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Which one of those pictures is Kathie?

Kathie? Oh.

This is Kathie.

Jim McCormack: Hey, Mom? I don't remember seeing this picture,

- like, for the life of me. - Oh, I have pictures laying all over the place.

I'm looking at Kathie in this picture,

and she was so elegant

- to look at that here. - Oh, well, you can have it.

Well, they all miss her.

That was sad.

Very sad.

Okay?

Jim McCormack: We want closure on her disappearance.

We could finally have a memorial service

'cause we held off on doing a memorial service for Kathie

because it's almost like giving up.

We have got to have the patience to see it through.

We're not gonna be judge, jury, and executioner.

That's somebody else's job. But, um, life...

life'll go on for everybody at that point in time.

reporter : So how do you take a case that is like...

it's the murder of Susan Berman,

but everything dates back really to the disappearance

of Kathie Durst. We're talking almost 40 years.

All these years, Jim was obsessive.

It got difficult for me,

but even my family and friends were like,

"What he's doing is the right thing.

He's pursuing justice for Kathie."

Jim McCormack: Emotionally, I'm here really for her,

and for my mom, God rest her soul.

We've waited all these years for justice.

Newscaster : We have some breaking news in the Jinx murder trial.

Defendant Robert Durst will take the stand

in his own defense.

This isn't the first time he's been on trial for murder.

We know the last one ended in an acquittal.

I'm still shaking my head on that one.

Susan Criss : We the jury find the defendant,

Robert Durst, not guilty.

Jim McCormack: I still remember

the verdict down in Galveston.

I couldn't breathe for about a minute and a half.

It was like... it was stunning.

Absolutely stunning.

You know, I have faith, but faith doesn't always,

deliver justice.

♪ Well, you just think that I'm ♪

♪ Some great survivor ♪

♪ And you just build upon ♪

♪ The light to carry you ♪

♪ Well, I don't even talk that way ♪

♪ See, I wanted you to stay ♪

♪ And show you the world's a better place ♪

♪ And as we crawl to find our way ♪

♪ We even take the shape of something else ♪

♪ You think that I'm just ♪

♪ Some great survivor ♪

♪ You think that I'm just ♪

♪ Some great survivor ♪

♪ I'm afraid that the weight of the world ♪

♪ Is catching up with you ♪

John Lewin: Bob is gonna testify in this case.

And the reason Bob is gonna testify in this case

is because it worked for him last time.

Bob made a fine witness in his own behalf in Galveston

and the prosecutors there did not know what was coming.

Ethan Milius: When they stipulated to Bob

having written the Cadaver Note,

he has to testify. How else is he gonna explain

that he wrote the letter

and the circumstance of why is she dead?

Like, how did that happen?

Charles Bagli: How is he gonna knit this all together

without making himself the perpetrator?

Bailiff: Please raise your right hand.

Do you solemnly state that the testimony you may give

in the cause now pending before this court

shall be the truth, the whole truth,

and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Robert Durst: Yes, I do.

Dick DeGuerin: Bob, do you realize

you have an absolute right not to testify?

DeGuerin: Did you kill Susan Berman?

No.

DeGuerin: Do you know who did?

No, I do not.

DeGuerin: It's important for the jury

to be able to identify with a defendant in some way,

whether it's sympathy, empathy, or...

simply believing the story.

We had one goal

and that was telling the whole story.

I wanna first ask you

about some of your health problems.

Are you able to hear me

without using that screen in front of you?

Carlos Leal: You're looking at this old guy,

going, "Wow, could he really have done this?"

You just don't know.

DeGuerin: I wanna start with talking about

when you were a child.

Who, among your family, did you favor,

and who among your family did your brother Douglas favor?

Bagli: Bob was the oldest of four

and I think, to some degree,

he resented his siblings.

His hatred for his brother Douglas

goes back to when they were children.

Really small children.

And it's clear that he really cherished his mother.

DeGuerin: How old were you when your mother died?

