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DRUM BEATS # Dear love, dear love

# Let me tell you how I feel

# You have given me so much pleasure

# I love you so

# Dear love, dear love

# Let me tell you how I feel

# You have given me so much pleasure

# I love you so. #

SHE SIGHS

We've been very purposefully manipulated,

very intentionally and purposefully manipulated for thousands of years.

This isn't something new.

The question is - who's keeping us down?

Q helped us figure that out a little bit.

Q said, "Start here and go wherever it leads you."

What if everything that we've been taught is wrong?

What we're living right now is going to be known

for the rest of our history as the time of awakening.

What have you awakened to?

It's about the great awakening.

INDISTINCT SHOUTING SIRENS WAIL

We live in a time where, for some, truth no longer exists.

We are fighting evil!

CROWD SHOUTS IN AGREEMENT

We are fighting cult members!

Conspiracy theories, fake news, claims of rigged elections,

and unmitigated use of social media

mean no-one has any idea what to believe any more.

How they persuaded billions around the world

to believe in their plan.

You were trying to...

In every corner of the world, people are protesting.

They've attacked US democracy,

they've battled on the streets of Britain,

they're fighting back - but what exactly are they fighting?

You're inciting violence.

Good lad, good lad.

I'm about to enter a world

where I, as the mainstream media, am the enemy

and where the people I meet believe I'm an agent of dark forces

who run the world and abuse children.

# You're liars, you're liars You're liars, you are. #

My mission is to unmask the figures

taking conspiracy to the heart of our political system

and to meet the digital soldiers

fighting for a supposed government insider

called Q.

I'm in Elyria, Ohio,

on my way to meet two of Q's most ardent followers

who plan to take their country back.

Welcome to the digital soldiers house!

Ha-ha-ha.

Dave Roberts and Amanda Quimper.

You're filming us for your documentary too?

I'm filming you because you're mainstream media.

I got to make sure I get you.

I do understand, to a degree.

You know, I think people don't really trust the media these days.

That's why we're reluctant to talk to you guys sometimes.

How important is Q to what you're doing?

I think he laid the groundwork.

He made the exposures.

He opened the eyes of the people.

Whoever Q is believes in God and trying to fight

so that God does win in the end.

And all these paedophilias and all these trafficking rings

and all this structure in the government, all this evilness,

that's something that the cabal has worked for centuries

to keep us all asleep,

and they've done a very successful job of it.

What is the cabal? How would you describe it?

The cabal, in my opinion, is the organised elitists,

the 1% of the 1%,

which includes the Vatican and the monarchies.

People today are just now beginning to wake up.

I mean, they're just now beginning to realise something's wrong

and Q instigated that.

We would never be anywhere near where we are today

if it wasn't for Q.

So, some of what I'm about to tell you may be hard to believe,

but it's changed the course of politics around the world.

In October 2017,

a figure called Q Clearance Patriot appeared on the website 4Chan.

They claimed to be a government insider.

Q started spreading wild conspiracies -

satanic paedophiles ruled the world,

Trump was the saviour against the evil cabal -

and people believed it.

With every share, it became more mainstream.

It soon became the conspiracy of everything.

Over the next four years, it spread to millions across the globe.

Followers shared, kidnapped, killed, shared some more,

and attacked the US Capitol,

all in the name of Q.

But then none of it came true.

The cabal was never exposed,

Trump lost the 2020 election

and Q stopped posting forever on December 8, 2020.

Millions of manipulated and radicalised people

around the world were left without a leader,

so who's filling that void now?

PHONE LINE RINGS OUT

Hello? Hey, is that Pastor Mark?

Who's speaking? It's Benjamin Zand.

Oh, yes, yes. How are you doing? I'm good, how are you?

Q's followers are still meeting up at events across the US,

with or without Trump in the White House.

Mainstream journalists are usually banned

and even forcibly removed from these events

but I'd managed to get in.

I'll text you the flights, 17th and the 18th,

and I'll make sure you get some credentials,

so you've got to come out for that, OK?

Pastor Mark Burns was a speaker at an event in California

and he was keen for me to cover his upcoming political campaign.

Hello.

Right, we've actually made it in officially.

How are y'all doing? Good, sir, how are you?

Good. Thank y'all so much.

Hey, sir, how are you? God bless you.

Blessings to you, man. Thank you so much.

I love that. Thank you. God bless y'all. How you doing? Hi.

Hello, how are y'all doing?

We don't.

God bless y'all.

This was a real who's who in the world of alternate truths,

figures like discredited anti-vaccine doctor Andrew Wakefield

were in attendance.

