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Even though he was a racist, he didn't necessarily falsify evidence,

but if there is evidence of it, it should affect the case.

He doesn't follow through on his lies.

Once upon a time Johnnie Cochran asked a question,

and I was thinking the same thing.

The jurors must be thinking too. That's not good.

However, I thought they couldn't ignore DNA.

DNA evidence should have been enough.

It was 1994, and we had brand new DNA analysis at our disposal.

Our ability to obtain information about blood has evolved -

With the development of DNA tests.

The only question is whether the jury will believe it.

OJ walked between two bodies -

transferring blood and DNA -

From Ron to Nicole, from Nicole to Ron and herself.

It is called a two-way transfer.

OJ's belongings had the blood of the victims -

and OJ's blood was on the victims' belongings.

At first glance, it looks pretty accusatory.

DNA from three different people was found in the Bronco parked at OJ's house.

The bloodstain on the dashboard matches -

to the blood mixture of the accused, Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown.

How would he have gotten the victims' blood if he wasn't at the crime scene?

My brother's DNA was in a place where it shouldn't be.

Nicole's DNA can be explained because they had been together.

Maybe the kids got out of the car and...

But how my brother's fibers were in the killer,

in his hat, glove and car?

The socks had been hastily thrown in front of the accused's bed.

A bloodstain matched the accused.

The bloodstain on the other side matched Nicole.

OJ Simpson's blood was found at both the crime scene -

that about the bloody glove at his house.

It was compatible -

With the blood mixture of Simpson, Brown, and Goldman.

Blood was found in several places,

so there was no doubt that OJ had been there,

fled the scene -

and was a murderer.

That is the purpose of DNA testing.

BLOOD TRACE CONNECTION

SIMPSON IS LINKED TO THE MURDER

DNA TEST DESTRUCTION

You can just say, "I think he did it."

He is guilty. There is a lot of evidence.

OJ said, "I believe in DNA, Mike. I see the evidence."

They have evidence of me. I can't explain this.

"Wouldn't I know if I did it?"

I remember thinking, "I don't know what you would know and what you wouldn't."

At that point I thought maybe he did it.

Are you considering an appeal because of the DNA results?

Are you kidding? Absolutely not.

If the DNA test is done well and presented responsibly,

it can be really powerful.

However, no matter how definitive the DNA test is,

if you don't know whether the DNA in the sample comes from where you think it comes from.

There was a lot of tampering and gross negligence.

JUDGMENT

After the murders -

all news organizations covered the collection of samples -

from different angles and with different cameras.

Peter and Barry watched hundreds of hours of footage from the crime scene.

Barry tried to figure out how the evidence was collected.

He had much more experience in many small ways,

which may contaminate evidence.

It was clear that Fung and the other crime scene investigators -

did not follow the protocol.

They are not trained enough,

so they could understand how a small amount of biological material -

may cause problems in tests.

We had to tell them that Fung was either dishonest or incompetent.

When Dennis Fung began to be cross-examined about the evidence collection,

the defense began to account for the LAPD.

APRIL 4, 1995 DAY 47

This is Dennis Fung. DENNIS FUNG.

Good afternoon, Mr. Fung.

Scheck is a tough street fighter and a general defender of the Bronx.

He said, "We're using the Bronx defense."

It appeals to lower-class jurors who shy away from the police.

Do you believe that the role of a crime scene investigator is to preserve the integrity of evidence?

That's one of the roles. Yes.

Does that mean that your job is to make sure that

that the evidence is not contaminated?

Yes.

I didn't like Barry Scheck. He was aggressive,

and I didn't think the jurors would believe him.

I urged OJ to fire him.

OJ said he liked her.

OJ was right.

When you arrived at the crime scene,

You saw the blanket over Nicole Brown Simpson's body.

Did you ask where the blanket came from?

In.

Do you know where the blanket came from? -I guess from inside the house.

Do you know if there are any evidence marks on the blanket or sheet?

Any traces? -From Brown's body.

I can't know what was in the blanket.

There was no other way to protect the evidence.

Was Mr. Goldman's body eventually placed on a blanket?

Yes.

It creates the possibility of moving items from the house to the crime scene.

No matter what…

OJ's hair might have been on the blanket.

That's a terrible mistake from a crime scene investigator's perspective.

It would have been better to avoid it.

If I hadn't done that, what else would I have been criticized for?

"Why didn't you protect the body? That's proof."

We wanted to develop a story about...

that the detectives and forensic technicians had made mistakes.

They were incompetent.

Officer Riske. I'll show you Exhibit 56.

Two photos.

Look at the envelope in these two different photos.

Do you see the stone? -Yes.

Is the envelope on the other side? -Yes.

Can you explain how the shell moved? -No.

Don't you? -No.

A good lawyer can change even the smallest mistake -

into something unrecognizable.

Do mistakes happen? Yes.

So should we abandon everything?

No.

Didn't you see the glove in any other position?

before it was collected?

I don't remember it being in a different position.

Some evidence supported the theory of staging the objects.

The fingers of the glove point towards the tennis shoe.

Do you see? -Yes.

Do you see in the next piece of evidence that the corner of the glove -

now pointing in the other direction?

Yes.

And that the fingers of the glove are now pointing in a different direction?

Yes. -It has been moved.

Do you see that? -Yes.

Were you there when it happened? - No.

That is very important.

Now we had undeniable proof that evidence was being moved.

Evidence ended up in the wrong places.

That wasn't a good thing.

However, I figured that science cannot be denied.

It is easy to transfer biological material from one object to another.

If you don't have gloves, it could be on your finger.

If you have gloves, it can be in the glove.

When you gather evidence,

you don't touch it with your bare hands.

I'm trying.

You try not to do that. That would be wrong.

If we look for fingerprints.

He admitted that it would be wrong to collect evidence without gloves -

and denied having done so.

Did you touch the envelope with your bare hands when you collected it, Mr. Fung?

In.

Are you sure? -Yes.

Are you completely free from doubt about that? -Yes.

Your Honor, I would like to show you this recording.

There!

How does it look, Mr. Fung?

He was shown a picture of him holding a spectacle case -

with bare hands.

A classic saying…

How does it look, Mr. Fung?

Shall I show it again in slow motion?

It's not necessary. -Okay.

What you said earlier was not true.

