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- The 13th and 14th of July, 1977 was a,

literally a dark period in New York.

That's when that great blackout happened.

- It was really hot and humid, and the power grid went down.

It was a blackout.

It was insane.

- That summer of '77,

it was definitely a dark time in many ways.

- In the '70s, for someone to disappear

and later be found murdered in New York was not unusual.

- The missing person squad at that time

was inundated with these cases.

We had 2,000 murders in the '70s every year.

- It was a time that serial killers

had a much better opportunity

to do their dirty, horrible deeds.

- Change your name,

go to New York where there's millions of people living,

walking the streets every day and just blend in.

- When you have 2,000 homicides taking place,

how do you know who is the person and the perpetrator.

- Ellen Hover, she was an heiress.

She grew up in Beverly Hills and then went to New York.

On the 15th of July,

Ellen Hover wrote on her calendar, John Berger,

and that was the last day anybody had ever seen her alive.

- Starting with his honorable discharge from the military,

and then later, when he was given parole in California

after just 34 months

for the Tali Shapiro kidnapping and rape,

that allowed him to go free out on the streets.

Then when he was arrested again

for providing marijuana to a minor, went back to prison,

but then released again shortly

and allowed to just roam about the country again

and to disappear.

- He was familiar with New York at the time

from living here prior.

Dating capital of the world, it's easy to make mix in here.

And you have another predator coming back to New York,

living his life.

- The fact that this guy was moving around

without any limitations is disturbing,

knowing that he could have been anywhere

at any time in the United States.

- He's a confidence man in that respect.

His ultimate body count will be dependent upon his ability

to con children, adults, mostly women,

but probably some males somewhere along the line,

into believing that he is whatever he's attempting

to make them believe he is at the moment.

- His approach was always based on his love of photography,

and that would strike up the conversation.

At that time, he was probably very charismatic.

He is reportedly, was reportedly intelligent,

with an elevated IQ,

and probably very self-confident in his abilities.

- He had the charm.

He had the personality that people seemed to like.

He also was a good photographer.

He wouldn't be in NYU taking film school, right?

He had to have had some sort of a,

he knew what he was talking about.

He had equipment, and he had the word.

He could say it in the way that people believed him.

- If you met him for the first time, especially in the '70s,

he had that look.

He had the curly hair, long curly hair.

He had nice bone structure, a nice-looking guy.

And he could approach women with, again, with that camera

as sort of that buffer between the evil person he is

and the innocent victim on the other side.

"Oh, you're beautiful.

"Would you like to be a model?"

Or, "I'm a professional photographer.

"I would just love it if I could take your picture."

And it was a way in.

It was just a way in.

- He looked for every opportunity, day and night,

to fulfill that wish of his

to take the life of these people.

- Ellen Hover was the daughter

of the owner of Ciro's club in LA,

which was a really hot spot for a lot of people to go.

She was also the goddaughter

of Dean Martin and Sammy Davis Jr.

So she was in a well-to-do family, fairly popular.

- Oh my goodness, dancing at Ciro's,

it had every great band.

Artie Shaw, Benny Goodman, Sammy Davis Jr., Dean Martin,

all these people appeared, every Hollywood celebrity

from Tallulah Bankhead, to Betty Davis,

Clark Gable, Humphrey Bogart.

You name 'em, they all went to dance at Ciro's.

- Ellen's father was my uncle, who owned the nightclub.

And his wife, her mother, was a very pretty,

beautiful ex-show girl whom he married.

It was a glamorous place.

I used to go and do my homework there after school.

My mother would pick me up and she'd hang out there

and talk business with her brother,

and I'd sit there as the lights went down.

And Nat king Cole warmed up and rehearsed,

I would sit there.

So it was a very glamorous place.

My memory of her when she was a little girl,

she was just lovely.

She was pretty.

She had long legs like her mother.

She was trusting.

She was sweet.

She loved music.

Music ran in the family.

I didn't get the gene, but other people did.

