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[Drake Bell] Back then...
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It was a different time,
so I think it was
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a little easier to go to
and from a courthouse
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and not worry about Twitter
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that night or TMZ paparazzi's
being there.
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On the day of sentencing
for Brian,
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I get to the courthouse.
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[scoffs]
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It was the most
unbelievable thing
I'd ever seen.
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His entire side of
the courtroom
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was full.
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Full.
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There were definitely
some recognizable faces
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on that side of the room.
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And my side was...
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me, my mom, and my brother.
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Brian had been convicted,
but getting all of
this support
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from a lot of people
in the industry and...
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Yeah, I was pretty shocked.
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My mom got up.
She had a statement.
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I wasn't going
to address Brian.
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There was no reason to.
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I addressed my statement
to everyone in the room.
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I looked at all of them.
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And I just said,
"How dare you?"
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And I said,
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"You will forever have
the memory of sitting in
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this courtroom and defending
this person.
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And I will forever have
the memory of the person
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you're defending
violating me...
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and doing unspeakable acts
and crimes.
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And that's what
I'll remember."
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[opening theme music playing]
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[Kate] In the end,
Brian pleads no contest
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to two charges of
child sexual abuse.
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And the judge sentences him
to 16 months in jail
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and ordered him to register
as a sex offender.
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But we wanted to understand
who in Hollywood
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was supporting Brian
through this.
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So we petitioned the court
to unseal
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the letters of support
in this case.
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Letters of support are meant
to influence the judge
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during the sentencing.
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In this case,
most of them are asking
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the judge just to give
Brian probation.
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These 41 letters
have been kept under seal
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for two decades.
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Some are from family,
some are from friends.
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Dan Schneider does not write
a letter.
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Top executives at Nickelodeon
do not write letters,
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but some are
from Hollywood insiders.
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You have the actor
James Marsden.
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He writes in the letter,
[reading line]
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James Marsden writes that
he's known Brian Peck
for 14 years,
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since Marsden himself
was a teenager.
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Taran Killam also wrote
a letter of support.
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He writes, "I've seen
the effects this situation
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has had on Brian,
and I know for a fact that
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he regrets any mistakes made."
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Some other people who
wrote letters of support
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include the famous sitcom dad,
Alan Thicke.
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The X-Men producer,
Tom DeSanto.
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Ron Melendez,
another very well-known actor.
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Rider Strong wrote
a letter of support for Brian.
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And Will Friedle from
Boy Meets World.
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We don't know exactly what
these people were told about
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Brian's crimes before
they wrote the letters.
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And we don't know which of
these people, if any,
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were in the courtroom
for Brian's sentencing.
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But these letters show
how strong the support
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for Brian Peck was with people
with industry connections.
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Outside of these individuals,
there were over a dozen
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other letter writers
who used similar language
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to blame the victim,
saying that this
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wouldn't have happened
unless Brian was tempted.
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Joanna Kerns,
who met Brian
when she was acting
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on Growing Pains, wrote,
"I can only believe that
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there must have been
some extreme situation
or temptation
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exerted upon him
to influence his actions."
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Kimmy Robertson
is an actress.
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She wrote,
[reading line]
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This logic is just
victim-blaming.
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When this minor suffered
at the hands of an adult
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who was in a very senior,
almost parental position
to them.
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There are people who worked
with Brian and Drake
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on The Amanda Show,
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like the director,
Rich Correll,
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and the stage manager,
Beth Correll.
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Rich says that,
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"it would be my pleasure
to work with him again."
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In fact, Brian Peck
does end up working
with the Corrells again
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on the Disney Channel show,
Suite Life of Zack and Cody.
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It shows that there are not
enough protections in place
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to keep even convicted
sexual predators off
of kids' TV shows.
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[Anne] In 2005,
there was another case.
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Ezell Channel,
a worker at
the Nickelodeon lot
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in Burbank,
he brought a child to the lot,
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a boy, and was convicted of
abusing that child on the lot.
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He actually had prior
convictions as a sex offender,
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and Nickelodeon
didn't catch it.
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Jason Michael Handy,
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Brian Peck,
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and then Ezell Channel.
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These are three predators
who worked at Nickelodeon,
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all in a short amount of time.
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[Kate] Around this time,
Nickelodeon did expand
its policy
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around background checks
to include freelancers.
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When you look at
having multiple
child predators
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who worked at Nickelodeon,
it raises some confusing
questions
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on who to hold accountable.
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I don't think that
you can blame Schneider
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for hiring Brian Peck
because he was not
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a registered sex offender
when he hired him.
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Drake very explicitly does not
blame Dan for any of this.
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But it's clear that the system
needs to look at
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if it is doing enough
to protect children.
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Oh, that's not so bad.
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-It's not so bad?
-No, it's all right.
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[Kate] After these arrests,
Nickelodeon only grows.
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Hey. Thank you for being here.
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-[indistinct chatter]
-[woman] Jamie, this way!
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It was actually
my first time acting on TV,
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so it's really fun for me.
