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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,548 --> 00:00:10,668 - The 13th and 14th of July, 1977 was a, 2 00:00:10,771 --> 00:00:13,091 literally a dark period in New York. 3 00:00:13,188 --> 00:00:15,718 That's when that great blackout happened. 4 00:00:17,140 --> 00:00:20,990 - It was really hot and humid, and the power grid went down. 5 00:00:21,092 --> 00:00:22,342 It was a blackout. 6 00:00:22,435 --> 00:00:24,345 It was insane. 7 00:00:25,658 --> 00:00:26,668 - That summer of '77, 8 00:00:26,771 --> 00:00:29,051 it was definitely a dark time in many ways. 9 00:00:29,150 --> 00:00:32,540 - In the '70s, for someone to disappear 10 00:00:32,641 --> 00:00:35,981 and later be found murdered in New York was not unusual. 11 00:00:36,824 --> 00:00:38,384 - The missing person squad at that time 12 00:00:38,435 --> 00:00:39,945 was inundated with these cases. 13 00:00:40,046 --> 00:00:43,166 We had 2,000 murders in the '70s every year. 14 00:00:43,269 --> 00:00:46,199 - It was a time that serial killers 15 00:00:46,301 --> 00:00:49,541 had a much better opportunity 16 00:00:49,639 --> 00:00:52,289 to do their dirty, horrible deeds. 17 00:00:53,130 --> 00:00:53,840 - Change your name, 18 00:00:53,936 --> 00:00:56,022 go to New York where there's millions of people living, 19 00:00:56,046 --> 00:00:58,856 walking the streets every day and just blend in. 20 00:00:58,962 --> 00:01:03,012 - When you have 2,000 homicides taking place, 21 00:01:03,106 --> 00:01:07,366 how do you know who is the person and the perpetrator. 22 00:01:08,670 --> 00:01:11,140 - Ellen Hover, she was an heiress. 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,620 She grew up in Beverly Hills and then went to New York. 24 00:01:16,113 --> 00:01:18,123 On the 15th of July, 25 00:01:18,223 --> 00:01:23,023 Ellen Hover wrote on her calendar, John Berger, 26 00:01:24,209 --> 00:01:27,239 and that was the last day anybody had ever seen her alive. 27 00:02:19,115 --> 00:02:23,575 - Starting with his honorable discharge from the military, 28 00:02:23,681 --> 00:02:28,031 and then later, when he was given parole in California 29 00:02:28,131 --> 00:02:29,491 after just 34 months 30 00:02:29,589 --> 00:02:33,119 for the Tali Shapiro kidnapping and rape, 31 00:02:34,002 --> 00:02:36,962 that allowed him to go free out on the streets. 32 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,500 Then when he was arrested again 33 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:46,179 for providing marijuana to a minor, went back to prison, 34 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,560 but then released again shortly 35 00:02:48,659 --> 00:02:51,049 and allowed to just roam about the country again 36 00:02:51,153 --> 00:02:53,073 and to disappear. 37 00:02:53,685 --> 00:02:55,272 - He was familiar with New York at the time 38 00:02:55,296 --> 00:02:56,306 from living here prior. 39 00:02:56,409 --> 00:02:59,919 Dating capital of the world, it's easy to make mix in here. 40 00:03:00,016 --> 00:03:02,136 And you have another predator coming back to New York, 41 00:03:02,203 --> 00:03:03,603 living his life. 42 00:03:03,699 --> 00:03:06,819 - The fact that this guy was moving around 43 00:03:06,922 --> 00:03:10,282 without any limitations is disturbing, 44 00:03:10,375 --> 00:03:11,886 knowing that he could have been anywhere 45 00:03:11,910 --> 00:03:13,830 at any time in the United States. 46 00:03:15,248 --> 00:03:18,368 - He's a confidence man in that respect. 47 00:03:18,471 --> 00:03:23,271 His ultimate body count will be dependent upon his ability 48 00:03:23,728 --> 00:03:27,658 to con children, adults, mostly women, 49 00:03:27,756 --> 00:03:30,566 but probably some males somewhere along the line, 50 00:03:30,673 --> 00:03:34,263 into believing that he is whatever he's attempting 51 00:03:34,356 --> 00:03:36,266 to make them believe he is at the moment. 52 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,350 - His approach was always based on his love of photography, 53 00:03:41,454 --> 00:03:43,374 and that would strike up the conversation. 54 00:03:43,948 --> 00:03:47,758 At that time, he was probably very charismatic. 55 00:03:47,862 --> 00:03:52,062 He is reportedly, was reportedly intelligent, 56 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:54,079 with an elevated IQ, 57 00:03:54,384 --> 00:03:59,184 and probably very self-confident in his abilities. 58 00:03:59,526 --> 00:04:00,386 - He had the charm. 59 00:04:00,485 --> 00:04:02,985 He had the personality that people seemed to like. 60 00:04:03,094 --> 00:04:05,414 He also was a good photographer. 61 00:04:05,511 --> 00:04:08,211 He wouldn't be in NYU taking film school, right? 62 00:04:08,312 --> 00:04:10,852 He had to have had some sort of a, 63 00:04:12,149 --> 00:04:13,506 he knew what he was talking about. 64 00:04:13,530 --> 00:04:16,390 He had equipment, and he had the word. 65 00:04:16,485 --> 00:04:19,335 He could say it in the way that people believed him. 66 00:04:19,439 --> 00:04:21,869 - If you met him for the first time, especially in the '70s, 67 00:04:21,972 --> 00:04:22,682 he had that look. 68 00:04:22,777 --> 00:04:25,437 He had the curly hair, long curly hair. 69 00:04:25,540 --> 00:04:27,440 He had nice bone structure, a nice-looking guy. 70 00:04:27,535 --> 00:04:30,005 And he could approach women with, again, with that camera 71 00:04:30,106 --> 00:04:33,606 as sort of that buffer between the evil person he is 72 00:04:33,712 --> 00:04:35,392 and the innocent victim on the other side. 73 00:04:35,439 --> 00:04:37,409 "Oh, you're beautiful. 74 00:04:37,511 --> 00:04:38,638 "Would you like to be a model?" 75 00:04:38,662 --> 00:04:41,482 Or, "I'm a professional photographer. 76 00:04:41,578 --> 00:04:44,928 "I would just love it if I could take your picture." 77 00:04:45,031 --> 00:04:46,031 And it was a way in. 78 00:04:46,106 --> 00:04:48,346 It was just a way in. 79 00:04:48,446 --> 00:04:50,976 - He looked for every opportunity, day and night, 80 00:04:51,784 --> 00:04:54,414 to fulfill that wish of his 81 00:04:54,508 --> 00:04:56,858 to take the life of these people. 82 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,500 - Ellen Hover was the daughter 83 00:05:05,597 --> 00:05:08,487 of the owner of Ciro's club in LA, 84 00:05:08,590 --> 00:05:11,210 which was a really hot spot for a lot of people to go. 85 00:05:11,314 --> 00:05:13,094 She was also the goddaughter 86 00:05:13,194 --> 00:05:15,134 of Dean Martin and Sammy Davis Jr. 87 00:05:15,227 --> 00:05:18,467 So she was in a well-to-do family, fairly popular. 88 00:05:18,566 --> 00:05:21,496 - Oh my goodness, dancing at Ciro's, 89 00:05:21,597 --> 00:05:24,367 it had every great band. 90 00:05:24,474 --> 00:05:28,944 Artie Shaw, Benny Goodman, Sammy Davis Jr., Dean Martin, 91 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,120 all these people appeared, every Hollywood celebrity 92 00:05:33,222 --> 00:05:36,422 from Tallulah Bankhead, to Betty Davis, 93 00:05:36,522 --> 00:05:38,992 Clark Gable, Humphrey Bogart. 94 00:05:39,093 --> 00:05:43,253 You name 'em, they all went to dance at Ciro's. 95 00:05:43,352 --> 00:05:47,282 - Ellen's father was my uncle, who owned the nightclub. 96 00:05:47,381 --> 00:05:51,001 And his wife, her mother, was a very pretty, 97 00:05:51,102 --> 00:05:53,542 beautiful ex-show girl whom he married. 98 00:05:53,635 --> 00:05:54,335 It was a glamorous place. 99 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,335 I used to go and do my homework there after school. 