Original subtitles

-Once Jeffrey Epstein moved to Palm Beach,

Ghislaine Maxwell was essentially working for him.

-I would say Ghislaine was under Jeffrey's spell

and was willing to do anything for him.

-Hello? -This is Detective Joe Recarey

with Palm Beach Police.

-Palm Beach police, when they did the search warrant,

found evidence that they had a serial pedophile on their hands,

but the feds did nothing!

They did nothing!

-Would you please give us your name?

-Jeffrey Epstein.

-He's arrested, he's charged,

but he gets this sweetheart deal.

-The guilty plea and deal-ending process

that could have sent Epstein to jail for 15 years.

-And he got 18 months because they -- pardon my French --

didn't give a shit about the victims.

-The deal they made was the dumbest deal in history.

-He's able to have work-release privileges

and leave his jail cell.

-He negotiated, also,

essentially immunity for Ghislaine Maxwell.

-Why? Why would that happen?

-I believe it was a blackmail operation.

I mean, what else would it be?

These people get away with everything.

-The FBI didn't want to know what Ghislaine Maxwell knew.

This was a cover-up.

-The state's happy. They have a conviction.

Epstein got this sweetheart deal.

Everybody's happy.

They believed this thing was gonna go away.

That's, I think, what Epstein and Maxwell were counting on.

-Convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein

made a sneaky getaway from jail this morning.

-Typically when released, the former inmates are able

to walk free across this bridge to a parking lot below.

But not Epstein.

He was able to exit from an area below,

an area where a vehicle was waiting for him,

we're told, for his security and privacy.

-Jeffrey's just happy that this is over,

and he's ready to move on to the next portion of his life.

-Jeffrey and Ghislaine moved back to New York

after he got out of Palm Beach County.

In Florida, he had to register as a sex offender.

But they reentered social circles in New York as if --

as if nothing had happened.

-After he was convicted and it was in the press,

he was not shunned by a certain set of people in New York.

These are people who are sophisticated in the media,

who live on the news.

How could they not have known?

-In my opinion, because of everything I've seen,

wealthy people always get away with everything.

And money makes up for all wrongs in New York society.

-If one of my best friends went to jail,

I wouldn't just cut them off, like, right away.

I would want to, like, find out what happened.

And, you know, a lot of these things,

you can't really believe media and all of this.

Like, it's hard to know who to believe.

But during that time, I would see her solo.

She wouldn't really mention him and what happened.

-New Yorkers don't care about your background or your scandal.

If you've got money, and you've got influence,

that's all they care about.

It's who you are in this minute, now.

-Epstein and Ghislaine both engaged

in reputational laundering.

And what they do is they tried to recast themselves

as philanthropists.

-Tell everybody how much you love the ocean,

love your planet for generations to come.

So how does it -- does it all look --

Does my hair look good, do I...?

-She was really ramping up her presence across the country

in terms of attending social events.

-She was very engaging and charming.

She had this incredible vocabulary

and she could speak many languages.

So, she could just jump in at a party

and start talking to anyone.

-And she really began focusing on cultivating the Clintons.

-I was at a dinner and Bill Clinton was there

and a lot of other influential names.

You know, she was very pally with Bill Clinton.

Ghislaine and Bill just looked, like,

very at ease with each other.

-They were all in the same orbit.

And Ghislaine is in her element.

This is exactly what she's used to --

private jets and presidents.

They go back a long way, you know.

She went to Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

-There was still money coming in from Jeffery.

But at the same time,

Ghislaine was trying to legitimize herself.

She was trying to move herself away

from the Jeffery Epstein world.

And this was going to be her way out.

-Today, we have Ghislaine,

and, Ghislaine, tell me about your new project.

-So, the TerraMar Project is a new ocean initiative.

-It was then that Ghislaine began this TerraMar nonprofit.

-It's an ocean-based, uh... digital platform to...

which I'm going to be talking to you about.