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The mid-2000s is somewhat of
a golden era for Nickelodeon.
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There is a spate of
popular new shows.
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Dan Schneider is helping
launch a new era of
breakout stars.
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Jamie Lynn Spears in Zoey 101.
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-Zoey!
-Hi!
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Hi!
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[Scaachi] Victoria Justice
in Victorious.
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Just let me... [screams]
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Ariana Grande,
who we now know
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as a very famous pop star,
and Jeanette McCurdy
in Sam and Cat.
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I am really smart.
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This is also the time
that Drake and Josh
really takes off.
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If you've got a tween
to a teen in the house,
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then you know Drake and Josh.
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People know you from
the Drake and Josh Show
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on Nickelodeon,
hugely popular.
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[Scaachi] Nickelodeon is
making a lot of money,
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and Dan Schneider
is becoming even
more successful
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and more powerful,
an even bigger name
in his own right.
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His shows are
cultural juggernauts,
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especially iCarly starring
Miranda Cosgrove.
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I'm Carly Shay,
and this is our
very first webcast
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of a little show
we call iCarly.
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If you've got a child aged
nine to 12,
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or even a daughter like mine
who's 14,
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chances are she's watched
Nickelodeon's iCarly.
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It is a ratings blockbuster.
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-[all laughing]
-[man] And that's our show!
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[all cheering]
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It hit at just a particular
cultural moment.
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It was the early years of
the Internet.
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iCarly is this Internet show.
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It felt cutting edge
to teenagers who saw it.
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This is pre-YouTube
generation.
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So there was also
this component of real life
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that I think hit people
in a way that
his other shows didn't.
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And because it did,
it just exploded.
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At one point,
they did an episode
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where Michelle Obama shows up
on it.
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I'm on iCarly!
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With the success of iCarly,
Dan is able to
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consolidate power at
Nickelodeon in
a whole new way.
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And this is around the time
that the Disney Channel
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starts truly competing
with Nickelodeon.
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They had massive hits
like Hannah Montana
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and The Suite Life
of Zack and Cody.
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So as Nickelodeon
is facing all of
this competition,
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Dan is their answer.
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It really launches Dan
into this whole new level
of stardom.
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[reporter] He's Dan Schneider,
a man with a gift,
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the gift of knowing
what is funny to people of
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a certain age, say,
12 or nine.
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What do you got going
that other folks
aren't figuring out?
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For one thing,
I am always trying to outdo
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the last thing that I did.
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Fred Wad.
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[Rick]
Dan Schneider was always
really tech-savvy.
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He loves technology.
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And so when the web started
becoming popular,
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he was one of the first people
out there, you know,
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doing videos.
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[Dan] Oh, she almost sits,
but she fakes out
the cameraman, which is me.
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[Rick]
Posting videos on social media
and original stuff.
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Some of these seem
pretty innocuous,
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where it's Dan recording
the editing bay.
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[Dan] I'm in the editing
room of iCarly,
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and we're working on
the next episode.
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Okay, take one.
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[Kate] Or the writer's room.
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[Dan] Okay,
this is Dan Schneider.
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I'm here with some of
the iCarly writers.
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Hello, iCarly writers.
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But in these videos,
you can really see
the power play
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between him and his cast.
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It's a lot of him getting into
people's physical space,
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and you can see palpable
discomfort on people's faces.
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[Dan whispers]
Trying to scare Jeanette.
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[Scaachi] There's one video
in particular where Dan
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creeps behind Jeanette
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-[Dan yells]
-[screams]
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[Scaachi] It scares her.
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My gosh,
that scared me so much.
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But she can't say,
I didn't like that,
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or she can't not have
a sense of humor about it,
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and she can't not play
with it,
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because she has to.
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-[screams]
-Oh.
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You have to be nice,
because that's the only way
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that you're gonna get through.
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-Whoo!
-[all laughing]
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For Dan, it was about power
at that point.
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And when you are someone
who wants more and more power,
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eventually you're gonna fly
too close to the sun.
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One, two, three!
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[Dan] The kid audience
is definitely my bread
and butter.
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I mean, that's what
I'm paid to do.
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I'm paid to get kids
all the way from six to 14
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glued to TV sets.
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That's my goal.
That's the sweet spot.
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[Kate] By the late 2000s,
Dan had more control than
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pretty much any showrunner
at Nickelodeon.
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He had created his own
little fiefdom.
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[Dan] All right,
we're getting ready to fly.
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[Scaachi] But his style had
a little bit of edge in it.
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It also really pushed
the boundaries of sexualizing
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young girls.
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It's so cold!
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Wanna get slapped
with a sausage?
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Sure.
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[Kate] There are jokes about
being slapped with a sausage.
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There's a joke about
being on the wood.
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I want to be on the wood.
What's the wood?
I want to be on it.
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You have actors shaking
weights in a way
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that seems
very clearly sexual.
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And these actors,
for the most part, are minors.
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♪ Gonna make it on my own
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Another of Dan's shows,
Zoey 101,
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is this high school
boarding school,
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California experience.
