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[ominous music]
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♪
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- Between the times
of the murders on Cielo Drive
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until the arrest
of December the 1st,
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many months before the trial,
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I went down
to the Spahn Movie Ranch
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and thought, "What the hell
is going on here?"
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This place was a cesspit.
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It was stinking.
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There was beaten up,
abandoned cars
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all over the place.
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And then I encountered
the delectable and delightful
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Sandra Good
and Lynne "Squeaky" Fromme,
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who told me that Charlie
was innocent of anything
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and was pursuing
happiness and joy
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and all that sort of stuff.
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And then I was lucky enough
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to bump into Paul Watkins
and Brooks Poston,
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who just happened
to be visiting the ranch
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and had come back
to see their pals.
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They knew Charlie was arrested,
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they knew he was in jail,
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and they knew
who was in jail with him.
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So they were not too scared
to come back.
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It was a stroke of luck.
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I mean, then they
then opened up to me
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over a couple of days,
and all of a sudden,
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I heard this unbelievable
story of Charles Manson.
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And not only
was there a coming race war,
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but it was predicted
in songs like "Helter Skelter"
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that were secret messages
to Charlie Manson
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from the Beatles.
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As a journalist,
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you should have a streak
of cynicism about you,
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but it was so outrageous
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and it kind of added up
rather well
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to what had happened.
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After that,
I wrote a very quick book
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called "5 to Die,"
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and the book came out
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two or three months
before the trial.
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And then guess what.
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Nine months later, July 1970,
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Vincent Bugliosi
stood up and said,
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"Ladies and gentlemen
of the jury,
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"I will show you that
the motive for these murders
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"was Charles Manson's belief
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"that there was gonna be
a race war.
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"And he got the message
from a group
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from Liverpool, England."
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- Now, this is far out
and unbelievable,
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but a motive
for a murder like this,
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you're simply not gonna find
within the pages
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of a textbook on police science.
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That's all there is to it.
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- And then years later,
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I ran into Mr. Aaron Stovitz,
and he said,
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"You know, your book,
Vincent took it.
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"He said he used
your Beatles thesis
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as the blueprint
for the prosecution."
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And that when
I sat in the trial,
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it looked like he had.
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- You think you're gonna get
a jury to believe that story?
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- Whether they believe it or not
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is legally irrelevant.
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We do not have to prove
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the reason why they did it.
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- You could call Vincent back.
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He would deny it vehemently,
but there it is.
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[soft dramatic music]
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♪
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♪
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[tense ambient music]
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[low, indistinct chatter]
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- Charlie was a showman
on top of everything else.
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And that's part of the way
he wielded power
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over the family members.
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From the first day of the trial,
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he was having
his Hollywood moments.
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- [echoing] You're doing this
to all these children.
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- He has a scab
in the form of an X
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on his forehead in blood.
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Manson has taken
the position that
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that is a symbolic gesture
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indicating that
he has x-ed himself
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out of society at large.
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- The girls
x-ed their own foreheads.
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♪
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Several of the girls
were sitting out front
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of the Hall of Justice.
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They were freaky.
They were a spectacle.
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Girls: ♪ Oh, whisper words,
you come to me ♪
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♪ The song I sing
for all to see ♪
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♪ The past is gone,
and now I know ♪
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♪ Inside the cell,
nowhere to go ♪
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- What people don't realize
is behind the scenes,
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this trial was the Manson show.
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He was a puppet master.
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He was pulling
everybody's strings,
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even if they weren't
aware of it.
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- Charlie had a good PR thing
going for him.
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He had Sandy Good
and Squeaky Fromme
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and a couple other girls
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that would talk about
all good things Charlie
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to anybody
that wanted to listen.
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- I showed up on the first day
of the trial,
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and Squeaky gave me
a sheet saying,
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"I've x-ed myself
out of the world."
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She knew who I was,
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and she'd known
that I had written the book,
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which was not positive
towards Mr. Manson.
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And she said in a sweet,
sing-song voice, she said,
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"Do you know what it feels like
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to have a sharp knife
slipped down your throat?"
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[ominous music]
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I went away,
went into the courthouse,
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called my wife,
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told her to take
my one-year-old daughter,
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leave the house
until further notice.
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[clicking]
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- I covered, by that time,
a number of trials,
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including one of the biggest
trials of the country,
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and that was the Sirhan trial.
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And I had never seen
a prosecutor
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hand out copies
of his opening statement,
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which he read, word for word.
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You have to remember
there were no cameras
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in the courtroom,
and there was no recording
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in the courtroom,
so by handing out copies
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of his opening statement,
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Bugliosi ensured
that not only was it reported
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the way that he wanted it
to be reported,
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but it was reported
in more depth.
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That was a very smart move
on his part.
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- I felt that
his opening statement,
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which was brilliant,
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was maybe not true entirely,
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but it was the greatest job
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of promoting a trial
that I had ever heard.
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- What about the Helter Skelter?
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- Well, as I indicated,
to Charles Manson,
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he had an obsession
with Helter Skelter.
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He constantly predicted that
Helter Skelter was coming down.
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- What about Helter Skelter?
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- That's the district
attorney's illusion.
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That's his trick.
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Helter Skelter
was a nightclub in the desert.
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It's where I run a poker game
and I shoot dice.
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And I make money and I ride
around in dune buggies.
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- I discussed
with Vincent Bugliosi
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on a dozen occasions.
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To get the conviction
he felt was necessary,
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jurors had to get a better sense
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of the sheer fantasy/insanity
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that reigned on Spahn Ranch
and the den.
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He wasn't making anything up,
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but he'd found some facts
that, if presented
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in the right way,
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would get the verdict that
he felt those crimes deserved.
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[voice echoing]
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[girls singing indistinctly]
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- It was 6 1/2 months ago
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that the Manson Family
was arrested for murdering
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Sharon Tate and six others.
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Since then, they've been
in and out of court
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dozens of times trying to get
the charges dropped.
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- How you doing, Charlie?
- Good.
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- Manson has talked
in the hallway.
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He has criticized the court.
- Pardon?
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- He has said
he can't get a fair trial.
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- It's all a play, isn't it?
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- One member of Manson's family
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will testify against him,
Linda Kasabian,
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who says she was a lookout
during the murders.
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[suspenseful music]
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- Linda Kasabian
was only with the family
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for about a month.
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She was given a tentative
offer of immunity
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if, on the stand,
she told everything she knew.
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- Well, Linda was testifying
now because Susan Atkins
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had taken away her testimony
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and gotten back into the fold.
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- Linda Kasabian,
a 21-year-old member
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of the so-called Manson Family
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and the state's star witness,
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testified
for the third straight day.
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- She said
that she and three others
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had just crawled over the fence
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into the estate area
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when the leader of her group,
Tex Watson,
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shot a man in a car
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who was driving
out of the driveway.
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From then on, she said she heard
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screams from the house,
saw people running out,
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and said it was unbelievably,
horribly terrible.
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Mrs. Kasabian said she saw
Watson stabbing one man
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on the lawn near the house,
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and that Patricia Krenwinkel
had a knife
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and was chasing another woman
across the lawn.
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The witness turned away
when she was shown a picture
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of one victim, Steven Parent.
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She said he had begged
not to be hurt.
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After the killings,
she said that
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Ms. Krenwinkel, Ms. Atkins,
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complained that the victims
had pulled their hair
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and that Ms. Krenwinkel
said her hand hurt
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because her knife had struck
bone in one of the victims.
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- You gentlemen
could see for yourselves.
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She appeared to be quite honest,
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quite relaxed,
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and answered all questions
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that were put to her
that were relevant.
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- I'd like to see them just
to fall down on their knees
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and beg forgiveness.
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Do I feel that I deserve
to be free?
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Morally or legally or what?
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I don't understand...
- Any way you like?
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- Well, that I feel that I've
told the truth and
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that I've probably helped
a lot of people.
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- Linda's testimony
is not the truth.
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She's been offered immunity.
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She gets out if she says
what she is saying.
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She gets her children back,
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and she gets out of jail.
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- How do you know this?
- And I can see the temptation
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to cooperate,
but at the same time,
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she's hurting five people
and she has to live
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in that lie she's telling.
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It's not the truth.
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- After the trial started,
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it became apparent that this
was not like any other trial.
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- The case has since
become a bizarre national
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and international sensation,
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attracting the attention
of everyone
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from President Nixon
to the curious people
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who sit in the courtroom
where the case is being heard.
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- Another bizarre time
was the time
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that Charlie held up
the front page
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of... I believe it
was the "L.A. Times."
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And it said, "Manson Guilty,
Nixon Declares."
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They had the jury removed.
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They talked about it
and decided to bring
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each juror in.
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The judge says, "And what did
you think about that?"
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I said, "Well, if the president
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"said that he thought Manson
was guilty
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"without hearing
any of the evidence,
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that was a pretty stupid
thing to say."
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- I don't think
it will have any bearing
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on the trial itself.
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I'm very confident
that each juror
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gave the judge
a truthful answer.
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- The remarks of the president
of the United States
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were simply indicative
of the climate of opinion,
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not only in Los Angeles County,
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but throughout the United States
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in regard to Manson
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and the other defendants' guilt.
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- What's the latest, Charlie?
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- If you judge my world,
I'll judge yours.
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- What came to that, Charlie?
- What's happening?
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- Ask the president.
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- They claimed a mistrial.
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The judge denied the mistrial.
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One of the lawyers
was sent to prison
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for contempt for giving
Manson the newspaper.
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[soft dramatic music]
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I was always amused
by the fact that Mr. Bugliosi
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claimed that he was hand-picked
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out of all the 500
top prosecutors
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to run the case.
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Well, it wasn't quite that way.
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Aaron Stovitz
had been warned many times
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to keep his mouth shut
in talking to the press.
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One day during the trial,
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he made an off-hand remark
about Susan Atkins
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being a better actress
than Sarah Bernhardt.
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The next day, Stovitz was gone,
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and Vincent took over.
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And the rest for Vince
is history.
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- Vince Bugliosi had been
a star college tennis player
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at the University of Miami,
and I think for Bugliosi,
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everything in life
was like a set of tennis.
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He was going to, you know,
try to control service
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and destroy your service.
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And he brought that intensity
to the Manson prosecution,
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and I think
that's what it took, actually,
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to contend with Manson's antics.
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- As a prosecutor,
Vincent Bugliosi
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was extremely hard-working,
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extremely centered upon his job.
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When he had a case,
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he had a cot in his office,
and he'd sleep there
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and he'd just inhale
the whole case
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and work and work and work.
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- I was put on
as the second chair,
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and what Vince
didn't know was that
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I was also told that
if Vince got in trouble
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with the press,
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that I would take over the case.
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- I think Vince
was obsessed with the trial,
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and Stephen Kay was not
given all that much to do
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by Vince because Vince,
as we all know,
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solved the whole case
himself single-handedly
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with a little bit of help
from the detectives.
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Not much help,
but a little bit of help.