And so the job of the TerraMar Project

is to create a global ocean community.

I created a pledge,

and the pledge is that you love the ocean.

It's called the "I Love the Ocean" pledge.

It's relatively easy to sign.

You go in, you say, "I love the ocean.

I will spread my love of the ocean

with my family and friends."

And when you say, yes, you love the ocean,

you receive a digital passport.

You then get a passport that makes you

a joint citizen of land and sea

and you become, uh --

You get a TerraMar passport.

-So we not only will have our own citizenship

and passport for our country,

but we will actually have our own flag

and a passport for the ocean.

-Yes, and we also have a daily newspaper.

It's called "The Daily Catch."

-TerraMar also has, um, is a global --

is a, uh, online platform to give information to everybody.

And this way you have all the, uh, Internet...

-TerraMar was mostly a website.

-If you were to look up the website,

you have the option to buy up parts of the ocean through her.

-Obviously I'm not selling the ocean.

It's only a digital representation,

but you get to buy a piece of the ocean on here, you get to...

-She would bring in interns,

and they would accompany Ghislaine to go

and speak at schools and universities

and in front of the UN.

-Um, a sustainable development goal at the UN

is, I think, a fantastic thing.

The United Nations is absolutely the right place to lead this.

Thank you.

-When Ghislaine invited me over to her house,

the thing she most wanted to talk about

and that she was very eloquent about

was saving the world's oceans.

And I had never heard her talk about that stuff ever before.

And I figured, "I guess she moved on from Epstein.

He's not part of her life anymore."

-Who, uh, who loves the ocean in this room?

Can you please raise your hands if you do?

-When I would see her,

she would be talking about TerraMar.

I think being involved with a charity

was definitely a way to, like, detract

from, like, the negative press that was surrounding Jeffrey

and rebranding herself.

-TerraMar gave Ghislaine the vehicle to appear

on this international stage,

which is what she was cultivating at the time.

She was being seen with just about everybody.

She was being photographed with everybody,

and she was looking into romances with other individuals.

-Ghislaine was in Reykjavik at the Arctic Circle Assembly.

It was a conference where invited members

were there to meet, mingle,

and to present their findings on various topics.

And that's where she met Scott Borgerson.

-Well, good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for coming

to this afternoon's meeting.

-Scott Borgerson is a tech entrepreneur.

He founded a company called CargoMetrics.

-We've been building a patented system

to bring big data to shipping.

-When I first met Scott,

he struck me as one of those startup people.

You know, they're very eager, they're always selling you.

-The TerraMar operation put her in contact

with a whole new crowd of people,

including Scott Borgerson.

-Arctic Nations are actually working in a concerned way.

-Borgerson was very connected to the Trump administration,

who had been in the Coast Guard

and had started his own global logistics company.

-I do think that both of them were opportunists.

I can't imagine a better union, really.

They can help each other.

-He was married at that point,

but eventually she hooked up with him.

Everything is going along just great.

She's got this little ocean-saving philanthropy.

She's giving a TED talk.

She's succeeding,

until Virginia Giuffre drops a bomb into it.

-And the next day,

Ghislaine tells me I did a really good job.

She pats me on the back

and said, "You made him really happy."

-Virginia Roberts alleges that she was kept as a sex slave

for three years by Jeffrey Epstein.

-Ms. Roberts opted to go public,

giving an interview to a British tabloid.

-In 2015, Virginia Roberts Giuffre

decided to sell her story to "The Daily Mail."

"The Daily Mail" publishes this exposé

that said, for the first time,

that Virginia was trafficked to other men

besides Jeffery,

including Prince Andrew.

-British newspapers have published this picture

of Roberts with the prince when she was just 17.

"The Daily Mail" has got 10 questions here

that it believes the palace should be answering.

And the first one is, "How did this picture come to be taken?"

-Ghislaine tells me that I have to do

for Andrew what I do for Jeffrey,

and that made me sick.