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I was 12 years old
when I started Zoey 101.
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Ooh, cute boy to the left,
green shirt, backpack.
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When I look back at it,
my character
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was there for the boys.
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Nicole was the archetype
of male gaze female,
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where she was girly,
very short,
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short skirts and pink.
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Like kid eye candy.
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How about this top?
You like this top?
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It makes me look chesty.
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We don't need to be
hyper-conservative
of bodies,
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but that didn't represent even
me as a girl at that age.
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[costumer] Definitely Dan
liked cute, pretty, flirty.
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I worked in the wardrobe
department on Zoey 101.
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I always thought that Dan
had a little bit of
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an arrested development,
and he was like that boy that
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wanted the cute girl
to like him.
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I cannot believe I have
two book reports due
in one month.
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[Scaachi] You put
these girls in bikinis
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and bathing suits,
which is fine.
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I think teenage girls
should feel free to wear
whatever they'd like.
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But when you are using
nubile sexuality
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as a marketing tool,
that's where it gets sticky.
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One of the most disturbing
memories that I have
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would probably be
the backpack episode
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with Jamie Lynn Spears.
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You just bite the tip.
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There are these goo pops,
and my character
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can't get it open.
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It's not coming out.
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And it ends up...
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squirting onto Jamie's face.
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So the prop person comes onto
set with a syringe.
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We all, like, stood behind
the camera to watch.
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It lands on her face.
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So first it was Dan roaring,
laughing,
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and then everyone
kind of giggling.
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We heard the boys saying,
"It's a [bleep] shot."
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And I had no idea...
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what that meant.
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Once I saw it again
as an adult
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was when that memory
came back.
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I was like, "Oh, oh, oh, oh."
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Wasn't funny.
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It still isn't funny to me,
to be honest.
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It's just like, that's a kid.
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And she was on set that day
and...
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Sorry.
Just as a mom, like,
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If my daughter was ever put in
the... It's gross.
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Like, there's just...
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It's appalling behavior on
all the adults' behalf
that day.
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In my mind,
a kids' show should be
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exactly what it is,
a kids' show.
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And sometimes there were
scenes where there was a prop
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that was like...
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What's he doing?
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Hmm, that could be
a sexual innuendo.
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Those are good ones.
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Mmm.
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[Alexa] Dan went overboard
and just zoomed in
too often on the feet.
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Wow, they're really soft.
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Zoomed in too often on
the tongue licking things
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or something that
just went too far.
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[woman] Was anyone able
to say anything
or is that like...
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Oh, no, no.
This is, it's Dan's baby.
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Dan was Nickelodeon's
golden boy.
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And even if he and the network
were at odds,
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he had the power to push back.
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It was very hard to say
anything to him.
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And his show, Victorious,
took this to a whole
new level.
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With that show,
there were online extras that
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the network did not fully know
how to deal with.
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Time for your nap, tomatoes.
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In some of them,
you see Ariana putting
tomatoes in a bra.
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Check this out.
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[Kate] There are several
scenes with Ariana Grande
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that are really I think
almost difficult to see
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as anything but sexual
watching them now.
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Mmm, I'm thirsty.
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[squeals]
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-[grunts]
-[Scaachi]
She's effectively massaging
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a potato.
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Come on, give up the juice.
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[Scaachi] That's a little...
[chuckles]
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[bleep] shaped perhaps.
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We're adults,
so we know what's going on,
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but this is a show for kids.
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So...
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who is sexual innuendo for
on a kids show?
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Help me up on this thing.
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It's legal and there's nothing
actionable about it,
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Just lift me.
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...but there is a nebulousness
around it,
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but it's morally murky.
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At the end of the day,
I love it when the cast gets
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sassy with me because I get
to write all the scripts
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with some
very talented writers,
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but I get to,
I can put them in
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any horrible predicament
I choose.
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You can touch their hair,
you can take a picture
with them,
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you can ask them
personal questions,
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inappropriate ones,
whatever you want to do.
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Dan, he behaved in a way
that was pretty concerning
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and problematic,
especially when it
comes to women,
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and how he treated people
as a boss on set.
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[costumer] Something that was
always really uncomfortable
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was walking onto set
and seeing who Dan
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had talked into giving him
a massage.
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It was almost always
a female and it was often one
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from the wardrobe department.
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It was humiliating.
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I remember one time
sitting next to a colleague
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and she got a text
from him saying,
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"Come and massage me
on the set."
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and she said, "My God,
doesn't he know I'm doing
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two shows?
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I'm so busy,"
and I could see that
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she was distraught,
but she went anyway.
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It definitely felt like
a form of sexual harassment.
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00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:08,860
There was always someone
massaging him.
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00:20:08,860 --> 00:20:14,000
That's, like, all I remember
was some person on set
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00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,370
massaging that guy.
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00:20:15,370 --> 00:20:19,170
Dan was asking for
this incredibly
inappropriate thing
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00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,000
for almost two decades.
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00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,270
He was asking people
at work to touch him.