You are never going to have another fair election

if we don't expose and fight what happened in 2020.

Roger Stone.

I knew you had to be close.

I've got to figure out what I'm going to say.

I'm about to walk around here, man. All right.

Love you, man. All right, thanks.

You must fight. The way to fight the information...

Thousands of people had made the trip to see their heroes

and to uncover the next secret

the mainstream media didn't want them to know.

How did you find yourself in the world of Q, selling Q tops?

Well, I got into Q through my family.

My dad and my brother followed Q, um, but...

My brother is into a lot of spirituality stuff,

you know, and so is Q.

There was a real sense of community here.

Amidst the claims of a cabal, a planned pandemic

and Trump being the true president,

there was a home for people to be heard and to be their real selves.

There was also a real feeling of anger.

APPLAUSE

This is a full-blown world war that we are in

right at this very moment, ladies and gentlemen.

This is America,

this is an American thing, so fight with me.

CHEERING

We're in a time of warfare.

This is no longer a conspiracy theory,

it's a conspiracy.

CHEERING

One of the biggest names at these events is this guy

Michael Flynn.

He's a former three-star general

and was a national-security adviser to Donald Trump.

Q itself regularly defended Flynn

so many followers see him as a potential leader.

CHANTING: Fight like Flynn! Fight like Flynn! Fight like Flynn!

We are going to take this country back.

CHEERING

I'm driving to meet a man called Dustin Nemos.

Dustin is, like, one of the earliest adopters of Q.

He's quite a big name in the Q-verse.

He even literally wrote the book on Q.

Hello.

Are we thinking here? Um...

I was just looking around. I don't know what works for you guys.

This is beautiful. Ah, yeah, that's interesting, isn't it?

Disciples like Dustin made their money and fame

interpreting the religion of Q.

But Q's disappearance created a power vacuum,

so what happens now?

Are you still a follower of Q?

You know, half the world is following it so...

Forbes had it quoted, and this is an old number,

that over 56% of the Republican party

had, in some level, agreement with Q.

Do you believe in the idea

that there is a satanic cabal raping kids?

I think that there are powerful people

who openly identify with Satanism.

I don't think that they get together in the White House every Tuesday

and, like, order, you know, $20,000 worth of pizza to be flown in 2am...

Wait, Obama did that, but, you know, most of the time they don't do that.

When Dustin mentions pizza here, he actually means children.

It's a well-known code word

from the debunked Pizzagate conspiracy of 2016

that alleged top Democrats were paedophiles.

I believe Obama is a child molester. You think he abuses kids?

I believe that he does.

I don't believe those are even his kids.

I mean, his wife is not a woman.

You think his wife's a man?

Anybody got any shots of Michelle Obama pregnant?

Love to see it. You also believe that she's a man?

It's not about belief, I do facts.

The reality of the world is much different

than you've been told on fake news.

You think the reality of the world is that Michelle Obama has a penis

and Barack Obama is abusing kids in the White House?

That is more believable than Joe Biden won the 2020 election.

You find it not odd that we don't have shots of the first family?

I do believe that,

based on multiple videos... So why spread it?

But you need, like, evidence

that's kind of substantive beyond a video.

I believe we can make a very good case,

including people who are biological experts

who can weigh the Adam's apple,

measure the shoulders and all of that,

that Michelle Obama is a man. A transgender woman?

His wife is better hung than I am.

And I've seen it on YouTube, multiple videos.

Cos that's definitely on the wilder side.

I'll ask one final question.

The future of Q is now the influencers like yourself?

We're gonna take the country back.

We're getting people elected into office.

The fake news - or, forgive me, the media - are...

You know, they're already writing a lot of articles about that,

nervous about the QAnon people running for office.

Um, many of them are barely connected.

I can't wait till I run for Congress

cos they're really gonna lombast me.

Are you gonna run?

Probably. Yeah, probably. When d'you think that'll be?

Er, next couple of months, maybe.

Oh, right, for the midterms next year?

Yeah, 2022.

Dustin's views about Michelle Obama

are completely ridiculous and untrue,

but it's a clear example of how in the world of Q

it's more important to pick a side

than to seek truth.

The question I had, though,

was whether Dustin could really make it in the world of politics.

Another alleged Q supporter,

Marjorie Taylor Greene,

had done exactly that in 2020.

America's the greatest country in the world.

She was elected to Congress in Georgia

and is one of Conservative America's

most prominent figures.

Q is a patriot.

We know that for sure.

But we do not know who Q is.

She's since distanced herself from the Q movement.

But all this made me think of someone I'd seen in California

with Pastor Mark.

Saw your parents out there.

