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[reel buzzing and whirring]
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[foreboding music]
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[heart beating]
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[music intensifies
to threatening]
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[muffled chopper blades
chuffing]
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[dramatic sting]
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[music fades]
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[retro electronic buzz]
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[reel buzzing and whirring]
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[monochrome era jingle playing]
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[somber music]
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[Male Narrator] Between 2018
and 2022,
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three actresses were murdered
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during production
of the film Dissident
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by an individual known
as The Hollywood Killer.
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THK attempted a fourth murder
on actress Audrey Evans,
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who escaped and went on
to finish the film.
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The only evidence that exists
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is the footage of the murders
that THK filmed
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and outtakes
from the film Dissident.
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The case remains unsolved.
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[music continues]
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[unsettling music]
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Killing isn't as scary
as it sounds.
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When you do it enough,
you actually start to enjoy it.
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Cut, don't move, stay there.
Dustin,
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I got a question for you.
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-Are you a killer?
-Yes.
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Yeah? Let me see your eyes.
I can't see them.
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Look at me. Are you a killer?
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-Yes.
-Go back over there.
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-Are you a fucking killer?
-Yes.
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That's crazy 'cause I don't
fucking believe you.
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-Are you a killer?
-Yes.
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-Are you a killer?
-[aggressively] Yes.
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-You're a killer?
-Yes!
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-You're gonna kill for me?
-[tensed] Yes.
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-You're gonna kill for me?
-Yes.
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Okay. Wait.
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-Roll camera.
-[Man] [indistinct].
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[Director] You a killer, Dustin?
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[brooding] Yes.
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[Director] Action.
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Killing isn't as scary
as it sounds.
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When you do it enough,
you actually start to enjoy it.
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[classical strings music]
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[music obscures into eerie
and triumphant]
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[abstract piano music]
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[Thomas] My name
is Thomas Scott.
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I'm a former FBI agent.
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And when I was at the Bureau,
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I had the highest success rate
of any profiler in history.
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I caught
every single serial killer
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I ever chased, except for one.
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This one, The Hollywood Killer.
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Also known as THK,
he became famous
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because of the cinematic nature
of his crimes.
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He was the first serial killer
ever to film the murders
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and upload them to the Internet.
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But why is he so hard to catch?
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Is it the lack of evidence? No.
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I've solved plenty of cases
with very little evidence.
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The real challenge lies
in the unconventional
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and peculiar nature
of the suspects.
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And let me just say,
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this is the strangest group
of suspects I've ever seen.
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Christopher Pace,
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the writer
and director of Dissident
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and a six-time Oscar winner.
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Lawrence Hughes,
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one of the most respected
actors in the world.
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Tedd Mankiewicz,
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the most powerful manager
in Hollywood.
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Dustin Scott,
a former teen heartthrob.
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And Melvin Asher,
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the biggest
box office star ever.
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And one of them could be
responsible for the murders
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of three of the most famous
actresses in history.
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Ava Bergman, Barbera Ball,
and Greata Daniels.
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It's important to understand
what connects everyone.
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And the thing that links
the suspects,
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the victims, and the killer
all together
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is the film Dissident,
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a film which has made history
for a variety of reasons.
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The first being that
the original director,
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Christopher Demy, did something
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that he had never done before,
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that no one
had ever done before.
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He was going to let
the cameras roll
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when no one knew
they were rolling.
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The only people that knew
was the guy who loads the film
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and Ivan
who's shooting the film.
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The writer didn't know.
The actors didn't know.
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No one else knew.
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All of the outtakes
have become evidence
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in the largest murder case
in history.
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So Demy, right at
the beginning of the project,
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instructed me very clearly
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that the camera
was never to be cut.
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And, at first, it sounded
very strange.
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I've never done that before.
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I've shot everything in my life.
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But not cutting a camera
just makes no sense.
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Now, he was right
because what he was after
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was the magic that happens
in between the shots,
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in between the takes.
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So this film shot
the most feet of film
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ever in history.
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The logistic is complicated,
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but the camera was never to cut.
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So everything was rolling
at all times.
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[Thomas] So how do you feel
about the fact
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that the cameras were rolling
the whole time?
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Uh, you know, I think it's
ultimately, uh, irrelevant,
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how do I feel.
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Uh, clearly, I'm not
a performer.
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It's not what I get enjoyment
or pleasure out of.
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So I think that there's
this misconception
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about the way
that I conduct myself
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is, in and of itself,
a performance
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that I was aware that
the cameras were rolling.
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Uh, nothing could be further
from the truth.
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Uh, unfortunately,
what you are getting
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is, um, unadulterated,
uh, reality.
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You are getting me as I am
in those moments.
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Or I will make the blood
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come out of your fucking mouth
for real.
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You got it.
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[Christopher] You ever bled
like this?
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You.. Yeah.
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-Yeah? You bled like this?
-You already got it.
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Think about the last time
you bled like this, okay?
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Think about it.
Just think about it, okay?
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Again. Come on!
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[panicked breathing]
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-Yeah? Uh-huh. No, no!
-Okay, can I go?
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[Christopher] You got to stop
running away from it, okay?
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Don't be afraid of it!
Stay with it!
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Again!
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[panicked breathing]
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-[Christopher] Uh-huh.
-Okay...
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No, no. It looks like you're
going to have a fucking orgasm.
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Thank you, guys!
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[Christopher]
Get back down in the blood!
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Get the fuck back in the blood!
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-[Greata] Bye!
-Greata, I swear to God!
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Come back here!
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If any of us knew the cameras
were rolling at all times,
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none of us would have acted
the way we did.
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I'm excited that
all this footage exists,
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because it shows you the hell
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that we go through
just to entertain people.
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-Marty? Marty!
-[Marty] Yeah.
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Listen to me.
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I can feel your effort
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to drive straight through
the rubber and aluminum.
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Do not drive like an actor,
Marty!
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[Actress] Hold the window.
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-Do not drive like an actor!
-[Actress] Go away!
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-Drive like a fucking man!
-[Actress] Go away!
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Drive like a man!
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In the history of movie making,
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I've never seen anything
like this happen.
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I mean, I've made 218 movies.
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I've filmed in 40 countries
in the world.
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I've had six fucking wives,
and this is unprecedented.
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You can't talk
about Hollywood lore
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without talking
about three films.
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Apocalypse Now, The Wizard
of Oz, and Dissident.
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But to understand why
Dissident is on that list,
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we have to meet
the original architect,
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Christopher Demy.
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[Thomas] Can you tell me
a little bit
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about who you are
and what you do?
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I'm an auteur.
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You know what that means?
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That means someone who has
a clear vision
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of the kind of films
they want to make.
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And the films I make are big,
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and people seem to like them.
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[Thomas] Demy is one of
the top-grossing directors
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of all time,
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but Dissident was written by one
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of the hottest screenwriters
in the world,
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Christopher Pace.
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So I was excited to ask Pace
what he thought about Demy.
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He's a lost little boy.
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Um, still playing with toys,
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believing that big explosions
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and, uh, rotating cameras
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and putting things in reverse
make a film.
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He is an artist
in search of art.
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Um, I don't know what to say
about that.
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I will let the hearsay,
the pundits, the Internet,
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your mama,
say whatever they want to say.
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I know who I am.
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It's easy to say they're not
fans of each other.
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Maybe the biggest issue
between them was the fact
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that Demy
kept the cameras rolling
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without Pace's knowledge.
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Pace claimed that Demy used
the controversy
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around the outtakes
and their feud
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to turn the film
into a social commentary.
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So I asked him,
"What does it mean?"
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Everyone wants to know,
"What does it mean?
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What does it mean?"
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It's whatever the fuck
you want it to mean.
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It's like, what the fuck?
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I'm not supposed to do
all the work for you.
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I'm supposed to lay out the art.
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I know what the fuck
I know what it means,
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but people, "But wait,
was it this?"
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They stop me on the street.
I can't go to Starbucks.
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"Hi, hey, Chris, is it this?"
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I'm like, "I don't know."
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It could mean
female independence.
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It could mean liberation.
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It could mean,
uh, deconstructive masculinity.
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You name it.
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Whatever it is,
that's what I'm happy with.
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I create the art.
You create the interpretation.
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All I know is that what I did
on this film
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will be deconstructed,
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and reinterpreted, and pondered
for many, many years
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in film schools
across this land.
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I was there the day Demy
walked away from the film.
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It was the day
that I would never forget
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and it was the day
that changed the film forever.
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The phone booth day.
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Listen to me, Demy!
How about that?
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How about if I just talked
to you
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and told you
that I am not a writer,
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nor am I a hero?
I am the fucking devil!
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Yeah, two Oscars.
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I melted 'em down into a pen
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and I wrote this fucking script
with it!
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I don't give a fuck
about your Oscars!
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And if you could honestly
tell me that this scene,
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the way it's going,
the way he's doing it,
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isn't fucking dog shit,
then I will walk away
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and let you piss all over
my dream.
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I won't shoot until you get down
on your knees and pray to me.
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You want to get a new phone
booth in here, maybe?
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So after we wrap tonight,
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I'm going to come
to your fucking hotel room,
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room 246,
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and I will beat you
until you fucking love me!
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[Demy] You're not a fucking...
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You see that? That was...
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[Demy] You're fucking trash.
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You fucking ingest it
over and over again
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while I'm throwing the fuck up
on you.
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I'm fucking vomiting it all
back to you!
254
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You're fucked up!
That's not fucking art!
255
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Fuck you! Fuck you!
256
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Oh, in the beginning,
Demy and Pace were a dream team.
257
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They were great.
They got along really well.
258
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But, you know, even Pippen
talks shit on Jordan now.
259
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I hate this man.
260
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-Mm-hmm.
-I would love to beat him.
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The only reason I can't is
because of...
262
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Well, some obscure DJ law,
you're not supposed
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to fucking kick the shit
out of [indistinct]
264
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Um, this is
an awful environment,
265
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and I apologize for that.
266
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[Martin] The moment Pace
walked into that phone booth
267
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was the moment Demy walked
off set.
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Forever.
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When Demy quit,
Hollywood was riddled
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with speculation as to why
this massive director
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would walk
from such a big movie.
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Those people have
no idea where I come from
273
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and the kind of worlds
that I create
274
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and the kind
of sets that I create.
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The real reason why I quit is
because I just couldn't take
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working with Pace.
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So I left the film,
278
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and the press
labeled me as a monster.
279
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You know, I'm not
even gonna name the monsters,
280
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but there are many monsters
in this industry
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and I'm definitely not one
of them.
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At this point, we were
three weeks behind schedule
283
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after two weeks of shooting.
284
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You do that math.
285
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I knew from the first
production meeting
286
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that Pace and Demy would never
be able to work together.
287
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The only one who understands
Dissident is Pace.
288
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[Christopher] You'll never be
able to understand Dissident
289
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without understanding
a theatrical technique
290
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called theater of cruelty.
291
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That is what Dissident is.
292
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Dissident is theater of cruelty.
293
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The principle conceit
of theater of cruelty
294
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was to create theatrical pieces
295
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that were so shocking,
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that were so upsetting,
grotesque, uh, and powerful
297
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that the audience did not
have the opportunity to think.
298
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They had nothing to do
but live, but to exist,
299
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but to experience
what they were seeing.
300
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I told Demy,
just like I told Mocker,
301
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just like I told Mankiewicz,
302
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that nobody could shoot this
movie but me.
303
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And yet Demy, finding himself
304
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caught between the Scylla
and Charybdis,
305
00:14:34,907 --> 00:14:38,253
the crashing rocks
of my creation
306
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and the sea monster
of trying to interpret it,
307
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he realizes that he's drowning
and he starts a fight with me.
308
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He wanted a reason
to walk off that set.
309
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And I gave it to him.
310
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So when Demy quit before he
walked out of the set,
311
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he pulled me aside
and he made me promise
312
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that I would keep rolling
the camera in between takes.
313
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So I did.
314
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We started working together.
315
00:15:06,305 --> 00:15:08,149
You said one thing, you said,
"I make it look good," okay?
316
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But this does not look good.
317
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You don't let me make it
look good.
318
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I don't let you?
How could I stop you?
319
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You choose the lenses.
320
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Of course I'm gonna choose
the lenses.
321
00:15:15,814 --> 00:15:17,826
This is my fucking film.
It is my job.
322
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-It's my lens, though.
-No, no, no.
323
00:15:19,351 --> 00:15:21,863
I feel like you really struggle
with object permanence, okay?
324
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It's not your lens.
325
00:15:23,522 --> 00:15:27,302
What Demy didn't know
when he asked Ivan to do this
326
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was that this footage would
lead to Christopher Pace
327
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being a murder suspect
and would soon be part
328
00:15:34,166 --> 00:15:37,078
of one of the largest
murder investigations
329
00:15:37,102 --> 00:15:38,880
in Hollywood history.
330
00:15:38,904 --> 00:15:41,116
But let's start
with Pace taking over
331
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as the director of Dissident.
332
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You're here, right?
333
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Like this and then boom,
like that.
334
00:15:46,845 --> 00:15:48,089
-Did you see me?
-Yeah.
335
00:15:48,113 --> 00:15:50,458
But it's a motion! It comes up!
336
00:15:50,482 --> 00:15:51,459
Ow!
337
00:15:51,483 --> 00:15:54,420
I still remember the day
that Pace took over.
338
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It is a day that will live
in infamy
339
00:15:56,855 --> 00:15:59,625
as the worst day of my life.
340
00:16:00,059 --> 00:16:01,670
Give me your hand.
This one, right here.
341
00:16:01,694 --> 00:16:02,538
-All right, ready?
-Yeah.
342
00:16:02,562 --> 00:16:03,905
-Put your finger out like that.
-Yeah.
343
00:16:03,929 --> 00:16:05,774
All right?
Now I want you to poke me.
344
00:16:05,798 --> 00:16:06,875
Poke me. Come on. Poke me.
345
00:16:06,899 --> 00:16:08,543
-Yeah, there we go. Uh-huh.
-Mm-hmm.
346
00:16:08,567 --> 00:16:10,111
-It's getting difficult, right?
-Yeah.
347
00:16:10,135 --> 00:16:11,646
-Why don't you fucking poke me?
-[grunts aggressively]
348
00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:12,681
Right? Okay.
349
00:16:12,705 --> 00:16:15,450
Now I want you to ask me to do
the same thing.
350
00:16:15,474 --> 00:16:18,186
I want you to poke me.
Ah, fucker!
351
00:16:18,210 --> 00:16:19,955
-Stop trying to win, Dustin.
-God damn.
352
00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:21,480
And fucking listen to me.
353
00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,725
Pace made my life a living hell.
354
00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:26,328
I remember getting a call
from Dustin's manager
355
00:16:26,352 --> 00:16:29,097
saying that he was trying
to kill him with a helicopter.
356
00:16:29,121 --> 00:16:37,121
[triumphant music]
357
00:16:37,730 --> 00:16:39,007
Personally, I thought
358
00:16:39,031 --> 00:16:40,976
the helicopter
should have been closer,
359
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,036
but the film industry
is full of pussies.
360
00:16:44,503 --> 00:16:47,983
Pace is one of the smartest
directors out there.
361
00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:50,986
He knows everything
about everything in film.
362
00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:52,387
He did his homework.
363
00:16:52,411 --> 00:16:55,156
He's a contemporary
of Tarantino in that way.
364
00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:57,058
He's younger, but he's as smart,
365
00:16:57,082 --> 00:16:59,194
and he has a really,
really deep perception.
366
00:16:59,218 --> 00:17:01,596
He used the neorealist aspect
367
00:17:01,620 --> 00:17:07,435
in order to reinvent cinema
from himself.
368
00:17:07,459 --> 00:17:10,171
And here's something that Pace
said to me at one point,
369
00:17:10,195 --> 00:17:11,539
which I think is interesting.
370
00:17:11,563 --> 00:17:13,608
There's a quote from Chaplin,
famous quote.
371
00:17:13,632 --> 00:17:18,279
Life when viewed in close-up
is a tragedy,
372
00:17:18,303 --> 00:17:21,649
and in long shot,
it is a, uh, a comedy.
373
00:17:21,673 --> 00:17:24,319
Pace said to me,
"Chaplin got it wrong.
374
00:17:24,343 --> 00:17:26,087
"In close-up, it's a comedy.
375
00:17:26,111 --> 00:17:29,190
In long shot,
that's when it's a tragedy."
376
00:17:29,214 --> 00:17:30,892
The thing
that people don't realize
377
00:17:30,916 --> 00:17:32,394
is they're just
playing checkers.
378
00:17:32,418 --> 00:17:35,263
Pace is playing
four-dimensional chess.
379
00:17:35,287 --> 00:17:36,831
[Christopher] Okay, Zeus,
I need you
380
00:17:36,855 --> 00:17:39,034
in conversation with the wind.
381
00:17:39,058 --> 00:17:41,102
I want you to think about, uh,
382
00:17:41,126 --> 00:17:43,338
it's like My Dinner with Andre.
383
00:17:43,362 --> 00:17:46,074
Give me Wallace Shawn!
384
00:17:46,098 --> 00:17:48,309
That's beautiful!
Beautiful work.
385
00:17:48,333 --> 00:17:50,945
Okay, Audrey, I want you to know
386
00:17:50,969 --> 00:17:52,614
that the helicopter pilot
387
00:17:52,638 --> 00:17:56,418
has a better understanding
of human emotion than you do.
388
00:17:56,442 --> 00:17:58,686
You're a titan of banality!
389
00:17:58,710 --> 00:18:01,790
Hey, you know what, Ivan?
Ivan, I don't...
390
00:18:01,814 --> 00:18:04,025
Just film something.
I don't even care anymore.
391
00:18:04,049 --> 00:18:05,584
Just shoot it.
392
00:18:05,884 --> 00:18:10,131
Every director has their tactic,
their, their method.
393
00:18:10,155 --> 00:18:13,368
And Pace says
he's a Meisner guy,
394
00:18:13,392 --> 00:18:14,569
and he's really method,
395
00:18:14,593 --> 00:18:17,639
and he likes to exist
in the, the situation.
396
00:18:17,663 --> 00:18:21,476
But, really, his tactics
are a lot like Mein Kampf,
397
00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:22,877
you know, like, like Hitler.
398
00:18:22,901 --> 00:18:25,947
Like, he's the son of Hitler,
I'm pretty sure.
399
00:18:25,971 --> 00:18:29,617
We get these
constant comparisons
400
00:18:29,641 --> 00:18:35,423
to the Fourth Reich,
to the Nazis, to Hitler.
401
00:18:35,447 --> 00:18:38,259
Um, when these comparisons
are made,
402
00:18:38,283 --> 00:18:39,727
it's about methodology, right?
403
00:18:39,751 --> 00:18:41,629
Because the prevailing mythology
404
00:18:41,653 --> 00:18:45,433
around the fascists is,
yes, they were awful,
405
00:18:45,457 --> 00:18:48,036
yes, they were brutes,
yes, they were genocidal,
406
00:18:48,060 --> 00:18:51,339
but the trains ran on time,
but they got things done.
407
00:18:51,363 --> 00:18:54,709
So I get this comparison,
I assume,
408
00:18:54,733 --> 00:18:57,278
because the idea
is that I am brutal,
409
00:18:57,302 --> 00:18:58,613
but I get things done.
410
00:18:58,637 --> 00:19:03,218
Well, I get things done
not because of cruelty,
411
00:19:03,242 --> 00:19:07,889
not because I am willing
to wipe out people
412
00:19:07,913 --> 00:19:10,225
in order to accomplish
my goals, no, no, no.
413
00:19:10,249 --> 00:19:13,928
It is perpetual motion.
It is Oppenheim.
414
00:19:13,952 --> 00:19:15,487
I am become death.
415
00:19:15,754 --> 00:19:18,233
Because once something
has, uh, begun,
416
00:19:18,257 --> 00:19:20,301
once, once the ball is rolling,
417
00:19:20,325 --> 00:19:22,961
it has to reach its conclusion.
418
00:19:23,328 --> 00:19:25,640
And that is, that is how I work.
419
00:19:25,664 --> 00:19:29,535
Once I have begun,
uh, I will not be stopped.
420
00:19:29,968 --> 00:19:32,046
This is not about you.
You know what is about you?
421
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:33,915
This moment, this scene, okay?
422
00:19:33,939 --> 00:19:35,216
So I want you to focus on that.
423
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,885
I don't give a shit about
anything else around it.
424
00:19:36,909 --> 00:19:38,086
No, no, no. This.
425
00:19:38,110 --> 00:19:39,320
You know why I put
the gloves on?
426
00:19:39,344 --> 00:19:40,488
-No.
-So that I can hurt you
427
00:19:40,512 --> 00:19:42,214
without leaving marks
on my skin.
428
00:19:42,581 --> 00:19:44,959
Pace didn't care
what the scene was.
429
00:19:44,983 --> 00:19:47,929
I mean, hell, he'd have walked
in on the birth of Christ
430
00:19:47,953 --> 00:19:49,264
and given Mary instructions
431
00:19:49,288 --> 00:19:51,900
how she could do it better
and with more meaning.
432
00:19:51,924 --> 00:19:53,268
You know what, Dustin?
433
00:19:53,292 --> 00:19:55,336
I've been watching the monitor
and it seems to me
434
00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:57,205
that you're starting
to perspire.
435
00:19:57,229 --> 00:19:59,398
Does that seem accurate to you?
436
00:19:59,665 --> 00:20:01,309
I'm having an issue
with the sweat.
437
00:20:01,333 --> 00:20:02,510
I need you to stop that.
438
00:20:02,534 --> 00:20:04,312
I mean, for us,
a cut was never a cut.
