1 00:00:13,361 --> 00:00:16,364 [ominous music] 2 00:00:16,494 --> 00:00:23,327 ♪ 3 00:00:27,070 --> 00:00:29,681 - Between the times of the murders on Cielo Drive 4 00:00:29,812 --> 00:00:31,901 until the arrest of December the 1st, 5 00:00:32,032 --> 00:00:34,295 many months before the trial, 6 00:00:34,425 --> 00:00:36,645 I went down to the Spahn Movie Ranch 7 00:00:36,775 --> 00:00:39,517 and thought, "What the hell is going on here?" 8 00:00:39,648 --> 00:00:43,565 This place was a cesspit. 9 00:00:43,695 --> 00:00:45,567 It was stinking. 10 00:00:47,438 --> 00:00:50,528 There was beaten up, abandoned cars 11 00:00:50,659 --> 00:00:52,356 all over the place. 12 00:00:54,619 --> 00:00:57,883 And then I encountered the delectable and delightful 13 00:00:58,014 --> 00:01:02,062 Sandra Good and Lynne "Squeaky" Fromme, 14 00:01:02,192 --> 00:01:04,499 who told me that Charlie was innocent of anything 15 00:01:04,629 --> 00:01:07,328 and was pursuing happiness and joy 16 00:01:07,458 --> 00:01:09,199 and all that sort of stuff. 17 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:13,856 And then I was lucky enough 18 00:01:13,986 --> 00:01:17,642 to bump into Paul Watkins and Brooks Poston, 19 00:01:17,773 --> 00:01:20,080 who just happened to be visiting the ranch 20 00:01:20,210 --> 00:01:22,343 and had come back to see their pals. 21 00:01:22,473 --> 00:01:23,581 They knew Charlie was arrested, 22 00:01:23,605 --> 00:01:24,910 they knew he was in jail, 23 00:01:25,041 --> 00:01:26,956 and they knew who was in jail with him. 24 00:01:27,087 --> 00:01:30,568 So they were not too scared to come back. 25 00:01:30,699 --> 00:01:32,396 It was a stroke of luck. 26 00:01:32,527 --> 00:01:34,703 I mean, then they then opened up to me 27 00:01:34,833 --> 00:01:37,575 over a couple of days, and all of a sudden, 28 00:01:37,706 --> 00:01:41,840 I heard this unbelievable story of Charles Manson. 29 00:01:41,971 --> 00:01:44,408 And not only was there a coming race war, 30 00:01:44,539 --> 00:01:47,933 but it was predicted in songs like "Helter Skelter" 31 00:01:48,064 --> 00:01:51,415 that were secret messages to Charlie Manson 32 00:01:51,546 --> 00:01:53,374 from the Beatles. 33 00:01:55,071 --> 00:01:56,812 As a journalist, 34 00:01:56,942 --> 00:01:59,684 you should have a streak of cynicism about you, 35 00:01:59,815 --> 00:02:01,773 but it was so outrageous 36 00:02:01,904 --> 00:02:03,645 and it kind of added up rather well 37 00:02:03,775 --> 00:02:06,126 to what had happened. 38 00:02:06,256 --> 00:02:09,303 After that, I wrote a very quick book 39 00:02:09,433 --> 00:02:11,261 called "5 to Die," 40 00:02:11,392 --> 00:02:12,871 and the book came out 41 00:02:13,002 --> 00:02:15,700 two or three months before the trial. 42 00:02:15,831 --> 00:02:18,312 And then guess what. 43 00:02:18,442 --> 00:02:21,097 Nine months later, July 1970, 44 00:02:21,228 --> 00:02:24,753 Vincent Bugliosi stood up and said, 45 00:02:24,883 --> 00:02:27,103 "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 46 00:02:27,234 --> 00:02:30,367 "I will show you that the motive for these murders 47 00:02:30,498 --> 00:02:31,803 "was Charles Manson's belief 48 00:02:31,934 --> 00:02:34,589 "that there was gonna be a race war. 49 00:02:34,719 --> 00:02:36,765 "And he got the message from a group 50 00:02:36,895 --> 00:02:38,854 from Liverpool, England." 51 00:02:38,984 --> 00:02:40,725 - Now, this is far out and unbelievable, 52 00:02:40,856 --> 00:02:42,256 but a motive for a murder like this, 53 00:02:42,292 --> 00:02:44,076 you're simply not gonna find within the pages 54 00:02:44,207 --> 00:02:45,556 of a textbook on police science. 55 00:02:45,687 --> 00:02:47,558 That's all there is to it. 56 00:02:47,689 --> 00:02:49,169 - And then years later, 57 00:02:49,299 --> 00:02:53,651 I ran into Mr. Aaron Stovitz, and he said, 58 00:02:53,782 --> 00:02:56,959 "You know, your book, Vincent took it. 59 00:02:57,089 --> 00:03:00,615 "He said he used your Beatles thesis 60 00:03:00,745 --> 00:03:03,748 as the blueprint for the prosecution." 61 00:03:03,879 --> 00:03:05,837 And that when I sat in the trial, 62 00:03:05,968 --> 00:03:08,100 it looked like he had. 63 00:03:08,231 --> 00:03:09,904 - You think you're gonna get a jury to believe that story? 64 00:03:09,928 --> 00:03:10,949 - Whether they believe it or not 65 00:03:10,973 --> 00:03:11,973 is legally irrelevant. 66 00:03:12,017 --> 00:03:13,541 We do not have to prove 67 00:03:13,671 --> 00:03:15,760 the reason why they did it. 68 00:03:15,891 --> 00:03:17,893 - You could call Vincent back. 69 00:03:18,023 --> 00:03:22,332 He would deny it vehemently, but there it is. 70 00:03:24,856 --> 00:03:27,555 [soft dramatic music] 71 00:03:27,685 --> 00:03:34,518 ♪ 72 00:03:59,021 --> 00:04:05,897 ♪ 73 00:04:14,906 --> 00:04:16,952 [tense ambient music] 74 00:04:17,082 --> 00:04:20,303 [low, indistinct chatter] 75 00:04:20,434 --> 00:04:22,914 - Charlie was a showman on top of everything else. 76 00:04:25,874 --> 00:04:27,745 And that's part of the way he wielded power 77 00:04:27,876 --> 00:04:30,661 over the family members. 78 00:04:30,792 --> 00:04:32,272 From the first day of the trial, 79 00:04:32,402 --> 00:04:35,318 he was having his Hollywood moments. 80 00:04:35,449 --> 00:04:37,538 - [echoing] You're doing this to all these children. 81 00:04:37,668 --> 00:04:40,018 - He has a scab in the form of an X 82 00:04:40,149 --> 00:04:42,064 on his forehead in blood. 83 00:04:42,194 --> 00:04:45,023 Manson has taken the position that 84 00:04:45,154 --> 00:04:46,938 that is a symbolic gesture 85 00:04:47,069 --> 00:04:48,940 indicating that he has x-ed himself 86 00:04:49,071 --> 00:04:52,030 out of society at large. 87 00:04:52,988 --> 00:04:56,078 - The girls x-ed their own foreheads. 88 00:04:56,208 --> 00:05:00,082 ♪ 89 00:05:00,212 --> 00:05:01,886 Several of the girls were sitting out front 90 00:05:01,910 --> 00:05:03,303 of the Hall of Justice. 91 00:05:03,433 --> 00:05:07,611 They were freaky. They were a spectacle. 92 00:05:07,742 --> 00:05:11,963 Girls: ♪ Oh, whisper words, you come to me ♪ 93 00:05:12,094 --> 00:05:16,098 ♪ The song I sing for all to see ♪ 94 00:05:16,228 --> 00:05:20,102 ♪ The past is gone, and now I know ♪ 95 00:05:20,232 --> 00:05:24,846 ♪ Inside the cell, nowhere to go ♪ 96 00:05:24,976 --> 00:05:29,024 - What people don't realize is behind the scenes, 97 00:05:29,154 --> 00:05:32,810 this trial was the Manson show. 98 00:05:32,941 --> 00:05:34,899 He was a puppet master. 99 00:05:35,030 --> 00:05:37,598 He was pulling everybody's strings, 100 00:05:37,728 --> 00:05:39,817 even if they weren't aware of it. 101 00:05:39,948 --> 00:05:42,124 - Charlie had a good PR thing going for him. 102 00:05:42,254 --> 00:05:45,214 He had Sandy Good and Squeaky Fromme 103 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:46,998 and a couple other girls 104 00:05:47,129 --> 00:05:49,740 that would talk about all good things Charlie 105 00:05:49,871 --> 00:05:51,873 to anybody that wanted to listen. 106 00:05:54,397 --> 00:05:57,792 - I showed up on the first day of the trial, 107 00:05:57,922 --> 00:05:59,663 and Squeaky gave me a sheet saying, 108 00:05:59,794 --> 00:06:03,058 "I've x-ed myself out of the world." 109 00:06:03,188 --> 00:06:04,799 She knew who I was, 110 00:06:04,929 --> 00:06:06,844 and she'd known that I had written the book, 111 00:06:06,975 --> 00:06:10,413 which was not positive towards Mr. Manson. 112 00:06:10,544 --> 00:06:13,764 And she said in a sweet, sing-song voice, she said, 113 00:06:13,895 --> 00:06:15,984 "Do you know what it feels like 114 00:06:16,114 --> 00:06:19,814 to have a sharp knife slipped down your throat?" 115 00:06:19,944 --> 00:06:22,817 [ominous music] 116 00:06:22,947 --> 00:06:25,689 I went away, went into the courthouse, 117 00:06:25,820 --> 00:06:27,343 called my wife, 118 00:06:27,474 --> 00:06:30,346 told her to take my one-year-old daughter, 119 00:06:30,477 --> 00:06:33,523 leave the house until further notice. 120 00:06:34,655 --> 00:06:36,744 [clicking] 121 00:06:37,614 --> 00:06:40,922 - I covered, by that time, a number of trials, 122 00:06:41,052 --> 00:06:43,185 including one of the biggest trials of the country, 123 00:06:43,315 --> 00:06:44,969 and that was the Sirhan trial. 124 00:06:45,100 --> 00:06:48,233 And I had never seen a prosecutor 125 00:06:48,364 --> 00:06:51,628 hand out copies of his opening statement, 126 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:54,196 which he read, word for word. 127 00:06:54,326 --> 00:06:56,198 You have to remember there were no cameras 128 00:06:56,328 --> 00:06:58,156 in the courtroom, and there was no recording 129 00:06:58,287 --> 00:07:01,159 in the courtroom, so by handing out copies 130 00:07:01,290 --> 00:07:02,900 of his opening statement, 131 00:07:03,031 --> 00:07:06,121 Bugliosi ensured that not only was it reported 132 00:07:06,251 --> 00:07:08,950 the way that he wanted it to be reported, 133 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,083 but it was reported in more depth. 134 00:07:12,214 --> 00:07:15,435 That was a very smart move on his part. 135 00:07:15,565 --> 00:07:17,785 - I felt that his opening statement, 136 00:07:17,915 --> 00:07:19,134 which was brilliant, 137 00:07:19,264 --> 00:07:21,963 was maybe not true entirely, 138 00:07:22,093 --> 00:07:24,748 but it was the greatest job 139 00:07:24,879 --> 00:07:27,098 of promoting a trial that I had ever heard. 140 00:07:27,229 --> 00:07:29,753 - What about the Helter Skelter? 141 00:07:29,884 --> 00:07:32,016 - Well, as I indicated, to Charles Manson, 142 00:07:32,147 --> 00:07:33,888 he had an obsession with Helter Skelter. 143 00:07:34,018 --> 00:07:37,674 He constantly predicted that Helter Skelter was coming down. 144 00:07:37,805 --> 00:07:39,241 - What about Helter Skelter? 145 00:07:39,371 --> 00:07:41,765 - That's the district attorney's illusion. 146 00:07:41,896 --> 00:07:43,941 That's his trick. 147 00:07:44,072 --> 00:07:46,335 Helter Skelter was a nightclub in the desert. 148 00:07:46,466 --> 00:07:48,990 It's where I run a poker game and I shoot dice. 149 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,036 And I make money and I ride around in dune buggies. 150 00:07:52,167 --> 00:07:54,952 - I discussed with Vincent Bugliosi 151 00:07:55,083 --> 00:07:56,998 on a dozen occasions. 152 00:07:59,217 --> 00:08:02,264 To get the conviction he felt was necessary, 153 00:08:02,394 --> 00:08:04,701 jurors had to get a better sense 154 00:08:04,832 --> 00:08:08,488 of the sheer fantasy/insanity 155 00:08:08,618 --> 00:08:11,752 that reigned on Spahn Ranch and the den. 156 00:08:15,190 --> 00:08:18,323 He wasn't making anything up, 157 00:08:18,454 --> 00:08:20,325 but he'd found some facts that, if presented 158 00:08:20,456 --> 00:08:23,154 in the right way, 159 00:08:23,285 --> 00:08:26,636 would get the verdict that he felt those crimes deserved. 160 00:08:30,118 --> 00:08:31,902 [voice echoing] 161 00:08:43,914 --> 00:08:47,570 [girls singing indistinctly] 162 00:08:50,051 --> 00:08:51,574 - It was 6 1/2 months ago 163 00:08:51,705 --> 00:08:53,881 that the Manson Family was arrested for murdering 164 00:08:54,011 --> 00:08:56,144 Sharon Tate and six others. 165 00:08:56,274 --> 00:08:58,059 Since then, they've been in and out of court 166 00:08:58,189 --> 00:09:00,452 dozens of times trying to get the charges dropped. 