I knew you had to be close. PASTOR MARK CHUCKLES

That right there is Roger Stone,

one of the most important political figures in the US

over the last 30 years.

This is a guy who helped get presidents -

from Richard Nixon to Donald Trump - in office.

He's often called the kingmaker of Republican presidents.

Here he is with Donald Trump,

who pardoned him in 2020

after Stone was convicted of obstructing an investigation

that would have harmed the President.

And now here he was at a conference

attended by thousands of Q supporters.

Was this a clear sign of the next stage of the Q movement -

cementing itself at the top of global politics?

Ladies and gentlemen,

I am living proof that God can do anything.

APPLAUSE WHOOPING

Yes, Ma'am?

We need a leader right now.

It should be Michael Flynn.

Some of you will have an opportunity

to see General Flynn when he comes to speak.

You should tell him exactly what Caroline said.

I think he is a man of destiny,

I think he is a man of courage.

So I do think that he is potentially the leader for this movement.

Pastor Mark. There you go, hello! How you doing?

VOICEOVER: To try and find out just what Roger's plan is,

I asked Pastor Mark to arrange an interview.

PASTOR MARK: Here's THE one...

..and only Roger...Stone. Stone! CHUCKLING

My brother. Aw, man!

Oh, man. Hey, you're losing weight.

Isn't this the dream team right here?

Good to see you, Roger. How are you, my brother?

You're looking good. Wow, to God be the glory.

We're just gonna go and do an interview with Roger Stone.

And right next door to us, where we've parked,

there are two cars with QAnon memorabilia.

This is the unconditional pardon

given to me by President Trump

when he concluded that I did not get a fair trial

and I was indicted on politically motivated charges. Look at this.

Is this The Avengers?

You're trying to fight crime for America. THEY LAUGH

You've sorted out...

Come on, Captain America!

We're gonna do an interview to make sure... Captain America! THEY LAUGH

This is where I rip open my shirt and go... Here you go. THEY LAUGH

I'd like to see your initial reaction to the question of

what are your feelings on QAnon?

CHUCKLING I guess what I would say is

I don't know if it's real, but I sure hope it is.

If that person wakes up and starts watching alternative media

and isn't getting all their news from CNN,

if that person gets registered and votes,

then I think we've accomplished something.

I'm pretty sure that there's some truth to some of those things.

Donald Trump should have won the election. Yes.

I believe without question

there was some form of tampering that took place.

You could argue that the Q movement

is actually so beneficial to people like yourself, you know?

It's a movement that says Donald Trump is the saviour,

it's a movement that...

Michael Flynn is a messiah. Well, what you correctly say...

Here's what I know.

I love the First Amendment. Yeah.

I love people's right to say whatever they think is true

and try to defend their position. Yeah.

We do have a historical record here.

We were told Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction,

but that was a lie.

So let's not pretend that everything

the government tells us is true.

Frankly, we've got a clean house in the Republican party.

Trump has taken us from being the party of the country club

to being the party of working people.

If Trump doesn't run again,

I notice that Michael Flynn attends a lot of these events.

Do you think he is a potential candidate for presidency?

I want to make it very clear, I'm for Donald Trump.

So in the event that he does not run,

I would certainly look to General Flynn

as one who might be drafted.

All right, gentlemen, good to see you all.

Can we just get some verbal consent from you?

Er, yes, you can use all that stuff -

even though you're obsessed with Q.

THEY LAUGH

These guys are kind of the who's who at events like this

that are attended by a huge amount of QAnon supporters.

Roger Stone is a bit of a hero in these circles.

They're all very good friends with Michael Flynn.

The FBI has labelled Q and its supporters a domestic terror threat,

but here was Roger Stone seemingly embracing the movement

and using it for political gain.

CHEERING CAR HORNS BEEP

The more I looked, the more I found

political candidates were making the assessment

that if they wanted to win a seat,

Q's conspiracy and misinformation were the way to do it.

I stand with President Trump.

I stand with Q and the team.

Everything that I've heard of Q...

..I hope that this is real.

Reporting suggests almost 50 congressional candidates

have embraced Q in their bids for election in 2022.

CHEERING And that doesn't include those running for Senate.

One thing these candidates have in common

is that the vast majority are Republicans,

they're deeply religious and deeply Conservative.

Most are scared of the mainstream media,

but I found one who is eager for me to join her campaign.

My name is Kimberly Lowe.

I'm running for Congress in the fifth congressional district,

which is right here.

We are at war right now.

We have had a planned pandemic

to destroy this country,

to destroy our businesses,

to pull us out of church...

..to depopulate and to steal an American election.

Please support me.