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- So Barbara Hoyt,
Manson Family member,
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she escapes from Barker Ranch
after the murders,
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escapes because
she's had a moral break
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with Charles Manson.
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And she walks out of the desert,
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gets home, and the trial comes.
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And the family realizes
she's gonna testify
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against Manson
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because she's given
depositions to the lawyers.
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The prosecution has to share
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the depositions
with the defense.
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They know what she's gonna say.
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- Every day
I got a death threat,
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sometimes twice a day.
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Well, it was Gypsy and Squeaky
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and Clem and Sandy.
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I mean, they threatened me
every way they possibly could.
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They threatened me,
they threatened my family,
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so I cooperated with them,
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went to Hawaii with them.
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- One of the family members
takes her to Honolulu,
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and at the airport,
gives her a hamburger.
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- And she disappeared
with the hamburger.
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And I went to pay for it.
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So we sat down. She took a swipe
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off the ketchup and ate some.
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I ate the hamburger.
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00:16:19,413 --> 00:16:20,980
And the last thing
she says to me was,
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"Just imagine if there were
ten tabs of acid in that."
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00:16:23,721 --> 00:16:25,636
- There were ten tabs
of acid in the hamburger.
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[dramatic music]
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- I was high as a kite,
and then somebody said,
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you know, "Are you all right?"
And I said, "No."
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00:16:32,774 --> 00:16:35,733
and I asked him
to call a policeman.
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They gave me IV valium
to bring me down
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from the acid.
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And I told them to call
Mr. Bugliosi
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and tell him
I couldn't testify that day.
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- I guess valium
has a very extreme impact
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on... as she described it,
348
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"My mind was ripped out."
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It's a terrible thing
to have gone through.
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- Had you ever been
on an LSD trip before?
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- Not like that one. [laughs]
352
00:17:00,889 --> 00:17:02,543
- Four more
of Manson's followers
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were arrested and charged
with attempting to kill
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a prosecution witness
with an overdose of LSD.
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00:17:07,983 --> 00:17:11,726
[indistinct chatter]
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00:17:11,856 --> 00:17:15,904
- But she recovered
and testified against Manson.
357
00:17:16,035 --> 00:17:18,689
- Barbara, could you repeat
what you overheard
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00:17:18,820 --> 00:17:20,865
Susan Atkins say in the kitchen
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00:17:20,996 --> 00:17:22,676
when you were on the bed
in the other room?
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00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:25,566
- She said,
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00:17:25,696 --> 00:17:28,656
"Sharon Tate came out and said,
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00:17:28,786 --> 00:17:30,416
'what's going on here?'"
Something like that.
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00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,399
And she said, "Shut up, woman."
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00:17:32,529 --> 00:17:34,618
And then she said,
365
00:17:34,749 --> 00:17:36,055
"Sharon Tate
was the last to die.
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00:17:36,185 --> 00:17:38,622
She had to watch
the others go first."
367
00:17:38,753 --> 00:17:40,233
- Are you afraid
of Charles Manson?
368
00:17:40,363 --> 00:17:41,843
- [chuckles softly]
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00:17:41,973 --> 00:17:43,516
Not when there's a bunch
of other people around.
370
00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:45,412
- Well, were you afraid of him
371
00:17:45,542 --> 00:17:48,502
at the time that you decided
to leave Manson and the family?
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00:17:48,632 --> 00:17:51,287
- Yes.
- Why?
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- Because when he got
in the desert,
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he got meaner.
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00:17:57,598 --> 00:18:00,949
[tense ambient music]
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00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,213
- Tex Watson managed
to dodge extradition
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00:18:04,344 --> 00:18:06,433
for almost a year.
378
00:18:06,563 --> 00:18:09,827
He was the invisible person
in the courtroom,
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00:18:09,958 --> 00:18:14,441
this hometown good-body
who turned into a monster.
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00:18:14,571 --> 00:18:15,964
If he appeared in the trial,
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00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:17,748
Manson would've pointed out
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as his lawyers
would've pointed out,
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00:18:19,533 --> 00:18:22,753
well, Charlie didn't go
to the murder house.
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00:18:22,884 --> 00:18:24,886
Tex Watson led the killers.
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00:18:25,016 --> 00:18:26,844
Tex is the one to blame.
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00:18:26,975 --> 00:18:30,500
Tex knew the Sharon Tate house.
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00:18:30,631 --> 00:18:32,763
Charlie just said go out.
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00:18:32,894 --> 00:18:36,115
Tex is the real
number one fiend,
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00:18:36,245 --> 00:18:39,335
and if Tex had gone
on trial with Manson,
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00:18:39,466 --> 00:18:41,381
I wouldn't have been surprised
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00:18:41,511 --> 00:18:43,426
if Manson might've
been acquitted.
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00:18:43,557 --> 00:18:46,386
- Well, it's been ten months
of hard work, Carl,
393
00:18:46,516 --> 00:18:49,954
and, of course, we're very happy
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00:18:50,085 --> 00:18:52,653
he's on his way to California.
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00:18:52,783 --> 00:18:54,698
I think there's something
wrong with the system
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00:18:54,829 --> 00:18:57,527
that can take an alleged killer
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00:18:57,658 --> 00:18:59,094
that slaughtered people
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and hide him
in the state of Texas
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for ten months.
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00:19:07,581 --> 00:19:10,540
[dramatic music]
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00:19:12,890 --> 00:19:14,849
- Fires are sweeping
over thousands of acres
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00:19:14,979 --> 00:19:17,939
of Southern California,
filling the sky with smoke
403
00:19:18,069 --> 00:19:19,854
and threatening
several communities.
404
00:19:22,857 --> 00:19:25,686
It hasn't rained
since last spring.
405
00:19:25,816 --> 00:19:28,471
More than a hundred homes have
been destroyed or damaged.
406
00:19:30,952 --> 00:19:34,869
- The Spahn Ranch was the home
of the Manson Family.
407
00:19:34,999 --> 00:19:38,177
It burned down during the fire.
408
00:19:38,307 --> 00:19:40,962
Since that time,
many members of the family
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00:19:41,092 --> 00:19:43,617
have disappeared, gone to jail,
410
00:19:43,747 --> 00:19:48,187
and some stand vigil
waiting for Charlie.
411
00:19:59,763 --> 00:20:01,939
- I felt badly
for some of the girls
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00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:03,898
because they were not eating.
413
00:20:04,028 --> 00:20:07,728
They were really literally
sleeping out there.
414
00:20:07,858 --> 00:20:10,818
And so I would get them milk
from the milk machine
415
00:20:10,948 --> 00:20:13,212
or, you know,
snacks and bring it to them,
416
00:20:13,342 --> 00:20:16,171
which led the prosecutor
to scream at me
417
00:20:16,302 --> 00:20:18,521
and tell me
I was feeding murderers.
418
00:20:18,652 --> 00:20:23,396
But it was hard
not to feel some...
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00:20:23,526 --> 00:20:25,180
sorrow for these kids
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00:20:25,311 --> 00:20:27,138
that had been dragged
into this cult,
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00:20:27,269 --> 00:20:30,490
and now their whole life
was spent on a street corner.
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00:20:33,057 --> 00:20:35,146
- During the trial,
one day after court
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00:20:35,277 --> 00:20:38,541
on my way
to where I parked my car,
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00:20:38,672 --> 00:20:42,241
Squeaky and Sandy Good
snuck up behind me,
425
00:20:42,371 --> 00:20:44,025
and said they were gonna do
to my house
426
00:20:44,155 --> 00:20:46,549
what was done at the Tate house.
427
00:20:48,769 --> 00:20:52,033
Vince had a DA investigator
that was either inside
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00:20:52,163 --> 00:20:54,905
or in his car outside his house
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00:20:55,036 --> 00:20:56,733
for the whole trial.
430
00:20:56,864 --> 00:21:00,694
[suspenseful music]
431
00:21:00,824 --> 00:21:02,913
- Charlie would
call us in to visit.
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00:21:03,044 --> 00:21:06,961
He actually sent me
to Beverly Hills Hotel,
433
00:21:07,091 --> 00:21:09,833
and Vincent Bugliosi
was staying there
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00:21:09,964 --> 00:21:12,662
'cause he had gotten
some threats.
435
00:21:12,793 --> 00:21:15,448
And I stood outside the hotel
436
00:21:15,578 --> 00:21:19,060
with a kingsnake
wrapped around me.
437
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:22,063
And he came out, and I said,
438
00:21:22,193 --> 00:21:25,066
"Hey, Boogie,
do you want to pet my snake?"
439
00:21:25,196 --> 00:21:29,418
And he just, like, freaked
that I knew where he was.
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00:21:29,549 --> 00:21:34,728
♪
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- In the last week,
the defendants
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00:21:36,686 --> 00:21:38,079
in the Manson trial
in Los Angeles
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00:21:38,209 --> 00:21:40,037
have become
increasingly disruptive.
444
00:21:40,168 --> 00:21:42,083
Twice the court
has had them removed
445
00:21:42,213 --> 00:21:44,738
to another room where
they could hear the testimony
446
00:21:44,868 --> 00:21:46,740
but could not interrupt
the proceedings.
447
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:49,525
- In those days,
every TV station
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00:21:49,656 --> 00:21:51,527
had their own artists.
449
00:21:51,658 --> 00:21:54,922
I worked for CBS News
at that time.
450
00:21:55,052 --> 00:21:57,620
I had never set foot
in a courtroom in my life.
451
00:21:57,751 --> 00:22:01,189
And I was thrust
into the center of it.
452
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,931
There were seven artists
covering the Manson trial,
453
00:22:04,061 --> 00:22:07,108
and we sat in the front row.
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00:22:07,238 --> 00:22:09,632
And at that time, the girls,
I could touch them,
455
00:22:09,763 --> 00:22:11,982
they were so close to me,
the three of them.
456
00:22:12,113 --> 00:22:14,507
[overlapping chatter]
457
00:22:17,161 --> 00:22:19,773
- Charles Manson interrupted
the opening testimony today
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00:22:19,903 --> 00:22:21,731
to complain
to Judge Charles Older
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00:22:21,862 --> 00:22:23,907
about the conduct of the trial.
460
00:22:24,038 --> 00:22:25,909
"You are trying
to use this courtroom
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00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,476
to kill me," Manson charged.
462
00:22:27,607 --> 00:22:28,912
"You want me dead."
463
00:22:29,043 --> 00:22:31,175
The judge ordered Manson
to be quiet
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00:22:31,306 --> 00:22:32,946
or he would be removed
from the courtroom.
465
00:22:33,047 --> 00:22:35,049
- Manson was only 5'2".
466
00:22:35,179 --> 00:22:37,007
He was a short little wiry guy.
467
00:22:37,138 --> 00:22:38,922
- Manson replied,
"The minute I see
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00:22:39,053 --> 00:22:40,271
"you are going to kill me,
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00:22:40,402 --> 00:22:41,925
you know what I'm going to do."
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00:22:42,056 --> 00:22:43,884
And the judge snapped back,
471
00:22:44,014 --> 00:22:45,929
"No. What are you going to do?"
