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Lonnie Franklin lived on 81st Street in Western Avenue
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in South Central, Los Angeles,
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the poor part of town
with the worst schools,
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the worst hospitals,
and no jobs.
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Everyone knew Lonnie.
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He was a good neighbor.
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Someone to turn to for help,
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whether it was to buy
a washing machine or TV,
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borrow some money,
or buy you a meal.
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Lonnie lived in this street,
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fixed people's cars
in front of his house,
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and always had time
for a chat.
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Lonnie was so much
a part of the community
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that when the Google car
went past.
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Lonnie was found chatting to a neighbor as he always did by the front gate.
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Then on the July 7th, 2010,
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police raided Lonnie's house
and arrested him.
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Lonnie Franklin is charged
with ten counts of murder,
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and one case
of attempted murder.
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His murders stretch from 1985 until his arrest in 2010.
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He's also a suspect in
multiple other murders.
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It is thought
Lonnie might have killed
more than 100 women
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over a 25-year period.
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I wondered
how this was possible.
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Hi. Hi.
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So, you saw him in the night
before he was arrested?
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Yeah, I've seen him
the night before.
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We was talking,
and he asked me
what was I doin',
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and I told him
I was gonna go clubbing.
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Well, I got in about 3:00,
woke up about 7:00,
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and the whole street
was blocked off.
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Couldn't go nowhere,
couldn't do nothing.
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Just...
Street just closed off.
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I mean, he was a nice guy.
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Just never thought
I'd put anything
past him like that.
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Don't make no sense.
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This neighborhood
of suburban houses
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with lawns
and gardens is deceptive.
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Look closer, and there are
bars on the windows.
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And the highest
homicide rate in the city.
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Most visitors coming to LA
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will fly directly over
Lonnie Franklin's house,
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which is just below
the main LAX flight path.
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Lonnie Franklin
grew up in this house.
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His parents lived here
before him,
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and his son Christopher
lives here now.
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Everyone on the street
knew Lonnie.
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These women
knew him for years.
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So you were dating Lonnie?
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Yeah. I dated him
a couple of times,
more than once.
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Oh, yeah? Yeah.
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What was he like
to date?
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It was like...
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Well, more so,
when I dated him,
he was quiet, low-key,
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kinda acted funny though
at certain times.
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Like what?
How did he act funny?
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J... Jibbity. I mean... Jibbity?
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Looking around, acting like
somebody looking for you.
What you done there?
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Uh-huh. You know.
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Hey, come on, now.
That made me nervous.
I can't do that one.
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Hi.
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I'm Donna. Hi, Donna.
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Do I need to
state my whole name?
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I had just came
from a party
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and, uh, he pulled me
over to the side... MAN: Peckerwood!
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And he was talking to me
and then, uh... MAN: Goddamn peckerwood!
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Someone called me "Peckerwood" from across the street.
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I thought "peckerwood"
was an endearing term,
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but later learned
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it's a white supremacist
prison gang.
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Get your ass out of
the goddamn country!
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Peckerwood.
You goddamn peckerwood!
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Get your ass out of here!
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The men in the street didn't like me talking to the women.
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It was three of Lonnie's
best friends shouting.
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Steve, Gary, and Richard,
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who wanted to stick up
for their buddy,
who they think is innocent.
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Media's exact words
when he was first arrested
for this crime
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was, "They found
the Grim Sleeper."
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Mm-hmm.
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He's been accused of it. That's what
they want to believe.
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"We have found
the Grim Sleeper."
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That's... Even if
he has a jury trial,
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everybody is saying,
"That's him."
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"He did it."MAN: But it
might not be him.
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So did you
three all use to hang out
together with Lonnie?
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Occasionally. At least
once a week, we'd be
standing here all together.
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Because we're neighbors. All together.
We'd be one group.
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All together.
At least once a week.
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I ran with Lonnie.
I ran with Lonnie.
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We'd cop in a car
and we'd go and do our thing.
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I ran with him too. Myself too.
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I ran with him too.
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Lonnie, he's a good guy.
What do you want to know?
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Lonnie's a good guy to me. In the eyes of his neighbors.
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And this is a close-knit block. This is a close block.
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Very lose-knit.
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Very close.
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Everybody in this block
has been here for... Generations.
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Forty, 35 years up here. Generations. Yeah.
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Everybody just here now.
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Me, 46 years.
Go ahead, man.
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If you come
in this neighborhood,
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just like this, you know,
Lonnie would be with us.
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If you come
in this neighborhood,
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and then if a person
wanted to try to
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start a dope house
or something like that,
it's not happening.