I just didn't expect it

from someone that people look up to

and admire, you know, in the royal family.

-Virginia Roberts filed legal papers in Florida,

claiming that she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew

on several occasions.

-It's also mentioning somebody I haven't heard about for years,

daughter of Robert Maxwell.

I think it's, um, Ghislaine Maxwell.

-At that point, Ghislaine Maxwell,

for the first time, enters the public domain

as a participant

in this Jeffery Epstein sex-trafficking operation.

-When the story started coming out,

I was really shocked,

and people that have known her, like, since university,

they're, like, "Wow.

We never saw that side in her."

I still find some of it hard to believe,

that this person in the newspaper

is actually someone that we knew...

...or thought we knew.

-Can I ask you

about all the allegations that have come out, Ghislaine?

Obviously they're very damning, involving British royalty.

-Ghislaine was no longer associated with Epstein

in a public way.

But we know they were in contact

when "The Daily Mail" article came out,

when he e-mails her and says, "You've done nothing wrong.

Go forward with your head high."

So, she gets her public-relations team,

writes a press release denying all...

...and calling Virginia a liar.

-Ghislaine, do you have anything to say about the allegations?

Have you spoken to Prince Andrew?

-Happy New Year. -Happy New Year.

Have you spoken to Prince Andrew?

-I've made a statement, thank you.

-Virginia then gets herself lawyered up,

and they bring a defamation suit against Ghislaine Maxwell.

-During the deposition, she is slamming her hand on the table.

She's knocking things over.

She doesn't want to have anything to do with this.

She views all of this, you know, as an inconvenience.

-I think it's nonsense that in the deposition,

she's acting as if she's such a rather prim,

prudish woman who really wouldn't go to such depravity.

It seems completely fantastical to me.

I think it's a complete, um, fabrication

of who she really is.

-Virginia Giuffre's defamation case

against Ghislaine Maxwell was settled in June of 2017.

And at that point,

she sells this $15 million townhouse

that Jeffrey had bought her

and she starts to retreat from New York society.

-Virginia's exposé definitely would have rattled her.

I think that would have rattled, like, anybody

that gets exposed like that.

-Her last really big appearance is out in Europe

doing this Cash & Rocket charity car drive

to raise money for poor women

while flaunting you know, high-end, luxury goods.

-The days have been long but very, very fun.

-She was photographed with other socialites,

and that was the last time you really saw her in public.

-Reporters at the "Miami Herald"

have dug into a long-dormant story,

and what they found about Jeffrey Epstein

could blow the whole sordid tale wide open once again.

-Nothing else would've happened to Epstein except for a reporter

at the "Miami Herald" named Julie K. Brown

did an in-depth investigation about the Epstein case

and the sweetheart deal.

-It was alleged that he had molested all these girls.

You know, dozens, if not hundreds, of girls,

and I thought "Where are these girls now?

And what do they think about this deal?"

And I started from that vantage point.

-The "Miami Herald" collected dozens

of corroborating witnesses

stating the same things that Virginia was alleging.

-The Feds were embarrassed by the "Miami Herald" story

and forced to take some action.

-Jeffrey Epstein was arrested in a covert operation

as he landed on a flight from France.

-Authorities seen here raiding his home in Manhattan.

-Agents hauling out boxes of the financier's belongings.

-Today we announce the unsealing of sex-trafficking charges

against Jeffrey Epstein.

-They basically just dusted off the same indictment

that was prepared in 2007 in Florida

and was shelved, after Acosta made this deal.

-While the charged conduct is from a number of years ago,

it is still profoundly important to the many alleged victims.

-So they basically just took the old indictment

and filed it in Manhattan.

-Jeffrey Epstein will be in court tomorrow

to face new charges

of sex crimes involving underage girls.

-Shortly after Jeffrey's arrest,

I became completely transfixed by this story.

This was a guy I had known, not very well,

but I had known Ghislaine and been very, very fond of her.