Durst: I was 7 years old when my mother died.

I looked out the window, and there was Mommy on the roof.

She either jumped or fell

from the roof of our home.

DeGuerin: I think it is important

in anybody understanding Bob

to know what he had been through.

And the fact is that he saw his mother die.

Were you there when that happened?

I saw my mother on the driveway...

in her nightgown.

They say she died instantly.

David Chesnoff: This isn't like Bob woke up one day

and decided to be the Bob he is.

Just like you and me, we're all the product of

what led us to a point in time.

And he had a lot of things

that led him to be the way he is.

DeGuerin: I'm gonna change subjects with you, Bob.

When you first met Susan Berman,

- did you and she hit it off? - Yes.

DeGuerin: What did you find in common with you and Susan?

Carmen Kletecka: He has a way of drawing you in

like the way a child draws you in.

Something about him just sort of makes you wanna...

help him.

Milius: He takes the stand, and I'm thinking to myself, like,

"This might actually be a problem

because he's compelling."

I can see people going,

"I actually like this guy."

And that, like,

shifts the sympathy towards him.

Hon. Mark Windham: We're all complex people,

and I think that that's what Mr. Durst tried to share

and his lawyers tried to share about him.

And I felt that the defense was really good

at getting at the emotion of a case.

Really good defense lawyers can mine that

and, in the right circumstances, can succeed.

Operator : Hello. This is a prepaid call from...

Durst : Bob!

- Debrah Lee Charatan : Hi. - Durst: Debbie?

Charatan: How did it go today?

Durst: I'm not 100% sure.

I think we did pretty good.

Charatan: Okay, that's great.

Durst: How about coming to visit me?

Charatan: Um...

Well, you know, I don't know.

Windham: Ordinarily, a spouse is present

when their spouse is, is, is on trial.

We would've provided a seat for her

but she had not been present for any of the proceedings.

Bagli: Debbie made it clear that she did not want

her name mentioned

if she could do anything to avoid it.

So she was monitoring the trial from afar,

and she was doing so through

the presence of her own lawyer,

who attended the trial every day for months

and was keeping an eye on everything.

- He's in the fucking show, Charlie. Just... - I know! Let him be in there!

I don't wanna be the one that mentions his name!

Windham: You may resume your direct examination

of Mr. Durst, the defendant.

DeGuerin: So now, I wanna talk about

the fall of 2000.

Had you made plans

to spend Christmas with Susan Berman?

Yeah.

DeGuerin: What route did you take from San Francisco?

DeGuerin: And your intent was to do what?

DeGuerin: As you got to Benedict Canyon,

what did you first see?

And I knocked a few times.

DeGuerin: Did you have a key to her front door?

DeGuerin: Did you see what the liquid was that her head was in?

DeGuerin: What was going through your mind? What did you think?

John Okanishi: When Bob Durst took the stand,

he talked with such sincerity that I believed him.

I thought, "I get the feeling he's telling the truth.

He's going into so much detail."

He did have credibility.

DeGuerin: And then what happened from there?

DeGuerin: What did you put on the envelope?

DeGuerin: And on the inside, on the note?

DeGuerin: Did you lie about it for years?

DeGuerin: Why?

newscaster: Slow and methodical seems to be how Durst

is telling his side of the story.

And it seems that in the past, he's been,

I don't know, somewhat charismatic enough

to turn at least just one juror.

DeGuerin: I thought on direct examination,

Bob did quite well.

He knew what the questions would be.

He knew what his answers were gonna be.

They were basically softballs

that I pitched to him to hit.

But, of course, on cross-examination,

Lewin would have the chance to question Bob.

John Lewin: Okay, so go ahead and call me...

Working on Bob's cross-examination plan,

I thought, "How do I kind of guide and steer

this trial and his testimony where I want it to go?"

As I prepare, it's just me and the boys

on the bed, getting ready for trial.

Eugene Miyata: John was working on the cross plan.