100 00:05:56,359 --> 00:05:58,749 My mother would pick me up and she'd hang out there 101 00:05:58,853 --> 00:06:00,403 and talk business with her brother, 102 00:06:00,503 --> 00:06:03,403 and I'd sit there as the lights went down. 103 00:06:03,495 --> 00:06:06,495 And Nat king Cole warmed up and rehearsed, 104 00:06:06,603 --> 00:06:08,233 I would sit there. 105 00:06:08,330 --> 00:06:10,290 So it was a very glamorous place. 106 00:06:14,277 --> 00:06:15,997 My memory of her when she was a little girl, 107 00:06:16,042 --> 00:06:16,832 she was just lovely. 108 00:06:16,925 --> 00:06:17,625 She was pretty. 109 00:06:17,730 --> 00:06:19,860 She had long legs like her mother. 110 00:06:19,956 --> 00:06:20,776 She was trusting. 111 00:06:20,876 --> 00:06:21,656 She was sweet. 112 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:23,679 She loved music. 113 00:06:24,522 --> 00:06:25,382 Music ran in the family. 114 00:06:25,481 --> 00:06:27,381 I didn't get the gene, but other people did. 115 00:06:27,476 --> 00:06:30,366 And she eventually wanted to be, was interested in music, 116 00:06:30,469 --> 00:06:31,939 but also wanted to be a doctor. 117 00:06:32,042 --> 00:06:34,362 Just, she would've been a lovely person to meet, 118 00:06:34,459 --> 00:06:36,739 and she had a good trusting heart. 119 00:06:36,838 --> 00:06:38,798 When she moved to New York, we didn't get in touch 120 00:06:38,833 --> 00:06:42,883 because my father had married her mother. 121 00:06:42,977 --> 00:06:46,017 In an unusual turn of events, both of the couples divorced. 122 00:06:46,123 --> 00:06:47,443 My father had married her mother, 123 00:06:47,543 --> 00:06:52,343 and unfortunately, my loss of Ellen was a part of that. 124 00:06:54,411 --> 00:06:55,500 Ellen went missing 125 00:06:55,524 --> 00:06:58,904 the day after this huge blackout, just vanished. 126 00:07:00,166 --> 00:07:03,036 - Those signs went up, the posters went up 127 00:07:04,463 --> 00:07:07,263 all over on the walls, on the telephone poles, everywhere. 128 00:07:08,531 --> 00:07:12,611 - The disappearance of Ellen Hover got a lot of publicity. 129 00:07:12,713 --> 00:07:14,193 It was in the tabloids. 130 00:07:14,286 --> 00:07:17,596 It was on TV because her parents offered this big reward, 131 00:07:17,701 --> 00:07:22,091 $100,000 for information for helping finding her. 132 00:07:22,190 --> 00:07:25,240 - Her family hired private detectives to try to locate her. 133 00:07:25,336 --> 00:07:27,416 She's not the kind of girl who would just wander off. 134 00:07:27,523 --> 00:07:28,995 I mean, that just wasn't gonna happen. 135 00:07:29,019 --> 00:07:31,339 She was a sweet girl, a nice girl. 136 00:07:31,437 --> 00:07:32,137 Everyone liked her. 137 00:07:32,242 --> 00:07:33,408 There was nothing not to like. 138 00:07:33,432 --> 00:07:37,782 And for her to just disappear was nothing, 139 00:07:37,883 --> 00:07:39,093 no one could make that out. 140 00:07:39,187 --> 00:07:41,217 Something bad had to have happened to her. 141 00:07:43,178 --> 00:07:46,648 They're trying to figure out, who was she last with? 142 00:07:46,746 --> 00:07:48,906 Is there anybody who saw her, knew her? 143 00:07:49,010 --> 00:07:51,210 But this blackout complicated things. 144 00:07:51,312 --> 00:07:54,552 - She had told a girlfriend that she met this guy 145 00:07:54,650 --> 00:07:57,200 who was a photographer at the unemployment office, 146 00:07:57,297 --> 00:07:59,077 so she wasn't working at the time. 147 00:07:59,177 --> 00:08:02,297 On the calendar, she had written on that date, John Berger, 148 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,720 so she was going to have a date with him. 149 00:08:05,815 --> 00:08:08,395 - They really wanted to find this John Berger guy 150 00:08:08,501 --> 00:08:12,071 because he may have been the last person to see her alive. 151 00:08:12,990 --> 00:08:17,340 - There was a resident of her building in Midtown 152 00:08:17,441 --> 00:08:19,491 who let him into the building. 153 00:08:19,590 --> 00:08:21,870 He had her name, said he was looking for her, 154 00:08:21,968 --> 00:08:23,938 and she pointed out the door. 155 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,850 There was a man she was dating 156 00:08:27,954 --> 00:08:31,654 who saw him pick her up or drop her off. 157 00:08:31,752 --> 00:08:33,492 So there were bits and pieces 158 00:08:33,594 --> 00:08:36,074 that led to suspicion against somebody. 159 00:08:36,165 --> 00:08:38,365 - NYPD find out who John Berger is, 160 00:08:38,467 --> 00:08:39,827 and they call Los Angeles. 161 00:08:39,925 --> 00:08:41,973 Well, they get the detective on the case and he says, 162 00:08:41,997 --> 00:08:43,507 "Oh, whoa, okay, wait a minute. 163 00:08:43,608 --> 00:08:44,888 "That's our guy." 164 00:08:44,990 --> 00:08:46,810 - But he wasn't really a New York resident. 165 00:08:46,908 --> 00:08:48,148 He was essentially visiting. 166 00:08:48,251 --> 00:08:52,511 He was living at home with his mother in East Los Angeles. 167 00:08:53,354 --> 00:08:57,784 - The FBI actually went out and interviewed him 168 00:08:57,882 --> 00:09:00,542 and he admitted having met Ellen Hover. 169 00:09:00,644 --> 00:09:03,584 First, he denied it, but then he admitted it 170 00:09:03,675 --> 00:09:05,985 and said they went out, 171 00:09:06,093 --> 00:09:09,913 maybe he took her to a drug store or to a bank. 172 00:09:10,006 --> 00:09:12,586 But the best he could remember, 173 00:09:12,692 --> 00:09:15,822 he dropped her back home and he never saw her again. 174 00:09:15,915 --> 00:09:17,805 - They questioned him. 175 00:09:17,910 --> 00:09:20,570 They wanted to prosecute him. 176 00:09:20,673 --> 00:09:25,393 But the prosecutor said just having that name in her diary, 177 00:09:26,313 --> 00:09:28,133 it wasn't enough. 178 00:09:28,231 --> 00:09:29,627 - They asked if he would take a lie detector. 179 00:09:29,651 --> 00:09:33,351 He refused, and they kind of let it go. 180 00:09:33,449 --> 00:09:37,399 So the reward basically led to nothing. 181 00:09:43,234 --> 00:09:45,514 - The '70s and the '80s especially, 182 00:09:45,612 --> 00:09:48,162 there was this rash of serial killers 183 00:09:48,260 --> 00:09:51,150 that doesn't seem to have been so prominent 184 00:09:51,253 --> 00:09:53,443 before or after to the same degree. 185 00:09:55,281 --> 00:09:58,171 - The '60s and '70s had so many serial killers. 186 00:09:58,274 --> 00:10:00,674 It was a regular thing going on. 187 00:10:00,768 --> 00:10:04,618 A lot of the generation in the '60s were brought up 188 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,230 by parents and fathers who came back from the war, 189 00:10:08,327 --> 00:10:11,757 and they didn't, they weren't affectionate or emotional 190 00:10:11,857 --> 00:10:13,747 with their kids, their boys. 191 00:10:13,852 --> 00:10:15,482 That left an open ground. 192 00:10:15,578 --> 00:10:19,928 So there was a lot of, a big rise in serial killers. 193 00:10:20,029 --> 00:10:21,829 Again, you had everything from Charles Manson, 194 00:10:21,909 --> 00:10:24,499 to the .44 Caliber murderer, the Son of Sam, 195 00:10:24,595 --> 00:10:26,985 the Hillside Strangler, the green, 196 00:10:27,089 --> 00:10:28,449 I mean, it just, it's endless. 197 00:10:28,547 --> 00:10:30,287 You could just go on and on, 198 00:10:30,389 --> 00:10:33,209 and it was going on all over the country. 