But this is another dimension of Ghislaine

that I was totally unaware of

and was deeply sickened and horrified by.

-All of his homes had video equipment.

And the FBI reportedly found troves

of pictures of underage girls,

so the federal government has, in its possession,

a large amount of video and photographic evidence

that would be devastating to Epstein's co-conspirators.

-And it seemed that, inevitably at some point,

Ghislaine was going to be implicated.

-Why do you think he's received the treatment he has?

-That's the question I still want to know.

-Hopefully, the judge will do the right thing here

and make sure that he doesn't get out.

-After Jeffrey Epstein's arrest in 2019,

everyone wondered whether he was gonna go to trial or not.

-His attorneys are arguing that this feels like double jeopardy,

because years ago, Epstein struck a deal

with federal prosecutors in Florida over similar crimes,

granting him immunity after he pleaded guilty

to a lesser charge.

But prosecutors are now saying that was only for Florida,

not for New York.

-I went to a party in Saint-Tropez

of a famous British property developer.

And suddenly, I saw Ghislaine.

And went up to her and introduced myself.

She seemed in many ways not only unemotional,

but also detached from life all together.

She seemed lost.

-TerraMar was closed down

right after Jeffrey Epstein's arrest in 2019

and people started to wonder whether Ghislaine Maxwell

was going to be apprehended and put on trial herself.

But then there's this bombshell.

-Breaking news out of New York --

convicted pedophile and accused sex trafficker

Jeffrey Epstein is dead.

-Epstein had been on suicide watch but was taken off

shortly before his death.

-The U.S. Attorney's Office

was getting ready to prosecute this guy,

and all of a sudden, he ends up dead in their custody.

-The government alleges he committed suicide

by hanging himself...

with bed sheets that he had tied into knots.

-He had told people that he was suicidal.

He was left alone in his cell with his sheets,

and he was given the opportunity to commit suicide.

-The suicide theory is the one

that the government has gone with.

But immediately after he was found dead,

the media began questioning the circumstances.

-The conspiracy theories are flying

because the whole story doesn't make any sense.

-If he has all these secrets on people,

you could see, "Okay, there's a motivation

for some wealthy person to hire a hit man,

to go in and somehow murder him in prison."

-I do believe he was killed

by people that didn't want to be exposed.

-I think there's a huge amount of conspiracy

about how Epstein died

and whether it was suicide or whether it was foul play

just as there has been about Robert Maxwell

for many, many years.

-In the Atlantic ocean, a death and a mystery.

Robert Maxwell disappeared from his yacht.

-There are many parallels

between Robert Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.

Did Maxwell jump off the back of the boat

in the Canary Islands or was he murdered?

Did Epstein hang himself in a New York prison

or was he murdered?

It's actually quite creepy,

the similarities between them both.

And there's something very sinister about both stories.

-If you're Ghislaine Maxwell and all of a sudden,

Jeffrey Epstein dies,

that would put the fear of God into you.

-Some people might think

that she was in fear of her life now,

that maybe she believes Epstein was murdered.

-She felt, I think, that her Teflon Don

essentially would get away again,

that he would sneak away and he would somehow cut a deal

and not have any concerns.

-My only conclusion was that, "Wow, she has to be afraid

because she's, like, the next in line of succession.

It's all sort of shifted to her."

-Maxwell had to disappear after Epstein died,

not just because Epstein died,

but because the Virginia Giuffre defamation case documents

had been released and now it was public.

And that's when this whole scheme

started to come unraveled.

It's talking about unbelievably sordid

and large-scale sex trafficking.

And her name was now associated with it.

It also put front and center Prince Andrew, again.

-Virginia Roberts says she met you in 2001,

and she went on to have sex with you in a house

in Belgravia belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell.

-Didn't happen.

-She was very specific about that night.

She described dancing with you...

-No. -...and you profusely sweating,

and that she went on to have...

-There's a slight problem with the sweating,

because I-I have a peculiar medical condition

which is that I don't sweat

or I didn't sweat at the time and that was...

