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[cheering and applause]
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Thank you, thank you. Wonderful.
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People see me as
a representative of the I Am,
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as Jehovah-Jireh,
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some people see a great deal
of God in my body.
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They see Christ in me, a hope of glory.
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[applause]
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[Stephan Jones]
My dad, he was a fiery speaker.
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We are going to have to unite
against a common enemy!
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[cheering]
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[Stephan Jones]
Incredible voice...
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and a wonderful message...
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[inaudible dialogue]
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that spoke to almost anyone.
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[helicopter blades whirring]
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[Peoples Temple member]
Hundreds of us here
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are so extremely happy,
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but I just must say this,
I can't help but say,
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that none of this would've been possible
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had it not been for Jim Jones.
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[โช ominous music playing]
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[inaudible dialogue]
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-[helicopter blades whirring]
-[indistinct radio chatter]
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[Charles Krause]
We flew in by helicopter
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and from the air
it just looked like confetti
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but each one of those pieces
of confetti was the shirt
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or dress of a dead person.
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[Thom Bogue]
Jones would talk about...
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it would be like the shot
heard around the world.
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And there'll be a record of it.
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And it'll never be forgotten.
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[โช symphonic theme music playing]
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[inaudible dialogue]
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[inaudible dialogue]
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[Yulanda Williams]
This was a time in America
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where people were imagining
what society could be.
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We had the Black Panthers movement.
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[all chanting indistinctly]
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We also experienced the Hare Krishnas...
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New Churches, of course.
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But most interesting to me
was Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple.
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[reporter] Reverend Jones,
how do you account
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for such an avid following
as you seem to have?
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I'm principled and dedicated to my people
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and they are also committed
to the Christian ethic,
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the Judeo-Christian ethic of service.
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We've just kind of grown up together.
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[Williams] It was a church
that did good works in the community...
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-Thank you, bless you.
-[crowd cheering]
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[Williams]
...with a very charismatic preacher.
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Now will each of you
give a very fond embrace to your neighbor.
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[Stephan Jones]
Folks have really not done a good job
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of showing what was
attractive about my father.
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I'm not here to protect his memory at all
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but, so, what you see
in the media about my father,
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one who didn't experience
the Temple can't help
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but think why would
anybody follow that guy?
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There must've been something wrong
with these people from the start.
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[indistinct singing]
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[vocalizing]
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Dad was dynamic at times.
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In the middle of a service,
he would, out of nowhere
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jump off the stage,
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wrap an African-American
woman up in his arms
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and just love her up and kiss her
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and my heart would melt.
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[inaudible dialogue]
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The people who joined it,
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I adored many people in the Temple.
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Some of the very, very best people
I've ever known.
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[Williams]
First time that I got there,
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I was greeted by
a rainbow coalition of people,
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and this was the first time
I had been in an atmosphere
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where it's one church,
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multiracial and multigenerational as well.
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And then, when I heard Jim Jones,
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he spoke about how much he respected
the Civil Rights Movement
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and how important it was that we continued
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to live out
Dr. Martin Luther King's dream.
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[inaudible singing]
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So, for me, it was excitement.
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-[crowd cheering]
-[inaudible dialogue]
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[Grace Stoen] I was a member
of the Peoples Temple
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for six years
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and I thought I had
a great purpose in my life.
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I would do anything for Jim Jones,
in the beginning anyway.
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But over time, Jim started
behaving strangely.
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One night, I went to
a meeting after a service.
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We were told not to fall
asleep and I wanna say
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it was like three o'clock in the morning.
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I remember, I did fall asleep.
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I had a gun on my forehead
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by Jim Jones and he goes,
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"I love you very much
but don't fall asleep
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'cause I will kill you."
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[Bogue] Jim Jones,
he spoke about the issues
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that people cared about during that time.
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You have to understand, this
was a time of great upheaval.
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The Vietnam War had just ended.
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We had protests going on...
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racial divide in our country,
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and a lot of tension between people.
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Jim Jones became friends with these
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political people of the day
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that were being brought into
the church to talk before us.
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People like Angela Davis...
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Harvey Milk...
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Moscone.