At various points, he did share with us what was going on,

and we had input on, on certain things. But, um,

you know, for the most part, that was, that was his baby.

This is a prosecutor who knows his case inside out.

This is a prosecutor

who is living to win this case right now.

Lewin: I have a 300-page document

of all of Bob's lies.

And during my cross-examination of Bob,

there's a theme of what I want to do.

I wanna confront Bob on all of his statements

and let the jury see for themselves

that Bob is a pathological liar.

Bagli: It's the heavyweight bout.

John Lewin, the prosecutor,

versus Bob Durst, the defendant.

The question is, can Bob stand up to

what is clearly gonna be

a withering cross-examination by this prosecutor?

Newscaster: When John Lewin gets a chance to cross Robert Durst,

I can't even imagine how this is gonna go.

Because, I mean, John Lewin...

Windham: Okay.

Lewin: So, Mr. Durst, Mr. DeGuerin called you "Bob."

So, you tell me, how do you want me to refer to you?

I'm comfortable doing it however you want to do it.

Do you want me to call you "Bob"?

Do you want me to call you "Mr. Durst"?

What would you prefer?

I thought he was gonna be on his best behavior,

and he came off incredibly aggressive right off the top.

Lewin: Okay, I'll call you "sir."

Alright, sir. So, first of all, how do you...

I wanted to make sure

that the first thing I hit him on

had to do with the area that I was most vulnerable on.

Bob lost his mom at age 7.

And that's a fact.

That's not a lie. That's not made up.

Are there jurors who are basically gonna go,

"Yeah, Bob killed three people.

"But you know what?

"It all started with his mom,

and it's very sad."

When you think about these memories

of the four of you playing UNO, throwing the Frisbee,

are those painful or are those happy memories for you?

Happy memories.

Lewin: You could probably close your eyes right now,

and you could literally see the four of you

playing UNO,

throwing the Frisbee.

Is that accurate?

Yes.

And he's lying his ass off.

It's not true.

Lewin: Your mom died in 1950.

- Is that correct? - Correct.

Lewin: Mr. Durst, if I were to tell you

that the Frisbee was not invented until 1957...

seven years after your mom died,

what would be your response?

I don't know.

Lewin: Would it surprise you to find out that the game of UNO

was not invented until 1971?

Durst: It would surprise me, yes.

Lewin: Well, I want you to assume for a moment

that the Frisbee was not invented until 1957

and that UNO was not invented until 1971.

If that were true, you would agree

that these memories that you've described,

these emotional memories,

cannot be accurate. Is that correct?

Correct.

Within the first day, you know,

John Lewin's already getting him on lies.

And that was such a small detail, right?

And I'm thinking, "If John Lewin's going to get him

"on this small of a detail,

Bob is gonna be up there for a while."

Lewin: Alright, let's talk about some other areas of untruthfulness.

You're used to, in your world,

saying whatever you wanna say,

and nobody really questions it.

You said that you were not used to people

questioning your veracity.

Can you explain what you mean by that?

He was pretty funny at times on the witness stand.

He has a sharp sense of humor.

You know, he knew how to return the volley.

Lewin: You're smiling again, and I just wanna ask

why you're grinning right now.

'Cause this is funny.

Lewin: What is... What's funny about it?

You're asking me the same question 15 times.

Windham: It's a peculiar thing about criminal court.

You're dealing with

such tremendous suffering and horror,

and yet,

you have the whole of human experience

in that courtroom.

And there are humorous moments.

I mean, there's levity.

David Belcher: You wanna talk about, like,

sort of a show-stopping moment in the trial?

John's, like, asking a question,

and Bob has this tablet to help him read.

And so, he's reading the question,

and John's question was a little bit too long, and so...

- A lot too long. - A lot too long.

I think I need to congratulate you.

You have just broken your personal record.

You filled up 18 lines on my tablet.

Lewin: And I wanna congratulate you. You've set the perjury record.