I remembered that at that moment.

Dennis Fung admitted he was wrong.

That was the basis for our claim of contamination,

which we used to fight against the large amount of DNA evidence.

He got caught.

Fung was an inexperienced witness.

He wasn't used to being blamed.

Barry Scheck offered jurors a reason not to believe the forensic evidence.

He nailed it impressively.

The most important evidence at the crime scene is a sample from the back gate,

which contains large amounts of OJ's DNA.

Something had to be done about it.

Scheck pointed out that the blood at the back gate -

had not been collected after the crime but only two weeks later.

Why? I don't know.

Maybe they got tired.

That feels like a really important thing.

Scheck said, “Two weeks went by, and they had OJ’s blood sample.

"Someone could have put blood on the gate."

It's hard to claim that if there are pictures of it the day after the crime.

Scheck said, "Let's show the pictures."

JULY 3, 1994

We looked at the pictures after the crime…

JUNE 13, 1994

…and we were surprised to see that the pictures didn't show -

bloodstain collected two weeks later.

At the point where the blood sample was reportedly collected later,

there was no blood.

It took my feet off.

Do you see Exhibit 116?

Yes. -A drop of blood on the back gate.

Yes. -You saw it on July 3rd.

Yes.

Let's look at the picture from June 13th.

Where is it, Mr. Fung?

I don't see it in the photo.

Fung got about 99.9 percent of the blood. That's pretty good.

It is one of the most famous moments of the trial.

Where was it? Nobody knows.

There are questions about whether evidence was tampered with.

They are relevant.

ACCUSES OF STAGE-MAKING

The person who was responsible for OJ's blood sample,

could have put blood in the back gate.

There is a preservative in the test tubes -

called EDTA.

It is an anticoagulant.

If OJ Simpson's blood sample had been put in the port,

it would have contained traces of EDTA.

In the blood on the gate, which had not been seen for three weeks before -

at the time of the murders -

had more EDTA than any other sample.

The prosecutor's own test found EDTA.

What else is needed?

EDTA is found in liquid detergents.

It's also in the paint.

The back gate had been painted at some point.

Garbage.

Scientific studies do not suggest that it could have come from paint.

OJ also offered a sample of his own blood.

Detective Vannatter had carried it around Los Angeles.

He had no reason to take a blood sample -

to the crime scene and then to Rockingham, before handing it over.

The whole thing was suspicious.

How many times have you taken blood from Parker Center to a crime scene?

This might have been the first time.

I don't know.

I can't remember any other times at the moment.

I decided to take it to the crime scene investigator myself,

who handled the evidence.

Where was he? - In Rockingham.

I drove straight to Rockingham and immediately gave blood to the crime scene investigator,

who was about to leave.

Have you ever been in a situation where

where the detective has obtained a blood sample from the suspect -

and instead of leaving it at the sampling site,

He brought it all the way to the crime scene?

I…

I don't remember anything like that.

I think the sock was one of the key pieces of evidence.

I received a call one day from an anonymous source.

"Test the socks. They were brought there."

Tests revealed that the blood in the sock -

had more EDTA than other samples -

except for the blood on the gate.

The sock had been examined three times, and no blood was found.

Suddenly, however, the prosecutor found a large bloodstain with Nicole's DNA.

The prosecutor argued: “It’s hard to notice blood in a black sock.

It was just human error."

Scheck showed the sock to the jurors.

Show the first juror and then the other jurors -

the part of the bloodstain that you saw with the naked eye.

They stared open-mouthed. "Oh my God."

From the jurors' perspective, the bloodstain was clearly visible.

It was wrinkled and had a very visible stain.

The thought that the stain would not have been noticed in three examinations,

was garbage.

I will go to my grave believing...

I don't know who did it, but I think...

that someone put the blood in the sock,

who wanted OJ convicted of murder.

Do you believe the blood was put in the sock?

That's likely.

I believe someone had tampered with it.

BLOOD WAS NOTICED WEEKS LATER

BLOOD EVIDENCE IS CONSIDERED

I didn't know Dennis Fung would be booed like that.

He collapsed.

I'm not sure.

I don't remember that.

I don't remember that.

I don't remember.

The defense does not have to prove that the evidence was tampered with.

All that was needed was to prove its possibility to arouse suspicion.

The only problem with DNA evidence was the method of collection and its treatment.

That's where the problems arose.

The jurors clearly understood that there were problems with the evidence,

and they began to suspect that there were problems with the prosecutor's case as well.

I started to think we had a chance.

It was all a delusion.

Nothing Fung does undermines the integrity of the evidence.

It was about DNA. New blood tests would lead back to OJ.

Our case is very convincing as far as science is concerned.

The defense has made accusations that are empty and unfounded.

The most significant thing was that

that after rising from the witness stand...

APRIL 18, 1994

...he shook hands with the lawyers.

FUNG SHARES OJ'S HAND

When Dennis Fung shook hands with the defense,

it felt like surrender.

Like Stockholm Syndrome, where you identify with the persecutor.

Maybe he realized the defense was talking about it.

Fung reportedly told Barry Scheck:

"You owe me a beer."

We were just doing our job, and I think he understood that.

Outside, reporters were hounding Fung…

Green light!

Even the media couldn't extinguish the joy that it was all over now.

Marcia believed early on that DNA evidence was enough -

to judge anyone.

He was right, but I've said it many times,

that there can never be too much evidence or witnesses in a murder case.

The prosecutor was unable to answer the question:

"Where is the murder weapon?"

The only thing the prosecutor didn't have was the murder weapon.

That's a legitimate question.

I always thought he threw it away at LAX airport.

I was told I would become a witness immediately,

when the DNA evidence is ready.

It went on for several weeks. Marcia Clark didn't call me.

What was in the bag that OJ stuffed into the trash can in front of the witness?

Marcia knew about it but said it was a one-on-one situation.

She couldn't confirm the man's words.

That's not true, because the limo driver also saw the bag.

He had a sailor's bag over his shoulder.

What was in the bag?

Was it related to the murder of two people?

It is very possible.

When I think about that night, it's pretty clear,

that I saw him destroy the murder weapon.

NO MURDER WEAPON FOUND

I did not question Marcia Clark's decision.

However, our evidence was undermined time and again.

I thought our ship was sinking.

