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November 2004,
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off the coast
of Southern California,
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the radar operators
on the USS Princeton
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begin to see objects
coming essentially from space.
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As I come up, I can see him as
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he's crossing in front of me,
it starts to accelerate,
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gets right on my nose
and disappears.
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This particular object
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was not following
any of our rules.
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Like, what the is that?
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Like, we're seeing something
for the first time.
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We don't know if it's a threat.
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We don't even know what it is.
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We don't know
what we don't know.
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These unidentified
flying phenomenon
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or objects, you know, I
don't know what they are.
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But we've established
one thing: they exist.
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Our pilots have been seeing
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these things for decades.
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Their sightings
go all the way back
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to the '40s and '50s and '60s.
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We have a report
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of an unidentified
aircraft south of the field.
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There have been
hundreds of sightings
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in Westchester, Dutchess,
and Putnam Counties.
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Anything that enters an airspace
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that's not supposed
to be there is a threat.
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There's a lot of people
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who feel very passionate
about this issue
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and they just want
people to take it seriously,
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as they should!
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The military and the government
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basically decided on
a policy of shaming.
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The witnesses were very
afraid of being ridiculed.
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They think you're a
nut, tell you the truth.
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That's just what
they figure you are.
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We needed to remove the stigma.
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Republicans are just as curious
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as Democrats when it
comes to these matters.
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It used to be that
the burden of proof
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was on the true believer.
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They saw something, prove it.
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Now the burden of proof
has shifted to the government.
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Now they have to prove
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that they don't
come from perhaps
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another universe beyond ours.
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We get reports every night.
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I don't know
what the hell it is.
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Looks like a rotating
light around it.
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Yes, it came from outer space
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to fill the world with terror.
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To bring you
unforgettable suspense.
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When you hear the term "UFO,"
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I think a lot of people
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think of, uh, little green men
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and Elvis on the mothership,
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and tin foil hats.
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Where did it come from?
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When in reality,
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what we're talking
about are real objects
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that are being encountered
over controlled U.S. airspace,
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in some cases very
sensitive locations,
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performing in ways that,
frankly, we can't understand.
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Honestly, we have
video footage of UAPs,
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unidentified aerial phenomena.
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More and more things
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that we can't identify.
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So we need to know what it is.
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That is necessary
for national security.
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There's a whole fleet of
them, look on the ASA.
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Might this be from the Russians,
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the Chinese government?
Or another hostile nation?
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A non-state actor?
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Or are these
aircraft otherworldly?
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Are these beings from
another galaxy or universe?
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These are questions that,
that have to be answered.
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I think the best way
to characterize it
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is we're vulnerable.
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It's a vulnerability.
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And that vulnerability
could be exploited,
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could be massively exploited.
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So, that has to be a
national security concern.
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We've been looking at this topic
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for the last 70
years as a country.
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We have substantiated
reports of UAP activity
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from at least World War II.
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We have received and analyzed
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between 1 and 2,000 reports
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that have come to us
from all kinds of sources.
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You're not taught
this in history class,
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but we had a phenomenal
series of UFO sightings
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directly over the nation's
Capital in July 1952,
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on two successive weekends.
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Air Force interest
in this problem
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has been due to our
feeling of an obligation
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to identify anything in the air
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that may have the
possibility of threat
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or menace to the United States.
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The American people
wanted answers.
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And unfortunately the Air
Force chose to obfuscate.
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Our critics continually charge
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that the United States Air Force
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is withholding information
from the general public.
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This is absolutely untrue.
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We are not hiding anything.
We have nothing to hide.
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So in the early 1970s,
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the government concluded
its investigation into UFOs.
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As a result of that, there
was this quiet period.
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This point where
the U.S. government
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had washed its
hands of the topic.
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That occurred for,
for several decades,
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or at least that's what
we were led to believe.
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But in fact, in 2008,
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I was approached by a couple
representatives from a little,
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small, obscure office
somewhere in, in the Pentagon.
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That office was called the
Advance Aerospace Threat
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AATIP.
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The individuals asked me
if I would be part of an effort
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which, quite literally,
looked at UFOs.
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AATIP was the deliberate
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and purposeful study of
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Unidentified Aerial Vehicles
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that were being encountered
in controlled U.S. air space.
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People asked me,
"Well, why you, Luis?"
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And as it was explained to me
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was because of
my, my background.
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I'm a career
counterintelligence special agent.
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Many of my assignments
were overseas,
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initially in the Latin
American, uh, hemisphere,
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and then later on,
after September 11th,
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over in Afghanistan
and the Middle East.
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I took an oath many,
many years ago
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to defend this country from all
enemies, foreign and domestic.
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And that's why I accepted
the offer to join AATIP.
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I approached this
job the same way
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I did every other job I
ever had in intelligence.
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The exact same methodologies
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that we used to hunt terrorists,
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we were using to hunt UFOs.
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The sources of information
that was collected
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was primarily through Department
of Defense and military assets.
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Think of fighter aircraft and,
and military eyewitnesses.
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We did not engage the public.
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These pilots are, are
not only trained observers,
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but they are some of the
best aircraft pilots on the planet
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operating some of the most
sophisticated weapons systems
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on the planet.
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When they're telling you
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that they are
encountering something
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that they cannot describe,
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that impacts our
national security
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and our ability to respond
to a perceived threat.
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And so when they are
encountering these objects
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we have to take their
testimony seriously.
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Imagine something
that had the ability
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to fly in space, under water,
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and in our atmosphere at
13,000 miles an hour, and,
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and change directions instantly.
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We fly the SR-71 at
3,200 miles an hour.
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If you wanted to
take a right-hand turn,
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it would take you roughly
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half the state of Ohio to do it.
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And yet what we
are seeing are objects
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that can do 90-degree
turns instantly.
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And we're not talking about
speeds of 3,200 miles an hour.
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They've been
clocked at over 13,000.
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How is that possible?
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On the Armed Services Committee,
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the one thing I did
become aware of
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that I was very concerned about
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is that members
of our armed forces
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have come forward
over many years
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with reports of
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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
that they actually captured
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and instead of that
information being well-received,
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it's often been denigrated.
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By and large,
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most of the data
was not even filed,
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or saved, or reported.
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The information that was stored
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did not go to a
central authority.
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That's not acceptable.
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And if we don't know what it is,
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it's not an appropriate
response to say, well then,
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let's not look at it, or
let's not admit it's there.
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And so I wanted to
look into this further.
