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There's nothing pure and nothing more spiritual to me than children.

I think it's the most golden thing we have.

I can be myself and jump into their magical world.

you told me right now that, Michael, you could never see another child, I would

kill myself.

And I swear to you, I would do it.

Because I have nothing else to live for.

See the way I feel about Gavin?

I'll multiply that millions of times over.

And that's why I know this magic of love is so important.

He is such a beautiful child.

I told him, I said, you look just like an angel.

Michael said, Gavin, when you get out of the hospital, you come to Neverland

Ranch and I will heal you.

And then the Martin Brashear documentary caused a worldwide commotion.

And then he finally said, okay, if you love me, you can sleep on the bed.

I was like, oh, man.

And so I finally slept on the bed.

You've got to give the devil his due.

Martin Bashir did an incredible job.

Did that lead to the trial?

You bet.

People just can't stop talking about the interview with Michael Jackson, a

British documentary which aired in the US last night.

The man is 44 years old. What in the hell is he doing sleeping in the bed

kids who are not his, who are not related?

The Martin Bashir documentary drops.

And it's like the pedophile herd around the world.

For Michael Jackson, this was a nuclear bomb.

Why can't you share your bed?

The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone.

You really think that? Yeah.

The media painted Michael to be a child molester, and they replayed that Bashir

clip probably one billion times.

Why are you holding the hand of a 13 -year -old kid?

You know that if it were any of us and we were engaging in that kind of

behavior, the cops would be all over us. They're not going to investigate.

You would be cringing if your client got on national TV and said worse than the

fact that he'd hosted sleepover parties for small boys.

The media certainly felt that Michael was fair game to go after anything and

everything. He hated it.

The press, they wait with knives.

Because I was the pioneer.

And that's why they start the stories.

He's weird, he's gay.

Anything to turn people against me, they try their hardest.

It's a frenzy. My phone doesn't stop ringing with press people. They want to

talk. You know, everybody wants to get a story going.

I even get a phone call from a tabloid offering me an incredible amount of

just to talk dirt.

It's a PR meltdown.

There is tremendous pressure to get it all under control.

Michael, great entertainer, big celebrity status.

But he has a habit of tripping.

So when this Bashir interview was released in the United States, I get a

from my friend Frank.

who's Michael Jackson's ER manager.

He's like, come out to L .A.

and come out working this damage control, which is occurring right now.

Frank was very close to Michael. I asked him, you know, before I leave and I

take this job, has Michael ever harmed a child?

And he says, Vin, you know me.

I am the closest person to him.

And he said, never would happen.

So I trusted Frank, and I made a decision to take the job.

The best thing that we could do to defend Michael Jackson was to film our

documentary to get a really good rebuttal to who Michael was and that

good person.

Michael Jackson Take Two is going to air on Fox February 20th. So then what do

you think about Michael's version of this show that's going to come out?

Positive spin!

I mean, it'll help him. It'll help him, but he said what he said.

For about a week to a week and a half, I was trying to line up all the press

around the documentary.

The participation of the boy in the documentary, Gavin Aviso, is a key

in how it's all going to work.

So the idea is we're going to capture an interview with the Aviso family.

to show that there hadn't been improper contact or conduct between Michael

Jackson and Gavin.

It was essentially to get this interview done before the tabloids get a hold of

this family.

My first task dealing with the Arvizo family was...

to go pick up the mother, Janet Arvizo, and bring her to Michael's videographer.

She was very upset.

She was complaining about the family and all their dreams are shattered now

because of this.

We started pretty late in the evening.

I talked the family through what we're going to be talking about, basically

giving them a rundown that this is a total fluff interview, but we want you

be honest.

The family is supposedly totally on board, but the mom won't start the

because I need signed model releases before we can do the interview.

But she didn't want to sign the model releases.

Why don't you sign a model release?

Money. All right. So is she worried that she's not going to get a piece of this

if we sell this footage?

And then suddenly she's on the phone with lawyers.

At some point, someone tells Janet that it's okay for us to sign the model

releases and to film the interview.

Wait, wait. You know how Bashir... Hey, you know how Bashir zoomed in on him

holding hands?

Do that, the same thing. Because, you know... Because that's what a mother...

Like you know how a father does.

