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By the end of 1987,
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the idea of pitting
"Friday the 13th's” Jason
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against “A Nightmare
on Elm Street's" Freddy Krueger
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was already quietly circulating
around Hollywood.
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Due to complex legal issues
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involving the two characters,
however,
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it would be another
fifteen years
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before fans would see Freddy
and Jason battle to the death.
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But that didn't stop executive
producer Frank Mancuso, Jr.
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From finding Jason
a formidable foe.
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I got kind of energized by 6
a little bit,
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and I really wanted that
to tell people,
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"Okay, we got your back.
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We got Jason back
so it's going to be okay."
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And 7, I sort of
backed off again.
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I mean, inevitably it had to do
with what else
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I was doing at the time.
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I was about halfway
into the first season
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of "Friday the 13th,”
the television series,
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when I got a call
from Frank Mancuso
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asking me if I'd like
to come down to Los Angeles
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and discuss with him
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the possibility of producing
"Friday the 13th Part 7.”
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And Frank was in discussion
with John Buechler
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to come and direct the film.
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Basically I said, "Why?
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Didn't they just make 6 of them?
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I mean, why would you ever
want to do a “Part 7?”
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And I said this in front of
Frank Mancuso,
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and my agent was in the room
and both their jaws dropped.
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And I think it's because I
didn't want to do it ultimately
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that I got the job
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because I did want to push it
in a slightly new direction.
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John had been
a makeup effects artist.
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He directed “Troll”
and a couple of other movies.
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He'd come out of
the Charlie Band Empire world
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of low-budget horror films.
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So he was kind of
a perfect candidate.
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Because of my particular
effects background,
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I think I was considered
as being
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the helmer of the project
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because I could bring that
to the table.
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Even when it got to “Part 7,”,
I mean,
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they weren't costing any money.
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So there wasn't any real risk.
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Originally titled
“Jason's Destroyer”
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the screenplay
written by Daryl Haney
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would see Jason face off
against a powerful
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though unlikely, new adversary.
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Well, obviously
the main difference
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in this "Friday the 13th"
was that there was a female foe.
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A girl that could just come in
and stand up to Jason.
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The synopsis of this movie
would be Carrie Meets Jason,
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and, you know, this is a girl
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who's got these incredible
telekinetic powers.
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The first thing I remember
about getting the script
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for "Friday the 13th"
was the fake name on it,
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“Birthday Bash,”
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and my husband was a huge
"Friday the 13th" fan.
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And, he goes,
"This is Friday the 13th.
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This is not “Birthday Bash.”
You've got to do this.
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Please do it."
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And he just begged and begged
and begged for me to do it.
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Lar was wonderful,
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and I don't think anyone
had really seen Lar
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in anything before that.
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But she was terrific.
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One of the visual inspirations
for me
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was an old Hammer film called
“Hands of the Ripper”
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where you basically had
a beautiful, little blonde girl
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who was Jack the Ripper's
daughter.
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That kind of iconistic image
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stuck with me and that became
the template for Tina.
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I idenfified
with several things of Tina
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right off the bat.
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She was very vulnerable,
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and she... a lot of people are.
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They might have an exterior,
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but they have a vulnerable
underside.
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So Tina evolved from what was
basically a Carrie clone
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with different baggage,
of course.
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"Part 7" once again
opens at Crystal Lake,
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where a young Tina Shepherd
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first unleashes her powerful
telekinetic abilities.
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My daughter, played by
Jennifer Banko,
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had these special powers,
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and my husband, John Otrin,
would beat me up constantly,
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a horrible alcoholic.
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Please, don't drink anymore!
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Don't tell me what to do! (slap)
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That's all I knew.
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It was an abusive father.
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And my little daughter
was able to cause his demise.
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One day she just,
she's had enough,
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and she accidentally with her
telekinetic powers
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kills her dad.
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She goes, "I hate you, Daddy."
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I hate you!
I wish you were dead!
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You know, I remember
I did that little
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And the next thing I know,
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the pier falls right into
the water, and I die.
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But it was amazing
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because we had to do
multiple shots,
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and the bridge would shake
and it would collapse,
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and then it would
put itself back together,
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and we'd start from one.
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After spending years
in a mental hospital,
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17-year-old Tina
returns to Crystal Lake
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to face her past...
and to exorcise her demons.
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You didn't know
what Tina was capable of,
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and she didn't know
what she was capable of.
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I always had a sense that
what if she got too upset
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and hurt someone that she loved
around her again.
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Because you weren't really sure
what she was thinking,
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and she couldn't control it.
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Sometimes it happens
and sometimes it doesn't happen!
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And you're lying to me!
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Her adversary,
up until the end, is not Jason.
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It is her doctor
who is trying to exploit her.
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Terry Kiser played the doctor.
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Terry did “Weekend at Bernie's”
where he played the corpse.
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He became huge,
never said a word.
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He wants to do
a research document on her.
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He takes her to the one place,
Crystal Lake,
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where her father
was accidently killed by her
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to make her very agitated.
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Instead of taking her anger out
on kids at the prom,
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basically she takes it out
on the lake,
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and she focuses her anger
at the lake,
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and the lake starts to bubble,
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and it jump-starts Jason.
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Ch-ch-ch-!
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Never before
had Jason been played
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by the same actor/stuntman
more than once.
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All that was about to change.
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Enter Kane Hodder.
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I had worked with Kane Hodder
on a couple of other films,
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one was called "Ghost Town,"
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and the other one
was called "Prison,"
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and I thought that this might be
the kind of guy
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that I would want to play Jason
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because he is a coordinator,
he is a stuntman,
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and he could perform
under tons of prosthetics
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and makeup.
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I had been a fan of the movies
for a long time,
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a horror fan in general.
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Loving the character of Jason,
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never having any clue
that I might have a chance
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to do it myself.
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I kind of went into it
without any real plan.
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I wanted to just do
what felt natural.
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You don't get the performance.
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You don't get the visceral
one-on-one confrontation
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if you don't have an actor,
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if you don't have somebody
who can perform
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through a ton of foam latex
without a single word
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and make you know
what he's thinking.
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And obviously Kane Hodder
came through with flying colors.
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Although the film's
exact timeline remains unclear,
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at least 10 years have passed
since the events of "Part 6"
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when a supposedly-dead Jason
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was left to decompose
at the bottom of Crystal Lake.
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Buechler's thoughts were that
he's kind of a rotted corpse,
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and the makeup was
real extensive.
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Every scar, every rip,
every tear
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that Jason ever had
was in the Jason
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that we created for “Part 7.”
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I looked at things in the past,
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and it just kind of seemed like
he was too much of a zombie
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for what I would enjoy myself.
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And so I tried to just put
subtle things in there
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to make it a little more human,
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like the breathing thing,
and the head turn
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where I turn my head first
and then the body follows.
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It just was something
that felt right
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and felt kind of imposing.
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And we all thought
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he should have been Jason
from the beginning.
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He should have been
every single Jason, you know.
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He's the guy that ended up
playing Jason most
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in the "Friday the 13th" movies
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because he did bring something
to the role.
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While Tina is subjected to
Dr. Crews'
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unethical experiments,
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the house next door is overrun
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by another lively group
of teens,
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including the handsome
yet sensitive Nick,
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ugly duckling Maddy,
and the bitchy Melissa.
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Played by the late
Susan Jennifer Sullivan.
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I remember
Susan Jennifer Sullivan.
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A fun little girl, not at all
like her character.
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She was sweet as can be.
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In many ways, she was playing
against type
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because even though she looked,
she had the package
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of that kind of privileged
snobby princess
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There goes the neighborhood.
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She was really humble
and very nice.
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It's a matter of some curiosity
that at this point in time,
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the fan base knows it as
"Fri-Gay the 13th Part 7."
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We were kind of aware
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that a large number
of the male members of the cast
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and nee, indeed some females,
were indeed gay,
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but it never had an effect
on making the show.
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I know possibly one of
the reasons it got the name
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Fri-Gay the 13th,
Kevin, the love-interest
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of Lar Park-Lincoln,
was, I believe he was gay,
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and maybe some people
thought there was no chemistry,
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and you know, she might not have
been terribly attracted to him.
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There was a little bit
of a rumor on the set
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about that they didn't really
get along that well
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which I thought was pretty
tough to have to be able to,
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you know on film, appear like
they're hitting it off,
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and they're having a connection.
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It's a big pink elephant.
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I was a little bit
oblivious to the fact
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that their chemistry
wasn't all that good.
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I kind of remember now
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that Lar would say
a couple of things to me
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that they weren't jiving,
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but they never said
a bad word about each other.
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The film worked just fine,
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all the romances, all the drama.
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I'm not sure sexual orientation
gets involved
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with who Jason wants to kill.
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He's an equal-opportunity
slasher.
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While the Friday the 13th films
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were never greeted
with enthusiasm
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by the Motion Picture
Association of America,
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no one felt their wrath
more harshly
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than director John Buechler.
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I've said it often,
and I'll say it again,
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the ratings board
raped my movie.
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The MPAA was the true horror
of the film.
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They sent us back
many, many times
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to re-cut the film,
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to take out, you know,
pieces of gore.
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The favorite Jason kill
that I've ever done
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is the sleeping bag
just for the creativity of it.
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OK you big hunk of a man,
come and get me!
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Jason picks up the sleeping bag
with the young woman in it.
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She's screaming, and he
bashes her against a tree.
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They shot various versions
of the sleeping bag.
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It had a heavy dummy in it
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and about twenty gallons
of blood,
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which is not light.
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So, of course that was a big
no-no with the ratings board,
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so I would cut it down,
cut it down.
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And finally,
in the final version,
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he picks up the sleeping bag,
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hits the tree once
and throws it down.
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One of the rare cases
where I thought
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maybe the edited version ended
up better than the unedited.
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Every kill in the film,
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they shot footage
that was very, very graphic.
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The kid who got killed
at the lake
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when his girlfriend
was skinny dipping,
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and there was far more detail
to what happened to him.
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Jason, like a golf pro,
swings the axe upward
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and slashes up through
a guy's jaw,
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splitting his face forward
261
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and a spout of blood
goes straight up.
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In the movie, unfortunately,
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you out away
before any connection is made.
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For me it's like telling a joke
without the punch line.
265
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I think Billy Butler's kill
was also kind of great
266
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because you didn't really
see it happening,
267
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but you saw Tina's vision.
268
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William Butler and I
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actually did “Texas Chainsaw”
together as well.
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A lot of our fans, you know,
they bring up
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that him and I did two
horror films together,
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very close,
a couple of years apart.
273
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They seem to think that's
really neat, I do as well.
274
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We were filming
“Friday the 13th: Part 7”
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in February in Alabama.
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We had a guy with a gun
with us all the time
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to shoot alligators.
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He was a rather older man
and he was very slow,
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so I don't think he could have
shot that alligator
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if it came out of the swamp
at me,
281
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so that was strange.
282
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Oh, get real, Maddy.
You're not his type.
283
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You need a little
touch-up work first.
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Thanks!
285
00:12:49,686 --> 00:12:51,188
I remember Diana Barrows.
286
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She played kind of
the ugly duckling
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who gets the makeover.
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Need a little touch-up work,
my ass.
289
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We actually did reshoots
in Topanga
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to make the deaths
kind of longer
291
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and that was the scenes
with Maddy smoking grass
292
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for the first time with David,
293
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and more versions
of my death scene.
294
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[scream]
295
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And my ex-boyfriend
confessed to me years later,
296
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after I broke up with him,
297
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that he would rewind my death
scene a million times and go,
298
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"Get her, Jason!
Get her, get her."
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[scream]
300
00:13:24,596 --> 00:13:26,431
Yeah, right, happy
fucking birthday.
301
00:13:26,723 --> 00:13:29,476
I certainly remember
how Jason killed Ben,
302
00:13:29,768 --> 00:13:30,808
my boyfriend in the movie.
303
00:13:31,019 --> 00:13:32,688
L'll bet it's Michael
304
00:13:32,980 --> 00:13:34,773
I'm thinking Michael
is shaking the van.
305
00:13:35,065 --> 00:13:37,359
It's actually Jason.
I hop out of the van.
306
00:13:37,651 --> 00:13:38,360
For some reason I don't
want to have sex anymore.
307
00:13:38,652 --> 00:13:40,737
I want to find Michael.
308
00:13:41,029 --> 00:13:42,489
I don't think I've ever seen
a killing like that
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where he just takes,
you know, his head,
310
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one hand on top
and one under his chin,
311
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and just smushes it to a pulp.
312
00:13:49,788 --> 00:13:52,541
Actually in the script
my death is described
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as "Ben's head gets squished
like a ripe pimple."
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They had made a dummy head.
315
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They had filled it
with cottage cheese
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and a bunch of gook.
317
00:14:04,052 --> 00:14:05,929
After my head is squished,
318
00:14:06,221 --> 00:14:08,598
Jason picks up the party horn,
and she gets plugged again.
319
00:14:08,890 --> 00:14:11,393
After the horn went in,
320
00:14:11,685 --> 00:14:13,145
which I didn't realize until
I'd actually seen the movie,
321
00:14:13,437 --> 00:14:15,022
there was a little toot noise.
322
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When we were in Alabama,
323
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we filmed a scene where they
made a kind of prosthetic body
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under my nightgown,
325
00:14:23,739 --> 00:14:26,783
and he took a big sword
and chopped me in half,
326
00:14:27,075 --> 00:14:29,453
but the fake body underneath
327
00:14:29,745 --> 00:14:31,830
had shifted,
and it looked really phony so...
328
00:14:32,122 --> 00:14:32,873
but they didn't see that
until we got back to LA.
329
00:14:33,165 --> 00:14:34,416
So that's why we re-shot it.
330
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A new death scene for Robin
331
00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:38,962
was filmed in the same
Topanga Canyon house
332
00:14:39,254 --> 00:14:41,798
which previously served
as the Jarvis residence
333
00:14:42,090 --> 00:14:44,343
in "Friday the 13th:
The Final Chapter.”
334
00:14:44,634 --> 00:14:46,094
So he picked me up by the neck,
335
00:14:46,386 --> 00:14:48,555
and he threw me out the window,
336
00:14:48,847 --> 00:14:50,140
but the funny thing is,
is they hired a stuntman
337
00:14:50,432 --> 00:14:52,642
to be my body double.
338
00:14:52,934 --> 00:14:55,729
So when you see the body
going out the window,
339
00:14:56,021 --> 00:14:57,541
it's this guy with these
big giant legs
340
00:14:57,773 --> 00:15:00,692
and this kind of pretty bad
red wig.
341
00:15:00,984 --> 00:15:02,986
You know, so I remember
people going,
342
00:15:03,278 --> 00:15:04,946
"Your legs are so muscular."
343
00:15:05,238 --> 00:15:07,115
Push comes to shove,
344
00:15:07,407 --> 00:15:10,827
we discover
that not only does Tina
345
00:15:11,119 --> 00:15:13,288
have this psychokinetic ability,
346
00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:17,376
but she can also clairvoyantly
see things before they happen,
347
00:15:17,667 --> 00:15:19,836
but not exactly as they happen.
348
00:15:20,128 --> 00:15:23,006
She gets an image that is
kind of a surreal version of it.
349
00:15:23,298 --> 00:15:25,008
Once in a while
if one of the characters
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was particularly bad,
351
00:15:26,927 --> 00:15:30,222
then I might want to come up
352
00:15:30,514 --> 00:15:31,473
with a little bit more
violent way of killing 'em,
353
00:15:31,765 --> 00:15:34,559
like Dr. Crews.
354
00:15:34,851 --> 00:15:36,728
Terry's character,
he was not a good doctor.
355
00:15:37,020 --> 00:15:38,730
You have deliberately
turned my daughter
356
00:15:39,022 --> 00:15:40,232
into an emotional wreck.
357
00:15:40,524 --> 00:15:42,275
That's not true.
358
00:15:42,567 --> 00:15:45,946
In fact, in my death scene,
when we're out in the woods,
359
00:15:46,238 --> 00:15:49,366
and I'm running and the whole
thing, he sees Jason coming.
360
00:15:49,658 --> 00:15:52,244
And he literally puts my body
in front of his
361
00:15:52,536 --> 00:15:56,415
so that he's safe for a second.
362
00:15:56,706 --> 00:15:58,625
That's the kind of guy he was.
363
00:15:58,917 --> 00:16:01,586
That guy's gotta die in a
creative, violent way,
364
00:16:01,878 --> 00:16:04,089
more so than some of
the other people.
365
00:16:04,381 --> 00:16:07,092
The psychiatrist's death
was another one
366
00:16:07,384 --> 00:16:10,429
that was just gutted
by the MPAA.
367
00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,806
I was surprised when I went
to see the movie,
368
00:16:13,098 --> 00:16:20,439
so much of the gore
had been cut out.
369
00:16:20,730 --> 00:16:22,691
That was a real tool.
370
00:16:22,983 --> 00:16:24,693
I've never seen it since then.
371
00:16:24,985 --> 00:16:26,319
I hadn't seen it before,
372
00:16:26,611 --> 00:16:28,363
but it was like a weed whacker
with a circular saw blade on it.
373
00:16:28,655 --> 00:16:30,907
Great weapon.
374
00:16:31,199 --> 00:16:33,119
Didn't see much of it
in the movie unfortunately.
375
00:16:33,285 --> 00:16:35,620
They shot all sorts of angles,
376
00:16:35,912 --> 00:16:40,750
cutting into a prosthetic body
and blood and guts and... gone.
377
00:16:41,042 --> 00:16:46,798
[screams and buzzing]
378
00:16:47,090 --> 00:16:48,925
Everybody loved watching
Melissa get the axe in the head.
379
00:16:49,217 --> 00:16:50,737
She was just
such a horrible character.
380
00:16:50,844 --> 00:16:52,345
She was such
the quintessential bitch.
381
00:16:52,637 --> 00:16:54,598
Melissa was a bitch.
382
00:16:54,890 --> 00:16:56,725
You were already
waiting for her to get it.
383
00:16:57,017 --> 00:17:00,103
Tina and myself and Melissa
384
00:17:00,395 --> 00:17:04,065
are in the cabin
kind of waiting things out.
385
00:17:04,357 --> 00:17:05,484
Don't go out there.
386
00:17:05,775 --> 00:17:07,068
She says, "Fuck you. No..."
387
00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:08,862
Fuck you both!
388
00:17:09,154 --> 00:17:11,948
Turns to leave
and guess who's at the door?
389
00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:13,600
Jason's sitting there
with the axe,
390
00:17:13,825 --> 00:17:14,701
and he splits it
right in her head.
391
00:17:14,993 --> 00:17:17,454
Whack!
392
00:17:17,746 --> 00:17:21,708
We did a reverse pull-away gag
on her with a hatchet,
393
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,877
which didn't end up
in the movie at all.
394
00:17:24,169 --> 00:17:28,340
I remember we watched
this stuntgirl...
395
00:17:28,632 --> 00:17:30,467
fly across the room
with this axe in her...
396
00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:32,427
It was extraordinary.
397
00:17:32,719 --> 00:17:34,888
That was a fun day, actually,
watching that scene.
398
00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:36,556
We were in a very small space
when that was shot.
399
00:17:36,848 --> 00:17:38,568
And, of course, Kane takes up
half the room.
400
00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,352
We acted scared and ran upstairs
401
00:17:40,644 --> 00:17:42,020
because that's what you do.
402
00:17:42,312 --> 00:17:43,872
You don't run outside,
you run upstairs.
403
00:17:44,022 --> 00:17:45,649
I thought
from the very beginning
404
00:17:45,941 --> 00:17:48,443
it should be
more of a stunt movie
405
00:17:48,735 --> 00:17:52,155
than it would be
a makeup effects movie.
406
00:17:52,447 --> 00:17:53,807
And we have that great
street scene
407
00:17:54,032 --> 00:17:54,866
where she goes right up to him.
408
00:17:55,158 --> 00:17:57,953
Jason?
409
00:17:58,245 --> 00:18:00,080
I loved the twigs
coming around his legs
410
00:18:00,372 --> 00:18:03,208
and taking him down that way.
411
00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:06,127
I had to really take a lot
more abuse than I was expecting,
412
00:18:06,419 --> 00:18:09,130
but I was glad to do it
413
00:18:09,422 --> 00:18:10,465
because I think it made
the movie look much better.
414
00:18:10,757 --> 00:18:12,968
The battle continued.
415
00:18:13,260 --> 00:18:14,928
It just continued and continued,
and we shot it forever.
416
00:18:15,220 --> 00:18:17,806
For me it was difficult
417
00:18:18,098 --> 00:18:20,934
because my character was in
a constant state of upset.
418
00:18:21,226 --> 00:18:25,188
I would have to constantly
keep myself very tense
419
00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,274
to keep the tears rolling
and flowing,
420
00:18:27,566 --> 00:18:35,532
and the anger, and the disbelief
and the craziness.
421
00:18:35,824 --> 00:18:38,326
Going into it we relied heavily
on other mechanical effects
422
00:18:38,618 --> 00:18:41,913
like the roof falling on Jason.
423
00:18:42,205 --> 00:18:44,749
As soon as that thing hit me,
man, there was no acting.
424
00:18:45,041 --> 00:18:48,461
It hit me so hard
and with such force
425
00:18:48,753 --> 00:18:50,422
that it just drilled me
into the stairs.
426
00:18:50,714 --> 00:18:52,716
We had special effects
in that movie
427
00:18:53,008 --> 00:18:54,634
that were actually kind of
in competition
428
00:18:54,926 --> 00:18:56,553
With the killing.
429
00:18:56,845 --> 00:18:59,222
And we had TVs flying
across the room
430
00:18:59,514 --> 00:19:03,977
and explosions
and the pearl necklace breaking,
431
00:19:04,269 --> 00:19:08,481
and all this great magical stuff
that didn't typically happen
432
00:19:08,773 --> 00:19:10,483
in a “Friday” film.
433
00:19:10,775 --> 00:19:12,777
And we really wanted
that over-the-top aspect
434
00:19:13,069 --> 00:19:14,669
with the makeup effects,
with the stunts,
435
00:19:14,904 --> 00:19:16,781
with the physical effects,
everything.
436
00:19:17,073 --> 00:19:18,366
Every time I turned around,
437
00:19:18,658 --> 00:19:20,058
she was doing something else
to him.
438
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,037
I loved the nails,
and the gas in the basement.
439
00:19:22,329 --> 00:19:24,956
I loved that scene.
That was really fun.
440
00:19:25,248 --> 00:19:28,251
And he's like fed up with all
the stuff she's doing to him.
441
00:19:28,543 --> 00:19:33,673
And I can vividly remember
Buechler saying,
442
00:19:33,965 --> 00:19:36,926
"Go like this,
really move your face around."
443
00:19:37,218 --> 00:19:43,892
He was talking
through the whole thing.
444
00:19:44,184 --> 00:19:47,729
I was always amazed
and just in awe of him
445
00:19:48,021 --> 00:19:49,856
because as a stuntman
he had an accident
446
00:19:50,148 --> 00:19:52,025
and was burned in a stunt
447
00:19:52,317 --> 00:19:55,820
and has scars
on his chest and his neck.
448
00:19:56,112 --> 00:19:58,573
It really was a case, you know,
conquering your fear
449
00:19:58,865 --> 00:20:00,265
and just moving on saying,
you know,
450
00:20:00,492 --> 00:20:02,160
this is not going to stop me.
451
00:20:02,452 --> 00:20:03,745
They truly blew up
an entire house in that movie.
452
00:20:04,037 --> 00:20:06,164
It was wild.
453
00:20:06,456 --> 00:20:08,375
You know, putting pryro in
in special places
454
00:20:08,667 --> 00:20:10,835
so it would go boom, boom,
boom, boom.
455
00:20:11,127 --> 00:20:13,922
And the grips,
everybody smoking cigarettes,
456
00:20:14,214 --> 00:20:18,843
and up in the eaves
inside the house
457
00:20:19,135 --> 00:20:21,221
are these little ropes
hanging everywhere.
458
00:20:21,513 --> 00:20:23,973
And I went, "What are those?
459
00:20:24,265 --> 00:20:26,059
And they went, "Oh, we're
going to blow up the house."
460
00:20:26,351 --> 00:20:29,688
And I went, "You mean
it's all set to blow up,
461
00:20:29,979 --> 00:20:32,565
and everybody's smoking!?"
462
00:20:32,857 --> 00:20:34,417
Eventually the word came down
that, yes,
463
00:20:34,693 --> 00:20:36,528
we were ready to go.
464
00:20:36,820 --> 00:20:37,737
The countdown started happening.
We tensed up.
465
00:20:38,029 --> 00:20:40,365
This was going to be great.
466
00:20:40,657 --> 00:20:43,243
And as the button got pushed,
467
00:20:43,535 --> 00:20:48,456
the whole building went up
within a split second.
468
00:20:48,748 --> 00:20:51,543
I was there when they filmed
the cabin exploding,
469
00:20:51,835 --> 00:20:54,421
and I don't know,
470
00:20:54,713 --> 00:20:56,172
something must have gone wrong
with something
471
00:20:56,464 --> 00:20:57,924
because you could actually
literally feel the heat.
472
00:20:58,216 --> 00:21:00,260
There was not a piece of wood
473
00:21:00,552 --> 00:21:02,387
larger than a matchstick
available
474
00:21:02,679 --> 00:21:04,305
to be seen the following day.
475
00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:07,058
It was Apocalypse Now.
It was just too big.
476
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:09,102
Lenses were smashed
on the lmo's.
477
00:21:09,394 --> 00:21:11,354
You know, filters were melted.
478
00:21:11,646 --> 00:21:13,940
And eventually, I think
the longest piece of film
479
00:21:14,232 --> 00:21:17,485
of the explosion was about
20 frames, less than a second.
480
00:21:17,777 --> 00:21:19,821
And eventually we created
at least something
481
00:21:20,113 --> 00:21:21,906
that you could say,
482
00:21:22,198 --> 00:21:23,558
"Okay, there's
an explosion there."
483
00:21:23,616 --> 00:21:25,201
But on the day,
we were heartbroken.
484
00:21:25,493 --> 00:21:27,120
From the earliest days
of production,
485
00:21:27,412 --> 00:21:29,789
John Buechler
found himself at odds
486
00:21:30,081 --> 00:21:33,293
with a key member of Frank
Mancuso, Jr.'s executive team.
487
00:21:33,585 --> 00:21:35,345
When you're working
as a director on a movie,
488
00:21:35,503 --> 00:21:37,380
you have a vision.
489
00:21:37,672 --> 00:21:40,383
The producer's
interested in the money,
490
00:21:40,675 --> 00:21:43,011
and the director
is interested in the product.
491
00:21:43,303 --> 00:21:47,140
In this particular case...
492
00:21:47,432 --> 00:21:50,560
I kind of went head-to-head
with my associate producer.
493
00:21:50,852 --> 00:21:53,146
Barbara Sachs
worked for Frank Mancuso
494
00:21:53,438 --> 00:21:54,998
across a broad range
of his development.
495
00:21:55,231 --> 00:21:57,150
She was responsible
for developing
496
00:21:57,442 --> 00:21:59,944
“He Said, She Said,”
“Permanent Record
497
00:22:00,236 --> 00:22:02,614
so she was a very big part
of Frank Mancuso's company.
498
00:22:02,906 --> 00:22:04,991
There was occasional tension
between her and John
499
00:22:05,283 --> 00:22:07,202
because she was probably
giving her input,
500
00:22:07,494 --> 00:22:09,894
and John had his own vision,
and John knew what he was doing.
501
00:22:10,121 --> 00:22:13,875
This was not a new genre
for him.
502
00:22:14,167 --> 00:22:17,003
The "Friday the 13th"
series of films
503
00:22:17,295 --> 00:22:19,380
was a little bit
outside her wheelhouse.
504
00:22:19,672 --> 00:22:21,800
This was not in her sort of
505
00:22:22,091 --> 00:22:24,135
intellectual
and emotional direction.
506
00:22:24,427 --> 00:22:26,596
She didn't like horror.
507
00:22:26,888 --> 00:22:29,182
If you're going to be an
associate producer on a film,
508
00:22:29,474 --> 00:22:31,476
or even a producer,
you gotta love it.
509
00:22:31,768 --> 00:22:33,248
One of the things
I really lobbied for
510
00:22:33,436 --> 00:22:37,482
was to show Jason mask off
511
00:22:37,774 --> 00:22:40,860
for the better part
of the last reel of the movie.
512
00:22:41,152 --> 00:22:43,947
She hated the look of Jason.
513
00:22:44,239 --> 00:22:46,491
She said, "He looks like a frog.
He's so unbelievable."
514
00:22:46,783 --> 00:22:48,910
She vetoed the idea
for me to do it at all.
515
00:22:49,202 --> 00:22:52,163
And I was busy working,
516
00:22:52,455 --> 00:22:54,791
and I couldn't really
go over her head
517
00:22:55,083 --> 00:22:56,443
and talk to Frank
and get approval.
518
00:22:56,501 --> 00:22:58,920
So I did it anyway.
519
00:22:59,212 --> 00:23:01,923
And ultimately Frank Mancuso
loved popping Jason's mask off
520
00:23:02,215 --> 00:23:04,384
the way I did it.
521
00:23:04,676 --> 00:23:08,179
She always just seemed to be
somebody in the way.
522
00:23:08,471 --> 00:23:12,183
There was, I believe, a conflict
about the very ending,
523
00:23:12,475 --> 00:23:13,977
about how the father would look.
524
00:23:14,269 --> 00:23:17,856
The ghost of Tina's father
was to be realized
525
00:23:18,147 --> 00:23:21,317
as a fully animatronic thing.
526
00:23:21,609 --> 00:23:25,154
I'm decaying after 7 to 10 years
of being in that water.
527
00:23:25,446 --> 00:23:28,575
I look as ugly as Jason looks.
528
00:23:28,867 --> 00:23:33,705
And we did this makeup on John,
and we did the animatronic,
529
00:23:33,997 --> 00:23:36,457
and, of course,
Barbara vetoed that
530
00:23:36,749 --> 00:23:38,751
because I'd gone
against her will.
531
00:23:39,043 --> 00:23:40,712
We actually put the makeup on,
532
00:23:41,004 --> 00:23:43,131
and we started
shooting some of it.
533
00:23:43,423 --> 00:23:46,467
Actually I came out at the end
with that outfit on
534
00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:50,388
and brought Jason down,
and it was never used.
535
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,682
And so what you see
at the end of the film
536
00:23:52,974 --> 00:23:54,809
is John Otrin coming up
with a dirty face
537
00:23:55,101 --> 00:23:57,228
and pulling Jason down.
538
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,856
I think when people
view the film they say,
539
00:24:00,148 --> 00:24:02,108
"That's kind of lame."
540
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,362
I felt bad really for John
because he had done
541
00:24:06,654 --> 00:24:08,656
so many really great things
in that movie,
542
00:24:08,948 --> 00:24:11,492
and it was never...
It was never seen
543
00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:14,913
and some of those scenes
were lost and deleted.
544
00:24:15,204 --> 00:24:17,644
For years, fans have demanded
a home video release of the film
545
00:24:17,874 --> 00:24:19,292
in its fully-restored form.
546
00:24:19,584 --> 00:24:23,004
Unfortunately,
a truly uncut version
547
00:24:23,296 --> 00:24:25,924
of "Friday the 13th Part 7”
will never be seen.
548
00:24:26,215 --> 00:24:28,551
It would be terrific to
be able to go back
549
00:24:28,843 --> 00:24:30,970
to "Friday the 13th Part 7”
550
00:24:31,262 --> 00:24:33,056
and put it back together
in a form
551
00:24:33,348 --> 00:24:36,017
that had more, sort of,
creative coherence.
552
00:24:36,309 --> 00:24:40,313
Unfortunately that footage
has been discarded.
553
00:24:40,605 --> 00:24:43,232
Paramount destroyed
all the outtakes of the film
554
00:24:43,524 --> 00:24:47,028
which it's...
it's pretty unfortunate.
555
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,572
Without the elements,
without the outtakes,
556
00:24:49,864 --> 00:24:52,909
there's really no hope of ever
making a director's cut
557
00:24:53,201 --> 00:24:55,995
or alternate version
of those scenes
558
00:24:56,287 --> 00:24:57,997
because the footage
just doesn't exist.
559
00:24:58,289 --> 00:25:02,126
Like so much of, you know,
great American cinema,
560
00:25:02,418 --> 00:25:04,087
it's now lost to the world.
561
00:25:04,379 --> 00:25:05,296
Not that I'm saying
"Friday the 13th Part 7”
562
00:25:05,588 --> 00:25:06,923
was great American cinema,
563
00:25:07,215 --> 00:25:09,509
but great American cinema
of a certain kind.
564
00:25:09,801 --> 00:25:12,303
Though it wasn't per se
a studio film,
565
00:25:12,595 --> 00:25:15,348
it did have many of the
trappings of a studio film.
566
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,433
And it made me ultimately
very dissatisfied
567
00:25:17,725 --> 00:25:20,561
with too many cooks.
568
00:25:20,853 --> 00:25:23,314
Sometimes directors
can get kind of snippy.
569
00:25:23,606 --> 00:25:25,806
John never did that, and he had
a lot of external forces
570
00:25:25,984 --> 00:25:28,361
that could have certainly
made him go crazy.
571
00:25:28,653 --> 00:25:30,493
We were fighting all kinds of
different battles
572
00:25:30,780 --> 00:25:32,657
within producing the film.
573
00:25:32,949 --> 00:25:35,618
And um, he was always
very kind to me,
574
00:25:35,910 --> 00:25:37,495
and I'd go home at night
and say,
575
00:25:37,787 --> 00:25:38,621
I'm gonna look like an idiot
in this franchise,
576
00:25:38,913 --> 00:25:41,749
and my career is going
to be over.
577
00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:44,585
But I trusted him, I believed in
him and it worked.
578
00:25:44,877 --> 00:25:48,673
Jason... ls Back.
579
00:25:48,965 --> 00:25:52,552
But this time,
someone is waiting.
580
00:25:52,844 --> 00:25:56,681
"Friday the 13th: Part VII
The New Blood"
581
00:25:56,973 --> 00:25:58,683
Little more than six months
after the start
582
00:25:58,975 --> 00:26:00,601
of pre-production,
583
00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:01,936
"Friday the 13th Part 7:
The New Blood”
584
00:26:02,228 --> 00:26:05,898
debuted on May 13, 1988.
585
00:26:06,190 --> 00:26:09,318
While its final take
of $19.2 million
586
00:26:09,610 --> 00:26:11,654
was respectable,
it paled in comparison
587
00:26:11,946 --> 00:26:13,906
to the late-summer release
588
00:26:14,198 --> 00:26:16,367
of "A Nightmare on Elm Street 4:
The Dream Master,”
589
00:26:16,659 --> 00:26:21,039
which took in a then record
setting $49.1 million.
590
00:26:21,330 --> 00:26:23,374
Although Jason may have been
temporarily unseated
591
00:26:23,666 --> 00:26:25,126
by the competition,
592
00:26:25,418 --> 00:26:28,671
he was still a long way
from being dead.
593
00:26:28,963 --> 00:26:32,175
It opened at the Chinese
Graumann Theater in Hollywood.
594
00:26:32,467 --> 00:26:34,385
How awesome is that?
595
00:26:34,677 --> 00:26:37,597
So here we are,
we're in the movie theater,
596
00:26:37,889 --> 00:26:40,369
the 8 o'clock show or something,
and we're counting the deaths.
597
00:26:40,433 --> 00:26:42,018
This is a sold-out crowd.
598
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:43,811
Every time
Jason killed somebody,
599
00:26:44,103 --> 00:26:45,303
the whole audience would go...
600
00:26:45,354 --> 00:26:46,355
1!
601
00:26:46,647 --> 00:26:47,857
2!
602
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:50,401
3!
603
00:26:50,693 --> 00:26:52,613
Every time somebody got killed,
they'd count 'em.
604
00:26:52,695 --> 00:26:54,781
It's just amazing,
the movie magic,
605
00:26:55,073 --> 00:26:57,992
and the way things
really come to life.
606
00:26:58,284 --> 00:27:01,496
I was scared, I screamed,
I jumped, I moved, you know,
607
00:27:01,788 --> 00:27:04,373
I was hiding,
and I knew what was coming,
608
00:27:04,665 --> 00:27:06,584
I'd read the script, I'd seen
a lot of the scenes being done,
609
00:27:06,876 --> 00:27:08,503
but when they actually
put it together, you know,
610
00:27:08,795 --> 00:27:10,505
it's real!
611
00:27:10,797 --> 00:27:13,091
I was very happy to see
in the "Hollywood Reporter"
612
00:27:13,382 --> 00:27:15,593
that "Friday the 13th Part 7”
613
00:27:15,885 --> 00:27:19,013
was the highest grossing movie
at the box office in May 1988
614
00:27:19,305 --> 00:27:20,848
when it was released.
615
00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:23,851
That says something
about the enduring legacy
616
00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:26,062
of "Friday the 13th
617
00:27:26,354 --> 00:27:27,855
Although Tina
would not be seen again,
618
00:27:28,147 --> 00:27:30,399
fans have long envisioned
a sequel
619
00:27:30,691 --> 00:27:33,194
that would bring together
the surviving characters
620
00:27:33,486 --> 00:27:36,739
of "Friday the 13th" for the
ultimate showdown with Jason.
621
00:27:37,031 --> 00:27:39,450
Well, I'm waiting for "Friday
the 13th Part 13”
622
00:27:39,742 --> 00:27:41,911
to come out
and it would be terrific
623
00:27:42,203 --> 00:27:44,622
if the surviving girls
get together
624
00:27:44,914 --> 00:27:46,499
and that would be a script.
625
00:27:46,791 --> 00:27:49,168
Hell, yeah.
I would definitely do it.
626
00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:51,020
It sounds like it would be
a great time.
627
00:27:51,129 --> 00:27:53,798
Charlie's Angels vs. Jason,
Jason's Devils basically.
628
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:56,425
We'd get all buff,
We'd get all strong
629
00:27:56,717 --> 00:27:58,427
and then maybe I could
run as fast and jump as high
630
00:27:58,719 --> 00:28:00,638
as I did before.
631
00:28:00,930 --> 00:28:02,610
He's always only fought someone
one-on-one.
632
00:28:02,807 --> 00:28:05,184
He's never had a group
fighting him at the same time.
633
00:28:05,476 --> 00:28:07,562
I would, I mean I haven't
forgotten how to do it,
634
00:28:07,854 --> 00:28:10,565
it's like a bike, I don't think
I could ever forget.
635
00:28:10,857 --> 00:28:12,984
We'd just have probably
really great lives
636
00:28:13,276 --> 00:28:14,777
with this terrible memory.
637
00:28:15,069 --> 00:28:16,529
I would probably do another film
638
00:28:16,821 --> 00:28:19,073
that would reprise that role,
you know,
639
00:28:19,365 --> 00:28:20,199
the years later, as long as it
was done in, you know,
640
00:28:20,491 --> 00:28:22,160
a good light.
641
00:28:22,451 --> 00:28:23,931
I think what Tina
would be doing today
642
00:28:24,078 --> 00:28:27,373
is trying to help others
643
00:28:27,665 --> 00:28:30,126
but still dealing with her own
demons and being pulled back,
644
00:28:30,418 --> 00:28:32,920
I think she would be pulled back
to the lake again.
645
00:28:33,212 --> 00:28:36,507
Tina being fully realized
as who she is
646
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:38,634
made the movie work,
647
00:28:38,926 --> 00:28:40,928
and the fact that we could
pay it off
648
00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:43,347
with the special effects
and so forth
649
00:28:43,639 --> 00:28:48,639
really contributed
to the success of the movie.
650
00:29:03,910 --> 00:29:06,370
Even if Jason's machete blade
651
00:29:06,662 --> 00:29:07,872
had dulled slightly
at the box office,
652
00:29:08,164 --> 00:29:10,625
all seven films in the series
653
00:29:10,917 --> 00:29:12,877
remained highly-profitable
ventures for Paramount.
654
00:29:13,169 --> 00:29:15,504
But with its fan base growing up
655
00:29:15,796 --> 00:29:17,590
and dream demon Freddy Krueger
656
00:29:17,882 --> 00:29:20,426
now taking on
pop-icon status,
657
00:29:20,718 --> 00:29:23,512
it was time for Jason to venture
out of the woods...
658
00:29:23,804 --> 00:29:26,933
and step into
a much larger world.
659
00:29:27,225 --> 00:29:29,018
There were seven before,
obviously,
660
00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:31,437
and they all took place
in Crystal Lake, right?
661
00:29:31,729 --> 00:29:33,397
And so the first question
I asked them,
662
00:29:33,689 --> 00:29:35,942
was, "Does it have to be
in Crystal Lake?
663
00:29:36,234 --> 00:29:38,611
Can I take Jason
out of Crystal Lake?"
664
00:29:38,903 --> 00:29:40,279
Rob Hedden is an infectious
personality, first of all,
665
00:29:40,571 --> 00:29:41,822
so he's a very upbeat guy.
666
00:29:42,114 --> 00:29:44,784
He has tons and tons of energy.
667
00:29:45,076 --> 00:29:47,536
Frank Mancuso Jr.
Who was producing it,
668
00:29:47,828 --> 00:29:49,413
I mean he was the one,
he just said,
669
00:29:49,705 --> 00:29:51,249
"Well, if it's a big city,
it's got to be New York."
670
00:29:51,540 --> 00:29:52,792
I said, "That works for me.
That's a great idea."
671
00:29:53,084 --> 00:29:55,419
So that's how the whole
672
00:29:55,711 --> 00:29:56,879
"Jason Takes Manhattan"
thing came about.
673
00:29:57,171 --> 00:29:58,891
But there was fun that
we hadn't seen before
674
00:29:58,965 --> 00:30:00,758
about the notion
of a Jason in a big city.
