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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:48,315 --> 00:01:50,875 Take the ball. Pass the ball. Take the ball. Pass the ball. 2 00:01:51,195 --> 00:01:55,736 Take the ball. Pass the ball. Take the ball. Pass the ball. 3 00:02:44,099 --> 00:02:46,059 And I don't care where you're from. 4 00:02:46,179 --> 00:02:47,739 I don't care. 5 00:02:47,859 --> 00:02:50,099 If you tell me that you love football, 6 00:02:51,380 --> 00:02:54,540 and you don't love Barcelona, you have a problem. 7 00:02:56,260 --> 00:02:58,300 If there's a game on TV, 8 00:02:59,459 --> 00:03:02,660 any team in the world, if Barcelona are playing, 9 00:03:02,780 --> 00:03:05,140 I'd pick watching Barcelona all day long. 10 00:03:06,660 --> 00:03:12,260 I'd say 2011 was the best brand of football I've seen. 11 00:03:14,660 --> 00:03:18,020 Barça re-established themselves 12 00:03:18,141 --> 00:03:21,142 as the most admired team in Europe. 13 00:03:22,101 --> 00:03:23,901 Not because we won ... 14 00:03:24,022 --> 00:03:27,422 but because of the style in which we won. 15 00:03:29,502 --> 00:03:32,462 There have been three special eras in football history. 16 00:03:33,782 --> 00:03:36,022 First, Cruyff's Ajax, 17 00:03:36,142 --> 00:03:41,023 Sacchi's AC Milan, a project that I continued. 18 00:03:41,144 --> 00:03:42,464 And then came Guardiola, 19 00:03:43,623 --> 00:03:47,943 and he created something beautiful. 20 00:03:48,745 --> 00:03:51,225 To play against Barcelona at that time, 21 00:03:51,345 --> 00:03:54,505 you just knew you had a bigger chance to lose than to win. 22 00:03:55,263 --> 00:03:58,704 That Barcelona was just, you know, eating everything on the table. 23 00:04:28,265 --> 00:04:31,345 It's one of the best ever performances in a Champions League final, 24 00:04:31,465 --> 00:04:34,665 and to do it against Manchester United was incredible. 25 00:04:35,946 --> 00:04:38,947 We really enjoyed ourselves that day. 26 00:04:39,065 --> 00:04:40,705 I mean, they were special. 27 00:04:40,826 --> 00:04:43,306 They were as good as I've came up against ... 28 00:04:43,426 --> 00:04:46,146 by quite some margin. 29 00:04:47,108 --> 00:04:49,708 And they were just too good. 30 00:04:50,627 --> 00:04:54,467 I remember Sir Alex saying that he'd never lost like that before, 31 00:04:54,587 --> 00:04:55,627 where he felt ... 32 00:04:57,429 --> 00:04:58,909 that he couldn't do anything. 33 00:04:59,027 --> 00:05:04,306 No one's given us a hiding like that, so it's a great moment for them. 34 00:05:04,426 --> 00:05:06,587 They deserve it because they play the right way. 35 00:05:06,707 --> 00:05:09,147 They stuck at it, they kept passing, they kept passing. 36 00:05:09,267 --> 00:05:12,227 They might have lost one or two, but they kept passing it. 37 00:05:12,347 --> 00:05:14,787 And all of a sudden, they make that extra pass, 38 00:05:14,906 --> 00:05:17,667 and the spaces are bigger, it's harder to close down, 39 00:05:17,789 --> 00:05:21,069 and you lose your little bit of shape, and that's when they take control. 40 00:05:21,189 --> 00:05:23,269 As a performance, it was ... 41 00:05:23,748 --> 00:05:25,469 It was as good as I've seen. 42 00:05:26,989 --> 00:05:30,149 What struck me about them really was the patience of the wide men, 43 00:05:30,271 --> 00:05:34,592 to stay so high and so wide and keep making them runs, 44 00:05:34,709 --> 00:05:36,909 and probably hardly ever getting the ball. 45 00:05:38,151 --> 00:05:40,231 They both got the goal, but just the patience ... 46 00:05:40,349 --> 00:05:44,390 to stay in that position and hold us, pin our fullbacks back, pin them back. 47 00:05:44,511 --> 00:05:47,471 And then obviously you've got Messi to drop back, 48 00:05:47,590 --> 00:05:49,150 making it four v three. 49 00:05:53,591 --> 00:05:57,471 Outnumbering the opponent was the basis of our whole strategy. 50 00:05:57,590 --> 00:06:02,110 Messi dropped into midfield to give us that numerical advantage. 51 00:06:02,230 --> 00:06:08,991 And he also scored goals, which gave us an advantage 52 00:06:09,111 --> 00:06:10,991 over every team we played. 53 00:06:11,112 --> 00:06:12,552 I'll show you how we did it. 54 00:06:12,671 --> 00:06:15,072 Here's the Manchester United defense. 55 00:06:15,192 --> 00:06:18,472 They never closed down the player in the hole. 56 00:06:18,873 --> 00:06:20,993 They had two defensive midfielders, 57 00:06:21,753 --> 00:06:25,594 a number ten, Rooney, who didn't defend very much, 58 00:06:25,712 --> 00:06:26,712 and a striker. 59 00:06:26,833 --> 00:06:29,993 For this goal, we were three against two. 60 00:06:30,592 --> 00:06:33,753 Iniesta plays the ball across the line to Messi, 61 00:06:34,395 --> 00:06:36,475 and Messi attacks the defense. 62 00:06:44,155 --> 00:06:46,995 We started really well but then they equalized, 63 00:06:47,115 --> 00:06:50,955 and that gave us a scare, which is normal in a final. 64 00:06:51,074 --> 00:06:55,354 But we managed to take control and when we went 3-1 up, 65 00:06:55,474 --> 00:07:01,275 we felt much more relaxed. 66 00:07:28,077 --> 00:07:30,238 Pep gave us a team talk in the Wembley dressing room. 67 00:07:30,757 --> 00:07:34,997 I remember the room was very dark, and he said, 68 00:07:36,198 --> 00:07:39,919 "I told you that if you got me this far, I'd win you the final, 69 00:07:40,039 --> 00:07:41,999 "and I'm going to make sure you win it." 70 00:07:47,758 --> 00:07:49,158 If Pep said to jump off the third tier of Camp Nou, I'd jump. 71 00:07:49,276 --> 00:07:50,757 There must be a good reason for it. 72 00:07:51,438 --> 00:07:53,438 And that's what I loved about him. 73 00:07:53,558 --> 00:07:58,598 He'd say things, and we'd realize ... 74 00:07:58,718 --> 00:08:01,799 that his words were never just words, 75 00:08:01,919 --> 00:08:06,279 and that convinces you that what you're doing ... 76 00:08:06,398 --> 00:08:07,998 is going to get results. 77 00:08:08,559 --> 00:08:11,960 It's unreal the way he used to tell us something, 78 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,680 "That's what we're going to do. Do it. It will work." 79 00:08:14,799 --> 00:08:17,519 And it will happen. 80 00:08:18,561 --> 00:08:21,081 It really will happen, just like that. 81 00:08:25,319 --> 00:08:26,599 That day was the crowning moment ... 82 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:33,281 of everything we'd achieved since 2008. 83 00:08:34,281 --> 00:08:37,802 It was the crowning moment of our reign, 84 00:08:37,921 --> 00:08:44,920 the reign of a team adored by its supporters, 85 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,401 and also by everyone who loves football. 86 00:08:56,121 --> 00:08:58,082 For Barça to win the Champions League ... 87 00:08:58,202 --> 00:09:00,122 in that style at Wembley, 88 00:09:00,242 --> 00:09:02,962 was the perfect end to a brutally draining season. 89 00:09:03,082 --> 00:09:05,802 The rivalry between them and Madrid had never been nastier. 90 00:09:06,002 --> 00:09:09,243 And the relationship between Mourinho and Guardiola was beyond tense. 91 00:09:09,363 --> 00:09:11,203 Getting out of hand, some would say. 92 00:09:11,322 --> 00:09:13,962 I think it escalated into something more than just football. 93 00:09:14,084 --> 00:09:18,885 I mean, I don't know whether there's any rivalry between them personally, 94 00:09:19,524 --> 00:09:20,764 but it looked that way. 95 00:09:20,883 --> 00:09:23,803 Let's not forget where this comes from. 96 00:09:23,923 --> 00:09:29,364 In 2010, Barcelona are on their way to the Champions League final. 97 00:09:30,445 --> 00:09:33,525 The Champions League final is at Real Madrid's stadium. 98 00:09:33,645 --> 00:09:38,045 I think we've all forgotten how much of a trauma this was in Madrid. 99 00:09:38,164 --> 00:09:39,844 They're terrified of this prospect. 100 00:09:40,325 --> 00:09:41,365 What happens? 101 00:09:41,484 --> 00:09:42,804 Mourinho happens. 102 00:09:51,965 --> 00:09:56,286 Mourinho beats Barcelona and celebrates it like mad. 103 00:09:56,406 --> 00:09:59,366 And he's just passed his audition for Real Madrid. 104 00:10:08,247 --> 00:10:10,007 It was difficult for Mourinho at Madrid ... 105 00:10:10,128 --> 00:10:14,169 because he probably arrives when Barcelona are at their best. 106 00:10:14,847 --> 00:10:17,167 And I doubt that any other manager ... 107 00:10:17,287 --> 00:10:19,847 would have found a solution for Madrid at the time. 108 00:10:19,967 --> 00:10:23,127 I think that he arrived to Madrid, to a really big club, 109 00:10:23,248 --> 00:10:27,329 but he got frustrated after the 5-0, 110 00:10:28,050 --> 00:10:31,290 because we beat them 5-0 at Camp Nou in his first year. 111 00:10:32,729 --> 00:10:34,329 In the 5-0, they didn't have a hope. 112 00:10:34,448 --> 00:10:39,568 That was the best game ... 113 00:10:39,688 --> 00:10:43,049 I played in at Barça. 114 00:11:07,770 --> 00:11:10,170 I think that he just had a reflection and said, 115 00:11:10,290 --> 00:11:14,371 "Listen, if we want to beat this team, we cannot beat them playing football. 116 00:11:14,492 --> 00:11:18,012 We have to beat them in trying to find another way." 117 00:11:18,572 --> 00:11:21,132 And they bring football outside of the pitch, 118 00:11:21,253 --> 00:11:25,773 like in every press conference, in every interview, 119 00:11:25,891 --> 00:11:28,011 trying to fight in every game. 120 00:11:28,132 --> 00:11:31,732 I have absolutely no doubt that Mourinho's role at Real Madrid 121 00:11:31,853 --> 00:11:34,733 was to "knock Barcelona off their fucking perch", 122 00:11:34,852 --> 00:11:36,012 to use Ferguson's words. 123 00:11:38,651 --> 00:11:40,612 Mourinho's not stupid. Mourinho's a great competitor. 124 00:11:41,574 --> 00:11:43,414 And you have to respect winners. 125 00:11:43,892 --> 00:11:46,892 But when winners start losing and feel powerless, 126 00:11:47,013 --> 00:11:48,373 you better watch out ... 127 00:11:48,492 --> 00:11:50,333 because it's bound to kick off. 128 00:11:53,173 --> 00:11:55,813 Playing four Clásicos in such a short period ... 129 00:11:55,933 --> 00:11:59,653 brought the tension to boiling point. 130 00:11:59,775 --> 00:12:04,255 It was tough because most of us were Spain teammates, 131 00:12:04,375 --> 00:12:10,256 and the tensions spilled out onto the pitch. 132 00:12:10,376 --> 00:12:13,816 I found it all very tough indeed. 133 00:12:28,216 --> 00:12:30,217 We all lost our heads a bit. 134 00:12:30,336 --> 00:12:33,256 The games should have been much more attractive, 135 00:12:33,376 --> 00:12:37,136 much better to watch, and without so much aggression, 136 00:12:37,255 --> 00:12:41,176 but when you're competing you get swept up in it, 137 00:12:41,296 --> 00:12:47,536 and the tension caused constant fighting on the pitch. 138 00:12:57,537 --> 00:13:00,737 The day I remember that they won the Cup in extra time, 139 00:13:00,859 --> 00:13:02,299 and Cristiano scored. 140 00:13:02,418 --> 00:13:05,138 We were a much better team than them, but they won, 141 00:13:05,259 --> 00:13:07,140 and for us, it was like, "Whoa !" 142 00:13:07,258 --> 00:13:13,018 They had that moment where they made us doubt ourselves 143 00:13:13,140 --> 00:13:15,460 because it was a really difficult moment. 144 00:13:38,220 --> 00:13:39,940 We thought we were the better team and created more, 145 00:13:40,060 --> 00:13:44,500 but because of a marginal offside call, 146 00:13:44,620 --> 00:13:46,501 we ended up losing the cup final. 147 00:13:46,622 --> 00:13:49,142 And when you lose, 148 00:13:49,262 --> 00:13:52,702 not only do you feel angry, but also doubts start to creep in. 149 00:13:52,820 --> 00:13:54,340 What we got on the pitch ... 150 00:13:54,461 --> 00:13:57,462 was a game where it really could have gone either way. 151 00:13:57,582 --> 00:13:59,702 There's a goal from Pedro ruled offside correctly, 152 00:13:59,822 --> 00:14:02,782 but, as Guardiola pointed out, very fine the margin, 153 00:14:02,901 --> 00:14:04,661 which gave Mourinho the chance to say 154 00:14:04,782 --> 00:14:06,983 Guardiola was complaining about right decisions. 155 00:14:07,103 --> 00:14:09,943 He wasn't. He was pointing out the margins were so fine ... 156 00:14:10,062 --> 00:14:11,782 that it could have gone the other way. 157 00:14:18,142 --> 00:14:19,502 After what Pep said the other day, 158 00:14:20,382 --> 00:14:22,422 we've entered into a new era. 159 00:14:22,543 --> 00:14:28,304 There's now a new group of managers with just one member, him, 160 00:14:28,822 --> 00:14:32,862 a group that criticizes a referee for getting decisions right. 161 00:14:33,744 --> 00:14:36,984 It's something nobody's ever seen or heard of before. 162 00:14:38,224 --> 00:14:39,664 Mourinho was so provocative ... 163 00:14:39,785 --> 00:14:44,826 that even people at Barça wanted a reaction from Guardiola ... 164 00:14:44,945 --> 00:14:49,185 because Mourinho was constantly trying to pick a fight with Guardiola ... 165 00:14:49,304 --> 00:14:50,784 and Barça in general. 166 00:14:52,346 --> 00:14:53,707 That day at lunch we listened ... 167 00:14:53,826 --> 00:14:56,986 to the Real Madrid manager, 168 00:14:57,107 --> 00:15:01,387 and I noticed something change in Pep. 169 00:15:03,706 --> 00:15:07,266 I had a feeling that Pep would do something uncharacteristic, 170 00:15:07,387 --> 00:15:10,826 and I think others felt it too, because after training ... 171 00:15:10,946 --> 00:15:13,747 the director of football came to the dressing room, 172 00:15:13,866 --> 00:15:16,026 which never happens. 173 00:15:16,146 --> 00:15:19,546 And I remember Zubizarreta said, "Keep calm, Pep." 174 00:15:19,666 --> 00:15:25,147 And Pep told him he'd stay calm and wouldn't react. 175 00:15:25,268 --> 00:15:26,868 But Pep was lying. 176 00:15:28,947 --> 00:15:32,788 I was in the press conference that day, and we're sitting in the press room, 177 00:15:33,948 --> 00:15:36,468 and there's this moment where everyone just goes, 178 00:15:37,228 --> 00:15:38,828 "Did he really say that? 179 00:15:40,146 --> 00:15:41,347 Bloody hell !" 180 00:15:44,548 --> 00:15:45,548 Yes? Yes. 181 00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:48,430 Pep Guardiola, good evening everyone. 182 00:15:48,549 --> 00:15:52,230 Mr. Mourinho addressed me by first name, so I'll do the same. 183 00:15:52,349 --> 00:15:54,349 He called me Pep, so I'll call him José. 184 00:15:54,469 --> 00:15:56,869 I don't know which camera belongs to Mr. José, 185 00:15:56,990 --> 00:15:59,230 probably all of them. 186 00:16:00,348 --> 00:16:03,349 Tomorrow at 20.45, our teams go head-to-head on the pitch, 187 00:16:03,471 --> 00:16:05,670 but off the pitch, he's already won. 188 00:16:05,791 --> 00:16:10,672 He's won all year long and he probably always will. 189 00:16:10,789 --> 00:16:13,829 I award him a Champions League trophy for victories in the press room. 190 00:16:13,951 --> 00:16:16,911 In this room, he's the fucking boss, the fucking chief. 191 00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:21,111 He knows it all and I don't even want to try and compete with him. 192 00:16:21,232 --> 00:16:24,512 I only want to remind him we worked together for four years. 