439
00:20:04,336 --> 00:20:06,648
We just kept the camera rolling
all the time
440
00:20:06,672 --> 00:20:08,116
because we got some great stuff,
441
00:20:08,140 --> 00:20:09,817
because Pace
was compelling people
442
00:20:09,841 --> 00:20:12,778
to do things they might not
have wanted to do.
443
00:20:13,111 --> 00:20:17,425
Yeah, Pace had a way of taking
anything and everything
444
00:20:17,449 --> 00:20:18,760
that brought you joy
445
00:20:18,784 --> 00:20:20,762
and just drowning it
in darkness.
446
00:20:20,786 --> 00:20:22,397
-Are you crying?
-No, I'm not crying...
447
00:20:22,421 --> 00:20:25,066
No, no, no. No, no.
There's no crying.
448
00:20:25,090 --> 00:20:26,601
There's no crying in filmmaking!
449
00:20:26,625 --> 00:20:28,536
No! There's no crying in film!
450
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,463
There is crying on film!
On film, never in film.
451
00:20:32,531 --> 00:20:35,601
What I say to my actors
452
00:20:37,402 --> 00:20:39,147
is between us.
453
00:20:39,171 --> 00:20:42,074
It has no bearing on anything
454
00:20:42,507 --> 00:20:45,377
but what you see in that frame.
455
00:20:45,844 --> 00:20:47,622
There's a lot of tension
between you guys.
456
00:20:47,646 --> 00:20:48,990
[loud helicopter chuffing]
457
00:20:49,014 --> 00:20:51,426
Normally that would be okay.
In this section, not good.
458
00:20:51,450 --> 00:20:53,494
Okay? So I need you to release
the tension.
459
00:20:53,518 --> 00:20:54,862
At the end of the next take,
460
00:20:54,886 --> 00:20:57,966
I just want the two of you guys
to just have sex, okay?
461
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:59,367
And we're gonna film it,
462
00:20:59,391 --> 00:21:01,436
but be prepared to stop
and start
463
00:21:01,460 --> 00:21:04,272
because I will have adjustments
specifically for you.
464
00:21:04,296 --> 00:21:06,274
Hey, pay attention, okay?
465
00:21:06,298 --> 00:21:08,409
Pace is one
of the most mysterious people
466
00:21:08,433 --> 00:21:09,577
I've ever investigated.
467
00:21:09,601 --> 00:21:12,146
He's an orphan with no family,
468
00:21:12,170 --> 00:21:15,383
no friends,
and no discernible past.
469
00:21:15,407 --> 00:21:19,420
In fact, the only person
we could find to interview
470
00:21:19,444 --> 00:21:22,156
who knew him
before he was famous
471
00:21:22,180 --> 00:21:23,715
was his college roommate.
472
00:21:24,883 --> 00:21:26,294
My name is Randall Birch.
473
00:21:26,318 --> 00:21:27,695
I'm a Tony Award-winning actor.
474
00:21:27,719 --> 00:21:30,355
That means I perform
on the stage.
475
00:21:30,622 --> 00:21:33,534
And Christopher Pace
was my college roommate.
476
00:21:33,558 --> 00:21:36,371
I would describe
living with Christopher Pace
477
00:21:36,395 --> 00:21:41,175
as, as a FOG:
Fear, Obligation, Guilt.
478
00:21:41,199 --> 00:21:44,145
He was masterful
at getting anyone
479
00:21:44,169 --> 00:21:45,647
besides myself, I would say,
480
00:21:45,671 --> 00:21:49,817
to do exactly what he wanted,
no matter how depraved.
481
00:21:49,841 --> 00:21:52,553
They were like cult members,
and he was a cult leader.
482
00:21:52,577 --> 00:21:56,658
When I saw the first video
posted on social media of Ava,
483
00:21:56,682 --> 00:22:00,461
I immediately called the LAPD,
and I told them,
484
00:22:00,485 --> 00:22:02,864
Christopher Pace is the one
that did this murder.
485
00:22:02,888 --> 00:22:05,633
It was filmed exactly like how
Christopher would film
486
00:22:05,657 --> 00:22:07,535
everything that went on
in our house.
487
00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,338
I think it's fascinating
that we've had
488
00:22:10,362 --> 00:22:12,674
famous serial killers
throughout time,
489
00:22:12,698 --> 00:22:16,501
and yet no one else filmed
the act.
490
00:22:17,536 --> 00:22:22,741
I think the idea
that Christopher Pace did that
491
00:22:23,108 --> 00:22:25,086
makes a lot of sense to me.
492
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:26,254
I can tell you this.
493
00:22:26,278 --> 00:22:29,348
Pace is definitely a murderer.
494
00:22:29,781 --> 00:22:31,526
I just don't know
if he's the murderer.
495
00:22:31,550 --> 00:22:34,128
I will stab you
in the fucking throat, Tedd.
496
00:22:34,152 --> 00:22:35,363
-I will do it. Okay?
-Do it.
497
00:22:35,387 --> 00:22:36,531
You'll never work again. Do it.
498
00:22:36,555 --> 00:22:38,099
I don't need to work.
I could work in prison.
499
00:22:38,123 --> 00:22:39,300
I'd put on a prison play
500
00:22:39,324 --> 00:22:40,635
that would win a fucking Oscar,
all right?
501
00:22:40,659 --> 00:22:42,236
And I would fuck
all the inmates.
502
00:22:42,260 --> 00:22:44,472
Is he out of his fucking mind?
503
00:22:44,496 --> 00:22:45,907
No doubt about it.
504
00:22:45,931 --> 00:22:49,935
But when you're a genius,
people have to tolerate you.
505
00:22:50,235 --> 00:22:52,246
And that's what Pace is.
506
00:22:52,270 --> 00:22:53,839
He's a genius.
507
00:22:54,106 --> 00:22:57,476
I am all things to all people.
508
00:22:58,510 --> 00:23:00,488
I am Mother.
509
00:23:00,512 --> 00:23:02,414
I am Father.
510
00:23:02,748 --> 00:23:07,586
I am killer, I am saint,
I am devil, I am savior.
511
00:23:07,986 --> 00:23:12,700
I am Idi Amin
and I am also Gandhi.
512
00:23:12,724 --> 00:23:15,002
-You know what this is?
-That's film.
513
00:23:15,026 --> 00:23:16,137
Yeah, this is the film
514
00:23:16,161 --> 00:23:17,772
from that really tight
profile shot I got of you.
515
00:23:17,796 --> 00:23:19,407
I just ripped it out
of the fucking camera.
516
00:23:19,431 --> 00:23:20,808
-You know why I did that?
-No.
517
00:23:20,832 --> 00:23:23,311
Because I can't fucking use it.
518
00:23:23,335 --> 00:23:25,713
I can't use any of this shit,
Dustin.
519
00:23:25,737 --> 00:23:27,949
Because Pace didn't start
as the director,
520
00:23:27,973 --> 00:23:30,084
he didn't get to choose
the cast.
521
00:23:30,108 --> 00:23:34,012
But the one person he did get
was Ava Bergman.
522
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,625
I ain't afraid of dying.
523
00:23:37,649 --> 00:23:39,518
I already done it.
524
00:23:42,521 --> 00:23:44,966
Ava was Pace's muse.
525
00:23:44,990 --> 00:23:48,136
The whole movie, the whole
concept of the movie was her.
526
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,673
I don't want to say that I wrote
the role for her
527
00:23:52,697 --> 00:23:55,977
because I don't write roles
for actors.
528
00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:59,580
I am, I am haunted
by a character.
529
00:23:59,604 --> 00:24:02,483
They live inside my, my brain.
530
00:24:02,507 --> 00:24:04,085
Uh, they destroy my life.
531
00:24:04,109 --> 00:24:09,023
And then to prevent suicide,
I write them onto a paper.
532
00:24:09,047 --> 00:24:13,227
And when I finished
with this, with this woman,
533
00:24:13,251 --> 00:24:14,429
uh, she was Ava.
534
00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:15,730
Talk to me. What do you need?
535
00:24:15,754 --> 00:24:18,166
Uh, I'm just not sure that I...
536
00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:20,234
-What?
-Okay. Um...
537
00:24:20,258 --> 00:24:21,402
You're not sure that what?
538
00:24:21,426 --> 00:24:24,839
That I really understand, uh,
the character at this point.
539
00:24:24,863 --> 00:24:27,341
You are the character.
What is there to understand?
540
00:24:27,365 --> 00:24:28,876
She was his Scarlet Empress.
541
00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:33,748
She was his Marlene Dietrich
to Josef von Sternberg.
542
00:24:33,772 --> 00:24:36,317
If von Sternberg
had lost Dietrich,
543
00:24:36,341 --> 00:24:38,052
this would have been a big hole
544
00:24:38,076 --> 00:24:39,220
in the history of cinema
545
00:24:39,244 --> 00:24:42,557
uh, and some images that were
amazing and shocking.
546
00:24:42,581 --> 00:24:46,627
I think it was a real blow,
um, to Pace
547
00:24:46,651 --> 00:24:47,862
uh, when this happened.
548
00:24:47,886 --> 00:24:51,399
And I think that it turned him
549
00:24:51,423 --> 00:24:54,068
into a dissident
toward his own movie,
550
00:24:54,092 --> 00:24:55,236
which was Dissident.
551
00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:56,938
Quit ripping the film
out of the fucking camera!
552
00:24:56,962 --> 00:24:58,639
What are you going to use
it for, Tedd?
553
00:24:58,663 --> 00:24:59,841
Quit ripping the fuckin' film!
554
00:24:59,865 --> 00:25:01,676
What do you want me
to do with it, Tedd?
555
00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:03,044
At least look at the dailies,
motherfucker!
556
00:25:03,068 --> 00:25:04,912
I don't need to see the dailies!
I do all the scenes, Tedd!
557
00:25:04,936 --> 00:25:07,748
[Melvin] People think Pace's
issues started with Barbera,
558
00:25:07,772 --> 00:25:09,417
but the fact of the matter is
559
00:25:09,441 --> 00:25:11,953
it wasn't all sunshine
and rainbows with Ava, either.
560
00:25:11,977 --> 00:25:15,122
Pace was in pursuit
of perfection.
561
00:25:15,146 --> 00:25:18,426
And from what I saw,
Ava couldn't give it to him.
562
00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:19,861
-I think we can drill down...
-Okay.
563
00:25:19,885 --> 00:25:21,329
And start doing
something interesting.
564
00:25:21,353 --> 00:25:24,532
I need, I need, I need somebody,
I need somebody to literally,
565
00:25:24,556 --> 00:25:25,867
like, call my therapist
566
00:25:25,891 --> 00:25:27,635
because, like, she knows that
when I'm stressed out,
567
00:25:27,659 --> 00:25:29,003
like, I need, like,
a breathing exercise...
568
00:25:29,027 --> 00:25:31,372
I think you need to act
when you're stressed out.
569
00:25:31,396 --> 00:25:32,773
I think you need to let it go.
570
00:25:32,797 --> 00:25:33,941
No, I don't think that I should.
571
00:25:33,965 --> 00:25:35,443
This is beautiful,
but you gotta let it out.
572
00:25:35,467 --> 00:25:39,814
From my research, Pace never
had an issue with her acting.
573
00:25:39,838 --> 00:25:42,250
He had an issue
with her boyfriend,
574
00:25:42,274 --> 00:25:44,118
a man who many people say
575
00:25:44,142 --> 00:25:46,454
is the greatest actor
of all time.
576
00:25:46,478 --> 00:25:49,614
Our next suspect,
Lawrence Hughes.
577
00:25:50,715 --> 00:25:53,628
Welcome to the picture show!
578
00:25:53,652 --> 00:25:56,030
[reel buzzing]
579
00:25:56,054 --> 00:25:59,300
Lawrence is a unique suspect
for three reasons.
580
00:25:59,324 --> 00:26:03,037
Number one, he was not
in the film, Dissident.
581
00:26:03,061 --> 00:26:05,640
Two, I was not able
to interview him
582
00:26:05,664 --> 00:26:08,900
while at the FBI
or for this documentary.
583
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,179
And, finally,
the day before Ava's murder,
584
00:26:12,203 --> 00:26:15,941
he disappeared
and has not been seen since.
585
00:26:16,608 --> 00:26:18,286
So to understand Lawrence,
586
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:21,580
let's start with
his relationship with Pace.
587
00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:24,358
The only way to describe
Lawrence and Pace
588
00:26:24,382 --> 00:26:26,193
is the same type of relationship
589
00:26:26,217 --> 00:26:28,529
that Werner Herzog had
with Klaus Kinski.
590
00:26:28,553 --> 00:26:31,132
Herzog and Kinski were at each
other's throats all the time.
591
00:26:31,156 --> 00:26:33,768
They fought constantly.
They pulled guns on each other.
592
00:26:33,792 --> 00:26:35,303
They threatened
to kill each other,
593
00:26:35,327 --> 00:26:36,804
walk off movies, et cetera.
594
00:26:36,828 --> 00:26:41,976
But they made five films
together between 1972 and '87.
595
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,245
And they were good, good movies.
596
00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:46,781
Lawrence and Pace
made The Last Great Actor,
597
00:26:46,805 --> 00:26:48,549
which some people consider
598
00:26:48,573 --> 00:26:51,543
to be the greatest film
ever made.
599
00:26:51,843 --> 00:26:54,889
And often compared
to Citizen Kane.
600
00:26:54,913 --> 00:26:58,125
But the truth is,
without Lawrence's star power,
601
00:26:58,149 --> 00:27:00,127
there wouldn't have been a film.
602
00:27:00,151 --> 00:27:03,888
And without that film,
there would be no Pace.
603
00:27:04,289 --> 00:27:07,068
Reality is that movie wouldn't
have been made without him.
604
00:27:07,092 --> 00:27:08,703
I was nobody.
605
00:27:08,727 --> 00:27:11,296
And he took a massive risk
by signing on to it.
606
00:27:11,596 --> 00:27:14,108
And despite everything that's
happened between us since,
607
00:27:14,132 --> 00:27:16,277
I will always be grateful
to him for that.
608
00:27:16,301 --> 00:27:19,747
[Ivan] When Lawrence signed on
to do The Last Great Actor,
609
00:27:19,771 --> 00:27:21,115
I was shocked.
610
00:27:21,139 --> 00:27:26,120
Um, he had not done a movie
that small in a long time.
611
00:27:26,144 --> 00:27:28,456
Lawrence is great
in every movie he does.
612
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,851
But in this one, he delivered
the performance of a lifetime.
613
00:27:33,151 --> 00:27:36,864
When I was a kid, you know,
I had this little bunk bed.
614
00:27:36,888 --> 00:27:40,392
And my, uh, my brother
would sleep underneath me.
615
00:27:42,193 --> 00:27:44,238
So I climbed down one night.
I couldn't sleep.
616
00:27:44,262 --> 00:27:45,873
I was thinking
about scary stuff, you know?
617
00:27:45,897 --> 00:27:51,178
And, uh, there's this little
sculpture of a rattlesnake.
618
00:27:51,202 --> 00:27:53,748
It was my dad's favorite,
favorite sculpture.
619
00:27:53,772 --> 00:27:56,441
He got it in Arizona.
I don't know.
620
00:27:56,908 --> 00:27:58,753
I wanted to see it.
I wanted to play with it.
621
00:27:58,777 --> 00:28:01,288
So I grabbed it down
and I looked at it.
622
00:28:01,312 --> 00:28:04,625
And all of a sudden,
it slipped from my hands
623
00:28:04,649 --> 00:28:07,152
and just shattered
into a million pieces.
624
00:28:09,421 --> 00:28:11,322
All of a sudden, my...
625
00:28:11,623 --> 00:28:13,267
My dad flings open the door
626
00:28:13,291 --> 00:28:16,704
and he makes his face
just like this.
627
00:28:16,728 --> 00:28:18,773
And his hands got so big!
628
00:28:18,797 --> 00:28:21,876
And then he started wailing
on me and my brother!
629
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:24,445
Just beating
the living piss out of us!
630
00:28:24,469 --> 00:28:26,947
And my brother's
in the corner of the bed just,
631
00:28:26,971 --> 00:28:30,942
"Ah! Dad! No, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no!
632
00:28:32,010 --> 00:28:33,945
No!"
633
00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:37,382
And then my dad just shuts
the door and he leaves!
634
00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:40,961
And there's my brother, Luke,
635
00:28:40,985 --> 00:28:45,299
and he's in the corner,
and he's just like, "Why?"
636
00:28:45,323 --> 00:28:47,468
"Why would he do that?
637
00:28:47,492 --> 00:28:50,171
"Why would he come in
in the middle of the night
638
00:28:50,195 --> 00:28:52,807
and just beat the shit
out of us?"
639
00:28:52,831 --> 00:28:55,543
And I knew why,
because I was fucking around,
640
00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:57,268
but he never knew.
641
00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:01,706
I never told him.
642
00:29:02,006 --> 00:29:04,719
[heavy breathing]
Even to this day,
643
00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:06,244
I've never told him.
644
00:29:09,114 --> 00:29:10,858
Some people say
that is the greatest scene
645
00:29:10,882 --> 00:29:12,326
in film history.
646
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:14,085
Their words, not mine.
647
00:29:14,552 --> 00:29:17,598
I have written the greatest
scene in film history.
648
00:29:17,622 --> 00:29:19,257
But it's not that one.
649
00:29:20,492 --> 00:29:21,769
After The Last Great Actor,
650
00:29:21,793 --> 00:29:24,004
everyone thought
that Lawrence and Pace
651
00:29:24,028 --> 00:29:27,374
were, you know, the next
Scorsese and De Niro.
652
00:29:27,398 --> 00:29:29,543
They made the film
for $1 million
653
00:29:29,567 --> 00:29:33,013
and it grossed $120 million.
654
00:29:33,037 --> 00:29:36,250
Despite the success of the film,
both men swore
655
00:29:36,274 --> 00:29:38,652
that they would never
work together again.
656
00:29:38,676 --> 00:29:41,922
In fact, no one who has
ever worked with Lawrence
657
00:29:41,946 --> 00:29:44,225
will work with him
a second time.
658
00:29:44,249 --> 00:29:46,727
And it's not
because people hate him.
659
00:29:46,751 --> 00:29:49,196
It's because they are scared
of him.
660
00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:52,333
Lawrence's talent
is his biggest enemy.
661
00:29:52,357 --> 00:29:53,725
[sobbing]
662
00:29:53,992 --> 00:29:56,170
I mean, about what anybody else
knows about him,
663
00:29:56,194 --> 00:29:59,874
he's probably the most talented
actor that's ever existed.
664
00:29:59,898 --> 00:30:02,009
This guy's dedication
to his craft
665
00:30:02,033 --> 00:30:04,411
and to the arts
is second to none.
666
00:30:04,435 --> 00:30:06,447
Lawrence is dedicated
to performance.
667
00:30:06,471 --> 00:30:08,716
Man, if there's one guy
I've always been looking up to,
668
00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:10,050
it's him.
669
00:30:10,074 --> 00:30:13,354
I discovered Lawrence
when he was nine years old.
670
00:30:13,378 --> 00:30:15,589
Sometimes, I wish
I really didn't
671
00:30:15,613 --> 00:30:18,726
because he never had a chance
to live a normal life.
672
00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:20,427
And I feel guilty
because of that.
673
00:30:20,451 --> 00:30:23,597
Yeah, I think he had
unrealistic expectations
674
00:30:23,621 --> 00:30:25,399
put on him from an early age.
675
00:30:25,423 --> 00:30:28,202
And although he fulfilled them
with talent,
676
00:30:28,226 --> 00:30:31,563
in his own body,
he never felt like himself.
677
00:30:32,063 --> 00:30:34,241
[Christopher] Why is Lawrence
a great actor?
678
00:30:34,265 --> 00:30:37,011
Uh, is it
because he wins many awards?
679
00:30:37,035 --> 00:30:39,413
Is it because he commits himself
680
00:30:39,437 --> 00:30:42,016
to the roles to the detriment
of himself
681
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,785
and to everyone around him?
No, no, no, no.
682
00:30:44,809 --> 00:30:46,687
The hardest thing
for any actor to do
683
00:30:46,711 --> 00:30:48,222
is to lose themselves,
684
00:30:48,246 --> 00:30:51,158
to give up their own humanity
in place of the characters.
685
00:30:51,182 --> 00:30:54,995
Lawrence is great because he
has no self to lose.
686
00:30:55,019 --> 00:30:57,464
Lawrence is not a human being.
687
00:30:57,488 --> 00:30:58,766
He is an empty shell.
688
00:30:58,790 --> 00:31:00,734
Regardless of what you see
on screen,
689
00:31:00,758 --> 00:31:03,237
he is simply not there.
690
00:31:03,261 --> 00:31:07,208
Which is why he's able to do
anything once the camera rolls.
691
00:31:07,232 --> 00:31:11,345
The second you call cut,
the man is a disaster.
692
00:31:11,369 --> 00:31:13,981
[Thomas] Do you have any
idea who the killer might be?
693
00:31:14,005 --> 00:31:19,153
Oh. If I had to pick a guy,
694
00:31:19,177 --> 00:31:21,222
I think it's Lawrence.
695
00:31:21,246 --> 00:31:23,424
Lawrence is one
of these guys that,
696
00:31:23,448 --> 00:31:24,992
I don't know what they call 'em,
697
00:31:25,016 --> 00:31:27,761
but he'd get into a role
and he'd stay in that role
698
00:31:27,785 --> 00:31:29,163
through the whole movie.