675
00:30:01,050 --> 00:30:03,052
The notion of what would happen
676
00:30:03,344 --> 00:30:05,721
if Jason got into the subway,
you know all those things.
677
00:30:06,013 --> 00:30:07,974
My first draft of the script
had a big chase scene
678
00:30:08,266 --> 00:30:10,518
across the Brooklyn Bridge.
679
00:30:10,810 --> 00:30:12,645
There was a lot more stuff that
we just couldn't afford to do.
680
00:30:12,937 --> 00:30:15,898
He certainly had ambitions
681
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:19,193
that we didn't have the budget
to allow for.
682
00:30:19,485 --> 00:30:21,612
Production reality set in
and it was like, okay,
683
00:30:21,904 --> 00:30:25,658
instead of, you know,
75% of the movie
684
00:30:25,950 --> 00:30:28,577
taking place in New York,
we'll do 50%.
685
00:30:28,869 --> 00:30:30,496
And then it was, well,
we can't really do 50 either.
686
00:30:30,788 --> 00:30:32,206
So then the concept, well,
687
00:30:32,498 --> 00:30:34,018
let's do some mayhem
on the cruise ship
688
00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:35,626
while they're getting
to New York,
689
00:30:35,918 --> 00:30:37,003
and we'll make, you know, maybe
the last third of the movie
690
00:30:37,295 --> 00:30:39,171
will take place in New York.
691
00:30:39,463 --> 00:30:41,299
Among the sea of new faces,
692
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:43,550
at least one familiar passenger
was back on board.
693
00:30:43,801 --> 00:30:47,054
Kane Hodder's enthusiastic
and always menacing
694
00:30:47,346 --> 00:30:49,307
portrayal of Jason Voorhees
695
00:30:49,598 --> 00:30:52,101
ensured that the graduating
class of Crystal Lake High
696
00:30:52,393 --> 00:30:54,895
would be in for the voyage
of their lives.
697
00:30:55,187 --> 00:30:58,274
So for me it was like I looked
at 7. How did he die in 7?
698
00:30:58,566 --> 00:31:00,234
Okay, that's where we're going
to find him. He's underwater.
699
00:31:00,526 --> 00:31:02,206
He's going to get shocked
with electricity.
700
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,030
In the film's opening sequence,
701
00:31:04,322 --> 00:31:07,033
an amorous couple
anchored at Crystal Lake
702
00:31:07,325 --> 00:31:10,202
inadvertently awakens Jason
from his watery grave.
703
00:31:10,494 --> 00:31:12,496
Perhaps in retrospect
704
00:31:12,788 --> 00:31:14,508
we probably shouldn't have
anchored our boat
705
00:31:14,749 --> 00:31:17,543
in Camp Crystal Lake
706
00:31:17,835 --> 00:31:20,463
where there was a corpse of
a murderer down under the water
707
00:31:20,755 --> 00:31:22,673
waiting to be reanimated.
708
00:31:22,965 --> 00:31:25,634
He really doesn't even need
the electricity.
709
00:31:25,926 --> 00:31:27,846
He could come back just because
he feels like it.
710
00:31:27,970 --> 00:31:30,681
Having Kane Hodder on board
was really helpful
711
00:31:30,973 --> 00:31:35,019
because he had done PART 7,
and he knew what had been done.
712
00:31:35,311 --> 00:31:38,022
And also Marty Becker
was our special effects guy.
713
00:31:38,314 --> 00:31:41,150
And between them
and our makeup people,
714
00:31:41,442 --> 00:31:43,242
we decided let's tweak Jason
a little bit too.
715
00:31:43,486 --> 00:31:45,571
People ask me,
716
00:31:45,863 --> 00:31:49,158
"Why does the makeup change
so much from movie to movie?
717
00:31:49,450 --> 00:31:50,701
And the hockey mask changes
and everything else."
718
00:31:50,993 --> 00:31:53,037
You know, basically it's because
719
00:31:53,329 --> 00:31:55,790
it's a different makeup effects
person who designs it,
720
00:31:56,082 --> 00:31:59,710
and they don't necessarily
stay true
721
00:32:00,002 --> 00:32:01,212
to the previous movie.
722
00:32:01,504 --> 00:32:02,963
Plus he starts out underwater
723
00:32:03,255 --> 00:32:05,299
at the very beginning
of the movie,
724
00:32:05,591 --> 00:32:07,009
and so he's pretty much
just gooey the whole movie.
725
00:32:07,301 --> 00:32:10,012
They put slime on me
every single shot
726
00:32:10,304 --> 00:32:11,639
so I was wet the entire movie.
727
00:32:11,931 --> 00:32:14,308
Goo. Goo is great.
728
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,645
The moment where I get
almost shot by the spear gun
729
00:32:17,937 --> 00:32:19,146
was the scariest moment
of the whole shoot for me,
730
00:32:19,438 --> 00:32:20,940
out of the whole week,
731
00:32:21,232 --> 00:32:24,318
because they did have to aim
the actual spear gun
732
00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:26,362
really close to my head.
733
00:32:26,654 --> 00:32:29,740
And they were like,
"Don't move and get it right
734
00:32:30,032 --> 00:32:31,700
because we're going to damage
the wall behind you."
735
00:32:31,992 --> 00:32:33,672
I didn't think there was really
any danger,
736
00:32:33,786 --> 00:32:36,067
but it was definitely scary
because it did whiz by my ear,
737
00:32:36,330 --> 00:32:39,625
and it was very loud
when it shot into the wall.
738
00:32:39,917 --> 00:32:43,337
It also probably wasn't really
smart to hide on the boat
739
00:32:43,629 --> 00:32:44,713
where the murderer
is coming to get you
740
00:32:45,005 --> 00:32:46,715
instead of jumping
into the water
741
00:32:47,007 --> 00:32:50,052
and at least trying to swim
for your life.
742
00:32:50,344 --> 00:32:53,013
We were doing my death scene,
and I saw the fake torso,
743
00:32:53,305 --> 00:32:56,350
and it originally had
really, really large boobs
744
00:32:56,642 --> 00:32:58,644
on the fake torso which I was
super excited about.
745
00:32:58,936 --> 00:32:59,895
And then they were like, "We
might have to rethink this."
746
00:33:00,187 --> 00:33:01,856
I know they made
some adjustments,
747
00:33:02,148 --> 00:33:03,691
and she had really nice nipples,
I remember that.
748
00:33:03,983 --> 00:33:06,485
Kane Hodder was on the set
one day,
749
00:33:06,777 --> 00:33:11,157
and he came out with a strap-on
in full garb you know,
750
00:33:11,449 --> 00:33:15,202
Sounds like something
I should check out.
751
00:33:15,494 --> 00:33:17,580
Once again, fans have been quick
to point out
752
00:33:17,872 --> 00:33:19,373
inconsistencies in the timeline
753
00:33:19,665 --> 00:33:22,877
and the logic of Part 8.
754
00:33:23,169 --> 00:33:26,839
As far as the logic
on how that ship
755
00:33:27,131 --> 00:33:28,924
got out of Crystal Lake
into the Atlantic,
756
00:33:29,216 --> 00:33:31,385
I have no idea.
757
00:33:31,677 --> 00:33:34,221
It's a tough one because
it had to be Crystal Lake,
758
00:33:34,513 --> 00:33:36,182
and we had to get him
on a cruise ship to New York.
759
00:33:36,474 --> 00:33:38,726
And so we tried to do
a little smoke and mirrors
760
00:33:39,018 --> 00:33:40,269
and it maybe didn't quite work.
761
00:33:40,561 --> 00:33:42,480
I have a theory.
762
00:33:42,771 --> 00:33:44,523
I think we were all
so frickin' happy
763
00:33:44,815 --> 00:33:47,067
to have a paying gig
and for most of us,
764
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:49,195
it was our maiden major movie
and it was like,
765
00:33:49,487 --> 00:33:50,779
"This damn boat could come from
the Sahara Desert
766
00:33:51,071 --> 00:33:52,490
and get into the Atlantic."
767
00:33:52,781 --> 00:33:54,366
I'm not going to challenge
the concept.
768
00:33:54,658 --> 00:33:56,658
And we ultimately just said,
"Let's just forget it,
769
00:33:56,911 --> 00:33:58,287
you know. People can... people
may get mad at us for that,
770
00:33:58,579 --> 00:34:00,623
but let's go for it."
771
00:34:00,915 --> 00:34:01,540
Our graduating class
I'd say it's easily, what,
772
00:34:01,832 --> 00:34:03,417
about 100 kids on that boat,
773
00:34:03,709 --> 00:34:05,252
and it's like only
5 of us get killed
774
00:34:05,544 --> 00:34:06,879
but yet everybody's wiped out.
775
00:34:07,171 --> 00:34:09,011
At the very beginning
there were so many extras
776
00:34:09,131 --> 00:34:10,591
and then as the shooting went on
there was less.
777
00:34:10,883 --> 00:34:12,323
And that was probably
a budget issue.
778
00:34:12,510 --> 00:34:15,137
They might've got a little
scared and jumped overboard.
779
00:34:15,429 --> 00:34:17,056
And Julius is like,
"Hold it down."
780
00:34:17,348 --> 00:34:19,558
School is out, McCullough.
781
00:34:19,850 --> 00:34:20,726
I think that's the assumption,
right,
782
00:34:21,018 --> 00:34:23,896
is that Jason basically,
783
00:34:24,188 --> 00:34:27,066
behind the scenes,
was eliminating everyone.
784
00:34:27,358 --> 00:34:29,818
A number of young hopefuls
were initially considered
785
00:34:30,110 --> 00:34:33,072
for the role of the film's
smart yet aquaphobic lead.
786
00:34:33,364 --> 00:34:35,908
Rennie had a special connection
to Jason
787
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,036
because her evil uncle
788
00:34:39,328 --> 00:34:40,746
was trying to teach her
how to swim
789
00:34:41,038 --> 00:34:42,373
when she was a little girl.
790
00:34:42,665 --> 00:34:44,667
So I unfortunately,
791
00:34:44,959 --> 00:34:46,627
because of an Old School
understanding,
792
00:34:46,919 --> 00:34:49,129
I tossed her into the water
793
00:34:49,421 --> 00:34:51,632
which was a not very nice thing
to do for an uncle.
794
00:34:51,924 --> 00:34:55,302
And she saw Jason
under the water.
795
00:34:55,594 --> 00:34:57,805
My character is terrified
of the water
796
00:34:58,097 --> 00:34:59,765
but she decides to go
on the boat anyway.
797
00:35:00,057 --> 00:35:03,519
One by one the classmates
are killed off or missing.
798
00:35:03,811 --> 00:35:05,854
There's nowhere to go.
799
00:35:06,146 --> 00:35:08,524
They can't escape from him
and that claustrophobia
800
00:35:08,816 --> 00:35:10,696
gave me a lot of ideas
in how he could trap them
801
00:35:10,818 --> 00:35:12,695
and kill them.
802
00:35:12,987 --> 00:35:15,948
In 7 and 8 I was sort of absent.
803
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:18,284
I was there in spirit,
804
00:35:18,576 --> 00:35:21,912
but I wasn't there
actually scoring it.
805
00:35:22,204 --> 00:35:25,874
Fred Mollin, the composer
to the TV series,
806
00:35:26,166 --> 00:35:29,628
took over writing the music
to those two films,
807
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,548
although they dropped in
a few pieces of mine
808
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:33,424
from previous films
and, of course,
809
00:35:33,716 --> 00:35:34,967
k-k-k...
810
00:35:35,259 --> 00:35:39,888
TCH-T CH-T CH-JA-JA-JASON
811
00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:42,182
As production
of "Friday the 13th Part 8:
812
00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:44,435
set sail in Vancouver,
British Columbia
813
00:35:44,727 --> 00:35:46,979
under the code titles
"Ashes to Ashes,"
814
00:35:47,271 --> 00:35:49,982
and "Burial at Sea,"
815
00:35:50,274 --> 00:35:53,611
a last-minute change was made
to a key member of the cast.
816
00:35:53,902 --> 00:35:56,280
Originally when we got
to Vancouver to shoot
817
00:35:56,572 --> 00:36:00,284
there was this really hot guy
playing my boyfriend.
818
00:36:00,576 --> 00:36:04,413
That's all I remember about him.
He was really hot and buff.
819
00:36:04,705 --> 00:36:06,785
We shot the first day with this
other guy, great guy,
820
00:36:06,874 --> 00:36:08,626
really nice guy.
821
00:36:08,917 --> 00:36:10,919
It was my first major film but
I had done some other things,
822
00:36:11,211 --> 00:36:13,714
so I shot the first scene
of that day
823
00:36:14,006 --> 00:36:16,800
which was like
well into the script
824
00:36:17,092 --> 00:36:20,095
when the ship was flooding
with Peter Mark Richman.
825
00:36:20,387 --> 00:36:22,389
This is Jason's fault!
826
00:36:22,681 --> 00:36:24,321
Not another word of Jason,
do you hear me?
827
00:36:24,391 --> 00:36:26,151
No, I don't. And it's time
you listened to me
828
00:36:26,226 --> 00:36:27,144
if you want to get off
this ship alive.
829
00:36:27,436 --> 00:36:31,106
Let's get to the lifeboats.
830
00:36:31,398 --> 00:36:32,858
He seemed
a little uncomfortable.
831
00:36:33,150 --> 00:36:34,990
The chemistry with him
and the Rennie character
832
00:36:35,194 --> 00:36:36,737
wasn't quite there.
833
00:36:37,029 --> 00:36:39,448
I thought there was chemistry.
Whatever.
834
00:36:39,740 --> 00:36:41,241
Thank God for the producers
because they really said,
835
00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:42,853
"You know,
there's a problem here,
836
00:36:43,035 --> 00:36:44,787
and if we don't correct it
right now,
837
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:47,956
we're going to have a problem...
A bigger problem."
838
00:36:48,248 --> 00:36:50,417
I think the day after that, one
of the PA's came to me and said,
839
00:36:50,709 --> 00:36:52,549
"The producers want to see you
tomorrow night."
840
00:36:52,711 --> 00:36:55,631
And I knew without them
even saying it,
841
00:36:55,923 --> 00:36:57,966
I'm going to be let go.
842
00:36:58,258 --> 00:37:00,010
And so it was the toughest
thing I've ever, you know,
843
00:37:00,302 --> 00:37:02,142
had to do was to basically
to replace an actor,
844
00:37:02,346 --> 00:37:04,598
and that's what we
ended up doing.
845
00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:05,933
But, again, it was for
the benefit of the movie.
846
00:37:06,225 --> 00:37:08,143
And Scott Reeves came in.
847
00:37:08,435 --> 00:37:11,438
And Scott Reeves was so sweet
and fantastic,
848
00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:13,232
and he's hot too.
849
00:37:13,524 --> 00:37:15,401
Also on board were
Martin Cummins
850
00:37:15,693 --> 00:37:17,861
as film school geek Wayne...
851
00:37:18,153 --> 00:37:20,656
Kelly Hu, best known
for her roles in "X2"
852
00:37:20,948 --> 00:37:22,324
and "The Scorpion King,"
853
00:37:22,616 --> 00:37:24,034
and Saffron Henderson
854
00:37:24,326 --> 00:37:27,371
as head-banging rocker J.J.
855
00:37:27,663 --> 00:37:29,503
There was one girl in the movie
who's a rocker,
856
00:37:29,581 --> 00:37:31,333
and she's got the Flying V.
857
00:37:31,625 --> 00:37:33,627
This place is achin'
for a video!
858
00:37:33,919 --> 00:37:36,714
She's got to get her head
bashed in by a Flying V.
859
00:37:37,005 --> 00:37:39,133
I mean, it just was like
that's a no-brainer.
860
00:37:39,425 --> 00:37:42,136
[Scream and splatter sound]
861
00:37:42,428 --> 00:37:44,638
This is actually J.J.'s guitar
862
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:46,932
and right here you'll notice
863
00:37:47,224 --> 00:37:48,183
that there's actually
some of J.J.'s blood
864
00:37:48,475 --> 00:37:49,727
after almost 20 years.
865
00:37:50,018 --> 00:37:52,020
Forensics evidence.
866
00:37:52,312 --> 00:37:55,274
I think every "Friday the 13th"
has to have the promiscuous girl
867
00:37:55,566 --> 00:37:57,651
who is caught
doing something naughty.
868
00:37:57,943 --> 00:37:59,027
And she pays.
869
00:37:59,319 --> 00:38:00,487
Come and get it.
870
00:38:00,779 --> 00:38:02,281
She was the Queen Bee.
871
00:38:02,573 --> 00:38:03,949
She made everybody
buzz around her.
872
00:38:04,241 --> 00:38:05,909
And she did that
by going in there
873
00:38:06,201 --> 00:38:08,579
and being the edgiest,
the coolest,
874
00:38:08,871 --> 00:38:11,290
the one that was always doing
the riskiest stuff.
875
00:38:11,582 --> 00:38:12,291
I mean, seducing the teacher.
876
00:38:12,583 --> 00:38:14,793
Hey.
877
00:38:15,085 --> 00:38:18,172
There's a scene where she
paints body organs on her.
878
00:38:18,464 --> 00:38:20,174
I didn't mind the biology
project so much
879
00:38:20,466 --> 00:38:22,593
because it was kind of funny,
880
00:38:22,885 --> 00:38:26,054
This girl comes on to me,
and I was getting turned on.
881
00:38:26,346 --> 00:38:29,266
I was really mmm
882
00:38:29,558 --> 00:38:31,477
having it affect me.
883
00:38:31,769 --> 00:38:34,563
Peter was a much older man
when I was doing that,
884
00:38:34,855 --> 00:38:35,981
but he definitely helped me
with the scene
885
00:38:36,273 --> 00:38:38,859
and made me feel comfortable.
886
00:38:39,151 --> 00:38:41,071
What do you think you're doing?
I'm your teacher!
887
00:38:41,153 --> 00:38:43,447
- And cut it. (laughter)
888
00:38:43,739 --> 00:38:46,825
I was a little nervous about,
you know,
889
00:38:47,117 --> 00:38:48,660
some of the revealing shots.
890
00:38:48,952 --> 00:38:50,662
That was my issue really.
891
00:38:50,954 --> 00:38:52,998
Rob Hedden wanted to make me
feel comfortable,
892
00:38:53,290 --> 00:38:54,930
so he just stripped down
at the same time.
893
00:38:55,042 --> 00:38:56,682
He goes, "Look. I'm doing
the same thing."
894
00:38:56,877 --> 00:38:58,629
And he was so awesome that way.
895
00:38:58,921 --> 00:39:01,256
I did not feel exploited.
896
00:39:01,548 --> 00:39:04,384
Then, again, I was the good girl
897
00:39:04,676 --> 00:39:06,636
who was fully clothed
throughout the entire movie.
898
00:39:06,804 --> 00:39:07,930
Not only did I have a shirt,
899
00:39:08,222 --> 00:39:09,931
I had a shirt and a vest
900
00:39:09,932 --> 00:39:11,452
and baggy, horrible pants,
macho shoes.
901
00:39:11,975 --> 00:39:14,770
It was bad. It was very bad.
902
00:39:15,062 --> 00:39:18,357
"Friday the 13th" has so many
'80-isms in it
903
00:39:18,649 --> 00:39:21,068
with the camcorder being this
huge, huge camcorder,
904
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,571
the cocaine, and just the dress
and the hair
905
00:39:24,863 --> 00:39:26,240
because it was big hair,
lots of backcombing
906
00:39:26,532 --> 00:39:32,955
and definitely an '80s movie.
907
00:39:33,247 --> 00:39:35,165
I think that a lot of creativity
908
00:39:35,457 --> 00:39:38,794
rightfully has to go into
modes of murder,
909
00:39:39,086 --> 00:39:40,796
you know, and you know,
910
00:39:41,088 --> 00:39:43,048
how is he going to
dispatch his victims?
911
00:39:43,340 --> 00:39:45,740
We had Kelly Hu and it was one
of her first movies, you know,
912
00:39:45,843 --> 00:39:47,636
and she was great.
913
00:39:47,928 --> 00:39:50,764
And she was totally up for it
and I thought,
914
00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:52,936
"Well, okay, let's figure out
a way to kill them
915
00:39:53,141 --> 00:39:55,602
that doesn't involve a knife
or something else.
916
00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:58,981
The disco scene was one of
the hardest scenes
917
00:39:59,273 --> 00:40:00,566
I've ever had to do as Jason
918
00:40:00,858 --> 00:40:03,735
because we did like
14 hours of work.
919
00:40:04,027 --> 00:40:05,863
We decided to do this big dance
thing and she's circling around
920
00:40:06,154 --> 00:40:07,794
and his face is popping up
here and there.
921
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:11,076
And then at the end,
I had to pick the actress up
922
00:40:11,368 --> 00:40:12,870
and choke her to the ceiling.
923
00:40:13,161 --> 00:40:15,873
I had to say, "Well, now I have
to hold you up to the ceiling,
924
00:40:16,164 --> 00:40:18,792
and then throw you down hard,
and you're dead.
925
00:40:19,084 --> 00:40:20,335
So you can't break your fall.
926
00:40:20,627 --> 00:40:23,380
Not easy to do, and the girl
did a great job
927
00:40:23,672 --> 00:40:27,134
because she just
hit the deck hard.
928
00:40:27,426 --> 00:40:29,666
That was actually one of the,
at least from what I heard,
929
00:40:29,845 --> 00:40:31,305
you know, one of the more
satisfying deaths in it
930
00:40:31,597 --> 00:40:34,391
because even without any blood
or, you know, gore.
931
00:40:34,683 --> 00:40:36,852
Despite its attempts to feature
more fantastic effects
932
00:40:37,144 --> 00:40:38,896
than outright bloodletting,
933
00:40:39,187 --> 00:40:40,939
the film still had to
pass muster
934
00:40:41,231 --> 00:40:44,776
with the stringent MPAA
ratings board.
935
00:40:45,068 --> 00:40:47,613
I always thought of
"Friday the 13th Part 8"
936
00:40:47,905 --> 00:40:49,698
as sort of the Disney version
of the "Friday the 13ths."
937
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:53,368
It wasn't quite as gory.
938
00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:55,120
Well, I don't really know about
the censor boards
939
00:40:55,412 --> 00:40:56,705
and what they allow, or
what they didn't allow,
940
00:40:56,997 --> 00:40:57,915
but I'm sure they probably
didn't like
941
00:40:58,206 --> 00:41:00,709
"Friday the 13th"
so maybe that's why the,
942
00:41:01,001 --> 00:41:03,086
you know, blood situation
sort of diminished.
943
00:41:03,378 --> 00:41:05,714
It just seemed a little tame.
944
00:41:06,006 --> 00:41:06,840
I mean, the 1980's,
at the height of the success
945
00:41:07,132 --> 00:41:08,884
of these movies,
946
00:41:09,176 --> 00:41:10,344
there were multiple cases made
that he was kind of
947
00:41:10,636 --> 00:41:12,846
the modern Reagan-era killer
948
00:41:13,138 --> 00:41:15,419
because he was making those kids
that didn't "just say no"
949
00:41:15,515 --> 00:41:18,477
and were having
premarital sex, pay.
950
00:41:18,769 --> 00:41:20,145
It's just sort of, watch out,
young people.
951
00:41:20,437 --> 00:41:21,688
Be careful what you do
952
00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:23,982
because Jason's
gonna come to you.
953
00:41:24,274 --> 00:41:26,109
There were various things
like, "Okay,
954
00:41:26,401 --> 00:41:28,737
we gotta electrocute one kid,
gotta electrocute somebody.
955
00:41:29,029 --> 00:41:29,821
A lot of sparks.
That'll be great.
956
00:41:30,113 --> 00:41:31,698
Another one we did,
957
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:33,450
and this was done
after the fact,
958
00:41:33,742 --> 00:41:34,409
it wasn't shot
during principal photography.
959
00:41:34,701 --> 00:41:37,120
We decided let's put a sauna
on the ship.
960
00:41:37,412 --> 00:41:38,892
I actually put the Panaflex
on my back
961
00:41:39,164 --> 00:41:42,125
to shoot that sequence
of the hot coals.
962
00:41:42,417 --> 00:41:43,919
You start asking yourself is
there something wrong with you
963
00:41:44,211 --> 00:41:46,421
when you're spending your day
964
00:41:46,713 --> 00:41:48,674
thinking up ways
to murder people.
965
00:41:48,966 --> 00:41:51,259
L'll never forget when I was
shooting the shower scene
966
00:41:51,551 --> 00:41:53,911
because when he comes in, even
though you know it's a movie,
967
00:41:54,179 --> 00:41:57,349
and you know you're just
acting, it was scary.
968
00:41:57,641 --> 00:42:00,018
You know, you shoot all night.
969
00:42:00,310 --> 00:42:02,938
You shoot all night in these
movies and you're exhausted,
970
00:42:03,230 --> 00:42:05,357
you're freezing, you're being
hosed down all the time.
971
00:42:05,649 --> 00:42:07,209
You're in the same clothes
for 3 months.
972
00:42:07,484 --> 00:42:11,279
It was somewhat dangerous.
973
00:42:11,571 --> 00:42:14,116
We were rather miserable
through that period.
974
00:42:14,408 --> 00:42:16,326
I had to be drowning
in the ocean,
975
00:42:16,618 --> 00:42:19,246
and we were in this huge
oil tank
976
00:42:19,538 --> 00:42:21,206
on the sound stage,
977
00:42:21,498 --> 00:42:23,098
and I just remember
going under the water
978
00:42:23,375 --> 00:42:25,961
and coming up and just being
covered in oil,
979
00:42:26,253 --> 00:42:28,005
and on my face and thinking,
980
00:42:28,296 --> 00:42:31,258
I think I've just taken
10 years off of my life.
981
00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:33,301
One of the takes
that's in the film
982
00:42:33,593 --> 00:42:35,113
where Julius comes up
out of the water,
983
00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:37,764
the water was so violent
984
00:42:38,056 --> 00:42:40,183
I'm losing the boat here.
I'm losing the boat.
985
00:42:40,475 --> 00:42:43,437
The boat was closer
than I had anticipated,
986
00:42:43,729 --> 00:42:45,814
so when I came up,
the top of my gums
987
00:42:46,106 --> 00:42:47,607
hit the edge of the boat.
988
00:42:47,899 --> 00:42:51,403
There were so many times
where I just hoped
989
00:42:51,695 --> 00:42:52,863
that I wasn't going to end up
in a cast
990
00:42:53,155 --> 00:42:56,450
at the end of the night.
991
00:42:56,742 --> 00:42:57,993
But, you know, it's show biz,
baby, you know.
992
00:42:58,285 --> 00:43:00,454
You keep it moving.
993
00:43:00,746 --> 00:43:02,664
When the remaining cast members
abandon ship
994
00:43:02,956 --> 00:43:04,958
in a final bid for survival,
995
00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:09,171
it appears that Jason had been
left behind on the Lazarus.
996
00:43:09,463 --> 00:43:11,506
Leaving fans to ponder
another question...
997
00:43:11,798 --> 00:43:14,259
How did Jason
get to New York City?
998
00:43:14,551 --> 00:43:16,261
We went through all of these,
you know,
999
00:43:16,553 --> 00:43:20,098
scenarios of how did he
get there
1000
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:21,308
and then we ultimately decided
1001
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,852
let's just
let the audience wonder
1002
00:43:24,144 --> 00:43:25,979
and let them
try to figure it out.
1003
00:43:26,271 --> 00:43:27,314
He'd been doing all these
other things during the movie
1004
00:43:27,606 --> 00:43:29,941
that defy any kind
of human logic.
1005
00:43:30,233 --> 00:43:32,527
One image I had in my head
1006
00:43:32,819 --> 00:43:33,987
that really pertained
to the New York thing
1007
00:43:34,279 --> 00:43:37,991
was having Jason
rise up out of the water
1008
00:43:38,283 --> 00:43:40,243
into the harbor in New York,
1009
00:43:40,535 --> 00:43:42,079
and the first thing he sees
is a giant billboard
1010
00:43:42,370 --> 00:43:44,289
with his face on it,
1011
00:43:44,581 --> 00:43:48,502
and he gives, just this little
cock of his head like, what?
1012
00:43:48,794 --> 00:43:51,463
Operator, this is an emergency.
Get me the police.
1013
00:43:51,755 --> 00:43:56,468
[Glass My death scene, the fans
1014
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,595
and just the letters and stuff
that I get,
1015
00:43:58,887 --> 00:44:02,182
it really, it really
made an impact on people.
1016
00:44:02,474 --> 00:44:05,977
Just a great scene because it
had really never been done
1017
00:44:06,269 --> 00:44:08,855
to try and box Jason.
1018
00:44:09,147 --> 00:44:12,234
Initially they had planned
to have that boxing match
1019
00:44:12,526 --> 00:44:16,363
take place
in Madison Square Garden.
1020
00:44:16,655 --> 00:44:17,864
His character thought, you know,
l'll just wear him out
1021
00:44:18,156 --> 00:44:19,491
with my punches and ended up
wearing himself out.
1022
00:44:19,783 --> 00:44:22,702
We just really went for it.
1023
00:44:22,994 --> 00:44:26,081
I, you know, to ask Kane.
I said, "Hey, dude.
1024
00:44:26,373 --> 00:44:28,333
Can I really hit you?" He goes,
"V.C., give me all you got."
1025
00:44:28,625 --> 00:44:31,711
He was punching me for real
on every shot to the body.
1026
00:44:32,003 --> 00:44:34,172
Like 66 punches each take.
1027
00:44:34,464 --> 00:44:36,341
And like even
at the end of that scene
1028
00:44:36,633 --> 00:44:38,385
where you see my knuckles
very swollen
1029
00:44:38,677 --> 00:44:39,469
and with blood and stuff
all on them,
1030
00:44:39,761 --> 00:44:41,179
that was real, baby.
1031
00:44:41,471 --> 00:44:43,932
It was, you know,
it was toe to toe.
1032
00:44:44,224 --> 00:44:46,560
So I did, you know,
I took a little abuse myself
1033
00:44:46,852 --> 00:44:49,563
so by the time it was time
1034
00:44:49,855 --> 00:44:51,690
to knock the head off the dummy,
I was ready to do it.
1035
00:44:51,982 --> 00:44:54,943
You know, everybody else can see
what's coming but Julius.
1036
00:44:55,235 --> 00:44:57,404
You know what I mean?
So he's just standing there.
1037
00:44:57,696 --> 00:45:00,073
And just a classic line that
he gives right before that.
1038
00:45:00,365 --> 00:45:02,075
Take your best shot
1039
00:45:02,367 --> 00:45:04,244
Motherfucker.
1040
00:45:04,536 --> 00:45:06,296
If you are going to sort of
tire yourself out
1041
00:45:06,413 --> 00:45:08,206
trying to take Jason on,
1042
00:45:08,498 --> 00:45:11,418
don't pause and say "Take your
best shot, motherfucker."
1043
00:45:11,710 --> 00:45:13,753
Run because he is going to knock
your head off into a dumpster.
1044
00:45:14,045 --> 00:45:16,548
They made three.
One was for close-ups.
1045
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,342
One was heavier that actually
hit the garbage can,
1046
00:45:19,634 --> 00:45:21,011
and then there was another one
that was lighter
1047
00:45:21,303 --> 00:45:22,596
that they tossed up in the air.
1048
00:45:22,888 --> 00:45:25,432
Yeah, but I kept the one,
the money shot one.
1049
00:45:25,724 --> 00:45:26,558
The one that was for close-ups.
1050
00:45:26,850 --> 00:45:28,643
It was an adventure.
1051
00:45:28,935 --> 00:45:30,687
It was really,
really an adventure.
1052
00:45:30,979 --> 00:45:32,856
For veteran character actor
Peter Mark Richman,
1053
00:45:33,148 --> 00:45:35,066
best known for his roles
in episodes
1054
00:45:35,358 --> 00:45:37,319
of "The Twilight Zone"
and "Dynasty,"
1055
00:45:37,611 --> 00:45:40,322
being killed by Jason
was hardly the high point
1056
00:45:40,614 --> 00:45:43,658
of his prestigious
acting career.
1057
00:45:43,950 --> 00:45:47,954
One of the most awful things
that I had to do was my demise.
1058
00:45:48,246 --> 00:45:49,581
Jason picked me up and
carried me over to this barrel,
1059
00:45:49,873 --> 00:45:54,169
and there was a rat on top of
the barrel.
1060
00:45:54,461 --> 00:45:57,255
It was so nauseating.
1061
00:45:57,547 --> 00:46:01,259
We shot in some miserable street
in Vancouver.
1062
00:46:01,551 --> 00:46:03,220
That was supposed to be
New York, right?
1063
00:46:03,511 --> 00:46:05,055
So there was a joke
running around.
1064
00:46:05,347 --> 00:46:06,640
It was Jason Takes Vancouver
1065
00:46:06,932 --> 00:46:09,476
instead of Jason
Takes Manhattan,
1066
00:46:09,768 --> 00:46:12,270
but we were able to make
a lot of parts of Vancouver
1067
00:46:12,562 --> 00:46:14,231
look like New York.
1068
00:46:14,522 --> 00:46:16,002
Let's be honest.
That's not Manhattan.
1069
00:46:16,107 --> 00:46:18,026
I've been to Manhattan.
That's not Manhattan.
1070
00:46:18,318 --> 00:46:22,072
You don't understand, there's
a maniac trying to kill us.
1071
00:46:22,364 --> 00:46:24,658
Welcome to New York.
1072
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:27,619
It's kind of like trying to
make a nice steak dinner
1073
00:46:27,911 --> 00:46:29,496
on a ham sandwich budget.
1074
00:46:29,788 --> 00:46:33,123
Not since "Rumble in the Bronx"
1075
00:46:33,124 --> 00:46:33,374
has a less accurate depiction
of New York been presented.
1076
00:46:33,375 --> 00:46:35,418
And then not only that,
1077
00:46:35,710 --> 00:46:36,795
they were only
going to let me shoot
1078
00:46:37,087 --> 00:46:39,464
for one week actually
in New York.
1079
00:46:39,756 --> 00:46:41,383
We put a 40-foot crane in
the middle of Times Square,
1080
00:46:41,675 --> 00:46:43,760
and we did some big stuff
1081
00:46:44,052 --> 00:46:45,679
that none of the Fridays
had been able to do before.
1082
00:46:45,971 --> 00:46:49,516
It gave us a different
kind of engagement
1083
00:46:49,808 --> 00:46:51,393
with the, with the audience.
1084
00:46:51,685 --> 00:46:55,188
The single most amazing thing
that I've ever done
1085
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,110
as the character was shooting
the scenes in Times Square.
1086
00:47:00,402 --> 00:47:05,156
And there were hundreds of
people on either side
1087
00:47:05,448 --> 00:47:05,490
of the streets behind barricades
watching the filming.
1088
00:47:05,782 --> 00:47:07,993
So I had the mask on,
1089
00:47:08,285 --> 00:47:10,870
and just stood there knowing
there's hundreds of people,
1090
00:47:11,162 --> 00:47:13,665
and I just turned
and looked at them.
1091
00:47:13,957 --> 00:47:15,583
They went nuts.
1092
00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:17,085
It was the most incredible thing
I've ever seen.
1093
00:47:17,377 --> 00:47:19,337
Screaming and cheering
1094
00:47:19,629 --> 00:47:21,749
just because I had given them
the look in the costume.
1095
00:47:21,923 --> 00:47:23,842
But when I was standing
in Times Square
1096
00:47:24,134 --> 00:47:25,302
looking at this giant crane
with all these extras around,
1097
00:47:25,593 --> 00:47:26,970
Jason walking through.
1098
00:47:27,262 --> 00:47:28,930
This is a real movie.
This is big.
1099
00:47:29,222 --> 00:47:31,141
I felt like,
like a rock star or something
1100
00:47:31,433 --> 00:47:33,018
because the way people reacted.
1101
00:47:33,310 --> 00:47:35,270
You didn't get me in the lake.
1102
00:47:35,562 --> 00:47:38,273
And you're not gonna get me now!
1103
00:47:38,565 --> 00:47:40,483
I felt very empowered
playing the part,
1104
00:47:40,775 --> 00:47:41,943
especially at the end
when, you know,
1105
00:47:42,235 --> 00:47:43,778
I was the only one surviving
1106
00:47:44,070 --> 00:47:48,074
and there we were in the sewers,
and I felt like,
1107
00:47:48,366 --> 00:47:51,036
Alright, this is a nice,
tough, accurate portrayal
1108
00:47:51,328 --> 00:47:57,000
of a girl's strength.
1109
00:47:57,292 --> 00:47:59,169
You know, he's chasing
after our heroes
1110
00:47:59,461 --> 00:48:01,463
at the end and he gets hit
with toxic waste
1111
00:48:01,755 --> 00:48:04,132
and melts to the point where
it is supernatural ending
1112
00:48:04,424 --> 00:48:06,468
where he finally reverts
to the child,
1113
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,678
which seemed like it had more
closure than the other ones
1114
00:48:08,970 --> 00:48:10,330
as far as Jason coming
full circle.
1115
00:48:10,555 --> 00:48:12,849
And what was supposed to happen
is that
1116
00:48:13,141 --> 00:48:16,728
young Jason comes out of this
giant skull,
1117
00:48:17,020 --> 00:48:19,356
and it just looked funny.
1118
00:48:19,647 --> 00:48:22,192
And so it was on the famous
cutting room floor.
1119
00:48:22,484 --> 00:48:24,986
Were I submerged in toxic waste,
1120
00:48:25,278 --> 00:48:27,614
I'm probably not emerging
as my 8-year-old self,
1121
00:48:27,906 --> 00:48:29,546
particularly if I was already
a mongoloid,
1122
00:48:29,699 --> 00:48:31,409
mentally handicapped person.
1123
00:48:31,701 --> 00:48:32,702
Clearly the government
needs to be investigating
1124
00:48:32,994 --> 00:48:35,663
the healthy byproduct
of toxic waste.
1125
00:48:35,955 --> 00:48:38,875
Part of it is that he is just
a supernatural kind of being,
1126
00:48:39,167 --> 00:48:41,920
that keeps coming back.
1127
00:48:42,212 --> 00:48:43,671
You just can't kill the guy.
1128
00:48:43,963 --> 00:48:46,841
And I couldn't kill him either.
1129
00:48:47,133 --> 00:48:48,593
He-he-he-he.
1130
00:48:48,885 --> 00:48:50,845
The never-ending battle
1131
00:48:51,137 --> 00:48:52,722
between Jason and the Motion
Picture Association of America
1132
00:48:53,014 --> 00:48:54,808
continued to make headlines
1133
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:56,434
in the weeks leading up
to the film's release.
1134
00:48:56,726 --> 00:48:57,966
The ratings board wasn't amused
1135
00:48:58,228 --> 00:48:59,646
by the image of Jason
1136
00:48:59,938 --> 00:49:02,023
slashing his way through
the film's teaser poster
1137
00:49:02,315 --> 00:49:03,525
with a bloody knife.
1138
00:49:03,817 --> 00:49:06,486
And neither were New York City
officials.
1139
00:49:06,778 --> 00:49:09,114
I remember some controversy
as far as like
1140
00:49:09,406 --> 00:49:11,825
with the "I Heart New York"
poster.
1141
00:49:12,117 --> 00:49:16,037
It did piss off
the Tourism Board in New York.
1142
00:49:16,329 --> 00:49:18,957
In other news, after New York
officials threatened to sue,
1143
00:49:19,249 --> 00:49:22,127
Paramount Pictures
agreed to remove
1144
00:49:22,419 --> 00:49:25,672
the original promotional posters
for "Friday the 13th Part 8"
1145
00:49:25,964 --> 00:49:29,008
where Jason is slashing through
the "I love New York" logo.
1146
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:33,555
As far as like capitalizing
on being in New York City,
1147
00:49:33,847 --> 00:49:35,515
I think one of the,
another way that they did that,
1148
00:49:35,807 --> 00:49:38,810
that was really kind of
brilliant was the trailer.
1149
00:49:39,102 --> 00:49:40,395
They set it up with the skyline
1150
00:49:40,687 --> 00:49:42,230
that we all know to be
New York City.
1151
00:49:42,522 --> 00:49:43,940
You know,
Frank Sinatra's playing.
1152
00:49:44,232 --> 00:49:45,066
You know, you're thinking
it's going to be
1153
00:49:45,358 --> 00:49:47,902
some beautiful, sleepy,
you know, date movie
1154
00:49:48,194 --> 00:49:52,240
and then all of a sudden
Jason's ass pops up in there.
1155
00:49:52,532 --> 00:49:56,077
Now New York has a new problem.
1156
00:49:56,369 --> 00:49:58,455
Even if you are not
a genre film fan,
1157
00:49:58,746 --> 00:49:59,539
you're just
a marketing executive,
1158
00:49:59,831 --> 00:50:02,417
that is a home run
marketing concept.
1159
00:50:02,709 --> 00:50:05,336
And then shortly after we did
"Jason Takes Manhattan,"
1160
00:50:05,628 --> 00:50:07,380
(I was asked to do
"The Arsenic) Hall Show,"
1161
00:50:07,672 --> 00:50:10,049
in costume as a guest.
1162
00:50:10,341 --> 00:50:14,095
And I walk out, and he pulled
the whole interview off
1163
00:50:14,387 --> 00:50:15,638
by talking to someone
who doesn't speak.
1164
00:50:15,930 --> 00:50:18,057
I got some great titles
I put together...
1165
00:50:18,349 --> 00:50:20,349
Jason and the Three Babies.
What you think of that?
1166
00:50:20,518 --> 00:50:21,895
(laughter)
1167
00:50:22,187 --> 00:50:23,730
Despite its clever ad campaign,
1168
00:50:24,022 --> 00:50:26,357
the film opened
to scathing reviews
1169
00:50:26,649 --> 00:50:31,696
and earned a new series low
of $14.3 million.