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And little did they know after they left,
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Jim Jones twisted and represented
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what they said to show us
how evil society was becoming.
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The poverty that is reeking
at our very doors in every city.
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[cheering]
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[Bogue] So, we would need to
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go somewhere and develop our own society,
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you know, where we could...
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build a place where everybody was equal.
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-[helicopter blades whirring]
-[indistinct radio chatter]
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My first experience was fantastic.
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This is like Mowgli in Jungle Book
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to see, oh, you know, look at these
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beautiful wild birds and macaws, parrots,
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that you rarely got to see in real life
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and how abundant the wildlife was.
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It seemed like everybody was just happy
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and untethered to the world around us.
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I really like it here and it's fun
and I really don't wanna go to sleep
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because it's so fun here and,
and there's so much to do.
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[inaudible dialogue]
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They were bringing in electricity...
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building beautiful homes
where we wouldn't have to pay rent,
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all the food we needed,
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our medical would all be taken care of.
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It was something
that was absolutely amazing.
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[grunting]
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We were safe and secure.
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The great Utopia, the better life
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helping each other
as one, big, happy family.
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[kids chattering]
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[Peoples Temple member]
We're building equipment
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and doing things to set up a little town,
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an actual community
or a country of our own
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where we can live the way we like to live
with our own lifestyle
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not to be interfered with people
from the outside world.
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[Stoen]
I'd left the Peoples Temple,
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but I still had loved ones
that had moved to Jonestown.
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I started hearing that people
were being badly mistreated.
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People were there against their will
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and what people that were there were told
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and what they were involved in
were quite different,
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making their lives a complete misery.
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Myself and other relatives
approached Congressman Leo Ryan.
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And many people there
were his constituents
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and he agreed to help us.
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[โช dramatic music playing]
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Me with other relatives, journalists,
a TV news crew
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and Congressman Ryan with his aide
met a JFK Airport.
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May I check your sticker there?
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[Jackie Speier]
I was quite anxious about the trip.
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Of course my mom said,
"No, you, you shouldn't go."
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Um...
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You know, this was 1978,
there were not many women
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as senior staff members
in Congress at the time.
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And I thought, if I didn't go,
this would set women back
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in our, um, efforts to be treated equally
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and so that was the reason why I went.
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We had a duty to protect
the American citizens who were there,
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constituents of Congressman Ryan.
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[Krause]
I was 31 years old in 1978.
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I had worked for The Washington Post
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at that point for about six years.
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So I got a call from the editor telling me
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that there's some Americans
living in the jungle in Guyana,
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the congressman is going down there,
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and he said, "Yeah,
it's becoming a big story."
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And they wanted me to go with him.
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In my mind, it might've been
a style story that is a,
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you know, a kind of feature
about these Americans
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who had left the United States,
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uh, to live in, in,
in a very remote part of the world.
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[Tim Reiterman]
I'd been covering this story
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for, you know, for months and months
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and written a number of stories
about Peoples Temple.
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One man said he escaped from Jonestown.
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People describe it as, as a work camp,
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a real hellish experience
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and there was one really
important hole in my reporting
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and that is that I hadn't
been to Jonestown.
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I honestly thought
the worst thing would happen
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would be I would be barred
from entering Jonestown
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because I was an enemy of the church
and they wouldn't let me in.
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[inaudible dialogue]
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[Stoen]
The concerned relatives
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that went, you know,
of course, we were grateful
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that Congressman Ryan,
uh, was willing to step in
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to help us to see our loved ones.
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But at the same time,
I knew it was very dangerous.
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I warned Congressman Ryan,
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he said, "Grace,
why do you keep saying this?"
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and I said, "You know,
I wasn't there for six years
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and not realized what
this person's capable of."
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I felt that at least I was
going in with that knowledge
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and I wanted everybody else
to go in with that knowledge.
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I remember reminding
everybody one more time,
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I said, "I just want everybody
to know there's a possibility
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that you could lose your life."
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And I remember a crew member from NBC,
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telling me to shut up
and I said, "Okay, I'm done.
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I've, I've warned you people once, twice."
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I said, "I'm done."
