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- The 13th and 14th
of July, 1977 was a,
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literally a dark
period in New York.
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That's when that great
blackout happened.
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- It was really hot and humid,
and the power grid went down.
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It was a blackout.
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It was insane.
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- That summer of '77,
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it was definitely a
dark time in many ways.
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- In the '70s, for
someone to disappear
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and later be found murdered
in New York was not unusual.
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- The missing person
squad at that time
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was inundated with these cases.
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We had 2,000 murders
in the '70s every year.
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- It was a time
that serial killers
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had a much better opportunity
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to do their dirty,
horrible deeds.
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- Change your name,
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go to New York where there's
millions of people living,
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walking the streets every
day and just blend in.
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- When you have 2,000
homicides taking place,
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how do you know who is the
person and the perpetrator.
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- Ellen Hover, she
was an heiress.
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She grew up in Beverly Hills
and then went to New York.
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On the 15th of July,
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Ellen Hover wrote on her
calendar, John Berger,
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and that was the last day
anybody had ever seen her alive.
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- Starting with his honorable
discharge from the military,
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and then later, when he was
given parole in California
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after just 34 months
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for the Tali Shapiro
kidnapping and rape,
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that allowed him to go
free out on the streets.
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Then when he was arrested again
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for providing marijuana to a
minor, went back to prison,
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but then released again shortly
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and allowed to just roam
about the country again
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and to disappear.
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- He was familiar with
New York at the time
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from living here prior.
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Dating capital of the world,
it's easy to make mix in here.
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And you have another predator
coming back to New York,
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living his life.
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- The fact that this
guy was moving around
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without any limitations
is disturbing,
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knowing that he could
have been anywhere
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at any time in
the United States.
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- He's a confidence
man in that respect.
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His ultimate body count will
be dependent upon his ability
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to con children,
adults, mostly women,
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but probably some males
somewhere along the line,
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into believing that he is
whatever he's attempting
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to make them believe
he is at the moment.
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- His approach was always based
on his love of photography,
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and that would strike
up the conversation.
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At that time, he was
probably very charismatic.
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He is reportedly, was
reportedly intelligent,
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with an elevated IQ,
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and probably very
self-confident in his abilities.
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- He had the charm.
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He had the personality
that people seemed to like.
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He also was a good photographer.
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He wouldn't be in NYU
taking film school, right?
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He had to have had
some sort of a,
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he knew what he
was talking about.
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He had equipment,
and he had the word.
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He could say it in the way
that people believed him.
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- If you met him for the first
time, especially in the '70s,
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he had that look.
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He had the curly
hair, long curly hair.
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He had nice bone structure,
a nice-looking guy.
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And he could approach women
with, again, with that camera
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as sort of that buffer
between the evil person he is
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and the innocent victim
on the other side.
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"Oh, you're beautiful.
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"Would you like to be a model?"
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Or, "I'm a professional
photographer.
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"I would just love it if I
could take your picture."
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And it was a way in.
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It was just a way in.
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- He looked for every
opportunity, day and night,
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to fulfill that wish of his
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to take the life
of these people.
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- Ellen Hover was the daughter
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of the owner of
Ciro's club in LA,
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which was a really hot spot
for a lot of people to go.
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She was also the goddaughter
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of Dean Martin and
Sammy Davis Jr.
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So she was in a well-to-do
family, fairly popular.
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- Oh my goodness,
dancing at Ciro's,
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it had every great band.
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Artie Shaw, Benny Goodman,
Sammy Davis Jr., Dean Martin,
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all these people appeared,
every Hollywood celebrity
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from Tallulah Bankhead,
to Betty Davis,
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Clark Gable, Humphrey Bogart.
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You name 'em, they all
went to dance at Ciro's.
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- Ellen's father was my uncle,
who owned the nightclub.
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And his wife, her mother,
was a very pretty,
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beautiful ex-show
girl whom he married.
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It was a glamorous place.
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I used to go and do my
homework there after school.
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My mother would pick me up
and she'd hang out there
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and talk business
with her brother,
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and I'd sit there as
the lights went down.
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And Nat king Cole
warmed up and rehearsed,
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I would sit there.
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So it was a very
glamorous place.
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My memory of her when
she was a little girl,
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she was just lovely.
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She was pretty.
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She had long legs
like her mother.
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She was trusting.
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She was sweet.
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She loved music.
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Music ran in the family.
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I didn't get the gene,
but other people did.
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And she eventually wanted to
be, was interested in music,
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but also wanted to be a doctor.
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Just, she would've been
a lovely person to meet,
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and she had a good
trusting heart.
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When she moved to New York,
we didn't get in touch
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because my father had
married her mother.
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In an unusual turn of events,
both of the couples divorced.
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My father had
married her mother,
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and unfortunately, my loss
of Ellen was a part of that.
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Ellen went missing
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the day after this huge
blackout, just vanished.
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- Those signs went up,
the posters went up
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all over on the walls, on the
telephone poles, everywhere.
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- The disappearance of Ellen
Hover got a lot of publicity.
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It was in the tabloids.
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It was on TV because her
parents offered this big reward,
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$100,000 for information
for helping finding her.
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- Her family hired private
detectives to try to locate her.
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She's not the kind of girl
who would just wander off.
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I mean, that just
wasn't gonna happen.
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She was a sweet
girl, a nice girl.
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Everyone liked her.
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There was nothing not to like.
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And for her to just
disappear was nothing,
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no one could make that out.
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Something bad had to
have happened to her.
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They're trying to figure
out, who was she last with?
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Is there anybody who
saw her, knew her?
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But this blackout
complicated things.
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- She had told a girlfriend
that she met this guy
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who was a photographer at
the unemployment office,
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so she wasn't
working at the time.
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On the calendar, she had written
on that date, John Berger,
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so she was going to
have a date with him.
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- They really wanted to
find this John Berger guy
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because he may have been the
last person to see her alive.
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- There was a resident of
her building in Midtown
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who let him into the building.
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He had her name, said
he was looking for her,
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and she pointed out the door.
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There was a man she was dating
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who saw him pick her
up or drop her off.
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So there were bits and pieces
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that led to suspicion
against somebody.
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- NYPD find out
who John Berger is,
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and they call Los Angeles.
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Well, they get the detective
on the case and he says,
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"Oh, whoa, okay, wait a minute.
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"That's our guy."
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- But he wasn't really
a New York resident.
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He was essentially visiting.
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He was living at home with his
mother in East Los Angeles.
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- The FBI actually went
out and interviewed him
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and he admitted having
met Ellen Hover.
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First, he denied it,
but then he admitted it
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and said they went out,
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maybe he took her to a
drug store or to a bank.
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But the best he could remember,
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he dropped her back home
and he never saw her again.
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- They questioned him.
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They wanted to prosecute him.
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But the prosecutor said just
having that name in her diary,
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it wasn't enough.
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- They asked if he would
take a lie detector.
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He refused, and they
kind of let it go.