699
00:31:29,187 --> 00:31:30,965
I mean, whether he was
in our car
700
00:31:30,989 --> 00:31:32,766
or ordering a hamburger
at McDonald's,
701
00:31:32,790 --> 00:31:34,134
he'd stay in that role.
702
00:31:34,158 --> 00:31:36,904
I mean, it's a little weird
when he does that.
703
00:31:36,928 --> 00:31:38,639
So, you know, when he goes home
704
00:31:38,663 --> 00:31:41,375
after playing Neil Armstrong,
I think he's thinking
705
00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:43,277
he's home, walking on the moon.
706
00:31:43,301 --> 00:31:46,905
And when he goes home
as a crazed murderer,
707
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:50,008
he might be a crazed murderer.
708
00:31:50,975 --> 00:31:52,620
[Harry] Working with
Lawrence Hughes
709
00:31:52,644 --> 00:31:55,022
on Justice Explosion
was one of the most
710
00:31:55,046 --> 00:31:57,892
rewarding experiences
of my entire career.
711
00:31:57,916 --> 00:31:59,526
I often tell people,
712
00:31:59,550 --> 00:32:02,921
Lawrence is, is like
a wild Mustang.
713
00:32:03,221 --> 00:32:05,032
The good part of that is one
714
00:32:05,056 --> 00:32:08,135
of the most beautiful sights
you'll ever see.
715
00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:11,863
The bad side,
you try to ride him,
716
00:32:12,130 --> 00:32:13,340
you'll get bucked
from the saddle
717
00:32:13,364 --> 00:32:15,175
and he'll trample you to death.
718
00:32:15,199 --> 00:32:17,936
No one dedicates themselves
more than Lawrence.
719
00:32:18,202 --> 00:32:20,547
On Justice Explosion,
he started to lose it.
720
00:32:20,571 --> 00:32:22,316
We got calls
from the cast and crew
721
00:32:22,340 --> 00:32:25,886
saying he scared someone
or made someone cry every day.
722
00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:28,522
This is the reason I think
people believe that Lawrence
723
00:32:28,546 --> 00:32:29,890
is The Hollywood Killer.
724
00:32:29,914 --> 00:32:33,861
I mean, he had been
in over 30 films
725
00:32:33,885 --> 00:32:36,130
where he'd had to do
serious stunts.
726
00:32:36,154 --> 00:32:37,998
I mean, he has a background
in wrestling,
727
00:32:38,022 --> 00:32:40,301
boxing, jujitsu, wire work.
728
00:32:40,325 --> 00:32:44,405
It's really impressive,
his, like, physical ability.
729
00:32:44,429 --> 00:32:45,596
And...
730
00:32:47,565 --> 00:32:50,411
he might have been
the only one who was capable
731
00:32:50,435 --> 00:32:53,080
of committing
some of these crimes.
732
00:32:53,104 --> 00:32:55,249
[Samuel] He's certainly got
what it takes.
733
00:32:55,273 --> 00:32:57,851
Close, intimate relationship.
734
00:32:57,875 --> 00:33:00,945
Uh, disappeared
after the murder.
735
00:33:01,179 --> 00:33:04,282
Plays a lot
of unhinged characters.
736
00:33:04,682 --> 00:33:06,860
Known for not ever
breaking character,
737
00:33:06,884 --> 00:33:08,595
even when the film is long gone.
738
00:33:08,619 --> 00:33:11,298
So he's living
split personality day to day.
739
00:33:11,322 --> 00:33:13,534
And in some ways,
I really admire that.
740
00:33:13,558 --> 00:33:15,602
[Thomas] Aside from
his connection to Pace,
741
00:33:15,626 --> 00:33:19,273
Lawrence was also connected
to Dissident in another way,
742
00:33:19,297 --> 00:33:22,066
through his relationship
with Ava.
743
00:33:22,467 --> 00:33:25,212
Ava and Lawrence were together
on and off for three years.
744
00:33:25,236 --> 00:33:27,181
But during production
of Dissident,
745
00:33:27,205 --> 00:33:29,450
Ava ended things with him
for good.
746
00:33:29,474 --> 00:33:33,378
And this sent Lawrence
into a downward spiral.
747
00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:37,024
Despite a restraining order,
Lawrence kept showing up
748
00:33:37,048 --> 00:33:38,325
anywhere she was,
749
00:33:38,349 --> 00:33:41,161
and even showed up
on the set of Dissident.
750
00:33:41,185 --> 00:33:42,363
-Hi.
-Hi, how you doing?
751
00:33:42,387 --> 00:33:44,264
-Hey... Dustin.
-Lawrence. Nice to meet you.
752
00:33:44,288 --> 00:33:46,000
-How are you?
-Damn good.
753
00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:47,534
-Hi. Hi, how are you?
-Hi.
754
00:33:47,558 --> 00:33:49,603
No, no, let's
try it again, okay?
755
00:33:49,627 --> 00:33:53,073
Obviously, this did not go
over well with Pace.
756
00:33:53,097 --> 00:33:54,308
-[Christopher] Larry Hughes?
-Hey.
757
00:33:54,332 --> 00:33:56,176
My old fucking friend.
How you doing?
758
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,611
-Hey...
-Fucking come onto my set!
759
00:33:57,635 --> 00:33:59,847
You come onto my fucking set!
Yeah?
760
00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:02,916
[Thomas] After this, Lawrence
was banned from the set,
761
00:34:02,940 --> 00:34:05,309
which made him even more crazy.
762
00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:09,289
Me and my dad both begged
Lawrence to stop showing up,
763
00:34:09,313 --> 00:34:12,183
but he just snapped.
764
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:14,628
He would do anything to try
and see her.
765
00:34:14,652 --> 00:34:16,663
Everyone needs to stay put.
Larry's here.
766
00:34:16,687 --> 00:34:17,965
He's going crazy outside,
767
00:34:17,989 --> 00:34:19,299
and I got Ava locked
in the trailer.
768
00:34:19,323 --> 00:34:20,501
So we just need to sort of,
769
00:34:20,525 --> 00:34:23,971
you know, shelter in place
until, um, he's done
770
00:34:23,995 --> 00:34:25,439
with whatever rant
he's going on.
771
00:34:25,463 --> 00:34:28,075
[Ivan] He kept calling me
and trying to figure out
772
00:34:28,099 --> 00:34:29,843
when Ava was on a break
773
00:34:29,867 --> 00:34:33,080
and when she was stepping out
for lunch or something.
774
00:34:33,104 --> 00:34:35,115
I had to stop answering
his calls
775
00:34:35,139 --> 00:34:37,418
'cause he was just...
freaking crazy.
776
00:34:37,442 --> 00:34:40,954
And production had security
guards on the perimeter.
777
00:34:40,978 --> 00:34:43,257
He could not get anywhere near.
778
00:34:43,281 --> 00:34:45,192
-It got crazy.
-He's obsessed.
779
00:34:45,216 --> 00:34:46,627
-No.
-It's not healthy.
780
00:34:46,651 --> 00:34:49,229
-It's absolutely bizarre.
-That's crazy. You know what?
781
00:34:49,253 --> 00:34:51,732
I'm going to keep my eyes open
because that is insane,
782
00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:54,001
and I want you to be comfortable
at all times on this set.
783
00:34:54,025 --> 00:34:55,369
-Thank you. Thank you.
-I'm serious.
784
00:34:55,393 --> 00:34:57,071
We've been knowing each other
for too long.
785
00:34:57,095 --> 00:34:58,472
Thank you. You're sweet.
786
00:34:58,496 --> 00:35:00,541
But if you, um, do you find me,
like, in a vat of oil
787
00:35:00,565 --> 00:35:02,276
or, like, dismembered
in the valley,
788
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:05,712
like, just, you know,
probably him.
789
00:35:05,736 --> 00:35:07,147
[Effy] Ava was over it.
790
00:35:07,171 --> 00:35:08,849
She didn't want to talk
to Lawrence anymore,
791
00:35:08,873 --> 00:35:10,384
and he knew that.
792
00:35:10,408 --> 00:35:13,087
I mean, I remember her
telling me that,
793
00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:15,322
uh, she was terrified of him.
794
00:35:15,346 --> 00:35:17,291
But he kept calling.
795
00:35:17,315 --> 00:35:18,692
Please calm down
and listen to me!
796
00:35:18,716 --> 00:35:20,194
-[Lawrence] I am listening!
-Please.
797
00:35:20,218 --> 00:35:21,428
[Lawrence] You need
to make a choice.
798
00:35:21,452 --> 00:35:23,330
It's either me or the film.
799
00:35:23,354 --> 00:35:25,332
No, I'm always going to choose
the film!
800
00:35:25,356 --> 00:35:27,568
[Lawrence] You'll regret this!
Mark my words!
801
00:35:27,592 --> 00:35:29,870
-You'll regret this!
-Babe...
802
00:35:29,894 --> 00:35:31,772
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
And now what do we do?
803
00:35:31,796 --> 00:35:34,374
We go to the thing, and we block
the number, right?
804
00:35:34,398 --> 00:35:36,410
Give me the finger. There we go.
805
00:35:36,434 --> 00:35:37,845
We hit that. There we go.
806
00:35:37,869 --> 00:35:40,447
-And now where do we have block?
-You have to scroll down.
807
00:35:40,471 --> 00:35:42,449
We scroll down. Okay, okay.
808
00:35:42,473 --> 00:35:44,118
And now we blocked him.
Look at that.
809
00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:45,419
[Ava] [crying]
810
00:35:45,443 --> 00:35:46,887
And now we don't have
to worry about it ever again.
811
00:35:46,911 --> 00:35:48,889
These calls were scary.
812
00:35:48,913 --> 00:35:50,491
I mean, he would call all of us
813
00:35:50,515 --> 00:35:54,294
and just yell over and over to
get Ava to pick up the phone.
814
00:35:54,318 --> 00:35:55,462
And I'll tell you this.
815
00:35:55,486 --> 00:35:57,498
Every call was worse
than the last.
816
00:35:57,522 --> 00:35:59,500
[Lawrence] I'm going
to destroy this film,
817
00:35:59,524 --> 00:36:01,635
and I'm going to destroy you!
Okay?
818
00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:05,305
And if I, if Ava isn't on
a fucking plane in 30 minutes,
819
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:06,607
I'm going to come to that set
820
00:36:06,631 --> 00:36:09,042
and drag her off
by her fucking hair!
821
00:36:09,066 --> 00:36:12,446
There are a few reasons why
this clip is so important.
822
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:16,984
One being that Lawrence says,
"I will destroy this film,"
823
00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:20,787
which is a theory as to why
he murdered the other girls.
824
00:36:20,811 --> 00:36:24,258
The second is because
this was the last call
825
00:36:24,282 --> 00:36:26,827
ever made from Lawrence's phone
826
00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:30,154
and the last time
anyone heard from him.
827
00:36:30,421 --> 00:36:34,192
Ava Bergman was murdered
the following day.
828
00:36:34,458 --> 00:36:37,804
[muffled screaming]
829
00:36:37,828 --> 00:36:42,910
Help... [choking] Help me!
830
00:36:42,934 --> 00:36:43,944
[grunts]
831
00:36:43,968 --> 00:36:47,414
Help! [screams] No! Please!
832
00:36:47,438 --> 00:36:50,517
Please! Help me! No!
833
00:36:50,541 --> 00:36:56,323
[choking] [gasping]
[sustained exhale]
834
00:36:56,347 --> 00:37:03,321
[eerie music]
835
00:37:08,693 --> 00:37:10,828
[Demy] That's the problem
these days.
836
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:15,433
We want to show everything
and be grisly.
837
00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:17,868
Detail.
838
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:21,982
The idea that this, this fucker
839
00:37:22,006 --> 00:37:26,410
was holding a phone
while he's attempting to...
840
00:37:30,815 --> 00:37:32,383
Hm.
841
00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:34,485
This is the world we live in.
842
00:37:35,486 --> 00:37:37,655
It's really fucking dark.
843
00:37:38,055 --> 00:37:41,235
[Thomas] The initial
investigation by the LAPD
844
00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:43,637
uncovered no physical evidence.
845
00:37:43,661 --> 00:37:47,274
But none of that mattered,
because everyone was convinced
846
00:37:47,298 --> 00:37:48,875
it was Lawrence Hughes.
847
00:37:48,899 --> 00:37:51,545
And even with
an international search,
848
00:37:51,569 --> 00:37:53,380
no one could find him.
849
00:37:53,404 --> 00:37:56,407
His whereabouts remain unknown.
850
00:37:56,674 --> 00:37:59,720
Despite this tragedy,
shooting for Dissident
851
00:37:59,744 --> 00:38:03,123
resumed 24 hours later
with a new actress.
852
00:38:03,147 --> 00:38:06,326
After losing a lead actress
in such a horrible way,
853
00:38:06,350 --> 00:38:09,296
most producers would cut
their losses
854
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,265
and shut down the film.
855
00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:13,500
Tedd is not most producers.
856
00:38:13,524 --> 00:38:15,869
Now let's meet
our third suspect,
857
00:38:15,893 --> 00:38:18,129
Tedd Mankiewicz.
858
00:38:18,562 --> 00:38:20,907
Like, Jesus Christ,
can I get a fluffer here?
859
00:38:20,931 --> 00:38:23,510
I'm spritzin' everywhere.
It's actually not even cold.
860
00:38:23,534 --> 00:38:26,246
I just, like, have to wait
on my nuts.
861
00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:27,881
Got fucking drool
coming out of my mouth.
862
00:38:27,905 --> 00:38:31,285
I got ball sweat.
Feel like I've lost 10 pounds.
863
00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:32,719
You're like,
"Did you fuck Barb?"
864
00:38:32,743 --> 00:38:34,921
And I go,
"Oh, I fucked her to death,
865
00:38:34,945 --> 00:38:36,847
but I didn't kill her."
866
00:38:37,148 --> 00:38:39,760
[Thomas] First, let's start
by understanding who Tedd is.
867
00:38:39,784 --> 00:38:41,328
Not only is he one of the most
868
00:38:41,352 --> 00:38:43,163
powerful people in Hollywood,
869
00:38:43,187 --> 00:38:46,500
he represented all three of
the women that were murdered.
870
00:38:46,524 --> 00:38:49,936
The one who survived,
two of the suspects,
871
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,574
was a suspect himself,
and was having an affair
872
00:38:54,598 --> 00:38:57,678
with Barbera Ball at the time
of her death,
873
00:38:57,702 --> 00:39:01,481
something that his wife
was very upset about.
874
00:39:01,505 --> 00:39:03,583
All roads lead back to Tedd,
okay?
875
00:39:03,607 --> 00:39:06,720
He got John into producing.
He got Lawrence into acting.
876
00:39:06,744 --> 00:39:10,490
Produced Pace's first film.
Made Melvin a movie star.
877
00:39:10,514 --> 00:39:11,992
Shared a lover with Dustin.
878
00:39:12,016 --> 00:39:15,319
And he's thanked more than God
at the Oscars.
879
00:39:15,653 --> 00:39:17,922
I've got a soft spot for Tedd.
880
00:39:18,255 --> 00:39:20,100
He's the best manager
of all time.
881
00:39:20,124 --> 00:39:22,035
But I understand that Tedd
has made some enemies
882
00:39:22,059 --> 00:39:23,070
in this business.
883
00:39:23,094 --> 00:39:24,604
A lot of people hate him,
884
00:39:24,628 --> 00:39:27,874
and Pace may be at the top
of that list.
885
00:39:27,898 --> 00:39:33,513
The devil never convinced
the world that he did not exist.
886
00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:35,982
No. The devil exists.
887
00:39:36,006 --> 00:39:38,118
Tedd Mankiewicz exists.
888
00:39:38,142 --> 00:39:39,753
The man is real.
889
00:39:39,777 --> 00:39:43,256
And he's out there,
and you all sit back and go,
890
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,325
"I don't know. I don't know.
891
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:48,128
Is evil real? Is darkness real?"
892
00:39:48,152 --> 00:39:50,654
Look in the fucking mirror.
893
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:54,634
I know that a lot of people
talk shit about Tedd.
894
00:39:54,658 --> 00:39:56,169
-Mm-hmm.
-I totally get that.
895
00:39:56,193 --> 00:40:01,875
But for me, it's like, I know
that he would legit kill for me.
896
00:40:01,899 --> 00:40:04,144
I've never killed anyone
for a client.
897
00:40:04,168 --> 00:40:07,905
But I would, and that's why
they fucking signed with me.
898
00:40:08,305 --> 00:40:10,016
During my investigation
into Tedd,
899
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:15,312
I found that he would normally
do one set visit on his movies.
900
00:40:15,646 --> 00:40:20,260
On Dissident, he visited set
four times a week.
901
00:40:20,284 --> 00:40:21,795
Oh, oh, ladies and gentlemen,
902
00:40:21,819 --> 00:40:23,663
can we get a round
of applause here?
903
00:40:23,687 --> 00:40:24,865
You understand what's happening?
904
00:40:24,889 --> 00:40:26,733
Yeah, the Antichrist
has returned.
905
00:40:26,757 --> 00:40:28,301
All right?
So that means we rejoice.
906
00:40:28,325 --> 00:40:29,836
What do producers do?
907
00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:33,373
They are supposed
to put together the elements
908
00:40:33,397 --> 00:40:35,499
that lead you
to making the film.
909
00:40:36,567 --> 00:40:38,278
Why would that entitle them
910
00:40:38,302 --> 00:40:40,738
to be on the set
once it's begun?
911
00:40:42,072 --> 00:40:44,317
Their job is prologue.
912
00:40:44,341 --> 00:40:45,886
They are the preamble.
913
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:49,423
They are the Greek chorus
before the play begins.
914
00:40:49,447 --> 00:40:52,716
Once the story starts, fuck off.
915
00:40:53,951 --> 00:40:57,188
The moment Tedd Mankiewicz
arrives on set,
916
00:40:58,189 --> 00:41:00,367
whole energy shifts.
917
00:41:00,391 --> 00:41:02,803
[Tedd] The luckiest day of
your life is when you met me.
918
00:41:02,827 --> 00:41:04,004
[Christopher] What are you
talking about?
919
00:41:04,028 --> 00:41:05,572
[Tedd] Everyone says
you suck now,
920
00:41:05,596 --> 00:41:07,307
and this movie will never be
921
00:41:07,331 --> 00:41:08,608
as good as The Last Great Actor.
922
00:41:08,632 --> 00:41:09,709
[Christopher] This movie
will never be
923
00:41:09,733 --> 00:41:11,178
as good as The Last Great Actor?
924
00:41:11,202 --> 00:41:12,412
[Tedd] Yeah, totally.
925
00:41:12,436 --> 00:41:13,680
[Christopher] You think maybe
that's because you're standing
926
00:41:13,704 --> 00:41:14,881
in the middle
of my fucking shot?
927
00:41:14,905 --> 00:41:16,216
[Martin] And if that
wasn't bad enough,
928
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,318
the motherfucker would walk in
and show you
929
00:41:18,342 --> 00:41:20,044
how to do your scene.
930
00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:23,890
This is how you cock a gun.
931
00:41:23,914 --> 00:41:26,159
There's two things you need
to be able to do
932
00:41:26,183 --> 00:41:27,461
to be a movie star.
933
00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:28,953
Kiss the girl...
934
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:32,098
and fire a gun.
935
00:41:32,122 --> 00:41:35,235
-And you can't do either.
-Just don't overthink it.
936
00:41:35,259 --> 00:41:37,504
Acting is so fucking easy.
937
00:41:37,528 --> 00:41:38,805
Most of the time, these people
938
00:41:38,829 --> 00:41:41,141
just get so caught up
in their own heads.
939
00:41:41,165 --> 00:41:42,275
They're lazy.
940
00:41:42,299 --> 00:41:45,078
Most of them don't have talent
to begin with.
941
00:41:45,102 --> 00:41:47,147
So I show up
and I show them what to do.
942
00:41:47,171 --> 00:41:50,450
I don't know why so many people
get offended by this.
943
00:41:50,474 --> 00:41:52,185
Do you think Reese Witherspoon
blinks?
944
00:41:52,209 --> 00:41:53,054
No.
945
00:41:53,078 --> 00:41:54,688
Do you think
Nicole Kidman blinks?
946
00:41:54,712 --> 00:41:56,914
-No.
-Then why would you blink?
947
00:41:57,481 --> 00:41:58,725
I don't know.
948
00:41:58,749 --> 00:42:00,393
Give me more Meryl Streep.
949
00:42:00,417 --> 00:42:01,828
Okay. [heavy breathing]
950
00:42:01,852 --> 00:42:04,088
Look at the camera
and don't blink.
951
00:42:05,789 --> 00:42:07,167
Tedd was like a steamroller.
952
00:42:07,191 --> 00:42:09,960
He'd come in there
and intimidate everybody.
953
00:42:10,661 --> 00:42:16,309
[grunts] [groans painfully]
954
00:42:16,333 --> 00:42:19,779
[Smitty] Yeah, every so often,
I would go up to Ivan and say,
955
00:42:19,803 --> 00:42:22,015
"You sure you want me
to keep this camera rolling?"
956
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,518
I mean,
some of the circumstances
957
00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:26,577
were a little sketchy.
958
00:42:26,877 --> 00:42:28,889
Tedd Mankiewicz
was a fucking animal.
959
00:42:28,913 --> 00:42:30,657
Did he know what he was doing?
Sure.
960
00:42:30,681 --> 00:42:32,559
Yes, okay.
Was he very good at his job?
961
00:42:32,583 --> 00:42:36,096
Also, yes.
The man was a fucking animal.