And she eventually wanted to be, was interested in music,

but also wanted to be a doctor.

Just, she would've been a lovely person to meet,

and she had a good trusting heart.

When she moved to New York, we didn't get in touch

because my father had married her mother.

In an unusual turn of events, both of the couples divorced.

My father had married her mother,

and unfortunately, my loss of Ellen was a part of that.

Ellen went missing

the day after this huge blackout, just vanished.

- Those signs went up, the posters went up

all over on the walls, on the telephone poles, everywhere.

- The disappearance of Ellen Hover got a lot of publicity.

It was in the tabloids.

It was on TV because her parents offered this big reward,

$100,000 for information for helping finding her.

- Her family hired private detectives to try to locate her.

She's not the kind of girl who would just wander off.

I mean, that just wasn't gonna happen.

She was a sweet girl, a nice girl.

Everyone liked her.

There was nothing not to like.

And for her to just disappear was nothing,

no one could make that out.

Something bad had to have happened to her.

They're trying to figure out, who was she last with?

Is there anybody who saw her, knew her?

But this blackout complicated things.

- She had told a girlfriend that she met this guy

who was a photographer at the unemployment office,

so she wasn't working at the time.

On the calendar, she had written on that date, John Berger,

so she was going to have a date with him.

- They really wanted to find this John Berger guy

because he may have been the last person to see her alive.

- There was a resident of her building in Midtown

who let him into the building.

He had her name, said he was looking for her,

and she pointed out the door.

There was a man she was dating

who saw him pick her up or drop her off.

So there were bits and pieces

that led to suspicion against somebody.

- NYPD find out who John Berger is,

and they call Los Angeles.

Well, they get the detective on the case and he says,

"Oh, whoa, okay, wait a minute.

"That's our guy."

- But he wasn't really a New York resident.

He was essentially visiting.

He was living at home with his mother in East Los Angeles.

- The FBI actually went out and interviewed him

and he admitted having met Ellen Hover.

First, he denied it, but then he admitted it

and said they went out,

maybe he took her to a drug store or to a bank.

But the best he could remember,

he dropped her back home and he never saw her again.

- They questioned him.

They wanted to prosecute him.

But the prosecutor said just having that name in her diary,

it wasn't enough.

- They asked if he would take a lie detector.

He refused, and they kind of let it go.

So the reward basically led to nothing.

- The '70s and the '80s especially,

there was this rash of serial killers

that doesn't seem to have been so prominent

before or after to the same degree.

- The '60s and '70s had so many serial killers.

It was a regular thing going on.

A lot of the generation in the '60s were brought up

by parents and fathers who came back from the war,

and they didn't, they weren't affectionate or emotional

with their kids, their boys.

That left an open ground.

So there was a lot of, a big rise in serial killers.

Again, you had everything from Charles Manson,

to the .44 Caliber murderer, the Son of Sam,

the Hillside Strangler, the green,

I mean, it just, it's endless.

You could just go on and on,

and it was going on all over the country.

- Well, the mood in Los Angeles in the '70s

was if I can get away with it, I'm gonna do it.

I can remember handling a murder in an alley

at three a.m. one morning, and as the sun came up,

the corner arrived in his wagon.

I hear the wagon backing in, and then I hear the guy get out

and I hear, "Oh, shit!"

And I said, "What's the matter?"

And the guy says, "I got no room."

Well, he'd already had four bodies in there.

He's just jumping from one scene to the next.

He had four bodies in the back from four previous homicides.

So our guy, we had to,

he was doing this, two top, two below.

We had to split the bottom two

and he shoved the body in between the bottom two.

You go to the coroner's office

and there'd be two or three bodies on a gurney.

I mean, you'd have four or five murders a night.

- We saw this danger almost every week in the headlines

on the television news and in the LA Times,

another murder, another headless corpse.

- When you can be snatched off the street and murdered,

it terrifies everybody.

- It was the downtown Los Angeles Library,

the main library in all of LA,

which is also the scene of several homicides over the years.