1170
00:50:31,988 --> 00:50:33,573
I don't know
if "Friday the 13th Part 8"
1171
00:50:33,865 --> 00:50:35,909
was the best episode.
1172
00:50:36,201 --> 00:50:37,368
I think the first one
was probably the best episode,
1173
00:50:37,660 --> 00:50:39,078
in my humble opinion.
1174
00:50:39,370 --> 00:50:42,373
But we gave it our best.
We really tried.
1175
00:50:42,665 --> 00:50:44,959
One of the things is that some
of the fans,
1176
00:50:45,251 --> 00:50:46,127
it kind of rubbed them
the wrong way,
1177
00:50:46,419 --> 00:50:48,588
the fact that they went
expecting to see
1178
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,280
all this slashing and the things
that you typically associate
1179
00:50:51,466 --> 00:50:54,260
with a "Friday the 13th" movie
taking place in New York City,
1180
00:50:54,552 --> 00:50:56,346
and, you know, it took place
on the boat.
1181
00:50:56,638 --> 00:50:58,431
For producer Frank Mancuso, Jr.,
1182
00:50:58,723 --> 00:51:00,808
who would go on to produce
such films
1183
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:04,312
as "Species,"
"Ronin" and "Stigmata,"
1184
00:51:04,604 --> 00:51:07,023
the time had finally come
to hang up the hockey mask
1185
00:51:07,315 --> 00:51:11,236
and bid farewell
to "Friday the 13th."
1186
00:51:11,528 --> 00:51:14,489
The "Friday the 13ths" had a lot
of negative connotations
1187
00:51:14,781 --> 00:51:18,618
that came along with it from
a societal point of view,
1188
00:51:18,910 --> 00:51:23,081
and I think that that was
very much a concern to me.
1189
00:51:23,373 --> 00:51:25,625
And if a kid got shot
in a Friday the 13th movie,
1190
00:51:25,917 --> 00:51:27,835
it was the movie's fault,
1191
00:51:28,127 --> 00:51:29,254
it wasn't the fact that the kid
was there with the gun.
1192
00:51:29,546 --> 00:51:31,631
You know, so,
I can't keep on doing this
1193
00:51:31,923 --> 00:51:33,258
because on some level this is
going to get to a place
1194
00:51:33,550 --> 00:51:35,635
where I can't get away from it.
1195
00:51:35,927 --> 00:51:38,407
So I've sort of made a conscious
decision not to do it anymore.
1196
00:51:38,638 --> 00:51:41,099
I got along so great
with Frank and just,
1197
00:51:41,391 --> 00:51:43,768
he just had such a great
attitude.
1198
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:47,105
And I was just amazed
at how much creativity
1199
00:51:47,397 --> 00:51:50,650
and certainly insight
into what was going to work,
1200
00:51:50,942 --> 00:51:52,110
what wasn't going to work,
1201
00:51:52,402 --> 00:51:54,946
and how to handle people.
1202
00:51:55,238 --> 00:51:56,823
I was lucky enough
to be on that ride,
1203
00:51:57,115 --> 00:51:58,366
and I appreciate the fans
1204
00:51:58,658 --> 00:52:00,994
because as far as I'm concerned,
1205
00:52:01,286 --> 00:52:04,789
the fans are what
made this movie what it is.
1206
00:52:05,081 --> 00:52:06,541
A cultural sort of phenomenon.
1207
00:52:06,833 --> 00:52:09,127
And that doesn't happen one way.
1208
00:52:09,419 --> 00:52:11,588
That's a two-way street.
1209
00:52:11,879 --> 00:52:13,298
They sort of
brought a life to it
1210
00:52:13,590 --> 00:52:13,840
that it would have never had
without them,
1211
00:52:14,132 --> 00:52:19,132
without any doubt.
1212
00:52:30,690 --> 00:52:32,984
Although Paramount Pictures
never officially announced
1213
00:52:33,276 --> 00:52:34,902
the end of their association
1214
00:52:35,194 --> 00:52:36,321
with the "Friday the 13th"
franchise,
1215
00:52:36,613 --> 00:52:38,406
after the disappointing
box office returns
1216
00:52:38,698 --> 00:52:40,491
of JASON TAKES MANHATTAN,
1217
00:52:40,783 --> 00:52:42,076
there was little interest
in moving forward
1218
00:52:42,368 --> 00:52:43,995
with another sequel.
1219
00:52:44,287 --> 00:52:46,623
For three years,
Jason would lie dormant...
1220
00:52:46,914 --> 00:52:49,417
until producer
Sean S. Cunningham
1221
00:52:49,709 --> 00:52:51,836
decided that the time had come
1222
00:52:52,128 --> 00:52:55,548
for the monster
to return to his maker.
1223
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,841
You know, I was away
from FRIDAY THE 13TH
1224
00:52:57,133 --> 00:52:59,010
for several years
1225
00:52:59,302 --> 00:53:00,386
because they were making the
same movie over and over again,
1226
00:53:00,678 --> 00:53:02,430
and I'd been associated with it,
1227
00:53:02,722 --> 00:53:04,202
but I had moved on
to do other things.
1228
00:53:04,265 --> 00:53:06,100
I think probably after "Part 8,"
1229
00:53:06,392 --> 00:53:08,312
Paramount figured the franchise
had gone its run.
1230
00:53:08,478 --> 00:53:10,438
The whole reason to come back
1231
00:53:10,730 --> 00:53:12,130
was I wanted to do
Freddy vs. Jason.
1232
00:53:12,273 --> 00:53:14,192
I thought that was going to be
so cool,
1233
00:53:14,484 --> 00:53:16,694
and it was a way to sort of
breathe the life into it.
1234
00:53:16,986 --> 00:53:19,322
As it turned out, I was able
to get the rights back
1235
00:53:19,614 --> 00:53:20,934
from Paramount
and Warner Brothers
1236
00:53:21,032 --> 00:53:21,949
and set something up
at New Line,
1237
00:53:22,241 --> 00:53:24,494
but we had to wait
for a long time
1238
00:53:24,786 --> 00:53:26,186
before we could do
FREDDY VS. JASON,
1239
00:53:26,454 --> 00:53:30,083
and that's when we wound up
doing FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 9.
1240
00:53:30,375 --> 00:53:32,095
Paramount kept the rights
to FRIDAY THE 13TH
1241
00:53:32,377 --> 00:53:34,754
and the other partners
had Jason Voorhees,
1242
00:53:35,046 --> 00:53:38,299
Which is Why PART 9
is a FINAL FRIDAY,
1243
00:53:38,591 --> 00:53:40,843
not FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 9.
1244
00:53:41,135 --> 00:53:42,553
With the sequel rights
now secured
1245
00:53:42,845 --> 00:53:44,972
and New Line Cinema
officially on board,
1246
00:53:45,264 --> 00:53:47,350
Cunningham turned
the director's chair
1247
00:53:47,642 --> 00:53:49,852
over to an ambitious young
filmmaker
1248
00:53:50,144 --> 00:53:53,231
whose passion was matched only
by his inexperience.
1249
00:53:53,523 --> 00:53:55,274
When I started
directing the film I was 23.
1250
00:53:55,566 --> 00:53:58,027
And at that point I was
the youngest director
1251
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:00,719
New Line had ever hired, and I
was a year out of film school.
1252
00:54:00,863 --> 00:54:01,572
And I won Best Picture when
I was there for the short film
1253
00:54:01,864 --> 00:54:03,366
that I had made.
1254
00:54:03,658 --> 00:54:05,326
He had just graduated NYU,
1255
00:54:05,618 --> 00:54:07,704
had a script written
with a friend named Dean Lorey
1256
00:54:07,995 --> 00:54:09,664
Called JOHNNY ZOMBIE.
1257
00:54:09,956 --> 00:54:12,417
It was a fun little kind of
horror comedy
1258
00:54:12,709 --> 00:54:15,753
that started getting more
and more attention
1259
00:54:16,045 --> 00:54:17,588
and eventually became a film
called MY BOYFRIEND'S BACK
1260
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,883
which was a major production
for Disney,
1261
00:54:21,175 --> 00:54:22,927
and they didn't want a
first-time director helming it.
1262
00:54:23,219 --> 00:54:26,055
So Adam kind of got bumped
off the project.
1263
00:54:26,347 --> 00:54:28,599
Our feeling about Jason
1264
00:54:28,891 --> 00:54:30,852
was we can't take it
too seriously.
1265
00:54:31,144 --> 00:54:32,311
It's got to be fun for us.
1266
00:54:32,603 --> 00:54:34,188
And we were huge geek fans.
1267
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:35,982
We loved the series.
1268
00:54:36,274 --> 00:54:37,834
And it was like,
'How do we make a movie
1269
00:54:37,984 --> 00:54:39,569
that we want to see?'
1270
00:54:39,861 --> 00:54:41,738
I think when JASON GOES TO HELL
was conceived
1271
00:54:42,029 --> 00:54:44,615
it was coming off
the ill-reception of PART 8
1272
00:54:44,907 --> 00:54:48,161
which was not very positive.
1273
00:54:48,453 --> 00:54:51,038
So we tried to kind of change
the formula a little bit.
1274
00:54:51,330 --> 00:54:53,416
The plot was actually
dictated by Sean.
1275
00:54:53,708 --> 00:54:55,948
Basically what he said was,
'I want that damn hockey mask
1276
00:54:56,210 --> 00:54:58,045
out of the movie.
1277
00:54:58,337 --> 00:55:00,423
So whatever you come up with,
let's make that movie.'
1278
00:55:00,715 --> 00:55:03,885
Rightly or wrongly, maybe Jason
needed a little shaking up.
1279
00:55:04,177 --> 00:55:07,013
So we decided to go in and mess
with the mythology a little bit.
1280
00:55:07,305 --> 00:55:09,682
Much like in HALLOWEEN 3.
1281
00:55:09,974 --> 00:55:11,976
They just threw out
Michael Myers entirely.
1282
00:55:12,268 --> 00:55:14,187
Sean wasn't involved
with the hockey mask.
1283
00:55:14,479 --> 00:55:15,563
That wasn't Sean's movie.
1284
00:55:15,855 --> 00:55:18,274
Sean's movie was about a mother
1285
00:55:18,566 --> 00:55:20,109
avenging the wrongful death
of her son.
1286
00:55:20,401 --> 00:55:23,362
So Sean always wanted to kind
of go back to themes of family
1287
00:55:23,654 --> 00:55:25,865
and those ideas so we were
really turned on by that.
1288
00:55:26,157 --> 00:55:28,326
He wanted to create a mythology
1289
00:55:28,618 --> 00:55:31,329
out of these previous
eight films
1290
00:55:31,621 --> 00:55:36,167
that really weren't in any way
leading to a mythology,
1291
00:55:36,459 --> 00:55:37,585
so he had to kind of create it
from scratch.
1292
00:55:37,877 --> 00:55:39,712
We thought how fun would it be
to play with
1293
00:55:40,004 --> 00:55:41,844
the audience's expectations
and start the movie
1294
00:55:42,048 --> 00:55:43,090
by killing Jason.
1295
00:55:43,382 --> 00:55:48,888
Incoming!
1296
00:55:49,180 --> 00:55:51,098
And once he's been killed,
1297
00:55:51,390 --> 00:55:53,270
we started to reveal
a more sort of interesting,
1298
00:55:53,392 --> 00:55:54,018
or at least
from our point of view,
1299
00:55:54,310 --> 00:55:56,854
version of the Jason myth
1300
00:55:57,146 --> 00:56:01,317
which is that Jason
is ostensibly Hell's assassin.
1301
00:56:01,609 --> 00:56:03,736
I didn't have a clue
as to what the plot was.
1302
00:56:04,028 --> 00:56:05,696
And we got this hodge-podge
of a script.
1303
00:56:05,988 --> 00:56:08,241
There was something about Jason
1304
00:56:08,533 --> 00:56:10,201
transferring from body
to body to body.
1305
00:56:10,493 --> 00:56:14,872
So Jason is not
a hockey mask wielding maniac,
1306
00:56:15,164 --> 00:56:16,624
even though
that's his favorite form,
1307
00:56:16,916 --> 00:56:23,881
but that his evil can go
from person to person to person.
1308
00:56:24,173 --> 00:56:26,384
This was one of
the first films where
1309
00:56:26,676 --> 00:56:31,180
the idea and the essence
of Jason's evil
1310
00:56:31,472 --> 00:56:34,100
sort of manifesting itself
physically
1311
00:56:34,392 --> 00:56:36,352
was really the first time
they'd ever done that,
1312
00:56:36,644 --> 00:56:38,229
and it was definitely a
departure from the other movies.
1313
00:56:38,521 --> 00:56:40,898
So it was a bit more
of a creature movie
1314
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:43,442
than it was an all-out
kind of slasher film.
1315
00:56:43,734 --> 00:56:45,987
It's reminiscent of THE HIDDEN
1316
00:56:46,279 --> 00:56:48,990
which I hadn't even seen
before we wrote JASON.
1317
00:56:49,282 --> 00:56:52,118
So we were like, 'Wow.
That's coincidental. Uh, oh.'
1318
00:56:52,410 --> 00:56:54,412
I was so surprised when I
finally saw the film
1319
00:56:54,704 --> 00:56:57,540
that it actually
made any sense at all.
1320
00:56:57,832 --> 00:56:59,512
I think we figured out
that the entire crew
1321
00:56:59,792 --> 00:57:02,128
was under the age of 25
except for me.
1322
00:57:02,420 --> 00:57:03,921
And I went, 'Really?'
1323
00:57:04,213 --> 00:57:07,341
And so there was that enthusiasm
like, 'Oh, boy!
1324
00:57:07,633 --> 00:57:08,426
We're doing a feature film here!
1325
00:57:08,718 --> 00:57:09,969
This is so cool!'
1326
00:57:10,261 --> 00:57:11,721
I didn't know a damn thing,
1327
00:57:12,013 --> 00:57:14,515
and I think about the first day
of production
1328
00:57:14,807 --> 00:57:17,393
is when I realized, 'Wow!
I am so in over my head.'
1329
00:57:17,685 --> 00:57:19,937
As JASON GOES TO HELL begins,
1330
00:57:20,229 --> 00:57:22,857
a nubile young woman returns
to her Crystal Lake cabin
1331
00:57:23,149 --> 00:57:24,233
in the dead of the night.
1332
00:57:24,525 --> 00:57:26,986
But in an unexpected twist,
1333
00:57:27,278 --> 00:57:29,572
it is revealed that Jason's
intended victim
1334
00:57:29,864 --> 00:57:33,409
is really an FBI agent
being used as human bait.
1335
00:57:33,701 --> 00:57:35,703
So what's funny about
my character, Agent Marcus,
1336
00:57:35,995 --> 00:57:37,705
is that she's an FBI agent.
1337
00:57:37,997 --> 00:57:39,797
We try to make it like you
wouldn't know that.
1338
00:57:40,082 --> 00:57:42,460
I mean, why would an FBI agent
get naked in this cabin
1339
00:57:42,752 --> 00:57:44,545
to lure someone but, hey,
1340
00:57:44,837 --> 00:57:45,880
the girl's gotta do
what the girl's gotta do.
1341
00:57:46,172 --> 00:57:48,716
And I remember Adam like
hating my hair.
1342
00:57:49,008 --> 00:57:50,808
I'm like, 'Honey,
if you're looking at my hair
1343
00:57:50,968 --> 00:57:52,678
and not my hooters,
what are you doing?'
1344
00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:55,765
And we put every cliché
1345
00:57:56,057 --> 00:57:57,433
that had ever been in any
of the FRIDAY THE 13TH movies
1346
00:57:57,725 --> 00:57:59,936
within a 5 minute section.
1347
00:58:00,227 --> 00:58:02,107
You'll see the mirror close,
and he's not there.
1348
00:58:02,396 --> 00:58:03,522
I thought Adam
was kind of brilliant
1349
00:58:03,814 --> 00:58:06,609
in the way he kind of just
spoon fed you.
1350
00:58:06,901 --> 00:58:07,693
'Oh, you're okay, you're okay,
okay. No, you aren't.
1351
00:58:07,985 --> 00:58:09,695
You're fucked.
1352
00:58:09,987 --> 00:58:12,239
I was able to bring
Kane Hodder back
1353
00:58:12,531 --> 00:58:14,700
who had played Jason before,
and he was basically
1354
00:58:14,992 --> 00:58:17,954
the only holdover that was left
from the Paramount years.
1355
00:58:18,245 --> 00:58:20,164
It wasn't even a discussion.
1356
00:58:20,456 --> 00:58:22,625
It was, 'So who's got
Kane Hodder's phone number?'
1357
00:58:22,917 --> 00:58:24,197
I really like working with Kane.
1358
00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:26,462
He took the part so seriously,
1359
00:58:26,754 --> 00:58:28,881
and he knew everything
that Jason would or wouldn't do
1360
00:58:29,173 --> 00:58:31,050
so it made my job
an awful lot easier.
1361
00:58:31,342 --> 00:58:34,845
It was probably the hardest
makeup to work in,
1362
00:58:35,137 --> 00:58:37,682
and the least amount of days
that I was in the makeup.
1363
00:58:37,974 --> 00:58:41,143
We really wanted to go
with a sort of mutated,
1364
00:58:41,435 --> 00:58:44,605
diseased look where the head is
sort of diseased and misshapen.
1365
00:58:44,897 --> 00:58:46,399
A lot more sort of Elephant Man.
1366
00:58:46,691 --> 00:58:48,943
The hockey mask had been on
Jason so long
1367
00:58:49,235 --> 00:58:51,654
that the skin had grown
around it in theory.
1368
00:58:51,946 --> 00:58:53,656
The hard thing was not being
able to take the hockey mask off
1369
00:58:53,948 --> 00:58:55,700
between shots.
1370
00:58:55,992 --> 00:58:58,160
If you do something violent
and, you know,
1371
00:58:58,452 --> 00:59:01,205
with a lot of energy,
it takes your breath away.
1372
00:59:01,497 --> 00:59:01,998
You want to be able
to take that thing off
1373
00:59:02,289 --> 00:59:03,582
and catch your breath.
1374
00:59:03,874 --> 00:59:05,274
I couldn't take it off
between shots
1375
00:59:05,334 --> 00:59:07,878
so I had to catch my breath
1376
00:59:08,170 --> 00:59:10,047
while breathing
my own exhaled air.
1377
00:59:10,339 --> 00:59:12,717
Not easy to do at all.
1378
00:59:13,009 --> 00:59:16,137
He's very method,
and that's great for camera,
1379
00:59:16,429 --> 00:59:17,638
but boy, when you have to
work with him,
1380
00:59:17,930 --> 00:59:19,140
it can be very daunting
and in one scene,
1381
00:59:19,432 --> 00:59:21,225
he almost took my head off.
1382
00:59:21,517 --> 00:59:23,811
And I was supposed to run
and jump around the car.
1383
00:59:24,103 --> 00:59:26,543
I literally jumped over the car
because he scared me that bad.
1384
00:59:26,814 --> 00:59:28,614
And I remember coming back,
and I was shaking.
1385
00:59:28,649 --> 00:59:29,608
I was like,
'Don't ever do that again.
1386
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:30,985
Well, maybe one more time.
That was kind of good.
1387
00:59:31,277 --> 00:59:33,070
Was that good, Adam?'
1388
00:59:33,362 --> 00:59:36,032
Jason has been done away with
in so many different ways.
1389
00:59:36,323 --> 00:59:38,868
I mean, in previous movies,
you know, he was set on fire.
1390
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:40,703
Of course, he's shot
hundreds of times.
1391
00:59:40,995 --> 00:59:43,789
But blown up
in JASON GOES TO HELL?
1392
00:59:44,081 --> 00:59:45,916
I thought all that could have
been done to Jason had been done
1393
00:59:46,208 --> 00:59:48,169
but, lo and behold.
1394
00:59:48,461 --> 00:59:52,006
There are a lot of Jason fans
who to this day are, you know,
1395
00:59:52,298 --> 00:59:54,467
pissed off at me
for blowing up Jason
1396
00:59:54,759 --> 00:59:55,468
in the first ten minutes
of the movie.
1397
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:56,760
They love that scene
1398
00:59:56,927 --> 00:59:58,847
but then they want Jason
right back, right again.
1399
00:59:59,096 --> 01:00:00,723
And for me,
I thought it was more fun
1400
01:00:01,015 --> 01:00:02,600
to have Kane Hodder
actually in the film
1401
01:00:02,892 --> 01:00:04,435
making fun of Jason.
1402
01:00:04,727 --> 01:00:05,853
And he makes this comment
about himself
1403
01:00:06,145 --> 01:00:07,646
when basically he says
1404
01:00:07,938 --> 01:00:09,023
He wasn't nothing
but a big ol' pussy anyway.
1405
01:00:09,315 --> 01:00:12,443
And I love that. I love that!
1406
01:00:12,735 --> 01:00:14,445
Kane was a remarkable asset
to the film
1407
01:00:14,737 --> 01:00:17,782
because I wanted
all the other actors
1408
01:00:18,074 --> 01:00:19,784
who play the 'Jason Evil'
in the movie
1409
01:00:20,076 --> 01:00:21,516
to have that same
economy of movement
1410
01:00:21,619 --> 01:00:23,037
and that same language.
1411
01:00:23,329 --> 01:00:24,689
With not a single
teenage character
1412
01:00:24,955 --> 01:00:26,791
featured in the script,
1413
01:00:27,083 --> 01:00:30,294
Sean Cunningham called upon
an experienced ensemble
1414
01:00:30,586 --> 01:00:32,666
made up of recognizable faces
from network television
1415
01:00:32,922 --> 01:00:34,799
including Erin Gray,
1416
01:00:35,091 --> 01:00:37,968
Steven Williams
and John D. LeMay,
1417
01:00:38,260 --> 01:00:41,138
the only actor
to play the male lead
1418
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:42,431
in both the film and television
incarnations
1419
01:00:42,723 --> 01:00:45,476
of FRIDAY THE 13TH.
1420
01:00:45,768 --> 01:00:48,938
We cast John D. LeMay because
the director, Adam Marcus,
1421
01:00:49,230 --> 01:00:52,483
really felt comfortable
having him
1422
01:00:52,775 --> 01:00:54,318
because he knew him
from THE SERIES.
1423
01:00:54,610 --> 01:00:57,154
That was the reason
I didn't want him to do it.
1424
01:00:57,446 --> 01:00:59,046
I married the daughter
of Jason's sister.
1425
01:00:59,073 --> 01:01:01,450
Who knew?
1426
01:01:01,742 --> 01:01:03,828
But I'm happy to know
that I am related
1427
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,872
to such a cultural icon.
1428
01:01:07,164 --> 01:01:10,084
Tracked by mysterious bounty
hunter Creighton Duke,
1429
01:01:10,376 --> 01:01:13,170
it is revealed that Jason
is attempting to be reborn
1430
01:01:13,462 --> 01:01:15,840
through a never-before-mentioned
relative.
1431
01:01:16,132 --> 01:01:18,217
Thirteen years
and nine films later,
1432
01:01:18,509 --> 01:01:22,054
we learn that Jason Voorhees
had a sister.
1433
01:01:22,346 --> 01:01:24,306
The reasoning for another child
1434
01:01:24,598 --> 01:01:27,059
was that Pamela Voorhees
1435
01:01:27,351 --> 01:01:31,021
had had her daughter
out of wedlock.
1436
01:01:31,313 --> 01:01:33,774
And Jason became sort of
the jewel of her eye.
1437
01:01:34,066 --> 01:01:37,778
This was the only child
she cared about.
1438
01:01:38,070 --> 01:01:42,366
She fixated on this boy and sent
her daughter up for adoption.
1439
01:01:42,658 --> 01:01:43,738
That was the idea behind it.
1440
01:01:43,784 --> 01:01:45,786
I was the sister
to Jason Voorhees.
1441
01:01:46,078 --> 01:01:48,205
They needed somebody
who had the DNA,
1442
01:01:48,497 --> 01:01:49,832
and I guess it was me and then
my daughter, of course,
1443
01:01:50,124 --> 01:01:52,001
and my granddaughter.
1444
01:01:52,293 --> 01:01:54,712
I played Baby Stephanie
in JASON GOES TO HELL.
1445
01:01:55,004 --> 01:01:57,173
When I made the film,
I was about 6 months old.
1446
01:01:57,464 --> 01:01:59,344
I've little to no memory
about being in the film
1447
01:01:59,592 --> 01:02:00,926
considering I was so young
1448
01:02:01,218 --> 01:02:02,970
but when I got
a little bit older,
1449
01:02:03,262 --> 01:02:05,055
my parents broke the news to me
1450
01:02:05,347 --> 01:02:06,473
that I was in a horror film
1451
01:02:06,765 --> 01:02:09,143
Here's beautiful
1452
01:02:09,435 --> 01:02:12,563
And I wasn't allowed to watch
every scene, of course.
1453
01:02:12,855 --> 01:02:14,455
But I did watch the scenes
that I was in.
1454
01:02:14,690 --> 01:02:16,483
I was like,
'Oh my gosh, that's me.'
1455
01:02:16,775 --> 01:02:18,694
And it was just a really
crazy experience
1456
01:02:18,986 --> 01:02:20,279
to be able to watch myself.
1457
01:02:20,571 --> 01:02:22,531
I think the actors were amazing,
1458
01:02:22,823 --> 01:02:24,575
especially John LeMay
and Steven Williams
1459
01:02:24,867 --> 01:02:27,536
who was out of his mind
and brilliant.
1460
01:02:27,828 --> 01:02:30,915
The finger breaking scene was
one of my favorites actually.
1461
01:02:31,207 --> 01:02:33,647
Jason needs to be reborn again,
and he needs Jessica to do it.
1462
01:02:33,751 --> 01:02:36,086
Just because it was
so weird and twisted.
1463
01:02:36,378 --> 01:02:38,098
I mean, here's this guy
fondling my fingers.
1464
01:02:38,255 --> 01:02:41,008
Ooow! fuck!
1465
01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:42,593
Amazingly I was able to
still beat Jason up
1466
01:02:42,885 --> 01:02:45,930
at the end with my broken hand.
1467
01:02:46,222 --> 01:02:47,848
Everything about
JASON GOES TO HELL,
1468
01:02:48,140 --> 01:02:49,600
especially the scene
1469
01:02:49,892 --> 01:02:52,394
between Creighton Duke
and Steven Culp.
1470
01:02:52,686 --> 01:02:53,729
Robert: I want you to say
the first thing
1471
01:02:54,021 --> 01:02:54,563
that comes to your mind. Okay?
1472
01:02:54,855 --> 01:02:56,023
Creighton: Okay.
1473
01:02:56,315 --> 01:02:58,025
Robert: Jason Voorhees.
1474
01:02:58,317 --> 01:03:00,569
Creighton: Well, that makes me
think of a little girl
1475
01:03:00,861 --> 01:03:03,489
in a pink dress sticking
a hot dog through a donut.
1476
01:03:03,781 --> 01:03:05,616
It was always about,
1477
01:03:05,908 --> 01:03:07,368
'How can we
crack each other up?'
1478
01:03:07,660 --> 01:03:08,827
It was like two guys
on SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE
1479
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:10,246
trying to get the other guy
to laugh.
1480
01:03:10,537 --> 01:03:12,748
After an early test screening,
1481
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,250
New Line requested that several
new sequences be added
1482
01:03:14,541 --> 01:03:16,502
to the film,
1483
01:03:16,794 --> 01:03:18,794
including one that ranks
as one of the most violent
1484
01:03:19,046 --> 01:03:21,674
and graphic
in the series' history.
1485
01:03:21,966 --> 01:03:24,426
I play a camper named Luke
who's going camping
1486
01:03:24,718 --> 01:03:25,970
with two beautiful ladies.
1487
01:03:26,262 --> 01:03:26,720
Luke: We're going to
Camp Crystal Lake.
1488
01:03:27,012 --> 01:03:28,597
Steven: Oh yeah?
1489
01:03:28,889 --> 01:03:30,516
Planning on smoking
a little dope,
1490
01:03:30,808 --> 01:03:33,978
having a little premarital sex,
and getting slaughtered?
1491
01:03:34,270 --> 01:03:37,064
The murder
of the couple in the tent
1492
01:03:37,356 --> 01:03:40,818
was something that we shot
after the film had wrapped.
1493
01:03:41,110 --> 01:03:43,070
I was petitioning to have
both ladies in the tent.
1494
01:03:43,153 --> 01:03:44,196
I thought it would be fun.
Why not?
1495
01:03:44,488 --> 01:03:46,615
And it was one of those
sequences
1496
01:03:46,907 --> 01:03:49,535
where they felt they needed
a really violent kill
1497
01:03:49,827 --> 01:03:51,328
that had a lot of impact.
1498
01:03:51,620 --> 01:03:53,330
So we started our scene with
these kids
1499
01:03:53,622 --> 01:03:55,207
who are pretty lit up.
1500
01:03:55,499 --> 01:03:56,959
They'd been skinny dipping.
1501
01:03:57,251 --> 01:03:59,962
The run into the scene,
they go to have sex
1502
01:04:00,254 --> 01:04:04,717
and what happens is they choose
not to use a condom.
1503
01:04:05,009 --> 01:04:06,844
Oh, God, Debbie,
I hate these things.
1504
01:04:07,136 --> 01:04:10,097
And when the killer
steps on that condom wrapper,
1505
01:04:10,389 --> 01:04:12,349
on that unused condom,
1506
01:04:12,641 --> 01:04:13,100
the audience
went out of their minds.
1507
01:04:13,392 --> 01:04:16,312
Every screening.
1508
01:04:16,603 --> 01:04:19,106
For actress Michelle Clunie,
1509
01:04:19,398 --> 01:04:21,358
later known for her role in the
groundbreaking television series
1510
01:04:21,650 --> 01:04:23,652
QUEER AS FOLK,
1511
01:04:23,944 --> 01:04:25,824
the scene put her in a
compromising situation...
1512
01:04:26,113 --> 01:04:28,907
In more ways than one.
1513
01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:32,745
Michelle and he had been dating
and had broken up
1514
01:04:33,037 --> 01:04:35,664
right before we shot that scene.
1515
01:04:35,956 --> 01:04:37,796
And then we showed up on set
and there we were,
1516
01:04:37,916 --> 01:04:39,335
naked together
for a couple days.
1517
01:04:39,626 --> 01:04:41,712
So she had to do
this huge love scene
1518
01:04:42,004 --> 01:04:45,007
with her ex-boyfriend, and they
were both completely nude.
1519
01:04:45,299 --> 01:04:46,842
You're on a mattress
on the floor,
1520
01:04:47,134 --> 01:04:50,095
inside a fake tent
with all these guys around,
1521
01:04:50,387 --> 01:04:52,587
and you've got to sort of
create some sort of chemistry,
1522
01:04:52,681 --> 01:04:54,141
some sort of intimacy
between you
1523
01:04:54,433 --> 01:04:55,753
which doesn't feel natural
at all.
1524
01:04:55,976 --> 01:04:57,519
And then when they
finally kill her,
1525
01:04:57,811 --> 01:05:00,022
they put this fake Clunie
on top of me.
1526
01:05:00,314 --> 01:05:02,524
Michelle came up to K.N.B.,
1527
01:05:02,816 --> 01:05:07,404
and we actually cast her
in that position.
1528
01:05:07,696 --> 01:05:09,740
She's on top of the guy
and they're having sex,
1529
01:05:10,032 --> 01:05:12,409
and, all of a sudden,
out of the middle of her chest,
1530
01:05:12,701 --> 01:05:14,036
the road sign pops out
and blood sprays everywhere.
1531
01:05:14,328 --> 01:05:16,580
(screams)
1532
01:05:16,872 --> 01:05:19,458
Oh shit!
1533
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:21,126
And then it's torn
through her shoulder blade
1534
01:05:21,418 --> 01:05:24,088
where she flops open.
1535
01:05:24,380 --> 01:05:27,966
And it was the second dummy
that had been already pre-cut
1536
01:05:28,258 --> 01:05:30,552
with the torso cut in half,
1537
01:05:30,844 --> 01:05:32,679
and it had a little mechanism
in it
1538
01:05:32,971 --> 01:05:34,765
so that it could sort of
flower open.
1539
01:05:35,057 --> 01:05:36,141
And they're spraying blood at me
with a fire extinguisher,
1540
01:05:36,433 --> 01:05:38,769
I remember.
1541
01:05:39,061 --> 01:05:40,187
It's a little sad that today
that probably would have been
1542
01:05:40,479 --> 01:05:41,605
a digital shot
of the thing coming out,
1543
01:05:41,897 --> 01:05:43,177
and they would have animated it.
1544
01:05:43,232 --> 01:05:45,109
Richard Gant
who was playing Jason
1545
01:05:45,401 --> 01:05:47,903
was supposed to at some point
crush my head.
1546
01:05:48,195 --> 01:05:50,697
And I think that they ran out
of time and money,
1547
01:05:50,989 --> 01:05:53,283
and they, and so they didn't
build a cast of my head.
1548
01:05:53,575 --> 01:05:56,578
And they cut out right as his
head's coming down, I think,
1549
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:58,372
and they cut to an exterior of,
1550
01:05:58,664 --> 01:05:59,665
and we hear me screaming
and then crush.
1551
01:05:59,957 --> 01:06:02,418
[Off screen screaming]
1552
01:06:02,709 --> 01:06:05,212
Unsafe sex equals death,
I was totally cool with.
1553
01:06:05,504 --> 01:06:06,797
What was amazing about that
1554
01:06:07,089 --> 01:06:08,507
was that
the Wall Street Journal,
1555
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:10,634
when they talked about
JASON GOES TO HELL,
1556
01:06:10,926 --> 01:06:13,887
they called the film
a return to morality in cinema
1557
01:06:14,179 --> 01:06:16,557
because of that scene.
1558
01:06:16,849 --> 01:06:20,269
The thing about Adam Marcus
was he was really behind,
1559
01:06:20,561 --> 01:06:24,314
100% behind shooting every gag
to its fullest.
1560
01:06:24,606 --> 01:06:28,610
[sounds of sharpening blade]
1561
01:06:28,902 --> 01:06:31,989
The reason for the homoerotic
shaving scene
1562
01:06:32,281 --> 01:06:35,701
in JASON GOES TO HELL
was that I knew 15 years later
1563
01:06:35,993 --> 01:06:37,828
everybody would be asking me
1564
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,956
about the homoerotic shaving
scene in JASON GOES TO HELL.
1565
01:06:41,248 --> 01:06:43,459
Again, I found these movies
to be really pretty sexist.
1566
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:45,294
It's always women in the shower
1567
01:06:45,586 --> 01:06:48,547
soaping up just before
they get whacked.
1568
01:06:48,839 --> 01:06:50,424
And I thought, 'You know what?
1569
01:06:50,716 --> 01:06:52,759
I'm going to make
the first one of these
1570
01:06:53,051 --> 01:06:56,638
where there's as many naked men
as there are naked women.
1571
01:06:56,930 --> 01:06:58,770
Let's even the score.
Something for the ladies.
1572
01:06:59,016 --> 01:07:01,018
Not only is it homoerotic,
1573
01:07:01,310 --> 01:07:05,981
but I have a middle-aged guy
naked on the table.
1574
01:07:06,273 --> 01:07:08,066
I don't have Brad Pitt
on the table.
1575
01:07:08,358 --> 01:07:12,988
I have an interracial kiss
at the end of the scene.
1576
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,033
I mean, everything about it
was a taboo.
1577
01:07:16,325 --> 01:07:18,911
There's not a scene like it
in any other Jason movie
1578
01:07:19,203 --> 01:07:22,289
or really in any other movie
I can think of.
1579
01:07:22,581 --> 01:07:23,707
I don't know if that's good
or bad but
1580
01:07:23,999 --> 01:07:26,710
Filming my death scene
was lots of fun.
1581
01:07:27,002 --> 01:07:29,505
I remember in acting class,
1582
01:07:29,796 --> 01:07:31,715
I was good at being dead,
1583
01:07:32,007 --> 01:07:34,551
so I was able to bring that
to FRIDAY THE 13TH.
1584
01:07:34,843 --> 01:07:37,846
And it was kind of fun going to
work with a knife in my back
1585
01:07:38,138 --> 01:07:41,350
and pretending...
l've been killed.
1586
01:07:41,642 --> 01:07:43,977
[screaming]
1587
01:07:44,269 --> 01:07:45,771
In Joey B's restaurant,
1588
01:07:46,063 --> 01:07:47,898
the carnage was fabulous.
1589
01:07:48,190 --> 01:07:49,775
Bodies everywhere.
1590
01:07:50,067 --> 01:07:52,236
It was really bloody
and violent.
1591
01:07:52,528 --> 01:07:54,988
I just loved watching
Rusty work.
1592
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,825
She was great at improving...
1593
01:07:59,117 --> 01:08:00,827
This makes a whole new patty,
hence,
1594
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:02,454
the two-for-one burger sale.
1595
01:08:02,746 --> 01:08:04,289
And every time
she was in a scene,
1596
01:08:04,581 --> 01:08:06,041
I was just mesmerized by her.
1597
01:08:06,333 --> 01:08:09,503
When I have my gun
on John and Kari
1598
01:08:09,795 --> 01:08:12,548
defending the baby, the line was
1599
01:08:12,839 --> 01:08:13,549
'Nobody's going to touch
that baby, '
1600
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:15,926
but I decided to say...
1601
01:08:16,218 --> 01:08:17,469
Nobody's gonna touch that
fuckin' ray of sunshine!
1602
01:08:17,761 --> 01:08:19,429
In Rusty Schwimmer's case,
1603
01:08:19,721 --> 01:08:21,056
she got punched in the face.
1604
01:08:21,348 --> 01:08:24,893
Poor Leslie.
He got dumped in a fry vat.
1605
01:08:25,185 --> 01:08:29,856
And I know from friends
that there was a big cheer
1606
01:08:30,148 --> 01:08:32,693
that let up when I was punched
in the face
1607
01:08:32,985 --> 01:08:34,570
because they wanted me
to shut up.
1608
01:08:34,861 --> 01:08:38,448
In an attempt to finally
subvert the MPAA,
1609
01:08:38,740 --> 01:08:40,909
the filmmakers planned to
release JASON GOES TO HELL
1610
01:08:41,201 --> 01:08:43,745
as both an R-rated
theatrical cut
1611
01:08:44,037 --> 01:08:46,123
and an unrated
home video version.
1612
01:08:46,415 --> 01:08:49,251
This allowed the K.N.B.
Effects team
1613
01:08:49,543 --> 01:08:51,461
the freedom to create
some of the bloodiest
1614
01:08:51,753 --> 01:08:53,880
and most over-the-top gags
ever attempted
1615
01:08:54,172 --> 01:08:55,757
in a FRIDAY THE 13TH film.
1616
01:08:56,049 --> 01:08:57,509
As a horror film back then,
1617
01:08:57,801 --> 01:09:00,053
you always went in
pretty gore-heavy
1618
01:09:00,345 --> 01:09:01,722
expecting to be cut back.
1619
01:09:02,014 --> 01:09:03,515
I think that
the whole point was,
1620
01:09:03,807 --> 01:09:04,967
throw all that stuff in there
1621
01:09:05,225 --> 01:09:07,311
and then go to the ratings
board,
1622
01:09:07,603 --> 01:09:09,021
and if we can't get it, then
we'll do the unrated version
1623
01:09:09,313 --> 01:09:10,753
and give the audience
what they want.
1624
01:09:10,939 --> 01:09:12,649
Eventually, of course,
1625
01:09:12,941 --> 01:09:15,736
the evil gets back
into the body of a Voorhees.
1626
01:09:16,028 --> 01:09:18,030
Steven: That part about
being reborn
1627
01:09:18,322 --> 01:09:18,822
through a Voorhees woman, does
it have to be a living woman?
1628
01:09:19,114 --> 01:09:21,325
Duke: No.
1629
01:09:21,617 --> 01:09:22,618
Steven: That thing's in the
basement with Jessica's mother.
1630
01:09:22,909 --> 01:09:26,163
And Jason is reborn into his
hulking magnificent form.
1631
01:09:26,455 --> 01:09:28,832
Jason's rebirth may have
thrilled fans,
1632
01:09:29,124 --> 01:09:31,251
but it did not sit as well
with actress Erin Gray,
1633
01:09:31,543 --> 01:09:33,795
who was not present when an
insert shot
1634
01:09:34,087 --> 01:09:36,757
was added to the film
at the last minute.
1635
01:09:37,049 --> 01:09:39,926
The first time that I was made
aware of this scene
1636
01:09:40,218 --> 01:09:41,498
was actually
in the movie theater
1637
01:09:41,678 --> 01:09:45,307
when I saw it,
and I gasped loudly.
1638
01:09:45,599 --> 01:09:47,225
I just thought it was
inappropriate.
1639
01:09:47,517 --> 01:09:48,727
It was not something that I
would have agreed to.
1640
01:09:49,019 --> 01:09:50,604
I actually felt violated.
1641
01:09:50,896 --> 01:09:53,065
It's the one thing in any scene,
1642
01:09:53,357 --> 01:09:54,733
in any movie that I've done
1643
01:09:55,025 --> 01:09:57,027
that I just find
very distasteful,
1644
01:09:57,319 --> 01:09:58,639
although I've forgiven
Sean since.
1645
01:09:58,695 --> 01:10:01,073
I do love Sean personally.
1646
01:10:01,365 --> 01:10:02,991
The truth is,
what I was trying to do
1647
01:10:03,283 --> 01:10:06,411
was use Jason,
the figure of Jason,
1648
01:10:06,703 --> 01:10:08,955
as almost a prize
for the audience.
1649
01:10:09,247 --> 01:10:09,915
Duke: Tonight, my friend...
1650
01:10:10,207 --> 01:10:11,541
You will...
1651
01:10:11,833 --> 01:10:12,459
Steven: Jessica!
Duke: Die!