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So the reward basically
led to nothing.
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- The '70s and the
'80s especially,
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there was this rash
of serial killers
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that doesn't seem to
have been so prominent
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before or after to
the same degree.
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- The '60s and '70s had
so many serial killers.
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It was a regular thing going on.
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A lot of the generation in
the '60s were brought up
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by parents and fathers who
came back from the war,
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and they didn't, they weren't
affectionate or emotional
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with their kids, their boys.
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That left an open ground.
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So there was a lot of, a
big rise in serial killers.
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Again, you had everything
from Charles Manson,
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to the .44 Caliber
murderer, the Son of Sam,
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the Hillside
Strangler, the green,
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I mean, it just, it's endless.
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You could just go on and on,
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and it was going on
all over the country.
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- Well, the mood in
Los Angeles in the '70s
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was if I can get away
with it, I'm gonna do it.
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I can remember handling
a murder in an alley
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at three a.m. one morning,
and as the sun came up,
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the corner arrived in his wagon.
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I hear the wagon backing in,
and then I hear the guy get out
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and I hear, "Oh, shit!"
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And I said, "What's the matter?"
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And the guy says,
"I got no room."
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Well, he'd already had
four bodies in there.
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He's just jumping from
one scene to the next.
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He had four bodies in the back
from four previous homicides.
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So our guy, we had to,
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he was doing this,
two top, two below.
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We had to split the bottom two
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and he shoved the body in
between the bottom two.
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You go to the coroner's office
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and there'd be two or
three bodies on a gurney.
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I mean, you'd have four
or five murders a night.
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- We saw this danger almost
every week in the headlines
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on the television news
and in the LA Times,
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another murder, another
headless corpse.
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- When you can be snatched
off the street and murdered,
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it terrifies everybody.
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- It was the downtown
Los Angeles Library,
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the main library in all of LA,
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which is also the scene of
several homicides over the years.
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Go back actually to 1964 when
there were two homicides.
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One of 'em was right
here on the grounds,
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another one was the
following night.
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A fellow by the name
of Vaughn Greenwood,
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the Skid Row Slasher,
attacked one victim here
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and killed 'em, went
about three blocks north
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and killed again
the very next day.
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Again, that's way back in 1964.
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Right here, December 1st, 1974,
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leaning up against this
pillar nearly decapitated.
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Four years almost to the
day on November 9th, 1978,
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on this side of the pillar,
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we had David Jones lying
right here, a Stabber victim.
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So we got the one
Slasher victim here,
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the Skid Row Slasher
serial killer.
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Over here was the Skid
Row Stabber serial killer
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four years later.
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- Serial killers back then
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didn't have to worry
about DNA evidence.
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They didn't have to worry about
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surveillance cameras everywhere.
247
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Unlike today, it was
much more free wheeling.
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You could get away
with a lot of things.
249
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So it was very difficult
for investigators
250
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and law enforcement
really to know
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what was going on
in their own city.
252
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- Rodney Alcala was
living with his mother
253
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in East Los Angeles at the time.
254
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And he got a new station wagon,
255
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and he began to essentially
patrol Southern California.
256
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He had binoculars, and
you see this thing,
257
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the windows were tinted before
tinted windows was a thing.
258
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So he would cruise
Southern California
259
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with his photography
equipment, with his binoculars,
260
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with his maps, and he was
essentially on the hunt.
261
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He was a human predator.
262
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- Jill Barcomb was an
18-year-old young girl,
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just graduated high school,
264
00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:24,380
left a small town in upstate
New York with some friends,
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kind of went on an adventure.
266
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- She decided in the summer
267
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that she would go
with her friends
268
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and they were gonna
drive to California.
269
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So they all go to California.
270
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She phoned home, said,
"We're here, it's great,
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"but I love it so
much, I'm gonna stay."
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- She was experiencing
273
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some of what Southern
California had to offer,
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the ocean, Hollywood,
different scenery,
275
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and a chance to take
a break from New York
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and think about
where she was going.
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November 10th,
1977, Friday night,
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I'm at at a high school
party with friends.
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One of my friends, who was
a good friend with Jill,
280
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asked about her at that party.
281
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And I go, "Hey, I
just spoke with her
282
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"and she's doing fantastic."
283
00:15:04,227 --> 00:15:06,237
And in fact, I was
calling home to say
284
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I'd be staying the
night at my friend's,
285
00:15:08,179 --> 00:15:11,459
and that's when they said,
"You need to come home."
286
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As I walked in the door of
my home, I could hear crying.
287
00:15:14,893 --> 00:15:17,253
My mother came up to
me in tears, hugged me,
288
00:15:17,349 --> 00:15:19,052
and then she said, "Your
sister, Jill, is dead,"
289
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and that was the shock.
290
00:15:20,534 --> 00:15:22,684
And I sat down in
the living room
291
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and just trying to take it in.
292
00:15:25,905 --> 00:15:27,569
The younger kids were
crying in the background,
293
00:15:27,593 --> 00:15:30,223
and I was just trying to get
a sense of what I just heard
294
00:15:30,318 --> 00:15:32,468
and process that raw emotion.
295
00:15:33,541 --> 00:15:37,011
And it would take till
her body being flown out
296
00:15:37,109 --> 00:15:40,649
with the detectives from Los
Angeles to meet with my parents
297
00:15:40,754 --> 00:15:45,174
before we would know specifically
what had occurred to Jill.
298
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- She was found on a fire road
299
00:15:48,198 --> 00:15:50,518
up in the hills above
Hollywood, California,
300
00:15:50,615 --> 00:15:52,125
near where Rodney
Alcala kidnapped
301
00:15:52,226 --> 00:15:54,846
and almost murdered
Tali Shapiro.
302
00:15:54,950 --> 00:15:56,810
- Her body was found.
303
00:15:56,907 --> 00:15:59,647
She was on her knees with
her face in the dirt.
304
00:15:59,747 --> 00:16:01,297
Her, she had no pants on.
305
00:16:01,396 --> 00:16:05,516
Her pant leg was one of three
ligatures around her neck,
306
00:16:05,617 --> 00:16:09,047
nylon stockings, the
pant legs, and a belt,
307
00:16:09,147 --> 00:16:11,067
three ligatures around her neck.
308
00:16:11,833 --> 00:16:16,613
There were footsteps going
backwards from her buttocks area
309
00:16:16,706 --> 00:16:20,706
as if somebody had stood
back and taken photographs
310
00:16:20,811 --> 00:16:23,611
after she was murdered,
brutally murdered.
311
00:16:24,418 --> 00:16:29,208
- Her injuries included
cuts and burns and bruises,
312
00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:34,980
and she had also been bitten
and been tortured severely
313
00:16:35,084 --> 00:16:36,484
throughout her whole body too.
314
00:16:36,581 --> 00:16:38,981
It wasn't just like one place.