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00:20:24,270 --> 00:20:27,270
Everyone knew it,
from New York to California.
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00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:29,480
So who would we go to?
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00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,270
Who could we possibly go to
to complain about this?
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[Rick]
Nickelodeon could
have been there
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to be a buffer more
than they were.
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00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,480
And I don't think the network
was ever close to doing that.
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Why wouldn't anybody
do anything?
Why didn't they stop him?
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[indistinct chatter]
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00:20:46,750 --> 00:20:49,480
It felt like somebody
needed to rein him in,
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00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,030
and he wasn't reined in.
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[upbeat music playing]
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[Kate] In 2014, we have
the Kids' Choice Awards.
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[all cheering]
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This is Nickelodeon's
big night to celebrate
their stars.
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[Ariana] As far as award shows
or anything goes,
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Nickelodeon always does it
the funnest,
you know what I mean?
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Nickelodeon is known for
being fun and messy and gross.
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It's also the awards where
Dan is being celebrated.
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I'm happy to be here
to honor Dan.
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He's created so many
amazing shows.
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Dan Schneider wins his
Lifetime Achievement Award.
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[Kate] He is surrounded by
so many different people
from all his shows.
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They're talking about
how great he is.
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Thank you, Dan.
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00:21:34,030 --> 00:21:35,790
You're an inspiration!
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00:21:35,790 --> 00:21:39,370
Speaking about how key
he was to their careers.
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You not only changed
all of our lives,
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you changed Kids TV.
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But there is one person
that does not show up.
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And that is Jeanette McCurdy,
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00:21:52,790 --> 00:21:55,030
who was the co-star
on Sam and Cat.
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People were just thinking,
"Oh, that's odd."
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00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,860
She's one of the primary
people on one of his shows.
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00:22:02,930 --> 00:22:05,650
She's been with
this guy forever.
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00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,130
Why is she not there?
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00:22:11,790 --> 00:22:13,790
[Scaachi] Eight years later,
Jeanette McCurdy publishes
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a memoir about her life
as a child star,
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00:22:16,410 --> 00:22:19,750
about the abuse that
she suffered at the hands
of her mother.
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00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:24,340
But the memoir also answers
a lot of really complicated
questions
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00:22:24,410 --> 00:22:28,060
about working as a child actor
and about Dan Schneider,
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00:22:28,060 --> 00:22:30,750
who she began working
with around age 13.
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You pull back the curtain
on child stardom.
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-It is not a pretty picture.
-Not as I see it, no.
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[Scaachi]
In Jeanette's memoir,
she writes about
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an unnamed
television show creator,
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and a lot of people
have speculated that
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that person is Dan Schneider.
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She writes,
"I feel like The Creator
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has two distinct sides.
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One is generous
and over-the-top
complimentary.
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00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,550
The other side
is mean-spirited,
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controlling, and terrifying."
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She's also talked in a podcast
about how this treatment
felt abusive.
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00:23:00,650 --> 00:23:03,240
There was a very abusive
producer on that show,
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00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,960
and that would not
have gone well
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00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,860
if I tried to communicate
that to him.
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00:23:06,930 --> 00:23:09,860
"He'll call people idiots,
buffoons, stupid,
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00:23:09,930 --> 00:23:14,340
dumb, sloppy, careless,
and spineless.
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00:23:14,410 --> 00:23:17,200
The creator knows how to make
someone feel worthless."
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00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,240
[indistinct on-set chatter]
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[Kate] Dan's treatment of
people on his shows was
an open secret.
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For the crew,
if you messed up,
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00:23:32,860 --> 00:23:34,370
even if it was
a minor mistake,
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Dan would be someone
who would be willing
to humiliate you
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00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,550
or fire you on the spot.
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00:23:40,340 --> 00:23:44,060
[Rick] The description I got
from someone was
that everything
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00:23:44,060 --> 00:23:48,750
that Dan Schneider did
is a DEFCON 10 event.
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00:23:48,750 --> 00:23:51,960
Dan Schneider was convinced
that everything that he did,
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00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,240
the, quote,
"Passion of the way he reacted
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and the way that
he approached people,"
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00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:58,440
that's what made
this magic happen.
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00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,170
That's what made these shows
a success.
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00:24:01,890 --> 00:24:06,790
[Scaachi] Culturally,
we are still doing
the tortured genius routine.
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00:24:06,790 --> 00:24:10,100
So if a guy's
a total piece of [bleep],
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he must be so good at his job.
[chuckles]
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00:24:15,030 --> 00:24:16,650
[Jennette]
There's a lot of abuse
that happens.
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I mean,
even talking about it now,
my face gets hot.
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00:24:19,890 --> 00:24:21,340
You know,
he'd say things like,
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00:24:21,410 --> 00:24:23,580
"You would work at Yogurtland
if you didn't work for me."
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00:24:23,580 --> 00:24:25,030
And he would just scream.
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00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,030
[Kate]
Jeanette's experience gets
a lot worse on Sam and Cat.
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And this is happening at
the same time
Jeanette's mom dies.
