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WOMAN:
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NEWSREADER: Good evening.
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Could this be another example of
a Russian being poisoned on UK soil?
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A man in hospital tonight,
Sergei Skripal,
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a Russian convicted in Moscow
for spying for Britain
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and now living in the UK
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is in a critical condition.
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PUTIN:
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WOMAN:
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MAN: There are much, much quicker
and easier ways to kill someone
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than poison.
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You generally use poison
for one or both of two reasons -
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one is deniability,
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secondly is theatre.
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And I think in this case,
the Russians were looking for both.
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They wanted to have a certain
amount of deniability.
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They wanted to be able to say,
"Nothing to do with us".
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But they also wanted to do it with a
certain amount of smirk and twinkle.
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In a way that actually we knew
it really was them.
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MAN: There's an expression in Russia
that the fish rots from the head.
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WOMAN: People quite often say,
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"Oh, Putin must be the richest man
in the world."
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MAN 2: That's a direct strike
at the very heart
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of the whole system
that Vladimir Putin has built.
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MAN 3: So the only thing
that they could have done
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was to rig the election.
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WOMAN 2: As far
as Putin's concerned,
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this is just one of the casualties
of war.
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(APPLAUSE)
(LIVELY MUSIC)
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He's about to sing, isn't he?
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# I found my thrill
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# On Blueberry Hill
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(CHUCKLES)
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# On Blueberry Hill
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# When I found you
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There was also Sharon Stone
in the room, right?
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# The moon stood still
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Putin has a flare
for these kinds of gestures.
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He likes to surprise people
and he was having some fun.
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# My dreams came true
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MAN: The Russian Constitution
forbids anyone
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to stay in power longer
than eight years consecutively.
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# But all of those vows we made
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# Were never to be
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So two presidential terms
is a very clear-cut case.
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You have to step down and some other
person has to take your place
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in the Kremlin.
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# On Blueberry Hill. #
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(APPLAUSE)
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So, in 2008, Putin steps down.
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He became the Prime Minister
and the new President was selected.
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Well, manually selected at that time
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by Vladimir Putin as he is,
as the new Russia's President.
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All of a sudden, he was no longer
the man behind the big desk.
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He was no longer formally in power.
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And I think he found this
psychologically problematic.
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This is a man who's having trouble
coping with his new identity
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as - technically speaking -
the second-in-command.
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How is he gonna be perceived?
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Not just today
and not just by Russians,
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but tomorrow and by the world.
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Medvedev is this pro-Western,
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pro-progress,
pro-modernisation person.
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Russia was actually developing
and moving in the right direction.
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MAN: Putin, I think, discovered
during Dmitri Medvedev's presidency
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that Russia needed a strong hand
on the tiller
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and his was the only hand that...
that would work.
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He became convinced that, you know,
the only way to protect Russia,
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but also to protect his own power,
his own wealth and everything else,
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was to return to the Kremlin.
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(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
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(APPLAUSE)
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GALEOTTI: That was, I think,
a shocking moment
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for a lot of Russians.
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There was something
about the brazenness of the process,
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the fact it almost implied
that the presidency
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was just basically
some little trinket
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that could be exchanged between them.
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And that, I think, very much
set the scene
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for why we saw such massive protests
around the parliamentary elections
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that followed.
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REPORTER: The country
is unusually tense today
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because there are signs of change
in the air.
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WOMAN: This wasn't
a presidential election.
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These were parliamentary elections.
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But it was important to Mr Putin
and those around him
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that they had the right parliament.
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And it was also, to some extent,
a dry run for the presidency
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some months later.
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FISHMAN: Emotion and feeling
was so strong
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that people were ready to vote
anyone against Putin's party.
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So the only thing that they could
have done was to rig the election.
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In Moscow alone, and these
are independent estimates,
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more than a million votes
were simply stolen.
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REPORTER: In Russia, Prime Minister
Putin's party looks set for victory
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after parliamentary elections today,
albeit with a reduced majority...
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REPORTER 2: The once-untouchable
Vladimir Putin appeared,
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looking more subdued than usual.
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HILLARY CLINTON:
We have serious concerns
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about the conduct
of those elections.
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Independent political parties
were denied the right to register.
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And the preliminary report
by the OSCE
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cites election day attempts
to stuff ballot boxes,
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manipulate voter lists
and other troubling practices.
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MAN: This was by no means
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the first election
rigged under Vladimir Putin.