472
00:22:46,060 --> 00:22:48,932
- He jumped up
on the counsel table
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00:22:49,063 --> 00:22:50,891
with a brand new,
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00:22:51,021 --> 00:22:53,154
freshly sharpened
number two pencil.
475
00:22:53,284 --> 00:22:55,983
- And all of a sudden,
Manson yells to the judge,
476
00:22:56,113 --> 00:22:58,377
"Somebody ought to cut
your head off, old man."
477
00:22:58,507 --> 00:23:00,727
- Manson screamed,
"I will have you removed
478
00:23:00,857 --> 00:23:02,119
"if you don't stop.
479
00:23:02,250 --> 00:23:04,383
I have a little system
of my own."
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00:23:04,513 --> 00:23:06,820
Then he jumped up
and hurled himself
481
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:09,344
over the defense table
in the direction of the judge.
482
00:23:09,475 --> 00:23:11,172
- So he went
at the judge like this.
483
00:23:11,302 --> 00:23:13,609
- The bailiff
tackled him in midair,
484
00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:15,350
and it happens in an instant.
485
00:23:15,481 --> 00:23:18,701
You know, everybody sat
stunned in the courtroom.
486
00:23:18,832 --> 00:23:20,375
- And as they struggled
to take him out,
487
00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:23,184
Manson again shouted,
"You think I'm kidding?
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00:23:23,314 --> 00:23:24,968
"In the name
of Christian justice,
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00:23:25,099 --> 00:23:27,014
someone should
cut your head off."
490
00:23:27,144 --> 00:23:29,233
- The judge had the composure,
491
00:23:29,364 --> 00:23:30,800
leaned over the bench and said,
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00:23:30,931 --> 00:23:33,281
"Let the record reflect
Mr. Manson
493
00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:34,978
"has made a lunge for the bench,
494
00:23:35,109 --> 00:23:37,764
and is now being subdued
by the deputies."
495
00:23:37,894 --> 00:23:40,897
- The trial continued with
Manson and his girl followers
496
00:23:41,028 --> 00:23:43,596
listening over a loud speaker
in another room.
497
00:23:43,726 --> 00:23:47,948
[dark music]
498
00:23:48,078 --> 00:23:50,777
- Today's proceedings
were somewhat more spontaneous
499
00:23:50,907 --> 00:23:53,083
than yesterday's.
500
00:23:53,214 --> 00:23:56,043
- Bugliosi was obsessed.
501
00:23:56,173 --> 00:23:58,437
He felt he had to have
every person
502
00:23:58,567 --> 00:24:02,484
that ever set foot
at Spahn Ranch testify.
503
00:24:02,615 --> 00:24:06,270
And so you had the guy
who shoveled horse manure,
504
00:24:06,401 --> 00:24:08,229
motorcycle gangs,
505
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,666
people who just
stopped by there.
506
00:24:10,797 --> 00:24:12,755
- He called in witnesses
507
00:24:12,886 --> 00:24:14,888
who didn't really
talk about the murders.
508
00:24:15,018 --> 00:24:16,213
They talked
about Helter Skelter,
509
00:24:16,237 --> 00:24:19,719
and Charlie's idea
510
00:24:19,849 --> 00:24:22,112
that there was
going to be a race war.
511
00:24:22,243 --> 00:24:23,940
- One of the key pieces
of testimony
512
00:24:24,071 --> 00:24:26,116
came from Danny DeCarlo
513
00:24:26,247 --> 00:24:29,119
about the lifestyle,
the drugs that they used,
514
00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:30,730
and the guns at the Spahn Ranch.
515
00:24:30,860 --> 00:24:32,253
- We had fun shooting guns.
516
00:24:32,383 --> 00:24:34,255
- Mm-hmm.
- No doubt about that.
517
00:24:34,385 --> 00:24:37,345
- He took us down
to the place behind the ranch
518
00:24:37,476 --> 00:24:40,087
where Charlie used to fire
the Buntline revolver,
519
00:24:40,217 --> 00:24:42,872
and that's where we found
shell casings,
520
00:24:43,003 --> 00:24:45,003
which we matched up with one
of the murder weapons.
521
00:24:45,048 --> 00:24:46,833
- How are you?
How are you feeling?
522
00:24:46,963 --> 00:24:48,791
- I'm nervous.
523
00:24:48,922 --> 00:24:51,011
- In a case that has been
particularly gruesome,
524
00:24:51,141 --> 00:24:55,145
today's testimony was perhaps
the most horrifying yet.
525
00:24:55,276 --> 00:24:56,973
Prosecution witness
Virginia Graham
526
00:24:57,104 --> 00:24:59,323
had shared a jail cell
with Susan Atkins,
527
00:24:59,454 --> 00:25:01,369
and she testified
that Ms. Atkins told her
528
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:03,327
she had killed Sharon Tate.
529
00:25:03,458 --> 00:25:05,329
[dramatic chords]
530
00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:07,070
Mrs. Graham
went on with several hours
531
00:25:07,201 --> 00:25:08,985
of gruesome details.
532
00:25:09,116 --> 00:25:11,945
[indistinct chatter]
533
00:25:12,075 --> 00:25:15,122
- Gregg Jakobson
was fascinated by Manson,
534
00:25:15,252 --> 00:25:17,907
and he was a crucial witness
for the prosecution
535
00:25:18,038 --> 00:25:20,301
because Jakobson reiterated
536
00:25:20,431 --> 00:25:22,782
that Manson spent
hours and hours
537
00:25:22,912 --> 00:25:24,392
talking about the Beatle lyrics,
538
00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:27,047
and particularly
"Helter Skelter"
539
00:25:27,177 --> 00:25:29,658
and how they were messages
to him from the Beatles.
540
00:26:03,257 --> 00:26:05,172
- During Melcher's testimony,
541
00:26:05,302 --> 00:26:08,262
he made it clear
that he'd never offered Manson
542
00:26:08,392 --> 00:26:10,220
a recording contract.
543
00:26:10,351 --> 00:26:11,918
He thought the music was average
544
00:26:12,048 --> 00:26:13,572
or nothing special.
545
00:26:15,486 --> 00:26:18,446
Brooks Poston and Paul Watkins
546
00:26:18,577 --> 00:26:21,362
left the Manson Family
before the murders.
547
00:26:21,492 --> 00:26:24,234
They escaped
and they both testified
548
00:26:24,365 --> 00:26:25,584
for the prosecution.
549
00:26:32,721 --> 00:26:34,941
- He said Manson
gave him a knife and told him,
550
00:26:35,071 --> 00:26:36,290
"If you are with us,
551
00:26:36,420 --> 00:26:37,857
"you will take this knife,
552
00:26:37,987 --> 00:26:39,293
"sneak into the sheriff's home,
553
00:26:39,423 --> 00:26:41,425
and cut his throat."
554
00:26:41,556 --> 00:26:43,471
Poston admitted
he defied Manson's orders
555
00:26:43,602 --> 00:26:45,299
and did not kill the sheriff,
556
00:26:45,429 --> 00:26:47,189
something the defense
said showed that Manson
557
00:26:47,301 --> 00:26:48,998
did not control Poston.
558
00:26:49,129 --> 00:26:50,609
Another witness, Paul Watkins,
559
00:26:50,739 --> 00:26:52,654
said he often heard
Manson talk about
560
00:26:52,785 --> 00:26:56,310
starting a race war by killing
whites in rich suburbs
561
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,269
and making it appear
that blacks had done it.
562
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,012
- Paul Watkins testified,
"Death was Charlie's trip."
563
00:27:05,058 --> 00:27:07,408
- Some people are saying
the more domination
564
00:27:07,538 --> 00:27:10,280
you put on Manson
over his family,
565
00:27:10,411 --> 00:27:12,369
you're going
in the direction, then,
566
00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:14,241
of lessening the culpability
567
00:27:14,371 --> 00:27:16,678
of those who were dominated
568
00:27:16,809 --> 00:27:19,942
to the point where maybe
they're not guilty, Paul.
569
00:27:20,073 --> 00:27:23,032
Because if you're simply
a robot or an automaton,
570
00:27:23,163 --> 00:27:25,644
then you lack criminal intent.
571
00:27:27,341 --> 00:27:29,648
So I presented evidence
to the jury
572
00:27:29,778 --> 00:27:32,955
that there were
other members of the family
573
00:27:33,086 --> 00:27:35,479
that were equally
slavishly obedient
574
00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:37,917
to Charles Manson,
575
00:27:38,047 --> 00:27:39,327
do anything
in the world for him,
576
00:27:39,353 --> 00:27:42,356
but they wouldn't kill for him.
577
00:27:42,486 --> 00:27:44,140
And I told the jury
when those words,
578
00:27:44,271 --> 00:27:46,055
Helter Skelter,
were found printed in blood
579
00:27:46,186 --> 00:27:48,101
at the LaBianca murder scene,
580
00:27:48,231 --> 00:27:50,451
that was tantamount
to Manson's fingerprints
581
00:27:50,581 --> 00:27:52,322
being found at the murder scene.
582
00:27:52,453 --> 00:27:54,150
That was his motive.
583
00:27:59,373 --> 00:28:01,462
- I was very worried
about testifying.
584
00:28:01,592 --> 00:28:04,726
We went to the trial,
585
00:28:04,857 --> 00:28:08,077
and I was scared that I was
gonna hear Charlie's voice
586
00:28:08,208 --> 00:28:12,560
and that he was gonna
be able to intimidate me enough
587
00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:16,651
that I, you know, I wouldn't be
able to tell the truth.
588
00:28:16,782 --> 00:28:20,307
When I went into
and faced Charlie,
589
00:28:20,437 --> 00:28:22,701
Charlie was, you know,
at the defense table.
590
00:28:22,831 --> 00:28:24,591
One of the first things
that I was asked was,
591
00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:26,487
"Did you love Charlie?"
592
00:28:26,617 --> 00:28:29,446
And it was like,
"Yeah, I guess... I guess I did."
593
00:28:29,577 --> 00:28:31,971
I mean, I did have love for him,
594
00:28:32,101 --> 00:28:35,496
or I had had love for him.
595
00:28:35,626 --> 00:28:37,672
The first thing Charlie says is,
596
00:28:37,803 --> 00:28:39,413
"Don't pin it all on Mr. Manson.
597
00:28:39,543 --> 00:28:43,069
She loved everybody."
598
00:28:43,199 --> 00:28:46,159
And it just... you know,
and he did it in such a way
599
00:28:46,289 --> 00:28:50,293
that, you know,
he totally had dismissed
600
00:28:50,424 --> 00:28:52,295
what I said.
601
00:28:52,426 --> 00:28:56,125
And he was playing the crowd.
602
00:28:56,256 --> 00:28:58,562
I was very much relieved that...
603
00:28:58,693 --> 00:29:02,175
Oh, yeah,
he doesn't have, you know,
604
00:29:02,305 --> 00:29:03,865
he doesn't have control
over me anymore.