Or a father does with his son, you know? And they try to make it out to be

something wrong and dirty.

So you can have that.

When I first met Michael, all I thought was he was a loving, kind, humble man.

And all he wanted to do was good.

As I'm doing an interview, I really do feel like Gavin is very sincere.

He treats me like he's my father.

He gives young advice.

Michael is exactly an unanswered prayer to my children and me.

Michael is there for us, there for all three of them.

Janet's just over the top.

I dislike her immediately.

Every door closed on us, and Michael said, all my doors are open.

My home is your home and your children.

I am like their father.

And his interactions with my children were all innocent as a father interacts

with their children.

Where she really loses my credibility is just how she suddenly adopted this idea

that Michael is their real father.

Either this mom is completely in love with Michael Jackson or

she's driven by the world of Michael Jackson possibilities.

It disturbed me greatly when I saw them and the innuendos he was making. They

took a beautiful relationship that he has with Gavin and spun it out of

We completed the interview.

But then the director of photography would not give me the footage.

This interview was obviously very important, and he wanted Michael to pay

So, unfortunately, it never went into the box special.

It wasn't a good situation with tabloids hovering around everybody at the time.

I had a strong feeling that I didn't trust Janet.

So I am absolutely worried that this is the type of person who might take money

to say Michael Jackson blessed my kid. Because there's a lot of money in that.

friends and the friends that are family to me are because they have exhibited

honesty, trustworthiness, love.

This video, I've never seen it. I don't know how you guys got all this.

And that is why we are very thankful and appreciate that Michael calls us family

because he exhibits all that and he gives these boys much direction

So what you're seeing in Janet here, she just truly wants this all to be true.

Because this is just a godsend that there would be a male influence in her

children's life who was kind and caring.

She says things very dramatically, but Janet really feels what she's saying.

I know her. That's what she feels.

You know, she had been going through a lot of stuff.

She was getting a divorce.

Gavin's father had been abusive to her and the kids.

So at this point, the idea that somebody this important would value her children

and parent them, that was meaningful to her, like extraordinarily meaningful to

her at the time.

She craved it.

After the Martin Bashir documentary aired, I became concerned. I start

Their numbers are disconnected.

I didn't know where she was.

Clearly, they were at the center of a hurricane.

Anybody that had any kind of show would have wanted to talk to this family.

Michael Jackson's team would have wanted to keep them contained.

Okay, everybody, that two -hour documentary on living with Michael

still making news. Michael Jackson's image has taken a brutal beating over

past few months, as you know.

Among the madness of this year,

I get a phone call, hey, we're going to go to Gary, Indiana and visit Michael's

child at home.

Any kind of distraction.

Give them some new Michael Jackson stuff that was positive.

I would like to officially, on behalf of the men and the women and the young

people of the city of Gary, welcome back home, Mr. Michael Jackson.

I am the biggest fan. Well, probably not the biggest because there's a lot of

them here, but I just love Michael Jackson. Just his persona. He loves

In a good way, he loves children.

He's a role model.

I love him. I originally thought we were going because he wanted to visit.

It's hometown, but as it turns out, it was to capture footage of Michael's

humble beginnings, because that was what the narrative was going to be. It was

going to be the sickly, sweet, you know, here comes the king, you know, like

wah, wah.

The management of Michael's image, that's the number one thing.

When you saw Michael's childhood home, it was pretty rough.

We're talking a small two -room home where 10 or 11 people lived.

Michael grew up in abject poverty, certainly in an age of discrimination.

Opportunities for black men and black families especially were very limited.

But the one thing that really affected him was his relationship with his

Father, he did some rough, cruel... The way he would beat you, he would make you

strip nude first.

So when the foot of the ironing cord hit you, it would just, you know, fall on

your face, your back, everywhere.

He would tell us, don't call me dad, I'm Joseph.

I never felt love from him.

All I want is his love, his approval.

I think the broken relationship between father and son was monumental.

There were really like two Michael Jackson. One needed love and validation.

The other needed attention and celebrity.

I proudly present to you Mr. Michael Jackson.

Everything is already geared up like a machine.

All this love.

It's all orchestrated to get support from the fans, you know, because they

defend him no matter what.