167 00:09:00,583 --> 00:09:02,106 - How you doing, Charlie? - Good. 168 00:09:02,237 --> 00:09:04,326 - Manson has talked in the hallway. 169 00:09:04,456 --> 00:09:06,371 He has criticized the court. - Pardon? 170 00:09:06,502 --> 00:09:08,678 - He has said he can't get a fair trial. 171 00:09:08,809 --> 00:09:10,201 - It's all a play, isn't it? 172 00:09:10,332 --> 00:09:11,986 - One member of Manson's family 173 00:09:12,116 --> 00:09:14,423 will testify against him, Linda Kasabian, 174 00:09:14,554 --> 00:09:16,381 who says she was a lookout during the murders. 175 00:09:16,512 --> 00:09:19,341 [suspenseful music] 176 00:09:19,471 --> 00:09:25,565 ♪ 177 00:09:25,695 --> 00:09:27,295 - Linda Kasabian was only with the family 178 00:09:27,392 --> 00:09:29,394 for about a month. 179 00:09:29,525 --> 00:09:32,963 She was given a tentative offer of immunity 180 00:09:33,094 --> 00:09:37,228 if, on the stand, she told everything she knew. 181 00:09:37,359 --> 00:09:39,970 - Well, Linda was testifying now because Susan Atkins 182 00:09:40,101 --> 00:09:42,843 had taken away her testimony 183 00:09:42,973 --> 00:09:46,063 and gotten back into the fold. 184 00:09:46,194 --> 00:09:48,152 - Linda Kasabian, a 21-year-old member 185 00:09:48,283 --> 00:09:50,198 of the so-called Manson Family 186 00:09:50,328 --> 00:09:52,026 and the state's star witness, 187 00:09:52,156 --> 00:09:54,245 testified for the third straight day. 188 00:09:54,376 --> 00:09:56,900 - She said that she and three others 189 00:09:57,031 --> 00:09:58,423 had just crawled over the fence 190 00:09:58,554 --> 00:10:00,600 into the estate area 191 00:10:00,730 --> 00:10:02,330 when the leader of her group, Tex Watson, 192 00:10:02,384 --> 00:10:04,168 shot a man in a car 193 00:10:04,299 --> 00:10:06,214 who was driving out of the driveway. 194 00:10:06,344 --> 00:10:07,911 From then on, she said she heard 195 00:10:08,042 --> 00:10:11,219 screams from the house, saw people running out, 196 00:10:11,349 --> 00:10:15,310 and said it was unbelievably, horribly terrible. 197 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,139 Mrs. Kasabian said she saw Watson stabbing one man 198 00:10:18,269 --> 00:10:20,054 on the lawn near the house, 199 00:10:20,184 --> 00:10:22,317 and that Patricia Krenwinkel had a knife 200 00:10:22,447 --> 00:10:26,408 and was chasing another woman across the lawn. 201 00:10:26,538 --> 00:10:28,578 The witness turned away when she was shown a picture 202 00:10:28,628 --> 00:10:30,455 of one victim, Steven Parent. 203 00:10:30,586 --> 00:10:33,589 She said he had begged not to be hurt. 204 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,156 After the killings, she said that 205 00:10:35,286 --> 00:10:37,941 Ms. Krenwinkel, Ms. Atkins, 206 00:10:38,072 --> 00:10:40,465 complained that the victims had pulled their hair 207 00:10:40,596 --> 00:10:43,077 and that Ms. Krenwinkel said her hand hurt 208 00:10:43,207 --> 00:10:47,472 because her knife had struck bone in one of the victims. 209 00:10:47,603 --> 00:10:49,300 - You gentlemen could see for yourselves. 210 00:10:49,431 --> 00:10:50,824 She appeared to be quite honest, 211 00:10:50,954 --> 00:10:52,129 quite relaxed, 212 00:10:52,260 --> 00:10:53,653 and answered all questions 213 00:10:53,783 --> 00:10:57,178 that were put to her that were relevant. 214 00:10:57,308 --> 00:10:59,833 - I'd like to see them just to fall down on their knees 215 00:10:59,963 --> 00:11:01,791 and beg forgiveness. 216 00:11:03,575 --> 00:11:05,926 Do I feel that I deserve to be free? 217 00:11:08,058 --> 00:11:10,974 Morally or legally or what? 218 00:11:11,105 --> 00:11:13,150 I don't understand... - Any way you like? 219 00:11:13,281 --> 00:11:16,284 - Well, that I feel that I've told the truth and 220 00:11:16,414 --> 00:11:18,054 that I've probably helped a lot of people. 221 00:11:19,461 --> 00:11:22,812 - Linda's testimony is not the truth. 222 00:11:22,943 --> 00:11:26,120 She's been offered immunity. 223 00:11:26,250 --> 00:11:28,209 She gets out if she says what she is saying. 224 00:11:28,339 --> 00:11:30,254 She gets her children back, 225 00:11:30,385 --> 00:11:32,082 and she gets out of jail. 226 00:11:32,213 --> 00:11:34,234 - How do you know this? - And I can see the temptation 227 00:11:34,258 --> 00:11:36,478 to cooperate, but at the same time, 228 00:11:36,608 --> 00:11:38,567 she's hurting five people and she has to live 229 00:11:38,698 --> 00:11:39,873 in that lie she's telling. 230 00:11:40,003 --> 00:11:41,135 It's not the truth. 231 00:11:45,966 --> 00:11:47,532 - After the trial started, 232 00:11:47,663 --> 00:11:50,840 it became apparent that this was not like any other trial. 233 00:11:53,190 --> 00:11:55,410 - The case has since become a bizarre national 234 00:11:55,540 --> 00:11:57,455 and international sensation, 235 00:11:57,586 --> 00:11:59,283 attracting the attention of everyone 236 00:11:59,414 --> 00:12:01,764 from President Nixon to the curious people 237 00:12:01,895 --> 00:12:05,289 who sit in the courtroom where the case is being heard. 238 00:12:05,420 --> 00:12:07,509 - Another bizarre time was the time 239 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:10,381 that Charlie held up the front page 240 00:12:10,512 --> 00:12:13,515 of... I believe it was the "L.A. Times." 241 00:12:13,645 --> 00:12:18,476 And it said, "Manson Guilty, Nixon Declares." 242 00:12:18,607 --> 00:12:20,565 They had the jury removed. 243 00:12:20,696 --> 00:12:22,282 They talked about it and decided to bring 244 00:12:22,306 --> 00:12:24,091 each juror in. 245 00:12:24,221 --> 00:12:26,658 The judge says, "And what did you think about that?" 246 00:12:26,789 --> 00:12:29,183 I said, "Well, if the president 247 00:12:29,313 --> 00:12:31,446 "said that he thought Manson was guilty 248 00:12:31,576 --> 00:12:33,056 "without hearing any of the evidence, 249 00:12:33,187 --> 00:12:35,537 that was a pretty stupid thing to say." 250 00:12:35,667 --> 00:12:36,688 - I don't think it will have any bearing 251 00:12:36,712 --> 00:12:38,061 on the trial itself. 252 00:12:38,192 --> 00:12:40,063 I'm very confident that each juror 253 00:12:40,194 --> 00:12:41,804 gave the judge a truthful answer. 254 00:12:41,935 --> 00:12:44,241 - The remarks of the president of the United States 255 00:12:44,372 --> 00:12:46,374 were simply indicative of the climate of opinion, 256 00:12:46,504 --> 00:12:48,028 not only in Los Angeles County, 257 00:12:48,158 --> 00:12:49,464 but throughout the United States 258 00:12:49,594 --> 00:12:51,466 in regard to Manson 259 00:12:51,596 --> 00:12:53,337 and the other defendants' guilt. 260 00:12:53,468 --> 00:12:55,035 - What's the latest, Charlie? 261 00:12:55,165 --> 00:12:58,429 - If you judge my world, I'll judge yours. 262 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:01,606 - What came to that, Charlie? - What's happening? 263 00:13:01,737 --> 00:13:03,652 - Ask the president. 264 00:13:03,783 --> 00:13:05,393 - They claimed a mistrial. 265 00:13:05,523 --> 00:13:08,091 The judge denied the mistrial. 266 00:13:08,222 --> 00:13:10,485 One of the lawyers was sent to prison 267 00:13:10,615 --> 00:13:12,661 for contempt for giving Manson the newspaper. 268 00:13:12,792 --> 00:13:17,622 [soft dramatic music] 269 00:13:17,753 --> 00:13:21,322 I was always amused by the fact that Mr. Bugliosi 270 00:13:21,452 --> 00:13:22,758 claimed that he was hand-picked 271 00:13:22,889 --> 00:13:26,631 out of all the 500 top prosecutors 272 00:13:26,762 --> 00:13:28,198 to run the case. 273 00:13:28,329 --> 00:13:31,506 Well, it wasn't quite that way. 274 00:13:31,636 --> 00:13:33,638 Aaron Stovitz had been warned many times 275 00:13:33,769 --> 00:13:35,684 to keep his mouth shut in talking to the press. 276 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:37,512 One day during the trial, 277 00:13:37,642 --> 00:13:40,471 he made an off-hand remark about Susan Atkins 278 00:13:40,602 --> 00:13:42,778 being a better actress than Sarah Bernhardt. 279 00:13:42,909 --> 00:13:46,477 The next day, Stovitz was gone, 280 00:13:46,608 --> 00:13:49,089 and Vincent took over. 281 00:13:49,219 --> 00:13:50,960 And the rest for Vince is history. 282 00:13:53,006 --> 00:13:56,357 - Vince Bugliosi had been a star college tennis player 283 00:13:56,487 --> 00:13:59,664 at the University of Miami, and I think for Bugliosi, 284 00:13:59,795 --> 00:14:02,363 everything in life was like a set of tennis. 285 00:14:02,493 --> 00:14:05,192 He was going to, you know, try to control service 286 00:14:05,322 --> 00:14:07,237 and destroy your service. 287 00:14:07,368 --> 00:14:10,632 And he brought that intensity to the Manson prosecution, 288 00:14:10,762 --> 00:14:13,809 and I think that's what it took, actually, 289 00:14:13,940 --> 00:14:15,767 to contend with Manson's antics. 290 00:14:15,898 --> 00:14:18,248 - As a prosecutor, Vincent Bugliosi 291 00:14:18,379 --> 00:14:20,511 was extremely hard-working, 292 00:14:20,642 --> 00:14:23,688 extremely centered upon his job. 293 00:14:23,819 --> 00:14:25,908 When he had a case, 294 00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:28,606 he had a cot in his office, and he'd sleep there 295 00:14:28,737 --> 00:14:31,087 and he'd just inhale the whole case 296 00:14:31,218 --> 00:14:32,915 and work and work and work. 297 00:14:34,656 --> 00:14:36,658 - I was put on as the second chair, 298 00:14:36,788 --> 00:14:39,704 and what Vince didn't know was that 299 00:14:39,835 --> 00:14:43,708 I was also told that if Vince got in trouble 300 00:14:43,839 --> 00:14:45,710 with the press, 301 00:14:45,841 --> 00:14:47,451 that I would take over the case. 302 00:14:49,714 --> 00:14:53,631 - I think Vince was obsessed with the trial, 303 00:14:53,762 --> 00:14:56,896 and Stephen Kay was not given all that much to do 304 00:14:57,026 --> 00:14:59,333 by Vince because Vince, as we all know, 305 00:14:59,463 --> 00:15:02,510 solved the whole case himself single-handedly 306 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,468 with a little bit of help from the detectives. 307 00:15:04,599 --> 00:15:06,159 Not much help, but a little bit of help. 308 00:15:12,476 --> 00:15:14,783 - So Barbara Hoyt, Manson Family member, 309 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:18,918 she escapes from Barker Ranch after the murders, 310 00:15:19,048 --> 00:15:21,529 escapes because she's had a moral break 311 00:15:21,659 --> 00:15:24,314 with Charles Manson. 312 00:15:24,445 --> 00:15:26,708 And she walks out of the desert, 313 00:15:26,838 --> 00:15:30,712 gets home, and the trial comes. 314 00:15:30,842 --> 00:15:33,106 And the family realizes she's gonna testify 315 00:15:33,236 --> 00:15:35,412 against Manson 316 00:15:35,543 --> 00:15:37,806 because she's given depositions to the lawyers. 317 00:15:37,937 --> 00:15:39,590 The prosecution has to share 318 00:15:39,721 --> 00:15:41,201 the depositions with the defense. 319 00:15:41,331 --> 00:15:43,725 They know what she's gonna say. 320 00:15:43,855 --> 00:15:45,135 - Every day I got a death threat, 321 00:15:45,205 --> 00:15:46,467 sometimes twice a day. 322 00:15:46,597 --> 00:15:49,296 Well, it was Gypsy and Squeaky 323 00:15:49,426 --> 00:15:52,864 and Clem and Sandy. 324 00:15:52,995 --> 00:15:54,886 I mean, they threatened me every way they possibly could. 