Thank you, guys. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Kimberly's kids don't go to mainstream school,

as she's worried they'll be indoctrinated.

COW MOOS Come on!

She also questions whether Covid is real.

And inevitably,

the topic of the coronavirus vaccine came up between us.

I've had two vaccines.

Oh, right! I'm so sorry. KIMBERLY LAUGHS

Do things stick to you like you see on TV?

What, like magnets? Have you tried that?

Shall we try it? If it sticks to me...

OK, so it has to go to your forehead.

Is it sticking?

I don't think so, I think you're good. It's not sticking.

LAUGHING: I think you're OK!

Is that...? So what...?

Does that change your opinion on...?

No, not at all. Why?

I would never get that vaccine.

It all comes down to trust, doesn't it?

It comes down to trust in higher bodies

and I think ultimately the issue is that you don't trust the government.

Correct.

In her run for Congress,

Kimberly believes she has a helping hand from Q itself.

GUNSHOT ECHOES

One day I got a phone call

from Q followers types of individuals

and they told me that

I needed to stay on the path I'm on

and that I was being protected and I just had to continue on

because I was going to be part of whatever, you know,

future was to come here in America,

regarding politics, etc.

Trump wanted to stop this trafficking.

He had an entire anti-trafficking team

that he put in the White House.

They're pulling people and children out of tunnels.

I know one woman who was trafficked

who grew up in a tunnel system

somewhere in the Midwest.

She says that there's tunnels.

Has she provided proof?

I haven't asked for it, so how do I know? Why not?

That's why I'm here. How do I know?

Is there anything that could disprove that for you?

Probably not.

Believing in these...

What some people call conspiracies or alternative truths,

you know, it does have actual consequences.

If you are saying those things without adequate evidence,

there is a responsibility on you.

What is dangerous is media dividing a country.

The election was stolen.

I fully believe that. I just can't roll stuff off my mouth. I need to learn it...

But just because you believe it, doesn't make it true.

But it doesn't make me dangerous.

But the truth is, no matter how hard it was for Kimberly to accept,

the conspiracies of Q

are pushing people further and further to the edge.

Some far enough they're willing to kill.

REPORTER: Sheriff's Deputy say 33-year-old Neely Petrie-Blanchard

shot and killed Christopher Hallett on Sunday.

Q's followers are told

that an elitist cabal are raping children,

rigging elections and depopulating the Earth.

And when you believe all that,

just how far are you willing to go to save the world?

REPORTER: Sheriff's Deputy say 33-year-old Neely Petrie-Blanchard

shot and killed Christopher Hallett on Sunday.

Since the rise of Q,

around 100 people have committed crimes in its name,

ranging from kidnapping to weapon offenses to murder.

WOMAN ON PHONE: Are you in a pretty nice neighbourhood?

Yeah.

Well, then maybe you're here.

Hi. Hello, is this the right house?

Yes. This is the right house! Aw, amazing.

Get back, Rosie! And you're dirty on top of it.

You need a bath.

She's a cute dog you got. She's a cute dog...

Straight legs!

Hold!

Neely Petrie-Blanchard was a normal mother from Kentucky,

until she lost custody of her daughter, McKenzie.

From that moment on,

she fell down the rabbit hole.

Ever since she lost McKenzie,

she's struggled.

She was on the computer

all day long,

looking at this stuff. It was...

Every day she thought QAnon was...President Trump.

She spent hours a day

trying to figure out who Q actually was.

Was Q, then, this...

..way to get her kid back?

Mm-hmm. Yes. Was that what it was? Was that her main focus?

Yeah, that was her main focus. She somehow fell into this...

They were all involved in Satanic worshipping... Yeah.

She believed there was a city

under New York city that kept kids.

Through the community of Q,

Neely discovered Christopher Hallett.

He claimed to be a legal expert who knew Trump personally

and promised to reunite her with her child.

For a time, Neely thought Hallett may even have been Q.

NEELY ON LAPTOP: People have been

persecuted in family courts

all over this nation...

..for a very long time.

"Sleepers everywhere.

"Think coats.

"Wheels in motion. Q."

I mean, does that make sense to you?

Like, it doesn't...

It doesn't make sense to me.

Looks like they haven't posted on here since December 8th 2020,

so I guess, erm,

I don't know if they've changed the website

or where they're, you know, posting their stuff now.

Q has not posted since December 8th.

Really?

He just disappeared?

It's just disappeared, yeah. It.

Wow.

That's a shock to me.

That's kind of...

SAVANNAH EXHALES I don't know how I feel about that.

Kind of like it was all for nothing, I guess.

Wow.