199 00:10:44,355 --> 00:10:47,055 - Well, the mood in Los Angeles in the '70s 200 00:10:47,156 --> 00:10:49,586 was if I can get away with it, I'm gonna do it. 201 00:10:49,688 --> 00:10:52,118 I can remember handling a murder in an alley 202 00:10:52,221 --> 00:10:55,421 at three a.m. one morning, and as the sun came up, 203 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,260 the corner arrived in his wagon. 204 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,790 I hear the wagon backing in, and then I hear the guy get out 205 00:11:01,890 --> 00:11:03,810 and I hear, "Oh, shit!" 206 00:11:04,614 --> 00:11:06,394 And I said, "What's the matter?" 207 00:11:06,494 --> 00:11:09,234 And the guy says, "I got no room." 208 00:11:09,333 --> 00:11:10,729 Well, he'd already had four bodies in there. 209 00:11:10,753 --> 00:11:13,453 He's just jumping from one scene to the next. 210 00:11:13,554 --> 00:11:16,704 He had four bodies in the back from four previous homicides. 211 00:11:17,621 --> 00:11:18,621 So our guy, we had to, 212 00:11:18,695 --> 00:11:21,195 he was doing this, two top, two below. 213 00:11:21,304 --> 00:11:22,204 We had to split the bottom two 214 00:11:22,302 --> 00:11:25,002 and he shoved the body in between the bottom two. 215 00:11:25,103 --> 00:11:26,303 You go to the coroner's office 216 00:11:26,369 --> 00:11:28,919 and there'd be two or three bodies on a gurney. 217 00:11:29,016 --> 00:11:30,986 I mean, you'd have four or five murders a night. 218 00:11:31,088 --> 00:11:36,048 - We saw this danger almost every week in the headlines 219 00:11:36,153 --> 00:11:38,973 on the television news and in the LA Times, 220 00:11:39,069 --> 00:11:42,139 another murder, another headless corpse. 221 00:11:43,213 --> 00:11:46,763 - When you can be snatched off the street and murdered, 222 00:11:46,858 --> 00:11:48,778 it terrifies everybody. 223 00:11:49,582 --> 00:11:51,402 - It was the downtown Los Angeles Library, 224 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:54,360 the main library in all of LA, 225 00:11:54,455 --> 00:11:59,185 which is also the scene of several homicides over the years. 226 00:11:59,289 --> 00:12:04,139 Go back actually to 1964 when there were two homicides. 227 00:12:04,239 --> 00:12:06,669 One of 'em was right here on the grounds, 228 00:12:06,771 --> 00:12:08,441 another one was the following night. 229 00:12:08,536 --> 00:12:10,966 A fellow by the name of Vaughn Greenwood, 230 00:12:11,068 --> 00:12:13,918 the Skid Row Slasher, attacked one victim here 231 00:12:14,023 --> 00:12:17,383 and killed 'em, went about three blocks north 232 00:12:17,476 --> 00:12:19,136 and killed again the very next day. 233 00:12:19,241 --> 00:12:21,161 Again, that's way back in 1964. 234 00:12:22,809 --> 00:12:26,799 Right here, December 1st, 1974, 235 00:12:27,721 --> 00:12:30,711 leaning up against this pillar nearly decapitated. 236 00:12:32,095 --> 00:12:36,935 Four years almost to the day on November 9th, 1978, 237 00:12:37,044 --> 00:12:39,024 on this side of the pillar, 238 00:12:39,116 --> 00:12:43,236 we had David Jones lying right here, a Stabber victim. 239 00:12:43,337 --> 00:12:45,347 So we got the one Slasher victim here, 240 00:12:45,447 --> 00:12:48,567 the Skid Row Slasher serial killer. 241 00:12:48,670 --> 00:12:50,680 Over here was the Skid Row Stabber serial killer 242 00:12:50,780 --> 00:12:51,790 four years later. 243 00:12:51,893 --> 00:12:54,023 - Serial killers back then 244 00:12:54,118 --> 00:12:57,008 didn't have to worry about DNA evidence. 245 00:12:57,111 --> 00:12:58,011 They didn't have to worry about 246 00:12:58,109 --> 00:12:59,809 surveillance cameras everywhere. 247 00:12:59,912 --> 00:13:04,222 Unlike today, it was much more free wheeling. 248 00:13:04,324 --> 00:13:06,304 You could get away with a lot of things. 249 00:13:06,396 --> 00:13:11,186 So it was very difficult for investigators 250 00:13:11,691 --> 00:13:13,431 and law enforcement really to know 251 00:13:13,533 --> 00:13:15,453 what was going on in their own city. 252 00:13:19,135 --> 00:13:21,445 - Rodney Alcala was living with his mother 253 00:13:21,552 --> 00:13:23,792 in East Los Angeles at the time. 254 00:13:23,892 --> 00:13:26,002 And he got a new station wagon, 255 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,850 and he began to essentially patrol Southern California. 256 00:13:30,952 --> 00:13:33,152 He had binoculars, and you see this thing, 257 00:13:33,254 --> 00:13:36,344 the windows were tinted before tinted windows was a thing. 258 00:13:36,439 --> 00:13:38,529 So he would cruise Southern California 259 00:13:38,626 --> 00:13:42,206 with his photography equipment, with his binoculars, 260 00:13:42,309 --> 00:13:46,009 with his maps, and he was essentially on the hunt. 261 00:13:46,108 --> 00:13:47,498 He was a human predator. 262 00:14:15,307 --> 00:14:18,277 - Jill Barcomb was an 18-year-old young girl, 263 00:14:18,376 --> 00:14:20,766 just graduated high school, 264 00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:24,380 left a small town in upstate New York with some friends, 265 00:14:24,477 --> 00:14:25,987 kind of went on an adventure. 266 00:14:26,088 --> 00:14:28,328 - She decided in the summer 267 00:14:28,429 --> 00:14:30,209 that she would go with her friends 268 00:14:30,309 --> 00:14:31,781 and they were gonna drive to California. 269 00:14:31,805 --> 00:14:33,195 So they all go to California. 270 00:14:33,302 --> 00:14:35,392 She phoned home, said, "We're here, it's great, 271 00:14:35,489 --> 00:14:37,269 "but I love it so much, I'm gonna stay." 272 00:14:37,369 --> 00:14:38,149 - She was experiencing 273 00:14:38,251 --> 00:14:40,681 some of what Southern California had to offer, 274 00:14:40,784 --> 00:14:44,874 the ocean, Hollywood, different scenery, 275 00:14:44,966 --> 00:14:47,896 and a chance to take a break from New York 276 00:14:47,997 --> 00:14:49,917 and think about where she was going. 277 00:14:52,294 --> 00:14:54,194 November 10th, 1977, Friday night, 278 00:14:54,289 --> 00:14:57,569 I'm at at a high school party with friends. 279 00:14:57,666 --> 00:14:59,445 One of my friends, who was a good friend with Jill, 280 00:14:59,469 --> 00:15:00,749 asked about her at that party. 281 00:15:00,850 --> 00:15:02,169 And I go, "Hey, I just spoke with her 282 00:15:02,193 --> 00:15:04,133 "and she's doing fantastic." 283 00:15:04,227 --> 00:15:06,237 And in fact, I was calling home to say 284 00:15:06,337 --> 00:15:08,077 I'd be staying the night at my friend's, 285 00:15:08,179 --> 00:15:11,459 and that's when they said, "You need to come home." 286 00:15:11,555 --> 00:15:14,785 As I walked in the door of my home, I could hear crying. 287 00:15:14,893 --> 00:15:17,253 My mother came up to me in tears, hugged me, 288 00:15:17,349 --> 00:15:19,052 and then she said, "Your sister, Jill, is dead," 289 00:15:19,076 --> 00:15:20,426 and that was the shock. 290 00:15:20,534 --> 00:15:22,684 And I sat down in the living room 291 00:15:23,488 --> 00:15:25,808 and just trying to take it in. 292 00:15:25,905 --> 00:15:27,569 The younger kids were crying in the background, 293 00:15:27,593 --> 00:15:30,223 and I was just trying to get a sense of what I just heard 294 00:15:30,318 --> 00:15:32,468 and process that raw emotion. 295 00:15:33,541 --> 00:15:37,011 And it would take till her body being flown out 296 00:15:37,109 --> 00:15:40,649 with the detectives from Los Angeles to meet with my parents 297 00:15:40,754 --> 00:15:45,174 before we would know specifically what had occurred to Jill. 298 00:15:46,356 --> 00:15:48,096 - She was found on a fire road 299 00:15:48,198 --> 00:15:50,518 up in the hills above Hollywood, California, 300 00:15:50,615 --> 00:15:52,125 near where Rodney Alcala kidnapped 301 00:15:52,226 --> 00:15:54,846 and almost murdered Tali Shapiro. 