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So is that like an
adrenaline junkie,
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is that what you'd
call yourself?
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I wouldn't say I'm
an adrenaline junkie,
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but I like fast cars and
flying jets are pretty cool.
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I think it's the greatest
job on the planet.
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My name is David Fravor.
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I'm a retired Navy
Commander Super Hornet pilot.
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I flew for 18 years for
the United States Navy.
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I'm, uh, at the
foot of the ladder...
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July 1969, I was with my mom
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watching Neil Armstrong
walk on the moon.
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Both hands down,
about the fourth rung up.
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And I was fascinated with space
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and my mom said they
were all former military pilots.
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And about from that point on,
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I had this goal that I was
gonna fly tactical aircraft
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somewhere in the
United States military.
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I got some pilots
that I worry about.
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'Cause, the first thing, you
don't want to lose anybody
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and number two, the
airplanes are pretty expensive
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and it's tax dollars.
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In November of 2004,
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we're gonna work
with the USS Princeton
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and we were flying,
we're training our aircrew.
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Stand by for word from
Commanding Officer.
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As Alex was flying
the other plane,
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The Princeton came
up and said, "Hey, sir,
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we're gonna, we're gonna
hold on training today."
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So he said, "Hey, we
have a real-world vector,"
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and they turned
us off to the West.
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It goes to, "Oh, real world.
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Maybe we're going to
intercept some drug runners."
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We were flying in a tactical
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combat spread
formation, two aircraft.
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Each aircraft had two aircrew.
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As the radar hits on
the USS Princeton ,
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scopes start to march
towards each other.
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They get so close that
they can't differentiate them,
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and that's called a merge plot.
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And a merge plot is when
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you would expect to
merge with this other aircraft,
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and if you're in a
combat situation,
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that's obviously a
very tense moment.
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So, when you do that,
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you start looking outside,
so we're kinda doing this...
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looking around
to see where it's at
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because it's somewhere
around you and you don't know.
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And I looked down,
I go, "What is that?!"
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Close your eyes and imagine
a long cylindrical white object
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with rounded ends,
roughly 40 feet long,
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that looked like
a giant Tic Tac.
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It was white, pure
white, it had no windows,
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no wings, no visual
signs of propulsion.
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And this thing was
going like this...
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And I, I describe it as like
if you put a ping pong ball
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and it was bouncing off a wall.
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This particular object
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was not following
any of our rules.
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It didn't have a turn radius
that we would expect.
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It didn't have a period to
accelerate and decelerate.
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It just seemed to zip so
quickly that it was again
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really disorienting,
really confusing for us.
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David said it was
the "WTF moment."
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Yeah. Yeah.
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There were definitely
some "WTFs" on the radio.
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Not in a scared way but like,
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"What the is that?"
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Like, we're seeing
something for the first time.
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You know, some people
go "what is that" and they run.
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And then some
people say "what is that"
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and they're curious and they
want to get closer and closer.
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I wanted to get closer
and see what it was.
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My lead, Commander David Fravor,
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he says "I'm in,"
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which means that he's
engaging with this thing.
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We're going around,
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we get to about the
12 o'clock position
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and this thing is still
pointing north-south.
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The Tic Tac goes...
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and turns and starts coming up.
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So, now it's mirroring me.
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Whatever it was, was
aware that we were there.
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And as I come up, I can see
him as he's crossing in front of me,
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it starts to accelerate,
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gets right on my
nose and disappears.
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For something to come
off the surface of the ocean
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like it was moving around,
to be able to just accelerate,
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to match my speed and
then to rapidly go away,
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we do not possess
that technology.
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Dave Fravor was my
commanding officer.
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Dave had his encounter.
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He comes back and
lands on the carrier
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and goes "I'm a
little weirded out."
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Uh, we were out there,
and we saw this object.
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"I need you to go out
to this sector of airspace
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and try to find it."
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He's been flying
his entire career,
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over 20 years.
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When he says
something like that,
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I take it seriously.
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Chad decided, "If
there's any way possible,
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if I can get this thing on
video, I'm gonna do it."
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I think it's a testament
to Chad Underwood
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and his pilot, their
experience, their expertise,
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their, their technical acumen
that they were able to launch
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and find it and bring
back FLIR footage.
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You can see we just
jumped to infrared,
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target is now white
against a black background.
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It's the same picture, it's
just a different kind of polarity.
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I told my pilot I'm like,
"Hey, I'm going to go into
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"every single field
of view, zoom, TV...
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and just try to bring
back as much footage."
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So we pop the tapes
in and take a look
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and every single
eyeball in the room
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was just like
wide-open like, "whoa."
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How do I describe
this to someone
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who's gonna be,
you know, skeptical
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and, and there was
kind of that stigma of like
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"Alright, you saw an alien."
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I'm like, "I didn't
say I saw an alien."
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All I can tell you is that
I couldn't describe it.
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There's a lot more videos there.
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What we're seeing
on gun-camera footage
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is being validated and verified
by eyewitness testimony,
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which is also being further
substantiated by radar data.
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My intent was to
have this information
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presented to the
Secretary of Defense
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so he could make
an informed decision.
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There are aspects
of this phenomenon
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that definitely belong within
the national security arena.
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Especially if these objects were
over controlled U.S. airspace.
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That's inherent
government business.
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The boss needed to see the data,
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and unfortunately
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that information was not
permitted to get to him.
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On a regular, routine basis,
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I was brought up to
the Secretary's suite,
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and I was briefing
his direct reports.
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But they wouldn't
bring it to his attention.
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And I suspect they were trying
to save him from embarrassment,
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because if someone
in the media said,
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"Were you ever briefed on
UFOs?" he'd have to say yes.
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And so after several
failed attempts
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to brief the
Secretary of Defense,
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I chose to resign.
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Sometimes, if you
want to help the system,
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you have to leave the
very system to do it,
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and that's what I chose to do.
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My resignation, it wasn't easy.
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It was probably the
most difficult on my family.
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I had given up a
successful career.
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But it's kind of a code of
ethic with us in government
339
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that if you can't fix
a problem internally
340
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then you leave, which is
ultimately what I had to do.
341
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Leslie interview take one, mark!
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My name is Leslie Kean
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and I'm an
investigative journalist
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and I've been reporting
on UFOs for about 21 years.
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In the fall of 2017,
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I got a call from
a source of mine,
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Chris Mellon, a former
Under Secretary of Defense,
348
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who was very interested in UFOs
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and he invited me to a secret
meeting in Washington DC.