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[Kate] She took less than
a week break from filming.
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And her quick return is
something that people on set
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told us that
they were disturbed by.
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[Rick] The situation got
so stressful on the set of
Sam and Cat.
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Nickelodeon launched
an internal investigation.
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00:24:54,620 --> 00:24:57,440
[Kate] I learned that Dan
is seen as kind of
contributing
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00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,550
to this toxic culture
that is happening
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and that is really making
this show a difficult place
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for many people to work.
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[all laughing]
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00:25:08,170 --> 00:25:10,340
[Kate] After
the investigation,
Dan Schneider
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was no longer allowed
to really interact with
the cast anymore.
463
00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:17,790
Dan has always been such
a hands-on showrunner,
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00:25:17,790 --> 00:25:23,000
so for Dan,
this is the biggest punishment
you can imagine.
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[Rick] When you look at
the industry as a whole,
this never happens.
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You would be hard-pressed
to find another show
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where they're saying, "Look,
we don't trust the guy
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00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:32,890
running the show
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00:25:32,890 --> 00:25:36,340
to deal with people
in a humane way."
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00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:39,170
But they also don't want
to get rid of him.
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He creates hits.
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00:25:41,170 --> 00:25:43,130
There's money to be made.
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00:25:43,130 --> 00:25:46,370
[Scaachi] Dan Schneider can
get away with it because
he's Dan Schneider.
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And powerful people in
the entertainment space
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will make allowances for
anybody who is successful.
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00:25:53,030 --> 00:25:56,000
Until something happens
that you cannot ignore.
477
00:26:10,060 --> 00:26:11,650
[dramatic music playing]
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In 2017, three years after Dan
is banned from working
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directly with his own actors
on the set of Sam and Cat,
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00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,860
he's back on set
at Nickelodeon with
two new shows,
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00:26:27,930 --> 00:26:29,860
Henry Danger and Game Shakers.
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00:26:29,860 --> 00:26:32,680
I booked you a massage
with the massage squad.
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00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,890
But around this time,
something has shifted
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culturally around workplace
harassment and toxicity.
485
00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:40,580
[reporter 1] Millions of women
across the country
486
00:26:40,580 --> 00:26:42,960
-using the hashtag MeToo.
- [reporter 2] MeToo.
487
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,270
[reporter 3]
The MeToo phenomenon.
488
00:26:44,270 --> 00:26:45,860
[reporter 4] Several
allegations of
sexual harassment
489
00:26:45,930 --> 00:26:46,890
against Harvey Weinstein.
490
00:26:46,890 --> 00:26:48,240
[reporter 5 ] This morning,
Kevin Spacey,
491
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:50,370
-Undersire,
- [reporter 6] R. Kelly,
Bill Cosby.
492
00:26:50,370 --> 00:26:52,860
[reporter 7]
The MeToo movement
exploding overnight.
493
00:26:52,930 --> 00:26:54,930
[reporter 8]
And the accusations
just keep coming.
494
00:26:57,060 --> 00:27:00,130
[costumer] I decided
I'd had enough when
the MeToo movement
495
00:27:00,130 --> 00:27:05,750
made it okay to talk about
hostile work environments.
496
00:27:07,270 --> 00:27:11,060
I felt like I could
finally call up my union
497
00:27:11,060 --> 00:27:14,000
and let them know that
there had been some stuff
498
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,000
going on that
it was inappropriate that
499
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,960
he asked for massages
from females weekly
500
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,550
if not daily
and this is not right.
501
00:27:23,550 --> 00:27:25,130
Something has to be done.
502
00:27:26,130 --> 00:27:29,550
The union representative said
I wasn't the only one
503
00:27:29,550 --> 00:27:33,100
who had shown my shock
and displeasure that
504
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:34,440
this was allowed to go on.
505
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,750
And that they were looking
into it.
506
00:27:42,790 --> 00:27:44,750
A lot of rumors
were circulating around
507
00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:48,410
Dan Schneider,
and these really
exploded online.
508
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,440
In 2017,
Nickelodeon launches yet
509
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:56,440
another investigation
into Dan Schneider.
510
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,480
It's not because they have
a smoking gun,
511
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,650
it's because the Me Too
movement has helped us
512
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,000
sort of rethink and reevaluate
what we think is appropriate
513
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,720
and not appropriate
in the workplace.
514
00:28:07,030 --> 00:28:10,550
And then my supervisor
actually called me
515
00:28:10,620 --> 00:28:11,860
and told me that...
516
00:28:14,060 --> 00:28:16,030
yeah, Dan wouldn't be
coming back.
517
00:28:31,890 --> 00:28:36,790
[Kate] For Dan to be ousted
from Nickelodeon is
a huge shock.
518
00:28:36,790 --> 00:28:39,310
He did not see this coming.
519
00:28:40,890 --> 00:28:43,960
[Rick] He issues a couple
statements, basically,
520
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,240
"Oh, you know,
I need some time off.
521
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,440
I'm just, you know,
I'm working on my life."