302 00:15:54,950 --> 00:15:56,810 - Her body was found. 303 00:15:56,907 --> 00:15:59,647 She was on her knees with her face in the dirt. 304 00:15:59,747 --> 00:16:01,297 Her, she had no pants on. 305 00:16:01,396 --> 00:16:05,516 Her pant leg was one of three ligatures around her neck, 306 00:16:05,617 --> 00:16:09,047 nylon stockings, the pant legs, and a belt, 307 00:16:09,147 --> 00:16:11,067 three ligatures around her neck. 308 00:16:11,833 --> 00:16:16,613 There were footsteps going backwards from her buttocks area 309 00:16:16,706 --> 00:16:20,706 as if somebody had stood back and taken photographs 310 00:16:20,811 --> 00:16:23,611 after she was murdered, brutally murdered. 311 00:16:24,418 --> 00:16:29,208 - Her injuries included cuts and burns and bruises, 312 00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:34,980 and she had also been bitten and been tortured severely 313 00:16:35,084 --> 00:16:36,484 throughout her whole body too. 314 00:16:36,581 --> 00:16:38,981 It wasn't just like one place. 315 00:16:39,075 --> 00:16:43,865 - The depraved heart of someone to brutally kill 316 00:16:44,983 --> 00:16:47,533 and sexually assault a young 18-year-old girl, 317 00:16:47,631 --> 00:16:51,791 and leave her so exposed, and to take pleasure 318 00:16:51,890 --> 00:16:54,190 out of what he had done, 319 00:16:56,034 --> 00:16:57,204 I can't understand that, 320 00:16:57,300 --> 00:16:59,300 and I can't ask anyone to understand that. 321 00:17:01,789 --> 00:17:04,989 - When the detectives were looking at this case, 322 00:17:05,089 --> 00:17:07,789 the first thought would be, well, Hillside Strangler. 323 00:17:07,889 --> 00:17:09,399 - She fit the description, 324 00:17:09,501 --> 00:17:12,851 as in the type of victim and the MO, 325 00:17:12,954 --> 00:17:15,084 and so that was kind of what they're, 326 00:17:15,180 --> 00:17:18,800 the police were focused on, and she ended up on that list. 327 00:17:18,901 --> 00:17:22,411 So they didn't have the Rodney Alcala initially 328 00:17:22,508 --> 00:17:24,428 on their mind. 329 00:17:26,038 --> 00:17:30,598 - At the time of the Hillside Strangler investigations, 330 00:17:31,563 --> 00:17:34,763 ironically, Rodney Alcala was working 331 00:17:34,863 --> 00:17:36,413 for the Los Angeles Times. 332 00:17:36,513 --> 00:17:38,643 He was working as a typesetter. 333 00:17:38,738 --> 00:17:41,128 - This entire block was the LA Times complex, 334 00:17:41,232 --> 00:17:42,743 and the LA Times has been on this side 335 00:17:42,767 --> 00:17:45,347 at least since the 1920s, '30s. 336 00:17:45,453 --> 00:17:46,813 It's moved incrementally, 337 00:17:46,911 --> 00:17:50,841 but the LA times has been a presence in downtown since 1881. 338 00:17:50,939 --> 00:17:54,099 And in the 1970s, when Rodney Alcala worked here, 339 00:17:54,201 --> 00:17:55,601 it was a thriving business. 340 00:17:55,697 --> 00:17:57,897 There wasn't a lot of competition for advertising 341 00:17:57,999 --> 00:17:59,739 or much for news at that point. 342 00:18:01,989 --> 00:18:04,039 - He's a registered sex offender. 343 00:18:04,138 --> 00:18:06,838 They do no background check on him at all. 344 00:18:06,939 --> 00:18:09,279 And he's just happily working away there, 345 00:18:10,085 --> 00:18:13,855 still hunting, still pursuing victims, 346 00:18:13,961 --> 00:18:16,551 and they have no clue. 347 00:18:16,646 --> 00:18:18,696 - A colleague of mine at the Los Angeles Times 348 00:18:18,795 --> 00:18:21,795 talks about him as a handsome guy, a tall guy 349 00:18:21,903 --> 00:18:24,263 who would come in wearing his green fatigue jacket 350 00:18:24,358 --> 00:18:25,598 and carrying a briefcase. 351 00:18:25,701 --> 00:18:27,411 His hair was back in a ponytail. 352 00:18:27,505 --> 00:18:29,055 This was very hip looking at the time, 353 00:18:29,155 --> 00:18:30,595 and the little glasses that he wore, 354 00:18:30,651 --> 00:18:32,571 almost like a John Lennon glasses. 355 00:18:33,260 --> 00:18:35,100 This was the look that people were looking for. 356 00:18:35,140 --> 00:18:36,380 This was style. 357 00:18:36,483 --> 00:18:37,653 And this guy looks likable. 358 00:18:37,749 --> 00:18:39,639 He's got a degree from UCLA. 359 00:18:39,744 --> 00:18:41,334 Clearly, he's capable, 360 00:18:41,433 --> 00:18:43,413 so maybe you don't ask too many questions. 361 00:18:43,505 --> 00:18:45,415 I don't know. 362 00:19:07,140 --> 00:19:10,840 - Georgia Wixted was a pediatric oncology nurse. 363 00:19:10,938 --> 00:19:13,058 So you talk about contributions to society, 364 00:19:13,164 --> 00:19:15,794 she basically dealt with kids who had cancer, 365 00:19:15,888 --> 00:19:18,468 so she is a force of good. 366 00:19:18,574 --> 00:19:21,394 And she just moved into her first place by herself. 367 00:19:21,490 --> 00:19:25,530 She had a little apartment in Malibu, right on the beach. 368 00:19:25,633 --> 00:19:27,913 And somebody actually asked her, "What are you gonna do 369 00:19:28,012 --> 00:19:30,372 "if the Hillside Strangler shows up your house?" 370 00:19:30,468 --> 00:19:31,748 And she goes, "Oh, I have a whole plan. 371 00:19:31,772 --> 00:19:33,692 "I'm gonna hit him with my hammer." 372 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,350 - One morning, when she failed to pick up a coworker 373 00:19:38,449 --> 00:19:41,729 to go to work, the friend called the police, 374 00:19:41,825 --> 00:19:44,215 and they went into her home and they found her. 375 00:19:44,319 --> 00:19:46,829 She had been raped, bludgeoned, 376 00:19:46,928 --> 00:19:48,668 strangled, brutally murdered. 377 00:19:48,770 --> 00:19:53,580 - They found her room in complete disarray, her apartment, 378 00:19:53,681 --> 00:19:58,571 and her body was laying on the floor, completely naked. 379 00:19:58,669 --> 00:20:01,469 She had been brutally sexually assaulted, 380 00:20:02,851 --> 00:20:06,631 and her legs were spread wide open 381 00:20:06,726 --> 00:20:09,116 facing the front door. 382 00:20:09,220 --> 00:20:11,420 - She had not only the normal torture marks 383 00:20:11,523 --> 00:20:13,113 that that Rodney Alcala did, 384 00:20:13,211 --> 00:20:15,951 like the burns and the bites and the cuts, 385 00:20:16,050 --> 00:20:19,630 she also had like a claw, a scraping in her head 386 00:20:19,733 --> 00:20:21,443 that would look like she had been clawed. 387 00:20:21,537 --> 00:20:25,867 So it was even more severe than the previous murders. 388 00:20:27,062 --> 00:20:29,112 - He beat her to death 389 00:20:29,211 --> 00:20:31,531 with the hammer that was found next to her. 390 00:20:31,628 --> 00:20:32,448 So we've always wondered, 391 00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:34,369 did she try to defend herself with the hammer? 392 00:20:34,467 --> 00:20:36,387 Did she hear something? 393 00:20:36,692 --> 00:20:40,622 - Both Jill Barcomb and Georgia Wixted's family 394 00:20:40,721 --> 00:20:45,521 were unable to have an open casket funerals 395 00:20:46,707 --> 00:20:49,597 because of how extensive 396 00:20:49,699 --> 00:20:52,439 the damage was done to their skulls. 397 00:20:52,539 --> 00:20:55,389 For Georgia Wixted, it was both ends of the claw hammer, 398 00:20:55,493 --> 00:20:58,623 the flat and the claw end to her skull, 399 00:20:58,716 --> 00:20:59,876 and it was ripped apart. 400 00:20:59,982 --> 00:21:02,572 And for Jill Barcomb, it was with a giant rock 401 00:21:02,668 --> 00:21:07,328 just breaking into the skull and the bones repeatedly 402 00:21:07,426 --> 00:21:10,236 to the point where she was unrecognizable 403 00:21:10,342 --> 00:21:12,202 by her own brother. 