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[Krause] I was hearing from
the concerned relatives'
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stories that seemed really quite amazing,
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people were being tortured,
people were being starved,
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and, you know, that it was a kind of
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gulag in, in, in the jungle.
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And that could be true, I suppose,
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but it sounded almost as if...
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it sounded like they were
exaggerating quite a bit.
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It just didn't seem possible
that it could be that bad.
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We got to Georgetown, Guyana,
and it was a very tense situation
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because we did not have
an invitation from Jim Jones
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to travel to Jonestown.
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So when we arrived,
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we immediately got a message
from the Peoples Temple
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saying, "Stay away."
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[Leo Ryan] The petition
was handed to us this morning,
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which obviously says,
uh, "Yankees, go home."
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And, uh, that's the present,
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somewhat hostile attitude
of the, uh, Peoples Temple.
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I'm doing everything I can at this point
to give Jones every possible opportunity
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while we are here to address
any one or all of us, beginning with me.
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I'm trying to find out what the facts are.
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I intend to keep pushing
as long as I'm here.
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[Jim Jones speaking]
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[Bogue]
One evening in Jonestown,
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Jim Jones had called
everybody to the pavilion
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and he made an announcement
that Congressman Ryan was coming down.
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[Jim Jones speaking]
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He prophesied...
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that Ryan would never make it to Jonestown
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because he saw his plane
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falling out of the sky like a bird.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[Speier] We had been stuck in
Georgetown now for three days.
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And we negotiated
with Jim Jones' attorneys
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trying to finally get
an invitation to go there.
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So when we arrived in Georgetown,
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for the first three days,
there were no planes.
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After three days, Congressman Ryan
approached the concerned relatives.
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He told us that the plane was available,
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that there were a certain amount of seats
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and that so many were taken
for the news crew.
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"There's this many seats
and you need to decide
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among you, you know, who's gonna go."
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-Could I?
-I don't know.
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I'm not in charge of anything
but I certainly...
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[Stoen] Well, people started
arguing for these seats...
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and I just stepped back and I said,
"I'm not gonna fight over a seat."
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And Congressman Ryan said,
"You know, Grace, let us go in,
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"we'll open up the doors
and then, you know, there can be,
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you know, another chance,
maybe, for people to go in."
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I wanted to be able to see my son,
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I just wanted to be able to visit him.
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And hopefully, get him back.
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[โช ominous music playing]
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[Reiterman]
We were going to be flying
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into Port Kaituma airstrip,
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a very tiny town, you know,
not very far from Jonestown.
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When we approached Port Kaituma,
the pilot said they got a report
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and it came from Peoples Temple, actually,
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that the airstrip was unserviceable.
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They tried to get us not to land.
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The pilot circled, however,
and decided it was safe enough to land.
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Local officials there said
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Peoples Temple had not
given us permission to enter.
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[Ryan]
I'm Congressman Ryan.
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I'm from the United States government
and we're here to inquire into the, uh,
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health and the welfare of
American citizens who are here.
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[indistinct]
...I will have to get instructions.
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-[Ryan] From?
-From my chief inspector.
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Before any permission
can be granted by me.
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But I'm just carrying out duties.
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-[Ryan] Good.
-That I will continue to do.
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[Ryan]
Sure, I, I, I have no intentions of
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hurting or stopping
or anything like that and I,
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I want to do it with a great
respect for your government
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and for the rules of your country.
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Finally, they brought a truck for us.
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It took us an hour to go about
three miles in this truck.
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It was so muddy, it couldn't go very fast.
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Very remote.
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It's just hard to explain
how remote Jonestown was.
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The whole situation was very weird,
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I mean, there we were
in the middle of the jungle,
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in the middle of nowhere
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having no idea what to expect.
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โชโช
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[children singing indistinctly]
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[Speier]
We finally got to Jonestown.
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Some of the members took us on a tour.
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[indistinct chatter]
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That tour was, um... impressive.
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A childcare center, a medical clinic.
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They had carved out a life there.
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You couldn't not be impressed.
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But there was no sign of Jim Jones.
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[โช upbeat music playing]
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[indistinct singing]
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Later that evening...