962
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,965
To understand why Tedd
is a suspect,
963
00:42:38,989 --> 00:42:41,701
we have to talk
about Barbera Ball,
964
00:42:41,725 --> 00:42:43,637
the second murder victim,
965
00:42:43,661 --> 00:42:46,339
and how she ended up
in Dissident.
966
00:42:46,363 --> 00:42:50,510
Barbera made a name for herself
when she was cast in Breathe
967
00:42:50,534 --> 00:42:52,746
alongside Lawrence Hughes.
968
00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:57,417
[classic jazz music playing]
969
00:42:57,441 --> 00:42:59,043
[speaking French]
970
00:43:00,144 --> 00:43:03,123
I believe I went to school
with that chap.
971
00:43:03,147 --> 00:43:06,617
[speaking French]
972
00:43:10,321 --> 00:43:12,156
Should I go approach him?
973
00:43:12,957 --> 00:43:14,134
Oui.
974
00:43:14,158 --> 00:43:16,036
Your French isn't
that good anymore.
975
00:43:16,060 --> 00:43:20,040
-I think you need some practice.
-Good enough.
976
00:43:20,064 --> 00:43:21,608
Whatever you say.
977
00:43:21,632 --> 00:43:23,133
On y va.
978
00:43:25,069 --> 00:43:27,871
Every actress in the world
wanted that role.
979
00:43:28,238 --> 00:43:31,075
But my dad made sure
that Barbera got it.
980
00:43:31,442 --> 00:43:35,322
After the success of Breathe,
Tedd cast Barbera in Dissident
981
00:43:35,346 --> 00:43:37,891
without ever talking to Pace
about it.
982
00:43:37,915 --> 00:43:39,492
Pace is quoted as saying
983
00:43:39,516 --> 00:43:42,929
he hated Barbera Ball
more than his own mother,
984
00:43:42,953 --> 00:43:45,155
who abandoned him as a child.
985
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:48,101
[indistinct]
986
00:43:48,125 --> 00:43:50,503
Barbera, am I looking
at the monitor?
987
00:43:50,527 --> 00:43:51,771
I can't, I can't tell.
988
00:43:51,795 --> 00:43:53,139
There's four cameras
on this fucking scene.
989
00:43:53,163 --> 00:43:55,041
One of them can probably see it.
I can't see it.
990
00:43:55,065 --> 00:43:56,843
I'm not watching the camera.
I'm watching you.
991
00:43:56,867 --> 00:43:58,511
I'm watching your reaction.
You know what I see?
992
00:43:58,535 --> 00:43:59,879
-What?
-I see fear.
993
00:43:59,903 --> 00:44:00,914
Why do I see fear?
994
00:44:00,938 --> 00:44:02,382
This gun has got no bullets
in it.
995
00:44:02,406 --> 00:44:03,650
It's not even a real gun.
996
00:44:03,674 --> 00:44:04,818
I mean, let me
show you something, Barbera.
997
00:44:04,842 --> 00:44:06,519
You see this? All right?
This is my fucking gun.
998
00:44:06,543 --> 00:44:09,756
This shit's loaded.
Am I afraid? No!
999
00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:13,484
[Thomas] You wanted Barbera
taken out of the film.
1000
00:44:13,784 --> 00:44:14,894
-Why?
-Absolutely.
1001
00:44:14,918 --> 00:44:17,230
Uh, because she's not very good.
1002
00:44:17,254 --> 00:44:20,934
So, uh, once she was forced
upon me,
1003
00:44:20,958 --> 00:44:22,769
I did what anyone does
1004
00:44:22,793 --> 00:44:25,071
when they are put
in a compromising situation
1005
00:44:25,095 --> 00:44:26,439
that they did not ask to be in.
1006
00:44:26,463 --> 00:44:29,476
They try to get out.
And that's what I did.
1007
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:31,811
-How much does she want this?
-A lot more than this film.
1008
00:44:31,835 --> 00:44:33,346
Okay, so then why is she here?
1009
00:44:33,370 --> 00:44:36,316
Wouldn't you rather spend it
on the film rather than her?
1010
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:37,284
Think about it.
1011
00:44:37,308 --> 00:44:38,685
Oh, you hadn't even thought
about that.
1012
00:44:38,709 --> 00:44:40,286
We could get someone
who was more talented
1013
00:44:40,310 --> 00:44:41,122
and less expensive.
1014
00:44:41,146 --> 00:44:42,689
There isn't somebody
more talented.
1015
00:44:42,713 --> 00:44:44,057
You don't think there's anyone
more talented?
1016
00:44:44,081 --> 00:44:45,525
-No, I don't.
-Oh, my God.
1017
00:44:45,549 --> 00:44:47,694
The myopic... Jesus.
1018
00:44:47,718 --> 00:44:49,596
This is a normal occurrence.
1019
00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:51,765
I had to go to set every day
1020
00:44:51,789 --> 00:44:53,700
to make sure Barbera stayed
in the film.
1021
00:44:53,724 --> 00:44:55,301
Your female lead
is out of frame.
1022
00:44:55,325 --> 00:44:56,469
Yes, I know, I know.
1023
00:44:56,493 --> 00:44:58,038
This is how we're going
to do the movie now, okay?
1024
00:44:58,062 --> 00:44:59,606
[Effy] My dad's going to see
the dailies.
1025
00:44:59,630 --> 00:45:00,940
What do you think
he's gonna say?
1026
00:45:00,964 --> 00:45:02,909
I think he's going to whine
and bitch like a child.
1027
00:45:02,933 --> 00:45:04,744
You're whining and bitching
like a child
1028
00:45:04,768 --> 00:45:06,146
because you can't
have a two-person scene.
1029
00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:07,414
Barbera's out of the movie,
Effy.
1030
00:45:07,438 --> 00:45:08,615
That's not how it works.
1031
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:12,585
[Melvin] Pace needed his North
Star for that character.
1032
00:45:12,609 --> 00:45:14,254
And Barbera wasn't it.
1033
00:45:14,278 --> 00:45:17,791
So he was determined to make
her life a living hell.
1034
00:45:17,815 --> 00:45:19,292
You're killing me.
You're literally killing me.
1035
00:45:19,316 --> 00:45:20,827
-Yes. I'm going to kill you.
-Oh, yeah.
1036
00:45:20,851 --> 00:45:22,295
I feel like you're going
to kill me.
1037
00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:23,197
I'm working up to it.
1038
00:45:23,221 --> 00:45:24,631
Every single fucking day I come
to set,
1039
00:45:24,655 --> 00:45:26,099
I don't know what's going
to happen.
1040
00:45:26,123 --> 00:45:28,702
[Dustin] Barbera was living
in a constant state of fear.
1041
00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:30,370
But not from being murdered.
1042
00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:33,606
She was more afraid
of being fired than dying.
1043
00:45:33,630 --> 00:45:35,475
She would tell me all the time
1044
00:45:35,499 --> 00:45:37,210
how she thought
she was going to get fired.
1045
00:45:37,234 --> 00:45:40,013
I mean, I think she said that
to me almost every single day.
1046
00:45:40,037 --> 00:45:42,048
And it got to a certain point
1047
00:45:42,072 --> 00:45:43,850
where I thought it was going
to happen too.
1048
00:45:43,874 --> 00:45:46,886
I think the fact
that she's this bad
1049
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:48,788
violates the terms
of the contract.
1050
00:45:48,812 --> 00:45:50,356
And I think we can
get rid of her
1051
00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:52,792
without actually triggering
any type of lawsuit.
1052
00:45:52,816 --> 00:45:54,160
She's the star
of the fucking movie.
1053
00:45:54,184 --> 00:45:55,762
We've been shooting
for three months.
1054
00:45:55,786 --> 00:45:56,796
But not if we fire her.
1055
00:45:56,820 --> 00:45:58,164
She's not coming
out of the movie.
1056
00:45:58,188 --> 00:46:00,166
Pace was never a fan of Barbera.
1057
00:46:00,190 --> 00:46:03,870
And he asked me multiple times
if we could replace her.
1058
00:46:03,894 --> 00:46:05,505
I need Barbera gone.
1059
00:46:05,529 --> 00:46:08,308
Your father is asking me
to sculpt with razor wire.
1060
00:46:08,332 --> 00:46:10,877
I have always respected you,
okay?
1061
00:46:10,901 --> 00:46:14,114
I've always respected
your artistic vision.
1062
00:46:14,138 --> 00:46:17,150
And I just, I need you
to let this one go
1063
00:46:17,174 --> 00:46:21,054
because my dad is never going
to fire Barbera.
1064
00:46:21,078 --> 00:46:22,255
-That's it.
-Okay, okay.
1065
00:46:22,279 --> 00:46:23,990
Do you think, do you think
this is the first time
1066
00:46:24,014 --> 00:46:25,358
I've been told
I can't do something
1067
00:46:25,382 --> 00:46:27,427
-or I have to let something go?
-I'm letting you know.
1068
00:46:27,451 --> 00:46:29,162
I am a screenwriter, okay?
1069
00:46:29,186 --> 00:46:32,098
I create worlds
and I fucking destroy them.
1070
00:46:32,122 --> 00:46:34,167
And if you make me
destroy this world,
1071
00:46:34,191 --> 00:46:36,069
I will do it. You understand?
1072
00:46:36,093 --> 00:46:37,704
Then you're not going
to have a movie, Pace.
1073
00:46:37,728 --> 00:46:39,005
I don't give a fuck
about the movie.
1074
00:46:39,029 --> 00:46:40,907
-I do.
-I don't care what you think.
1075
00:46:40,931 --> 00:46:42,609
I care about making art.
1076
00:46:42,633 --> 00:46:46,279
And if she is in this film,
it doesn't exist anymore.
1077
00:46:46,303 --> 00:46:48,782
There is no story,
there is no beauty,
1078
00:46:48,806 --> 00:46:49,983
there is no art.
1079
00:46:50,007 --> 00:46:51,718
So I may as well burn
the fucking thing down.
1080
00:46:51,742 --> 00:46:53,987
-You understand?
-Then go ahead.
1081
00:46:54,011 --> 00:46:55,388
-Burn the thing down.
-Great.
1082
00:46:55,412 --> 00:46:57,423
Okay.
Remember that you said that!
1083
00:46:57,447 --> 00:46:59,559
And then don't come crying
to me when it's over.
1084
00:46:59,583 --> 00:47:00,918
Remember.
1085
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:04,697
[Effy] Pace threatened Barbera
all the time.
1086
00:47:04,721 --> 00:47:08,067
And when it was decided that she
was staying in the film,
1087
00:47:08,091 --> 00:47:09,836
he couldn't handle it.
1088
00:47:09,860 --> 00:47:10,937
[Tedd] Hey, what's up?
1089
00:47:10,961 --> 00:47:12,505
Um, I'm sat here
with Pace right now.
1090
00:47:12,529 --> 00:47:15,742
He doesn't believe, uh, anything
that I'm saying right now.
1091
00:47:15,766 --> 00:47:17,310
So do you mind refreshing
his mind
1092
00:47:17,334 --> 00:47:19,045
and telling him
what you told me?
1093
00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:20,146
[Tedd] Hey, Pace.
1094
00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:21,614
I just got off the phone
with Mocker.
1095
00:47:21,638 --> 00:47:24,050
And Barbera's staying
in the fucking film.
1096
00:47:24,074 --> 00:47:26,844
So do whatever you want
with that information.
1097
00:47:27,711 --> 00:47:30,047
Okay. Uh, Barbie.
1098
00:47:30,347 --> 00:47:32,525
-Uh, I gotta apologize to you.
-Yeah?
1099
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:34,227
-Okay?
-Is this sincere?
1100
00:47:34,251 --> 00:47:37,163
Yes. That was the easy way
for you to leave this film.
1101
00:47:37,187 --> 00:47:39,265
And now we do it the hard way.
All right?
1102
00:47:39,289 --> 00:47:42,101
-Good luck.
-Thanks. Appreciate it.
1103
00:47:42,125 --> 00:47:44,394
I always adored Barbera.
1104
00:47:44,695 --> 00:47:46,840
She had such a hard time on set.
1105
00:47:46,864 --> 00:47:49,242
She didn't deserve
how she was treated.
1106
00:47:49,266 --> 00:47:51,311
I don't know
who to trust anymore.
1107
00:47:51,335 --> 00:47:54,605
I don't know who are my friends.
Everyone's fucking mean.
1108
00:47:55,606 --> 00:47:57,884
Well, you know you got me.
1109
00:47:57,908 --> 00:48:00,954
I'm lucky I do.
You and your dad.
1110
00:48:00,978 --> 00:48:03,923
Initially, there was a lot
of confusion as to why.
1111
00:48:03,947 --> 00:48:06,884
Tedd was fighting so hard
to keep her in the film.
1112
00:48:07,184 --> 00:48:11,164
There's a very simple reason
Tedd refused to replace her.
1113
00:48:11,188 --> 00:48:13,633
Because they were having
an affair.
1114
00:48:13,657 --> 00:48:15,835
They managed to keep
their relationship quiet
1115
00:48:15,859 --> 00:48:16,870
for over a year.
1116
00:48:16,894 --> 00:48:18,404
But once Barbera was on set,
1117
00:48:18,428 --> 00:48:21,341
Tedd could no longer keep
the relationship secret.
1118
00:48:21,365 --> 00:48:24,277
His jealousy and paranoia
drove him
1119
00:48:24,301 --> 00:48:27,914
to make sure everyone knew
she was his.
1120
00:48:27,938 --> 00:48:30,316
And what made him so paranoid
1121
00:48:30,340 --> 00:48:33,953
was Barbera's cast mate
and former lover,
1122
00:48:33,977 --> 00:48:36,380
Dustin Scott.
1123
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,261
The story of their romance
is shrouded with intrigue.
1124
00:48:41,285 --> 00:48:44,464
I mean, Tedd and Barbera
were having an affair.
1125
00:48:44,488 --> 00:48:47,533
Dustin and Barbera were having
an affair.
1126
00:48:47,557 --> 00:48:51,738
It was like the inception
of affairs.
1127
00:48:51,762 --> 00:48:54,040
So Dustin was in love
with Barbera
1128
00:48:54,064 --> 00:48:56,209
and Barbera was in love
with Tedd.
1129
00:48:56,233 --> 00:48:58,978
And it was disaster
for all of us.
1130
00:48:59,002 --> 00:49:01,881
Are you having a relationship
with Barbera?
1131
00:49:01,905 --> 00:49:03,116
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
1132
00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:04,484
And you're aware that she
is currently having
1133
00:49:04,508 --> 00:49:06,386
a relationship
with Tedd Mankiewicz?
1134
00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:07,254
Yeah.
1135
00:49:07,278 --> 00:49:08,855
And you thought,
in your infinite wisdom,
1136
00:49:08,879 --> 00:49:11,148
that this was a good idea
for you to do?
1137
00:49:12,249 --> 00:49:14,193
She was my girlfriend first,
and...
1138
00:49:14,217 --> 00:49:15,728
Okay. With the playground rules.
1139
00:49:15,752 --> 00:49:16,996
Brilliant.
1140
00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:18,464
[Thomas] Can you talk to me
a little bit about
1141
00:49:18,488 --> 00:49:20,223
Dustin and Barbera's
love affair?
1142
00:49:20,824 --> 00:49:22,835
Mm, yeah, um,
1143
00:49:22,859 --> 00:49:25,738
I know they were
childhood sweethearts
1144
00:49:25,762 --> 00:49:27,440
and then, uh, had some sort
1145
00:49:27,464 --> 00:49:30,376
of large, uh, profound
relationship,
1146
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,845
I guess, at least for Dustin.
1147
00:49:32,869 --> 00:49:35,315
Uh, and then
it started up again.
1148
00:49:35,339 --> 00:49:37,417
Basically, the moment
she arrived on the set,
1149
00:49:37,441 --> 00:49:39,686
which obviously drove
Tedd insane.
1150
00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:42,689
He is a man that cannot
comprehend things
1151
00:49:42,713 --> 00:49:44,223
he cannot control.
1152
00:49:44,247 --> 00:49:47,293
Dustin, I want you to kiss her
like you know he's watching.
1153
00:49:47,317 --> 00:49:49,062
Because he is.
You know what I'm saying?
1154
00:49:49,086 --> 00:49:50,263
You're trying
to make me jealous.
1155
00:49:50,287 --> 00:49:51,597
No, no, no,
I'm trying to make you
1156
00:49:51,621 --> 00:49:52,865
understand that you're
a lesser man.
1157
00:49:52,889 --> 00:49:54,233
[Barbera] What am I
supposed to do?
1158
00:49:54,257 --> 00:49:56,135
You're supposed to like it more
than you like kissing him.
1159
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:57,236
I'm jealous right now.
1160
00:49:57,260 --> 00:49:58,538
I want you to... You're jealous?
1161
00:49:58,562 --> 00:50:00,139
It's working?
We're having a reaction?
1162
00:50:00,163 --> 00:50:01,541
[Tedd] Don't say that out loud.
1163
00:50:01,565 --> 00:50:03,109
[Christopher] Doesn't it feel
good to have a human emotion?
1164
00:50:03,133 --> 00:50:04,377
You know what I mean?
1165
00:50:04,401 --> 00:50:06,212
I think there's a...
Oh, there it is. Look at that.
1166
00:50:06,236 --> 00:50:09,139
[Dustin] Imagine you met
the love of your life.
1167
00:50:09,873 --> 00:50:12,318
And you had a beautiful romance.
1168
00:50:12,342 --> 00:50:15,788
And then you fucked it all up.
You break up.
1169
00:50:15,812 --> 00:50:17,381
You're miserable.
1170
00:50:17,647 --> 00:50:20,426
And then you're working
on this movie
1171
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:23,529
and you find out
that your ex-lover
1172
00:50:23,553 --> 00:50:26,466
is now gonna be with you
every single day.
1173
00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:29,102
Sex scenes, kissing scenes.
1174
00:50:29,126 --> 00:50:31,471
And you have to watch
the person that you love
1175
00:50:31,495 --> 00:50:33,740
be in love with somebody else.
1176
00:50:33,764 --> 00:50:36,509
And if that wasn't bad enough,
her new boyfriend
1177
00:50:36,533 --> 00:50:40,446
was my boss and would tell me
what to do every day.
1178
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:43,049
You're grabbing her tits like
it's an eighth-grade dance.
1179
00:50:43,073 --> 00:50:44,917
Grab her like this.
1180
00:50:44,941 --> 00:50:47,177
Let me get to your level.
1181
00:50:47,544 --> 00:50:50,347
If you cross me again,
I'll fucking kill you.
1182
00:50:51,081 --> 00:50:52,783
Yeah, that's how it's done.
1183
00:50:54,017 --> 00:50:55,795
Tedd was always fucking
with Dustin.
1184
00:50:55,819 --> 00:50:59,098
He would do these, like,
psychological mind games
1185
00:50:59,122 --> 00:51:00,733
for dominance.
1186
00:51:00,757 --> 00:51:04,027
And it was abusive.
1187
00:51:04,594 --> 00:51:06,706
I just can't believe that you do
that shit in front of me, okay?
1188
00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:08,875
It's so fucking disrespectful.
It makes me sick to my stomach.
1189
00:51:08,899 --> 00:51:11,177
Do you know how many fucking
times I've heard this from you?
1190
00:51:11,201 --> 00:51:12,712
What do you mean?
1191
00:51:12,736 --> 00:51:14,447
Do you know how many times I've
heard you say that shit to him?
1192
00:51:14,471 --> 00:51:17,917
Tedd uses a tactic called
disruption of thought freedom.
1193
00:51:17,941 --> 00:51:19,452
It's a genius military strategy
1194
00:51:19,476 --> 00:51:22,245
to take over someone's brain
and ruin them.
1195
00:51:22,579 --> 00:51:24,657
And that's how he broke Dustin.
1196
00:51:24,681 --> 00:51:27,360
[melancholy piano music]
1197
00:51:27,384 --> 00:51:28,761
I...
1198
00:51:28,785 --> 00:51:33,390
I truly believe you only get
one real love in your life.
1199
00:51:33,723 --> 00:51:37,403
That one person that's
supposed to be there with you,
1200
00:51:37,427 --> 00:51:39,563
going through
the ups and downs, and...
1201
00:51:39,996 --> 00:51:43,533
And it was Barbera.
We were meant for each other.
1202
00:51:44,367 --> 00:51:45,678
And I fucked it up.
1203
00:51:45,702 --> 00:51:49,449
And the really funny thing
is that the one person
1204
00:51:49,473 --> 00:51:51,384
who was trying to help me
fix this relationship
1205
00:51:51,408 --> 00:51:54,744
more than anyone else was Pace.
1206
00:51:56,746 --> 00:51:59,459
Now did Pace really want us
to get back together
1207
00:51:59,483 --> 00:52:01,394
'cause he cared about us?
I don't think so.
1208
00:52:01,418 --> 00:52:04,488
I think he was really just
trying to fuck with Tedd.
1209
00:52:05,856 --> 00:52:09,359
But, nonetheless, he was being
a couples counselor,
1210
00:52:09,626 --> 00:52:11,938
trying anything
and everything he could
1211
00:52:11,962 --> 00:52:14,064
to bring us back together.
1212
00:52:14,464 --> 00:52:18,535
And if Barbera
wouldn't have died,
1213
00:52:19,436 --> 00:52:21,638
I think it would have worked.
1214
00:52:22,005 --> 00:52:25,542
I was doing what I could to...
1215
00:52:26,009 --> 00:52:27,787
to, well, not mend
the relationship,
1216
00:52:27,811 --> 00:52:30,022
I just needed them to be able
to get through a fucking scene.
