1 00:00:02,302 --> 00:00:07,083 [reel buzzing and whirring] 2 00:00:07,107 --> 00:00:14,347 [foreboding music] 3 00:00:15,148 --> 00:00:21,321 [heart beating] 4 00:00:22,422 --> 00:00:29,129 [music intensifies to threatening] 5 00:00:32,432 --> 00:00:35,602 [muffled chopper blades chuffing] 6 00:00:40,006 --> 00:00:44,620 [dramatic sting] 7 00:00:44,644 --> 00:00:49,315 [music fades] 8 00:00:53,086 --> 00:00:59,035 [retro electronic buzz] 9 00:00:59,059 --> 00:01:04,330 [reel buzzing and whirring] 10 00:01:04,831 --> 00:01:10,637 [monochrome era jingle playing] 11 00:01:15,675 --> 00:01:18,020 [somber music] 12 00:01:18,044 --> 00:01:21,824 [Male Narrator] Between 2018 and 2022, 13 00:01:21,848 --> 00:01:23,592 three actresses were murdered 14 00:01:23,616 --> 00:01:26,195 during production of the film Dissident 15 00:01:26,219 --> 00:01:29,556 by an individual known as The Hollywood Killer. 16 00:01:31,991 --> 00:01:36,806 THK attempted a fourth murder on actress Audrey Evans, 17 00:01:36,830 --> 00:01:39,999 who escaped and went on to finish the film. 18 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,711 The only evidence that exists 19 00:01:42,735 --> 00:01:46,582 is the footage of the murders that THK filmed 20 00:01:46,606 --> 00:01:50,119 and outtakes from the film Dissident. 21 00:01:50,143 --> 00:01:52,779 The case remains unsolved. 22 00:01:53,713 --> 00:01:58,218 [music continues] 23 00:02:05,692 --> 00:02:11,531 [unsettling music] 24 00:02:26,746 --> 00:02:30,083 Killing isn't as scary as it sounds. 25 00:02:30,683 --> 00:02:34,921 When you do it enough, you actually start to enjoy it. 26 00:02:37,724 --> 00:02:40,169 Cut, don't move, stay there. Dustin, 27 00:02:40,193 --> 00:02:41,537 I got a question for you. 28 00:02:41,561 --> 00:02:43,672 -Are you a killer? -Yes. 29 00:02:43,696 --> 00:02:45,541 Yeah? Let me see your eyes. I can't see them. 30 00:02:45,565 --> 00:02:47,576 Look at me. Are you a killer? 31 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,478 -Yes. -Go back over there. 32 00:02:49,502 --> 00:02:50,813 -Are you a fucking killer? -Yes. 33 00:02:50,837 --> 00:02:52,414 That's crazy 'cause I don't fucking believe you. 34 00:02:52,438 --> 00:02:53,616 -Are you a killer? -Yes. 35 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:54,850 -Are you a killer? -[aggressively] Yes. 36 00:02:54,874 --> 00:02:55,785 -You're a killer? -Yes! 37 00:02:55,809 --> 00:02:57,086 -You're gonna kill for me? -[tensed] Yes. 38 00:02:57,110 --> 00:02:57,988 -You're gonna kill for me? -Yes. 39 00:02:58,012 --> 00:02:59,688 Okay. Wait. 40 00:02:59,712 --> 00:03:01,290 -Roll camera. -[Man] [indistinct]. 41 00:03:01,314 --> 00:03:02,625 [Director] You a killer, Dustin? 42 00:03:02,649 --> 00:03:03,859 [brooding] Yes. 43 00:03:03,883 --> 00:03:05,218 [Director] Action. 44 00:03:07,487 --> 00:03:10,523 Killing isn't as scary as it sounds. 45 00:03:11,090 --> 00:03:15,461 When you do it enough, you actually start to enjoy it. 46 00:03:17,297 --> 00:03:25,297 [classical strings music] 47 00:03:29,809 --> 00:03:37,717 [music obscures into eerie and triumphant] 48 00:04:01,507 --> 00:04:09,507 [abstract piano music] 49 00:04:10,783 --> 00:04:12,394 [Thomas] My name is Thomas Scott. 50 00:04:12,418 --> 00:04:14,263 I'm a former FBI agent. 51 00:04:14,287 --> 00:04:15,764 And when I was at the Bureau, 52 00:04:15,788 --> 00:04:20,436 I had the highest success rate of any profiler in history. 53 00:04:20,460 --> 00:04:23,239 I caught every single serial killer 54 00:04:23,263 --> 00:04:25,932 I ever chased, except for one. 55 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:29,335 This one, The Hollywood Killer. 56 00:04:29,602 --> 00:04:32,615 Also known as THK, he became famous 57 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:35,618 because of the cinematic nature of his crimes. 58 00:04:35,642 --> 00:04:40,155 He was the first serial killer ever to film the murders 59 00:04:40,179 --> 00:04:42,057 and upload them to the Internet. 60 00:04:42,081 --> 00:04:44,593 But why is he so hard to catch? 61 00:04:44,617 --> 00:04:47,162 Is it the lack of evidence? No. 62 00:04:47,186 --> 00:04:50,532 I've solved plenty of cases with very little evidence. 63 00:04:50,556 --> 00:04:53,502 The real challenge lies in the unconventional 64 00:04:53,526 --> 00:04:56,005 and peculiar nature of the suspects. 65 00:04:56,029 --> 00:04:57,172 And let me just say, 66 00:04:57,196 --> 00:05:01,043 this is the strangest group of suspects I've ever seen. 67 00:05:01,067 --> 00:05:02,544 Christopher Pace, 68 00:05:02,568 --> 00:05:04,446 the writer and director of Dissident 69 00:05:04,470 --> 00:05:06,515 and a six-time Oscar winner. 70 00:05:06,539 --> 00:05:07,816 Lawrence Hughes, 71 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:11,377 one of the most respected actors in the world. 72 00:05:12,011 --> 00:05:13,055 Tedd Mankiewicz, 73 00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:15,991 the most powerful manager in Hollywood. 74 00:05:16,015 --> 00:05:20,162 Dustin Scott, a former teen heartthrob. 75 00:05:20,186 --> 00:05:21,664 And Melvin Asher, 76 00:05:21,688 --> 00:05:25,501 the biggest box office star ever. 77 00:05:25,525 --> 00:05:28,604 And one of them could be responsible for the murders 78 00:05:28,628 --> 00:05:31,707 of three of the most famous actresses in history. 79 00:05:31,731 --> 00:05:36,569 Ava Bergman, Barbera Ball, and Greata Daniels. 80 00:05:36,869 --> 00:05:39,815 It's important to understand what connects everyone. 81 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,817 And the thing that links the suspects, 82 00:05:41,841 --> 00:05:45,688 the victims, and the killer all together 83 00:05:45,712 --> 00:05:47,289 is the film Dissident, 84 00:05:47,313 --> 00:05:51,560 a film which has made history for a variety of reasons. 85 00:05:51,584 --> 00:05:54,363 The first being that the original director, 86 00:05:54,387 --> 00:05:56,231 Christopher Demy, did something 87 00:05:56,255 --> 00:05:57,933 that he had never done before, 88 00:05:57,957 --> 00:05:59,935 that no one had ever done before. 89 00:05:59,959 --> 00:06:02,438 He was going to let the cameras roll 90 00:06:02,462 --> 00:06:04,306 when no one knew they were rolling. 91 00:06:04,330 --> 00:06:08,310 The only people that knew was the guy who loads the film 92 00:06:08,334 --> 00:06:10,112 and Ivan who's shooting the film. 93 00:06:10,136 --> 00:06:12,448 The writer didn't know. The actors didn't know. 94 00:06:12,472 --> 00:06:13,649 No one else knew. 95 00:06:13,673 --> 00:06:16,752 All of the outtakes have become evidence 96 00:06:16,776 --> 00:06:20,456 in the largest murder case in history. 97 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,624 So Demy, right at the beginning of the project, 98 00:06:22,648 --> 00:06:24,393 instructed me very clearly 99 00:06:24,417 --> 00:06:27,387 that the camera was never to be cut. 100 00:06:27,653 --> 00:06:31,633 And, at first, it sounded very strange. 101 00:06:31,657 --> 00:06:33,402 I've never done that before. 102 00:06:33,426 --> 00:06:35,738 I've shot everything in my life. 103 00:06:35,762 --> 00:06:39,608 But not cutting a camera just makes no sense. 104 00:06:39,632 --> 00:06:43,145 Now, he was right because what he was after 105 00:06:43,169 --> 00:06:47,149 was the magic that happens in between the shots, 106 00:06:47,173 --> 00:06:48,517 in between the takes. 107 00:06:48,541 --> 00:06:53,222 So this film shot the most feet of film 108 00:06:53,246 --> 00:06:54,456 ever in history. 109 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,458 The logistic is complicated, 110 00:06:56,482 --> 00:06:58,594 but the camera was never to cut. 111 00:06:58,618 --> 00:07:02,021 So everything was rolling at all times. 112 00:07:03,656 --> 00:07:05,801 [Thomas] So how do you feel about the fact 113 00:07:05,825 --> 00:07:08,961 that the cameras were rolling the whole time? 114 00:07:09,595 --> 00:07:14,610 Uh, you know, I think it's ultimately, uh, irrelevant, 115 00:07:14,634 --> 00:07:16,645 how do I feel. 116 00:07:16,669 --> 00:07:18,881 Uh, clearly, I'm not a performer. 117 00:07:18,905 --> 00:07:21,984 It's not what I get enjoyment or pleasure out of. 118 00:07:22,008 --> 00:07:24,520 So I think that there's this misconception 119 00:07:24,544 --> 00:07:26,655 about the way that I conduct myself 120 00:07:26,679 --> 00:07:28,557 is, in and of itself, a performance 121 00:07:28,581 --> 00:07:31,660 that I was aware that the cameras were rolling. 122 00:07:31,684 --> 00:07:33,495 Uh, nothing could be further from the truth. 123 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:35,030 Uh, unfortunately, what you are getting 124 00:07:35,054 --> 00:07:39,835 is, um, unadulterated, uh, reality. 125 00:07:39,859 --> 00:07:42,738 You are getting me as I am in those moments. 126 00:07:42,762 --> 00:07:43,906 Or I will make the blood 127 00:07:43,930 --> 00:07:45,407 come out of your fucking mouth for real. 128 00:07:45,431 --> 00:07:46,542 You got it. 129 00:07:46,566 --> 00:07:47,410 [Christopher] You ever bled like this? 130 00:07:47,434 --> 00:07:48,777 You.. Yeah. 131 00:07:48,801 --> 00:07:50,078 -Yeah? You bled like this? -You already got it. 132 00:07:50,102 --> 00:07:52,714 Think about the last time you bled like this, okay? 133 00:07:52,738 --> 00:07:54,841 Think about it. Just think about it, okay? 134 00:07:55,708 --> 00:07:57,152 Again. Come on! 135 00:07:57,176 --> 00:08:00,022 [panicked breathing] 136 00:08:00,046 --> 00:08:01,890 -Yeah? Uh-huh. No, no! -Okay, can I go? 137 00:08:01,914 --> 00:08:04,493 [Christopher] You got to stop running away from it, okay? 138 00:08:04,517 --> 00:08:07,062 Don't be afraid of it! Stay with it! 139 00:08:07,086 --> 00:08:08,163 Again! 140 00:08:08,187 --> 00:08:09,798 [panicked breathing] 141 00:08:09,822 --> 00:08:11,300 -[Christopher] Uh-huh. -Okay... 142 00:08:11,324 --> 00:08:13,602 No, no. It looks like you're going to have a fucking orgasm. 143 00:08:13,626 --> 00:08:14,803 Thank you, guys! 144 00:08:14,827 --> 00:08:16,538 [Christopher] Get back down in the blood! 145 00:08:16,562 --> 00:08:17,773 Get the fuck back in the blood! 146 00:08:17,797 --> 00:08:19,308 -[Greata] Bye! -Greata, I swear to God! 147 00:08:19,332 --> 00:08:20,709 Come back here! 148 00:08:20,733 --> 00:08:23,612 If any of us knew the cameras were rolling at all times, 149 00:08:23,636 --> 00:08:25,848 none of us would have acted the way we did. 150 00:08:25,872 --> 00:08:28,517 I'm excited that all this footage exists, 151 00:08:28,541 --> 00:08:31,019 because it shows you the hell 152 00:08:31,043 --> 00:08:34,523 that we go through just to entertain people. 153 00:08:34,547 --> 00:08:37,226 -Marty? Marty! -[Marty] Yeah. 154 00:08:37,250 --> 00:08:38,360 Listen to me. 155 00:08:38,384 --> 00:08:40,262 I can feel your effort 156 00:08:40,286 --> 00:08:43,799 to drive straight through the rubber and aluminum. 157 00:08:43,823 --> 00:08:45,501 Do not drive like an actor, Marty! 158 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:46,735 [Actress] Hold the window. 159 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:48,270 -Do not drive like an actor! -[Actress] Go away! 160 00:08:48,294 --> 00:08:50,205 -Drive like a fucking man! -[Actress] Go away! 161 00:08:50,229 --> 00:08:52,307 Drive like a man! 162 00:08:52,331 --> 00:08:53,575 In the history of movie making, 163 00:08:53,599 --> 00:08:54,810 I've never seen anything like this happen. 164 00:08:54,834 --> 00:08:57,980 I mean, I've made 218 movies. 165 00:08:58,004 --> 00:09:00,716 I've filmed in 40 countries in the world. 166 00:09:00,740 --> 00:09:06,212 I've had six fucking wives, and this is unprecedented. 167 00:09:06,612 --> 00:09:08,557 You can't talk about Hollywood lore 168 00:09:08,581 --> 00:09:10,850 without talking about three films. 169 00:09:11,117 --> 00:09:15,197 Apocalypse Now, The Wizard of Oz, and Dissident. 170 00:09:15,221 --> 00:09:18,901 But to understand why Dissident is on that list, 171 00:09:18,925 --> 00:09:21,436 we have to meet the original architect, 172 00:09:21,460 --> 00:09:22,638 Christopher Demy. 173 00:09:22,662 --> 00:09:23,872 [Thomas] Can you tell me a little bit 174 00:09:23,896 --> 00:09:26,098 about who you are and what you do? 175 00:09:28,668 --> 00:09:30,102 I'm an auteur. 176 00:09:30,937 --> 00:09:32,047 You know what that means? 177 00:09:32,071 --> 00:09:35,050 That means someone who has a clear vision 178 00:09:35,074 --> 00:09:37,486 of the kind of films they want to make. 179 00:09:37,510 --> 00:09:39,821 And the films I make are big, 180 00:09:39,845 --> 00:09:42,124 and people seem to like them. 181 00:09:42,148 --> 00:09:44,293 [Thomas] Demy is one of the top-grossing directors 182 00:09:44,317 --> 00:09:45,527 of all time, 183 00:09:45,551 --> 00:09:47,696 but Dissident was written by one 184 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,731 of the hottest screenwriters in the world, 185 00:09:49,755 --> 00:09:51,266 Christopher Pace. 186 00:09:51,290 --> 00:09:54,870 So I was excited to ask Pace what he thought about Demy. 187 00:09:54,894 --> 00:09:56,638 He's a lost little boy. 188 00:09:56,662 --> 00:10:00,475 Um, still playing with toys, 189 00:10:00,499 --> 00:10:04,913 believing that big explosions 190 00:10:04,937 --> 00:10:08,083 and, uh, rotating cameras 191 00:10:08,107 --> 00:10:11,887 and putting things in reverse make a film. 192 00:10:11,911 --> 00:10:15,223 He is an artist in search of art. 193 00:10:15,247 --> 00:10:17,993 Um, I don't know what to say about that. 194 00:10:18,017 --> 00:10:23,565 I will let the hearsay, the pundits, the Internet, 195 00:10:23,589 --> 00:10:27,202 your mama, say whatever they want to say. 196 00:10:27,226 --> 00:10:28,761 I know who I am. 197 00:10:29,128 --> 00:10:32,007 It's easy to say they're not fans of each other. 198 00:10:32,031 --> 00:10:34,643 Maybe the biggest issue between them was the fact 199 00:10:34,667 --> 00:10:36,511 that Demy kept the cameras rolling 200 00:10:36,535 --> 00:10:38,213 without Pace's knowledge. 201 00:10:38,237 --> 00:10:40,849 Pace claimed that Demy used the controversy 202 00:10:40,873 --> 00:10:42,884 around the outtakes and their feud 203 00:10:42,908 --> 00:10:45,821 to turn the film into a social commentary. 204 00:10:45,845 --> 00:10:48,581 So I asked him, "What does it mean?" 205 00:10:48,848 --> 00:10:50,659 Everyone wants to know, "What does it mean? 206 00:10:50,683 --> 00:10:52,451 What does it mean?" 207 00:10:52,752 --> 00:10:54,630 It's whatever the fuck you want it to mean. 208 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:55,864 It's like, what the fuck? 209 00:10:55,888 --> 00:10:57,633 I'm not supposed to do all the work for you. 210 00:10:57,657 --> 00:10:58,934 I'm supposed to lay out the art. 211 00:10:58,958 --> 00:11:00,669 I know what the fuck I know what it means, 212 00:11:00,693 --> 00:11:02,304 but people, "But wait, was it this?" 213 00:11:02,328 --> 00:11:04,439 They stop me on the street. I can't go to Starbucks. 214 00:11:04,463 --> 00:11:06,541 "Hi, hey, Chris, is it this?" 215 00:11:06,565 --> 00:11:07,709 I'm like, "I don't know." 216 00:11:07,733 --> 00:11:09,411 It could mean female independence. 217 00:11:09,435 --> 00:11:10,779 It could mean liberation. 218 00:11:10,803 --> 00:11:13,348 It could mean, uh, deconstructive masculinity. 219 00:11:13,372 --> 00:11:14,650 You name it. 220 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:16,351 Whatever it is, that's what I'm happy with. 221 00:11:16,375 --> 00:11:19,287 I create the art. You create the interpretation. 222 00:11:19,311 --> 00:11:23,258 All I know is that what I did on this film 223 00:11:23,282 --> 00:11:25,327 will be deconstructed, 224 00:11:25,351 --> 00:11:30,532 and reinterpreted, and pondered for many, many years 225 00:11:30,556 --> 00:11:33,335 in film schools across this land. 226 00:11:33,359 --> 00:11:37,263 I was there the day Demy walked away from the film. 227 00:11:37,663 --> 00:11:39,307 It was the day that I would never forget 228 00:11:39,331 --> 00:11:42,644 and it was the day that changed the film forever. 229 00:11:42,668 --> 00:11:43,912 The phone booth day. 230 00:11:43,936 --> 00:11:45,847 Listen to me, Demy! How about that? 231 00:11:45,871 --> 00:11:47,282 How about if I just talked to you 232 00:11:47,306 --> 00:11:49,284 and told you that I am not a writer, 233 00:11:49,308 --> 00:11:51,920 nor am I a hero? I am the fucking devil! 234 00:11:51,944 --> 00:11:52,954 Yeah, two Oscars. 235 00:11:52,978 --> 00:11:54,890 I melted 'em down into a pen 236 00:11:54,914 --> 00:11:56,758 and I wrote this fucking script with it! 237 00:11:56,782 --> 00:11:58,060 I don't give a fuck about your Oscars! 238 00:11:58,084 --> 00:12:00,896 And if you could honestly tell me that this scene, 239 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,798 the way it's going, the way he's doing it, 240 00:12:02,822 --> 00:12:05,534 isn't fucking dog shit, then I will walk away 241 00:12:05,558 --> 00:12:07,102 and let you piss all over my dream. 242 00:12:07,126 --> 00:12:10,796 I won't shoot until you get down on your knees and pray to me. 243 00:12:11,931 --> 00:12:14,342 You want to get a new phone booth in here, maybe? 244 00:12:14,366 --> 00:12:15,377 So after we wrap tonight, 245 00:12:15,401 --> 00:12:17,813 I'm going to come to your fucking hotel room, 246 00:12:17,837 --> 00:12:19,514 room 246, 247 00:12:19,538 --> 00:12:22,651 and I will beat you until you fucking love me! 248 00:12:22,675 --> 00:12:23,685 [Demy] You're not a fucking... 249 00:12:23,709 --> 00:12:25,087 You see that? That was... 250 00:12:25,111 --> 00:12:26,388 [Demy] You're fucking trash. 251 00:12:26,412 --> 00:12:28,323 You fucking ingest it over and over again 252 00:12:28,347 --> 00:12:29,958 while I'm throwing the fuck up on you. 253 00:12:29,982 --> 00:12:32,227 I'm fucking vomiting it all back to you! 254 00:12:32,251 --> 00:12:34,896 You're fucked up! That's not fucking art! 255 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,823 Fuck you! Fuck you! 256 00:12:38,491 --> 00:12:41,436 Oh, in the beginning, Demy and Pace were a dream team. 257 00:12:41,460 --> 00:12:44,139 They were great. They got along really well. 258 00:12:44,163 --> 00:12:48,300 But, you know, even Pippen talks shit on Jordan now. 259 00:12:49,568 --> 00:12:50,612 I hate this man. 260 00:12:50,636 --> 00:12:51,813 -Mm-hmm. -I would love to beat him. 261 00:12:51,837 --> 00:12:53,515 The only reason I can't is because of... 262 00:12:53,539 --> 00:12:55,250 Well, some obscure DJ law, you're not supposed 263 00:12:55,274 --> 00:12:57,853 to fucking kick the shit out of [indistinct] 264 00:12:57,877 --> 00:12:59,755 Um, this is an awful environment, 265 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:01,356 and I apologize for that. 266 00:13:01,380 --> 00:13:04,760 [Martin] The moment Pace walked into that phone booth 267 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:07,362 was the moment Demy walked off set. 268 00:13:07,386 --> 00:13:08,830 Forever. 269 00:13:08,854 --> 00:13:11,600 When Demy quit, Hollywood was riddled 270 00:13:11,624 --> 00:13:15,804 with speculation as to why this massive director 271 00:13:15,828 --> 00:13:18,631 would walk from such a big movie. 272 00:13:19,031 --> 00:13:21,943 Those people have no idea where I come from 273 00:13:21,967 --> 00:13:23,612 and the kind of worlds that I create 274 00:13:23,636 --> 00:13:25,413 and the kind of sets that I create. 275 00:13:25,437 --> 00:13:27,883 The real reason why I quit is because I just couldn't take 276 00:13:27,907 --> 00:13:29,384 working with Pace. 277 00:13:29,408 --> 00:13:30,752 So I left the film, 278 00:13:30,776 --> 00:13:34,189 and the press labeled me as a monster. 279 00:13:34,213 --> 00:13:36,324 You know, I'm not even gonna name the monsters, 280 00:13:36,348 --> 00:13:38,059 but there are many monsters in this industry 281 00:13:38,083 --> 00:13:40,753 and I'm definitely not one of them. 282 00:13:41,053 --> 00:13:42,931 At this point, we were three weeks behind schedule 283 00:13:42,955 --> 00:13:45,333 after two weeks of shooting. 284 00:13:45,357 --> 00:13:46,868 You do that math. 285 00:13:46,892 --> 00:13:48,470 I knew from the first production meeting 286 00:13:48,494 --> 00:13:51,540 that Pace and Demy would never be able to work together. 