The Gary Community School Corporation welcomes home the king of pop, Michael

Jackson.

The intrigue surrounding Michael Jackson, it continues tonight.

Would you let your son or daughter stay over at Neverland?

No, and I can't understand why these other boys' parents allowed them to

I believe that Child Welfare Services should interview every child that has

at Neverland with Mr. Jackson in his bedroom.

The tabloids are still foaming at the mouth.

And there was a sense that you want to keep Janet Arvizo, who seems like a bit

of a live wire, as far away from tabloids and people with checks as

The Arvizo family is surrounded by Handler.

They're getting carted around by people inside the Jackson team, and there is a

controlled element of making sure they don't talk to people that they shouldn't

be talking to.

I would bring Janet and the kids back and forth between the Neverland Ranch

L .A.

I was told to spend my time with assisting Janet or Visa, whatever needed

done.

I drove her all over the place.

The obesos are okay with it at first, but slowly they start to, you know,

resentful of being controlled.

No, no, no, you don't have to go get your groceries. We'll do it with you.

And then I was told that Vinny was going to help them move.

And I go, why?

Do they want to move?

Well, we need a better location.

We? Who's we?

You know, so this is curious language.

Our visa family, we're getting a lot of pressure from the press.

And there was a need for a place where they can stay, where they can feel safe.

There was also a lot of talk about taking the family on a vacation.

Then he was running around getting passport photos.

And I thought that was probably a really smart idea as well.

And to make sure that this family is off in Mars as far away from the press and

the tabloids as possible.

I'm being asked, wouldn't you like to let go to Brazil?

I'm like, no.

Why is the family being coaxed to go to Brazil?

There is this plan that's going on, but who's the guy behind the curtain in The

Wizard of Oz?

Nothing's going to get done without Michael's approval.

He knows what's going on.

One day, I get a frantic phone call from Janet, who is being kept somewhere and

whispering.

She was panicky.

She wants me to come to where she is and get her and the kids and bring them

back to my house.

She sounded desperate, and I felt her panic for her own children.

She felt they were keeping her family at Neverland.

and that they were going to send them to Brazil and make the family disappear.

And it's not like you can call the police and say, you know, I think

family being held against their will by Michael Jackson.

I don't know if that's a 911 call that's going to be put through.

I had extended to her, you know, call me in 24 hours, and then I would have.

better resources in place, and she never called.

When I became involved with Janet and her family, they were allowed to go

anywhere they wanted, and I would take them wherever they wanted.

One day, she said, please bring my children down to their grandparents'

My mother is sick.

I didn't think anything of it.

After that day, we hadn't heard from them.

They were done with us, and we were finished working with them, and that was

They were going to leave any time, any day.

When I finally heard from Janet, she told me about the danger that she felt

had been visited upon her family.

They had been kept at Neverland for three weeks or so, and when Janet got

kids home, they were not behaving normally.

Janet spoke to a lawyer.

He heard enough and saw these boys and thought,

I don't like the way this is sounding at all.

I told Michael, don't work with kids, work with their parents.

It's their parents who are supposed to be leading them.

You're not the child's messiah.

I always feel that I don't want the parents to get jealous because it

sometimes. And I always say, I'm not trying to take your place.

I'm just trying to help and I want to be a friend.

And the kids end up just falling in love with my personality.

Sometimes it gets me into trouble.

In 2003, I was a senior prosecutor in the district attorney's office.

I was the supervisor of the vulnerable victims unit.

One morning, I got called in by the district attorney. He handed me a two

report, and I'm looking at it, and it seems to be kind of the ordinary

that you see in these investigations, and I don't understand why I'm sitting

there looking at this thing. It's like dozens of other cases I've looked at.

And then I look at the top that has the name. I never went to the name. And the

name was Michael Joe Jackson.

The sheriff's office in Santa Barbara County had started an investigation into

allegations made by Gavin.

You can sit right there, buddy.

Gavin, can you tell us what your conversations, what you guys talked

He says that, I know you're stressed out about all this stuff that's going on,

so I'll have something that will relax you.

He said, drink it. And I said, what's that?

And he said, it's drinking. So I drank it.

I didn't like the taste.

And he asked me, what is it? And he said, it's wine. It'll help you.