1217
00:52:30,046 --> 00:52:34,594
And, and in, in that context,
that required her to be able
1218
00:52:34,618 --> 00:52:38,297
to, uh, look him in the eye
without rolling her eyes
1219
00:52:38,321 --> 00:52:40,233
or vomiting or screaming
1220
00:52:40,257 --> 00:52:42,034
or any of the things
that would happen
1221
00:52:42,058 --> 00:52:43,436
when she would see him.
1222
00:52:43,460 --> 00:52:45,571
You are welcome to attach
a humanitarian instinct to me
1223
00:52:45,595 --> 00:52:47,206
whenever you like.
You would be wrong.
1224
00:52:47,230 --> 00:52:49,175
I'm simply doing
what is necessary
1225
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:51,168
to get the film made.
1226
00:52:51,535 --> 00:52:54,280
No! No, no, no! Stop it!
Stop! Right now! No, no.
1227
00:52:54,304 --> 00:52:55,581
No, no, listen. Okay?
1228
00:52:55,605 --> 00:52:57,483
Kissing is elemental.
It's primordial.
1229
00:52:57,507 --> 00:52:59,051
It's deeper than sex, right?
1230
00:52:59,075 --> 00:53:01,454
It's just, it's natural, okay?
1231
00:53:01,478 --> 00:53:03,890
I don't want to see sex.
I want to see love.
1232
00:53:03,914 --> 00:53:05,091
Okay? Show me.
1233
00:53:05,115 --> 00:53:07,484
-I give love.
-Show me. Show me love.
1234
00:53:07,784 --> 00:53:09,195
I heard the rumors.
1235
00:53:09,219 --> 00:53:10,496
I tried to warn Dustin
1236
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,331
about not getting involved
with Barbera,
1237
00:53:12,355 --> 00:53:14,033
but he didn't listen.
1238
00:53:14,057 --> 00:53:16,636
And when my dad found out,
it was actually worse
1239
00:53:16,660 --> 00:53:18,237
than I thought it would be.
1240
00:53:18,261 --> 00:53:20,273
Did you fuck Barb?
1241
00:53:20,297 --> 00:53:22,842
-No! I didn't...
-Dirty Dick Dustin.
1242
00:53:22,866 --> 00:53:24,577
-Dirty Dick Dustin.
-I didn't do anything.
1243
00:53:24,601 --> 00:53:26,245
-[Christopher] Tedd, Tedd, Tedd.
-Pull your dick out.
1244
00:53:26,269 --> 00:53:27,914
I want to see
if it smells like Barb.
1245
00:53:27,938 --> 00:53:29,615
Pull your dick out.
1246
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:31,984
Starting a war
with a guy like Tedd,
1247
00:53:32,008 --> 00:53:34,320
someone with an infinite amount
of resources,
1248
00:53:34,344 --> 00:53:37,523
wouldn't even bode well for me,
let alone Dustin.
1249
00:53:37,547 --> 00:53:39,425
[Tedd] I'll have Dustin
killed right now
1250
00:53:39,449 --> 00:53:40,893
if you just cast Chalamet.
1251
00:53:40,917 --> 00:53:43,362
[Christopher] Uh, could you have
him killed without, uh, Timmy?
1252
00:53:43,386 --> 00:53:44,764
[Tedd] Absolutely not.
1253
00:53:44,788 --> 00:53:46,332
[Christopher] Why does it have
to be Timmy to kill...
1254
00:53:46,356 --> 00:53:47,700
[Tedd] You gotta give,
you gotta give me something.
1255
00:53:47,724 --> 00:53:48,968
[Christopher] No, but can we get
somebody else?
1256
00:53:48,992 --> 00:53:50,503
[Tedd] I'll have nothing for me
to kill Dustin.
1257
00:53:50,527 --> 00:53:52,805
They say all is fair
in love and war,
1258
00:53:52,829 --> 00:53:55,474
so Dustin decided
to tell Tedd's wife
1259
00:53:55,498 --> 00:53:57,376
about the affair with Barbera,
1260
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,447
which caused her to confront him
in front of everyone.
1261
00:54:01,471 --> 00:54:02,848
-Who told you that?
-You've been cheating on me.
1262
00:54:02,872 --> 00:54:04,483
-I've never fucking cheated.
-Tell me the truth.
1263
00:54:04,507 --> 00:54:06,018
-I know you've been doing it!
-I am telling you the truth.
1264
00:54:06,042 --> 00:54:08,354
-You've never... This is...
-I've never cheated on you.
1265
00:54:08,378 --> 00:54:09,488
Yes, you have!
1266
00:54:09,512 --> 00:54:10,823
What the fuck are you
even talking about?
1267
00:54:10,847 --> 00:54:12,792
-You've never told me the truth.
-Who told you that shit?
1268
00:54:12,816 --> 00:54:14,460
I'm not going
to tell you who told me,
1269
00:54:14,484 --> 00:54:16,696
-but I know that it's true.
-Was it Dustin?
1270
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:18,698
[Thomas] After this was filmed,
1271
00:54:18,722 --> 00:54:20,833
Ted's wife threatened
to leave him
1272
00:54:20,857 --> 00:54:22,602
if he didn't end things
with Barbera.
1273
00:54:22,626 --> 00:54:24,971
And with her ability
to prove infidelity,
1274
00:54:24,995 --> 00:54:28,274
he was looking
at a billion-dollar divorce.
1275
00:54:28,298 --> 00:54:30,376
Two days later, Barbera Ball
1276
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,778
was murdered
by The Hollywood Killer.
1277
00:54:32,802 --> 00:54:35,772
[unsettling music]
[heavy breathing]
1278
00:54:41,578 --> 00:54:43,880
[constricted breathing]
1279
00:54:44,414 --> 00:54:46,892
I don't understand
why the man isn't in prison.
1280
00:54:46,916 --> 00:54:49,762
He had the motive.
Obviously, he had the access.
1281
00:54:49,786 --> 00:54:52,098
He was sleeping
with the woman killed.
1282
00:54:52,122 --> 00:54:56,902
To me, to anyone with eyes
or who is not being paid,
1283
00:54:56,926 --> 00:54:58,104
it should be obvious.
1284
00:54:58,128 --> 00:55:02,432
But in order to avoid
a fifth lawsuit from the man,
1285
00:55:03,533 --> 00:55:06,045
I'll call him
an alleged murderer.
1286
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:08,180
Who's alleging it? I am.
1287
00:55:08,204 --> 00:55:10,316
My dad would never hurt Barbera.
1288
00:55:10,340 --> 00:55:12,318
She made him so happy.
1289
00:55:12,342 --> 00:55:13,886
I've never seen him love anyone
1290
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:15,388
as much as he loved her.
1291
00:55:15,412 --> 00:55:16,956
What they shared
was like something
1292
00:55:16,980 --> 00:55:18,491
you read in a romance novel.
1293
00:55:18,515 --> 00:55:20,393
He always said
that she reminded him
1294
00:55:20,417 --> 00:55:22,061
of a Caravaggio painting.
1295
00:55:22,085 --> 00:55:24,764
I've never heard him talk
about anyone like that.
1296
00:55:24,788 --> 00:55:26,732
[Tedd] I saw so much
greatness in her
1297
00:55:26,756 --> 00:55:29,368
as a human being, her talent.
1298
00:55:29,392 --> 00:55:32,171
[unsettling music]
1299
00:55:32,195 --> 00:55:33,930
She was my everything.
1300
00:55:35,198 --> 00:55:36,776
[Thomas] Do you miss her?
1301
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,780
I miss her more than any
human being that's ever lived.
1302
00:55:40,804 --> 00:55:43,482
[Thomas] Tedd's phone records
show no calls
1303
00:55:43,506 --> 00:55:45,418
on the day Barbera died.
1304
00:55:45,442 --> 00:55:50,756
On a normal day,
he averages 250 to 300 calls.
1305
00:55:50,780 --> 00:55:52,591
My dad and I went
to Saint Moritz
1306
00:55:52,615 --> 00:55:54,660
for a few hours to look
at a new house he was building,
1307
00:55:54,684 --> 00:55:57,496
and he broke his phone
at the airport.
1308
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,599
But I can assure you
that his alibi is real,
1309
00:56:00,623 --> 00:56:01,967
and I was with him.
1310
00:56:01,991 --> 00:56:04,637
During any investigation,
it's always fascinating
1311
00:56:04,661 --> 00:56:08,808
to see who a suspect thinks
could have committed the crime.
1312
00:56:08,832 --> 00:56:12,068
And in this case,
there's footage of it.
1313
00:56:12,402 --> 00:56:13,746
I'm not going to jail.
1314
00:56:13,770 --> 00:56:15,648
Rich people don't go to jail.
1315
00:56:15,672 --> 00:56:17,683
I wasn't even in the country,
I swear.
1316
00:56:17,707 --> 00:56:19,418
You can check
all the flight logs.
1317
00:56:19,442 --> 00:56:22,455
Everybody knows
Dustin fucking killed her.
1318
00:56:22,479 --> 00:56:25,882
I have so many videos.
Tell them I'll cut a deal.
1319
00:56:26,149 --> 00:56:28,928
We're now going to dive
into our fourth suspect,
1320
00:56:28,952 --> 00:56:30,463
Dustin Scott.
1321
00:56:30,487 --> 00:56:33,232
There are many reasons
why Dustin is a suspect,
1322
00:56:33,256 --> 00:56:36,559
but one stands out
above them all.
1323
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,972
[constrained breathing]
1324
00:56:39,996 --> 00:56:42,699
Dustin! Dust...
1325
00:56:43,032 --> 00:56:46,345
That video does not get you
a conviction.
1326
00:56:46,369 --> 00:56:48,481
It does, however,
tell us something,
1327
00:56:48,505 --> 00:56:51,708
that Dustin was the last thought
on Barbera's mind.
1328
00:56:52,542 --> 00:56:54,620
But why Dustin?
1329
00:56:54,644 --> 00:56:57,556
Was it because
she was saying goodbye
1330
00:56:57,580 --> 00:56:58,924
to the love of her life,
1331
00:56:58,948 --> 00:57:02,919
or because the love
of her life was killing her?
1332
00:57:07,257 --> 00:57:08,501
You got that, right?
1333
00:57:08,525 --> 00:57:10,169
[Christopher] Got it.
Won't use it. Do it again.
1334
00:57:10,193 --> 00:57:11,871
[sighs]
1335
00:57:11,895 --> 00:57:14,497
Put my hat back on.
You're a fucking bitch.
1336
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,378
[John] I know he was a pain
in the ass,
1337
00:57:19,402 --> 00:57:21,647
but I'll always feel sorry
for this kid.
1338
00:57:21,671 --> 00:57:25,074
I mean, this movie
ripped out his soul.
1339
00:57:26,075 --> 00:57:27,686
I love Dustin Scott.
1340
00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:30,523
I just think he has
1341
00:57:30,547 --> 00:57:33,893
one of the most
expressive faces.
1342
00:57:33,917 --> 00:57:37,196
Um, his performances
are in the eyes,
1343
00:57:37,220 --> 00:57:38,697
gateway to the soul, his body.
1344
00:57:38,721 --> 00:57:39,999
He puts everything into it.
1345
00:57:40,023 --> 00:57:41,901
I mean, he's, he's
a very emotional actor,
1346
00:57:41,925 --> 00:57:45,704
and I think
he is literally a human PSA
1347
00:57:45,728 --> 00:57:50,242
about, don't be an actor,
don't put your kids in acting.
1348
00:57:50,266 --> 00:57:54,847
I mean, every single thing,
uh, that actors,
1349
00:57:54,871 --> 00:57:59,084
every trap actors can step in,
he's actually stepped in.
1350
00:57:59,108 --> 00:58:01,587
Uh, a lot of the trysts
that he had,
1351
00:58:01,611 --> 00:58:04,356
the women that he was with,
1352
00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:06,091
uh, some of the, the controversy
1353
00:58:06,115 --> 00:58:08,661
that he caused
because of his relationships,
1354
00:58:08,685 --> 00:58:10,563
we don't see any of that.
1355
00:58:10,587 --> 00:58:11,964
We just see this, and we think
1356
00:58:11,988 --> 00:58:14,166
this is the only thing that's
happening in this frame.
1357
00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:17,736
But there is another
behind the scenes,
1358
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,405
which is what actually happens
off the set.
1359
00:58:19,429 --> 00:58:23,375
So, yeah, Dustin looks like
he is just being pummeled.
1360
00:58:23,399 --> 00:58:24,710
He's the martyr for everyone.
1361
00:58:24,734 --> 00:58:26,145
He's the whipping boy here.
1362
00:58:26,169 --> 00:58:30,616
Um, but what Dustin does off
the set is pretty outrageous.
1363
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,017
I swear to God, if you bring
1364
00:58:32,041 --> 00:58:34,620
another fucking prostitute...
sex worker on set again,
1365
00:58:34,644 --> 00:58:36,121
I will kick your ass.
1366
00:58:36,145 --> 00:58:39,449
[John] Dustin really took
Barbera's death hard.
1367
00:58:39,682 --> 00:58:41,293
He was doing all kinds of drugs.
1368
00:58:41,317 --> 00:58:43,996
We found him in a gutter,
1369
00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:47,557
unconscious at a strip club,
4:00 in the morning.
1370
00:58:47,857 --> 00:58:49,893
We covered it up from the press.
1371
00:58:50,226 --> 00:58:53,372
I would do whatever it took
to keep him upright
1372
00:58:53,396 --> 00:58:54,607
in this movie.
1373
00:58:54,631 --> 00:58:56,976
I already got, you know,
the investments there.
1374
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,477
We were way into this thing
1375
00:58:58,501 --> 00:59:02,181
and Dustin has to be healthy,
and he was a fucking mess.
1376
00:59:02,205 --> 00:59:03,415
So my, my question for you,
1377
00:59:03,439 --> 00:59:05,618
and I want you to take this
with you into the scene, is,
1378
00:59:05,642 --> 00:59:07,520
what recently happened
to Barbera,
1379
00:59:07,544 --> 00:59:08,954
uh, what do we think
about the idea
1380
00:59:08,978 --> 00:59:12,725
that maybe you don't remember
what, what you may have done?
1381
00:59:12,749 --> 00:59:14,460
'Cause I know you don't think
you did anything,
1382
00:59:14,484 --> 00:59:18,421
but what about
what you don't remember?
1383
00:59:18,788 --> 00:59:21,133
I remember one time,
growing up as a kid,
1384
00:59:21,157 --> 00:59:24,403
some money came up missing
at a church bingo,
1385
00:59:24,427 --> 00:59:26,839
and Father McCauley got
so upset,
1386
00:59:26,863 --> 00:59:29,532
he bitch-slapped
Sister Elizabeth.
1387
00:59:29,799 --> 00:59:32,545
I mean, if you push someone
far enough,
1388
00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:34,446
it can get out of hand.
1389
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:35,981
I want you to hang
1390
00:59:36,005 --> 00:59:37,383
the inadequacy
of your performance
1391
00:59:37,407 --> 00:59:39,952
around your neck and wear it
like a fucking albatross.
1392
00:59:39,976 --> 00:59:41,854
You understand?
It's a millstone, all right?
1393
00:59:41,878 --> 00:59:43,188
You're dragging all of us down.
1394
00:59:43,212 --> 00:59:44,790
-All right.
-It's like a, it's a thing.
1395
00:59:44,814 --> 00:59:46,058
-If I pull this...
-[chokes] Okay, yeah.
1396
00:59:46,082 --> 00:59:47,726
You can feel that, right?
You can feel that.
1397
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:49,461
I gotta hang you with this shit.
1398
00:59:49,485 --> 00:59:50,829
That's how bad
your performance is.
1399
00:59:50,853 --> 00:59:52,565
I could use it to kill you.
1400
00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:54,967
Doing the same scenes
1401
00:59:54,991 --> 00:59:58,070
over and over again
on multiple occasions,
1402
00:59:58,094 --> 01:00:00,306
it kind of takes it out of you.
1403
01:00:00,330 --> 01:00:01,340
It's like if you had
1404
01:00:01,364 --> 01:00:02,942
a tube of toothpaste
that's already empty
1405
01:00:02,966 --> 01:00:04,443
and you just keep squeezing it
and you think
1406
01:00:04,467 --> 01:00:06,345
something's going to come out,
but there's nothing in there
1407
01:00:06,369 --> 01:00:09,739
and you're just crushing it
in your fucking palm.
1408
01:00:13,710 --> 01:00:16,679
[sighs] I'm the tube
of empty toothpaste.
1409
01:00:17,647 --> 01:00:18,958
I think I might faint.
1410
01:00:18,982 --> 01:00:20,960
-You're going to faint? Why?
-I don't know.
1411
01:00:20,984 --> 01:00:24,287
Have you read this scene?
Is this a fainting scene?
1412
01:00:25,355 --> 01:00:26,932
-Okay, Martin, you see that?
-Whoa, whoa, whoa.
1413
01:00:26,956 --> 01:00:28,968
No, no, don't touch him.
You understand what happened?
1414
01:00:28,992 --> 01:00:30,736
This man's talent
cannot overcome
1415
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,071
his given circumstances.
1416
01:00:32,095 --> 01:00:33,806
That's what we call bad acting,
all right?
1417
01:00:33,830 --> 01:00:35,374
Don't look at him.
Do the scene without him.
1418
01:00:35,398 --> 01:00:37,576
I'm going to back up and get
the shot, all right?
1419
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,302
Okay, let's go!
1420
01:00:42,171 --> 01:00:47,620
This film took pieces of me
that I will never get back.
1421
01:00:47,644 --> 01:00:49,121
I fucking hate you! All you do
1422
01:00:49,145 --> 01:00:51,590
is you yell and you lie
and you yell and you lie!
1423
01:00:51,614 --> 01:00:52,791
And I can't take it anymore!
1424
01:00:52,815 --> 01:00:54,627
Why don't you do something
about it, Dustin?
1425
01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:56,095
Fuck! [grunts]
1426
01:00:56,119 --> 01:00:57,663
Now we're going
to learn about acting.
1427
01:00:57,687 --> 01:00:59,698
What is acting, Dustin?
Acting is...
1428
01:00:59,722 --> 01:01:00,899
[Dustin] [grunts] [screams]
1429
01:01:00,923 --> 01:01:02,801
It's being acting, okay?
We're not trying to win.
1430
01:01:02,825 --> 01:01:05,037
-[screams maniacally] [grunts]
-All right, okay, now...
1431
01:01:05,061 --> 01:01:07,697
-[Dustin] [choking]
-[Christopher] [grunts]
1432
01:01:09,332 --> 01:01:10,867
All right, Marty.
1433
01:01:11,167 --> 01:01:14,370
Um, I need something
sort of tempting.
1434
01:01:14,771 --> 01:01:17,273
Pace used to tell me
to never argue with Dustin
1435
01:01:17,540 --> 01:01:20,753
because it's hard to win
a fight with a smart person,
1436
01:01:20,777 --> 01:01:23,756
but impossible to win one
with a crazy person.
1437
01:01:23,780 --> 01:01:25,391
I worked with the guy
for five years.
1438
01:01:25,415 --> 01:01:28,193
There's no doubt in my mind
he could be the killer.
1439
01:01:28,217 --> 01:01:32,655
The things I've seen,
you wouldn't believe it.
1440
01:01:33,089 --> 01:01:35,034
Shut the fuck up, Martin, okay?
Just shut the fuck up!
1441
01:01:35,058 --> 01:01:36,602
-Shut up?
-Yeah, shut... [choking]
1442
01:01:36,626 --> 01:01:37,836
-More an angle.
-I'll shut up?
1443
01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:39,204
-More an angle.
-Shut up? I'm sick of you!
1444
01:01:39,228 --> 01:01:40,973
Marty, Marty, what did I
tell you about the carotid?
1445
01:01:40,997 --> 01:01:42,274
-Martin!
-You put pressure right here.
1446
01:01:42,298 --> 01:01:43,542
-Martin, I'm sorry!
-Then he'll go to sleep.
1447
01:01:43,566 --> 01:01:44,910
Very close to me.
1448
01:01:44,934 --> 01:01:46,645
And then brace the back
of his head here. Break it here.
1449
01:01:46,669 --> 01:01:48,047
You know, not many people
know this,
1450
01:01:48,071 --> 01:01:50,716
but I actually used to go
to middle school with Dustin.
1451
01:01:50,740 --> 01:01:52,184
Um, he had a nickname.
1452
01:01:52,208 --> 01:01:55,187
Back then, it was, uh,
it was Bundy.
1453
01:01:55,211 --> 01:01:57,690
Not for Al Bundy,
but for Ted Bundy,
1454
01:01:57,714 --> 01:01:58,924
because he was voted
1455
01:01:58,948 --> 01:02:00,459
"most likely to become
a serial killer"
1456
01:02:00,483 --> 01:02:01,994
in our yearbook.
1457
01:02:02,018 --> 01:02:06,131
You know, when I really think
about it, Dustin makes sense.
1458
01:02:06,155 --> 01:02:08,157
I let him go down on me once.
1459
01:02:09,158 --> 01:02:11,127
Blind man looking for a nickel.
1460
01:02:11,394 --> 01:02:14,940
There's this moment when a man
is between your legs.
1461
01:02:14,964 --> 01:02:18,677
You can feel that energy
just, you know, coming up,
1462
01:02:18,701 --> 01:02:21,237
and I got that,
I got that murder energy.
1463
01:02:22,205 --> 01:02:24,683
What? You're not
rolling fucking...
1464
01:02:24,707 --> 01:02:26,309
I just...
1465
01:02:26,609 --> 01:02:28,487
Oh, my fucking God!
What are we...
1466
01:02:28,511 --> 01:02:30,289
What are we doing here?