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What made it different was that...
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Of course, this was already the age
of social media and smartphones
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and so the news of this rigging
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and the blatant nature
of this rigging
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spread throughout the country
in literally hours.
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(SIRENS WAIL)
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FISHMAN: And this is
when we understand
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that something is going on.
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That this moral rebellion
against humiliation,
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against lies, against corruption,
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that this is real.
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It was like this forgotten feeling
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that you and others share
the same emotion,
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share the same feeling,
share the same understanding
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that you're together.
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KARA-MURZA: One of the leaders of
those protests was Boris Nemtsov.
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Nemtsov was always never afraid
to speak his own mind.
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And he was absolutely brilliant
in mobilising...
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..mass protests on the streets
of Russia.
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KENDALL: These huge crowds
coming out
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first, protesting against fraud
in the parliamentary elections,
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but then after a few days,
when they were not stopped,
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it morphing into a much bigger call
for, in the end, Putin to step down.
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FISHMAN: He thought it would be
an easy ride.
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That he would simply get re-elected
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and then rule Russia for what,
12 years again.
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(CHEERING)
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And that must have been cataclysmic
for the Kremlin, I think.
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When they're thinking,
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"We've got presidential elections
coming in just a few months' time.
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"How are we going to handle it?"
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First, yes, Putin was shocked,
then he regrouped...
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..and counter-attacked.
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(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
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REPORTER: Russians
are going to the polls
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to vote in the most controversial
presidential election in decades.
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The turnout is said
to have been high so far.
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REPORTER: Even his visit
to the polling station ended
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with three half-naked women
being led away shouting,
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"Putin is a thief."
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There have already been thousands
of allegations of fraud,
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including this footage
apparently showing a man
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feeding ballot paper
after ballot paper
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into an automatic voting machine.
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Just as polls closed in Kaliningrad
in the far west
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this big show began
just outside the Kremlin.
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(CHEERING)
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It was a bit odd, really,
'cause it was a victory parade
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when the polls had only just closed,
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so they couldn't have possibly
counted everything.
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(CHEERING)
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He couldn't conceal his emotion.
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(CHEERING)
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(SIREN BLARES)
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REPORTER: The Russian government
has strongly denied allegations
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that it was involved in the killing
of an opposition politician.
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Boris Nemtsov was a former
Deputy Prime Minister
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and a prominent critic of
President Vladimir Putin.
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Last night he was shot four times
in the back.
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GURIEV: Mr Putin wants to find new
basis for his new presidency,
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because he has no vision,
no future to offer to the people.
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And now,
economic growth is slowing down,
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approval ratings are coming down.
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From the peak they went down
by 20 percentage points.
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He is looking for a new idea
he can offer to the Russian public.
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WOMAN: In the beginning
he'd managed to rule by saying,
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"I'm not what came before.
I'm a new, healthy Russia."
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And then he felt like
he needed something new.
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So starting in, like, early 2013,
I guess,
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the beginning whispers
of very public
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anti-LGBT rhetoric from state
officials started to emerge.
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A year later you had
the anti-gay propaganda laws.
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You started to see vigilante justice
all around the country
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where you had groups that would form
and lure gay men over apps
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and then violently beat them up,
film it and put it on the internet.
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KENDALL: What Mr Putin wants to do
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is to get at the working man
and working woman
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and he wants to make sure
he keeps them on side.
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And that he as president
embodies the narrative
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that Russia is up from its knees.
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It's great again.
It can take on the world.
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And those pictures send that story.
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So how do you go on doing that
year after year after year?
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GURIEV: Well, people know
he's ageing.
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And officially nobody says that
Putin has plastic surgery.
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Now, he occasionally
disappears for a week or two.
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KENDALL: So Putin always used to
have a really quite bony face.
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And suddenly his face was all puffy.
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It certainly is true that he was
very close to Berlusconi.
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I've heard him talk very,
very warmly about Mr Berlusconi.
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So the idea that the Italian
Prime Minister suggested to him
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that he could help him with
a little bit of Botox
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from his plastic surgeon
is entirely credible.
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Sergei Magnitsky
was a Moscow-based lawyer,
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but you have to go back
to Magnitsky's boss Bill Browder.
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Bill Browder was a big investor
in Russia
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and then fell out with Putin.
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Browder had been barred from Russia
and set up in London,
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but still had holding companies
in Moscow,
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which had been raided by
Moscow tax police.