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well, they put on a show in the pavilion
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and there was dinner
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and people were singing and dancing.
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-[singing continues]
-[โช music continues]
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โชโช
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-[โช slow romantic music playing]
-[singing continues]
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At the end of the performance,
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they asked Congressman Ryan
to come up to the stage,
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which he did.
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I'm very glad to be here,
this is a congressional inquiry.
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I think that all you know
that I'm here to find out
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more about, uh, questions
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that have been raised
about your operation here.
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Well, I can tell you right now that
from the few conversations I have had
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with some of the folks here
already this evening that, uh,
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whatever the comments are,
there are some people here
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who believe that this is the best thing
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that ever happened to them
in their whole life.
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-[crowd cheering]
-[mouths] Yeah.
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[cheering continues]
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[whistling]
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[cheering continues]
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[[inaudible dialogue]]
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[cheering continues]
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[inaudible dialogue]
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[cheering continues]
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[inaudible dialogue]
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[Krause]
These people were sitting there
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and they were clapping.
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It was, you know, the beginning
of a feeling that I had,
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that, "Well, this place
is not quite as, you know...
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There's, there--
Something's going on here."
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We had the performance,
the congressman had finished his speech.
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Suddenly there he was,
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Jim Jones was seated
at the end of the table.
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[Reiterman] When I first
introduced myself to him,
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he said, "I've read many of your stories.
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"You don't have to shoot me,
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you know, your words
have that kind of effect."
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That he didn't like what I had written.
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[inaudible dialogue]
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[Krause] Journalists started
asking questions and Jones,
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he wasn't making sense.
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He would start to answer a question
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and then all of a sudden,
he would start saying,
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"They're trying to hurt us
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and they're doing this
and they're doing that"
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and, you know, and,
"Why is all this happening?"
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And then he would kinda wind his way back
to whatever the question was, sort of,
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and it really
was disturbing, I mean, it...
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He, he, he clearly was not someone who was
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coherent, uh, half the time.
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[Reiterman]
Jim Jones didn't appear to be
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the same sort of charismatic leader
that he was in the United States.
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His eyes, you know,
even with his dark glasses
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I could see, were sort of like,
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they had a gelatinous cast
to them like he wasn't well,
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you know, he was exhibiting,
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you know, really sort of paranoid feelings
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about... his many enemies.
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He said the ex-members
were out to destroy him.
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It made me feel as though
not only the 900 people who lived there,
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but those of us who were visiting
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Jonestown and reporting in Jonestown
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were also in his hands.
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[Speier] The first thing
I noticed, he dyed his hair.
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He was sweating, agitated.
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[cheering]
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After the performance was over,
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Don Harris, the NBC reporter, was
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walking around the,
the edge of the pavilion
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and two members of the Peoples Temple
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had independently slipped him notes.
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So he came up to us
at the end of the evening
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and hands us these two notes
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and my heart sunk
because then it was confirmation
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that people were being
held there against their will.
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[inaudible singing]
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โชโช
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[Bogue]
We all played our role.
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We were all happy,
you know, clapping our hands,
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excited that a congressman
would come and see us...
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as we were instructed to do,
and we did very well at it,
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and that includes me.
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I remember smiling and clapping too
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but inside not really caring
one bit of what was going on.
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Then I saw this one lady
pass a note to a reporter
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up in the cottage area
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and I knew that wasn't a good thing,
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only because we really
weren't supposed to have
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any direct contact with them on our own.
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So I went and told my dad what I had seen.
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And he knew what that meant also,
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that actually it meant
there were gonna be problems.
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So he went and told me to tell
my mother and my sisters
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and everybody that, you know,
we need to get together...
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because we were gonna leave
one way or the other.
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โชโช
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[Krause] Jones did not want
us to sleep in Jonestown
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and so, the journalists,
we went back to Port Kaituma
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the little town nearby,
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in what was a kind of open-air nightclub.
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Later that night, the sheriff told us
that there had been incidents
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where people from Jonestown
had tried to escape
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but had been, sort of,
apprehended and taken back.
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So the pieces began,
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some things began to come together
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that were disturbing to say the least.