Just keep drinking it. I kept on drinking it.

And my head started hurting and stuff.

I fell.

Gavin talking about alcohol use was a grooming situation.

In that interview, he exhibited to me the typical, if you will,

demeanor of somebody that's been abused. You know, the shying away from the

questions, not wanting to talk about anything, keeping himself closed up

the interview.

He said

that

he wanted to show me how to masturbate. He wanted to show you how to masturbate?

Yeah. Okay.

I said no.

Then he said he'd do it for me.

Okay.

And did he do it for you?

Did he put it on the outside?

Inside?

And what did he do next?

Okay.

Did he stop?

Having to publicly talk about sexual abuse is not an easy thing.

But he was courageous.

I had complete faith in everything Gavin was saying.

And there was never a question in my mind as to the honesty or accuracy of

statement. Never.

But I knew we were going after an international superstar.

And that changes the equation.

That was the part that was the unknown for all of us.

Is love and romance two different things?

I'm in love with innocence.

That's what I'm in love with.

And that's why I love children so much.

I can relate to them easier, much easier.

See, just play, just love and innocence, and to find true

happiness and magic, you know?

There are surprising developments at the home of Michael Jackson.

Authorities are serving a secret search warrant at his ranch near Santa Barbara,

California. Although there is no official word as to the nature of the

a number of news outlets are reporting that the search is tied to allegations

from a 12 -year -old boy that he was molested by Jackson.

I was watching CNN and I saw all of these police entering the gates of

Neverland. Investigators have swarmed Jackson's Neverland Ranch.

Target Neverland is underway.

I picked up the phone and I called Michael.

He was in Las Vegas.

And I said, Mr. Jackson, are you okay? And he says, yeah, why?

I said, they're raiding Neverland. He says, what?

I said, turn on CNN. You'll see it there. It's live.

They're raiding Neverland.

Michael was really shocked.

I had never seen anything like it. I mean, the gate of Neverland is a good

from the house. And here's this string of cars. And to me, it's just abuse.

It's harassment.

The media has set up camp out here. We're told as many as 60 investigators

inside at this point, searching the ranch.

It was a very large operation.

I was a newly promoted detective.

I was a big Michael Jackson fan as a teenager.

When Michael Jackson would come out to perform, you can imagine teenage girls

screaming at the top of their lungs.

That's what we were doing.

When I was told about the allegations against Michael Jackson, I was kind of

surprised.

I was assigned to search the main residence.

How you doing?

Sheriff's Department. We have a search warrant.

To me, Michael Jackson was just another celebrity.

When you're dealing with celebrities, you have accusations that are made.

And you have to take those accusations with a grain of salt. You have to do

investigation.

Whose office is this?

That's his office.

This is Michael's?

Okay.

Does he have anything else? Michael Jackson's mansion was like no other

I've ever seen.

There was just so much stuff everywhere.

My

assignment

was going to be going into Michael Jackson's bedroom.

Somebody said now he's moved upstairs rather than down here. Gavin

had disclosed that there would be a

briefcase with pornographic magazines that were used by Michael to provoke

an arousal.

Those items we refer to as grooming materials.

My job was to do the library.

First thing that caught my attention, it was all cluttered.

Boxes of books on the floor.

The books I remember seizing were books of children posing in their underwear.

In and of themselves, they're not child pornography.

They weren't posing together in sexual acts or anything like that.

But based on the investigations I'd done in the past, to me, those were grooming

books.

You know, we'd found books like that in other situations.

We also found a pair of underwear briefs

stuffed in a box.

They were either very small adult or children's briefs.

We had asked the housekeeper, where's the bedroom?

That's when we were told no one was permitted into his bedroom.

And nobody had a key for his bedroom.

We were able to make entry.

And when we walked in, it was a mess.

Paper, clothes, covering the whole floor.

I found some pepperoni sausages that were just... thrown in there.

I remember thinking, oh my gosh, this is filthy.

Drawers weren't closed right.

You know, I'm sure everyone has a junk drawer.

There were a lot of junk drawers, if you would.

Stuff thrown all over.

In the area where the grand piano was, that's where I located a briefcase,

opened it up.

And there were some magazines with pornographic materials in them.

So that was a significant item because it supported what Gavin said.