Go back actually to 1964 when there were two homicides.

One of 'em was right here on the grounds,

another one was the following night.

A fellow by the name of Vaughn Greenwood,

the Skid Row Slasher, attacked one victim here

and killed 'em, went about three blocks north

and killed again the very next day.

Again, that's way back in 1964.

Right here, December 1st, 1974,

leaning up against this pillar nearly decapitated.

Four years almost to the day on November 9th, 1978,

on this side of the pillar,

we had David Jones lying right here, a Stabber victim.

So we got the one Slasher victim here,

the Skid Row Slasher serial killer.

Over here was the Skid Row Stabber serial killer

four years later.

- Serial killers back then

didn't have to worry about DNA evidence.

They didn't have to worry about

surveillance cameras everywhere.

Unlike today, it was much more free wheeling.

You could get away with a lot of things.

So it was very difficult for investigators

and law enforcement really to know

what was going on in their own city.

- Rodney Alcala was living with his mother

in East Los Angeles at the time.

And he got a new station wagon,

and he began to essentially patrol Southern California.

He had binoculars, and you see this thing,

the windows were tinted before tinted windows was a thing.

So he would cruise Southern California

with his photography equipment, with his binoculars,

with his maps, and he was essentially on the hunt.

He was a human predator.

- Jill Barcomb was an 18-year-old young girl,

just graduated high school,

left a small town in upstate New York with some friends,

kind of went on an adventure.

- She decided in the summer

that she would go with her friends

and they were gonna drive to California.

So they all go to California.

She phoned home, said, "We're here, it's great,

"but I love it so much, I'm gonna stay."

- She was experiencing

some of what Southern California had to offer,

the ocean, Hollywood, different scenery,

and a chance to take a break from New York

and think about where she was going.

November 10th, 1977, Friday night,

I'm at at a high school party with friends.

One of my friends, who was a good friend with Jill,

asked about her at that party.

And I go, "Hey, I just spoke with her

"and she's doing fantastic."

And in fact, I was calling home to say

I'd be staying the night at my friend's,

and that's when they said, "You need to come home."

As I walked in the door of my home, I could hear crying.

My mother came up to me in tears, hugged me,

and then she said, "Your sister, Jill, is dead,"

and that was the shock.

And I sat down in the living room

and just trying to take it in.

The younger kids were crying in the background,

and I was just trying to get a sense of what I just heard

and process that raw emotion.

And it would take till her body being flown out

with the detectives from Los Angeles to meet with my parents

before we would know specifically what had occurred to Jill.

- She was found on a fire road

up in the hills above Hollywood, California,

near where Rodney Alcala kidnapped

and almost murdered Tali Shapiro.

- Her body was found.

She was on her knees with her face in the dirt.

Her, she had no pants on.

Her pant leg was one of three ligatures around her neck,

nylon stockings, the pant legs, and a belt,

three ligatures around her neck.

There were footsteps going backwards from her buttocks area

as if somebody had stood back and taken photographs

after she was murdered, brutally murdered.

- Her injuries included cuts and burns and bruises,

and she had also been bitten and been tortured severely

throughout her whole body too.

It wasn't just like one place.

- The depraved heart of someone to brutally kill

and sexually assault a young 18-year-old girl,

and leave her so exposed, and to take pleasure

out of what he had done,

I can't understand that,

and I can't ask anyone to understand that.

- When the detectives were looking at this case,

the first thought would be, well, Hillside Strangler.

- She fit the description,

as in the type of victim and the MO,

and so that was kind of what they're,

the police were focused on, and she ended up on that list.

So they didn't have the Rodney Alcala initially

on their mind.

- At the time of the Hillside Strangler investigations,

ironically, Rodney Alcala was working

for the Los Angeles Times.

He was working as a typesetter.

- This entire block was the LA Times complex,

and the LA Times has been on this side

at least since the 1920s, '30s.

It's moved incrementally,

but the LA times has been a presence in downtown since 1881.