404 00:21:12,299 --> 00:21:14,809 - I had night terrors and hence post trauma. 405 00:21:14,908 --> 00:21:18,528 And in my sleep, I'm waking up in tears 406 00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:21,750 and Jill is coming to me with a damaged face 407 00:21:21,853 --> 00:21:26,653 telling me she's okay and trying to, again, 408 00:21:28,375 --> 00:21:30,325 console me and give me peace. 409 00:21:31,483 --> 00:21:33,403 And that's who she was to me. 410 00:21:38,198 --> 00:21:40,358 - Not all serial killers torture, 411 00:21:40,461 --> 00:21:45,261 but his biggest thrill for him was the torture 412 00:21:46,562 --> 00:21:48,422 because he spent time with his victims. 413 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:50,949 It took a little time to strangle them 414 00:21:51,051 --> 00:21:52,408 and bring them back to consciousness. 415 00:21:52,432 --> 00:21:54,872 So that, in my book, that ups the ante. 416 00:21:54,965 --> 00:21:59,085 They're all evil, but if you have to assign a degree to it, 417 00:21:59,185 --> 00:22:03,605 I think he's with the people at the very top. 418 00:22:03,713 --> 00:22:05,303 - He preyed on women and young girls. 419 00:22:05,401 --> 00:22:07,601 Well, we had three or four other serial killers 420 00:22:07,703 --> 00:22:09,176 doing the same thing at the same time. 421 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,940 So it was hard to pick who's doing what, 422 00:22:11,041 --> 00:22:12,591 and we really didn't know for a while. 423 00:22:12,691 --> 00:22:14,611 We didn't have DNA back then. 424 00:22:15,492 --> 00:22:17,412 - Between Jill's death, 425 00:22:17,718 --> 00:22:21,918 starting in October, 1977, through 1979, 426 00:22:22,015 --> 00:22:26,805 there were 20 sexual murders in Los Angeles that occurred. 427 00:22:27,540 --> 00:22:29,130 Los Angeles had become hunting grounds 428 00:22:29,228 --> 00:22:32,738 for these depraved killers to spill their demon seed 429 00:22:32,835 --> 00:22:34,845 on these, on our loved ones. 430 00:22:34,945 --> 00:22:38,145 And it was such, rising to the task, 431 00:22:38,245 --> 00:22:41,135 the Hillside Strangler task force was brought into place 432 00:22:41,238 --> 00:22:44,818 to help stop the carnage that was going on. 433 00:22:44,921 --> 00:22:46,841 - They actually called in Rodney Alcala 434 00:22:47,684 --> 00:22:49,434 because of his background, 435 00:22:49,525 --> 00:22:51,605 and they thought maybe he was involved somehow 436 00:22:51,712 --> 00:22:54,382 with the Hillside Strangler cases. 437 00:22:54,475 --> 00:22:57,825 But the downfall or the problem with that 438 00:22:57,928 --> 00:23:01,698 was there was too many times when he wasn't there 439 00:23:01,803 --> 00:23:06,123 when the Hillside Strangler had committed the crimes. 440 00:23:06,216 --> 00:23:09,486 So they knew that he couldn't be the Hillside Strangler 441 00:23:09,592 --> 00:23:11,222 so they let him go. 442 00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:15,359 - He just was so convincing, and he had alibis, 443 00:23:15,463 --> 00:23:17,283 and he had explanations, 444 00:23:17,381 --> 00:23:20,661 and it just didn't seem that he was the guy. 445 00:23:20,757 --> 00:23:24,837 Little did the police know he was on his own killing spreed, 446 00:23:24,940 --> 00:23:28,100 killing women who they were not connecting 447 00:23:28,201 --> 00:23:31,551 to the Hillside Strangler, but yet were in their files. 448 00:23:31,654 --> 00:23:36,454 - Rodney Alcala achieved sexual gratification multiple times 449 00:23:36,872 --> 00:23:39,842 with almost every one of these women or girls. 450 00:23:39,942 --> 00:23:41,762 So this is somebody that is quite literally 451 00:23:41,860 --> 00:23:44,600 getting off on what he's doing. 452 00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:47,290 So when it's done, it's not one of those things 453 00:23:47,385 --> 00:23:48,125 where he's going back 454 00:23:48,229 --> 00:23:50,739 and feeling any sort of shame or remorse. 455 00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:52,580 What Rodney Alcala is doing after one of these 456 00:23:52,604 --> 00:23:55,044 as soon as his refractory period is done 457 00:23:55,136 --> 00:23:56,836 is he can't wait to do it again. 458 00:24:07,376 --> 00:24:10,606 So Charlotte Lamb was one of these 459 00:24:10,714 --> 00:24:12,884 sort of legions of beautiful young women 460 00:24:12,977 --> 00:24:17,747 that migrate to Los Angeles on a constant steady stream 461 00:24:17,850 --> 00:24:19,090 probably since the 1920s. 462 00:24:19,193 --> 00:24:21,863 She was strikingly beautiful, 463 00:24:21,956 --> 00:24:23,506 and she came from a very nice family. 464 00:24:23,606 --> 00:24:25,576 A lot of kids from the Midwest, 465 00:24:25,677 --> 00:24:27,147 but she has Midwest sensibilities, 466 00:24:27,251 --> 00:24:30,531 so she has, she's a genuinely nice person. 467 00:24:30,627 --> 00:24:31,787 So she moves to Los Angeles. 468 00:24:31,893 --> 00:24:33,063 She's working as a, 469 00:24:33,159 --> 00:24:35,899 what back then would have been referred to as a secretary. 470 00:24:35,999 --> 00:24:37,629 - She wanted to go out dancing. 471 00:24:37,725 --> 00:24:38,965 She called up some friends. 472 00:24:39,068 --> 00:24:39,808 This is the '70s. 473 00:24:39,912 --> 00:24:41,002 She hit the discos, right? 474 00:24:41,102 --> 00:24:42,843 She wanted to go out dancing with some friends. 475 00:24:42,867 --> 00:24:43,647 Her friends were like, 476 00:24:43,749 --> 00:24:46,139 "No, eh, I don't really feel like it." 477 00:24:46,243 --> 00:24:48,603 So I think she probably went out on her own, 478 00:24:48,699 --> 00:24:52,839 and that's likely how she made contact with Rodney Alcala. 479 00:24:54,531 --> 00:24:55,811 - She was not seen alive again. 480 00:24:55,912 --> 00:24:57,622 She was found in an apartment complex 481 00:24:57,715 --> 00:25:01,175 in a city named El Segundo, which is just south of LAX 482 00:25:01,284 --> 00:25:02,954 She's found in the laundry room. 483 00:25:03,049 --> 00:25:04,139 She'd been strangled. 484 00:25:04,238 --> 00:25:06,748 Her arms were placed behind her back 485 00:25:06,847 --> 00:25:10,007 to kind of arch her back and accentuate her breasts. 486 00:25:10,109 --> 00:25:13,079 Her legs were spread facing the door, 487 00:25:13,178 --> 00:25:14,808 and she had been strangled 488 00:25:14,905 --> 00:25:18,255 with the lace of one of her shoes. 489 00:25:18,358 --> 00:25:22,998 - Posing a victim like that is the killer just saying, 490 00:25:24,036 --> 00:25:25,956 "Too bad for everyone. 491 00:25:26,569 --> 00:25:27,619 "I'm omnipotent. 492 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,690 "I can do this," and it degrades the victim. 493 00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:32,799 It's very degrading for the victim. 494 00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:37,060 No one wants their loved one to be found like that. 495 00:25:37,159 --> 00:25:39,609 I mean, that's just a nightmare. 496 00:25:40,612 --> 00:25:42,552 - He would quite often point their arm 497 00:25:42,645 --> 00:25:44,995 at a particular part of their body. 498 00:25:45,101 --> 00:25:47,151 So he wanted them to see something. 499 00:25:47,249 --> 00:25:49,109 There was something in his mind 500 00:25:49,206 --> 00:25:51,636 that he wanted them to look at or to notice 501 00:25:51,739 --> 00:25:54,289 when they first spot the victim. 