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My offices were raided
by 25 police officers
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from the Moscow interior ministry.
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I hired Sergei Magnitsky
to investigate this case.
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And what Sergei discovered was that
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using the documents
seized by the police,
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the perpetrators
had gone back to the tax authorities
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and applied for a $230 million
illegal tax refund.
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After Sergei testified against
these corrupt police officers,
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some of the same police officers
he testified against
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came to his home, arrested him,
and put him in pre-trial detention.
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After about six months of
consistent torture and abuse,
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Sergei started to have
health problems.
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He'd developed terrible pains
in his stomach,
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and in 2009 Sergei Magnitsky
went into critical condition.
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Instead of putting him
in the emergency room,
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they put him in an isolation cell.
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They chained him to a bed
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and eight riot guards with
rubber batons came into that cell
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and beat him until he died.
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He was 37 years old.
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He left a wife and two children.
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There's an expression in Russia,
that the fish rots from the head.
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In order for him to run the country,
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Vladimir Putin needs the support
of people below him -
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officials who are extremely rich,
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that are enforcers and implementers
of Putin's criminal activities.
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And then below them
there's other people
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that run the mechanics
of this Mafia state.
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The Magnitsky Act was a piece
of legislation which I came up with
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and I lobbied in the United States
with the US Congress.
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And the Magnitsky Act freezes assets
and bans visas of the people
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who killed Sergei Magnitsky
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and the people who commit
other gross human rights abuses.
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(CAUTIOUS APPLAUSE)
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So after the Magnitsky Act
was passed in the United States,
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Vladimir Putin wanted to come after
me and come after Sergei Magnitsky.
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So in July of 2013,
he put us on trial in Moscow.
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I wasn't in Moscow,
I was here in London,
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so I was on trial...in absentia.
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And they'd killed Sergei Magnitsky
three years earlier.
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Well, during the trial, you had
a courtroom with a prosecutor,
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with a judge,
and a cage with two empty seats.
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One for me and one for Sergei.
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It was the first ever trial against
a dead man in the history of Russia.
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They couldn't sentence Sergei
to anything more than death.
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They sentenced me to nine years
in absentia.
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(APPLAUSE)
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PUTIN: Millions of citizens
of Russia
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are united by the Olympic dream.
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Winter sports are very popular
in Russia.
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Our athletes have scored
many victories
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and have made major contributions
to the Olympic movement.
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Getting the Sochi Olympics
was clearly a very big deal
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for Vladimir Putin.
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The 22nd Olympic Winter Games
in 2014...
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..are awarded to the city of Sochi!
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(WILD CHEERING)
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KENDALL: He wanted the world to see
that Russia could put on
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a huge logistical exercise and
a big party and impress everyone,
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as a sort of superpower -
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but not in terms of oil and gas
wealth or nuclear weapons,
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but in terms of soft power.
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In terms of culture and sport.
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Sport plays a very, very important
role in Soviet and Russian ideology.
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Actually plays a very important role
in any authoritarian ideology.
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It is the biggest symbol of Russia
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back at the centrestage
of the world.
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It's his big party.
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(CHEERING)
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And, of course, the event
gets spoilt for him
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by what's happening in Ukraine.
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MAN: The Ukrainians
start demonstrating
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in the central square in Kiev.
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They're flying the Ukrainian flag
and the European Union flag.
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They see Europe as less corruption,
more rule of law,
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and the prosperity that comes from
less corruption
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and more rule of law.
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And the protest grows.
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And it suddenly takes on
the characteristics
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of a political revolution.
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Putin wants a regime in Ukraine
which resembles his own
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and the Ukrainians were saying,
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"Goddammit, this is our country.
We live here.
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"We want a say
in our own country's future."
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(SHOUTING)
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(EXPLOSIONS)
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To lose Ukraine, from a Russian
point of view, is a catastrophe.
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REPORTER: Russia has warned
that violent protests
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in Ukraine's capital Kiev
are growing out of control
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after another night of clashes
with police.
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OSTROVSKY: He's angry.
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He's furious, actually.
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He's really, really furious.
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This country's stealing his show.
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Instead of the pictures
of Russian triumphs...
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..there are pictures
of people being shot.
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Ukraine totally overshadows
his event.
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FRIED: Putin moves fast.
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Little green men appear in Crimea.
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And he seizes it,
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almost without a shot being fired.
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HILLARY CLINTON:
As President Obama has said,
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the Russian intervention in Crimea
violates international law.
