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Peter Pan is an ancient, ancient soul.

And he finds these families and he takes the children to Neverland where they

stay young forever.

And I've seen children just...

shower all over me with love. They want to just touch me and hug me, hold on and

cry and not let go.

Michael Jackson met Gavin Arviso in 2000.

He was 10 years old and he was dying of cancer.

Michael wanted me to edit a short film of Michael and Gavin and

I don't think it was meant for the public to see.

When I see that footage, it makes me uneasy.

Is it possible that Michael is a child molester? Is it possible that he did

something to this kid?

Dozens of investigators swarmed Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch.

The search is tied to allegations from a 12 -year -old boy that he was molested

by Jackson.

I was told that if you say or do anything, you're going to kill your

Michael had some kind of control over me.

I didn't say what I should have said. Tonight, Jackson is wanted by police.

The entire accusations against Michael was a scam.

Michael Jackson under arrest.

He had a succession of boys coming through his room and spending the night.

He could abuse children almost with impunity.

I remember Gavin's mom saying, I don't care what he offers, I will never take

the... Devil's money.

Jury in Santa Maria, California has reached a verdict.

If he's found guilty, it'll be a journey not back to Neverland, but straight to

prison.

Do you think he's innocent?

After everything you've seen, do you still think he's possibly innocent?

Michael Jackson had a lot at stake.

After years of scandal and some pretty odd behavior, the king of pop may have

fight to retain his title.

At one time, the singer Michael Jackson was the hottest showbiz act in the

world, but then his career drastically declined.

When I met Michael Jackson, he was renting this beautiful townhouse right

Central Park.

I walk in, and Michael's in this room, a little bit like this. You know, it was

not a lot of light.

And he's very shy. Michael is very shy.

So I just started asking him questions, like, what are you doing in New York?

I'm finishing my Invincible album.

Little did I realize that was going on for like a decade already.

I was the rabbi at Oxford University for 11 years.

And because I was so involved in the space of helping people order their

I felt that I could do that for Michael.

I mean, everyone knew that Michael Jackson was troubled in some way, that

a little bit off, he was different.

In fact, if we want to be a little bit less kind, he was called Wacko Jacko.

We started talking, and the conversation just began to roll.

Probably turned into a two-, three -hour meeting.

And then he starts sharing even his very private things immediately.

Testing, one, two, three, testing.

Okay.

Let me ask you about, were you happy when I was little?

Nobody heard those tapes before.

And the things that Michael revealed in those tapes have no precedent.

My father made sure that we rehearsed every day. He had a belt in his hand.

If you went out of step, you'd get it real bad.

She'd be breaking furniture, and it was just terrible.

My mother, she'd always be in the back here now.

Joe, no, you're going to kill him. No, no, Joe, it's too much.

Throw you and hit you as hard as he can.

How did I feel listening to it?

Unearthed. But I did begin to understand Michael so much more deeply.

My father comes home late.

Open the door.

The door is locked.

He said, I'm giving you five seconds. You don't open it, I'm going to kick it

down. And he starts kicking it.

Boom, kicking it, like breaking the door.

Why did you sign that contract today? I go, I don't know. He goes, well, sign

it. If you don't sign it, you're in trouble.

Joseph had this thing, I'm raising men, not boys.

Crying was unacceptable.

Anything that he thought made them appear the least bit feminine, that

didn't sit well with him at all.

His father had wanted him to be a performer, but had never given him

unconditional love.

And he said to me, do you understand that from the age of five, I was taken

nightclubs? where we saw stuff nightclubs.

Every night I was in clubs with a lady who took off all her clothes, threw her

panties in the audience, and the men would grab them and sniff them.

She put these things on her breasts and moved them around, and then she showed

everything.

These brothers, anytime they were on tour, when they were adults, there were

many women that they would go in and out of hotels with all that, you know, rock

and roll stuff, except for Michael.

Michael would run away from it.

Sometimes even by his own admission, he would cry.

He always said to me he found it disgusting.

Did it lead him to believe that sex can be disgusting? Yeah, possibly.

That's not the best way to discover what love and sex is about.

I always said, if I ever have kids, I will never behave this way. I said, I

won't touch a hair on their head.

Because people always say the abuse, abuse, and it's not true.

I'm totally the opposite.

Michael was robbed of that childhood innocence.

And Michael spent his life trying to get the world's attention, thinking it

might compensate.