522
00:28:57,030 --> 00:28:59,000
[Kate] But behind the scenes.
523
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,030
Nickelodeon literally changes
the locks of this place
524
00:29:03,030 --> 00:29:04,860
that he turned into an empire.
525
00:29:08,170 --> 00:29:11,000
[Rick] They gave him an amount
that was reported at the time
526
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,480
at about $7 million.
527
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,410
You know, it was just a really
quick, really sharp break.
528
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,340
[Kate] This investigation
did not find any evidence of
529
00:29:21,410 --> 00:29:25,030
inappropriate sexual behavior,
inappropriate relationships
with children.
530
00:29:25,030 --> 00:29:26,370
Jerry, I'm going to push--
531
00:29:26,370 --> 00:29:29,750
But it did find evidence of
being abusive to others
532
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:31,100
in the workplace.
533
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,930
So to hear that he was gone
was a good thing.
534
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,960
It was a very good thing.
It was a happy day.
535
00:29:53,370 --> 00:29:57,860
When everyone did come back,
it was a much happier
workplace.
536
00:29:59,170 --> 00:30:03,100
I remember reading
that Dan was no longer
537
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:05,340
going to be under contract at
Nickelodeon,
538
00:30:05,410 --> 00:30:08,960
and I can remember
exactly where I was.
539
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:11,550
It didn't surprise me.
540
00:30:11,620 --> 00:30:15,750
They should have fired him
a long time ago.
541
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:19,100
[Kate] Dan is no longer at
Nickelodeon,
542
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:23,240
and he hasn't made
a new TV show
in a number of years.
543
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,000
In 2021, he told
The New York Times, kind of,
544
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,270
I'm ready to reemerge
in children's television.
545
00:30:28,270 --> 00:30:30,750
I mean, I don't see how
he comes back from it.
546
00:30:30,750 --> 00:30:34,580
I'm sure he wants to,
but I don't see
how it happens.
547
00:30:34,580 --> 00:30:39,860
Let's please collectively
not let another Dan happen.
548
00:30:40,550 --> 00:30:43,030
Like, he cannot happen again.
549
00:30:43,030 --> 00:30:45,860
Like, this is not a joke.
550
00:30:45,930 --> 00:30:47,340
[clicks tongue]
551
00:30:52,030 --> 00:30:53,790
A lot of his shows
are still on the air,
552
00:30:53,790 --> 00:30:55,440
and they're still
really popular.
553
00:30:56,370 --> 00:30:58,960
But those kids who grew up
on Dan Schneider's sets
554
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,440
and in
the entertainment industry
555
00:31:00,510 --> 00:31:04,340
are adults now,
and they are reexamining
556
00:31:04,340 --> 00:31:06,240
the world that
they grew up in.
557
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:12,440
[Alexa]
Towards the end of season two
of Zoey 101...
558
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,000
I wasn't happy.
559
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,000
I actually could not show up
to set anymore without crying.
560
00:31:25,890 --> 00:31:31,960
A lot of my self-worth
was deeply damaged
561
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,750
from that set experience.
562
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:38,240
Me as a person was, like,
altered for life.
563
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,240
Being let go from
The Amanda Show
564
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:46,820
really broke my confidence
big time.
565
00:31:47,790 --> 00:31:53,170
That was a very young lesson
to learn in my career,
566
00:31:53,170 --> 00:31:55,860
is that everyone
is replaceable.
567
00:31:55,930 --> 00:31:59,680
And it sent me down
a really dark path.
568
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,790
I had to really, like,
pick myself back up
569
00:32:02,790 --> 00:32:05,370
and keep it moving in
an industry
570
00:32:05,370 --> 00:32:10,860
that showed me very early on
that it has no love for me
at all.
571
00:32:10,930 --> 00:32:14,100
[Leon] Being a child star
hurt me mentally
572
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:16,000
and somewhat physically.
573
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,510
The alcoholism that
I've dealt with,
574
00:32:19,790 --> 00:32:23,580
I believe,
is a direct connection
to the feelings that
575
00:32:23,580 --> 00:32:26,790
I have after leaving
the industry
576
00:32:26,790 --> 00:32:29,550
and not being able to maintain
the success that I had.
577
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,000
[Katrina] After All That,
I was burned out,
578
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,480
and I was excited for
the next chapter.
579
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,000
I was excited
to maybe try college,
580
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000
being normal a little bit.
581
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,750
But, you know,
not everybody gets
to be normal afterwards
582
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:51,000
because you don't know
what that looks like.
583
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,860
[Bryan]
When I was on All That,
it was a sweet experience,
584
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:56,440
but the bittersweet,
the bitter side of the
585
00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:59,340
bitter sweet
was pretty bitter.
586
00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:01,860
There's a dark underbelly
to child stardom.
587
00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:05,270
Children are just
a dollar sign when
they show up on set.
588
00:33:05,270 --> 00:33:08,240
Nobody's taking anyone's
mental health serious,
589
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,240
and that's completely
unfortunate.
590
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:15,060
I struggled with
self-esteem issues.