287 00:13:51,564 --> 00:13:54,233 The only one who understands Dissident is Pace. 288 00:13:54,633 --> 00:13:56,912 [Christopher] You'll never be able to understand Dissident 289 00:13:56,936 --> 00:13:58,947 without understanding a theatrical technique 290 00:13:58,971 --> 00:14:00,773 called theater of cruelty. 291 00:14:01,106 --> 00:14:02,751 That is what Dissident is. 292 00:14:02,775 --> 00:14:04,586 Dissident is theater of cruelty. 293 00:14:04,610 --> 00:14:07,989 The principle conceit of theater of cruelty 294 00:14:08,013 --> 00:14:10,859 was to create theatrical pieces 295 00:14:10,883 --> 00:14:12,260 that were so shocking, 296 00:14:12,284 --> 00:14:15,797 that were so upsetting, grotesque, uh, and powerful 297 00:14:15,821 --> 00:14:19,100 that the audience did not have the opportunity to think. 298 00:14:19,124 --> 00:14:22,170 They had nothing to do but live, but to exist, 299 00:14:22,194 --> 00:14:24,139 but to experience what they were seeing. 300 00:14:24,163 --> 00:14:26,608 I told Demy, just like I told Mocker, 301 00:14:26,632 --> 00:14:28,276 just like I told Mankiewicz, 302 00:14:28,300 --> 00:14:30,145 that nobody could shoot this movie but me. 303 00:14:30,169 --> 00:14:32,848 And yet Demy, finding himself 304 00:14:32,872 --> 00:14:34,883 caught between the Scylla and Charybdis, 305 00:14:34,907 --> 00:14:38,253 the crashing rocks of my creation 306 00:14:38,277 --> 00:14:41,790 and the sea monster of trying to interpret it, 307 00:14:41,814 --> 00:14:45,751 he realizes that he's drowning and he starts a fight with me. 308 00:14:46,218 --> 00:14:48,988 He wanted a reason to walk off that set. 309 00:14:50,656 --> 00:14:52,758 And I gave it to him. 310 00:14:53,158 --> 00:14:55,837 So when Demy quit before he walked out of the set, 311 00:14:55,861 --> 00:14:59,140 he pulled me aside and he made me promise 312 00:14:59,164 --> 00:15:03,168 that I would keep rolling the camera in between takes. 313 00:15:03,469 --> 00:15:04,746 So I did. 314 00:15:04,770 --> 00:15:06,281 We started working together. 315 00:15:06,305 --> 00:15:08,149 You said one thing, you said, "I make it look good," okay? 316 00:15:08,173 --> 00:15:09,351 But this does not look good. 317 00:15:09,375 --> 00:15:10,919 You don't let me make it look good. 318 00:15:10,943 --> 00:15:12,520 I don't let you? How could I stop you? 319 00:15:12,544 --> 00:15:13,521 You choose the lenses. 320 00:15:13,545 --> 00:15:15,790 Of course I'm gonna choose the lenses. 321 00:15:15,814 --> 00:15:17,826 This is my fucking film. It is my job. 322 00:15:17,850 --> 00:15:19,327 -It's my lens, though. -No, no, no. 323 00:15:19,351 --> 00:15:21,863 I feel like you really struggle with object permanence, okay? 324 00:15:21,887 --> 00:15:23,498 It's not your lens. 325 00:15:23,522 --> 00:15:27,302 What Demy didn't know when he asked Ivan to do this 326 00:15:27,326 --> 00:15:30,672 was that this footage would lead to Christopher Pace 327 00:15:30,696 --> 00:15:34,142 being a murder suspect and would soon be part 328 00:15:34,166 --> 00:15:37,078 of one of the largest murder investigations 329 00:15:37,102 --> 00:15:38,880 in Hollywood history. 330 00:15:38,904 --> 00:15:41,116 But let's start with Pace taking over 331 00:15:41,140 --> 00:15:43,752 as the director of Dissident. 332 00:15:43,776 --> 00:15:44,886 You're here, right? 333 00:15:44,910 --> 00:15:46,821 Like this and then boom, like that. 334 00:15:46,845 --> 00:15:48,089 -Did you see me? -Yeah. 335 00:15:48,113 --> 00:15:50,458 But it's a motion! It comes up! 336 00:15:50,482 --> 00:15:51,459 Ow! 337 00:15:51,483 --> 00:15:54,420 I still remember the day that Pace took over. 338 00:15:54,853 --> 00:15:56,831 It is a day that will live in infamy 339 00:15:56,855 --> 00:15:59,625 as the worst day of my life. 340 00:16:00,059 --> 00:16:01,670 Give me your hand. This one, right here. 341 00:16:01,694 --> 00:16:02,538 -All right, ready? -Yeah. 342 00:16:02,562 --> 00:16:03,905 -Put your finger out like that. -Yeah. 343 00:16:03,929 --> 00:16:05,774 All right? Now I want you to poke me. 344 00:16:05,798 --> 00:16:06,875 Poke me. Come on. Poke me. 345 00:16:06,899 --> 00:16:08,543 -Yeah, there we go. Uh-huh. -Mm-hmm. 346 00:16:08,567 --> 00:16:10,111 -It's getting difficult, right? -Yeah. 347 00:16:10,135 --> 00:16:11,646 -Why don't you fucking poke me? -[grunts aggressively] 348 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:12,681 Right? Okay. 349 00:16:12,705 --> 00:16:15,450 Now I want you to ask me to do the same thing. 350 00:16:15,474 --> 00:16:18,186 I want you to poke me. Ah, fucker! 351 00:16:18,210 --> 00:16:19,955 -Stop trying to win, Dustin. -God damn. 352 00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:21,480 And fucking listen to me. 353 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,725 Pace made my life a living hell. 354 00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:26,328 I remember getting a call from Dustin's manager 355 00:16:26,352 --> 00:16:29,097 saying that he was trying to kill him with a helicopter. 356 00:16:29,121 --> 00:16:37,121 [triumphant music] 357 00:16:37,730 --> 00:16:39,007 Personally, I thought 358 00:16:39,031 --> 00:16:40,976 the helicopter should have been closer, 359 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,036 but the film industry is full of pussies. 360 00:16:44,503 --> 00:16:47,983 Pace is one of the smartest directors out there. 361 00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:50,986 He knows everything about everything in film. 362 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:52,387 He did his homework. 363 00:16:52,411 --> 00:16:55,156 He's a contemporary of Tarantino in that way. 364 00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:57,058 He's younger, but he's as smart, 365 00:16:57,082 --> 00:16:59,194 and he has a really, really deep perception. 366 00:16:59,218 --> 00:17:01,596 He used the neorealist aspect 367 00:17:01,620 --> 00:17:07,435 in order to reinvent cinema from himself. 368 00:17:07,459 --> 00:17:10,171 And here's something that Pace said to me at one point, 369 00:17:10,195 --> 00:17:11,539 which I think is interesting. 370 00:17:11,563 --> 00:17:13,608 There's a quote from Chaplin, famous quote. 371 00:17:13,632 --> 00:17:18,279 Life when viewed in close-up is a tragedy, 372 00:17:18,303 --> 00:17:21,649 and in long shot, it is a, uh, a comedy. 373 00:17:21,673 --> 00:17:24,319 Pace said to me, "Chaplin got it wrong. 374 00:17:24,343 --> 00:17:26,087 "In close-up, it's a comedy. 375 00:17:26,111 --> 00:17:29,190 In long shot, that's when it's a tragedy." 376 00:17:29,214 --> 00:17:30,892 The thing that people don't realize 377 00:17:30,916 --> 00:17:32,394 is they're just playing checkers. 378 00:17:32,418 --> 00:17:35,263 Pace is playing four-dimensional chess. 379 00:17:35,287 --> 00:17:36,831 [Christopher] Okay, Zeus, I need you 380 00:17:36,855 --> 00:17:39,034 in conversation with the wind. 381 00:17:39,058 --> 00:17:41,102 I want you to think about, uh, 382 00:17:41,126 --> 00:17:43,338 it's like My Dinner with Andre. 383 00:17:43,362 --> 00:17:46,074 Give me Wallace Shawn! 384 00:17:46,098 --> 00:17:48,309 That's beautiful! Beautiful work. 385 00:17:48,333 --> 00:17:50,945 Okay, Audrey, I want you to know 386 00:17:50,969 --> 00:17:52,614 that the helicopter pilot 387 00:17:52,638 --> 00:17:56,418 has a better understanding of human emotion than you do. 388 00:17:56,442 --> 00:17:58,686 You're a titan of banality! 389 00:17:58,710 --> 00:18:01,790 Hey, you know what, Ivan? Ivan, I don't... 390 00:18:01,814 --> 00:18:04,025 Just film something. I don't even care anymore. 391 00:18:04,049 --> 00:18:05,584 Just shoot it. 392 00:18:05,884 --> 00:18:10,131 Every director has their tactic, their, their method. 393 00:18:10,155 --> 00:18:13,368 And Pace says he's a Meisner guy, 394 00:18:13,392 --> 00:18:14,569 and he's really method, 395 00:18:14,593 --> 00:18:17,639 and he likes to exist in the, the situation. 396 00:18:17,663 --> 00:18:21,476 But, really, his tactics are a lot like Mein Kampf, 397 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:22,877 you know, like, like Hitler. 398 00:18:22,901 --> 00:18:25,947 Like, he's the son of Hitler, I'm pretty sure. 399 00:18:25,971 --> 00:18:29,617 We get these constant comparisons 400 00:18:29,641 --> 00:18:35,423 to the Fourth Reich, to the Nazis, to Hitler. 401 00:18:35,447 --> 00:18:38,259 Um, when these comparisons are made, 402 00:18:38,283 --> 00:18:39,727 it's about methodology, right? 403 00:18:39,751 --> 00:18:41,629 Because the prevailing mythology 404 00:18:41,653 --> 00:18:45,433 around the fascists is, yes, they were awful, 405 00:18:45,457 --> 00:18:48,036 yes, they were brutes, yes, they were genocidal, 406 00:18:48,060 --> 00:18:51,339 but the trains ran on time, but they got things done. 407 00:18:51,363 --> 00:18:54,709 So I get this comparison, I assume, 408 00:18:54,733 --> 00:18:57,278 because the idea is that I am brutal, 409 00:18:57,302 --> 00:18:58,613 but I get things done. 410 00:18:58,637 --> 00:19:03,218 Well, I get things done not because of cruelty, 411 00:19:03,242 --> 00:19:07,889 not because I am willing to wipe out people 412 00:19:07,913 --> 00:19:10,225 in order to accomplish my goals, no, no, no. 413 00:19:10,249 --> 00:19:13,928 It is perpetual motion. It is Oppenheim. 414 00:19:13,952 --> 00:19:15,487 I am become death. 415 00:19:15,754 --> 00:19:18,233 Because once something has, uh, begun, 416 00:19:18,257 --> 00:19:20,301 once, once the ball is rolling, 417 00:19:20,325 --> 00:19:22,961 it has to reach its conclusion. 418 00:19:23,328 --> 00:19:25,640 And that is, that is how I work. 419 00:19:25,664 --> 00:19:29,535 Once I have begun, uh, I will not be stopped. 420 00:19:29,968 --> 00:19:32,046 This is not about you. You know what is about you? 421 00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:33,915 This moment, this scene, okay? 422 00:19:33,939 --> 00:19:35,216 So I want you to focus on that. 423 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,885 I don't give a shit about anything else around it. 424 00:19:36,909 --> 00:19:38,086 No, no, no. This. 425 00:19:38,110 --> 00:19:39,320 You know why I put the gloves on? 426 00:19:39,344 --> 00:19:40,488 -No. -So that I can hurt you 427 00:19:40,512 --> 00:19:42,214 without leaving marks on my skin. 428 00:19:42,581 --> 00:19:44,959 Pace didn't care what the scene was. 429 00:19:44,983 --> 00:19:47,929 I mean, hell, he'd have walked in on the birth of Christ 430 00:19:47,953 --> 00:19:49,264 and given Mary instructions 431 00:19:49,288 --> 00:19:51,900 how she could do it better and with more meaning. 432 00:19:51,924 --> 00:19:53,268 You know what, Dustin? 433 00:19:53,292 --> 00:19:55,336 I've been watching the monitor and it seems to me 434 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:57,205 that you're starting to perspire. 435 00:19:57,229 --> 00:19:59,398 Does that seem accurate to you? 436 00:19:59,665 --> 00:20:01,309 I'm having an issue with the sweat. 437 00:20:01,333 --> 00:20:02,510 I need you to stop that. 438 00:20:02,534 --> 00:20:04,312 I mean, for us, a cut was never a cut. 439 00:20:04,336 --> 00:20:06,648 We just kept the camera rolling all the time 440 00:20:06,672 --> 00:20:08,116 because we got some great stuff, 441 00:20:08,140 --> 00:20:09,817 because Pace was compelling people 442 00:20:09,841 --> 00:20:12,778 to do things they might not have wanted to do. 443 00:20:13,111 --> 00:20:17,425 Yeah, Pace had a way of taking anything and everything 444 00:20:17,449 --> 00:20:18,760 that brought you joy 445 00:20:18,784 --> 00:20:20,762 and just drowning it in darkness. 446 00:20:20,786 --> 00:20:22,397 -Are you crying? -No, I'm not crying... 447 00:20:22,421 --> 00:20:25,066 No, no, no. No, no. There's no crying. 448 00:20:25,090 --> 00:20:26,601 There's no crying in filmmaking! 449 00:20:26,625 --> 00:20:28,536 No! There's no crying in film! 450 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,463 There is crying on film! On film, never in film. 451 00:20:32,531 --> 00:20:35,601 What I say to my actors 452 00:20:37,402 --> 00:20:39,147 is between us. 453 00:20:39,171 --> 00:20:42,074 It has no bearing on anything 454 00:20:42,507 --> 00:20:45,377 but what you see in that frame. 455 00:20:45,844 --> 00:20:47,622 There's a lot of tension between you guys. 456 00:20:47,646 --> 00:20:48,990 [loud helicopter chuffing] 457 00:20:49,014 --> 00:20:51,426 Normally that would be okay. In this section, not good. 458 00:20:51,450 --> 00:20:53,494 Okay? So I need you to release the tension. 459 00:20:53,518 --> 00:20:54,862 At the end of the next take, 460 00:20:54,886 --> 00:20:57,966 I just want the two of you guys to just have sex, okay? 461 00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:59,367 And we're gonna film it, 462 00:20:59,391 --> 00:21:01,436 but be prepared to stop and start 463 00:21:01,460 --> 00:21:04,272 because I will have adjustments specifically for you. 464 00:21:04,296 --> 00:21:06,274 Hey, pay attention, okay? 465 00:21:06,298 --> 00:21:08,409 Pace is one of the most mysterious people 466 00:21:08,433 --> 00:21:09,577 I've ever investigated. 467 00:21:09,601 --> 00:21:12,146 He's an orphan with no family, 468 00:21:12,170 --> 00:21:15,383 no friends, and no discernible past. 469 00:21:15,407 --> 00:21:19,420 In fact, the only person we could find to interview 470 00:21:19,444 --> 00:21:22,156 who knew him before he was famous 471 00:21:22,180 --> 00:21:23,715 was his college roommate. 472 00:21:24,883 --> 00:21:26,294 My name is Randall Birch. 473 00:21:26,318 --> 00:21:27,695 I'm a Tony Award-winning actor. 474 00:21:27,719 --> 00:21:30,355 That means I perform on the stage. 475 00:21:30,622 --> 00:21:33,534 And Christopher Pace was my college roommate. 476 00:21:33,558 --> 00:21:36,371 I would describe living with Christopher Pace 477 00:21:36,395 --> 00:21:41,175 as, as a FOG: Fear, Obligation, Guilt. 478 00:21:41,199 --> 00:21:44,145 He was masterful at getting anyone 479 00:21:44,169 --> 00:21:45,647 besides myself, I would say, 480 00:21:45,671 --> 00:21:49,817 to do exactly what he wanted, no matter how depraved. 481 00:21:49,841 --> 00:21:52,553 They were like cult members, and he was a cult leader. 482 00:21:52,577 --> 00:21:56,658 When I saw the first video posted on social media of Ava, 483 00:21:56,682 --> 00:22:00,461 I immediately called the LAPD, and I told them, 484 00:22:00,485 --> 00:22:02,864 Christopher Pace is the one that did this murder. 485 00:22:02,888 --> 00:22:05,633 It was filmed exactly like how Christopher would film 486 00:22:05,657 --> 00:22:07,535 everything that went on in our house. 487 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,338 I think it's fascinating that we've had 488 00:22:10,362 --> 00:22:12,674 famous serial killers throughout time, 489 00:22:12,698 --> 00:22:16,501 and yet no one else filmed the act. 490 00:22:17,536 --> 00:22:22,741 I think the idea that Christopher Pace did that 491 00:22:23,108 --> 00:22:25,086 makes a lot of sense to me. 492 00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:26,254 I can tell you this. 493 00:22:26,278 --> 00:22:29,348 Pace is definitely a murderer. 494 00:22:29,781 --> 00:22:31,526 I just don't know if he's the murderer. 495 00:22:31,550 --> 00:22:34,128 I will stab you in the fucking throat, Tedd. 496 00:22:34,152 --> 00:22:35,363 -I will do it. Okay? -Do it. 497 00:22:35,387 --> 00:22:36,531 You'll never work again. Do it. 498 00:22:36,555 --> 00:22:38,099 I don't need to work. I could work in prison. 499 00:22:38,123 --> 00:22:39,300 I'd put on a prison play 500 00:22:39,324 --> 00:22:40,635 that would win a fucking Oscar, all right? 501 00:22:40,659 --> 00:22:42,236 And I would fuck all the inmates. 502 00:22:42,260 --> 00:22:44,472 Is he out of his fucking mind? 503 00:22:44,496 --> 00:22:45,907 No doubt about it. 504 00:22:45,931 --> 00:22:49,935 But when you're a genius, people have to tolerate you. 505 00:22:50,235 --> 00:22:52,246 And that's what Pace is. 506 00:22:52,270 --> 00:22:53,839 He's a genius. 507 00:22:54,106 --> 00:22:57,476 I am all things to all people. 508 00:22:58,510 --> 00:23:00,488 I am Mother. 509 00:23:00,512 --> 00:23:02,414 I am Father. 510 00:23:02,748 --> 00:23:07,586 I am killer, I am saint, I am devil, I am savior. 511 00:23:07,986 --> 00:23:12,700 I am Idi Amin and I am also Gandhi. 512 00:23:12,724 --> 00:23:15,002 -You know what this is? -That's film. 513 00:23:15,026 --> 00:23:16,137 Yeah, this is the film 514 00:23:16,161 --> 00:23:17,772 from that really tight profile shot I got of you. 515 00:23:17,796 --> 00:23:19,407 I just ripped it out of the fucking camera. 516 00:23:19,431 --> 00:23:20,808 -You know why I did that? -No. 517 00:23:20,832 --> 00:23:23,311 Because I can't fucking use it. 518 00:23:23,335 --> 00:23:25,713 I can't use any of this shit, Dustin. 519 00:23:25,737 --> 00:23:27,949 Because Pace didn't start as the director, 520 00:23:27,973 --> 00:23:30,084 he didn't get to choose the cast. 521 00:23:30,108 --> 00:23:34,012 But the one person he did get was Ava Bergman. 522 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,625 I ain't afraid of dying. 523 00:23:37,649 --> 00:23:39,518 I already done it. 524 00:23:42,521 --> 00:23:44,966 Ava was Pace's muse. 525 00:23:44,990 --> 00:23:48,136 The whole movie, the whole concept of the movie was her. 526 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,673 I don't want to say that I wrote the role for her 527 00:23:52,697 --> 00:23:55,977 because I don't write roles for actors. 528 00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:59,580 I am, I am haunted by a character. 529 00:23:59,604 --> 00:24:02,483 They live inside my, my brain. 530 00:24:02,507 --> 00:24:04,085 Uh, they destroy my life. 531 00:24:04,109 --> 00:24:09,023 And then to prevent suicide, I write them onto a paper. 532 00:24:09,047 --> 00:24:13,227 And when I finished with this, with this woman, 533 00:24:13,251 --> 00:24:14,429 uh, she was Ava. 534 00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:15,730 Talk to me. What do you need? 535 00:24:15,754 --> 00:24:18,166 Uh, I'm just not sure that I... 536 00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:20,234 -What? -Okay. Um... 537 00:24:20,258 --> 00:24:21,402 You're not sure that what? 538 00:24:21,426 --> 00:24:24,839 That I really understand, uh, the character at this point. 539 00:24:24,863 --> 00:24:27,341 You are the character. What is there to understand? 540 00:24:27,365 --> 00:24:28,876 She was his Scarlet Empress. 541 00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:33,748 She was his Marlene Dietrich to Josef von Sternberg. 542 00:24:33,772 --> 00:24:36,317 If von Sternberg had lost Dietrich, 543 00:24:36,341 --> 00:24:38,052 this would have been a big hole 544 00:24:38,076 --> 00:24:39,220 in the history of cinema 545 00:24:39,244 --> 00:24:42,557 uh, and some images that were amazing and shocking. 546 00:24:42,581 --> 00:24:46,627 I think it was a real blow, um, to Pace 547 00:24:46,651 --> 00:24:47,862 uh, when this happened. 548 00:24:47,886 --> 00:24:51,399 And I think that it turned him 549 00:24:51,423 --> 00:24:54,068 into a dissident toward his own movie, 550 00:24:54,092 --> 00:24:55,236 which was Dissident. 551 00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:56,938 Quit ripping the film out of the fucking camera! 552 00:24:56,962 --> 00:24:58,639 What are you going to use it for, Tedd? 553 00:24:58,663 --> 00:24:59,841 Quit ripping the fuckin' film! 554 00:24:59,865 --> 00:25:01,676 What do you want me to do with it, Tedd? 555 00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:03,044 At least look at the dailies, motherfucker! 556 00:25:03,068 --> 00:25:04,912 I don't need to see the dailies! I do all the scenes, Tedd! 557 00:25:04,936 --> 00:25:07,748 [Melvin] People think Pace's issues started with Barbera, 558 00:25:07,772 --> 00:25:09,417 but the fact of the matter is 559 00:25:09,441 --> 00:25:11,953 it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows with Ava, either. 560 00:25:11,977 --> 00:25:15,122 Pace was in pursuit of perfection. 561 00:25:15,146 --> 00:25:18,426 And from what I saw, Ava couldn't give it to him. 562 00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:19,861 -I think we can drill down... -Okay. 563 00:25:19,885 --> 00:25:21,329 And start doing something interesting. 564 00:25:21,353 --> 00:25:24,532 I need, I need, I need somebody, I need somebody to literally, 565 00:25:24,556 --> 00:25:25,867 like, call my therapist 566 00:25:25,891 --> 00:25:27,635 because, like, she knows that when I'm stressed out, 567 00:25:27,659 --> 00:25:29,003 like, I need, like, a breathing exercise... 