325 00:15:54,910 --> 00:15:56,627 They threatened me, they threatened my family, 326 00:15:56,651 --> 00:15:58,305 so I cooperated with them, 327 00:15:58,435 --> 00:16:01,482 went to Hawaii with them. 328 00:16:01,612 --> 00:16:04,267 - One of the family members takes her to Honolulu, 329 00:16:04,398 --> 00:16:07,749 and at the airport, gives her a hamburger. 330 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:10,317 - And she disappeared with the hamburger. 331 00:16:10,447 --> 00:16:12,362 And I went to pay for it. 332 00:16:12,493 --> 00:16:13,842 So we sat down. She took a swipe 333 00:16:13,973 --> 00:16:16,149 off the ketchup and ate some. 334 00:16:16,279 --> 00:16:19,282 I ate the hamburger. 335 00:16:19,413 --> 00:16:20,980 And the last thing she says to me was, 336 00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:23,591 "Just imagine if there were ten tabs of acid in that." 337 00:16:23,721 --> 00:16:25,636 - There were ten tabs of acid in the hamburger. 338 00:16:25,767 --> 00:16:27,987 [dramatic music] 339 00:16:28,117 --> 00:16:30,902 - I was high as a kite, and then somebody said, 340 00:16:31,033 --> 00:16:32,750 you know, "Are you all right?" And I said, "No." 341 00:16:32,774 --> 00:16:35,733 and I asked him to call a policeman. 342 00:16:35,864 --> 00:16:37,561 They gave me IV valium to bring me down 343 00:16:37,692 --> 00:16:39,259 from the acid. 344 00:16:39,389 --> 00:16:40,825 And I told them to call Mr. Bugliosi 345 00:16:40,956 --> 00:16:43,567 and tell him I couldn't testify that day. 346 00:16:43,698 --> 00:16:46,527 - I guess valium has a very extreme impact 347 00:16:46,657 --> 00:16:48,703 on... as she described it, 348 00:16:48,833 --> 00:16:52,489 "My mind was ripped out." 349 00:16:52,620 --> 00:16:55,710 It's a terrible thing to have gone through. 350 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,800 - Had you ever been on an LSD trip before? 351 00:16:58,930 --> 00:17:00,758 - Not like that one. [laughs] 352 00:17:00,889 --> 00:17:02,543 - Four more of Manson's followers 353 00:17:02,673 --> 00:17:04,675 were arrested and charged with attempting to kill 354 00:17:04,806 --> 00:17:07,852 a prosecution witness with an overdose of LSD. 355 00:17:07,983 --> 00:17:11,726 [indistinct chatter] 356 00:17:11,856 --> 00:17:15,904 - But she recovered and testified against Manson. 357 00:17:16,035 --> 00:17:18,689 - Barbara, could you repeat what you overheard 358 00:17:18,820 --> 00:17:20,865 Susan Atkins say in the kitchen 359 00:17:20,996 --> 00:17:22,676 when you were on the bed in the other room? 360 00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:25,566 - She said, 361 00:17:25,696 --> 00:17:28,656 "Sharon Tate came out and said, 362 00:17:28,786 --> 00:17:30,416 'what's going on here?'" Something like that. 363 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,399 And she said, "Shut up, woman." 364 00:17:32,529 --> 00:17:34,618 And then she said, 365 00:17:34,749 --> 00:17:36,055 "Sharon Tate was the last to die. 366 00:17:36,185 --> 00:17:38,622 She had to watch the others go first." 367 00:17:38,753 --> 00:17:40,233 - Are you afraid of Charles Manson? 368 00:17:40,363 --> 00:17:41,843 - [chuckles softly] 369 00:17:41,973 --> 00:17:43,516 Not when there's a bunch of other people around. 370 00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:45,412 - Well, were you afraid of him 371 00:17:45,542 --> 00:17:48,502 at the time that you decided to leave Manson and the family? 372 00:17:48,632 --> 00:17:51,287 - Yes. - Why? 373 00:17:51,418 --> 00:17:52,699 - Because when he got in the desert, 374 00:17:52,723 --> 00:17:54,116 he got meaner. 375 00:17:57,598 --> 00:18:00,949 [tense ambient music] 376 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,213 - Tex Watson managed to dodge extradition 377 00:18:04,344 --> 00:18:06,433 for almost a year. 378 00:18:06,563 --> 00:18:09,827 He was the invisible person in the courtroom, 379 00:18:09,958 --> 00:18:14,441 this hometown good-body who turned into a monster. 380 00:18:14,571 --> 00:18:15,964 If he appeared in the trial, 381 00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:17,748 Manson would've pointed out 382 00:18:17,879 --> 00:18:19,402 as his lawyers would've pointed out, 383 00:18:19,533 --> 00:18:22,753 well, Charlie didn't go to the murder house. 384 00:18:22,884 --> 00:18:24,886 Tex Watson led the killers. 385 00:18:25,016 --> 00:18:26,844 Tex is the one to blame. 386 00:18:26,975 --> 00:18:30,500 Tex knew the Sharon Tate house. 387 00:18:30,631 --> 00:18:32,763 Charlie just said go out. 388 00:18:32,894 --> 00:18:36,115 Tex is the real number one fiend, 389 00:18:36,245 --> 00:18:39,335 and if Tex had gone on trial with Manson, 390 00:18:39,466 --> 00:18:41,381 I wouldn't have been surprised 391 00:18:41,511 --> 00:18:43,426 if Manson might've been acquitted. 392 00:18:43,557 --> 00:18:46,386 - Well, it's been ten months of hard work, Carl, 393 00:18:46,516 --> 00:18:49,954 and, of course, we're very happy 394 00:18:50,085 --> 00:18:52,653 he's on his way to California. 395 00:18:52,783 --> 00:18:54,698 I think there's something wrong with the system 396 00:18:54,829 --> 00:18:57,527 that can take an alleged killer 397 00:18:57,658 --> 00:18:59,094 that slaughtered people 398 00:18:59,225 --> 00:19:00,791 and hide him in the state of Texas 399 00:19:00,922 --> 00:19:02,532 for ten months. 400 00:19:07,581 --> 00:19:10,540 [dramatic music] 401 00:19:12,890 --> 00:19:14,849 - Fires are sweeping over thousands of acres 402 00:19:14,979 --> 00:19:17,939 of Southern California, filling the sky with smoke 403 00:19:18,069 --> 00:19:19,854 and threatening several communities. 404 00:19:22,857 --> 00:19:25,686 It hasn't rained since last spring. 405 00:19:25,816 --> 00:19:28,471 More than a hundred homes have been destroyed or damaged. 406 00:19:30,952 --> 00:19:34,869 - The Spahn Ranch was the home of the Manson Family. 407 00:19:34,999 --> 00:19:38,177 It burned down during the fire. 408 00:19:38,307 --> 00:19:40,962 Since that time, many members of the family 409 00:19:41,092 --> 00:19:43,617 have disappeared, gone to jail, 410 00:19:43,747 --> 00:19:48,187 and some stand vigil waiting for Charlie. 411 00:19:59,763 --> 00:20:01,939 - I felt badly for some of the girls 412 00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:03,898 because they were not eating. 413 00:20:04,028 --> 00:20:07,728 They were really literally sleeping out there. 414 00:20:07,858 --> 00:20:10,818 And so I would get them milk from the milk machine 415 00:20:10,948 --> 00:20:13,212 or, you know, snacks and bring it to them, 416 00:20:13,342 --> 00:20:16,171 which led the prosecutor to scream at me 417 00:20:16,302 --> 00:20:18,521 and tell me I was feeding murderers. 418 00:20:18,652 --> 00:20:23,396 But it was hard not to feel some... 419 00:20:23,526 --> 00:20:25,180 sorrow for these kids 420 00:20:25,311 --> 00:20:27,138 that had been dragged into this cult, 421 00:20:27,269 --> 00:20:30,490 and now their whole life was spent on a street corner. 422 00:20:33,057 --> 00:20:35,146 - During the trial, one day after court 423 00:20:35,277 --> 00:20:38,541 on my way to where I parked my car, 424 00:20:38,672 --> 00:20:42,241 Squeaky and Sandy Good snuck up behind me, 425 00:20:42,371 --> 00:20:44,025 and said they were gonna do to my house 426 00:20:44,155 --> 00:20:46,549 what was done at the Tate house. 427 00:20:48,769 --> 00:20:52,033 Vince had a DA investigator that was either inside 428 00:20:52,163 --> 00:20:54,905 or in his car outside his house 429 00:20:55,036 --> 00:20:56,733 for the whole trial. 430 00:20:56,864 --> 00:21:00,694 [suspenseful music] 431 00:21:00,824 --> 00:21:02,913 - Charlie would call us in to visit. 432 00:21:03,044 --> 00:21:06,961 He actually sent me to Beverly Hills Hotel, 433 00:21:07,091 --> 00:21:09,833 and Vincent Bugliosi was staying there 434 00:21:09,964 --> 00:21:12,662 'cause he had gotten some threats. 435 00:21:12,793 --> 00:21:15,448 And I stood outside the hotel 436 00:21:15,578 --> 00:21:19,060 with a kingsnake wrapped around me. 437 00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:22,063 And he came out, and I said, 438 00:21:22,193 --> 00:21:25,066 "Hey, Boogie, do you want to pet my snake?" 439 00:21:25,196 --> 00:21:29,418 And he just, like, freaked that I knew where he was. 440 00:21:29,549 --> 00:21:34,728 ♪ 441 00:21:34,858 --> 00:21:36,556 - In the last week, the defendants 442 00:21:36,686 --> 00:21:38,079 in the Manson trial in Los Angeles 443 00:21:38,209 --> 00:21:40,037 have become increasingly disruptive. 444 00:21:40,168 --> 00:21:42,083 Twice the court has had them removed 445 00:21:42,213 --> 00:21:44,738 to another room where they could hear the testimony 446 00:21:44,868 --> 00:21:46,740 but could not interrupt the proceedings. 447 00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:49,525 - In those days, every TV station 448 00:21:49,656 --> 00:21:51,527 had their own artists. 449 00:21:51,658 --> 00:21:54,922 I worked for CBS News at that time. 450 00:21:55,052 --> 00:21:57,620 I had never set foot in a courtroom in my life. 451 00:21:57,751 --> 00:22:01,189 And I was thrust into the center of it. 452 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,931 There were seven artists covering the Manson trial, 453 00:22:04,061 --> 00:22:07,108 and we sat in the front row. 454 00:22:07,238 --> 00:22:09,632 And at that time, the girls, I could touch them, 455 00:22:09,763 --> 00:22:11,982 they were so close to me, the three of them. 456 00:22:12,113 --> 00:22:14,507 [overlapping chatter] 457 00:22:17,161 --> 00:22:19,773 - Charles Manson interrupted the opening testimony today 458 00:22:19,903 --> 00:22:21,731 to complain to Judge Charles Older 459 00:22:21,862 --> 00:22:23,907 about the conduct of the trial. 460 00:22:24,038 --> 00:22:25,909 "You are trying to use this courtroom 461 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,476 to kill me," Manson charged. 462 00:22:27,607 --> 00:22:28,912 "You want me dead." 463 00:22:29,043 --> 00:22:31,175 The judge ordered Manson to be quiet 464 00:22:31,306 --> 00:22:32,946 or he would be removed from the courtroom. 465 00:22:33,047 --> 00:22:35,049 - Manson was only 5'2". 466 00:22:35,179 --> 00:22:37,007 He was a short little wiry guy. 467 00:22:37,138 --> 00:22:38,922 - Manson replied, "The minute I see 468 00:22:39,053 --> 00:22:40,271 "you are going to kill me, 469 00:22:40,402 --> 00:22:41,925 you know what I'm going to do." 470 00:22:42,056 --> 00:22:43,884 And the judge snapped back, 471 00:22:44,014 --> 00:22:45,929 "No. What are you going to do?" 472 00:22:46,060 --> 00:22:48,932 - He jumped up on the counsel table 473 00:22:49,063 --> 00:22:50,891 with a brand new, 474 00:22:51,021 --> 00:22:53,154 freshly sharpened number two pencil. 475 00:22:53,284 --> 00:22:55,983 - And all of a sudden, Manson yells to the judge, 476 00:22:56,113 --> 00:22:58,377 "Somebody ought to cut your head off, old man." 477 00:22:58,507 --> 00:23:00,727 - Manson screamed, "I will have you removed 478 00:23:00,857 --> 00:23:02,119 "if you don't stop. 479 00:23:02,250 --> 00:23:04,383 I have a little system of my own." 480 00:23:04,513 --> 00:23:06,820 Then he jumped up and hurled himself 481 00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:09,344 over the defense table in the direction of the judge. 