1652
01:10:12,751 --> 01:10:13,960
[bone snapping]
1653
01:10:14,252 --> 01:10:15,962
Bringing him back at the end,
1654
01:10:16,254 --> 01:10:22,135
I wanted it to feel like your
friend came back into the movie.
1655
01:10:22,427 --> 01:10:25,722
John's character took a
tremendous amount of abuse.
1656
01:10:26,014 --> 01:10:28,433
We had a helluva fight
out in the front of the house.
1657
01:10:28,725 --> 01:10:30,394
I did put up a pretty
good fight.
1658
01:10:30,686 --> 01:10:33,105
I take great pride
in my backhand to Jason
1659
01:10:33,397 --> 01:10:35,816
at the very end of the film.
1660
01:10:36,108 --> 01:10:36,733
And, by the way,
you might not know this.
1661
01:10:37,025 --> 01:10:38,610
I'm Jason.
1662
01:10:38,902 --> 01:10:39,277
All of Jason's vocals,
that's me.
1663
01:10:39,569 --> 01:10:47,569
Because I work cheap.
1664
01:10:48,995 --> 01:10:50,205
Kari's character
was fairly tough too.
1665
01:10:50,497 --> 01:10:52,457
Unfortunately,
I didn't get to fight her
1666
01:10:52,749 --> 01:10:54,543
as much as I would like,
1667
01:10:54,835 --> 01:10:56,670
but we still had some
good scenes
1668
01:10:56,962 --> 01:10:58,672
where she stabbed me
with the knife and everything.
1669
01:10:58,964 --> 01:11:00,424
Interestingly enough,
at the end of the movie,
1670
01:11:00,716 --> 01:11:04,511
it was always scripted as a
big, lightning-filled climax
1671
01:11:04,803 --> 01:11:07,389
with the skies opening up
and all this celestial activity.
1672
01:11:07,681 --> 01:11:09,516
K.N.B. had a very
elaborate sequence
1673
01:11:09,808 --> 01:11:11,528
designed for that
with all kinds of puppets,
1674
01:11:11,810 --> 01:11:13,603
and we had a very elaborate
miniature
1675
01:11:13,895 --> 01:11:15,897
which wound up not being used
because of technical problems.
1676
01:11:16,189 --> 01:11:18,358
These branches or these roots
of these trees
1677
01:11:18,650 --> 01:11:21,153
were supposed to suck Jason
down into hell.
1678
01:11:21,445 --> 01:11:23,905
And we were all underneath the
table puppetering these things.
1679
01:11:24,197 --> 01:11:25,917
And they were going to do
these aerial shots
1680
01:11:25,991 --> 01:11:28,702
and big camera moves
going around the two of us
1681
01:11:28,994 --> 01:11:30,787
as we squared off.
1682
01:11:31,079 --> 01:11:32,622
Originally there was one
extra creature at the end
1683
01:11:32,914 --> 01:11:35,000
which was a demon baby
1684
01:11:35,292 --> 01:11:39,755
that they had, I believe,
an amputee in a prosthetic suit
1685
01:11:40,046 --> 01:11:41,715
that had a big long tail and
1686
01:11:42,007 --> 01:11:43,884
ultimately that wound up being
excised.
1687
01:11:44,176 --> 01:11:47,554
This is my doll that
Bob Kurtzman gave me
1688
01:11:47,846 --> 01:11:49,765
after the shoot.
1689
01:11:50,056 --> 01:11:53,101
They didn't use it so yeah,
a little keepsake for me.
1690
01:11:53,393 --> 01:11:56,146
But there was one parting shot
yet to come.
1691
01:11:56,438 --> 01:11:58,732
One that would set the stage
1692
01:11:59,024 --> 01:12:01,735
for Jason's long-anticipated
face-off
1693
01:12:02,027 --> 01:12:05,071
with A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET'S
Freddy Krueger.
1694
01:12:05,363 --> 01:12:07,324
I suddenly said, 'Wait a second.
1695
01:12:07,616 --> 01:12:09,618
We've got a chance for the
ultimate in-joke in this movie.
1696
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:11,036
We're with New Line.
1697
01:12:11,328 --> 01:12:12,871
New Line owns Freddy.
1698
01:12:13,163 --> 01:12:14,998
'What are we doing?
1699
01:12:15,290 --> 01:12:16,166
Like, that's the end
of our movie.'
1700
01:12:16,458 --> 01:12:18,835
And they fell in love
with the idea.
1701
01:12:19,127 --> 01:12:22,047
I mean, it was like instantly,
'Oh my God, that's great.'
1702
01:12:22,339 --> 01:12:23,507
In the end where Freddy's hand
comes out of the ground
1703
01:12:23,799 --> 01:12:25,133
and grabs the hockey mask,
1704
01:12:25,425 --> 01:12:26,985
it was my hand
wearing the Freddy glove,
1705
01:12:27,177 --> 01:12:29,179
grabbing the mask.
1706
01:12:29,471 --> 01:12:33,183
And this is your final chance...
to see it!
1707
01:12:33,475 --> 01:12:36,812
JASON GOES TO HELL
THE FINAL FRIDAY
1708
01:12:37,103 --> 01:12:40,273
opened on
Friday, August 13, 1993
1709
01:12:40,565 --> 01:12:43,735
to a respectable $7.5 million
in its opening weekend.
1710
01:12:44,027 --> 01:12:46,988
To this day, JASON GOES TO HELL
1711
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:48,698
remains one of the most
hotly-debated installments
1712
01:12:48,990 --> 01:12:51,201
of the series.
1713
01:12:51,493 --> 01:12:56,456
And once again, THE FINAL FRIDAY
wasn't final after all.
1714
01:12:56,748 --> 01:12:58,375
We were trying to do
something different.
1715
01:12:58,667 --> 01:13:01,503
Some people really like it for
that and forgive its faults.
1716
01:13:01,795 --> 01:13:04,297
Other people only see it for
its faults and, you know,
1717
01:13:04,589 --> 01:13:05,715
say there should be all Jason
all the time.
1718
01:13:06,007 --> 01:13:07,884
Jason has to be in the film.
1719
01:13:08,176 --> 01:13:10,887
I think that was one of the
biggest let-down for the fans.
1720
01:13:11,179 --> 01:13:15,058
It's possible that the concept
jumped the shark on some level.
1721
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:16,059
At the time they were trying to
reinvent and figure out
1722
01:13:16,351 --> 01:13:18,520
how to keep the franchise going,
1723
01:13:18,812 --> 01:13:19,646
and how to keep people
interested.
1724
01:13:19,938 --> 01:13:21,273
So I respect that.
1725
01:13:21,565 --> 01:13:23,149
I think we did something
that was bold.
1726
01:13:23,441 --> 01:13:25,569
I know there are people
who are upset by that,
1727
01:13:25,861 --> 01:13:28,113
but my response to that has
always been, 'You know what?
1728
01:13:28,405 --> 01:13:30,490
There are 7 of those movies
you can rent.
1729
01:13:30,782 --> 01:13:32,862
You can see a whole lot of Jason
in the hockey mask.'
1730
01:13:32,909 --> 01:13:34,452
You have to deliver
a certain story,
1731
01:13:34,744 --> 01:13:36,580
and that story
had better be consistent
1732
01:13:36,872 --> 01:13:39,040
with the ones that preceded it,
1733
01:13:39,332 --> 01:13:42,752
and Jason better be consistent
with what happened beforehand.
1734
01:13:43,044 --> 01:13:44,804
So this is not a place
where you want to say,
1735
01:13:44,838 --> 01:13:46,214
'l've got an idea.
1736
01:13:46,506 --> 01:13:47,966
Let's have Jason do
body swapping.'
1737
01:13:48,258 --> 01:13:50,427
Not so good.
1738
01:13:50,719 --> 01:13:51,928
The Jason audience
is a smart audience.
1739
01:13:52,220 --> 01:13:54,014
Not just about Jason movies,
1740
01:13:54,306 --> 01:13:56,141
which they will quote you
chapter and verse.
1741
01:13:56,433 --> 01:13:57,893
They know more about my movie
than I know about it.
1742
01:13:58,184 --> 01:13:59,978
The truth is, true horror fans
1743
01:14:00,270 --> 01:14:02,564
know every genre of cinema,
1744
01:14:02,856 --> 01:14:05,137
they just happen to know horror
better than anything else.
1745
01:14:05,233 --> 01:14:07,277
Yes, are they going to
blog incessantly
1746
01:14:07,569 --> 01:14:09,404
about the color
of someone's suit? Sure.
1747
01:14:09,696 --> 01:14:12,365
But ultimately, for me,
1748
01:14:12,657 --> 01:14:14,326
every time I see somebody
blogging
1749
01:14:14,618 --> 01:14:16,538
about JASON GOES TO HELL
or about, quite frankly,
1750
01:14:16,828 --> 01:14:18,455
about any of
the FRIDAY THE 13TH films,
1751
01:14:18,747 --> 01:14:21,750
I feel really lucky
that they care enough
1752
01:14:22,042 --> 01:14:23,919
to actually spend the time
and energy
1753
01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:26,254
talking about this character.
1754
01:14:26,546 --> 01:14:31,426
For me, I really learned to
always respect every audience.
1755
01:14:31,718 --> 01:14:33,261
And I think that's probably the
most important thing I learned
1756
01:14:33,553 --> 01:14:38,553
from Jason.
1757
01:14:48,652 --> 01:14:51,529
Following the crowd-pleasing
coda of JASON GOES TO HELL,
1758
01:14:51,821 --> 01:14:53,865
it appeared that
the long-anticipated showdown
1759
01:14:54,157 --> 01:14:55,825
between Jason and Freddy
1760
01:14:56,117 --> 01:14:58,828
was finally about to become
a reality.
1761
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:02,040
But as the project remained
stalled at New Line Cinema
1762
01:15:02,332 --> 01:15:04,250
throughout the 1990s,
1763
01:15:04,542 --> 01:15:08,380
Sean Cunningham decided to
give fans one more FRIDAY.
1764
01:15:08,672 --> 01:15:11,091
We had been in development hell
1765
01:15:11,383 --> 01:15:13,468
on FREDDY VS. JASON for years,
1766
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,262
and finally Jim Isaac,
1767
01:15:16,554 --> 01:15:18,848
who's the director of JASON X,
said, 'Well,
1768
01:15:19,140 --> 01:15:20,725
if we're just waiting
on FREDDY/JASON,
1769
01:15:21,017 --> 01:15:22,435
let's just make another
Jason film.'
1770
01:15:22,727 --> 01:15:25,814
So Todd Farmer,
Jimmy and I sat down
1771
01:15:26,106 --> 01:15:30,276
and just started coming up
with ideas for a new Jason.
1772
01:15:30,568 --> 01:15:32,153
We didn't want to do anything
that was going to screw
1773
01:15:32,445 --> 01:15:34,447
FREDDY VS. JASON.
1774
01:15:34,739 --> 01:15:35,448
So the way to stay away from
that was to push him
1775
01:15:35,740 --> 01:15:37,575
into the future.
1776
01:15:37,867 --> 01:15:39,160
I mean, that was just kind
of thrown out as kind of
1777
01:15:39,452 --> 01:15:41,663
like a gag at first
1778
01:15:41,955 --> 01:15:43,498
because that's, you know, that's
where horror films go to die,
1779
01:15:43,790 --> 01:15:47,168
like LEPRECHAUN or HELLRAISER,
l guess.
1780
01:15:47,460 --> 01:15:49,963
You know, space is kind
of the final frontier.
1781
01:15:50,255 --> 01:15:52,215
Armed with a budget
of $13 million,
1782
01:15:52,507 --> 01:15:55,135
Isaac took his team to Toronto
1783
01:15:55,427 --> 01:15:59,806
and set out to make the most
ambitious FRIDAY THE 13TH yet.
1784
01:16:00,098 --> 01:16:04,352
JASON X takes place
400 years in the future.
1785
01:16:04,644 --> 01:16:07,856
Jason has been captured by
the military,
1786
01:16:08,148 --> 01:16:10,817
and they really don't know
what to do with him.
1787
01:16:11,109 --> 01:16:12,861
There's somebody in charge
of the operation
1788
01:16:13,153 --> 01:16:18,533
who thinks
that he should be rozen.
1789
01:16:18,825 --> 01:16:21,305
The high ranking official comes
in, played by David Cronenberg,
1790
01:16:21,536 --> 01:16:24,539
and says, 'No, we're not going
to freeze him today as planned.
1791
01:16:24,831 --> 01:16:26,249
We're going to take him away
and study him.'
1792
01:16:26,541 --> 01:16:29,335
His unique ability
1793
01:16:29,627 --> 01:16:31,504
to regenerate
lost and damaged tissue,
1794
01:16:31,796 --> 01:16:33,965
it just cries out
for more research.
1795
01:16:34,257 --> 01:16:36,426
David Cronenberg
supplied a lot of his own crew
1796
01:16:36,718 --> 01:16:38,970
for Jim Isaac.
1797
01:16:39,262 --> 01:16:41,514
Our first AD was,
you know, David's AD.
1798
01:16:41,806 --> 01:16:43,641
Stephan Dupris,
who I've worked for years
1799
01:16:43,933 --> 01:16:45,852
Who did NAKED LUNCH.
1800
01:16:46,144 --> 01:16:47,228
He's got an Academy Award
for THE FLY
1801
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,105
and a lot of
David Cronenberg films.
1802
01:16:49,397 --> 01:16:50,398
He's an amazing makeup effects
artist.
1803
01:16:50,690 --> 01:16:53,234
The rumor going around
set was Cronenberg
1804
01:16:53,526 --> 01:16:55,807
wanted to be in the movie
only if he got killed on camera.
1805
01:16:55,945 --> 01:16:57,739
That was the deal.
1806
01:16:58,031 --> 01:17:00,283
They dropped their guard a bit
and, of course,
1807
01:17:00,575 --> 01:17:01,855
Jason gets free
and creates havoc
1808
01:17:02,118 --> 01:17:04,162
but ends up
getting frozen anyway.
1809
01:17:04,454 --> 01:17:07,749
In the future, earth has been
completely destroyed.
1810
01:17:08,041 --> 01:17:09,667
It's a wasteland.
1811
01:17:09,959 --> 01:17:12,879
And a group of science students,
kind of loser kids,
1812
01:17:13,171 --> 01:17:14,881
go on this field trip.
1813
01:17:15,173 --> 01:17:17,967
We arrive doing some archeology
1814
01:17:18,259 --> 01:17:21,054
and discover
a frozen Jason Voorhees,
1815
01:17:21,346 --> 01:17:23,598
and we don't know
what trouble we're in for,
1816
01:17:23,890 --> 01:17:25,266
but of course the audience does.
1817
01:17:25,558 --> 01:17:27,852
Really it came down to,
you know,
1818
01:17:28,144 --> 01:17:32,398
kids basically having sex
or drugs are going to die.
1819
01:17:32,690 --> 01:17:35,276
Even four hundred years
in the future,
1820
01:17:35,568 --> 01:17:39,322
neither Jason, nor his appetite
for sex-crazed victims,
1821
01:17:39,614 --> 01:17:41,491
has evolved.
1822
01:17:41,783 --> 01:17:43,223
I think in the future
maybe teenagers
1823
01:17:43,493 --> 01:17:46,621
are a little more sexual.
1824
01:17:46,913 --> 01:17:49,833
Of course, some wonderful
devices that I get to use
1825
01:17:50,125 --> 01:17:51,485
for such things
as nipple tweaking.
1826
01:17:51,751 --> 01:17:54,170
So, yeah, it's all in there.
1827
01:17:54,462 --> 01:17:56,047
It's all in the curriculum.
1828
01:17:56,339 --> 01:17:59,384
The easiest, most fun work
you can get as an actor
1829
01:17:59,676 --> 01:18:02,804
because you're basically
just running from a monster
1830
01:18:03,096 --> 01:18:05,849
until he catches up with you
and kills you
1831
01:18:06,141 --> 01:18:07,142
and hopefully you get to
make outwith a hot chick
1832
01:18:07,433 --> 01:18:08,560
along the way.
1833
01:18:08,852 --> 01:18:11,646
Which is one of the things
that somehow
1834
01:18:11,938 --> 01:18:15,567
manages to sort of stir Jason's
soul and re-awaken him.
1835
01:18:15,859 --> 01:18:18,019
Certainly the way it's edited,
it kind of implies that,
1836
01:18:18,194 --> 01:18:19,834
that it was just too much
for him to take,
1837
01:18:19,988 --> 01:18:21,781
and he just had to rise up
and put a stop
1838
01:18:22,073 --> 01:18:23,700
to all this crazy teenage love.
1839
01:18:23,992 --> 01:18:25,869
One of the important things
in a Jason FRIDAY THE 13TH film
1840
01:18:26,161 --> 01:18:28,163
is to be true
to Jason's character.
1841
01:18:28,454 --> 01:18:30,999
I think that's where
Kane comes in.
1842
01:18:31,291 --> 01:18:35,253
My first impression of the
script of JASON X was like,
1843
01:18:35,545 --> 01:18:37,881
'I don't know. Jason in space?'
1844
01:18:38,173 --> 01:18:39,007
I didn't want to make it hokey.
1845
01:18:39,299 --> 01:18:41,718
He took it seriously.
1846
01:18:42,010 --> 01:18:44,429
He took playing Jason
very, very seriously.
1847
01:18:44,721 --> 01:18:46,281
Even though the location
and everything,
1848
01:18:46,472 --> 01:18:47,098
all the surroundings,
were different,
1849
01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:50,059
I just tried to keep him
the same
1850
01:18:50,351 --> 01:18:51,477
as I had always done before
and I guess, you know,
1851
01:18:51,769 --> 01:18:53,396
it worked out.
1852
01:18:53,688 --> 01:18:55,064
He definitely made sure that we
were all kind of a little bit,
1853
01:18:55,356 --> 01:18:58,568
sort of like intimidated by him.
1854
01:18:58,860 --> 01:19:01,946
I think he had a tattoo that
said 'Kill' in his lower lip.
1855
01:19:02,238 --> 01:19:03,031
I think he definitely goes
to a dark place
1856
01:19:03,323 --> 01:19:04,824
when he plays the role.
1857
01:19:05,116 --> 01:19:07,202
He was also very safe
when we were, you know,
1858
01:19:07,493 --> 01:19:08,995
when we were struggling.
1859
01:19:09,287 --> 01:19:11,873
He made sure that we worked out
how he was going to hold me
1860
01:19:12,165 --> 01:19:13,499
so that I could fight
without actually getting hurt.
1861
01:19:13,791 --> 01:19:17,378
I did my own stunt when he
threw me against the window.
1862
01:19:17,670 --> 01:19:19,005
Which I thought was great
because, you know,
1863
01:19:19,297 --> 01:19:22,550
sticking a girl's head
in cryogenic fluid
1864
01:19:22,842 --> 01:19:26,638
and smashed it on the counter.
Very creative.
1865
01:19:26,930 --> 01:19:30,225
I had to plunge my face
into water and scream
1866
01:19:30,516 --> 01:19:33,853
and then hold my breath
and just wait
1867
01:19:34,145 --> 01:19:35,146
because then they
ended up putting, you know,
1868
01:19:35,438 --> 01:19:36,898
all the CGI over the top.
1869
01:19:37,190 --> 01:19:38,590
Technically
our most difficult kill.
1870
01:19:38,816 --> 01:19:41,277
And we spent a lot of time
on that, prepping it.
1871
01:19:41,569 --> 01:19:43,029
I think they made 10 heads,
1872
01:19:43,321 --> 01:19:45,240
but it was really,
really creepy.
1873
01:19:45,531 --> 01:19:48,534
All these heads lined up of,
you know, me screaming.
1874
01:19:48,826 --> 01:19:52,080
L've never seen a crew
and a cast gather for an event
1875
01:19:52,372 --> 01:19:53,831
just to watch that effect.
1876
01:19:54,123 --> 01:19:56,918
Everybody just thought
that was a great one.
1877
01:19:57,210 --> 01:19:59,254
We knew from way back then that
that was going to be a good kill
1878
01:19:59,545 --> 01:20:01,881
and it stands the test of time.
1879
01:20:02,173 --> 01:20:07,136
Apparently MYTHBUSTERS
a few years ago tested my death
1880
01:20:07,428 --> 01:20:10,515
to see if they could actually
freeze a head in liquid nitrogen
1881
01:20:10,807 --> 01:20:12,558
and then smash it.
1882
01:20:12,850 --> 01:20:14,602
Guy: Absolutely nothing
like the movie.
1883
01:20:14,894 --> 01:20:15,353
Girl: So I guess this
one's busted.
1884
01:20:15,645 --> 01:20:18,564
Originally in the script
1885
01:20:18,856 --> 01:20:20,024
my death scene was going to be
that he was going to somehow
1886
01:20:20,316 --> 01:20:23,194
use the sliding doors
to cut me in half,
1887
01:20:23,486 --> 01:20:26,406
and I was really stoked
about that happening.
1888
01:20:26,698 --> 01:20:29,033
I was really looking forward
to them doing that.
1889
01:20:29,325 --> 01:20:32,412
And then I guess they thought it
would be a little too difficult
1890
01:20:32,704 --> 01:20:36,499
to do and so they switched it
to the machete blade.
1891
01:20:36,791 --> 01:20:38,376
Melanie's reaction
to me being killed,
1892
01:20:38,668 --> 01:20:40,211
they squirt out my blood.
1893
01:20:40,503 --> 01:20:43,131
It shoots up and hits her right
in the eyes,
1894
01:20:43,423 --> 01:20:45,383
and she just freaks out
because it wasn't actually
1895
01:20:45,508 --> 01:20:46,948
supposed to go in her eyes
like that,
1896
01:20:47,010 --> 01:20:48,177
and I think that's the shot
they ended up using,
1897
01:20:48,469 --> 01:20:50,138
so I kind of get a chuckle
when I watch that scene.
1898
01:20:50,430 --> 01:20:52,890
JASON X has some good kills,
I think.
1899
01:20:53,182 --> 01:20:55,435
I think we did a pretty good job
of that.
1900
01:20:55,727 --> 01:20:57,145
You had different elements
as well.
1901
01:20:57,437 --> 01:20:59,605
You had this sort of
super SWAT team
1902
01:20:59,897 --> 01:21:01,691
that was out to get Jason.
1903
01:21:01,983 --> 01:21:03,818
You had hologram games.
1904
01:21:04,110 --> 01:21:04,736
I thought this was an alien sim?
1905
01:21:05,028 --> 01:21:06,571
Yeah, it is.
1906
01:21:06,863 --> 01:21:09,991
This was my tiny cameo
in JASON X,
1907
01:21:10,283 --> 01:21:13,536
and I get the privilege,
myself and Dov get the privilege
1908
01:21:13,828 --> 01:21:15,747
of saying that we died twice
in a Jason movie
1909
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:17,719
because we die
in the virtual reality scene
1910
01:21:17,874 --> 01:21:19,167
where I get my head cut off.
1911
01:21:19,459 --> 01:21:22,503
OK, screw this. Game over!
1912
01:21:22,795 --> 01:21:24,964
And then later I get my head
smashed into a wall
1913
01:21:25,256 --> 01:21:28,426
where my stuntman lovingly
broke his nose for me.
1914
01:21:28,718 --> 01:21:32,180
I really liked Jonathan,
the guy who plays the teacher.
1915
01:21:32,472 --> 01:21:33,514
We're gonna be safe here.
1916
01:21:33,806 --> 01:21:34,515
[Screams]
1917
01:21:34,807 --> 01:21:36,768
Shut up!
1918
01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:39,520
He's just such a sleaze ball,
you know,
1919
01:21:39,812 --> 01:21:40,521
and he's always making
the wrong choices and, you know,
1920
01:21:40,813 --> 01:21:42,774
he basically
endangers everybody.
1921
01:21:43,066 --> 01:21:44,400
Jason's coming at him,
1922
01:21:44,692 --> 01:21:45,651
and he doesn't know
what's going on,
1923
01:21:45,943 --> 01:21:48,071
and he grabs his machete
and so he says,
1924
01:21:48,363 --> 01:21:50,490
Guys. lt's okay.
He just wanted his machete back.
1925
01:21:50,782 --> 01:21:52,700
[Makes slashing sound]
1926
01:21:52,992 --> 01:21:54,872
We didn't know how I
was going to die initially.
1927
01:21:55,119 --> 01:21:56,287
I'm asking everyone,
1928
01:21:56,579 --> 01:21:58,373
'How do I get it?'
1929
01:21:58,664 --> 01:22:00,750
So they said, 'Ah, we're going
to cut your head off.'
1930
01:22:01,042 --> 01:22:02,377
Came back later and they said,
'We changed our mind.
1931
01:22:02,668 --> 01:22:04,712
He's going to grab you,
1932
01:22:05,004 --> 01:22:09,300
and he's going to slam your head
into an electronic box.'
1933
01:22:09,592 --> 01:22:12,720
I leapt up going
'Holy fuck, that's hot.'
1934
01:22:13,012 --> 01:22:16,391
The thing about
JASON X which, you know,
1935
01:22:16,682 --> 01:22:17,802
we didn't really think about
1936
01:22:18,017 --> 01:22:20,144
was that this took place
in the future
1937
01:22:20,436 --> 01:22:22,438
so every single thing on frame
had to be built.
1938
01:22:22,730 --> 01:22:24,399
It had to be created.
1939
01:22:24,690 --> 01:22:26,526
It had to be designed
and fabricated.
1940
01:22:26,818 --> 01:22:28,138
The future was a lot more
colorful
1941
01:22:28,319 --> 01:22:29,821
than I thought it would be.
1942
01:22:30,113 --> 01:22:31,155
It was beautiful, but it was
beautiful in the way
1943
01:22:31,447 --> 01:22:33,658
that BATMAN 3 was beautiful in
that, you know,
1944
01:22:33,950 --> 01:22:35,510
there was lots of color
and lots of neon
1945
01:22:35,576 --> 01:22:37,578
and just not what I was
expecting.
1946
01:22:37,870 --> 01:22:39,870
You know, what I was expecting
was THE DARK KNIGHT.
1947
01:22:40,081 --> 01:22:42,241
We had something like, I don't
know, 800 visual effects
1948
01:22:42,375 --> 01:22:44,293
in the film.
1949
01:22:44,585 --> 01:22:45,420
Sometimes you're acting
with a tennis ball
1950
01:22:45,711 --> 01:22:46,754
on the end of a stick.
1951
01:22:47,046 --> 01:22:48,131
I was very new to it.
1952
01:22:48,423 --> 01:22:49,715
Given the fact that we were
trying to pull off
1953
01:22:50,007 --> 01:22:53,219
a lot of technical things,
1954
01:22:53,511 --> 01:22:54,971
it was pretty smooth.
1955
01:22:55,263 --> 01:22:57,306
We had one shot that was outside
1956
01:22:57,598 --> 01:23:00,643
which just made the shoot
very easy
1957
01:23:00,935 --> 01:23:03,479
because we were on stage
every single day.
1958
01:23:03,771 --> 01:23:08,109
Following the release of Wes
Craven's 1996 mega-hit SCREAM,
1959
01:23:08,401 --> 01:23:10,445
'slick, smart
and self-referential'
1960
01:23:10,736 --> 01:23:13,114
became the hottest buzzwords
in horror,
1961
01:23:13,406 --> 01:23:16,492
and JASON X was no exception.
1962
01:23:16,784 --> 01:23:18,244
No wonder you wore this thing.
1963
01:23:18,536 --> 01:23:22,874
My only issue really was that,
1964
01:23:23,166 --> 01:23:26,919
as we got closer into shooting,
the script got changed.
1965
01:23:27,211 --> 01:23:30,089
It was one of the sort
of post-SCREAM films.
1966
01:23:30,381 --> 01:23:31,861
And suddenly
all the studio notes were
1967
01:23:32,091 --> 01:23:33,050
'this needs to be more
like SCREAM.'
1968
01:23:33,342 --> 01:23:36,345
So it was a movie
that had to acknowledge
1969
01:23:36,637 --> 01:23:39,182
that the movie-going audience,
we knew all the cliches.
1970
01:23:39,474 --> 01:23:41,893
Now what?
1971
01:23:42,185 --> 01:23:44,854
Now basically... we die.
1972
01:23:45,146 --> 01:23:48,983
At one point, Lewis Abernathy,
who had written DEEPSTAR SIX
1973
01:23:49,275 --> 01:23:51,110
and had been doing some work
with Cameron,
1974
01:23:51,402 --> 01:23:53,696
he was also in TITANIC.
1975
01:23:53,988 --> 01:23:54,947
He was the frizzy-haired guy
telling the story
1976
01:23:55,239 --> 01:23:56,519
about how the Titanic went down.
1977
01:23:56,741 --> 01:23:59,577
He came in just as a fresh set
of eyes.
1978
01:23:59,869 --> 01:24:01,120
I think they went through and
polished a lot of the dialogue
1979
01:24:01,412 --> 01:24:04,373
and it maybe made it
a less ALIENS
1980
01:24:04,665 --> 01:24:05,958
and a little more campy.
1981
01:24:06,250 --> 01:24:09,420
Aw, shit, I forgot my arm.
1982
01:24:09,712 --> 01:24:11,964
Yeah, here you go, dumb-ass.
1983
01:24:12,256 --> 01:24:14,175
Hi, hand.
1984
01:24:14,467 --> 01:24:15,760
Some people thought
it was a great idea and fun.
1985
01:24:16,052 --> 01:24:17,386
Other people thought, 'Oh, no.
1986
01:24:17,678 --> 01:24:18,838
We should go back to basics.'
1987
01:24:18,930 --> 01:24:21,307
If a rusted machete
would no longer cut it
1988
01:24:21,599 --> 01:24:23,434
for Jason in the 24th century,
1989
01:24:23,726 --> 01:24:26,938
his opponents also had to be
tougher, stronger
1990
01:24:27,230 --> 01:24:29,815
and more resilient
than ever before.
1991
01:24:30,107 --> 01:24:34,153
Both good and evil
needed an upgrade.
1992
01:24:34,445 --> 01:24:35,863
The women
in FRIDAY THE 13TH movies
1993
01:24:36,155 --> 01:24:38,407
are always the strong, you know,
1994
01:24:38,699 --> 01:24:39,699
the strong characters,
1995
01:24:39,951 --> 01:24:40,910
and we wanted to be true
to that.
1996
01:24:41,202 --> 01:24:43,287
But being in the future,
1997
01:24:43,579 --> 01:24:45,414
we wanted to take advantage
of that as well
1998
01:24:45,706 --> 01:24:48,167
so Todd and I came up
with this idea of this robot.
1999
01:24:48,459 --> 01:24:51,379
And this is the lovely
Kay-Em 14,
2000
01:24:51,671 --> 01:24:54,382
Tsunaron's little 'love-bot.'
2001
01:24:54,674 --> 01:24:56,551
I actually took this character
seriously.
2002
01:24:56,842 --> 01:24:58,511
I wanted to not just be
android-like,
2003
01:24:58,803 --> 01:25:00,346
completely robotic.
2004
01:25:00,638 --> 01:25:01,973
And so Jim and I talked about
2005
01:25:02,265 --> 01:25:03,683
what would be
some kind of templates
2006
01:25:03,975 --> 01:25:05,184
that we could work with,
2007
01:25:05,476 --> 01:25:07,353
and he actually mentioned
STEPFORD WIVES.
2008
01:25:07,645 --> 01:25:09,188
There's some strength in that
2009
01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:11,774
in terms of being
completely unflappable
2010
01:25:12,066 --> 01:25:16,988
and delighted at,
'Oh, what are you doing now?
2011
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,490
You've taken my head off.
No worries.'
2012
01:25:19,782 --> 01:25:22,827
I'd clap if I could.
2013
01:25:23,119 --> 01:25:25,162
There's a scene in JASON X
2014
01:25:25,454 --> 01:25:28,541
where the robot Kay-Em
wants to get fake boobs.
2015
01:25:28,833 --> 01:25:31,043
- What do you think?
- Hmm?
2016
01:25:31,335 --> 01:25:33,212
- Do you like them?
- They're fine.
2017
01:25:33,504 --> 01:25:35,631
And the boobs are not
Lisa Ryder's boobs.
2018
01:25:35,923 --> 01:25:37,283
It's a prosthetic
that goes over it
2019
01:25:37,425 --> 01:25:39,176
and then they have
these fake nipples,
2020
01:25:39,468 --> 01:25:41,012
and they were attached to wires.
2021
01:25:41,304 --> 01:25:44,181
[clinking sounds,
Tsunaron grumbles]
2022
01:25:44,473 --> 01:25:47,643
To this day, still,
when people mention that movie
2023
01:25:47,935 --> 01:25:50,104
they are like, 'Oh, I love
that fake boob scene.'
2024
01:25:50,396 --> 01:25:53,399
A giant challenge
was my costume.
2025
01:25:53,691 --> 01:25:55,776
My costume was completely
head-to-toe PVC
2026
01:25:56,068 --> 01:25:57,194
and corseted at the back.
2027
01:25:57,486 --> 01:25:59,405
It was hard to breath.
2028
01:25:59,697 --> 01:26:01,937
I think I lost like 10 pounds
just sweating through that,
2029
01:26:02,033 --> 01:26:04,076
you know, PVC costume.
2030
01:26:04,368 --> 01:26:06,412
We wanted her to be the one
that kills off Jason.
2031
01:26:06,704 --> 01:26:07,747
So it was just - it was just a
way to have some fun with it.
2032
01:26:08,039 --> 01:26:09,790
There was a lot of gymnastics.
2033
01:26:10,082 --> 01:26:15,212
Just a lot of kung fu really.
2034
01:26:15,504 --> 01:26:19,550
Jason got shot so many times
during that movie.
2035
01:26:19,842 --> 01:26:22,386
The wardrobe was changing every
day, you know.
2036
01:26:22,678 --> 01:26:25,056
Here's the one that has
15 bullet holes.
2037
01:26:25,348 --> 01:26:27,588
Now this next scene you're
going to have 45 bullet holes.
2038
01:26:27,642 --> 01:26:31,103
She shot off his arm,
shot off his leg,
2039
01:26:31,395 --> 01:26:35,149
and then shot his head,
and it exploded.
2040
01:26:35,441 --> 01:26:38,110
Yeah.
2041
01:26:38,402 --> 01:26:39,528
And that's when we felt
that he had died.
2042
01:26:39,820 --> 01:26:42,239
We really wanted to play
with the technology,
2043
01:26:42,531 --> 01:26:45,201
with taking advantage
of the fact
2044
01:26:45,493 --> 01:26:46,243
that we're 400 years
in the future,
2045
01:26:46,535 --> 01:26:47,995
and then we tossed around ideas
2046
01:26:48,287 --> 01:26:50,331
of what kind of technology
might be forefront
2047
01:26:50,623 --> 01:26:54,168
and nanotechnology, I thought,
was the obvious choice.
2048
01:26:54,460 --> 01:26:56,087
So we've got Uber-Jason.
2049
01:26:56,379 --> 01:26:59,757
So this is Jason
100 times better
2050
01:27:00,049 --> 01:27:01,509
than Jason has ever been before
in the future.
2051
01:27:01,801 --> 01:27:03,177
The makeup was very easy
to work in
2052
01:27:03,469 --> 01:27:05,179
until we got to Uber-Jason.
2053
01:27:05,471 --> 01:27:09,684
That was an entire
one-piece suit.
2054
01:27:09,975 --> 01:27:12,853
It limited my motion a lot
with the arm and the leg
2055
01:27:13,145 --> 01:27:14,939
that had the metallic pieces.
2056
01:27:15,231 --> 01:27:19,026
I couldn't bend at the joints
as much as I was used to.
2057
01:27:19,318 --> 01:27:22,279
I still love the design
of that Uber-Jason mask.
2058
01:27:22,571 --> 01:27:25,366
Then you get the red
contact lenses.
2059
01:27:25,658 --> 01:27:28,035
Crew people didn't even want to
look at me in the eyes
2060
01:27:28,327 --> 01:27:30,496
because it was so weird looking.
2061
01:27:30,788 --> 01:27:31,831
Because even though you've got
the same character,
2062
01:27:32,123 --> 01:27:34,166
it's doing something different.
2063
01:27:34,458 --> 01:27:37,086
Jim lsaac's son brought his
class in and, you know,
2064
01:27:37,378 --> 01:27:39,338
of course, I scared
the hell out of them,
2065
01:27:39,630 --> 01:27:42,717
and, you know, kid went into
a fetal position, one of them.
2066
01:27:43,008 --> 01:27:45,636
I guess I'm a little cruel
but I gotta have some fun too.
2067
01:27:45,928 --> 01:27:47,847
Bar none, I mean,
you can't put the guy down.
2068
01:27:48,139 --> 01:27:50,641
I mean he literally is
indestructible in that sense.
2069
01:27:50,933 --> 01:27:52,560
Much to Kay-Em's sadness
2070
01:27:52,852 --> 01:27:54,252
because then he knocked
my head off.
2071
01:27:54,353 --> 01:27:57,189
You guys might want to run.
2072
01:27:57,481 --> 01:28:00,651
Our big plan to use our robot
has gone awry
2073
01:28:00,943 --> 01:28:02,343
so we've got this rolling
robot head
2074
01:28:02,570 --> 01:28:04,530
that Tsunaron is in love with.
2075
01:28:04,822 --> 01:28:06,449
He's holding it,
and he's gone crazy.
2076
01:28:06,741 --> 01:28:07,992
He's lost his mind, and he's
holding the robot head.
2077
01:28:08,284 --> 01:28:09,952
We've got Waylander
2078
01:28:10,244 --> 01:28:12,079
who's sacrificing himself
to save the day
2079
01:28:12,371 --> 01:28:16,459
and blows up the hull.
2080
01:28:16,751 --> 01:28:19,003
One of the things that's
interesting about the film
2081
01:28:19,295 --> 01:28:21,589
is my death is sort of
indirectly caused by Jason.
2082
01:28:21,881 --> 01:28:22,173
Jason has punched a
hole from outside
2083
01:28:22,465 --> 01:28:27,136
into the spaceship
and, of course,
2084
01:28:27,428 --> 01:28:30,014
when he pulls out his hand,
it creates this enormous vacuum.
2085
01:28:30,306 --> 01:28:32,892
We're all trying to run away
and poor little Janessa
2086
01:28:33,184 --> 01:28:35,352
just isn't strong enough
or fast enough
2087
01:28:35,644 --> 01:28:38,397
to get away before
the suction starts.
2088
01:28:38,689 --> 01:28:41,692
This sucks on so many levels!
2089
01:28:41,984 --> 01:28:44,403
Janessa has the best witticisms.
2090
01:28:44,695 --> 01:28:46,155
Want a beer?
2091
01:28:46,447 --> 01:28:48,282
Or do you want to
smoke some pot?
2092
01:28:48,574 --> 01:28:51,076
Or we can have
pre-marital sex.
2093
01:28:51,368 --> 01:28:55,039
The most successful scene
in that movie
2094
01:28:55,331 --> 01:29:00,753
was the sort of hyper-reality
of Jason on the spaceship,
2095
01:29:01,045 --> 01:29:03,881
you know, pummeling the naked
campers in the sleeping bag.
2096
01:29:04,173 --> 01:29:06,217
You know, it's a love letter
to all the other movies
2097
01:29:06,509 --> 01:29:07,510
because that's what they were
at one point.
2098
01:29:07,802 --> 01:29:08,962
It was just innocent and fun.
2099
01:29:09,053 --> 01:29:12,890
Originally I wanted Uber-Jason
2100
01:29:13,182 --> 01:29:14,183
to pick up the girls
in the sleeping bags
2101
01:29:14,475 --> 01:29:16,811
and swirl them around like this
2102
01:29:17,102 --> 01:29:20,022
and then hit them in the air
and then throw them down.
2103
01:29:20,314 --> 01:29:22,191
We were running out of time
and money by then.
2104
01:29:22,483 --> 01:29:23,567
It was the end of the show
2105
01:29:23,859 --> 01:29:26,612
and that would involve
a lot of rigging to do that
2106
01:29:26,904 --> 01:29:30,157
or a little CGI stuff,
so we adapted it a little bit,
2107
01:29:30,449 --> 01:29:32,576
which I think actually
worked out even better.
2108
01:29:32,868 --> 01:29:36,664
The weightless environment scene
2109
01:29:36,956 --> 01:29:39,083
with Jason fighting another guy
concerned me from the beginning.
2110
01:29:39,375 --> 01:29:42,086
I thought Jason
might look a little comical
2111
01:29:42,378 --> 01:29:46,298
floating around weightless
even if he's fighting
2112
01:29:46,590 --> 01:29:49,009
so we were able to limit that
a little bit.
2113
01:29:49,301 --> 01:29:51,637
One way to find a weakness
2114
01:29:51,929 --> 01:29:53,389
because it's pretty hard
to find a weakness for Jason.
2115
01:29:53,681 --> 01:29:55,432
Tsunaron and the Rowan character
2116
01:29:55,724 --> 01:29:58,978
escaped ultimately into a pod,
2117
01:29:59,270 --> 01:30:01,605
and they saw Brodski ride Jason
off into the sunset
2118
01:30:01,897 --> 01:30:04,066
kind of thing.
2119
01:30:04,358 --> 01:30:08,028
And it was basically my head,
Tsunaron and Rowan who survived.
2120
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:11,574
During the year-long production
of JASON X, Michael DeLuca,
2121
01:30:11,866 --> 01:30:13,534
New Line Cinema's
president of production,
2122
01:30:13,826 --> 01:30:18,706
made a much-publicized exit
from the studio,
2123
01:30:18,998 --> 01:30:20,124
and with him would go
the film's biggest champion.
2124
01:30:20,416 --> 01:30:23,002
With virtually no support
for the film at New Line,
2125
01:30:23,294 --> 01:30:27,590
JASON X would be left adrift
in space for over two years.