193 00:16:26,631 --> 00:16:30,112 We were in the team hotel watching that press conference. 194 00:16:30,231 --> 00:16:35,471 He gave us one more incentive to go out and give 100%. 195 00:16:37,152 --> 00:16:38,792 When Guardiola returned, we all started applauding him, 196 00:16:38,913 --> 00:16:43,473 and he just said, "That's enough. Time to focus on the match." 197 00:16:43,591 --> 00:16:44,831 It really surprised us ... 198 00:16:44,952 --> 00:16:47,712 because nothing like that had ever happened, but ... 199 00:16:47,832 --> 00:16:49,593 a line had been crossed. 200 00:16:49,714 --> 00:16:53,594 It was precisely the boost we needed at that moment. 201 00:16:56,392 --> 00:17:01,192 Clásicos are already extremely tense, but this one was worse. 202 00:17:01,312 --> 00:17:04,272 Doubts and fears were creeping into my mind. 203 00:17:06,874 --> 00:17:13,075 I'd known for over a month that I needed surgery ... 204 00:17:13,193 --> 00:17:14,633 but we hadn't told anyone. 205 00:17:14,754 --> 00:17:18,635 It's impossible to keep secrets in a dressing room. 206 00:17:18,755 --> 00:17:20,715 Everything always gets leaked. 207 00:17:20,834 --> 00:17:23,674 So I only told a couple of my teammates the truth. 208 00:17:26,874 --> 00:17:28,915 When you go to a match feeling confident, 209 00:17:29,796 --> 00:17:31,156 everything is much easier, 210 00:17:31,275 --> 00:17:35,955 but I had a voice in my head telling me to be careful, 211 00:17:36,075 --> 00:17:38,556 and that my knee could collapse at any moment. 212 00:17:38,676 --> 00:17:41,356 I had a big bit of cartilage floating about inside. 213 00:17:41,476 --> 00:17:44,196 I could have easily collapsed 214 00:17:44,316 --> 00:17:46,517 when one of their players was running at me. 215 00:17:46,636 --> 00:17:48,796 I was very nervous. 216 00:17:57,717 --> 00:18:01,597 This was the moment we'd either go down in history 217 00:18:02,798 --> 00:18:07,959 or be remembered as a good side but not one of the greats. 218 00:18:08,078 --> 00:18:11,118 That's what was at stake in the semi-finals against Madrid. 219 00:18:11,238 --> 00:18:13,758 Even though you know that you are a better team, 220 00:18:14,197 --> 00:18:17,638 you always have that doubt, and I remember Pep said to us, 221 00:18:17,757 --> 00:18:19,397 "We are a much better team. 222 00:18:19,518 --> 00:18:21,918 I will bring you to the final of the Champions League." 223 00:18:22,038 --> 00:18:23,118 And it was like this. 224 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,041 They were very well-organized, 225 00:18:46,162 --> 00:18:51,201 so it wasn't easy to create goal-scoring chances. 226 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,401 And then Leo picked up the ball in midfield, 227 00:18:54,521 --> 00:18:56,721 and started that slalom run. 228 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:02,360 It's just natural ability. That's why he's the best in the world. 229 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,601 Only Messi can do that. 230 00:19:04,722 --> 00:19:06,562 That goal is just incredible. 231 00:19:07,042 --> 00:19:11,242 Busi gives him the ball and he skips past three or four, 232 00:19:11,362 --> 00:19:13,563 and then he scores with his right foot. 233 00:19:18,161 --> 00:19:19,961 It's one of the best goals in football history. 234 00:19:21,441 --> 00:19:24,562 My assist practically put the goal on a plate for him. 235 00:19:25,483 --> 00:19:27,283 No. The truth is ... 236 00:19:27,403 --> 00:19:32,364 we all know that the more Leo is on the ball ... 237 00:19:32,484 --> 00:19:34,964 the better it is for all of us. 238 00:19:35,803 --> 00:19:38,523 You have a Madrid team that's extremely defensive, 239 00:19:38,643 --> 00:19:40,323 with Pepe in the middle of midfield. 240 00:19:40,444 --> 00:19:43,725 A Madrid team that is very aggressive, that is playing for nil-nil. 241 00:19:43,844 --> 00:19:45,484 Mourinho's argument has always been ... 242 00:19:45,604 --> 00:19:48,963 that until Pepe is sent off, Madrid were succeeding in that. 243 00:19:49,083 --> 00:19:52,604 We will never know if Messi would have scored his two goals ... 244 00:19:52,725 --> 00:19:54,765 without that sending off. 245 00:19:56,084 --> 00:19:58,244 At that moment, the red card made absolutely no difference. 246 00:19:58,364 --> 00:19:59,724 Messi's unstoppable. 247 00:19:59,845 --> 00:20:03,526 It's natural talent that's only given to the chosen ones. 248 00:20:03,644 --> 00:20:07,644 Maybe in 20 or 30 years, there'll be another one, 249 00:20:07,765 --> 00:20:09,685 but right now it's Messi. 250 00:20:09,806 --> 00:20:14,127 I was in the room exactly a year later when Pierluigi Collina, 251 00:20:14,245 --> 00:20:16,685 in his refereeing tutorial to the Spain squad, 252 00:20:16,805 --> 00:20:18,925 uses that Pepe incident 253 00:20:19,046 --> 00:20:23,007 to show them how the laws of the game would be interpreted during Euro 2012. 254 00:20:23,127 --> 00:20:25,367 And the instant it comes up on the screen, 255 00:20:25,487 --> 00:20:28,287 the Spain squad is split right down the middle again ... 256 00:20:28,407 --> 00:20:32,928 with Madrid players and Barça players drowning him out, shouting at each other ... 257 00:20:33,048 --> 00:20:36,288 about whether it is or isn't a red card offence. 258 00:20:40,127 --> 00:20:43,286 I told Collina, "Show something else ! That's not a good example to show us !" 259 00:20:45,126 --> 00:20:48,206 Yeah. Some of them still said it wasn't a red card. 260 00:20:48,327 --> 00:20:50,288 And that Pepe didn't touch him. 261 00:20:51,048 --> 00:20:52,128 Incredible ! 262 00:20:52,247 --> 00:20:54,127 I'm telling you it was a red card. 263 00:20:54,848 --> 00:20:56,488 They can say what they want. 264 00:20:56,608 --> 00:20:59,769 Fans want to see their team play well. 265 00:20:59,888 --> 00:21:02,608 They don't want a team that constantly fouls ... 266 00:21:02,728 --> 00:21:06,608 or defending with everyone behind the ball. 267 00:21:07,128 --> 00:21:10,409 But in the end, football always wins. 268 00:21:12,729 --> 00:21:14,969 After the second leg at the Camp Nou, 269 00:21:15,089 --> 00:21:18,690 we stayed on the pitch celebrating for ten or 15 minutes, 270 00:21:19,251 --> 00:21:21,531 and we still had to play the Champions League final. 271 00:21:21,651 --> 00:21:26,971 But with all due respect to Manchester United, 272 00:21:27,090 --> 00:21:31,491 our biggest test that year was beating Madrid in the semi-final. 273 00:21:36,050 --> 00:21:39,170 So they've beaten Real Madrid in the semi-finals. 274 00:21:39,292 --> 00:21:43,172 They then dismantle Manchester United in the Champions League final. 275 00:21:43,290 --> 00:21:46,010 And the instant outpouring of superlatives 276 00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:49,451 from all-time greats of the game all around the world, 277 00:21:50,452 --> 00:21:52,652 I think, objectively marks this 278 00:21:52,771 --> 00:21:56,652 as the high point of European club football. Ever. 279 00:21:57,573 --> 00:22:01,453 But the fact that Éric Abidal plays and wins, 280 00:22:01,571 --> 00:22:04,611 having already just beaten cancer 281 00:22:04,733 --> 00:22:09,134 turns this from a great sporting story into a great human drama. 282 00:22:10,693 --> 00:22:12,493 That day wasn't about lifting the Champions League trophy, 283 00:22:12,613 --> 00:22:15,293 we should have been lifting Abi. 284 00:22:16,094 --> 00:22:19,094 That was the real triumph. 285 00:22:19,934 --> 00:22:23,614 He was one of the great characters in the dressing room ... 286 00:22:23,733 --> 00:22:26,094 and everybody loved him. 287 00:22:26,215 --> 00:22:27,735 Abidal ! 288 00:22:32,013 --> 00:22:35,934 I remember two or three days after we heard about the cancer, 289 00:22:36,055 --> 00:22:39,055 Abi came to see us. 290 00:22:39,174 --> 00:22:41,654 And he was the one who cheered us up. 291 00:22:41,774 --> 00:22:46,375 One of my teammates died when I was at Sevilla, 292 00:22:46,495 --> 00:22:52,135 and I thought, "I can't let this happen again. 293 00:22:53,136 --> 00:22:54,857 Not another one, please." 294 00:22:54,978 --> 00:22:58,818 The first time I wasn't able to help, but this time, I could. 295 00:22:58,936 --> 00:23:03,496 And if there was a chance to save his life, 296 00:23:04,097 --> 00:23:06,417 my career was the last thing on my mind. 297 00:23:07,938 --> 00:23:12,378 Dani came to see me and said, "Look Abi, we have the same blood type. 298 00:23:13,457 --> 00:23:15,218 I'm going to give you part of my liver." 299 00:23:15,338 --> 00:23:22,298 Everyone saw Dani in a different light after that. 300 00:23:23,739 --> 00:23:25,219 It was a private matter, which only came out ... 301 00:23:25,337 --> 00:23:26,737 because Abi told people. 302 00:23:26,857 --> 00:23:29,537 But I'd never have forgiven myself if he'd died ... 303 00:23:29,657 --> 00:23:31,577 and I'd done nothing to help. 304 00:23:31,697 --> 00:23:33,538 I couldn't let that happen. 305 00:23:33,659 --> 00:23:39,219 In the end, they found another solution, but I don't regret making the offer. 306 00:23:41,778 --> 00:23:43,139 Days after his operation, 307 00:23:44,819 --> 00:23:48,779 he was back in the dressing room and working out in the gym. 308 00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:53,381 He wanted to be back with the group as soon as possible. 309 00:23:53,501 --> 00:23:57,141 We had no doubt he'd make a full recovery. 310 00:23:58,379 --> 00:24:00,579 Did you think you had a good chance of playing at Wembley? 311 00:24:01,941 --> 00:24:06,021 No. I didn't even think I had a ten percent chance. 312 00:24:07,461 --> 00:24:11,782 We needed to play the strongest side possible, 313 00:24:12,861 --> 00:24:15,301 and the strongest team had to include Puyol. 314 00:24:15,941 --> 00:24:17,581 I wanted to play. 315 00:24:17,701 --> 00:24:21,142 I always wanted to play, but I was in a worse state than Abidal. 316 00:24:21,261 --> 00:24:24,140 And the most important thing was winning. 317 00:24:24,902 --> 00:24:27,502 The boss did something he'd never done before, 318 00:24:27,621 --> 00:24:31,622 He announced the starting line-up in the dressing room at Wembley ... 319 00:24:32,862 --> 00:24:36,382 just an hour before the game in the Champions League Final. 320 00:24:38,861 --> 00:24:40,462 I was shitting myself, 321 00:24:40,583 --> 00:24:42,983 thinking, "Bloody hell ! What's going on?" 322 00:24:43,103 --> 00:24:44,983 I wasn't fully match fit, 323 00:24:46,502 --> 00:24:51,463 but there was a fire inside me, which gave me that extra drive. 324 00:24:51,583 --> 00:24:54,783 And when you're on the pitch, you're just thinking, "Let's do this." 325 00:25:00,385 --> 00:25:04,665 The Abidal situation was a huge emotional boost for all of us. 326 00:25:06,144 --> 00:25:10,305 And he found strength he didn't know he had ... 327 00:25:10,426 --> 00:25:13,466 to play the way he did, with the same composure as always. 328 00:25:14,104 --> 00:25:15,784 Abidal was an example to everyone. 329 00:25:18,865 --> 00:25:20,345 He showed such strength and determination ... 330 00:25:20,465 --> 00:25:22,585 and a will to overcome the cancer. 331 00:25:22,705 --> 00:25:25,225 And I decided that if we won that night, 332 00:25:25,346 --> 00:25:29,387 Abidal should be the first to lift the cup. 333 00:25:29,505 --> 00:25:31,665 It really is an incredible moment. 334 00:25:31,785 --> 00:25:34,345 I've been lucky enough to lift it twice, 335 00:25:34,465 --> 00:25:37,065 and it's a difficult feeling to describe. 336 00:25:38,348 --> 00:25:39,628 It was Puyi's decision. 337 00:25:39,746 --> 00:25:43,906 He'd had the disappointment of not starting the game, 338 00:25:44,027 --> 00:25:48,348 and he maybe didn't feel like a key member of the team, 339 00:25:48,467 --> 00:25:53,387 but despite that, he decided Abidal should lift the cup. 340 00:25:54,667 --> 00:25:57,668 He said to me, "It's got to be Abidal." 341 00:25:58,309 --> 00:26:02,789 And I said, "Bloody hell, you're right. Abi should lift it." 342 00:26:02,907 --> 00:26:05,067 Without any doubt, that moment was ... 343 00:26:06,068 --> 00:26:08,189 the absolute highlight for us all. 344 00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:11,110 To watch Abidal lift the trophy was very special. 345 00:26:16,709 --> 00:26:18,309 I was with Víctor Valdés, close to Abidal. 346 00:26:18,430 --> 00:26:22,390 Watching Abidal lift the trophy after the illness he'd been through, 347 00:26:22,509 --> 00:26:24,189 it still gives me goosebumps. 348 00:26:43,469 --> 00:26:45,029 I think it was the moment ... 349 00:26:51,270 --> 00:26:53,550 that showed the strength of our group. 350 00:26:54,831 --> 00:26:57,112 We were much more than just teammates. 351 00:26:57,232 --> 00:27:00,872 They say that Barça is more than a club. 352 00:27:00,991 --> 00:27:03,631 At that moment, it was more than a club. 353 00:27:13,951 --> 00:27:16,352 I think that the story of this club, 354 00:27:16,472 --> 00:27:21,272 obviously, you cannot understand if you don't know the figure of Cruyff. 355 00:27:21,392 --> 00:27:25,193 Firstly as a player, he was one of the best players in history. 356 00:27:25,314 --> 00:27:26,594 I didn't watch him play, 357 00:27:26,713 --> 00:27:30,073 but my dad always said incredible things about him. 358 00:27:30,193 --> 00:27:32,353 He always says, "Messi and then Cruyff." 359 00:27:33,594 --> 00:27:35,394 When we were kids of ten or 11, Cruyff signed for Barça 360 00:27:35,475 --> 00:27:40,395 and we copied his hairstyle, the way he ran and played football. 361 00:27:40,514 --> 00:27:42,834 He inspired a revolution in 1973/74. 362 00:28:06,915 --> 00:28:11,995 He comes here with the advantage of having a good reputation as a player. 363 00:28:12,116 --> 00:28:16,076 He has a philosophy which is contrary to many. 364 00:28:16,196 --> 00:28:17,956 He would prefer to fail with his ideas ... 365 00:28:18,077 --> 00:28:20,557 than to succeed with the ideas of someone else. 366 00:28:20,677 --> 00:28:23,998 Players go for these kind of things, for this kind of charisma. 367 00:28:26,517 --> 00:28:31,438 I played with him here for five years and when we took over the team, 368 00:28:31,557 --> 00:28:35,917 we wanted to play a different brand of football. 369 00:28:36,038 --> 00:28:41,159 And it caused shock waves around the world. 370 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:44,079 Everyone played with a 4-4-2 formation, 371 00:28:44,199 --> 00:28:50,079 and we played with three defenders, four midfielders and three in attack. 372 00:28:51,639 --> 00:28:53,559 People would say, "They've only got three defenders !" 373 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,440 It was a 3-4-3. 374 00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:58,638 They'd say, "It's madness. We'll concede loads of goals !" 375 00:28:58,758 --> 00:29:01,599 But Johan preferred winning 6-5 to winning 1-0. 376 00:29:01,719 --> 00:29:05,639 I was really lucky because I was six, seven, eight years old. 377 00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:08,919 I watched the first Copa de Europa, European Championships. 