482 00:23:09,475 --> 00:23:11,172 - So he went at the judge like this. 483 00:23:11,302 --> 00:23:13,609 - The bailiff tackled him in midair, 484 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:15,350 and it happens in an instant. 485 00:23:15,481 --> 00:23:18,701 You know, everybody sat stunned in the courtroom. 486 00:23:18,832 --> 00:23:20,375 - And as they struggled to take him out, 487 00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:23,184 Manson again shouted, "You think I'm kidding? 488 00:23:23,314 --> 00:23:24,968 "In the name of Christian justice, 489 00:23:25,099 --> 00:23:27,014 someone should cut your head off." 490 00:23:27,144 --> 00:23:29,233 - The judge had the composure, 491 00:23:29,364 --> 00:23:30,800 leaned over the bench and said, 492 00:23:30,931 --> 00:23:33,281 "Let the record reflect Mr. Manson 493 00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:34,978 "has made a lunge for the bench, 494 00:23:35,109 --> 00:23:37,764 and is now being subdued by the deputies." 495 00:23:37,894 --> 00:23:40,897 - The trial continued with Manson and his girl followers 496 00:23:41,028 --> 00:23:43,596 listening over a loud speaker in another room. 497 00:23:43,726 --> 00:23:47,948 [dark music] 498 00:23:48,078 --> 00:23:50,777 - Today's proceedings were somewhat more spontaneous 499 00:23:50,907 --> 00:23:53,083 than yesterday's. 500 00:23:53,214 --> 00:23:56,043 - Bugliosi was obsessed. 501 00:23:56,173 --> 00:23:58,437 He felt he had to have every person 502 00:23:58,567 --> 00:24:02,484 that ever set foot at Spahn Ranch testify. 503 00:24:02,615 --> 00:24:06,270 And so you had the guy who shoveled horse manure, 504 00:24:06,401 --> 00:24:08,229 motorcycle gangs, 505 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,666 people who just stopped by there. 506 00:24:10,797 --> 00:24:12,755 - He called in witnesses 507 00:24:12,886 --> 00:24:14,888 who didn't really talk about the murders. 508 00:24:15,018 --> 00:24:16,213 They talked about Helter Skelter, 509 00:24:16,237 --> 00:24:19,719 and Charlie's idea 510 00:24:19,849 --> 00:24:22,112 that there was going to be a race war. 511 00:24:22,243 --> 00:24:23,940 - One of the key pieces of testimony 512 00:24:24,071 --> 00:24:26,116 came from Danny DeCarlo 513 00:24:26,247 --> 00:24:29,119 about the lifestyle, the drugs that they used, 514 00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:30,730 and the guns at the Spahn Ranch. 515 00:24:30,860 --> 00:24:32,253 - We had fun shooting guns. 516 00:24:32,383 --> 00:24:34,255 - Mm-hmm. - No doubt about that. 517 00:24:34,385 --> 00:24:37,345 - He took us down to the place behind the ranch 518 00:24:37,476 --> 00:24:40,087 where Charlie used to fire the Buntline revolver, 519 00:24:40,217 --> 00:24:42,872 and that's where we found shell casings, 520 00:24:43,003 --> 00:24:45,003 which we matched up with one of the murder weapons. 521 00:24:45,048 --> 00:24:46,833 - How are you? How are you feeling? 522 00:24:46,963 --> 00:24:48,791 - I'm nervous. 523 00:24:48,922 --> 00:24:51,011 - In a case that has been particularly gruesome, 524 00:24:51,141 --> 00:24:55,145 today's testimony was perhaps the most horrifying yet. 525 00:24:55,276 --> 00:24:56,973 Prosecution witness Virginia Graham 526 00:24:57,104 --> 00:24:59,323 had shared a jail cell with Susan Atkins, 527 00:24:59,454 --> 00:25:01,369 and she testified that Ms. Atkins told her 528 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:03,327 she had killed Sharon Tate. 529 00:25:03,458 --> 00:25:05,329 [dramatic chords] 530 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:07,070 Mrs. Graham went on with several hours 531 00:25:07,201 --> 00:25:08,985 of gruesome details. 532 00:25:09,116 --> 00:25:11,945 [indistinct chatter] 533 00:25:12,075 --> 00:25:15,122 - Gregg Jakobson was fascinated by Manson, 534 00:25:15,252 --> 00:25:17,907 and he was a crucial witness for the prosecution 535 00:25:18,038 --> 00:25:20,301 because Jakobson reiterated 536 00:25:20,431 --> 00:25:22,782 that Manson spent hours and hours 537 00:25:22,912 --> 00:25:24,392 talking about the Beatle lyrics, 538 00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:27,047 and particularly "Helter Skelter" 539 00:25:27,177 --> 00:25:29,658 and how they were messages to him from the Beatles. 540 00:26:03,257 --> 00:26:05,172 - During Melcher's testimony, 541 00:26:05,302 --> 00:26:08,262 he made it clear that he'd never offered Manson 542 00:26:08,392 --> 00:26:10,220 a recording contract. 543 00:26:10,351 --> 00:26:11,918 He thought the music was average 544 00:26:12,048 --> 00:26:13,572 or nothing special. 545 00:26:15,486 --> 00:26:18,446 Brooks Poston and Paul Watkins 546 00:26:18,577 --> 00:26:21,362 left the Manson Family before the murders. 547 00:26:21,492 --> 00:26:24,234 They escaped and they both testified 548 00:26:24,365 --> 00:26:25,584 for the prosecution. 549 00:26:32,721 --> 00:26:34,941 - He said Manson gave him a knife and told him, 550 00:26:35,071 --> 00:26:36,290 "If you are with us, 551 00:26:36,420 --> 00:26:37,857 "you will take this knife, 552 00:26:37,987 --> 00:26:39,293 "sneak into the sheriff's home, 553 00:26:39,423 --> 00:26:41,425 and cut his throat." 554 00:26:41,556 --> 00:26:43,471 Poston admitted he defied Manson's orders 555 00:26:43,602 --> 00:26:45,299 and did not kill the sheriff, 556 00:26:45,429 --> 00:26:47,189 something the defense said showed that Manson 557 00:26:47,301 --> 00:26:48,998 did not control Poston. 558 00:26:49,129 --> 00:26:50,609 Another witness, Paul Watkins, 559 00:26:50,739 --> 00:26:52,654 said he often heard Manson talk about 560 00:26:52,785 --> 00:26:56,310 starting a race war by killing whites in rich suburbs 561 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,269 and making it appear that blacks had done it. 562 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,012 - Paul Watkins testified, "Death was Charlie's trip." 563 00:27:05,058 --> 00:27:07,408 - Some people are saying the more domination 564 00:27:07,538 --> 00:27:10,280 you put on Manson over his family, 565 00:27:10,411 --> 00:27:12,369 you're going in the direction, then, 566 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:14,241 of lessening the culpability 567 00:27:14,371 --> 00:27:16,678 of those who were dominated 568 00:27:16,809 --> 00:27:19,942 to the point where maybe they're not guilty, Paul. 569 00:27:20,073 --> 00:27:23,032 Because if you're simply a robot or an automaton, 570 00:27:23,163 --> 00:27:25,644 then you lack criminal intent. 571 00:27:27,341 --> 00:27:29,648 So I presented evidence to the jury 572 00:27:29,778 --> 00:27:32,955 that there were other members of the family 573 00:27:33,086 --> 00:27:35,479 that were equally slavishly obedient 574 00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:37,917 to Charles Manson, 575 00:27:38,047 --> 00:27:39,327 do anything in the world for him, 576 00:27:39,353 --> 00:27:42,356 but they wouldn't kill for him. 577 00:27:42,486 --> 00:27:44,140 And I told the jury when those words, 578 00:27:44,271 --> 00:27:46,055 Helter Skelter, were found printed in blood 579 00:27:46,186 --> 00:27:48,101 at the LaBianca murder scene, 580 00:27:48,231 --> 00:27:50,451 that was tantamount to Manson's fingerprints 581 00:27:50,581 --> 00:27:52,322 being found at the murder scene. 582 00:27:52,453 --> 00:27:54,150 That was his motive. 583 00:27:59,373 --> 00:28:01,462 - I was very worried about testifying. 584 00:28:01,592 --> 00:28:04,726 We went to the trial, 585 00:28:04,857 --> 00:28:08,077 and I was scared that I was gonna hear Charlie's voice 586 00:28:08,208 --> 00:28:12,560 and that he was gonna be able to intimidate me enough 587 00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:16,651 that I, you know, I wouldn't be able to tell the truth. 588 00:28:16,782 --> 00:28:20,307 When I went into and faced Charlie, 589 00:28:20,437 --> 00:28:22,701 Charlie was, you know, at the defense table. 590 00:28:22,831 --> 00:28:24,591 One of the first things that I was asked was, 591 00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:26,487 "Did you love Charlie?" 592 00:28:26,617 --> 00:28:29,446 And it was like, "Yeah, I guess... I guess I did." 593 00:28:29,577 --> 00:28:31,971 I mean, I did have love for him, 594 00:28:32,101 --> 00:28:35,496 or I had had love for him. 595 00:28:35,626 --> 00:28:37,672 The first thing Charlie says is, 596 00:28:37,803 --> 00:28:39,413 "Don't pin it all on Mr. Manson. 597 00:28:39,543 --> 00:28:43,069 She loved everybody." 598 00:28:43,199 --> 00:28:46,159 And it just... you know, and he did it in such a way 599 00:28:46,289 --> 00:28:50,293 that, you know, he totally had dismissed 600 00:28:50,424 --> 00:28:52,295 what I said. 601 00:28:52,426 --> 00:28:56,125 And he was playing the crowd. 602 00:28:56,256 --> 00:28:58,562 I was very much relieved that... 603 00:28:58,693 --> 00:29:02,175 Oh, yeah, he doesn't have, you know, 604 00:29:02,305 --> 00:29:03,865 he doesn't have control over me anymore. 605 00:29:05,526 --> 00:29:08,703 I don't hear his voice. 606 00:29:08,834 --> 00:29:11,053 You know, and he just looked like this little... 607 00:29:11,184 --> 00:29:15,536 This little con man pimp, you know? 608 00:29:15,666 --> 00:29:17,407 - Charles Manson has been listening now 609 00:29:17,538 --> 00:29:19,583 for 14 weeks to witnesses who say 610 00:29:19,714 --> 00:29:22,021 he and the three girl defendants 611 00:29:22,151 --> 00:29:24,458 are guilty of the Tate and LaBianca murders. 612 00:29:24,588 --> 00:29:27,548 Soon he'll get a chance to defend himself. 613 00:29:27,678 --> 00:29:30,507 - Three young woman charged along with Charles Manson 614 00:29:30,638 --> 00:29:33,032 in the murders first wanted to testify, 615 00:29:33,162 --> 00:29:35,382 to confess, it was widely speculated. 616 00:29:35,512 --> 00:29:37,340 But they insisted the jury hear them. 617 00:29:37,471 --> 00:29:39,081 They were refused and then decided 618 00:29:39,212 --> 00:29:41,083 they didn't want to say anything. 619 00:29:41,214 --> 00:29:43,956 - Manson, however, did address the court 620 00:29:44,086 --> 00:29:48,221 in a rambling, quite amazing, 621 00:29:48,351 --> 00:29:52,138 one-hour dissertation about life and... 622 00:29:52,268 --> 00:29:53,792 I mean, without notes. 623 00:29:53,922 --> 00:29:55,532 - Through it all, he was soft-spoken, 624 00:29:55,663 --> 00:29:57,578 at one time appearing near tears. 625 00:29:57,708 --> 00:29:59,536 Often Manson lost track of his story, 626 00:29:59,667 --> 00:30:01,451 telling some things over and over, 627 00:30:01,582 --> 00:30:03,149 and then continuing incoherently 628 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,065 into another chapter in his uneven life story. 629 00:30:06,195 --> 00:30:07,762 Only once did he directly respond 630 00:30:07,893 --> 00:30:09,198 to the accusations against him. 631 00:30:09,329 --> 00:30:11,418 He said, "I have killed no one, 632 00:30:11,548 --> 00:30:14,029 and I have ordered no one to be killed." 633 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,770 In apparent reference 634 00:30:15,901 --> 00:30:18,512 to his female codefendants, Manson continued, 635 00:30:18,642 --> 00:30:20,362 "These children who come at you with knives, 636 00:30:20,427 --> 00:30:22,081 "they are your children. 