What are we doing here?
1467
01:02:30,313 --> 01:02:32,191
I've been doing this
for four fucking years,
1468
01:02:32,215 --> 01:02:34,593
and now you're not even,
you can't roll fucking sound?
1469
01:02:34,617 --> 01:02:35,828
What?
1470
01:02:35,852 --> 01:02:38,063
I was supposed to be
a movie star, Pace!
1471
01:02:38,087 --> 01:02:39,765
I was supposed to be
a movie star!
1472
01:02:39,789 --> 01:02:41,200
Now I'm going to rehab,
1473
01:02:41,224 --> 01:02:43,068
and I'm gonna fucking work
at a McDonald's
1474
01:02:43,092 --> 01:02:44,269
because of this goddamn...
1475
01:02:44,293 --> 01:02:46,205
Fuck these fucking
asshole punks!
1476
01:02:46,229 --> 01:02:47,206
I'm fucking done!
1477
01:02:47,230 --> 01:02:51,543
I'm telling you,
Dustin is The Hollywood Killer.
1478
01:02:51,567 --> 01:02:53,479
That guy? That's a killer?
1479
01:02:53,503 --> 01:02:55,848
I mean, come on. He's so dumb.
1480
01:02:55,872 --> 01:02:57,816
Everybody knows this, you know?
1481
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:59,451
He's about as smart
as mayonnaise.
1482
01:02:59,475 --> 01:03:03,112
He's like the character from
Sling Blade in real life.
1483
01:03:03,746 --> 01:03:04,990
The only person
1484
01:03:05,014 --> 01:03:08,484
that Dustin really wanted
to kill was himself.
1485
01:03:09,385 --> 01:03:12,865
I can't do this anymore!
1486
01:03:12,889 --> 01:03:18,127
Why is this happening to me?
[sobbing]
1487
01:03:20,463 --> 01:03:23,509
Churchill famously said that,
when you are going through hell,
1488
01:03:23,533 --> 01:03:24,977
you just keep going.
1489
01:03:25,001 --> 01:03:28,247
Dustin's hell is within him,
but he is a coward,
1490
01:03:28,271 --> 01:03:30,349
so he distracts himself
with women.
1491
01:03:30,373 --> 01:03:32,084
He had a relationship with Ava,
1492
01:03:32,108 --> 01:03:35,154
and then, obviously, he had
his relationship with Barbera,
1493
01:03:35,178 --> 01:03:37,790
and when she was killed,
he moved on to Greata,
1494
01:03:37,814 --> 01:03:38,991
and when she was killed,
1495
01:03:39,015 --> 01:03:41,560
he attempted a relationship
with Audrey.
1496
01:03:41,584 --> 01:03:44,596
The problem is that, when you
have that inferno within you,
1497
01:03:44,620 --> 01:03:48,534
when you want to taste
the heart of darkness,
1498
01:03:48,558 --> 01:03:49,868
you must release it,
1499
01:03:49,892 --> 01:03:51,870
because whether or not
you do it,
1500
01:03:51,894 --> 01:03:54,873
it will find you.
It will come for you.
1501
01:03:54,897 --> 01:03:57,442
And if you don't rise
to meet it,
1502
01:03:57,466 --> 01:03:59,068
it will swallow you whole.
1503
01:04:01,504 --> 01:04:03,849
-[Dustin] [squeals]
-I don't think that he's okay.
1504
01:04:03,873 --> 01:04:05,083
Mm, he's fine. He's okay.
1505
01:04:05,107 --> 01:04:06,685
[Dustin screaming gutturally]
1506
01:04:06,709 --> 01:04:08,086
Are we... Are we gonna break?
1507
01:04:08,110 --> 01:04:09,688
[Christopher] Yeah, break.
Get off set for a second.
1508
01:04:09,712 --> 01:04:11,089
-Just fuck off.
-[Dustin sobbing]
1509
01:04:11,113 --> 01:04:13,859
No, you can drink the water
out of my shot.
1510
01:04:13,883 --> 01:04:15,060
Get the fuck out.
1511
01:04:15,084 --> 01:04:17,296
[Dustin] Can somebody... Oh!
1512
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:18,330
I need my mom!
1513
01:04:18,354 --> 01:04:19,932
[Christopher] Yeah,
you know what, Marty?
1514
01:04:19,956 --> 01:04:21,967
I think you should clear out,
too.
1515
01:04:21,991 --> 01:04:28,064
[sobbing maniacally]
1516
01:04:29,498 --> 01:04:35,147
I pinned the camera down,
because I was watching a murder,
1517
01:04:35,171 --> 01:04:38,517
a very slow murder
in front of me.
1518
01:04:38,541 --> 01:04:41,119
[Thomas] During his tenure
on Dissident,
1519
01:04:41,143 --> 01:04:45,281
Dustin allegedly slept
with all three of the victims,
1520
01:04:45,648 --> 01:04:48,927
was committed to
a psychiatric ward twice,
1521
01:04:48,951 --> 01:04:53,732
and overdosed once
the day after Barbera died.
1522
01:04:53,756 --> 01:04:55,968
Dustin Scott was never charged.
1523
01:04:55,992 --> 01:04:58,503
However, when Barbera
was murdered,
1524
01:04:58,527 --> 01:05:02,241
despite a public outcry
to shut down the film,
1525
01:05:02,265 --> 01:05:05,534
the search
for a new actress was on.
1526
01:05:05,768 --> 01:05:07,270
At this point,
1527
01:05:08,271 --> 01:05:11,574
uh, we are in the maelstrom.
1528
01:05:11,974 --> 01:05:14,086
This ship is taking on water.
1529
01:05:14,110 --> 01:05:16,812
The waves are crashing over
the deck.
1530
01:05:17,246 --> 01:05:19,358
The crew is mostly dead
of scurvy,
1531
01:05:19,382 --> 01:05:22,084
and the ones
that are still alive...
1532
01:05:23,819 --> 01:05:26,155
are considering mutiny.
1533
01:05:26,422 --> 01:05:30,535
And then at this exact moment,
a ship appears on the horizon.
1534
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:32,704
A ship with its cannons firing
directly at us,
1535
01:05:32,728 --> 01:05:37,209
flying a pirate flag
with the name Greata Daniels.
1536
01:05:37,233 --> 01:05:39,811
-What is inside you?
-I've never died before.
1537
01:05:39,835 --> 01:05:41,079
You've never died before?
1538
01:05:41,103 --> 01:05:42,414
What a fucking statement
that is.
1539
01:05:42,438 --> 01:05:45,550
Fucking obvious.
What is inside you, Greata?
1540
01:05:45,574 --> 01:05:47,786
-Nothing.
-Exactly.
1541
01:05:47,810 --> 01:05:49,554
There's a saying in Hollywood.
1542
01:05:49,578 --> 01:05:51,356
The show must go on.
1543
01:05:51,380 --> 01:05:56,395
And with that, Dissident cast
its third lead actress,
1544
01:05:56,419 --> 01:05:57,996
Greata Daniels.
1545
01:05:58,020 --> 01:06:01,700
Sometimes I think
you just say fancy words
1546
01:06:01,724 --> 01:06:04,136
and think that they make sense,
1547
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,071
but they don't,
because you just want
1548
01:06:06,095 --> 01:06:07,739
to impress everybody around you.
1549
01:06:07,763 --> 01:06:11,843
Greata was a combination of
Marla Singer from Fight Club
1550
01:06:11,867 --> 01:06:14,246
and Amy Dunne from Gone Girl.
1551
01:06:14,270 --> 01:06:15,881
A beautiful disaster.
1552
01:06:15,905 --> 01:06:17,249
You're so creepy.
Do you know that?
1553
01:06:17,273 --> 01:06:18,250
It's part of the thing.
1554
01:06:18,274 --> 01:06:20,319
I love it, but, like,
1555
01:06:20,343 --> 01:06:22,721
the shit that comes out
of your mouth sometimes
1556
01:06:22,745 --> 01:06:24,714
is just mind-blowing.
1557
01:06:25,114 --> 01:06:26,992
[Pearl] Greata was
a shooting star in the sky.
1558
01:06:27,016 --> 01:06:32,431
Greata was a genius
1559
01:06:32,455 --> 01:06:33,799
wrapped in pain.
1560
01:06:33,823 --> 01:06:37,727
When I find girls like this,
I peel them like an onion.
1561
01:06:38,027 --> 01:06:40,305
And I peel all the pain
and the hurt
1562
01:06:40,329 --> 01:06:44,000
and the trauma and the distrust.
1563
01:06:44,367 --> 01:06:46,302
And you know
what's in that onion?
1564
01:06:47,436 --> 01:06:48,714
A pearl.
1565
01:06:48,738 --> 01:06:50,782
I don't think Greata was ready
for Dissident,
1566
01:06:50,806 --> 01:06:55,020
but Dissident definitely
wasn't ready for Greata.
1567
01:06:55,044 --> 01:06:56,154
They explained this to me.
1568
01:06:56,178 --> 01:06:57,789
She, she's an alcoholic, right?
1569
01:06:57,813 --> 01:07:00,759
-That's what we're dealing with?
-No, no, no, no, no.
1570
01:07:00,783 --> 01:07:02,194
This just keeps her level.
1571
01:07:02,218 --> 01:07:04,796
-It keeps her on an even keel.
-It's my natural state.
1572
01:07:04,820 --> 01:07:07,299
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, so we
keep her at this even keel.
1573
01:07:07,323 --> 01:07:08,467
She's drunk
right at this moment?
1574
01:07:08,491 --> 01:07:09,701
No, no, I wouldn't
call it drunk.
1575
01:07:09,725 --> 01:07:11,169
-I would call it...
-You know what, Pearl?
1576
01:07:11,193 --> 01:07:12,637
A state of meditation.
1577
01:07:12,661 --> 01:07:14,873
That's exactly what we call it,
a state of meditation.
1578
01:07:14,897 --> 01:07:18,234
-It makes me a better actor.
-Yeah, and keep her even.
1579
01:07:18,601 --> 01:07:21,847
She was supposed to be
in rehab for 120 days.
1580
01:07:21,871 --> 01:07:25,608
We picked her up for production
[chuckles] on the 30th day.
1581
01:07:26,976 --> 01:07:28,887
I shot up
some Benadryl last night,
1582
01:07:28,911 --> 01:07:31,781
and then I did a lot of cocaine.
1583
01:07:32,481 --> 01:07:34,183
Do you think I'm gonna die?
1584
01:07:35,051 --> 01:07:36,051
What?
1585
01:07:36,786 --> 01:07:39,197
She just wasn't really easy
to work with,
1586
01:07:39,221 --> 01:07:42,401
but the second that she
really committed herself,
1587
01:07:42,425 --> 01:07:46,471
she's so talented
and incredible to watch.
1588
01:07:46,495 --> 01:07:50,275
I would find myself watching
her, like, magnetized almost,
1589
01:07:50,299 --> 01:07:52,411
like I could not take
my eyes away.
1590
01:07:52,435 --> 01:07:54,980
It was insane,
and everybody felt like that.
1591
01:07:55,004 --> 01:07:57,416
Everyone was obsessed with her.
1592
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,151
I mean, she could
have been a cult leader,
1593
01:07:59,175 --> 01:08:01,086
and we all would have
blindly followed
1594
01:08:01,110 --> 01:08:03,846
her every single move.
1595
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,792
A little cute puppy,
and you just want to squeeze it
1596
01:08:06,816 --> 01:08:08,226
and throw it in the trash can.
1597
01:08:08,250 --> 01:08:09,795
I usually want to grab them
by their ankles and just,
1598
01:08:09,819 --> 01:08:11,029
you know, against the wall.
1599
01:08:11,053 --> 01:08:13,165
No, but, like, when a baby
is so cute, you just want to...
1600
01:08:13,189 --> 01:08:15,667
Greata was the most
unpredictable person
1601
01:08:15,691 --> 01:08:17,002
I've ever met.
1602
01:08:17,026 --> 01:08:20,105
I mean, you never knew which
version of her you would get
1603
01:08:20,129 --> 01:08:22,240
or if she would even show up.
1604
01:08:22,264 --> 01:08:24,076
Okay, I'll definitely
come tomorrow.
1605
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:25,477
Okay, fantastic.
1606
01:08:25,501 --> 01:08:27,646
So, again, uh, Martin,
for you...
1607
01:08:27,670 --> 01:08:30,348
You couldn't count on Greata
for much,
1608
01:08:30,372 --> 01:08:31,783
but what you could count on is
1609
01:08:31,807 --> 01:08:35,220
the bigger the day, the less
likely it is she shows up.
1610
01:08:35,244 --> 01:08:37,255
[Tedd] Greata would just do
whatever she wanted.
1611
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:39,191
It didn't matter
if she was shooting 30 minutes
1612
01:08:39,215 --> 01:08:40,859
or 30 hours on set.
1613
01:08:40,883 --> 01:08:43,986
She would just vanish.
Nobody could find her.
1614
01:08:44,353 --> 01:08:46,031
[Christopher]
All right, good morning, boys.
1615
01:08:46,055 --> 01:08:47,866
How we doing today?
Listen, I, uh,
1616
01:08:47,890 --> 01:08:49,167
I just got off the phone,
1617
01:08:49,191 --> 01:08:51,703
and Greata's gonna be
a no-show today.
1618
01:08:51,727 --> 01:08:52,572
[Martin] What?
1619
01:08:52,596 --> 01:08:53,872
Okay, yeah, Greata's not coming.
1620
01:08:53,896 --> 01:08:56,041
-What happened to Greata?
-Well, it doesn't matter.
1621
01:08:56,065 --> 01:08:58,076
A series of events
probably occurred,
1622
01:08:58,100 --> 01:09:00,512
all involving,
you know, strangers' dicks
1623
01:09:00,536 --> 01:09:02,948
and, uh, and, you know,
Colombian cocaine.
1624
01:09:02,972 --> 01:09:04,082
But that's not the point.
1625
01:09:04,106 --> 01:09:05,684
The point is she's not going
to be here.
1626
01:09:05,708 --> 01:09:07,285
[Chad] Greata's gonna do
whatever she wants
1627
01:09:07,309 --> 01:09:08,453
at any given moment.
1628
01:09:08,477 --> 01:09:10,989
Um, she's driven
purely by instinct
1629
01:09:11,013 --> 01:09:13,658
and her own id, I think.
1630
01:09:13,682 --> 01:09:16,595
If she wants cocaine,
that's what she's gonna do.
1631
01:09:16,619 --> 01:09:19,164
If she wants to show up on set,
great, she'll be there that day.
1632
01:09:19,188 --> 01:09:21,557
If not, tough shit.
1633
01:09:21,991 --> 01:09:24,636
[Ivan] We're getting ready
to do the big helicopter scene,
1634
01:09:24,660 --> 01:09:27,272
stuns several cameras,
everybody's in place.
1635
01:09:27,296 --> 01:09:30,175
It's a big, it's a big scene
to pull off.
1636
01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:31,910
Helicopter is in the air.
1637
01:09:31,934 --> 01:09:34,513
Everything is ready,
and Greata doesn't show up.
1638
01:09:34,537 --> 01:09:36,648
Yeah. No, it's okay.
We'll come get you.
1639
01:09:36,672 --> 01:09:38,650
Lisa, where's your fucking
client, boo?
1640
01:09:38,674 --> 01:09:41,253
-I'm leaving her a voicemail.
-She's not on the phone?
1641
01:09:41,277 --> 01:09:43,889
She is at a Vietnamese
restaurant in Burbank.
1642
01:09:43,913 --> 01:09:45,290
Okay, okay. Can we...
1643
01:09:45,314 --> 01:09:47,626
I think she just felt
1644
01:09:47,650 --> 01:09:50,562
that production revolved
around her.
1645
01:09:50,586 --> 01:09:54,166
No consideration for cast,
no consideration for crew,
1646
01:09:54,190 --> 01:09:56,101
no consideration for Pace.
1647
01:09:56,125 --> 01:09:57,636
Everyone out here is scared
of you.
1648
01:09:57,660 --> 01:09:59,938
I'm not scared of you.
I'm sexually attracted to you.
1649
01:09:59,962 --> 01:10:01,606
[Christopher] We're fucking
done! I'm done!
1650
01:10:01,630 --> 01:10:03,441
-Hi, sweetie. Yeah, okay.
-Fuck you! Fuck you!
1651
01:10:03,465 --> 01:10:07,012
Fuck her! I love you. I'm sorry.
It's not about you.
1652
01:10:07,036 --> 01:10:08,079
Fuck you! I'm done.
1653
01:10:08,103 --> 01:10:09,548
I love you too, Pace.
1654
01:10:09,572 --> 01:10:12,217
We contracted Greata
for nine months.
1655
01:10:12,241 --> 01:10:14,743
She was killed on the 60th day,
1656
01:10:15,010 --> 01:10:19,391
and of the 60 days,
she only showed up on set 37.
1657
01:10:19,415 --> 01:10:21,793
You can let her know,
or you let Tedd know,
1658
01:10:21,817 --> 01:10:23,361
that if she does not
come tomorrow,
1659
01:10:23,385 --> 01:10:24,563
I will fucking kill her,
1660
01:10:24,587 --> 01:10:25,997
'cause I don't appreciate
the volatility.
1661
01:10:26,021 --> 01:10:28,600
She's not here now,
she won't be here permanently.
1662
01:10:28,624 --> 01:10:29,535
That's it.
1663
01:10:29,559 --> 01:10:33,371
Greata was murdered that night
by THK.
1664
01:10:33,395 --> 01:10:35,440
The video of her murder,
like the others,
1665
01:10:35,464 --> 01:10:38,376
was posted
moments after it was taken.
1666
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:39,744
And the next day,
1667
01:10:39,768 --> 01:10:45,617
the FBI officially classified
THK as a serial killer.
1668
01:10:45,641 --> 01:10:47,352
And that's when I got involved.
1669
01:10:47,376 --> 01:10:52,014
[eerie music] [Greata screaming]
1670
01:11:00,155 --> 01:11:06,471
There's a level of infamy
that a serial killer makes it to
1671
01:11:06,495 --> 01:11:08,807
when they become known forever.
1672
01:11:08,831 --> 01:11:10,675
Pop culture icons.
1673
01:11:10,699 --> 01:11:12,911
White women can't get enough.
1674
01:11:12,935 --> 01:11:17,039
BTK, Night Stalker, Zodiac.
1675
01:11:17,473 --> 01:11:20,042
Now we've got
The Hollywood Killer.
1676
01:11:20,476 --> 01:11:22,554
The first thing I did
when I got on this case
1677
01:11:22,578 --> 01:11:24,656
was to subpoena the footage.
1678
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,024
Upon reviewing it, I learned
1679
01:11:26,048 --> 01:11:29,160
that the cameras were rolling
the entire time.
1680
01:11:29,184 --> 01:11:31,429
Something which I kept
to myself,
1681
01:11:31,453 --> 01:11:33,431
as I knew this would be
1682
01:11:33,455 --> 01:11:35,724
my greatest resource
of evidence.
1683
01:11:36,292 --> 01:11:38,136
And it was.
1684
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:39,638
If anything ever happened to me,
1685
01:11:39,662 --> 01:11:42,173
if I ever died,
look at fucking Melvin.
1686
01:11:42,197 --> 01:11:43,475
It's definitely Melvin.
1687
01:11:43,499 --> 01:11:46,411
It's never a good sign
when the murdered person
1688
01:11:46,435 --> 01:11:48,780
calls you out by name,
1689
01:11:48,804 --> 01:11:52,217
but that's what happened
to our fifth suspect.
1690
01:11:52,241 --> 01:11:54,185
Melvin Asher. [eerie music]
1691
01:11:54,209 --> 01:11:56,721
The overwhelming theory
on Melvin
1692
01:11:56,745 --> 01:11:58,790
is that he wasn't happy
with the actresses
1693
01:11:58,814 --> 01:12:01,726
and killed them one by one
until he got
1694
01:12:01,750 --> 01:12:03,995
the one he thought
could win him an Oscar.
1695
01:12:04,019 --> 01:12:08,400
His relationship with Greata
certainly didn't help his case.
1696
01:12:08,424 --> 01:12:11,403
Greata, if you fuck this movie
up for me,
1697
01:12:11,427 --> 01:12:12,971
I'll kill you.
1698
01:12:12,995 --> 01:12:16,941
The three things I look for
in every serial killer's mind
1699
01:12:16,965 --> 01:12:20,545
are lack of remorse,
the need to control,
1700
01:12:20,569 --> 01:12:24,106
and narcissistic
personality disorder.
1701
01:12:24,373 --> 01:12:25,750
[Thomas] Can you tell me
a little bit
1702
01:12:25,774 --> 01:12:27,452
about your relationship
with Melvin?
1703
01:12:27,476 --> 01:12:29,387
Yeah, I, uh, [chuckles]
1704
01:12:29,411 --> 01:12:30,889
I was the lead
of The Tarantula Prince.
1705
01:12:30,913 --> 01:12:34,025
That's his first movie.
It's kind of what broke him out.
1706
01:12:34,049 --> 01:12:35,093
You're welcome.
1707
01:12:35,117 --> 01:12:39,364
[dramatic classical music]
[swashbuckler laughs]
1708
01:12:39,388 --> 01:12:42,200
-[sword swishes]
-To your death!
1709
01:12:42,224 --> 01:12:46,795
[swashbucklers grunting]
1710
01:13:01,310 --> 01:13:05,681
Yeah!
1711
01:13:06,281 --> 01:13:11,096
On paper, Melvin's probably
your prototype for a killer.