And in the 1970s, when Rodney Alcala worked here,

it was a thriving business.

There wasn't a lot of competition for advertising

or much for news at that point.

- He's a registered sex offender.

They do no background check on him at all.

And he's just happily working away there,

still hunting, still pursuing victims,

and they have no clue.

- A colleague of mine at the Los Angeles Times

talks about him as a handsome guy, a tall guy

who would come in wearing his green fatigue jacket

and carrying a briefcase.

His hair was back in a ponytail.

This was very hip looking at the time,

and the little glasses that he wore,

almost like a John Lennon glasses.

This was the look that people were looking for.

This was style.

And this guy looks likable.

He's got a degree from UCLA.

Clearly, he's capable,

so maybe you don't ask too many questions.

I don't know.

- Georgia Wixted was a pediatric oncology nurse.

So you talk about contributions to society,

she basically dealt with kids who had cancer,

so she is a force of good.

And she just moved into her first place by herself.

She had a little apartment in Malibu, right on the beach.

And somebody actually asked her, "What are you gonna do

"if the Hillside Strangler shows up your house?"

And she goes, "Oh, I have a whole plan.

"I'm gonna hit him with my hammer."

- One morning, when she failed to pick up a coworker

to go to work, the friend called the police,

and they went into her home and they found her.

She had been raped, bludgeoned,

strangled, brutally murdered.

- They found her room in complete disarray, her apartment,

and her body was laying on the floor, completely naked.

She had been brutally sexually assaulted,

and her legs were spread wide open

facing the front door.

- She had not only the normal torture marks

that that Rodney Alcala did,

like the burns and the bites and the cuts,

she also had like a claw, a scraping in her head

that would look like she had been clawed.

So it was even more severe than the previous murders.

- He beat her to death

with the hammer that was found next to her.

So we've always wondered,

did she try to defend herself with the hammer?

Did she hear something?

- Both Jill Barcomb and Georgia Wixted's family

were unable to have an open casket funerals

because of how extensive

the damage was done to their skulls.

For Georgia Wixted, it was both ends of the claw hammer,

the flat and the claw end to her skull,

and it was ripped apart.

And for Jill Barcomb, it was with a giant rock

just breaking into the skull and the bones repeatedly

to the point where she was unrecognizable

by her own brother.

- I had night terrors and hence post trauma.

And in my sleep, I'm waking up in tears

and Jill is coming to me with a damaged face

telling me she's okay and trying to, again,

console me and give me peace.

And that's who she was to me.

- Not all serial killers torture,

but his biggest thrill for him was the torture

because he spent time with his victims.

It took a little time to strangle them

and bring them back to consciousness.

So that, in my book, that ups the ante.

They're all evil, but if you have to assign a degree to it,

I think he's with the people at the very top.

- He preyed on women and young girls.

Well, we had three or four other serial killers

doing the same thing at the same time.

So it was hard to pick who's doing what,

and we really didn't know for a while.

We didn't have DNA back then.

- Between Jill's death,

starting in October, 1977, through 1979,

there were 20 sexual murders in Los Angeles that occurred.

Los Angeles had become hunting grounds

for these depraved killers to spill their demon seed

on these, on our loved ones.

And it was such, rising to the task,

the Hillside Strangler task force was brought into place

to help stop the carnage that was going on.

- They actually called in Rodney Alcala

because of his background,

and they thought maybe he was involved somehow

with the Hillside Strangler cases.

But the downfall or the problem with that

was there was too many times when he wasn't there

when the Hillside Strangler had committed the crimes.

So they knew that he couldn't be the Hillside Strangler

so they let him go.

- He just was so convincing, and he had alibis,

and he had explanations,

and it just didn't seem that he was the guy.

Little did the police know he was on his own killing spreed,

killing women who they were not connecting

to the Hillside Strangler, but yet were in their files.

- Rodney Alcala achieved sexual gratification multiple times

with almost every one of these women or girls.