502 00:25:54,386 --> 00:25:56,046 She'd been raped repeatedly. 503 00:25:56,151 --> 00:25:57,161 She'd been brutalized, 504 00:25:57,264 --> 00:25:59,224 but she'd been strangled multiple times. 505 00:26:00,333 --> 00:26:04,453 - His drug of choice is, was that power. 506 00:26:04,554 --> 00:26:07,294 And he didn't want to just kill them. 507 00:26:07,393 --> 00:26:10,823 He wanted to bring them back so that they could look at him 508 00:26:10,923 --> 00:26:15,723 and he's looking at them and life and death is in his hands. 509 00:26:16,256 --> 00:26:17,766 - It's incredibly sadistic. 510 00:26:17,868 --> 00:26:20,258 It's an incredibly prolonged, brutal way 511 00:26:20,362 --> 00:26:21,572 for somebody to die. 512 00:26:21,666 --> 00:26:25,596 And he stayed with her for hours and killed her very slowly. 513 00:26:25,695 --> 00:26:29,615 - The coroner said that he had hardly seen, 514 00:26:29,724 --> 00:26:33,084 with thousands of autopsies, only a handful of times 515 00:26:33,177 --> 00:26:36,947 the extent of the damage from the strangulation 516 00:26:37,052 --> 00:26:38,562 that Charlotte Lamb suffered. 517 00:26:38,664 --> 00:26:42,634 The damage that was done broke through the bones 518 00:26:42,731 --> 00:26:45,431 and caused severe internal bleeding. 519 00:26:45,532 --> 00:26:48,042 Those parts of the body are very resilient, 520 00:26:48,141 --> 00:26:50,111 very hard to break through them that much. 521 00:26:50,213 --> 00:26:52,953 It took so much force to break through them, 522 00:26:53,052 --> 00:26:55,872 and she suffered the hands of the force. 523 00:26:55,968 --> 00:27:00,628 - His lust was never satisfied, 524 00:27:00,726 --> 00:27:05,516 and he kept looking for that next higher thrill. 525 00:27:14,884 --> 00:27:18,394 - Jill Parenteau was a 21-year-old computer programmer. 526 00:27:18,490 --> 00:27:20,350 She grew up in Southern California, 527 00:27:20,447 --> 00:27:22,567 and she had a family who loved her to death. 528 00:27:22,673 --> 00:27:24,803 And one day, she didn't show up to work. 529 00:27:24,898 --> 00:27:26,908 And just like so many of these other women, 530 00:27:27,008 --> 00:27:28,478 there was a welfare call. 531 00:27:28,581 --> 00:27:30,476 Somebody called the police and asked to check on her. 532 00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:31,820 And when they went inside, 533 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,120 they found that she had been posed, 534 00:27:35,219 --> 00:27:37,039 legs spread, facing the door, 535 00:27:37,138 --> 00:27:40,028 a pillow under her back which was remarkably similar 536 00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:43,710 to the way Charlotte Lamb and Georgia Wixstead were found. 537 00:27:43,814 --> 00:27:45,564 - The bedding from her bed was at the, 538 00:27:45,656 --> 00:27:50,236 all crumpled up at the end with a lamp, light post in it 539 00:27:50,337 --> 00:27:54,687 of a lamp that was focused on her body that was left there. 540 00:27:54,787 --> 00:27:57,737 That investigation, like a lot of the others, 541 00:28:00,044 --> 00:28:01,364 really went nowhere. 542 00:28:01,464 --> 00:28:04,784 - I just can't imagine what goes through someone's head 543 00:28:04,878 --> 00:28:08,688 that can do the things that he did repeatedly 544 00:28:08,792 --> 00:28:12,342 and get away with a lot of 'em for so long. 545 00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:17,839 - This is Bill McCreary in North Tarrytown 546 00:28:17,885 --> 00:28:19,625 with a story about the discovery of the body 547 00:28:19,727 --> 00:28:23,097 of a millionaire's daughter missing for the past 11 months. 548 00:28:32,235 --> 00:28:36,045 - It was a wooded area, very highly wooded area. 549 00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:39,119 It was on the grounds of the old Rockefeller estate, 550 00:28:39,218 --> 00:28:42,108 behind the Phelps Memorial Hospital. 551 00:28:42,211 --> 00:28:44,111 - Some of the friends of the girl 552 00:28:44,206 --> 00:28:46,636 who had known the boy that she had met or the suspect, 553 00:28:46,739 --> 00:28:48,669 and that when they went with him, 554 00:28:48,772 --> 00:28:50,442 he brought him up to this area 555 00:28:50,537 --> 00:28:52,387 to look at the sunset in this area. 556 00:28:52,494 --> 00:28:54,414 He loved to watch sunsets. 557 00:28:55,333 --> 00:28:57,423 They went up 24 times 558 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,300 where they eventually found Ellen Hover's remains. 559 00:29:01,396 --> 00:29:05,626 - We're in a secluded area up on the estate grounds. 560 00:29:05,731 --> 00:29:08,621 And behind me was where the old hospital was. 561 00:29:08,724 --> 00:29:12,234 Ellen's body was found somewhere in this area, 562 00:29:12,331 --> 00:29:16,031 parts of her body spread about. 563 00:29:16,129 --> 00:29:20,929 It was skeletal remains, an arm or a leg at one point. 564 00:29:21,347 --> 00:29:23,357 And then later on, months later, 565 00:29:23,458 --> 00:29:25,048 other parts of her body were found 566 00:29:25,146 --> 00:29:28,876 but not the entire skeletal remains. 567 00:29:28,983 --> 00:29:33,283 Her underwear, bra, and pieces of clothing were found also. 568 00:29:34,431 --> 00:29:36,351 Alcala had been here before. 569 00:29:36,848 --> 00:29:38,438 He knew the area. 570 00:29:38,537 --> 00:29:40,587 He was coming up here, using it as a place 571 00:29:40,685 --> 00:29:43,385 to take pictures of young ladies 572 00:29:43,486 --> 00:29:46,686 and then committing all sorts of atrocities. 573 00:29:46,786 --> 00:29:51,326 She was in a part where unless you knew to go there, 574 00:29:51,429 --> 00:29:52,629 you would not have gone there. 575 00:29:52,656 --> 00:29:54,816 And if her body hadn't been discovered, 576 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,050 her remains hadn't been discovered when they were, 577 00:29:57,145 --> 00:29:58,579 it probably would have been another year or two 578 00:29:58,603 --> 00:30:03,403 before she was found because local animals 579 00:30:03,822 --> 00:30:05,682 had gotten to her remains 580 00:30:05,778 --> 00:30:09,038 and had scattered them about on the estate. 581 00:30:10,152 --> 00:30:12,092 - I remember an ankle bracelet, 582 00:30:12,186 --> 00:30:15,616 like a little beaded ankle bracelet on her foot, 583 00:30:15,716 --> 00:30:17,036 what was left of a foot. 584 00:30:17,136 --> 00:30:18,916 It was really bits and pieces. 585 00:30:19,016 --> 00:30:22,596 And the clothing was rotting away, 586 00:30:22,699 --> 00:30:25,859 and there wasn't a full skeleton. 587 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,010 - Something like that completely affects your family 588 00:30:28,109 --> 00:30:32,959 in an unforgettable way, in an irreplaceable way. 589 00:30:33,059 --> 00:30:34,569 - Police say they do have the identity 590 00:30:34,593 --> 00:30:36,303 of a possible suspect in this case. 591 00:30:36,397 --> 00:30:38,367 But right now, the body of Miss Hover 592 00:30:38,469 --> 00:30:40,359 is in the medical examiner's office up here 593 00:30:40,464 --> 00:30:41,394 where they're trying to determine 594 00:30:41,461 --> 00:30:43,741 if foul play was involved in her death. 595 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,890 - They suspected Alcala being involved. 596 00:30:46,987 --> 00:30:51,087 But again, at that time, there was no evidence. 