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And I eventually
learned that the purpose
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was for me to meet the former
head of an official program
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within the Department of
Defense which was studying UFOs,
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and had been
doing so for 10 years.
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I met Luis Elizondo the day
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after he resigned from
the secret program.
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So this was unbelievable to me.
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There was a program,
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and I was actually
about to meet the person
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who headed up that program.
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It was a big deal.
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It was the biggest moment
of my career as a journalist.
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These are original copies
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from the original negative
of the... probably the most...
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When I first started
writing about UFOs in 2000,
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I was working at a public radio
station in Berkeley, California.
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And, suddenly, this
colleague from France
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sent me a report in the mail.
368
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The report was called
the COMETA Report
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and I had the only
exclusive English translation.
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What it was was a 90-page
study of official UFO cases
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put together by French
military officials, generals,
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an admiral, the chief of police.
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What really stunned me when
I read it, was their conclusion.
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What they said was that
the extraterrestrial hypothesis
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was the most valid, rational,
and logical explanation
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for the UFO cases
that they studied.
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So, I thought this was a huge
story and I thought to myself,
378
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"What if the equivalent
level of officials in America
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said something like that?"
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Wouldn't that be
front-page news,
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wouldn't that go
all over the world?
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And then I pitched a
story to the Boston Globe ,
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and in May of 2000,
that story came out.
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The response was huge
within the UFO world,
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but what I was
surprised about was that
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there wasn't more response
outside of the people
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who already cared
about this topic.
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And so my goal in
writing about UFOs
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has been mainly to
bring information forward
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to the public.
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But, beyond that, it's to
motivate our government
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to pay attention.
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I commend the
media for tackling this
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because they're, they're
putting a lot at risk as well,
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reporting on this topic.
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Pilots are in a position
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to provide very useful
information to scientists...
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That's how we have a
comprehensive conversation
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with the American people.
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I did not walk away
from that meeting
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with Luis Elizondo
carrying anything with me.
402
00:19:17,239 --> 00:19:20,992
I was shown three
videos of UFOs.
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00:19:20,993 --> 00:19:24,412
And these were official
Department of Defense videos
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that were, without question,
unexplained objects.
405
00:19:31,962 --> 00:19:33,338
Oh, okay.
406
00:19:33,339 --> 00:19:35,423
She ran through the videos,
407
00:19:35,424 --> 00:19:37,509
and she asked me,
are these authentic?
408
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:40,428
And I said, "I can tell you
that the videos are authentic."
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And the only reason
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00:19:41,972 --> 00:19:45,517
why I'm telling you this is
because they're unclassified.
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I facilitated the review
process for them
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through the
Department of Defense.
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Two of them had
audiotapes of the pilots
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exclaiming about what they
were seeing and their shock
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and their awe and
everything else.
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This was just absolutely
stunning to me,
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because there have been
no official videos of UFOs
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released... I don't think
ever, but certainly not for,
419
00:20:08,374 --> 00:20:11,376
since way back
in the '50s or '60s.
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And they were
official. That's the thing.
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They weren't just somebody out
with a cellphone taking a video.
422
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When you hear the
pilots' reaction to,
423
00:20:23,097 --> 00:20:26,182
to these encounters,
it's very compelling.
424
00:20:26,183 --> 00:20:29,602
There's a whole fleet of
them. Look on the ASA!
425
00:20:29,603 --> 00:20:31,604
My gosh!
426
00:20:31,605 --> 00:20:32,939
They're obviously startled,
427
00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:34,941
they're obviously
encountering something
428
00:20:34,942 --> 00:20:37,360
that they can't explain
and we need to figure out
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00:20:37,361 --> 00:20:39,280
what we collectively
are gonna do about it.
430
00:20:42,032 --> 00:20:46,035
And that's why I resigned
from the Department of Defense.
431
00:20:46,036 --> 00:20:48,663
Luis Elizondo's
letter of resignation
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that he wrote for the
Secretary of Defense,
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I think that might have
just knocked me out
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almost more than anything else.
435
00:20:55,671 --> 00:20:59,007
He explained why he
was resigning this job,
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00:20:59,008 --> 00:21:01,259
and it had to do with
his understanding
437
00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,637
that UFOs were a
national security concern.
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00:21:05,764 --> 00:21:07,724
To see that written down,
439
00:21:07,725 --> 00:21:10,186
and the courage that it
took for him to do that,
440
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:13,022
it was just incredible.
441
00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:22,405
In order to understand
why I resigned,
442
00:21:22,406 --> 00:21:27,286
I think you have to go
back to where I came from.
443
00:21:28,662 --> 00:21:30,205
I come from, on
my father's side,
444
00:21:30,206 --> 00:21:31,956
uh, Cuban immigrants.
445
00:21:31,957 --> 00:21:33,750
That's meaningful for me
446
00:21:33,751 --> 00:21:38,588
because this country
offered my family opportunities
447
00:21:38,589 --> 00:21:40,673
that nobody else would,
448
00:21:40,674 --> 00:21:43,635
and so from a very young
age, I've always wanted to,
449
00:21:43,636 --> 00:21:47,056
to serve the, the country
that gave my family so much.
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You know, ironically, I left
the Department of Defense
451
00:21:53,145 --> 00:21:56,105
out of loyalty, not disloyalty.
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I left the Department of Defense
453
00:21:57,733 --> 00:21:58,942
to finish the very mission
454
00:21:58,943 --> 00:22:00,736
they gave me in the first place.
455
00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:06,282
After reporting all
these years on UFOs,
456
00:22:06,283 --> 00:22:08,243
there was nothing
that came close
457
00:22:08,244 --> 00:22:10,454
to the power of that
particular meeting.
458
00:22:12,748 --> 00:22:15,291
Once I realized
this was a big story,
459
00:22:15,292 --> 00:22:18,211
I teamed up with my
colleague Ralph Blumenthal
460
00:22:18,212 --> 00:22:20,839
who was a freelance reporter
for the New York Times,
461
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,050
and he pitched it
to the head editor.
462
00:22:24,051 --> 00:22:26,594
I had never reported for
the New York Times before,
463
00:22:26,595 --> 00:22:29,305
so I didn't know
what would happen
464
00:22:29,306 --> 00:22:32,892
but that's where I felt
this story should go.
465
00:22:32,893 --> 00:22:35,937
The public has a right to
know about what we're learning
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00:22:35,938 --> 00:22:38,148
about this extraordinary
phenomenon.