And it never did.

I met Michael Jackson in 1984.

The Jackson 5 was on the Victory Tour, their reunion.

Michael introduced the moonwalk to the world at that time.

I saw Michael Jackson! I saw Michael Jackson!

At that time, his popularity was through the roof.

When you think about 1984 and you think about Michael Jackson, you think about

this dark -skinned black man who women, whether they were black, white, or

whatever, they were crazy about him, thought he was the most handsome dude

was. He was sexy, he was charming, he was electric.

He was the king of pop.

And then there was this mystery to him, too, because he never really said much.

He lives here with his mother and two sisters, a boa constrictor, a llama.

and a room full of mannequins. He loves mannequins.

He is a Jehovah's Witness, neither smokes, drinks, nor swears, loves

and is very shy.

And then Michael did something weird.

In the late 80s, early 90s, he stopped really having adult friends.

I know family members were wondering, what's happening there?

He basically...

cut them off.

And then, of course, he built this amazing place, Neverland.

It was a very isolated ranch, like 3 ,000 acres.

So there was this contradictory dichotomy of him on the one hand being

recognizable entertainer on earth, and then on the other hand, never visible.

So when you built Neverland, was it your special place to protect yourself?

Yeah, I could walk around the lake and not know what I'm being spied at.

I was just creating in my life.

Things I never got to do as a child.

Peter Pan knew what the real golden magic of childhood was all about.

And he finds these families and he takes the children to Neverland where they

stay young forever.

It was the summer of 2000.

My family and I arrived in Neverland.

Michael was so reclusive, never visible, always hidden away.

And I would say to him, you're a youthful guy and you don't have friends

He was totally alienated from his father. And I began to understand that

was living a nightmare.

Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.

Stop. Stop. Stop.

Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.

Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.

Stop.

We have to go.

Watch out. We have to go.

Watch your head.

Watch your head.

Watch your head.

Focus back.

Why are they helping us out there?

Okay, all the way up. All the way up. Let go.

I was a 21 -year -old producer trying to make it in Hollywood.

One project led to another project, and before I know it, I'm working for the

biggest star in the history of stardom, Michael Jackson.

From that day on for the next few years, me and Michael's director of

photography filmed everything for Michael.

Going into a public place with Michael Jackson can only be properly or

sufficiently understood if you actually have seen it happen.

There is no comparison.

to Michael Jackson fans versus the rest of the fandom.

It is an entire different planet.

It is people that truly look at Michael Jackson, not just as a man, but also as

a God and their religion.

It's like the biblical version of modern stardom.

But I have very, very few memories of when I actually felt like Michael was

happy.

I think that the only times that I really found Michael happy was when he

playing, when he was surrounded by kids.

And that's why Neverland was perfect for Michael Jackson.

If any kid could build their dream house, they would build Neverland Ranch.

A train station, a carousel, roller coasters, a zoo.

It was just surreal.

Michael Jackson, in my opinion, was just a kid.

I never saw a sexual side of Michael Jackson. I saw an asexual man who wanted

be 12 years old and wanted to have water balloon fights.

Welcome to Neverland. Hey!

And have a wonderful day, okay?

Thank you!

I saw a ton of kids visit Neverland.

I saw a ton of sick kids with big smiles on their faces.

I wanted to be a place where I could bring sick kids and deprived and

underprivileged from around the world.

A haven for them where they could feel safe and have some escapism.

Or kids who never got to see the type of thing in the inner city, you know,

breathe fresh air and see the mountains.

You have all these sick kids who came to Neverland Ranch and met Michael

Jackson. and met this Peter Pan -like figure, and had the time of their lives

for one day before they went back to a cancer hospital.

Michael wanted me to understand that he had noble motive, that he was a good

person, that he had a kind heart, that he was genuinely devoted to children in

general, and particularly children in particular.

And Michael kept on saying to me that a child with cancer who he had met and

befriended was coming to state for the first time.

Gavin Arviso was a 10 -year -old kid.

He was small, he was frail, and he had terminal cancer.

I remember having to edit a short film of Michael and Gavin.

The video was made for Gavin's family and for Michael to enjoy and for Michael

to have.

And I don't think it was meant for the public to see.

The first time you see it, I think you're a little taken back.

Especially if you don't know Michael Jackson really well.

It felt really uncomfortable because it's an adult man

seemingly having like a picnic with a 10 -year -old.