378 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:10,320 We were a really good team, 379 00:29:10,439 --> 00:29:14,039 always playing really well, but we'd never won nothing important. 380 00:29:14,161 --> 00:29:16,921 But when he arrived, he changed this mentality, 381 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,961 and we started to win important things and important titles. 382 00:29:46,561 --> 00:29:50,602 Cruyff is the most influential person in the entire history of FC Barcelona. 383 00:29:51,003 --> 00:29:54,762 Our style of play is the most important thing. 384 00:29:54,882 --> 00:29:56,482 Then come the players. 385 00:29:56,601 --> 00:29:59,842 But what really draws you in and what sets the club apart ... 386 00:29:59,964 --> 00:30:02,884 is that Barça play a unique brand of football. 387 00:30:04,522 --> 00:30:07,082 It all started a very long time ago during Cruyff's spell at the club. 388 00:30:07,204 --> 00:30:12,005 Since then we've always played the same way, 389 00:30:12,122 --> 00:30:16,762 holding onto possession, 390 00:30:17,725 --> 00:30:21,565 and passing in triangles, 391 00:30:21,684 --> 00:30:23,924 pressing the moment we lose the ball, 392 00:30:24,044 --> 00:30:29,325 staying close together so we can recover possession and then keep it. 393 00:30:30,805 --> 00:30:31,845 Over time you realize, 394 00:30:31,964 --> 00:30:35,244 that it's because of Cruyff's influence that by the age of 21, 395 00:30:35,366 --> 00:30:39,007 it felt normal to come off my line and play further up the pitch, 396 00:30:39,125 --> 00:30:41,125 outside the penalty area. 397 00:30:41,246 --> 00:30:46,727 You come to realize that all of us, me, Xavi, Iniesta ... 398 00:30:46,847 --> 00:30:51,606 We've all grown up adopting Johan's philosophy. 399 00:30:51,726 --> 00:30:55,446 You know, it's an immense honor, or pride, 400 00:30:55,567 --> 00:30:57,208 to see that this is still going this way 401 00:30:57,326 --> 00:30:59,766 and my father is mentioned like the architect. 402 00:31:05,608 --> 00:31:11,288 I think it's a process that began in the 1970s with Laureano Ruiz. 403 00:31:11,408 --> 00:31:13,848 I experienced that here as a player. 404 00:31:14,447 --> 00:31:17,048 I was then a coach here when the second big change took place ... 405 00:31:17,168 --> 00:31:19,048 when Johan Cruyff arrived as manager. 406 00:31:19,168 --> 00:31:20,568 He changed our mentality. 407 00:31:20,687 --> 00:31:26,288 He turned us into winners and taught us to be confident, 408 00:31:26,409 --> 00:31:30,089 to want the ball and be creative, and to enjoy ourselves. 409 00:31:30,209 --> 00:31:32,889 And our third big change was with Pep, 410 00:31:33,008 --> 00:31:34,929 who took it to another level. 411 00:31:37,290 --> 00:31:40,330 Cruyff's arrival was key because he imposed his ideas. 412 00:31:40,450 --> 00:31:46,210 His advantage was that the players ... 413 00:31:46,330 --> 00:31:49,330 already understood this style because they'd worked under me. 414 00:31:49,450 --> 00:31:53,731 I invented the Rondo. 415 00:31:53,849 --> 00:31:56,449 The ideal Rondo is four against two. 416 00:31:57,051 --> 00:32:00,971 You need to move constantly to find space. 417 00:32:01,089 --> 00:32:03,049 The player with the ball ... 418 00:32:03,171 --> 00:32:05,811 must have the option of a pass to his right, 419 00:32:05,931 --> 00:32:09,411 another to this left, and another through the middle, 420 00:32:09,531 --> 00:32:11,571 which I call the pass down the street. 421 00:32:11,692 --> 00:32:13,333 So in a match that becomes ... 422 00:32:13,451 --> 00:32:18,451 a sideways pass to feet or a through ball. 423 00:32:18,971 --> 00:32:21,971 So it's a very important tactical exercise. 424 00:32:22,372 --> 00:32:25,613 Barcelona always train in tight spaces. 425 00:32:25,733 --> 00:32:30,333 If the ball doesn't stay by your foot, it's gone, in training. 426 00:32:30,453 --> 00:32:33,734 That's why, after, when you drop those guys on the big field, 427 00:32:34,293 --> 00:32:36,493 they play as if they were in tight places. 428 00:32:37,893 --> 00:32:41,612 If you pass, the player marking you doesn't have time to catch you. 429 00:32:42,214 --> 00:32:45,214 When he gets to you, it's always too late. 430 00:32:45,333 --> 00:32:50,293 That's how you take control. 431 00:32:57,213 --> 00:32:59,293 The ball is fired at you from every direction. 432 00:32:59,853 --> 00:33:03,934 And the light shows you where to pass the ball. 433 00:33:04,054 --> 00:33:08,374 So if the light comes on over there, I have to be in the right position. 434 00:33:08,495 --> 00:33:12,176 Left foot control, right foot pass. As few touches as possible. 435 00:33:12,294 --> 00:33:13,614 It's the role of a midfielder. 436 00:33:25,897 --> 00:33:28,177 You're being marked and pressed. 437 00:33:28,297 --> 00:33:30,498 You have to get your head up and find the solution. 438 00:33:31,017 --> 00:33:33,377 I learned all of that from the age of 11 or 12 ... 439 00:33:33,817 --> 00:33:40,057 because I had fantastic coaches at Barça like Joan Vilà and Albert Benaiges. 440 00:33:41,177 --> 00:33:43,137 My son plays for the youth team, 441 00:33:43,258 --> 00:33:46,258 and you get to realize as a parent, as well, 442 00:33:46,378 --> 00:33:47,938 what the club teaches. 443 00:33:48,056 --> 00:33:52,137 It's not only about how they play and how successful that you can be. 444 00:33:52,257 --> 00:33:55,617 It's how you conduct yourself, how to be a Barça player, 445 00:33:55,737 --> 00:34:00,258 how to live like a Barça player, how to respect what it means. 446 00:34:02,298 --> 00:34:05,738 Having well brought up, polite kids, with good values ... 447 00:34:05,858 --> 00:34:07,818 makes everything much easier. 448 00:34:07,937 --> 00:34:11,338 Just look at the squad we've got at the moment. 449 00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:13,260 They're all exceptional people. 450 00:34:15,099 --> 00:34:20,020 We were lucky to have a generation of players who came from La Masia, 451 00:34:20,140 --> 00:34:26,140 like Xavi, Iniesta, Piqué, Puyol, Valdés, Pedro, Leo, Busquets. 452 00:34:26,259 --> 00:34:28,860 They all achieved huge success in the first team. 453 00:34:30,020 --> 00:34:35,500 Tell me a team, apart maybe from Ajax, that dominated world football ... 454 00:34:35,619 --> 00:34:40,580 having that amount of youngsters from the academy in their team. 455 00:34:40,701 --> 00:34:43,741 There's a reason why youth players at Barcelona ... 456 00:34:43,859 --> 00:34:46,940 are the ones who best adjust to the first team at Barcelona. 457 00:34:47,062 --> 00:34:48,382 It's not a coincidence. 458 00:34:48,501 --> 00:34:51,341 It's not because they work with special machines ... 459 00:34:51,461 --> 00:34:52,861 that no other club has. 460 00:34:52,981 --> 00:34:55,381 It has to do with the way they're brought up, 461 00:34:55,501 --> 00:34:57,342 the values, their football values. 462 00:34:57,463 --> 00:35:01,023 What is the real essence of our football? 463 00:35:01,142 --> 00:35:03,062 Is it the result or is it how we play? 464 00:35:03,182 --> 00:35:04,342 It's how we play. 465 00:35:04,461 --> 00:35:07,422 And then, if you do that good, the results will come. 466 00:35:07,544 --> 00:35:09,144 We came here to play football. 467 00:35:09,263 --> 00:35:14,383 People realized that we were different and that we had talent. 468 00:35:14,502 --> 00:35:17,903 We were given the chance to develop from junior level ... 469 00:35:18,025 --> 00:35:19,665 through to the first team. 470 00:35:19,784 --> 00:35:22,744 It's a different way of understanding football, 471 00:35:22,864 --> 00:35:27,544 which gives you a better chance of success. 472 00:35:28,583 --> 00:35:30,623 When I joined Barcelona, 473 00:35:30,744 --> 00:35:31,824 the media asked me ... 474 00:35:31,943 --> 00:35:34,583 which player had surprised me most, 475 00:35:34,703 --> 00:35:37,224 and I said, Andrés Iniesta, 476 00:35:37,344 --> 00:35:39,464 which surprised them ... 477 00:35:39,943 --> 00:35:44,784 because they all wanted me to say Messi or Ronaldinho. 478 00:35:44,905 --> 00:35:50,985 But the player who makes difficult things look easy is Andrés. 479 00:35:51,105 --> 00:35:53,585 I'd want Andrés and Xavi ... 480 00:35:55,305 --> 00:36:00,025 in my team until the day they retire. 481 00:36:02,865 --> 00:36:05,986 Barça's style of football is different to any team in the world. 482 00:36:06,107 --> 00:36:11,907 At Barça, there is a very specific way you have to play. 483 00:36:12,027 --> 00:36:16,268 You can't just boot the ball clear. 484 00:36:16,388 --> 00:36:22,747 Defenders have to control the ball, dribble and make the right pass. 485 00:36:22,866 --> 00:36:24,027 It's not easy. 486 00:36:24,147 --> 00:36:27,387 In the Premier League or at Real Madrid, you clear the ball. 487 00:36:27,507 --> 00:36:30,027 And that isn't a problem at most other clubs. 488 00:36:30,147 --> 00:36:33,788 But at Barça that's not enough. You have to do a lot more. 489 00:36:36,149 --> 00:36:37,749 It's a unique philosophy. 490 00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:44,830 And that's why it's so difficult for new players ... 491 00:36:44,949 --> 00:36:47,269 to adapt to our style of play. 492 00:36:47,389 --> 00:36:52,670 It might look easy but it's something we've been practicing for years. 493 00:36:52,789 --> 00:36:58,349 Most of us have been playing this way since we were kids. 494 00:36:58,469 --> 00:37:01,870 Playing for Barça isn't easy. 495 00:37:01,991 --> 00:37:04,511 You see all these players that are here for a long time. 496 00:37:04,591 --> 00:37:08,191 They come through the youth system and walk into the first team, 497 00:37:08,309 --> 00:37:10,949 and it's as if they've been there for many, many years. 498 00:37:11,070 --> 00:37:12,311 Coming here wasn't so easy 499 00:37:12,432 --> 00:37:15,152 because there are certain elements of the game ... 500 00:37:15,272 --> 00:37:17,551 that you haven't been taught. 501 00:37:18,110 --> 00:37:20,030 You see players ... 502 00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:24,511 I could tell you a few names but I'm not allowed. 503 00:37:24,632 --> 00:37:28,752 But world-class, spectacular footballers, 504 00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:30,711 who were completely lost. 505 00:37:30,832 --> 00:37:32,312 They ended up in hysterics. 506 00:37:32,433 --> 00:37:35,353 It was more the style of play that I had to adapt to. 507 00:37:35,472 --> 00:37:41,313 Staying on the line to make sure that you can free Andrés, 508 00:37:41,432 --> 00:37:42,792 make the run in behind, 509 00:37:42,913 --> 00:37:46,113 knowing that nine times or eight times out of ten, 510 00:37:46,232 --> 00:37:47,632 you will not get that ball. 511 00:37:47,753 --> 00:37:50,794 But if you don't make the run, Andrés doesn't get the ball. 512 00:37:56,633 --> 00:38:00,994 My first move when Abidal had the ball and he's about to control it, 513 00:38:01,115 --> 00:38:02,955 I always have to ask for the ball in behind. 514 00:38:04,073 --> 00:38:06,313 Every single time. It's a dummy run. 515 00:38:08,075 --> 00:38:13,555 Now Andrés gets the ball, Sam now makes a run for Andrés, 516 00:38:13,674 --> 00:38:15,434 so Andrés can play him there, 517 00:38:15,554 --> 00:38:19,035 Andrés can play me as I come back from an offside position, 518 00:38:19,435 --> 00:38:23,235 Or, if not, third choice, Andrés skills you by his dribble. 519 00:38:23,355 --> 00:38:25,635 You have a guy dropping, a guy running 520 00:38:25,755 --> 00:38:27,915 and a guy with the ball running at you, so, 521 00:38:28,036 --> 00:38:30,237 by the time you stop to realize what's happening, 522 00:38:30,354 --> 00:38:31,834 you're already in trouble. 523 00:38:36,396 --> 00:38:39,917 Some guys managed to get it in the end like Thierry Henry and Abidal, 524 00:38:40,035 --> 00:38:41,555 who both struggled at the start. 525 00:38:41,676 --> 00:38:45,996 But some other really talented players just didn't make it. 526 00:38:47,276 --> 00:38:48,757 I missed my chance. 527 00:38:48,877 --> 00:38:54,117 I was full of this fire, of this desire to, you know, to play 528 00:38:54,237 --> 00:38:55,957 and sometimes it was like ... 529 00:38:56,078 --> 00:39:00,559 I mean, I just wanted to immediately show what I can. 530 00:39:00,677 --> 00:39:03,677 And sometimes it was against me. 531 00:39:05,999 --> 00:39:07,879 Barça is a hard team to play for, particularly at center-back. 532 00:39:07,997 --> 00:39:11,797 If you make a couple of early mistakes, the fans get on your back, 533 00:39:11,918 --> 00:39:15,038 and the pressure really builds. 534 00:39:15,437 --> 00:39:21,198 But Chygrynskiy's qualities were perfect for Barça. 535 00:39:22,878 --> 00:39:28,319 To turn the crowd around is not easy, especially at Barcelona. 536 00:39:28,439 --> 00:39:33,679 I think it was Xavi who said, "This is a very special place. 537 00:39:33,798 --> 00:39:36,119 I've played here for many years, 538 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,079 but believe me, if I play one or two games not good, 539 00:39:39,721 --> 00:39:42,601 these people can destroy me." 540 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:48,321 I got it as a joke but then I felt that it ... 541 00:39:48,441 --> 00:39:51,761 That it was not. 542 00:39:54,881 --> 00:39:56,722 Despite being a home-grown player, I've suffered things 543 00:39:56,843 --> 00:39:57,963 that crossed the line. 544 00:39:58,082 --> 00:40:00,922 In 2003, I was the "Cancer of Barça." 545 00:40:01,041 --> 00:40:04,440 In 2014, I was "old and good for nothing." 546 00:40:05,082 --> 00:40:06,362 It's a roller coaster. 547 00:40:06,481 --> 00:40:10,841 Barça is the most difficult club in the world. 548 00:40:10,961 --> 00:40:12,001 No doubt about it. 549 00:40:12,122 --> 00:40:16,443 Imagine for a new signing. It must be twice as difficult. 550 00:40:16,562 --> 00:40:19,162 I felt this difference, that I needed to learn 551 00:40:19,281 --> 00:40:21,361 this language of football, 552 00:40:22,523 --> 00:40:24,684 how to create space, how to defend, 553 00:40:24,804 --> 00:40:28,924 and all the things that the players were already playing. 554 00:40:32,322 --> 00:40:34,203 We played a game against Osasuna ... 555 00:40:34,324 --> 00:40:39,204 and Osasuna were not defending well that area. 556 00:40:39,323 --> 00:40:41,563 The guy there was not tucking in well. 557 00:40:42,645 --> 00:40:46,686 So that day Chygrynskiy played because he had a great left foot. 558 00:40:46,804 --> 00:40:49,164 He could ping the ball well with his left and right foot. 559 00:40:49,284 --> 00:40:50,524 But an amazing left foot. 560 00:40:50,645 --> 00:40:53,926 We were going to always play in the center back ... 561 00:40:54,046 --> 00:40:57,125 that was going to play across for Xavi. 562 00:40:57,244 --> 00:41:00,044 Whenever we were moving, Xavi stayed in that zone. 563 00:41:00,965 --> 00:41:02,526 So that was the exit. 564 00:41:02,645 --> 00:41:04,205 But what was funny that day 565 00:41:04,325 --> 00:41:08,965 is that Chygrynskiy twice played the ball long for Zlatan. 566 00:41:09,085 --> 00:41:10,085 And it was on. 567 00:41:10,204 --> 00:41:12,525 Zlatan nearly went one v one with the keeper. 