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He was shutted down. Nobody here.
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He was shutted down. And he was right here with us.
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So you didn't
suspect anything.
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Never...
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Do you know what?
When they picked him up
down the street right there,
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do you know what
I thought it was?
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For stealing cars. Bingo.
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That's what everybody
thought it was.
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Because that was
what he was known for.
Stealing cars.
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That's what got him
in the back,
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not because he was
such a convict.
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He was such a good car thief,
that's why the hell
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he's got all this stuff
upon him now.
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My opinion of that is,
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I've been knowing Lonnie
and his business a long time,
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I've never, never
seen him steal a car.
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He didn't steal cars.
Let me correct it there.
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He did not steal cars.
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He dealt in stolen cars,
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but he did not steal cars.
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I've never seen him
steal one neither.
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Okay, let me rephrase myself.
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He dealt with a shitload
of goddamn cars.
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He dealt with a shitload
of goddamn cars.
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It's hard for me to believe
because Lonnie,
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the way that he would
raise his kids,
his grandkids.
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Man, he had his son,
his son learned to drive
at the age of nine years old.
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You know what I mean?
Taught him how to drive well,
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how to do mechanics,
how to ride a motorcycle,
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with his grandkids.
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And for a man to have
a value of life like that,
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how can you just take lives
and Lonnie had a conscience.
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And carry on
a normal life
like he did?
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A person that does
a thing like that... Normal life...
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It's hard to believe it.
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It's hard to believe it.
I'll go to my grave
believing that he didn't.
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Lonnie appeared quite relaxed,
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carrying
a Nora Roberts romance.
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All right. This is
the matter of the people
versus Lonnie Franklin.
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Gentlemen, take
your places, please,
from yesterday.
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Pass it to the court.
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Yes, Your Honor. We're
still engaging preparations...
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The case is still
in pre-trial phase.
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Lonnie is pleading not guilty to ten counts of murder,
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and one count of
attempted murder.
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Ten other murder cases
are pending.
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Photos of 180 missing women
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found at Lonnie's house
have also been circulated.
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And do you think
there is a good chance of
his innocence being proved?
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Again, as far as to examine
all of the evidence
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to determine if he's
culpable of a crime or not.
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Obviously, we are going to
put on any reasonable
defense we have
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to show that he's not
responsible for these actions.
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And are you making
progress in that?
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We're looking at everything.
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Can I see her picture?
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This is Janecia.
This is my baby girl.
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Right here.
The love of my life.
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I don't think the pain
of losing a child
ever really goes away.
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It's like, it's just there.
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No matter what you do,
how well you're doing,
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it's just there,
sitting right there,
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like, Janecia's not here.
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So... And she has a son,
and I've got to deal
with the son's pain.
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And I have to tell him
sometimes like, I miss her
every single day too.
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We both miss her,
but we have to learn...
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We have to learn to...
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go on. And that's
what we learned.
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That you have to put
one foot in front of
the other and get up
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and keep going.
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That's the only way
we're gonna survive it.
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That's right.
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This is Margaret Prescod,
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founder of Black Coalition
Fighting Back Serial Murders
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who are critical of the police handling of the case.
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Margaret Prescod
first started leafleting
the neighborhood in 1985,
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25 years before
Lonnie was arrested.
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He's been killing women all
for now the past three years.
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I mean, just
on the Memorial Day,
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they found her daughter
in the Sixty-Eighth Street
Elementary School,
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she was the 17th victim.
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All of
the women were found
strangled or stabbed,
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their bodies dumped.
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In January,
a task force was formed
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to track down their slayer.
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A month later, this group,
the Black Coalition
Fighting Back Serial Murders
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was organized.
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Before the arrest was made
of Lonnie Franklin,
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we were actually out
in his neighborhood. We were
leafleting around there.
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And the interesting thing
about it is that
it was shocking
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how many people who lived
in the neighborhood knew nothing
about any serial murderer.
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They just didn't know.
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How is this possible?
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There is very few communities
outside of a black
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or brown community
in the city of Los Angeles
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that that could have happened.
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Where you have that
number of women.
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If you have
these people killed,
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and people who live
practically around the corner
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don't know anything
about it,
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that's unconscionable.
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I'm telling you, back in
the 1980s, we had a count
of 90 women.
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Only 18 of them were
on the books. What happened
to the rest of 'em?
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Are some of them
in these photos?
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Or if they are not
in these photos,
where are they?
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I think many more women
were killed, and the police
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admitted at the time,
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or the police
are admitting today.
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The police have no idea how many women were murdered.
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It could be hundreds.
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Lonnie worked here
for many years
driving a garbage truck.