591
00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:18,240
I struggled with
beauty standards.
592
00:33:20,030 --> 00:33:22,370
'Cause I didn't feel accepted.
593
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:23,550
There you go.
594
00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:29,750
It was a toxic environment
and seeing how the show
595
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:35,580
just kept on rolling and these
people who were criminals
596
00:33:35,580 --> 00:33:37,550
were disappeared,
597
00:33:37,620 --> 00:33:41,860
it made me quite cynical
about the reality of
598
00:33:41,860 --> 00:33:45,930
power dynamics and it made me
trust people less.
599
00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:48,240
[all clamoring]
600
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:50,340
[photographer] Drake,
can you look right at
this way, please?
601
00:33:50,340 --> 00:33:53,000
[Drake] Right after
Drake and Josh,
I was signed,
602
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,440
and then I released
my second album.
603
00:33:57,270 --> 00:33:59,790
I made some really
cool movies,
604
00:33:59,790 --> 00:34:02,750
but I would have stints
of sobriety,
605
00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:04,440
and then I would...
606
00:34:06,580 --> 00:34:09,860
You know,
the pressure would be
too much,
607
00:34:09,860 --> 00:34:11,200
and...
608
00:34:12,270 --> 00:34:16,340
all of these demons
that I had, um...
609
00:34:17,860 --> 00:34:20,440
were very difficult to...
610
00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:24,440
to work through.
611
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,240
And so I think a lot of
my self-destructive behavior
612
00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:31,130
would always just be
a temporary fix,
613
00:34:31,130 --> 00:34:32,720
and it would always creep
back up.
614
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,000
I went through this bankruptcy
and lost my house, and...
615
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:41,750
I mean,
it was absolutely devastating.
616
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:43,130
Hey, what's up, Glenn?
617
00:34:43,130 --> 00:34:45,550
-Cory, can we get
a picture, please?
-Glenn, can we get a sign?
618
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,860
[Raquel]
We can go on and on and on
of child actors
619
00:34:50,860 --> 00:34:54,000
or child entertainers
who had cameras
620
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,860
watching every single
downfall.
621
00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:59,340
-Brittany.
-Hello? Did you have fun
in there, Brittany?
622
00:35:00,580 --> 00:35:02,860
Lindsay, do you have anything
to say to Brittany?
623
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:05,550
Look at what happens
to these kids when
they're spat out.
624
00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:08,170
-They end up quite sick.
-[indistinct conversation]
625
00:35:08,170 --> 00:35:10,750
They have issues
with addiction.
626
00:35:10,820 --> 00:35:12,060
[man] Eddie.
627
00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:13,000
How are you?
628
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000
Aaron Carter.
629
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,860
[man] One of those days,
Aaron, you know?
630
00:35:16,930 --> 00:35:18,340
[reporter] Amanda Bynes,
arrested, hauled out of
631
00:35:18,340 --> 00:35:20,680
her midtown
Manhattan apartment.
632
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,550
[reporter 2] Arrested,
allegedly smoking marijuana.
633
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:24,440
[reporter 3] You just wonder,
how low is the bottom?
634
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:26,650
[Raquel]
When I think of Amanda,
635
00:35:27,550 --> 00:35:29,100
it's like so painful.
636
00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:32,790
She was hospitalized for
a mental health evaluation.
637
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:36,000
[Raquel]
Because we are talking about
a very talented young woman.
638
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,170
Someone who had the entire
world at her fingertips.
639
00:35:43,170 --> 00:35:46,860
Amanda Bynes is
a very prototypical
child star story.
640
00:35:46,930 --> 00:35:48,680
As she entered adulthood,
it seemed like
641
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,960
she was struggling with
the transition.
642
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,340
She had a lot
of public mental health issues
643
00:35:53,410 --> 00:35:55,100
that tabloids covered.
644
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:56,680
She ended up in
a conservatorship
645
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,820
with her parents,
and that was
very recently overturned.
646
00:36:01,890 --> 00:36:04,370
Child stars' relationships
with their families often
647
00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:07,580
are starting from a place of
discontent,
648
00:36:07,580 --> 00:36:10,030
and then they get worse.
They don't have childhoods
649
00:36:10,030 --> 00:36:12,100
like kids are supposed
to have.
650
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:14,100
-[photographer] And look up.
-Okay, ready.
651
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:16,270
[Drake] There was definitely
a slow decline
652
00:36:16,270 --> 00:36:19,650
in my mental health
and sobriety.
653
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:22,030
I mean, DUIs,
654
00:36:22,030 --> 00:36:27,130
um, behaviors that
were happening
655
00:36:27,130 --> 00:36:28,510
because I was...
656
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,960
I... I was lost.
657
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,550
[reporter] Nickelodeon's
Drake Bell is arrested
in California,
658
00:36:36,620 --> 00:36:38,750
accused of driving
under the influence.
659
00:36:38,750 --> 00:36:41,170
Former Nickelodeon star
Drake Bell was convicted
660
00:36:41,170 --> 00:36:43,240
and sentenced for
child endangerment.