It shows Michael and Gavin holding hands.

And the soundtrack that Michael specifically wanted to use was I'll Be

which is a really, really sweet song.

It seems to sound like a little bit of a romantic song to the adult ear, but he

wanted to be his best friend. He wanted to give this kid the best possible

memories that he could at the end of his life.

You're going to walk out of the shot.

Gavin just had chemotherapy and stopped feeling good.

It just touches your heart.

To me, he represents the white light that we see before dying. He's that

that hope.

Don't be afraid.

It's like an angel.

I walked into Gavin's hospital room, and there was a gigantic gift basket.

full of things like PlayStations.

And I said, who gave you that?

And Gavin said, Michael.

But that's the first time I heard about the involvement of Michael Jackson in

Gavin's life.

I was teaching stand -up comedy at the Laugh Factory to kids from tough

neighborhoods.

And Gavin was naturally funny.

The Arvizos lived in East LA in a one -bedroom apartment.

There were mattresses on the floors and sheets dividing where the parents slept

and where the children slept.

Janet Arvizo had three kids. She was a...

effervescent, outgoing person who wanted to give her kids opportunities even

though they didn't have a lot of money.

Gavin was a very affectionate child and his father had been abusive.

So he craved attention.

We had comedians that work frequently at the Laugh Factory helping out as

mentors. I saw a lot of people going out of their way to help Gavin and this

family. And so he was introduced to Michael Jackson because they thought he

would get joy out of it.

Gavin would talk to me about the fun he was having at Neverland and how I should

go with them.

Janet told me that Michael and Gavin were doing a lot of pranks, a lot of

sneaking up on people, a lot of playful wrestling.

And I would say, where is everyone sleeping?

She would say, oh, we're sleeping in the cottages.

I never said to her, I worry, but my view is that Michael

Jackson probably had a sexual attraction for children.

I knew about the Jordan Chandler accusations.

So this is 10 years prior to Gavin.

Michael Jackson is at the center of a criminal investigation.

Pop superstar Michael Jackson is facing allegations of child abuse.

He knew how to manipulate his world. I am not guilty of these allegations, but

if I am guilty of anything, it is of giving all that I have to give to

help children all over the world.

Jackson settled this case out of court and paid his accuser an estimated $20

million. There's a widespread feeling that he still has something to hide.

Michael Jackson built an amusement park in the middle of nowhere.

I don't think that's the behavior of somebody who's not attracted sexually to

children.

But we don't know the truth because we're not in the room.

So all we can do is formulate an opinion.

And I wasn't worried about Gavin being targeted because he had

cancer. He was dying.

I thought, why not let him go, pet the giraffe, just

enjoy it.

What took Gavin on the Neverland?

Because you don't get to climb trees at 10 years old.

We looked up and there was the leaves and the branches and you could hear the

water down below.

Everybody should have that experience and never feel like I'm too grown up to

climb a tree.

Your love to him was amazing.

He's special.

Michael and Gavin had obviously created a bond through Gavin's sickness.

and his family had an obvious and reasonable reason to really adore

My name is Star, and I really feel sad about my brother all sick and

All they know about the cancer is aggressive and everything.

That's it.

The youngest son of the Arvizos was named Star.

And when you met Star, all he talked about was his future in comedy and TV.

Star just wanted to be a famous kid.

Star wanted to be a TV host. Star wanted so much of the L .A. and fame world.

And obviously, if you're put in Michael Jackson's world and you have access to

cameras and Neverland Ranch, you just found your way to the big time.

Welcome to the Neverland Channel. My name is Star. Here we are live at the

Neverland Park. As you can see, the kids are excited and they're full of

popcorn. Michael paid for a big production crew to make a television

You are watching the Neverland Channel.

All kids, all fun, 24 hours around the world.

And it was the exploits around Neverland Ranch, meeting the elephants, feeding

the giraffes, going on the train.

We're like Nickelodeon at Neverland.

Whoa, look at all sorts of rides over there.

Gavin was in it a little bit, but Star was the host.

As you can see, I'm here with the elephants and their trainers.

Can I ask you?

It was obviously done out of the kindness of Michael's heart to make this

Star feel good about.

or to do something for the child.

There you have it, the exclusive of the Neverland prehistoric animal.

And there it is, the exclusive of the elephant.

And that's a wrap.