568 00:41:15,085 --> 00:41:17,045 Pep took him off at half-time ... 569 00:41:19,526 --> 00:41:21,847 because he didn't respect the pattern. 570 00:41:21,967 --> 00:41:27,047 That's the way he studied that team and that's the way he asked us to play. 571 00:41:27,167 --> 00:41:31,648 The vocabulary of Guardiola or my father is building up from behind, 572 00:41:31,767 --> 00:41:32,767 possession, 573 00:41:33,728 --> 00:41:37,248 the speed of the ball is more important than the speed of the legs, 574 00:41:37,847 --> 00:41:41,488 always play attractive football to keep your fans happy. 575 00:41:41,808 --> 00:41:44,048 I mean, there are so many similarities. 576 00:41:44,169 --> 00:41:45,929 When you play for Barcelona 577 00:41:46,047 --> 00:41:47,687 and especially after Guardiola came, 578 00:41:47,808 --> 00:41:52,008 that's where you really learn how to play the Barcelona way. 579 00:41:52,128 --> 00:41:56,928 It's 11, not just the strikers or not just the midfielders. 580 00:41:57,049 --> 00:42:00,850 The 11 players have to participate to create the chance. 581 00:42:00,968 --> 00:42:06,008 Basically, what we want to do is try to put the ball to the strikers ... 582 00:42:06,128 --> 00:42:09,288 with a really good pass, so that they can have one on one. 583 00:42:09,409 --> 00:42:12,610 But obviously if you pass them a long ball ... 584 00:42:12,730 --> 00:42:16,090 that's not really easy to control, 585 00:42:16,209 --> 00:42:18,929 the striker will not do his job. 586 00:42:19,048 --> 00:42:22,969 It's all about starting from the back, to the strikers. 587 00:42:25,811 --> 00:42:27,811 Pep took risks all over the pitch. 588 00:42:27,930 --> 00:42:33,371 I think he made two great innovations as our coach, 589 00:42:33,931 --> 00:42:36,211 One was pressing after losing the ball 590 00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:39,851 and the other was playing out from the back. 591 00:42:45,092 --> 00:42:47,171 I remember my first conversation with Guardiola as coach. 592 00:42:47,292 --> 00:42:49,853 It was in his office at the Camp Nou. 593 00:42:50,412 --> 00:42:54,372 He had a tactics board with two small magnets ... 594 00:42:54,491 --> 00:42:59,132 either side of the goal, just outside of the box. 595 00:42:59,252 --> 00:43:02,092 He said, "Do you know which players these two are?" 596 00:43:02,733 --> 00:43:04,933 I said, "Nope." 597 00:43:05,053 --> 00:43:07,534 And he said, "These are your center-backs." 598 00:43:09,373 --> 00:43:12,533 I had no idea what he was talking about. It sounded Chinese. 599 00:43:12,654 --> 00:43:18,895 And he said, "When you've got the ball, this is where I want them to be." 600 00:43:20,494 --> 00:43:23,054 I thought he was crazy. 601 00:43:23,814 --> 00:43:29,695 And then he said, "You'll pass to them, and from there we'll build the play." 602 00:43:29,814 --> 00:43:33,334 I still thought he was completely mad, 603 00:43:33,455 --> 00:43:37,216 but given that I'm a bit crazy myself, I felt in tune with him. 604 00:43:37,336 --> 00:43:39,976 So I told him the defenders would have to be brave ... 605 00:43:40,095 --> 00:43:43,094 and want the ball. 606 00:43:43,216 --> 00:43:46,457 And Pep said, "Don't worry, that's my job. 607 00:43:46,576 --> 00:43:48,096 I'll make sure they want it." 608 00:43:48,576 --> 00:43:49,856 That's how it started. 609 00:43:52,415 --> 00:43:58,376 Both Pep and Tito took this idea one step further. 610 00:43:59,017 --> 00:44:04,897 They told us not to worry ... 611 00:44:05,016 --> 00:44:06,537 because if we made a mistake, 612 00:44:06,657 --> 00:44:08,497 they would take responsibility. 613 00:44:08,618 --> 00:44:11,058 All they asked was that we play the ball out from the back ... 614 00:44:11,178 --> 00:44:17,699 because that was the way Barça had to play football. 615 00:44:20,577 --> 00:44:24,017 He would show us how he wanted us to play the ball out from the back. 616 00:44:24,138 --> 00:44:26,099 He said that by doing this, we'd score. 617 00:44:26,217 --> 00:44:29,177 So why would I stop playing that Way if I made a mistake? 618 00:44:29,299 --> 00:44:32,859 We both knew that it was risky. 619 00:44:32,979 --> 00:44:36,780 But he would say, "Don't worry if you make a mistake. 620 00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:39,779 Just keep playing exactly the same way." 621 00:44:59,701 --> 00:45:02,781 We believe it's about much more than just winning. 622 00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:05,741 The message isn't "win, win, win". 623 00:45:05,861 --> 00:45:07,621 Winning is a result of how you play. 624 00:45:07,741 --> 00:45:09,701 The philosophy is the most important thing. 625 00:45:10,181 --> 00:45:13,342 You know you've done something when people just want to watch you play. 626 00:45:13,422 --> 00:45:14,422 Not win. 627 00:45:15,222 --> 00:45:19,222 When you talk about Barcelona, you're talking about the way they play, 628 00:45:19,340 --> 00:45:20,900 the beauty of the game. 629 00:45:28,022 --> 00:45:31,742 You go home and you go like, "You should watch the second goal ... 630 00:45:31,862 --> 00:45:34,382 and, by the way, they won." 631 00:45:45,863 --> 00:45:49,743 There was a sign on the door of the coaches' room, which said, 632 00:45:49,862 --> 00:45:56,223 "If you're offering us a youth player who's less than 1.8 meters tall, 633 00:45:56,344 --> 00:45:57,624 turn around and go home." 634 00:45:57,743 --> 00:46:02,104 It was Cruyff who changed that, when he returned as manager. 635 00:46:02,224 --> 00:46:08,384 He believed that talent was the key and height was irrelevant. 636 00:46:12,225 --> 00:46:13,505 From then on, players were judged only on their quality. 637 00:46:13,625 --> 00:46:17,425 Is he good or not? Regardless of their height. 638 00:46:17,545 --> 00:46:21,066 Look at Jordi, Xavi, Messi and Andrés. 639 00:46:21,187 --> 00:46:25,387 On top of each other they barely reach normal height. They're all tiny ! 640 00:46:26,946 --> 00:46:30,346 Small players have enormous advantages over big players. 641 00:46:30,466 --> 00:46:33,466 They can start, stop and turn quicker. 642 00:46:33,587 --> 00:46:35,467 The best players are all small. 643 00:46:36,387 --> 00:46:38,827 Messi has given a lot of people, 644 00:46:38,947 --> 00:46:42,428 a lot of young football dreamers, a whole new hope. 645 00:46:43,026 --> 00:46:44,906 It's not about the 1 meter 80. 646 00:46:45,746 --> 00:46:47,586 It's much more than that. 647 00:46:48,106 --> 00:46:49,427 It's intelligence. 648 00:46:49,547 --> 00:46:52,107 In the end, if the brain is faster than the ball, 649 00:46:53,828 --> 00:46:54,948 you dominate. 650 00:47:03,867 --> 00:47:06,627 One of my friends worked in the youth academy, 651 00:47:07,269 --> 00:47:10,230 when Messi was 14 or 15. 652 00:47:10,349 --> 00:47:14,589 I always asked about the kids, which of them looked special, 653 00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:17,590 who was likely to make it and reach the first team. 654 00:47:18,269 --> 00:47:21,029 He said to me, "There's this kid from Argentina, 655 00:47:21,149 --> 00:47:24,628 and I've never seen anyone with the talent he's got." 656 00:47:24,750 --> 00:47:28,431 When Messi started training with us at the age of 16, 657 00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:31,110 we all realized he was special. 658 00:47:58,672 --> 00:48:04,032 I had a big network of scouts in South America. 659 00:48:04,151 --> 00:48:09,312 One of them told me there was a kid in Rosario. 660 00:48:09,433 --> 00:48:13,873 He was only 12 years old but he was unique. 661 00:48:13,992 --> 00:48:18,673 Nowadays, clubs invest in youngsters, but it didn't happen back then. 662 00:48:18,793 --> 00:48:23,713 It wasn't easy, but Charly Rexach helped and we decided to bring him over. 663 00:48:24,432 --> 00:48:26,673 Nobody wanted to take a risk on me. 664 00:48:27,753 --> 00:48:31,833 It was a big gamble to sign such a small kid from abroad, 665 00:48:31,953 --> 00:48:35,354 and bring him to Barcelona. 666 00:48:35,915 --> 00:48:40,675 It was Charly Rexach who made it happen. 667 00:48:40,795 --> 00:48:44,996 He came to watch me play and told me that Barça definitely wanted me. 668 00:48:45,756 --> 00:48:49,236 It was thanks to him and the coaches who wanted to sign me, 669 00:48:49,355 --> 00:48:51,995 although there were some who didn't. 670 00:48:52,115 --> 00:48:58,476 But mainly it's thanks to Charly that I signed for Barça. 671 00:49:00,235 --> 00:49:01,915 I've always said it was an honor to have brought Messi to this club. 672 00:49:02,036 --> 00:49:04,637 My small part in Messi's arrival 673 00:49:04,757 --> 00:49:08,557 was that I kept nagging until we signed him. 674 00:49:08,957 --> 00:49:11,717 If you went to the board back then, 675 00:49:11,837 --> 00:49:15,517 and told them that we needed to sign a 12-year-old kid, 676 00:49:15,635 --> 00:49:17,875 their first reaction was, 677 00:49:17,996 --> 00:49:20,876 "Let's talk again in eight years." 678 00:49:20,996 --> 00:49:22,957 But I said, "No. We have to sign him. 679 00:49:23,556 --> 00:49:28,476 He's very good, and one day, he'll be incredible." 680 00:49:28,596 --> 00:49:31,436 That was my success. I insisted on it. 681 00:49:31,558 --> 00:49:36,679 Even back then, it was already obvious that Messi was out of this world. 682 00:49:40,198 --> 00:49:42,919 So I told Rexach that I needed something in writing. 683 00:49:43,038 --> 00:49:44,998 His parents had been here a month, 684 00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:49,959 and I kept reassuring them, but there was no official agreement. 685 00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,560 We were at the Pompeia Tennis Club on Montjuic, 686 00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:58,479 and there were napkins on the table, so Rexach took one and wrote, 687 00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:01,560 "I, Carles Rexach, advisor to the president, 688 00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:05,719 confirm that Leo Messi has the qualities to sign for FC Barcelona." 689 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,560 He signed it and then I signed it. 690 00:50:07,681 --> 00:50:09,560 We still have the napkin stored in the bank ... 691 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,481 because it's delicate and it needs looking after. 692 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,000 By signing the napkin, I wanted to show Messi's family ... 693 00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:21,880 that I was committed to signing him for FC Barcelona. 694 00:50:23,361 --> 00:50:26,601 I think Barcelona and Messi just ... It was destined. 695 00:50:26,721 --> 00:50:28,601 It just had to be this way. 696 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,601 He came to the best club that he could have. 697 00:50:53,244 --> 00:50:55,084 It was difficult at first. 698 00:50:55,843 --> 00:51:00,444 I was very young and everything was new. 699 00:51:00,565 --> 00:51:04,604 I'd left behind family members, friends, my country. 700 00:51:04,722 --> 00:51:11,003 It was tough to start with, but I managed to settle in. 701 00:51:11,125 --> 00:51:13,565 Most of us knew that a phenomenon was coming. 702 00:51:13,684 --> 00:51:16,004 But the Gamper tournament was the proof. 703 00:51:16,124 --> 00:51:17,284 It was the first night, 704 00:51:17,403 --> 00:51:19,204 of which there have been so many since, 705 00:51:19,325 --> 00:51:24,125 when 99,000 lucky people at the Camp Nou simply paid homage ... 706 00:51:24,244 --> 00:51:27,284 to something more exciting, more uplifting ... 707 00:51:27,404 --> 00:51:29,285 than they'd ever witnessed before. 708 00:51:29,965 --> 00:51:33,565 I was there that night and the effect was spine-tingling. 709 00:51:43,165 --> 00:51:44,765 It was a very special day, 710 00:51:44,886 --> 00:51:49,567 and I loved every minute. 711 00:51:50,286 --> 00:51:52,846 It was the Gamper tournament, 712 00:51:52,966 --> 00:51:58,487 and I was in the starting XI. 713 00:51:59,608 --> 00:52:04,367 It was a huge moment for me because after that game, 714 00:52:04,487 --> 00:52:07,408 everything changed. 715 00:52:07,527 --> 00:52:10,927 That's where it all started. 716 00:52:13,327 --> 00:52:16,928 I remember telling Patrick Vieira before that match ... 717 00:52:17,049 --> 00:52:22,329 to be very careful because he was up against a young kid ... 718 00:52:22,449 --> 00:52:25,009 who would change history. 719 00:52:25,128 --> 00:52:29,569 One day, it would seem like every player who came before Messi, even me, 720 00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:31,930 were playing a different sport. 721 00:52:33,329 --> 00:52:35,489 It was incredible what this kid was doing ... 722 00:52:35,610 --> 00:52:39,290 against the likes of Vieira, a first team player at Juve. 723 00:52:39,931 --> 00:52:44,451 He was drifting past big, physical players. 724 00:52:44,570 --> 00:52:46,811 Messi just did whatever he wanted. 725 00:52:46,930 --> 00:52:51,250 And Capello asked if he could take him on loan. 726 00:52:59,730 --> 00:53:01,090 Capello's no fool ! 727 00:53:02,331 --> 00:53:04,171 Initially, I didn't know anything about Messi. 728 00:53:04,290 --> 00:53:08,491 Only that he was going to play. 729 00:53:08,612 --> 00:53:10,852 I saw that he was just a young kid, 730 00:53:10,971 --> 00:53:16,212 but when the game started, he began doing incredible things. 731 00:53:16,332 --> 00:53:19,452 Rijkaard was the Barcelona coach back then. 732 00:53:20,532 --> 00:53:24,973 It was the Gamper trophy, a friendly match. 733 00:53:25,092 --> 00:53:28,652 The referee wasn't that strict and we could move about, 734 00:53:28,772 --> 00:53:31,012 so I walked over to Rijkaard, 735 00:53:31,133 --> 00:53:37,454 and asked if I could take Messi on loan. 736 00:53:37,573 --> 00:53:41,413 You weren't allowed as many foreigners in your team back then. 737 00:53:41,534 --> 00:53:44,375 I said, "You've already got three foreign players. 738 00:53:44,494 --> 00:53:46,614 There's no place for him". 739 00:53:46,735 --> 00:53:52,254 But Rijkaard said that they were already looking for a solution, 740 00:53:52,373 --> 00:53:58,614 and Messi would be a regular in the team very soon. 741 00:53:59,214 --> 00:54:00,214 It's just ... 742 00:54:02,175 --> 00:54:03,215 How do you describe it? 743 00:54:03,294 --> 00:54:07,374 Basically everyone knew this guy is going to be the best in the world. 744 00:54:07,454 --> 00:54:09,214 And there was no doubt about it. 745 00:54:34,298 --> 00:54:35,418 I knew about his goal scoring ability, 746 00:54:35,857 --> 00:54:39,457 and fortunately, Guardiola put him in that false nine position. 747 00:54:39,578 --> 00:54:42,179 It meant that alongside Eto'o and the other strikers, 748 00:54:42,298 --> 00:54:46,417 he had more freedom in attack. 749 00:54:47,018 --> 00:54:53,019 That tactical change was a huge benefit to him. 750 00:55:17,381 --> 00:55:19,902 It's very difficult to pick Leo's best goal. 751 00:55:20,021 --> 00:55:23,541 The one he scored against Getafe comes to mind. 752 00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:26,540 When you see what he produces day in day out, 753 00:55:26,659 --> 00:55:28,459 it's impossible to choose one goal. 754 00:55:39,061 --> 00:55:41,980 They were just flashes of Maradona against England. 