It was already half underwater.

We could only hope for a miracle.

However, we had one of the most important pieces of evidence in the case.

In a glove.

Bloody gloves are very incriminating -

and damage the defense.

The tag says "Aris Leathers by Isotoner, large, cashmere lined."

I'm trying to win.

I sometimes act unusually,

if it helps the case.

You could see in the courtroom that Darden was preparing for it.

It was a quick meeting.

Johnnie returned.

“They’re putting OJ to the test.

"Don't react."

We didn't know what the hell was going to happen.

I promised my father I wouldn't do anything controversial.

Then I did so.

Marcia Clark leaned back in her chair.

He understood the consequences if the kidnapping failed.

We ask OJ Simpson to come forward -

and to match the gloves found on Bundy Drive and Rockingham.

The most important rule of trial is,

that you shouldn't ask something you don't already know the answer to.

This is especially important when it comes to observational presentation.

What did I think was going to happen?

That it would fit? I already knew that.

The judge required latex gloves due to the risk of infection and blood.

I give Mr. Simpson's left glove from Rockingham.

Exhibit 77.

I said, "If you're worried, don't take your arthritis medication."

He said, "If I don't take the medicine,

"My knuckles are swelling." And I said...

Mr. Simpson seems to have difficulty putting on the glove.

Objection.

Accepted.

It was clear that it wouldn't fit.

OJ was like in Naked Gun.

He would give a presentation.

Now.

Give!

He pretended to pull it.

I was sitting there, and he was talking to the jurors.

Undersized.

He shouldn't have spoken.

It was a performance.

It was a murder glove that didn't fit the murderer's hands.

The image of that stuck in everyone's mind.

THE GLOVE DOESN'T FIT

THE JURY STARED

OJ made the most of it, and it was a disaster.

Chris rolled the dice and lost.

It was a rookie mistake with big consequences.

It backfired badly.

Lee Bailey said until his death,

that he encouraged Chris to try the glove.

With words like:

"You don't dare. You're as scared as a field mouse."

I don't think I was tricked into it.

I did it.

Why on earth were they told to try on gloves?

over latex gloves?

The shrinkage also had an effect.

The gloves had shrunk in the humidity.

DARDEN KNOWS THE REASON

The jury understands that latex gloves -

and the defendant's poor acting -

resulted in the gloves not fitting.

They didn't fit like my gloves fit my hands -

and how they suited OJ Simpson in the past.

I had seen pictures of him.

He had short fingers,

and his fingers wouldn't have filled the entire glove.

Prosecutors won't leave the gloves alone.

They demand NBC Sports footage of football games.

Is the glove worn by the defendant in these pictures model number 70263?

On.

Too little too late.

It was the biggest mistake in the history of televised trials -

and the most dramatic moment of my entire life.

The gloves on Rockingham and Bundy Drive don't fit.

Do you understand? They don't fit.

They never fit. Bye!

It feels terrible what kind of burden Chris Darden was given.

Christopher Darden and the glove are together forever.

When I die, bury me with Isotoner gloves.

That's right!

JULY 6, 1995 DAY 105

After over 300 hours of testimony and 58 witnesses -

The prosecutor in the OJ Simpson trial concluded his case.

The defense begins Monday morning.

We'll get straight to the point. Quick witnesses...

When the defense took over,

we had several ready witnesses,

who would speak out against Fuhrman.

They would question his credibility -

and indirectly everything he did.

I have to remember what Lee had asked.

So you're saying you haven't used that word in ten years?

Yes.

If someone else claims so...

...is he lying?

Yes.

"All of them?"

-All of them? -All of them.

We had heard from investigators and other witnesses -

About Fuhrman's racist attitudes.

He had been reported to have used the N-word.

We laid the foundation for the phrase: "You never said that:"

Bailey prepared Fuhrman -

but had no idea how strong the evidence of lying would be.

One of our investigators got a tip that there were tapes of Mark Fuhrman.

One of the clichés of Los Angeles is that everyone writes a screenplay.

Mark Fuhrman didn't do that.

However, one of his female friends wrote something like this:

and there are recordings of their conversation -

About Fuhrman's life as a police officer.

When F. Lee Bailey cross-examined Mark Fuhrman,

no one knew about the tapes.

People were amazed. It was unusual.

I like police work.

It is not based on rules but on feeling.

The rules will be invented later.

Mark Fuhrman talked about violent and evil things,

which he did to colored prisoners or suspects.

The tapes referred several times to the fact that

that he used the N-word.

It's not good for us.

If it were to become public, the trial would be turned upside down.

The case was now based entirely on race.

Johnnie was very spiritual.

It was manna from heaven,

with which we would prove OJ Simpson's innocence.

Before Judge Ito issued the official decision,

he allowed the hearing without a jury,

so we could play the tapes.

That was his concession to the media and the public.

We were there for half a day -

and we played tape after tape.

Leave the old station, Ed.

It reeks of beaten and killed niggers.

The first six sentences of the Negro are a lie.

The tapes were shocking to listen to.

Not surprising.

We knew early on that Fuhrman is a racist.

Now we heard it.

Negroes are easy. I practice my kicks on them.

Have you tried looking for a bruise on a black person? Pretty difficult.

His speech resonated with ancient stories.

It represented victims of abuse.

The tapes were a confirmation to the public,

that the LAPD is racist and employs racist police officers,

who use racist tactics.

A couple hundred Negroes tried to be taken prisoner.

He had to be beaten to death.

We tortured them.

We broke several bones.

The faces were slushy.

When I heard how mean he sounded on the tapes -

and enjoyed torturing young suspects,

I felt disgust.

It would be nice to hear how Fuhrman justified his words.

We stopped strangling because some niggers -

there are organizations in the south,

because we have killed 12 niggers in ten years.

Truly exceptional.

Laura Hart McKinney wrote the scripts.

I asked if he had written about the police.

Something really edgy.

I had been working long enough -

to see and hear many stories,

and he cared a lot about it.

Is anything true?

It wasn't real life or interaction with people.

I tried to give him something to write about.

Do you consider yourself a racist?

I can't deny that.

I can't...

I can't undo what happened.

If someone calls me racist, I can't argue against it.

It doesn't matter if it was a script.

I don't like it.

Am I trying to claim that I'm not like that? No.