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โชโช
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[โช eerie music playing]
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[Reiterman] We were waiting
for the truck to arrive
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for our second, second day's visit.
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Don Harris knew that
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some Peoples Temple members
wanted to leave.
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We didn't know how many.
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We were apprehensive
going back into Jonestown.
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[Steve Sung]
I was a sound man for NBC News.
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Don Harris was anxious to get back,
he wanted to confront Jim Jones.
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He wanted to investigate,
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is that true that you're holding them
without, uh, free will?
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We're gonna go ask him about the note.
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[Don Harris] That leaves
only one thing to be explored,
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and that's this question of--
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There's a lot to be explored.
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[Harris] Well, for, for us,
the thing of fear.
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This is a good example.
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Last night, someone came
and passed me this note.
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Well, now you see
what we're talking about,
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he wants to leave his son here.
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If Jonestown's such a bad place,
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why does he want to leave his son here?
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[Harris]
Doesn't it concern you at all that
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this man, for whatever reason,
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one of the people in your group--
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People play games, friend.
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They lie, they lie.
What can I do about liars?
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Are you people gonna leave us?
I just beg you, please leave us.
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We'll... We will bother nobody,
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anybody wants to get out of here
can get out of here,
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we have no problem
about getting out of here.
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They come and go all the time.
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I don't know what kinda game,
people like, who... people like publicity,
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some people do, I don't,
but some people like publicity
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but if it's so damn bad,
why is he leaving his son here?
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Can you give me a good reason for that?
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[Harris] I'll ask him.
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I'd take my son, I'd take my son with me.
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[Krause]
When he told Jim Jones
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that some people wanted to leave,
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that was particularly tense
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and, and confrontational.
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Jones was one of these people
who would try to counter every argument
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with something, you know.
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"Well, what about this? What about that?"
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[inaudible dialogue]
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That really, sort of, was,
set off the, um,
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rest of the-- what happened.
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[inaudible dialogue]
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[Tim Carter] I'd been in
the Temple about six years.
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When I was watching Jim Jones' interview
with Don Harris,
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I was not thinking that six hours later
everybody would be dead.
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But when he handed him
the note something changed.
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He felt trapped.
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[inaudible dialogue]
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I guess that he felt betrayed.
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He took every person leaving
as a personal betrayal.
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I saw Jones getting angrier
and angrier and angrier.
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Literally saw his jaws just clench
and his face turn red.
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And then a storm came up
from literally out of nowhere.
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The sky turned black, the wind came up...
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and there was just an absolute
torrential downpour.
496
00:36:33,441 --> 00:36:35,276
You could barely see
five feet in front of you,
497
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:36,652
it was raining so hard.
498
00:36:40,615 --> 00:36:43,117
What I felt, um...
499
00:36:44,493 --> 00:36:46,787
I felt evil itself flow into Jonestown,
500
00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:48,915
that's what... it was a cold chill.
501
00:36:50,166 --> 00:36:52,460
The... coming down, it's coming down.
502
00:36:52,543 --> 00:36:55,504
Whatever's gonna happen,
this is the beginning of it.
503
00:36:55,588 --> 00:36:58,591
โชโช
504
00:37:09,185 --> 00:37:12,980
People absolutely
were not free to... leave.
505
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:17,109
[inaudible dialogue]
506
00:37:17,193 --> 00:37:19,862
Dad was a fearful man, he created fear.
507
00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:24,116
He was constantly managing
his own insecurities
508
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,326
and there were many.
509
00:37:26,661 --> 00:37:28,788
I believe Dad's entire
510
00:37:28,871 --> 00:37:30,665
opinion of himself,
511
00:37:31,832 --> 00:37:35,962
the only esteem he had
was in his perception
512
00:37:36,712 --> 00:37:38,756
of other people's perception of him.
513
00:37:40,549 --> 00:37:43,844
And so that meant the attention
always had to be on Dad.
514
00:37:45,429 --> 00:37:48,224
For Dad, the temple
didn't exist beyond him.
515
00:37:49,058 --> 00:37:51,185
The world didn't exist beyond him.
516
00:37:51,894 --> 00:37:55,982
It's the ultimate addiction,
I think, adulation.