2126
01:30:27,882 --> 01:30:29,967
You know, it just kind of
sat there.
2127
01:30:30,259 --> 01:30:32,259
It was the redheaded stepchild
for almost 18 months
2128
01:30:32,469 --> 01:30:35,723
um... and during which time
actually
2129
01:30:36,015 --> 01:30:37,535
a print got leaked out
on the Internet.
2130
01:30:37,808 --> 01:30:39,852
And I know for a couple months,
2131
01:30:40,144 --> 01:30:41,812
we were the most pirated movie
out there.
2132
01:30:42,104 --> 01:30:45,107
By the time JASON X
was released in April 2002,
2133
01:30:45,399 --> 01:30:49,111
it failed to ignite even a
modest spark at the box office,
2134
01:30:49,403 --> 01:30:51,822
and is regarded
by both critics and fans
2135
01:30:52,114 --> 01:30:54,992
as an interstellar dud.
2136
01:30:55,284 --> 01:30:58,454
When it finally did come
out, you know,
2137
01:30:58,746 --> 01:31:00,331
a lot of the buzz that had been
going on on the Internet
2138
01:31:00,623 --> 01:31:02,166
had kind of died down,
2139
01:31:02,458 --> 01:31:04,043
and whether it was deserved
or not,
2140
01:31:04,335 --> 01:31:06,003
I think there was a bad smell
to it,
2141
01:31:06,295 --> 01:31:07,838
and it just didn't perform
as well as it could have.
2142
01:31:08,130 --> 01:31:09,089
There's lots of things I'd like
to do differently.
2143
01:31:09,381 --> 01:31:12,468
I mean, I don't think
there's anybody
2144
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:14,762
who's sort of directed a film
or, you know,
2145
01:31:15,054 --> 01:31:18,098
made a drawing or sculpted
an ashtray or whatever,
2146
01:31:18,390 --> 01:31:19,558
I mean, I think you always look
at it and go,
2147
01:31:19,850 --> 01:31:21,143
I could have done it
a little bit differently.'
2148
01:31:21,435 --> 01:31:22,561
I don't think anyone's ever
going to be happy
2149
01:31:22,853 --> 01:31:24,355
with the way it turned out.
2150
01:31:24,647 --> 01:31:27,149
Yeah, I wish it had been
a little bit darker,
2151
01:31:27,441 --> 01:31:28,609
a little bit edgier.
2152
01:31:28,901 --> 01:31:30,736
You want to make the best movie
you can make,
2153
01:31:31,028 --> 01:31:33,572
and I feel like because
we were all going
2154
01:31:33,864 --> 01:31:34,448
in different directions,
we didn't make the best movie
2155
01:31:34,740 --> 01:31:36,492
we could make.
2156
01:31:36,784 --> 01:31:38,118
And, you know, I know
that people love or hate it,
2157
01:31:38,410 --> 01:31:40,371
but it could have been better.
2158
01:31:40,663 --> 01:31:42,915
I think the movie does suck
on a lot of levels,
2159
01:31:43,207 --> 01:31:45,250
and I think that's part of
its appeal.
2160
01:31:45,542 --> 01:31:47,586
One of the things I love
the most about JASON X
2161
01:31:47,878 --> 01:31:50,089
is that it's not embarrassed
to be JASON X.
2162
01:31:50,381 --> 01:31:51,507
We watched the movie.
Everybody had a good time.
2163
01:31:51,799 --> 01:31:53,467
It was a packed house,
2164
01:31:53,759 --> 01:31:55,094
and we were walking out
and there were these girls,
2165
01:31:55,386 --> 01:31:58,013
and they were like,
'Oh. You're in the movie,
2166
01:31:58,305 --> 01:32:00,349
you're in the movie.'
2167
01:32:00,641 --> 01:32:01,183
And one of my buddies said,
'Hey, you want his autograph?'
2168
01:32:01,475 --> 01:32:04,478
and the girl went, 'Nah..
2169
01:32:04,770 --> 01:32:10,317
I went right from doing JASON X
to a TV show called ANDROMEDA
2170
01:32:10,609 --> 01:32:12,736
which the parallels
were astonishing.
2171
01:32:13,028 --> 01:32:16,448
Lexa Doig and I
both were in both.
2172
01:32:16,740 --> 01:32:20,369
It marked my, you know, the
beginning of six years in space.
2173
01:32:20,661 --> 01:32:22,461
I look back now and I realize
how lucky I was.
2174
01:32:22,579 --> 01:32:23,872
Of course, I was complaining,
2175
01:32:24,164 --> 01:32:25,874
and I thought my career was over
2176
01:32:26,166 --> 01:32:27,793
as I would see what was
becoming of it but, you know,
2177
01:32:28,085 --> 01:32:30,129
it was what it was.
2178
01:32:30,421 --> 01:32:32,702
There have been an absolute
tremendous number of spin-offs
2179
01:32:32,756 --> 01:32:34,636
for comic books, novels,
all that sort of stuff.
2180
01:32:34,883 --> 01:32:36,885
I think with the JASON X
franchise,
2181
01:32:37,177 --> 01:32:37,803
I think you can continue
telling those stories
2182
01:32:38,095 --> 01:32:39,763
in the future.
2183
01:32:40,055 --> 01:32:42,016
And, again, look,
even those movies,
2184
01:32:42,307 --> 01:32:43,934
if you really love the series,
they have their merits.
2185
01:32:44,226 --> 01:32:45,394
I mean, we all sit and watch
these things
2186
01:32:45,686 --> 01:32:47,479
when they play the marathon
on Spike
2187
01:32:47,771 --> 01:32:49,064
or whatever channel
they're on every year,
2188
01:32:49,356 --> 01:32:50,899
and there's no question,
if it's a Friday the 13th,
2189
01:32:51,191 --> 01:32:53,193
we're going to go check cable
2190
01:32:53,485 --> 01:32:54,069
because you know a couple of
them are going to be on.
2191
01:32:54,361 --> 01:32:56,238
And no matter what they are
2192
01:32:56,530 --> 01:32:57,239
or how ridiculous they might be
at times,
2193
01:32:57,531 --> 01:32:58,811
I'm going to sit and watch them.
2194
01:32:58,991 --> 01:33:00,492
And probably enjoy them
at an unhealthy level.
2195
01:33:00,784 --> 01:33:02,944
I think in general I should
have fought a little harder
2196
01:33:03,037 --> 01:33:05,122
for the script that
I fell in love with originally.
2197
01:33:05,414 --> 01:33:07,583
You know, that's your job
as a director
2198
01:33:07,875 --> 01:33:08,834
is to fight
for what you think is right
2199
01:33:09,126 --> 01:33:11,920
and that sometimes is difficult
2200
01:33:12,212 --> 01:33:15,007
when you're under the gun,
time, money and all that.
2201
01:33:15,299 --> 01:33:18,427
But, I mean, as far as it being
crazy and fun and different,
2202
01:33:18,719 --> 01:33:20,429
Pm pretty happy with it.
2203
01:33:20,721 --> 01:33:22,431
But really I think
at the end of the day,
2204
01:33:22,723 --> 01:33:24,266
it got Jason
back out there again,
2205
01:33:24,558 --> 01:33:26,894
gave the little push forward
that FREDDY/JASON
2206
01:33:27,186 --> 01:33:29,146
needed to really take off
2207
01:33:29,438 --> 01:33:34,438
and get us back to where
we are right now.
2208
01:33:47,831 --> 01:33:49,416
Ever since the idea
2209
01:33:49,708 --> 01:33:51,710
for a pairing of
FRIDAY THE 13THs Jason
2210
01:33:52,002 --> 01:33:53,837
with A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET'S
Freddy
2211
01:33:54,129 --> 01:33:56,757
was first suggested
in the late 1980s,
2212
01:33:57,049 --> 01:33:59,384
fans had been anticipating
the ultimate showdown
2213
01:33:59,676 --> 01:34:02,221
between the two horror icons.
2214
01:34:02,513 --> 01:34:04,433
It was funny because
when we finished our FRIDAY,
2215
01:34:04,556 --> 01:34:06,975
it started to go around that,
2216
01:34:07,267 --> 01:34:10,062
what about bringing Freddy into
the series, you know,
2217
01:34:10,354 --> 01:34:12,189
and actually have
a FREDDY VS. JASON.
2218
01:34:12,481 --> 01:34:14,149
The kids had been
talking about it.
2219
01:34:14,441 --> 01:34:16,121
Whether it's letters to the
editor in Fango
2220
01:34:16,276 --> 01:34:19,822
or at conventions
or in fan clubs,
2221
01:34:20,114 --> 01:34:20,739
they'd been talking about Freddy
and Michael Myers,
2222
01:34:21,031 --> 01:34:22,157
Freddy and Jason,
2223
01:34:22,449 --> 01:34:24,201
Jason and Michael Myers.
2224
01:34:24,493 --> 01:34:26,120
You know, who would win?
2225
01:34:26,411 --> 01:34:27,663
There was always the talk
that Freddy and Jason
2226
01:34:27,955 --> 01:34:29,289
would somehow be combined,
2227
01:34:29,581 --> 01:34:29,748
and I think the ownership of
those two properties,
2228
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,334
of Freddy and of Jason,
2229
01:34:32,626 --> 01:34:34,878
kind of mish-mashed around
various studios
2230
01:34:35,170 --> 01:34:35,796
and ended up finally
at the same place.
2231
01:34:36,088 --> 01:34:38,423
Then after JASON X,
2232
01:34:38,715 --> 01:34:40,676
they started seriously
talking about it,
2233
01:34:40,968 --> 01:34:41,802
saying they were going to
have a script done,
2234
01:34:42,094 --> 01:34:44,847
and, you know,
2235
01:34:45,139 --> 01:34:47,683
then it was definitely
a real project
2236
01:34:47,975 --> 01:34:50,811
and appeared to be the very
next one to be done.
2237
01:34:51,103 --> 01:34:51,937
And you've got to remember even,
2238
01:34:52,229 --> 01:34:54,940
almost a decade in front of that
2239
01:34:55,232 --> 01:34:57,401
when you look at
JASON GOES TO HELL,
2240
01:34:57,693 --> 01:34:59,862
it had been set up,
it was clear it was coming.
2241
01:35:00,154 --> 01:35:01,446
And our idea was Jason
was Hell's assassin,
2242
01:35:01,738 --> 01:35:04,032
so Freddy is the other assassin,
2243
01:35:04,324 --> 01:35:05,284
and both of them
had just been killed.
2244
01:35:05,576 --> 01:35:08,328
So now these guys are both
in hell,
2245
01:35:08,620 --> 01:35:11,582
and the devil proposes
a contest to these two guys,
2246
01:35:11,874 --> 01:35:14,543
which is,
I'm sending you both up.
2247
01:35:14,835 --> 01:35:20,132
Whoever brings me the most souls
in this given time slot,
2248
01:35:20,424 --> 01:35:23,135
you're the winner and you get
to stay up there as my assassin.
2249
01:35:23,427 --> 01:35:25,679
The other one is gone forever.
2250
01:35:25,971 --> 01:35:28,932
So that was sort of our idea
for Freddy vs. Jason
2251
01:35:29,224 --> 01:35:30,350
back in the day.
2252
01:35:30,642 --> 01:35:32,644
But New Line had, you know,
2253
01:35:32,936 --> 01:35:35,230
no interest in giving,
you know, the rights over
2254
01:35:35,522 --> 01:35:37,107
and Paramount was not going
to go the other direction.
2255
01:35:37,399 --> 01:35:40,068
And it took a long time
for Paramount
2256
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:42,404
to finally lose their option.
2257
01:35:42,696 --> 01:35:43,780
They wanted
to distribute the film.
2258
01:35:44,072 --> 01:35:46,950
So it was a combination
of things.
2259
01:35:47,242 --> 01:35:49,077
I got the first draft
of FREDDY VS. JASON
2260
01:35:49,369 --> 01:35:52,331
when I was a freshman
in high school in 1994.
2261
01:35:52,623 --> 01:35:56,335
I bought it for $15 at the
Motor City Comicon in Detroit,
2262
01:35:56,627 --> 01:35:59,087
and I remember pledging
right then and there,
2263
01:35:59,379 --> 01:36:03,133
'I need to get to New Line,
I need to get to LA
2264
01:36:03,425 --> 01:36:04,676
before they make this movie,
2265
01:36:04,968 --> 01:36:05,844
or I'm never
going to forgive myself.'
2266
01:36:06,136 --> 01:36:07,429
And I made it my goal.
2267
01:36:07,721 --> 01:36:09,181
I dropped out of college
2268
01:36:09,473 --> 01:36:10,599
specifically to be able
to get there in time
2269
01:36:10,891 --> 01:36:12,517
to make FREDDY VS. JASON.
2270
01:36:12,809 --> 01:36:14,449
And credit to Jeff Katz
because, you know,
2271
01:36:14,686 --> 01:36:15,562
you've got to be kind of
a dog with a bone
2272
01:36:15,854 --> 01:36:17,564
on these things.
2273
01:36:17,856 --> 01:36:20,192
There's so much... not just
on FREDDY VS. JASON,
2274
01:36:20,484 --> 01:36:22,069
on every kind of movie,
2275
01:36:22,361 --> 01:36:24,241
it's always easier at
a million different stages
2276
01:36:24,404 --> 01:36:26,073
just to say no.
2277
01:36:26,365 --> 01:36:27,532
But after more than a decade
in the works,
2278
01:36:27,824 --> 01:36:29,826
and millions of dollars
2279
01:36:30,118 --> 01:36:31,453
spent on some of Hollywood's
most sought-after
2280
01:36:31,745 --> 01:36:33,205
screenwriters and directors,
2281
01:36:33,497 --> 01:36:35,749
it seemed that Freddy and Jason
2282
01:36:36,041 --> 01:36:39,211
might forever be trapped
in Development Hell.
2283
01:36:39,503 --> 01:36:41,922
They had gotten Rob Bottin
attached.
2284
01:36:42,214 --> 01:36:45,175
Rob Bottin was a huge special
effects makeup guy.
2285
01:36:45,467 --> 01:36:49,429
You know, he'd worked on
Carpenter's remake of THE THING.
2286
01:36:49,721 --> 01:36:51,848
And Rob Bottin was going to
make his directing debut
2287
01:36:52,140 --> 01:36:53,809
with this project.
2288
01:36:54,101 --> 01:36:56,019
And so it incubated
and then there were scripts
2289
01:36:56,311 --> 01:36:58,105
and scripts and scripts.
2290
01:36:58,397 --> 01:36:59,856
I think there were 13, 14,
15 writers on that script.
2291
01:37:00,148 --> 01:37:03,026
There were so many different
specific takes
2292
01:37:03,318 --> 01:37:05,112
and so many different, you know,
2293
01:37:05,404 --> 01:37:07,906
versions of that movie
from beginning to end.
2294
01:37:08,198 --> 01:37:10,033
The first draft I ever read
was the Peter Briggs draft
2295
01:37:10,325 --> 01:37:13,287
which was actually taking very
good care of continuity
2296
01:37:13,578 --> 01:37:15,706
to where Alice the Dream Master
was in it,
2297
01:37:15,998 --> 01:37:18,583
the Freemans from
JASON GOES TO HELL were in it.
2298
01:37:18,875 --> 01:37:20,544
It was about the kids and the
families coming together
2299
01:37:20,836 --> 01:37:22,921
ultimately to stop them.
2300
01:37:23,213 --> 01:37:24,589
They didn't like the script, and
they didn't like the director.
2301
01:37:24,881 --> 01:37:25,841
Then they didn't like
the script.
2302
01:37:26,133 --> 01:37:27,384
Because Freddy Krueger's origin
2303
01:37:27,676 --> 01:37:29,136
was that Freddy
was a child killer,
2304
01:37:29,428 --> 01:37:31,346
a child molester.
2305
01:37:31,638 --> 01:37:34,683
He had actually molested Jason
and actually drowned Jason
2306
01:37:34,975 --> 01:37:36,518
so that Jason wouldn't
tell anybody what had happened.
2307
01:37:36,810 --> 01:37:38,562
You had another series of
scripts
2308
01:37:38,854 --> 01:37:41,106
where I believe the character's
name was Dominic Necros
2309
01:37:41,398 --> 01:37:42,566
if I get this, if I remember
correctly.
2310
01:37:42,858 --> 01:37:45,861
It seems to me
that a third of this movie
2311
01:37:46,153 --> 01:37:47,404
needs to be about Freddy,
a third needs to be about Jason,
2312
01:37:47,696 --> 01:37:49,906
and a third needs to be
about a new character.
2313
01:37:50,198 --> 01:37:52,951
So I created the head
of a cult of Freddy fanatics
2314
01:37:53,243 --> 01:37:55,078
who were called Fred Heads.
2315
01:37:55,370 --> 01:37:56,496
But it was really, just look,
it's Freddy and Jason.
2316
01:37:56,788 --> 01:37:57,988
They're the stars of the show.
2317
01:37:58,248 --> 01:37:58,707
I certainly wouldn't
buy a ticket to a movie
2318
01:37:58,999 --> 01:38:01,001
Called FREDDY VS. JASON
2319
01:38:01,293 --> 01:38:03,813
to go spend the bulk of my time
with a guy named Dominic Necros.
2320
01:38:04,087 --> 01:38:05,088
I didn't buy a ticket
with his name in the title.
2321
01:38:05,380 --> 01:38:08,300
In our version they find
Jason's grave
2322
01:38:08,592 --> 01:38:11,261
at the Crystal Lake Cemetery,
2323
01:38:11,553 --> 01:38:15,724
and there's a headstone that
says Jason Voorhees, you know,
2324
01:38:16,016 --> 01:38:20,103
born 1958, died 1963,
and that was crossed off,
2325
01:38:20,395 --> 01:38:23,607
1978 and that was crossed off,
1981 was crossed off,
2326
01:38:23,899 --> 01:38:27,152
1982, 1983, and there were like
20 dates on there
2327
01:38:27,444 --> 01:38:29,279
of like all the times
he had died.
2328
01:38:29,571 --> 01:38:32,574
So that's probably a
documentary all unto itself.
2329
01:38:32,866 --> 01:38:34,993
It's all of the writers
and all of the drafts.
2330
01:38:35,285 --> 01:38:38,080
Ultimately, a young
screenwriting duo
2331
01:38:38,372 --> 01:38:40,749
came up with a take that would
pit the two terror titans
2332
01:38:41,041 --> 01:38:43,210
against each other
while remaining true
2333
01:38:43,502 --> 01:38:45,837
to the established histories
of both franchises.
2334
01:38:46,129 --> 01:38:49,091
The writers lobbied hard
not only for the assignment,
2335
01:38:49,383 --> 01:38:51,176
but also to put the project back
2336
01:38:51,468 --> 01:38:53,345
on the studio's fast track.
2337
01:38:53,637 --> 01:38:55,013
When Freddy's glove comes out
of the ground
2338
01:38:55,305 --> 01:38:56,640
and pulls the mask in,
and we asked ourselves,
2339
01:38:56,932 --> 01:38:58,141
'What does that mean?
2340
01:38:58,433 --> 01:38:59,101
Why is Freddy grabbing his mask?
2341
01:38:59,393 --> 01:39:00,433
Why is he pulling it down?
2342
01:39:00,602 --> 01:39:02,187
Does he need him
for something?'
2343
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:04,731
And that's kind of the seed
that kind of grew
2344
01:39:05,023 --> 01:39:06,775
into FREDDY VS. JASON.
2345
01:39:07,067 --> 01:39:08,443
Our angle was we started by
saying here are the things
2346
01:39:08,735 --> 01:39:10,779
that you should not do
and then we went backwards.
2347
01:39:11,071 --> 01:39:12,823
And then we sort of got them
to understand
2348
01:39:13,115 --> 01:39:15,158
what this movie could be,
you know what I mean,
2349
01:39:15,450 --> 01:39:15,700
and then got them excited
about it.
2350
01:39:15,992 --> 01:39:18,161
Those guys ultimately,
2351
01:39:18,453 --> 01:39:20,038
because they grew up as fans of
both these franchises, got it.
2352
01:39:20,330 --> 01:39:21,748
I think if you ask
most of the fans,
2353
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:23,542
I want to see Freddy as I know
him and love him best,
2354
01:39:23,834 --> 01:39:25,252
Jason as I know
and love him best
2355
01:39:25,544 --> 01:39:26,628
and just let these two sort
of forces of nature
2356
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:28,797
go head-to-head and ultimately,
2357
01:39:29,089 --> 01:39:30,632
thankfully, we ended up
in that place.
2358
01:39:30,924 --> 01:39:33,385
While Sean Cunningham undeniably
2359
01:39:33,677 --> 01:39:35,887
retained creative control
of all things Jason,
2360
01:39:36,179 --> 01:39:37,819
the same could not be said
for Wes Craven,
2361
01:39:38,098 --> 01:39:39,474
the mastermind behind
2362
01:39:39,766 --> 01:39:41,726
A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET'S
Freddy Krueger.
2363
01:39:42,018 --> 01:39:43,145
I never really had
any participation
2364
01:39:43,437 --> 01:39:45,564
after NEW NIGHTMARE.
2365
01:39:45,856 --> 01:39:47,336
That was kind of the end of it
for me.
2366
01:39:47,482 --> 01:39:50,444
Wes also had moved on
to other things,
2367
01:39:50,735 --> 01:39:52,571
the SCREAM franchise
and everything,
2368
01:39:52,863 --> 01:39:54,114
so he really didn't
really care too much
2369
01:39:54,406 --> 01:39:56,199
about FREDDY VS. JASON.
2370
01:39:56,491 --> 01:39:58,571
Outside of Wes, who's certainly
being paid every time
2371
01:39:58,743 --> 01:40:01,024
the character is used, getting
his credit and all of that,
2372
01:40:01,204 --> 01:40:02,622
it wasn't a case where Wes
could actually control,
2373
01:40:02,914 --> 01:40:04,154
I don't want Freddy to do that,
2374
01:40:04,207 --> 01:40:06,334
that wasn't a possibility,
2375
01:40:06,626 --> 01:40:08,670
whereas in Jason's case,
Sean has that ability.
2376
01:40:08,962 --> 01:40:10,422
When it finally got together,
2377
01:40:10,714 --> 01:40:13,758
we had trouble finding
a director too.
2378
01:40:14,050 --> 01:40:15,969
They met with probably
40 directors.
2379
01:40:16,261 --> 01:40:18,101
They met with every director
you could think of
2380
01:40:18,221 --> 01:40:19,848
on this project
2381
01:40:20,140 --> 01:40:21,183
because a lot of guys
wanted to do it.
2382
01:40:21,475 --> 01:40:23,351
We went to one of the
executives and said,
2383
01:40:23,643 --> 01:40:24,895
'You should really think about
this guy Ronny Yu'
2384
01:40:25,187 --> 01:40:27,147
because we were big fans of
BRIDE WITH WHITE HAIR.
2385
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:29,319
New Line agreed to meet
with the action director
2386
01:40:29,399 --> 01:40:31,485
from Hong Kong,
2387
01:40:31,776 --> 01:40:33,528
who had recently brought another
American horror franchise
2388
01:40:33,820 --> 01:40:35,380
back from the dead
with BRIDE OF CHUCKY.
2389
01:40:35,655 --> 01:40:37,407
That first meeting, my intention
2390
01:40:37,699 --> 01:40:40,660
really was to go in to tell Bob
2391
01:40:40,952 --> 01:40:41,828
that I don't want to do
the movie.
2392
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:42,913
He's been getting, like,
directors,
2393
01:40:43,205 --> 01:40:45,665
tons of directors,
2394
01:40:45,957 --> 01:40:47,917
like saying they grew up with
these two franchise,
2395
01:40:48,043 --> 01:40:50,795
and they're crazy about this
2396
01:40:51,087 --> 01:40:53,798
and then there come this
Chinaman comes in
2397
01:40:54,090 --> 01:40:55,383
and tell them that, you know,
2398
01:40:55,675 --> 01:40:57,219
he doesn't care
about the franchise
2399
01:40:57,511 --> 01:41:00,472
but he knows how to make
an entertainment movie.
2400
01:41:00,764 --> 01:41:03,391
So he said this is what he want.
2401
01:41:03,683 --> 01:41:05,977
We wants somebody come in
with a different angle.
2402
01:41:06,269 --> 01:41:08,438
He had never seen a
FRIDAY THE 13TH movie
2403
01:41:08,730 --> 01:41:11,566
or a NIGHTMARE movie...
2404
01:41:11,858 --> 01:41:14,694
and that seemed like a very odd
choice for me,
2405
01:41:14,986 --> 01:41:18,365
for a director to direct
the most important one
2406
01:41:18,657 --> 01:41:20,450
of each franchise.
2407
01:41:20,742 --> 01:41:23,537
You know, at this point
we were looking for journeymen.
2408
01:41:23,828 --> 01:41:26,706
I liked the guy's cultural
influences,
2409
01:41:26,998 --> 01:41:28,959
and he was also a nice guy
2410
01:41:29,251 --> 01:41:30,835
that I felt like I could get
along with.
2411
01:41:31,127 --> 01:41:34,756
Just that little outside-ness
that Ronny Yu brought to it,
2412
01:41:35,048 --> 01:41:36,508
being a Hong Kong director,
2413
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:38,176
I think really,
really helped it.
2414
01:41:38,468 --> 01:41:39,803
Don't take it too seriously.
2415
01:41:40,095 --> 01:41:42,722
You know, have fun
with the monster.
2416
01:41:43,014 --> 01:41:44,975
This is what I learned when I
was making BRIDE OF CHUCKY.
2417
01:41:45,267 --> 01:41:47,811
Chucky: What would
Martha Stewart say?
2418
01:41:48,103 --> 01:41:49,688
Tiffany: Fuck Martha Stewart!
2419
01:41:49,980 --> 01:41:53,400
It was never a question
in the minds of genre fans
2420
01:41:53,692 --> 01:41:56,069
that Kane Hodder, who had
already played Jason four times,
2421
01:41:56,361 --> 01:41:58,280
would be back
for FREDDY VS. JASON.
2422
01:41:58,572 --> 01:42:01,449
But as pre-production began,
2423
01:42:01,741 --> 01:42:04,703
rumors began to circulate that
Hodder was out of the running.
2424
01:42:04,995 --> 01:42:08,373
I had planned,
in my own mind, I guess,
2425
01:42:08,665 --> 01:42:11,334
for years to do that movie.
2426
01:42:11,626 --> 01:42:14,254
I thought they had planned
for me to do it as well.
2427
01:42:14,546 --> 01:42:17,257
In that fan boy base
there was a dispute
2428
01:42:17,549 --> 01:42:19,301
as to whether or not Kane Hodder
2429
01:42:19,593 --> 01:42:23,096
was going to be as good
as some other Jason might be,
2430
01:42:23,388 --> 01:42:25,932
and frankly I never thought of
anybody else playing the part.
2431
01:42:26,224 --> 01:42:28,351
I really was excited
about doing it.
2432
01:42:28,643 --> 01:42:29,728
Got the script.
2433
01:42:30,020 --> 01:42:33,356
Then the director was hired
2434
01:42:33,648 --> 01:42:35,648
and things started changing,
and I wasn't sure why.
2435
01:42:35,817 --> 01:42:38,320
Before I'm onboard,
2436
01:42:38,612 --> 01:42:42,407
already the studio decided
that they wanted a new Jason.
2437
01:42:42,699 --> 01:42:44,993
The decision not to use
Kane Hodder
2438
01:42:45,285 --> 01:42:47,912
really had nothing to do
with Ronny.
2439
01:42:48,204 --> 01:42:50,415
Ronny said from day one,
2440
01:42:50,707 --> 01:42:52,959
'If you guys want Kane Hodder,
I don't care.'
2441
01:42:53,251 --> 01:42:55,503
But one of the executives
at New Line said, 'No.
2442
01:42:55,795 --> 01:42:57,464
Let's go a different way.'
2443
01:42:57,756 --> 01:42:59,758
In terms of Jason,
I certainly personally point
2444
01:43:00,050 --> 01:43:01,551
to parts 3, 4 and 6 really
at the end of the day.
2445
01:43:01,843 --> 01:43:04,387
Tall, lanky, clean mask.
2446
01:43:04,679 --> 01:43:06,159
And I think that there
was an attitude
2447
01:43:06,264 --> 01:43:08,099
that when you shot them
side-by-side,
2448
01:43:08,391 --> 01:43:10,310
one had to look like a sort of
force of nature,
2449
01:43:10,602 --> 01:43:12,020
a tank, that being Jason.
2450
01:43:12,312 --> 01:43:13,938
You know, I think it
was just the stigma
2451
01:43:14,230 --> 01:43:17,901
of all of the Jasons that led
up to what we were doing.
2452
01:43:18,193 --> 01:43:20,195
They'd all been sort of,
you know, forgive me,
2453
01:43:20,487 --> 01:43:23,657
but a little cheesy
and not too expensive to make.
2454
01:43:23,948 --> 01:43:26,493
And I think New Line, when they
decided to make this movie,
2455
01:43:26,785 --> 01:43:29,371
decided they wanted to do
something different.
2456
01:43:29,663 --> 01:43:31,873
And different just didn't mean
Kane Hodder,
2457
01:43:32,165 --> 01:43:33,165
it meant everything.
2458
01:43:33,333 --> 01:43:34,918
I says fine, you know.
2459
01:43:35,210 --> 01:43:38,171
This is their call,
and I'm fine with it.
2460
01:43:38,463 --> 01:43:41,132
I always did feel kind of bad
that, I had been, you know,
2461
01:43:41,424 --> 01:43:44,135
pushing for this whole match-up
in interviews for 16 years
2462
01:43:44,427 --> 01:43:47,722
in playing Jason
2463
01:43:48,014 --> 01:43:50,392
and then not be allowed
to do it.
2464
01:43:50,684 --> 01:43:54,187
And a lot of people
were unhappy and still are.
2465
01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:56,022
And, you know,
part of me really wishes
2466
01:43:56,314 --> 01:43:58,441
that, you know,
those fans had been able to see
2467
01:43:58,733 --> 01:44:00,735
that dream that they were
always looking for,
2468
01:44:01,027 --> 01:44:02,067
which was Robert and Kane.
2469
01:44:02,278 --> 01:44:03,196
And unfortunately
that didn't happen.
2470
01:44:03,488 --> 01:44:05,699
But, you know, this is showbiz
2471
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:07,430
and apparently
we're all replaceable.
2472
01:44:07,659 --> 01:44:09,828
I get the issue on this one,
2473
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:12,080
but I also sort of know
the larger movie business,
2474
01:44:12,330 --> 01:44:13,748
and the way things go.
2475
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:15,480
It was going to happen
at some point.
2476
01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:17,043
I would say to you
at the end of the day,
2477
01:44:17,335 --> 01:44:18,670
do I really think it affected
box office? I really don't.
2478
01:44:18,962 --> 01:44:21,881
You know, it was going to be
a success no matter what
2479
01:44:22,173 --> 01:44:24,884
just because people wanted to
see the two characters together,
2480
01:44:25,176 --> 01:44:28,430
and I just, I really wish I had
been able to do it.
2481
01:44:28,722 --> 01:44:30,849
The producers' search
for a new Jason
2482
01:44:31,141 --> 01:44:33,685
led them to a six-foot-seven
Canadian stuntman
2483
01:44:33,977 --> 01:44:35,854
who had donned Jason's trademark
hockey mask once before.
2484
01:44:36,146 --> 01:44:38,565
This time, however,
2485
01:44:38,857 --> 01:44:40,275
not only would Jason have to
convincingly swing his machete,
2486
01:44:40,567 --> 01:44:44,070
he would have to show
2487
01:44:44,362 --> 01:44:47,782
that even an unstoppable force
of nature could have feelings.
2488
01:44:48,074 --> 01:44:50,160
One of the people
that we'd seen early on
2489
01:44:50,452 --> 01:44:53,955
was a big-time stunt player in
Vancouver named Ken Kirzinger.
2490
01:44:54,247 --> 01:44:56,040
Jeff Katz who was at New Line
2491
01:44:56,332 --> 01:45:01,045
so passionately wanted to cast
Ken Kirzinger as Jason.
2492
01:45:01,337 --> 01:45:02,380
He just thought he would bring
something special.
2493
01:45:02,672 --> 01:45:05,049
Something in the eyes
he saw different or better.
2494
01:45:05,341 --> 01:45:08,553
As it was put to me when I
auditioned for it,
2495
01:45:08,845 --> 01:45:12,474
is they wanted to convey
some emotion in Jason.
2496
01:45:12,766 --> 01:45:15,560
Actually he had been a stunt
double of Kane Hodder, I think,
2497
01:45:15,852 --> 01:45:19,522
on one of the Jason films.
2498
01:45:19,814 --> 01:45:22,192
In JASON TAKES MANHATTAN
2499
01:45:22,484 --> 01:45:25,195
there was a shot where
Jason gets hit by a police car
2500
01:45:25,487 --> 01:45:29,073
and since Ken Kirzinger
was doing the stunts
2501
01:45:29,365 --> 01:45:33,828
on the show too,
he doubled me for that shot.
2502
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:35,997
That was a question that I put
to them at the beginning.
2503
01:45:36,289 --> 01:45:37,791
Like, you know,
2504
01:45:38,082 --> 01:45:39,250
because Kane had sort of
established the character,
2505
01:45:39,542 --> 01:45:41,336
did they want some of
the trademark moves
2506
01:45:41,628 --> 01:45:44,672
that Kane does, you know,
the deep breath and stuff,
2507
01:45:44,964 --> 01:45:48,009
and they didn't.
2508
01:45:48,301 --> 01:45:51,429
They really wanted a more
unique character
2509
01:45:51,721 --> 01:45:54,432
and Ronny Yu and I had some
discussions about, you know,
2510
01:45:54,724 --> 01:45:56,059
movement and the fact that they
wanted to do
2511
01:45:56,351 --> 01:45:57,977
a lot of close-ups on the eyes.
2512
01:45:58,269 --> 01:46:00,230
He was big enough.
His attitude was good.
2513
01:46:00,522 --> 01:46:05,026
He looked good in the wardrobe.
So we cast him.
2514
01:46:05,318 --> 01:46:09,113
I was a little leery because a
lot of the feedback I, you know,
2515
01:46:09,405 --> 01:46:10,657
that fans were putting out there
was negative, I think,
2516
01:46:10,949 --> 01:46:12,408
in the beginning.
2517
01:46:12,700 --> 01:46:13,201
But then when the movie
came out,
2518
01:46:13,493 --> 01:46:15,620
it became very, very positive.
2519
01:46:15,912 --> 01:46:19,040
Jason was not the only role
to be recast.
2520
01:46:19,332 --> 01:46:21,626
Once again, the script
called for the return
2521
01:46:21,918 --> 01:46:24,671
of Jason's maniacal mother.
2522
01:46:24,963 --> 01:46:26,464
We literally underlined cameo,
and we wrote in the script
2523
01:46:26,756 --> 01:46:28,341
Betsy Palmer.
2524
01:46:28,633 --> 01:46:30,113
I believe they contacted
Betsy Palmer,
2525
01:46:30,260 --> 01:46:32,387
and she was not interested.
2526
01:46:32,679 --> 01:46:35,765
I was asked three times to be
in three different pictures
2527
01:46:36,057 --> 01:46:38,184
of FRIDAY THE 13TH,
2528
01:46:38,476 --> 01:46:42,981
and I declined each time.
2529
01:46:43,273 --> 01:46:46,109
First of all, they didn't
want to pay any money.
2530
01:46:46,401 --> 01:46:47,986
They probably said, 'Hey, we'll
give you a plane flight
2531
01:46:48,278 --> 01:46:49,558
and a sandwich,
and she was like,
2532
01:46:49,654 --> 01:46:51,174
'Well, everybody else
is getting paid.'
2533
01:46:51,447 --> 01:46:53,741
In the script they had me
standing in a graveyard,
2534
01:46:54,033 --> 01:46:55,827
I guess, and saying, you know,
2535
01:46:56,119 --> 01:46:59,080
'You promised me
you'd kill all those people.'
2536
01:46:59,372 --> 01:47:02,709
Mommy has something
she wants you to do!
2537
01:47:03,001 --> 01:47:04,919
I mean, what sort of
lines are that?
2538
01:47:05,211 --> 01:47:07,255
That's nothing for an actress
to do, for God's sake.
2539
01:47:07,547 --> 01:47:10,592
Make them remember
what fear tastes like!
2540
01:47:10,884 --> 01:47:13,678
Jason finally appears
after his mother says like,
2541
01:47:13,970 --> 01:47:15,597
'Wake up. Go get these people.'
2542
01:47:15,889 --> 01:47:18,725
And then he somehow,
finds my house.
2543
01:47:19,017 --> 01:47:20,476
I live in the house
that Freddy has, you know,
2544
01:47:20,768 --> 01:47:22,437
tortured people for years,
2545
01:47:22,729 --> 01:47:26,274
and then Jason shows up
out of nowhere.
2546
01:47:26,566 --> 01:47:28,318
Surprisingly the bed death
was not initially popular
2547
01:47:28,610 --> 01:47:30,278
when it was in the script.
2548
01:47:30,570 --> 01:47:31,195
We thought it was one of the
highlights of the script,
2549
01:47:31,487 --> 01:47:33,072
but, you know,
2550
01:47:33,364 --> 01:47:33,448
that was something that they
wanted us to take out.
2551
01:47:33,740 --> 01:47:35,867
Whoa, babe.
2552
01:47:36,159 --> 01:47:37,160
I told you about kissing me
after you smoked.
2553
01:47:37,452 --> 01:47:39,370
He wasn't a very nice guy.
2554
01:47:39,662 --> 01:47:41,873
He used to yell at my friend
Gibb a lot,
2555
01:47:42,165 --> 01:47:44,250
played by Katherine Isabelle.
2556
01:47:44,542 --> 01:47:45,585
You know I don't like
to be touched after, okay?
2557
01:47:45,877 --> 01:47:48,755
Just mouthing off
and Jason literally
2558
01:47:49,047 --> 01:47:51,174
just snapped his mouth
and his body shut.
2559
01:47:51,466 --> 01:47:52,634
[screams]
2560
01:47:52,926 --> 01:47:55,178
[giggles]
2561
01:47:55,470 --> 01:47:56,471
You know, and then they said,
'Well, it's too brutal,
2562
01:47:56,763 --> 01:47:57,597
it's too gory, it's too this,
it's too that,
2563
01:47:57,889 --> 01:47:59,766
and then we just kept saying,
2564
01:48:00,058 --> 01:48:01,392
'Listen, this is not something
you want to cut.'
2565
01:48:01,684 --> 01:48:04,145
That was actually the last day
of photography.
2566
01:48:04,437 --> 01:48:06,731
It was the last thing we shot.
2567
01:48:07,023 --> 01:48:09,025
When we went to the first test
screening, and that, you know,
2568
01:48:09,317 --> 01:48:10,151
the audience really
loved the movie
2569
01:48:10,443 --> 01:48:12,695
and that got
the biggest reaction
2570
01:48:12,987 --> 01:48:13,571
and you really couldn't hear
any of the dialogue,
2571
01:48:13,863 --> 01:48:15,406
like in the previous scene,
2572
01:48:15,698 --> 01:48:16,616
because people were still
cheering.
2573
01:48:16,908 --> 01:48:18,785
It was really satisfying.
2574
01:48:19,077 --> 01:48:20,328
To be drowned in a lake,
already have deformity,
2575
01:48:20,620 --> 01:48:22,664
be insecure about it,
2576
01:48:22,956 --> 01:48:24,876
and have to watch
your mother's head get cut off,
2577
01:48:24,999 --> 01:48:28,962
I think the fact that he just is
killing people isn't that bad.
2578
01:48:29,253 --> 01:48:31,631
With Freddy using Jason
as his pawn
2579
01:48:31,923 --> 01:48:33,383
to stalk the kids of Elm Street,
2580
01:48:33,675 --> 01:48:36,844
a cornfield rave sets the stage
2581
01:48:37,136 --> 01:48:40,390
for one of the film's biggest
and bloodiest set pieces.
2582
01:48:40,682 --> 01:48:43,476
The cornfield massacre is
one of my favorite one.
2583
01:48:43,768 --> 01:48:47,313
I loved the burning Jason,
you know,
2584
01:48:47,605 --> 01:48:50,191
going after the kids
with a machete.
2585
01:48:50,483 --> 01:48:51,818
That was, that was the most
difficult sequence in the movie
2586
01:48:52,110 --> 01:48:54,278
without question.
2587
01:48:54,570 --> 01:48:56,489
First of all,
it smelled to high heaven
2588
01:48:56,781 --> 01:48:59,325
because it was actually like
the cow field
2589
01:48:59,617 --> 01:49:02,537
and just the smell
of the manure or whatever
2590
01:49:02,829 --> 01:49:06,290
was horrible.
2591
01:49:06,582 --> 01:49:09,460
I think there were like 400
or 500 extras in that scene.
2592
01:49:09,752 --> 01:49:12,714
Those kids that were
smoking pot said
2593
01:49:13,006 --> 01:49:16,467
Why don't you go find yourself
a pig to fuck?
2594
01:49:16,759 --> 01:49:18,845
And they called him a corn poke.
2595
01:49:19,137 --> 01:49:21,556
And that's when he just breaks
his neck,
2596
01:49:21,848 --> 01:49:24,517
and, I don't know, once again
he felt like ostracized
2597
01:49:24,809 --> 01:49:25,935
and like he didn't fit in.
2598
01:49:26,227 --> 01:49:27,812
Maybe he was just there
to party.
2599
01:49:28,104 --> 01:49:29,104
I don't know.
2600
01:49:29,188 --> 01:49:31,232
Burn, motherfucker!
2601
01:49:31,524 --> 01:49:35,111
But shooting that sequence
is really tough
2602
01:49:35,403 --> 01:49:38,364
because lighting fire
in a dry cornfield
2603
01:49:38,656 --> 01:49:42,493
is the most dangerous request.