597 00:30:52,281 --> 00:30:55,871 - Back then, we didn't have DNA, and there was nothing 598 00:30:55,965 --> 00:30:58,085 that scientifically could be done 599 00:30:58,190 --> 00:31:00,390 unless there were some kind of evidence, 600 00:31:00,492 --> 00:31:03,492 physical evidence left behind by a perpetrator of the crime. 601 00:31:09,049 --> 00:31:10,449 - I think you have to be very smart 602 00:31:10,545 --> 00:31:12,205 to commit these many murders 603 00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:14,820 and get away with it for such a long time, 604 00:31:14,919 --> 00:31:18,159 traveling around the country, different names. 605 00:31:18,257 --> 00:31:22,257 I think he was intellectually smart, 606 00:31:22,363 --> 00:31:23,993 and I think he was very smart 607 00:31:24,089 --> 00:31:25,949 in the way he dealt with people, 608 00:31:26,046 --> 00:31:30,836 and he was able to convince little Tali to get into his car. 609 00:31:31,686 --> 00:31:33,926 He was able to get close to different people. 610 00:31:34,027 --> 00:31:36,377 He was able to convince them 611 00:31:36,482 --> 00:31:39,072 that he was not a threat at all. 612 00:31:39,168 --> 00:31:40,758 - The camera was what he used, 613 00:31:40,856 --> 00:31:42,476 and he was hiding in plain sight. 614 00:31:42,583 --> 00:31:43,673 He went on The Dating Game. 615 00:31:43,772 --> 00:31:45,902 I mean, how brazen can you get? 616 00:31:45,998 --> 00:31:47,658 Please welcome Rodney Alcala. 617 00:31:47,763 --> 00:31:50,103 Rod, welcome. 618 00:31:53,326 --> 00:31:54,186 From Hollywood, 619 00:31:54,285 --> 00:31:57,865 the dating capital of the world, it's The Dating Game! 620 00:31:59,273 --> 00:32:02,173 Here's the star of our show, and your host, Jim Lange! 621 00:32:02,266 --> 00:32:06,426 - The Dating Game was an iconic Hollywood show, 622 00:32:06,525 --> 00:32:11,485 and it was part of this cultural sexual revolution 623 00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:12,910 that came out of Hollywood. 624 00:32:13,009 --> 00:32:16,769 It was full of humor and sexual innuendo. 625 00:32:17,575 --> 00:32:19,655 - I started out as a contestant coordinator. 626 00:32:19,762 --> 00:32:22,732 So I was in charge of the people that got contestants, 627 00:32:22,832 --> 00:32:25,342 and so I spent a lot of my day dealing with that stuff. 628 00:32:25,441 --> 00:32:26,881 - It was a machine. 629 00:32:26,976 --> 00:32:27,676 It really was. 630 00:32:27,781 --> 00:32:31,291 It was a quick, intense ability 631 00:32:31,388 --> 00:32:33,808 to tap into who these people were, 632 00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:39,189 and get, plunge into their personalities 633 00:32:39,292 --> 00:32:41,002 as quickly as we could. 634 00:32:41,095 --> 00:32:43,135 - When the guys came, it was, 635 00:32:43,244 --> 00:32:45,984 they either had to have a spectacular sense of humor 636 00:32:46,083 --> 00:32:49,253 and be, have a good personality, of course, 637 00:32:49,345 --> 00:32:51,835 or they had to be like really cute. 638 00:32:52,798 --> 00:32:54,578 Next, we welcome to this very stage 639 00:32:54,678 --> 00:32:56,678 a confirmed bachelor who believes in life, liberty, 640 00:32:56,711 --> 00:32:58,341 and the happiness of pursuit. 641 00:32:58,438 --> 00:32:59,948 He is an actor, a snorkel buff, 642 00:33:00,050 --> 00:33:02,710 and he's from New York, New York, Jed Mills. 643 00:33:02,812 --> 00:33:05,782 Jed, good luck to you. 644 00:33:05,882 --> 00:33:07,642 - My brother and I are hanging out one night, 645 00:33:07,685 --> 00:33:09,325 and I hadn't worked in a couple of weeks. 646 00:33:09,411 --> 00:33:11,351 And we're at his house and he turns the TV on 647 00:33:11,445 --> 00:33:13,105 and The Dating Game is on. 648 00:33:13,210 --> 00:33:17,520 And I said, "I will never do that show." 649 00:33:17,622 --> 00:33:19,982 And James said, "But you're SAG. 650 00:33:20,078 --> 00:33:20,778 "You get paid for it." 651 00:33:20,884 --> 00:33:21,904 Oh. 652 00:33:21,996 --> 00:33:23,116 Oh, let me think about that. 653 00:33:23,148 --> 00:33:25,118 Yeah, okay, I'll do the show. 654 00:33:25,219 --> 00:33:26,308 And then I get the appointment, 655 00:33:26,332 --> 00:33:28,342 I go there and they interview you. 656 00:33:28,442 --> 00:33:29,685 They ask you a bunch of questions. 657 00:33:29,709 --> 00:33:32,829 And the casting person knows me. 658 00:33:32,932 --> 00:33:36,092 So now, I'm cast, okay? 659 00:33:36,193 --> 00:33:40,393 So then the next step is to show up and do the show, 660 00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:41,540 simple as that. 661 00:33:41,641 --> 00:33:43,231 So I got to the green room and there's, 662 00:33:43,330 --> 00:33:46,260 it's just myself, Rodney Alcala, and another gentleman, 663 00:33:46,361 --> 00:33:48,831 a nice guy, a very kind of a shy guy. 664 00:33:48,931 --> 00:33:51,171 I basically was talking to this guy 665 00:33:51,272 --> 00:33:54,632 much more than I was Rodney Alcala 'cause he was weird. 666 00:33:54,725 --> 00:33:57,955 - To me, he was an extremely attractive man. 667 00:33:58,063 --> 00:34:00,383 He was like part American Indian. 668 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,690 He had long hair. 669 00:34:01,785 --> 00:34:06,575 He was like just sculpted, and he was beautiful. 670 00:34:07,502 --> 00:34:08,752 Michael was like, 671 00:34:08,845 --> 00:34:11,545 "There's something wrong with that guy." 672 00:34:11,646 --> 00:34:14,616 - I just didn't feel I wanted to put this guy on the show, 673 00:34:14,715 --> 00:34:16,265 and we did argue about it. 674 00:34:16,365 --> 00:34:18,105 And I remember the girls were, 675 00:34:18,207 --> 00:34:19,637 "Oh, you gotta put him on. 676 00:34:19,741 --> 00:34:23,131 "Oh God, he's so gorgeous." 677 00:34:23,233 --> 00:34:26,113 And it was like, yeah, okay, fine. 678 00:34:28,336 --> 00:34:29,656 I'll put him on the show, okay? 679 00:34:29,756 --> 00:34:30,960 - And there, he was no trouble. 680 00:34:30,984 --> 00:34:32,074 It wasn't any weird thing. 681 00:34:32,173 --> 00:34:34,106 We just called him up and gave him his appointment. 682 00:34:34,130 --> 00:34:35,600 He came to the studio. 683 00:34:35,703 --> 00:34:38,633 And then he had cut his hair, and he looked different, 684 00:34:38,734 --> 00:34:41,404 and he acted different, and he was a little bit creepy 685 00:34:41,497 --> 00:34:43,577 when he came to the studio. 686 00:34:43,684 --> 00:34:46,154 - I basically was talking to this guy. 687 00:34:46,254 --> 00:34:46,964 He's saying, 688 00:34:47,060 --> 00:34:50,630 "Well, I kind of have a hard time getting dates. 689 00:34:52,777 --> 00:34:54,327 "I'm not that outgoing." 690 00:34:54,427 --> 00:34:58,847 And Rodney Alcala, this piece of crap, jumps in, 691 00:34:58,954 --> 00:35:01,164 puts his face right up to my face and says, 692 00:35:01,257 --> 00:35:04,187 "I always get my girl." 693 00:35:04,288 --> 00:35:08,718 And I put my hand up, and I push his face away from me, 694 00:35:08,815 --> 00:35:10,441 and I said, "If you come near me again with that face 695 00:35:10,465 --> 00:35:13,085 "I'll beat the fuck out of you," something like that. 696 00:35:13,189 --> 00:35:15,509 And he, now he went to his little corner 697 00:35:15,606 --> 00:35:18,956 and he was mumbling. 698 00:35:19,060 --> 00:35:19,800 That's what he was doing. 699 00:35:19,904 --> 00:35:22,454 - If a man sitting in a green room 700 00:35:22,551 --> 00:35:25,101 in a television show studio in Hollywood 701 00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:28,049 is creeped out by this guy, imagine being alone with him 702 00:35:28,153 --> 00:35:31,473 and him completely in charge of your life and your fate. 703 00:35:31,568 --> 00:35:32,428 - You didn't like him. 704 00:35:32,527 --> 00:35:34,037 I didn't like him at all. 705 00:35:34,139 --> 00:35:36,029 - Everything he said to me was creepy. 