517
00:37:56,816 --> 00:37:58,776
[inaudible dialogue]
518
00:37:58,859 --> 00:38:00,861
โชโช
519
00:38:06,325 --> 00:38:08,786
โชโช
520
00:38:08,869 --> 00:38:11,539
[Speier]
People wanted to leave Jonestown.
521
00:38:11,622 --> 00:38:14,333
So there was this desperation.
522
00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:18,921
And I was thinking about
all that we had to do
523
00:38:19,005 --> 00:38:21,173
to, to leave safely.
524
00:38:21,674 --> 00:38:24,802
I said, "Come with me
and I'm going to take an oral affidavit
525
00:38:24,885 --> 00:38:26,595
and we will get you out of here."
526
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:28,389
They were actually being fairly quiet.
527
00:38:28,472 --> 00:38:29,974
They just wanted to leave.
528
00:38:31,726 --> 00:38:32,727
What is her name?
529
00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:33,811
Tracy.
530
00:38:33,894 --> 00:38:35,104
Okay, well, get them.
531
00:38:35,187 --> 00:38:36,230
I've got them!
532
00:38:36,314 --> 00:38:39,191
Okay. We're gonna get them all, okay?
533
00:38:39,275 --> 00:38:42,653
I need, I'm gonna need
an oral affidavit from you all, okay?
534
00:38:42,737 --> 00:38:44,196
[indistinct chatter]
535
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,656
Right. Now, I'm coming right back.
536
00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:47,408
I'm going to get an oral affidavit
from both of you.
537
00:38:47,491 --> 00:38:49,660
Now do I both understand you
538
00:38:49,744 --> 00:38:51,912
to say that you both
want to leave Jonestown,
539
00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:54,498
On this day, November 18th, 1978?
540
00:38:54,582 --> 00:38:55,833
Yeah.
541
00:38:55,916 --> 00:38:57,626
And my name is Jackie Speier
and I'm an attorney
542
00:38:57,710 --> 00:39:00,338
on the staff of Congressman Leo Ryan,
543
00:39:00,421 --> 00:39:01,839
U.S. government.
544
00:39:02,256 --> 00:39:04,258
And what is your wish today?
545
00:39:05,217 --> 00:39:07,178
To go back, to go back home.
546
00:39:07,261 --> 00:39:08,262
And where is home?
547
00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:09,347
The U.S.
548
00:39:10,014 --> 00:39:11,140
Alright, then.
549
00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:19,857
[Speier] They were scared.
550
00:39:20,649 --> 00:39:23,819
They had done something
incredibly bold and courageous.
551
00:39:28,407 --> 00:39:33,162
As I went to one of the cabins
to retrieve one of the defectors,
552
00:39:33,245 --> 00:39:35,164
you know, there was a man who looked like
553
00:39:35,247 --> 00:39:37,833
he could be a guard
standing at the doorway,
554
00:39:37,917 --> 00:39:40,544
trying to prevent the member
555
00:39:40,628 --> 00:39:43,547
to get her belongings and to leave.
556
00:39:43,631 --> 00:39:46,342
We were able to do that.
We went back to the pavilion.
557
00:39:49,845 --> 00:39:51,931
And then word spread,
558
00:39:52,014 --> 00:39:53,682
and then more and more people
wanted to leave.
559
00:39:57,144 --> 00:39:59,021
You bring those kids back here!
560
00:40:00,022 --> 00:40:01,857
You... You bring 'em back!
561
00:40:02,525 --> 00:40:04,402
Don't you take my kids!
562
00:40:04,485 --> 00:40:05,861
[indistinct chatter]
563
00:40:05,945 --> 00:40:07,029
Mother!
564
00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:09,782
[Speier]
And there was a couple there,
565
00:40:09,865 --> 00:40:13,202
one wanted to leave,
the other wanted to stay
566
00:40:13,285 --> 00:40:14,745
and they have the child between them,
567
00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:17,790
and they were pulling
on this child's arms.
568
00:40:22,002 --> 00:40:25,423
The atmosphere got incredibly tense.