637 00:30:22,211 --> 00:30:25,258 I did not teach them, you did." 638 00:30:25,388 --> 00:30:28,522 - And after Manson finished his rant, 639 00:30:28,652 --> 00:30:32,569 the judge said, "Now, we'll bring the jury in Mr. Manson, 640 00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:35,746 "and perhaps you'd like to say 641 00:30:35,877 --> 00:30:37,333 whatever you want to say to the jury," 642 00:30:37,357 --> 00:30:40,229 and Manson said, "I've said it." 643 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,014 He said, "I'm not gonna testify." 644 00:30:42,144 --> 00:30:44,146 He didn't testify to the jury, 645 00:30:44,277 --> 00:30:47,671 and he told the girls not to testify. 646 00:30:47,802 --> 00:30:50,500 So you had a murder trial, capital case, 647 00:30:50,631 --> 00:30:52,633 death penalty on the line, 648 00:30:52,763 --> 00:30:55,114 and none of the defendants testified. 649 00:30:55,244 --> 00:30:56,604 Then the defense came out and said, 650 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,031 "We have no witnesses." 651 00:30:59,161 --> 00:31:01,207 Nobody testified. 652 00:31:01,337 --> 00:31:03,383 - Actually, we thought it was very, very dangerous 653 00:31:03,513 --> 00:31:05,602 for him to take the stand, and it's very dangerous 654 00:31:05,733 --> 00:31:07,430 to subject yourself to cross-examination. 655 00:31:07,561 --> 00:31:09,389 - Are you pleased with the fact 656 00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:13,523 that the defense is seemingly offering no defense? 657 00:31:13,654 --> 00:31:15,743 - No, Stan, I'm not. 658 00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:19,399 Obviously, I'm a prosecutor, and I seek convictions 659 00:31:19,529 --> 00:31:21,314 in any case that I'm on. 660 00:31:21,444 --> 00:31:24,404 However, I always welcome and I encourage 661 00:31:24,534 --> 00:31:27,581 a very spirited, vigorous defense. 662 00:31:27,711 --> 00:31:30,584 - No one is really certain what happens next. 663 00:31:30,714 --> 00:31:33,761 It has been that kind of trial for 23 weeks. 664 00:31:33,892 --> 00:31:36,285 - Just when the prosecution 665 00:31:36,416 --> 00:31:38,722 and the defense rested their case, 666 00:31:38,853 --> 00:31:41,638 one of the lawyers for Leslie Van Houten, 667 00:31:41,769 --> 00:31:45,077 Ronald Hughes, disappeared. 668 00:31:45,207 --> 00:31:47,209 [eerie music] 669 00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:49,342 During the trial, I heard personally 670 00:31:49,472 --> 00:31:53,259 that Ron Hughes suggested that Leslie Van Houten's case 671 00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:56,305 be separated from the rest of the Manson Family, 672 00:31:56,436 --> 00:31:58,699 and Charlie immediately got angry at that and said, 673 00:31:58,829 --> 00:32:00,788 "No way." 674 00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:06,576 And then suddenly, Ronnie Hughes disappeared. 675 00:32:06,707 --> 00:32:08,796 - Well, we received some information this morning 676 00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:11,364 from a very close personal acquaintance of Mr. Hughes 677 00:32:11,494 --> 00:32:16,282 that Hughes contacted him on Thanksgiving Eve 678 00:32:16,412 --> 00:32:18,806 and asked for a ride to the Sespe Hot Springs area, 679 00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:21,548 Ventura County, which is a remote mountainous area. 680 00:32:21,678 --> 00:32:24,507 We're actually concerned for his physical safety. 681 00:32:24,638 --> 00:32:26,335 - Four months after he disappeared, 682 00:32:26,466 --> 00:32:30,035 his body was found in a river. 683 00:32:31,297 --> 00:32:34,213 - The attorney who replaced Hughes, Maxwell Keith, 684 00:32:34,343 --> 00:32:36,476 was prepared to go into court today 685 00:32:36,606 --> 00:32:39,653 and ask that a mistrial be declared for Ms. Van Houten. 686 00:32:39,783 --> 00:32:42,482 But when court opened, before he could do that, 687 00:32:42,612 --> 00:32:45,180 there was a wild melee between the three girl defendants, 688 00:32:45,311 --> 00:32:47,530 matrons, and deputies. 689 00:32:47,661 --> 00:32:50,925 It began when Ms. Van Houten objected to her new attorney. 690 00:32:51,056 --> 00:32:53,232 She shouted at the judge, refused to sit down, 691 00:32:53,362 --> 00:32:54,762 then she struck out at the bailiffs. 692 00:32:57,714 --> 00:32:59,455 - Morning, Charlie. - Morning. 693 00:32:59,586 --> 00:33:00,674 - Any comment at all? 694 00:33:00,804 --> 00:33:03,503 - I have a big laugh. [laughs] 695 00:33:03,633 --> 00:33:05,984 [tense music] 696 00:33:06,114 --> 00:33:07,898 - Irving Kanarek, Mr. Manson's attorney, 697 00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:09,596 is in the fifth day of a marathon 698 00:33:09,726 --> 00:33:10,945 final address to the jury, 699 00:33:11,076 --> 00:33:12,555 the longest summation to a jury 700 00:33:12,686 --> 00:33:14,601 in a criminal case in California. 701 00:33:14,731 --> 00:33:17,169 He's been accused of conducting a filibuster, 702 00:33:17,299 --> 00:33:18,699 and he says he is still not through. 703 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,739 - Kanarek droned on so endlessly 704 00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:27,788 that the jurors requested No Doz pills to stay awake. 705 00:33:27,918 --> 00:33:30,008 - It will be well after the first of the year 706 00:33:30,138 --> 00:33:31,922 before the arguments and the instructions 707 00:33:32,053 --> 00:33:33,663 are completed, and the jury 708 00:33:33,794 --> 00:33:36,797 will finally begin its deliberations. 709 00:33:36,927 --> 00:33:40,540 [helicopter whirring] 710 00:33:40,670 --> 00:33:43,804 - We all took it very seriously. 711 00:33:43,934 --> 00:33:46,589 Took a lot of handwritten notes during the trail. 712 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,289 [suspenseful music] 713 00:33:50,419 --> 00:33:52,726 And we had four defendants 714 00:33:52,856 --> 00:33:55,598 so you had to talk about the defendants individually 715 00:33:55,729 --> 00:33:57,289 and talk about the evidence that related 716 00:33:57,339 --> 00:33:59,515 to each one of them. 717 00:33:59,646 --> 00:34:01,865 But with regard to Leslie Van Houten, 718 00:34:01,996 --> 00:34:04,825 I was the lone holdout for a while. 719 00:34:04,955 --> 00:34:07,567 I had a little different take 720 00:34:07,697 --> 00:34:10,526 on her involvement than most of the other jurors 721 00:34:10,657 --> 00:34:12,398 because Leslie Van Houten was only involved 722 00:34:12,528 --> 00:34:13,877 on the second night, 723 00:34:14,008 --> 00:34:16,924 and of all the people that were stabbed, 724 00:34:17,055 --> 00:34:21,885 she only stabbed one person, Rosemary LaBianca, 725 00:34:22,016 --> 00:34:26,107 after she died. 726 00:34:26,238 --> 00:34:30,068 But I began to see it as she was equally guilty. 727 00:34:32,113 --> 00:34:34,550 - It took 42 1/2 hours of deliberating 728 00:34:34,681 --> 00:34:36,900 before the jury sent out word that it had indeed 729 00:34:37,031 --> 00:34:39,686 reached a verdict. 730 00:34:39,816 --> 00:34:42,471 - We sat there for a while 731 00:34:42,602 --> 00:34:45,648 before we notified the bailiff, 732 00:34:45,779 --> 00:34:49,087 just letting it all sink in. 733 00:34:49,217 --> 00:34:51,611 And then we called the bailiffs and said we have a verdict. 734 00:34:51,741 --> 00:34:53,395 - The courtroom was packed 735 00:34:53,526 --> 00:34:55,397 as the jury foreman handed over the forms 736 00:34:55,528 --> 00:34:57,791 on which the decisions were written. 737 00:34:57,921 --> 00:34:59,880 The three girls on trial, Susan Atkins, 738 00:35:00,010 --> 00:35:02,100 Patricia Krenwinkel, and Leslie Van Houten, 739 00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:04,798 grinned and talked among themselves. 740 00:35:04,928 --> 00:35:07,714 Charles Manson smiled and stroked his beard, 741 00:35:07,844 --> 00:35:09,803 then the verdicts were read. 742 00:35:09,933 --> 00:35:12,675 - There's something called the California conspiracy rule 743 00:35:12,806 --> 00:35:15,113 that said any member of a conspiracy 744 00:35:15,243 --> 00:35:16,940 is equally guilty of any crimes committed 745 00:35:17,071 --> 00:35:19,682 by his coconspirators, 746 00:35:19,813 --> 00:35:21,945 and Charlie was obviously the head 747 00:35:22,076 --> 00:35:24,339 of the conspiracy. 748 00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:26,515 So that's what got Charlie. 749 00:35:26,646 --> 00:35:28,952 Guilty. Seven counts of murder, 750 00:35:29,083 --> 00:35:32,434 and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. 751 00:35:36,308 --> 00:35:38,875 - You've heard the verdict. How do you feel now? 752 00:35:39,006 --> 00:35:40,529 - Are you guys proud of a system 753 00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:42,096 where a man cannot defend himself? 754 00:35:42,227 --> 00:35:45,360 There's a revolution coming very soon. 755 00:35:45,491 --> 00:35:46,729 - What are you going to do right now? 756 00:35:46,753 --> 00:35:48,470 - We're gonna stay here until Charlie's out. 757 00:35:48,494 --> 00:35:50,974 [camera shutter clicking] 758 00:35:51,105 --> 00:35:53,803 - Could you have won the case outside of Los Angeles? 759 00:35:53,934 --> 00:35:55,454 - Yes, I think we could've won the case 760 00:35:55,501 --> 00:35:56,850 outside of Los Angeles. 761 00:35:56,980 --> 00:35:59,157 I think that we were forced to select a jury 762 00:35:59,287 --> 00:36:01,724 from a very hostile and antagonist community. 763 00:36:01,855 --> 00:36:03,509 - I don't believe that. 764 00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:06,381 This jury is 12 people chosen from this community. 765 00:36:06,512 --> 00:36:08,775 They based their verdict solely and exclusively 766 00:36:08,905 --> 00:36:10,865 on the evidence that came from that witness stand. 767 00:36:10,907 --> 00:36:12,842 They were not influenced in any fashion whatsoever 768 00:36:12,866 --> 00:36:14,476 from any pretrial publicity. 769 00:36:14,607 --> 00:36:16,652 This is just weeping on the part of the defense. 770 00:36:16,783 --> 00:36:17,890 - Are you going to ask for the death penalty? 771 00:36:17,914 --> 00:36:18,914 - Yes. 772 00:36:21,614 --> 00:36:23,572 - The nearly eight-month ordeal of sequestration 773 00:36:23,703 --> 00:36:25,400 for the jurors is not over. 774 00:36:25,531 --> 00:36:27,010 The seven men and five women 775 00:36:27,141 --> 00:36:29,883 will continue to be locked in a hotel each night 776 00:36:30,013 --> 00:36:32,973 until they decide life or death sentences 777 00:36:33,103 --> 00:36:34,844 in the penalty phase of the trial, 778 00:36:34,975 --> 00:36:38,413 which will begin Thursday and could take several weeks. 779 00:36:38,544 --> 00:36:40,720 [helicopter whirring] 780 00:36:40,850 --> 00:36:43,984 [dramatic music] 781 00:36:44,114 --> 00:36:46,552 - When the penalty phase started, 782 00:36:46,682 --> 00:36:48,771 everything was different. 783 00:36:48,902 --> 00:36:50,817 The girls had decided to testify 784 00:36:50,947 --> 00:36:53,080 and confess to everything 785 00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:56,779 and absolve Charlie from any responsibility. 786 00:36:56,910 --> 00:37:00,740 That was their mission from him. 787 00:37:00,870 --> 00:37:03,612 - It wasn't going to change the outcome of the verdict, 788 00:37:03,743 --> 00:37:05,484 but during the penalty phase, 789 00:37:05,614 --> 00:37:07,529 you're looking for mitigating factors. 