It's unfair to anyone to even ask that.

We didn't know about the tapes.

Should he have told you? -We didn't know about them.

Many hours of tapes were evidence,

but how much would the jury get to hear?

This changes everything.

This is explosive.

This is perhaps the biggest thing that has happened this decade,

and they have to admit it.

They're doing everything they can to smear Mark Fuhrman -

with his cunning attempt to mislead the jury about the evidence -

and manipulate them.

They know they have failed.

They can't change Mark Fuhrman.

The point is clear. He has committed perjury.

We were in the office when a copy of Ito's order -

faxed to our office.

There were at least more than 20 or 30 points,

but Ito only allowed two.

TWO INSULTS

Johnnie was so angry that he held a press conference.

It's outrageous that we have to put up with this.

This decision cannot be explained.

OJ Simpson is being falsely accused, and we believe he was framed.

The secrecy continues. -"The secrecy continues."

Those were powerful words.

He is one of the most disgusting people I have ever had to listen to.

Johnnie Cochran defended his client in the best way possible.

Release the Fuhrman tapes! Judge Ito is unfair!

His method in this case and in many others -

was to sue the LAPD. -Sue.

He argues that racism should be the most important thing,

what is being paid attention to in the courtroom.

That our country should only think about that.

Are all police officers racists who falsify evidence and lie?

No.

Fuhrman would make us look like that.

Because of racism, we should give up all reason -

and free the murderer.

If OJ Simpson is wrongly convicted,

that can be done for all black people in America.

Sometimes they lie.

Sometimes they do worse than lie.

If they lie to convict someone they believe is guilty -

and win, none of us are safe.

I was called back to testify.

I had a lawyer.

He advised me…

"Let's call Marcia Clark. Let's see how she reacts."

I left messages for Marcia.

"Marcia. Talk to me."

"I will fall on my sword for you. Speak to me."

Nobody spoke.

When he returned to testify, he had a private lawyer.

He didn't contact us.

At least not to me.

I was abandoned in the middle of the ocean.

I was alone.

My lawyer said:

"If the prosecutor makes no objection and asks no questions,

"You are doomed."

In Latin, there is an expression "sui generis." The only one of its kind.

Everything went quiet when he entered the courtroom.

SEPTEMBER 6, 1995 DAY 144

Dead quiet.

Completely.

I tried to make eye contact with Marcia Clark, but to no avail.

I don't know what I expected him to do.

Detective Fuhrman. Was the testimony you gave -

at the preliminary hearing completely truthful?

I want to exercise my Fifth Amendment rights.

Have you ever falsified a police report?

I want to exercise my Fifth Amendment rights.

I had never seen a police officer decide to remain silent.

It will be remembered for a long time.

Police officers do not break their oath in murder cases -

and do not exercise their right to remain silent.

My lawyer advised me to do so,

because prosecutor Marcia Clark would not participate in the testimony.

Detective Fuhrman. Did you tamper with the evidence in this case?

I am exercising my Fifth Amendment rights.

"Did you ever falsify evidence?"

He didn't answer.

We caught him on the top of the hill.

He couldn't say anything.

The fifth amendment was the real dot on the i.

We caught him!

When he didn't answer the question about falsifying evidence, I thought:

"It was almost like yes."

I got nervous then. Everything he said was tainted.

We came here seven months ago, waiting for justice.

My son had that right.

It's Fuhrman who's on trial now, not OJ Simpson,

who is accused of murdering my son and Nicole.

"What are we doing here?"

I was confused because we were discussing things...

who were not involved in the case in any way.

Johnnie Cochran was smart -

and found Achilles' heel.

He kicked, stomped, and twisted it, and figured out a way to utilize it.

JUDGE FUHRMAN

Johnnie Cochran saw racial division.

The tunnel that separated the whites and the blacks, and he rushed through it.

What else does anyone need to understand,

that we have demonstrated the man's motive and opportunity,

and now he has refused to talk.

OJ free!

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT GUILTY

TRUTH AND TAPES

CORRUPTION

I resigned before I was fired.

I wanted to secure my pension,

because I didn't trust what the department would do -

and what the chief would do.

That's why I left.

At 7:30 in the morning I snuck into Parker Center.

I took the freight elevator to the personnel department, picked up my last paycheck -

and I stamped my badge with "retired".

I walked along the corridor.

I glanced up, and we saw each other at the same time.

He said, "Hi, Ron."

I greeted him, and he ran to me and hugged me.

He didn't let go.

I asked what on earth he was doing.

He said, “Where’s the camera when you need it?

Here is a good black man."

He said so.

I replied to that: "You are a sick man."

Mr. Simpson wants to testify.

He wants to fix the situation and is not hiding anything.

He considered himself the best person to prove his innocence.

However, he would have to endure days of cross-examination.

Johnnie's strong character was enough to prevent him from testifying,

even though he wanted it.

Good morning, Your Honor.

Although I would like to correct some misinformation -

about me, Nicole and our life together,

I am aware of the jurors' state of mind and stamina.

In a way, he testified and swayed the jurors.

I firmly believe that they will come to that conclusion,

that I did not commit this crime and could not have committed it.

I have four children. I haven't seen two of them in a year.

They ask every week, "How much longer, Dad?"

SEPTEMBER 26, 1995 8 MONTHS FROM THE START OF THE TRIAL

Everything is based on evidence,

and the evidence shaped the route to the closing statement.

Mr. Cochran has been vocal for the past 12 months.

Okay, Johnny.

They have unfounded accusations of conspiracy and contamination.

Now is the time for the show.

FINAL ACTION

DECISION TALK BEGINNING

ACTIVITIES ON WEDNESDAY

From the first orders from LAPD leadership -

they were more concerned about their image -

and public opinion -

than professional police work.

Johnnie looked at each juror.

Your job as jurors is to ignore the distractions -

and determine what evidence will help you answer the question.

Marcia presented facts and Johnnie appealed to emotions.

Who then supervises the police?

You control them with your judgment.

You are sending a message.

Johnnie Cochran kept talking about the message.

"It's a message about the racial inequality in our system."

He made the jurors believe they were torchbearers.

Your verdict speaks volumes about justice in America and whether the police are above the law.

It would be tragic if you found the accused innocent despite everything -

because of the racist attitudes of one police officer.