2604
01:49:42,785 --> 01:49:45,246
When they gave me the part
of Jason,
2605
01:49:45,538 --> 01:49:47,290
they made a point of telling me,
2606
01:49:47,582 --> 01:49:49,292
'Ken, you're an actor
on this movie.
2607
01:49:49,584 --> 01:49:51,264
We're going to have
a stunt double for you.
2608
01:49:51,544 --> 01:49:53,212
You know, we don't want you
getting hurt.'
2609
01:49:53,504 --> 01:49:56,215
And I went to them and I said,
'Listen, you know,
2610
01:49:56,507 --> 01:49:58,827
there's one stunt I really,
really want to do in the movie,
2611
01:49:58,885 --> 01:50:01,095
and that's the fire burn
in the cornfield.'
2612
01:50:01,387 --> 01:50:04,265
Very, very dangerous because
you could only,
2613
01:50:04,557 --> 01:50:06,601
an actor or stunt actor
could only be in a burn suit
2614
01:50:06,893 --> 01:50:09,395
and burn for 30 seconds maximum.
2615
01:50:09,687 --> 01:50:10,563
And they wouldn't let me do it.
2616
01:50:10,855 --> 01:50:12,899
And I was really disappointed
2617
01:50:13,191 --> 01:50:15,068
because that should have won the
stuntman's awards that year.
2618
01:50:15,359 --> 01:50:19,238
You know, the big top shot
of seeing this burning,
2619
01:50:19,530 --> 01:50:21,824
burning figure just running,
2620
01:50:22,116 --> 01:50:24,660
running across the cornfield
2621
01:50:24,952 --> 01:50:27,246
creating a path, for me,
that visual, that image is,
2622
01:50:27,538 --> 01:50:30,083
I thought is fantastic.
2623
01:50:30,374 --> 01:50:32,335
It took forever for them
to figure out
2624
01:50:32,627 --> 01:50:34,837
how to keep this machete
on fire.
2625
01:50:35,129 --> 01:50:37,298
They had to keep putting like
petroleum
2626
01:50:37,590 --> 01:50:38,716
and all this stuff, and we would
do like part of a take
2627
01:50:39,008 --> 01:50:41,135
and then it would burn out.
2628
01:50:41,427 --> 01:50:44,305
And, so, that was a very, very
long night of shooting.
2629
01:50:44,597 --> 01:50:46,349
Some of the extras,
some of the kids,
2630
01:50:46,641 --> 01:50:50,061
didn't know that a burning Jason
2631
01:50:50,353 --> 01:50:52,980
going to dash out
from the cornfield.
2632
01:50:53,272 --> 01:50:57,276
So some of the reaction
from their faces are real.
2633
01:50:57,568 --> 01:51:00,530
Jason probably did more damage,
had more carnage in that scene
2634
01:51:00,822 --> 01:51:03,199
than several of the movies
he's been in before.
2635
01:51:03,491 --> 01:51:05,201
We need those pills.
2636
01:51:05,493 --> 01:51:07,120
Can you get us back
to Westin Hills?
2637
01:51:07,411 --> 01:51:09,205
We're going to get some of
the Hypnocil
2638
01:51:09,497 --> 01:51:11,537
so that we don't dream,
so that Freddy can't get us.
2639
01:51:11,582 --> 01:51:13,376
Jason shows up and starts
causing shit,
2640
01:51:13,668 --> 01:51:15,670
as he is want to do.
2641
01:51:15,962 --> 01:51:20,216
He had to break through
the glass door with the machete
2642
01:51:20,508 --> 01:51:21,843
and Kelly Rowland and I
2643
01:51:22,135 --> 01:51:25,847
were screaming at the top
of our lungs.
2644
01:51:26,139 --> 01:51:30,268
L've never been... so terrified,
2645
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:33,479
and I didn't know the line
between reality and fantasy.
2646
01:51:33,771 --> 01:51:35,690
My favorite personal part
of the film is,
2647
01:51:35,982 --> 01:51:37,859
for my character,
is the big standoff
2648
01:51:38,151 --> 01:51:39,671
where I'm actually
possessed by Freddy.
2649
01:51:39,902 --> 01:51:41,737
Let me handle this, bitch.
2650
01:51:42,029 --> 01:51:43,948
And Jason comes down
the hallway,
2651
01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:46,159
and he comes up
and ba-bam into the neck,
2652
01:51:46,450 --> 01:51:49,662
plunge him in...
2653
01:51:49,954 --> 01:51:54,000
Sliced right in half.
2654
01:51:54,292 --> 01:51:55,692
Which is a pretty awesome way
to go.
2655
01:51:55,835 --> 01:51:58,796
You need to have one guy
2656
01:51:59,088 --> 01:52:03,050
that the audience should invest
a little bit of their emotion.
2657
01:52:03,342 --> 01:52:06,053
And for me, personally,
2658
01:52:06,345 --> 01:52:09,140
I thought we should invest
a little bit more on Jason.
2659
01:52:09,432 --> 01:52:11,350
Dude, that goalie was pissed
about something.
2660
01:52:11,642 --> 01:52:14,020
Freddy obviously, even before he
became Freddy Krueger
2661
01:52:14,312 --> 01:52:16,232
and was a burn victim
and this crazy dream demon,
2662
01:52:16,522 --> 01:52:18,149
he was a bad guy.
2663
01:52:18,441 --> 01:52:23,446
Jason was just trying to go to
camp and have a good summer.
2664
01:52:23,738 --> 01:52:25,907
When Lori enters the
dream world of Jason Voorhees,
2665
01:52:26,199 --> 01:52:28,492
she witnesses
the childhood tragedy
2666
01:52:28,784 --> 01:52:31,454
that unleashed his inner rage.
2667
01:52:31,746 --> 01:52:34,624
In FREDDY VS. JASON
you see him confronted by fears
2668
01:52:34,916 --> 01:52:38,377
that he never had before
or people didn't realize
2669
01:52:38,669 --> 01:52:40,129
or wasn't shown
in the other movies.
2670
01:52:40,421 --> 01:52:46,093
So you are afraid of something
after all, huh?
2671
01:52:46,385 --> 01:52:48,512
Just knowing myself,
I would have tried to fight
2672
01:52:48,804 --> 01:52:51,474
against the Jason-fearing-water
part of that movie.
2673
01:52:51,766 --> 01:52:54,560
I just want to put
the record straight.
2674
01:52:54,852 --> 01:52:56,729
We never said that Jason
was afraid of water.
2675
01:52:57,021 --> 01:52:58,981
We never wrote that.
That was not in our script.
2676
01:52:59,273 --> 01:53:00,316
- Very important.
- That was not in our screenplay.
2677
01:53:00,608 --> 01:53:01,234
That would, that came
afterwards.
2678
01:53:01,525 --> 01:53:02,860
That was in a re-write.
2679
01:53:03,152 --> 01:53:06,197
All we wanted to do was say
2680
01:53:06,489 --> 01:53:09,951
that Jason perhaps would have
a subconscious fear of drowning.
2681
01:53:10,243 --> 01:53:12,787
And there was some debate of,
2682
01:53:13,079 --> 01:53:17,291
in that scene where you see
Freddy's blade
2683
01:53:17,583 --> 01:53:22,129
going into the little
poor kid's brain.
2684
01:53:22,421 --> 01:53:25,299
But there is a flashback to when
I go back to Camp Crystal Lake
2685
01:53:25,591 --> 01:53:27,218
to try to save him.
2686
01:53:27,510 --> 01:53:29,870
I really genuinely cared for him
and saw him in a new light.
2687
01:53:30,137 --> 01:53:32,177
I got to see him as
a little boy that was picked on.
2688
01:53:32,306 --> 01:53:33,516
If I had been there,
2689
01:53:33,808 --> 01:53:35,142
I would have killed all those
horrible camp counselors
2690
01:53:35,434 --> 01:53:36,936
and stuff.
2691
01:53:37,228 --> 01:53:37,979
Throwing him in the lake
and teasing him.
2692
01:53:38,271 --> 01:53:39,397
It was awful.
2693
01:53:39,689 --> 01:53:41,857
JASON VOORHEES?!
2694
01:53:42,149 --> 01:53:44,235
And sort of for the first time,
I think,
2695
01:53:44,527 --> 01:53:47,113
in FREDDY VS. JASON,
they touched on that,
2696
01:53:47,405 --> 01:53:49,125
and I think that would be
really interesting
2697
01:53:49,156 --> 01:53:50,700
to get into Jason's head more.
2698
01:53:50,992 --> 01:53:53,828
While Elm Street is
said to be located
2699
01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:56,455
in the fictional town
of Springwood, Ohio,
2700
01:53:56,747 --> 01:54:00,001
Crystal Lake is approximately
600 miles away
2701
01:54:00,293 --> 01:54:02,545
in rural New Jersey.
2702
01:54:02,837 --> 01:54:05,840
Fans have asked,
how were Lori and her friends
2703
01:54:06,132 --> 01:54:08,718
able to get Jason back to
Crystal Lake in record time?
2704
01:54:09,010 --> 01:54:11,595
Where is Crystal Lake located?
2705
01:54:11,887 --> 01:54:14,181
That was a big problem for us
in FREDDY VS. JASON.
2706
01:54:14,473 --> 01:54:17,059
We had to get them
to be able to drive there.
2707
01:54:17,351 --> 01:54:18,561
But for us it was important
that it was far,
2708
01:54:18,853 --> 01:54:20,813
like those two things.
2709
01:54:21,105 --> 01:54:21,856
So we had all these scenes
where they were going like
2710
01:54:22,148 --> 01:54:23,190
all night and all day,
and of course,
2711
01:54:23,482 --> 01:54:24,922
when the movie gets cut
it looks like
2712
01:54:25,151 --> 01:54:26,110
they're like right next
to each other.
2713
01:54:26,402 --> 01:54:27,695
Look, we're almost there.
2714
01:54:27,987 --> 01:54:30,990
Jason is in the back of a van.
2715
01:54:31,282 --> 01:54:32,908
They've got him all taped up,
and they've been drugging him.
2716
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:35,870
Kelly Rowland despised the scene
2717
01:54:36,162 --> 01:54:37,842
where she had to give Jason
mouth-to-mouth.
2718
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:40,124
As much as I'm saying
I loved Jason now,
2719
01:54:40,416 --> 01:54:44,086
and I have a certain compassion
and empathy for him,
2720
01:54:44,378 --> 01:54:45,963
I don't know that I'd want to
give him mouth-to-mouth.
2721
01:54:46,255 --> 01:54:47,840
[sputtering sounds]
2722
01:54:48,132 --> 01:54:51,135
And then the drugs wear off, and
the van flips,
2723
01:54:51,427 --> 01:54:53,307
and he comes shooting out
of the back of the van
2724
01:54:53,387 --> 01:54:55,014
which is probably the biggest
stunt I did on the movie.
2725
01:54:55,306 --> 01:54:58,267
The mother of all battles
between Jason and Freddy
2726
01:54:58,559 --> 01:55:00,978
is waged in the real world,
2727
01:55:01,270 --> 01:55:03,105
and on Jason's home turf.
2728
01:55:03,397 --> 01:55:05,733
The moment of truth had arrived.
2729
01:55:06,025 --> 01:55:08,903
For fans awaiting the ultimate
slasher slugfest,
2730
01:55:09,195 --> 01:55:12,573
the time had come
to place their bets.
2731
01:55:12,865 --> 01:55:16,994
My philosophy is everything
in the movie
2732
01:55:17,286 --> 01:55:20,164
should set up for the end fight.
2733
01:55:20,456 --> 01:55:23,334
Yeah, that was an amazing,
amazing finale there.
2734
01:55:23,626 --> 01:55:26,754
I'm like wrestling with
a 6 foot 7 Canadian stuntman
2735
01:55:27,046 --> 01:55:28,881
who's been in over 100 movies
2736
01:55:29,173 --> 01:55:30,591
and is buff and hard and can
drink me under the table,
2737
01:55:30,883 --> 01:55:32,385
and it was a rough shoot.
2738
01:55:32,676 --> 01:55:34,387
I did a lot of my stunts.
2739
01:55:34,678 --> 01:55:35,846
You know, I think Freddy got
the best of that one.
2740
01:55:36,138 --> 01:55:38,057
He's pretty much kicking his ass
the whole time.
2741
01:55:38,349 --> 01:55:39,433
I think there were a couple
moments where I felt
2742
01:55:39,725 --> 01:55:40,976
kind of maybe crossed the line
a little bit,
2743
01:55:41,268 --> 01:55:42,228
where we wanted to have Jason
to kick his ass
2744
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:43,229
a little bit more.
2745
01:55:43,521 --> 01:55:45,147
Hey, asshole!
2746
01:55:45,439 --> 01:55:47,650
Originally in ours it was
2747
01:55:47,942 --> 01:55:49,735
- He calls him a mama's boy.
- Mama's boy.
2748
01:55:50,027 --> 01:55:51,612
Which I thought was
good, you know.
2749
01:55:51,904 --> 01:55:53,322
He's a little character related.
Calls Jason a mama's boy.
2750
01:55:53,614 --> 01:55:55,616
And they changed it
to 'Hey, Asshole.'
2751
01:55:55,908 --> 01:55:58,244
And I remember backing up
in the scene and saying...
2752
01:55:58,536 --> 01:56:02,331
Freddy vs. Jason,
place your bets!
2753
01:56:02,623 --> 01:56:04,792
And it never actually ended up
being in the movie.
2754
01:56:05,084 --> 01:56:07,336
I still don't know
why they cut it.
2755
01:56:07,628 --> 01:56:11,507
Place your bet was not in
script, and I didn't shoot it.
2756
01:56:11,799 --> 01:56:14,718
It's basically just for the,
for the trailer.
2757
01:56:15,010 --> 01:56:18,639
Quentin Tarantino saw the movie
and was so disappointed.
2758
01:56:18,931 --> 01:56:20,331
He went to the premiere
and he said,
2759
01:56:20,391 --> 01:56:21,559
'Where's the place your bets?
2760
01:56:21,851 --> 01:56:22,977
That's what made me
want to see it.'
2761
01:56:23,269 --> 01:56:25,980
At the end with the set piece,
2762
01:56:26,272 --> 01:56:29,316
we involved with all different
special effects,
2763
01:56:29,608 --> 01:56:35,823
like, you know, fire, water,
wind, smoke, explosions.
2764
01:56:36,115 --> 01:56:37,575
One of the bloodiest battles
you'll ever see in a movie.
2765
01:56:37,867 --> 01:56:39,187
And that was all
Ronny Yu's doing.
2766
01:56:39,285 --> 01:56:41,745
And none of it was CG.
2767
01:56:42,037 --> 01:56:45,749
We'd have sometimes six hoses
going in
2768
01:56:46,041 --> 01:56:47,793
and blood spraying everywhere
and Ronny still screaming,
2769
01:56:48,085 --> 01:56:50,337
'More blood! More blood!
2770
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:51,755
We were like, this looks like
a Monty Python movie,
2771
01:56:52,047 --> 01:56:53,007
I mean the amount
of blood spraying,
2772
01:56:53,299 --> 01:56:54,299
it was unbelievable.
2773
01:56:54,508 --> 01:56:56,093
So over the top,
2774
01:56:56,385 --> 01:56:58,220
the violence and everything
2775
01:56:58,512 --> 01:57:01,056
that the audience
would laugh at the violence
2776
01:57:01,348 --> 01:57:03,642
rather than really affected
by the violence.
2777
01:57:03,934 --> 01:57:06,937
Jason, he and I
almost became teammates.
2778
01:57:07,229 --> 01:57:09,815
And we were both against Freddy,
2779
01:57:10,107 --> 01:57:13,152
and he actually saved my life
in the end
2780
01:57:13,444 --> 01:57:16,405
when Freddy was about to kill
me on the dock
2781
01:57:16,697 --> 01:57:17,857
at the very end of the movie.
2782
01:57:17,948 --> 01:57:19,283
And so he was protecting me.
2783
01:57:19,575 --> 01:57:22,828
Welcome to my world - BITCH!
2784
01:57:23,120 --> 01:57:25,040
He allowed me to be able to
cut Freddy's head off
2785
01:57:25,164 --> 01:57:26,165
at the end and kill him.
2786
01:57:26,457 --> 01:57:28,667
And I really felt like he and I
2787
01:57:28,959 --> 01:57:31,962
had some sort of bond
or connection.
2788
01:57:32,254 --> 01:57:34,423
Out of respect, I throw
the machete back in the water.
2789
01:57:34,715 --> 01:57:36,800
So in the end who won?
2790
01:57:37,092 --> 01:57:38,636
The claw or the machete?
2791
01:57:38,928 --> 01:57:40,262
Fans of both franchises
2792
01:57:40,554 --> 01:57:42,723
were equally passionate,
2793
01:57:43,015 --> 01:57:45,575
and New Line feared that tipping
the scales in either one's favor
2794
01:57:45,643 --> 01:57:47,937
would alienate just as many
as it would appease.
2795
01:57:48,229 --> 01:57:50,856
I always have problem
with the original ending.
2796
01:57:51,148 --> 01:57:52,191
I hated the ending.
2797
01:57:52,483 --> 01:57:55,986
I thought is a wrong focus.
2798
01:57:56,278 --> 01:58:00,282
Well, the original ending was
that it's six months later,
2799
01:58:00,574 --> 01:58:02,952
and Jason Ritter and I
are in bed together
2800
01:58:03,244 --> 01:58:08,582
and then he turns into Freddy
at the end.
2801
01:58:08,874 --> 01:58:11,001
Which I thought
was really interesting.
2802
01:58:11,293 --> 01:58:15,256
And we test screened it and then
the audience loved the movie
2803
01:58:15,548 --> 01:58:17,466
but hated the ending.
2804
01:58:17,758 --> 01:58:19,843
That's how they decided to do
the re-shoot
2805
01:58:20,135 --> 01:58:22,513
which I was a part of.
2806
01:58:22,805 --> 01:58:25,766
Originally I was up for
the role of Jason,
2807
01:58:26,058 --> 01:58:29,228
and I had had several callbacks
for the part,
2808
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:31,855
but months later I got a call
to do the re-shoots
2809
01:58:32,147 --> 01:58:33,627
to play Jason
and I was just thrilled.
2810
01:58:33,774 --> 01:58:35,484
I was like, 'Oh my God.
2811
01:58:35,776 --> 01:58:36,735
I'm going to actually
get to do this.'
2812
01:58:37,027 --> 01:58:39,613
Not only did I get to step
behind that mask,
2813
01:58:39,905 --> 01:58:43,033
but I got to play Jason
in a film
2814
01:58:43,325 --> 01:58:45,494
with Robert Englund,
Freddy Krueger.
2815
01:58:45,786 --> 01:58:48,581
Ultimately, FREDDY VS. JASON
2816
01:58:48,872 --> 01:58:51,125
would end not with a whimper
or a bang...
2817
01:58:51,417 --> 01:58:53,043
but a wink.
2818
01:58:53,335 --> 01:58:57,673
I would say that Jason
won the fight,
2819
01:58:57,965 --> 01:58:59,967
but the war might not be over.
2820
01:59:00,259 --> 01:59:01,635
Look, Freddy's the one
who doesn't have a head
2821
01:59:01,927 --> 01:59:04,263
at the end of it,
now granted he winks.
2822
01:59:04,555 --> 01:59:06,475
But I think the ending,
what was great about that
2823
01:59:06,682 --> 01:59:08,017
was the great Rorschach test
for the fans.
2824
01:59:08,309 --> 01:59:10,109
You got the Robert
Englund/Freddy Krueger fans
2825
01:59:10,394 --> 01:59:11,520
who say Robert Englund won.
2826
01:59:11,812 --> 01:59:12,021
You got the Jason fans
say Jason won.
2827
01:59:12,313 --> 01:59:15,858
It's kind of left up in the air.
2828
01:59:16,150 --> 01:59:17,610
It gets people talking.
2829
01:59:17,901 --> 01:59:19,737
I spent three years
2830
01:59:20,029 --> 01:59:20,779
working in the professional
wrestling industry,
2831
01:59:21,071 --> 01:59:22,406
so I learned very early on
2832
01:59:22,698 --> 01:59:23,824
that even if someone
seems to have won,
2833
01:59:24,116 --> 01:59:25,200
the feud will go on.
2834
01:59:25,492 --> 01:59:27,453
Freddy or Jason, who won?
2835
01:59:27,745 --> 01:59:30,581
Me! I won!
2836
01:59:30,873 --> 01:59:35,085
I made Freddy defeat Jason
and then I killed Freddy!
2837
01:59:35,377 --> 01:59:38,172
So I'm the winner.
I'm the victor. I won!
2838
01:59:38,464 --> 01:59:40,507
In anticipation
of the film's release,
2839
01:59:40,799 --> 01:59:44,053
New Line put the FREDDY
VS. JASON publicity machine
2840
01:59:44,345 --> 01:59:46,889
into hyper-drive with
a pre-fight press conference
2841
01:59:47,181 --> 01:59:49,099
and boxing event
held in Las Vegas.
2842
01:59:49,391 --> 01:59:52,019
What's the matter?
2843
01:59:52,311 --> 01:59:53,479
Can't you speak for yourself,
hockey puck?
2844
01:59:53,771 --> 01:59:56,857
Soon Jason Voorhees
was everywhere.
2845
01:59:57,149 --> 01:59:59,777
From officially licensed
hats and mugs,
2846
02:00:00,069 --> 02:00:03,405
to comic books and even
children's lunch boxes.
2847
02:00:03,697 --> 02:00:06,158
And for the first time in his
more than twenty-year history,
2848
02:00:06,450 --> 02:00:09,870
Jason was even given a proper
Hollywood premiere.
2849
02:00:10,162 --> 02:00:12,206
It's something the fans
have wanted.
2850
02:00:12,498 --> 02:00:16,460
It was, that's really
a fan-inspired film,
2851
02:00:16,752 --> 02:00:19,963
and that's probably one reason
it did 135 million worldwide.
2852
02:00:20,255 --> 02:00:21,382
When the movie came out it was
the highest horror opening
2853
02:00:21,674 --> 02:00:23,467
of all time,
2854
02:00:23,759 --> 02:00:25,839
and I think it was the highest
grossing of the bunch.
2855
02:00:26,011 --> 02:00:29,056
I think it opened to $25 million
or something the first weekend.
2856
02:00:29,348 --> 02:00:30,683
It was incredible.
2857
02:00:30,974 --> 02:00:32,768
But to those who toiled
in the early years
2858
02:00:33,060 --> 02:00:34,728
of both franchises,
2859
02:00:35,020 --> 02:00:39,483
FREDDY VS. JASON was more hype
than holy grail.
2860
02:00:39,775 --> 02:00:43,362
After seeing the movie,
I guess I was kind of hoping
2861
02:00:43,654 --> 02:00:46,865
that I would see a scene to say,
2862
02:00:47,157 --> 02:00:48,909
'Oh, that's why.'
2863
02:00:49,201 --> 02:00:53,831
But honestly there's nothing in
the movie that I saw
2864
02:00:54,123 --> 02:00:56,834
that I wouldn't have been able
to do.
2865
02:00:57,126 --> 02:00:59,461
I went to see the film.
2866
02:00:59,753 --> 02:01:02,464
I found it really
just kind of brutal
2867
02:01:02,756 --> 02:01:05,175
without being very imaginative.
2868
02:01:05,467 --> 02:01:06,844
I love Ronny and I think he did
an excellent job?
2869
02:01:07,136 --> 02:01:09,136
But you know, he was maybe
a little more influenced
2870
02:01:09,221 --> 02:01:11,432
by WWE type stuff and you know,
2871
02:01:11,724 --> 02:01:13,100
you can see that in the film,
and that's not a criticism.
2872
02:01:13,392 --> 02:01:14,768
But definitely
in our screenplay,
2873
02:01:15,060 --> 02:01:16,270
we thought that there
would be scenes,
2874
02:01:16,562 --> 02:01:18,082
maybe there'd be
a little more tension.
2875
02:01:18,313 --> 02:01:19,106
While it's got its faults,
I think it was pretty true
2876
02:01:19,398 --> 02:01:21,108
to the spirit of those
characters
2877
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:23,068
and tried to show a little love
for the continuity
2878
02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:25,487
which was very much intentional.
2879
02:01:25,779 --> 02:01:28,073
It was able to sort of help
breathe a little new life back
2880
02:01:28,365 --> 02:01:30,033
into the genre on the whole.
2881
02:01:30,325 --> 02:01:32,619
After the film's record-breaking
success,
2882
02:01:32,911 --> 02:01:35,497
the question
was inevitably asked,
2883
02:01:35,789 --> 02:01:37,750
would there be a rematch?
2884
02:01:38,041 --> 02:01:41,044
At that time I just thought,
you know, great.
2885
02:01:41,336 --> 02:01:43,672
We should do
THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY
2886
02:01:43,964 --> 02:01:47,426
type of movie with the HALLOWEEN
guy, you know.
2887
02:01:47,718 --> 02:01:50,471
The Myer vs. Jason vs. Freddy.
2888
02:01:50,763 --> 02:01:52,139
But then you've got two kind of
quiet killers.
2889
02:01:52,431 --> 02:01:53,974
I think it's kind of
an overkill there.
2890
02:01:54,266 --> 02:01:55,642
There were some interesting
ideas at one time.
2891
02:01:55,934 --> 02:01:58,103
There was a, you know,
a Freddy vs. Ash vs. Jason
2892
02:01:58,395 --> 02:02:00,272
that was talked about
2893
02:02:00,564 --> 02:02:02,941
which I think that Sam Raimi
wanted Bruce Campbell to win
2894
02:02:03,233 --> 02:02:04,359
which I thought was
a terrific idea.
2895
02:02:04,651 --> 02:02:06,862
You know, making the world
safe from sequels... Ash.
2896
02:02:07,154 --> 02:02:09,072
Sam and the camp
are very interested.
2897
02:02:09,364 --> 02:02:11,244
We negotiated sort of on and off
over two years.
2898
02:02:11,492 --> 02:02:12,743
As is the nature of Hollywood,
deal making,
2899
02:02:13,035 --> 02:02:14,161
it comes and it goes.
2900
02:02:14,453 --> 02:02:16,121
We try again
and it comes and it goes
2901
02:02:16,413 --> 02:02:18,123
until ultimately the deal's
just not going to make.
2902
02:02:18,415 --> 02:02:19,082
Well, I love EVIL DEAD.
I love EVIL DEAD II.
2903
02:02:19,374 --> 02:02:20,374
I love Ash.
2904
02:02:20,417 --> 02:02:22,002
Groovy!
2905
02:02:22,294 --> 02:02:24,414
But I think that that would
be even harder than it was
2906
02:02:24,546 --> 02:02:25,255
to pull off FREDDY VS. JASON
and as you can see,
2907
02:02:25,547 --> 02:02:27,257
it wasn't that easy.
2908
02:02:27,549 --> 02:02:28,634
But I think that's perfect
idea for a comic.
2909
02:02:28,926 --> 02:02:30,594
Several years later
in actuality,
2910
02:02:30,886 --> 02:02:32,012
David lmhoff at New Line
Licensing at the time said,
2911
02:02:32,304 --> 02:02:34,348
'You know what?
2912
02:02:34,640 --> 02:02:35,974
We should take the treatment
that I had written for the film
2913
02:02:36,266 --> 02:02:37,142
and let's go do this
and do it as a comic.
2914
02:02:37,434 --> 02:02:39,520
At my last horror convention,
2915
02:02:39,812 --> 02:02:42,397
one of these fans brought up
to me this comic book
2916
02:02:42,689 --> 02:02:45,692
FREDDY VS. JASON VS. ASH
and I said,
2917
02:02:45,984 --> 02:02:47,584
'Where did you get this?
This is amazing.
2918
02:02:47,778 --> 02:02:48,904
This is what the sequel
was supposed to be.'
2919
02:02:49,196 --> 02:02:50,489
And he said, 'I know.
2920
02:02:50,781 --> 02:02:53,617
Do you want to see it?
You're in it.'
2921
02:02:53,909 --> 02:02:54,493
The heroine from the first one
always has to die pretty quickly
2922
02:02:54,785 --> 02:02:56,829
in the second one.
2923
02:02:57,120 --> 02:02:59,540
But you know who kills me?
2924
02:02:59,832 --> 02:03:02,042
Jason.
2925
02:03:02,334 --> 02:03:06,755
Two pages in, I have a machete
hacking through my head.
2926
02:03:07,047 --> 02:03:08,967
And he wouldn't even have that
machete to kill me
2927
02:03:09,132 --> 02:03:11,343
unless I returned it to him.
I did the right thing.
2928
02:03:11,635 --> 02:03:14,721
And then he cuts
my face in half?
2929
02:03:15,013 --> 02:03:16,974
Freddy hadn't even shown up
on the scene yet.
2930
02:03:17,266 --> 02:03:20,185
I changed my mind.
He doesn't have morals.
2931
02:03:20,477 --> 02:03:22,229
He's just a heartless,
soulless killer.
2932
02:03:22,521 --> 02:03:24,731
I'm very honored
and at a large level
2933
02:03:25,023 --> 02:03:27,609
kind of humbled
that in comics now
2934
02:03:27,901 --> 02:03:29,221
we sort of have
the responsibility
2935
02:03:29,361 --> 02:03:30,961
of keeping the original
continuity going,
2936
02:03:30,988 --> 02:03:33,699
and FREDDY-JASON-ASH because it
was going to be
2937
02:03:33,991 --> 02:03:34,366
the legitimate sequel
and that was the take
2938
02:03:34,658 --> 02:03:36,410
we were going to use,
2939
02:03:36,702 --> 02:03:38,787
it's an incredible honor
because it's basically,
2940
02:03:39,079 --> 02:03:41,373
to the fans like myself that
care about the continuity
2941
02:03:41,665 --> 02:03:42,541
and want to know
where Tommy Jarvis has been
2942
02:03:42,833 --> 02:03:44,585
and what he's doing,
2943
02:03:44,877 --> 02:03:46,211
it's a thrill to get to kind of
deliver that
2944
02:03:46,503 --> 02:03:47,754
for them ultimately.
2945
02:03:48,046 --> 02:03:49,423
And at least let the people
2946
02:03:49,715 --> 02:03:51,216
that want to keep
the Freddy and Jason
2947
02:03:51,508 --> 02:03:52,788
that they grew up with and love,
2948
02:03:52,885 --> 02:03:55,178
let them sort of keep
living on in another medium
2949
02:03:55,470 --> 02:03:57,510
while these new sort of
re-interpretations are done.
2950
02:03:57,556 --> 02:03:59,850
Of course I'm very happy
and very excited
2951
02:04:00,142 --> 02:04:01,518
with the end result.
2952
02:04:01,810 --> 02:04:04,187
But more importantly,
2953
02:04:04,479 --> 02:04:06,273
I just felt
that my instinct was right
2954
02:04:06,565 --> 02:04:09,401
in the very, very beginning.
2955
02:04:09,693 --> 02:04:13,697
I'm so happy that the audience
also endorsed that,
2956
02:04:13,989 --> 02:04:16,950
endorsed my gut feeling.
2957
02:04:17,242 --> 02:04:18,869
You know, we love
NIGHTMARE and FRIDAY,
2958
02:04:19,161 --> 02:04:23,248
and, you know, we were, you
know, stewards of it, I guess,
2959
02:04:23,540 --> 02:04:24,708
a little bit, you know,
for a short period of time,
2960
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:26,793
and, you know, we always try
to do our best.
2961
02:04:27,085 --> 02:04:28,805
We always put our,
you know, the fans first,
2962
02:04:28,962 --> 02:04:30,762
and, you know, hopefully
some people out there
2963
02:04:30,881 --> 02:04:35,881
think we did an okay job.
2964
02:04:47,022 --> 02:04:49,303
Two months after the box office
smash of FREDDY VS. JASON,
2965
02:04:49,441 --> 02:04:52,778
another horror icon was given
a new lease on life
2966
02:04:53,070 --> 02:04:57,074
With 2003s
THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE.
2967
02:04:57,366 --> 02:05:00,577
This time, it was neither
a sequel nor a crossover
2968
02:05:00,869 --> 02:05:01,703
that left audiences screaming.
2969
02:05:01,995 --> 02:05:04,665
It was a remake.
2970
02:05:04,957 --> 02:05:08,085
If the mother of all slasher
films was no longer sacred,
2971
02:05:08,377 --> 02:05:11,505
then a remake of FRIDAY
THE 13TH seemed inevitable.
2972
02:05:11,797 --> 02:05:14,007
Platinum Dunes is a company
I started with Michael Bay
2973
02:05:14,299 --> 02:05:15,717
and Andrew Form,
my two partners,
2974
02:05:16,009 --> 02:05:19,179
and I knew that New Line had
the rights to FRIDAY THE 13TH.
2975
02:05:19,471 --> 02:05:20,305
That was a title that we'd
always talked about
2976
02:05:20,597 --> 02:05:21,682
wanting to make.
2977
02:05:21,974 --> 02:05:23,600
I guess when you do a remake
2978
02:05:23,892 --> 02:05:25,936
you sort of play
with people's expectations.
2979
02:05:26,228 --> 02:05:29,731
You try to know
what those expectations are
2980
02:05:30,023 --> 02:05:31,858
and you give them what they want
2981
02:05:32,150 --> 02:05:34,653
but not what they expect.
2982
02:05:34,945 --> 02:05:37,614
I rang Marcus up and I said,
'Marcus, you know,
2983
02:05:37,906 --> 02:05:40,075
I'm not quite sure
why we're doing this film.'
2984
02:05:40,367 --> 02:05:45,163
And he explained to me that he
had enjoyed a great success
2985
02:05:45,455 --> 02:05:49,459
with THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE
remake and that, you know,
2986
02:05:49,751 --> 02:05:51,031
basically he was taking
this film
2987
02:05:51,211 --> 02:05:53,130
because he felt like his
career needed
2988
02:05:53,422 --> 02:05:54,756
that shot in the arm again.
2989
02:05:55,048 --> 02:05:57,759
When I did
TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE
2990
02:05:58,051 --> 02:06:00,332
I was actually surprised to see
like the outcry, you know,
2991
02:06:00,429 --> 02:06:01,763
how dare they?
2992
02:06:02,055 --> 02:06:05,267
FRIDAY THE 13TH, in a Way,
2993
02:06:05,559 --> 02:06:09,062
it's less of a holy cow to bring
to the butchering block.
2994
02:06:09,354 --> 02:06:12,524
Aided by partner Michael Bay,
director of ARMAGEDDON,
2995
02:06:12,816 --> 02:06:14,776
PEARL HARBOR
and the TRANSFORMERS series,
2996
02:06:15,068 --> 02:06:17,487
the Platinum Dunes team
2997
02:06:17,779 --> 02:06:19,322
spent the better part of a year
securing the rights
2998
02:06:19,614 --> 02:06:20,991
from both studios.
2999
02:06:21,283 --> 02:06:23,785
Yet no one could see the point
3000
02:06:24,077 --> 02:06:26,872
of faithfully retelling
the story of Pamela Voorhees
3001
02:06:27,164 --> 02:06:29,332
and her murderous rampage
at Camp Crystal Lake.
3002
02:06:29,624 --> 02:06:32,878
The audience wanted Jason.
3003
02:06:33,170 --> 02:06:36,882
So the producers brought back
two of the series' biggest fans
3004
02:06:37,174 --> 02:06:40,886
to conceive a new vision
of FRIDAY THE 13TH.
3005
02:06:41,178 --> 02:06:43,178
Shannon: As kind of a reaction
to FREDDY VS. JASON,
3006
02:06:43,388 --> 02:06:44,548
we wanted to adjust the tone.
3007
02:06:44,639 --> 02:06:46,141
Yeah.
3008
02:06:46,433 --> 02:06:48,185
We wanted to make this
less goofy.
3009
02:06:48,477 --> 02:06:49,853
Yeah.
3010
02:06:50,145 --> 02:06:54,733
More serious, a little
harder edge.
3011
02:06:55,025 --> 02:06:56,568
Jason didn't kill
in the first movie as we know,
3012
02:06:56,860 --> 02:06:58,904
and we didn't want
to make a movie
3013
02:06:59,196 --> 02:07:01,636
where, that didn't have Jason,
that had Mrs. Voorhees killing.
3014
02:07:01,698 --> 02:07:04,659
So we took elements
of the first four.
3015
02:07:04,951 --> 02:07:06,791
We didn't really ever
think of it as number 12.
3016
02:07:06,953 --> 02:07:07,996
It was like, you know,
this could be
3017
02:07:08,288 --> 02:07:09,206
like we're starting
all over again.
3018
02:07:09,498 --> 02:07:10,938
This is the story
from the beginning.
3019
02:07:11,124 --> 02:07:13,001
There are many words for making
a movie again,
3020
02:07:13,293 --> 02:07:14,836
I think retelling is a
fashionable one right now.
3021
02:07:15,128 --> 02:07:17,130
Definitely not a re-imagining
3022
02:07:17,422 --> 02:07:19,716
because we are just basically
going back
3023
02:07:20,008 --> 02:07:21,448
to what Jason was
in the first place.
3024
02:07:21,510 --> 02:07:23,430
It could have been called
a sequel in my opinion.
3025
02:07:23,553 --> 02:07:25,347
A mash up, or a poupou platter.
3026
02:07:25,639 --> 02:07:28,016
More of a hybrid.
3027
02:07:28,308 --> 02:07:29,309
- It was a reboot.
- A reintroduction.
3028
02:07:29,601 --> 02:07:30,477
- A potpourri.
- A greatest hits.
3029
02:07:30,769 --> 02:07:32,479
I don't even really know
what it is.
3030
02:07:32,771 --> 02:07:34,523
From the get-go for me it was
always 'this is a reboot'
3031
02:07:34,815 --> 02:07:37,359
and that was sort of drilled
into our heads.
3032
02:07:37,651 --> 02:07:40,737
It's a re-box-officin-ing.
That's what it is.
3033
02:07:41,029 --> 02:07:44,449
It's sort of the Reader's
Digest of slasher films.
3034
02:07:44,741 --> 02:07:46,368
We did not want to say
none of these movies happened.
3035
02:07:46,660 --> 02:07:47,869
I mean, it was important for us
not to sort of say,
3036
02:07:48,161 --> 02:07:49,496
'Hey, we're starting over
and that didn't exist.
3037
02:07:49,788 --> 02:07:51,164
Absolutely.
3038
02:07:51,456 --> 02:07:52,896
That's not something
we wanted to do.
3039
02:07:53,041 --> 02:07:53,959
But, of course, you know, they
wanted to just call it
3040
02:07:54,251 --> 02:07:54,626
FRIDAY THE 13TH,
you know what I mean,
3041
02:07:54,918 --> 02:07:56,503
so it kind of started over.
3042
02:07:56,795 --> 02:07:57,587
But, you know, for me it
lives sort of in,
3043
02:07:57,879 --> 02:08:00,215
along with all the others.
3044
02:08:00,507 --> 02:08:02,384
It was really important to us
to go back to Crystal Lake.
3045
02:08:02,676 --> 02:08:04,094
It had been a long time since
Jason had been there,
3046
02:08:04,386 --> 02:08:07,264
and we loved the setting
of the camp.
3047
02:08:07,556 --> 02:08:10,100
This is really a New Jersey
story and for some reason,
3048
02:08:10,392 --> 02:08:11,752
we wound up shooting this
in Texas.
3049
02:08:11,977 --> 02:08:14,062
There weren't even camps
around, you know,
3050
02:08:14,354 --> 02:08:16,606
and not the right type of lakes.
3051
02:08:16,898 --> 02:08:21,361
I don't remember specifically
discussing
3052
02:08:21,653 --> 02:08:24,156
where we were geographically
in the United States.
3053
02:08:24,447 --> 02:08:26,447
I don't believe that's addressed
as to where it is.
3054
02:08:26,616 --> 02:08:28,702
I think it's kind of like
in THE SIMPSONS.
3055
02:08:28,994 --> 02:08:30,287
Crystal Lake, I mean, there's a
lot of Crystal Lakes out there.
3056
02:08:30,579 --> 02:08:32,414
You know, it could happen
anywhere.
3057
02:08:32,706 --> 02:08:34,207
Do you know how many lakes are
probably called Crystal Lake?
3058
02:08:34,499 --> 02:08:37,460
Crystal Geyser, Crystal Water.
3059
02:08:37,752 --> 02:08:40,672
For the next actor chosen to
wield the famous machete,
3060
02:08:40,964 --> 02:08:42,799
playing Jason wasn't
just another job,
3061
02:08:43,091 --> 02:08:45,427
it was the role of a lifetime.
3062
02:08:45,719 --> 02:08:48,763
I'm a huge fan of
the FRIDAY THE 13TH series.
3063
02:08:49,055 --> 02:08:51,391
It's my favorite horror series
of all time.
3064
02:08:51,683 --> 02:08:55,061
Derek Meats waked through
the door and, you know,
3065
02:08:55,353 --> 02:08:57,105
you don't know what to expect
after seeing his pictures
3066
02:08:57,397 --> 02:08:59,399
from past movies and clips
3067
02:08:59,691 --> 02:09:01,610
and he turns out to be
the sweetest guy.
3068
02:09:01,902 --> 02:09:02,819
And then you find out he
actually does cage fighting
3069
02:09:03,111 --> 02:09:05,322
as a hobby.
3070
02:09:05,614 --> 02:09:08,158
When I was in school, I have
a disorder called alopecia
3071
02:09:08,450 --> 02:09:12,162
which means my body sees hair
as a foreign obstacle
3072
02:09:12,454 --> 02:09:13,955
so it rejects it, and when it
started originally falling out,
3073
02:09:14,247 --> 02:09:14,915
it would fall out
in little patches,
3074
02:09:15,207 --> 02:09:16,708
little pieces here and there,
3075
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:17,876
and I was kind of the different
kid in school.