315
00:16:39,075 --> 00:16:43,865
- The depraved heart of
someone to brutally kill
316
00:16:44,983 --> 00:16:47,533
and sexually assault a
young 18-year-old girl,
317
00:16:47,631 --> 00:16:51,791
and leave her so exposed,
and to take pleasure
318
00:16:51,890 --> 00:16:54,190
out of what he had done,
319
00:16:56,034 --> 00:16:57,204
I can't understand that,
320
00:16:57,300 --> 00:16:59,300
and I can't ask anyone
to understand that.
321
00:17:01,789 --> 00:17:04,989
- When the detectives
were looking at this case,
322
00:17:05,089 --> 00:17:07,789
the first thought would be,
well, Hillside Strangler.
323
00:17:07,889 --> 00:17:09,399
- She fit the description,
324
00:17:09,501 --> 00:17:12,851
as in the type of
victim and the MO,
325
00:17:12,954 --> 00:17:15,084
and so that was kind
of what they're,
326
00:17:15,180 --> 00:17:18,800
the police were focused on,
and she ended up on that list.
327
00:17:18,901 --> 00:17:22,411
So they didn't have the
Rodney Alcala initially
328
00:17:22,508 --> 00:17:24,428
on their mind.
329
00:17:26,038 --> 00:17:30,598
- At the time of the Hillside
Strangler investigations,
330
00:17:31,563 --> 00:17:34,763
ironically, Rodney
Alcala was working
331
00:17:34,863 --> 00:17:36,413
for the Los Angeles Times.
332
00:17:36,513 --> 00:17:38,643
He was working as a typesetter.
333
00:17:38,738 --> 00:17:41,128
- This entire block was
the LA Times complex,
334
00:17:41,232 --> 00:17:42,743
and the LA Times has
been on this side
335
00:17:42,767 --> 00:17:45,347
at least since the 1920s, '30s.
336
00:17:45,453 --> 00:17:46,813
It's moved incrementally,
337
00:17:46,911 --> 00:17:50,841
but the LA times has been a
presence in downtown since 1881.
338
00:17:50,939 --> 00:17:54,099
And in the 1970s, when
Rodney Alcala worked here,
339
00:17:54,201 --> 00:17:55,601
it was a thriving business.
340
00:17:55,697 --> 00:17:57,897
There wasn't a lot of
competition for advertising
341
00:17:57,999 --> 00:17:59,739
or much for news at that point.
342
00:18:01,989 --> 00:18:04,039
- He's a registered
sex offender.
343
00:18:04,138 --> 00:18:06,838
They do no background
check on him at all.
344
00:18:06,939 --> 00:18:09,279
And he's just happily
working away there,
345
00:18:10,085 --> 00:18:13,855
still hunting, still
pursuing victims,
346
00:18:13,961 --> 00:18:16,551
and they have no clue.
347
00:18:16,646 --> 00:18:18,696
- A colleague of mine
at the Los Angeles Times
348
00:18:18,795 --> 00:18:21,795
talks about him as a
handsome guy, a tall guy
349
00:18:21,903 --> 00:18:24,263
who would come in wearing
his green fatigue jacket
350
00:18:24,358 --> 00:18:25,598
and carrying a briefcase.
351
00:18:25,701 --> 00:18:27,411
His hair was back in a ponytail.
352
00:18:27,505 --> 00:18:29,055
This was very hip
looking at the time,
353
00:18:29,155 --> 00:18:30,595
and the little
glasses that he wore,
354
00:18:30,651 --> 00:18:32,571
almost like a John
Lennon glasses.
355
00:18:33,260 --> 00:18:35,100
This was the look that
people were looking for.
356
00:18:35,140 --> 00:18:36,380
This was style.
357
00:18:36,483 --> 00:18:37,653
And this guy looks likable.
358
00:18:37,749 --> 00:18:39,639
He's got a degree from UCLA.
359
00:18:39,744 --> 00:18:41,334
Clearly, he's capable,
360
00:18:41,433 --> 00:18:43,413
so maybe you don't ask
too many questions.
361
00:18:43,505 --> 00:18:45,415
I don't know.
362
00:19:07,140 --> 00:19:10,840
- Georgia Wixted was a
pediatric oncology nurse.
363
00:19:10,938 --> 00:19:13,058
So you talk about
contributions to society,
364
00:19:13,164 --> 00:19:15,794
she basically dealt with
kids who had cancer,
365
00:19:15,888 --> 00:19:18,468
so she is a force of good.
366
00:19:18,574 --> 00:19:21,394
And she just moved into
her first place by herself.
367
00:19:21,490 --> 00:19:25,530
She had a little apartment in
Malibu, right on the beach.
368
00:19:25,633 --> 00:19:27,913
And somebody actually asked
her, "What are you gonna do
369
00:19:28,012 --> 00:19:30,372
"if the Hillside Strangler
shows up your house?"
370
00:19:30,468 --> 00:19:31,748
And she goes, "Oh,
I have a whole plan.
371
00:19:31,772 --> 00:19:33,692
"I'm gonna hit him
with my hammer."
372
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,350
- One morning, when she
failed to pick up a coworker
373
00:19:38,449 --> 00:19:41,729
to go to work, the
friend called the police,
374
00:19:41,825 --> 00:19:44,215
and they went into her
home and they found her.
375
00:19:44,319 --> 00:19:46,829
She had been raped, bludgeoned,
376
00:19:46,928 --> 00:19:48,668
strangled, brutally murdered.
377
00:19:48,770 --> 00:19:53,580
- They found her room in
complete disarray, her apartment,
378
00:19:53,681 --> 00:19:58,571
and her body was laying on
the floor, completely naked.
379
00:19:58,669 --> 00:20:01,469
She had been brutally
sexually assaulted,
380
00:20:02,851 --> 00:20:06,631
and her legs were
spread wide open
381
00:20:06,726 --> 00:20:09,116
facing the front door.
382
00:20:09,220 --> 00:20:11,420
- She had not only the
normal torture marks
383
00:20:11,523 --> 00:20:13,113
that that Rodney Alcala did,
384
00:20:13,211 --> 00:20:15,951
like the burns and the
bites and the cuts,
385
00:20:16,050 --> 00:20:19,630
she also had like a claw,
a scraping in her head
386
00:20:19,733 --> 00:20:21,443
that would look like
she had been clawed.
387
00:20:21,537 --> 00:20:25,867
So it was even more severe
than the previous murders.
388
00:20:27,062 --> 00:20:29,112
- He beat her to death
389
00:20:29,211 --> 00:20:31,531
with the hammer that
was found next to her.
390
00:20:31,628 --> 00:20:32,448
So we've always wondered,
391
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:34,369
did she try to defend
herself with the hammer?
392
00:20:34,467 --> 00:20:36,387
Did she hear something?
393
00:20:36,692 --> 00:20:40,622
- Both Jill Barcomb and
Georgia Wixted's family
394
00:20:40,721 --> 00:20:45,521
were unable to have an
open casket funerals
395
00:20:46,707 --> 00:20:49,597
because of how extensive
396
00:20:49,699 --> 00:20:52,439
the damage was done
to their skulls.