790 00:37:07,660 --> 00:37:09,575 And they were trying to save his life. 791 00:37:09,705 --> 00:37:12,447 ♪ 792 00:37:12,578 --> 00:37:15,233 - Manson shaved his head. 793 00:37:15,363 --> 00:37:17,931 They ended up with shaved heads as well, 794 00:37:18,061 --> 00:37:20,281 which stunned everybody. 795 00:37:20,412 --> 00:37:23,763 Manson eventually turned that X into a swastika. 796 00:37:23,893 --> 00:37:27,593 He looked more menacing. 797 00:37:27,723 --> 00:37:31,074 - I was in jail for 90 days for Barbara Hoyt, 798 00:37:31,205 --> 00:37:33,729 and one of the girls comes to visit me 799 00:37:33,860 --> 00:37:36,558 and has a piece of paper 800 00:37:36,689 --> 00:37:38,995 that she puts on the glass, and it said, 801 00:37:39,126 --> 00:37:41,998 "The girls want you to testify, 802 00:37:42,129 --> 00:37:43,913 and this is what they want you to say." 803 00:37:44,044 --> 00:37:45,872 [helicopter whirring] 804 00:37:46,002 --> 00:37:48,570 She said, "Read every word," and she said, 805 00:37:48,701 --> 00:37:51,051 "Now, Charlie's gonna be in the courtroom 806 00:37:51,181 --> 00:37:53,183 listening to every word, you dig?" 807 00:37:53,314 --> 00:37:55,882 Like he used to say, "You dig?" 808 00:37:56,012 --> 00:37:58,928 So I read this crazy story 809 00:37:59,059 --> 00:38:02,584 that was all Linda's idea 810 00:38:02,715 --> 00:38:05,892 because she was a prosecution witness. 811 00:38:06,022 --> 00:38:08,721 And that's when Vincent Bugliosi said to me, 812 00:38:08,851 --> 00:38:10,984 "You're saying all this to make sure that 813 00:38:11,114 --> 00:38:13,639 "Charles Manson doesn't go to a gas chamber, right?" 814 00:38:13,769 --> 00:38:16,163 And I said, "No." 815 00:38:16,294 --> 00:38:18,731 And I was just splintered. I was just saying 816 00:38:18,861 --> 00:38:21,603 what everybody expected me to say. 817 00:38:21,734 --> 00:38:23,257 I was acting, 818 00:38:23,388 --> 00:38:25,303 the biggest acting job I've ever done. 819 00:38:25,433 --> 00:38:27,827 - And so they began to take the stand, 820 00:38:27,957 --> 00:38:29,263 one after the other, 821 00:38:29,394 --> 00:38:32,048 and tell the most horrific stories 822 00:38:32,179 --> 00:38:33,963 with details that we had not heard 823 00:38:34,094 --> 00:38:35,574 during the trial. 824 00:38:35,704 --> 00:38:37,064 They were now convicted, of course, 825 00:38:37,097 --> 00:38:39,186 and so they could say anything. 826 00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:41,623 And their own lawyers refused to question them 827 00:38:41,754 --> 00:38:43,601 because they felt that they were committing suicide 828 00:38:43,625 --> 00:38:45,105 on the stand. 829 00:38:45,235 --> 00:38:47,673 They would just let them go up there and talk, 830 00:38:47,803 --> 00:38:49,544 and the judge allowed it. 831 00:38:49,675 --> 00:38:51,633 Susan was devastating. 832 00:38:51,764 --> 00:38:54,636 I mean, she talked about stabbing Sharon Tate. 833 00:38:54,767 --> 00:38:56,943 - It was the first time the jurors have heard 834 00:38:57,073 --> 00:38:58,814 an admission of guilt from any of the four 835 00:38:58,945 --> 00:39:00,773 convicted murderers. 836 00:39:00,903 --> 00:39:02,775 Ms. Atkins said it was Linda Kasabian 837 00:39:02,905 --> 00:39:04,951 who picked the Tate house for the killings 838 00:39:05,081 --> 00:39:07,823 because she said she had once been to the home to buy drugs, 839 00:39:07,954 --> 00:39:11,784 had been badly treated, and wanted revenge. 840 00:39:11,914 --> 00:39:15,483 She said Charles Manson was not to blame. 841 00:39:15,614 --> 00:39:18,356 - We drove to the house 842 00:39:18,486 --> 00:39:22,185 with instructions to kill everyone in the house. 843 00:39:22,316 --> 00:39:24,274 - It was probably the most grisly day 844 00:39:24,405 --> 00:39:26,842 of the entire trial, and it was the most horrible. 845 00:39:26,973 --> 00:39:29,279 [dark music] 846 00:39:29,410 --> 00:39:32,413 - On the evening of August 8th, 847 00:39:32,544 --> 00:39:35,242 Charles Manson gathered some of his family members, 848 00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:38,158 Susan Atkins and Tex Watson, 849 00:39:38,288 --> 00:39:41,379 Linda Kasabian and Patricia Krenwinkel, 850 00:39:41,509 --> 00:39:46,209 and directed them to go to the Cielo Drive residence. 851 00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:49,169 [eerie music] 852 00:39:49,299 --> 00:39:53,695 ♪ 853 00:39:53,826 --> 00:39:57,395 - I remember getting in the car with Tex, 854 00:39:57,525 --> 00:40:01,094 and my three co-defendants. - Tex Watson. 855 00:40:01,224 --> 00:40:02,854 - Tex and I had our own special little stash 856 00:40:02,878 --> 00:40:04,402 of cocaine. 857 00:40:04,532 --> 00:40:06,031 Yeah, I think it was cocaine or methadrine. 858 00:40:06,055 --> 00:40:08,101 I'm not sure which. 859 00:40:08,231 --> 00:40:09,905 We both snorted some speed and got in the car. 860 00:40:09,929 --> 00:40:12,540 We were very, very wired. 861 00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:15,151 ♪ 862 00:40:15,282 --> 00:40:19,329 As we went in, a car came up. 863 00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:24,204 - The driver of the car was 18-year-old Steven Parent. 864 00:40:24,334 --> 00:40:27,729 Watson was armed with a .22 caliber 865 00:40:27,860 --> 00:40:30,776 Buntline revolver that had a 9-inch barrel. 866 00:40:30,906 --> 00:40:33,822 - Um... 867 00:40:33,953 --> 00:40:35,302 - Boy Steven Parent was killed. 868 00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:36,671 - Right, was killed. - In the car outside. 869 00:40:36,695 --> 00:40:38,784 - Right. 870 00:40:38,914 --> 00:40:42,875 - Tex shot the gun four times, bang, bang, bang, bang. 871 00:40:46,922 --> 00:40:49,577 Tex told me to go to the back of the house. 872 00:40:52,058 --> 00:40:55,453 And him and the girls went to the front of the house. 873 00:40:58,325 --> 00:41:03,286 - Linda Kasabian saw Watson at the dining room window, 874 00:41:03,417 --> 00:41:05,463 which was ajar. 875 00:41:05,593 --> 00:41:09,031 She saw him reach in and push the window up, 876 00:41:09,162 --> 00:41:13,471 took the screen off, then climbed in. 877 00:41:13,601 --> 00:41:16,778 He then went and opened the front door. 878 00:41:16,909 --> 00:41:18,737 Atkins and Krenwinkel, they came in. 879 00:41:18,867 --> 00:41:21,000 They were both armed with knives. 880 00:41:21,130 --> 00:41:24,438 Watson told them to go check at the back of the house, 881 00:41:24,569 --> 00:41:26,962 see if there was anybody else there. 882 00:41:27,093 --> 00:41:29,182 When they walked past Abigail Folger's bedroom, 883 00:41:29,312 --> 00:41:31,314 she was in bed reading, 884 00:41:31,445 --> 00:41:35,754 and she just waved at Atkins and Krenwinkel like, 885 00:41:35,884 --> 00:41:38,191 "Well, I guess they're just guests 886 00:41:38,321 --> 00:41:42,369 of Sharon Tate or whoever." 887 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,327 - The people in the house 888 00:41:44,458 --> 00:41:47,026 were all brought into the living room. 889 00:41:50,377 --> 00:41:53,685 - Watson smashed Jay Sebring in the face 890 00:41:53,815 --> 00:41:56,209 with the gun butt 891 00:41:56,339 --> 00:41:59,255 and shot him and stabbed him seven times. 892 00:42:01,954 --> 00:42:06,219 At that point, pandemonium broke loose. 893 00:42:06,349 --> 00:42:08,197 - All I can remember seeing is people just scattering 894 00:42:08,221 --> 00:42:10,179 in different places 895 00:42:10,310 --> 00:42:12,573 and running in different places. 896 00:42:12,704 --> 00:42:16,011 - Abigail Folger ran out of the back of the house. 897 00:42:16,142 --> 00:42:19,014 Krenwinkel chased her with an upraised knife, 898 00:42:19,145 --> 00:42:22,365 and on the shutters next to the back door, 899 00:42:22,496 --> 00:42:24,237 left a fingerprint. 900 00:42:24,367 --> 00:42:27,196 And so with that fingerprint, 901 00:42:27,327 --> 00:42:30,548 Krenwinkel could be placed inside the residence. 902 00:42:30,678 --> 00:42:34,464 Krenwinkel chased her to the front yard, 903 00:42:34,595 --> 00:42:37,337 jumped on her, and started stabbing her. 904 00:42:37,467 --> 00:42:41,384 Abigail Folger was stabbed 28 times. 905 00:42:41,515 --> 00:42:43,604 Now in the meantime, 906 00:42:43,735 --> 00:42:47,129 Wojciech Frykowski tried to run out of the house. 907 00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:49,001 - Next thing I know, 908 00:42:49,131 --> 00:42:51,351 a man comes stumbling out of the house, 909 00:42:51,481 --> 00:42:53,962 covered in blood, and falls down, 910 00:42:54,093 --> 00:42:56,095 and Tex starts stabbing him. 911 00:42:56,225 --> 00:43:01,230 - Frykowski was hit 13 times with the gun butt. 912 00:43:01,361 --> 00:43:03,885 He was shot several times, 913 00:43:04,016 --> 00:43:09,021 and he ended up getting stabbed 51 times. 914 00:43:09,151 --> 00:43:14,287 Atkins, all the while, had Sharon Tate at knifepoint, 915 00:43:14,417 --> 00:43:18,944 and Sharon Tate was crying and pleading and begging. 916 00:43:19,074 --> 00:43:21,860 [dramatic music] 917 00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:25,167 ♪ 918 00:43:25,298 --> 00:43:27,866 - I remember that I felt nothing. 919 00:43:27,996 --> 00:43:30,520 I felt absolutely nothing for her 920 00:43:30,651 --> 00:43:34,002 as she begged for her life and for the life of her baby. 921 00:43:38,528 --> 00:43:41,053 - Watson, with this long rope that he brought in, 922 00:43:41,183 --> 00:43:43,882 threw the rope over the high beam, 923 00:43:44,012 --> 00:43:47,276 tied one end around Jay Sebring's neck, 924 00:43:47,407 --> 00:43:49,278 and the other around Sharon Tate's neck. 925 00:43:52,412 --> 00:43:55,937 Then Susan Atkins took a towel, 926 00:43:56,068 --> 00:43:58,592 and on the front door in Sharon Tate's blood 927 00:43:58,723 --> 00:44:00,202 that she had dipped the towel in, 928 00:44:00,333 --> 00:44:02,204 wrote the word "pig." 929 00:44:02,335 --> 00:44:05,817 [eerie music] 930 00:44:05,947 --> 00:44:07,340 Now, the next day, 931 00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:10,648 Manson gathered Susan Atkins, 932 00:44:10,778 --> 00:44:13,346 Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten, 933 00:44:13,476 --> 00:44:17,872 Linda Kasabian, Tex Watson, and Steve Grogan. 934 00:44:18,003 --> 00:44:19,047 They drove around. 935 00:44:19,178 --> 00:44:21,223 Manson gave directions 936 00:44:21,354 --> 00:44:23,312 about where to go. 937 00:44:23,443 --> 00:44:27,142 They ended up at the house next door 938 00:44:27,273 --> 00:44:30,624 to where Leno and Rosemary LaBianca lived. 939 00:44:30,755 --> 00:44:32,539 So Manson went up to the house, 940 00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:35,977 found an unlocked door, 941 00:44:36,108 --> 00:44:37,544 and came in. 942 00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:40,112 He was armed with a firearm. 943 00:44:40,242 --> 00:44:42,114 He got the drop on both of them, 944 00:44:42,244 --> 00:44:44,682 and he tied them 945 00:44:44,812 --> 00:44:47,206 with their hands behind their back with rawhide. 946 00:44:47,336 --> 00:44:48,511 He told the LaBiancas 947 00:44:48,642 --> 00:44:50,470 this was just a robbery, 948 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,081 and that he wasn't going to hurt them. 949 00:44:56,258 --> 00:44:59,000 - Manson came back, looked in the car, 950 00:44:59,131 --> 00:45:01,263 and he pointed at Pat and I and told us to get out 951 00:45:01,394 --> 00:45:04,353 and go do what Tex said. 952 00:45:04,484 --> 00:45:08,009 He said to Tex to make sure that everybody did something. 