You know, in that moment, your whole point of the investigation is to seek

truth. When you talk about an innocent child who's been taken advantage of,

that's going to stir anger in anyone.

I think that Gavin was very courageous to be able to come forward and

say what happened.

There were several

items that were taken away as evidence.

caliber of this investigation really hit me of, oh my,

this is Michael Jackson.

There's definitely the feeling even now of the intensity of the investigation.

So it's just all surfacing that emotion again.

I wasn't expecting any emotion, to be honest with you.

Throughout the night, the search continued.

Patrol cars gliding past banks of reporters, camera lights illuminating

perimeter of the 3 ,000 -acre estate.

When we heard about the raid on Neverland, I'm...

in my childhood bedroom watching my black and white TV.

Let's just bring people up to date real quick. The allegations were reportedly

made by a 12 -year -old cancer victim who said that Jackson gave him booze and

pills at Neverland Ranch.

I just, I couldn't believe it was Gavin.

I just was devastated.

Tonight, Jackson is wanted by police.

California authorities announced an arrest warrant today accusing Jackson,

45, of multiple felony counts of child molestation. CBS News has learned that

Michael Jackson will turn himself into authority in Santa Barbara today.

We briefly interrupt your programming.

Pop star Michael Jackson has surrendered to authorities in Santa Barbara,

California. After landing just a few moments ago at the Santa Barbara

he is now en route to the Santa Barbara jail, where he is about to be booked and

processed.

The media circus, it is in full swing.

Reporters, cameras, and helicopters have been chasing the Jackson story around

Southern California.

Michael Jackson under arrest.

It is the shot seen around the world, fingerprinted and photographed. Michael

Jackson like you've never seen him before.

His lawyer says Jackson is innocent and outraged.

I was shocked.

Michael called me from the jail. He says, but can you believe this? I've

nothing wrong.

And they have me all over the news.

Well, I said, you know, you just be you and you do what you need to do.

Don't be afraid to defend yourself.

He's come back specifically to confront these charges head on.

But I'm here to tell you today, and Michael has given me the authority to

his behalf, these charges are categorically untrue.

Thank you very much.

When I asked him point blank, what is this about? Who are these people?

Did you do this?

strong and how the conviction of his

speaking to me.

I knew he was innocent.

I knew it. After he was processed, he snuck out the back door. Through it all,

the fading king of pop still manages to wave and slash the victory sign.

He went right from the jail to the airport, the same plane he flew in on,

flew out on, and now Fox has confirmed he is now back in Las Vegas.

At this point in time, the Arvizo family were in an apartment in West L .A.

They're very isolated over there. The children are not going to school, and so

begin visiting.

Gavin was a different person.

He was very different. He was subdued.

And his way of letting me know that

what he was saying was true

in his 14 -year -old way was to say

he got me drunk. I was drunk.

It seemed like how a 14 -year -old would tell you, this happened

because I wasn't in my right mind, and I don't want you to think any less of me.

It was just devastating.

I did not believe in any way that Michael was even capable of doing

like this.

I love this family, and by extension, love him.

There have been allegations against him and his past with a boy, Jordan

Chandler, but they went away.

This isn't the first time Jackson has been accused of child molestation.

Ten years ago, Jackson had been accused of molesting another child, but the case

was settled out of court.

This time, because the Bashir documentary was fresh in everybody's

what stood out...

was that boy.

Michael was being so affectionate with him.

You had to know that they were going to go all the way with this one, that he's

going to have to face the music in court.

All of this is going on, and I'm still like, okay, we got to give Michael the

benefit of the doubt.

We just want to let Michael Jackson know that he's got friends here in Santa

Barbara. I'll never believe it.

It's just impossible.

MJ would never hurt a child. MJ is the kindest person in the world.

Michael Jackson, after his booking, made an allegation to the press that he had

been physically harmed by somebody in the sheriff's department.

They manhandled me very roughly.

My shoulder is dislocated, literally.

It was a pure fabrication, completely made up.

It's hurting me very badly. I'm in pain all the time. See this arm? This is as

far as I can reach it.

Same with this side over here.

Because of what happened at the police station? Yeah, at the police station.

There was an investigation that was done, and there was no evidence that

had been any kind of harm.