467
00:22:43,696 --> 00:22:47,198
I think it was sometime
in the fall of 2017,
468
00:22:47,199 --> 00:22:49,492
my boss, who's the
Washington Bureau Chief,
469
00:22:49,493 --> 00:22:53,496
walked up to my desk and said,
"Do you wanna write about UFOs?"
470
00:22:53,497 --> 00:22:56,082
And we both sort of
laughed and she said
471
00:22:56,083 --> 00:23:00,796
Leslie Kean had information
about a secret Pentagon program.
472
00:23:02,172 --> 00:23:05,842
And that was easily,
to me, fascinating.
473
00:23:05,843 --> 00:23:08,178
There's no way I don't
want to write about it.
474
00:23:09,221 --> 00:23:10,763
I'm Helene Cooper.
475
00:23:10,764 --> 00:23:14,767
I'm the Pentagon Correspondent
for the New York Times.
476
00:23:14,768 --> 00:23:18,062
I've been with the
paper since 2004.
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00:23:18,063 --> 00:23:20,064
You can always tell
a Pentagon reporter
478
00:23:20,065 --> 00:23:23,568
'cause we like to say that's
the best beat in Washington.
479
00:23:23,569 --> 00:23:26,195
You're on aircraft carriers,
you're on fighter jets.
480
00:23:26,196 --> 00:23:29,240
I've been on bombers. I've
been on the B1 and the B2.
481
00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:32,161
You're on naval destroyers
in the South China Sea.
482
00:23:33,162 --> 00:23:34,371
You're never bored.
483
00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:40,001
Once Helene Cooper was on board,
484
00:23:40,002 --> 00:23:42,629
we set up a meeting
up with Luis Elizondo,
485
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:45,382
the former head of
the Pentagon Program.
486
00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:49,719
We met up at a hotel
487
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,472
somewhere near Capitol Hill.
488
00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:56,726
It started in the afternoon
and ended up in the evening.
489
00:23:56,727 --> 00:23:57,769
She made it very
clear that she was,
490
00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:01,105
she was writing this story.
491
00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:03,483
I was a little bit, to be
completely forthcoming,
492
00:24:03,484 --> 00:24:05,276
a little intimidated.
493
00:24:05,277 --> 00:24:07,987
When the New York
Times comes knocking,
494
00:24:07,988 --> 00:24:10,531
that'll get your
attention pretty quickly.
495
00:24:10,532 --> 00:24:14,869
He had stacks of
papers and information.
496
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:17,705
I think they were trying
to get me to confirm,
497
00:24:17,706 --> 00:24:19,874
you know, who was the
sponsor of the program.
498
00:24:19,875 --> 00:24:22,961
He told us that
Senator Harry Reid
499
00:24:22,962 --> 00:24:25,421
had put money in
the Pentagon budget
500
00:24:25,422 --> 00:24:27,882
to fund this program.
501
00:24:27,883 --> 00:24:32,637
Leslie, Ralph, and I all thought
that Harry Reid would deny
502
00:24:32,638 --> 00:24:34,430
that he had put
the money in there.
503
00:24:34,431 --> 00:24:35,890
This was black money,
504
00:24:35,891 --> 00:24:39,727
it was kind of off the
books and so all I wanted
505
00:24:39,728 --> 00:24:44,857
was to nail the fact that
the Pentagon had a UFO,
506
00:24:44,858 --> 00:24:47,194
secret UFO program.
That's all I needed to do.
507
00:24:48,612 --> 00:24:50,488
I'm not trying to prove
that they're UFOs,
508
00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:52,865
I'm not trying to prove
that anybody's visited.
509
00:24:52,866 --> 00:24:54,867
I just wanted to
interview the people
510
00:24:54,868 --> 00:24:57,704
who were involved
in this program
511
00:24:57,705 --> 00:24:59,623
and put them on the record.
512
00:25:01,792 --> 00:25:04,335
Going to interview Senator Reid
513
00:25:04,336 --> 00:25:05,753
was a big deal.
514
00:25:05,754 --> 00:25:07,505
We needed him to acknowledge
515
00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:10,133
that he put the money
into the program.
516
00:25:10,134 --> 00:25:11,801
If we didn't have Harry Reid,
517
00:25:11,802 --> 00:25:15,346
we might not have a
story. He was that important.
518
00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:16,723
We didn't know
519
00:25:16,724 --> 00:25:18,683
whether he'd be willing
to go on the record
520
00:25:18,684 --> 00:25:23,688
because this was a very
sketchy field to begin with.
521
00:25:23,689 --> 00:25:25,523
You know, most people thought
522
00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:28,443
if you're a senior person
in the government,
523
00:25:28,444 --> 00:25:30,611
it's kind of a career-ender
524
00:25:30,612 --> 00:25:34,574
to say that the government
should actually take seriously
525
00:25:34,575 --> 00:25:38,619
the prospect that unidentified
aerial phenomena might be,
526
00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:40,330
in fact, UFOs.
527
00:25:42,791 --> 00:25:46,043
And so, I flew to Las Vegas
528
00:25:46,044 --> 00:25:49,172
to meet with Senator Reid.
529
00:25:49,173 --> 00:25:50,506
He, like, has this
530
00:25:50,507 --> 00:25:54,135
huge suite of offices
at the Bellagio.
531
00:25:54,136 --> 00:25:57,346
This was gonna be
it, this is my one shot.
532
00:25:57,347 --> 00:26:01,684
And I walked in to talk to him
and he was completely open.
533
00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:05,688
These unidentified flying
phenomenon or objects,
534
00:26:05,689 --> 00:26:08,566
you know, I don't
know what they are.
535
00:26:08,567 --> 00:26:12,236
But we've established
one thing: they exist.
536
00:26:12,237 --> 00:26:15,531
In that moment, you're
sitting there as a reporter.
537
00:26:15,532 --> 00:26:17,867
And your blood
is sort of pounding
538
00:26:17,868 --> 00:26:19,452
because you're
getting the goods.
539
00:26:19,453 --> 00:26:22,330
I was so excited, it's
like I'm writing it down,
540
00:26:22,331 --> 00:26:24,416
and I can't believe
he's telling me this stuff.
541
00:26:26,752 --> 00:26:28,711
My name is Harry Reid.
542
00:26:28,712 --> 00:26:33,092
I served in the United States
Congress from 1982 to 2017.