755 00:55:42,582 --> 00:55:45,302 And I knew at that time, 756 00:55:45,421 --> 00:55:49,262 right in the moment that I've witnessed something incredible here. 757 00:55:49,381 --> 00:55:52,181 It's one of his great goals, probably one of the greatest, 758 00:55:52,301 --> 00:55:55,181 but if you get a video of his goals, 759 00:55:56,341 --> 00:56:02,142 he's probably scored another 50 like it, which makes him exceptional. 760 00:56:11,144 --> 00:56:16,864 One of my favorites is the goal he scored against Arsenal. 761 00:56:17,304 --> 00:56:20,424 It was like watching someone on the PlayStation. 762 00:56:20,543 --> 00:56:27,104 He flicks it over Almunia at the last second and then scores. 763 00:56:35,584 --> 00:56:37,184 I love it because of that skill. 764 00:56:37,305 --> 00:56:40,505 Any other player would smash it into the net first time, 765 00:56:40,623 --> 00:56:45,904 but he had the composure to flick the ball up and then finish. 766 00:56:46,027 --> 00:56:49,547 The best goal I've seen him score was against Málaga at home ... 767 00:56:49,905 --> 00:56:52,185 because that defied logic what he did. 768 00:56:53,504 --> 00:56:56,385 Diagonal ball, controlled the ball on his chest, 769 00:56:57,147 --> 00:56:58,747 he runs full speed. 770 00:57:00,466 --> 00:57:03,746 The first player goes, the second player's just behind him. 771 00:57:05,667 --> 00:57:08,947 If he takes another step that player will clear the ball. 772 00:57:09,068 --> 00:57:11,908 OK, if you stop the ball on your left foot here, 773 00:57:13,187 --> 00:57:18,028 how do you go back with that same leg to touch the ball in the air, 774 00:57:18,947 --> 00:57:20,947 to make sure that guy doesn't touch it? 775 00:57:21,067 --> 00:57:22,507 Then he almost fell. 776 00:57:22,628 --> 00:57:25,549 He almost fell and smashed it to first post, top corner. 777 00:57:26,627 --> 00:57:27,787 That's not normal. 778 00:57:33,467 --> 00:57:35,188 Regardless of the fact that he's Messi, in training, he wants to win. 779 00:57:35,308 --> 00:57:39,308 He'll get annoyed if he doesn't get the ball ... 780 00:57:39,429 --> 00:57:41,509 and angry if he's fouled. 781 00:57:41,628 --> 00:57:44,549 And that tells you a lot about a champion like him. 782 00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:49,110 In training, if the boss doesn't call a foul or whatever, 783 00:57:49,228 --> 00:57:53,429 he used to go and ask, "It's not a foul? OK." 784 00:57:53,549 --> 00:57:57,749 He used to go and get the ball, run past everyone, score. 785 00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:59,950 Now you get the ball, you try to go, 786 00:58:00,071 --> 00:58:02,912 he runs after you, gets the ball back, scores, 787 00:58:03,271 --> 00:58:07,711 until he gets in a normal state again and he relaxes. 788 00:58:07,831 --> 00:58:09,431 Next thing you know you're 3-1 down. 789 00:58:09,830 --> 00:58:13,231 He's a player who's different from the rest. 790 00:58:13,831 --> 00:58:16,031 He's very talented and earns lots of money, 791 00:58:16,152 --> 00:58:21,672 but when you meet him it's like he isn't a star at all. 792 00:58:25,111 --> 00:58:31,030 I've known him for ten or 12 years and he's not the most outgoing person ... 793 00:58:31,151 --> 00:58:35,032 but he's just a normal, humble guy. 794 00:58:35,151 --> 00:58:36,911 He's very quiet, 795 00:58:37,032 --> 00:58:40,672 but when his feet do the talking, he's unique. 796 00:58:40,792 --> 00:58:42,553 He's an absolute winner. 797 00:58:42,672 --> 00:58:47,032 He has the desire to always be the best on the pitch, 798 00:58:47,152 --> 00:58:50,992 and that's why he became the best player in the history of this game. 799 00:58:56,673 --> 00:59:01,314 I was lucky enough to play against Pelé and Cruyff. 800 00:59:01,435 --> 00:59:02,675 I watched Maradona play. 801 00:59:02,794 --> 00:59:07,394 They have all made a big difference in this sport. 802 00:59:07,514 --> 00:59:09,634 But nowadays there is no one like Leo Messi. 803 00:59:09,754 --> 00:59:13,315 He does things that other players can't even think about doing. 804 00:59:16,236 --> 00:59:18,476 He does the impossible, the incredible. 805 00:59:18,596 --> 00:59:21,517 He moves at a different speed to everyone else. 806 00:59:22,794 --> 00:59:26,914 It's like the ball is glued to his foot and he keeps showing it to you 807 00:59:27,035 --> 00:59:31,716 and just when you think you can get it, it's already too late. 808 00:59:33,155 --> 00:59:40,076 It's difficult to talk about Leo and put it into our words ... 809 00:59:40,197 --> 00:59:41,997 because he's not on our planet. 810 00:59:43,755 --> 00:59:46,235 In every game I'd be watching, waiting to see what he would do 811 00:59:46,356 --> 00:59:49,277 because he's the player who wins you every game. 812 00:59:49,957 --> 00:59:53,717 When he takes the ball, something's going to happen. 813 00:59:57,278 --> 00:59:59,359 He's capable of starting the move and finishing it off, as well. 814 01:00:01,477 --> 01:00:04,157 Normally, players can do one or the other, 815 01:00:06,597 --> 01:00:08,038 But he's different. 816 01:00:10,439 --> 01:00:11,999 He's better than you with his right foot, left foot and head, 817 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,000 at defending and attacking. 818 01:00:14,118 --> 01:00:15,198 He's faster, 819 01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:19,280 better at dribbling and passing. 820 01:00:26,877 --> 01:00:28,238 Goalkeeper? 821 01:00:28,359 --> 01:00:31,079 Well, we haven't put him in goal yet. 822 01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:35,199 But watch out if he tries that too ! 823 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,761 The impact and importance of Cruyff as a player, 824 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,760 and then the Dream Team coach at Barça, huge. 825 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,320 But Joan Laporta's devotion to the Dutchman ... 826 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,160 meant that he stood for election, 827 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:55,920 and once he won the presidency, 828 01:00:56,041 --> 01:00:59,002 he ushered in that golden era of all-time ... 829 01:00:59,641 --> 01:01:04,041 by handing the GPS to Cruyff, about the football philosophy, 830 01:01:04,161 --> 01:01:06,922 and the appointment of the right men to implement it. 831 01:01:07,362 --> 01:01:10,522 It's for those three things : great player, brilliant coach, 832 01:01:10,644 --> 01:01:13,123 and the greatest ever professor, 833 01:01:13,242 --> 01:01:15,843 that Cruyff has become the most important man ... 834 01:01:15,963 --> 01:01:18,443 in the history of professional football. 835 01:01:19,123 --> 01:01:23,683 I think it was ... it was crucial, the contribution of Cruyff. 836 01:01:23,803 --> 01:01:26,364 It wasn't like a day-to-day office job, 837 01:01:26,484 --> 01:01:31,044 but we knew that he was providing ideas and support. 838 01:01:32,442 --> 01:01:35,003 He advised us on all of our football decisions. 839 01:01:35,124 --> 01:01:38,324 Johan created and developed a certain style of football, 840 01:01:38,445 --> 01:01:44,526 and Rijkaard contributed his own personality, ideas and experience. 841 01:01:50,604 --> 01:01:51,764 People remember Pep's time in charge ... 842 01:01:51,885 --> 01:01:53,805 because it was a very successful era, 843 01:01:53,926 --> 01:01:57,646 but I'll never forget Frank's time at the club, 844 01:01:57,765 --> 01:02:00,125 which was also a very successful few years. 845 01:02:00,565 --> 01:02:05,526 During Madrid's Galáctico era, they were winning everything, 846 01:02:05,646 --> 01:02:07,645 and it felt like we couldn't beat them. 847 01:02:07,765 --> 01:02:10,125 But with Rijkaard, we put an end to that, 848 01:02:10,245 --> 01:02:14,966 which for me personally was a very proud moment. 849 01:02:25,446 --> 01:02:28,526 Barça was already a huge brand, 850 01:02:28,646 --> 01:02:32,687 but we were looking at the museum and there was only one Champions League. 851 01:02:43,448 --> 01:02:46,408 If you watch the final, I don't think we deserved to lose. 852 01:03:11,649 --> 01:03:13,769 After the births of my children, that was the best night of my life. 853 01:03:13,890 --> 01:03:20,851 I honestly thought it would be my last game for Barça ... 854 01:03:21,051 --> 01:03:23,731 because I'd had a really tough year. 855 01:03:23,851 --> 01:03:28,291 It was thanks to Frank that I played that day. 856 01:03:28,410 --> 01:03:30,891 He was like a father to me. 857 01:03:31,012 --> 01:03:35,932 And in the end, we lifted the European Cup together. 858 01:03:41,492 --> 01:03:43,612 After winning in Paris, that magical point, 859 01:03:43,733 --> 01:03:48,653 that turning point for the club, the following season wasn't that good. 860 01:03:48,772 --> 01:03:53,773 The leading players were not really leading the group properly. 861 01:03:54,493 --> 01:03:58,412 Maybe we had so much success so early that maybe it was too early. 862 01:03:59,173 --> 01:04:02,333 Slowly, but steadily, we were going in the wrong direction. 863 01:04:02,453 --> 01:04:06,293 The second season that I was here, Rijkaard was still in charge. 864 01:04:06,413 --> 01:04:12,654 I think it's one of the worst seasons in the recent history of Barcelona, 865 01:04:12,773 --> 01:04:14,053 where we came third. 866 01:04:15,413 --> 01:04:18,173 We went backwards after winning in Paris, 867 01:04:18,293 --> 01:04:20,054 and winning the league. 868 01:04:20,174 --> 01:04:25,454 We'd stopped competing. we'd lost our fire, our hunger. 869 01:04:25,574 --> 01:04:28,535 You could sense through the season that it was the end of an era. 870 01:04:28,656 --> 01:04:29,936 People wanted a change, 871 01:04:30,055 --> 01:04:33,415 and I was part of the people that they wanted out. 872 01:04:33,534 --> 01:04:35,374 It was very difficult. 873 01:04:39,497 --> 01:04:42,057 I've only been sent off twice: Once because the referee made a mistake, 874 01:04:42,176 --> 01:04:43,616 and once at the Bernabéu. 875 01:04:50,936 --> 01:04:52,696 I felt angry and powerless. 876 01:04:52,816 --> 01:04:54,615 They were running rings around us. 877 01:04:54,736 --> 01:05:00,017 Never mind 4-1, we could have lost 7-1. 878 01:05:00,136 --> 01:05:03,296 It was one of the worst nights of my career, 879 01:05:03,416 --> 01:05:05,696 and the same goes for Puyol and everyone else. 880 01:05:10,897 --> 01:05:14,537 It just wasn't good enough. Not for the standards people set here. 881 01:05:14,658 --> 01:05:16,339 Not good enough for the club. 882 01:05:16,458 --> 01:05:19,938 And not good enough if you look at the players that we had. 883 01:05:20,058 --> 01:05:21,618 Something had to change. 884 01:05:32,420 --> 01:05:36,061 Mourinho does come out of this story as the bad guy, 885 01:05:36,139 --> 01:05:39,579 but in 2008, he was a perfectly legitimate candidate ... 886 01:05:39,699 --> 01:05:42,219 to succeed the failing Frank Rijkaard. 887 01:05:42,861 --> 01:05:43,861 He's a winner, 888 01:05:43,979 --> 01:05:47,820 and it felt like a safer choice because he was a big brand, 889 01:05:47,941 --> 01:05:52,540 and he'd recently coached Chelsea, etc., and he was on the market. 890 01:05:53,819 --> 01:05:55,340 It was a long process, there were many board members 891 01:05:55,461 --> 01:05:56,461 who wanted Mourinho. 892 01:05:56,580 --> 01:06:02,900 They argued that we needed a manager who would get results quickly. 893 01:06:03,580 --> 01:06:07,701 Given there were four or five directors keen on Mourinho, 894 01:06:07,822 --> 01:06:14,503 the vice president organized a meeting with him and off he went. 895 01:06:14,781 --> 01:06:17,741 By that time he was employing the 4-3-3, 896 01:06:17,861 --> 01:06:19,421 he even prepared a PowerPoint ... 897 01:06:19,542 --> 01:06:24,343 with some pitch positions of the players and typical movements. 898 01:06:24,462 --> 01:06:27,022 I'm sure he would have been successful. 899 01:06:32,942 --> 01:06:34,103 Mourinho helped us a lot when we were young players. 900 01:06:34,224 --> 01:06:40,504 Van Gaal often sent him to take Barça B training. 901 01:06:43,505 --> 01:06:45,544 I was with the under-19s and he'd coach us once a week. 902 01:06:45,663 --> 01:06:51,783 It was the same style of football, the Barça philosophy. 903 01:06:53,383 --> 01:06:55,623 The rondo, possession, holding onto the ball, positional play. 904 01:06:55,744 --> 01:06:57,984 We worked on all of that with Mourinho. 905 01:06:58,103 --> 01:07:00,863 You could understand that Mourinho felt ... 906 01:07:00,983 --> 01:07:04,304 he should be in charge of making Barça the greatest team in the world. 907 01:07:04,665 --> 01:07:07,705 But by 2008, Mourinho had changed radically. 908 01:07:07,824 --> 01:07:12,465 It was about power, height, athleticism, over technique. 909 01:07:14,227 --> 01:07:15,827 When he went to Chelsea, 910 01:07:15,944 --> 01:07:19,864 Mourinho's philosophy of the game changed. 911 01:07:20,226 --> 01:07:23,547 It's a very different style to the football we play at Barça. 912 01:07:27,586 --> 01:07:30,466 We wanted to stay faithful to Cruyff's philosophy. 913 01:07:31,988 --> 01:07:36,988 The president and Johan were good friends, 914 01:07:37,108 --> 01:07:41,068 and Laporta had complete confidence in Johan's opinion. 915 01:07:41,187 --> 01:07:44,987 Johan told him the man for the job was training the youth team. 916 01:07:45,747 --> 01:07:47,747 All he needed to do was promote him. 917 01:07:48,187 --> 01:07:52,148 There's a lot of football players ... There were a lot of football players 918 01:07:52,268 --> 01:07:54,548 that came to visit my father periodically. 919 01:07:54,668 --> 01:07:55,668 My father loved that. 920 01:07:55,788 --> 01:08:00,469 And I know Pep also loved that, and I know that they were meeting a lot. 921 01:08:00,588 --> 01:08:04,788 So when my father had, what we could call a crazy idea 922 01:08:04,909 --> 01:08:07,669 that the coach who was in Barça B in the third division, 923 01:08:07,789 --> 01:08:11,110 or the third level at the time, to say, "Put him in the first team." 924 01:08:11,229 --> 01:08:13,749 That's a big gamble. 925 01:08:15,070 --> 01:08:16,150 I asked them if they thought Pep was ready, 926 01:08:16,829 --> 01:08:20,630 and Txiki Begiristain and Johan, who saw him regularly, said he was. 927 01:08:21,150 --> 01:08:23,390 Mourinho's agent called me and said, 928 01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:25,870 "Are you going to appoint Mourinho or not? 929 01:08:25,991 --> 01:08:30,792 Because if you're interested, we need to talk." 930 01:08:30,911 --> 01:08:34,031 And I said to him, "No, Jorge. We've chosen Pep Guardiola." 931 01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:37,310 So I told Pep that I wanted him to be the next manager ... 