397
00:20:52,539 --> 00:20:55,389
For Georgia Wixted, it was
both ends of the claw hammer,
398
00:20:55,493 --> 00:20:58,623
the flat and the claw
end to her skull,
399
00:20:58,716 --> 00:20:59,876
and it was ripped apart.
400
00:20:59,982 --> 00:21:02,572
And for Jill Barcomb,
it was with a giant rock
401
00:21:02,668 --> 00:21:07,328
just breaking into the skull
and the bones repeatedly
402
00:21:07,426 --> 00:21:10,236
to the point where
she was unrecognizable
403
00:21:10,342 --> 00:21:12,202
by her own brother.
404
00:21:12,299 --> 00:21:14,809
- I had night terrors
and hence post trauma.
405
00:21:14,908 --> 00:21:18,528
And in my sleep, I'm
waking up in tears
406
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:21,750
and Jill is coming to
me with a damaged face
407
00:21:21,853 --> 00:21:26,653
telling me she's okay
and trying to, again,
408
00:21:28,375 --> 00:21:30,325
console me and give me peace.
409
00:21:31,483 --> 00:21:33,403
And that's who she was to me.
410
00:21:38,198 --> 00:21:40,358
- Not all serial
killers torture,
411
00:21:40,461 --> 00:21:45,261
but his biggest thrill
for him was the torture
412
00:21:46,562 --> 00:21:48,422
because he spent time
with his victims.
413
00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:50,949
It took a little
time to strangle them
414
00:21:51,051 --> 00:21:52,408
and bring them back
to consciousness.
415
00:21:52,432 --> 00:21:54,872
So that, in my book,
that ups the ante.
416
00:21:54,965 --> 00:21:59,085
They're all evil, but if you
have to assign a degree to it,
417
00:21:59,185 --> 00:22:03,605
I think he's with the
people at the very top.
418
00:22:03,713 --> 00:22:05,303
- He preyed on women
and young girls.
419
00:22:05,401 --> 00:22:07,601
Well, we had three or
four other serial killers
420
00:22:07,703 --> 00:22:09,176
doing the same thing
at the same time.
421
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,940
So it was hard to
pick who's doing what,
422
00:22:11,041 --> 00:22:12,591
and we really didn't
know for a while.
423
00:22:12,691 --> 00:22:14,611
We didn't have DNA back then.
424
00:22:15,492 --> 00:22:17,412
- Between Jill's death,
425
00:22:17,718 --> 00:22:21,918
starting in October,
1977, through 1979,
426
00:22:22,015 --> 00:22:26,805
there were 20 sexual murders
in Los Angeles that occurred.
427
00:22:27,540 --> 00:22:29,130
Los Angeles had
become hunting grounds
428
00:22:29,228 --> 00:22:32,738
for these depraved killers
to spill their demon seed
429
00:22:32,835 --> 00:22:34,845
on these, on our loved ones.
430
00:22:34,945 --> 00:22:38,145
And it was such,
rising to the task,
431
00:22:38,245 --> 00:22:41,135
the Hillside Strangler task
force was brought into place
432
00:22:41,238 --> 00:22:44,818
to help stop the carnage
that was going on.
433
00:22:44,921 --> 00:22:46,841
- They actually called
in Rodney Alcala
434
00:22:47,684 --> 00:22:49,434
because of his background,
435
00:22:49,525 --> 00:22:51,605
and they thought maybe
he was involved somehow
436
00:22:51,712 --> 00:22:54,382
with the Hillside
Strangler cases.
437
00:22:54,475 --> 00:22:57,825
But the downfall or
the problem with that
438
00:22:57,928 --> 00:23:01,698
was there was too many
times when he wasn't there
439
00:23:01,803 --> 00:23:06,123
when the Hillside Strangler
had committed the crimes.
440
00:23:06,216 --> 00:23:09,486
So they knew that he couldn't
be the Hillside Strangler
441
00:23:09,592 --> 00:23:11,222
so they let him go.
442
00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:15,359
- He just was so convincing,
and he had alibis,
443
00:23:15,463 --> 00:23:17,283
and he had explanations,
444
00:23:17,381 --> 00:23:20,661
and it just didn't seem
that he was the guy.
445
00:23:20,757 --> 00:23:24,837
Little did the police know he
was on his own killing spreed,
446
00:23:24,940 --> 00:23:28,100
killing women who they
were not connecting
447
00:23:28,201 --> 00:23:31,551
to the Hillside Strangler,
but yet were in their files.
448
00:23:31,654 --> 00:23:36,454
- Rodney Alcala achieved sexual
gratification multiple times
449
00:23:36,872 --> 00:23:39,842
with almost every one
of these women or girls.
450
00:23:39,942 --> 00:23:41,762
So this is somebody
that is quite literally
451
00:23:41,860 --> 00:23:44,600
getting off on what he's doing.
452
00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:47,290
So when it's done, it's
not one of those things
453
00:23:47,385 --> 00:23:48,125
where he's going back
454
00:23:48,229 --> 00:23:50,739
and feeling any sort
of shame or remorse.
455
00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:52,580
What Rodney Alcala is
doing after one of these
456
00:23:52,604 --> 00:23:55,044
as soon as his
refractory period is done
457
00:23:55,136 --> 00:23:56,836
is he can't wait to do it again.
458
00:24:07,376 --> 00:24:10,606
So Charlotte Lamb
was one of these
459
00:24:10,714 --> 00:24:12,884
sort of legions of
beautiful young women
460
00:24:12,977 --> 00:24:17,747
that migrate to Los Angeles
on a constant steady stream
461
00:24:17,850 --> 00:24:19,090
probably since the 1920s.
462
00:24:19,193 --> 00:24:21,863
She was strikingly beautiful,
463
00:24:21,956 --> 00:24:23,506
and she came from
a very nice family.
464
00:24:23,606 --> 00:24:25,576
A lot of kids from the Midwest,
465
00:24:25,677 --> 00:24:27,147
but she has Midwest
sensibilities,
466
00:24:27,251 --> 00:24:30,531
so she has, she's a
genuinely nice person.
467
00:24:30,627 --> 00:24:31,787
So she moves to Los Angeles.
468
00:24:31,893 --> 00:24:33,063
She's working as a,
469
00:24:33,159 --> 00:24:35,899
what back then would have been
referred to as a secretary.
470
00:24:35,999 --> 00:24:37,629
- She wanted to go out dancing.
471
00:24:37,725 --> 00:24:38,965
She called up some friends.
472
00:24:39,068 --> 00:24:39,808
This is the '70s.
473
00:24:39,912 --> 00:24:41,002
She hit the discos, right?
474
00:24:41,102 --> 00:24:42,843
She wanted to go out
dancing with some friends.
475
00:24:42,867 --> 00:24:43,647
Her friends were like,
476
00:24:43,749 --> 00:24:46,139
"No, eh, I don't
really feel like it."