On the surface, Neverland looks like a marvelous experience for children.

They felt like the most special little boys in the world. They craved more of

that. Here I am with my very, very good friend of mine.

But Michael Jackson was really good at seducing these kids. He presented

to the world as I am Peter Pan, and the spin control that he

had never had a childhood was to disarm us.

But it was a facade.

Gavin was a fierce little boy, but he suffered.

They had to remove a giant tumor from his abdomen. They also removed one of

kidneys.

I said goodbye to him in my prayers every night when I left the hospital.

We thought he would die.

I spoke to Gavin again last night.

I was crying and messing with my phone.

He said, you called me daddy.

I said, can I call you daddy? I said, of course.

Michael helped arrange blood transfusions. He helped arrange certain

cares.

And who knows why or how, but somehow Gavin Arviso survived

a terminal form of cancer.

My heart just...

broke wide open.

And he was really going to recover.

And I was just overwhelmed by that.

We went and bought Christmas presents.

I remember that Gavin's hair had all grown back.

I was almost in tears.

But when I saw him that Christmas and he was healthy,

That's when I worried about how he might really now be in harm's way regarding

Michael Jackson.

After Gavin got better, Janet told me that... She wasn't able to get through

to Michael Jackson, and they were not being invited back to Neverland.

So there were all these confusing things that were happening.

But I know how Gavin is, and, you know, once he became friends with Michael

Jackson, he wanted to spend time with Michael.

Well, after spending three years and a reputed $20 million, Michael Jackson is

out to rock the world with his first studio album of new songs in 10 years.

I am at the Beverly Hills Hotel meeting Michael Jackson for the first time.

I received a phone call from a friend at Sony who was complaining and very

worried that the Michael Jackson record was not going to come in on time.

And that was a problem because that's costing a million dollars, you know, a

minute kind of thing.

My role was to make sure that they could get a record in.

When you work with like rap artists and stuff like that, it's like no hookers,

no blow. We got to get this in and we got a due date of the 15th.

I'm there to talk business.

But then there was a mysterious man that just kind of showed up with a

briefcase.

Full of just pharmaceuticals.

There was loads of pills and drugs.

Demerol was a big one.

And then we zipped around the corner and went to a pharmacy and picked out more

drugs.

I'm like, what the hell? What is this?

Genius? What are you talking about? He's drugged out.

In the studio, I realized very quickly that we're not focused on what we should

be focused on.

He doesn't wake up until 3 in the afternoon, and then you're sitting

like, waiting for hours and hours and hours. And then he gets up, and I don't

feel like it.

He wasn't even there half the time.

I thought, why isn't anybody saying anything?

He was surrounded by yes people, and if you didn't say yes, you were whisked

into the corn.

My biggest concern was the fact that he's woozy and out of it all the time.

The fact that he would call me up from Neverland here in this house and say to

me, Shmooly, I love you, I miss you.

And I would say to Michael, you know that this is going to kill you.

Shmooly, it's medical, it's this. I said, Michael, you're too smart to talk

yourself into this. There's nothing medical about this.

I was trying to save him from a downward spiral.

At that time, Michael was divorced.

I felt very strongly that he needed a wife. He needed a soulmate.

He needed someone who would ground him.

Let's go take him up.

Let's show what you do to the crowds with your daddy in the window.

He had been married to Debbie Rowe, and they had two kids together.

People were speculating about the marriage. Was she a surrogate mother?

real marriage?

Michael made the decision to have kids that were not African -American.

He did not want them to have the looks of his father, and he didn't want them

have the traits of his father.

In 2000, he divorces Debbie Rowe, and then he's suddenly raising the kids by

himself. There were probably three and two at the time, and very attached to

him.

I was trying to resuscitate and rehabilitate Michael, not his career,

personhood.

You know, to get him, let's have a more normal schedule. Let's get the kids out

with play dates with other kids. Let's see if he can get the kids maybe into

school. And then he wasn't being productive with his artistry. The

kind of train wreck ride of not being able to focus on this record.

You can see where it's going.

It's heading towards a tragedy, a self -imposed tragedy.

Shortly after the album comes out, we are committed to go to several record

stores, one of them being the biggest is the Virgin Megastore in New York City,

Times Square.

He didn't want to be there.

There was kind of like this feeling of hope being lost.

A hit, that's what they want.

That's not what they get.

$30 million later, they get a clunker.