953 00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:10,359 - So Watson, who was armed with a bayonet, 954 00:45:10,490 --> 00:45:12,535 and the two women entered the house 955 00:45:12,666 --> 00:45:15,321 and immediately Krenwinkel went to the kitchen 956 00:45:15,451 --> 00:45:17,584 and got knives for herself 957 00:45:17,715 --> 00:45:20,979 and Leslie Van Houten. 958 00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:23,285 - Tex said for Pat and I to take 959 00:45:23,416 --> 00:45:25,548 Mrs. LaBianca into the bedroom. 960 00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:28,290 - Van Houten took a pillowcase from the bed, 961 00:45:28,421 --> 00:45:30,640 put it over Rosemary's head, 962 00:45:30,771 --> 00:45:33,208 unplugged the lamp on the nightstand, 963 00:45:33,339 --> 00:45:34,993 and wrapped the cord 964 00:45:35,123 --> 00:45:37,517 around the base of the pillowcase 965 00:45:37,647 --> 00:45:39,954 with the lamp still attached. 966 00:45:40,085 --> 00:45:42,565 At which point, Rosemary could hear Leno 967 00:45:42,696 --> 00:45:46,265 getting stabbed in the front living room. 968 00:45:46,395 --> 00:45:49,050 ♪ 969 00:45:49,181 --> 00:45:52,140 And Rosemary had this sudden burst of energy 970 00:45:52,271 --> 00:45:54,229 where she took the lamp cord 971 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,102 and swung the lamp in Van Houten's direction. 972 00:45:57,232 --> 00:46:00,540 Van Houten knocked the lamp out of her hands 973 00:46:00,670 --> 00:46:02,324 and wrestled her down to the bed. 974 00:46:02,455 --> 00:46:05,327 And Krenwinkel, with the kitchen knife, 975 00:46:05,458 --> 00:46:07,068 stabbed her as hard as she could, 976 00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:10,724 but hit her collarbone and the knife blade bent. 977 00:46:10,855 --> 00:46:13,553 Van Houten immediately ran to the hallway and said, 978 00:46:13,683 --> 00:46:15,903 "Tex, Tex, it's not working." 979 00:46:16,034 --> 00:46:18,340 And so Watson came in, 980 00:46:18,471 --> 00:46:21,256 and Watson and Van Houten then proceeded 981 00:46:21,387 --> 00:46:23,998 to stab Rosemary LaBianca. 982 00:46:24,129 --> 00:46:25,783 - When I started stabbing, I didn't... 983 00:46:25,913 --> 00:46:27,567 I didn't really have any idea in my mind 984 00:46:27,697 --> 00:46:30,396 that it's a real feeling. 985 00:46:30,526 --> 00:46:33,312 It's... it's not even like cutting a piece of meat. 986 00:46:33,442 --> 00:46:36,271 It's much tougher. 987 00:46:36,402 --> 00:46:40,101 I just completely bled out on that woman's back. 988 00:46:40,232 --> 00:46:44,410 - Rosemary LaBianca was stabbed 41 times. 989 00:46:44,540 --> 00:46:46,673 One of the stab wounds from Watson's bayonet 990 00:46:46,804 --> 00:46:49,328 severed her spinal cord. 991 00:46:49,458 --> 00:46:51,765 Leno was in the living room. 992 00:46:51,896 --> 00:46:53,680 Krenwinkel plunged the carving fork 993 00:46:53,811 --> 00:46:56,117 in his abdomen seven times, 994 00:46:56,248 --> 00:47:00,513 and then she stabbed him 12 times with a knife. 995 00:47:00,643 --> 00:47:05,474 And she carved the word "W-A-R" in his abdomen. 996 00:47:05,605 --> 00:47:09,565 After Leno and Rosemary were murdered, 997 00:47:09,696 --> 00:47:12,307 Watson and Krenwinkel took showers. 998 00:47:12,438 --> 00:47:16,311 And Leslie Van Houten went to the refrigerator 999 00:47:16,442 --> 00:47:18,661 in LaBianca's kitchen, the same refrigerator 1000 00:47:18,792 --> 00:47:21,795 that had "Helter Skelter" in blood written on it. 1001 00:47:21,926 --> 00:47:24,537 And she got out some chocolate milk 1002 00:47:24,667 --> 00:47:27,627 and drank the chocolate milk. 1003 00:47:27,757 --> 00:47:29,977 I think Watson had some cheese. 1004 00:47:30,108 --> 00:47:36,549 ♪ 1005 00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:39,247 When they got Leno into the coroner's office 1006 00:47:39,378 --> 00:47:41,032 and took the pillowcase off, 1007 00:47:41,162 --> 00:47:43,643 he had a knife with the handle 1008 00:47:43,773 --> 00:47:46,689 protruding out of one side of the neck, 1009 00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:49,562 the blade traversing his neck, severing a carotid artery, 1010 00:47:49,692 --> 00:47:51,477 and part of the blade sticking out 1011 00:47:51,607 --> 00:47:53,305 of the other side of his neck. 1012 00:47:56,569 --> 00:48:00,703 - It was incomprehensible slaughter 1013 00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:03,271 of innocent people. 1014 00:48:03,402 --> 00:48:06,448 And that was hard for anybody to get their minds around. 1015 00:48:06,579 --> 00:48:08,233 It was beyond drama. 1016 00:48:08,363 --> 00:48:11,497 It was horrific. 1017 00:48:11,627 --> 00:48:16,328 [suspenseful music] 1018 00:48:16,458 --> 00:48:22,290 - Charles Manson preached the idea of love and peace. 1019 00:48:22,421 --> 00:48:27,295 He hid behind the idea of love and the hippie culture, 1020 00:48:27,426 --> 00:48:31,473 but he used it as a shield. 1021 00:48:31,604 --> 00:48:35,303 Obviously, considering executing somebody 1022 00:48:35,434 --> 00:48:38,698 is a pretty tough decision. 1023 00:48:38,828 --> 00:48:42,223 I think we deliberated three days for the penalty. 1024 00:48:42,354 --> 00:48:44,356 We talked about it and talked about it, 1025 00:48:44,486 --> 00:48:46,086 and we all agreed that the death sentence 1026 00:48:46,184 --> 00:48:47,968 was the right punishment. 1027 00:48:50,014 --> 00:48:52,930 - How does it feel to be out? - Good. 1028 00:48:53,060 --> 00:48:54,757 - And so the Manson jury ends its stay 1029 00:48:54,888 --> 00:48:57,325 at the Ambassador Hotel after seven months 1030 00:48:57,456 --> 00:49:00,328 of being sequestered on orders of Judge Charles Older. 1031 00:49:04,506 --> 00:49:06,595 - Today, the judge formally passed sentence 1032 00:49:06,726 --> 00:49:09,381 on Charles Manson and his girls. 1033 00:49:09,511 --> 00:49:12,819 The death penalty, he said, for seven senseless murders. 1034 00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:15,343 - What are your thoughts of the verdict handed down? 1035 00:49:15,474 --> 00:49:17,389 - What is the verdict? - Death. 1036 00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:19,739 - For all of them? - Death for all of them. 1037 00:49:19,869 --> 00:49:21,175 - For all. 1038 00:49:21,306 --> 00:49:23,917 Uh... you know what? 1039 00:49:24,048 --> 00:49:27,007 The system has just judged itself. 1040 00:49:27,138 --> 00:49:29,792 It's just judged itself. It's all a matter of time now. 1041 00:49:29,923 --> 00:49:32,099 You can't kill love. 1042 00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:33,971 You can't kill the soul. 1043 00:49:34,101 --> 00:49:36,625 And the love and the soul is in the penitentiaries 1044 00:49:36,756 --> 00:49:38,497 and it's in the jails, 1045 00:49:38,627 --> 00:49:41,674 and those brothers and sisters are coming out soon. 1046 00:49:41,804 --> 00:49:45,417 And they're gonna judge you as you have judged them. 1047 00:49:45,547 --> 00:49:48,333 [eerie music] 1048 00:49:48,463 --> 00:49:50,465 ♪ 1049 00:49:50,596 --> 00:49:54,774 [distorted voice echoes indistinctly] 1050 00:49:54,904 --> 00:49:57,864 - People would visit Charlie. 1051 00:49:57,995 --> 00:50:00,171 Squeaky came back and said, 1052 00:50:00,301 --> 00:50:02,869 "I got some acid for everybody." 1053 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,698 Okay, so we all took acid. 1054 00:50:05,828 --> 00:50:08,309 And then she said, 1055 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,808 "Charlie would like us to show the world 1056 00:50:09,832 --> 00:50:12,270 how much we love him." 1057 00:50:13,575 --> 00:50:15,708 I said, "Okay." 1058 00:50:15,838 --> 00:50:18,450 And so she said, "What we're gonna do is start... 1059 00:50:18,580 --> 00:50:20,843 It was around the Whiskey a Go Go 1060 00:50:20,974 --> 00:50:22,889 on Sunset Boulevard. 1061 00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:24,978 And we're gonna crawl 1062 00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:28,416 all the way back to the courthouse. 1063 00:50:33,552 --> 00:50:35,032 - ♪ If you don't think 1064 00:50:35,162 --> 00:50:38,861 ♪ This world is filled with pain ♪ 1065 00:50:38,992 --> 00:50:44,345 ♪ You don't know that wars become insane ♪ 1066 00:50:44,476 --> 00:50:49,481 ♪ No explanation is an insult to your brain ♪ 1067 00:50:49,611 --> 00:50:52,614 ♪ Then you try dying in the rain ♪ 1068 00:50:52,745 --> 00:50:54,051 - When the acid was coming on, 1069 00:50:54,181 --> 00:50:56,009 you kind of feel like you can do anything 1070 00:50:56,140 --> 00:50:58,446 and you don't feel much physically, 1071 00:50:58,577 --> 00:51:00,927 but it got pretty excruciating. 1072 00:51:01,058 --> 00:51:03,190 And I thought to myself, 1073 00:51:03,321 --> 00:51:05,366 "Well, this does it. 1074 00:51:05,497 --> 00:51:07,629 I'll be crippled for life now." 1075 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,718 - ♪ When you see the little children ♪ 1076 00:51:09,849 --> 00:51:12,895 ♪ Play with guns 1077 00:51:13,026 --> 00:51:17,944 ♪ And you let them think that killing is fun ♪ 1078 00:51:18,075 --> 00:51:19,511 ♪ If you're too dumb 1079 00:51:19,641 --> 00:51:21,643 ♪ To know the harm you've done ♪ 1080 00:51:21,774 --> 00:51:23,297 - The police just checked to see 1081 00:51:23,428 --> 00:51:24,690 if any of us had warrants. 1082 00:51:24,820 --> 00:51:27,693 - ♪ Try bleeding in the sun 1083 00:51:27,823 --> 00:51:31,958 - And I was very glad when I had warrants 1084 00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:34,656 out for me for traffic tickets. 1085 00:51:34,787 --> 00:51:38,051 They took me and Mary Brunner in, 1086 00:51:38,182 --> 00:51:40,097 and the other girls crawled on. 1087 00:51:40,227 --> 00:51:44,927 - ♪ I've got too much on my mind ♪ 1088 00:51:45,058 --> 00:51:47,452 ♪ I've got too much - I still have some scars... 1089 00:51:47,582 --> 00:51:50,498 - ♪ On my mind 1090 00:51:50,629 --> 00:51:53,588 - On one knee from that crawl. 1091 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,982 - How did you get rid of the X on your forehead? 1092 00:51:56,113 --> 00:51:58,289 - I actually did it myself. 1093 00:51:58,419 --> 00:52:00,682 Mm-hmm. I sanded it off. 1094 00:52:03,903 --> 00:52:06,688 - Oh, my goodness. 1095 00:52:06,819 --> 00:52:08,927 - I think it's important when we look at the Manson Family 1096 00:52:08,951 --> 00:52:11,693 to understand that they operated very much like a cult. 1097 00:52:11,824 --> 00:52:13,956 So it starts out that an individual 1098 00:52:14,087 --> 00:52:16,916 with a certain personality structure 1099 00:52:17,046 --> 00:52:19,832 seeks out individuals who are vulnerable. 1100 00:52:19,962 --> 00:52:24,532 [soft dramatic music] 1101 00:52:24,663 --> 00:52:27,927 There's an initial stage where a person is bombarded 1102 00:52:28,057 --> 00:52:30,712 with messages of love and complete acceptance, 1103 00:52:30,843 --> 00:52:33,193 so the person feels that 1104 00:52:33,324 --> 00:52:35,674 in all of the schools of thought that led to them 1105 00:52:35,804 --> 00:52:38,677 being not good enough, have now been disintegrated, 1106 00:52:38,807 --> 00:52:41,070 and they have found a place where it's not necessary 1107 00:52:41,201 --> 00:52:44,552 to meet any of the criteria of the outside world. 