DeGuerin: Objection, Your Honor.

- Chesnoff: I'm moving for a... - DeGuerin: Judge, you cannot let him get away with that.

Chesnoff: I have a motion, Your Honor.

Okanishi: At some points during the trial,

I actually felt kinda bad

for the defense lawyers.

Mr. DeGuerin would stand up and object...

Windham: Overruled!

Okanishi: again and again and again.

He almost seemed like a jack-in-the-box.

Lewin: Have you ever used those responses...

Bagli: They didn't understand

the peculiarities of California law.

DeGuerin: I found that requiring a citation

to a particular statute number was...

vexing, at first.

Lewin: Alright, let's move on.

Let's talk about Nick Chavin for a moment.

You agree that at the time Kathie disappeared...

Nick Chavin: I was eager to watch the trial

for two reasons. I wanted to hear

what Bob was saying in general,

and also specifically about me.

Lewin: Would you agree, Mr. Durst,

that the fact that one of the two people

that you've said is one of your best friends

has come into court and has provided

extremely damaging evidence

in this case against you? Would you agree?

Come on.

Lewin : Then why did you say that?

I feel pretty good about...

Either way, whether he's convicted or not.

That's a lousy thought to have.

Nick couldn't get to that point,

to think that this person is capable of this.

He even testified against Bob,

and he's still conflicted.

He didn't wanna let his brain go to that point

to understand that because it's...

It just destroys you, I think.

Lewin: Would you agree, Mr. Durst,

that if Nick Chavin's statement about you confessing to him

is believed, that that demonstrates

that you killed Susan Berman?

Lewin: Alright, let's talk about Susan Berman.

You agree that Susan Berman was your closest friend, correct?

Lewin: Mr. Durst, you stipulated that you wrote the Cadaver Note,

and you agree that once you stipulated

that meant, by necessity,

that you had found Susan's dead body, correct?

Lewin: And it also meant

that you needed to be able to explain

why it was you found yourself

at Susan's house, with her dead body,

when you weren't the killer. Correct?

George Shamlyan: When Robert Durst took the stand,

he was trying to tell a story which fit the evidence.

Coming here and having staycation

with Susan Berman on those days,

and finding her body

and writing the Cadaver Note.

Lewin: Bob has a very elaborate explanation

for what happened with Susan. And, of course,

everything that he said is bullshit about staycations

and how he found Susan's body.

But I need to conclusively prove

Bob is lying.

Tim Henderson: There's so much evidence in this case

and some of it became more relevant

after Bob chose to get on the stand.

Shamlyan: As he was testifying,

we remembered about the day planner

that was recovered from Susan Berman's house.

Henderson: A detective goes down to evidence.

He grabs the day planner,

brings it to court the next day.

We're literally in the back hallway,

and we're going through the day planner page by page.

Miyata: Originally, our tactic was gonna be,

let's look at it over the lunch hour.

We can figure out how we're gonna do this.

And then, that turned into John saying,

"Gimme the planner!" Right?

"Because I wanna question Bob about this."

Lewin: Alright, sir. We're gonna show you Susan's day planner.

You recognize this to be Susan's handwriting, correct?

Henderson: Susan wrote every single thing she was gonna do.

She would even write things, cross them out,

cover it up with a Post-it, and write new things.

She was meticulous with what she was gonna do

the week she was killed,

and none of them were to have

a staycation with Bob.

Habib Balian: From the day planner on this page,

which is open to December 28th, is a business card

for David Izenman Hair Studio.

Says, "December 28th at 11:00."

And then, on the 28th, it says, "11:00, David."

Lewin: See that, Mr. Durst?

Would you agree that on the 27th and 28th,

according to your testimony,

this is when you are supposed to be on a staycation with Susan?

Is that correct?

We don't see any Disneyland or Catalina.

Balian: The day planner represented reality.

We had Bob on the stand and his testimony,

which was fictional, right?