Actually, yes, I didn't sweat at the time because I...

-He gives this atrocious interview

where he falls on his face

and embarrasses himself, embarrasses the crown.

-Are you saying that you don't believe her?

She's lying?

-That's a very difficult thing to, um, answer because...

-The BBC interview, yeah, that was a real mistake.

-Do you regret the whole friendship with Epstein?

Now? Still not.

-The entire country watched it,

literally with our jaws on the floor.

-Do I regret the fact

that -- that he has quite obviously conducted himself

in a manner unbecoming? Yes.

-Unbecoming? He was a sex offender.

-Yes. I'm sorry. I'm being polite.

He was a sex offender.

-I think it would have probably been wiser

to have just not said anything.

-But I-I --

-Yeah.

-But remember that it was his girlfriend

that was the key element in this.

-It just so happened that Ghislaine

was very good friends with Prince Andrew,

but as far as Virginia, I have no idea what happened.

-The world has now seen the photo

that Virginia Roberts provided, taken by Epstein,

we understand, in Ghislaine Maxwell's house.

-I don't remember that photograph ever being taken.

-Your arm was around her waist. -Yes.

-You've seen the photograph? -I've seen the photograph.

-How do you explain that? -I can't.

The -- the photograph is taken upstairs.

And I don't think I ever went upstairs.

-You're sure of that?

-Yeah, because the -- because the dining room

and everything was on -- was on the ground floor.

-Prince Andrew's fall from grace

is the most seismic thing to rock the house of Windsor

in the last century, I would say.

And it was Ghislaine

who introduced Prince Andrew to Epstein.

-His girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, your old friend,

was, victims say, complicit in his behavior.

-Um...if there are questions that Ghislaine has to answer,

that's her problem.

I'm afraid I'm not in a position

to be able to comment one way or the other.

-Her relationship with Prince Andrew

has always fascinated and intrigued me.

If she has concrete proof of Prince Andrew's sexual activity

with underage girls,

it could spark a devastating litigation for Prince Andrew.

-Prince Andrew should be panicking.

The rich and the mighty can fall, too.

-There's no question in my mind that powerful people,

such as Prince Andrew, are nervous about what evidence

Ghislaine Maxwell could potentially produce.

More so than anybody else,

certainly Prince Andrew is an individual

that Ghislaine has his number.

-The mystery is growing on the whereabouts

of the British socialite

who allegedly helped Epstein recruit young girls.

-Where in the world is Ghislaine Maxwell?

-She has tremendous resources and access all over the world.

-Once Jeffrey was dead, Ghislaine Maxwell disappears.

She disappears off all radar.

-Reporters all over the country tried to find her.

That added to a little bit of her mystique.

-Where is Ghislaine Maxwell?

-Nobody knows where Maxwell is.

-When I was asked, "Would they ever find her?"

I joked, I was like,

"She's probably in a submarine somewhere."

-The world's media has not found this woman yet.

I suppose she's just disappeared off the face of the Earth.

And she's key to all of this.

-If you're Ghislaine Maxwell,

I think her reaction was a logical one.

"Oh, my God, he's dead? I have to protect myself."

-You know, evidence hasn't really emerged of, like,

what exactly did the NYPD pick up

when they raided his house?

Was there blackmail tapes there?

If it's bona fide stuff, it's possible fortunes would be lost.

It would be really disastrous.

-I think Jeffrey Epstein was a sexual deviant

going after young girls

and if a couple of powerful men got caught up in the snare,

well, jackpot.

-When you walked into the New York mansion,

to Palm Beach, everything was being filmed.

The government officials, the politicians, the royalty,

you know, they were taping everybody.

-Do you think people knew they were being taped?

-No. -No.

-I do not, not at all.

-Maybe Ghislaine Maxwell knows

where all those photographs and tapes and videos are.

-So the $64,000 question here is, "Where are the tapes?"