The latest album, Invincible, only sold a disappointing 2 million copies in the

U .S.

Invincible? I don't think so.

The train keeps going.

Where's the next stop coming to, folks?

Jackson shocked the world, dangling his own son from high atop a hotel balcony.

Once I saw him dangling his child, I mean, that was game, set, match, point

me. That man shouldn't be around children.

What's with your brother? My brother is not a crazy character. He's not the

wacko jackal that people say. He was just caught up in the moment.

Michael calls Jermaine after the Larry King interview and says, you know, don't

do any more interviews.

I have something coming up. It's going to just blow everyone away. People are

going to be amazed. They're going to be shocked with what I got coming. He

talked about what turned out to be the Martin Bashir documentary.

I started getting calls from someone who worked with Martin Bashir, his Jewish

producer, trying to, like, pull the Jewish card. I said, Willie, you're a

You therefore have to help me.

Get my boss, Martin Bashir, to interview Michael Jackson. And I went to Michael

and I said, I don't know Martin Bashir, but the thing he did with Diana was not

good.

Bombshell after bombshell, dropped by the Princess of Wales in her first ever

primetime television interview. A British public unaccustomed to

therapy sessions heard their fairytale princess admit to having an extramarital

affair, an eating disorder.

I have known the Jackson family for going on close to half a century.

I was the attorney to the family for many years.

And I knew all about the Martin Brashear documentary way far in advance.

Michael's managers asked Michael if there were any children that they could

bring to Neverland Ranch to film for the documentary.

When Gavin Arvizu's name came up, Michael hadn't seen Gavin for a

year and a half.

So many people warned him, don't do the Martin Bashir documentary.

Don't do it. He will hurt Michael. He hurt Princess Diana.

Diana divorced Charles as a result. And you're going to do a documentary with

Martin Bashir, Michael?

Don't do it, Michael.

There's a nervousness about, a very nervous, tense vibe about him

doing this documentary.

at neverland right this is an indicator that people are nervous about what

michael could be doing or saying because they can't you can't control him what

happens when you spend eight months with michael jackson abc start dropping

amazing commercials see for yourself michael jackson it looks like it was

to be a phenomenal show

And everyone is excited.

The family is excited.

Jermaine is excited.

Through our event, you have to believe.

You know, a global audience is watching this.

Michael Jackson's star has been falling for some time, but the anticipation

ahead of this documentary is now immense.

When Living with Michael Jackson airs this evening, these streets are going to

be deserted.

Fans and critics alike are saying they're going to be staying in to watch

program. With his reputation in America very much at stake, for Michael Jackson,

it must be a nervous wait.

I went to Havenhurst, Jackson's home.

I sit down in the living room there and...

You know, Catherine comes down the stairs. It's this winding staircase, and

comes down. You know, Jermaine is sitting on the couch next to me, and

talking, and it's big television there.

And we watched the Martin Bashir documentary, and I'll never forget.

Eight months ago, I put a proposal to Michael Jackson.

Show me the real man, but show me everything.

My boyfriend called and said, have you seen this?

special with Michael Jackson, I said, no, my VCR recorded it.

Jimmy said, Gavin's in it.

And my heart just sank because that didn't sound like a good idea.

I'm staying in this little crappy hotel one night. I think it was in the south

somewhere.

And it's going to be on. Should I watch it? No, Shmuley, don't succumb to

temptation. Don't watch it. You know it's going to upset you, but I watched

Did I believe that Martin Bashir was there to make Michael look good?

No, I did not.

Well, show me. I want to show you.

This is Michael Jackson's favorite shop in Las Vegas with the luckiest manager

in the world.

I love that.

You bought that.

Michael's life was not ready to be open to the public.

Because he would wake up every day at 6 in the afternoon, stay up the entire

night. And he was blowing money to compensate for feelings of maybe

worthlessness.

This chess set, isn't it beautiful, this set? And that's what you saw in that

stupid documentary. He goes in and spends $6 million on total garbage that

probably never saw again.

I bought this one, right?

Is this yours?

Yeah, that's the soul sign means for me. Okay, how much is that one?

Do we ever get this one, these ones?

It's only 89 ,000.

Being able to have a front row seat with his family and seeing their reaction,

I'll never forget where Michael tells Martin Bashir that he's climbing a tree.

Let me hold the umbrella.

Yeah. You go and climb it. And when you've climbed it, let's see how

it is.