932 01:08:37,429 --> 01:08:39,190 if the season didn't end well. 933 01:08:39,670 --> 01:08:46,670 We were having lunch and Pep, half in jest, said to me, 934 01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:51,111 "If you appoint me as coach I'll win everything for you." 935 01:08:51,232 --> 01:08:52,392 He honestly said that. 936 01:09:02,192 --> 01:09:04,032 When I heard that Guardiola would be our new manager, 937 01:09:04,152 --> 01:09:07,193 I knew that everything would go well. 938 01:09:07,872 --> 01:09:10,352 I hadn't worked with him as a coach but we were teammates, 939 01:09:10,472 --> 01:09:13,872 and I knew what a perfectionist he was. 940 01:09:13,993 --> 01:09:15,793 And I thought, this is going to be great. 941 01:09:17,913 --> 01:09:21,233 In retrospect, it's remarkable, but because of Euro 2008, 942 01:09:21,355 --> 01:09:25,035 Guardiola's appointment had garnered very little media coverage in Spain ... 943 01:09:25,153 --> 01:09:26,874 until the day of his presentation ... 944 01:09:26,995 --> 01:09:31,114 when he sits there, lean, young, full head of hair, 945 01:09:31,234 --> 01:09:33,554 the returning local hero and says, 946 01:09:33,674 --> 01:09:37,635 "Everything changes." Ronaldinho, out ! Deco, out ! 947 01:09:37,754 --> 01:09:41,554 Eto'o, out ! Or, at best, third choice striker. 948 01:09:41,675 --> 01:09:45,235 It was his statement of : "I'm in charge." 949 01:09:46,876 --> 01:09:50,156 Just imagine what Samuel was like when he heard that. 950 01:09:50,275 --> 01:09:55,796 It was like an explosion. 951 01:10:03,515 --> 01:10:04,875 Given the kind of player I was, 952 01:10:04,997 --> 01:10:07,637 and considering what I'd done for the club, 953 01:10:07,756 --> 01:10:11,436 it would have been nice for Pep to have called me with the news. 954 01:10:11,556 --> 01:10:13,596 It's always better to be straight with people. 955 01:10:13,716 --> 01:10:15,917 It was a big shock to find out that way. 956 01:10:18,957 --> 01:10:22,357 Tactically, he's the best in the world. I've always said that. 957 01:10:22,478 --> 01:10:24,439 He understands the game better than anyone, 958 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:25,999 but I'll be even better ... 959 01:10:26,716 --> 01:10:28,516 because I'll be up front with people. 960 01:10:30,717 --> 01:10:32,757 Samuel took training seriously. He trained as hard as he played. 961 01:10:33,797 --> 01:10:35,638 Every manager loved Eto'o ... 962 01:10:35,758 --> 01:10:40,478 but at training, it was all or nothing with him, 963 01:10:40,599 --> 01:10:42,559 and he often caused problems. 964 01:10:42,679 --> 01:10:47,200 I remember Rijkaard told me we had to get rid of Samuel ... 965 01:10:47,318 --> 01:10:52,278 because he grabbed one of the assistants by the scruff of the neck ... 966 01:10:52,398 --> 01:10:54,679 for giving him offside in training. 967 01:10:54,799 --> 01:10:57,199 But that passion is also good. 968 01:10:57,681 --> 01:11:01,041 I remember the pre-season training camp in St Andrews. 969 01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:02,480 We were all curious. 970 01:11:02,598 --> 01:11:04,799 We'd sold Deco and Ronaldinho, 971 01:11:05,441 --> 01:11:07,081 but I was keen to keep Eto'o, 972 01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,920 and I told him that I'd try to keep him. 973 01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:13,280 He was brilliant during that pre-season. 974 01:11:13,402 --> 01:11:16,202 He worked harder and ran more than anyone else. 975 01:11:17,681 --> 01:11:21,360 In the pre-season games he scored more than anyone. 976 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,640 So the captains went to see Pep ... 977 01:11:25,762 --> 01:11:27,882 I hope Pep doesn't get annoyed I'm sharing this ! 978 01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:32,081 They told Pep that ... Eto'o would be a big help that season. 979 01:11:33,041 --> 01:11:35,561 The guy they wanted to kick out saved them. 980 01:11:35,683 --> 01:11:37,843 Everyone talks about Messi these days, 981 01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,840 but the one who made the difference at Barça back then 982 01:11:40,962 --> 01:11:42,923 wasn't Ronaldinho. It was Eto'o. 983 01:11:43,564 --> 01:11:46,684 When things got difficult, it was me they all looked to. 984 01:11:50,242 --> 01:11:52,643 The team could have played without a manager. 985 01:11:53,123 --> 01:11:56,603 Guardiola's job was to reinstall a desire to win, 986 01:11:56,723 --> 01:11:59,603 and he achieved that with his team talks. 987 01:12:10,004 --> 01:12:12,165 After his first team talk in St Andrews ... 988 01:12:13,485 --> 01:12:16,404 I knew that something big was about to happen. 989 01:12:16,524 --> 01:12:20,845 I'd never heard anyone convey a message like that before. 990 01:12:20,964 --> 01:12:26,364 At that moment, everyone knew that things would go well. 991 01:12:27,964 --> 01:12:29,004 Pep spoke to the players a lot. 992 01:12:29,126 --> 01:12:32,127 Maybe his most famous team talk was when he said, 993 01:12:32,247 --> 01:12:36,087 "You can miss a penalty or mess up a pass. 994 01:12:36,205 --> 01:12:37,365 "You're only human. 995 01:12:37,486 --> 01:12:44,047 "But I'll never forgive you if you don't give me 100%." 996 01:12:47,087 --> 01:12:48,848 There are very few people who communicate as well as he does. 997 01:12:48,967 --> 01:12:54,527 He makes his players believe in what they have to do. 998 01:12:54,648 --> 01:12:57,448 And he convinces you that it will work. 999 01:12:57,568 --> 01:12:59,409 From the first minute, 1000 01:12:59,526 --> 01:13:06,166 we all believed that a change was coming, 1001 01:13:06,288 --> 01:13:08,209 and that we could achieve big things. 1002 01:13:09,769 --> 01:13:12,928 Pep's team talks were exactly what I needed. 1003 01:13:14,767 --> 01:13:17,407 He was so passionate when he spoke. 1004 01:13:17,969 --> 01:13:19,289 I love a challenge. 1005 01:13:19,408 --> 01:13:23,728 I really like having to work at something important. 1006 01:13:23,848 --> 01:13:27,129 So when they told me everything was going to change at Barça, 1007 01:13:27,248 --> 01:13:29,888 that a new coach and new players were arriving, 1008 01:13:30,008 --> 01:13:32,208 I decided that was where I wanted to be. 1009 01:13:34,009 --> 01:13:35,209 I joined up with the team for pre-season, 1010 01:13:35,330 --> 01:13:36,891 and I needed to talk to Guardiola. 1011 01:13:37,009 --> 01:13:40,609 I told him I'd had offers to join other teams. 1012 01:13:41,490 --> 01:13:43,970 Ten seconds is what it took. 1013 01:13:44,090 --> 01:13:47,771 He told me he had three or four line-ups in mind 1014 01:13:48,291 --> 01:13:50,571 and he couldn't imagine a single one without me in it. 1015 01:13:50,692 --> 01:13:54,412 I told my brother, my agent and everyone else ... 1016 01:13:54,530 --> 01:13:56,291 not to listen to any other offers. 1017 01:13:57,331 --> 01:13:59,291 It was a good start in pre-season, 1018 01:13:59,412 --> 01:14:00,812 and the freshness about the team, 1019 01:14:00,933 --> 01:14:03,413 and a lot of hard work and well-prepared, 1020 01:14:03,532 --> 01:14:06,012 but the season itself didn't start that well. 1021 01:14:14,251 --> 01:14:18,892 I actually saw that game with my father, here at home. 1022 01:14:19,013 --> 01:14:20,733 And they lost to Numancia. 1023 01:14:20,852 --> 01:14:24,012 And immediately the attacks, "He's not prepared for this." 1024 01:14:24,132 --> 01:14:26,813 My father said, "It's one of the best games in years !" 1025 01:14:26,933 --> 01:14:31,213 You know, come on ! Give us a break ! It was not the best game. 1026 01:14:31,613 --> 01:14:34,854 Most of us, including me, probably saw the game and said, 1027 01:14:34,974 --> 01:14:36,774 "Wow ! This doesn't smell good." 1028 01:14:37,214 --> 01:14:40,254 My father never looked at the end product of 90 minutes. 1029 01:14:40,373 --> 01:14:43,453 My father looked at the end product of many years to come. 1030 01:14:54,376 --> 01:14:56,496 It was really a big moment for myself, 1031 01:14:56,617 --> 01:15:00,697 and it was probably an even bigger moment for the team and for the club ... 1032 01:15:00,815 --> 01:15:02,854 because we needed that victory. 1033 01:15:03,214 --> 01:15:05,495 If we'd drawn that game, 1034 01:15:05,615 --> 01:15:08,575 the question marks would have started flying around. 1035 01:15:09,895 --> 01:15:13,216 And once we found that click, once we got that first victory, 1036 01:15:14,857 --> 01:15:16,177 there was no stopping us. 1037 01:15:34,858 --> 01:15:39,858 Guardiola taught us so much, but he also explained why we did things. 1038 01:15:39,978 --> 01:15:42,339 Most of us already understood the reasons ... 1039 01:15:42,460 --> 01:15:45,900 because we'd spent years at Barça, 1040 01:15:46,018 --> 01:15:49,098 but the guys from other clubs noticed a huge change ... 1041 01:15:49,218 --> 01:15:51,018 when Guardiola took over. 1042 01:15:56,578 --> 01:16:01,459 He was the coach who completely changed my outlook. 1043 01:16:02,739 --> 01:16:08,219 When I arrived here he showed me an entirely new way ... 1044 01:16:08,340 --> 01:16:11,981 of seeing, playing, and thinking about football. 1045 01:16:14,299 --> 01:16:18,259 It always reminded me of the tactics of a basketball team, 1046 01:16:18,381 --> 01:16:21,582 when they have the ball and start signaling to each other ... 1047 01:16:21,700 --> 01:16:23,940 that they're going to try a certain play. 1048 01:16:24,061 --> 01:16:25,461 It was a bit like that. 1049 01:16:28,222 --> 01:16:29,342 It was fantastic. 1050 01:16:29,460 --> 01:16:31,541 I was never allowed to kick the ball long, 1051 01:16:31,661 --> 01:16:35,621 and from the very first minute I was involved in the tactics. 1052 01:16:35,742 --> 01:16:38,382 So I had to really concentrate all the time, 1053 01:16:38,501 --> 01:16:45,342 which meant every match flew by really fast. 1054 01:16:45,462 --> 01:16:49,663 It was great because I'd been used to a more direct style of football, 1055 01:16:49,783 --> 01:16:55,222 and sometimes all I'd be thinking about was how boring the games were. 1056 01:16:58,061 --> 01:17:00,862 I was in my element because Guardiola and I shared the same philosophy. 1057 01:17:00,982 --> 01:17:05,982 I'd think, don't clear it, pass it, and Guardiola would say exactly that. 1058 01:17:06,101 --> 01:17:12,102 But my football philosophy isn't the same as Abidal's or Henry's ... 1059 01:17:12,224 --> 01:17:14,984 or Hleb's or Yaya Toure's. 1060 01:17:15,103 --> 01:17:20,824 They thought they were playing well, and at other clubs they would have been. 1061 01:17:20,944 --> 01:17:23,624 Not at Barça. It's a different kind of football. 1062 01:17:23,985 --> 01:17:27,105 Whoa, hang on ! That's new. Let me assess it. Let me see it. 1063 01:17:27,224 --> 01:17:29,625 Let me put my pride on the side, also. 1064 01:17:29,746 --> 01:17:34,146 Because that team had a lot of guys that are all kings in their country. 1065 01:17:34,265 --> 01:17:37,506 To tell a guy that used to do maybe stuff or whatever, 1066 01:17:37,626 --> 01:17:40,546 "No, stay there. Don't do that. Make that run for him." 1067 01:17:40,985 --> 01:17:44,705 "What? What do you mean? I can play football too !" 1068 01:17:45,226 --> 01:17:46,905 Pep's methods were different. 1069 01:17:47,026 --> 01:17:49,867 He was very hands-on, always intervening. 1070 01:17:49,986 --> 01:17:53,066 I remember Abidal and a few others coming to me and saying, 1071 01:17:53,185 --> 01:17:55,385 "This guy's changing everything !" 1072 01:17:57,747 --> 01:17:59,027 I wasn't some 15-year-old kid. 1073 01:17:59,747 --> 01:18:03,427 If you treat me with respect, I'll do the same in return, 1074 01:18:03,546 --> 01:18:05,466 but if not, why should I respect you? 1075 01:18:05,587 --> 01:18:08,308 So I said to Pep, "You can't speak to me like that." 1076 01:18:08,427 --> 01:18:11,347 I went to the president and told him, "If this continues, I'm off." 1077 01:18:11,466 --> 01:18:15,626 Abi came from Lyon, where he had another way of playing. 1078 01:18:17,028 --> 01:18:18,868 Look at the Abidal that arrived, 1079 01:18:19,787 --> 01:18:22,387 and look at the Abidal three years after. 1080 01:18:23,108 --> 01:18:26,229 Crosses, putting the ball down and passing it out. 1081 01:18:26,348 --> 01:18:28,428 Before he would have cleared it straight away. 1082 01:18:28,549 --> 01:18:32,229 He wouldn't have been that composed in the last third. 1083 01:18:34,388 --> 01:18:37,909 I think Pep's a football genius. 1084 01:18:38,030 --> 01:18:44,509 Sometimes he can be a bit controlling, checking every last detail. 1085 01:18:44,627 --> 01:18:46,508 Some guys accept and respect that, 1086 01:18:46,629 --> 01:18:51,069 but there are others who say, "You know where you can stick that." 1087 01:18:51,190 --> 01:18:53,350 I arrived here. I was 21. 1088 01:18:53,470 --> 01:18:57,511 And for me it was like love and hate at the same time ... 1089 01:18:57,629 --> 01:19:02,109 because every minute of your life, you have to be focused on football. 1090 01:19:02,230 --> 01:19:05,271 Twelve o'clock you have to go to bed to sleep. 1091 01:19:05,390 --> 01:19:09,550 You have to eat well. He wants to control you in every way. 1092 01:19:09,671 --> 01:19:13,271 "Don't go and watch the tennis, don't stay under the sun, 1093 01:19:13,391 --> 01:19:15,832 don't go to the Formula 1, don't go to this. 1094 01:19:15,952 --> 01:19:17,152 We're here on a mission." 1095 01:19:17,272 --> 01:19:21,272 He wanted to know everything. What we ate, what we ... Whatever ! 1096 01:19:21,831 --> 01:19:23,432 He was so obsessed ... 1097 01:19:23,553 --> 01:19:29,673 that sometimes we had some arguments between him and me. 1098 01:19:31,073 --> 01:19:32,753 Gerard is one of my best friends, 1099 01:19:32,832 --> 01:19:36,793 but I believe a manager has to be like that. 1100 01:19:36,914 --> 01:19:39,473 During training, we always had to give 100%, 1101 01:19:39,592 --> 01:19:41,872 but I'd done that my entire career. 1102 01:19:41,992 --> 01:19:44,393 In my opinion, that's how football should be. 1103 01:19:44,633 --> 01:19:46,553 On the one hand, he was very demanding. 1104 01:19:46,674 --> 01:19:50,954 We all had to have lunch at the training ground every day. 1105 01:19:51,072 --> 01:19:53,113 He controlled our weight, what we ate. 1106 01:19:53,233 --> 01:19:56,513 He completely revolutionized the team's diet. 1107 01:19:56,635 --> 01:19:59,875 But on the other hand, he gave us the night off before matches. 1108 01:20:00,793 --> 01:20:04,434 As a player, he always complained that we spent too much time in hotels. 1109 01:20:05,795 --> 01:20:08,915 Initially, it seemed like a strange decision ... 1110 01:20:09,033 --> 01:20:11,073 because we weren't used to it, 1111 01:20:11,194 --> 01:20:15,035 but I think it was one of the best decisions he made. 1112 01:20:15,156 --> 01:20:18,396 For me where Pep was, at times, ahead of the game ... 1113 01:20:19,396 --> 01:20:22,437 The fact that, Champions League final, 1114 01:20:22,557 --> 01:20:27,517 in the hotel : family, kids, wives. 1115 01:20:27,596 --> 01:20:29,476 My brother was in my room, midnight. 1116 01:20:30,117 --> 01:20:35,637 Girlfriend, friends, we're just talking, I made a cup of coffee, chilling. 