-If they contain what we think they do,

to say that they would be explosive

would be the understatement of the day.

-The dominant Epstein conspiracy theory

is that he was videotaping

all these high-profile people as blackmail,

and the other side of that theory is maybe

he was doing this on behalf of the CIA or intelligence agency.

He got recruited to spy for them.

That's sort of the theory that ties it all together,

in terms of the videotaping

and mysterious sort of high-profile connections,

in terms of his ridiculous treatment

by law enforcement in Palm Beach.

And it does a pretty neat and tidy job.

-Those videos could be used as blackmail,

as compromising material on foreign dignitaries,

on people in power.

I have no doubt someone would have been interested

in that kind of information.

-I obviously have no idea what transpired

with Epstein's video-surveillance cameras,

but on Maxwell's side,

there's her father, Robert Maxwell,

who's for sure involved with intelligence,

probably both KGB and Mossad.

-The Mossad -- the Israeli Intelligence Agency.

-Will he ask the Prime Minister to order an immediate inquiry

into the alleged relationship

between the Israeli Intelligence Service and Robert Maxwell?

-The allegations about Maxwell's first connections with Israel

were first made in a book by Seymour Hersh.

-The man had an awful lot of information

about an awful lot of things and did an awful lot

that we don't know very much about.

-One of the main sources of that book, Ari Ben-Menashe,

a former Israeli Intelligence Officer,

claimed that Maxwell had played a major role

in smuggling arms for Israel.

-Robert Maxwell was working for Israeli intelligence.

He was an operative for -- for, uh, quite a long, long time.

He was a senior operative, as a matter of fact.

I was working with him.

I was sort of supervising what he was doing for us.

-One of the things that I learned early on at the CIA,

and this is certainly consistent

in other intelligence, uh, organizations,

is that they're often multi-generational.

You want people in the same family

because they know that you're loyal.

Let's just say, for the sake of argument,

that this was the Israelis that were involved

and Ghislaine Maxwell's father

already had a relationship with the Israeli services.

Ghislaine was important and well-connected

and working at a higher level of society

than most anybody else.

So I don't think it's at all a leap in logic

to think she's continuing to do daddy's work.

-Epstein started working with Israeli Intelligence as well,

selling or giving or collecting secrets,

however you want to put it, yes.

That's right.

They were, uh, collecting secrets for the Israelis.

-It would be impossible for me to know the details

of any sort of, like, government conspiracy,

but there's enough there that I don't think --

I think something is going on.

-This is such a bigger animal than anyone knows

and Ghislaine Maxwell has the answers.

Until she talks, we may never know.

-We've been discretely keeping tabs on Maxwell's whereabouts

as we work this investigation.

And more recently, we learned she had slithered away

to a gorgeous property in New Hampshire,

continuing to live a life of privilege,

while her victims live with the trauma

inflicted upon them years ago.

-On July 2, 2020, Ghislaine's days of hiding are about to end.

-The FBI took Maxwell into custody

at this home in New Hampshire.

-Maxwell had been carefully attempting to avoid detection

using a fake name for mail and deliveries.

-Ghislaine Maxwell bought a house in Bradford,

New Hampshire, where the Feds make a dramatic arrest.

-FBI agents broke through her door

as she tried to "flee to another room."

-Inside the home, agents say they found a cell phone

wrapped in tin foil on top of the desk,

"a seemingly misguided effort to evade detection."

-In the case of Ghislaine Maxwell's arrest,

I don't think that 25 officers going in was over the top.

This was an individual that needed to be treated that way.

-When you capture someone like Ghislaine Maxwell,

I don't besmirch the U.S. government

from taking a victory lap.

To be able to come back one year later

and say, "We've got the co-conspirator,"

they wanted a little good press, as well they should.

Take her down and embarrass the hell out of her.

That's what she deserves.

-It later turned out that she was living there

with Scott Borgerson.

-I never knew that Scott had any relationship

with Ghislaine Maxwell.