477
00:24:46,243 --> 00:24:48,603
So I think she probably
went out on her own,
478
00:24:48,699 --> 00:24:52,839
and that's likely how she made
contact with Rodney Alcala.
479
00:24:54,531 --> 00:24:55,811
- She was not seen alive again.
480
00:24:55,912 --> 00:24:57,622
She was found in an
apartment complex
481
00:24:57,715 --> 00:25:01,175
in a city named El Segundo,
which is just south of LAX
482
00:25:01,284 --> 00:25:02,954
She's found in the laundry room.
483
00:25:03,049 --> 00:25:04,139
She'd been strangled.
484
00:25:04,238 --> 00:25:06,748
Her arms were placed
behind her back
485
00:25:06,847 --> 00:25:10,007
to kind of arch her back
and accentuate her breasts.
486
00:25:10,109 --> 00:25:13,079
Her legs were spread
facing the door,
487
00:25:13,178 --> 00:25:14,808
and she had been strangled
488
00:25:14,905 --> 00:25:18,255
with the lace of
one of her shoes.
489
00:25:18,358 --> 00:25:22,998
- Posing a victim like that
is the killer just saying,
490
00:25:24,036 --> 00:25:25,956
"Too bad for everyone.
491
00:25:26,569 --> 00:25:27,619
"I'm omnipotent.
492
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,690
"I can do this," and
it degrades the victim.
493
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:32,799
It's very degrading
for the victim.
494
00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:37,060
No one wants their loved
one to be found like that.
495
00:25:37,159 --> 00:25:39,609
I mean, that's just a nightmare.
496
00:25:40,612 --> 00:25:42,552
- He would quite
often point their arm
497
00:25:42,645 --> 00:25:44,995
at a particular
part of their body.
498
00:25:45,101 --> 00:25:47,151
So he wanted them
to see something.
499
00:25:47,249 --> 00:25:49,109
There was something in his mind
500
00:25:49,206 --> 00:25:51,636
that he wanted them to
look at or to notice
501
00:25:51,739 --> 00:25:54,289
when they first spot the victim.
502
00:25:54,386 --> 00:25:56,046
She'd been
raped repeatedly.
503
00:25:56,151 --> 00:25:57,161
She'd been brutalized,
504
00:25:57,264 --> 00:25:59,224
but she'd been strangled
multiple times.
505
00:26:00,333 --> 00:26:04,453
- His drug of choice
is, was that power.
506
00:26:04,554 --> 00:26:07,294
And he didn't want
to just kill them.
507
00:26:07,393 --> 00:26:10,823
He wanted to bring them back
so that they could look at him
508
00:26:10,923 --> 00:26:15,723
and he's looking at them and
life and death is in his hands.
509
00:26:16,256 --> 00:26:17,766
- It's incredibly sadistic.
510
00:26:17,868 --> 00:26:20,258
It's an incredibly
prolonged, brutal way
511
00:26:20,362 --> 00:26:21,572
for somebody to die.
512
00:26:21,666 --> 00:26:25,596
And he stayed with her for hours
and killed her very slowly.
513
00:26:25,695 --> 00:26:29,615
- The coroner said that
he had hardly seen,
514
00:26:29,724 --> 00:26:33,084
with thousands of autopsies,
only a handful of times
515
00:26:33,177 --> 00:26:36,947
the extent of the damage
from the strangulation
516
00:26:37,052 --> 00:26:38,562
that Charlotte Lamb suffered.
517
00:26:38,664 --> 00:26:42,634
The damage that was done
broke through the bones
518
00:26:42,731 --> 00:26:45,431
and caused severe
internal bleeding.
519
00:26:45,532 --> 00:26:48,042
Those parts of the body
are very resilient,
520
00:26:48,141 --> 00:26:50,111
very hard to break
through them that much.
521
00:26:50,213 --> 00:26:52,953
It took so much force
to break through them,
522
00:26:53,052 --> 00:26:55,872
and she suffered the
hands of the force.
523
00:26:55,968 --> 00:27:00,628
- His lust was never satisfied,
524
00:27:00,726 --> 00:27:05,516
and he kept looking for
that next higher thrill.
525
00:27:14,884 --> 00:27:18,394
- Jill Parenteau was a
21-year-old computer programmer.
526
00:27:18,490 --> 00:27:20,350
She grew up in
Southern California,
527
00:27:20,447 --> 00:27:22,567
and she had a family
who loved her to death.
528
00:27:22,673 --> 00:27:24,803
And one day, she
didn't show up to work.
529
00:27:24,898 --> 00:27:26,908
And just like so many
of these other women,
530
00:27:27,008 --> 00:27:28,478
there was a welfare call.
531
00:27:28,581 --> 00:27:30,476
Somebody called the police
and asked to check on her.
532
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:31,820
And when they went inside,
533
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,120
they found that
she had been posed,
534
00:27:35,219 --> 00:27:37,039
legs spread, facing the door,
535
00:27:37,138 --> 00:27:40,028
a pillow under her back
which was remarkably similar
536
00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:43,710
to the way Charlotte Lamb and
Georgia Wixstead were found.
537
00:27:43,814 --> 00:27:45,564
- The bedding from
her bed was at the,
538
00:27:45,656 --> 00:27:50,236
all crumpled up at the end
with a lamp, light post in it
539
00:27:50,337 --> 00:27:54,687
of a lamp that was focused on
her body that was left there.
540
00:27:54,787 --> 00:27:57,737
That investigation,
like a lot of the others,
541
00:28:00,044 --> 00:28:01,364
really went nowhere.
542
00:28:01,464 --> 00:28:04,784
- I just can't imagine what
goes through someone's head
543
00:28:04,878 --> 00:28:08,688
that can do the things
that he did repeatedly
544
00:28:08,792 --> 00:28:12,342
and get away with a
lot of 'em for so long.
545
00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:17,839
- This is Bill McCreary
in North Tarrytown
546
00:28:17,885 --> 00:28:19,625
with a story about the
discovery of the body
547
00:28:19,727 --> 00:28:23,097
of a millionaire's daughter
missing for the past 11 months.
548
00:28:32,235 --> 00:28:36,045
- It was a wooded area,
very highly wooded area.
549
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:39,119
It was on the grounds of
the old Rockefeller estate,
550
00:28:39,218 --> 00:28:42,108
behind the Phelps
Memorial Hospital.
551
00:28:42,211 --> 00:28:44,111
- Some of the
friends of the girl
552
00:28:44,206 --> 00:28:46,636
who had known the boy that
she had met or the suspect,
553
00:28:46,739 --> 00:28:48,669
and that when they
went with him,
554
00:28:48,772 --> 00:28:50,442
he brought him up to this area
555
00:28:50,537 --> 00:28:52,387
to look at the
sunset in this area.
556
00:28:52,494 --> 00:28:54,414
He loved to watch sunsets.
557
00:28:55,333 --> 00:28:57,423
They went up 24 times
558
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,300
where they eventually found
Ellen Hover's remains.