QUIETLY: Sorry.

She put so much

and dedicated so much of her time

to this for so long.

Would it have been easier if the whole conspiracy was real

cos then at least Neely would have done it for something?

Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

Um...

You know, she fully believed that

she was doing it to protect all these children and...

But there wasn't really anything that we could do.

How do you help someone that is so far in it?

I mean, I think that's our biggest regret,

was feeling like we kind of...

..pushed her away

and did that push her more into Q

and these conspiracies

because she didn't have anybody else?

BOTH: Double that.

Double, double this. Ooh!

THEY LAUGH That. OK.

The story ended when the onslaught of conspiracies

made Neely paranoid.

She stopped trusting Christopher Hallett.

She became convinced he was plotting against her,

so she shot him dead.

REPORTER: 33-year-old Neely Petrie-Blanchard

shot and killed Christopher Hallett on Sunday.

Blanchard is awaiting expedition back to Marion County.

Neely's now awaiting trial

and can only talk to her family

from Marion County Jail in Florida.

Hey! KIDS: Hi!

Let me turn the volume up.

NEELY: I love you, girls!

Mommy misses you!

Miss you too.

Guess what, Mom!

We fed the bunnies, gave them a salad and they loved them.

Aw! I love your bunnies.

Yeah, y'all sing that.

KIDS: # We are the fireflies

# We like to fly around. Bling-bling

# With our yellow band and ugly bling-bling, gone, bye. #

Isn't that so cute?

I love you.

KIDS: Love you! Bye!

Can you do the other half?

Huggies! Hugs.

So how do you feel after talking to your mama?

Er...

How do you feel? Weird.

Weird? OK.

Why do you feel weird?

Because, like, we're talking to her on a phone.

Not, like, in person.

What do you know about why she's there?

Um, because... Yes.

I know. I know why.

Oh, you know why?

She made a bad choice, didn't she?

Mm-hmm.

Can't let our emotions get out of hand.

Did you ever think it could get to this point?

That she'd be in prison off the back of shooting a man?

Never...

..in 1 million years would we have imagined

that we would be in this situation. You know?

CHUCKLING: Don't cry.

Yeah, and then it all hits. Uh-huh. Um...

The girls, you know,

I wonder how it's gonna affect their lives.

It worries me.

Now they all possibly could lose their mother forever.

To this day,

Neely still believes Q and Donald Trump will save her.

Her story makes me wonder

just how much trauma plays a part

in people's descent down the rabbit hole.

After losing her children and struggling with her life,

Q and conspiracy offered Neely comfort.

It gave her a way out.

All right, we're convening this meeting.

It's July 1st 2021.

I feared for Amanda and Dave,

the two ardent Q followers I'd met earlier.

They seem like good people.

They were convinced that

they had to defeat the evil of the world.

Can we get a photo before the storm?

VOICEOVER: But at what cost?

How have your family reacted to the Q?

My kids don't wanna...

You know, they don't wanna talk to me, they don't call me.

We're not close because of their feelings, what their beliefs are...

They don't wanna hear this.

When I started speaking out about all this stuff, my...

Um...

You know, my family all just were like, "What the heck?!"

Cos I just was like, I wasn't gonna hold anything back and...

So...

It just came out of nowhere for them

and I just...

..you know, threw up all over them.

Pretty much. That's normal. AMANDA LAUGHS

What's it like to not be believed?

It is what it is and, you know, after God comes to you in a dream

and tells you all this crap is going on you're kind of like,

"Oh. This crap is going on."

So...

So there's nothing that could kind of prove it wrong in your mind?

Er, no.

No because I've seen the evil.

And there's a coming, OK?

There's a reckoning.

And, er, this reign of evil is over with.

And we're moving into a new era of time.

No-one I had met was willing to consider they could be wrong.

It was all just too important.

For Amanda, this was a calling from God.

To show me what made her first venture down the rabbit hole,

Amanda asked me to meet her at the place it all began -

her work.

LOW-PITCHED OBOE PLAYS PLUCKING STRINGS

Can I see the shot real quick?

Of course you can. Hold on.

You seem to be very sensitive about your appearance.

Probably because society programs you to believe that...

..you need to be pretty to be loved.

STRINGS BUILD

Where are we and what do you do?

We are at an exotic dance club.

This is not what you want your kid to grow up and do.

A lot of girls come here lost and broken

and they need help.

And they're hurting and...

And they're not here any more.

How did you find yourself here?

When I was 18 in high school,

all I wanted to do was become an actress, so...

..I put myself through two years of college,

I come home and...

I live in the heart of the heroin epidemic.

All my friends were on heroin.