661
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:47,000
[Scaachi] Drake Bell
pled guilty to charges related
662
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,750
to inappropriate text messages
he sent to a minor,
663
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:53,170
but he was not charged
for doing anything physical.
664
00:36:53,170 --> 00:36:55,440
He was sentenced to
two years of probation
665
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,650
and 200 hours of
community service.
666
00:36:59,170 --> 00:37:01,000
[Drake] I took responsibility
for that.
667
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,440
You know,
I did what was asked of me.
668
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,440
But the media grabbed
ahold of so much
misinformation,
669
00:37:08,130 --> 00:37:12,100
and it absolutely
destroyed me.
670
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:15,960
And I started to spin out
of control.
671
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,340
[reporter] Actor Drake Bell
has been reported missing.
672
00:37:18,410 --> 00:37:21,580
Police say they are
deeply concerned
for his well-being.
673
00:37:21,580 --> 00:37:24,550
If I had continued down
that path, that...
674
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:28,750
could very likely...
675
00:37:29,860 --> 00:37:33,200
be the end of my story.
676
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,960
[soft music playing]
677
00:37:48,340 --> 00:37:49,750
[Drake] I was at rock bottom.
678
00:37:52,170 --> 00:37:55,720
And so I checked
into treatment.
679
00:37:57,270 --> 00:38:00,340
And I got to go through
a lot of trauma therapy,
680
00:38:00,340 --> 00:38:02,310
a lot of grief therapy,
681
00:38:03,170 --> 00:38:05,860
and be surrounded by
682
00:38:05,860 --> 00:38:07,440
people who,
683
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,550
for the first time
in a long time...
684
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:27,200
[sighs] ...wanted to just
see me get better.
685
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,550
[Giovannie] For child actors,
if you're not protected,
686
00:38:40,170 --> 00:38:41,650
it'll turn into chaos.
687
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,440
There's gotta be more support
in terms of counseling,
688
00:38:48,510 --> 00:38:50,750
mental health,
wellness checks.
689
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,580
[Kyle] Kids are still at risk.
690
00:38:53,580 --> 00:38:59,000
The law does not cover
everyone operating on a set
691
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,890
because that's an environment
where either a studio teacher
692
00:39:03,890 --> 00:39:07,340
or a parent is legally
required to be within
693
00:39:07,340 --> 00:39:10,000
sight or sound of the kid
at all times.
694
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,790
That's just not enough.
695
00:39:11,790 --> 00:39:17,480
Someone who has
a criminal record
as a child sex offender
696
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,240
can find their way into
this position,
697
00:39:21,310 --> 00:39:24,550
that loophole in the law
should be closed.
698
00:39:28,860 --> 00:39:33,240
Most people actually
financially reward
699
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,240
these industries
without knowing
what's actually happening,
700
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:38,960
you know, behind the scenes.
701
00:39:40,030 --> 00:39:42,370
It unfortunately takes
the people that witnessed it
702
00:39:42,370 --> 00:39:46,060
and experienced it to speak up
to really change it.
703
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,750
My hope is that with
every voice that comes out,
704
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:53,130
something changes.
705
00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:57,030
Maybe today's the day.
706
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:58,480
I don't know.
707
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,960
When people ask me,
am I going to put my kids
into acting,
708
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,960
I literally have zero,
zero thought
709
00:40:09,890 --> 00:40:11,410
before my no.
710
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,340
[Drake]
I'm often asked the question,
"You grew up in the business
711
00:40:19,340 --> 00:40:22,240
and is this a good place
for kids? And...
712
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:28,440
and, you know, it's such a,
a hard question to answer
713
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,270
because I wanted nothing more
in life,
714
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:34,750
but to get on stage.
715
00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:39,650
There is so much
in this industry
716
00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:42,930
that you have
to be cautious of,
717
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:44,960
but...
718
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:52,440
would I want the experiences
that I've had,
719
00:40:52,510 --> 00:40:56,510
the good experiences that
I've had, ripped away from me?
720
00:41:00,890 --> 00:41:02,370
I don't know what
the answer is
721
00:41:02,370 --> 00:41:03,750
and I don't have the power
to do it,
722
00:41:03,820 --> 00:41:07,440
but I would love to be able
to create an environment where
723
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:10,200
we're not so vulnerable
724
00:41:11,650 --> 00:41:14,170
and susceptible to...
725
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,130
outside dangers.
726
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,000
[soft music playing]
727
00:41:24,580 --> 00:41:27,130
It's just,
it's really hard going back
728
00:41:27,130 --> 00:41:28,650
over these old memories.
729
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:41,650
[man] Oh, well, you know what?
730
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:44,860
There's better days
ahead of us.
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00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,030
[Drake] Yeah,
I keep hearing that.
732
00:41:48,030 --> 00:41:50,410
[man] Yeah, well,
keep listening to it.
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00:41:59,550 --> 00:42:09,440
[soft music playing]
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00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:19,440
♪
735
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:29,650
♪
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