559
00:29:01,396 --> 00:29:05,626
- We're in a secluded area
up on the estate grounds.
560
00:29:05,731 --> 00:29:08,621
And behind me was where
the old hospital was.
561
00:29:08,724 --> 00:29:12,234
Ellen's body was found
somewhere in this area,
562
00:29:12,331 --> 00:29:16,031
parts of her body spread about.
563
00:29:16,129 --> 00:29:20,929
It was skeletal remains, an
arm or a leg at one point.
564
00:29:21,347 --> 00:29:23,357
And then later on, months later,
565
00:29:23,458 --> 00:29:25,048
other parts of her
body were found
566
00:29:25,146 --> 00:29:28,876
but not the entire
skeletal remains.
567
00:29:28,983 --> 00:29:33,283
Her underwear, bra, and pieces
of clothing were found also.
568
00:29:34,431 --> 00:29:36,351
Alcala had been here before.
569
00:29:36,848 --> 00:29:38,438
He knew the area.
570
00:29:38,537 --> 00:29:40,587
He was coming up here,
using it as a place
571
00:29:40,685 --> 00:29:43,385
to take pictures of young ladies
572
00:29:43,486 --> 00:29:46,686
and then committing all
sorts of atrocities.
573
00:29:46,786 --> 00:29:51,326
She was in a part where
unless you knew to go there,
574
00:29:51,429 --> 00:29:52,629
you would not have gone there.
575
00:29:52,656 --> 00:29:54,816
And if her body hadn't
been discovered,
576
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,050
her remains hadn't been
discovered when they were,
577
00:29:57,145 --> 00:29:58,579
it probably would have
been another year or two
578
00:29:58,603 --> 00:30:03,403
before she was found
because local animals
579
00:30:03,822 --> 00:30:05,682
had gotten to her remains
580
00:30:05,778 --> 00:30:09,038
and had scattered them
about on the estate.
581
00:30:10,152 --> 00:30:12,092
- I remember an ankle bracelet,
582
00:30:12,186 --> 00:30:15,616
like a little beaded ankle
bracelet on her foot,
583
00:30:15,716 --> 00:30:17,036
what was left of a foot.
584
00:30:17,136 --> 00:30:18,916
It was really bits and pieces.
585
00:30:19,016 --> 00:30:22,596
And the clothing
was rotting away,
586
00:30:22,699 --> 00:30:25,859
and there wasn't
a full skeleton.
587
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,010
- Something like that
completely affects your family
588
00:30:28,109 --> 00:30:32,959
in an unforgettable way,
in an irreplaceable way.
589
00:30:33,059 --> 00:30:34,569
- Police say they
do have the identity
590
00:30:34,593 --> 00:30:36,303
of a possible
suspect in this case.
591
00:30:36,397 --> 00:30:38,367
But right now, the
body of Miss Hover
592
00:30:38,469 --> 00:30:40,359
is in the medical
examiner's office up here
593
00:30:40,464 --> 00:30:41,394
where they're
trying to determine
594
00:30:41,461 --> 00:30:43,741
if foul play was
involved in her death.
595
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,890
- They suspected
Alcala being involved.
596
00:30:46,987 --> 00:30:51,087
But again, at that time,
there was no evidence.
597
00:30:52,281 --> 00:30:55,871
- Back then, we didn't have
DNA, and there was nothing
598
00:30:55,965 --> 00:30:58,085
that scientifically
could be done
599
00:30:58,190 --> 00:31:00,390
unless there were
some kind of evidence,
600
00:31:00,492 --> 00:31:03,492
physical evidence left behind
by a perpetrator of the crime.
601
00:31:09,049 --> 00:31:10,449
- I think you have
to be very smart
602
00:31:10,545 --> 00:31:12,205
to commit these many murders
603
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:14,820
and get away with it
for such a long time,
604
00:31:14,919 --> 00:31:18,159
traveling around the
country, different names.
605
00:31:18,257 --> 00:31:22,257
I think he was
intellectually smart,
606
00:31:22,363 --> 00:31:23,993
and I think he was very smart
607
00:31:24,089 --> 00:31:25,949
in the way he dealt with people,
608
00:31:26,046 --> 00:31:30,836
and he was able to convince
little Tali to get into his car.
609
00:31:31,686 --> 00:31:33,926
He was able to get close
to different people.
610
00:31:34,027 --> 00:31:36,377
He was able to convince them
611
00:31:36,482 --> 00:31:39,072
that he was not a threat at all.
612
00:31:39,168 --> 00:31:40,758
- The camera was what he used,
613
00:31:40,856 --> 00:31:42,476
and he was hiding
in plain sight.
614
00:31:42,583 --> 00:31:43,673
He went on The Dating Game.
615
00:31:43,772 --> 00:31:45,902
I mean, how brazen can you get?
616
00:31:45,998 --> 00:31:47,658
Please
welcome Rodney Alcala.
617
00:31:47,763 --> 00:31:50,103
Rod, welcome.
618
00:31:53,326 --> 00:31:54,186
From Hollywood,
619
00:31:54,285 --> 00:31:57,865
the dating capital of the
world, it's The Dating Game!
620
00:31:59,273 --> 00:32:02,173
Here's the star of our show,
and your host, Jim Lange!
621
00:32:02,266 --> 00:32:06,426
- The Dating Game was an
iconic Hollywood show,
622
00:32:06,525 --> 00:32:11,485
and it was part of this
cultural sexual revolution
623
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:12,910
that came out of Hollywood.
624
00:32:13,009 --> 00:32:16,769
It was full of humor
and sexual innuendo.
625
00:32:17,575 --> 00:32:19,655
- I started out as a
contestant coordinator.
626
00:32:19,762 --> 00:32:22,732
So I was in charge of the
people that got contestants,
627
00:32:22,832 --> 00:32:25,342
and so I spent a lot of my
day dealing with that stuff.
628
00:32:25,441 --> 00:32:26,881
- It was a machine.
629
00:32:26,976 --> 00:32:27,676
It really was.
630
00:32:27,781 --> 00:32:31,291
It was a quick, intense ability
631
00:32:31,388 --> 00:32:33,808
to tap into who
these people were,
632
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:39,189
and get, plunge into
their personalities
633
00:32:39,292 --> 00:32:41,002
as quickly as we could.
634
00:32:41,095 --> 00:32:43,135
- When the guys came, it was,
635
00:32:43,244 --> 00:32:45,984
they either had to have a
spectacular sense of humor
636
00:32:46,083 --> 00:32:49,253
and be, have a good
personality, of course,
637
00:32:49,345 --> 00:32:51,835
or they had to be
like really cute.
638
00:32:52,798 --> 00:32:54,578
Next, we welcome
to this very stage
639
00:32:54,678 --> 00:32:56,678
a confirmed bachelor who
believes in life, liberty,
640
00:32:56,711 --> 00:32:58,341
and the happiness of pursuit.