543
00:26:35,177 --> 00:26:37,471
I was born and raised
in Searchlight, Nevada.
544
00:26:39,014 --> 00:26:42,350
Which is about 55 miles
here from Las Vegas.
545
00:26:42,351 --> 00:26:44,310
During the time
that I grew up there,
546
00:26:44,311 --> 00:26:46,771
it was a... mines were gone
547
00:26:46,772 --> 00:26:48,649
and the number-one
business was prostitution.
548
00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:53,820
So, that's the
atmosphere I was raised in.
549
00:26:53,821 --> 00:26:57,532
I can still remember
looking up at the sky
550
00:26:57,533 --> 00:26:59,492
just wondering
what it was all about.
551
00:26:59,493 --> 00:27:02,120
And I always, always
have remembered that.
552
00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:06,040
Harry Reid really stood out
553
00:27:06,041 --> 00:27:08,960
because he was one of the
few members of Congress
554
00:27:08,961 --> 00:27:10,671
who were willing to
talk about this issue.
555
00:27:12,673 --> 00:27:17,343
And he had also gotten secret
funds to start this program.
556
00:27:17,344 --> 00:27:19,554
It was a modest
amount, $22 million,
557
00:27:19,555 --> 00:27:21,639
which is a drop in the bucket
of the Pentagon Budget,
558
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,558
but it was the first
significant amount of money
559
00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:26,644
to be dedicated to
this issue of UFOs.
560
00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:28,479
Well, it's interesting,
561
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,482
you know, my staff, they
said in so many words
562
00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:35,611
"Senator, don't get involved
in this. This is too weird.
563
00:27:35,612 --> 00:27:37,447
It's not gonna
help your career."
564
00:27:39,032 --> 00:27:41,158
Ooh, that is so strange.
565
00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:43,619
It didn't tend to
be a topic that,
566
00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:46,330
that members of the House
or members of the Senate
567
00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:50,710
or people in senior positions
in the executive branch
568
00:27:50,711 --> 00:27:53,212
wanted to embrace.
569
00:27:53,213 --> 00:27:56,632
But I was determined to learn
570
00:27:56,633 --> 00:27:59,051
more about this
and so in spite of
571
00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:01,971
the admonitions for me to
stay the hell away from it,
572
00:28:01,972 --> 00:28:03,640
I went ahead and did it.
573
00:28:04,975 --> 00:28:07,226
Well, God bless Senator Reid.
574
00:28:07,227 --> 00:28:11,814
He was certainly someone
I looked up to and admired.
575
00:28:11,815 --> 00:28:14,650
People want their leaders
and representatives to be bold
576
00:28:14,651 --> 00:28:17,278
and if you're
unwilling to be bold,
577
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:18,906
then why are you in office?
578
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,994
And as I look back over
my involvement in this,
579
00:28:24,995 --> 00:28:27,330
I think, "What if we
hadn't done this?
580
00:28:27,331 --> 00:28:28,915
Where would we be?"
581
00:28:28,916 --> 00:28:32,336
Without the work that we
did, we would be nowhere.
582
00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:36,088
From a scientific standpoint,
583
00:28:36,089 --> 00:28:39,091
technological standpoint,
security of this nation...
584
00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:42,762
These are the reasons we
have to continue looking into this.
585
00:28:42,763 --> 00:28:45,390
- Look at that thing!
- It's rotating!
586
00:28:51,855 --> 00:28:53,439
At the end of the interview
587
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,941
with Senator Reid,
588
00:28:54,942 --> 00:28:56,901
I walked out of the Bellagio
589
00:28:56,902 --> 00:28:59,487
and there's a bridge from
the Bellagio over the Strip
590
00:28:59,488 --> 00:29:02,740
to whatever's on the other
side, and it's a pedestrian bridge.
591
00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:04,617
And I called Leslie and Ralph,
592
00:29:04,618 --> 00:29:06,160
and they were on
the phone with Luis,
593
00:29:06,161 --> 00:29:08,788
so we're in this
four-way phone call
594
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:11,499
and I was like, "He
confirmed everything."
595
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:13,125
Harry Reid had never spoken out
596
00:29:13,126 --> 00:29:14,585
before about this program,
597
00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:16,671
so this was like
the first moment
598
00:29:16,672 --> 00:29:18,506
in which he came
out on the topic.
599
00:29:18,507 --> 00:29:20,216
And that was a big deal.
600
00:29:20,217 --> 00:29:22,259
We were ecstatic because,
601
00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:23,803
that moment, we knew we had it.
602
00:29:23,804 --> 00:29:26,640
It's like, no matter what
happens next, we have the story.
603
00:29:30,018 --> 00:29:32,520
The lead-up to the
actual publication
604
00:29:32,521 --> 00:29:37,608
of the story on December
17th was torturous.
605
00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:39,443
Our editors were
constantly saying
606
00:29:39,444 --> 00:29:41,696
make sure we put
skeptics in there,
607
00:29:41,697 --> 00:29:43,782
we put people
challenging this notion.
608
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:47,785
This caution by our editors
609
00:29:47,786 --> 00:29:50,454
was starting to, naturally,
get on our nerves.
610
00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:51,998
It's like, run the
story already!
611
00:29:51,999 --> 00:29:56,335
We've like dotted every
possible "i" we can dot.
612
00:29:56,336 --> 00:29:57,712
And we knew at this time
613
00:29:57,713 --> 00:30:01,091
that Politico was
chasing the story as well.
614
00:30:03,218 --> 00:30:05,845
It's Saturday morning, they
still haven't posted the story.
615
00:30:05,846 --> 00:30:09,640
I think it's 11 or 12 and
we're hearing from Luis
616
00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:12,852
and from other people
that Politico's about to post
617
00:30:12,853 --> 00:30:14,770
and I am on the
phone with the guy
618
00:30:14,771 --> 00:30:17,064
who's the Saturday editor going,
619
00:30:17,065 --> 00:30:19,400
"Publish just, publish already!"
620
00:30:19,401 --> 00:30:21,193
And he's, he's tinkering around
621
00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:22,862
with "what kind of
headline do we want?"
622
00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:24,739
It's just like
"Publish! Publish!"
623
00:30:24,740 --> 00:30:26,867
And he finally posted the story.
624
00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:31,662
The story is up and I'm
like "Thank God, it's up."