605
00:29:05,526 --> 00:29:08,703
I don't hear his voice.
606
00:29:08,834 --> 00:29:11,053
You know, and he just looked
like this little...
607
00:29:11,184 --> 00:29:15,536
This little con man pimp,
you know?
608
00:29:15,666 --> 00:29:17,407
- Charles Manson
has been listening now
609
00:29:17,538 --> 00:29:19,583
for 14 weeks
to witnesses who say
610
00:29:19,714 --> 00:29:22,021
he and the three girl defendants
611
00:29:22,151 --> 00:29:24,458
are guilty of the Tate
and LaBianca murders.
612
00:29:24,588 --> 00:29:27,548
Soon he'll get a chance
to defend himself.
613
00:29:27,678 --> 00:29:30,507
- Three young woman charged
along with Charles Manson
614
00:29:30,638 --> 00:29:33,032
in the murders
first wanted to testify,
615
00:29:33,162 --> 00:29:35,382
to confess,
it was widely speculated.
616
00:29:35,512 --> 00:29:37,340
But they insisted
the jury hear them.
617
00:29:37,471 --> 00:29:39,081
They were refused
and then decided
618
00:29:39,212 --> 00:29:41,083
they didn't want
to say anything.
619
00:29:41,214 --> 00:29:43,956
- Manson, however,
did address the court
620
00:29:44,086 --> 00:29:48,221
in a rambling, quite amazing,
621
00:29:48,351 --> 00:29:52,138
one-hour dissertation
about life and...
622
00:29:52,268 --> 00:29:53,792
I mean, without notes.
623
00:29:53,922 --> 00:29:55,532
- Through it all,
he was soft-spoken,
624
00:29:55,663 --> 00:29:57,578
at one time appearing
near tears.
625
00:29:57,708 --> 00:29:59,536
Often Manson
lost track of his story,
626
00:29:59,667 --> 00:30:01,451
telling some things
over and over,
627
00:30:01,582 --> 00:30:03,149
and then continuing incoherently
628
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,065
into another chapter
in his uneven life story.
629
00:30:06,195 --> 00:30:07,762
Only once
did he directly respond
630
00:30:07,893 --> 00:30:09,198
to the accusations against him.
631
00:30:09,329 --> 00:30:11,418
He said, "I have killed no one,
632
00:30:11,548 --> 00:30:14,029
and I have ordered
no one to be killed."
633
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,770
In apparent reference
634
00:30:15,901 --> 00:30:18,512
to his female codefendants,
Manson continued,
635
00:30:18,642 --> 00:30:20,362
"These children
who come at you with knives,
636
00:30:20,427 --> 00:30:22,081
"they are your children.
637
00:30:22,211 --> 00:30:25,258
I did not teach them, you did."
638
00:30:25,388 --> 00:30:28,522
- And after Manson
finished his rant,
639
00:30:28,652 --> 00:30:32,569
the judge said, "Now, we'll
bring the jury in Mr. Manson,
640
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:35,746
"and perhaps you'd like to say
641
00:30:35,877 --> 00:30:37,333
whatever you want to say
to the jury,"
642
00:30:37,357 --> 00:30:40,229
and Manson said, "I've said it."
643
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,014
He said,
"I'm not gonna testify."
644
00:30:42,144 --> 00:30:44,146
He didn't testify to the jury,
645
00:30:44,277 --> 00:30:47,671
and he told the girls
not to testify.
646
00:30:47,802 --> 00:30:50,500
So you had a murder trial,
capital case,
647
00:30:50,631 --> 00:30:52,633
death penalty on the line,
648
00:30:52,763 --> 00:30:55,114
and none
of the defendants testified.
649
00:30:55,244 --> 00:30:56,604
Then the defense
came out and said,
650
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,031
"We have no witnesses."
651
00:30:59,161 --> 00:31:01,207
Nobody testified.
652
00:31:01,337 --> 00:31:03,383
- Actually, we thought
it was very, very dangerous
653
00:31:03,513 --> 00:31:05,602
for him to take the stand,
and it's very dangerous
654
00:31:05,733 --> 00:31:07,430
to subject yourself
to cross-examination.
655
00:31:07,561 --> 00:31:09,389
- Are you pleased with the fact
656
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:13,523
that the defense is seemingly
offering no defense?
657
00:31:13,654 --> 00:31:15,743
- No, Stan, I'm not.
658
00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:19,399
Obviously, I'm a prosecutor,
and I seek convictions
659
00:31:19,529 --> 00:31:21,314
in any case that I'm on.
660
00:31:21,444 --> 00:31:24,404
However, I always welcome
and I encourage
661
00:31:24,534 --> 00:31:27,581
a very spirited,
vigorous defense.
662
00:31:27,711 --> 00:31:30,584
- No one is really certain
what happens next.
663
00:31:30,714 --> 00:31:33,761
It has been that kind of trial
for 23 weeks.
664
00:31:33,892 --> 00:31:36,285
- Just when the prosecution
665
00:31:36,416 --> 00:31:38,722
and the defense
rested their case,
666
00:31:38,853 --> 00:31:41,638
one of the lawyers
for Leslie Van Houten,
667
00:31:41,769 --> 00:31:45,077
Ronald Hughes, disappeared.
668
00:31:45,207 --> 00:31:47,209
[eerie music]
669
00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:49,342
During the trial,
I heard personally
670
00:31:49,472 --> 00:31:53,259
that Ron Hughes suggested
that Leslie Van Houten's case
671
00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:56,305
be separated from the rest
of the Manson Family,
672
00:31:56,436 --> 00:31:58,699
and Charlie immediately
got angry at that and said,
673
00:31:58,829 --> 00:32:00,788
"No way."
674
00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:06,576
And then suddenly,
Ronnie Hughes disappeared.
675
00:32:06,707 --> 00:32:08,796
- Well, we received
some information this morning
676
00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:11,364
from a very close personal
acquaintance of Mr. Hughes
677
00:32:11,494 --> 00:32:16,282
that Hughes contacted him
on Thanksgiving Eve
678
00:32:16,412 --> 00:32:18,806
and asked for a ride
to the Sespe Hot Springs area,
679
00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:21,548
Ventura County, which is
a remote mountainous area.
680
00:32:21,678 --> 00:32:24,507
We're actually concerned
for his physical safety.
681
00:32:24,638 --> 00:32:26,335
- Four months
after he disappeared,
682
00:32:26,466 --> 00:32:30,035
his body was found in a river.
683
00:32:31,297 --> 00:32:34,213
- The attorney who replaced
Hughes, Maxwell Keith,
684
00:32:34,343 --> 00:32:36,476
was prepared
to go into court today
685
00:32:36,606 --> 00:32:39,653
and ask that a mistrial be
declared for Ms. Van Houten.
686
00:32:39,783 --> 00:32:42,482
But when court opened,
before he could do that,
687
00:32:42,612 --> 00:32:45,180
there was a wild melee between
the three girl defendants,
688
00:32:45,311 --> 00:32:47,530
matrons, and deputies.
689
00:32:47,661 --> 00:32:50,925
It began when Ms. Van Houten
objected to her new attorney.
690
00:32:51,056 --> 00:32:53,232
She shouted at the judge,
refused to sit down,
691
00:32:53,362 --> 00:32:54,762
then she struck out
at the bailiffs.
692
00:32:57,714 --> 00:32:59,455
- Morning, Charlie.
- Morning.
693
00:32:59,586 --> 00:33:00,674
- Any comment at all?
694
00:33:00,804 --> 00:33:03,503
- I have a big laugh. [laughs]
695
00:33:03,633 --> 00:33:05,984
[tense music]
696
00:33:06,114 --> 00:33:07,898
- Irving Kanarek,
Mr. Manson's attorney,
697
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:09,596
is in the fifth day
of a marathon
698
00:33:09,726 --> 00:33:10,945
final address to the jury,
699
00:33:11,076 --> 00:33:12,555
the longest summation to a jury
700
00:33:12,686 --> 00:33:14,601
in a criminal case
in California.
701
00:33:14,731 --> 00:33:17,169
He's been accused
of conducting a filibuster,
702
00:33:17,299 --> 00:33:18,699
and he says
he is still not through.
703
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,739
- Kanarek droned on so endlessly
704
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:27,788
that the jurors requested
No Doz pills to stay awake.
705
00:33:27,918 --> 00:33:30,008
- It will be well after
the first of the year
706
00:33:30,138 --> 00:33:31,922
before the arguments
and the instructions
707
00:33:32,053 --> 00:33:33,663
are completed, and the jury
708
00:33:33,794 --> 00:33:36,797
will finally begin
its deliberations.
709
00:33:36,927 --> 00:33:40,540
[helicopter whirring]
710
00:33:40,670 --> 00:33:43,804
- We all took it very seriously.
711
00:33:43,934 --> 00:33:46,589
Took a lot of handwritten
notes during the trail.
712
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,289
[suspenseful music]
713
00:33:50,419 --> 00:33:52,726
And we had four defendants
714
00:33:52,856 --> 00:33:55,598
so you had to talk about
the defendants individually
715
00:33:55,729 --> 00:33:57,289
and talk about the evidence
that related
716
00:33:57,339 --> 00:33:59,515
to each one of them.
717
00:33:59,646 --> 00:34:01,865
But with regard
to Leslie Van Houten,
718
00:34:01,996 --> 00:34:04,825
I was the lone holdout
for a while.
719
00:34:04,955 --> 00:34:07,567
I had a little different take
720
00:34:07,697 --> 00:34:10,526
on her involvement
than most of the other jurors
721
00:34:10,657 --> 00:34:12,398
because Leslie Van Houten
was only involved
722
00:34:12,528 --> 00:34:13,877
on the second night,
723
00:34:14,008 --> 00:34:16,924
and of all the people
that were stabbed,
724
00:34:17,055 --> 00:34:21,885
she only stabbed one person,
Rosemary LaBianca,
725
00:34:22,016 --> 00:34:26,107
after she died.
726
00:34:26,238 --> 00:34:30,068
But I began to see it
as she was equally guilty.
727
00:34:32,113 --> 00:34:34,550
- It took 42 1/2 hours
of deliberating
728
00:34:34,681 --> 00:34:36,900
before the jury sent out word
that it had indeed
729
00:34:37,031 --> 00:34:39,686
reached a verdict.
730
00:34:39,816 --> 00:34:42,471
- We sat there for a while
731
00:34:42,602 --> 00:34:45,648
before we notified the bailiff,
732
00:34:45,779 --> 00:34:49,087
just letting it all sink in.
733
00:34:49,217 --> 00:34:51,611
And then we called the bailiffs
and said we have a verdict.
734
00:34:51,741 --> 00:34:53,395
- The courtroom was packed
735
00:34:53,526 --> 00:34:55,397
as the jury foreman
handed over the forms
736
00:34:55,528 --> 00:34:57,791
on which the decisions
were written.