1712
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,531
He's got the size,
he's got the anger,
1713
01:13:13,555 --> 01:13:15,100
he's got the snapping,
1714
01:13:15,124 --> 01:13:16,701
all the psychosis that goes
1715
01:13:16,725 --> 01:13:18,370
into being able
to murder someone.
1716
01:13:18,394 --> 01:13:20,438
Hey, have you seen
this man's intensity?
1717
01:13:20,462 --> 01:13:21,840
Wait till you interview him.
1718
01:13:21,864 --> 01:13:23,675
That guy doesn't say anything
on accident.
1719
01:13:23,699 --> 01:13:27,569
I think his entire life story
is rehearsed in a mirror, man.
1720
01:13:28,103 --> 01:13:31,816
[grunting]
1721
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,310
Today is the day I win an Oscar.
1722
01:13:35,611 --> 01:13:38,390
I will win an Oscar today.
1723
01:13:38,414 --> 01:13:40,158
I am not a contender.
1724
01:13:40,182 --> 01:13:42,260
I am the fucking adventurer.
1725
01:13:42,284 --> 01:13:44,429
I will win this fucking Oscar.
1726
01:13:44,453 --> 01:13:46,664
I am not a loser. I am a winner.
1727
01:13:46,688 --> 01:13:49,801
I am not a bridesmaid.
I'm the fucking bride.
1728
01:13:49,825 --> 01:13:50,959
Let's go.
1729
01:13:52,494 --> 01:13:55,640
[Thomas]
Do you think there's any chance
1730
01:13:55,664 --> 01:13:58,910
that Melvin Asher
was the killer?
1731
01:13:58,934 --> 01:14:02,871
[inhales sharply] Yeah, sure.
Uh, it's, uh, possible.
1732
01:14:03,238 --> 01:14:06,184
If I was to write the story
of Melvin as murderer,
1733
01:14:06,208 --> 01:14:07,585
I would tell it like this.
1734
01:14:07,609 --> 01:14:09,788
A man who has already achieved
1735
01:14:09,812 --> 01:14:12,190
great wealth and success
and fame
1736
01:14:12,214 --> 01:14:14,125
from the movies he's done
and yet is not satisfied.
1737
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:15,827
He wants prestige.
He wants something more.
1738
01:14:15,851 --> 01:14:18,229
He wants to be taken seriously.
And he finds himself
1739
01:14:18,253 --> 01:14:20,598
on a movie where he believes
he can do just that.
1740
01:14:20,622 --> 01:14:22,667
And yet there are women
1741
01:14:22,691 --> 01:14:25,437
that he perceives to be
in his way.
1742
01:14:25,461 --> 01:14:27,572
Now, what does a man
1743
01:14:27,596 --> 01:14:29,808
who knows
he cannot achieve happiness
1744
01:14:29,832 --> 01:14:32,911
unless he wins an award
for this film,
1745
01:14:32,935 --> 01:14:35,180
what is this man willing to do?
1746
01:14:35,204 --> 01:14:36,815
Would he kill for it?
1747
01:14:36,839 --> 01:14:39,717
In this story,
I believe he does.
1748
01:14:39,741 --> 01:14:43,421
You know, signing on to
Dissident was a dream for me.
1749
01:14:43,445 --> 01:14:44,556
Hey, Melvin.
1750
01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:47,149
What do you think bad acting
looks like?
1751
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:50,128
-Like bad acting?
-There it is.
1752
01:14:50,152 --> 01:14:52,664
I see it. It's, it's like this.
I see it right now.
1753
01:14:52,688 --> 01:14:54,365
-Stop it.
-All right. All right, let's go.
1754
01:14:54,389 --> 01:14:57,535
Working with Pace is something
1755
01:14:57,559 --> 01:15:01,263
I wish every performer could do.
1756
01:15:01,597 --> 01:15:05,109
Okay, he pulls the artist
from the actor.
1757
01:15:05,133 --> 01:15:07,345
And after doing
the Quick and Quicker films
1758
01:15:07,369 --> 01:15:09,214
for the last decade,
1759
01:15:09,238 --> 01:15:10,715
it's what I needed.
1760
01:15:10,739 --> 01:15:13,485
But knowing this footage
is out there,
1761
01:15:13,509 --> 01:15:15,386
I can understand how people
1762
01:15:15,410 --> 01:15:17,255
could have this perception
of me.
1763
01:15:17,279 --> 01:15:22,551
I hope they know that I truly,
truly cared about this film.
1764
01:15:22,851 --> 01:15:25,296
And then at my core, I'm...
1765
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,632
You know, I'm just a good guy.
1766
01:15:27,656 --> 01:15:29,868
What the fuck, man?
1767
01:15:29,892 --> 01:15:33,095
Ivan, what are we
fucking doing?!
1768
01:15:34,129 --> 01:15:36,441
I know people have
their opinions on him,
1769
01:15:36,465 --> 01:15:38,510
but I love Melvin.
1770
01:15:38,534 --> 01:15:39,944
He's my godfather.
1771
01:15:39,968 --> 01:15:42,113
He took that role
very seriously.
1772
01:15:42,137 --> 01:15:44,716
He postponed production
on a major motion picture
1773
01:15:44,740 --> 01:15:46,484
so he wouldn't miss
the opening night
1774
01:15:46,508 --> 01:15:47,952
of my school play.
1775
01:15:47,976 --> 01:15:50,922
He taught me how to drive
when I was, like, 13.
1776
01:15:50,946 --> 01:15:55,426
And he was the first person
to say, "Do it,"
1777
01:15:55,450 --> 01:15:57,662
when I wanted to make movies.
1778
01:15:57,686 --> 01:16:01,757
That being said,
he had issues with the girls.
1779
01:16:02,391 --> 01:16:03,835
He fought with Ava.
1780
01:16:03,859 --> 01:16:05,537
It's really hard to act
with somebody who's so dumb,
1781
01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:06,604
but it's okay.
1782
01:16:06,628 --> 01:16:07,739
[Christopher]
This is a Melvin thing?
1783
01:16:07,763 --> 01:16:09,240
-Because of his stupidity?
-"So dumb"?
1784
01:16:09,264 --> 01:16:11,342
[Christopher] We had an entire
meeting about how stupid he is.
1785
01:16:11,366 --> 01:16:12,477
"So dumb"?
1786
01:16:12,501 --> 01:16:14,045
I mean, he has
45 million dollars, so...
1787
01:16:14,069 --> 01:16:17,749
Yeah, you know communication
is only 30% verbal, right?
1788
01:16:17,773 --> 01:16:19,250
So what you said doesn't matter.
1789
01:16:19,274 --> 01:16:21,286
I don't know that you know what
you're talking about at all.
1790
01:16:21,310 --> 01:16:22,520
I'm, guys, I'm so tired.
1791
01:16:22,544 --> 01:16:23,888
I really am hungry
and I gotta go.
1792
01:16:23,912 --> 01:16:25,023
[Christopher] Don't run away
from the fight.
1793
01:16:25,047 --> 01:16:26,558
-Just engage with him.
-Oh, no, no, no...
1794
01:16:26,582 --> 01:16:28,026
He's an asshole. He's the worst.
1795
01:16:28,050 --> 01:16:30,094
An asshole? I was trying
to help. I was trying to help.
1796
01:16:30,118 --> 01:16:32,363
-Subtext, okay? Great, awesome.
-Oh, yeah.
1797
01:16:32,387 --> 01:16:33,364
Oh, okay. So you're just...
1798
01:16:33,388 --> 01:16:35,800
You're so smart, sweetie.
Yeah, just look pretty.
1799
01:16:35,824 --> 01:16:37,702
You're very handsome.
That's good for you.
1800
01:16:37,726 --> 01:16:39,237
-Thank you. I appreciate that.
-Can we go?
1801
01:16:39,261 --> 01:16:42,297
He never thought Barbera
was right for the role.
1802
01:16:42,631 --> 01:16:44,776
-Get rid of her.
-No, I...
1803
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,511
You know how much money
that's gonna cost?
1804
01:16:46,535 --> 01:16:47,912
You know,
all the things involved.
1805
01:16:47,936 --> 01:16:49,681
I don't know if I have it in me.
1806
01:16:49,705 --> 01:16:53,051
John, it'll cost you less money.
I'll waive my fee.
1807
01:16:53,075 --> 01:16:54,619
And Greata?
1808
01:16:54,643 --> 01:16:58,180
Well, he despised Greata.
1809
01:16:58,580 --> 01:17:00,291
This has been the pinnacle
of my career,
1810
01:17:00,315 --> 01:17:01,893
working with each and every one
of you.
1811
01:17:01,917 --> 01:17:04,853
I appreciate and I love
1812
01:17:05,153 --> 01:17:07,966
every single one of you
on this set, okay?
1813
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:09,834
And I just wanna,
I just wanna thank you.
1814
01:17:09,858 --> 01:17:12,203
I love you all.
Uh, except for Greata.
1815
01:17:12,227 --> 01:17:14,472
I hope she fucking dies.
All right, that's it.
1816
01:17:14,496 --> 01:17:15,840
-Let's go.
-You're done?
1817
01:17:15,864 --> 01:17:19,334
Working with Greata was
the worst experience of my life.
1818
01:17:19,701 --> 01:17:22,246
-She even know here lines?
-You know your line?
1819
01:17:22,270 --> 01:17:23,414
[obnoxious chewing]
1820
01:17:23,438 --> 01:17:25,718
-Of course I know my lines.
-Can you say for me, please?
1821
01:17:28,610 --> 01:17:31,022
-Pearl?
-There you go.
1822
01:17:31,046 --> 01:17:34,125
Greata did not deserve
to be in this movie.
1823
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:37,695
She had no respect for the craft
or her fellow actors.
1824
01:17:37,719 --> 01:17:38,963
She didn't even remember
her fucking line!
1825
01:17:38,987 --> 01:17:40,264
Okay, okay, okay.
You know what I want?
1826
01:17:40,288 --> 01:17:41,766
Where's her juice?
Where's her fucking...
1827
01:17:41,790 --> 01:17:42,934
No, no, this is what we need.
1828
01:17:42,958 --> 01:17:44,669
You've done the action films,
right? Okay?
1829
01:17:44,693 --> 01:17:45,970
I want you to apply
some pressure.
1830
01:17:45,994 --> 01:17:47,238
Sleeper hold.
Don't let her pass out!
1831
01:17:47,262 --> 01:17:49,173
Bro, you gotta fucking
micro dose her!
1832
01:17:49,197 --> 01:17:50,174
Just a little bit.
1833
01:17:50,198 --> 01:17:51,542
-Give her her alcohol.
-That's the micro dose!
1834
01:17:51,566 --> 01:17:55,046
[Melvin] I wanted to be
exceptional in this film.
1835
01:17:55,070 --> 01:17:56,748
And she was inhibiting me
1836
01:17:56,772 --> 01:17:59,384
from reaching my potential
with this character.
1837
01:17:59,408 --> 01:18:01,176
And I have to be honest.
1838
01:18:03,145 --> 01:18:05,047
It affected me.
1839
01:18:05,447 --> 01:18:09,527
Greata, do you know how many
scenes in cars I've had to do
1840
01:18:09,551 --> 01:18:13,055
to do this scene
in this fucking car?
1841
01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:17,101
First you threaten me,
and then you fucking yell at me!
1842
01:18:17,125 --> 01:18:18,636
I don't know
who you think you are,
1843
01:18:18,660 --> 01:18:20,338
but you're messing
with the wrong person.
1844
01:18:20,362 --> 01:18:22,407
You really don't wanna
fucking threaten me.
1845
01:18:22,431 --> 01:18:26,702
Melvin hates Greata
more than I hate Tedd.
1846
01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:31,482
My entire fucking life
I worked to be here!
1847
01:18:31,506 --> 01:18:34,619
In this car? Right now?
God, that must be depressing.
1848
01:18:34,643 --> 01:18:37,288
[Martin] It was never-ending,
all day,
1849
01:18:37,312 --> 01:18:40,482
every day.
Greata, Greata, Greata.
1850
01:18:41,450 --> 01:18:43,085
[sighs]
1851
01:18:43,351 --> 01:18:44,529
She's doing fucking coke.
1852
01:18:44,553 --> 01:18:46,597
She's showing up late.
It's un-fucking-believable, man!
1853
01:18:46,621 --> 01:18:47,999
[Martin] Hey, calm down.
1854
01:18:48,023 --> 01:18:51,269
No, no, she's fucking up
Pace's words, right?
1855
01:18:51,293 --> 01:18:55,063
She's fucking up Ivan's vision,
and she's fucking up my Oscar!
1856
01:18:55,363 --> 01:18:56,808
It's fucking, God...
1857
01:18:56,832 --> 01:18:59,277
If it's meant to be,
you'll get the Oscar.
1858
01:18:59,301 --> 01:19:01,813
-I am gonna get the Oscar.
-That's what I'm talking about.
1859
01:19:01,837 --> 01:19:05,616
She's fucking it up, man!
Pisses me off.
1860
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,852
If all that wasn't enough,
1861
01:19:07,876 --> 01:19:11,122
Pace got Melvin to confess
to the murders.
1862
01:19:11,146 --> 01:19:13,891
You can do it.
"I strangled those three women."
1863
01:19:13,915 --> 01:19:16,094
-I strangled those three women.
-"And it felt good."
1864
01:19:16,118 --> 01:19:18,362
-And it felt good.
-"And it felt right."
1865
01:19:18,386 --> 01:19:20,465
-And it felt right.
-"Because it was right.
1866
01:19:20,489 --> 01:19:23,134
-Especially fucking Greata."
-[inhales sharply]
1867
01:19:23,158 --> 01:19:25,136
Oh, yeah, that one! That one!
1868
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:26,337
[roars]
1869
01:19:26,361 --> 01:19:27,739
-Yes! Yes.
-[roars]
1870
01:19:27,763 --> 01:19:30,241
-That one felt good.
-[roars]
1871
01:19:30,265 --> 01:19:33,945
[Smitty] When he admitted
that he did the murder,
1872
01:19:33,969 --> 01:19:36,180
we didn't know whether
it was maybe performance,
1873
01:19:36,204 --> 01:19:39,250
you know, he's going after
that Oscar or not,
1874
01:19:39,274 --> 01:19:42,844
but, man, we all looked around
and said, "Holy shit."
1875
01:19:44,112 --> 01:19:46,948
[Thomas] What do you have
to say about the confession?
1876
01:19:48,650 --> 01:19:50,318
Method acting.
1877
01:19:51,286 --> 01:19:54,899
Melvin never wanted Ava,
Barbera, or Greata
1878
01:19:54,923 --> 01:19:56,467
in Dissident.
1879
01:19:56,491 --> 01:20:00,271
There was only one actress he
thought was right for the part.
1880
01:20:00,295 --> 01:20:03,841
And after every murder,
he would pitch her to Tedd.
1881
01:20:03,865 --> 01:20:06,344
Sort of singles
until we find a new actress.
1882
01:20:06,368 --> 01:20:07,945
-By the way, I talked to Tedd.
-Huh?
1883
01:20:07,969 --> 01:20:09,914
-Audrey's available.
-Who?
1884
01:20:09,938 --> 01:20:11,382
Audrey Evans.
1885
01:20:11,406 --> 01:20:13,451
Who is Audrey Evans?
1886
01:20:13,475 --> 01:20:14,552
You feel inspired?
1887
01:20:14,576 --> 01:20:17,755
No, I don't feel inspired.
I'm fucking freezing.
1888
01:20:17,779 --> 01:20:19,791
You can't take inspiration
from the cold?
1889
01:20:19,815 --> 01:20:21,926
I fucking hate you.
I, I fucking hate you.
1890
01:20:21,950 --> 01:20:23,761
I fantasize
about you fucking dying.
1891
01:20:23,785 --> 01:20:25,863
I hope you get fucking syphilis.
You probably already have it
1892
01:20:25,887 --> 01:20:27,165
because you're sleeping
with Ava.
1893
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:29,300
I fucking hate you.
Everyone fucking hates you!
1894
01:20:29,324 --> 01:20:31,769
-Okay, okay, okay.
-And I hope you fucking die!
1895
01:20:31,793 --> 01:20:34,672
Now let's meet our fourth
and final girl,
1896
01:20:34,696 --> 01:20:36,240
Audrey Evans.
1897
01:20:36,264 --> 01:20:38,743
Audrey Evans, I, I'm a big fan.
1898
01:20:38,767 --> 01:20:40,211
She's really
an excellent actress.
1899
01:20:40,235 --> 01:20:41,646
She does all her own stunts.
1900
01:20:41,670 --> 01:20:44,482
There's really very little
that she has not accomplished.
1901
01:20:44,506 --> 01:20:47,952
I do think that her ending up
in Dissident makes sense.
1902
01:20:47,976 --> 01:20:50,922
She's there in a way to avenge
1903
01:20:50,946 --> 01:20:53,057
her co-star from Blue Orchid,
Greata,
1904
01:20:53,081 --> 01:20:55,092
who had a tragic fate
on Dissident.
1905
01:20:55,116 --> 01:20:57,261
And I think, I think
she kicks ass in the film.
1906
01:20:57,285 --> 01:20:59,554
I think she does a great job.
1907
01:21:00,188 --> 01:21:03,058
I was so excited
to do this movie.
1908
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:05,327
But...
1909
01:21:05,994 --> 01:21:07,863
The time has come.
1910
01:21:13,501 --> 01:21:15,003
For what?
1911
01:21:16,938 --> 01:21:18,440
It's time.
1912
01:21:19,908 --> 01:21:24,555
[laughing] I'm sorry.
Are we going?
1913
01:21:24,579 --> 01:21:25,590
This film was a nightmare.
1914
01:21:25,614 --> 01:21:28,292
I've never had a worse time
doing something.
1915
01:21:28,316 --> 01:21:30,228
They don't give you a script.
1916
01:21:30,252 --> 01:21:31,462
They don't tell you
what's happening.
1917
01:21:31,486 --> 01:21:33,764
You don't even know who else
is in the scene.
1918
01:21:33,788 --> 01:21:35,366
They just go. They press record.
1919
01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:37,835
Actually, I don't even know
if they ever did press record
1920
01:21:37,859 --> 01:21:39,503
because it's just
constantly rolling.
1921
01:21:39,527 --> 01:21:41,806
You just go.
And people are just saying shit.
1922
01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:43,507
And you just have to go with it.
1923
01:21:43,531 --> 01:21:45,943
Why are you going along
with what he says?
1924
01:21:45,967 --> 01:21:47,345
Sister, I'm at the bottom
of the call sheet.
1925
01:21:47,369 --> 01:21:49,413
"Sister"?
What am I the fucking sister?
1926
01:21:49,437 --> 01:21:50,315
It's not my place!
1927
01:21:50,339 --> 01:21:51,816
I thought you were
my fucking friend.
1928
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,184
-You are a joke.
-I am your friend.
1929
01:21:53,208 --> 01:21:55,119
-You fucking pussy!
-Ah! I'm your friend!
1930
01:21:55,143 --> 01:21:56,454
-You're a fucking loser!
-I'm your friend!
1931
01:21:56,478 --> 01:21:59,390
-You're a fucking...
-No! No! Ah!
1932
01:21:59,414 --> 01:22:01,259
-Not in the water!
-I fucking hate you!
1933
01:22:01,283 --> 01:22:03,594
I thought you were my friend,
you piece of shit!
1934
01:22:03,618 --> 01:22:06,864
Why are you just going along
with whatever the fuck he says?
1935
01:22:06,888 --> 01:22:09,667
[indistinct]
1936
01:22:09,691 --> 01:22:11,669
I have no control here.
1937
01:22:11,693 --> 01:22:12,937
What you have to understand
1938
01:22:12,961 --> 01:22:15,039
is that Audrey
comes into this film,
1939
01:22:15,063 --> 01:22:16,841
I don't know, 500 days into it
or something.
1940
01:22:16,865 --> 01:22:19,844
She's the fourth actress.
Three actresses have died.
1941
01:22:19,868 --> 01:22:21,312
She's got a lot
on her shoulders.
1942
01:22:21,336 --> 01:22:24,315
I mean, this is someone
who is following in footsteps
1943
01:22:24,339 --> 01:22:25,983
that are basically tainted.
1944
01:22:26,007 --> 01:22:27,518
And finally, most fundamental,
1945
01:22:27,542 --> 01:22:29,153
have you ever been inside
a Turkish prison?
1946
01:22:29,177 --> 01:22:31,422
-Why are you yelling?
-Why am I yelling?
1947
01:22:31,446 --> 01:22:33,624
Because I'm fucking passionate!
Why aren't you yelling?
1948
01:22:33,648 --> 01:22:38,296
After her first week on set,
Audrey called me and she said,
1949
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:41,365
"I'm going to take over
this fucking movie."
1950
01:22:41,389 --> 01:22:44,859
Some people get on a bad set
and they see it as a problem.
1951
01:22:45,193 --> 01:22:47,796
I see it as an opportunity.
1952
01:22:48,363 --> 01:22:51,967
An opportunity to take over
the whole fucking production.
1953
01:22:53,568 --> 01:22:55,670
Choose a fucking side.
1954
01:22:57,539 --> 01:22:58,950
[Christopher] Cut!
1955
01:22:58,974 --> 01:23:01,886
Holy shit. [screams] Oh, my God.
1956
01:23:01,910 --> 01:23:03,788
Oh, calm down.
It's not even loaded.
1957
01:23:03,812 --> 01:23:05,080
Sorry.
1958
01:23:05,347 --> 01:23:08,960
I started off
as Audrey's assistant,
1959
01:23:08,984 --> 01:23:10,594
um, which, as we all know,
1960
01:23:10,618 --> 01:23:13,965
and you guys have seen,
um, was brutal.