I was forbidden from giving the closing speech -

or from participating in it because of the gloves.

I was left aside.

Like a brat.

I opposed it.

Then I prepared to resign from the district attorney's office.

Then I was allowed to give the closing remarks.

They blame the police and the prosecutor.

They point their fingers and create a smokescreen.

That's what they've done here.

Just a blur.

Mark Fuhrman is a liar…

Did he lie?

...an oath-breaker... -Yes.

...a racist who murders people.

Is he the scum of the LAPD?

Yes.

Detective Fuhrman said,

that he would really like to -

gather all the niggers together and kill them.

That doesn't mean we didn't prove the defendant's guilt.

You can reject the entire certificate -

and everything Fuhrman said, including the glove.

Remember, if they can't explain the evidence otherwise,

they resort to stories of contamination and distortion.

Johnnie was smart enough to realize that a good ending -

required a careful analysis of scientific evidence.

Scheck focused on science.

Contaminated, compromised and corrupted.

The theory of false evidence is ridiculous.

Something else fits with the modus operandi and the forensic evidence.

I mean cover-up.

The staged bloodstain would be brought close to the time of collection -

and would not hope to find it later.

Someone tampered with the evidence, there's no doubt about it.

It's good to keep in mind that closing speeches are nonsense.

Stop the secrecy.

If you don't do it, then who will?

Johnnie always thought about the impact of everything.

He always wanted a spectacular ending.

The decisive moment of the trial -

There was a day when Mr. Darden asked Mr. Simpson to fit gloves,

and they didn't fit.

Remember these words: "If it doesn't fit, open the door."

I only believe in one party.

Not to the police or the LAPD, but to the jury.

After months of testimony -

The OJ Simpson jurors begin deliberations.

OJ'S JURYMEN START DEliberating

WHAT WILL THE SIMPSON JURY DECIDE?

I expected the negotiations to last for several weeks.

We didn't get along with each other.

There is no strict rule,

but usually jurors deliberate one day for each week.

Everyone thought it would take them several days to finish.

Barry returned home to New York.

Dershowitz was in Boston.

Johnnie and his wife went to Wine Country.

It would take about three weeks to reach a verdict.

We left for Maui.

We took an unofficial vote, and the result was 10-2.

We were ready to work.

I was shocked.

I thought the difference would be bigger.

"Let's start talking."

"Let's open the evidence booklets and get to work."

When we decided to vote three or four hours later -

and the decision was unanimous,

that was an even bigger shock.

Then I wondered what the world would think of it,

that we made a decision within four hours?"

"They have decided!"

Who are they?

It was unheard of.

8.5 months of certificates, and after four hours -

they had decided.

The trial of the century has come to an end.

The jurors decided almost immediately, despite our astonishment.

The trial had lasted for months,

but the jury did not deliberate even a day.

QUICK DECISION

The trial had lasted almost a year,

and the jurors were segregated.

I understood.

They wanted to go home.

People didn't want to stay there any longer.

SIMPSON'S VERDICT

THE PEOPLE ARE WAITING

We only heard the verdict the next day.

I spent the whole night analyzing.

"What the hell? Four hours."

Everyone said we caught him.

I don't know. Some people think a quick verdict is good for the defense.

Others disagree.

If he's not guilty, I'm amazed.

And if he is guilty, I will break,

because I knew what he was like before.

I went to jail because I thought OJ was nervous.

The evening before the verdict was read -

the guards let us stay 20-30 minutes longer.

OJ raised his hand against the glass.

He said, “If I’m guilty, I never want to see you again.

Don't visit me in prison,

because my life would be the same every day until I die.

You don't have to be."

Everyone was crying profusely.

OCTOBER 3, 1995 DAY 162

I remember waking up on the day the verdict was read.

I was driving on a highway with an overpass.

A sheet was pulled to the side of it that read: "We love the Goldmans."

And… It was pretty awesome.

THE WORLD HEARES JUDGMENT

THE END HAS COME

DOOMSDAY

READING AT 10

Go to hell, asshole.

Can I hit him? - No.

We saw people through the windows.

Crowds and media cars.

I was vomiting. I was nervous.

The incident gripped the entire country.

There are maybe 400 cameras outside the building.

Because of the consequences of the Rodney King conviction -

The LAPD prepared for a possible uprising.

The streets were full of people.

There were horses there.

We tried to cross the street to get to the courtroom.

People were shouting and screaming.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, OPEN THE DOOR! SHIT!

The whole country was in its grip.

Even if a nuclear war broke out,

no one would have noticed it.

It was so fascinating and disturbing,

that no one wanted to miss out on it.

Who's getting nervous here?

My emotions were on the surface.

I didn't sleep.

I stood outside the courtroom -

like paralyzed.

I didn't want to go in, and panic was brewing inside me.

I was at home with my wife and children.

We took the children to school in case of a bad result.

When we entered the courtroom, all eyes were focused on the jurors.

We were being stared at the whole time.

They were waiting for our every move.

Let's go to the courtroom. The moment has come.

Okay, Mrs. Robertson. Could you...

Is the verdict in a sealed envelope? -Yes, Your Honor.

I ask the audience to remain calm during the reading of the verdict.

Stand up, Mr. Simpson.

Rva Robertson.

California Supreme Court.

In the case of the people of the State of California -

vs. Orenthal James Simpson, case number BA097211.

We, the jury, find the defendant Orenthal James Simpson -

acquitted of the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson.

Innocent…

Innocent…

Innocent…

Innocent…

Innocent…

Johnnie said that when he heard the word "innocent" -

He started hitting OJ on the back, saying:

"You're going home, Juice.

You're going home."

I was excited.

I picked up my kids from school and told them.

They asked, "Is Uncle OJ coming home?"

I said it would come.

We, the jury, find the defendant Orenthal James Simpson -

acquitted of the murder of Ronald Lyle Goldman -

based on two written charges.

Innocent…

Innocent…

Innocent…

I can never forget how Kim Goldman shouted,

when the decision had been read.

I can still hear it.

I felt sorry for him.

It cut deep.

It's terrible that we had to do that.

How can I do this?

Marcia and Chris lowered their heads.

Phil Vannatter and Tom Lange reached over the railing -

and grabbed my hand.

You can't recover from that.