My best friend's no longer with us cos she died.

She used to work here.

Sorry to hear that.

AMANDA EXHALES

EERIE CHATTER ECHOES

I've only known you for a matter of days.

But it feels like, you know,

you genuinely really want

to do some good in the world.

But you're not sure

how best to do that.

I just...

I wanna help the lost and broken.

How do you do that? AMANDA EXHALES

I've been guided to be in this club.

I had a girl that...

..worked with me here.

I remember crying out to God, like, "I'm so tired of this, I..."

"I just, I just want out, I'm done, I'm done, God, I'm done."

But everything inside of me was like, "You still need to be here."

DISTANT CHEERING ECHOES

It sounds kind of lonely.

Yeah. It can be a very lonely walk.

And no-one understands it.

Cos they're not walking in your shoes.

Amanda's story just makes me feel

a bit sad, to be honest.

It's clear why Q is so important

and why it's so hard to let go.

It makes her life worthwhile

and I think it also shows why

she's never gonna not drink the Kool-Aid.

But it's also scary

because when you believe something so ardently

and you are willing to literally die for that cause,

what is the end goal?

VIOLIN BOWS RESTLESSLY

CROWD CHANTING: We love Trump! We love Trump!

We love Trump! We love Trump!

RHYTHMIC CLAPPING We love Trump! We love Trump

I wonder what I will be proved right about next.

Perhaps it will be the election.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE VIOLIN CRESCENDOS

WHISTLING We will never, ever surrender!

All over the world,

an online conspiracy movement that started in the US

was finding its way to the top of politics.

CAR HORN BEEPS Lies of a cabal

and fake claims of rigged elections

were being used in order to win votes.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE In the weird world of Q,

Donald Trump was the saviour.

But as Q disappeared from public view

and Trump failed to win re-election,

new leaders had stepped into the frame.

Defeating these murderers!

Michael Flynn, along with Mike Lindell,

was at the top of the conspiracy tree.

We will get through this and get back to a place

that's stronger and safer than ever.

Flynn is a powerful figure.

He's a close confidante of Trump

and reached the very top of the US military

as a three-star general.

He made headlines after he filmed himself

doing a pledge associated with QAnon.

ALL: I... THEIR VOICES DROWN EACH OTHER OUT

..Flynn. Do solemnly swear.

ALL: Do solemnly swear.

Where we go one, we go all. Where we go one, we go all.

God bless America.

Flynn and his family say

this has nothing to do with Q

and that it's simply a family statement of support to one another.

But he's a superstar amongst Q supporters.

Where does Michael Flynn kind of fit into it all?

Michael Flynn, yeah, I think he's definitely one of the biggest names.

I mean, I think that he has something to do with it.

I definitely think it's a military operation - a positive one.

It's just about spreading truth and exposing the corruption.

When they find out a crime was committed, i.e. election crime,

you put the winner back in. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

WHISTLING

Mike Lindell is the owner of a $1 billion pillow brand

called My Pillow.

Mike Lindell of My Pillow,

boy, do you sell those pillows, it's unbelievable.

He also denies any connection to Q,

but he's become a hero to Q supporters

for peddling conspiracies that the US election

was rigged against Trump.

SIRENS BLARE

Michael Flynn's name had continually popped up

as a potential leader of this movement,

and even a future President.

But how did he feel about his alleged associations to Q?

And would he defend the conspiracies?

Both of the Mikes hate the mainstream media

and pretty much never do interviews,

but once again, through the help of Pastor Mark Burns,

I'd made it in.

Today is quite a big day.

I've finally got an interview with Michael Flynn.

I've been trying to do this for weeks.

There's been a lot of false starts.

I didn't think it was gonna happen, to be honest,

and then all of a sudden I was told that if I come to Los Angeles,

I would be able to have some time with him.

It's gonna be quite a challenge,

but it's an important day in the world of Q -

for me, at least.

HORN BLARES

WOMAN GIGGLES Seriously. All right.

Am I meant to sit here?

I wanna get five minutes with you. Yes. The general's here now.

I'm looking at him. That's right. THEY LAUGH

I was finally in the room with two of the most powerful men

in the world of alternate truth.

It must have been about, I suppose, around 8th January and then...

Yeah. I was thrown off of Twitter.

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Around about 8th, 9th, yeah.

Are you guys ready to rock and roll?

Yeah. Let's do it.

Do you think realistically in the next few months

Trump might be reinstated?

There's no more conspiracy theory about election fraud.

3, November 2020 in a presidential election.

It's no more a theory. It is a conspiracy.

Would I like to see a reinstatement?