568 00:25:29,027 --> 00:25:31,372 I think you need to act when you're stressed out. 569 00:25:31,396 --> 00:25:32,773 I think you need to let it go. 570 00:25:32,797 --> 00:25:33,941 No, I don't think that I should. 571 00:25:33,965 --> 00:25:35,443 This is beautiful, but you gotta let it out. 572 00:25:35,467 --> 00:25:39,814 From my research, Pace never had an issue with her acting. 573 00:25:39,838 --> 00:25:42,250 He had an issue with her boyfriend, 574 00:25:42,274 --> 00:25:44,118 a man who many people say 575 00:25:44,142 --> 00:25:46,454 is the greatest actor of all time. 576 00:25:46,478 --> 00:25:49,614 Our next suspect, Lawrence Hughes. 577 00:25:50,715 --> 00:25:53,628 Welcome to the picture show! 578 00:25:53,652 --> 00:25:56,030 [reel buzzing] 579 00:25:56,054 --> 00:25:59,300 Lawrence is a unique suspect for three reasons. 580 00:25:59,324 --> 00:26:03,037 Number one, he was not in the film, Dissident. 581 00:26:03,061 --> 00:26:05,640 Two, I was not able to interview him 582 00:26:05,664 --> 00:26:08,900 while at the FBI or for this documentary. 583 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,179 And, finally, the day before Ava's murder, 584 00:26:12,203 --> 00:26:15,941 he disappeared and has not been seen since. 585 00:26:16,608 --> 00:26:18,286 So to understand Lawrence, 586 00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:21,580 let's start with his relationship with Pace. 587 00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:24,358 The only way to describe Lawrence and Pace 588 00:26:24,382 --> 00:26:26,193 is the same type of relationship 589 00:26:26,217 --> 00:26:28,529 that Werner Herzog had with Klaus Kinski. 590 00:26:28,553 --> 00:26:31,132 Herzog and Kinski were at each other's throats all the time. 591 00:26:31,156 --> 00:26:33,768 They fought constantly. They pulled guns on each other. 592 00:26:33,792 --> 00:26:35,303 They threatened to kill each other, 593 00:26:35,327 --> 00:26:36,804 walk off movies, et cetera. 594 00:26:36,828 --> 00:26:41,976 But they made five films together between 1972 and '87. 595 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,245 And they were good, good movies. 596 00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:46,781 Lawrence and Pace made The Last Great Actor, 597 00:26:46,805 --> 00:26:48,549 which some people consider 598 00:26:48,573 --> 00:26:51,543 to be the greatest film ever made. 599 00:26:51,843 --> 00:26:54,889 And often compared to Citizen Kane. 600 00:26:54,913 --> 00:26:58,125 But the truth is, without Lawrence's star power, 601 00:26:58,149 --> 00:27:00,127 there wouldn't have been a film. 602 00:27:00,151 --> 00:27:03,888 And without that film, there would be no Pace. 603 00:27:04,289 --> 00:27:07,068 Reality is that movie wouldn't have been made without him. 604 00:27:07,092 --> 00:27:08,703 I was nobody. 605 00:27:08,727 --> 00:27:11,296 And he took a massive risk by signing on to it. 606 00:27:11,596 --> 00:27:14,108 And despite everything that's happened between us since, 607 00:27:14,132 --> 00:27:16,277 I will always be grateful to him for that. 608 00:27:16,301 --> 00:27:19,747 [Ivan] When Lawrence signed on to do The Last Great Actor, 609 00:27:19,771 --> 00:27:21,115 I was shocked. 610 00:27:21,139 --> 00:27:26,120 Um, he had not done a movie that small in a long time. 611 00:27:26,144 --> 00:27:28,456 Lawrence is great in every movie he does. 612 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,851 But in this one, he delivered the performance of a lifetime. 613 00:27:33,151 --> 00:27:36,864 When I was a kid, you know, I had this little bunk bed. 614 00:27:36,888 --> 00:27:40,392 And my, uh, my brother would sleep underneath me. 615 00:27:42,193 --> 00:27:44,238 So I climbed down one night. I couldn't sleep. 616 00:27:44,262 --> 00:27:45,873 I was thinking about scary stuff, you know? 617 00:27:45,897 --> 00:27:51,178 And, uh, there's this little sculpture of a rattlesnake. 618 00:27:51,202 --> 00:27:53,748 It was my dad's favorite, favorite sculpture. 619 00:27:53,772 --> 00:27:56,441 He got it in Arizona. I don't know. 620 00:27:56,908 --> 00:27:58,753 I wanted to see it. I wanted to play with it. 621 00:27:58,777 --> 00:28:01,288 So I grabbed it down and I looked at it. 622 00:28:01,312 --> 00:28:04,625 And all of a sudden, it slipped from my hands 623 00:28:04,649 --> 00:28:07,152 and just shattered into a million pieces. 624 00:28:09,421 --> 00:28:11,322 All of a sudden, my... 625 00:28:11,623 --> 00:28:13,267 My dad flings open the door 626 00:28:13,291 --> 00:28:16,704 and he makes his face just like this. 627 00:28:16,728 --> 00:28:18,773 And his hands got so big! 628 00:28:18,797 --> 00:28:21,876 And then he started wailing on me and my brother! 629 00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:24,445 Just beating the living piss out of us! 630 00:28:24,469 --> 00:28:26,947 And my brother's in the corner of the bed just, 631 00:28:26,971 --> 00:28:30,942 "Ah! Dad! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no! 632 00:28:32,010 --> 00:28:33,945 No!" 633 00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:37,382 And then my dad just shuts the door and he leaves! 634 00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:40,961 And there's my brother, Luke, 635 00:28:40,985 --> 00:28:45,299 and he's in the corner, and he's just like, "Why?" 636 00:28:45,323 --> 00:28:47,468 "Why would he do that? 637 00:28:47,492 --> 00:28:50,171 "Why would he come in in the middle of the night 638 00:28:50,195 --> 00:28:52,807 and just beat the shit out of us?" 639 00:28:52,831 --> 00:28:55,543 And I knew why, because I was fucking around, 640 00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:57,268 but he never knew. 641 00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:01,706 I never told him. 642 00:29:02,006 --> 00:29:04,719 [heavy breathing] Even to this day, 643 00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:06,244 I've never told him. 644 00:29:09,114 --> 00:29:10,858 Some people say that is the greatest scene 645 00:29:10,882 --> 00:29:12,326 in film history. 646 00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:14,085 Their words, not mine. 647 00:29:14,552 --> 00:29:17,598 I have written the greatest scene in film history. 648 00:29:17,622 --> 00:29:19,257 But it's not that one. 649 00:29:20,492 --> 00:29:21,769 After The Last Great Actor, 650 00:29:21,793 --> 00:29:24,004 everyone thought that Lawrence and Pace 651 00:29:24,028 --> 00:29:27,374 were, you know, the next Scorsese and De Niro. 652 00:29:27,398 --> 00:29:29,543 They made the film for $1 million 653 00:29:29,567 --> 00:29:33,013 and it grossed $120 million. 654 00:29:33,037 --> 00:29:36,250 Despite the success of the film, both men swore 655 00:29:36,274 --> 00:29:38,652 that they would never work together again. 656 00:29:38,676 --> 00:29:41,922 In fact, no one who has ever worked with Lawrence 657 00:29:41,946 --> 00:29:44,225 will work with him a second time. 658 00:29:44,249 --> 00:29:46,727 And it's not because people hate him. 659 00:29:46,751 --> 00:29:49,196 It's because they are scared of him. 660 00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:52,333 Lawrence's talent is his biggest enemy. 661 00:29:52,357 --> 00:29:53,725 [sobbing] 662 00:29:53,992 --> 00:29:56,170 I mean, about what anybody else knows about him, 663 00:29:56,194 --> 00:29:59,874 he's probably the most talented actor that's ever existed. 664 00:29:59,898 --> 00:30:02,009 This guy's dedication to his craft 665 00:30:02,033 --> 00:30:04,411 and to the arts is second to none. 666 00:30:04,435 --> 00:30:06,447 Lawrence is dedicated to performance. 667 00:30:06,471 --> 00:30:08,716 Man, if there's one guy I've always been looking up to, 668 00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:10,050 it's him. 669 00:30:10,074 --> 00:30:13,354 I discovered Lawrence when he was nine years old. 670 00:30:13,378 --> 00:30:15,589 Sometimes, I wish I really didn't 671 00:30:15,613 --> 00:30:18,726 because he never had a chance to live a normal life. 672 00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:20,427 And I feel guilty because of that. 673 00:30:20,451 --> 00:30:23,597 Yeah, I think he had unrealistic expectations 674 00:30:23,621 --> 00:30:25,399 put on him from an early age. 675 00:30:25,423 --> 00:30:28,202 And although he fulfilled them with talent, 676 00:30:28,226 --> 00:30:31,563 in his own body, he never felt like himself. 677 00:30:32,063 --> 00:30:34,241 [Christopher] Why is Lawrence a great actor? 678 00:30:34,265 --> 00:30:37,011 Uh, is it because he wins many awards? 679 00:30:37,035 --> 00:30:39,413 Is it because he commits himself 680 00:30:39,437 --> 00:30:42,016 to the roles to the detriment of himself 681 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,785 and to everyone around him? No, no, no, no. 682 00:30:44,809 --> 00:30:46,687 The hardest thing for any actor to do 683 00:30:46,711 --> 00:30:48,222 is to lose themselves, 684 00:30:48,246 --> 00:30:51,158 to give up their own humanity in place of the characters. 685 00:30:51,182 --> 00:30:54,995 Lawrence is great because he has no self to lose. 686 00:30:55,019 --> 00:30:57,464 Lawrence is not a human being. 687 00:30:57,488 --> 00:30:58,766 He is an empty shell. 688 00:30:58,790 --> 00:31:00,734 Regardless of what you see on screen, 689 00:31:00,758 --> 00:31:03,237 he is simply not there. 690 00:31:03,261 --> 00:31:07,208 Which is why he's able to do anything once the camera rolls. 691 00:31:07,232 --> 00:31:11,345 The second you call cut, the man is a disaster. 692 00:31:11,369 --> 00:31:13,981 [Thomas] Do you have any idea who the killer might be? 693 00:31:14,005 --> 00:31:19,153 Oh. If I had to pick a guy, 694 00:31:19,177 --> 00:31:21,222 I think it's Lawrence. 695 00:31:21,246 --> 00:31:23,424 Lawrence is one of these guys that, 696 00:31:23,448 --> 00:31:24,992 I don't know what they call 'em, 697 00:31:25,016 --> 00:31:27,761 but he'd get into a role and he'd stay in that role 698 00:31:27,785 --> 00:31:29,163 through the whole movie. 699 00:31:29,187 --> 00:31:30,965 I mean, whether he was in our car 700 00:31:30,989 --> 00:31:32,766 or ordering a hamburger at McDonald's, 701 00:31:32,790 --> 00:31:34,134 he'd stay in that role. 702 00:31:34,158 --> 00:31:36,904 I mean, it's a little weird when he does that. 703 00:31:36,928 --> 00:31:38,639 So, you know, when he goes home 704 00:31:38,663 --> 00:31:41,375 after playing Neil Armstrong, I think he's thinking 705 00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:43,277 he's home, walking on the moon. 706 00:31:43,301 --> 00:31:46,905 And when he goes home as a crazed murderer, 707 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:50,008 he might be a crazed murderer. 708 00:31:50,975 --> 00:31:52,620 [Harry] Working with Lawrence Hughes 709 00:31:52,644 --> 00:31:55,022 on Justice Explosion was one of the most 710 00:31:55,046 --> 00:31:57,892 rewarding experiences of my entire career. 711 00:31:57,916 --> 00:31:59,526 I often tell people, 712 00:31:59,550 --> 00:32:02,921 Lawrence is, is like a wild Mustang. 713 00:32:03,221 --> 00:32:05,032 The good part of that is one 714 00:32:05,056 --> 00:32:08,135 of the most beautiful sights you'll ever see. 715 00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:11,863 The bad side, you try to ride him, 716 00:32:12,130 --> 00:32:13,340 you'll get bucked from the saddle 717 00:32:13,364 --> 00:32:15,175 and he'll trample you to death. 718 00:32:15,199 --> 00:32:17,936 No one dedicates themselves more than Lawrence. 719 00:32:18,202 --> 00:32:20,547 On Justice Explosion, he started to lose it. 720 00:32:20,571 --> 00:32:22,316 We got calls from the cast and crew 721 00:32:22,340 --> 00:32:25,886 saying he scared someone or made someone cry every day. 722 00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:28,522 This is the reason I think people believe that Lawrence 723 00:32:28,546 --> 00:32:29,890 is The Hollywood Killer. 724 00:32:29,914 --> 00:32:33,861 I mean, he had been in over 30 films 725 00:32:33,885 --> 00:32:36,130 where he'd had to do serious stunts. 726 00:32:36,154 --> 00:32:37,998 I mean, he has a background in wrestling, 727 00:32:38,022 --> 00:32:40,301 boxing, jujitsu, wire work. 728 00:32:40,325 --> 00:32:44,405 It's really impressive, his, like, physical ability. 729 00:32:44,429 --> 00:32:45,596 And... 730 00:32:47,565 --> 00:32:50,411 he might have been the only one who was capable 731 00:32:50,435 --> 00:32:53,080 of committing some of these crimes. 732 00:32:53,104 --> 00:32:55,249 [Samuel] He's certainly got what it takes. 733 00:32:55,273 --> 00:32:57,851 Close, intimate relationship. 734 00:32:57,875 --> 00:33:00,945 Uh, disappeared after the murder. 735 00:33:01,179 --> 00:33:04,282 Plays a lot of unhinged characters. 736 00:33:04,682 --> 00:33:06,860 Known for not ever breaking character, 737 00:33:06,884 --> 00:33:08,595 even when the film is long gone. 738 00:33:08,619 --> 00:33:11,298 So he's living split personality day to day. 739 00:33:11,322 --> 00:33:13,534 And in some ways, I really admire that. 740 00:33:13,558 --> 00:33:15,602 [Thomas] Aside from his connection to Pace, 741 00:33:15,626 --> 00:33:19,273 Lawrence was also connected to Dissident in another way, 742 00:33:19,297 --> 00:33:22,066 through his relationship with Ava. 743 00:33:22,467 --> 00:33:25,212 Ava and Lawrence were together on and off for three years. 744 00:33:25,236 --> 00:33:27,181 But during production of Dissident, 745 00:33:27,205 --> 00:33:29,450 Ava ended things with him for good. 746 00:33:29,474 --> 00:33:33,378 And this sent Lawrence into a downward spiral. 747 00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:37,024 Despite a restraining order, Lawrence kept showing up 748 00:33:37,048 --> 00:33:38,325 anywhere she was, 749 00:33:38,349 --> 00:33:41,161 and even showed up on the set of Dissident. 750 00:33:41,185 --> 00:33:42,363 -Hi. -Hi, how you doing? 751 00:33:42,387 --> 00:33:44,264 -Hey... Dustin. -Lawrence. Nice to meet you. 752 00:33:44,288 --> 00:33:46,000 -How are you? -Damn good. 753 00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:47,534 -Hi. Hi, how are you? -Hi. 754 00:33:47,558 --> 00:33:49,603 No, no, let's try it again, okay? 755 00:33:49,627 --> 00:33:53,073 Obviously, this did not go over well with Pace. 756 00:33:53,097 --> 00:33:54,308 -[Christopher] Larry Hughes? -Hey. 757 00:33:54,332 --> 00:33:56,176 My old fucking friend. How you doing? 758 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,611 -Hey... -Fucking come onto my set! 759 00:33:57,635 --> 00:33:59,847 You come onto my fucking set! Yeah? 760 00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:02,916 [Thomas] After this, Lawrence was banned from the set, 761 00:34:02,940 --> 00:34:05,309 which made him even more crazy. 762 00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:09,289 Me and my dad both begged Lawrence to stop showing up, 763 00:34:09,313 --> 00:34:12,183 but he just snapped. 764 00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:14,628 He would do anything to try and see her. 765 00:34:14,652 --> 00:34:16,663 Everyone needs to stay put. Larry's here. 766 00:34:16,687 --> 00:34:17,965 He's going crazy outside, 767 00:34:17,989 --> 00:34:19,299 and I got Ava locked in the trailer. 768 00:34:19,323 --> 00:34:20,501 So we just need to sort of, 769 00:34:20,525 --> 00:34:23,971 you know, shelter in place until, um, he's done 770 00:34:23,995 --> 00:34:25,439 with whatever rant he's going on. 771 00:34:25,463 --> 00:34:28,075 [Ivan] He kept calling me and trying to figure out 772 00:34:28,099 --> 00:34:29,843 when Ava was on a break 773 00:34:29,867 --> 00:34:33,080 and when she was stepping out for lunch or something. 774 00:34:33,104 --> 00:34:35,115 I had to stop answering his calls 775 00:34:35,139 --> 00:34:37,418 'cause he was just... freaking crazy. 776 00:34:37,442 --> 00:34:40,954 And production had security guards on the perimeter. 777 00:34:40,978 --> 00:34:43,257 He could not get anywhere near. 778 00:34:43,281 --> 00:34:45,192 -It got crazy. -He's obsessed. 779 00:34:45,216 --> 00:34:46,627 -No. -It's not healthy. 780 00:34:46,651 --> 00:34:49,229 -It's absolutely bizarre. -That's crazy. You know what? 781 00:34:49,253 --> 00:34:51,732 I'm going to keep my eyes open because that is insane, 782 00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:54,001 and I want you to be comfortable at all times on this set. 783 00:34:54,025 --> 00:34:55,369 -Thank you. Thank you. -I'm serious. 784 00:34:55,393 --> 00:34:57,071 We've been knowing each other for too long. 785 00:34:57,095 --> 00:34:58,472 Thank you. You're sweet. 786 00:34:58,496 --> 00:35:00,541 But if you, um, do you find me, like, in a vat of oil 787 00:35:00,565 --> 00:35:02,276 or, like, dismembered in the valley, 788 00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:05,712 like, just, you know, probably him. 789 00:35:05,736 --> 00:35:07,147 [Effy] Ava was over it. 790 00:35:07,171 --> 00:35:08,849 She didn't want to talk to Lawrence anymore, 791 00:35:08,873 --> 00:35:10,384 and he knew that. 792 00:35:10,408 --> 00:35:13,087 I mean, I remember her telling me that, 793 00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:15,322 uh, she was terrified of him. 794 00:35:15,346 --> 00:35:17,291 But he kept calling. 795 00:35:17,315 --> 00:35:18,692 Please calm down and listen to me! 796 00:35:18,716 --> 00:35:20,194 -[Lawrence] I am listening! -Please. 797 00:35:20,218 --> 00:35:21,428 [Lawrence] You need to make a choice. 798 00:35:21,452 --> 00:35:23,330 It's either me or the film. 799 00:35:23,354 --> 00:35:25,332 No, I'm always going to choose the film! 800 00:35:25,356 --> 00:35:27,568 [Lawrence] You'll regret this! Mark my words! 801 00:35:27,592 --> 00:35:29,870 -You'll regret this! -Babe... 802 00:35:29,894 --> 00:35:31,772 Okay, okay, okay, okay. And now what do we do? 803 00:35:31,796 --> 00:35:34,374 We go to the thing, and we block the number, right? 804 00:35:34,398 --> 00:35:36,410 Give me the finger. There we go. 805 00:35:36,434 --> 00:35:37,845 We hit that. There we go. 806 00:35:37,869 --> 00:35:40,447 -And now where do we have block? -You have to scroll down. 807 00:35:40,471 --> 00:35:42,449 We scroll down. Okay, okay. 808 00:35:42,473 --> 00:35:44,118 And now we blocked him. Look at that. 809 00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:45,419 [Ava] [crying] 810 00:35:45,443 --> 00:35:46,887 And now we don't have to worry about it ever again. 811 00:35:46,911 --> 00:35:48,889 These calls were scary. 812 00:35:48,913 --> 00:35:50,491 I mean, he would call all of us 813 00:35:50,515 --> 00:35:54,294 and just yell over and over to get Ava to pick up the phone. 814 00:35:54,318 --> 00:35:55,462 And I'll tell you this. 815 00:35:55,486 --> 00:35:57,498 Every call was worse than the last. 816 00:35:57,522 --> 00:35:59,500 [Lawrence] I'm going to destroy this film, 817 00:35:59,524 --> 00:36:01,635 and I'm going to destroy you! Okay? 818 00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:05,305 And if I, if Ava isn't on a fucking plane in 30 minutes, 819 00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:06,607 I'm going to come to that set 820 00:36:06,631 --> 00:36:09,042 and drag her off by her fucking hair! 821 00:36:09,066 --> 00:36:12,446 There are a few reasons why this clip is so important. 822 00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:16,984 One being that Lawrence says, "I will destroy this film," 823 00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:20,787 which is a theory as to why he murdered the other girls. 824 00:36:20,811 --> 00:36:24,258 The second is because this was the last call 825 00:36:24,282 --> 00:36:26,827 ever made from Lawrence's phone 826 00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:30,154 and the last time anyone heard from him. 827 00:36:30,421 --> 00:36:34,192 Ava Bergman was murdered the following day. 828 00:36:34,458 --> 00:36:37,804 [muffled screaming] 829 00:36:37,828 --> 00:36:42,910 Help... [choking] Help me! 830 00:36:42,934 --> 00:36:43,944 [grunts] 831 00:36:43,968 --> 00:36:47,414 Help! [screams] No! Please! 