737
00:34:57,921 --> 00:34:59,880
The three girls on trial,
Susan Atkins,
738
00:35:00,010 --> 00:35:02,100
Patricia Krenwinkel,
and Leslie Van Houten,
739
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:04,798
grinned and talked
among themselves.
740
00:35:04,928 --> 00:35:07,714
Charles Manson smiled
and stroked his beard,
741
00:35:07,844 --> 00:35:09,803
then the verdicts were read.
742
00:35:09,933 --> 00:35:12,675
- There's something called
the California conspiracy rule
743
00:35:12,806 --> 00:35:15,113
that said any member
of a conspiracy
744
00:35:15,243 --> 00:35:16,940
is equally guilty
of any crimes committed
745
00:35:17,071 --> 00:35:19,682
by his coconspirators,
746
00:35:19,813 --> 00:35:21,945
and Charlie
was obviously the head
747
00:35:22,076 --> 00:35:24,339
of the conspiracy.
748
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:26,515
So that's what got Charlie.
749
00:35:26,646 --> 00:35:28,952
Guilty. Seven counts of murder,
750
00:35:29,083 --> 00:35:32,434
and one count of conspiracy
to commit murder.
751
00:35:36,308 --> 00:35:38,875
- You've heard the verdict.
How do you feel now?
752
00:35:39,006 --> 00:35:40,529
- Are you guys proud of a system
753
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:42,096
where a man
cannot defend himself?
754
00:35:42,227 --> 00:35:45,360
There's a revolution
coming very soon.
755
00:35:45,491 --> 00:35:46,729
- What are you going to do
right now?
756
00:35:46,753 --> 00:35:48,470
- We're gonna stay here
until Charlie's out.
757
00:35:48,494 --> 00:35:50,974
[camera shutter clicking]
758
00:35:51,105 --> 00:35:53,803
- Could you have won the case
outside of Los Angeles?
759
00:35:53,934 --> 00:35:55,454
- Yes, I think
we could've won the case
760
00:35:55,501 --> 00:35:56,850
outside of Los Angeles.
761
00:35:56,980 --> 00:35:59,157
I think that we were forced
to select a jury
762
00:35:59,287 --> 00:36:01,724
from a very hostile
and antagonist community.
763
00:36:01,855 --> 00:36:03,509
- I don't believe that.
764
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:06,381
This jury is 12 people
chosen from this community.
765
00:36:06,512 --> 00:36:08,775
They based their verdict
solely and exclusively
766
00:36:08,905 --> 00:36:10,865
on the evidence that came
from that witness stand.
767
00:36:10,907 --> 00:36:12,842
They were not influenced
in any fashion whatsoever
768
00:36:12,866 --> 00:36:14,476
from any pretrial publicity.
769
00:36:14,607 --> 00:36:16,652
This is just weeping
on the part of the defense.
770
00:36:16,783 --> 00:36:17,890
- Are you going to ask
for the death penalty?
771
00:36:17,914 --> 00:36:18,914
- Yes.
772
00:36:21,614 --> 00:36:23,572
- The nearly eight-month
ordeal of sequestration
773
00:36:23,703 --> 00:36:25,400
for the jurors is not over.
774
00:36:25,531 --> 00:36:27,010
The seven men and five women
775
00:36:27,141 --> 00:36:29,883
will continue to be locked
in a hotel each night
776
00:36:30,013 --> 00:36:32,973
until they decide
life or death sentences
777
00:36:33,103 --> 00:36:34,844
in the penalty phase
of the trial,
778
00:36:34,975 --> 00:36:38,413
which will begin Thursday
and could take several weeks.
779
00:36:38,544 --> 00:36:40,720
[helicopter whirring]
780
00:36:40,850 --> 00:36:43,984
[dramatic music]
781
00:36:44,114 --> 00:36:46,552
- When the penalty
phase started,
782
00:36:46,682 --> 00:36:48,771
everything was different.
783
00:36:48,902 --> 00:36:50,817
The girls had decided to testify
784
00:36:50,947 --> 00:36:53,080
and confess to everything
785
00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:56,779
and absolve Charlie
from any responsibility.
786
00:36:56,910 --> 00:37:00,740
That was their mission from him.
787
00:37:00,870 --> 00:37:03,612
- It wasn't going to change
the outcome of the verdict,
788
00:37:03,743 --> 00:37:05,484
but during the penalty phase,
789
00:37:05,614 --> 00:37:07,529
you're looking
for mitigating factors.
790
00:37:07,660 --> 00:37:09,575
And they were trying
to save his life.
791
00:37:09,705 --> 00:37:12,447
♪
792
00:37:12,578 --> 00:37:15,233
- Manson shaved his head.
793
00:37:15,363 --> 00:37:17,931
They ended up
with shaved heads as well,
794
00:37:18,061 --> 00:37:20,281
which stunned everybody.
795
00:37:20,412 --> 00:37:23,763
Manson eventually
turned that X into a swastika.
796
00:37:23,893 --> 00:37:27,593
He looked more menacing.
797
00:37:27,723 --> 00:37:31,074
- I was in jail for 90 days
for Barbara Hoyt,
798
00:37:31,205 --> 00:37:33,729
and one of the girls
comes to visit me
799
00:37:33,860 --> 00:37:36,558
and has a piece of paper
800
00:37:36,689 --> 00:37:38,995
that she puts on the glass,
and it said,
801
00:37:39,126 --> 00:37:41,998
"The girls want you to testify,
802
00:37:42,129 --> 00:37:43,913
and this is what
they want you to say."
803
00:37:44,044 --> 00:37:45,872
[helicopter whirring]
804
00:37:46,002 --> 00:37:48,570
She said, "Read every word,"
and she said,
805
00:37:48,701 --> 00:37:51,051
"Now, Charlie's gonna be
in the courtroom
806
00:37:51,181 --> 00:37:53,183
listening to every word,
you dig?"
807
00:37:53,314 --> 00:37:55,882
Like he used to say, "You dig?"
808
00:37:56,012 --> 00:37:58,928
So I read this crazy story
809
00:37:59,059 --> 00:38:02,584
that was all Linda's idea
810
00:38:02,715 --> 00:38:05,892
because she was
a prosecution witness.
811
00:38:06,022 --> 00:38:08,721
And that's when
Vincent Bugliosi said to me,
812
00:38:08,851 --> 00:38:10,984
"You're saying all this
to make sure that
813
00:38:11,114 --> 00:38:13,639
"Charles Manson doesn't go
to a gas chamber, right?"
814
00:38:13,769 --> 00:38:16,163
And I said, "No."
815
00:38:16,294 --> 00:38:18,731
And I was just splintered.
I was just saying
816
00:38:18,861 --> 00:38:21,603
what everybody
expected me to say.
817
00:38:21,734 --> 00:38:23,257
I was acting,
818
00:38:23,388 --> 00:38:25,303
the biggest acting job
I've ever done.
819
00:38:25,433 --> 00:38:27,827
- And so they began
to take the stand,
820
00:38:27,957 --> 00:38:29,263
one after the other,
821
00:38:29,394 --> 00:38:32,048
and tell
the most horrific stories
822
00:38:32,179 --> 00:38:33,963
with details
that we had not heard
823
00:38:34,094 --> 00:38:35,574
during the trial.
824
00:38:35,704 --> 00:38:37,064
They were now convicted,
of course,
825
00:38:37,097 --> 00:38:39,186
and so they could say anything.
826
00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:41,623
And their own lawyers
refused to question them
827
00:38:41,754 --> 00:38:43,601
because they felt that
they were committing suicide
828
00:38:43,625 --> 00:38:45,105
on the stand.
829
00:38:45,235 --> 00:38:47,673
They would just let them
go up there and talk,
830
00:38:47,803 --> 00:38:49,544
and the judge allowed it.
831
00:38:49,675 --> 00:38:51,633
Susan was devastating.
832
00:38:51,764 --> 00:38:54,636
I mean, she talked about
stabbing Sharon Tate.
833
00:38:54,767 --> 00:38:56,943
- It was the first time
the jurors have heard
834
00:38:57,073 --> 00:38:58,814
an admission of guilt
from any of the four
835
00:38:58,945 --> 00:39:00,773
convicted murderers.
836
00:39:00,903 --> 00:39:02,775
Ms. Atkins said
it was Linda Kasabian
837
00:39:02,905 --> 00:39:04,951
who picked the Tate house
for the killings
838
00:39:05,081 --> 00:39:07,823
because she said she had once
been to the home to buy drugs,
839
00:39:07,954 --> 00:39:11,784
had been badly treated,
and wanted revenge.
840
00:39:11,914 --> 00:39:15,483
She said Charles Manson
was not to blame.
841
00:39:15,614 --> 00:39:18,356
- We drove to the house
842
00:39:18,486 --> 00:39:22,185
with instructions
to kill everyone in the house.
843
00:39:22,316 --> 00:39:24,274
- It was probably
the most grisly day
844
00:39:24,405 --> 00:39:26,842
of the entire trial,
and it was the most horrible.
845
00:39:26,973 --> 00:39:29,279
[dark music]
846
00:39:29,410 --> 00:39:32,413
- On the evening of August 8th,
847
00:39:32,544 --> 00:39:35,242
Charles Manson gathered
some of his family members,
848
00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:38,158
Susan Atkins and Tex Watson,
849
00:39:38,288 --> 00:39:41,379
Linda Kasabian
and Patricia Krenwinkel,
850
00:39:41,509 --> 00:39:46,209
and directed them to go
to the Cielo Drive residence.
851
00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:49,169
[eerie music]
852
00:39:49,299 --> 00:39:53,695
♪
853
00:39:53,826 --> 00:39:57,395
- I remember
getting in the car with Tex,
854
00:39:57,525 --> 00:40:01,094
and my three co-defendants.
- Tex Watson.
855
00:40:01,224 --> 00:40:02,854
- Tex and I had our own
special little stash
856
00:40:02,878 --> 00:40:04,402
of cocaine.
857
00:40:04,532 --> 00:40:06,031
Yeah, I think it was cocaine
or methadrine.
858
00:40:06,055 --> 00:40:08,101
I'm not sure which.
859
00:40:08,231 --> 00:40:09,905
We both snorted some speed
and got in the car.
860
00:40:09,929 --> 00:40:12,540
We were very, very wired.
861
00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:15,151
♪
862
00:40:15,282 --> 00:40:19,329
As we went in, a car came up.
863
00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:24,204
- The driver of the car
was 18-year-old Steven Parent.
864
00:40:24,334 --> 00:40:27,729
Watson was armed
with a .22 caliber
865
00:40:27,860 --> 00:40:30,776
Buntline revolver
that had a 9-inch barrel.
866
00:40:30,906 --> 00:40:33,822
- Um...
867
00:40:33,953 --> 00:40:35,302
- Boy Steven Parent was killed.
868
00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:36,671
- Right, was killed.
- In the car outside.
869
00:40:36,695 --> 00:40:38,784
- Right.
870
00:40:38,914 --> 00:40:42,875
- Tex shot the gun four times,
bang, bang, bang, bang.