You're damn right, I'd like to see a reinstatement of President Trump.

Mike, am I right in thinking that by August

Trump might be back in office?

Yeah, we're out by a little bit, it could be September.

It's worth remembering that there's zero evidence

to support the theory the election was stolen.

America's Attorney General threw out 60 cases

and in September 2021,

the audit in Arizona that they're referencing

confirmed that Joe Biden won the election.

Why do you think there's such a disparity, I suppose,

in thinking in the States at the moment?

Some people would say there hasn't been evidence of election fraud.

A lot of these cases were thrown out.

Donald Trump won 80 million to 68 million.

This was massive. Every state, it happened in.

The evidence is clear.

I mean, there's been a ton of evidence.

All you gotta do is read it

and hopefully the media one of these days will...

honest journalists will figure it out and report it.

It's a crime that happened

against every citizen of the United States of America.

Mm-hmm. Yep.

One thing that is kind of hard to escape

is the movement around the perimeters here, QAnon.

What's your opinion on Q?

What is it?

You know what it is at this point.

A group of people that don't like paedophilia?

What's your opinion on it?

Is it good, is it bad?

I think that paedophilia is disgusting.

Is Q a domestic terror threat?

Is that your...

Is that what it is?

I don't know. I don't know.

You've become quite a central figure of it.

The kind of messiah of that... Really?

Yeah, yeah, for sure, if you look outside, some of the T-shirts.

What're you asking me about? I mean, get to the point.

That is the point. Are you happy that you're being associated with Q?

If there's somebody against paedophilia, I'm with them.

Yeah, cos I think... Cos they're against paedophilia, I mean, right?

So is paedophilia good or bad?

To you? Right?

Now, I know you won't even... Yeah, I definitely don't think paedophilia is good.

See, you won't even play that.

Why would I not play that? Because I know your...

..organisation. See, but this is the thing... You're asking a stupid question.

You wouldn't even ask that if you were doing an interview.

But why is it a stupid question? You're here to interview us.

This is the big life. It doesn't matter who stands behind us or doesn't... Exactly. Yeah.

The evidence, the truth shall set you free.

This'll once again be one nation under God.

I've no idea what QAnon is, I really don't know...

You don't know what QAnon is? I've no idea... Are you serious?

I don't. But let me tell you what you need to do. You've both been asked about it multiple times.

You've the privilege of interviewing General Flynn and Mike Lindell... Why's it so offensive?

I'm just asking a question. I think the interview's over. Wasted my time.

Why does it need to be offensive?

There's people here it means a lot to... Because that's what you all are.

That's such a joke, what you did. OK. Thank you very much.

Shame on you. It's people like you that have hurt our country.

I'm not sure that's the truth, but thanks a lot for your time.

Hey, quick question - what company are you guys with?

Channel 4. Channel 4. Local?

No, no, it's in the UK.

Oh, UK. OK. Got you.

All right. Do you work with Michael Flynn?

No. No. All right, OK.

I think Mark's in trouble now.

He's led us into the world of Q

and we asked the questions we weren't meant to,

and now everyone's freaking the hell out.

Hey, Mark. Dude, that's bad! I thought...

I want to put y'all in front of people, but you can't do that, man.

What, ask about Q?

Brother.

We asked you about Q, though.

Yes, but... You... HE SIGHS

Really? You can't do that.

We asked you about it, we asked Roger about it, no-one had an issue.

Courtney! I didn't realise there'd be such a...

If there's anything that's controversial, you may want to just

ask us about it and so that... Maybe it would help to understand why...

Because I can't bring nobody else, like... We're not...

He's got our microphone. He's wearing our microphone.

MAN: You guys from Channel 4?

We are the Channel 4 dudes. I'm going to need you to go out that way.

OK. Thank you. We just need to get our microphone back.

Who are you with? Channel 4.

I'll go find it, give me just a second. You guys can't go there. Yeah, please.

Yeah, yeah. God, yeah.

All right, we just got kicked out.

What an ungraceful ending, eh?

This is politics today, not just in the States, but in the UK, you know?

You ask certain questions, conversations just get

shut down, and there's no meeting in the middle.

They're probably surrounded by so many yes-men that they've

lost all semblance of the truth, and that's what makes them

so dangerous, because ultimately...

..they're willing to undermine US democracy,

they're willing to call on people to fight.

I've been having conversations this whole time with people who

feel like Q is their life. They're literally willing to die for it.

They're also willing to die for the likes of Michael Flynn and Mike Lindell.

Very sad.

CROWD CHANTS: Freedom! Freedom! Freedom! Freedom!

WOMAN: Freedom! Freedom!