832 00:36:47,438 --> 00:36:50,517 Please! Help me! No! 833 00:36:50,541 --> 00:36:56,323 [choking] [gasping] [sustained exhale] 834 00:36:56,347 --> 00:37:03,321 [eerie music] 835 00:37:08,693 --> 00:37:10,828 [Demy] That's the problem these days. 836 00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:15,433 We want to show everything and be grisly. 837 00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:17,868 Detail. 838 00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:21,982 The idea that this, this fucker 839 00:37:22,006 --> 00:37:26,410 was holding a phone while he's attempting to... 840 00:37:30,815 --> 00:37:32,383 Hm. 841 00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:34,485 This is the world we live in. 842 00:37:35,486 --> 00:37:37,655 It's really fucking dark. 843 00:37:38,055 --> 00:37:41,235 [Thomas] The initial investigation by the LAPD 844 00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:43,637 uncovered no physical evidence. 845 00:37:43,661 --> 00:37:47,274 But none of that mattered, because everyone was convinced 846 00:37:47,298 --> 00:37:48,875 it was Lawrence Hughes. 847 00:37:48,899 --> 00:37:51,545 And even with an international search, 848 00:37:51,569 --> 00:37:53,380 no one could find him. 849 00:37:53,404 --> 00:37:56,407 His whereabouts remain unknown. 850 00:37:56,674 --> 00:37:59,720 Despite this tragedy, shooting for Dissident 851 00:37:59,744 --> 00:38:03,123 resumed 24 hours later with a new actress. 852 00:38:03,147 --> 00:38:06,326 After losing a lead actress in such a horrible way, 853 00:38:06,350 --> 00:38:09,296 most producers would cut their losses 854 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,265 and shut down the film. 855 00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:13,500 Tedd is not most producers. 856 00:38:13,524 --> 00:38:15,869 Now let's meet our third suspect, 857 00:38:15,893 --> 00:38:18,129 Tedd Mankiewicz. 858 00:38:18,562 --> 00:38:20,907 Like, Jesus Christ, can I get a fluffer here? 859 00:38:20,931 --> 00:38:23,510 I'm spritzin' everywhere. It's actually not even cold. 860 00:38:23,534 --> 00:38:26,246 I just, like, have to wait on my nuts. 861 00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:27,881 Got fucking drool coming out of my mouth. 862 00:38:27,905 --> 00:38:31,285 I got ball sweat. Feel like I've lost 10 pounds. 863 00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:32,719 You're like, "Did you fuck Barb?" 864 00:38:32,743 --> 00:38:34,921 And I go, "Oh, I fucked her to death, 865 00:38:34,945 --> 00:38:36,847 but I didn't kill her." 866 00:38:37,148 --> 00:38:39,760 [Thomas] First, let's start by understanding who Tedd is. 867 00:38:39,784 --> 00:38:41,328 Not only is he one of the most 868 00:38:41,352 --> 00:38:43,163 powerful people in Hollywood, 869 00:38:43,187 --> 00:38:46,500 he represented all three of the women that were murdered. 870 00:38:46,524 --> 00:38:49,936 The one who survived, two of the suspects, 871 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,574 was a suspect himself, and was having an affair 872 00:38:54,598 --> 00:38:57,678 with Barbera Ball at the time of her death, 873 00:38:57,702 --> 00:39:01,481 something that his wife was very upset about. 874 00:39:01,505 --> 00:39:03,583 All roads lead back to Tedd, okay? 875 00:39:03,607 --> 00:39:06,720 He got John into producing. He got Lawrence into acting. 876 00:39:06,744 --> 00:39:10,490 Produced Pace's first film. Made Melvin a movie star. 877 00:39:10,514 --> 00:39:11,992 Shared a lover with Dustin. 878 00:39:12,016 --> 00:39:15,319 And he's thanked more than God at the Oscars. 879 00:39:15,653 --> 00:39:17,922 I've got a soft spot for Tedd. 880 00:39:18,255 --> 00:39:20,100 He's the best manager of all time. 881 00:39:20,124 --> 00:39:22,035 But I understand that Tedd has made some enemies 882 00:39:22,059 --> 00:39:23,070 in this business. 883 00:39:23,094 --> 00:39:24,604 A lot of people hate him, 884 00:39:24,628 --> 00:39:27,874 and Pace may be at the top of that list. 885 00:39:27,898 --> 00:39:33,513 The devil never convinced the world that he did not exist. 886 00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:35,982 No. The devil exists. 887 00:39:36,006 --> 00:39:38,118 Tedd Mankiewicz exists. 888 00:39:38,142 --> 00:39:39,753 The man is real. 889 00:39:39,777 --> 00:39:43,256 And he's out there, and you all sit back and go, 890 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,325 "I don't know. I don't know. 891 00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:48,128 Is evil real? Is darkness real?" 892 00:39:48,152 --> 00:39:50,654 Look in the fucking mirror. 893 00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:54,634 I know that a lot of people talk shit about Tedd. 894 00:39:54,658 --> 00:39:56,169 -Mm-hmm. -I totally get that. 895 00:39:56,193 --> 00:40:01,875 But for me, it's like, I know that he would legit kill for me. 896 00:40:01,899 --> 00:40:04,144 I've never killed anyone for a client. 897 00:40:04,168 --> 00:40:07,905 But I would, and that's why they fucking signed with me. 898 00:40:08,305 --> 00:40:10,016 During my investigation into Tedd, 899 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:15,312 I found that he would normally do one set visit on his movies. 900 00:40:15,646 --> 00:40:20,260 On Dissident, he visited set four times a week. 901 00:40:20,284 --> 00:40:21,795 Oh, oh, ladies and gentlemen, 902 00:40:21,819 --> 00:40:23,663 can we get a round of applause here? 903 00:40:23,687 --> 00:40:24,865 You understand what's happening? 904 00:40:24,889 --> 00:40:26,733 Yeah, the Antichrist has returned. 905 00:40:26,757 --> 00:40:28,301 All right? So that means we rejoice. 906 00:40:28,325 --> 00:40:29,836 What do producers do? 907 00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:33,373 They are supposed to put together the elements 908 00:40:33,397 --> 00:40:35,499 that lead you to making the film. 909 00:40:36,567 --> 00:40:38,278 Why would that entitle them 910 00:40:38,302 --> 00:40:40,738 to be on the set once it's begun? 911 00:40:42,072 --> 00:40:44,317 Their job is prologue. 912 00:40:44,341 --> 00:40:45,886 They are the preamble. 913 00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:49,423 They are the Greek chorus before the play begins. 914 00:40:49,447 --> 00:40:52,716 Once the story starts, fuck off. 915 00:40:53,951 --> 00:40:57,188 The moment Tedd Mankiewicz arrives on set, 916 00:40:58,189 --> 00:41:00,367 whole energy shifts. 917 00:41:00,391 --> 00:41:02,803 [Tedd] The luckiest day of your life is when you met me. 918 00:41:02,827 --> 00:41:04,004 [Christopher] What are you talking about? 919 00:41:04,028 --> 00:41:05,572 [Tedd] Everyone says you suck now, 920 00:41:05,596 --> 00:41:07,307 and this movie will never be 921 00:41:07,331 --> 00:41:08,608 as good as The Last Great Actor. 922 00:41:08,632 --> 00:41:09,709 [Christopher] This movie will never be 923 00:41:09,733 --> 00:41:11,178 as good as The Last Great Actor? 924 00:41:11,202 --> 00:41:12,412 [Tedd] Yeah, totally. 925 00:41:12,436 --> 00:41:13,680 [Christopher] You think maybe that's because you're standing 926 00:41:13,704 --> 00:41:14,881 in the middle of my fucking shot? 927 00:41:14,905 --> 00:41:16,216 [Martin] And if that wasn't bad enough, 928 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,318 the motherfucker would walk in and show you 929 00:41:18,342 --> 00:41:20,044 how to do your scene. 930 00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:23,890 This is how you cock a gun. 931 00:41:23,914 --> 00:41:26,159 There's two things you need to be able to do 932 00:41:26,183 --> 00:41:27,461 to be a movie star. 933 00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:28,953 Kiss the girl... 934 00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:32,098 and fire a gun. 935 00:41:32,122 --> 00:41:35,235 -And you can't do either. -Just don't overthink it. 936 00:41:35,259 --> 00:41:37,504 Acting is so fucking easy. 937 00:41:37,528 --> 00:41:38,805 Most of the time, these people 938 00:41:38,829 --> 00:41:41,141 just get so caught up in their own heads. 939 00:41:41,165 --> 00:41:42,275 They're lazy. 940 00:41:42,299 --> 00:41:45,078 Most of them don't have talent to begin with. 941 00:41:45,102 --> 00:41:47,147 So I show up and I show them what to do. 942 00:41:47,171 --> 00:41:50,450 I don't know why so many people get offended by this. 943 00:41:50,474 --> 00:41:52,185 Do you think Reese Witherspoon blinks? 944 00:41:52,209 --> 00:41:53,054 No. 945 00:41:53,078 --> 00:41:54,688 Do you think Nicole Kidman blinks? 946 00:41:54,712 --> 00:41:56,914 -No. -Then why would you blink? 947 00:41:57,481 --> 00:41:58,725 I don't know. 948 00:41:58,749 --> 00:42:00,393 Give me more Meryl Streep. 949 00:42:00,417 --> 00:42:01,828 Okay. [heavy breathing] 950 00:42:01,852 --> 00:42:04,088 Look at the camera and don't blink. 951 00:42:05,789 --> 00:42:07,167 Tedd was like a steamroller. 952 00:42:07,191 --> 00:42:09,960 He'd come in there and intimidate everybody. 953 00:42:10,661 --> 00:42:16,309 [grunts] [groans painfully] 954 00:42:16,333 --> 00:42:19,779 [Smitty] Yeah, every so often, I would go up to Ivan and say, 955 00:42:19,803 --> 00:42:22,015 "You sure you want me to keep this camera rolling?" 956 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,518 I mean, some of the circumstances 957 00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:26,577 were a little sketchy. 958 00:42:26,877 --> 00:42:28,889 Tedd Mankiewicz was a fucking animal. 959 00:42:28,913 --> 00:42:30,657 Did he know what he was doing? Sure. 960 00:42:30,681 --> 00:42:32,559 Yes, okay. Was he very good at his job? 961 00:42:32,583 --> 00:42:36,096 Also, yes. The man was a fucking animal. 962 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,965 To understand why Tedd is a suspect, 963 00:42:38,989 --> 00:42:41,701 we have to talk about Barbera Ball, 964 00:42:41,725 --> 00:42:43,637 the second murder victim, 965 00:42:43,661 --> 00:42:46,339 and how she ended up in Dissident. 966 00:42:46,363 --> 00:42:50,510 Barbera made a name for herself when she was cast in Breathe 967 00:42:50,534 --> 00:42:52,746 alongside Lawrence Hughes. 968 00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:57,417 [classic jazz music playing] 969 00:42:57,441 --> 00:42:59,043 [speaking French] 970 00:43:00,144 --> 00:43:03,123 I believe I went to school with that chap. 971 00:43:03,147 --> 00:43:06,617 [speaking French] 972 00:43:10,321 --> 00:43:12,156 Should I go approach him? 973 00:43:12,957 --> 00:43:14,134 Oui. 974 00:43:14,158 --> 00:43:16,036 Your French isn't that good anymore. 975 00:43:16,060 --> 00:43:20,040 -I think you need some practice. -Good enough. 976 00:43:20,064 --> 00:43:21,608 Whatever you say. 977 00:43:21,632 --> 00:43:23,133 On y va. 978 00:43:25,069 --> 00:43:27,871 Every actress in the world wanted that role. 979 00:43:28,238 --> 00:43:31,075 But my dad made sure that Barbera got it. 980 00:43:31,442 --> 00:43:35,322 After the success of Breathe, Tedd cast Barbera in Dissident 981 00:43:35,346 --> 00:43:37,891 without ever talking to Pace about it. 982 00:43:37,915 --> 00:43:39,492 Pace is quoted as saying 983 00:43:39,516 --> 00:43:42,929 he hated Barbera Ball more than his own mother, 984 00:43:42,953 --> 00:43:45,155 who abandoned him as a child. 985 00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:48,101 [indistinct] 986 00:43:48,125 --> 00:43:50,503 Barbera, am I looking at the monitor? 987 00:43:50,527 --> 00:43:51,771 I can't, I can't tell. 988 00:43:51,795 --> 00:43:53,139 There's four cameras on this fucking scene. 989 00:43:53,163 --> 00:43:55,041 One of them can probably see it. I can't see it. 990 00:43:55,065 --> 00:43:56,843 I'm not watching the camera. I'm watching you. 991 00:43:56,867 --> 00:43:58,511 I'm watching your reaction. You know what I see? 992 00:43:58,535 --> 00:43:59,879 -What? -I see fear. 993 00:43:59,903 --> 00:44:00,914 Why do I see fear? 994 00:44:00,938 --> 00:44:02,382 This gun has got no bullets in it. 995 00:44:02,406 --> 00:44:03,650 It's not even a real gun. 996 00:44:03,674 --> 00:44:04,818 I mean, let me show you something, Barbera. 997 00:44:04,842 --> 00:44:06,519 You see this? All right? This is my fucking gun. 998 00:44:06,543 --> 00:44:09,756 This shit's loaded. Am I afraid? No! 999 00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:13,484 [Thomas] You wanted Barbera taken out of the film. 1000 00:44:13,784 --> 00:44:14,894 -Why? -Absolutely. 1001 00:44:14,918 --> 00:44:17,230 Uh, because she's not very good. 1002 00:44:17,254 --> 00:44:20,934 So, uh, once she was forced upon me, 1003 00:44:20,958 --> 00:44:22,769 I did what anyone does 1004 00:44:22,793 --> 00:44:25,071 when they are put in a compromising situation 1005 00:44:25,095 --> 00:44:26,439 that they did not ask to be in. 1006 00:44:26,463 --> 00:44:29,476 They try to get out. And that's what I did. 1007 00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:31,811 -How much does she want this? -A lot more than this film. 1008 00:44:31,835 --> 00:44:33,346 Okay, so then why is she here? 1009 00:44:33,370 --> 00:44:36,316 Wouldn't you rather spend it on the film rather than her? 1010 00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:37,284 Think about it. 1011 00:44:37,308 --> 00:44:38,685 Oh, you hadn't even thought about that. 1012 00:44:38,709 --> 00:44:40,286 We could get someone who was more talented 1013 00:44:40,310 --> 00:44:41,122 and less expensive. 1014 00:44:41,146 --> 00:44:42,689 There isn't somebody more talented. 1015 00:44:42,713 --> 00:44:44,057 You don't think there's anyone more talented? 1016 00:44:44,081 --> 00:44:45,525 -No, I don't. -Oh, my God. 1017 00:44:45,549 --> 00:44:47,694 The myopic... Jesus. 1018 00:44:47,718 --> 00:44:49,596 This is a normal occurrence. 1019 00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:51,765 I had to go to set every day 1020 00:44:51,789 --> 00:44:53,700 to make sure Barbera stayed in the film. 1021 00:44:53,724 --> 00:44:55,301 Your female lead is out of frame. 1022 00:44:55,325 --> 00:44:56,469 Yes, I know, I know. 1023 00:44:56,493 --> 00:44:58,038 This is how we're going to do the movie now, okay? 1024 00:44:58,062 --> 00:44:59,606 [Effy] My dad's going to see the dailies. 1025 00:44:59,630 --> 00:45:00,940 What do you think he's gonna say? 1026 00:45:00,964 --> 00:45:02,909 I think he's going to whine and bitch like a child. 1027 00:45:02,933 --> 00:45:04,744 You're whining and bitching like a child 1028 00:45:04,768 --> 00:45:06,146 because you can't have a two-person scene. 1029 00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:07,414 Barbera's out of the movie, Effy. 1030 00:45:07,438 --> 00:45:08,615 That's not how it works. 1031 00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:12,585 [Melvin] Pace needed his North Star for that character. 1032 00:45:12,609 --> 00:45:14,254 And Barbera wasn't it. 1033 00:45:14,278 --> 00:45:17,791 So he was determined to make her life a living hell. 1034 00:45:17,815 --> 00:45:19,292 You're killing me. You're literally killing me. 1035 00:45:19,316 --> 00:45:20,827 -Yes. I'm going to kill you. -Oh, yeah. 1036 00:45:20,851 --> 00:45:22,295 I feel like you're going to kill me. 1037 00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:23,197 I'm working up to it. 1038 00:45:23,221 --> 00:45:24,631 Every single fucking day I come to set, 1039 00:45:24,655 --> 00:45:26,099 I don't know what's going to happen. 1040 00:45:26,123 --> 00:45:28,702 [Dustin] Barbera was living in a constant state of fear. 1041 00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:30,370 But not from being murdered. 1042 00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:33,606 She was more afraid of being fired than dying. 1043 00:45:33,630 --> 00:45:35,475 She would tell me all the time 1044 00:45:35,499 --> 00:45:37,210 how she thought she was going to get fired. 1045 00:45:37,234 --> 00:45:40,013 I mean, I think she said that to me almost every single day. 1046 00:45:40,037 --> 00:45:42,048 And it got to a certain point 1047 00:45:42,072 --> 00:45:43,850 where I thought it was going to happen too. 1048 00:45:43,874 --> 00:45:46,886 I think the fact that she's this bad 1049 00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:48,788 violates the terms of the contract. 1050 00:45:48,812 --> 00:45:50,356 And I think we can get rid of her 1051 00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:52,792 without actually triggering any type of lawsuit. 1052 00:45:52,816 --> 00:45:54,160 She's the star of the fucking movie. 1053 00:45:54,184 --> 00:45:55,762 We've been shooting for three months. 1054 00:45:55,786 --> 00:45:56,796 But not if we fire her. 1055 00:45:56,820 --> 00:45:58,164 She's not coming out of the movie. 1056 00:45:58,188 --> 00:46:00,166 Pace was never a fan of Barbera. 1057 00:46:00,190 --> 00:46:03,870 And he asked me multiple times if we could replace her. 1058 00:46:03,894 --> 00:46:05,505 I need Barbera gone. 1059 00:46:05,529 --> 00:46:08,308 Your father is asking me to sculpt with razor wire. 1060 00:46:08,332 --> 00:46:10,877 I have always respected you, okay? 1061 00:46:10,901 --> 00:46:14,114 I've always respected your artistic vision. 1062 00:46:14,138 --> 00:46:17,150 And I just, I need you to let this one go 1063 00:46:17,174 --> 00:46:21,054 because my dad is never going to fire Barbera. 1064 00:46:21,078 --> 00:46:22,255 -That's it. -Okay, okay. 1065 00:46:22,279 --> 00:46:23,990 Do you think, do you think this is the first time 1066 00:46:24,014 --> 00:46:25,358 I've been told I can't do something 1067 00:46:25,382 --> 00:46:27,427 -or I have to let something go? -I'm letting you know. 1068 00:46:27,451 --> 00:46:29,162 I am a screenwriter, okay? 1069 00:46:29,186 --> 00:46:32,098 I create worlds and I fucking destroy them. 1070 00:46:32,122 --> 00:46:34,167 And if you make me destroy this world, 1071 00:46:34,191 --> 00:46:36,069 I will do it. You understand? 1072 00:46:36,093 --> 00:46:37,704 Then you're not going to have a movie, Pace. 1073 00:46:37,728 --> 00:46:39,005 I don't give a fuck about the movie. 1074 00:46:39,029 --> 00:46:40,907 -I do. -I don't care what you think. 1075 00:46:40,931 --> 00:46:42,609 I care about making art. 1076 00:46:42,633 --> 00:46:46,279 And if she is in this film, it doesn't exist anymore. 1077 00:46:46,303 --> 00:46:48,782 There is no story, there is no beauty, 1078 00:46:48,806 --> 00:46:49,983 there is no art. 1079 00:46:50,007 --> 00:46:51,718 So I may as well burn the fucking thing down. 1080 00:46:51,742 --> 00:46:53,987 -You understand? -Then go ahead. 1081 00:46:54,011 --> 00:46:55,388 -Burn the thing down. -Great. 1082 00:46:55,412 --> 00:46:57,423 Okay. Remember that you said that! 1083 00:46:57,447 --> 00:46:59,559 And then don't come crying to me when it's over. 1084 00:46:59,583 --> 00:47:00,918 Remember. 1085 00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:04,697 [Effy] Pace threatened Barbera all the time. 1086 00:47:04,721 --> 00:47:08,067 And when it was decided that she was staying in the film, 1087 00:47:08,091 --> 00:47:09,836 he couldn't handle it. 1088 00:47:09,860 --> 00:47:10,937 [Tedd] Hey, what's up? 1089 00:47:10,961 --> 00:47:12,505 Um, I'm sat here with Pace right now. 1090 00:47:12,529 --> 00:47:15,742 He doesn't believe, uh, anything that I'm saying right now. 1091 00:47:15,766 --> 00:47:17,310 So do you mind refreshing his mind 1092 00:47:17,334 --> 00:47:19,045 and telling him what you told me? 1093 00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:20,146 [Tedd] Hey, Pace. 1094 00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:21,614 I just got off the phone with Mocker. 1095 00:47:21,638 --> 00:47:24,050 And Barbera's staying in the fucking film. 1096 00:47:24,074 --> 00:47:26,844 So do whatever you want with that information. 1097 00:47:27,711 --> 00:47:30,047 Okay. Uh, Barbie. 1098 00:47:30,347 --> 00:47:32,525 -Uh, I gotta apologize to you. -Yeah? 1099 00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:34,227 -Okay? -Is this sincere? 1100 00:47:34,251 --> 00:47:37,163 Yes. That was the easy way for you to leave this film. 1101 00:47:37,187 --> 00:47:39,265 And now we do it the hard way. All right? 1102 00:47:39,289 --> 00:47:42,101 -Good luck. -Thanks. Appreciate it. 1103 00:47:42,125 --> 00:47:44,394 I always adored Barbera. 1104 00:47:44,695 --> 00:47:46,840 She had such a hard time on set. 1105 00:47:46,864 --> 00:47:49,242 She didn't deserve how she was treated. 1106 00:47:49,266 --> 00:47:51,311 I don't know who to trust anymore. 