So this is somebody that is quite literally

getting off on what he's doing.

So when it's done, it's not one of those things

where he's going back

and feeling any sort of shame or remorse.

What Rodney Alcala is doing after one of these

as soon as his refractory period is done

is he can't wait to do it again.

So Charlotte Lamb was one of these

sort of legions of beautiful young women

that migrate to Los Angeles on a constant steady stream

probably since the 1920s.

She was strikingly beautiful,

and she came from a very nice family.

A lot of kids from the Midwest,

but she has Midwest sensibilities,

so she has, she's a genuinely nice person.

So she moves to Los Angeles.

She's working as a,

what back then would have been referred to as a secretary.

- She wanted to go out dancing.

She called up some friends.

This is the '70s.

She hit the discos, right?

She wanted to go out dancing with some friends.

Her friends were like,

"No, eh, I don't really feel like it."

So I think she probably went out on her own,

and that's likely how she made contact with Rodney Alcala.

- She was not seen alive again.

She was found in an apartment complex

in a city named El Segundo, which is just south of LAX

She's found in the laundry room.

She'd been strangled.

Her arms were placed behind her back

to kind of arch her back and accentuate her breasts.

Her legs were spread facing the door,

and she had been strangled

with the lace of one of her shoes.

- Posing a victim like that is the killer just saying,

"Too bad for everyone.

"I'm omnipotent.

"I can do this," and it degrades the victim.

It's very degrading for the victim.

No one wants their loved one to be found like that.

I mean, that's just a nightmare.

- He would quite often point their arm

at a particular part of their body.

So he wanted them to see something.

There was something in his mind

that he wanted them to look at or to notice

when they first spot the victim.

She'd been raped repeatedly.

She'd been brutalized,

but she'd been strangled multiple times.

- His drug of choice is, was that power.

And he didn't want to just kill them.

He wanted to bring them back so that they could look at him

and he's looking at them and life and death is in his hands.

- It's incredibly sadistic.

It's an incredibly prolonged, brutal way

for somebody to die.

And he stayed with her for hours and killed her very slowly.

- The coroner said that he had hardly seen,

with thousands of autopsies, only a handful of times

the extent of the damage from the strangulation

that Charlotte Lamb suffered.

The damage that was done broke through the bones

and caused severe internal bleeding.

Those parts of the body are very resilient,

very hard to break through them that much.

It took so much force to break through them,

and she suffered the hands of the force.

- His lust was never satisfied,

and he kept looking for that next higher thrill.

- Jill Parenteau was a 21-year-old computer programmer.

She grew up in Southern California,

and she had a family who loved her to death.

And one day, she didn't show up to work.

And just like so many of these other women,

there was a welfare call.

Somebody called the police and asked to check on her.

And when they went inside,

they found that she had been posed,

legs spread, facing the door,

a pillow under her back which was remarkably similar

to the way Charlotte Lamb and Georgia Wixstead were found.

- The bedding from her bed was at the,

all crumpled up at the end with a lamp, light post in it

of a lamp that was focused on her body that was left there.

That investigation, like a lot of the others,

really went nowhere.

- I just can't imagine what goes through someone's head

that can do the things that he did repeatedly

and get away with a lot of 'em for so long.

- This is Bill McCreary in North Tarrytown

with a story about the discovery of the body

of a millionaire's daughter missing for the past 11 months.

- It was a wooded area, very highly wooded area.

It was on the grounds of the old Rockefeller estate,

behind the Phelps Memorial Hospital.

- Some of the friends of the girl

who had known the boy that she had met or the suspect,

and that when they went with him,

he brought him up to this area

to look at the sunset in this area.

He loved to watch sunsets.

They went up 24 times

where they eventually found Ellen Hover's remains.

- We're in a secluded area up on the estate grounds.

And behind me was where the old hospital was.

Ellen's body was found somewhere in this area,

parts of her body spread about.

It was skeletal remains, an arm or a leg at one point.