1117 01:20:35,756 --> 01:20:37,476 You play for any other team, 1118 01:20:37,596 --> 01:20:42,837 "Don't do this, don't do that. No. You have to concentrate." 1119 01:20:44,396 --> 01:20:49,076 We were lucky because Pep had only recently retired, 1120 01:20:49,196 --> 01:20:53,677 and he understood what the life of a top footballer was like. 1121 01:20:56,477 --> 01:20:59,237 We'd go to every training session and match with a spring in our step ... 1122 01:20:59,357 --> 01:21:01,998 because he was treating us well. He understood us. 1123 01:21:02,999 --> 01:21:07,079 Listen, I say it every single time to my friends. 1124 01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:09,640 When the ref was blowing the whistle, 1125 01:21:11,359 --> 01:21:13,919 I used to look at the time and say, "Already?" 1126 01:21:14,039 --> 01:21:16,199 I didn't want the game to end. 1127 01:21:16,799 --> 01:21:20,720 I didn't want the game to end. I was like, "I'm enjoying this." 1128 01:21:22,921 --> 01:21:25,321 We had a great teacher and we were like sponges, 1129 01:21:25,441 --> 01:21:27,801 absorbing everything he taught us. 1130 01:21:27,917 --> 01:21:30,598 It makes no difference how great the teacher is ... 1131 01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:35,400 if the students aren't capable of understanding the message. 1132 01:21:35,519 --> 01:21:39,040 It all came together perfectly. 1133 01:21:44,561 --> 01:21:45,721 We won everything because we were the best team, 1134 01:21:45,842 --> 01:21:48,923 but we also had the luck of champions. 1135 01:21:49,041 --> 01:21:51,361 There were some epic moments that season. 1136 01:21:51,482 --> 01:21:56,522 Like when winning the Cup hinged on one crucial moment ... 1137 01:21:56,641 --> 01:21:59,202 when Pinto saved a penalty against Mallorca. 1138 01:22:08,082 --> 01:22:09,202 We were losing 1-0, 1139 01:22:09,323 --> 01:22:14,883 and at the start of the second half we conceded a penalty, 1140 01:22:15,002 --> 01:22:17,643 and Martín Cáceres was sent off. 1141 01:22:17,763 --> 01:22:24,762 So I thought I'd try and unsettle the penalty taker. 1142 01:22:25,322 --> 01:22:27,763 I said, "Where are you going to put the penalty?" 1143 01:22:27,883 --> 01:22:32,203 He didn't answer, so I said, "I'm going to dive that way." 1144 01:22:32,323 --> 01:22:36,404 And I got lucky, I went the right way and made the save. 1145 01:22:36,965 --> 01:22:41,045 It gave us a massive boost. 1146 01:22:41,163 --> 01:22:43,203 And then Leo came on. 1147 01:22:43,324 --> 01:22:46,325 He got fouled, their defender was sent off, 1148 01:22:46,444 --> 01:22:48,044 and he scored a wonder-goal. 1149 01:22:50,365 --> 01:22:53,725 In La Liga, if we lost at the Bernabéu, they'd have cut the gap at the top. 1150 01:22:53,844 --> 01:22:56,645 But we won 6-2, which won us the league. 1151 01:22:56,765 --> 01:22:58,205 That was the key game. 1152 01:22:58,326 --> 01:23:00,806 They were four points behind us, 1153 01:23:00,925 --> 01:23:04,565 and if they beat us, it was really tough to win the league. 1154 01:23:04,687 --> 01:23:07,728 But we played one of the best games I've ever seen. 1155 01:23:16,886 --> 01:23:18,166 I really enjoyed it. It was one of the best games ever. 1156 01:23:18,287 --> 01:23:20,886 When I die, I'll probably be thinking about that night. 1157 01:23:22,327 --> 01:23:24,368 Puyol kissing the captain's armband Messi scoring goals, 1158 01:23:24,487 --> 01:23:27,847 and Henry and Piqué. Oh, fantastic ! 1159 01:23:28,847 --> 01:23:33,007 I obviously had to behave appropriately but what a feeling ! 1160 01:23:47,528 --> 01:23:53,409 It's weird because it's eight years ago. 1161 01:23:53,530 --> 01:23:57,730 I always watch it on television. I've watched that goal a hundred times. 1162 01:23:57,848 --> 01:24:03,449 So I always remember this image. I cannot remember what I felt. 1163 01:24:03,570 --> 01:24:07,290 Obviously, it was like an unbelievable feeling ... 1164 01:24:07,410 --> 01:24:09,650 because it was a tremendous game. 1165 01:24:11,890 --> 01:24:15,050 But the 6-2 was extra special because of our tactics. 1166 01:24:16,770 --> 01:24:19,490 That's when that fake nine whole thing started. 1167 01:24:23,372 --> 01:24:24,772 Pep called me the day before the game, 1168 01:24:24,891 --> 01:24:27,491 and told me to come down to the training ground. 1169 01:24:28,812 --> 01:24:30,772 He was keen to discuss a new position. 1170 01:24:30,889 --> 01:24:33,810 He'd been watching videos of games with Tito. 1171 01:24:33,932 --> 01:24:36,492 He said he wanted to try something different. 1172 01:24:36,612 --> 01:24:39,532 The red glasses are Barça, the others are Real Madrid. 1173 01:24:39,651 --> 01:24:41,172 Pep changed our system, 1174 01:24:41,293 --> 01:24:44,733 and told Henry to play between the right-back and center-back, 1175 01:24:44,853 --> 01:24:47,333 with Eto'o between the center-back and left-back. 1176 01:24:47,453 --> 01:24:51,214 Guardiola had analyzed the Madrid center-backs, 1177 01:24:51,334 --> 01:24:56,014 and noticed they never came out to press the number nine. 1178 01:24:58,132 --> 01:25:01,173 Thanks to the false nine, we outnumbered them in midfield ... 1179 01:25:01,293 --> 01:25:03,093 when Messi dropped back. 1180 01:25:03,214 --> 01:25:06,454 We always had an extra man. 1181 01:25:07,334 --> 01:25:11,214 Pep said we'd outnumber them throughout the entire game. 1182 01:25:11,293 --> 01:25:12,373 He was right. 1183 01:25:12,494 --> 01:25:14,134 We'd never played that way, 1184 01:25:15,733 --> 01:25:19,974 so Madrid hadn't studied the possibility of us playing like that. 1185 01:25:20,255 --> 01:25:22,735 The center-backs didn't know whether to mark me or not, 1186 01:25:22,855 --> 01:25:27,295 which meant I had lots of space when I dropped back. 1187 01:25:27,415 --> 01:25:30,216 And as soon as the defenders came out to close me down, 1188 01:25:30,336 --> 01:25:32,936 Eto'o and Henry made runs in behind. 1189 01:25:33,055 --> 01:25:35,455 That's what happened for Henry's first goal. 1190 01:25:35,575 --> 01:25:38,535 It was a great performance. 1191 01:25:38,655 --> 01:25:41,496 And it worked out because on that goal that Leo gave me ... 1192 01:25:41,616 --> 01:25:43,056 that's exactly what happened. 1193 01:25:43,176 --> 01:25:46,856 He was in a position where they didn't know if they have to come and get him, 1194 01:25:46,975 --> 01:25:50,416 but I'm running in behind, Sam was running on the other side, 1195 01:25:50,538 --> 01:25:51,938 and it worked out. 1196 01:25:55,817 --> 01:26:00,178 It wasn't so robotic because we also improvised. 1197 01:26:00,298 --> 01:26:02,378 Robots would be like, 1198 01:26:02,498 --> 01:26:06,097 "I. Go. Here. Now. I. Go. There." 1199 01:26:06,217 --> 01:26:09,018 No. There was always room to be creative. 1200 01:26:09,138 --> 01:26:16,018 But 60% of our match strategy was set in stone before kick-off. 1201 01:26:17,137 --> 01:26:20,018 The other 40% was down to our improvisations. 1202 01:26:26,019 --> 01:26:27,460 In the Champions League, 1203 01:26:27,578 --> 01:26:32,058 if it hadn't been for Iniesta's goal, we were out. 1204 01:26:32,179 --> 01:26:33,859 A 92nd-minute goal. 1205 01:26:45,499 --> 01:26:50,100 I was sat with the captain Carles Puyol, who was suspended. 1206 01:26:50,220 --> 01:26:51,620 Bam, Chelsea go 1-0 up. 1207 01:26:52,660 --> 01:26:53,900 And Puyol said to me, 1208 01:26:54,021 --> 01:26:58,662 "Don't worry, it's fine. We'll score at the end." 1209 01:26:58,782 --> 01:27:04,981 There I was watching it and I'm like, "Oh, my gosh ! We are gonna lose here." 1210 01:27:06,742 --> 01:27:08,542 The minutes kept ticking away, and I didn't have the nerve to say, 1211 01:27:08,662 --> 01:27:12,342 "Look skipper, you were wrong ! This ain't gonna happen !" 1212 01:27:14,541 --> 01:27:17,182 I knew that if we could just hold on, 1213 01:27:17,302 --> 01:27:22,942 because we were under the cosh, we'd definitely create one last chance. 1214 01:27:23,061 --> 01:27:26,422 And then little Andrés arrived to save the day. 1215 01:27:51,303 --> 01:27:55,903 Every time I watch that goal, it sparks so many emotions 1216 01:27:56,024 --> 01:28:00,104 because it was such a significant moment for my club. 1217 01:28:00,904 --> 01:28:03,305 I'll never get tired of watching it. 1218 01:28:04,786 --> 01:28:06,506 It's because of moments like this that we love football. 1219 01:28:09,424 --> 01:28:12,744 The only thing that beats it is sex. 1220 01:28:14,105 --> 01:28:15,425 That was the most important goal in this whole story. 1221 01:28:15,546 --> 01:28:17,866 If we hadn't reached that final in Rome, 1222 01:28:18,585 --> 01:28:21,425 we probably wouldn't still be talking about Pep's Barça. 1223 01:28:30,427 --> 01:28:31,787 I don't know how I played. 1224 01:28:36,147 --> 01:28:38,387 Iniesta ... I don't know how he played. 1225 01:28:38,867 --> 01:28:41,788 We were on a mission. We didn't want to let that one go. 1226 01:28:43,988 --> 01:28:46,068 We had a chance to win the treble. 1227 01:28:46,188 --> 01:28:50,227 We'd just gone through the drama of Stamford Bridge. 1228 01:28:51,628 --> 01:28:55,188 When we won the Champions League against Arsenal in Paris, 1229 01:28:55,307 --> 01:28:57,027 I wasn't picked to start. 1230 01:28:57,147 --> 01:28:59,987 So I had to play this time. 1231 01:29:00,107 --> 01:29:04,908 No matter the risk or possible consequences. 1232 01:29:06,189 --> 01:29:07,709 I advised him not to shoot powerfully from distance ... 1233 01:29:07,828 --> 01:29:14,069 because there was a big risk he'd tear his muscle again. 1234 01:29:14,189 --> 01:29:15,669 Yaya played center back. 1235 01:29:15,790 --> 01:29:18,670 Sylvinho wasn't even playing that season, he played. 1236 01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:20,190 Puyol played right back. 1237 01:29:20,309 --> 01:29:22,749 Some people were like, "Hmm, people are missing. 1238 01:29:22,869 --> 01:29:25,189 Two guys are starting injured." 1239 01:29:26,711 --> 01:29:28,471 We knew we'd win the game, because Pep told us we'd win. 1240 01:29:28,591 --> 01:29:30,232 Pep's a genius. 1241 01:29:30,350 --> 01:29:35,110 He'd tell us exactly what we needed to do in order to win. 1242 01:29:35,231 --> 01:29:36,631 I hope he will never change ... 1243 01:29:36,752 --> 01:29:41,513 because he is, for me, the future of the game. 1244 01:29:42,911 --> 01:29:44,311 Some matches looked impossible to win, 1245 01:29:44,432 --> 01:29:48,351 but after 20 minutes, we'd have them wrapped up, 1246 01:29:48,951 --> 01:29:52,552 like the game against Manchester United in Rome. 1247 01:29:52,991 --> 01:29:56,191 What manager would show you a video 1248 01:29:57,671 --> 01:29:59,232 five minutes before a Champions League final? 1249 01:29:59,313 --> 01:30:00,393 Only him. 1250 01:30:00,512 --> 01:30:04,472 We don't know what was happening. We go inside. There's a screen. 1251 01:30:05,312 --> 01:30:08,433 The boss asks us to stand in front of the screen, 1252 01:30:08,552 --> 01:30:10,672 and we are basically waiting. 1253 01:30:12,274 --> 01:30:14,474 Pep and Tito had made a spectacular video ... 1254 01:30:14,593 --> 01:30:16,393 featuring every single one of us. 1255 01:30:16,512 --> 01:30:19,593 With the music of Gladiator, I think it was. 1256 01:30:19,715 --> 01:30:23,435 We see the whole journey to the final. 1257 01:30:24,674 --> 01:30:28,395 Sad moments, good moments, struggles. 1258 01:30:31,434 --> 01:30:35,354 After Iniesta's goal at Stamford Bridge I got a text message from Pep ... 1259 01:30:35,475 --> 01:30:38,716 "I need your help to win the Champions League." 1260 01:30:38,835 --> 01:30:43,914 The first feedback I received was on the night before the game. 1261 01:30:44,034 --> 01:30:48,435 Pep gathered his technical staff and showed them the video. 1262 01:30:49,877 --> 01:30:50,997 As soon as I saw it, 1263 01:30:51,115 --> 01:30:54,315 I honestly knew we'd win the Champions League final. 1264 01:30:54,714 --> 01:31:00,035 It was so powerful. It was ... It was so powerful 1265 01:31:00,156 --> 01:31:04,196 that I would say, also, it was too powerful. 1266 01:31:05,757 --> 01:31:09,278 As a motivational tool, the video was a total disaster. 1267 01:31:09,396 --> 01:31:11,996 In the opening ten minutes, if it wasn't for Víctor ... 1268 01:31:17,078 --> 01:31:18,238 they'd have scored twice ! 1269 01:31:19,997 --> 01:31:21,757 The boss was very sentimental. 1270 01:31:22,117 --> 01:31:25,317 I went to the dressing room and was told I couldn't go in. 1271 01:31:25,399 --> 01:31:26,480 "What?" 1272 01:31:26,599 --> 01:31:28,839 They said the boss was preparing something. 1273 01:31:28,958 --> 01:31:31,638 When we finally got in, we had no time to prepare 1274 01:31:31,758 --> 01:31:32,958 and it was sweltering hot. 1275 01:31:33,079 --> 01:31:37,919 Then he showed us a video that had all of us in tears. 1276 01:31:38,998 --> 01:31:41,798 We went onto the pitch and Andrea Bocelli was singing, 1277 01:31:41,918 --> 01:31:43,718 which almost set us off again. 1278 01:31:43,839 --> 01:31:47,680 Manchester United must have wondered what was wrong with us. 1279 01:31:47,798 --> 01:31:50,878 We were in pieces. 1280 01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,280 After the video, he said, "Guys, at the end of the game, 1281 01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:57,160 "I want people to say that we can play football. 1282 01:31:58,279 --> 01:31:59,519 "Have a good game." 1283 01:32:19,482 --> 01:32:22,722 We went into the game believing we had a great chance of winning. 1284 01:32:22,841 --> 01:32:26,802 The first, might've been ten, 15 minutes, we started really well. 1285 01:32:26,923 --> 01:32:30,283 Probably out of nowhere, I've headed one down in midfield, 1286 01:32:30,402 --> 01:32:33,482 Iniesta's picked it up, made a run, and all of a sudden, 1287 01:32:33,601 --> 01:32:35,521 boom, Eto'o and you're one down. 1288 01:32:36,883 --> 01:32:39,123 Maybe from that moment on they just ... 1289 01:32:40,002 --> 01:32:42,723 That was what they needed. Take a deep breath, 1290 01:32:42,843 --> 01:32:44,763 just get the ball and start passing it, 1291 01:32:44,883 --> 01:32:47,163 and gradually, sucking the life out of us. 1292 01:32:47,284 --> 01:32:51,724 You know when you play against someone and you look in their eyes, 1293 01:32:51,843 --> 01:32:53,564 and it's over. 1294 01:32:53,683 --> 01:32:55,643 I think it was Wayne Rooney. 1295 01:32:55,764 --> 01:32:58,524 He was trying to get the ball and we were keeping the ball, 1296 01:32:58,643 --> 01:33:02,844 and you could see the look. He was defeated. 1297 01:33:02,965 --> 01:33:08,085 The quality they had, on the night, was too good for us. 1298 01:33:08,764 --> 01:33:11,284 That was the one, for us, that hurt the most. 1299 01:33:11,405 --> 01:33:14,045 It took me quite some time to get over that. 1300 01:33:15,766 --> 01:33:18,326 We knew it would be historic to win the treble in our first year 1301 01:33:18,445 --> 01:33:21,606 playing our brand of football, with the players we had. 1302 01:33:21,726 --> 01:33:25,726 And after Leo made it 2-0, we knew the trophy was ours. 1303 01:33:27,244 --> 01:33:29,284 It was exactly how I'd visualized it. 1304 01:33:29,926 --> 01:33:33,607 The ball looped over the goalkeeper and in. 1305 01:33:33,726 --> 01:33:36,166 It was an unforgettable moment. 