Of course.

Like, what is wrong with that boy? You know?

Jermaine was like, this kid is crazy. He's out of his mind.

Having water balloon fights and climbing trees, I think those two are my

favorites.

Don't you prefer making love or going to a club? And he's saying he would rather

climb a tree than have sex.

This grown man? They were horrified.

Michael Jackson was...

Socially, not like you or like I.

Michael was in a different class of human. I think that's why Martin Bashir

didn't understand Michael. I think that's why most journalists didn't

Michael.

Like most Martin Bashir productions, 80 % of it is really great.

Playing with kids and comforting them, that's great.

And 20 % of it...

It's like getting shot in the head, especially the interview with the Arvizo

family.

And then I met 12 -year -old Gavin and his brother and sister.

And then there was a scene where we see this young boy, Gavin Arvizo, who

supposedly Michael helped cure his cancer.

I was like, okay, they might make something of this.

Wow.

I just remember looking at Joseph's face and Jermaine's face,

Catherine. They were stunned.

And then he finally said, OK, you love me to sleep on the bed.

I was like, oh, man.

And so I finally slept on the bed.

It was fun that night.

I put up on the floor.

It was like, what the heck was that?

And you see Gavin put his head in Michael's shoulder, and there was this

that came over the living room.

Why can't you share your bed?

The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone.

You really think that?

Yeah.

My mouth was agape.

Did you just say that it's okay for an adult to share?

A bed with a child that is not their own.

It was, for me, as if he had fallen and crashed.

But haven't you got a spare room or a spare house here where he could have

stayed? Yeah, but no, yes, we have guest units, but whenever kids come here,

they always want to stay with me.

I thought, man, he's really glutton for punishment here.

And the Jackson Zoo was a problem. They knew, based on what they had already

went through with Michael, with Jordan Chandler, that somebody is going to say

something about this. It's going to be a media talking point.

The documentary was pretty shocking.

I was worried that Michael was using Gavin to normalize his lifestyle.

sleeping with children he's not related to.

That's sort of the narcissist at work.

They always just want to stay. They say, can I stay with you tonight?

I go, if it's okay with your parents, yes, you can.

But whatever he was trying to do with Martin Bashir had backfired.

And it's Michael Jackson's brand that's at stake

here. That's big.

Pop star Michael Jackson drops one bombshell after another about his

behavior. Millions of people were watching. As Jackson revealed, he allows

children to sleep in his bed.

What kind of loony would A, do it, and B, go on national TV and admit it?

Michael made tragic, horrific mistakes. What are you doing alone with a kid in

your bed, even if it's not physical or sexual?

The next day, I decided I had to make a statement.

Those of us who were once in Michael's circle still are.

Enough of the defense.

We have got to save this man from self -destructing. We went into red alert,

hands on deck.

What can we do from a public relations standpoint to help Michael?

Every time we trust the media to do something for us, they turn around and

do us wrong. They feel even burned by the media. They feel very burned by the

media. It caused a worldwide commotion.

27 million people watched that show.

Gavin Arlito put his head to his left on Michael's right shoulder.

Michael told me that when the kid did that, he was furious.

He's putting his head on my shoulder?

What is going on here?

This is going to be terrible. Michael knew it right away.

Did Bashir tell him to do that? Well, that's the word that I got.

Do I know that for a fact?

No, I do not. You had to know that Martin Bashir was going to be Martin

and Martin Bashir bullshit was going to come out with it. And anything that was

reasonable and not provocative was going to be left on the editing room floor.

Now, Michael Jackson is fighting back, releasing some of the interview with the

British journalist. As it turns out.

Michael's personal videographer was videotaping Martin Bashir. And we

going to media outlets with that footage.

Here's some of what you didn't see.

Your relationship with your children is spectacular.

And in fact, it almost makes me weep when I see you with them because your

interaction with them is just so natural, so loving.

So caring.

That's not how it quite came out on television, is it? It was quite a

production. You've got to give the devil his due.

Martin Bashir did an incredible job.

We're at DEFCON 12 ,000, and we don't know what the possible kickback,

from this event is going to be.

Oh, we're on camera?

Yeah. We don't know this family very well. We don't know what their

are. I thought we want to keep them as far away from...

tabloids and people with checks as possible.

What are some of the things people say about Michael that are true or aren't

true?

I don't believe what they say.

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