3076
02:09:18,168 --> 02:09:20,378
And I looked and I go,
'Oh my God,
3077
02:09:20,670 --> 02:09:24,299
I'm like a, I'm like a little
Jason, like we're similar.'
3078
02:09:24,591 --> 02:09:26,426
And so I kind of
had a relation there,
3079
02:09:26,718 --> 02:09:28,178
a tie to that character.
3080
02:09:28,470 --> 02:09:29,710
Derek Mears was the only person
3081
02:09:29,930 --> 02:09:32,265
we considered to play Jason
Voorhees.
3082
02:09:32,557 --> 02:09:34,267
When that phone call came in,
3083
02:09:34,559 --> 02:09:37,562
trying to be professional
and be stone-faced,
3084
02:09:37,854 --> 02:09:39,773
'Well, that sounds great.
Well, cool.
3085
02:09:40,065 --> 02:09:40,690
We'll work the days. Where are
we shooting? Fantastic.
3086
02:09:40,982 --> 02:09:42,275
We'll talk to the managers.'
3087
02:09:42,567 --> 02:09:43,652
But inside you're like
3088
02:09:43,944 --> 02:09:45,862
a 13-year-old cheerleader,
schoolgirl,
3089
02:09:46,154 --> 02:09:47,447
'Oh my god, that's amazing.'
3090
02:09:47,739 --> 02:09:49,074
The fact that Derek got to
come in
3091
02:09:49,366 --> 02:09:52,494
and recreate this character,
3092
02:09:52,786 --> 02:09:55,121
someone who is so passionate
about FRIDAY THE 13TH
3093
02:09:55,413 --> 02:09:59,668
as a whole and every film
that's come in the genre before,
3094
02:09:59,960 --> 02:10:02,212
I feel like it couldn't have
been a better fit.
3095
02:10:02,504 --> 02:10:05,590
He was constantly in his head,
3096
02:10:05,882 --> 02:10:07,882
talking to the producers,
talking to the directors,
3097
02:10:08,134 --> 02:10:09,814
what about this,
what about that, you know,
3098
02:10:10,095 --> 02:10:10,887
and he'd go through
different films.
3099
02:10:11,179 --> 02:10:12,681
Well, you know,
Jason did this before,
3100
02:10:12,973 --> 02:10:14,613
or are we going to do
something different?
3101
02:10:14,808 --> 02:10:16,408
When I approached the character
of Jason,
3102
02:10:16,601 --> 02:10:18,937
I did a lot of research
on child psychology
3103
02:10:19,229 --> 02:10:21,231
being that Jason saw his mother
get murdered in front of him
3104
02:10:21,523 --> 02:10:22,774
at such a young age,
3105
02:10:23,066 --> 02:10:24,693
being that he was an outcast
3106
02:10:24,985 --> 02:10:27,070
and teased and picked on
from all the other kids.
3107
02:10:27,362 --> 02:10:28,642
His mother,
his only tie to life,
3108
02:10:28,780 --> 02:10:29,980
that's his only source of love
3109
02:10:30,115 --> 02:10:30,949
and seeing that
taken away from him,
3110
02:10:31,241 --> 02:10:33,159
how does that affect a person?
3111
02:10:33,451 --> 02:10:36,288
It'll be easier for you
than it was for Jason.
3112
02:10:36,579 --> 02:10:40,375
This is about a victim who is
lashing out in vengeance
3113
02:10:40,667 --> 02:10:42,127
for the death of his mother.
3114
02:10:42,419 --> 02:10:45,672
You should have been watching
him... every minute!
3115
02:10:45,964 --> 02:10:48,008
Ultimately Jason's
still a person.
3116
02:10:48,300 --> 02:10:51,219
He's just a very damaged person
obviously.
3117
02:10:51,511 --> 02:10:54,764
So I think Derek
really wanted to explore that.
3118
02:10:55,056 --> 02:10:58,018
You know, he's been rejected by
society. That's his area.
3119
02:10:58,310 --> 02:11:00,228
And so when the kids
come into his area,
3120
02:11:00,520 --> 02:11:02,355
he's forced into a corner,
again,
3121
02:11:02,647 --> 02:11:05,650
kind of like a wild animal,
and he retaliates.
3122
02:11:05,942 --> 02:11:09,237
It's very similar to John Rambo
from the FIRST BLOOD series.
3123
02:11:09,529 --> 02:11:10,030
John Rambo: Don't push it or
I'll give you a war
3124
02:11:10,322 --> 02:11:12,198
you won't believe.
3125
02:11:12,490 --> 02:11:14,034
And the discussion was, 'ls he
running or is he walking?'
3126
02:11:14,326 --> 02:11:15,526
He ran in the first few films.
3127
02:11:15,660 --> 02:11:17,871
You know, in 2, 3,4
he was running.
3128
02:11:18,163 --> 02:11:19,331
Why not go back to that?
3129
02:11:19,622 --> 02:11:21,833
It feels like
if you see him running,
3130
02:11:22,125 --> 02:11:25,420
all 240 pounds of him
with that 4 foot machete,
3131
02:11:25,712 --> 02:11:28,548
that it feels scarier than
if he just pops up.
3132
02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:30,675
We actually shot a lot of scenes
kind of two different ways.
3133
02:11:30,967 --> 02:11:33,386
One was like more empathetic
3134
02:11:33,678 --> 02:11:36,681
so the audience could understand
and feel for Jason,
3135
02:11:36,973 --> 02:11:38,892
and one was more aggressive.
3136
02:11:39,184 --> 02:11:41,311
You know, it's not an easy job
wearing all that makeup
3137
02:11:41,603 --> 02:11:43,897
and running around and carrying
the machete,
3138
02:11:44,189 --> 02:11:48,109
and it's easy to get aggravated
and mean.
3139
02:11:48,401 --> 02:11:51,112
And every day he was a pleasure
to be around and just a happy,
3140
02:11:51,404 --> 02:11:53,114
grateful guy to work with.
3141
02:11:53,406 --> 02:11:54,616
There couldn't be a greater
contrast in personality
3142
02:11:54,908 --> 02:11:56,743
for a serial killer.
3143
02:11:57,035 --> 02:12:00,580
Derek is the nicest guy
that any of us have ever met,
3144
02:12:00,872 --> 02:12:03,166
perhaps the nicest guy
that exists on this planet.
3145
02:12:03,458 --> 02:12:04,918
I mean, it's so funny that for
someone who plays
3146
02:12:05,210 --> 02:12:06,628
such a dark and scary character,
3147
02:12:06,920 --> 02:12:09,297
he couldn't be a warmer,
more loving person
3148
02:12:09,589 --> 02:12:12,717
filled with more light.
I just think the world of him.
3149
02:12:13,009 --> 02:12:14,636
I'm ruining my bad-guy career
right now.
3150
02:12:14,928 --> 02:12:16,288
I'm going to have to
punch somebody
3151
02:12:16,471 --> 02:12:17,847
just to establish dominance.
3152
02:12:18,139 --> 02:12:20,642
When you discuss the makeup,
3153
02:12:20,934 --> 02:12:23,603
or the costume really that
Jason Voorhees is wearing
3154
02:12:23,895 --> 02:12:25,480
in our film,
that's Scott Stoddard.
3155
02:12:25,772 --> 02:12:29,484
I was inspired by the asymmetry
of what Tom did
3156
02:12:29,776 --> 02:12:30,777
for the original makeup
for the little kid,
3157
02:12:31,069 --> 02:12:33,363
and what was done then
in Part 4.
3158
02:12:33,655 --> 02:12:35,865
But I also really wanted to
combine what Carl Fuller did
3159
02:12:36,157 --> 02:12:37,742
and had done in Part 2.
3160
02:12:38,034 --> 02:12:41,079
I thought that kind of
mountain man, you know,
3161
02:12:41,371 --> 02:12:44,416
just longer hair falling out,
kind of grizzly looking guy,
3162
02:12:44,707 --> 02:12:46,387
was something that I wanted
to put into it.
3163
02:12:46,459 --> 02:12:48,962
Scott did an amazing job.
3164
02:12:49,254 --> 02:12:52,841
I remember the first day
that Derek came on set.
3165
02:12:53,133 --> 02:12:55,218
I had - I mean, like chills
ran down my spine.
3166
02:12:55,510 --> 02:12:57,595
I was like,
'Oh my God, Dude.'
3167
02:12:57,887 --> 02:13:01,641
They wrote in the sackhead in
the script and when I read it,
3168
02:13:01,933 --> 02:13:03,393
I was like, 'Okay, great. Brings
me right back to Part 2.'
3169
02:13:03,685 --> 02:13:06,271
The sack cloth
was really scary for me too.
3170
02:13:06,563 --> 02:13:09,691
I think in some ways more scary
than the hockey mask.
3171
02:13:09,983 --> 02:13:11,985
I think both versions,
the hockey mask
3172
02:13:12,277 --> 02:13:14,863
and the sack head version
of Jason are terrifying.
3173
02:13:15,155 --> 02:13:17,574
To me the hockey mask does seem
more iconic though.
3174
02:13:17,866 --> 02:13:19,826
You know, that's what I
associate with Jason.
3175
02:13:20,118 --> 02:13:22,245
The film opens at Crystal Lake
3176
02:13:22,537 --> 02:13:24,177
in one of the longest
pre-credit prologues
3177
02:13:24,456 --> 02:13:26,040
in FRIDAY THE 13TH,
3178
02:13:26,332 --> 02:13:29,085
and perhaps motion picture
history.
3179
02:13:29,377 --> 02:13:32,714
This remake centers around
3180
02:13:33,006 --> 02:13:35,675
this brother-sister story
between the Whitney character
3181
02:13:35,967 --> 02:13:38,344
and the Clay character played
by Jared Padalecki,
3182
02:13:38,636 --> 02:13:44,184
and it starts off
because their mother is dying.
3183
02:13:44,476 --> 02:13:48,062
I don't feel right being here,
so far away from my mom.
3184
02:13:48,354 --> 02:13:51,399
My boyfriend drags me away
from taking care of her
3185
02:13:51,691 --> 02:13:53,443
to go on a camping trip,
3186
02:13:53,735 --> 02:13:55,655
and we don't realize that
it's Camp Crystal Lake.
3187
02:13:55,862 --> 02:13:57,864
And it doesn't go so well.
3188
02:13:58,156 --> 02:14:00,241
[random screams]
3189
02:14:00,533 --> 02:14:02,577
With the crew being around you,
once you sort of got outside
3190
02:14:02,869 --> 02:14:04,454
of all the lights and stuff,
3191
02:14:04,746 --> 02:14:08,333
you could really see how creepy
it would be
3192
02:14:08,625 --> 02:14:10,835
to be out there
in the pitch black
3193
02:14:11,127 --> 02:14:12,712
and not really know
your surroundings.
3194
02:14:13,004 --> 02:14:15,965
The dark woods outside
of Austin, Texas
3195
02:14:16,257 --> 02:14:19,260
provided the perfect cover
for a practical joke
3196
02:14:19,552 --> 02:14:23,806
on actor Jonathan Sadowski
by his fellow cast members.
3197
02:14:24,098 --> 02:14:27,685
We were shooting in the dark
woods late one night,
3198
02:14:27,977 --> 02:14:30,396
and, it was like 3 or 4
in the morning, super tired.
3199
02:14:30,688 --> 02:14:34,859
Of course, the portapotties
are like a walk.
3200
02:14:35,151 --> 02:14:36,991
It's a hike to get there,
and it's pitch black,
3201
02:14:37,111 --> 02:14:38,530
like there's nothin' out there.
3202
02:14:38,821 --> 02:14:41,824
This would make the perfect
serial killer story,
3203
02:14:42,116 --> 02:14:44,410
that somebody actually got
killed by a serial killer
3204
02:14:44,702 --> 02:14:47,163
in the woods while shooting
FRIDAY THE 13TH.
3205
02:14:47,455 --> 02:14:49,374
And we're all watching
the monitors,
3206
02:14:49,666 --> 02:14:50,416
watching the scene
that's taking place,
3207
02:14:50,708 --> 02:14:53,711
and Jonathan pops up from
his chair and goes,
3208
02:14:54,003 --> 02:14:55,547
Well, gotta go to the bathroom,
3209
02:14:55,838 --> 02:14:57,298
and he walks off
in the darkness.
3210
02:14:57,590 --> 02:15:00,009
And so Feldman and Mennell
3211
02:15:00,301 --> 02:15:01,553
like thought it would be a
really great idea
3212
02:15:01,844 --> 02:15:04,013
to convince Derek
to hide in the bushes.
3213
02:15:04,305 --> 02:15:06,065
So he goes out and, of course,
Derek sees him
3214
02:15:06,182 --> 02:15:07,767
disappear into the woods
3215
02:15:08,059 --> 02:15:09,602
and Derek goes to the
opposite side of the woods
3216
02:15:09,894 --> 02:15:11,104
and hides and waits for him
to walk back.
3217
02:15:11,396 --> 02:15:15,775
He hid in the bushes like
halfway through the walk
3218
02:15:16,067 --> 02:15:18,861
and jumped out at him with his
mask and machete.
3219
02:15:19,153 --> 02:15:22,615
I have never seen an adult man
get so scared
3220
02:15:22,907 --> 02:15:25,326
as Jonathan Sadowski
who literally,
3221
02:15:25,618 --> 02:15:27,912
when Derek came charging at him
out of the woods
3222
02:15:28,204 --> 02:15:30,248
in full costume,
didn't know what to do,
3223
02:15:30,540 --> 02:15:31,541
so just ran in place
like a cartoon character.
3224
02:15:31,833 --> 02:15:34,127
Ahhh-ahhh-ah-haha!
3225
02:15:34,419 --> 02:15:35,962
His feet are jumping
back and forth.
3226
02:15:36,254 --> 02:15:38,172
His hands are going up and down.
3227
02:15:38,464 --> 02:15:40,544
What happened was that part
between fight and flight.
3228
02:15:40,592 --> 02:15:42,969
He goes, I didn't know,
I was so scared I didn't know
3229
02:15:43,261 --> 02:15:44,861
if I should run
or punch you in the face.
3230
02:15:45,138 --> 02:15:47,348
And the whole set just died.
Just killed everybody.
3231
02:15:47,640 --> 02:15:48,808
So I'm like,
Oh, mission accomplished.
3232
02:15:49,100 --> 02:15:50,685
I felt pretty good about that.
3233
02:15:50,977 --> 02:15:52,377
Our movie has a ton
of nudity in it.
3234
02:15:52,645 --> 02:15:56,024
And as a kid when I was
going to movies,
3235
02:15:56,316 --> 02:15:58,401
that was part of the genre
and for some reason
3236
02:15:58,693 --> 02:16:00,403
it kind of went away.
3237
02:16:00,695 --> 02:16:03,656
And it was important to us
to bring back the nudity.
3238
02:16:03,948 --> 02:16:08,119
America and I are in the tent
and we are loving each other
3239
02:16:08,411 --> 02:16:10,246
biblically from behind.
3240
02:16:10,538 --> 02:16:13,166
Oh, you like that?
3241
02:16:13,458 --> 02:16:14,542
Yeah baby, wait for me,
3242
02:16:14,834 --> 02:16:17,629
- No I think I'm gonna...
- No, don't do that again-
3243
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:21,341
As it turned out, playing
the role of sex-starved Amanda
3244
02:16:21,633 --> 02:16:25,970
was more than original actress
Moran Atias bargained for.
3245
02:16:26,262 --> 02:16:31,142
America Olivia bares her breasts
in the beginning of the film.
3246
02:16:31,434 --> 02:16:33,269
That was written into
the original screenplay.
3247
02:16:33,561 --> 02:16:35,647
And we shot that scene
with another girl
3248
02:16:35,938 --> 02:16:36,814
who when it came time
to bare her breasts,
3249
02:16:37,106 --> 02:16:38,858
she refused to do it.
3250
02:16:39,150 --> 02:16:41,486
You know, I think she'd recently
come from Israel
3251
02:16:41,778 --> 02:16:43,696
and was ready to do
some serious acting
3252
02:16:43,988 --> 02:16:46,366
and FRIDAY THE 13TH, I think,
3253
02:16:46,658 --> 02:16:49,410
was not exactly
what she had in mind
3254
02:16:49,702 --> 02:16:52,121
when she came to do
'high art' in America
3255
02:16:52,413 --> 02:16:55,083
and, I guess to put it plainly,
3256
02:16:55,375 --> 02:16:56,793
I think there were just
too many boob shots.
3257
02:16:57,085 --> 02:16:58,586
Hey It looks like you.
3258
02:16:58,878 --> 02:17:01,130
No, it doesn't.
3259
02:17:01,422 --> 02:17:03,966
It does. lt's cool,
you should keep it.
3260
02:17:04,258 --> 02:17:07,345
When Mike and Whitney go into
the cabin,
3261
02:17:07,637 --> 02:17:11,182
and she finds the locket,
because she's wearing it,
3262
02:17:11,474 --> 02:17:14,852
yes, it does save her life
to a certain degree.
3263
02:17:15,144 --> 02:17:17,105
That symbol of love
is that locket,
3264
02:17:17,397 --> 02:17:21,317
it's that confusion,
oh, that's my mom.
3265
02:17:21,609 --> 02:17:24,278
He's not all there but it's that
tie in to him needing love.
3266
02:17:24,570 --> 02:17:25,570
Little Oedipus.
3267
02:17:25,655 --> 02:17:27,699
[scream]
3268
02:17:27,990 --> 02:17:29,575
I think for me if there's
wooden boards involved
3269
02:17:29,867 --> 02:17:32,328
and someone's falling through
or bashing up into them,
3270
02:17:32,620 --> 02:17:34,622
that's the kind of death scene
I like.
3271
02:17:34,914 --> 02:17:36,082
I don't know why.
I'm just creeped out by it.
3272
02:17:36,374 --> 02:17:37,875
And I jump into the bathtub,
3273
02:17:38,167 --> 02:17:40,920
and I'm trying to pull Nick
into the tub with me.
3274
02:17:41,212 --> 02:17:44,257
There was a lot of thrashing
around and Derek Mears,
3275
02:17:44,549 --> 02:17:46,759
Jason, was out of town.
3276
02:17:47,051 --> 02:17:47,844
He was actually getting married,
funny enough
3277
02:17:48,136 --> 02:17:49,721
while we were shooting.
3278
02:17:50,012 --> 02:17:51,889
And they had a stunt double
for him
3279
02:17:52,181 --> 02:17:54,475
that was supposed to grab me.
3280
02:17:54,767 --> 02:17:57,311
I bashed this guy,
kicked him straight in the eye
3281
02:17:57,603 --> 02:17:59,772
and gave him a good shiner.
3282
02:18:00,064 --> 02:18:03,943
I run back to save Amanda,
and she is hanging from a tree
3283
02:18:04,235 --> 02:18:07,238
in a sleeping bag on fire
and burning to death.
3284
02:18:07,530 --> 02:18:09,699
That is when I stumble upon
a bear trap.
3285
02:18:09,991 --> 02:18:12,160
[scream]
3286
02:18:12,452 --> 02:18:15,163
We shot like 10 takes
and after a while I'm like,
3287
02:18:15,455 --> 02:18:18,708
my leg's kind of like dented
and like a little bit bleeding
3288
02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:21,544
and like black-and-blue
and so I was like,
3289
02:18:21,836 --> 02:18:24,297
Guys, can we loosen up
with the bear trap?
3290
02:18:24,589 --> 02:18:26,215
And they were like, Oh my God,
that's the real one.
3291
02:18:26,507 --> 02:18:28,107
Can somebody just get him
the rubber one?
3292
02:18:28,342 --> 02:18:30,511
Jason comes at me
at the end of the scene
3293
02:18:30,803 --> 02:18:33,181
and puts a machete
through my forehead
3294
02:18:33,473 --> 02:18:36,809
and then he turns on
Amanda Righetti's character,
3295
02:18:37,101 --> 02:18:40,146
and we cut to black
and then the real movie starts.
3296
02:18:40,438 --> 02:18:43,524
Jared Padalecki goes back to
Crystal Lake
3297
02:18:43,816 --> 02:18:46,152
because he thinks that
that's where his sister is.
3298
02:18:46,444 --> 02:18:48,154
So he kind of goes, he's there
on a mission to find her,
3299
02:18:48,446 --> 02:18:50,865
and he finds some other kids
who are hanging out
3300
02:18:51,157 --> 02:18:52,742
and partying at Crystal Lake.
3301
02:18:53,034 --> 02:18:57,121
I have a cabin. I'm very rich
and I want people to like me,
3302
02:18:57,413 --> 02:18:58,664
I guess, even though I don't
like anybody
3303
02:18:58,956 --> 02:18:59,916
that I really bring
to the cabin.
3304
02:19:00,208 --> 02:19:02,084
Hey, take your feet off
the table please.
3305
02:19:02,376 --> 02:19:03,753
Jenna, you know, registers
what Clay is going through
3306
02:19:04,045 --> 02:19:05,254
and how hard this must be
3307
02:19:05,546 --> 02:19:07,256
despite the fact
that all her friends
3308
02:19:07,548 --> 02:19:09,217
are just focused on partying
and having a good time.
3309
02:19:09,509 --> 02:19:11,029
I'm trying to set up
myself to get laid
3310
02:19:11,093 --> 02:19:12,220
with this beautiful girl.
3311
02:19:12,512 --> 02:19:14,138
She ends up going
to this other guy.
3312
02:19:14,430 --> 02:19:17,016
I'm definitely jealous,
a little pissed off.
3313
02:19:17,308 --> 02:19:18,184
So you don't want to be friends
after this?
3314
02:19:18,476 --> 02:19:20,228
Don't want to hang out?
3315
02:19:20,520 --> 02:19:22,240
Two boys wanting to duke it out
over a girl.
3316
02:19:22,480 --> 02:19:24,357
Like that's a story
we can all relate to.
3317
02:19:24,649 --> 02:19:26,359
I would probably leave soon
before I get pissed off,
3318
02:19:26,651 --> 02:19:27,651
and, you know... Yeah?
3319
02:19:27,777 --> 02:19:29,487
Yeah.
3320
02:19:29,779 --> 02:19:32,657
The new film attempted not one,
3321
02:19:32,949 --> 02:19:34,242
but two, versions of the scene
3322
02:19:34,534 --> 02:19:37,328
where Jason discovers
his iconic hockey mask.
3323
02:19:37,620 --> 02:19:41,040
The original scene was,
in my mind,
3324
02:19:41,332 --> 02:19:43,209
not nearly as interesting as
the one that we shot later on.
3325
02:19:43,501 --> 02:19:45,711
Donnie comes into his
pot den in the barn,
3326
02:19:46,003 --> 02:19:48,339
and he's getting high.
3327
02:19:48,631 --> 02:19:50,591
And he puts the hockey mask on,
3328
02:19:50,883 --> 02:19:53,052
and Jason comes in
and grabs him by the head.
3329
02:19:53,344 --> 02:19:54,512
You don't see him
get his head chopped off
3330
02:19:54,804 --> 02:19:56,764
but then you see the head drop
out of frame
3331
02:19:57,056 --> 02:19:58,641
and land on the ground.
3332
02:19:58,933 --> 02:19:59,934
He's looking at the mask
and puts the mask on
3333
02:20:00,226 --> 02:20:01,853
and there it was.
3334
02:20:02,144 --> 02:20:03,187
That's how he was going
to get it.
3335
02:20:03,479 --> 02:20:05,648
And then a few months later,
3336
02:20:05,940 --> 02:20:08,568
they decided to go and re-shoot
that a little different,
3337
02:20:08,860 --> 02:20:11,571
and it was when he goes
upstairs, confronts Donnie,
3338
02:20:11,863 --> 02:20:13,223
That shit ain't fuckin'
right, dude
3339
02:20:13,447 --> 02:20:15,283
Cuts his throat,
pulls something aside,
3340
02:20:15,575 --> 02:20:17,201
and there's the hockey mask.
3341
02:20:17,493 --> 02:20:18,578
I also think the scene's
quite effective.
3342
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:19,871
I think it's an interesting
moment there.
3343
02:20:20,162 --> 02:20:22,164
Not only when he gets the mask,
3344
02:20:22,456 --> 02:20:23,541
he puts it on,
and he goes to the mirror.
3345
02:20:23,833 --> 02:20:24,876
I think it's quite an effective
scene.
3346
02:20:25,167 --> 02:20:26,327
I'm really glad we shot that.
3347
02:20:26,502 --> 02:20:28,504
I thought they both worked well.
3348
02:20:28,796 --> 02:20:30,956
It would have been fun if they
had Shelly from PART Ill
3349
02:20:31,215 --> 02:20:33,092
who introduced the hockey mask,
3350
02:20:33,384 --> 02:20:35,678
where he's like working with
Donnie doing something,
3351
02:20:35,970 --> 02:20:37,850
You know, there he is.
There's Shelly, you know.
3352
02:20:38,014 --> 02:20:40,433
In keeping with
FRIDAY THE 13TH tradition,
3353
02:20:40,725 --> 02:20:42,810
several of the film's
death sequences
3354
02:20:43,102 --> 02:20:46,647
had to be reconceived
and re-shot.
3355
02:20:46,939 --> 02:20:50,067
So there's a kill in the script
with Willa Ford's character,
3356
02:20:50,359 --> 02:20:53,321
originally it was written where
the boat sequence happens,
3357
02:20:53,613 --> 02:20:55,253
Ryan's character
gets shot with the arrow,
3358
02:20:55,323 --> 02:20:57,241
she gets hit by the boat,
and she's stunned.
3359
02:20:57,533 --> 02:20:59,253
As she's kind of coming to,
and she realizes
3360
02:20:59,535 --> 02:21:00,935
there's a guy
wearing a hockey mask,
3361
02:21:00,995 --> 02:21:02,038
and she's kind of confused
and all of a sudden,
3362
02:21:02,330 --> 02:21:02,663
the guy pulls out a machete,
and she's like,
3363
02:21:02,955 --> 02:21:05,458
Oh my God, oh my God.
3364
02:21:05,750 --> 02:21:07,710
And so she starts to swim
parallel to the water,
3365
02:21:08,002 --> 02:21:10,630
and he just slowly walks with
her keeping the same distance.
3366
02:21:10,922 --> 02:21:13,466
It cuts to the kids
back at the house
3367
02:21:13,758 --> 02:21:14,800
having a big party,
having a good time.
3368
02:21:15,092 --> 02:21:17,094
It's a very long scene there.
3369
02:21:17,386 --> 02:21:19,931
Then it cuts back to her
and now the time is passed
3370
02:21:20,222 --> 02:21:22,516
where it's dark,
and she's been treading water
3371
02:21:22,808 --> 02:21:24,060
for a long time,
and Jason hasn't moved.
3372
02:21:24,352 --> 02:21:25,592
He's still just staring at her.
3373
02:21:25,811 --> 02:21:27,688
And so it was more of a
psychological kill,
3374
02:21:27,980 --> 02:21:29,190
like she's so afraid to
get out of the water,
3375
02:21:29,482 --> 02:21:31,192
she'd rather drown in the water.
3376
02:21:31,484 --> 02:21:32,764
And I thought that was
brilliant.
3377
02:21:32,902 --> 02:21:33,653
But they changed it
where she faked it
3378
02:21:33,945 --> 02:21:35,237
and comes up under the docks,
3379
02:21:35,529 --> 02:21:36,447
has the machete
get the top of her head
3380
02:21:36,739 --> 02:21:38,366
which is still a great kill.
3381
02:21:38,658 --> 02:21:40,660
The kills are obviously
such an important part
3382
02:21:40,952 --> 02:21:42,912
of this franchise
and of horror movies in general,
3383
02:21:43,204 --> 02:21:47,041
and I loved them in this movie.
3384
02:21:47,333 --> 02:21:51,671
I thought everyone had a really
unique and disgusting way to go.
3385
02:21:51,963 --> 02:21:54,173
We were talking to the
producers and they were like,
3386
02:21:54,465 --> 02:21:55,633
Did you realize there are
13 kills in this movie?
3387
02:21:55,925 --> 02:21:59,637
And I was like,
Yeah, it was intentional.
3388
02:21:59,929 --> 02:22:01,847
And they were like, Really?
Wow. That's great.
3389
02:22:02,139 --> 02:22:04,600
The other part of the formula,
I guess for us,
3390
02:22:04,892 --> 02:22:06,769
was we wanted to have kids
having fun.
3391
02:22:07,061 --> 02:22:08,781
We wanted to bring back
some of that feeling
3392
02:22:08,896 --> 02:22:12,066
from the 80s where it's kind
of sex, drugs and violence.
3393
02:22:12,358 --> 02:22:14,568
Well originally we did want to
put it in the 80s,
3394
02:22:14,860 --> 02:22:16,070
I mean, that was sort of
important to us,
3395
02:22:16,362 --> 02:22:18,072
and then once you start talking
to like the studio guys,
3396
02:22:18,364 --> 02:22:19,924
they go,
yeah, it's not going to happen.
3397
02:22:20,074 --> 02:22:22,618
It's very modern, and we didn't
step back in time at all.
3398
02:22:22,910 --> 02:22:24,662
We really brought that
modern energy to it.
3399
02:22:24,954 --> 02:22:27,164
As Form and Fuller
once explained to me,
3400
02:22:27,456 --> 02:22:29,291
'These kids have got to be
fuckable.
3401
02:22:29,583 --> 02:22:31,263
The guys have gotta want to
fuck the girls,
3402
02:22:31,377 --> 02:22:32,420
and the girls have gotta
want to fuck the guys
3403
02:22:32,712 --> 02:22:34,588
in the movie.'
So that's what makes them care.
3404
02:22:34,880 --> 02:22:36,840
My character did have
some good lines in the film.
3405
02:22:36,924 --> 02:22:38,684
I know the one that I did not
want to say was
3406
02:22:38,926 --> 02:22:41,012
Your tits are stupendous.
3407
02:22:41,303 --> 02:22:42,471
And they said, Trust me.
It'll get a laugh. lt's funny.
3408
02:22:42,763 --> 02:22:44,306
I said, Okay.
3409
02:22:44,598 --> 02:22:46,225
And then we were doing
the sex scene,
3410
02:22:46,517 --> 02:22:48,602
and, it was like a twelve-hour
day for that thing,
3411
02:22:48,894 --> 02:22:51,454
and it sounds like, Oh, man, you
had to do that for twelve hours,
3412
02:22:51,731 --> 02:22:52,815
you poor guy, but seriously,
twelve hours a day
3413
02:22:53,107 --> 02:22:54,942
wearing a little cock sock,
3414
02:22:55,234 --> 02:22:56,914
it's not really the most
comfortable thing.
3415
02:22:57,069 --> 02:22:59,780
This is a man's sport.
3416
02:23:00,072 --> 02:23:01,672
Aaron Yoo, who plays Chewie
in the movie,
3417
02:23:01,907 --> 02:23:04,660
he had to have
full stomach surgery
3418
02:23:04,952 --> 02:23:06,328
while we were shooting.
3419
02:23:06,620 --> 02:23:07,747
He had an obstruction
in his stomach,
3420
02:23:08,039 --> 02:23:11,500
and he was rushed to
the hospital from the set.
3421
02:23:11,792 --> 02:23:15,296
He came back with, I don't know,
30 staples in his stomach.
3422
02:23:15,588 --> 02:23:17,757
I don't know how he held up
but he kept going like,
3423
02:23:18,049 --> 02:23:21,385
'Hey, look,
can you actually throw me?
3424
02:23:21,677 --> 02:23:24,388
Can you like do it for real?'
3425
02:23:24,680 --> 02:23:26,057
I go, 'Yeah, I can do it for
real. I'm not doing it for real
3426
02:23:26,348 --> 02:23:27,808
because I don't
want to hurt you.'
3427
02:23:28,100 --> 02:23:30,269
Are you looking for this?
'Cause it, uh...
3428
02:23:30,561 --> 02:23:32,730
completes your outfit.
3429
02:23:33,022 --> 02:23:37,234
And he was like,
'l'm good for one.
3430
02:23:37,526 --> 02:23:38,694
Is that cool with everybody?'
'Okay, dude, if you're sure.'
3431
02:23:38,986 --> 02:23:41,405
[screams]
3432
02:23:41,697 --> 02:23:44,533
And all I'm thinking is
if his guts pour out
3433
02:23:44,825 --> 02:23:45,701
while we're doing the scene...
l'm going to shoot that, right?
3434
02:23:45,993 --> 02:23:48,329
'Cuz I can use that in the movie
if his guts pour out.
3435
02:23:48,621 --> 02:23:50,915
There's a point
where I'm stabbing him,
3436
02:23:51,207 --> 02:23:53,959
and he starts to choke,
and he's gagging,
3437
02:23:54,251 --> 02:23:56,337
and he goes to the ground,
and we end the scene.
3438
02:23:56,629 --> 02:23:58,269
I go, Dude, are you okay?
What's going on?
3439
02:23:58,380 --> 02:24:00,591
And he goes, No, no, no.
I had the blood in my mouth,
3440
02:24:00,883 --> 02:24:01,842
and rather than just coming
out of my mouth,
3441
02:24:02,134 --> 02:24:03,636
I tried to inhale it into my
sinuses so it would come out.
3442
02:24:03,928 --> 02:24:06,722
I go, you are far too committed
for this.
3443
02:24:07,014 --> 02:24:08,641
That is insane.
3444
02:24:08,933 --> 02:24:09,642
No, but it looked really,
really cool.
3445
02:24:09,934 --> 02:24:11,644
Take that, motherfucker!
3446
02:24:11,936 --> 02:24:15,356
My death scene, it hurt
the most.
3447
02:24:15,648 --> 02:24:16,482
And you know, oh, he's getting
away and then all of a sudden
3448
02:24:16,774 --> 02:24:19,777
you just see [noise] axe.
3449
02:24:20,069 --> 02:24:21,789
I'm screaming for help,
and you can hear me.
3450
02:24:22,071 --> 02:24:24,365
Oh my god, please!
3451
02:24:24,657 --> 02:24:26,200
It's always interesting to me
to see, you know,
3452
02:24:26,492 --> 02:24:28,911
a bomb drops, you know,
3453
02:24:29,203 --> 02:24:31,038
a bunch of kids scatter around
like roaches on the kitchen sink
3454
02:24:31,330 --> 02:24:33,958
and how do they interact.
3455
02:24:34,250 --> 02:24:36,130
- You can't go out there.
- We have to help him.
3456
02:24:36,168 --> 02:24:38,048
No we can't, ok?
He's using your friend as bait.
3457
02:24:38,295 --> 02:24:40,335
You know, at least someone
said we have to help him.
3458
02:24:40,422 --> 02:24:42,258
Somebody's gotta do something!
3459
02:24:42,550 --> 02:24:43,634
I was like, Do it, be a friend,
go out there
3460
02:24:43,926 --> 02:24:45,845
and save your buddy.
3461
02:24:46,137 --> 02:24:47,304
And we're all like, Whose life
is more important here?
3462
02:24:47,596 --> 02:24:49,473
Ours.
3463
02:24:49,765 --> 02:24:51,142
As I was watching the movie,
3464
02:24:51,433 --> 02:24:52,993
I thought of so many different
scenarios
3465
02:24:53,144 --> 02:24:54,937
of how I could have been saved.
3466
02:24:55,229 --> 02:24:56,272
Spineless bastards.
3467
02:24:56,564 --> 02:24:59,608
[screams]
3468
02:24:59,900 --> 02:25:03,237
I mean, I think I die three
or four times in the movie.
3469
02:25:03,529 --> 02:25:05,865
I get suffocated by Jason.
3470
02:25:06,157 --> 02:25:07,449
Then I get hung on these hooks.
3471
02:25:07,741 --> 02:25:08,993
And I get shot through a door.
3472
02:25:09,285 --> 02:25:11,537
Then I get thrown out a window.
3473
02:25:11,829 --> 02:25:16,000
Marcus, I guess, wanted to try
to get a little more creative,
3474
02:25:16,292 --> 02:25:18,627
you know, like the things
that make you squirm.
3475
02:25:18,919 --> 02:25:21,755
The poker through the eyehole,
that was... errrrr.
3476
02:25:22,047 --> 02:25:25,217
Anything with eyes, like when
you watch that movie ZOMBIE.
3477
02:25:25,509 --> 02:25:28,554
As the remaining characters
make a last bid for survival,
3478
02:25:28,846 --> 02:25:31,640
an on-set accident
nearly resulted
3479
02:25:31,932 --> 02:25:34,643
in a real
FRIDAY THE 13TH casualty.
3480
02:25:34,935 --> 02:25:36,645
Whenever you're making
a horror movie
3481
02:25:36,937 --> 02:25:39,257
and kids or people are running
and they have sharp objects,
3482
02:25:39,523 --> 02:25:40,107
someone's bound to get hurt.
3483
02:25:40,399 --> 02:25:42,735
We were shooting
one of the scenes
3484
02:25:43,027 --> 02:25:44,627
where we run from upstairs
to downstairs.
3485
02:25:44,653 --> 02:25:45,933
And we're coming down
the stairs.
3486
02:25:45,988 --> 02:25:47,990
I'm backing down as fast
as I can
3487
02:25:48,282 --> 02:25:50,492
like pretending I'm a frickin'
FBI agent or something,
3488
02:25:50,784 --> 02:25:52,494
and I run into Danielle and
I slam her into the wall.
3489
02:25:52,786 --> 02:25:55,998
He somehow pushed me
into the windowsill,
3490
02:25:56,290 --> 02:25:58,709
and I hit my chin,
and I split my chin open
3491
02:25:59,001 --> 02:26:01,128
and fell back and gave myself
a concussion.
3492
02:26:01,420 --> 02:26:03,714
She hits her head,
3493
02:26:04,006 --> 02:26:06,050
and she almost gets knocked out
unconscious.
3494
02:26:06,342 --> 02:26:07,092
And she had to go
to the hospital.
3495
02:26:07,384 --> 02:26:08,886
I think - it was just bad.
3496
02:26:09,178 --> 02:26:10,898
So I still have a teeny tiny
scar on my chin
3497
02:26:11,055 --> 02:26:13,557
that will forever remind me
of FRIDAY THE 13TH.
3498
02:26:13,849 --> 02:26:17,186
I feel bad but it was - I mean,
3499
02:26:17,478 --> 02:26:19,313
I guess it was payback for her
going to the other guy.
3500
02:26:19,605 --> 02:26:20,981
So I got her back.
3501
02:26:21,273 --> 02:26:23,400
I think the most brutal kill
3502
02:26:23,692 --> 02:26:24,193
would probably have to be
Travis's.
3503
02:26:24,485 --> 02:26:25,861
He had the iconic scream.
3504
02:26:26,153 --> 02:26:27,947
[screams like a girl]
3505
02:26:28,239 --> 02:26:30,115
I think he probably out-screamed
all the women
3506
02:26:30,407 --> 02:26:36,956
that have been in any
of the FRIDAY THE 13TH films.
3507
02:26:37,248 --> 02:26:38,968
My death scene in this film
was a great one,
3508
02:26:39,041 --> 02:26:40,876
and I think the whole purpose
of my character
3509
02:26:41,168 --> 02:26:43,879
staying in the film
as long as he did
3510
02:26:44,171 --> 02:26:48,092
was you wanted the audience to
really slowly hate me
3511
02:26:48,384 --> 02:26:49,843
and hate me more and more
3512
02:26:50,135 --> 02:26:52,012
so that when I died
it was a big payoff.
3513
02:26:52,304 --> 02:26:55,474
We went through probably
10 gallons of blood.
3514
02:26:55,766 --> 02:26:59,103
Gets the machete basically
all the way up his body
3515
02:26:59,395 --> 02:27:00,675
until he's lifted off the
ground.
3516
02:27:00,771 --> 02:27:02,314
Then he lets me down,
lifts me up
3517
02:27:02,606 --> 02:27:04,066
and throws me on the back
of a hay bale spike
3518
02:27:04,358 --> 02:27:06,278
that goes through my chest
as the car pulls away.
3519
02:27:06,443 --> 02:27:09,488
So timing had to be perfect.
I had to be strapped in.
3520
02:27:09,780 --> 02:27:11,156
It was just a really...
It's a gnarly death.
3521
02:27:11,448 --> 02:27:13,325
He was the asshole,
he was the jerk,
3522
02:27:13,617 --> 02:27:16,370
and, as we all know in films,
we want those people to die.
3523
02:27:16,662 --> 02:27:18,163
So he got what he deserved.
3524
02:27:18,455 --> 02:27:21,583
And then they drive away
with my dying body.
3525
02:27:21,875 --> 02:27:24,878
So, altogether I'm... that was
one of my favorite parts
3526
02:27:25,170 --> 02:27:26,755
was to watch me die.
3527
02:27:27,047 --> 02:27:28,799
The original script that I read,
3528
02:27:29,091 --> 02:27:30,342
it involved a much more
intricate scene
3529
02:27:30,634 --> 02:27:33,345
involving Jared's character
3530
02:27:33,637 --> 02:27:34,388
and Amanda Righetti's character
and my character,
3531
02:27:34,680 --> 02:27:38,017
in more of a battle with Jason
3532
02:27:38,309 --> 02:27:40,144
and Jenna was definitely more
involved in that version.
3533
02:27:40,436 --> 02:27:42,396
They needed to find something
3534
02:27:42,688 --> 02:27:43,897
that wasn't going to be too
difficult to shoot
3535
02:27:44,189 --> 02:27:45,909
and that was going to fit in
their schedule.
3536
02:27:46,191 --> 02:27:47,818
So Jenna had to die
in the tunnel
3537
02:27:48,110 --> 02:27:50,195
I loved that about this.