And then later on, months later,

other parts of her body were found

but not the entire skeletal remains.

Her underwear, bra, and pieces of clothing were found also.

Alcala had been here before.

He knew the area.

He was coming up here, using it as a place

to take pictures of young ladies

and then committing all sorts of atrocities.

She was in a part where unless you knew to go there,

you would not have gone there.

And if her body hadn't been discovered,

her remains hadn't been discovered when they were,

it probably would have been another year or two

before she was found because local animals

had gotten to her remains

and had scattered them about on the estate.

- I remember an ankle bracelet,

like a little beaded ankle bracelet on her foot,

what was left of a foot.

It was really bits and pieces.

And the clothing was rotting away,

and there wasn't a full skeleton.

- Something like that completely affects your family

in an unforgettable way, in an irreplaceable way.

- Police say they do have the identity

of a possible suspect in this case.

But right now, the body of Miss Hover

is in the medical examiner's office up here

where they're trying to determine

if foul play was involved in her death.

- They suspected Alcala being involved.

But again, at that time, there was no evidence.

- Back then, we didn't have DNA, and there was nothing

that scientifically could be done

unless there were some kind of evidence,

physical evidence left behind by a perpetrator of the crime.

- I think you have to be very smart

to commit these many murders

and get away with it for such a long time,

traveling around the country, different names.

I think he was intellectually smart,

and I think he was very smart

in the way he dealt with people,

and he was able to convince little Tali to get into his car.

He was able to get close to different people.

He was able to convince them

that he was not a threat at all.

- The camera was what he used,

and he was hiding in plain sight.

He went on The Dating Game.

I mean, how brazen can you get?

Please welcome Rodney Alcala.

Rod, welcome.

From Hollywood,

the dating capital of the world, it's The Dating Game!

Here's the star of our show, and your host, Jim Lange!

- The Dating Game was an iconic Hollywood show,

and it was part of this cultural sexual revolution

that came out of Hollywood.

It was full of humor and sexual innuendo.

- I started out as a contestant coordinator.

So I was in charge of the people that got contestants,

and so I spent a lot of my day dealing with that stuff.

- It was a machine.

It really was.

It was a quick, intense ability

to tap into who these people were,

and get, plunge into their personalities

as quickly as we could.

- When the guys came, it was,

they either had to have a spectacular sense of humor

and be, have a good personality, of course,

or they had to be like really cute.

Next, we welcome to this very stage

a confirmed bachelor who believes in life, liberty,

and the happiness of pursuit.

He is an actor, a snorkel buff,

and he's from New York, New York, Jed Mills.

Jed, good luck to you.

- My brother and I are hanging out one night,

and I hadn't worked in a couple of weeks.

And we're at his house and he turns the TV on

and The Dating Game is on.

And I said, "I will never do that show."

And James said, "But you're SAG.

"You get paid for it."

Oh.

Oh, let me think about that.

Yeah, okay, I'll do the show.

And then I get the appointment,

I go there and they interview you.

They ask you a bunch of questions.

And the casting person knows me.

So now, I'm cast, okay?

So then the next step is to show up and do the show,

simple as that.

So I got to the green room and there's,

it's just myself, Rodney Alcala, and another gentleman,

a nice guy, a very kind of a shy guy.

I basically was talking to this guy

much more than I was Rodney Alcala 'cause he was weird.

- To me, he was an extremely attractive man.

He was like part American Indian.

He had long hair.

He was like just sculpted, and he was beautiful.

Michael was like,

"There's something wrong with that guy."

- I just didn't feel I wanted to put this guy on the show,

and we did argue about it.

And I remember the girls were,

"Oh, you gotta put him on.

"Oh God, he's so gorgeous."

And it was like, yeah, okay, fine.

I'll put him on the show, okay?

- And there, he was no trouble.

It wasn't any weird thing.

We just called him up and gave him his appointment.

He came to the studio.

And then he had cut his hair, and he looked different,

and he acted different, and he was a little bit creepy

when he came to the studio.