The Q movement has spread around the world,

and its digital soldiers can be found right on our doorstep.

This is satanic! CROWD: Yes!

According to our exclusive polling in partnership with YouGov,

58% of Brits think satanic ritual abuse of children probably

happens, and 10% of the British public believe

the UK Government need to be overthrown by force.

Both of these beliefs have direct links to the QAnon movement.

The worst case scenario is they're being sacrificed

to the devil in satanic rituals.

I think Trump's going to be able to save us all. I think...

Because there's so much corruption that's going to come across to

this country, that's come across from America.

Because we're part of it.

This is no conspiracy.

Most of them in there are evil,

and underpinning it all has been a trade for centuries

that is going on, and it's the trade of children.

Eight million children go missing every year.

Where do they go?

In Nazi Germany, it wasn't overnight!

They change the Mental Health Act,

they passed all the same laws

that are being passed now.

At the Nuremberg trials, the doctors and nurses stood trial,

and they hung!

This is Kate Shemirani,

the pre-eminent figure in the world of British conspiracy at the moment.

That was her suggesting NHS doctors and nurses could be tried

and even hung for their part in the UK's vaccination programme.

Kate's a former nurse who was struck off.

She uses the NHS and her anti-vaccine

beliefs as a rallying cry, and has given the conspiracies

of satanic abusers and the deep state a uniquely British edge.

Hi, how are you? Hey, Kate, how you doing? Nice to meet you.

You too.

It's always good to get the initial reaction.

That's all right, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.

I hear you're a Scouser. I am, yeah. I'm a Scouser indeed.

I'm just locking you in, fellas, so you can't leave.

No, no, no...

Come into my... Come into my garage food store,

my bikes, my gym.

Right now, I'm looking at what the Government is doing

and I don't want to be governed by what I see are people that are

completely overstepping the powers that have been bestowed upon them

by us, the people.

So the right channels need to be used to cease their power.

In real-life, Kate was friendly and hospitable,

a world away from the preacher screaming about Satan in Trafalgar Square.

But by alluding to NHS workers being hung,

she had taken British conspiracy down a dark, terrifying path.

At that rally in July, in Trafalgar Square, you seemed to make a link

that the NHS workers of today should be hung for their participation.

It's not for me to decide the law, it's the Rome Statute, I believe.

I... But you can... Hang on. You can have an opinion on it...

No, you're not going to make me... It really got a lot of media coverage. Excellent.

It was pretty scary, you know? Even standing there... Excellent.

It seemed to be... You said at the Nuremberg trials

those doctors and nurses hung. You don't like me mentioning Nuremberg.

Why don't you want me to mention Nuremberg?

Does it make you uncomfortable? Because it's unbelievably incendiary. Yes, it does.

Does it make you uncomfortable? It's extremely incendiary

to say that publicly in front of tens of thousands of people... It's incendiary? That's...

It's incendiary? That the workers in the NHS could potentially meet that fate.

It's incendiary? It's incendiary. OK, well, let's talk about it.

It's incendiary. This was in the last hundred years,

they facilitated the death of disabled children and adults.

And you're saying that that's happening today with Covid? And they believed...

They believe at that time that they were doing the right thing.

Over the last 18 months, Kate's been speaking

up and down the country in front of crowds of thousands of people,

and it appears to be working.

From our research with YouGov, 65% of Brits believe the people who have

the most influence and power in the UK are not our elected politicians.

But has this support and encouragement

led her to consider a move into politics?

Could you see yourself running for a political party?

I have considered and now opened that door.

It's not something that I've thought about and dismissed.

This is my camerawoman, as well.

She does all my filming when we're out.

You've encouraged me to go into politics, haven't you? Yeah.

We were chatting with Kate about whether she might

run for Prime Minister one day. Fantastic idea.

Would you vote for her? I would.

SHE CHUCKLES

It's hard, because everything they say has, like, a pearl of something

that could be reality, and they hook you on that point and say,

"See? See?" You know? "Do you get what I'm saying?"

Because of that tiny bits in this wider argument I'm making.

It's like, "No, no." Just because that tiny bit is true,

they just extrapolate everything and then they manipulate people

and they ask for money and they make them go out

and vote on the back of these things that are lies.

The dark forces of conspiracy have deeply embedded

themselves in our political systems, and after going behind the veil,

it's clear that none of us are safe from their lies and misinformation.

Conspiracies like Q give people hope and purpose,

but the road from obscure conspiracy to undermining democracy is

one paved with good intentions.

Conspiracy led to the biggest assault ever on US democracy.

If left unchecked, where will it lead the rest of us?

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