It is eternal.

I was shocked by how quickly the verdict came.

Who could imagine all of that at the same time?

All those events -

created the perfect conditions for innocence.

It is either beautiful or a travesty of justice.

Depends on the perspective.

OJ is innocent!

We succeeded!

What do you think of the verdict? -This is a victory for all of humanity.

I have cried for joy twice in my life.

When my son was born -

and during the OJ Simpson trial.

I was so moved that tears welled up in my eyes.

People celebrated after the verdict.

Some believed he was innocent.

I knew right away that OJ was innocent.

Others believed he had been staged -

and that the LAPD had been exposed.

An investigation is needed. Fuhrman and perhaps others belong in prison,

and the LAPD needs to be reformed.

There are many problems in our country that need to be solved together.

I hope it starts today.

Some thought this was a way -

to get revenge on the LAPD and the city for the Rodney King incident.

For the sake of millions of black men,

who have been imprisoned without being able to defend themselves.

If, however, the celebration was born for this reason,

that the double murderer was released,

I don't want to be a part of it.

Not everyone is happy. I noticed that you are not.

I felt sorry for Nicole.

He said OJ wouldn't be convicted, and OJ knew it.

He is guilty.

The jurors were mostly black.

If you are a hero, play football and earn a lot of money,

can commit murder.

The criminal justice process is full of trials,

where the system has treated people of color unfairly.

People of color think they have been left out.

As a black woman, I feared for OJ,

because we have seen this many times.

The division has always existed, and it is still here.

Different people, races and cultures -

can look at the same thing in completely different ways.

It was stark, undeniable, irrevocable -

and American.

It's terrifying.

I no longer believe in the jury system.

Many white people didn't understand,

what we are really celebrating.

OJ Simpson was just a way to filter out frustration,

decades of hatred and disappointment.

They didn't celebrate OJ Simpson as a person.

We managed to win the system,

where we almost never won.

Juice is running. He's free!

He is free!

I thought the system worked.

I don't think he was considered innocent. Just innocent.

Big difference.

I believe the killer was acquitted because the jurors were not -

brave enough to judge.

I didn't find OJ Simpson guilty because it wasn't completely certain,

and I couldn't ignore it.

Doubt was present,

and therefore I could only come to one conclusion.

FUHRMAN AUTHOR

When the verdict was announced,

I hoped for the best and prepared for the worst,

but I knew that if the judgment was unwanted,

I would be targeted.

I hoped people would see my life and my burdens…

I think Mark Fuhrman believed OJ was guilty -

and wanted to make sure he was charged with it.

Detective Fuhrman. Did you tamper with evidence?

In.

I would have proven that.

I never falsified evidence. Ridiculous idea.

The department investigated the matter thoroughly -

and found nothing.

Why should we believe you now?

The evidence is clear, but I can't change my beliefs,

That's just how it is.

He tarnished the case.

I wish he hadn't been there.

10:54 AM 48 MINUTES AFTER THE VERDICT

After the trial, we wanted him to go to the Bahamas -

or to Jamaica to relax.

"No. I'm going back to Rockingham."

He wanted to go home.

"I want a home where I had a life with Nicole and the kids."

HALLELUJAH! I'M HOME

Yes! -Yes.

What happened... Are they still talking? Is this live?

Yes. -It's live.

We are all disappointed with the verdict.

Apparently, the decision was based on emotions that overcame reason.

Look how the man is trying… He is campaigning.

He is suffering.

None of you will know -

about the personal sacrifices that everyone here made.

This time you were wrong, as you were every other time.

No one has spared any effort.

Everyone here gave their full contribution.

Marcia had trouble finding words,

but Chris was absolutely shocked.

I'm not bitter.

And I'm not angry.

However, I would like to thank the lawyers on our prosecution team.

I have the honor…

It was kind of a shock to the system.

Someone was responsible for it.

I was partly responsible.

He still feels like he has disappointed her and carries the burden of guilt.

Ron Goldman fought for his life.

He was forced to grab the sharp end of the knife -

to save himself.

Nicole deserved better.

He continued his life -

far from OJ, who was no longer part of Nicole's family.

OJ couldn't stand it.

We immediately had a big party.

News helicopters flew in. It was quite a sight.

Talk to OJ.

No one there seemed to be thinking about Ron or Nicole.

They were just happy that OJ was home.

Bob Shapiro was the only lawyer who didn't party at OJ's house -

but immediately after the verdict went on the Barbara Walters show,

where he dared to complain,

that we appealed to race and played unfairly.

My opinion was always the same.

I didn't think race had any place in the case.

I was wrong.

We didn't just appeal to race -

but we also played dishonestly.

Why did he scold his team after a successful victory?

I didn't understand it.

I guess he was just jealous because he felt left out.

It was hypocritical,

because right at the beginning the theory about Mark Fuhrman -

had been born in his office in Century City.

That's why his regret was completely incomprehensible.

The allegations about race are ridiculous.

The lawyer would be acting improperly if he ignored racism.

Anyone who claims otherwise does not know how to investigate cases.

Ironically, OJ did everything he could to avoid a black life.

Then all the blacks began to admire him,

who had ever been beaten or insulted by the police.

Many of OJ's friends also say,

that OJ didn't want to be black but considered himself white.

He said, “I don’t want to be white with white friends.

"I don't want my color to define me."

He didn't say he wasn't black, he said he was OJ.

After the trial, he said, "I want to be a regular guy,

who wakes up in the morning and takes their children to school."

Everything was different, but I thought his career would recover.

WILL IMAGO RETURN?

OPINIONS ON THE JUDGMENT

DECLARES INNOCENCE

OJ'S JOYFUL HOMECOMING

It didn't work.

NOT FOR CHICKENERS!

A REAL MAN DOESN'T QUIT!

He was contaminated.

Don't play with OJ!

His golf buddies shunned him and the golf club looked down on him.

He became an outcast.

He couldn't go anywhere or talk to anyone.

It was like a face tattoo.

He felt that if the fans didn't love him,

his image was gone.

Losing the admiration of the public -

affected him in a way I can only imagine.

Sell your house in Brentwood and go somewhere for a while.

Remind?

Do they want me to go to Africa?

Then came the civil lawsuit.

After the verdict, I immediately went to the cemetery -

and I apologized to my brother.