569
00:40:30,010 --> 00:40:33,180
As I was interviewing
those that wanted to leave,
570
00:40:33,264 --> 00:40:35,307
Jim Jones was hovering nearby...
571
00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:40,146
and he was basically saying to them,
572
00:40:40,229 --> 00:40:43,524
"Come on, you know you've got
a good life here, you wanna stay.
573
00:40:43,607 --> 00:40:46,360
"I can't believe for a moment
that you're gonna be leaving me,
574
00:40:46,444 --> 00:40:48,195
you're my whole world."
575
00:40:48,279 --> 00:40:50,573
Words that were intimidating to them
576
00:40:50,656 --> 00:40:52,741
and he was trying to be intimidating.
577
00:40:53,451 --> 00:40:57,121
But I was focused on providing
578
00:40:57,204 --> 00:40:58,831
what little protection I could at the time
579
00:40:58,914 --> 00:41:01,625
but making it clear that we were
gonna take them out of there.
580
00:41:07,381 --> 00:41:09,425
[Reiterman]
So the number of people leaving
581
00:41:09,508 --> 00:41:11,510
just grew throughout the day.
582
00:41:13,179 --> 00:41:17,308
And I asked Leo Ryan,
"How many are going?"
583
00:41:17,391 --> 00:41:20,519
And he said, "More than a dozen.
584
00:41:20,603 --> 00:41:22,104
They're coming out of the woodwork."
585
00:41:23,105 --> 00:41:24,899
It ended up being 15.
586
00:41:30,654 --> 00:41:34,033
[Speier] We recognized that we didn't have
enough seats on the plane,
587
00:41:34,116 --> 00:41:36,243
so we then ordered a second plane
588
00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:39,288
and Congressman Ryan then decided
589
00:41:39,371 --> 00:41:42,082
he was gonna stay behind
590
00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:44,210
because there were more people
that wanted to leave
591
00:41:44,293 --> 00:41:47,588
than we had seats on the plane,
592
00:41:47,671 --> 00:41:51,675
so he would assist
with the second airlift out.
593
00:41:51,759 --> 00:41:56,347
โชโช
594
00:42:07,107 --> 00:42:08,651
We're starting to travel
595
00:42:10,402 --> 00:42:13,447
and then all of a sudden
there's this noise erupting.
596
00:42:13,531 --> 00:42:17,076
This roar that came up
597
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:18,494
from the pavilion area
598
00:42:18,577 --> 00:42:21,956
and Don Harris jumped off the truck.
599
00:42:27,044 --> 00:42:31,882
[Speier] And out walks Congressman Ryan
in a now blood-stained shirt.
600
00:42:36,512 --> 00:42:38,597
Someone had attempted to knife him.
601
00:42:39,932 --> 00:42:41,475
[Reiterman]
One of the Peoples Temple members
602
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,811
grabbed him and pressed a knife
603
00:42:43,894 --> 00:42:47,064
to his throat and said,
"I'm gonna kill you."
604
00:42:47,147 --> 00:42:50,025
[Krause] Someone else
had grabbed that person
605
00:42:50,109 --> 00:42:53,404
and the knife, instead of
going into the congressman,
606
00:42:53,487 --> 00:42:57,074
ended up stabbing the guy
who tried to kill him,
607
00:42:57,157 --> 00:43:00,077
so it was his blood,
it was the assassin's blood
608
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,996
that was on his shirt.
609
00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:06,500
[Krause] It was clear we
really had to get out of there
610
00:43:06,584 --> 00:43:08,043
as quickly as possible.
611
00:43:08,711 --> 00:43:12,047
It did signal that there was more going on
612
00:43:12,131 --> 00:43:14,967
than, than maybe, maybe I realized.
613
00:43:16,218 --> 00:43:20,431
This was a very, very traumatic moment.
614
00:43:22,266 --> 00:43:25,519
And the fact that somebody had tried
to kill the congressman...
615
00:43:28,063 --> 00:43:33,944
was just the prelude to
what was really gonna happen.
616
00:43:37,448 --> 00:43:39,783
[โช dramatic closing theme music playing]
617
00:44:02,264 --> 00:44:04,266
[โช music continues]
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