But you don't really know it's fictional

until you critically analyze it.

And that fiction kinda got faced

with the reality of the day planner,

and the two just collided.

Lewin: Do you see any notation, Mr. Durst,

that references you?

Henderson: Every single day of that month,

she was writing things.

In fact, she was gonna call Bobby

a few days after she was murdered,

which, obviously, she wasn't able to do.

Lewin: You see where it says, "call Bobby"?

Lewin: Are you aware that you did not answer my question

in that answer you gave? Or no?

Windham: Overruled!

Balian: Susan Berman's day planner

really demonstrated that just about everything Bob Durst

was saying on the stand was false.

Because she spoke to us,

she spoke to that jury through that day planner.

newscaster 1 : Here we are, a brand new day, a brand new week,

and Robert Durst's still on the witness stand,

still on cross-examination, fourth day of cross.

Newscaster 2 : I really think the prosecutor's still trying to prove

that there's so many lies in this huge web of lies

that Robert Durst has woven since the beginning

with the disappearance of his wife Kathie.

Lewin: This trial, Mr. Durst,

as you are aware, alleges a special circumstance

of witness killing.

That you killed Susan Berman

because you killed your wife,

and she helped you cover it up.

Lewin: Do you miss Kathie?

Yes.

Lewin: Tell me about her.

Lewin: What was she like?

Lewin: Would you agree she was

a very bright young woman?

Lewin: Beautiful?

Lewin : Would you agree that she was close to

and devoted to her family?

Durst : She was close to her sisters and her brother.

newscaster 1 : Right now, Robert Durst on cross-examination.

Newscaster 2: Today is day five.

Tomorrow will be day six of cross-examination.

Still plenty of cross-examination to come...

Jim McCormack: The trial in Los Angeles

was something that I watched daily.

It has been a roller coaster of emotions.

I want him to face up to his...

many, many transgressions, especially against Kathie.

I want him to be held accountable.

Lewin: It's your sworn testimony that you have no idea

what happened to Kathie, correct?

Durst : Correct.

Lewin: Alright, Mr. Durst, I wanna talk about

what has been referred to

as "the bathroom audio."

You're aware of this, correct?

Lewin: How did you feel

when Andrew Jarecki is showing you,

"Here's the Sareb note. Here's the Cadaver Note.

- Which one did you not write?" - Yes.

Lewin: And you walked into the bathroom right after that.

What did you say?

Lewin: Play the clip for Mr. Durst.

Durst : Killed them all, of course.

Lewin: Do you agree that you said those five words,

"Killed them all, of course"?

Lewin: So you think that you added

"they'll all think" before the words,

"I killed them all, of course"? Is that correct?

Please play it again. Please play it right before,

and I want you to listen very carefully.

I want you to tell me when you hear

any of the words you just described.

Durst : Killed them all, of course.

Do you agree that in the stipulated recording,

the unedited, stipulated recording,

that the only words that are on that recording at that section

are the five words, "Killed them all, of course"?

And would you agree, Mr. Durst, that those five words

are extremely incriminating?

No?

Since you cannot explain what is,

in essence can be argued as,

a confession, Mr. Durst,

why don't you just, right now,

put the facade down

and tell people what actually happened?

Why don't you just tell us right now,

get it out, and just tell us what you did?

This is your shot! Everyone's watching!

The world's watching you!

Here's your chance! Tell them what you did!

Lewin: Well, wait a minute.

Why did you say you never said

you knew where Kathie was buried?

You're saying that you don't even know if Kathie's dead,

you don't even know what happened to her.

Now, you're talking about where she's buried.

Again, only the killer could've known that.

How do you know Kathie's buried at all?

DeGuerin: I wanted to stop the cross-examination.

Bob was getting worse every day.

Lewin: I just wanna ask you, Mr. Durst.

Have you been completely honest with this jury

to the best of your memory?

Lewin: Would you lie under oath to help your case?

If you had killed Susan, would you tell us?