And I was like, "Wait, what?"

-Today, after many years, Ghislaine Maxwell

finally stands charged for her role in these crimes.

-This afternoon, a federal magistrate in New Hampshire

ordered Maxwell into the custody

of the U.S. marshal service to be taken to New York.

-Maxwell is charged with six federal counts

of sex trafficking, conspiracy to sex trafficking, and perjury.

Usually you hear about this kind of sex trafficking

involving men,

but according to the girls' allegations,

she played the role of solicitor and groomer.

-By charging her with multiple different counts,

it gives the U.S. Attorney's Office the ability

to put all of the evidence out there

and let the jury pick and choose

from which they wanted to convict her of.

-Ghislaine Maxwell, today,

pleaded not guilty to sex-trafficking charges.

-Wealthy and powerful people feel that they are immune

to prosecution and part of the thrill

is the excitement of getting away with stuff

that other people just simply cannot

because you're just so convinced of how fantastically bright

and connected and powerful you are.

But that dazzling charm and wit that captivated me

and so many people

is unlikely to be of much use to her in a federal prison.

-Maxwell's jail -- It's been described as a hellhole by some.

How would you describe it?

-It is a tough place.

-MDC Brooklyn is a notoriously terrible prison,

and it's a holding facility.

It's a very, very difficult life in there.

It's a place that has repeatedly come up in the courts

because of the cruel treatment that takes place there.

-Maybe Ghislaine's in prison,

but we haven't seen any proof of that.

Forgive me after this giant "conspiracy theory" I've lived,

that I don't believe anything.

So, mm, I want proof. I'd like to see her.

I mean, she may very well be in Trump Tower.

-At the bail hearing on July 14, 2020, Marcus Cohen,

one of Maxwell's attorneys, told the court at one point,

"She's not the monster that's been portrayed

by the media and the government."

"Ghislaine Maxwell is not Jeffery Epstein."

Her lawyers asked the judge to release Maxwell

into home confinement on a $5 million bond.

-Then, in December 2020,

Scott Borgerson offers to pay $28.5 million in bail

to get Ghislaine Maxwell out of jail in time for Christmas.

-Regardless of any amount of bail,

whether it's $30 million, $10 million, $100 million,

if the person is appearing to pay their way

to get out of jail

so that they can flee and avoid prosecution,

the judge denies that type of bail.

-"The risks are simply too great."

The words of the judge refusing bail this evening

to Ghislaine Maxwell.

She'll spend the next year in jail.

-And because she's viewed as a suicide risk,

the lights are kept on 24 hours a day.

-The game plan on Ghislaine Maxwell,

for the government, is keeping her alive.

That's why she is under 24/7 watch.

They can't have another Jeffery Epstein.

They can't have another person hanging from a noose

in a jail cell.

Now, what is her game?

Her game is somehow seeing light,

somehow getting through this.

-If she ultimately cracks under the pressure

and decides that she's going to give up information,

there are going to be a lot of people around the globe

in very powerful positions that are gonna be very concerned

about what she knows and what she's gonna say.

-Of course, she's in danger. Look what happened to Jeffrey.

I think she's obviously a huge target

because she knows way too much

on a lot of government, heads of state.

-If, in fact, there were forces behind Epstein's death,

she has got to be concerned that the same fate

may befall her at the end of the day.

-Suspected child sex offender Ghislaine Maxwell

is withering as she sits in jail awaiting trial.

Her lawyer made that statement as part of a new bid

to relax the conditions of Maxwell's detention.

Her lawyer says Maxwell is suffering emotional abuse.

-Ghislaine Maxwell's trial is set for 2021.

-She's lost 20 pounds, she's losing her hair,

she can't concentrate, she has a flashlight shone in her cell

every 15 minutes during the night

so she has no, uh, sleep, uh, of any real quality.

That is torture.

Why is Ghislaine Maxwell being treated differently?

She is a patsy for Epstein, is the answer,

whom they lost on their watch

and they're taking it out on my sister.