625
00:30:31,663 --> 00:30:34,582
I put my phone in my
pocketbook, I go into Costco,
626
00:30:34,583 --> 00:30:37,918
and I'm buying I don't know
what... tenderloin for Christmas.
627
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:40,296
And, I'm in there
for about an hour
628
00:30:40,297 --> 00:30:45,551
and I come back out and my
phone is like, has blown up.
629
00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:48,095
In a striking exposé
published over the weekend,
630
00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:49,597
the New York Times
revealed the existence...
631
00:30:49,598 --> 00:30:50,806
has confirmed the existence...
632
00:30:50,807 --> 00:30:52,016
of the Advanced Aerospace
633
00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:53,559
threat Identification Program.
634
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,519
People were calling me
635
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:55,895
and there were like texts
636
00:30:55,896 --> 00:31:00,024
and it was just like,
the response was huge.
637
00:31:00,025 --> 00:31:01,692
It was a firestorm.
638
00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:03,235
Tens of millions of
dollars for the project
639
00:31:03,236 --> 00:31:04,737
were pushed through...
640
00:31:04,738 --> 00:31:06,655
It was all over the place.
641
00:31:06,656 --> 00:31:07,907
Unveiled the existence
642
00:31:07,908 --> 00:31:10,367
of a real life
X-Files Department.
643
00:31:10,368 --> 00:31:11,495
It was all over the world.
644
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:18,418
It just went like wildfire.
645
00:31:21,505 --> 00:31:24,298
It was a huge deal.
646
00:31:24,299 --> 00:31:26,842
Why do you think it
attracted so much attention?
647
00:31:26,843 --> 00:31:28,135
I think one of the main reasons
648
00:31:28,136 --> 00:31:29,678
it attracted so much attention
649
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:32,264
was because of those
two videos that we included.
650
00:31:32,265 --> 00:31:33,808
They're all going
against the wind.
651
00:31:33,809 --> 00:31:35,684
The wind is 120
knots to the west.
652
00:31:35,685 --> 00:31:37,394
Look at that thing, dude!
653
00:31:37,395 --> 00:31:39,313
I mean, there's
nothing like watching
654
00:31:39,314 --> 00:31:41,441
a video of a UFO for people.
655
00:31:43,193 --> 00:31:45,653
Those videos garnered
tremendous views,
656
00:31:45,654 --> 00:31:50,241
among the most-watched
videos the Times had ever put up.
657
00:31:50,242 --> 00:31:52,034
So the response was, was huge,
658
00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:55,412
but that was when
I started to realize
659
00:31:55,413 --> 00:32:01,168
just how intense the people
who care about this are,
660
00:32:01,169 --> 00:32:06,423
and just also how equally
intense the skeptics are.
661
00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:08,259
I'm content saying,
that's mysterious.
662
00:32:08,260 --> 00:32:11,053
I don't know, maybe it's a
glitch in the, in the hardware.
663
00:32:11,054 --> 00:32:13,097
And if you're going to say, "No,
it's not a glitch in the hardware,"
664
00:32:13,098 --> 00:32:14,391
are you really sure?
665
00:32:19,312 --> 00:32:21,313
For the navy videos,
666
00:32:21,314 --> 00:32:23,399
there are in fact explanations
667
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,777
that involve nothing more
complex than commercial aircraft
668
00:32:26,778 --> 00:32:29,613
or balloons or things like that.
669
00:32:29,614 --> 00:32:33,117
It doesn't mean they're
necessarily alien craft.
670
00:32:33,118 --> 00:32:34,952
I think that the assumption
671
00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:38,205
that we're being visited
fails on the evidence of it.
672
00:32:38,206 --> 00:32:40,708
But it's not that
it's impossible.
673
00:32:40,709 --> 00:32:43,669
It's just from my point
of view so difficult
674
00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:46,505
to go from one star
system to another.
675
00:32:46,506 --> 00:32:51,218
I think that it's unlikely
these are alien craft.
676
00:32:51,219 --> 00:32:53,762
The universe brims
with mysteries.
677
00:32:53,763 --> 00:32:56,849
And we so want many
of those mysteries
678
00:32:56,850 --> 00:32:59,351
to be a light in the sky
you don't understand,
679
00:32:59,352 --> 00:33:03,397
gee, I want that to
be aliens visiting us.
680
00:33:03,398 --> 00:33:05,191
But for a skeptical scientist,
681
00:33:05,192 --> 00:33:07,861
that would probably
be the last explanation.
682
00:33:09,738 --> 00:33:12,281
The skeptics had two
major points of focus
683
00:33:12,282 --> 00:33:13,782
after our story came out.
684
00:33:13,783 --> 00:33:15,784
One of them was on the videos
685
00:33:15,785 --> 00:33:17,745
because they didn't
necessarily believe
686
00:33:17,746 --> 00:33:21,540
that those videos showed
some kind of anomalous object.
687
00:33:21,541 --> 00:33:24,043
They thought they
could be explained.
688
00:33:24,044 --> 00:33:25,836
The second point
is the skepticism
689
00:33:25,837 --> 00:33:28,797
about these being
extraterrestrial craft
690
00:33:28,798 --> 00:33:32,635
which personally to me
is, is a sort of a disconnect
691
00:33:32,636 --> 00:33:35,304
because we, we're not saying
that they're extraterrestrial.
692
00:33:35,305 --> 00:33:36,932
We're just saying
we can't explain them.
693
00:33:40,518 --> 00:33:43,020
Now, I don't mind
someone being skeptical.
694
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:46,023
I think healthy
skepticism is important.
695
00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:48,400
In the same weird sort of way,
696
00:33:48,401 --> 00:33:51,111
skeptics are really no
different than believers.
697
00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:53,948
They're just on the
opposite end of the argument.
698
00:33:53,949 --> 00:33:55,866
At the end of the day,
699
00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,244
data is what is
going to determine
700
00:33:58,245 --> 00:34:00,121
the validity of something.
701
00:34:02,165 --> 00:34:03,958
Well, if humanity
wants to understand
702
00:34:03,959 --> 00:34:06,126
what is causing this phenomenon,
703
00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:08,712
then we need to do
real scientific study
704
00:34:08,713 --> 00:34:11,090
and that means we
need to collect data.
705
00:34:11,091 --> 00:34:14,176
We need to analyze
that data and understand
706
00:34:14,177 --> 00:34:16,929
how it might be possible
for that phenomenon
707
00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:19,807
to fit within the
laws of physics.
708
00:34:19,808 --> 00:34:22,226
Now watch the way
this thing starts to turn.