871
00:40:46,922 --> 00:40:49,577
Tex told me to go
to the back of the house.
872
00:40:52,058 --> 00:40:55,453
And him and the girls went
to the front of the house.
873
00:40:58,325 --> 00:41:03,286
- Linda Kasabian saw Watson
at the dining room window,
874
00:41:03,417 --> 00:41:05,463
which was ajar.
875
00:41:05,593 --> 00:41:09,031
She saw him reach in
and push the window up,
876
00:41:09,162 --> 00:41:13,471
took the screen off,
then climbed in.
877
00:41:13,601 --> 00:41:16,778
He then went
and opened the front door.
878
00:41:16,909 --> 00:41:18,737
Atkins and Krenwinkel,
they came in.
879
00:41:18,867 --> 00:41:21,000
They were both armed
with knives.
880
00:41:21,130 --> 00:41:24,438
Watson told them to go check
at the back of the house,
881
00:41:24,569 --> 00:41:26,962
see if there
was anybody else there.
882
00:41:27,093 --> 00:41:29,182
When they walked past
Abigail Folger's bedroom,
883
00:41:29,312 --> 00:41:31,314
she was in bed reading,
884
00:41:31,445 --> 00:41:35,754
and she just waved at Atkins
and Krenwinkel like,
885
00:41:35,884 --> 00:41:38,191
"Well,
I guess they're just guests
886
00:41:38,321 --> 00:41:42,369
of Sharon Tate or whoever."
887
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,327
- The people in the house
888
00:41:44,458 --> 00:41:47,026
were all brought
into the living room.
889
00:41:50,377 --> 00:41:53,685
- Watson smashed Jay Sebring
in the face
890
00:41:53,815 --> 00:41:56,209
with the gun butt
891
00:41:56,339 --> 00:41:59,255
and shot him and stabbed him
seven times.
892
00:42:01,954 --> 00:42:06,219
At that point,
pandemonium broke loose.
893
00:42:06,349 --> 00:42:08,197
- All I can remember seeing
is people just scattering
894
00:42:08,221 --> 00:42:10,179
in different places
895
00:42:10,310 --> 00:42:12,573
and running in different places.
896
00:42:12,704 --> 00:42:16,011
- Abigail Folger ran out
of the back of the house.
897
00:42:16,142 --> 00:42:19,014
Krenwinkel chased her
with an upraised knife,
898
00:42:19,145 --> 00:42:22,365
and on the shutters
next to the back door,
899
00:42:22,496 --> 00:42:24,237
left a fingerprint.
900
00:42:24,367 --> 00:42:27,196
And so with that fingerprint,
901
00:42:27,327 --> 00:42:30,548
Krenwinkel could be placed
inside the residence.
902
00:42:30,678 --> 00:42:34,464
Krenwinkel chased her
to the front yard,
903
00:42:34,595 --> 00:42:37,337
jumped on her,
and started stabbing her.
904
00:42:37,467 --> 00:42:41,384
Abigail Folger
was stabbed 28 times.
905
00:42:41,515 --> 00:42:43,604
Now in the meantime,
906
00:42:43,735 --> 00:42:47,129
Wojciech Frykowski
tried to run out of the house.
907
00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:49,001
- Next thing I know,
908
00:42:49,131 --> 00:42:51,351
a man comes stumbling
out of the house,
909
00:42:51,481 --> 00:42:53,962
covered in blood,
and falls down,
910
00:42:54,093 --> 00:42:56,095
and Tex starts stabbing him.
911
00:42:56,225 --> 00:43:01,230
- Frykowski was hit 13 times
with the gun butt.
912
00:43:01,361 --> 00:43:03,885
He was shot several times,
913
00:43:04,016 --> 00:43:09,021
and he ended up
getting stabbed 51 times.
914
00:43:09,151 --> 00:43:14,287
Atkins, all the while,
had Sharon Tate at knifepoint,
915
00:43:14,417 --> 00:43:18,944
and Sharon Tate was crying
and pleading and begging.
916
00:43:19,074 --> 00:43:21,860
[dramatic music]
917
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:25,167
♪
918
00:43:25,298 --> 00:43:27,866
- I remember
that I felt nothing.
919
00:43:27,996 --> 00:43:30,520
I felt absolutely nothing
for her
920
00:43:30,651 --> 00:43:34,002
as she begged for her life
and for the life of her baby.
921
00:43:38,528 --> 00:43:41,053
- Watson, with this long rope
that he brought in,
922
00:43:41,183 --> 00:43:43,882
threw the rope
over the high beam,
923
00:43:44,012 --> 00:43:47,276
tied one end
around Jay Sebring's neck,
924
00:43:47,407 --> 00:43:49,278
and the other
around Sharon Tate's neck.
925
00:43:52,412 --> 00:43:55,937
Then Susan Atkins took a towel,
926
00:43:56,068 --> 00:43:58,592
and on the front door
in Sharon Tate's blood
927
00:43:58,723 --> 00:44:00,202
that she had dipped
the towel in,
928
00:44:00,333 --> 00:44:02,204
wrote the word "pig."
929
00:44:02,335 --> 00:44:05,817
[eerie music]
930
00:44:05,947 --> 00:44:07,340
Now, the next day,
931
00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:10,648
Manson gathered Susan Atkins,
932
00:44:10,778 --> 00:44:13,346
Patricia Krenwinkel,
Leslie Van Houten,
933
00:44:13,476 --> 00:44:17,872
Linda Kasabian, Tex Watson,
and Steve Grogan.
934
00:44:18,003 --> 00:44:19,047
They drove around.
935
00:44:19,178 --> 00:44:21,223
Manson gave directions
936
00:44:21,354 --> 00:44:23,312
about where to go.
937
00:44:23,443 --> 00:44:27,142
They ended up at the house
next door
938
00:44:27,273 --> 00:44:30,624
to where Leno
and Rosemary LaBianca lived.
939
00:44:30,755 --> 00:44:32,539
So Manson went up to the house,
940
00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:35,977
found an unlocked door,
941
00:44:36,108 --> 00:44:37,544
and came in.
942
00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:40,112
He was armed with a firearm.
943
00:44:40,242 --> 00:44:42,114
He got the drop on both of them,
944
00:44:42,244 --> 00:44:44,682
and he tied them
945
00:44:44,812 --> 00:44:47,206
with their hands behind
their back with rawhide.
946
00:44:47,336 --> 00:44:48,511
He told the LaBiancas
947
00:44:48,642 --> 00:44:50,470
this was just a robbery,
948
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,081
and that he wasn't
going to hurt them.
949
00:44:56,258 --> 00:44:59,000
- Manson came back,
looked in the car,
950
00:44:59,131 --> 00:45:01,263
and he pointed at Pat and I
and told us to get out
951
00:45:01,394 --> 00:45:04,353
and go do what Tex said.
952
00:45:04,484 --> 00:45:08,009
He said to Tex to make sure
that everybody did something.
953
00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:10,359
- So Watson,
who was armed with a bayonet,
954
00:45:10,490 --> 00:45:12,535
and the two women
entered the house
955
00:45:12,666 --> 00:45:15,321
and immediately Krenwinkel
went to the kitchen
956
00:45:15,451 --> 00:45:17,584
and got knives for herself
957
00:45:17,715 --> 00:45:20,979
and Leslie Van Houten.
958
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:23,285
- Tex said for Pat and I to take
959
00:45:23,416 --> 00:45:25,548
Mrs. LaBianca into the bedroom.
960
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:28,290
- Van Houten took
a pillowcase from the bed,
961
00:45:28,421 --> 00:45:30,640
put it over Rosemary's head,
962
00:45:30,771 --> 00:45:33,208
unplugged the lamp
on the nightstand,
963
00:45:33,339 --> 00:45:34,993
and wrapped the cord
964
00:45:35,123 --> 00:45:37,517
around the base
of the pillowcase
965
00:45:37,647 --> 00:45:39,954
with the lamp still attached.
966
00:45:40,085 --> 00:45:42,565
At which point,
Rosemary could hear Leno
967
00:45:42,696 --> 00:45:46,265
getting stabbed
in the front living room.
968
00:45:46,395 --> 00:45:49,050
♪
969
00:45:49,181 --> 00:45:52,140
And Rosemary had
this sudden burst of energy
970
00:45:52,271 --> 00:45:54,229
where she took the lamp cord
971
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,102
and swung the lamp
in Van Houten's direction.
972
00:45:57,232 --> 00:46:00,540
Van Houten knocked
the lamp out of her hands
973
00:46:00,670 --> 00:46:02,324
and wrestled her
down to the bed.
974
00:46:02,455 --> 00:46:05,327
And Krenwinkel,
with the kitchen knife,
975
00:46:05,458 --> 00:46:07,068
stabbed her
as hard as she could,
976
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:10,724
but hit her collarbone
and the knife blade bent.
977
00:46:10,855 --> 00:46:13,553
Van Houten immediately
ran to the hallway and said,
978
00:46:13,683 --> 00:46:15,903
"Tex, Tex, it's not working."
979
00:46:16,034 --> 00:46:18,340
And so Watson came in,
980
00:46:18,471 --> 00:46:21,256
and Watson and Van Houten
then proceeded
981
00:46:21,387 --> 00:46:23,998
to stab Rosemary LaBianca.
982
00:46:24,129 --> 00:46:25,783
- When I started stabbing,
I didn't...
983
00:46:25,913 --> 00:46:27,567
I didn't really have
any idea in my mind
984
00:46:27,697 --> 00:46:30,396
that it's a real feeling.
985
00:46:30,526 --> 00:46:33,312
It's... it's not even like
cutting a piece of meat.
986
00:46:33,442 --> 00:46:36,271
It's much tougher.
987
00:46:36,402 --> 00:46:40,101
I just completely bled out
on that woman's back.
988
00:46:40,232 --> 00:46:44,410
- Rosemary LaBianca
was stabbed 41 times.
989
00:46:44,540 --> 00:46:46,673
One of the stab wounds
from Watson's bayonet
990
00:46:46,804 --> 00:46:49,328
severed her spinal cord.
991
00:46:49,458 --> 00:46:51,765
Leno was in the living room.
992
00:46:51,896 --> 00:46:53,680
Krenwinkel plunged
the carving fork
993
00:46:53,811 --> 00:46:56,117
in his abdomen seven times,
994
00:46:56,248 --> 00:47:00,513
and then she stabbed him
12 times with a knife.
995
00:47:00,643 --> 00:47:05,474
And she carved the word
"W-A-R" in his abdomen.
996
00:47:05,605 --> 00:47:09,565
After Leno and Rosemary
were murdered,
997
00:47:09,696 --> 00:47:12,307
Watson and Krenwinkel
took showers.
998
00:47:12,438 --> 00:47:16,311
And Leslie Van Houten
went to the refrigerator
999
00:47:16,442 --> 00:47:18,661
in LaBianca's kitchen,
the same refrigerator
1000
00:47:18,792 --> 00:47:21,795
that had "Helter Skelter"
in blood written on it.