I felt like I had disappointed him.

I didn't produce, but I felt like I could have done something differently.

We quickly moved to civil litigation.

CIVIL LAWSUIT A MAJOR THREAT TO SIMPSON

OJ STILL FIGHTS

RANKI'S TRIAL

In a criminal case, the punishment is prison.

In civil cases, it's money.

That was not our goal, but for him to be found guilty.

THE SECOND PART OF THE CENTURY

The opening remarks began with a fatality case -

By the families of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman.

The difference between the cases was the burden of proof.

In a criminal case, OJ had to be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

The civil court decided what was likely true.

Easier standard.

The entire Brown family is now on their way to the courthouse.

Siblings Dominique, Tanya, Denise,

and mother and father Juditha and Lou Brown.

The trial was in Santa Monica with different juries.

They were whiter.

They had the opportunity to look at the criminal case and our mistakes,

and they saw which of the witnesses were effective.

There was no Mark Fuhrman -

and not many other police officers either.

The judge was different,

and he didn't allow cameras.

Oh yeah. And OJ testified.

Swear to the witness. -Right hand.

Do you swear that the testimony you have given is completely truthful?

Yes.

It was clear that OJ was having trouble -

acknowledge or take responsibility for mentions of domestic violence.

Did you hit him? -No.

Did you hurt me? -Yes.

Physically? -Yes.

Did you cause any bruises or abrasions?

I didn't hit. -What did you do?

I was wrestling. -What does that mean?

OJ's testimony was contradictory and unconvincing.

He lied.

Ask as before, and I will answer.

Where were you between 10 and 11 p.m.? -Did they ask that? I was at home.

How did you answer? -I don't remember if that was asked. I don't know.

You ask. -I already asked. Where…

Why don't you ask? -Because...

Timeout. Let's take a break. -Okay.

Hello. I'm Geraldo Rivera. The verdict in the Simpson case has been reached.

FEBRUARY 4, 1997, 2.5 YEARS AFTER THE MURDERS

He was found guilty of causing the deaths of Ron and Nicole.

SIMPSON'S RESPONSIBILITY

JURYMEN: YOU KILLED THEM

12 people said, "He took your brother's life."

It was incredible.

We felt pride and a sense of accomplishment.

A real emotional rollercoaster.

Our family is grateful -

of responsible judgment.

We didn't want anything else,

and we got it. Thank God.

Kim. -Ron is proud.

That's right. -We did this for Ron.

That's it.

We wanted to hear it for 2.5 years.

Finally it came.

We know that justice will be done one day,

but I still wanted to hear it.

The day OJ was found guilty,

he left through the same doors as us.

The jury said he killed our beloved,

and he just drove away.

Before going home, he visited an ice cream shop in Brentwood.

Then he went for ice cream.

It was really strange to think about that.

There will be no party in Rockingham,

such as those seen after the criminal court verdict.

I understand if someone says,

that it is most likely that OJ was responsible for it.

I understand that.

I knew we were going to lose it. Everyone knew.

That's why I was waiting for it.

However, I didn't expect such a large sum of money.

33.5 MILLION DOLLARS

SIMPSON COMPLAINS ABOUT THE COMPENSATION GUARANTEE

They are seeking $33.5 million in damages.

PAY

He said he wouldn't pay.

Yes. He was furious.

We were not allowed to collect compensation ourselves.

The system does not provide resources for that.

Even though our families were ordered to pay a ridiculous amount of money,

we didn't get the check because he was able to hide his assets,

most of which was protected.

We didn't get anything.

Do you expect to ever receive the money?

We don't get them, but I'm trying to make his life miserable.

We had a purpose. We went to court every day.

People surround us.

There were cameras, reporters, and people there.

Once the civil suit was over, the people disappeared -

and nothing more is written about it,

and I wondered what had really happened.

I believe that's when sadness took over.

The IRS is seeking a lien on Simpson's Brentwood mansion.

He owes more than $685,000 in taxes, interest and penalties.

He knew he was going to lose Rockingham, which was devastating.

SEPTEMBER 17, 1997, THREE YEARS AFTER THE MURDERS

No niin! That's life.

It was pretty tough because it was like our Graceland.

The house belonged to all of us.

MIKE GILBERT'S HOME VIDEO

We moved everything out of there.

Here…

There were drops of blood here.

On the staircase wall were pictures of the whole family.

About Nicole and the children.

One evening we were still in Rockingham.

It was one of the nights when we were there alone,

and we sat outside by the pool.

OJ was different.

He was deep in thought and emotional.

He said, "Mike. Do you see that tree?"

The chlorine splashed against the tree and killed it.

He said, "Nicole and I paid thousands of dollars to save the tree,

and it is here."

She started crying.

"Nicole isn't here. She's gone."

We couldn't save our marriage,

"but we saved this tree."

It was just the right moment.

I asked, "What happened that night, OJ?"

He asked, "What do you think?"

I wondered if I should act like an agent and say:

"I know you couldn't have done it."

Or should I tell the truth?

I said, “You know what?

I always thought you did it."

He glanced up.

"Not because I saw you as a murderer."

He just kind of shook his head and said:

"If Nicole hadn't opened the door with a knife in her hand,

"He would still be alive."

I didn't sleep well that night.

I lay in my bed wondering how our relationship would progress from there.

Do I give up everything I've invested in -

or am I not judging him on the worst day of his life?

So I stopped.

OJ moved to Florida -

and showed off the riches of his post-liberation life.

Money talks.

See you later. I'm going to play golf.

He wanted to be in the news.

He tried to be on reality TV.

It suits me.

I ran away. -Is this your car?

Just sit. -I'll sit, even if there's a body inside.

I hope not.

After going to Florida, he acted like a 20-year-old rookie in the NFL.

He drank, went to strip clubs, slept with fans, and used drugs.

Why are my intentions being considered...

Post-trial OJ -

was only a memory of his former glory.

I remember saying towards the end, "You know, O.J.

You are becoming the worst version of yourself.

You're proving your haters right."

SEPTEMBER 16, 2007 LAS VEGAS, NEVADA

Las Vegas police investigators questioned OJ Simpson -

because of memorabilia stolen from a casino hotel room.

OJ was arrested for robbery.