3538
02:27:50,487 --> 02:27:52,614
You know, the sort of,
she follows all the rules
3539
02:27:52,906 --> 02:27:55,284
of a quintessential Jason movie,
and she doesn't swear,
3540
02:27:55,576 --> 02:27:57,416
she doesn't have sex,
she's not a hard partier,
3541
02:27:57,703 --> 02:27:59,204
and yet she still gets killed.
3542
02:27:59,496 --> 02:28:00,831
And I think it's fun.
3543
02:28:01,123 --> 02:28:02,166
I think it's a great
talking point,
3544
02:28:02,458 --> 02:28:05,252
and I love that people are so
invested in it.
3545
02:28:05,544 --> 02:28:08,047
With the Platinum Dunes partners
3546
02:28:08,339 --> 02:28:09,673
closely watching over the set,
3547
02:28:09,965 --> 02:28:12,634
and with the mounting pressure
of constant script changes,
3548
02:28:12,926 --> 02:28:14,762
tensions flared
between the producers
3549
02:28:15,054 --> 02:28:17,556
and director Marcus Nispel.
3550
02:28:17,848 --> 02:28:20,017
The working relationship
that I had with Marcus
3551
02:28:20,309 --> 02:28:22,936
shifted quite a bit in the
course of making this film.
3552
02:28:23,228 --> 02:28:26,065
Kind of a recluse.
He would just keep to himself,
3553
02:28:26,357 --> 02:28:28,233
and he would say things to you
when you needed to hear them.
3554
02:28:28,525 --> 02:28:30,444
There's a fine line
between genius and madness.
3555
02:28:30,736 --> 02:28:33,572
He's such a visual guy.
He gets so excited.
3556
02:28:33,864 --> 02:28:36,867
'Da-da very good scene.
I want you to burst in.
3557
02:28:37,159 --> 02:28:39,453
You're going to attack her.
The energy stop there.
3558
02:28:39,745 --> 02:28:42,331
Oh they can't help it.
You're going to rip them apart!
3559
02:28:42,623 --> 02:28:45,376
I think I had a better
relationship
3560
02:28:45,667 --> 02:28:48,545
and better communication
with Brad and Drew.
3561
02:28:48,837 --> 02:28:50,397
They were the producers
that were on set
3562
02:28:50,506 --> 02:28:52,216
the entire shoot.
3563
02:28:52,508 --> 02:28:53,300
Unfortunately there was
a lot of conflict
3564
02:28:53,592 --> 02:28:56,220
between those parties.
3565
02:28:56,512 --> 02:28:58,192
Marcus was trying
to push this film forward
3566
02:28:58,472 --> 02:29:00,391
but they kept changing
the script
3567
02:29:00,682 --> 02:29:03,143
and rewriting the script.
And they were forever at odds.
3568
02:29:03,435 --> 02:29:05,115
Almost every shooting day
would start with,
3569
02:29:05,312 --> 02:29:07,106
you know,
some sort of discussion
3570
02:29:07,398 --> 02:29:09,038
or conversation
about what we're shooting.
3571
02:29:09,108 --> 02:29:10,734
No, no, that's not even
a scene anymore.
3572
02:29:11,026 --> 02:29:13,695
There may have been
something between them,
3573
02:29:13,987 --> 02:29:16,615
but by the time
it gets to us actors,
3574
02:29:16,907 --> 02:29:18,747
everybody's... you know,
it's like mom and dad.
3575
02:29:18,909 --> 02:29:21,036
If they fought it was
when we went to bed.
3576
02:29:21,328 --> 02:29:22,538
As time went on I realized this
is no way to carry on
3577
02:29:22,830 --> 02:29:24,581
making a film.
3578
02:29:24,873 --> 02:29:27,626
We have to somehow arrive
at an amicable agreement
3579
02:29:27,918 --> 02:29:28,919
where we can just carry on
and, you know,
3580
02:29:29,211 --> 02:29:30,671
and that never really happened.
3581
02:29:30,963 --> 02:29:32,881
As filming drew to a close,
3582
02:29:33,173 --> 02:29:35,592
one question still remained...
3583
02:29:35,884 --> 02:29:38,887
How would this
FRIDAY THE 13TH end?
3584
02:29:39,179 --> 02:29:41,265
And we ended up going back out
to Austin
3585
02:29:41,557 --> 02:29:43,237
a few months after
we had wrapped the movie
3586
02:29:43,267 --> 02:29:44,852
to re-shoot some of it,
3587
02:29:45,144 --> 02:29:46,770
and they wanted to see me
stab Jason.
3588
02:29:47,062 --> 02:29:50,065
The original ending
we shot for FRIDAY
3589
02:29:50,357 --> 02:29:52,651
when Jason's getting pulled into
the wood chipper,
3590
02:29:52,943 --> 02:29:54,570
we actually shot
where the mask pops off.
3591
02:29:54,862 --> 02:29:56,738
He's staring, he's confused
3592
02:29:57,030 --> 02:29:59,074
because, you know,
he loves her so much.
3593
02:29:59,366 --> 02:30:02,536
It's like the confusion of like
he loves his mother,
3594
02:30:02,828 --> 02:30:06,123
and she's not his mother,
but she kind of is,
3595
02:30:06,415 --> 02:30:08,584
and so he's like,
Why are you doing this?
3596
02:30:08,876 --> 02:30:09,960
And then she stabs him
with the machete.
3597
02:30:10,252 --> 02:30:13,380
Jason! Say hi to Mommy... in Hell!
3598
02:30:13,672 --> 02:30:14,965
'Jason, say hi to Mommy
in hell.'
3599
02:30:15,257 --> 02:30:17,676
I fought that tooth and nail.
3600
02:30:17,968 --> 02:30:21,430
I was like, Oh, guys, really?
That's cheesy.
3601
02:30:21,722 --> 02:30:22,473
What they were looking for is
the entire audience going like,
3602
02:30:22,764 --> 02:30:25,184
Yay! The bad guy's dead!
3603
02:30:25,476 --> 02:30:27,227
But instead the entire audience
was silent.
3604
02:30:27,519 --> 02:30:30,731
And so they changed the ending.
3605
02:30:31,023 --> 02:30:31,523
I prefer the more,
the emotional one myself
3606
02:30:31,815 --> 02:30:34,151
because it adds more depth.
3607
02:30:34,443 --> 02:30:36,820
Obviously the big pressure is
will there be a big,
3608
02:30:37,112 --> 02:30:40,073
big scare at the end,
3609
02:30:40,365 --> 02:30:42,868
and then, of course,
your biggest trick as a director
3610
02:30:43,160 --> 02:30:45,829
is to see what you make look
like an end or not,
3611
02:30:46,121 --> 02:30:48,123
the false end, you know.
3612
02:30:48,415 --> 02:30:49,500
What are you going to do?
You know, it's hard.
3613
02:30:49,791 --> 02:30:51,751
It's hard to top what happened
in the first movie.
3614
02:30:51,835 --> 02:30:53,337
The first movie has one of
the great, you know,
3615
02:30:53,629 --> 02:30:55,214
jump scare endings of all time.
3616
02:30:55,506 --> 02:30:57,106
So it became a really
tough bar, I think,
3617
02:30:57,174 --> 02:30:58,425
for every other filmmaker.
3618
02:30:58,717 --> 02:30:59,593
It's like well we need
something.
3619
02:30:59,885 --> 02:31:01,428
And they just couldn't decide.
3620
02:31:01,720 --> 02:31:02,387
There was one point where we
were both in a canoe
3621
02:31:02,679 --> 02:31:03,847
and then the canoe goes over.
3622
02:31:04,139 --> 02:31:05,557
And then there was one point
3623
02:31:05,849 --> 02:31:07,489
that maybe it was just Jared in
the canoe,
3624
02:31:07,643 --> 02:31:09,394
and I was on the dock.
3625
02:31:09,686 --> 02:31:11,188
And then it ended up,
no, we'll both be on the dock.
3626
02:31:11,480 --> 02:31:13,480
They weren't sure if they were
going to do a sequel
3627
02:31:13,732 --> 02:31:14,441
but they wanted to keep it
open-ended
3628
02:31:14,733 --> 02:31:16,318
if they did do a sequel.
3629
02:31:16,610 --> 02:31:18,290
And then they ended up just
deciding, Okay,
3630
02:31:18,570 --> 02:31:20,739
he's going to just come out of
the water and grab you.
3631
02:31:21,031 --> 02:31:23,408
[screams]
3632
02:31:23,700 --> 02:31:28,747
On Friday, February 13th, 2009,
FRIDAY THE 13TH
3633
02:31:29,039 --> 02:31:35,754
was released on 3,105 screens
in North America.
3634
02:31:36,046 --> 02:31:38,465
Although it brought in an
astounding $43 million
3635
02:31:38,757 --> 02:31:40,259
in its opening weekend,
3636
02:31:40,551 --> 02:31:43,637
negative reviews and a backlash
from hardcore fans
3637
02:31:43,929 --> 02:31:46,473
caused the film's box office
to plunge 80%
3638
02:31:46,765 --> 02:31:48,475
in its second weekend.
3639
02:31:48,767 --> 02:31:51,228
Nevertheless, the film went on
to earn
3640
02:31:51,520 --> 02:31:53,397
$65 million domestically,
3641
02:31:53,689 --> 02:31:55,399
making it
the highest grossing film
3642
02:31:55,691 --> 02:31:57,693
among any of the slasher remakes
3643
02:31:57,985 --> 02:32:02,823
and proving that Jason Voorhees
can indeed survive anything,
3644
02:32:03,115 --> 02:32:05,659
including his own reinvention.
3645
02:32:05,951 --> 02:32:09,079
Any film that gets remade ever
3646
02:32:09,371 --> 02:32:12,249
is going to come across a lot
of criticism.
3647
02:32:12,541 --> 02:32:16,962
We're messing with something
that to a lot of people is holy.
3648
02:32:17,254 --> 02:32:18,714
So it doesn't surprise me
that there were people
3649
02:32:19,006 --> 02:32:21,216
that weren't happy or satisfied
3650
02:32:21,508 --> 02:32:22,801
with the way they depicted
where Jason was living
3651
02:32:23,093 --> 02:32:23,802
and how he was going about
killing these people.
3652
02:32:24,094 --> 02:32:26,597
The diehard fans
3653
02:32:26,888 --> 02:32:28,608
kind of got their panties
in a wad about it,
3654
02:32:28,682 --> 02:32:31,602
but I thought it was
a pretty good execution.
3655
02:32:31,893 --> 02:32:34,980
If you're really a fan
of those original things,
3656
02:32:35,272 --> 02:32:36,565
and you're mad that we messed
with some original things,
3657
02:32:36,857 --> 02:32:38,734
then go watch
the original movies
3658
02:32:39,026 --> 02:32:41,028
and don't come see
Michael Bay's remake of it.
3659
02:32:41,320 --> 02:32:43,614
Well, at least Jason
wasn't like living in space.
3660
02:32:43,905 --> 02:32:45,907
I had a friend send me
something the other day
3661
02:32:46,199 --> 02:32:49,578
saying there was a list
of recognizable characters
3662
02:32:49,870 --> 02:32:51,630
in the franchise,
and that I was one of them.
3663
02:32:51,788 --> 02:32:53,457
I'm like, That's really cool.
3664
02:32:53,749 --> 02:32:56,752
L've been very fortunate
because the fans, fan boys,
3665
02:32:57,044 --> 02:32:59,671
can sort of fall
on one side of the fence,
3666
02:32:59,963 --> 02:33:01,298
and they've been very kind
to me,
3667
02:33:01,590 --> 02:33:02,830
and I'm very grateful for that.
3668
02:33:03,050 --> 02:33:05,677
We tried to make a fans' dream.
3669
02:33:05,969 --> 02:33:07,638
Because we are fans and I mean
I don't know if everyone says,
3670
02:33:07,929 --> 02:33:09,056
You guys aren't really fans.
3671
02:33:09,348 --> 02:33:11,600
But I really am.
And I love these movies,
3672
02:33:11,892 --> 02:33:13,852
and we just wanted to write
the movie that we wanted to see.
3673
02:33:14,144 --> 02:33:15,062
I just knew I worked on a film
that I loved working on
3674
02:33:15,354 --> 02:33:17,439
with a great group of people
3675
02:33:17,731 --> 02:33:20,359
and then when the people
started seeing it
3676
02:33:20,651 --> 02:33:22,611
and watching it and coming up
to me and telling me
3677
02:33:22,778 --> 02:33:23,945
what they loved about it,
3678
02:33:24,237 --> 02:33:25,364
then I was able to look at it
and go,
3679
02:33:25,656 --> 02:33:27,783
I just worked on
a FRIDAY THE 13TH movie.
3680
02:33:28,075 --> 02:33:30,035
This is so cool because this is
what I grew up on.
3681
02:33:30,160 --> 02:33:32,496
I never thought about growing up
3682
02:33:32,788 --> 02:33:34,148
to try and make
one of these films.
3683
02:33:34,247 --> 02:33:36,291
I don't think you dared
to dream that high.
3684
02:33:36,583 --> 02:33:38,752
I make no bones about it.
I loved making this movie.
3685
02:33:39,044 --> 02:33:41,546
I would love to make
another 12 of them.
3686
02:33:41,838 --> 02:33:45,634
You know, I think there's
probably more life in Jason,
3687
02:33:45,926 --> 02:33:49,388
and there's just another
way to reintroduce him
3688
02:33:49,680 --> 02:33:51,139
into the next generation.
3689
02:33:51,431 --> 02:33:52,724
This is how much of a nerd I am.
3690
02:33:53,016 --> 02:33:55,018
I got chills, which is crazy.
3691
02:33:55,310 --> 02:33:57,938
It's such an honor to be
a part of the series.
3692
02:33:58,230 --> 02:34:01,483
It's mind blowing because when I
hear Jason I think of Kane,
3693
02:34:01,775 --> 02:34:03,777
C.J. Graham, Ted White.
3694
02:34:04,069 --> 02:34:05,904
You know, I think,
Oh, yeah, that's right.
3695
02:34:06,196 --> 02:34:09,408
I got to play Jason.
How unreal is that?
3696
02:34:09,700 --> 02:34:11,993
If they do a sequel,
I would like to return.
3697
02:34:12,285 --> 02:34:13,912
But if not, even if I'm not
asked or I don't return,
3698
02:34:14,204 --> 02:34:15,831
I'm a fan of the series.
3699
02:34:16,123 --> 02:34:16,957
I just want to see
more Jason films,
3700
02:34:17,249 --> 02:34:22,249
and I'm totally cool with that.
3701
02:34:37,477 --> 02:34:40,188
No matter when or if
3702
02:34:40,480 --> 02:34:43,316
Jason Voorhees ever hangs up
his mask and machete,
3703
02:34:43,608 --> 02:34:46,153
fans will always have
their Crystal Lake Memories
3704
02:34:46,445 --> 02:34:49,197
to remind them that the world
would indeed
3705
02:34:49,489 --> 02:34:53,410
be a must darker place
without FRIDAY THE 13TH.
3706
02:34:53,702 --> 02:34:55,787
It's fun to think that Jason,
3707
02:34:56,079 --> 02:34:58,999
who started off as just this
little surprise ending
3708
02:34:59,291 --> 02:35:01,051
on the first one,
has turned into a pop icon,
3709
02:35:01,209 --> 02:35:03,086
a virtual cottage industry.
3710
02:35:03,378 --> 02:35:05,630
I don't think anybody,
3711
02:35:05,922 --> 02:35:08,091
myself, Sean or Steve
3712
02:35:08,383 --> 02:35:09,801
or pretty much anybody involved
with that picture,
3713
02:35:10,093 --> 02:35:13,054
had any idea that
FRIDAY THE 13TH
3714
02:35:13,346 --> 02:35:17,559
would spawn twelve and who knows
how many more films?
3715
02:35:17,851 --> 02:35:19,478
I know I didn't.
3716
02:35:19,770 --> 02:35:22,105
Honestly, FRIDAY THE 13TH
has given me a gift
3717
02:35:22,397 --> 02:35:25,233
that is just bigger
than life itself.
3718
02:35:25,525 --> 02:35:27,986
A movie that I didn't
give two cents for
3719
02:35:28,278 --> 02:35:30,947
in the beginning
has brought me into the world
3720
02:35:31,239 --> 02:35:32,324
and into the lives of people
who have viewed it
3721
02:35:32,616 --> 02:35:34,326
in a very special way.
3722
02:35:34,618 --> 02:35:36,286
If that's how people saw me,
3723
02:35:36,578 --> 02:35:39,164
as kind of the strong,
intelligent woman,
3724
02:35:39,456 --> 02:35:43,418
it made me feel
pretty empowered.
3725
02:35:43,710 --> 02:35:46,922
To be able to carry it with me
for the rest of my life,
3726
02:35:47,214 --> 02:35:49,341
this fun cult film,
3727
02:35:49,633 --> 02:35:51,134
it's something to talk about,
3728
02:35:51,426 --> 02:35:52,746
it's a great
conversation starter.
3729
02:35:52,844 --> 02:35:54,221
I can say I was in
FRIDAY THE 13TH,
3730
02:35:54,513 --> 02:35:56,681
and I gave Jason
his hockey mask,
3731
02:35:56,973 --> 02:35:59,184
and nobody doesn't know
what I'm talking about.
3732
02:35:59,476 --> 02:36:00,596
Everyone knows what what is.
3733
02:36:00,852 --> 02:36:02,521
I'm really proud of it.
3734
02:36:02,813 --> 02:36:06,066
I'm part of history,
film history.
3735
02:36:06,358 --> 02:36:08,151
You know,
this is my first job ever,
3736
02:36:08,443 --> 02:36:10,028
and there I was
the lead of this film
3737
02:36:10,320 --> 02:36:12,864
and that sort of,
I think that started me off
3738
02:36:13,156 --> 02:36:16,785
to a good path of eventually
lots of doctor and lawyer roles.
3739
02:36:17,077 --> 02:36:18,578
It's like a badge of honor,
you know,
3740
02:36:18,870 --> 02:36:20,550
of all the iconic horror
figures, you know,
3741
02:36:20,705 --> 02:36:23,625
to be killed by Jason,
it's really cool.
3742
02:36:23,917 --> 02:36:26,127
The quote is 'you're not
an actor
3743
02:36:26,419 --> 02:36:28,713
unless you've done
a FRIDAY THE 13TH movie.'
3744
02:36:29,005 --> 02:36:31,842
There are so many people I run
into all the time that say,
3745
02:36:32,133 --> 02:36:33,802
You know, I was in
a FRIDAY THE 13TH.
3746
02:36:34,094 --> 02:36:36,429
The fact that We become an 'non
3747
02:36:36,721 --> 02:36:39,766
is the weirdest experience
of my life.
3748
02:36:40,058 --> 02:36:41,601
Because, you know,
there's no reward
3749
02:36:41,893 --> 02:36:42,727
when you're making
the damn thing.
3750
02:36:43,019 --> 02:36:44,437
It's a year later
when it comes out.
3751
02:36:44,729 --> 02:36:45,522
You're listening to the screams
and the applause
3752
02:36:45,814 --> 02:36:48,275
and that's what that's
why we do it, you know.
3753
02:36:48,567 --> 02:36:50,610
We went and had a great time
watching people
3754
02:36:50,902 --> 02:36:52,362
watch the movie.
3755
02:36:52,654 --> 02:36:57,659
Again, you don't see that
very much now.
3756
02:36:57,951 --> 02:37:01,955
Well I guess in some weird way
these are classics?
3757
02:37:02,247 --> 02:37:05,292
So I'm happy people enjoy 'em,
3758
02:37:05,584 --> 02:37:09,087
and can laugh about it and not
take us all too seriously.
3759
02:37:09,379 --> 02:37:12,757
A lot of actors tend to like
kind of shy away from it,
3760
02:37:13,049 --> 02:37:14,342
kind of put it in their past,
look the other way,
3761
02:37:14,634 --> 02:37:17,345
act likes it's a porn
or something
3762
02:37:17,637 --> 02:37:18,305
that they're not proud of and
they just would rather not admit
3763
02:37:18,597 --> 02:37:19,973
that it ever happened.
3764
02:37:20,265 --> 02:37:22,142
For me, I feel
quite differently about it.
3765
02:37:22,434 --> 02:37:24,644
I'm grateful to the fans
of the horror world,
3766
02:37:24,936 --> 02:37:26,813
and I am grateful that,
you know,
3767
02:37:27,105 --> 02:37:28,481
I was welcomed
with such open arms
3768
02:37:28,773 --> 02:37:30,233
by the fans of the franchise.
3769
02:37:30,525 --> 02:37:32,402
I loved playing Tommy Jarvis.
3770
02:37:32,694 --> 02:37:34,988
Corey set it up so great
in PART 4
3771
02:37:35,280 --> 02:37:37,741
that it was like
passing the torch.
3772
02:37:38,033 --> 02:37:40,076
And of course he goes on
to PART 6.
3773
02:37:40,368 --> 02:37:43,204
He at least lives, so I must
have done something right.
3774
02:37:43,496 --> 02:37:44,789
I just want everyone to know
I had a great time,
3775
02:37:45,081 --> 02:37:46,561
I was really proud
to be a part of it.
3776
02:37:46,666 --> 02:37:49,377
I am very grateful,
3777
02:37:49,669 --> 02:37:52,047
and I'm glad we can all share a
good laugh... or a scream.
3778
02:37:52,339 --> 02:37:54,215
Ethel: Ayyyy-ahhh!
3779
02:37:54,507 --> 02:37:56,927
No matter how twisted
these movies seem,
3780
02:37:57,218 --> 02:38:01,056
there's something that actually
kind of interweaves
3781
02:38:01,348 --> 02:38:03,975
this whole big group of people
that makes it one big family.
3782
02:38:04,267 --> 02:38:06,061
Host: Never in the course
of film history
3783
02:38:06,353 --> 02:38:08,313
has a single date
3784
02:38:08,605 --> 02:38:10,273
meant so much to our culture
3785
02:38:10,565 --> 02:38:13,526
than that of FRIDAY THE 13TH.
3786
02:38:13,818 --> 02:38:15,362
It was a party for the launch
3787
02:38:15,654 --> 02:38:18,490
of the Crystal Lake Memories
book.
3788
02:38:18,782 --> 02:38:21,826
And then of course,
Jason showed up and, you know,
3789
02:38:22,118 --> 02:38:23,787
cut the cake with a machete and
that was awfully fun and silly.
3790
02:38:24,079 --> 02:38:28,875
[cheers and applause]
3791
02:38:29,167 --> 02:38:31,795
And I got to meet
my father and mother
3792
02:38:32,087 --> 02:38:34,464
from the films,
and we had a photo,
3793
02:38:34,756 --> 02:38:36,556
and we felt like we were
a family reconnected,
3794
02:38:36,633 --> 02:38:37,968
found each other again.
3795
02:38:38,259 --> 02:38:40,845
And she's this little adult now,
3796
02:38:41,137 --> 02:38:42,722
I think she's going off to
college, bless her heart,
3797
02:38:43,014 --> 02:38:44,614
we did really well,
she turned out great.
3798
02:38:44,891 --> 02:38:48,061
FRIDAY THE 13TH has been
an anchor for a lot of people
3799
02:38:48,353 --> 02:38:50,271
for those who just had it
as entertainment,
3800
02:38:50,563 --> 02:38:53,566
but for filmmakers,
directors, writers.
3801
02:38:53,858 --> 02:38:56,736
Several years back
I had the great opportunity
3802
02:38:57,028 --> 02:38:59,239
to be cast as the standby
for Hugh Jackman
3803
02:38:59,531 --> 02:39:01,700
in the Broadway show
The Boy from Oz.
3804
02:39:01,992 --> 02:39:05,161
His whole dream
to grow up and become an actor
3805
02:39:05,453 --> 02:39:08,081
was based on Jason,
he wanted to play Jason.
3806
02:39:08,373 --> 02:39:09,916
REPORTER: So do you ever think
that you'll ever play Jason
3807
02:39:10,208 --> 02:39:12,419
in one of those
FRIDAY THE 13THs?
3808
02:39:12,711 --> 02:39:14,591
HUGH JACKMAN: Oh man,
you've done your research.
3809
02:39:14,671 --> 02:39:16,673
That's what inspired him
to be an actor.
3810
02:39:16,965 --> 02:39:18,299
I saw everyone was committed
to doing their job
3811
02:39:18,591 --> 02:39:21,344
to 100% and, you know,
3812
02:39:21,636 --> 02:39:22,470
it made me in a way fall in love
3813
02:39:22,762 --> 02:39:24,305
with what it is that I do.
3814
02:39:24,597 --> 02:39:26,641
I do think these movies
are essential.
3815
02:39:26,933 --> 02:39:29,853
I think they allow us to live
out some weird dark part
3816
02:39:30,145 --> 02:39:31,271
of our personalities.
3817
02:39:31,563 --> 02:39:33,898
I think they're healthy.
3818
02:39:34,190 --> 02:39:35,984
I don't think they're negative
on society.
3819
02:39:36,276 --> 02:39:38,111
I think that's an excuse.
3820
02:39:38,403 --> 02:39:40,739
We all love, you know,
being scared
3821
02:39:41,031 --> 02:39:41,948
and wondering what's happening
behind us and around us.
3822
02:39:42,240 --> 02:39:43,950
[scream]
3823
02:39:44,242 --> 02:39:46,077
I think that's why they last,
honestly.
3824
02:39:46,369 --> 02:39:48,621
FRIDAY THE 13TH is always
a great date movie, you know.
3825
02:39:48,913 --> 02:39:50,331
We like to say we've been
bringing people together
3826
02:39:50,623 --> 02:39:51,332
for thirty years.
3827
02:39:51,624 --> 02:39:54,002
[scream]
3828
02:39:54,294 --> 02:39:57,005
For guys like us who like
horror,
3829
02:39:57,297 --> 02:39:59,340
and who like Jason,
Michael and Freddy,
3830
02:39:59,632 --> 02:40:02,218
they're part of our culture
and so,
3831
02:40:02,510 --> 02:40:03,803
you know, we'll tell our kids
about these stories.
3832
02:40:04,095 --> 02:40:06,765
That is what made it scary
3833
02:40:07,057 --> 02:40:09,267
was the fact that you could only
deter them.
3834
02:40:09,559 --> 02:40:12,353
There was no way
of killing them.
3835
02:40:12,645 --> 02:40:13,855
They were gonna be around for
the next generation
3836
02:40:14,147 --> 02:40:15,356
and the next movie,
3837
02:40:15,648 --> 02:40:17,567
No matter what
you did to them...
3838
02:40:17,859 --> 02:40:19,444
they were gonna be back.
3839
02:40:19,736 --> 02:40:21,738
How long will this go on?
Who knows?
3840
02:40:22,030 --> 02:40:26,826
It could go on for another
20, 30 years. Who knows?
3841
02:40:27,118 --> 02:40:29,245
The amazing following
that we have,
3842
02:40:29,537 --> 02:40:31,915
I had no idea,
and I'm so pleasantly surprised
3843
02:40:32,207 --> 02:40:34,459
of the fans and everybody.
3844
02:40:34,751 --> 02:40:36,419
They're so nice,
and I feel really proud
3845
02:40:36,711 --> 02:40:38,546
to have been a part of it.
3846
02:40:38,838 --> 02:40:41,007
I'm just amazed at the
phenomenon this has become.
3847
02:40:41,299 --> 02:40:43,802
I never dreamed when I was
doing the film then
3848
02:40:44,094 --> 02:40:46,638
the effect it would have
on so many people
3849
02:40:46,930 --> 02:40:49,099
and how there would be such
a following 30 years later.
3850
02:40:49,390 --> 02:40:51,601
And I'm so grateful to the fans
for their loyalty.
3851
02:40:51,893 --> 02:40:53,186
They've shown me a lot of love
3852
02:40:53,478 --> 02:40:56,898
and that's been very uplifting
and surprising.
3853
02:40:57,190 --> 02:41:00,026
L've never met as many people
3854
02:41:00,318 --> 02:41:03,279
that are as excited
about saying hello
3855
02:41:03,571 --> 02:41:04,614
to some guy
that wore a hockey mask
3856
02:41:04,906 --> 02:41:06,908
and getting his signature.
3857
02:41:07,200 --> 02:41:11,329
They know more about me than I
know about myself half the time.
3858
02:41:11,621 --> 02:41:14,207
And they're terrific. They're
terrific, terrific people.
3859
02:41:14,499 --> 02:41:16,209
You know, as Andy Warhol said,
3860
02:41:16,501 --> 02:41:18,211
we all have fifteen minutes
of fame.
3861
02:41:18,503 --> 02:41:20,547
And thanks to FRIDAY THE 13TH,
3862
02:41:20,839 --> 02:41:24,843
my fifteen minutes,
it keeps going.
3863
02:41:25,135 --> 02:41:27,762
You know, it may be a one-time
thing for me, I don't know,
3864
02:41:28,054 --> 02:41:29,414
but it has been
a great experience.
3865
02:41:29,514 --> 02:41:31,307
I'm taking pictures
with 4-year-olds
3866
02:41:31,599 --> 02:41:33,852
with machetes and masks,
babies with masks on.
3867
02:41:34,144 --> 02:41:35,562
Most of them come up to me
and say,
3868
02:41:35,854 --> 02:41:37,174
Hey, you scared
the shit out of me
3869
02:41:37,230 --> 02:41:38,565
when I was 8 years old,
you know.
3870
02:41:38,857 --> 02:41:39,607
And I say, Well,
what were you doing
3871
02:41:39,899 --> 02:41:41,219
watching the movie
at 8 years old?
3872
02:41:41,484 --> 02:41:42,764
When you get that
cult following,
3873
02:41:42,944 --> 02:41:44,944
when you get that group
of people who's so into it,
3874
02:41:45,029 --> 02:41:47,699
it never goes away.
3875
02:41:47,991 --> 02:41:49,659
They would have stopped making
those movies a long time ago
3876
02:41:49,951 --> 02:41:52,704
if they weren't successful.
3877
02:41:52,996 --> 02:41:55,277
And success isn't just money,
it's people want to see 'em,
3878
02:41:55,540 --> 02:41:57,208
it's desire,
and they trigger something,
3879
02:41:57,500 --> 02:41:59,294
and they become an institution.
3880
02:41:59,586 --> 02:42:02,046
It's so weird now to go into
these different stores
3881
02:42:02,338 --> 02:42:04,424
and see these plastic
hockey masks
3882
02:42:04,716 --> 02:42:07,010
that are just there
because of the FRIDAY thing.
3883
02:42:07,302 --> 02:42:11,055
Between toys, novelizations,
non-fiction books, video games,
3884
02:42:11,347 --> 02:42:13,349
if everyone remembers
that wonderful Nintendo
3885
02:42:13,641 --> 02:42:14,726
Entertainment System game.
3886
02:42:15,018 --> 02:42:17,270
He is no less marketable
than Ronald McDonald
3887
02:42:17,562 --> 02:42:19,022
or Mickey Mouse at this point.
3888
02:42:19,314 --> 02:42:21,608
It's really become part of
the everyday culture
3889
02:42:21,900 --> 02:42:23,820
in the American culture
and throughout the world.
3890
02:42:24,110 --> 02:42:25,904
It's just an incredible
opportunity
3891
02:42:26,196 --> 02:42:28,364
of experiencing something
that, you know,
3892
02:42:28,656 --> 02:42:30,909
you're going to look back
15, 20 years, 30 years,
3893
02:42:31,201 --> 02:42:32,961
and just remember that you were
part of that.
3894
02:42:33,119 --> 02:42:35,038
What gave me nightmares
as a child,
3895
02:42:35,330 --> 02:42:38,416
now it's like a weird full
circle. lt's so bizarre.
3896
02:42:38,708 --> 02:42:40,752
How the heck did I get here?
3897
02:42:41,044 --> 02:42:43,129
It's kind of like I've jumped in
through my computer monitor,
3898
02:42:43,421 --> 02:42:46,174
and I've joined this secret,
fun, murdering society.
3899
02:42:46,466 --> 02:42:47,926
Playing a character that's
known around the world
3900
02:42:48,218 --> 02:42:50,929
is an amazing feeling
3901
02:42:51,221 --> 02:42:53,348
and something
I'm really proud of,
3902
02:42:53,640 --> 02:42:56,768
and I never expected
anything like that
3903
02:42:57,060 --> 02:42:59,354
going into this career
as a stuntman,
3904
02:42:59,646 --> 02:43:01,522
and I've just been very lucky,
3905
02:43:01,814 --> 02:43:04,150
and I'll always love the fact
that I was Jason.
3906
02:43:04,442 --> 02:43:07,278
FRIDAY THE 13TH
in this long odyssey
3907
02:43:07,570 --> 02:43:10,406
towards becoming iconic horror
filmmaking,
3908
02:43:10,698 --> 02:43:13,326
it's just an amazing phenomenon.
3909
02:43:13,618 --> 02:43:15,828
I swear to God,
I don't understand it,
3910
02:43:16,120 --> 02:43:21,120
and I'm just grateful
that it happened.
3911
02:43:30,134 --> 02:43:32,303
And there you have it,
the story of Jason Voorhees.
3912
02:43:32,595 --> 02:43:34,722
For now he may be quiet,
3913
02:43:35,014 --> 02:43:38,101
but he will be back.
3914
02:43:38,393 --> 02:43:40,853
The one thing
we know for sure...
3915
02:43:41,145 --> 02:43:42,939
Jason's horrific reign of evil
3916
02:43:43,231 --> 02:43:45,984
is eternal...
3917
02:43:46,276 --> 02:43:47,944
immortal...
3918
02:43:48,236 --> 02:43:56,236
and unstoppable.
3919
02:43:59,080 --> 02:44:02,041
Jason is still out there...
3920
02:44:02,333 --> 02:44:07,380
and maybe... just maybe...
3921
02:44:07,672 --> 02:44:12,672
he's closer than you think.
3922
02:44:27,942 --> 02:44:31,362
Kill her, Mommy.
3923
02:44:31,654 --> 02:44:35,158
Paul there's somebody
in this room.
3924
02:44:35,450 --> 02:44:37,827
There's somebody
in this fucking room!
3925
02:44:38,119 --> 02:44:43,291
Whooo! This feels good!
3926
02:44:43,583 --> 02:44:45,001
Dude, that goalie was pissed
about something.
3927
02:44:45,293 --> 02:44:46,794
If Vera had...
3928
02:44:47,086 --> 02:44:48,171
Boo!
3929
02:44:48,463 --> 02:44:51,215
[Scream] Ohhhh!
3930
02:44:51,507 --> 02:44:54,552
It's that creep Shelly.
What a sick sense of humor.
3931
02:44:54,844 --> 02:44:56,637
Why do you do these
stupid things?
3932
02:44:56,929 --> 02:44:58,806
I just want you to like me.
3933
02:44:59,098 --> 02:45:01,098
I have seen enough horror
movies to know any weirdo
3934
02:45:01,351 --> 02:45:03,644
wearing a mask is never
friendly.
3935
02:45:03,936 --> 02:45:05,646
I don't think so, Maddy.
3936
02:45:05,938 --> 02:45:07,618
You could use a little
touch-up work first.
3937
02:45:07,690 --> 02:45:13,571
Need a little bit of touch-up
work, my ass.
3938
02:45:13,863 --> 02:45:16,908
This sucks on so many levels!
3939
02:45:17,200 --> 02:45:21,412
Now I say we regroup,
3940
02:45:21,704 --> 02:45:23,289
and let's go find
this mother-fucker
3941
02:45:23,581 --> 02:45:26,709
before he finds us. Huh?
Are you with me?
3942
02:45:27,001 --> 02:45:28,441
You didn't get me
in the lake, Jason,
3943
02:45:28,669 --> 02:45:34,050
and you're not going to get
me now!
3944
02:45:34,342 --> 02:45:36,969
Tommy! Tommy,
get the hell out of here!
3945
02:45:37,261 --> 02:45:38,901
That's what's known as
screwin' the pooch!
3946
02:45:39,097 --> 02:45:44,394
Bad news Crews.
3947
02:45:44,685 --> 02:45:50,983
I'm in the mood for I feel
like a Jarvis Sandwich!
3948
02:45:51,275 --> 02:45:53,986
When I looked into that mirror
I knew I'd always be ugly.
3949
02:45:54,278 --> 02:45:59,325
I said, 'Lizzie, you'll
always be plain.
3950
02:45:59,617 --> 02:46:01,869
Are you ready for Tony
the Wonder Llama?
3951
02:46:02,161 --> 02:46:03,788
I told you to sit on it, Tonto.
3952
02:46:04,080 --> 02:46:04,914
Hey, you're lucky
you weren't alive
3953
02:46:05,206 --> 02:46:08,042
during the Microsoft conflict.
3954
02:46:08,334 --> 02:46:09,377
We were beating each other over
the heads
3955
02:46:09,669 --> 02:46:11,129
with our own severed limbs.
3956
02:46:11,421 --> 02:46:13,631
Come on, Sara, strip and dip?
3957
02:46:13,923 --> 02:46:17,510
Freddy died by fire,
Jason by water.
3958
02:46:17,802 --> 02:46:22,640
How can we use that?
3959
02:46:22,932 --> 02:46:25,059
Dude, that's not a good look
for you.
3960
02:46:25,351 --> 02:46:27,854
You ask the one black guy to
pump the gas for you? Shit.
3961
02:46:28,146 --> 02:46:32,108
Do you...
3962
02:46:32,400 --> 02:46:34,320
You know, I gave up a weekend
with Mary Jo Conrad
3963
02:46:34,444 --> 02:46:36,320
to be here with you.
3964
02:46:36,612 --> 02:46:38,656
You know, Jimmy,
you're a dead fuck.
3965
02:46:38,948 --> 02:46:42,034
Yeah, well, I guess
I do owe you.
3966
02:46:42,326 --> 02:46:45,413
You slut! [laughter]
3967
02:46:45,705 --> 02:46:50,251
Stay here. Relax.
L'll be right back.
3968
02:46:50,543 --> 02:46:55,923
I'm gonna chop you into itty-
bitty little pieces, my friend.
3969
02:46:56,215 --> 02:46:58,301
Just like I done to that piggo
3970
02:46:58,593 --> 02:47:00,178
over at that fuckin' crazy farm.
3971
02:47:00,470 --> 02:47:02,180
You tell 'em, Ma!
3972
02:47:02,472 --> 02:47:05,600
Ayyyyyy-ahhhh!
3973
02:47:05,892 --> 02:47:13,892
Melissa's a bitch. [laughter]
No, I can't even do it.
3974
02:47:14,650 --> 02:47:17,010
Jason belongs in hell. And I'm
gonna see that he gets there.
3975
02:47:17,278 --> 02:47:21,157
Wherever the red dot goes,
ya bang.
3976
02:47:21,449 --> 02:47:23,451
Nobody's gonna touch that
fuckin' ray of sunshine.
3977
02:47:23,743 --> 02:47:25,328
[tongue lapping sound]
3978
02:47:25,620 --> 02:47:27,205
Rrrrrrrrruffff!
3979
02:47:27,497 --> 02:47:30,500
My earring
3980
02:47:30,791 --> 02:47:33,586
Must be my imagination.
3981
02:47:33,878 --> 02:47:35,755
Survival's the name of the game,
3982
02:47:36,047 --> 02:47:39,842
and that flag is mine.
3983
02:47:40,134 --> 02:47:42,178
We never should have
let her play.
3984
02:47:42,470 --> 02:47:44,847
Oh God, somebody help!
He's trying to kill me!
3985
02:47:45,139 --> 02:47:48,100
You're not just a lousy doctor,
3986
02:47:48,392 --> 02:47:50,811
you're a blank-blank-blank
coward! [laughter]
3987
02:47:51,103 --> 02:47:54,190
Aww, what scary man?
3988
02:47:54,482 --> 02:47:56,859
It's the best. The best!
3989
02:47:57,151 --> 02:47:59,237
You're talking
to the prom queen, Eva.
3990
02:47:59,529 --> 02:48:01,239
Do you really think I'm going to
risk getting caught?
3991
02:48:01,531 --> 02:48:03,282
What's brown
and sits on a piano?
3992
02:48:03,574 --> 02:48:05,159
Beethoven's last movement.
3993
02:48:05,451 --> 02:48:07,078
[party horn sound]
3994
02:48:07,370 --> 02:48:08,690
Hey buddy, where are you,
Michael?
3995
02:48:08,955 --> 02:48:11,123
Hey buddy? [party horn sound]
3996
02:48:11,415 --> 02:48:13,584
Ben? Are you
coming back or not?
3997
02:48:13,876 --> 02:48:15,253
And then [slashing sound]
3998
02:48:15,545 --> 02:48:17,004
That's it. Come to Momma.
3999
02:48:17,296 --> 02:48:19,215
Mmmm. Smart and sexy.
4000
02:48:19,507 --> 02:48:24,554
[sounds of agony]
4001
02:48:24,845 --> 02:48:26,605
The story could have happened
anywhere, dude.
4002
02:48:26,639 --> 02:48:29,559
That's how they get little kids
to shit themselves.
4003
02:48:29,850 --> 02:48:34,188
May I please have the
wallet ma'am.
4004
02:48:34,480 --> 02:48:37,316
You've got perfect
nipple placement, baby.
4005
02:48:37,608 --> 02:48:40,403
L've actually said that
to a woman before.
4006
02:48:40,695 --> 02:48:43,030
Wow, you really know how to
make a girl feel special.
4007
02:48:43,322 --> 02:48:47,827
Jason's out there.
And he's hungry.
4008
02:48:48,119 --> 02:48:52,540
Ma'am...
we didn't find any boy.
4009
02:48:52,832 --> 02:49:00,832
Then he's still there.
4010
02:49:01,507 --> 02:49:04,927
Yeah, when I was doing the
films CLERKS, MALL RATS,
4011
02:49:05,219 --> 02:49:07,930
CHASING AMY and JAY AND SILENT
BOB STRIKE BACK,
4012
02:49:08,222 --> 02:49:11,726
um... wait a minute...
I wasn't in those movies.
322029
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