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And it is therefore of deep concern
to the Unites States and our allies.
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REPORTER: Russia controls Crimea now
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but no-one knows what
President Putin plans to do next.
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REPORTER: You can see how all of this
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is being orchestrated
directly from Moscow
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and we're seeing it unfold
right here on the ground.
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(GUNSHOTS)
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FRIED: Putin tries to do the same
thing in Eastern Ukraine.
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And he sends more little green men
across.
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The Ukrainians fought back
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and there's an actual Goddamn war
between Ukraine and Russia.
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REPORTER: The conflict between
Russia and Ukraine may have claimed
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the lives of more than 300
innocent air travellers.
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A Malaysian Airlines jet
appears to have been shot down.
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OSTROVSKY: I don't think
this was planned by Putin.
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They didn't plan
to down a civilian aircraft.
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It's collateral damage
in the situation of war.
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The official line
was that everybody in Russia,
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99%, was supporting
what Putin was doing.
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And I will never forget...
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..what I saw that day.
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(MAN SHOUTS IN RUSSIAN)
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When the whole boulevard ring in
central Moscow was just filled
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with thousands and thousands
of people.
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A sea of faces and flags
as far as the eye could see.
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Of Russians who came out to say,
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"This is not my war.
Not in my name."
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Boris Nemtsov organised and led
two marches of peace
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against Putin's war.
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Boris Nemtsov thought that
he could be arrested
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and put in prison for a long time.
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As many Putin opponents are.
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I do not think he or any of us
would consider the possibility
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that the most prominent leader
of the opposition
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would be gunned down on a bridge
200 yards from the Kremlin wall.
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(SIREN WAILS)
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(MAN SPEAKING RUSSIAN)
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Anybody who's been to Moscow
even once, knows that, you know,
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you can't even stand for
a few minutes on that bridge
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without a plain clothes officer,
a police officer,
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running up to you and saying
"What are you doing?"
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This is the most protected area,
not just in Moscow,
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but probably in the whole of Europe.
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There are dozens of television
cameras installed around.
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There are always security officers
around and of course,
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as opposition leader, Boris Nemtsov
always had a, you know,
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FSB people following him
everywhere he went.
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I find it impossible to believe
that an action of such magnitude
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as the assassination
of the leader of the opposition,
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a few hundred yards
from the Kremlin wall,
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could have been carried out
on somebody's own initiative
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without coordination
from the very top.
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I find that absolutely impossible
to believe.
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(CROWD CHANTS)
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Every year around the date
of the assassination of Boris,
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there are marches of remembrance
held in Moscow.
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Thousands of people come to the
streets to pay their respects.
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Many of us went to the bridge
and the spot of the murder
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to lay some flowers and it was
just, of course as you can imagine,
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a mountain of flowers
on that particular day.
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(HELICOPTER WHIRRS)
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Then we saw
a government helicopter flying by
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and intentionally lowering itself
just over that spot with the flowers
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so the rotor and the wind
would throw everything away.
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It's not enough for them
to kill the man,
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they're trying to kill the memory
as well.
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I consider it be the greatest
privilege of my life
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to have worked with him
for more than 15 years.
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Safety's not the word we associate
with how we feel about what we do.
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They've tried to kill me twice
in the last five years.
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This is from the second poisoning.
This is February 2017.
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And I am very fortunate to be
sitting here and speaking to you,
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because I did have about 5% chance
both times I was poisoned.
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Boris Nemtsov
did not even have a 1% chance
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when they shot those bullets
in his back
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on Bolshoy Moskvoretsky Bridge.
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(JET ENGINES WHINE)
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OSTROVSKY: In Putin's mind, he is now
engaged in this huge global battle
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against American Western dominance.
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I don't think he cares, frankly,
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I don't think he cares about Russia's
relationship with the West anymore.
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You get to the point of sort of
escalation of conflict
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and you just slam the door and say,
"Well, you know what? Fuck you."
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KENDALL: If you're Mr Putin and
you're looking at Europe now,
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you're probably feeling
pretty pleased with yourself.
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Europe looks weak,
and the United States too.
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And we, Russia, like to think
we look strong.
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We are now going to overtake you,
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just as China is going to
overtake you.
401
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,780
It's a new world,
it's a different world.
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It's a non-Western world,
and we're part of it.
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00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,260
So why are we now seeing sort of
mini Putins springing up?
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You now, Erdogan, President
of the Philippines and so on.