1107 00:47:51,335 --> 00:47:54,605 I don't know who are my friends. Everyone's fucking mean. 1108 00:47:55,606 --> 00:47:57,884 Well, you know you got me. 1109 00:47:57,908 --> 00:48:00,954 I'm lucky I do. You and your dad. 1110 00:48:00,978 --> 00:48:03,923 Initially, there was a lot of confusion as to why. 1111 00:48:03,947 --> 00:48:06,884 Tedd was fighting so hard to keep her in the film. 1112 00:48:07,184 --> 00:48:11,164 There's a very simple reason Tedd refused to replace her. 1113 00:48:11,188 --> 00:48:13,633 Because they were having an affair. 1114 00:48:13,657 --> 00:48:15,835 They managed to keep their relationship quiet 1115 00:48:15,859 --> 00:48:16,870 for over a year. 1116 00:48:16,894 --> 00:48:18,404 But once Barbera was on set, 1117 00:48:18,428 --> 00:48:21,341 Tedd could no longer keep the relationship secret. 1118 00:48:21,365 --> 00:48:24,277 His jealousy and paranoia drove him 1119 00:48:24,301 --> 00:48:27,914 to make sure everyone knew she was his. 1120 00:48:27,938 --> 00:48:30,316 And what made him so paranoid 1121 00:48:30,340 --> 00:48:33,953 was Barbera's cast mate and former lover, 1122 00:48:33,977 --> 00:48:36,380 Dustin Scott. 1123 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,261 The story of their romance is shrouded with intrigue. 1124 00:48:41,285 --> 00:48:44,464 I mean, Tedd and Barbera were having an affair. 1125 00:48:44,488 --> 00:48:47,533 Dustin and Barbera were having an affair. 1126 00:48:47,557 --> 00:48:51,738 It was like the inception of affairs. 1127 00:48:51,762 --> 00:48:54,040 So Dustin was in love with Barbera 1128 00:48:54,064 --> 00:48:56,209 and Barbera was in love with Tedd. 1129 00:48:56,233 --> 00:48:58,978 And it was disaster for all of us. 1130 00:48:59,002 --> 00:49:01,881 Are you having a relationship with Barbera? 1131 00:49:01,905 --> 00:49:03,116 -Yeah. -Yeah. 1132 00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:04,484 And you're aware that she is currently having 1133 00:49:04,508 --> 00:49:06,386 a relationship with Tedd Mankiewicz? 1134 00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:07,254 Yeah. 1135 00:49:07,278 --> 00:49:08,855 And you thought, in your infinite wisdom, 1136 00:49:08,879 --> 00:49:11,148 that this was a good idea for you to do? 1137 00:49:12,249 --> 00:49:14,193 She was my girlfriend first, and... 1138 00:49:14,217 --> 00:49:15,728 Okay. With the playground rules. 1139 00:49:15,752 --> 00:49:16,996 Brilliant. 1140 00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:18,464 [Thomas] Can you talk to me a little bit about 1141 00:49:18,488 --> 00:49:20,223 Dustin and Barbera's love affair? 1142 00:49:20,824 --> 00:49:22,835 Mm, yeah, um, 1143 00:49:22,859 --> 00:49:25,738 I know they were childhood sweethearts 1144 00:49:25,762 --> 00:49:27,440 and then, uh, had some sort 1145 00:49:27,464 --> 00:49:30,376 of large, uh, profound relationship, 1146 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,845 I guess, at least for Dustin. 1147 00:49:32,869 --> 00:49:35,315 Uh, and then it started up again. 1148 00:49:35,339 --> 00:49:37,417 Basically, the moment she arrived on the set, 1149 00:49:37,441 --> 00:49:39,686 which obviously drove Tedd insane. 1150 00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:42,689 He is a man that cannot comprehend things 1151 00:49:42,713 --> 00:49:44,223 he cannot control. 1152 00:49:44,247 --> 00:49:47,293 Dustin, I want you to kiss her like you know he's watching. 1153 00:49:47,317 --> 00:49:49,062 Because he is. You know what I'm saying? 1154 00:49:49,086 --> 00:49:50,263 You're trying to make me jealous. 1155 00:49:50,287 --> 00:49:51,597 No, no, no, I'm trying to make you 1156 00:49:51,621 --> 00:49:52,865 understand that you're a lesser man. 1157 00:49:52,889 --> 00:49:54,233 [Barbera] What am I supposed to do? 1158 00:49:54,257 --> 00:49:56,135 You're supposed to like it more than you like kissing him. 1159 00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:57,236 I'm jealous right now. 1160 00:49:57,260 --> 00:49:58,538 I want you to... You're jealous? 1161 00:49:58,562 --> 00:50:00,139 It's working? We're having a reaction? 1162 00:50:00,163 --> 00:50:01,541 [Tedd] Don't say that out loud. 1163 00:50:01,565 --> 00:50:03,109 [Christopher] Doesn't it feel good to have a human emotion? 1164 00:50:03,133 --> 00:50:04,377 You know what I mean? 1165 00:50:04,401 --> 00:50:06,212 I think there's a... Oh, there it is. Look at that. 1166 00:50:06,236 --> 00:50:09,139 [Dustin] Imagine you met the love of your life. 1167 00:50:09,873 --> 00:50:12,318 And you had a beautiful romance. 1168 00:50:12,342 --> 00:50:15,788 And then you fucked it all up. You break up. 1169 00:50:15,812 --> 00:50:17,381 You're miserable. 1170 00:50:17,647 --> 00:50:20,426 And then you're working on this movie 1171 00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:23,529 and you find out that your ex-lover 1172 00:50:23,553 --> 00:50:26,466 is now gonna be with you every single day. 1173 00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:29,102 Sex scenes, kissing scenes. 1174 00:50:29,126 --> 00:50:31,471 And you have to watch the person that you love 1175 00:50:31,495 --> 00:50:33,740 be in love with somebody else. 1176 00:50:33,764 --> 00:50:36,509 And if that wasn't bad enough, her new boyfriend 1177 00:50:36,533 --> 00:50:40,446 was my boss and would tell me what to do every day. 1178 00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:43,049 You're grabbing her tits like it's an eighth-grade dance. 1179 00:50:43,073 --> 00:50:44,917 Grab her like this. 1180 00:50:44,941 --> 00:50:47,177 Let me get to your level. 1181 00:50:47,544 --> 00:50:50,347 If you cross me again, I'll fucking kill you. 1182 00:50:51,081 --> 00:50:52,783 Yeah, that's how it's done. 1183 00:50:54,017 --> 00:50:55,795 Tedd was always fucking with Dustin. 1184 00:50:55,819 --> 00:50:59,098 He would do these, like, psychological mind games 1185 00:50:59,122 --> 00:51:00,733 for dominance. 1186 00:51:00,757 --> 00:51:04,027 And it was abusive. 1187 00:51:04,594 --> 00:51:06,706 I just can't believe that you do that shit in front of me, okay? 1188 00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:08,875 It's so fucking disrespectful. It makes me sick to my stomach. 1189 00:51:08,899 --> 00:51:11,177 Do you know how many fucking times I've heard this from you? 1190 00:51:11,201 --> 00:51:12,712 What do you mean? 1191 00:51:12,736 --> 00:51:14,447 Do you know how many times I've heard you say that shit to him? 1192 00:51:14,471 --> 00:51:17,917 Tedd uses a tactic called disruption of thought freedom. 1193 00:51:17,941 --> 00:51:19,452 It's a genius military strategy 1194 00:51:19,476 --> 00:51:22,245 to take over someone's brain and ruin them. 1195 00:51:22,579 --> 00:51:24,657 And that's how he broke Dustin. 1196 00:51:24,681 --> 00:51:27,360 [melancholy piano music] 1197 00:51:27,384 --> 00:51:28,761 I... 1198 00:51:28,785 --> 00:51:33,390 I truly believe you only get one real love in your life. 1199 00:51:33,723 --> 00:51:37,403 That one person that's supposed to be there with you, 1200 00:51:37,427 --> 00:51:39,563 going through the ups and downs, and... 1201 00:51:39,996 --> 00:51:43,533 And it was Barbera. We were meant for each other. 1202 00:51:44,367 --> 00:51:45,678 And I fucked it up. 1203 00:51:45,702 --> 00:51:49,449 And the really funny thing is that the one person 1204 00:51:49,473 --> 00:51:51,384 who was trying to help me fix this relationship 1205 00:51:51,408 --> 00:51:54,744 more than anyone else was Pace. 1206 00:51:56,746 --> 00:51:59,459 Now did Pace really want us to get back together 1207 00:51:59,483 --> 00:52:01,394 'cause he cared about us? I don't think so. 1208 00:52:01,418 --> 00:52:04,488 I think he was really just trying to fuck with Tedd. 1209 00:52:05,856 --> 00:52:09,359 But, nonetheless, he was being a couples counselor, 1210 00:52:09,626 --> 00:52:11,938 trying anything and everything he could 1211 00:52:11,962 --> 00:52:14,064 to bring us back together. 1212 00:52:14,464 --> 00:52:18,535 And if Barbera wouldn't have died, 1213 00:52:19,436 --> 00:52:21,638 I think it would have worked. 1214 00:52:22,005 --> 00:52:25,542 I was doing what I could to... 1215 00:52:26,009 --> 00:52:27,787 to, well, not mend the relationship, 1216 00:52:27,811 --> 00:52:30,022 I just needed them to be able to get through a fucking scene. 1217 00:52:30,046 --> 00:52:34,594 And, and in, in that context, that required her to be able 1218 00:52:34,618 --> 00:52:38,297 to, uh, look him in the eye without rolling her eyes 1219 00:52:38,321 --> 00:52:40,233 or vomiting or screaming 1220 00:52:40,257 --> 00:52:42,034 or any of the things that would happen 1221 00:52:42,058 --> 00:52:43,436 when she would see him. 1222 00:52:43,460 --> 00:52:45,571 You are welcome to attach a humanitarian instinct to me 1223 00:52:45,595 --> 00:52:47,206 whenever you like. You would be wrong. 1224 00:52:47,230 --> 00:52:49,175 I'm simply doing what is necessary 1225 00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:51,168 to get the film made. 1226 00:52:51,535 --> 00:52:54,280 No! No, no, no! Stop it! Stop! Right now! No, no. 1227 00:52:54,304 --> 00:52:55,581 No, no, listen. Okay? 1228 00:52:55,605 --> 00:52:57,483 Kissing is elemental. It's primordial. 1229 00:52:57,507 --> 00:52:59,051 It's deeper than sex, right? 1230 00:52:59,075 --> 00:53:01,454 It's just, it's natural, okay? 1231 00:53:01,478 --> 00:53:03,890 I don't want to see sex. I want to see love. 1232 00:53:03,914 --> 00:53:05,091 Okay? Show me. 1233 00:53:05,115 --> 00:53:07,484 -I give love. -Show me. Show me love. 1234 00:53:07,784 --> 00:53:09,195 I heard the rumors. 1235 00:53:09,219 --> 00:53:10,496 I tried to warn Dustin 1236 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,331 about not getting involved with Barbera, 1237 00:53:12,355 --> 00:53:14,033 but he didn't listen. 1238 00:53:14,057 --> 00:53:16,636 And when my dad found out, it was actually worse 1239 00:53:16,660 --> 00:53:18,237 than I thought it would be. 1240 00:53:18,261 --> 00:53:20,273 Did you fuck Barb? 1241 00:53:20,297 --> 00:53:22,842 -No! I didn't... -Dirty Dick Dustin. 1242 00:53:22,866 --> 00:53:24,577 -Dirty Dick Dustin. -I didn't do anything. 1243 00:53:24,601 --> 00:53:26,245 -[Christopher] Tedd, Tedd, Tedd. -Pull your dick out. 1244 00:53:26,269 --> 00:53:27,914 I want to see if it smells like Barb. 1245 00:53:27,938 --> 00:53:29,615 Pull your dick out. 1246 00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:31,984 Starting a war with a guy like Tedd, 1247 00:53:32,008 --> 00:53:34,320 someone with an infinite amount of resources, 1248 00:53:34,344 --> 00:53:37,523 wouldn't even bode well for me, let alone Dustin. 1249 00:53:37,547 --> 00:53:39,425 [Tedd] I'll have Dustin killed right now 1250 00:53:39,449 --> 00:53:40,893 if you just cast Chalamet. 1251 00:53:40,917 --> 00:53:43,362 [Christopher] Uh, could you have him killed without, uh, Timmy? 1252 00:53:43,386 --> 00:53:44,764 [Tedd] Absolutely not. 1253 00:53:44,788 --> 00:53:46,332 [Christopher] Why does it have to be Timmy to kill... 1254 00:53:46,356 --> 00:53:47,700 [Tedd] You gotta give, you gotta give me something. 1255 00:53:47,724 --> 00:53:48,968 [Christopher] No, but can we get somebody else? 1256 00:53:48,992 --> 00:53:50,503 [Tedd] I'll have nothing for me to kill Dustin. 1257 00:53:50,527 --> 00:53:52,805 They say all is fair in love and war, 1258 00:53:52,829 --> 00:53:55,474 so Dustin decided to tell Tedd's wife 1259 00:53:55,498 --> 00:53:57,376 about the affair with Barbera, 1260 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,447 which caused her to confront him in front of everyone. 1261 00:54:01,471 --> 00:54:02,848 -Who told you that? -You've been cheating on me. 1262 00:54:02,872 --> 00:54:04,483 -I've never fucking cheated. -Tell me the truth. 1263 00:54:04,507 --> 00:54:06,018 -I know you've been doing it! -I am telling you the truth. 1264 00:54:06,042 --> 00:54:08,354 -You've never... This is... -I've never cheated on you. 1265 00:54:08,378 --> 00:54:09,488 Yes, you have! 1266 00:54:09,512 --> 00:54:10,823 What the fuck are you even talking about? 1267 00:54:10,847 --> 00:54:12,792 -You've never told me the truth. -Who told you that shit? 1268 00:54:12,816 --> 00:54:14,460 I'm not going to tell you who told me, 1269 00:54:14,484 --> 00:54:16,696 -but I know that it's true. -Was it Dustin? 1270 00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:18,698 [Thomas] After this was filmed, 1271 00:54:18,722 --> 00:54:20,833 Ted's wife threatened to leave him 1272 00:54:20,857 --> 00:54:22,602 if he didn't end things with Barbera. 1273 00:54:22,626 --> 00:54:24,971 And with her ability to prove infidelity, 1274 00:54:24,995 --> 00:54:28,274 he was looking at a billion-dollar divorce. 1275 00:54:28,298 --> 00:54:30,376 Two days later, Barbera Ball 1276 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,778 was murdered by The Hollywood Killer. 1277 00:54:32,802 --> 00:54:35,772 [unsettling music] [heavy breathing] 1278 00:54:41,578 --> 00:54:43,880 [constricted breathing] 1279 00:54:44,414 --> 00:54:46,892 I don't understand why the man isn't in prison. 1280 00:54:46,916 --> 00:54:49,762 He had the motive. Obviously, he had the access. 1281 00:54:49,786 --> 00:54:52,098 He was sleeping with the woman killed. 1282 00:54:52,122 --> 00:54:56,902 To me, to anyone with eyes or who is not being paid, 1283 00:54:56,926 --> 00:54:58,104 it should be obvious. 1284 00:54:58,128 --> 00:55:02,432 But in order to avoid a fifth lawsuit from the man, 1285 00:55:03,533 --> 00:55:06,045 I'll call him an alleged murderer. 1286 00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:08,180 Who's alleging it? I am. 1287 00:55:08,204 --> 00:55:10,316 My dad would never hurt Barbera. 1288 00:55:10,340 --> 00:55:12,318 She made him so happy. 1289 00:55:12,342 --> 00:55:13,886 I've never seen him love anyone 1290 00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:15,388 as much as he loved her. 1291 00:55:15,412 --> 00:55:16,956 What they shared was like something 1292 00:55:16,980 --> 00:55:18,491 you read in a romance novel. 1293 00:55:18,515 --> 00:55:20,393 He always said that she reminded him 1294 00:55:20,417 --> 00:55:22,061 of a Caravaggio painting. 1295 00:55:22,085 --> 00:55:24,764 I've never heard him talk about anyone like that. 1296 00:55:24,788 --> 00:55:26,732 [Tedd] I saw so much greatness in her 1297 00:55:26,756 --> 00:55:29,368 as a human being, her talent. 1298 00:55:29,392 --> 00:55:32,171 [unsettling music] 1299 00:55:32,195 --> 00:55:33,930 She was my everything. 1300 00:55:35,198 --> 00:55:36,776 [Thomas] Do you miss her? 1301 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,780 I miss her more than any human being that's ever lived. 1302 00:55:40,804 --> 00:55:43,482 [Thomas] Tedd's phone records show no calls 1303 00:55:43,506 --> 00:55:45,418 on the day Barbera died. 1304 00:55:45,442 --> 00:55:50,756 On a normal day, he averages 250 to 300 calls. 1305 00:55:50,780 --> 00:55:52,591 My dad and I went to Saint Moritz 1306 00:55:52,615 --> 00:55:54,660 for a few hours to look at a new house he was building, 1307 00:55:54,684 --> 00:55:57,496 and he broke his phone at the airport. 1308 00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,599 But I can assure you that his alibi is real, 1309 00:56:00,623 --> 00:56:01,967 and I was with him. 1310 00:56:01,991 --> 00:56:04,637 During any investigation, it's always fascinating 1311 00:56:04,661 --> 00:56:08,808 to see who a suspect thinks could have committed the crime. 1312 00:56:08,832 --> 00:56:12,068 And in this case, there's footage of it. 1313 00:56:12,402 --> 00:56:13,746 I'm not going to jail. 1314 00:56:13,770 --> 00:56:15,648 Rich people don't go to jail. 1315 00:56:15,672 --> 00:56:17,683 I wasn't even in the country, I swear. 1316 00:56:17,707 --> 00:56:19,418 You can check all the flight logs. 1317 00:56:19,442 --> 00:56:22,455 Everybody knows Dustin fucking killed her. 1318 00:56:22,479 --> 00:56:25,882 I have so many videos. Tell them I'll cut a deal. 1319 00:56:26,149 --> 00:56:28,928 We're now going to dive into our fourth suspect, 1320 00:56:28,952 --> 00:56:30,463 Dustin Scott. 1321 00:56:30,487 --> 00:56:33,232 There are many reasons why Dustin is a suspect, 1322 00:56:33,256 --> 00:56:36,559 but one stands out above them all. 1323 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,972 [constrained breathing] 1324 00:56:39,996 --> 00:56:42,699 Dustin! Dust... 1325 00:56:43,032 --> 00:56:46,345 That video does not get you a conviction. 1326 00:56:46,369 --> 00:56:48,481 It does, however, tell us something, 1327 00:56:48,505 --> 00:56:51,708 that Dustin was the last thought on Barbera's mind. 1328 00:56:52,542 --> 00:56:54,620 But why Dustin? 1329 00:56:54,644 --> 00:56:57,556 Was it because she was saying goodbye 1330 00:56:57,580 --> 00:56:58,924 to the love of her life, 1331 00:56:58,948 --> 00:57:02,919 or because the love of her life was killing her? 1332 00:57:07,257 --> 00:57:08,501 You got that, right? 1333 00:57:08,525 --> 00:57:10,169 [Christopher] Got it. Won't use it. Do it again. 1334 00:57:10,193 --> 00:57:11,871 [sighs] 1335 00:57:11,895 --> 00:57:14,497 Put my hat back on. You're a fucking bitch. 1336 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,378 [John] I know he was a pain in the ass, 1337 00:57:19,402 --> 00:57:21,647 but I'll always feel sorry for this kid. 1338 00:57:21,671 --> 00:57:25,074 I mean, this movie ripped out his soul. 1339 00:57:26,075 --> 00:57:27,686 I love Dustin Scott. 1340 00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:30,523 I just think he has 1341 00:57:30,547 --> 00:57:33,893 one of the most expressive faces. 1342 00:57:33,917 --> 00:57:37,196 Um, his performances are in the eyes, 1343 00:57:37,220 --> 00:57:38,697 gateway to the soul, his body. 1344 00:57:38,721 --> 00:57:39,999 He puts everything into it. 1345 00:57:40,023 --> 00:57:41,901 I mean, he's, he's a very emotional actor, 1346 00:57:41,925 --> 00:57:45,704 and I think he is literally a human PSA 1347 00:57:45,728 --> 00:57:50,242 about, don't be an actor, don't put your kids in acting. 1348 00:57:50,266 --> 00:57:54,847 I mean, every single thing, uh, that actors, 1349 00:57:54,871 --> 00:57:59,084 every trap actors can step in, he's actually stepped in. 1350 00:57:59,108 --> 00:58:01,587 Uh, a lot of the trysts that he had, 1351 00:58:01,611 --> 00:58:04,356 the women that he was with, 1352 00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:06,091 uh, some of the, the controversy 1353 00:58:06,115 --> 00:58:08,661 that he caused because of his relationships, 1354 00:58:08,685 --> 00:58:10,563 we don't see any of that. 1355 00:58:10,587 --> 00:58:11,964 We just see this, and we think 1356 00:58:11,988 --> 00:58:14,166 this is the only thing that's happening in this frame. 1357 00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:17,736 But there is another behind the scenes, 1358 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,405 which is what actually happens off the set. 1359 00:58:19,429 --> 00:58:23,375 So, yeah, Dustin looks like he is just being pummeled. 1360 00:58:23,399 --> 00:58:24,710 He's the martyr for everyone. 1361 00:58:24,734 --> 00:58:26,145 He's the whipping boy here. 1362 00:58:26,169 --> 00:58:30,616 Um, but what Dustin does off the set is pretty outrageous. 1363 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,017 I swear to God, if you bring 1364 00:58:32,041 --> 00:58:34,620 another fucking prostitute... sex worker on set again, 1365 00:58:34,644 --> 00:58:36,121 I will kick your ass. 1366 00:58:36,145 --> 00:58:39,449 [John] Dustin really took Barbera's death hard. 1367 00:58:39,682 --> 00:58:41,293 He was doing all kinds of drugs. 1368 00:58:41,317 --> 00:58:43,996 We found him in a gutter, 1369 00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:47,557 unconscious at a strip club, 4:00 in the morning. 1370 00:58:47,857 --> 00:58:49,893 We covered it up from the press. 1371 00:58:50,226 --> 00:58:53,372 I would do whatever it took to keep him upright 1372 00:58:53,396 --> 00:58:54,607 in this movie. 1373 00:58:54,631 --> 00:58:56,976 I already got, you know, the investments there. 