709
00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:24,353
But we can't speculate
about what it is.
710
00:34:24,354 --> 00:34:26,313
We can't just
imagine what it is.
711
00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:30,693
You're looking between
20 and 25,000 feet in altitude
712
00:34:30,694 --> 00:34:34,571
and this thing, when it turns
sideways, doesn't go down.
713
00:34:34,572 --> 00:34:36,782
We need real, hard data.
714
00:34:36,783 --> 00:34:40,160
This 99.9 and range 99,
715
00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:41,996
uh, those are
indications that my radar
716
00:34:41,997 --> 00:34:43,206
is receiving jamming cues.
717
00:34:44,582 --> 00:34:47,084
It's possible that these objects
718
00:34:47,085 --> 00:34:50,004
represent a threat
to the United States.
719
00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:51,797
It's behaving in strange ways.
720
00:34:51,798 --> 00:34:53,048
It has an aura around it.
721
00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:54,425
Then we need to know
722
00:34:54,426 --> 00:34:55,592
exactly what they are,
723
00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:57,970
so that we can
respond accordingly.
724
00:34:57,971 --> 00:35:01,599
And so, I think it's
extremely important for us
725
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,893
to understand unidentified
aerial phenomenon.
726
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:10,065
After the New York Times story
727
00:35:10,066 --> 00:35:12,776
was blasted out on the
internet on a Saturday,
728
00:35:12,777 --> 00:35:14,987
the story ended
up on the front page
729
00:35:14,988 --> 00:35:17,740
of the Sunday New York Times.
730
00:35:17,741 --> 00:35:19,867
And then it was a
whole inside page
731
00:35:19,868 --> 00:35:22,203
when you opened it up,
so it was a long piece.
732
00:35:23,622 --> 00:35:26,540
During all the years
I'd covered UFOs,
733
00:35:26,541 --> 00:35:28,876
I had access to some newspapers,
734
00:35:28,877 --> 00:35:32,921
but they weren't at the
caliber of the New York Times.
735
00:35:32,922 --> 00:35:37,718
And so to see a story on the
front page of that newspaper
736
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,470
just meant everything to me.
737
00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:41,597
Did you know it was going
to be on the front page?
738
00:35:41,598 --> 00:35:42,723
No.
739
00:35:42,724 --> 00:35:43,849
No, I did not know
740
00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:46,226
it was gonna be
on the front page.
741
00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:47,854
It was, um...
742
00:35:49,939 --> 00:35:52,232
wow, looking
back, it's a little pr...
743
00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:54,193
I haven't thought
about that in a long time.
744
00:35:54,194 --> 00:35:57,321
Uh, it was profound.
745
00:35:57,322 --> 00:35:58,697
Not only had the New York Times
746
00:35:58,698 --> 00:36:00,699
rarely covered UFOs at all,
747
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,787
and when they had, they
were usually kind of ridiculing it.
748
00:36:05,455 --> 00:36:07,956
It's really the fodder
more for late night
749
00:36:07,957 --> 00:36:11,585
talk shows than it is
for front-page reporting.
750
00:36:11,586 --> 00:36:13,754
We are back with President Bush.
751
00:36:13,755 --> 00:36:16,340
Did you go through
the secret files,
752
00:36:16,341 --> 00:36:17,634
the UFO documents?
753
00:36:18,968 --> 00:36:20,303
I'm not telling you nothin'.
754
00:36:22,097 --> 00:36:23,472
When it comes to aliens,
755
00:36:23,473 --> 00:36:26,433
there's some things I
just can't tell you on-air.
756
00:36:26,434 --> 00:36:27,643
But you'll tell us off-air?
757
00:36:27,644 --> 00:36:29,312
Great!
758
00:36:31,439 --> 00:36:33,524
But the New York Times piece,
759
00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:38,154
it kinda opened up that
you could treat this seriously.
760
00:36:39,906 --> 00:36:43,200
What it did is it removed
761
00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:47,371
a lot of the stigma that was
attached to the UFO world.
762
00:36:47,372 --> 00:36:50,999
Now, instead of
looking at it as a joke,
763
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,252
we can start looking
at these objects
764
00:36:53,253 --> 00:36:54,753
from a scientific standpoint.
765
00:36:54,754 --> 00:36:56,672
We can gather the information,
766
00:36:56,673 --> 00:36:59,425
we can gather the data
and then have experts
767
00:36:59,426 --> 00:37:03,637
who are qualified, analyze
it in a systematic way.
768
00:37:03,638 --> 00:37:05,514
And so that's why
I think it's important
769
00:37:05,515 --> 00:37:08,143
to destigmatize the issue.
770
00:37:09,728 --> 00:37:11,770
One reason that article
was so compelling
771
00:37:11,771 --> 00:37:16,358
and so good is that
it was just very factual
772
00:37:16,359 --> 00:37:18,235
based on scientific evidence
773
00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:20,154
and I think that was
the beginning of the,
774
00:37:20,155 --> 00:37:21,405
having the American people
775
00:37:21,406 --> 00:37:23,657
and probably the
world take a look at this,
776
00:37:23,658 --> 00:37:26,452
these areas of
Unidentified Flying Objects
777
00:37:26,453 --> 00:37:29,496
more intensely
than they had before.
778
00:37:29,497 --> 00:37:31,290
So the New York Times article
779
00:37:31,291 --> 00:37:33,918
generated a lot of
questions among people.
780
00:37:35,044 --> 00:37:36,628
"Whoa," you know?
781
00:37:36,629 --> 00:37:37,963
They're studying these objects
782
00:37:37,964 --> 00:37:39,715
and we don't know what they are?
783
00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:41,467
Where, where's all
the intelligence data?
784
00:37:41,468 --> 00:37:43,594
How come we
didn't know anything?
785
00:37:43,595 --> 00:37:46,180
And they demonstrate technology
that we don't seem to have?
786
00:37:46,181 --> 00:37:48,266
And we didn't even
know about this?
787
00:37:50,894 --> 00:37:52,728
There's no doubt
that there are objects
788
00:37:52,729 --> 00:37:54,313
that are seen that
behave in ways
789
00:37:54,314 --> 00:37:56,648
that are not natural
for this planet
790
00:37:56,649 --> 00:37:59,318
or for this environment.
791
00:37:59,319 --> 00:38:02,113
This is a phenomenon
we do not yet understand.