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Well, maybe it's partly because we
are living in very uncertain times.
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People are less sure about
their identities
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and the identities
of their communities around them.
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00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,820
There's also the rise of automation,
which is threatening people's jobs.
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00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,100
And so actually
what a populist leader offers you,
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which is a slightly nostalgic,
very clearly defined,
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slightly assertive,
let's circle the wagons kind of feel
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fits all those scenarios.
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(CHEERING)
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Putin was very nice to me.
He said, "Donald Trump is a genius."
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Well, I'll take that, right?
Not gonna...
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Hey, let me tell ya, he's not
gettin' anything for it, OK?
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He said, "Donald Trump is a genius.
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"And Donald Trump is going to be
the great leader of the party."
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So he said that.
I don't know if he meant it.
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Probably did to be honest with you.
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00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,540
He sees crowd like this, why not?
422
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,300
In some ways Putin sees
President Trump
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as someone he can manipulate.
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Our relationship has never been
worse than it is now.
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However, that changed
as of about four hours ago,
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I really believe that.
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President Putin,
thank you very much.
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00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,860
If you could have seen
the cartoon balloon
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coming out of Putin's head
at that moment,
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I think it would have read,
"What an easy mark."
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It's clear to me that the Russians
did in fact hack into the DNC.
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REPORTER: An ex-MI6 officer
is understood to have
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compiled the report,
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which contains
unverified allegations
435
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that Russian security officials
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have compromising material
on the president elect.
437
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,780
REPORTER: Was his victory tinged by
Moscow's interference?
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00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,100
Did his campaign collude with Putin?
439
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,620
The Russians intended to meddle,
and they meddled.
440
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,620
REPORTER: Garbage online,
much of it from Russia,
441
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and deliberately designed
to cause trouble
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is evidently polluting
public discourse.
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00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,820
(CROWD CHANTS)
What do we want? Brexit!
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When do we want it? Now!
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00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,180
REPORTER: When will you release
the Russian report?
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00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:06,340
I...let me tell you...
447
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,700
This is the report into whether or
not there was Russian interference
448
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,300
or any kind of influence.
449
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,620
There is absolutely no evidence
that I know of...
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If that's the case,
then why not release it?
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MAN: It's the largest humanitarian
disaster since World War Two.
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It could stop tomorrow morning
453
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,460
if Russia were to behave
according to any norm
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or any standard of decency.
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00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,340
REPORTER: Moscow dismissed claims
of civilian casualties
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as an information war.
457
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,420
OSTROVSKY: Putin doesn't understand
that Western societies
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do actually put life at the centre.
459
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,620
That actually individual life
of a person who has a name,
460
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,180
has a family, has children,
is the most important thing.
461
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,060
And it will be always more important
in Western politics
462
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,300
than any great state interests.
463
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,820
REPORTER: Counter terrorism officers
have take charge
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of the investigation
into the suspected poisoning
465
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,060
of a former Russian agent and his
daughter in Salisbury on Sunday.
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00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,460
Sergei Skripal had been convicted
in Russia 12 years ago
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00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,700
of passing secrets to MI6.
468
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,820
Well, in Moscow, the Russian
government has vehemently denied
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00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,620
any suggestion of involvement.
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00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,260
Some people might say a human life
is worth more than five pennies.
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00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,100
Police say,
"Shocking and utterly appalling"
472
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that a woman has died after being
exposed to a nerve agent
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00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:02,780
in Wiltshire.
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00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,220
Dawn Sturgess was contaminated not
far from where a former Russian spy
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and his daughter were poisoned
in March.
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00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,460
GALEOTTI: I honestly think
as far as Putin's concerned,
477
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,780
this is just one of
the casualties of war.
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00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,460
People will die.
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00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,140
That's the way wars are.
480
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,500
She was an unfortunate person, in
the wrong place at the wrong time.
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00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,580
REPORTER: Dawn Sturgess
was a mother of three.
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Today, they and her parents
are mourning her.
483
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,660
(BEEP)
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(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK)
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FRIED: Once you have been king
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and done the things you've done
in order to stay king,
487
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,500
you can't retire.
488
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,500
There's no rule of law in Russia.
489
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:45,980
Putin's made sure of that.
490
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,500
He has used the absence of the rule
of law to sustain himself in power
491
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,220
and punish his enemies.
492
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,660
He thinks he can have
a nice retirement?
493
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,660
You think? really?
494
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,220
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