641
00:32:58,438 --> 00:32:59,948
He is an actor, a snorkel buff,
642
00:33:00,050 --> 00:33:02,710
and he's from New York,
New York, Jed Mills.
643
00:33:02,812 --> 00:33:05,782
Jed, good luck to you.
644
00:33:05,882 --> 00:33:07,642
- My brother and I are
hanging out one night,
645
00:33:07,685 --> 00:33:09,325
and I hadn't worked
in a couple of weeks.
646
00:33:09,411 --> 00:33:11,351
And we're at his house
and he turns the TV on
647
00:33:11,445 --> 00:33:13,105
and The Dating Game is on.
648
00:33:13,210 --> 00:33:17,520
And I said, "I will never
do that show."
649
00:33:17,622 --> 00:33:19,982
And James said, "But you're SAG.
650
00:33:20,078 --> 00:33:20,778
"You get paid for it."
651
00:33:20,884 --> 00:33:21,904
Oh.
652
00:33:21,996 --> 00:33:23,116
Oh, let me think about that.
653
00:33:23,148 --> 00:33:25,118
Yeah, okay, I'll do
the show.
654
00:33:25,219 --> 00:33:26,308
And then I get the appointment,
655
00:33:26,332 --> 00:33:28,342
I go there and
they interview you.
656
00:33:28,442 --> 00:33:29,685
They ask you a
bunch of questions.
657
00:33:29,709 --> 00:33:32,829
And the casting person knows me.
658
00:33:32,932 --> 00:33:36,092
So now, I'm cast, okay?
659
00:33:36,193 --> 00:33:40,393
So then the next step is
to show up and do the show,
660
00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:41,540
simple as that.
661
00:33:41,641 --> 00:33:43,231
So I got to the green
room and there's,
662
00:33:43,330 --> 00:33:46,260
it's just myself, Rodney
Alcala, and another gentleman,
663
00:33:46,361 --> 00:33:48,831
a nice guy, a very
kind of a shy guy.
664
00:33:48,931 --> 00:33:51,171
I basically was
talking to this guy
665
00:33:51,272 --> 00:33:54,632
much more than I was Rodney
Alcala 'cause he was weird.
666
00:33:54,725 --> 00:33:57,955
- To me, he was an
extremely attractive man.
667
00:33:58,063 --> 00:34:00,383
He was like part
American Indian.
668
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,690
He had long hair.
669
00:34:01,785 --> 00:34:06,575
He was like just sculpted,
and he was beautiful.
670
00:34:07,502 --> 00:34:08,752
Michael was like,
671
00:34:08,845 --> 00:34:11,545
"There's something wrong
with that guy."
672
00:34:11,646 --> 00:34:14,616
- I just didn't feel I wanted
to put this guy on the show,
673
00:34:14,715 --> 00:34:16,265
and we did argue about it.
674
00:34:16,365 --> 00:34:18,105
And I remember the girls were,
675
00:34:18,207 --> 00:34:19,637
"Oh, you gotta put him on.
676
00:34:19,741 --> 00:34:23,131
"Oh God, he's so gorgeous."
677
00:34:23,233 --> 00:34:26,113
And it was like,
yeah, okay, fine.
678
00:34:28,336 --> 00:34:29,656
I'll put him on the show, okay?
679
00:34:29,756 --> 00:34:30,960
- And there, he was no trouble.
680
00:34:30,984 --> 00:34:32,074
It wasn't any weird thing.
681
00:34:32,173 --> 00:34:34,106
We just called him up and
gave him his appointment.
682
00:34:34,130 --> 00:34:35,600
He came to the studio.
683
00:34:35,703 --> 00:34:38,633
And then he had cut his hair,
and he looked different,
684
00:34:38,734 --> 00:34:41,404
and he acted different, and
he was a little bit creepy
685
00:34:41,497 --> 00:34:43,577
when he came to the studio.
686
00:34:43,684 --> 00:34:46,154
- I basically was
talking to this guy.
687
00:34:46,254 --> 00:34:46,964
He's saying,
688
00:34:47,060 --> 00:34:50,630
"Well, I kind of have a
hard time getting dates.
689
00:34:52,777 --> 00:34:54,327
"I'm not that outgoing."
690
00:34:54,427 --> 00:34:58,847
And Rodney Alcala, this
piece of crap, jumps in,
691
00:34:58,954 --> 00:35:01,164
puts his face right up
to my face and says,
692
00:35:01,257 --> 00:35:04,187
"I always get my girl."
693
00:35:04,288 --> 00:35:08,718
And I put my hand up, and I
push his face away from me,
694
00:35:08,815 --> 00:35:10,441
and I said, "If you come
near me again with that face
695
00:35:10,465 --> 00:35:13,085
"I'll beat the fuck out of
you," something like that.
696
00:35:13,189 --> 00:35:15,509
And he, now he went
to his little corner
697
00:35:15,606 --> 00:35:18,956
and he was mumbling.
698
00:35:19,060 --> 00:35:19,800
That's what he was doing.
699
00:35:19,904 --> 00:35:22,454
- If a man sitting
in a green room
700
00:35:22,551 --> 00:35:25,101
in a television show
studio in Hollywood
701
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:28,049
is creeped out by this guy,
imagine being alone with him
702
00:35:28,153 --> 00:35:31,473
and him completely in charge
of your life and your fate.
703
00:35:31,568 --> 00:35:32,428
- You didn't like him.
704
00:35:32,527 --> 00:35:34,037
I didn't like him at all.
705
00:35:34,139 --> 00:35:36,029
- Everything he said
to me was creepy.
706
00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:39,644
I mean, I really, from what I
first described to the taping,
707
00:35:39,740 --> 00:35:40,944
I couldn't even look at the guy.
708
00:35:40,968 --> 00:35:43,978
- Now, when he got out on
stage, he became alive.
709
00:35:45,572 --> 00:35:46,242
- Well, let's see.
710
00:35:46,340 --> 00:35:48,470
Back to number one who's
a successful photographer
711
00:35:48,565 --> 00:35:50,191
who got his start when
his father found him
712
00:35:50,215 --> 00:35:53,605
in the dark room at the
age of 13 fully developed.
713
00:35:54,512 --> 00:35:57,792
Between takes, he might find
him skydiving or motorcycling.
714
00:35:57,889 --> 00:35:59,549
Please welcome Rodney Alcala.
715
00:35:59,654 --> 00:36:01,574
Rod, Welcome.
716
00:36:02,263 --> 00:36:05,623
- He goes on the show
under his own name.
717
00:36:05,716 --> 00:36:08,026
He's on the, he's wanted.
718
00:36:08,133 --> 00:36:12,223
- He had killed
five people by then.
719
00:36:12,316 --> 00:36:14,226
- Background checks,
720
00:36:15,155 --> 00:36:16,355
no.
721
00:36:16,459 --> 00:36:18,379
Nobody even thought of it.