792
00:38:05,283 --> 00:38:07,743
There's nothing wrong
with us not understanding it,
793
00:38:07,744 --> 00:38:09,203
there are many
things in the Universe
794
00:38:09,204 --> 00:38:10,662
that we do not understand.
795
00:38:10,663 --> 00:38:15,501
But it asks us, to
investigate, to learn more,
796
00:38:15,502 --> 00:38:18,712
just as we'd wanna learn
more about any of the stars
797
00:38:18,713 --> 00:38:21,799
or galaxies we
see in the Universe.
798
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,217
Any of the new creatures we find
799
00:38:23,218 --> 00:38:26,512
at the bottom of our
oceans here on this planet,
800
00:38:26,513 --> 00:38:28,515
we wanna learn
more about this too.
801
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,518
My hope is that
802
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:36,438
we will use the U.S.
intelligence community
803
00:38:36,439 --> 00:38:39,358
to solve this mystery
once and for all,
804
00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:42,027
to find out, where
are they coming from?
805
00:38:42,028 --> 00:38:45,531
Who's behind them?
What is the agenda?
806
00:38:45,532 --> 00:38:49,576
We have the means and
the capability to do that
807
00:38:49,577 --> 00:38:51,995
if we set our minds
to it as a nation.
808
00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:53,956
Unfortunately,
809
00:38:53,957 --> 00:38:56,083
the government has
been pretty secretive
810
00:38:56,084 --> 00:38:59,211
about providing hard
data to better understand
811
00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:01,130
what this phenomenon might be.
812
00:39:03,258 --> 00:39:07,469
So, right now, what we still
have is a lot of speculation,
813
00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:12,808
a lot of "what ifs," and
no hard information.
814
00:39:12,809 --> 00:39:14,643
The biggest question
that remains for me is,
815
00:39:14,644 --> 00:39:18,021
what else do they have
inside the government?
816
00:39:18,022 --> 00:39:21,942
What do they actually
know about UFOs?
817
00:39:21,943 --> 00:39:24,821
And why can't more be
released to the public?
818
00:39:26,322 --> 00:39:28,282
And this is a, a big question
819
00:39:28,283 --> 00:39:30,200
because we spent so long
820
00:39:30,201 --> 00:39:33,036
obfuscating the
truth about this topic,
821
00:39:33,037 --> 00:39:35,289
that we've somewhat
backed ourselves into a corner,
822
00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:37,958
a corner for over 70 years.
823
00:39:37,959 --> 00:39:39,501
Mr. Secretary, there
have been charges
824
00:39:39,502 --> 00:39:42,462
that the Air Force for reasons
best known to the Air Force
825
00:39:42,463 --> 00:39:44,673
is hiding something
in the UFO field.
826
00:39:44,674 --> 00:39:47,175
What is that, if anything?
827
00:39:47,176 --> 00:39:48,343
And I do not think
828
00:39:48,344 --> 00:39:50,929
this is a conversation
like fine wine
829
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:53,765
where the longer we keep
a cork on it, the better it gets.
830
00:39:53,766 --> 00:39:56,602
I think this is a conversation
more like rotten vegetables
831
00:39:56,603 --> 00:39:57,644
in the refrigerator,
832
00:39:57,645 --> 00:39:59,229
and the longer
we don't address it,
833
00:39:59,230 --> 00:40:01,523
the more it's
gonna start to smell.
834
00:40:01,524 --> 00:40:04,318
There is nothing
in Air Force files
835
00:40:04,319 --> 00:40:06,028
that come to a conclusion
836
00:40:06,029 --> 00:40:09,115
that spaceships
have visited the Earth.
837
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:14,077
I assume that the
secrecy is just because
838
00:40:14,078 --> 00:40:16,622
that is what they do
in the government.
839
00:40:16,623 --> 00:40:18,123
There's so many programs
840
00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:20,876
going on in that building
that they don't talk about.
841
00:40:20,877 --> 00:40:22,669
You know, they
classify everything.
842
00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:27,424
It just adds to the
mysteriousness of it.
843
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:29,885
We should never be afraid
of what we don't know.
844
00:40:29,886 --> 00:40:32,471
That is an absurd reaction.
845
00:40:32,472 --> 00:40:33,805
The target is 3 degrees
846
00:40:33,806 --> 00:40:35,265
to the left of my nose
847
00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:38,602
and it's 5 degrees
below my nose.
848
00:40:38,603 --> 00:40:42,147
Not knowing is where
you start your inquiry.
849
00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,650
So, we were operating in
and around these waters,
850
00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:46,193
off the coast.
851
00:40:46,194 --> 00:40:48,987
It doesn't mean it's
where you end your inquiry.
852
00:40:48,988 --> 00:40:51,031
And that's where I
think the U.S. Military,
853
00:40:51,032 --> 00:40:53,534
if they haven't been
doing the work, is mistaken.
854
00:40:59,624 --> 00:41:01,792
Oh, my God!
855
00:41:01,793 --> 00:41:03,377
Don't look like no plane!
856
00:41:03,378 --> 00:41:06,797
- Don't look like no helicopter.
- What the is it?
857
00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:11,134
UFO sightings burst
into the news in 1947.
858
00:41:11,135 --> 00:41:13,720
These sightings have
continued ever since.
859
00:41:13,721 --> 00:41:15,305
The Air Force made the effort
860
00:41:15,306 --> 00:41:18,725
to clear the air about
the phenomenon.
861
00:41:18,726 --> 00:41:22,062
There's nothing to hide at all.
862
00:41:22,063 --> 00:41:25,232
I was stunned that we
didn't have the integrity
863
00:41:25,233 --> 00:41:27,317
to pursue this.
864
00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:30,320
The U.S. government
closed its study of UFOs.
865
00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:32,489
And so the work
fell into the hands
866
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:33,907
of civilian groups.
867
00:41:33,908 --> 00:41:36,660
UFO reports not
only exist but persist.
868
00:41:36,661 --> 00:41:38,787
I mean, it's a definite UFO.
869
00:41:38,788 --> 00:41:40,956
The government
owes it to this country
870
00:41:40,957 --> 00:41:44,292
to investigate sightings
of extraordinary objects.
871
00:41:44,293 --> 00:41:46,128
It covered the whole entire sky.
872
00:41:46,129 --> 00:41:49,631
People want to know,
is this otherworldly?
873
00:41:49,632 --> 00:41:53,260
This could be one of the biggest
events in all of human history.
874
00:41:53,261 --> 00:41:55,304
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