1001
00:47:21,926 --> 00:47:24,537
And she got out
some chocolate milk
1002
00:47:24,667 --> 00:47:27,627
and drank the chocolate milk.
1003
00:47:27,757 --> 00:47:29,977
I think Watson had some cheese.
1004
00:47:30,108 --> 00:47:36,549
♪
1005
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:39,247
When they got Leno
into the coroner's office
1006
00:47:39,378 --> 00:47:41,032
and took the pillowcase off,
1007
00:47:41,162 --> 00:47:43,643
he had a knife with the handle
1008
00:47:43,773 --> 00:47:46,689
protruding out of one side
of the neck,
1009
00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:49,562
the blade traversing his neck,
severing a carotid artery,
1010
00:47:49,692 --> 00:47:51,477
and part of the blade
sticking out
1011
00:47:51,607 --> 00:47:53,305
of the other side of his neck.
1012
00:47:56,569 --> 00:48:00,703
- It was
incomprehensible slaughter
1013
00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:03,271
of innocent people.
1014
00:48:03,402 --> 00:48:06,448
And that was hard for anybody
to get their minds around.
1015
00:48:06,579 --> 00:48:08,233
It was beyond drama.
1016
00:48:08,363 --> 00:48:11,497
It was horrific.
1017
00:48:11,627 --> 00:48:16,328
[suspenseful music]
1018
00:48:16,458 --> 00:48:22,290
- Charles Manson preached
the idea of love and peace.
1019
00:48:22,421 --> 00:48:27,295
He hid behind the idea of love
and the hippie culture,
1020
00:48:27,426 --> 00:48:31,473
but he used it as a shield.
1021
00:48:31,604 --> 00:48:35,303
Obviously,
considering executing somebody
1022
00:48:35,434 --> 00:48:38,698
is a pretty tough decision.
1023
00:48:38,828 --> 00:48:42,223
I think we deliberated
three days for the penalty.
1024
00:48:42,354 --> 00:48:44,356
We talked about it
and talked about it,
1025
00:48:44,486 --> 00:48:46,086
and we all agreed
that the death sentence
1026
00:48:46,184 --> 00:48:47,968
was the right punishment.
1027
00:48:50,014 --> 00:48:52,930
- How does it feel to be out?
- Good.
1028
00:48:53,060 --> 00:48:54,757
- And so the Manson jury
ends its stay
1029
00:48:54,888 --> 00:48:57,325
at the Ambassador Hotel
after seven months
1030
00:48:57,456 --> 00:49:00,328
of being sequestered on orders
of Judge Charles Older.
1031
00:49:04,506 --> 00:49:06,595
- Today, the judge formally
passed sentence
1032
00:49:06,726 --> 00:49:09,381
on Charles Manson and his girls.
1033
00:49:09,511 --> 00:49:12,819
The death penalty, he said,
for seven senseless murders.
1034
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:15,343
- What are your thoughts
of the verdict handed down?
1035
00:49:15,474 --> 00:49:17,389
- What is the verdict?
- Death.
1036
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:19,739
- For all of them?
- Death for all of them.
1037
00:49:19,869 --> 00:49:21,175
- For all.
1038
00:49:21,306 --> 00:49:23,917
Uh... you know what?
1039
00:49:24,048 --> 00:49:27,007
The system
has just judged itself.
1040
00:49:27,138 --> 00:49:29,792
It's just judged itself.
It's all a matter of time now.
1041
00:49:29,923 --> 00:49:32,099
You can't kill love.
1042
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:33,971
You can't kill the soul.
1043
00:49:34,101 --> 00:49:36,625
And the love and the soul
is in the penitentiaries
1044
00:49:36,756 --> 00:49:38,497
and it's in the jails,
1045
00:49:38,627 --> 00:49:41,674
and those brothers and sisters
are coming out soon.
1046
00:49:41,804 --> 00:49:45,417
And they're gonna judge you
as you have judged them.
1047
00:49:45,547 --> 00:49:48,333
[eerie music]
1048
00:49:48,463 --> 00:49:50,465
♪
1049
00:49:50,596 --> 00:49:54,774
[distorted voice echoes
indistinctly]
1050
00:49:54,904 --> 00:49:57,864
- People would visit Charlie.
1051
00:49:57,995 --> 00:50:00,171
Squeaky came back and said,
1052
00:50:00,301 --> 00:50:02,869
"I got some acid for everybody."
1053
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,698
Okay, so we all took acid.
1054
00:50:05,828 --> 00:50:08,309
And then she said,
1055
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,808
"Charlie would like us
to show the world
1056
00:50:09,832 --> 00:50:12,270
how much we love him."
1057
00:50:13,575 --> 00:50:15,708
I said, "Okay."
1058
00:50:15,838 --> 00:50:18,450
And so she said,
"What we're gonna do is start...
1059
00:50:18,580 --> 00:50:20,843
It was around
the Whiskey a Go Go
1060
00:50:20,974 --> 00:50:22,889
on Sunset Boulevard.
1061
00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:24,978
And we're gonna crawl
1062
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:28,416
all the way
back to the courthouse.
1063
00:50:33,552 --> 00:50:35,032
- ♪ If you don't think
1064
00:50:35,162 --> 00:50:38,861
♪ This world
is filled with pain ♪
1065
00:50:38,992 --> 00:50:44,345
♪ You don't know
that wars become insane ♪
1066
00:50:44,476 --> 00:50:49,481
♪ No explanation
is an insult to your brain ♪
1067
00:50:49,611 --> 00:50:52,614
♪ Then you try
dying in the rain ♪
1068
00:50:52,745 --> 00:50:54,051
- When the acid was coming on,
1069
00:50:54,181 --> 00:50:56,009
you kind of feel like
you can do anything
1070
00:50:56,140 --> 00:50:58,446
and you don't feel much
physically,
1071
00:50:58,577 --> 00:51:00,927
but it got pretty excruciating.
1072
00:51:01,058 --> 00:51:03,190
And I thought to myself,
1073
00:51:03,321 --> 00:51:05,366
"Well, this does it.
1074
00:51:05,497 --> 00:51:07,629
I'll be crippled for life now."
1075
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,718
- ♪ When you see
the little children ♪
1076
00:51:09,849 --> 00:51:12,895
♪ Play with guns
1077
00:51:13,026 --> 00:51:17,944
♪ And you let them think
that killing is fun ♪
1078
00:51:18,075 --> 00:51:19,511
♪ If you're too dumb
1079
00:51:19,641 --> 00:51:21,643
♪ To know the harm you've done ♪
1080
00:51:21,774 --> 00:51:23,297
- The police just checked to see
1081
00:51:23,428 --> 00:51:24,690
if any of us had warrants.
1082
00:51:24,820 --> 00:51:27,693
- ♪ Try bleeding in the sun
1083
00:51:27,823 --> 00:51:31,958
- And I was very glad
when I had warrants
1084
00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:34,656
out for me for traffic tickets.
1085
00:51:34,787 --> 00:51:38,051
They took me
and Mary Brunner in,
1086
00:51:38,182 --> 00:51:40,097
and the other girls crawled on.
1087
00:51:40,227 --> 00:51:44,927
- ♪ I've got too much
on my mind ♪
1088
00:51:45,058 --> 00:51:47,452
♪ I've got too much
- I still have some scars...
1089
00:51:47,582 --> 00:51:50,498
- ♪ On my mind
1090
00:51:50,629 --> 00:51:53,588
- On one knee from that crawl.
1091
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,982
- How did you get rid
of the X on your forehead?
1092
00:51:56,113 --> 00:51:58,289
- I actually did it myself.
1093
00:51:58,419 --> 00:52:00,682
Mm-hmm. I sanded it off.
1094
00:52:03,903 --> 00:52:06,688
- Oh, my goodness.
1095
00:52:06,819 --> 00:52:08,927
- I think it's important when
we look at the Manson Family
1096
00:52:08,951 --> 00:52:11,693
to understand that they
operated very much like a cult.
1097
00:52:11,824 --> 00:52:13,956
So it starts out
that an individual
1098
00:52:14,087 --> 00:52:16,916
with a certain
personality structure
1099
00:52:17,046 --> 00:52:19,832
seeks out individuals
who are vulnerable.
1100
00:52:19,962 --> 00:52:24,532
[soft dramatic music]
1101
00:52:24,663 --> 00:52:27,927
There's an initial stage
where a person is bombarded
1102
00:52:28,057 --> 00:52:30,712
with messages of love
and complete acceptance,
1103
00:52:30,843 --> 00:52:33,193
so the person feels that
1104
00:52:33,324 --> 00:52:35,674
in all of the schools
of thought that led to them
1105
00:52:35,804 --> 00:52:38,677
being not good enough,
have now been disintegrated,
1106
00:52:38,807 --> 00:52:41,070
and they have found a place
where it's not necessary
1107
00:52:41,201 --> 00:52:44,552
to meet any of the criteria
of the outside world.
1108
00:52:44,683 --> 00:52:47,555
The person is then isolated,
1109
00:52:47,686 --> 00:52:49,557
and there is a relentless effort
1110
00:52:49,688 --> 00:52:52,691
to keep the media
away from them.
1111
00:52:52,821 --> 00:52:54,867
If it slips though,
1112
00:52:54,997 --> 00:52:57,609
the message is that it's lies.
It's untrue.
1113
00:52:57,739 --> 00:53:01,134
You only believe
the leader of the cult.
1114
00:53:01,265 --> 00:53:02,701
There is then
a period of treating
1115
00:53:02,831 --> 00:53:04,485
the person very badly,
1116
00:53:04,616 --> 00:53:07,619
either through forced
sexual activity,
1117
00:53:07,749 --> 00:53:10,448
beating them, belittling them,
1118
00:53:10,578 --> 00:53:12,798
so that what
psychologically happens
1119
00:53:12,928 --> 00:53:14,800
is the individual now says,
1120
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:16,758
"I want to get back to a place
1121
00:53:16,889 --> 00:53:18,717
"where I get
the perfect acceptance
1122
00:53:18,847 --> 00:53:20,240
"that I was getting before,
1123
00:53:20,371 --> 00:53:23,548
and I would do absolutely
anything to get it."
1124
00:53:23,678 --> 00:53:25,898
All of the strengths
that would create boundaries
1125
00:53:26,028 --> 00:53:27,552
between themself and the leader
1126
00:53:27,682 --> 00:53:30,685
are disintegrated gradually.
1127
00:53:30,816 --> 00:53:32,774
And what Charlie did
was to make people believe
1128
00:53:32,905 --> 00:53:34,602
that the disintegration
of their ego
1129
00:53:34,733 --> 00:53:36,517
was philosophically driven
1130
00:53:36,648 --> 00:53:39,825
and that it was being done
for their own good.
1131
00:53:39,955 --> 00:53:44,090
When reality, it was all
the interest of himself.
1132
00:53:44,221 --> 00:53:48,268
- The element of con man
in Charlie as a philosopher
1133
00:53:48,399 --> 00:53:52,577
was essential because
you can't have a philosopher
1134
00:53:52,707 --> 00:53:55,928
or a guru, whatever,
without also being a con man.