722
00:36:18,953 --> 00:36:21,083
- It's shocking
that you could kill,
723
00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:24,259
brutally rape, murder,
torture these women
724
00:36:24,363 --> 00:36:27,263
and then show up and be all
smiley face on this show.
725
00:36:27,356 --> 00:36:30,396
It just like, there's
a total disconnect
726
00:36:30,502 --> 00:36:32,172
between the reality
of the actions
727
00:36:32,267 --> 00:36:36,577
and no remorse for
the actions taken,
728
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,040
no accountability,
nothing internal.
729
00:36:39,135 --> 00:36:40,945
- The Dating Game was, in a way,
730
00:36:41,054 --> 00:36:42,344
like an audition for Hollywood.
731
00:36:42,435 --> 00:36:46,245
You were auditioning to
be the cool bachelor guy.
732
00:36:46,349 --> 00:36:48,279
So many of these
shows were like this,
733
00:36:48,382 --> 00:36:50,972
that you put yourself
forward to become a star
734
00:36:51,068 --> 00:36:54,078
even for that one half
hour on weekly television.
735
00:36:54,176 --> 00:36:55,916
And I can imagine
the gratification
736
00:36:56,018 --> 00:36:57,798
that must have given
him to be selected.
737
00:36:57,898 --> 00:36:59,598
- He just felt invincible.
738
00:36:59,701 --> 00:37:01,401
I mean, and why wouldn't you?
739
00:37:01,504 --> 00:37:02,254
Look at his past.
740
00:37:02,348 --> 00:37:03,978
He'd gotten away
with this stuff.
741
00:37:04,075 --> 00:37:06,385
Why would he not
feel invincible?
742
00:37:06,492 --> 00:37:08,622
- Bachelor number one...
743
00:37:08,718 --> 00:37:09,418
Yes.
744
00:37:09,523 --> 00:37:12,093
- What's your best time?
745
00:37:12,977 --> 00:37:15,827
- The best time is
at night, nighttime.
746
00:37:16,698 --> 00:37:17,468
Why
do you say that?
747
00:37:17,542 --> 00:37:19,512
- Because that's the
only time there is.
748
00:37:19,614 --> 00:37:20,284
- The only time?
749
00:37:20,382 --> 00:37:22,282
What's wrong with
morning, afternoon?
750
00:37:22,377 --> 00:37:23,537
- Well, they're okay,
751
00:37:23,643 --> 00:37:25,623
but nighttime is when
it really gets good.
752
00:37:25,715 --> 00:37:27,335
Then you're really ready.
753
00:37:27,442 --> 00:37:31,092
- In light of what we know,
how chilling was that?
754
00:37:31,931 --> 00:37:35,191
- I think it shows
enormous hubris
755
00:37:36,113 --> 00:37:36,883
and probably was enjoying it.
756
00:37:36,957 --> 00:37:39,507
He was probably enjoying
himself quite a bit.
757
00:37:39,605 --> 00:37:42,055
And he was laughing,
I'm sure, at everybody.
758
00:37:42,943 --> 00:37:47,223
- I'm a drama teacher, and I'm
going to audition each of you
759
00:37:47,317 --> 00:37:50,667
for my private class.
760
00:37:50,770 --> 00:37:55,570
Bachelor number one,
you're a dirty old man.
761
00:37:56,448 --> 00:37:57,448
Take it.
762
00:37:57,484 --> 00:38:00,424
Oh, come on,
over here.
763
00:38:04,851 --> 00:38:06,941
Bachelor number two.
764
00:38:07,038 --> 00:38:10,738
What the fuck am I
doing here?
765
00:38:10,837 --> 00:38:12,807
What am I doing here?
766
00:38:12,909 --> 00:38:16,629
- His humor was inappropriate
in a certain sense.
767
00:38:17,628 --> 00:38:21,138
And his delivery, his
delivery of whatever lines
768
00:38:21,235 --> 00:38:25,615
he felt were humorous or gonna
win the girl's heart were,
769
00:38:25,724 --> 00:38:30,694
to me, they were
strangely inappropriate
770
00:38:30,789 --> 00:38:32,379
and weird.
771
00:38:32,477 --> 00:38:36,287
- I'm called the banana,
and I look really good.
772
00:38:38,808 --> 00:38:40,778
- Can you be a little
more descriptive?
773
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:41,880
- Peel me.
774
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,190
- He was so charming.
775
00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:48,210
He was a nice-looking boy.
776
00:38:48,783 --> 00:38:53,173
And he was selected as the
date, the winner of the contest.
777
00:38:53,273 --> 00:38:55,483
Number one,
bachelor number one.
778
00:38:55,575 --> 00:38:57,005
All right.
779
00:38:57,110 --> 00:39:01,910
- He must have thought this
was the absolute pinnacle
780
00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:05,990
of his success of
fooling the world.
781
00:39:06,088 --> 00:39:08,898
He could kill, he could
rape, he could mutilate,
782
00:39:09,004 --> 00:39:13,244
and he could fool
everybody while he did it.
783
00:39:13,340 --> 00:39:15,850
Say hello
to Rodney Alcala.
784
00:39:15,949 --> 00:39:17,809
Rodney, come on and say hello.
785
00:39:19,939 --> 00:39:20,839
Congratulations Rod.
786
00:39:20,937 --> 00:39:25,477
- The girl that picked
him, after the show,
787
00:39:25,579 --> 00:39:29,049
she had a little time
with him or whatever.
788
00:39:29,147 --> 00:39:32,537
And when we got back to
the office the next week,
789
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:36,399
she called me and she said,
"I'm not going on the date."
790
00:39:37,243 --> 00:39:40,333
And I said, "Okay, tell me
why," as if I didn't know.
791
00:39:40,428 --> 00:39:42,478
She said, "He's really
creepy and I'm not going."
792
00:39:42,577 --> 00:39:45,887
And I said, "Absolutely, no
problem, you're not going."
793
00:39:45,991 --> 00:39:49,291
So it was like, there's
definitely a vibe from that guy,
794
00:39:50,289 --> 00:39:52,759
and some people are
just blinded by beauty.
795
00:39:52,859 --> 00:39:56,139
- I think her rejection of him
796
00:39:56,236 --> 00:39:58,856
was probably devastating
to him inside.
797
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,470
Inside, he was probably crushed
798
00:40:01,569 --> 00:40:03,769
by her not going on
an all paid date,
799
00:40:03,871 --> 00:40:04,960
'cause you must be pretty bad
800
00:40:04,984 --> 00:40:07,194
when won't even go on
a date with someone
801
00:40:07,286 --> 00:40:11,476
and it's like that,
televised and all paid for.
802
00:40:11,583 --> 00:40:13,133
It would be embarrassing.
803
00:40:13,233 --> 00:40:15,243
- And again, he's not
gonna stop killing.
804
00:40:15,343 --> 00:40:16,933
Some serial killers stop.
805
00:40:17,032 --> 00:40:19,122
He just, he's not, he
wasn't one of those.
806
00:40:19,219 --> 00:40:21,139
He didn't stop.
59949
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