1306 01:33:55,848 --> 01:33:59,408 It was a statement of greatness to begin your reign with a treble. 1307 01:33:59,528 --> 01:34:03,248 But the football reached its high point at Wembley in 2011, 1308 01:34:03,368 --> 01:34:07,048 before which, Johan Cruyff said that Guardiola should probably ... 1309 01:34:07,168 --> 01:34:08,888 walk away from the job ... 1310 01:34:09,008 --> 01:34:13,009 after three hugely intense years and ten trophies lifted. 1311 01:34:13,130 --> 01:34:15,130 Everything had come at a cost. 1312 01:34:15,248 --> 01:34:17,768 A significant part of that cost 1313 01:34:17,888 --> 01:34:21,289 was that Pep was now getting on far less well with his employers, 1314 01:34:21,410 --> 01:34:24,609 given that Joan Laporta had ended his presidential reign, 1315 01:34:24,728 --> 01:34:28,809 and the new guy, Sandro Rosell, had taken over. 1316 01:34:28,930 --> 01:34:33,610 In his final year, Guardiola was frustrated and tired. 1317 01:34:33,730 --> 01:34:36,930 Given the burnout that we saw in him in year four, 1318 01:34:37,050 --> 01:34:40,291 I'll bet you that Guardiola thinks that Cruyff had it exactly right. 1319 01:34:41,571 --> 01:34:42,851 Pep had become very uptight. 1320 01:34:42,970 --> 01:34:46,090 He stressed about things that hadn't bothered him before. 1321 01:34:46,211 --> 01:34:51,132 We played a pre-season game at the Dallas Cowboys stadium, 1322 01:34:52,651 --> 01:34:56,291 and I overheard Guardiola talking to Puyol and Piqué. 1323 01:34:56,731 --> 01:34:59,692 It was an unimportant pre-season friendly ... 1324 01:34:59,812 --> 01:35:04,612 but Guardiola raised his voice to them. 1325 01:35:05,771 --> 01:35:10,332 When I saw that, I said to Andrés Iniesta, 1326 01:35:10,453 --> 01:35:12,493 "He's leaving. This is his last year." 1327 01:35:14,693 --> 01:35:17,013 Even geniuses make mistakes and Pep definitely got that wrong ... 1328 01:35:17,133 --> 01:35:20,973 because it felt like we didn't matter to him anymore. 1329 01:35:22,453 --> 01:35:27,254 We didn't know what was going on with Pep, 1330 01:35:27,374 --> 01:35:31,614 which caused some uncertainty within the group. 1331 01:35:32,613 --> 01:35:36,774 Pep usually renewed his contract in February or March, 1332 01:35:36,893 --> 01:35:39,733 but February passed with no news. 1333 01:35:39,855 --> 01:35:43,655 Then March passed and we still didn't know anything. 1334 01:35:45,254 --> 01:35:47,535 I really struggled to understand what was happening. 1335 01:35:49,936 --> 01:35:54,576 And we had a few bust-ups about it. 1336 01:35:54,694 --> 01:35:58,615 That year, if Pep had told me to jump from the Camp Nou stands, 1337 01:35:58,736 --> 01:36:02,976 I'd have sprinted down the steps. I wouldn't have jumped ! 1338 01:36:04,455 --> 01:36:06,736 When you work with the same coaching staff for so long, 1339 01:36:06,856 --> 01:36:09,616 relationships change. 1340 01:36:09,735 --> 01:36:14,295 It's very difficult to maintain the dynamic and to keep on winning. 1341 01:36:14,416 --> 01:36:18,056 We won the Copa del Rey Final in his last game, 1342 01:36:18,176 --> 01:36:22,216 and it was the perfect end to his time with us. 1343 01:36:30,056 --> 01:36:34,017 That day everyone got to see the team he had built again. 1344 01:36:34,977 --> 01:36:37,817 After 30 minutes, we were leading 3-0 ... 1345 01:36:37,936 --> 01:36:44,377 against the best Athletic Bilbao side in years. 1346 01:36:44,938 --> 01:36:48,418 Signing off by winning the Copa del Rey in that style ... 1347 01:36:48,539 --> 01:36:52,259 on his last night in charge should have been the perfect send-off, 1348 01:36:52,378 --> 01:36:56,579 but he walked away with a distinctly bittersweet feeling. 1349 01:36:57,779 --> 01:37:02,099 Mostly because he felt ill-treated and under-appreciated. 1350 01:37:10,499 --> 01:37:15,660 My lasting memory of that cup final is a sense of sadness. 1351 01:37:15,779 --> 01:37:21,539 It was the end of something wonderful, so it's normal to feel sad. 1352 01:37:22,101 --> 01:37:24,821 But there was something else that troubled me. 1353 01:37:24,941 --> 01:37:30,901 The attempts to demolish and destroy everything we'd achieved. 1354 01:37:31,019 --> 01:37:34,700 I don't understand the motivation. Things had gone well and we'd won ! 1355 01:37:34,822 --> 01:37:38,142 Surely that's what you hold onto, that's what you remember. 1356 01:37:38,261 --> 01:37:42,422 But no, they didn't care about what we'd achieved. 1357 01:37:42,542 --> 01:37:46,982 All they did was focus on the negatives. 1358 01:37:47,703 --> 01:37:49,823 I think the club's got a problem. 1359 01:37:52,463 --> 01:37:53,903 Barça is a bit strange in that respect. 1360 01:37:54,022 --> 01:37:56,902 I've learned the most important thing in life is to be grateful ... 1361 01:37:57,024 --> 01:38:00,945 to the people who make a difference in your life. 1362 01:38:01,063 --> 01:38:05,062 After everything he'd done for the club, 1363 01:38:05,183 --> 01:38:08,463 Guardiola didn't get the recognition he deserved. 1364 01:38:15,304 --> 01:38:16,944 Announcing his departure at a press conference, 1365 01:38:17,062 --> 01:38:20,463 and then immediately revealing who would replace him ... 1366 01:38:20,585 --> 01:38:25,825 in front of the whole squad and the board members ... 1367 01:38:26,584 --> 01:38:30,105 I don't think it was the right way to say goodbye to the boss. 1368 01:38:32,426 --> 01:38:34,546 On the advice of the director of football, Andoni Zubizarreta, 1369 01:38:35,385 --> 01:38:37,745 and after consulting the board, 1370 01:38:37,866 --> 01:38:41,267 I can announce that the next Barça coach will be Tito Vilanova. 1371 01:38:44,465 --> 01:38:46,545 I think they should build a statue of Pep at the Camp Nou. 1372 01:38:47,667 --> 01:38:50,348 In the president's box. 1373 01:38:50,468 --> 01:38:52,068 That's what I think anyway. 1374 01:38:53,747 --> 01:38:55,787 The best way to remember Guardiola's Barça 1375 01:38:55,907 --> 01:38:58,707 is to put on a DVD and watch the matches we played 1376 01:38:58,827 --> 01:39:02,747 during his four seasons here as manager. 1377 01:39:12,546 --> 01:39:13,706 He invented a new way of playing. 1378 01:39:13,788 --> 01:39:15,988 He had a special group of players, 1379 01:39:16,108 --> 01:39:18,349 but he knew exactly what to do with them. 1380 01:39:18,988 --> 01:39:21,268 He followed the philosophy of his maestro, 1381 01:39:21,388 --> 01:39:23,388 the man who taught us all, Johan Cruyff. 1382 01:39:47,950 --> 01:39:49,630 It's a bit like the best cars. 1383 01:39:49,750 --> 01:39:52,670 Cruyff was the first great model, the Mark 1 1384 01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:54,349 and Pep is the Mark 2. 1385 01:39:56,950 --> 01:40:02,790 But I think Xavi will be in the same league 1386 01:40:02,910 --> 01:40:04,870 when he returns as coach. 1387 01:40:04,990 --> 01:40:10,591 When he comes back, he'll be the Mark 3. 1388 01:40:12,032 --> 01:40:16,313 In my father's mind, he was always el listo de la clase, 1389 01:40:16,431 --> 01:40:19,711 the intelligent one of the class, the clever guy. 1390 01:40:19,832 --> 01:40:22,112 The only problem will be that when already now ... 1391 01:40:22,233 --> 01:40:25,674 everybody is pumping this up, then the pressure's too high. 1392 01:40:26,032 --> 01:40:28,392 But if he follows his way, little by little, 1393 01:40:28,512 --> 01:40:30,872 calm, like Pep did, then you're ready for it. 1394 01:40:30,993 --> 01:40:33,913 And I hope Xavi one day will do that. 1395 01:40:35,274 --> 01:40:36,594 Barça's future needs to be in the hands ... 1396 01:40:36,713 --> 01:40:42,793 of someone with Xavi's talent and vision. 1397 01:40:45,834 --> 01:40:50,553 I've got no doubt that he'll be back as a coach one day. 1398 01:40:50,673 --> 01:40:54,954 He deserves the chance ... 1399 01:40:55,075 --> 01:40:57,195 because of the type of player he was here. 1400 01:40:57,315 --> 01:40:59,475 He'll make an amazing manager. 1401 01:40:59,593 --> 01:41:02,993 As a player he saw the whole picture from the pitch. 1402 01:41:03,115 --> 01:41:05,755 I'm sure from the side-lines, he'll see it even clearer. 1403 01:41:05,875 --> 01:41:07,395 He'll be back one day. 1404 01:41:07,516 --> 01:41:12,957 I don't know when but he wants to come back. 1405 01:41:13,076 --> 01:41:18,076 And he has the same football philosophy as Pep. 1406 01:41:20,276 --> 01:41:21,836 The world is watching us because they see we're different. 1407 01:41:21,955 --> 01:41:24,556 And they're right, we are. 1408 01:41:24,676 --> 01:41:27,356 But now we have a huge responsibility 1409 01:41:27,475 --> 01:41:30,555 to ensure that all of this continues to grow. 1410 01:41:33,718 --> 01:41:37,078 The one thing that has never changed 1411 01:41:37,196 --> 01:41:41,957 in all my years here is the way we play football. 1412 01:41:42,598 --> 01:41:47,957 Players come and go, but the philosophy never changes. 1413 01:41:49,797 --> 01:41:51,278 We believe in this philosophy, 1414 01:41:51,398 --> 01:41:56,318 which is improved every year and by each Barça manager. 1415 01:41:56,438 --> 01:41:58,358 But the day things start to go wrong, 1416 01:41:58,478 --> 01:42:01,719 and let's hope that isn't for another 200 years, 1417 01:42:01,839 --> 01:42:04,679 but if it happens, we must never consider ... 1418 01:42:04,798 --> 01:42:07,518 changing our playing style. 1419 01:42:07,638 --> 01:42:10,999 Our unique philosophy should never change. Never. 1420 01:42:46,762 --> 01:42:47,962 This documentary can't end ... 1421 01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:51,761 without asking you about your memories of those four years. 1422 01:42:53,921 --> 01:42:58,241 When I think about that time it fills me with nostalgia and happiness. 1423 01:42:59,243 --> 01:43:03,723 In my opinion, during those four years, 1424 01:43:03,842 --> 01:43:09,123 all the stars aligned at the perfect moment. 1425 01:43:09,724 --> 01:43:15,484 The fundamental reason for the success was the immense talent of those players. 1426 01:43:16,922 --> 01:43:18,563 It's them who have to perform. 1427 01:43:18,683 --> 01:43:22,883 I like to use golf as an example, because as managers we're caddies. 1428 01:43:23,004 --> 01:43:26,924 We hand the club to the player, but they get the ball on the green, 1429 01:43:27,043 --> 01:43:28,364 and put it in the hole. 1430 01:43:42,443 --> 01:43:45,083 Everyone played their part and everyone knew their role. 1431 01:43:45,205 --> 01:43:48,686 They all knew Messi was the best and no one wanted to take his crown. 1432 01:43:48,805 --> 01:43:52,165 The home-grown players had very important roles. 1433 01:43:52,284 --> 01:43:54,524 The foreign players played their part too. 1434 01:43:54,644 --> 01:43:58,325 It all unfolded naturally without having to tell players, 1435 01:43:59,086 --> 01:44:04,806 "You have to do this or you have to do that." 1436 01:44:05,367 --> 01:44:08,568 The roles within the group were shared out, 1437 01:44:08,687 --> 01:44:11,127 and if anyone didn't like it, they left. 1438 01:44:12,366 --> 01:44:18,247 That was how we built something special and kept it going for so long. 1439 01:44:30,007 --> 01:44:31,047 I think we provoked an emotional reaction. 1440 01:44:31,168 --> 01:44:35,729 When you remember titles, really they're just numbers 1441 01:44:35,850 --> 01:44:37,170 and nothing more. 1442 01:44:37,288 --> 01:44:42,168 But there were a lot of people who really loved watching us play. 1443 01:44:58,930 --> 01:45:00,410 We all remember the two Champions League finals, 1444 01:45:00,529 --> 01:45:01,849 especially the second one. 1445 01:45:02,370 --> 01:45:05,411 For around 20-25 minutes, 1446 01:45:05,530 --> 01:45:10,050 from the 46th minute until our third, we were tremendous. 1447 01:45:10,171 --> 01:45:14,132 That was a perfect illustration of how we wanted them to play. 1448 01:45:14,252 --> 01:45:18,052 We were a young group of coaches ... 1449 01:45:18,811 --> 01:45:21,491 trying to convince a team of unique players ... 1450 01:45:22,691 --> 01:45:26,931 to do something different and it worked well for four years. 1451 01:45:34,373 --> 01:45:36,813 People become managers for all kinds of different reasons. 1452 01:45:36,933 --> 01:45:39,173 My motivation is tactics. 1453 01:45:39,291 --> 01:45:41,211 That's why I became a coach, 1454 01:45:41,571 --> 01:45:44,572 to dissect the game and find solutions. 1455 01:45:45,453 --> 01:45:46,613 The basic concept, 1456 01:45:46,732 --> 01:45:53,733 which Johan Cruyff injected into our veins ... 1457 01:45:54,293 --> 01:45:56,853 many years ago, 1458 01:45:56,973 --> 01:46:00,933 was that doing the simple things well gave you a 75% chance of winning. 1459 01:46:01,053 --> 01:46:03,814 And one of the simplest things is passing the ball. 1460 01:46:03,934 --> 01:46:06,134 After that, things get more complicated. 1461 01:46:06,254 --> 01:46:08,614 But the pass is what unites the group. 1462 01:46:09,413 --> 01:46:13,934 The ball is moved around the pitch from one player to another. 1463 01:46:14,055 --> 01:46:18,655 Everyone participates in the game plan by making that pass. 1464 01:46:19,134 --> 01:46:22,894 That's what we worked on from day one. 1465 01:46:36,415 --> 01:46:39,535 I'm often asked if it was the greatest team ever ... 1466 01:46:39,655 --> 01:46:41,376 or one of the greatest. 1467 01:46:41,497 --> 01:46:46,097 And it's a question that doesn't have an answer. 1468 01:46:46,216 --> 01:46:50,577 It's like a new book that's published, is it good or not? 1469 01:46:50,698 --> 01:46:54,058 Or a new film that premieres, is it any good? 1470 01:46:54,177 --> 01:46:56,017 We'll know the answer in 25 years. 1471 01:46:56,138 --> 01:46:58,778 It depends if people are still talking about us. 1472 01:46:58,898 --> 01:47:02,459 If after 25 years we're still taking about a book, it's good. 1473 01:47:02,577 --> 01:47:05,337 If we're still watching a film in 25 years time, it must be good. 1474 01:47:05,457 --> 01:47:07,137 The same will happen with our team. 1475 01:47:07,258 --> 01:47:12,779 But were we better than Sacchi's Milan or Pelé's Brazil, or Johan's Ajax? 1476 01:47:13,298 --> 01:47:17,697 Everyone will have their opinion, 1477 01:47:17,817 --> 01:47:21,818 which they'll defend passionately. 1478 01:47:21,938 --> 01:47:24,378 I would tell you that my team was brilliant, 1479 01:47:24,499 --> 01:47:27,459 but Johan would argue that his team was better. 1480 01:47:27,579 --> 01:47:31,020 And Arrigo Sacchi would say the same about his Milan side. 1481 01:47:31,138 --> 01:47:32,458 And we'd all be in the right. 1482 01:47:32,579 --> 01:47:35,019 But if they remember us in 25 years time, 1483 01:47:35,139 --> 01:47:37,259 they won't talk about the titles we won, 1484 01:47:37,380 --> 01:47:38,861 they'll talk about how we played. 1485 01:47:39,180 --> 01:47:42,540 If they remember us, it's because they enjoyed watching us. 1486 01:47:42,660 --> 01:47:47,140 But that's the big mystery. 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