-Friends of mine, who were very, very, very close to Ghislaine,

wanted to impart to me

that they felt she was a victim in this,

that Ghislaine had maybe been naive.

She was in love with this guy.

She had no idea how deeply depraved he was,

and Ghislaine was as much a victim of this as the girls.

-I just can't handle the fact that this woman

is pretending she's a victim.

I can't handle the fact that all these people come forward

and pretend to be victims when the victims were children

and young girls, young, vulnerable women.

-I absolutely believe that the defense will claim

that Ghislaine Maxwell, uh, was a victim.

She was under the influence

of this very powerful, very wealthy man.

He had a hold over her psychologically.

And that he abused her as much as he abused those girls.

-I have no doubt that they're gonna try to use

the non-prosecution agreement to defend Maxwell.

But the non-prosecution agreement covered the charges

and women in Palm Beach.

The charges that have been brought

in the Southern District of New York

are separate and distinct.

-There are accusations these young women are making

that they were paid to also be with some big names.

Could she help to bring those names down

for a more lenient sentence?

-That is the million-dollar question.

-If I was the lawyer, my defense would be cooperation,

so that I can get a reduced sentence and have assurity

that I would be able to live some of my life outside of jail.

-10 years as opposed to 35 certainly allows her

to see light at the end of the tunnel.

I think it's possible

that Ghislaine is gonna give up something.

-If it goes to trial, the tapes are gonna have to come out.

And I-I think that too many important people

don't want that to happen.

So, I think the Justice Department

will offer Ghislaine Maxwell

something that she can live with.

It won't be 30 years. Maybe it'll be 10 years...

or 15 years, which is hellacious,

but it won't be in a maximum-security prison.

She's a woman,

and she'll go to a low-security prison.

-I suppose when you really think about it with hindsight,

is there any huge surprise

that Ghislaine has ended up where she is?

The brutal answer would have to be no.

Because the society girl that I knew at Oxford,

who, as I say, never exuded any warmth,

who had this cold, calculating, rather brittle manner,

she had these strange traits of character

which we all know came from Robert Maxwell.

-How are you both?

Just give him the message, please,

and stop giving us a hard time.

-I think one of the reasons

that Ghislaine Maxwell is such a compelling character

is that she's both a victim and a possible conspirator.

And so you can never let her off the hook.

-Have you spoken to Prince Andrew?

-I made a statement, thank you.

-But you also have to bear in mind the history of that family.

You know, having that man as a father.

I don't think any of the kids

have ever fully escaped his shadow.

So she's a complex person for that reason.

-I'm just really interested to hear what her version is.

There's always two sides to a story.

You know, really, how bad was it?

-She's never shown any remorse.

-I think it's disgraceful,

and these people are gonna burn in hell.

-I like to hope that we'll see justice

in the case against Ghislaine Maxwell.

When you look at the victims of cases like this,

these lives are ruined.

-I think this is a story about money and how money works.

And I think this is how rich people get treated

in legal systems around the world.

-These are the wealthiest people in the world,

and they have the most power.

There's only one way they don't get away with everything,

and that's if they're killed.

So, um, either she gets away with everything

or she gets killed.

-And I think that's been the pattern.

The victims are told, "Oh, now the truth

is gonna come out, because now, um, you know,

Epstein is gonna be prosecuted in federal court."

And, of course, we know how that ended.

-It would have been great to look at him in court and say,

"You know, you hurt me.

You took away my innocence. You took away my youth."

But he took that away from us, too.

-I want answers

because I think we all deserve that.

And I think the girls deserve that.

-I would like to see Ghislaine stay in jail forever.

I'd like her to apologize for what she's done to me

and so many others.

-It's so hard for people who haven't experienced

these really, really powerful people to understand

that we anticipate disappointment.

We anticipate being hurt.

We anticipate being manipulated.

We anticipate being lied to.

I haven't seen anyone held accountable.