1374 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,477 We were way into this thing 1375 00:58:58,501 --> 00:59:02,181 and Dustin has to be healthy, and he was a fucking mess. 1376 00:59:02,205 --> 00:59:03,415 So my, my question for you, 1377 00:59:03,439 --> 00:59:05,618 and I want you to take this with you into the scene, is, 1378 00:59:05,642 --> 00:59:07,520 what recently happened to Barbera, 1379 00:59:07,544 --> 00:59:08,954 uh, what do we think about the idea 1380 00:59:08,978 --> 00:59:12,725 that maybe you don't remember what, what you may have done? 1381 00:59:12,749 --> 00:59:14,460 'Cause I know you don't think you did anything, 1382 00:59:14,484 --> 00:59:18,421 but what about what you don't remember? 1383 00:59:18,788 --> 00:59:21,133 I remember one time, growing up as a kid, 1384 00:59:21,157 --> 00:59:24,403 some money came up missing at a church bingo, 1385 00:59:24,427 --> 00:59:26,839 and Father McCauley got so upset, 1386 00:59:26,863 --> 00:59:29,532 he bitch-slapped Sister Elizabeth. 1387 00:59:29,799 --> 00:59:32,545 I mean, if you push someone far enough, 1388 00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:34,446 it can get out of hand. 1389 00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:35,981 I want you to hang 1390 00:59:36,005 --> 00:59:37,383 the inadequacy of your performance 1391 00:59:37,407 --> 00:59:39,952 around your neck and wear it like a fucking albatross. 1392 00:59:39,976 --> 00:59:41,854 You understand? It's a millstone, all right? 1393 00:59:41,878 --> 00:59:43,188 You're dragging all of us down. 1394 00:59:43,212 --> 00:59:44,790 -All right. -It's like a, it's a thing. 1395 00:59:44,814 --> 00:59:46,058 -If I pull this... -[chokes] Okay, yeah. 1396 00:59:46,082 --> 00:59:47,726 You can feel that, right? You can feel that. 1397 00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:49,461 I gotta hang you with this shit. 1398 00:59:49,485 --> 00:59:50,829 That's how bad your performance is. 1399 00:59:50,853 --> 00:59:52,565 I could use it to kill you. 1400 00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:54,967 Doing the same scenes 1401 00:59:54,991 --> 00:59:58,070 over and over again on multiple occasions, 1402 00:59:58,094 --> 01:00:00,306 it kind of takes it out of you. 1403 01:00:00,330 --> 01:00:01,340 It's like if you had 1404 01:00:01,364 --> 01:00:02,942 a tube of toothpaste that's already empty 1405 01:00:02,966 --> 01:00:04,443 and you just keep squeezing it and you think 1406 01:00:04,467 --> 01:00:06,345 something's going to come out, but there's nothing in there 1407 01:00:06,369 --> 01:00:09,739 and you're just crushing it in your fucking palm. 1408 01:00:13,710 --> 01:00:16,679 [sighs] I'm the tube of empty toothpaste. 1409 01:00:17,647 --> 01:00:18,958 I think I might faint. 1410 01:00:18,982 --> 01:00:20,960 -You're going to faint? Why? -I don't know. 1411 01:00:20,984 --> 01:00:24,287 Have you read this scene? Is this a fainting scene? 1412 01:00:25,355 --> 01:00:26,932 -Okay, Martin, you see that? -Whoa, whoa, whoa. 1413 01:00:26,956 --> 01:00:28,968 No, no, don't touch him. You understand what happened? 1414 01:00:28,992 --> 01:00:30,736 This man's talent cannot overcome 1415 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,071 his given circumstances. 1416 01:00:32,095 --> 01:00:33,806 That's what we call bad acting, all right? 1417 01:00:33,830 --> 01:00:35,374 Don't look at him. Do the scene without him. 1418 01:00:35,398 --> 01:00:37,576 I'm going to back up and get the shot, all right? 1419 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,302 Okay, let's go! 1420 01:00:42,171 --> 01:00:47,620 This film took pieces of me that I will never get back. 1421 01:00:47,644 --> 01:00:49,121 I fucking hate you! All you do 1422 01:00:49,145 --> 01:00:51,590 is you yell and you lie and you yell and you lie! 1423 01:00:51,614 --> 01:00:52,791 And I can't take it anymore! 1424 01:00:52,815 --> 01:00:54,627 Why don't you do something about it, Dustin? 1425 01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:56,095 Fuck! [grunts] 1426 01:00:56,119 --> 01:00:57,663 Now we're going to learn about acting. 1427 01:00:57,687 --> 01:00:59,698 What is acting, Dustin? Acting is... 1428 01:00:59,722 --> 01:01:00,899 [Dustin] [grunts] [screams] 1429 01:01:00,923 --> 01:01:02,801 It's being acting, okay? We're not trying to win. 1430 01:01:02,825 --> 01:01:05,037 -[screams maniacally] [grunts] -All right, okay, now... 1431 01:01:05,061 --> 01:01:07,697 -[Dustin] [choking] -[Christopher] [grunts] 1432 01:01:09,332 --> 01:01:10,867 All right, Marty. 1433 01:01:11,167 --> 01:01:14,370 Um, I need something sort of tempting. 1434 01:01:14,771 --> 01:01:17,273 Pace used to tell me to never argue with Dustin 1435 01:01:17,540 --> 01:01:20,753 because it's hard to win a fight with a smart person, 1436 01:01:20,777 --> 01:01:23,756 but impossible to win one with a crazy person. 1437 01:01:23,780 --> 01:01:25,391 I worked with the guy for five years. 1438 01:01:25,415 --> 01:01:28,193 There's no doubt in my mind he could be the killer. 1439 01:01:28,217 --> 01:01:32,655 The things I've seen, you wouldn't believe it. 1440 01:01:33,089 --> 01:01:35,034 Shut the fuck up, Martin, okay? Just shut the fuck up! 1441 01:01:35,058 --> 01:01:36,602 -Shut up? -Yeah, shut... [choking] 1442 01:01:36,626 --> 01:01:37,836 -More an angle. -I'll shut up? 1443 01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:39,204 -More an angle. -Shut up? I'm sick of you! 1444 01:01:39,228 --> 01:01:40,973 Marty, Marty, what did I tell you about the carotid? 1445 01:01:40,997 --> 01:01:42,274 -Martin! -You put pressure right here. 1446 01:01:42,298 --> 01:01:43,542 -Martin, I'm sorry! -Then he'll go to sleep. 1447 01:01:43,566 --> 01:01:44,910 Very close to me. 1448 01:01:44,934 --> 01:01:46,645 And then brace the back of his head here. Break it here. 1449 01:01:46,669 --> 01:01:48,047 You know, not many people know this, 1450 01:01:48,071 --> 01:01:50,716 but I actually used to go to middle school with Dustin. 1451 01:01:50,740 --> 01:01:52,184 Um, he had a nickname. 1452 01:01:52,208 --> 01:01:55,187 Back then, it was, uh, it was Bundy. 1453 01:01:55,211 --> 01:01:57,690 Not for Al Bundy, but for Ted Bundy, 1454 01:01:57,714 --> 01:01:58,924 because he was voted 1455 01:01:58,948 --> 01:02:00,459 "most likely to become a serial killer" 1456 01:02:00,483 --> 01:02:01,994 in our yearbook. 1457 01:02:02,018 --> 01:02:06,131 You know, when I really think about it, Dustin makes sense. 1458 01:02:06,155 --> 01:02:08,157 I let him go down on me once. 1459 01:02:09,158 --> 01:02:11,127 Blind man looking for a nickel. 1460 01:02:11,394 --> 01:02:14,940 There's this moment when a man is between your legs. 1461 01:02:14,964 --> 01:02:18,677 You can feel that energy just, you know, coming up, 1462 01:02:18,701 --> 01:02:21,237 and I got that, I got that murder energy. 1463 01:02:22,205 --> 01:02:24,683 What? You're not rolling fucking... 1464 01:02:24,707 --> 01:02:26,309 I just... 1465 01:02:26,609 --> 01:02:28,487 Oh, my fucking God! What are we... 1466 01:02:28,511 --> 01:02:30,289 What are we doing here? What are we doing here? 1467 01:02:30,313 --> 01:02:32,191 I've been doing this for four fucking years, 1468 01:02:32,215 --> 01:02:34,593 and now you're not even, you can't roll fucking sound? 1469 01:02:34,617 --> 01:02:35,828 What? 1470 01:02:35,852 --> 01:02:38,063 I was supposed to be a movie star, Pace! 1471 01:02:38,087 --> 01:02:39,765 I was supposed to be a movie star! 1472 01:02:39,789 --> 01:02:41,200 Now I'm going to rehab, 1473 01:02:41,224 --> 01:02:43,068 and I'm gonna fucking work at a McDonald's 1474 01:02:43,092 --> 01:02:44,269 because of this goddamn... 1475 01:02:44,293 --> 01:02:46,205 Fuck these fucking asshole punks! 1476 01:02:46,229 --> 01:02:47,206 I'm fucking done! 1477 01:02:47,230 --> 01:02:51,543 I'm telling you, Dustin is The Hollywood Killer. 1478 01:02:51,567 --> 01:02:53,479 That guy? That's a killer? 1479 01:02:53,503 --> 01:02:55,848 I mean, come on. He's so dumb. 1480 01:02:55,872 --> 01:02:57,816 Everybody knows this, you know? 1481 01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:59,451 He's about as smart as mayonnaise. 1482 01:02:59,475 --> 01:03:03,112 He's like the character from Sling Blade in real life. 1483 01:03:03,746 --> 01:03:04,990 The only person 1484 01:03:05,014 --> 01:03:08,484 that Dustin really wanted to kill was himself. 1485 01:03:09,385 --> 01:03:12,865 I can't do this anymore! 1486 01:03:12,889 --> 01:03:18,127 Why is this happening to me? [sobbing] 1487 01:03:20,463 --> 01:03:23,509 Churchill famously said that, when you are going through hell, 1488 01:03:23,533 --> 01:03:24,977 you just keep going. 1489 01:03:25,001 --> 01:03:28,247 Dustin's hell is within him, but he is a coward, 1490 01:03:28,271 --> 01:03:30,349 so he distracts himself with women. 1491 01:03:30,373 --> 01:03:32,084 He had a relationship with Ava, 1492 01:03:32,108 --> 01:03:35,154 and then, obviously, he had his relationship with Barbera, 1493 01:03:35,178 --> 01:03:37,790 and when she was killed, he moved on to Greata, 1494 01:03:37,814 --> 01:03:38,991 and when she was killed, 1495 01:03:39,015 --> 01:03:41,560 he attempted a relationship with Audrey. 1496 01:03:41,584 --> 01:03:44,596 The problem is that, when you have that inferno within you, 1497 01:03:44,620 --> 01:03:48,534 when you want to taste the heart of darkness, 1498 01:03:48,558 --> 01:03:49,868 you must release it, 1499 01:03:49,892 --> 01:03:51,870 because whether or not you do it, 1500 01:03:51,894 --> 01:03:54,873 it will find you. It will come for you. 1501 01:03:54,897 --> 01:03:57,442 And if you don't rise to meet it, 1502 01:03:57,466 --> 01:03:59,068 it will swallow you whole. 1503 01:04:01,504 --> 01:04:03,849 -[Dustin] [squeals] -I don't think that he's okay. 1504 01:04:03,873 --> 01:04:05,083 Mm, he's fine. He's okay. 1505 01:04:05,107 --> 01:04:06,685 [Dustin screaming gutturally] 1506 01:04:06,709 --> 01:04:08,086 Are we... Are we gonna break? 1507 01:04:08,110 --> 01:04:09,688 [Christopher] Yeah, break. Get off set for a second. 1508 01:04:09,712 --> 01:04:11,089 -Just fuck off. -[Dustin sobbing] 1509 01:04:11,113 --> 01:04:13,859 No, you can drink the water out of my shot. 1510 01:04:13,883 --> 01:04:15,060 Get the fuck out. 1511 01:04:15,084 --> 01:04:17,296 [Dustin] Can somebody... Oh! 1512 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:18,330 I need my mom! 1513 01:04:18,354 --> 01:04:19,932 [Christopher] Yeah, you know what, Marty? 1514 01:04:19,956 --> 01:04:21,967 I think you should clear out, too. 1515 01:04:21,991 --> 01:04:28,064 [sobbing maniacally] 1516 01:04:29,498 --> 01:04:35,147 I pinned the camera down, because I was watching a murder, 1517 01:04:35,171 --> 01:04:38,517 a very slow murder in front of me. 1518 01:04:38,541 --> 01:04:41,119 [Thomas] During his tenure on Dissident, 1519 01:04:41,143 --> 01:04:45,281 Dustin allegedly slept with all three of the victims, 1520 01:04:45,648 --> 01:04:48,927 was committed to a psychiatric ward twice, 1521 01:04:48,951 --> 01:04:53,732 and overdosed once the day after Barbera died. 1522 01:04:53,756 --> 01:04:55,968 Dustin Scott was never charged. 1523 01:04:55,992 --> 01:04:58,503 However, when Barbera was murdered, 1524 01:04:58,527 --> 01:05:02,241 despite a public outcry to shut down the film, 1525 01:05:02,265 --> 01:05:05,534 the search for a new actress was on. 1526 01:05:05,768 --> 01:05:07,270 At this point, 1527 01:05:08,271 --> 01:05:11,574 uh, we are in the maelstrom. 1528 01:05:11,974 --> 01:05:14,086 This ship is taking on water. 1529 01:05:14,110 --> 01:05:16,812 The waves are crashing over the deck. 1530 01:05:17,246 --> 01:05:19,358 The crew is mostly dead of scurvy, 1531 01:05:19,382 --> 01:05:22,084 and the ones that are still alive... 1532 01:05:23,819 --> 01:05:26,155 are considering mutiny. 1533 01:05:26,422 --> 01:05:30,535 And then at this exact moment, a ship appears on the horizon. 1534 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:32,704 A ship with its cannons firing directly at us, 1535 01:05:32,728 --> 01:05:37,209 flying a pirate flag with the name Greata Daniels. 1536 01:05:37,233 --> 01:05:39,811 -What is inside you? -I've never died before. 1537 01:05:39,835 --> 01:05:41,079 You've never died before? 1538 01:05:41,103 --> 01:05:42,414 What a fucking statement that is. 1539 01:05:42,438 --> 01:05:45,550 Fucking obvious. What is inside you, Greata? 1540 01:05:45,574 --> 01:05:47,786 -Nothing. -Exactly. 1541 01:05:47,810 --> 01:05:49,554 There's a saying in Hollywood. 1542 01:05:49,578 --> 01:05:51,356 The show must go on. 1543 01:05:51,380 --> 01:05:56,395 And with that, Dissident cast its third lead actress, 1544 01:05:56,419 --> 01:05:57,996 Greata Daniels. 1545 01:05:58,020 --> 01:06:01,700 Sometimes I think you just say fancy words 1546 01:06:01,724 --> 01:06:04,136 and think that they make sense, 1547 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,071 but they don't, because you just want 1548 01:06:06,095 --> 01:06:07,739 to impress everybody around you. 1549 01:06:07,763 --> 01:06:11,843 Greata was a combination of Marla Singer from Fight Club 1550 01:06:11,867 --> 01:06:14,246 and Amy Dunne from Gone Girl. 1551 01:06:14,270 --> 01:06:15,881 A beautiful disaster. 1552 01:06:15,905 --> 01:06:17,249 You're so creepy. Do you know that? 1553 01:06:17,273 --> 01:06:18,250 It's part of the thing. 1554 01:06:18,274 --> 01:06:20,319 I love it, but, like, 1555 01:06:20,343 --> 01:06:22,721 the shit that comes out of your mouth sometimes 1556 01:06:22,745 --> 01:06:24,714 is just mind-blowing. 1557 01:06:25,114 --> 01:06:26,992 [Pearl] Greata was a shooting star in the sky. 1558 01:06:27,016 --> 01:06:32,431 Greata was a genius 1559 01:06:32,455 --> 01:06:33,799 wrapped in pain. 1560 01:06:33,823 --> 01:06:37,727 When I find girls like this, I peel them like an onion. 1561 01:06:38,027 --> 01:06:40,305 And I peel all the pain and the hurt 1562 01:06:40,329 --> 01:06:44,000 and the trauma and the distrust. 1563 01:06:44,367 --> 01:06:46,302 And you know what's in that onion? 1564 01:06:47,436 --> 01:06:48,714 A pearl. 1565 01:06:48,738 --> 01:06:50,782 I don't think Greata was ready for Dissident, 1566 01:06:50,806 --> 01:06:55,020 but Dissident definitely wasn't ready for Greata. 1567 01:06:55,044 --> 01:06:56,154 They explained this to me. 1568 01:06:56,178 --> 01:06:57,789 She, she's an alcoholic, right? 1569 01:06:57,813 --> 01:07:00,759 -That's what we're dealing with? -No, no, no, no, no. 1570 01:07:00,783 --> 01:07:02,194 This just keeps her level. 1571 01:07:02,218 --> 01:07:04,796 -It keeps her on an even keel. -It's my natural state. 1572 01:07:04,820 --> 01:07:07,299 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, so we keep her at this even keel. 1573 01:07:07,323 --> 01:07:08,467 She's drunk right at this moment? 1574 01:07:08,491 --> 01:07:09,701 No, no, I wouldn't call it drunk. 1575 01:07:09,725 --> 01:07:11,169 -I would call it... -You know what, Pearl? 1576 01:07:11,193 --> 01:07:12,637 A state of meditation. 1577 01:07:12,661 --> 01:07:14,873 That's exactly what we call it, a state of meditation. 1578 01:07:14,897 --> 01:07:18,234 -It makes me a better actor. -Yeah, and keep her even. 1579 01:07:18,601 --> 01:07:21,847 She was supposed to be in rehab for 120 days. 1580 01:07:21,871 --> 01:07:25,608 We picked her up for production [chuckles] on the 30th day. 1581 01:07:26,976 --> 01:07:28,887 I shot up some Benadryl last night, 1582 01:07:28,911 --> 01:07:31,781 and then I did a lot of cocaine. 1583 01:07:32,481 --> 01:07:34,183 Do you think I'm gonna die? 1584 01:07:35,051 --> 01:07:36,051 What? 1585 01:07:36,786 --> 01:07:39,197 She just wasn't really easy to work with, 1586 01:07:39,221 --> 01:07:42,401 but the second that she really committed herself, 1587 01:07:42,425 --> 01:07:46,471 she's so talented and incredible to watch. 1588 01:07:46,495 --> 01:07:50,275 I would find myself watching her, like, magnetized almost, 1589 01:07:50,299 --> 01:07:52,411 like I could not take my eyes away. 1590 01:07:52,435 --> 01:07:54,980 It was insane, and everybody felt like that. 1591 01:07:55,004 --> 01:07:57,416 Everyone was obsessed with her. 1592 01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,151 I mean, she could have been a cult leader, 1593 01:07:59,175 --> 01:08:01,086 and we all would have blindly followed 1594 01:08:01,110 --> 01:08:03,846 her every single move. 1595 01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,792 A little cute puppy, and you just want to squeeze it 1596 01:08:06,816 --> 01:08:08,226 and throw it in the trash can. 1597 01:08:08,250 --> 01:08:09,795 I usually want to grab them by their ankles and just, 1598 01:08:09,819 --> 01:08:11,029 you know, against the wall. 1599 01:08:11,053 --> 01:08:13,165 No, but, like, when a baby is so cute, you just want to... 1600 01:08:13,189 --> 01:08:15,667 Greata was the most unpredictable person 1601 01:08:15,691 --> 01:08:17,002 I've ever met. 1602 01:08:17,026 --> 01:08:20,105 I mean, you never knew which version of her you would get 1603 01:08:20,129 --> 01:08:22,240 or if she would even show up. 1604 01:08:22,264 --> 01:08:24,076 Okay, I'll definitely come tomorrow. 1605 01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:25,477 Okay, fantastic. 1606 01:08:25,501 --> 01:08:27,646 So, again, uh, Martin, for you... 1607 01:08:27,670 --> 01:08:30,348 You couldn't count on Greata for much, 1608 01:08:30,372 --> 01:08:31,783 but what you could count on is 1609 01:08:31,807 --> 01:08:35,220 the bigger the day, the less likely it is she shows up. 1610 01:08:35,244 --> 01:08:37,255 [Tedd] Greata would just do whatever she wanted. 1611 01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:39,191 It didn't matter if she was shooting 30 minutes 1612 01:08:39,215 --> 01:08:40,859 or 30 hours on set. 1613 01:08:40,883 --> 01:08:43,986 She would just vanish. Nobody could find her. 1614 01:08:44,353 --> 01:08:46,031 [Christopher] All right, good morning, boys. 1615 01:08:46,055 --> 01:08:47,866 How we doing today? Listen, I, uh, 1616 01:08:47,890 --> 01:08:49,167 I just got off the phone, 1617 01:08:49,191 --> 01:08:51,703 and Greata's gonna be a no-show today. 1618 01:08:51,727 --> 01:08:52,572 [Martin] What? 1619 01:08:52,596 --> 01:08:53,872 Okay, yeah, Greata's not coming. 1620 01:08:53,896 --> 01:08:56,041 -What happened to Greata? -Well, it doesn't matter. 1621 01:08:56,065 --> 01:08:58,076 A series of events probably occurred, 1622 01:08:58,100 --> 01:09:00,512 all involving, you know, strangers' dicks 1623 01:09:00,536 --> 01:09:02,948 and, uh, and, you know, Colombian cocaine. 1624 01:09:02,972 --> 01:09:04,082 But that's not the point. 1625 01:09:04,106 --> 01:09:05,684 The point is she's not going to be here. 1626 01:09:05,708 --> 01:09:07,285 [Chad] Greata's gonna do whatever she wants 1627 01:09:07,309 --> 01:09:08,453 at any given moment. 1628 01:09:08,477 --> 01:09:10,989 Um, she's driven purely by instinct 1629 01:09:11,013 --> 01:09:13,658 and her own id, I think. 1630 01:09:13,682 --> 01:09:16,595 If she wants cocaine, that's what she's gonna do. 1631 01:09:16,619 --> 01:09:19,164 If she wants to show up on set, great, she'll be there that day. 1632 01:09:19,188 --> 01:09:21,557 If not, tough shit. 1633 01:09:21,991 --> 01:09:24,636 [Ivan] We're getting ready to do the big helicopter scene, 1634 01:09:24,660 --> 01:09:27,272 stuns several cameras, everybody's in place. 1635 01:09:27,296 --> 01:09:30,175 It's a big, it's a big scene to pull off. 1636 01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:31,910 Helicopter is in the air. 1637 01:09:31,934 --> 01:09:34,513 Everything is ready, and Greata doesn't show up. 1638 01:09:34,537 --> 01:09:36,648 Yeah. No, it's okay. We'll come get you. 1639 01:09:36,672 --> 01:09:38,650 Lisa, where's your fucking client, boo? 1640 01:09:38,674 --> 01:09:41,253 -I'm leaving her a voicemail. -She's not on the phone? 1641 01:09:41,277 --> 01:09:43,889 She is at a Vietnamese restaurant in Burbank. 1642 01:09:43,913 --> 01:09:45,290 Okay, okay. Can we... 1643 01:09:45,314 --> 01:09:47,626 I think she just felt 1644 01:09:47,650 --> 01:09:50,562 that production revolved around her. 1645 01:09:50,586 --> 01:09:54,166 No consideration for cast, no consideration for crew, 1646 01:09:54,190 --> 01:09:56,101 no consideration for Pace. 1647 01:09:56,125 --> 01:09:57,636 Everyone out here is scared of you. 1648 01:09:57,660 --> 01:09:59,938 I'm not scared of you. I'm sexually attracted to you. 1649 01:09:59,962 --> 01:10:01,606 [Christopher] We're fucking done! I'm done! 1650 01:10:01,630 --> 01:10:03,441 -Hi, sweetie. Yeah, okay. -Fuck you! Fuck you! 1651 01:10:03,465 --> 01:10:07,012 Fuck her! I love you. I'm sorry. It's not about you. 1652 01:10:07,036 --> 01:10:08,079 Fuck you! I'm done. 1653 01:10:08,103 --> 01:10:09,548 I love you too, Pace. 1654 01:10:09,572 --> 01:10:12,217 We contracted Greata for nine months. 