1135
00:53:59,061 --> 00:54:00,802
- The closer you get
to the Manson case,
1136
00:54:00,933 --> 00:54:02,978
the more you focus in,
1137
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:05,024
the less glamorous it becomes,
1138
00:54:05,154 --> 00:54:07,200
and you realize
that Charles Manson
1139
00:54:07,331 --> 00:54:09,942
took over the lives
of these kids
1140
00:54:10,072 --> 00:54:13,467
and hurt everyone,
1141
00:54:13,598 --> 00:54:16,253
ruined everyone around him.
1142
00:54:17,950 --> 00:54:20,257
Because he had lived in prison
1143
00:54:20,387 --> 00:54:23,260
for more than half
of his life at this time,
1144
00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:26,785
he was very canny
and was charismatic.
1145
00:54:26,915 --> 00:54:29,396
He knew how to twist people.
1146
00:54:29,527 --> 00:54:30,919
He knew how to survive.
1147
00:54:34,053 --> 00:54:35,576
I think any of us,
1148
00:54:35,707 --> 00:54:37,143
if we'd been walking
down the road
1149
00:54:37,274 --> 00:54:39,537
in the summer of 1969
1150
00:54:39,667 --> 00:54:40,947
and had a fight
with our parents,
1151
00:54:41,016 --> 00:54:45,194
could've ended up
in the Manson Family.
1152
00:54:45,325 --> 00:54:47,936
- It makes me sad a little bit
when I look back on it
1153
00:54:48,067 --> 00:54:52,071
because most of us
just loved each other,
1154
00:54:52,201 --> 00:54:56,945
and we didn't realize that...
1155
00:54:57,076 --> 00:55:00,558
we were looking up to someone
that was so damaged.
1156
00:55:03,038 --> 00:55:05,171
- The thing that was driving
Charlie at that time
1157
00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:08,522
was his insecurities,
1158
00:55:08,653 --> 00:55:10,611
his fear and paranoia.
1159
00:55:10,742 --> 00:55:14,093
And it became directed
at his own people.
1160
00:55:14,223 --> 00:55:17,923
- It came during this height
1161
00:55:18,053 --> 00:55:20,317
of the hippie culture.
1162
00:55:20,447 --> 00:55:23,450
Everybody was looking
for this enlightenment.
1163
00:55:23,581 --> 00:55:26,975
And then with these murders,
1164
00:55:27,106 --> 00:55:29,804
just out of the blue,
scaring everybody,
1165
00:55:29,935 --> 00:55:32,590
and people not knowing
how this happened,
1166
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:37,595
and then to find out
it's this ragtag,
1167
00:55:37,725 --> 00:55:41,860
you know, band of guru
Charlie Manson followers.
1168
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:44,776
And then watching them,
you know,
1169
00:55:44,906 --> 00:55:47,648
parade down the halls
of justice,
1170
00:55:47,779 --> 00:55:52,523
singing in satin dresses
and just looney tunes.
1171
00:55:52,653 --> 00:55:54,089
- A part of it, I think,
is because
1172
00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:55,526
it's just so hard to believe.
1173
00:55:55,656 --> 00:55:57,049
That little thing
that Charlie had,
1174
00:55:57,179 --> 00:56:00,095
whatever it was
that made people go to him.
1175
00:56:00,226 --> 00:56:02,184
Maybe that's part
of the reason why
1176
00:56:02,315 --> 00:56:04,012
we're still talking about it,
1177
00:56:04,143 --> 00:56:05,666
that almost supernatural
1178
00:56:05,797 --> 00:56:08,539
whatever the heck
it was about him.
1179
00:56:08,669 --> 00:56:10,976
Maybe that's it. I don't know.
1180
00:56:11,106 --> 00:56:17,678
♪
1181
00:56:19,811 --> 00:56:21,987
- There has never been
a lack of interest
1182
00:56:22,117 --> 00:56:23,728
in the Manson story
1183
00:56:23,858 --> 00:56:26,818
because it is
1184
00:56:26,948 --> 00:56:29,168
something that was such
an aberration.
1185
00:56:29,298 --> 00:56:30,952
It changed society.
1186
00:56:31,083 --> 00:56:34,652
It brings out all of our fear.
1187
00:56:34,782 --> 00:56:37,263
- I think
the Charles Manson case
1188
00:56:37,394 --> 00:56:39,657
is of enduring fascination
1189
00:56:39,787 --> 00:56:43,400
because LA changed forever.
1190
00:56:43,530 --> 00:56:47,186
There's a paranoid culture
in modern LA
1191
00:56:47,316 --> 00:56:50,102
that was not here in the 1960s.
1192
00:56:50,232 --> 00:56:52,147
One of the most
incredible things is that
1193
00:56:52,278 --> 00:56:53,845
Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys
1194
00:56:53,975 --> 00:56:56,021
could pick up two
of the Manson girls
1195
00:56:56,151 --> 00:56:58,458
hitchhiking
on Pacific Coast Highway,
1196
00:56:58,589 --> 00:57:00,218
and the next thing you know,
the Manson Family
1197
00:57:00,242 --> 00:57:04,029
has moved into his house
in Pacific Palisades.
1198
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:06,988
It was a more innocent time
in that regard,
1199
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,774
and the Manson killings
ended that time.
1200
00:57:09,904 --> 00:57:13,821
[helicopter whirring]
1201
00:57:13,952 --> 00:57:16,345
- People have been brainwashed
1202
00:57:16,476 --> 00:57:20,654
or have read so much
about the real reason
1203
00:57:20,785 --> 00:57:24,919
behind these murders
was to start a race war
1204
00:57:25,050 --> 00:57:26,878
that they believe it,
1205
00:57:27,008 --> 00:57:30,185
and I do not think that
that was true.
1206
00:57:30,316 --> 00:57:32,231
- A large number of people
1207
00:57:32,361 --> 00:57:35,452
believe that it was
this Helter Skelter theory,
1208
00:57:35,582 --> 00:57:39,760
which I don't believe,
and if it was not,
1209
00:57:39,891 --> 00:57:41,632
then what was it?
1210
00:57:41,762 --> 00:57:43,111
That's the question.
1211
00:57:49,291 --> 00:57:52,338
- People glamorize the case,
and it wasn't glamorous.
1212
00:57:52,469 --> 00:57:56,908
People think Spahn Ranch
was groovy.
1213
00:57:57,038 --> 00:57:59,040
Free sex, love.
1214
00:57:59,171 --> 00:58:01,608
But it was syphilis and violence
1215
00:58:01,739 --> 00:58:03,131
and motorcycle gangs
1216
00:58:03,262 --> 00:58:06,961
and rape and degradation.
1217
00:58:10,922 --> 00:58:12,837
- Look at the bodies,
look at the lives
1218
00:58:12,967 --> 00:58:15,143
that were destroyed.
1219
00:58:18,495 --> 00:58:22,629
And singed and paralyzed...
1220
00:58:24,936 --> 00:58:29,810
By this man and what he wrought.
1221
00:58:29,941 --> 00:58:33,118
- What Charlie wanted
more than anything
1222
00:58:33,248 --> 00:58:38,340
was to be famous,
to be important.
1223
00:58:38,471 --> 00:58:42,257
And curse his soul...
1224
00:58:44,477 --> 00:58:46,740
He did it.
We're still talking about him.
1225
00:58:46,871 --> 00:58:48,481
The puppeteer played us,
1226
00:58:48,612 --> 00:58:50,135
and he didn't just play us once,
1227
00:58:50,265 --> 00:58:52,398
he kept doing it.
1228
00:58:52,529 --> 00:58:54,226
He knew what strings to yank,
1229
00:58:54,356 --> 00:58:55,836
and when the time was right,
1230
00:58:55,967 --> 00:58:59,231
he always did it.
1231
00:58:59,361 --> 00:59:01,842
Let's take what we can learn
from Manson
1232
00:59:01,973 --> 00:59:05,672
and finally, thank God,
move on past him.
1233
00:59:09,371 --> 00:59:12,157
[mellow music]
1234
00:59:12,287 --> 00:59:19,164
♪
1235
00:59:32,743 --> 00:59:36,921
- ♪ Pull the string,
and I'll wink at you ♪
1236
00:59:37,051 --> 00:59:39,837
♪ I'm your puppet
1237
00:59:39,967 --> 00:59:43,405
♪
1238
00:59:43,536 --> 00:59:48,236
♪ I'll do funny things
if you want me to ♪
1239
00:59:48,367 --> 00:59:51,065
♪ I'm your puppet
1240
00:59:51,196 --> 00:59:55,417
♪
1241
00:59:55,548 --> 01:00:01,206
♪ I'm yours
to have and to hold ♪
1242
01:00:01,336 --> 01:00:07,429
♪ Darling,
you've got full control ♪
1243
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,389
♪ Of your puppet
1244
01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:14,349
♪
1245
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:19,267
♪ Pull another string,
and I'll kiss your lips ♪
1246
01:00:19,398 --> 01:00:22,096
♪ I'm your puppet
1247
01:00:22,227 --> 01:00:26,187
♪
1248
01:00:26,318 --> 01:00:28,276
♪ Snap your finger
1249
01:00:28,407 --> 01:00:30,844
♪ And I'll turn you some flips ♪
1250
01:00:30,975 --> 01:00:33,412
♪ I'm your puppet
1251
01:00:33,542 --> 01:00:37,851
♪
1252
01:00:37,982 --> 01:00:43,161
♪ Your every wish
is my command ♪
1253
01:00:43,291 --> 01:00:46,294
♪ All you gotta do is wave
1254
01:00:46,425 --> 01:00:50,168
♪ Your little hand
1255
01:00:50,298 --> 01:00:51,909
♪ I'm your puppet
1256
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:56,043
♪
1257
01:00:56,174 --> 01:00:57,784
♪ I'm your puppet
1258
01:00:57,915 --> 01:01:03,007
♪
1259
01:01:03,137 --> 01:01:06,010
♪ I'm just a toy
1260
01:01:06,140 --> 01:01:08,665
♪ Just a funny boy
1261
01:01:08,795 --> 01:01:12,277
♪ That makes you laugh
when you are blue ♪
1262
01:01:12,407 --> 01:01:14,540
♪
1263
01:01:14,671 --> 01:01:17,456
♪ I'll be wonderful
1264
01:01:17,586 --> 01:01:20,502
♪ I'll do just what I'm told
1265
01:01:20,633 --> 01:01:24,942
♪ I'll do anything for you
1266
01:01:25,072 --> 01:01:27,814
♪ 'Cause I'm your puppet
1267
01:01:27,945 --> 01:01:31,557
♪
1268
01:01:31,688 --> 01:01:34,908
♪ Darling, darling
1269
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:37,258
♪ Darling, darling
1270
01:01:37,389 --> 01:01:40,087
♪ I'm your puppet
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♪
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- Greg, move your head.
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