1961
01:23:13,989 --> 01:23:16,901
Sandra, get the fuck out. Go on!
1962
01:23:16,925 --> 01:23:18,302
[Sandra] Oh, God. Oh, sorry.
1963
01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:21,706
I was one
of Audrey's biggest fans.
1964
01:23:21,730 --> 01:23:23,341
Oh, it's so hot.
1965
01:23:23,365 --> 01:23:25,009
Your mother called
and your agent called.
1966
01:23:25,033 --> 01:23:26,744
Who would you like me
to call back first?
1967
01:23:26,768 --> 01:23:27,945
-My agent.
-Okay.
1968
01:23:27,969 --> 01:23:29,914
I got that. Oh, let me see.
1969
01:23:29,938 --> 01:23:32,516
I mean, I grew up looking up
to her.
1970
01:23:32,540 --> 01:23:35,186
She's one of those people
that does her own stunts.
1971
01:23:35,210 --> 01:23:38,889
She's like the modern day
female version of Tom Cruise.
1972
01:23:38,913 --> 01:23:40,491
She's pretty incredible
and amazing.
1973
01:23:40,515 --> 01:23:43,585
Um, except she's just
a terrible person.
1974
01:23:44,552 --> 01:23:46,063
[crying]
I'm just really overwhelmed!
1975
01:23:46,087 --> 01:23:48,232
How is he supposed to do his job
if you're standing here crying?
1976
01:23:48,256 --> 01:23:51,402
-Yeah, you think about that.
-Waa! Waa! Waa! Waa!
1977
01:23:51,426 --> 01:23:54,829
Oh, my God,
just go to my trailer!
1978
01:23:55,163 --> 01:23:58,142
Fuck me! Sorry, she's just...
1979
01:23:58,166 --> 01:24:00,211
I remember Audrey's first day.
1980
01:24:00,235 --> 01:24:01,479
Pace said he wanted to test her,
1981
01:24:01,503 --> 01:24:04,348
but I think he wanted
to make her quit.
1982
01:24:04,372 --> 01:24:07,451
[Christopher] I need
less acting from the fire!
1983
01:24:07,475 --> 01:24:10,921
-[coughing]
-Down! Take it down!
1984
01:24:10,945 --> 01:24:13,858
[Martin] Look, we burned
through 11 Ferraris that day
1985
01:24:13,882 --> 01:24:16,017
to get a 10-second scene.
1986
01:24:16,284 --> 01:24:19,230
To Audrey, this was
all insane, but to all of us,
1987
01:24:19,254 --> 01:24:22,666
this was just another
typical day on Dissident.
1988
01:24:22,690 --> 01:24:25,593
[Audrey] You met me at
a strange time in my life.
1989
01:24:29,297 --> 01:24:32,176
We were so fortunate
to have Audrey.
1990
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:33,544
She made this movie
1991
01:24:33,568 --> 01:24:36,380
and was just a pleasure
to share scenes with.
1992
01:24:36,404 --> 01:24:38,883
I know Audrey hated
Pace's methods,
1993
01:24:38,907 --> 01:24:40,851
but that's what it takes.
1994
01:24:40,875 --> 01:24:44,622
He does whatever he needs to get
the best out of you.
1995
01:24:44,646 --> 01:24:46,557
The real question
before we begin is,
1996
01:24:46,581 --> 01:24:49,760
do either of you know
what a paradox is?
1997
01:24:49,784 --> 01:24:51,629
-No.
-God, no.
1998
01:24:51,653 --> 01:24:54,065
And that's what he did
for Audrey.
1999
01:24:54,089 --> 01:24:55,966
He challenged her.
2000
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:58,402
Both of you are movie stars
2001
01:24:58,426 --> 01:25:00,971
and yet are completely
without talent.
2002
01:25:00,995 --> 01:25:02,406
-This is a paradox.
-What?
2003
01:25:02,430 --> 01:25:04,775
It's not
that she's deeply untalented.
2004
01:25:04,799 --> 01:25:05,776
I won't say that.
2005
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,813
I, I don't think Audrey
is, is untalented.
2006
01:25:08,837 --> 01:25:10,614
The, the issue is, you know,
2007
01:25:10,638 --> 01:25:13,717
what is your talent,
uh, being used for?
2008
01:25:13,741 --> 01:25:16,821
And like a cancer,
uh, Audrey's talent
2009
01:25:16,845 --> 01:25:22,059
is to turn the facets of life
of the film
2010
01:25:22,083 --> 01:25:23,160
in on themselves
2011
01:25:23,184 --> 01:25:25,796
and to destroy
from, from within.
2012
01:25:25,820 --> 01:25:30,634
Um, so a talented girl,
uh, uh, a terrible actress.
2013
01:25:30,658 --> 01:25:33,795
[Dustin] Whether you like him
or not, Pace is the boss.
2014
01:25:34,195 --> 01:25:36,740
And Audrey always wants to be
the boss.
2015
01:25:36,764 --> 01:25:37,908
She's a control freak.
2016
01:25:37,932 --> 01:25:41,445
She needs to take over
everything and manipulate it.
2017
01:25:41,469 --> 01:25:44,081
I'm about to
fucking direct this myself
2018
01:25:44,105 --> 01:25:45,883
if you don't fucking figure
your shit out!
2019
01:25:45,907 --> 01:25:49,487
I have, like, 0% body fat,
I'm fucking freezing,
2020
01:25:49,511 --> 01:25:52,380
and this has been going on
way too long!
2021
01:25:53,515 --> 01:25:54,692
Ah, shit!
2022
01:25:54,716 --> 01:25:57,795
-Don't fucking touch me!
-I don't know.
2023
01:25:57,819 --> 01:25:59,463
God, fuck!
2024
01:25:59,487 --> 01:26:01,899
I need you
to get this pine cone down!
2025
01:26:01,923 --> 01:26:05,302
Oh, my God! Where are you going?
2026
01:26:05,326 --> 01:26:07,962
To get the pine cone down!
2027
01:26:08,263 --> 01:26:09,807
[Audrey] I called Tedd, crying,
2028
01:26:09,831 --> 01:26:13,201
begged him to get me out
of this shit show.
2029
01:26:13,535 --> 01:26:16,104
And I'll never forget
what he said.
2030
01:26:16,504 --> 01:26:19,884
He said, "The only way you're
getting out of this film
2031
01:26:19,908 --> 01:26:21,543
is in a body bag."
2032
01:26:24,412 --> 01:26:27,291
You just make up your mind,
I will do whatever you want.
2033
01:26:27,315 --> 01:26:30,361
Just choose one thing
and I will fucking...
2034
01:26:30,385 --> 01:26:31,562
[Christopher]
You'll do whatever I want?
2035
01:26:31,586 --> 01:26:32,930
I will, I will do
whatever you want.
2036
01:26:32,954 --> 01:26:35,924
[Christopher] That's fantastic.
Quit! Quit.
2037
01:26:37,292 --> 01:26:38,569
Quit. Leave the set.
2038
01:26:38,593 --> 01:26:41,605
I can't fire you 'cause I, I
already fired, uh, Barb,
2039
01:26:41,629 --> 01:26:43,140
tried to, then they killed her.
2040
01:26:43,164 --> 01:26:44,341
Greata, tried,
then they killed her.
2041
01:26:44,365 --> 01:26:45,876
Well, hopefully,
they'll fucking kill me.
2042
01:26:45,900 --> 01:26:48,212
[Christopher] I... God, you're
preaching to the fucking choir!
2043
01:26:48,236 --> 01:26:50,047
But if you want to avoid that,
2044
01:26:50,071 --> 01:26:52,106
why don't you just walk off
the set?
2045
01:26:52,340 --> 01:26:54,185
You know what I mean?
Wouldn't that be easier?
2046
01:26:54,209 --> 01:26:55,586
You just let go.
2047
01:26:55,610 --> 01:26:57,488
Imagine someone has their hands
around your throat, okay?
2048
01:26:57,512 --> 01:26:58,822
Just tell me what you want...
2049
01:26:58,846 --> 01:27:00,357
[Christopher] And they're...
I want you to quit.
2050
01:27:00,381 --> 01:27:01,759
I just want you to die.
You're struggling.
2051
01:27:01,783 --> 01:27:03,494
You're fighting back.
Just let go.
2052
01:27:03,518 --> 01:27:06,797
Let darkness take you.
Return to the void.
2053
01:27:06,821 --> 01:27:08,599
Just let go. There it is.
2054
01:27:08,623 --> 01:27:10,401
There it is. She's letting go.
2055
01:27:10,425 --> 01:27:12,937
We see that? Let go. Okay.
2056
01:27:12,961 --> 01:27:14,038
Keep letting go.
2057
01:27:14,062 --> 01:27:15,406
Beautiful. Can we roll?
2058
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:18,866
-We rolling? Okay. Let go.
-[Ivan] Yeah, we're rolling.
2059
01:27:19,434 --> 01:27:22,770
[Christopher] This is beautiful.
All right. And action.
2060
01:27:23,838 --> 01:27:25,416
[heavy breathing]
2061
01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:28,452
No, you're holding on.
Let go. Let go!
2062
01:27:28,476 --> 01:27:30,654
No, don't make a snow angel.
There it is!
2063
01:27:30,678 --> 01:27:31,623
She let go.
2064
01:27:31,647 --> 01:27:33,891
Pace can say he hated Audrey
all he wants,
2065
01:27:33,915 --> 01:27:36,760
but he did all of this
very intentionally to get
2066
01:27:36,784 --> 01:27:39,230
the performance out of her
that he wanted.
2067
01:27:39,254 --> 01:27:40,788
And it worked.
2068
01:27:41,522 --> 01:27:43,167
[shallow breathing]
2069
01:27:43,191 --> 01:27:46,470
If you're lucky enough to get
out of here with your life,
2070
01:27:46,494 --> 01:27:49,473
you better thank whatever God
you pray to.
2071
01:27:49,497 --> 01:27:50,941
[sinister laughing]
2072
01:27:50,965 --> 01:27:52,610
[Christopher] You don't work
with people like Audrey.
2073
01:27:52,634 --> 01:27:54,578
You subvert them.
You survive them.
2074
01:27:54,602 --> 01:27:57,181
You participate
in little wars against them.
2075
01:27:57,205 --> 01:28:00,275
Small coups. You undermine them.
2076
01:28:01,209 --> 01:28:03,387
And you hope to God
that they die
2077
01:28:03,411 --> 01:28:05,189
of some sort of coronary event
2078
01:28:05,213 --> 01:28:07,157
before they ever complete
whatever task
2079
01:28:07,181 --> 01:28:08,850
they have set out on.
2080
01:28:09,684 --> 01:28:11,119
[grumbles]
2081
01:28:11,419 --> 01:28:14,265
Which brings us
to Audrey's attempted murder.
2082
01:28:14,289 --> 01:28:16,700
As you have seen,
even someone as gifted
2083
01:28:16,724 --> 01:28:18,469
as gifted as
The Hollywood Killer
2084
01:28:18,493 --> 01:28:21,972
was not able to complete
a scene with her.
2085
01:28:21,996 --> 01:28:23,974
Or was he?
2086
01:28:23,998 --> 01:28:31,806
[unsettling music]
2087
01:29:32,433 --> 01:29:34,402
[gasps] [screams]
2088
01:29:41,175 --> 01:29:43,554
Despite...
2089
01:29:43,578 --> 01:29:47,491
having all of the circumstances
2090
01:29:47,515 --> 01:29:49,626
that allowed him to complete
2091
01:29:49,650 --> 01:29:53,297
these previous murders
successfully abdicates.
2092
01:29:53,321 --> 01:29:56,100
Have you seen the video?
He lets her go.
2093
01:29:56,124 --> 01:29:58,669
[choking] Help!
2094
01:29:58,693 --> 01:30:02,239
[choking] [bellowing]
2095
01:30:02,263 --> 01:30:06,067
[panting] [grunts] Help!
2096
01:30:06,467 --> 01:30:07,845
Production on Dissident wrapped
2097
01:30:07,869 --> 01:30:09,580
two days
after the attempted murder,
2098
01:30:09,604 --> 01:30:11,782
and as of the recording
of this interview,
2099
01:30:11,806 --> 01:30:14,409
The Hollywood Killer
has stopped,
2100
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:17,321
leading many people
to believe that the killings
2101
01:30:17,345 --> 01:30:19,690
were motivated
by the killer's desire
2102
01:30:19,714 --> 01:30:21,616
to shut down Dissident.
2103
01:30:22,250 --> 01:30:23,861
With that in mind,
2104
01:30:23,885 --> 01:30:27,422
I want to look back
at all of the suspects.
2105
01:30:27,722 --> 01:30:29,800
Christopher Pace swore
2106
01:30:29,824 --> 01:30:32,836
that he would do anything
to protect his film,
2107
01:30:32,860 --> 01:30:35,072
even burn it to the ground.
2108
01:30:35,096 --> 01:30:39,209
Lawrence Hughes was devastated
with Ava leaving him
2109
01:30:39,233 --> 01:30:42,012
and vowed to destroy the film.
2110
01:30:42,036 --> 01:30:43,013
Tedd Mankiewicz,
2111
01:30:43,037 --> 01:30:45,249
with a billion-dollar divorce
looming,
2112
01:30:45,273 --> 01:30:49,153
his reputation on the line,
and an ego-shattering affair
2113
01:30:49,177 --> 01:30:51,121
between Dustin and Barbera,
2114
01:30:51,145 --> 01:30:55,793
some say Dissident hurt Tedd
more than anyone else.
2115
01:30:55,817 --> 01:30:59,563
No one wanted the film to end
more than Dustin.
2116
01:30:59,587 --> 01:31:02,399
His downward spiral
of heartbreak, addiction,
2117
01:31:02,423 --> 01:31:07,462
and death took him to the edge
and pushed him right off.
2118
01:31:07,728 --> 01:31:12,342
Melvin Asher, on his quest
for perfection, as an actor,
2119
01:31:12,366 --> 01:31:15,746
Melvin made it clear
that he would destroy anyone
2120
01:31:15,770 --> 01:31:17,915
who stood in his way.
2121
01:31:17,939 --> 01:31:19,950
When I started,
I thought I was trying
2122
01:31:19,974 --> 01:31:22,019
to find something like
the Zodiac Killer.
2123
01:31:22,043 --> 01:31:25,389
But the longer this went on,
the more I realized this may be
2124
01:31:25,413 --> 01:31:28,392
more of
a Orient Express situation.
2125
01:31:28,416 --> 01:31:30,594
All the suspects were isolated,
2126
01:31:30,618 --> 01:31:34,798
fed disinformation,
then weaponized with rage.
2127
01:31:34,822 --> 01:31:37,668
Hollywood Killer's
cinematic fingerprint
2128
01:31:37,692 --> 01:31:39,636
is different
in each of the murders.
2129
01:31:39,660 --> 01:31:41,505
We are watching
different killers
2130
01:31:41,529 --> 01:31:43,674
working from the same script.
2131
01:31:43,698 --> 01:31:46,877
But the question is,
who wrote it?
2132
01:31:46,901 --> 01:31:50,514
After 20 years
of profiling serial killers,
2133
01:31:50,538 --> 01:31:52,749
there's one thing
I can tell you.
2134
01:31:52,773 --> 01:31:54,985
There's no way one suspect
2135
01:31:55,009 --> 01:31:56,887
could have killed
all three victims.
2136
01:31:56,911 --> 01:31:59,456
And there's no way
these people work together.
2137
01:31:59,480 --> 01:32:01,925
So after considering
all possibilities,
2138
01:32:01,949 --> 01:32:04,528
only one person stood to benefit
2139
01:32:04,552 --> 01:32:06,463
from all three deaths.
2140
01:32:06,487 --> 01:32:08,832
The man who owns 20%
of the film,
2141
01:32:08,856 --> 01:32:11,602
who kept the cameras rolling
the whole time,
2142
01:32:11,626 --> 01:32:14,638
and used the murders
of these three actresses
2143
01:32:14,662 --> 01:32:18,141
to launch the most impactful
marketing campaign
2144
01:32:18,165 --> 01:32:20,001
in cinema history.
2145
01:32:24,038 --> 01:32:26,283
They say there's nothing
more deceptive
2146
01:32:26,307 --> 01:32:27,885
than an obvious fact.
2147
01:32:27,909 --> 01:32:31,922
And the fact is
the mastermind of all of this
2148
01:32:31,946 --> 01:32:36,093
was there the whole time,
hiding in plain sight.
2149
01:32:36,117 --> 01:32:38,795
I've been working on this
documentary for a long time.
2150
01:32:38,819 --> 01:32:41,932
And I think when it comes out
and people see this,
2151
01:32:41,956 --> 01:32:44,592
they're going to think
that you did this on purpose.
2152
01:32:45,159 --> 01:32:46,937
You know what?
2153
01:32:46,961 --> 01:32:51,275
This world is all about
the court of public opinion.
2154
01:32:51,299 --> 01:32:53,143
And I'm not interested in it.
2155
01:32:53,167 --> 01:32:55,812
I'm just interested
in creating art.
2156
01:32:55,836 --> 01:32:59,016
Hopefully, my work will be
judged by the art that I leave,
2157
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:00,217
that I create.
2158
01:33:00,241 --> 01:33:02,486
There's no denying that.
Dissident is a masterpiece
2159
01:33:02,510 --> 01:33:05,522
and the biggest movie
of all time.
2160
01:33:05,546 --> 01:33:07,624
And it changed
the film industry forever.
2161
01:33:07,648 --> 01:33:11,085
I know.
I think that's my legacy.
2162
01:33:14,055 --> 01:33:15,832
[Thomas] So I guess
the question I wanna know,
2163
01:33:15,856 --> 01:33:18,001
and I guess the question
everybody wants to know, is,
2164
01:33:18,025 --> 01:33:20,227
did you know
this was gonna happen?
2165
01:33:25,366 --> 01:33:28,378
Every great cinematic villain
has that moment
2166
01:33:28,402 --> 01:33:29,947
when they reveal their plan.
2167
01:33:29,971 --> 01:33:33,216
They do it because they know,
no matter what they say,
2168
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:34,718
you can't stop it.
2169
01:33:34,742 --> 01:33:37,521
But Demy's plan was
to change Hollywood forever.
2170
01:33:37,545 --> 01:33:38,956
And he did that.
2171
01:33:38,980 --> 01:33:42,192
Give someone a mirror
and they will see themselves.
2172
01:33:42,216 --> 01:33:45,195
Give them art
and you will see their soul.
2173
01:33:45,219 --> 01:33:49,566
And now his masterpiece
is complete.
2174
01:33:49,590 --> 01:33:53,260
[Christopher] We burned
through $90 million of film.
2175
01:33:53,527 --> 01:33:54,771
[Mervin] If you ruin this movie,
2176
01:33:54,795 --> 01:33:55,973
I'll have you killed.
2177
01:33:55,997 --> 01:33:57,541
[John] What does it take
to be an actor?
2178
01:33:57,565 --> 01:33:58,775
[Ava] Do you think
I'm gonna die?
2179
01:33:58,799 --> 01:34:00,377
[Anne] I got that murder energy.
2180
01:34:00,401 --> 01:34:03,013
Does yelling make a scene good?
2181
01:34:03,037 --> 01:34:04,615
[Audrey] The only way
you're getting out of here
2182
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:05,816
is in a body bag.
2183
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:07,184
[Man] There are no
second takes in life.
2184
01:34:07,208 --> 01:34:09,620
[Demy] It's unfortunate
the way it is all laid out.
2185
01:34:09,644 --> 01:34:11,521
[indistinct]
2186
01:34:11,545 --> 01:34:12,889
I don't want to die.
2187
01:34:12,913 --> 01:34:15,225
[Lawrence] I miss her more
than any human being
2188
01:34:15,249 --> 01:34:16,426
that's ever lived.
2189
01:34:16,450 --> 01:34:18,095
[Christopher] They hear
that level of passion.
2190
01:34:18,119 --> 01:34:19,830
They hear that level
of commitment.
2191
01:34:19,854 --> 01:34:21,765
And they want to be
involved in it.
2192
01:34:21,789 --> 01:34:23,266
[Demy] Why do you watch this?
2193
01:34:23,290 --> 01:34:25,535
[Dustin] What I'm here for
is for that image.
2194
01:34:25,559 --> 01:34:27,838
[Christopher] Now we're going
to have to improvise.
2195
01:34:27,862 --> 01:34:30,007
[Anne] You find out about
three women
2196
01:34:30,031 --> 01:34:32,242
starring in this
one movie all die.
2197
01:34:32,266 --> 01:34:34,144
[John] You don't get news
like that every day.
2198
01:34:34,168 --> 01:34:35,812
[Christopher] Making a film
requires
2199
01:34:35,836 --> 01:34:37,347
the greatest sacrifice.
2200
01:34:37,371 --> 01:34:40,017
[Dustin] He might be the best
director that we've ever seen.
2201
01:34:40,041 --> 01:34:41,718
[Demy] And it's often
reputation.
2202
01:34:41,742 --> 01:34:43,353
That's the intent
of all my work.
2203
01:34:43,377 --> 01:34:46,690
[Christopher] I can just do
things that I normally...
2204
01:34:46,714 --> 01:34:48,091
Do you know how many actresses
2205
01:34:48,115 --> 01:34:49,993
have died trying
to make this film?
2206
01:34:50,017 --> 01:34:52,095
[Thomas] It's the greatest
story ever told.
2207
01:34:52,119 --> 01:34:54,665
And Hollywood didn't write it.
2208
01:34:54,689 --> 01:35:02,689
[uplifting music]
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