706 00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:39,644 I mean, I really, from what I first described to the taping, 707 00:35:39,740 --> 00:35:40,944 I couldn't even look at the guy. 708 00:35:40,968 --> 00:35:43,978 - Now, when he got out on stage, he became alive. 709 00:35:45,572 --> 00:35:46,242 - Well, let's see. 710 00:35:46,340 --> 00:35:48,470 Back to number one who's a successful photographer 711 00:35:48,565 --> 00:35:50,191 who got his start when his father found him 712 00:35:50,215 --> 00:35:53,605 in the dark room at the age of 13 fully developed. 713 00:35:54,512 --> 00:35:57,792 Between takes, he might find him skydiving or motorcycling. 714 00:35:57,889 --> 00:35:59,549 Please welcome Rodney Alcala. 715 00:35:59,654 --> 00:36:01,574 Rod, Welcome. 716 00:36:02,263 --> 00:36:05,623 - He goes on the show under his own name. 717 00:36:05,716 --> 00:36:08,026 He's on the, he's wanted. 718 00:36:08,133 --> 00:36:12,223 - He had killed five people by then. 719 00:36:12,316 --> 00:36:14,226 - Background checks, 720 00:36:15,155 --> 00:36:16,355 no. 721 00:36:16,459 --> 00:36:18,379 Nobody even thought of it. 722 00:36:18,953 --> 00:36:21,083 - It's shocking that you could kill, 723 00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:24,259 brutally rape, murder, torture these women 724 00:36:24,363 --> 00:36:27,263 and then show up and be all smiley face on this show. 725 00:36:27,356 --> 00:36:30,396 It just like, there's a total disconnect 726 00:36:30,502 --> 00:36:32,172 between the reality of the actions 727 00:36:32,267 --> 00:36:36,577 and no remorse for the actions taken, 728 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,040 no accountability, nothing internal. 729 00:36:39,135 --> 00:36:40,945 - The Dating Game was, in a way, 730 00:36:41,054 --> 00:36:42,344 like an audition for Hollywood. 731 00:36:42,435 --> 00:36:46,245 You were auditioning to be the cool bachelor guy. 732 00:36:46,349 --> 00:36:48,279 So many of these shows were like this, 733 00:36:48,382 --> 00:36:50,972 that you put yourself forward to become a star 734 00:36:51,068 --> 00:36:54,078 even for that one half hour on weekly television. 735 00:36:54,176 --> 00:36:55,916 And I can imagine the gratification 736 00:36:56,018 --> 00:36:57,798 that must have given him to be selected. 737 00:36:57,898 --> 00:36:59,598 - He just felt invincible. 738 00:36:59,701 --> 00:37:01,401 I mean, and why wouldn't you? 739 00:37:01,504 --> 00:37:02,254 Look at his past. 740 00:37:02,348 --> 00:37:03,978 He'd gotten away with this stuff. 741 00:37:04,075 --> 00:37:06,385 Why would he not feel invincible? 742 00:37:06,492 --> 00:37:08,622 - Bachelor number one... 743 00:37:08,718 --> 00:37:09,418 Yes. 744 00:37:09,523 --> 00:37:12,093 - What's your best time? 745 00:37:12,977 --> 00:37:15,827 - The best time is at night, nighttime. 746 00:37:16,698 --> 00:37:17,468 Why do you say that? 747 00:37:17,542 --> 00:37:19,512 - Because that's the only time there is. 748 00:37:19,614 --> 00:37:20,284 - The only time? 749 00:37:20,382 --> 00:37:22,282 What's wrong with morning, afternoon? 750 00:37:22,377 --> 00:37:23,537 - Well, they're okay, 751 00:37:23,643 --> 00:37:25,623 but nighttime is when it really gets good. 752 00:37:25,715 --> 00:37:27,335 Then you're really ready. 753 00:37:27,442 --> 00:37:31,092 - In light of what we know, how chilling was that? 754 00:37:31,931 --> 00:37:35,191 - I think it shows enormous hubris 755 00:37:36,113 --> 00:37:36,883 and probably was enjoying it. 756 00:37:36,957 --> 00:37:39,507 He was probably enjoying himself quite a bit. 757 00:37:39,605 --> 00:37:42,055 And he was laughing, I'm sure, at everybody. 758 00:37:42,943 --> 00:37:47,223 - I'm a drama teacher, and I'm going to audition each of you 759 00:37:47,317 --> 00:37:50,667 for my private class. 760 00:37:50,770 --> 00:37:55,570 Bachelor number one, you're a dirty old man. 761 00:37:56,448 --> 00:37:57,448 Take it. 762 00:37:57,484 --> 00:38:00,424 Oh, come on, over here. 763 00:38:04,851 --> 00:38:06,941 Bachelor number two. 764 00:38:07,038 --> 00:38:10,738 What the fuck am I doing here? 765 00:38:10,837 --> 00:38:12,807 What am I doing here? 766 00:38:12,909 --> 00:38:16,629 - His humor was inappropriate in a certain sense. 767 00:38:17,628 --> 00:38:21,138 And his delivery, his delivery of whatever lines 768 00:38:21,235 --> 00:38:25,615 he felt were humorous or gonna win the girl's heart were, 769 00:38:25,724 --> 00:38:30,694 to me, they were strangely inappropriate 770 00:38:30,789 --> 00:38:32,379 and weird. 771 00:38:32,477 --> 00:38:36,287 - I'm called the banana, and I look really good. 772 00:38:38,808 --> 00:38:40,778 - Can you be a little more descriptive? 773 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:41,880 - Peel me. 774 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,190 - He was so charming. 775 00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:48,210 He was a nice-looking boy. 776 00:38:48,783 --> 00:38:53,173 And he was selected as the date, the winner of the contest. 777 00:38:53,273 --> 00:38:55,483 Number one, bachelor number one. 778 00:38:55,575 --> 00:38:57,005 All right. 779 00:38:57,110 --> 00:39:01,910 - He must have thought this was the absolute pinnacle 780 00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:05,990 of his success of fooling the world. 781 00:39:06,088 --> 00:39:08,898 He could kill, he could rape, he could mutilate, 782 00:39:09,004 --> 00:39:13,244 and he could fool everybody while he did it. 783 00:39:13,340 --> 00:39:15,850 Say hello to Rodney Alcala. 784 00:39:15,949 --> 00:39:17,809 Rodney, come on and say hello. 785 00:39:19,939 --> 00:39:20,839 Congratulations Rod. 786 00:39:20,937 --> 00:39:25,477 - The girl that picked him, after the show, 787 00:39:25,579 --> 00:39:29,049 she had a little time with him or whatever. 788 00:39:29,147 --> 00:39:32,537 And when we got back to the office the next week, 789 00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:36,399 she called me and she said, "I'm not going on the date." 790 00:39:37,243 --> 00:39:40,333 And I said, "Okay, tell me why," as if I didn't know. 791 00:39:40,428 --> 00:39:42,478 She said, "He's really creepy and I'm not going." 792 00:39:42,577 --> 00:39:45,887 And I said, "Absolutely, no problem, you're not going." 793 00:39:45,991 --> 00:39:49,291 So it was like, there's definitely a vibe from that guy, 794 00:39:50,289 --> 00:39:52,759 and some people are just blinded by beauty. 795 00:39:52,859 --> 00:39:56,139 - I think her rejection of him 796 00:39:56,236 --> 00:39:58,856 was probably devastating to him inside. 797 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,470 Inside, he was probably crushed 798 00:40:01,569 --> 00:40:03,769 by her not going on an all paid date, 799 00:40:03,871 --> 00:40:04,960 'cause you must be pretty bad 800 00:40:04,984 --> 00:40:07,194 when won't even go on a date with someone 801 00:40:07,286 --> 00:40:11,476 and it's like that, televised and all paid for. 802 00:40:11,583 --> 00:40:13,133 It would be embarrassing. 803 00:40:13,233 --> 00:40:15,243 - And again, he's not gonna stop killing. 804 00:40:15,343 --> 00:40:16,933 Some serial killers stop. 805 00:40:17,032 --> 00:40:19,122 He just, he's not, he wasn't one of those. 806 00:40:19,219 --> 00:40:21,139 He didn't stop. 59949

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