He tried to take away memorabilia that once belonged to him -

from dealers who stayed at a hotel in Las Vegas.

He took everything he considered his own and a few other items.

Unfortunately, OJ didn't know that one of the men was recording everything.

The bastards think they can sell my stuff!

Don't let anyone out.

OJ was clearly guilty,

but the biggest problem was that they had guns.

Las Vegas police charge Simpson with two counts of robbery with a deadly weapon.

The next morning I got a call from the LAPD,

because my name and phone number were on the boxes found in the room.

The police said my stuff was there -

and began to explain the robbery.

"They had guns and they were looking for you."

Why on earth?

Give me a picture and my stuff!

I bought it from Mike! -Call him.

I'm calling. Last name Gilbert.

It starts with 559.

He thought I was selling his family photo albums and stuff like that.

OJ Simpson may have to stay in Vegas for a long time.

When the story of his arrest was published,

My father and I felt,

that if he broke the law because we persecuted him,

humdinger.

The police said it was lucky I wasn't there.

They said, "The guns were for you. You would have probably died there."

Maybe they said that to get me to testify against OJ.

Do you swear that the testimony you have given is true?

Yes.

It felt strange because I was his defender -

and his friends for so long.

My kids called him "Uncle OJ," so that was different.

The whole thing about his memorabilia and obsession with them -

almost feel like muscle memory.

OJ tried to hold on to the remnants of his wonderful life.

This is the last photo of OJ Simpson with the Heisman Trophy.

I didn't mean to hurt anyone.

I just wanted my stuff and I know it was stupid.

I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to steal from anyone and I didn't know I was doing anything illegal.

I thought I was meeting friends and picking up my belongings.

I was waiting to go to the courtroom.

The assistant let people in.

I put my foot in the door and said, “You’re letting us into the room.

"I don't care what you do, but we're coming in."

We the jury find -

Orenthal James Simpson is found guilty.

OJ GETS 33 YEARS IN PRISON

33 YEARS IN PRISON FOR ROBBERY

33 years. Is that fair?

Not me.

I think it was an extremely harsh sentence in such an unclear situation.

Finally, justice was served.

He belongs in prison and is there now.

That seems fair.

You could almost feel the white man's revenge -

In the Vegas robbery case.

We are excited. It feels bittersweet to know,

that that idiot will end up in prison for a long time, where he belongs.

I was absolutely certain it was revenge for the release,

and it didn't bother me.

LOVELOCK PRISON, NEVADA

I was on live broadcast in Nevada,

when he got a chance at parole -

after a nine-year prison sentence.

I wouldn't threaten anyone with a gun.

I've never done that.

I haven't been accused of that.

No one has accused me of threatening with a gun.

I vote for parole when possible,

and this interrogation ends there.

Thanks.

CONDITIONAL

OJ Simpson has been released from Nevada prison.

How does it feel to be outside?

Are you following me?

He appeared on social media -

a caricature of the public figure he had been.

Signed here, Twitter.

Soon you will be able to read my thoughts and opinions on almost everything.

I was gone for a long time, but I don't know what's going on in America.

How do we prevent that from happening?

They should be condemned. I'm just saying...

It's over. That's all.

At some point you don't know what to believe.

The police lie and falsify evidence...

Lying and stealing are different from murder.

It's American.

I want to thank everyone who has contacted me.

My health is good. I have some problems,

but they will soon be over.

APRIL 2024

We just received some important news.

OJ Simpson has died at the age of 76.

OJ Simpson, former NFL star…

He was one of America's most controversial figures...

He died of cancer surrounded by his children and grandchildren…

OJ SIMPSON'S LEGACY

When I heard OJ died, I thought, "He should have died in prison."

I don't tend to speak ill of the dead,

but I made an exception for Simpson.

I truly believe he was the embodiment of evil.

Good luck.

His death was a shock.

People say OJ ruined my life.

Didn't destroy.

He gave me the opportunity to destroy my own life.

The fact that 30 years later -

our case arouses a lot of emotion, debate -

and new conversations, fills me with gratitude.

How is 1994 different from today?

Not much.

I believe the racial divide in our country is wider now -

than 30 years ago.

I don't think the racial situation is any better than it was 30 years ago.

What did we do? -Hand over there.

Nothing has improved.

Hands up! -Don't shoot!

Justice should be colorblind.

In real life and practice, that is not always the case.

Race matters.

You can make a career out of figuring it out and be a part of it.

It pollutes and stains for the rest of your life.

Christopher Darden became a defense attorney in his own firm.

I haven't done anything since the trial,

which would have some kind of professional value or meaning for me.

I've had this burden forever.

I'll die with it.

My obituary reads:

"Disgraceful racist detective in the OJ Simpson case."

I have to be like that.

Mark Fuhrman was convicted of lying as a witness.

He was the only one convicted of a crime in the Simpson case.

I'm sure the jurors were right.

I am also convinced that the members of the LAPD -

did illegal things -

to convict someone they considered guilty.

I sleep well every night,

like I have done for the last 30 years.

At least as far as my work as a representative of Orenthal James Simpson is concerned.

After Johnnie Cochran died in 2005 -

Carl Douglas founded his own criminal law firm.

The most constructive thing people can remember from the incident is

is domestic violence.

It is a lesson whose symptoms you must learn to recognize.

I don't accept that Nicole died in vain.

I swear to fight domestic violence,

and I will reveal this dirty secret that has been hidden for too long.

It doesn't bother me,

that I believed him, but that,

that I didn't vote for Nicole.

I AM ANGRY!

He is crazy.

He came again. Could you send someone?

He has a white Bronco, but he broke down the back door to get in.

He was scared.

He was afraid and wanted help.

You'll hear him in a moment. He'll be back.

It's really painful to listen to that,

because he is scared.

The children are sleeping. I don't want anything to happen.

As I thought about it over the years, I started thinking, "No."

"Them."

"OJ went to kill him."

On a large scale -

The people involved sacrificed and lost a lot.

That feels bad.

It changed us all, for better or worse.

This happens to millions of people,

but we have commercialized grief, loss and trauma,

and I will do my best to try...

I can't stop it,

but if I can teach you how to handle it in a way,

who is still loving and supportive,

I will continue to do this.

If you or someone close to you has experienced domestic violence,

Support is available at www.wannatalkaboutit.com

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