1655 01:10:12,241 --> 01:10:14,743 She was killed on the 60th day, 1656 01:10:15,010 --> 01:10:19,391 and of the 60 days, she only showed up on set 37. 1657 01:10:19,415 --> 01:10:21,793 You can let her know, or you let Tedd know, 1658 01:10:21,817 --> 01:10:23,361 that if she does not come tomorrow, 1659 01:10:23,385 --> 01:10:24,563 I will fucking kill her, 1660 01:10:24,587 --> 01:10:25,997 'cause I don't appreciate the volatility. 1661 01:10:26,021 --> 01:10:28,600 She's not here now, she won't be here permanently. 1662 01:10:28,624 --> 01:10:29,535 That's it. 1663 01:10:29,559 --> 01:10:33,371 Greata was murdered that night by THK. 1664 01:10:33,395 --> 01:10:35,440 The video of her murder, like the others, 1665 01:10:35,464 --> 01:10:38,376 was posted moments after it was taken. 1666 01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:39,744 And the next day, 1667 01:10:39,768 --> 01:10:45,617 the FBI officially classified THK as a serial killer. 1668 01:10:45,641 --> 01:10:47,352 And that's when I got involved. 1669 01:10:47,376 --> 01:10:52,014 [eerie music] [Greata screaming] 1670 01:11:00,155 --> 01:11:06,471 There's a level of infamy that a serial killer makes it to 1671 01:11:06,495 --> 01:11:08,807 when they become known forever. 1672 01:11:08,831 --> 01:11:10,675 Pop culture icons. 1673 01:11:10,699 --> 01:11:12,911 White women can't get enough. 1674 01:11:12,935 --> 01:11:17,039 BTK, Night Stalker, Zodiac. 1675 01:11:17,473 --> 01:11:20,042 Now we've got The Hollywood Killer. 1676 01:11:20,476 --> 01:11:22,554 The first thing I did when I got on this case 1677 01:11:22,578 --> 01:11:24,656 was to subpoena the footage. 1678 01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,024 Upon reviewing it, I learned 1679 01:11:26,048 --> 01:11:29,160 that the cameras were rolling the entire time. 1680 01:11:29,184 --> 01:11:31,429 Something which I kept to myself, 1681 01:11:31,453 --> 01:11:33,431 as I knew this would be 1682 01:11:33,455 --> 01:11:35,724 my greatest resource of evidence. 1683 01:11:36,292 --> 01:11:38,136 And it was. 1684 01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:39,638 If anything ever happened to me, 1685 01:11:39,662 --> 01:11:42,173 if I ever died, look at fucking Melvin. 1686 01:11:42,197 --> 01:11:43,475 It's definitely Melvin. 1687 01:11:43,499 --> 01:11:46,411 It's never a good sign when the murdered person 1688 01:11:46,435 --> 01:11:48,780 calls you out by name, 1689 01:11:48,804 --> 01:11:52,217 but that's what happened to our fifth suspect. 1690 01:11:52,241 --> 01:11:54,185 Melvin Asher. [eerie music] 1691 01:11:54,209 --> 01:11:56,721 The overwhelming theory on Melvin 1692 01:11:56,745 --> 01:11:58,790 is that he wasn't happy with the actresses 1693 01:11:58,814 --> 01:12:01,726 and killed them one by one until he got 1694 01:12:01,750 --> 01:12:03,995 the one he thought could win him an Oscar. 1695 01:12:04,019 --> 01:12:08,400 His relationship with Greata certainly didn't help his case. 1696 01:12:08,424 --> 01:12:11,403 Greata, if you fuck this movie up for me, 1697 01:12:11,427 --> 01:12:12,971 I'll kill you. 1698 01:12:12,995 --> 01:12:16,941 The three things I look for in every serial killer's mind 1699 01:12:16,965 --> 01:12:20,545 are lack of remorse, the need to control, 1700 01:12:20,569 --> 01:12:24,106 and narcissistic personality disorder. 1701 01:12:24,373 --> 01:12:25,750 [Thomas] Can you tell me a little bit 1702 01:12:25,774 --> 01:12:27,452 about your relationship with Melvin? 1703 01:12:27,476 --> 01:12:29,387 Yeah, I, uh, [chuckles] 1704 01:12:29,411 --> 01:12:30,889 I was the lead of The Tarantula Prince. 1705 01:12:30,913 --> 01:12:34,025 That's his first movie. It's kind of what broke him out. 1706 01:12:34,049 --> 01:12:35,093 You're welcome. 1707 01:12:35,117 --> 01:12:39,364 [dramatic classical music] [swashbuckler laughs] 1708 01:12:39,388 --> 01:12:42,200 -[sword swishes] -To your death! 1709 01:12:42,224 --> 01:12:46,795 [swashbucklers grunting] 1710 01:13:01,310 --> 01:13:05,681 Yeah! 1711 01:13:06,281 --> 01:13:11,096 On paper, Melvin's probably your prototype for a killer. 1712 01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,531 He's got the size, he's got the anger, 1713 01:13:13,555 --> 01:13:15,100 he's got the snapping, 1714 01:13:15,124 --> 01:13:16,701 all the psychosis that goes 1715 01:13:16,725 --> 01:13:18,370 into being able to murder someone. 1716 01:13:18,394 --> 01:13:20,438 Hey, have you seen this man's intensity? 1717 01:13:20,462 --> 01:13:21,840 Wait till you interview him. 1718 01:13:21,864 --> 01:13:23,675 That guy doesn't say anything on accident. 1719 01:13:23,699 --> 01:13:27,569 I think his entire life story is rehearsed in a mirror, man. 1720 01:13:28,103 --> 01:13:31,816 [grunting] 1721 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,310 Today is the day I win an Oscar. 1722 01:13:35,611 --> 01:13:38,390 I will win an Oscar today. 1723 01:13:38,414 --> 01:13:40,158 I am not a contender. 1724 01:13:40,182 --> 01:13:42,260 I am the fucking adventurer. 1725 01:13:42,284 --> 01:13:44,429 I will win this fucking Oscar. 1726 01:13:44,453 --> 01:13:46,664 I am not a loser. I am a winner. 1727 01:13:46,688 --> 01:13:49,801 I am not a bridesmaid. I'm the fucking bride. 1728 01:13:49,825 --> 01:13:50,959 Let's go. 1729 01:13:52,494 --> 01:13:55,640 [Thomas] Do you think there's any chance 1730 01:13:55,664 --> 01:13:58,910 that Melvin Asher was the killer? 1731 01:13:58,934 --> 01:14:02,871 [inhales sharply] Yeah, sure. Uh, it's, uh, possible. 1732 01:14:03,238 --> 01:14:06,184 If I was to write the story of Melvin as murderer, 1733 01:14:06,208 --> 01:14:07,585 I would tell it like this. 1734 01:14:07,609 --> 01:14:09,788 A man who has already achieved 1735 01:14:09,812 --> 01:14:12,190 great wealth and success and fame 1736 01:14:12,214 --> 01:14:14,125 from the movies he's done and yet is not satisfied. 1737 01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:15,827 He wants prestige. He wants something more. 1738 01:14:15,851 --> 01:14:18,229 He wants to be taken seriously. And he finds himself 1739 01:14:18,253 --> 01:14:20,598 on a movie where he believes he can do just that. 1740 01:14:20,622 --> 01:14:22,667 And yet there are women 1741 01:14:22,691 --> 01:14:25,437 that he perceives to be in his way. 1742 01:14:25,461 --> 01:14:27,572 Now, what does a man 1743 01:14:27,596 --> 01:14:29,808 who knows he cannot achieve happiness 1744 01:14:29,832 --> 01:14:32,911 unless he wins an award for this film, 1745 01:14:32,935 --> 01:14:35,180 what is this man willing to do? 1746 01:14:35,204 --> 01:14:36,815 Would he kill for it? 1747 01:14:36,839 --> 01:14:39,717 In this story, I believe he does. 1748 01:14:39,741 --> 01:14:43,421 You know, signing on to Dissident was a dream for me. 1749 01:14:43,445 --> 01:14:44,556 Hey, Melvin. 1750 01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:47,149 What do you think bad acting looks like? 1751 01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:50,128 -Like bad acting? -There it is. 1752 01:14:50,152 --> 01:14:52,664 I see it. It's, it's like this. I see it right now. 1753 01:14:52,688 --> 01:14:54,365 -Stop it. -All right. All right, let's go. 1754 01:14:54,389 --> 01:14:57,535 Working with Pace is something 1755 01:14:57,559 --> 01:15:01,263 I wish every performer could do. 1756 01:15:01,597 --> 01:15:05,109 Okay, he pulls the artist from the actor. 1757 01:15:05,133 --> 01:15:07,345 And after doing the Quick and Quicker films 1758 01:15:07,369 --> 01:15:09,214 for the last decade, 1759 01:15:09,238 --> 01:15:10,715 it's what I needed. 1760 01:15:10,739 --> 01:15:13,485 But knowing this footage is out there, 1761 01:15:13,509 --> 01:15:15,386 I can understand how people 1762 01:15:15,410 --> 01:15:17,255 could have this perception of me. 1763 01:15:17,279 --> 01:15:22,551 I hope they know that I truly, truly cared about this film. 1764 01:15:22,851 --> 01:15:25,296 And then at my core, I'm... 1765 01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,632 You know, I'm just a good guy. 1766 01:15:27,656 --> 01:15:29,868 What the fuck, man? 1767 01:15:29,892 --> 01:15:33,095 Ivan, what are we fucking doing?! 1768 01:15:34,129 --> 01:15:36,441 I know people have their opinions on him, 1769 01:15:36,465 --> 01:15:38,510 but I love Melvin. 1770 01:15:38,534 --> 01:15:39,944 He's my godfather. 1771 01:15:39,968 --> 01:15:42,113 He took that role very seriously. 1772 01:15:42,137 --> 01:15:44,716 He postponed production on a major motion picture 1773 01:15:44,740 --> 01:15:46,484 so he wouldn't miss the opening night 1774 01:15:46,508 --> 01:15:47,952 of my school play. 1775 01:15:47,976 --> 01:15:50,922 He taught me how to drive when I was, like, 13. 1776 01:15:50,946 --> 01:15:55,426 And he was the first person to say, "Do it," 1777 01:15:55,450 --> 01:15:57,662 when I wanted to make movies. 1778 01:15:57,686 --> 01:16:01,757 That being said, he had issues with the girls. 1779 01:16:02,391 --> 01:16:03,835 He fought with Ava. 1780 01:16:03,859 --> 01:16:05,537 It's really hard to act with somebody who's so dumb, 1781 01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:06,604 but it's okay. 1782 01:16:06,628 --> 01:16:07,739 [Christopher] This is a Melvin thing? 1783 01:16:07,763 --> 01:16:09,240 -Because of his stupidity? -"So dumb"? 1784 01:16:09,264 --> 01:16:11,342 [Christopher] We had an entire meeting about how stupid he is. 1785 01:16:11,366 --> 01:16:12,477 "So dumb"? 1786 01:16:12,501 --> 01:16:14,045 I mean, he has 45 million dollars, so... 1787 01:16:14,069 --> 01:16:17,749 Yeah, you know communication is only 30% verbal, right? 1788 01:16:17,773 --> 01:16:19,250 So what you said doesn't matter. 1789 01:16:19,274 --> 01:16:21,286 I don't know that you know what you're talking about at all. 1790 01:16:21,310 --> 01:16:22,520 I'm, guys, I'm so tired. 1791 01:16:22,544 --> 01:16:23,888 I really am hungry and I gotta go. 1792 01:16:23,912 --> 01:16:25,023 [Christopher] Don't run away from the fight. 1793 01:16:25,047 --> 01:16:26,558 -Just engage with him. -Oh, no, no, no... 1794 01:16:26,582 --> 01:16:28,026 He's an asshole. He's the worst. 1795 01:16:28,050 --> 01:16:30,094 An asshole? I was trying to help. I was trying to help. 1796 01:16:30,118 --> 01:16:32,363 -Subtext, okay? Great, awesome. -Oh, yeah. 1797 01:16:32,387 --> 01:16:33,364 Oh, okay. So you're just... 1798 01:16:33,388 --> 01:16:35,800 You're so smart, sweetie. Yeah, just look pretty. 1799 01:16:35,824 --> 01:16:37,702 You're very handsome. That's good for you. 1800 01:16:37,726 --> 01:16:39,237 -Thank you. I appreciate that. -Can we go? 1801 01:16:39,261 --> 01:16:42,297 He never thought Barbera was right for the role. 1802 01:16:42,631 --> 01:16:44,776 -Get rid of her. -No, I... 1803 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,511 You know how much money that's gonna cost? 1804 01:16:46,535 --> 01:16:47,912 You know, all the things involved. 1805 01:16:47,936 --> 01:16:49,681 I don't know if I have it in me. 1806 01:16:49,705 --> 01:16:53,051 John, it'll cost you less money. I'll waive my fee. 1807 01:16:53,075 --> 01:16:54,619 And Greata? 1808 01:16:54,643 --> 01:16:58,180 Well, he despised Greata. 1809 01:16:58,580 --> 01:17:00,291 This has been the pinnacle of my career, 1810 01:17:00,315 --> 01:17:01,893 working with each and every one of you. 1811 01:17:01,917 --> 01:17:04,853 I appreciate and I love 1812 01:17:05,153 --> 01:17:07,966 every single one of you on this set, okay? 1813 01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:09,834 And I just wanna, I just wanna thank you. 1814 01:17:09,858 --> 01:17:12,203 I love you all. Uh, except for Greata. 1815 01:17:12,227 --> 01:17:14,472 I hope she fucking dies. All right, that's it. 1816 01:17:14,496 --> 01:17:15,840 -Let's go. -You're done? 1817 01:17:15,864 --> 01:17:19,334 Working with Greata was the worst experience of my life. 1818 01:17:19,701 --> 01:17:22,246 -She even know here lines? -You know your line? 1819 01:17:22,270 --> 01:17:23,414 [obnoxious chewing] 1820 01:17:23,438 --> 01:17:25,718 -Of course I know my lines. -Can you say for me, please? 1821 01:17:28,610 --> 01:17:31,022 -Pearl? -There you go. 1822 01:17:31,046 --> 01:17:34,125 Greata did not deserve to be in this movie. 1823 01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:37,695 She had no respect for the craft or her fellow actors. 1824 01:17:37,719 --> 01:17:38,963 She didn't even remember her fucking line! 1825 01:17:38,987 --> 01:17:40,264 Okay, okay, okay. You know what I want? 1826 01:17:40,288 --> 01:17:41,766 Where's her juice? Where's her fucking... 1827 01:17:41,790 --> 01:17:42,934 No, no, this is what we need. 1828 01:17:42,958 --> 01:17:44,669 You've done the action films, right? Okay? 1829 01:17:44,693 --> 01:17:45,970 I want you to apply some pressure. 1830 01:17:45,994 --> 01:17:47,238 Sleeper hold. Don't let her pass out! 1831 01:17:47,262 --> 01:17:49,173 Bro, you gotta fucking micro dose her! 1832 01:17:49,197 --> 01:17:50,174 Just a little bit. 1833 01:17:50,198 --> 01:17:51,542 -Give her her alcohol. -That's the micro dose! 1834 01:17:51,566 --> 01:17:55,046 [Melvin] I wanted to be exceptional in this film. 1835 01:17:55,070 --> 01:17:56,748 And she was inhibiting me 1836 01:17:56,772 --> 01:17:59,384 from reaching my potential with this character. 1837 01:17:59,408 --> 01:18:01,176 And I have to be honest. 1838 01:18:03,145 --> 01:18:05,047 It affected me. 1839 01:18:05,447 --> 01:18:09,527 Greata, do you know how many scenes in cars I've had to do 1840 01:18:09,551 --> 01:18:13,055 to do this scene in this fucking car? 1841 01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:17,101 First you threaten me, and then you fucking yell at me! 1842 01:18:17,125 --> 01:18:18,636 I don't know who you think you are, 1843 01:18:18,660 --> 01:18:20,338 but you're messing with the wrong person. 1844 01:18:20,362 --> 01:18:22,407 You really don't wanna fucking threaten me. 1845 01:18:22,431 --> 01:18:26,702 Melvin hates Greata more than I hate Tedd. 1846 01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:31,482 My entire fucking life I worked to be here! 1847 01:18:31,506 --> 01:18:34,619 In this car? Right now? God, that must be depressing. 1848 01:18:34,643 --> 01:18:37,288 [Martin] It was never-ending, all day, 1849 01:18:37,312 --> 01:18:40,482 every day. Greata, Greata, Greata. 1850 01:18:41,450 --> 01:18:43,085 [sighs] 1851 01:18:43,351 --> 01:18:44,529 She's doing fucking coke. 1852 01:18:44,553 --> 01:18:46,597 She's showing up late. It's un-fucking-believable, man! 1853 01:18:46,621 --> 01:18:47,999 [Martin] Hey, calm down. 1854 01:18:48,023 --> 01:18:51,269 No, no, she's fucking up Pace's words, right? 1855 01:18:51,293 --> 01:18:55,063 She's fucking up Ivan's vision, and she's fucking up my Oscar! 1856 01:18:55,363 --> 01:18:56,808 It's fucking, God... 1857 01:18:56,832 --> 01:18:59,277 If it's meant to be, you'll get the Oscar. 1858 01:18:59,301 --> 01:19:01,813 -I am gonna get the Oscar. -That's what I'm talking about. 1859 01:19:01,837 --> 01:19:05,616 She's fucking it up, man! Pisses me off. 1860 01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,852 If all that wasn't enough, 1861 01:19:07,876 --> 01:19:11,122 Pace got Melvin to confess to the murders. 1862 01:19:11,146 --> 01:19:13,891 You can do it. "I strangled those three women." 1863 01:19:13,915 --> 01:19:16,094 -I strangled those three women. -"And it felt good." 1864 01:19:16,118 --> 01:19:18,362 -And it felt good. -"And it felt right." 1865 01:19:18,386 --> 01:19:20,465 -And it felt right. -"Because it was right. 1866 01:19:20,489 --> 01:19:23,134 -Especially fucking Greata." -[inhales sharply] 1867 01:19:23,158 --> 01:19:25,136 Oh, yeah, that one! That one! 1868 01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:26,337 [roars] 1869 01:19:26,361 --> 01:19:27,739 -Yes! Yes. -[roars] 1870 01:19:27,763 --> 01:19:30,241 -That one felt good. -[roars] 1871 01:19:30,265 --> 01:19:33,945 [Smitty] When he admitted that he did the murder, 1872 01:19:33,969 --> 01:19:36,180 we didn't know whether it was maybe performance, 1873 01:19:36,204 --> 01:19:39,250 you know, he's going after that Oscar or not, 1874 01:19:39,274 --> 01:19:42,844 but, man, we all looked around and said, "Holy shit." 1875 01:19:44,112 --> 01:19:46,948 [Thomas] What do you have to say about the confession? 1876 01:19:48,650 --> 01:19:50,318 Method acting. 1877 01:19:51,286 --> 01:19:54,899 Melvin never wanted Ava, Barbera, or Greata 1878 01:19:54,923 --> 01:19:56,467 in Dissident. 1879 01:19:56,491 --> 01:20:00,271 There was only one actress he thought was right for the part. 1880 01:20:00,295 --> 01:20:03,841 And after every murder, he would pitch her to Tedd. 1881 01:20:03,865 --> 01:20:06,344 Sort of singles until we find a new actress. 1882 01:20:06,368 --> 01:20:07,945 -By the way, I talked to Tedd. -Huh? 1883 01:20:07,969 --> 01:20:09,914 -Audrey's available. -Who? 1884 01:20:09,938 --> 01:20:11,382 Audrey Evans. 1885 01:20:11,406 --> 01:20:13,451 Who is Audrey Evans? 1886 01:20:13,475 --> 01:20:14,552 You feel inspired? 1887 01:20:14,576 --> 01:20:17,755 No, I don't feel inspired. I'm fucking freezing. 1888 01:20:17,779 --> 01:20:19,791 You can't take inspiration from the cold? 1889 01:20:19,815 --> 01:20:21,926 I fucking hate you. I, I fucking hate you. 1890 01:20:21,950 --> 01:20:23,761 I fantasize about you fucking dying. 1891 01:20:23,785 --> 01:20:25,863 I hope you get fucking syphilis. You probably already have it 1892 01:20:25,887 --> 01:20:27,165 because you're sleeping with Ava. 1893 01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:29,300 I fucking hate you. Everyone fucking hates you! 1894 01:20:29,324 --> 01:20:31,769 -Okay, okay, okay. -And I hope you fucking die! 1895 01:20:31,793 --> 01:20:34,672 Now let's meet our fourth and final girl, 1896 01:20:34,696 --> 01:20:36,240 Audrey Evans. 1897 01:20:36,264 --> 01:20:38,743 Audrey Evans, I, I'm a big fan. 1898 01:20:38,767 --> 01:20:40,211 She's really an excellent actress. 1899 01:20:40,235 --> 01:20:41,646 She does all her own stunts. 1900 01:20:41,670 --> 01:20:44,482 There's really very little that she has not accomplished. 1901 01:20:44,506 --> 01:20:47,952 I do think that her ending up in Dissident makes sense. 1902 01:20:47,976 --> 01:20:50,922 She's there in a way to avenge 1903 01:20:50,946 --> 01:20:53,057 her co-star from Blue Orchid, Greata, 1904 01:20:53,081 --> 01:20:55,092 who had a tragic fate on Dissident. 1905 01:20:55,116 --> 01:20:57,261 And I think, I think she kicks ass in the film. 1906 01:20:57,285 --> 01:20:59,554 I think she does a great job. 1907 01:21:00,188 --> 01:21:03,058 I was so excited to do this movie. 1908 01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:05,327 But... 1909 01:21:05,994 --> 01:21:07,863 The time has come. 1910 01:21:13,501 --> 01:21:15,003 For what? 1911 01:21:16,938 --> 01:21:18,440 It's time. 1912 01:21:19,908 --> 01:21:24,555 [laughing] I'm sorry. Are we going? 1913 01:21:24,579 --> 01:21:25,590 This film was a nightmare. 1914 01:21:25,614 --> 01:21:28,292 I've never had a worse time doing something. 1915 01:21:28,316 --> 01:21:30,228 They don't give you a script. 1916 01:21:30,252 --> 01:21:31,462 They don't tell you what's happening. 1917 01:21:31,486 --> 01:21:33,764 You don't even know who else is in the scene. 1918 01:21:33,788 --> 01:21:35,366 They just go. They press record. 1919 01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:37,835 Actually, I don't even know if they ever did press record 1920 01:21:37,859 --> 01:21:39,503 because it's just constantly rolling. 1921 01:21:39,527 --> 01:21:41,806 You just go. And people are just saying shit. 1922 01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:43,507 And you just have to go with it. 1923 01:21:43,531 --> 01:21:45,943 Why are you going along with what he says? 1924 01:21:45,967 --> 01:21:47,345 Sister, I'm at the bottom of the call sheet. 1925 01:21:47,369 --> 01:21:49,413 "Sister"? What am I the fucking sister? 1926 01:21:49,437 --> 01:21:50,315 It's not my place! 1927 01:21:50,339 --> 01:21:51,816 I thought you were my fucking friend. 1928 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,184 -You are a joke. -I am your friend. 