Michael Belcher: Bob gave some very unusual

and, some might say, extraordinarily honest answers

to some of John's questions.

I mean, who says that?

Lewin: How many instances of perjury

do you think you have committed

during your testimony in this trial?

Lewin: Bob, as usual,

is having to get around his lies

by telling bigger and crazier lies,

and the lies are like a snowball.

As they roll down the hill, the lies get bigger and crazier,

until they basically are a giant, huge snowball

out of a cartoon.

Once you admit that you would lie

to keep from admitting something damaging to the jury,

would you agree that that pretty much destroys

any credibility you would have?

Lewin: So, there's perjury, there's minor perjury,

then there's minor, minor perjury...

I did limit him. I put a limit. I can, and I did.

I think I helped guide him

to a slightly shorter cross-examination

than we would otherwise have had.

As it was, it was nine days.

That's the longest cross-examination

I've ever seen or heard of.

Lewin: This is my last question. As you sit here right now,

did you kill Susan Berman?

No.

Lewin: But if you had, you would lie about it, correct?

- Correct. - Lewin: Nothing further.

Hi.

Newscaster 1 : At the end of the day, it sounds like

Robert Durst taking the stand was a big mistake.

Newscaster 2 : The decision lies with the defendant,

so it's only his decision.

Newscaster 3: Yeah, I mean, look.

It was, it was certainly a tough call.

I'm not gonna sit here and question Dick DeGuerin.

Bagli: Bob's legal expenses

for his defense in Los Angeles

soared to about $12 million.

You would've expected a spectacular,

high-tech defense.

DeGuerin: Is this when the gun goes off?

Durst: Yes.

Bagli: But there were glaring examples,

time and again, of poor preparation.

Lisa DePaulo: I felt bad for DeGuerin.

He was not at the top of his game anymore.

He had to know that.

Whether you like Bob Durst or hate him,

whether you think he's a bad person or a liar,

your duty is to say "not guilty."

Thank you.

Lewin: I wanna thank you all for your time

and for your attention.

This man has killed three people in this case.

I don't care that he's old.

I don't care that he's sitting in a wheelchair.

I don't care that he's sick.

It's irrelevant!

Do not let

this narcissistic psychopath

get away with what he has done.

There's one verdict in this case, one verdict only.

That is guilty.

newscaster 1: All the evidence is in. The arguments have been made.

The Robert Durst trial is now in the hands of the jury.

newscaster 2 : Breaking news. The Durst trial has concluded.

Closing arguments, rebuttal, all done.

And up next, the jury has been sent to the room

with all their instructions to deliberate...

newscaster 2 : starting a clock for the verdict watch...

Jim McCormack: We have to just wait it out,

I guess, is the only way to describe it.

And it's full of a lot of stress and anxiety.

Newscaster 3 : Jury deliberations continue in the murder trial

for the 2000 murder of his friend...

Hilda Weiss: There was a whole lotta energy

by the time we got into the deliberation room

of needing to talk to each other,

one of the things that we couldn't do all this time.

And then, asking ourselves

what evidence really made a difference to us.

That's when things seemed to...

build intensity.

I stopped guessing about juries a long time ago

because it's either heart-breaking

or great exhilaration

and it doesn't do any good to read tea leaves.

We begin this hour in Los Angeles, California,

where day two of deliberations in the Jinx murder trial

ended without a verdict.

Nick Chavin: My wife and I think about how our lives

would change depending on the verdict.

The most frightening thing for her is an acquittal,

which has the madman on the loose.

Terry Chavin: It's really stressful.

Is it gonna be what we want?

Is it gonna be the verdict we want?

You know, he murdered all these people.

How could we let somebody out in our society,

prancing around,

acting like he didn't do anything wrong

when we all see what he did?

Everybody sees what he did.

Jarecki: It doesn't feel real

because the anticipation's been so endless.

And for Jim McCormack, it's been 40 years

of this suspense.