- I basically was talking to this guy.

He's saying,

"Well, I kind of have a hard time getting dates.

"I'm not that outgoing."

And Rodney Alcala, this piece of crap, jumps in,

puts his face right up to my face and says,

"I always get my girl."

And I put my hand up, and I push his face away from me,

and I said, "If you come near me again with that face

"I'll beat the fuck out of you," something like that.

And he, now he went to his little corner

and he was mumbling.

That's what he was doing.

- If a man sitting in a green room

in a television show studio in Hollywood

is creeped out by this guy, imagine being alone with him

and him completely in charge of your life and your fate.

- You didn't like him.

I didn't like him at all.

- Everything he said to me was creepy.

I mean, I really, from what I first described to the taping,

I couldn't even look at the guy.

- Now, when he got out on stage, he became alive.

- Well, let's see.

Back to number one who's a successful photographer

who got his start when his father found him

in the dark room at the age of 13 fully developed.

Between takes, he might find him skydiving or motorcycling.

Please welcome Rodney Alcala.

Rod, Welcome.

- He goes on the show under his own name.

He's on the, he's wanted.

- He had killed five people by then.

- Background checks,

no.

Nobody even thought of it.

- It's shocking that you could kill,

brutally rape, murder, torture these women

and then show up and be all smiley face on this show.

It just like, there's a total disconnect

between the reality of the actions

and no remorse for the actions taken,

no accountability, nothing internal.

- The Dating Game was, in a way,

like an audition for Hollywood.

You were auditioning to be the cool bachelor guy.

So many of these shows were like this,

that you put yourself forward to become a star

even for that one half hour on weekly television.

And I can imagine the gratification

that must have given him to be selected.

- He just felt invincible.

I mean, and why wouldn't you?

Look at his past.

He'd gotten away with this stuff.

Why would he not feel invincible?

- Bachelor number one...

Yes.

- What's your best time?

- The best time is at night, nighttime.

Why do you say that?

- Because that's the only time there is.

- The only time?

What's wrong with morning, afternoon?

- Well, they're okay,

but nighttime is when it really gets good.

Then you're really ready.

- In light of what we know, how chilling was that?

- I think it shows enormous hubris

and probably was enjoying it.

He was probably enjoying himself quite a bit.

And he was laughing, I'm sure, at everybody.

- I'm a drama teacher, and I'm going to audition each of you

for my private class.

Bachelor number one, you're a dirty old man.

Take it.

Oh, come on, over here.

Bachelor number two.

What the fuck am I doing here?

What am I doing here?

- His humor was inappropriate in a certain sense.

And his delivery, his delivery of whatever lines

he felt were humorous or gonna win the girl's heart were,

to me, they were strangely inappropriate

and weird.

- I'm called the banana, and I look really good.

- Can you be a little more descriptive?

- Peel me.

- He was so charming.

He was a nice-looking boy.

And he was selected as the date, the winner of the contest.

Number one, bachelor number one.

All right.

- He must have thought this was the absolute pinnacle

of his success of fooling the world.

He could kill, he could rape, he could mutilate,

and he could fool everybody while he did it.

Say hello to Rodney Alcala.

Rodney, come on and say hello.

Congratulations Rod.

- The girl that picked him, after the show,

she had a little time with him or whatever.

And when we got back to the office the next week,

she called me and she said, "I'm not going on the date."

And I said, "Okay, tell me why," as if I didn't know.

She said, "He's really creepy and I'm not going."

And I said, "Absolutely, no problem, you're not going."

So it was like, there's definitely a vibe from that guy,

and some people are just blinded by beauty.

- I think her rejection of him

was probably devastating to him inside.

Inside, he was probably crushed

by her not going on an all paid date,

'cause you must be pretty bad

when won't even go on a date with someone

and it's like that, televised and all paid for.

It would be embarrassing.

- And again, he's not gonna stop killing.

Some serial killers stop.

He just, he's not, he wasn't one of those.

He didn't stop.