If you saw what they did to my arms, it

was very bad what they did.

I just remember thinking how absurd it was.

And I thought, who in the world would believe it?

But apparently there are. I mean, if you are a believer of Michael Jackson,

you'll believe what he says. It doesn't matter how preposterous it is.

Before I would hurt a child, I would slit my wrists.

I would never hurt a child.

It was totally false.

I was outraged.

I could never do something like that.

Michael's biggest attribute, he could make you feel like so sorry for

him. What time is it?

Because I'm hurting.

I don't feel good.

He had this aura about him.

I know when I've been in his presence, I felt like, oh, boy, you know,

people should leave Michael alone.

This is nothing but a modern -day lynching. This is what they want to see,

in handcuffs. You got it. But it won't be for long, I promise you.

You got a bunch of racist, I'm sorry, racist rednecks out there who don't care

about people. We are a family. My mother is very angry. We're all angry. And

we're going to put our soldiers and our generals together and prepare for war.

That's what this is.

When Jermaine came out and called it the modern day, in the moment, I thought,

that's a stretch.

It was just to get attention. It was just to try and galvanize particularly

black America.

When you mention lynching, it's going to hit here.

And that's exactly what he wanted you to feel.

I don't understand racism.

My mother, she was pulling out of the market. And you've got to scream out to

her, go back to Africa, you nigger. Just like that. It hurt me so much.

I have seen the evilness in man, how vindictive man can be, how cruel.

how abusive, how judgmental, how they have hurt me and done all these things,

and what's made me hold on.

What has saved my life is children.

The latest bombshell in the Michael Jackson case centers around Jackson's

closest business associates and whether or not they were behind a plot to abduct

and silence the accuser and his family.

ABC News has learned that prosecutors are focused on two men, Vinnie Amin and

Frank Tyson, both longtime Jackson associates.

According to sources familiar with the case, Amin and Tyson are being accused

using pressure tactics to try and silence the alleged victim's family.

Kidnapping and hostage is horrible, devastating.

It was wrong.

They went too far with that word.

When it came out, the media said, well, they can just file an arrest warrant

right on the fly in California.

I mean, I was scared.

I was 22 years old.

We included a conspiracy to commit kidnapping because in a conspiracy you

put in a lot of information that paints a very compelling story.

The conspiracy to commit kidnapping was the efforts that Jackson and his crew

were making to remove the family from the state of California and from the

United States.

to take them down to Brazil where they could not be discovered by police, by

enforcement, or by the press.

When someone asked me how I feel, it couldn't get worse. It just kept getting

worse, worse, worse, worse, worse.

Steve Robel from the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department, he wanted to ask

questions. He left voicemails for us.

They were a little threatening.

They basically were like, you know, jump on board or we may file additional

charges.

We were worried that maybe we would get searched.

Frank and I decided that we were going to bring it to the attorney.

Any business items we had that were associated with Michael Jackson.

So Frank handed me a bag.

Ends up, I take it back to my house because there was something suspicious

I didn't like.

And when I opened up the bag, I found this magazine.

It was a naturalist magazine with a video ordering section that had naked

in it, and there was circles around the videos to be ordered.

That was just a devastating blow for me.

That was a psychological hit that I never, you know, now I see how this case

going, and all of a sudden I see that, and I came to a conclusion that

everything has been lied to me.

Now this is the realm of sexual abuse of children.

Now it became very real to me.

And it became very real that Frank knew about what's going on and he's not

coming forward.

I know Frank was

manipulated, but... being associated with Michael Jackson, who was

children.

It's like a wound that opens up, and then when you open that wound, it

you psychologically. So I guess I've done a lot of work on it to heal that

wound, but I think it would always affect me.

I've had years of healing.

But, you know, it still hurts.

If Michael was actually committing sex abuse against children, he used to be

brought to justice.

This is just the start of what's likely to be a very public and dirty war. We're

certainly poised for the trial of the century.

He is fighting these molestation charges.

Michael!

I think Michael Jackson is fighting for his life right now.

Five counts of child molestation, four counts of supplying a minor with

one count of conspiracy for forced imprisonment. If he's guilty on all

charges, then he will face a maximum of 18 years and eight months in prison.

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