Sharon McCormack: It's been 40 years.

There's always bumps and bumps and bumps

and brick walls, and it just,

it seems to never end.

I just, I pray every day. I just want it to end.

Before our lives end, I want this to end.

Bagli: Something was in the air

and I wasn't sure what it was.

Then, a court administrator

comes out and whispers,

"We got a verdict."

- Sharon McCormack: Oh, my God! - Speaker: Oh, my goodness!

Sharon McCormack: Oh, my God, guys! I'm actually...

I'm already crying, I'm so worried about this...

Don't cry. Just get-get me another beer, please.

Windham: I was informed

that they would not transport Mr. Durst to court

because he had been exposed to COVID.

Newscaster: Robert Durst is being isolated

after possible COVID exposure.

Now, they're arguing about

the process of actually reading the verdict

for our isolation-bound defendant.

What a joke.

Weiss: Mr. Lewin was looking at the jurors.

It did go through my mind, "Boy, I wouldn't wanna be sitting

in his seat right now."

You don't know for sure what's going to happen.

Windham: Has the jury reached a verdict?

Juror: Yes, we have, Your Honor.

Oh, this is torture.

This is torture.

clerk: Superior Court of California, County of Los Angeles,

the People of the State of California versus Robert Durst.

We, the jury, in the above-entitled action,

find the defendant, Robert Durst...

guilty of the crime...

in violation of penal code section 197, section...

- Oh, my God, Jim. Oh, my God. - God. See?

Oh, my God. I'm sorry.

speaker: That's, like, so wonderful.

Sharon McCormack: You don't know what it is.

Lester Holt: Breaking news tonight in the murder trial

of multimillionaire real estate heir Robert Durst.

Robert Durst is found guilty of murder.

Breaking news. Robert Durst convicted

of murdering his best friend in a case

that dates back 20 years.

Newscaster: The guilty verdict returned in the last hour...

Jarecki: Bob Durst was just convicted

of first-degree murder of Susan Berman,

and, uh...

people are very emotional about this, me included.

It's hard for Nick to, um...

You know, he saw two different Bobs.

I have different feelings

than everyone else in this room about Bob.

Look, she's...

Lewin: We just feel really gratified that,

finally, he's been held accountable for what he's done.

It's been 40 years. You know, he's 78 years old,

and he's been walking around for a long time.

He had a lot more of a life...

You know, Kathie didn't make 30.

- Okay, guys. - Reporter: Thank you.

Jarecki: How did Bob find out about the verdict?

I don't know.

His lawyers' duty would be to tell him about the verdict.

Jarecki: Do you remember how Bob learned

about the verdict, if he wasn't in court?

No, I don't.

Jarecki: Do you know how he found out about the verdict?

That's a good question.

I really don't, Andrew. I'm sorry.

Bagli: The day that the jury returned its verdict,

Bob was in his cell.

And his lawyers left town

immediately afterward without speaking to him.

Nobody told Bob until the next day

that he had been convicted.

None of Bob's lawyers told him he was convicted?

None of the four members of the defense team.

Jarecki: Somebody must've told him.

- Somebody else. - Somebody else.

interviewer: Do you know who informed Robert Durst

that the jury had found him guilty?

- Yes, I do. - Interviewer: And who was that?

That was me.

Interviewer: And where did you do that?

At the Los Angeles County Jail.

Jarecki: And what was Alan's role in the case?

He was there, I think, as a representative of, uh,

of Debbie as a lawyer.

- interviewer: Are you currently an attorney? - Yes, I am.

Interviewer: And what type of law do you practice?

- It's criminal defense. - Interviewer: Okay.

Jarecki: Why did Debbie need a lawyer?

I don't know. You'd have to ask Alan or Debbie.

Maybe you'll get a chance. I don't know.

Interviewer: Without divulging any

attorney-client privileged communications,

do you have an understanding as to why Ms. Charatan

retained a criminal attorney?

I know why she retained me.

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