1108 00:52:44,683 --> 00:52:47,555 The person is then isolated, 1109 00:52:47,686 --> 00:52:49,557 and there is a relentless effort 1110 00:52:49,688 --> 00:52:52,691 to keep the media away from them. 1111 00:52:52,821 --> 00:52:54,867 If it slips though, 1112 00:52:54,997 --> 00:52:57,609 the message is that it's lies. It's untrue. 1113 00:52:57,739 --> 00:53:01,134 You only believe the leader of the cult. 1114 00:53:01,265 --> 00:53:02,701 There is then a period of treating 1115 00:53:02,831 --> 00:53:04,485 the person very badly, 1116 00:53:04,616 --> 00:53:07,619 either through forced sexual activity, 1117 00:53:07,749 --> 00:53:10,448 beating them, belittling them, 1118 00:53:10,578 --> 00:53:12,798 so that what psychologically happens 1119 00:53:12,928 --> 00:53:14,800 is the individual now says, 1120 00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:16,758 "I want to get back to a place 1121 00:53:16,889 --> 00:53:18,717 "where I get the perfect acceptance 1122 00:53:18,847 --> 00:53:20,240 "that I was getting before, 1123 00:53:20,371 --> 00:53:23,548 and I would do absolutely anything to get it." 1124 00:53:23,678 --> 00:53:25,898 All of the strengths that would create boundaries 1125 00:53:26,028 --> 00:53:27,552 between themself and the leader 1126 00:53:27,682 --> 00:53:30,685 are disintegrated gradually. 1127 00:53:30,816 --> 00:53:32,774 And what Charlie did was to make people believe 1128 00:53:32,905 --> 00:53:34,602 that the disintegration of their ego 1129 00:53:34,733 --> 00:53:36,517 was philosophically driven 1130 00:53:36,648 --> 00:53:39,825 and that it was being done for their own good. 1131 00:53:39,955 --> 00:53:44,090 When reality, it was all the interest of himself. 1132 00:53:44,221 --> 00:53:48,268 - The element of con man in Charlie as a philosopher 1133 00:53:48,399 --> 00:53:52,577 was essential because you can't have a philosopher 1134 00:53:52,707 --> 00:53:55,928 or a guru, whatever, without also being a con man. 1135 00:53:59,061 --> 00:54:00,802 - The closer you get to the Manson case, 1136 00:54:00,933 --> 00:54:02,978 the more you focus in, 1137 00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:05,024 the less glamorous it becomes, 1138 00:54:05,154 --> 00:54:07,200 and you realize that Charles Manson 1139 00:54:07,331 --> 00:54:09,942 took over the lives of these kids 1140 00:54:10,072 --> 00:54:13,467 and hurt everyone, 1141 00:54:13,598 --> 00:54:16,253 ruined everyone around him. 1142 00:54:17,950 --> 00:54:20,257 Because he had lived in prison 1143 00:54:20,387 --> 00:54:23,260 for more than half of his life at this time, 1144 00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:26,785 he was very canny and was charismatic. 1145 00:54:26,915 --> 00:54:29,396 He knew how to twist people. 1146 00:54:29,527 --> 00:54:30,919 He knew how to survive. 1147 00:54:34,053 --> 00:54:35,576 I think any of us, 1148 00:54:35,707 --> 00:54:37,143 if we'd been walking down the road 1149 00:54:37,274 --> 00:54:39,537 in the summer of 1969 1150 00:54:39,667 --> 00:54:40,947 and had a fight with our parents, 1151 00:54:41,016 --> 00:54:45,194 could've ended up in the Manson Family. 1152 00:54:45,325 --> 00:54:47,936 - It makes me sad a little bit when I look back on it 1153 00:54:48,067 --> 00:54:52,071 because most of us just loved each other, 1154 00:54:52,201 --> 00:54:56,945 and we didn't realize that... 1155 00:54:57,076 --> 00:55:00,558 we were looking up to someone that was so damaged. 1156 00:55:03,038 --> 00:55:05,171 - The thing that was driving Charlie at that time 1157 00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:08,522 was his insecurities, 1158 00:55:08,653 --> 00:55:10,611 his fear and paranoia. 1159 00:55:10,742 --> 00:55:14,093 And it became directed at his own people. 1160 00:55:14,223 --> 00:55:17,923 - It came during this height 1161 00:55:18,053 --> 00:55:20,317 of the hippie culture. 1162 00:55:20,447 --> 00:55:23,450 Everybody was looking for this enlightenment. 1163 00:55:23,581 --> 00:55:26,975 And then with these murders, 1164 00:55:27,106 --> 00:55:29,804 just out of the blue, scaring everybody, 1165 00:55:29,935 --> 00:55:32,590 and people not knowing how this happened, 1166 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:37,595 and then to find out it's this ragtag, 1167 00:55:37,725 --> 00:55:41,860 you know, band of guru Charlie Manson followers. 1168 00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:44,776 And then watching them, you know, 1169 00:55:44,906 --> 00:55:47,648 parade down the halls of justice, 1170 00:55:47,779 --> 00:55:52,523 singing in satin dresses and just looney tunes. 1171 00:55:52,653 --> 00:55:54,089 - A part of it, I think, is because 1172 00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:55,526 it's just so hard to believe. 1173 00:55:55,656 --> 00:55:57,049 That little thing that Charlie had, 1174 00:55:57,179 --> 00:56:00,095 whatever it was that made people go to him. 1175 00:56:00,226 --> 00:56:02,184 Maybe that's part of the reason why 1176 00:56:02,315 --> 00:56:04,012 we're still talking about it, 1177 00:56:04,143 --> 00:56:05,666 that almost supernatural 1178 00:56:05,797 --> 00:56:08,539 whatever the heck it was about him. 1179 00:56:08,669 --> 00:56:10,976 Maybe that's it. I don't know. 1180 00:56:11,106 --> 00:56:17,678 ♪ 1181 00:56:19,811 --> 00:56:21,987 - There has never been a lack of interest 1182 00:56:22,117 --> 00:56:23,728 in the Manson story 1183 00:56:23,858 --> 00:56:26,818 because it is 1184 00:56:26,948 --> 00:56:29,168 something that was such an aberration. 1185 00:56:29,298 --> 00:56:30,952 It changed society. 1186 00:56:31,083 --> 00:56:34,652 It brings out all of our fear. 1187 00:56:34,782 --> 00:56:37,263 - I think the Charles Manson case 1188 00:56:37,394 --> 00:56:39,657 is of enduring fascination 1189 00:56:39,787 --> 00:56:43,400 because LA changed forever. 1190 00:56:43,530 --> 00:56:47,186 There's a paranoid culture in modern LA 1191 00:56:47,316 --> 00:56:50,102 that was not here in the 1960s. 1192 00:56:50,232 --> 00:56:52,147 One of the most incredible things is that 1193 00:56:52,278 --> 00:56:53,845 Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys 1194 00:56:53,975 --> 00:56:56,021 could pick up two of the Manson girls 1195 00:56:56,151 --> 00:56:58,458 hitchhiking on Pacific Coast Highway, 1196 00:56:58,589 --> 00:57:00,218 and the next thing you know, the Manson Family 1197 00:57:00,242 --> 00:57:04,029 has moved into his house in Pacific Palisades. 1198 00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:06,988 It was a more innocent time in that regard, 1199 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,774 and the Manson killings ended that time. 1200 00:57:09,904 --> 00:57:13,821 [helicopter whirring] 1201 00:57:13,952 --> 00:57:16,345 - People have been brainwashed 1202 00:57:16,476 --> 00:57:20,654 or have read so much about the real reason 1203 00:57:20,785 --> 00:57:24,919 behind these murders was to start a race war 1204 00:57:25,050 --> 00:57:26,878 that they believe it, 1205 00:57:27,008 --> 00:57:30,185 and I do not think that that was true. 1206 00:57:30,316 --> 00:57:32,231 - A large number of people 1207 00:57:32,361 --> 00:57:35,452 believe that it was this Helter Skelter theory, 1208 00:57:35,582 --> 00:57:39,760 which I don't believe, and if it was not, 1209 00:57:39,891 --> 00:57:41,632 then what was it? 1210 00:57:41,762 --> 00:57:43,111 That's the question. 1211 00:57:49,291 --> 00:57:52,338 - People glamorize the case, and it wasn't glamorous. 1212 00:57:52,469 --> 00:57:56,908 People think Spahn Ranch was groovy. 1213 00:57:57,038 --> 00:57:59,040 Free sex, love. 1214 00:57:59,171 --> 00:58:01,608 But it was syphilis and violence 1215 00:58:01,739 --> 00:58:03,131 and motorcycle gangs 1216 00:58:03,262 --> 00:58:06,961 and rape and degradation. 1217 00:58:10,922 --> 00:58:12,837 - Look at the bodies, look at the lives 1218 00:58:12,967 --> 00:58:15,143 that were destroyed. 1219 00:58:18,495 --> 00:58:22,629 And singed and paralyzed... 1220 00:58:24,936 --> 00:58:29,810 By this man and what he wrought. 1221 00:58:29,941 --> 00:58:33,118 - What Charlie wanted more than anything 1222 00:58:33,248 --> 00:58:38,340 was to be famous, to be important. 1223 00:58:38,471 --> 00:58:42,257 And curse his soul... 1224 00:58:44,477 --> 00:58:46,740 He did it. We're still talking about him. 1225 00:58:46,871 --> 00:58:48,481 The puppeteer played us, 1226 00:58:48,612 --> 00:58:50,135 and he didn't just play us once, 1227 00:58:50,265 --> 00:58:52,398 he kept doing it. 1228 00:58:52,529 --> 00:58:54,226 He knew what strings to yank, 1229 00:58:54,356 --> 00:58:55,836 and when the time was right, 1230 00:58:55,967 --> 00:58:59,231 he always did it. 1231 00:58:59,361 --> 00:59:01,842 Let's take what we can learn from Manson 1232 00:59:01,973 --> 00:59:05,672 and finally, thank God, move on past him. 1233 00:59:09,371 --> 00:59:12,157 [mellow music] 1234 00:59:12,287 --> 00:59:19,164 ♪ 1235 00:59:32,743 --> 00:59:36,921 - ♪ Pull the string, and I'll wink at you ♪ 1236 00:59:37,051 --> 00:59:39,837 ♪ I'm your puppet 1237 00:59:39,967 --> 00:59:43,405 ♪ 1238 00:59:43,536 --> 00:59:48,236 ♪ I'll do funny things if you want me to ♪ 1239 00:59:48,367 --> 00:59:51,065 ♪ I'm your puppet 1240 00:59:51,196 --> 00:59:55,417 ♪ 1241 00:59:55,548 --> 01:00:01,206 ♪ I'm yours to have and to hold ♪ 1242 01:00:01,336 --> 01:00:07,429 ♪ Darling, you've got full control ♪ 1243 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,389 ♪ Of your puppet 1244 01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:14,349 ♪ 1245 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:19,267 ♪ Pull another string, and I'll kiss your lips ♪ 1246 01:00:19,398 --> 01:00:22,096 ♪ I'm your puppet 1247 01:00:22,227 --> 01:00:26,187 ♪ 1248 01:00:26,318 --> 01:00:28,276 ♪ Snap your finger 1249 01:00:28,407 --> 01:00:30,844 ♪ And I'll turn you some flips ♪ 1250 01:00:30,975 --> 01:00:33,412 ♪ I'm your puppet 1251 01:00:33,542 --> 01:00:37,851 ♪ 1252 01:00:37,982 --> 01:00:43,161 ♪ Your every wish is my command ♪ 1253 01:00:43,291 --> 01:00:46,294 ♪ All you gotta do is wave 1254 01:00:46,425 --> 01:00:50,168 ♪ Your little hand 1255 01:00:50,298 --> 01:00:51,909 ♪ I'm your puppet 1256 01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:56,043 ♪ 1257 01:00:56,174 --> 01:00:57,784 ♪ I'm your puppet 1258 01:00:57,915 --> 01:01:03,007 ♪ 1259 01:01:03,137 --> 01:01:06,010 ♪ I'm just a toy 1260 01:01:06,140 --> 01:01:08,665 ♪ Just a funny boy 1261 01:01:08,795 --> 01:01:12,277 ♪ That makes you laugh when you are blue ♪ 1262 01:01:12,407 --> 01:01:14,540 ♪ 1263 01:01:14,671 --> 01:01:17,456 ♪ I'll be wonderful 1264 01:01:17,586 --> 01:01:20,502 ♪ I'll do just what I'm told 1265 01:01:20,633 --> 01:01:24,942 ♪ I'll do anything for you 1266 01:01:25,072 --> 01:01:27,814 ♪ 'Cause I'm your puppet 1267 01:01:27,945 --> 01:01:31,557 ♪ 1268 01:01:31,688 --> 01:01:34,908 ♪ Darling, darling 1269 01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:37,258 ♪ Darling, darling 1270 01:01:37,389 --> 01:01:40,087 ♪ I'm your puppet 1271 01:01:40,218 --> 01:01:44,091 ♪ 1272 01:01:44,222 --> 01:01:46,006 - Greg, move your head. 1273 01:01:46,030 --> 01:01:49,030 Subtitles Diego Moraes(oakislandtk) www.opensubtitles.org