1929 01:21:53,208 --> 01:21:55,119 -You fucking pussy! -Ah! I'm your friend! 1930 01:21:55,143 --> 01:21:56,454 -You're a fucking loser! -I'm your friend! 1931 01:21:56,478 --> 01:21:59,390 -You're a fucking... -No! No! Ah! 1932 01:21:59,414 --> 01:22:01,259 -Not in the water! -I fucking hate you! 1933 01:22:01,283 --> 01:22:03,594 I thought you were my friend, you piece of shit! 1934 01:22:03,618 --> 01:22:06,864 Why are you just going along with whatever the fuck he says? 1935 01:22:06,888 --> 01:22:09,667 [indistinct] 1936 01:22:09,691 --> 01:22:11,669 I have no control here. 1937 01:22:11,693 --> 01:22:12,937 What you have to understand 1938 01:22:12,961 --> 01:22:15,039 is that Audrey comes into this film, 1939 01:22:15,063 --> 01:22:16,841 I don't know, 500 days into it or something. 1940 01:22:16,865 --> 01:22:19,844 She's the fourth actress. Three actresses have died. 1941 01:22:19,868 --> 01:22:21,312 She's got a lot on her shoulders. 1942 01:22:21,336 --> 01:22:24,315 I mean, this is someone who is following in footsteps 1943 01:22:24,339 --> 01:22:25,983 that are basically tainted. 1944 01:22:26,007 --> 01:22:27,518 And finally, most fundamental, 1945 01:22:27,542 --> 01:22:29,153 have you ever been inside a Turkish prison? 1946 01:22:29,177 --> 01:22:31,422 -Why are you yelling? -Why am I yelling? 1947 01:22:31,446 --> 01:22:33,624 Because I'm fucking passionate! Why aren't you yelling? 1948 01:22:33,648 --> 01:22:38,296 After her first week on set, Audrey called me and she said, 1949 01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:41,365 "I'm going to take over this fucking movie." 1950 01:22:41,389 --> 01:22:44,859 Some people get on a bad set and they see it as a problem. 1951 01:22:45,193 --> 01:22:47,796 I see it as an opportunity. 1952 01:22:48,363 --> 01:22:51,967 An opportunity to take over the whole fucking production. 1953 01:22:53,568 --> 01:22:55,670 Choose a fucking side. 1954 01:22:57,539 --> 01:22:58,950 [Christopher] Cut! 1955 01:22:58,974 --> 01:23:01,886 Holy shit. [screams] Oh, my God. 1956 01:23:01,910 --> 01:23:03,788 Oh, calm down. It's not even loaded. 1957 01:23:03,812 --> 01:23:05,080 Sorry. 1958 01:23:05,347 --> 01:23:08,960 I started off as Audrey's assistant, 1959 01:23:08,984 --> 01:23:10,594 um, which, as we all know, 1960 01:23:10,618 --> 01:23:13,965 and you guys have seen, um, was brutal. 1961 01:23:13,989 --> 01:23:16,901 Sandra, get the fuck out. Go on! 1962 01:23:16,925 --> 01:23:18,302 [Sandra] Oh, God. Oh, sorry. 1963 01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:21,706 I was one of Audrey's biggest fans. 1964 01:23:21,730 --> 01:23:23,341 Oh, it's so hot. 1965 01:23:23,365 --> 01:23:25,009 Your mother called and your agent called. 1966 01:23:25,033 --> 01:23:26,744 Who would you like me to call back first? 1967 01:23:26,768 --> 01:23:27,945 -My agent. -Okay. 1968 01:23:27,969 --> 01:23:29,914 I got that. Oh, let me see. 1969 01:23:29,938 --> 01:23:32,516 I mean, I grew up looking up to her. 1970 01:23:32,540 --> 01:23:35,186 She's one of those people that does her own stunts. 1971 01:23:35,210 --> 01:23:38,889 She's like the modern day female version of Tom Cruise. 1972 01:23:38,913 --> 01:23:40,491 She's pretty incredible and amazing. 1973 01:23:40,515 --> 01:23:43,585 Um, except she's just a terrible person. 1974 01:23:44,552 --> 01:23:46,063 [crying] I'm just really overwhelmed! 1975 01:23:46,087 --> 01:23:48,232 How is he supposed to do his job if you're standing here crying? 1976 01:23:48,256 --> 01:23:51,402 -Yeah, you think about that. -Waa! Waa! Waa! Waa! 1977 01:23:51,426 --> 01:23:54,829 Oh, my God, just go to my trailer! 1978 01:23:55,163 --> 01:23:58,142 Fuck me! Sorry, she's just... 1979 01:23:58,166 --> 01:24:00,211 I remember Audrey's first day. 1980 01:24:00,235 --> 01:24:01,479 Pace said he wanted to test her, 1981 01:24:01,503 --> 01:24:04,348 but I think he wanted to make her quit. 1982 01:24:04,372 --> 01:24:07,451 [Christopher] I need less acting from the fire! 1983 01:24:07,475 --> 01:24:10,921 -[coughing] -Down! Take it down! 1984 01:24:10,945 --> 01:24:13,858 [Martin] Look, we burned through 11 Ferraris that day 1985 01:24:13,882 --> 01:24:16,017 to get a 10-second scene. 1986 01:24:16,284 --> 01:24:19,230 To Audrey, this was all insane, but to all of us, 1987 01:24:19,254 --> 01:24:22,666 this was just another typical day on Dissident. 1988 01:24:22,690 --> 01:24:25,593 [Audrey] You met me at a strange time in my life. 1989 01:24:29,297 --> 01:24:32,176 We were so fortunate to have Audrey. 1990 01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:33,544 She made this movie 1991 01:24:33,568 --> 01:24:36,380 and was just a pleasure to share scenes with. 1992 01:24:36,404 --> 01:24:38,883 I know Audrey hated Pace's methods, 1993 01:24:38,907 --> 01:24:40,851 but that's what it takes. 1994 01:24:40,875 --> 01:24:44,622 He does whatever he needs to get the best out of you. 1995 01:24:44,646 --> 01:24:46,557 The real question before we begin is, 1996 01:24:46,581 --> 01:24:49,760 do either of you know what a paradox is? 1997 01:24:49,784 --> 01:24:51,629 -No. -God, no. 1998 01:24:51,653 --> 01:24:54,065 And that's what he did for Audrey. 1999 01:24:54,089 --> 01:24:55,966 He challenged her. 2000 01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:58,402 Both of you are movie stars 2001 01:24:58,426 --> 01:25:00,971 and yet are completely without talent. 2002 01:25:00,995 --> 01:25:02,406 -This is a paradox. -What? 2003 01:25:02,430 --> 01:25:04,775 It's not that she's deeply untalented. 2004 01:25:04,799 --> 01:25:05,776 I won't say that. 2005 01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,813 I, I don't think Audrey is, is untalented. 2006 01:25:08,837 --> 01:25:10,614 The, the issue is, you know, 2007 01:25:10,638 --> 01:25:13,717 what is your talent, uh, being used for? 2008 01:25:13,741 --> 01:25:16,821 And like a cancer, uh, Audrey's talent 2009 01:25:16,845 --> 01:25:22,059 is to turn the facets of life of the film 2010 01:25:22,083 --> 01:25:23,160 in on themselves 2011 01:25:23,184 --> 01:25:25,796 and to destroy from, from within. 2012 01:25:25,820 --> 01:25:30,634 Um, so a talented girl, uh, uh, a terrible actress. 2013 01:25:30,658 --> 01:25:33,795 [Dustin] Whether you like him or not, Pace is the boss. 2014 01:25:34,195 --> 01:25:36,740 And Audrey always wants to be the boss. 2015 01:25:36,764 --> 01:25:37,908 She's a control freak. 2016 01:25:37,932 --> 01:25:41,445 She needs to take over everything and manipulate it. 2017 01:25:41,469 --> 01:25:44,081 I'm about to fucking direct this myself 2018 01:25:44,105 --> 01:25:45,883 if you don't fucking figure your shit out! 2019 01:25:45,907 --> 01:25:49,487 I have, like, 0% body fat, I'm fucking freezing, 2020 01:25:49,511 --> 01:25:52,380 and this has been going on way too long! 2021 01:25:53,515 --> 01:25:54,692 Ah, shit! 2022 01:25:54,716 --> 01:25:57,795 -Don't fucking touch me! -I don't know. 2023 01:25:57,819 --> 01:25:59,463 God, fuck! 2024 01:25:59,487 --> 01:26:01,899 I need you to get this pine cone down! 2025 01:26:01,923 --> 01:26:05,302 Oh, my God! Where are you going? 2026 01:26:05,326 --> 01:26:07,962 To get the pine cone down! 2027 01:26:08,263 --> 01:26:09,807 [Audrey] I called Tedd, crying, 2028 01:26:09,831 --> 01:26:13,201 begged him to get me out of this shit show. 2029 01:26:13,535 --> 01:26:16,104 And I'll never forget what he said. 2030 01:26:16,504 --> 01:26:19,884 He said, "The only way you're getting out of this film 2031 01:26:19,908 --> 01:26:21,543 is in a body bag." 2032 01:26:24,412 --> 01:26:27,291 You just make up your mind, I will do whatever you want. 2033 01:26:27,315 --> 01:26:30,361 Just choose one thing and I will fucking... 2034 01:26:30,385 --> 01:26:31,562 [Christopher] You'll do whatever I want? 2035 01:26:31,586 --> 01:26:32,930 I will, I will do whatever you want. 2036 01:26:32,954 --> 01:26:35,924 [Christopher] That's fantastic. Quit! Quit. 2037 01:26:37,292 --> 01:26:38,569 Quit. Leave the set. 2038 01:26:38,593 --> 01:26:41,605 I can't fire you 'cause I, I already fired, uh, Barb, 2039 01:26:41,629 --> 01:26:43,140 tried to, then they killed her. 2040 01:26:43,164 --> 01:26:44,341 Greata, tried, then they killed her. 2041 01:26:44,365 --> 01:26:45,876 Well, hopefully, they'll fucking kill me. 2042 01:26:45,900 --> 01:26:48,212 [Christopher] I... God, you're preaching to the fucking choir! 2043 01:26:48,236 --> 01:26:50,047 But if you want to avoid that, 2044 01:26:50,071 --> 01:26:52,106 why don't you just walk off the set? 2045 01:26:52,340 --> 01:26:54,185 You know what I mean? Wouldn't that be easier? 2046 01:26:54,209 --> 01:26:55,586 You just let go. 2047 01:26:55,610 --> 01:26:57,488 Imagine someone has their hands around your throat, okay? 2048 01:26:57,512 --> 01:26:58,822 Just tell me what you want... 2049 01:26:58,846 --> 01:27:00,357 [Christopher] And they're... I want you to quit. 2050 01:27:00,381 --> 01:27:01,759 I just want you to die. You're struggling. 2051 01:27:01,783 --> 01:27:03,494 You're fighting back. Just let go. 2052 01:27:03,518 --> 01:27:06,797 Let darkness take you. Return to the void. 2053 01:27:06,821 --> 01:27:08,599 Just let go. There it is. 2054 01:27:08,623 --> 01:27:10,401 There it is. She's letting go. 2055 01:27:10,425 --> 01:27:12,937 We see that? Let go. Okay. 2056 01:27:12,961 --> 01:27:14,038 Keep letting go. 2057 01:27:14,062 --> 01:27:15,406 Beautiful. Can we roll? 2058 01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:18,866 -We rolling? Okay. Let go. -[Ivan] Yeah, we're rolling. 2059 01:27:19,434 --> 01:27:22,770 [Christopher] This is beautiful. All right. And action. 2060 01:27:23,838 --> 01:27:25,416 [heavy breathing] 2061 01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:28,452 No, you're holding on. Let go. Let go! 2062 01:27:28,476 --> 01:27:30,654 No, don't make a snow angel. There it is! 2063 01:27:30,678 --> 01:27:31,623 She let go. 2064 01:27:31,647 --> 01:27:33,891 Pace can say he hated Audrey all he wants, 2065 01:27:33,915 --> 01:27:36,760 but he did all of this very intentionally to get 2066 01:27:36,784 --> 01:27:39,230 the performance out of her that he wanted. 2067 01:27:39,254 --> 01:27:40,788 And it worked. 2068 01:27:41,522 --> 01:27:43,167 [shallow breathing] 2069 01:27:43,191 --> 01:27:46,470 If you're lucky enough to get out of here with your life, 2070 01:27:46,494 --> 01:27:49,473 you better thank whatever God you pray to. 2071 01:27:49,497 --> 01:27:50,941 [sinister laughing] 2072 01:27:50,965 --> 01:27:52,610 [Christopher] You don't work with people like Audrey. 2073 01:27:52,634 --> 01:27:54,578 You subvert them. You survive them. 2074 01:27:54,602 --> 01:27:57,181 You participate in little wars against them. 2075 01:27:57,205 --> 01:28:00,275 Small coups. You undermine them. 2076 01:28:01,209 --> 01:28:03,387 And you hope to God that they die 2077 01:28:03,411 --> 01:28:05,189 of some sort of coronary event 2078 01:28:05,213 --> 01:28:07,157 before they ever complete whatever task 2079 01:28:07,181 --> 01:28:08,850 they have set out on. 2080 01:28:09,684 --> 01:28:11,119 [grumbles] 2081 01:28:11,419 --> 01:28:14,265 Which brings us to Audrey's attempted murder. 2082 01:28:14,289 --> 01:28:16,700 As you have seen, even someone as gifted 2083 01:28:16,724 --> 01:28:18,469 as gifted as The Hollywood Killer 2084 01:28:18,493 --> 01:28:21,972 was not able to complete a scene with her. 2085 01:28:21,996 --> 01:28:23,974 Or was he? 2086 01:28:23,998 --> 01:28:31,806 [unsettling music] 2087 01:29:32,433 --> 01:29:34,402 [gasps] [screams] 2088 01:29:41,175 --> 01:29:43,554 Despite... 2089 01:29:43,578 --> 01:29:47,491 having all of the circumstances 2090 01:29:47,515 --> 01:29:49,626 that allowed him to complete 2091 01:29:49,650 --> 01:29:53,297 these previous murders successfully abdicates. 2092 01:29:53,321 --> 01:29:56,100 Have you seen the video? He lets her go. 2093 01:29:56,124 --> 01:29:58,669 [choking] Help! 2094 01:29:58,693 --> 01:30:02,239 [choking] [bellowing] 2095 01:30:02,263 --> 01:30:06,067 [panting] [grunts] Help! 2096 01:30:06,467 --> 01:30:07,845 Production on Dissident wrapped 2097 01:30:07,869 --> 01:30:09,580 two days after the attempted murder, 2098 01:30:09,604 --> 01:30:11,782 and as of the recording of this interview, 2099 01:30:11,806 --> 01:30:14,409 The Hollywood Killer has stopped, 2100 01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:17,321 leading many people to believe that the killings 2101 01:30:17,345 --> 01:30:19,690 were motivated by the killer's desire 2102 01:30:19,714 --> 01:30:21,616 to shut down Dissident. 2103 01:30:22,250 --> 01:30:23,861 With that in mind, 2104 01:30:23,885 --> 01:30:27,422 I want to look back at all of the suspects. 2105 01:30:27,722 --> 01:30:29,800 Christopher Pace swore 2106 01:30:29,824 --> 01:30:32,836 that he would do anything to protect his film, 2107 01:30:32,860 --> 01:30:35,072 even burn it to the ground. 2108 01:30:35,096 --> 01:30:39,209 Lawrence Hughes was devastated with Ava leaving him 2109 01:30:39,233 --> 01:30:42,012 and vowed to destroy the film. 2110 01:30:42,036 --> 01:30:43,013 Tedd Mankiewicz, 2111 01:30:43,037 --> 01:30:45,249 with a billion-dollar divorce looming, 2112 01:30:45,273 --> 01:30:49,153 his reputation on the line, and an ego-shattering affair 2113 01:30:49,177 --> 01:30:51,121 between Dustin and Barbera, 2114 01:30:51,145 --> 01:30:55,793 some say Dissident hurt Tedd more than anyone else. 2115 01:30:55,817 --> 01:30:59,563 No one wanted the film to end more than Dustin. 2116 01:30:59,587 --> 01:31:02,399 His downward spiral of heartbreak, addiction, 2117 01:31:02,423 --> 01:31:07,462 and death took him to the edge and pushed him right off. 2118 01:31:07,728 --> 01:31:12,342 Melvin Asher, on his quest for perfection, as an actor, 2119 01:31:12,366 --> 01:31:15,746 Melvin made it clear that he would destroy anyone 2120 01:31:15,770 --> 01:31:17,915 who stood in his way. 2121 01:31:17,939 --> 01:31:19,950 When I started, I thought I was trying 2122 01:31:19,974 --> 01:31:22,019 to find something like the Zodiac Killer. 2123 01:31:22,043 --> 01:31:25,389 But the longer this went on, the more I realized this may be 2124 01:31:25,413 --> 01:31:28,392 more of a Orient Express situation. 2125 01:31:28,416 --> 01:31:30,594 All the suspects were isolated, 2126 01:31:30,618 --> 01:31:34,798 fed disinformation, then weaponized with rage. 2127 01:31:34,822 --> 01:31:37,668 Hollywood Killer's cinematic fingerprint 2128 01:31:37,692 --> 01:31:39,636 is different in each of the murders. 2129 01:31:39,660 --> 01:31:41,505 We are watching different killers 2130 01:31:41,529 --> 01:31:43,674 working from the same script. 2131 01:31:43,698 --> 01:31:46,877 But the question is, who wrote it? 2132 01:31:46,901 --> 01:31:50,514 After 20 years of profiling serial killers, 2133 01:31:50,538 --> 01:31:52,749 there's one thing I can tell you. 2134 01:31:52,773 --> 01:31:54,985 There's no way one suspect 2135 01:31:55,009 --> 01:31:56,887 could have killed all three victims. 2136 01:31:56,911 --> 01:31:59,456 And there's no way these people work together. 2137 01:31:59,480 --> 01:32:01,925 So after considering all possibilities, 2138 01:32:01,949 --> 01:32:04,528 only one person stood to benefit 2139 01:32:04,552 --> 01:32:06,463 from all three deaths. 2140 01:32:06,487 --> 01:32:08,832 The man who owns 20% of the film, 2141 01:32:08,856 --> 01:32:11,602 who kept the cameras rolling the whole time, 2142 01:32:11,626 --> 01:32:14,638 and used the murders of these three actresses 2143 01:32:14,662 --> 01:32:18,141 to launch the most impactful marketing campaign 2144 01:32:18,165 --> 01:32:20,001 in cinema history. 2145 01:32:24,038 --> 01:32:26,283 They say there's nothing more deceptive 2146 01:32:26,307 --> 01:32:27,885 than an obvious fact. 2147 01:32:27,909 --> 01:32:31,922 And the fact is the mastermind of all of this 2148 01:32:31,946 --> 01:32:36,093 was there the whole time, hiding in plain sight. 2149 01:32:36,117 --> 01:32:38,795 I've been working on this documentary for a long time. 2150 01:32:38,819 --> 01:32:41,932 And I think when it comes out and people see this, 2151 01:32:41,956 --> 01:32:44,592 they're going to think that you did this on purpose. 2152 01:32:45,159 --> 01:32:46,937 You know what? 2153 01:32:46,961 --> 01:32:51,275 This world is all about the court of public opinion. 2154 01:32:51,299 --> 01:32:53,143 And I'm not interested in it. 2155 01:32:53,167 --> 01:32:55,812 I'm just interested in creating art. 2156 01:32:55,836 --> 01:32:59,016 Hopefully, my work will be judged by the art that I leave, 2157 01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:00,217 that I create. 2158 01:33:00,241 --> 01:33:02,486 There's no denying that. Dissident is a masterpiece 2159 01:33:02,510 --> 01:33:05,522 and the biggest movie of all time. 2160 01:33:05,546 --> 01:33:07,624 And it changed the film industry forever. 2161 01:33:07,648 --> 01:33:11,085 I know. I think that's my legacy. 2162 01:33:14,055 --> 01:33:15,832 [Thomas] So I guess the question I wanna know, 2163 01:33:15,856 --> 01:33:18,001 and I guess the question everybody wants to know, is, 2164 01:33:18,025 --> 01:33:20,227 did you know this was gonna happen? 2165 01:33:25,366 --> 01:33:28,378 Every great cinematic villain has that moment 2166 01:33:28,402 --> 01:33:29,947 when they reveal their plan. 2167 01:33:29,971 --> 01:33:33,216 They do it because they know, no matter what they say, 2168 01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:34,718 you can't stop it. 2169 01:33:34,742 --> 01:33:37,521 But Demy's plan was to change Hollywood forever. 2170 01:33:37,545 --> 01:33:38,956 And he did that. 2171 01:33:38,980 --> 01:33:42,192 Give someone a mirror and they will see themselves. 2172 01:33:42,216 --> 01:33:45,195 Give them art and you will see their soul. 2173 01:33:45,219 --> 01:33:49,566 And now his masterpiece is complete. 2174 01:33:49,590 --> 01:33:53,260 [Christopher] We burned through $90 million of film. 2175 01:33:53,527 --> 01:33:54,771 [Mervin] If you ruin this movie, 2176 01:33:54,795 --> 01:33:55,973 I'll have you killed. 2177 01:33:55,997 --> 01:33:57,541 [John] What does it take to be an actor? 2178 01:33:57,565 --> 01:33:58,775 [Ava] Do you think I'm gonna die? 2179 01:33:58,799 --> 01:34:00,377 [Anne] I got that murder energy. 2180 01:34:00,401 --> 01:34:03,013 Does yelling make a scene good? 2181 01:34:03,037 --> 01:34:04,615 [Audrey] The only way you're getting out of here 2182 01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:05,816 is in a body bag. 2183 01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:07,184 [Man] There are no second takes in life. 2184 01:34:07,208 --> 01:34:09,620 [Demy] It's unfortunate the way it is all laid out. 2185 01:34:09,644 --> 01:34:11,521 [indistinct] 2186 01:34:11,545 --> 01:34:12,889 I don't want to die. 2187 01:34:12,913 --> 01:34:15,225 [Lawrence] I miss her more than any human being 2188 01:34:15,249 --> 01:34:16,426 that's ever lived. 2189 01:34:16,450 --> 01:34:18,095 [Christopher] They hear that level of passion. 2190 01:34:18,119 --> 01:34:19,830 They hear that level of commitment. 2191 01:34:19,854 --> 01:34:21,765 And they want to be involved in it. 2192 01:34:21,789 --> 01:34:23,266 [Demy] Why do you watch this? 2193 01:34:23,290 --> 01:34:25,535 [Dustin] What I'm here for is for that image. 2194 01:34:25,559 --> 01:34:27,838 [Christopher] Now we're going to have to improvise. 2195 01:34:27,862 --> 01:34:30,007 [Anne] You find out about three women 2196 01:34:30,031 --> 01:34:32,242 starring in this one movie all die. 2197 01:34:32,266 --> 01:34:34,144 [John] You don't get news like that every day. 2198 01:34:34,168 --> 01:34:35,812 [Christopher] Making a film requires 2199 01:34:35,836 --> 01:34:37,347 the greatest sacrifice. 2200 01:34:37,371 --> 01:34:40,017 [Dustin] He might be the best director that we've ever seen. 2201 01:34:40,041 --> 01:34:41,718 [Demy] And it's often reputation. 2202 01:34:41,742 --> 01:34:43,353 That's the intent of all my work. 2203 01:34:43,377 --> 01:34:46,690 [Christopher] I can just do things that I normally... 2204 01:34:46,714 --> 01:34:48,091 Do you know how many actresses 2205 01:34:48,115 --> 01:34:49,993 have died trying to make this film? 2206 01:34:50,017 --> 01:34:52,095 [Thomas] It's the greatest story ever told. 2207 01:34:52,119 --> 01:34:54,665 And Hollywood didn't write it. 2208 01:34:54,689 --> 01:35:02,689 [uplifting music]