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Police say many victims
could be buried in landfill.
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Did you ever know this guy
called the "Grim Sleeper"?
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I didn't know him.
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You didn't know him?
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You guys are too late.
The guys that knew him
have probably gone home.
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We're doing
this film about
this so-called "Grim Sleeper."
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Okay. Lonnie Franklin.
Did you ever know him?
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No, but I heard that
he used to work here.
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He used to work here. That's what I heard.
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Yeah. Said he
used to work here,
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and I don't know
where he went after that,
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but he was like a loader
before they used to have
the rear loaders.
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Right. And he was a loader and...
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Lonnie Franklin, if indeed
he is the Grim Sleeper,
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was called that by journalists
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because it was originally
thought there was a 14-year
hiatus in the killings.
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Now it's thought
he most likely
carried on killing,
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but the bodies
had never been found.
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This was
also the period that
crack cocaine was running,
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you know, in South LA.
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Every time people talk to me
about South LA,
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and they talk to me
about the murders,
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I'm always very,
very concerned that
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the context has to be
a community that has survived,
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has survived against all odds.
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People who moved... Black people who moved from the south coming to California,
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a lot of them, you know,
wound up in South LA.
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And that was the time that
there was some industry,
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auto and other industry,
250
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so people were actually
able to earn a living.
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I mean, they had
some kind of income.
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That industry, you know,
dried up at the same time
253
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the factories and the jobs
fled from South LA.
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So you had a whole
population of people
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newly... I mean, it was never
an affluent community,
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but, where are you
gonna get an income from?
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At the same time,
there was an epidemic
of crack cocaine
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coming in to
South Los Angeles.
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Because of
the crack cocaine epidemic,
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because of the poverty levels,
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because the so-called riots
had happened,
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that people felt,
"Well, who cares
about this community?"
263
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They don't have
high-paid lobbyists,
264
00:15:38,633 --> 00:15:43,855
you know what I mean?
There's nobody advocating
on their behalf.
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So LAPD and the city officials
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felt that they could
get away with it.
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In the '80s,
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crack dealers employed
more people in South Central
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than AT&T, IBM,
and Xerox combined.
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After leaving sanitation,
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Lonnie worked as a mechanic
in this police station.
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I called the leading detective
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to try and get the police side of the Grim Sleeper story.
274
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But the LAPD
refused to comment.
275
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Pam met Lonnie on the streets
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and agreed to
show us his world.
277
00:16:42,523 --> 00:16:47,397
Crack comes with whores
and excitement and drama.
278
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It ain't just about
getting high,
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it's excitement,
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it's how you're out here
looking like
Hobo motherfuckin' Kelly,
281
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and motherfuckers
pick you up, and you know,
you're feeling good,
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and twisting and turning,
you know what I'm saying?
283
00:16:59,061 --> 00:17:03,326
You think you're all that,
and motherfucker, you know,
oops, this is a serial killer.
284
00:17:03,370 --> 00:17:05,546
You know what I'm saying?
So you know what I mean?
285
00:17:05,589 --> 00:17:09,245
So, you don't... It's about
the excitement, the chase.
It's about the chase.
286
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The chase and the thrill.
287
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"I'mma get this motherfucker,"
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'cause that's what I said.
"Oh, this looks like
a super good one."
289
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You know what I'm sayin'?
And the shenanigans began.
290
00:17:25,827 --> 00:17:29,918
Well, I usually get what's
hoeing right around there,
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on West Street
and 41st and 42nd,
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up and down that way
by the Mustang, Snooty Fox
and the Comfort Inn motel.
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00:17:37,839 --> 00:17:40,102
He would pick me up
around there.
294
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You know, he'd be
driving around in his van.
295
00:17:42,191 --> 00:17:45,890
The last time I felt
something was wrong
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'cause he was like,
"Bitch, you know what?"
297
00:17:49,155 --> 00:17:51,592
And I said, "Bitch"?
298
00:17:53,637 --> 00:17:56,118
He was like, "You don't
never want to do what
I really want you to do."
299
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I said I'm not
a motherfucking dog.
"Bitch, now,
300
00:18:00,514 --> 00:18:02,298
"You don't own me.
I'm not a motherfucking dog.
301
00:18:02,342 --> 00:18:04,213
"What the fuck?
I'm not going to bark."
302
00:18:04,257 --> 00:18:07,042
You know, and then
he was like... When he said
"I'm gonna drop you off,"
303
00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:08,652
I said,"You ain't
gonna drop me off.
304
00:18:08,696 --> 00:18:11,177
"I'mma leave right now.
I can make it from here."
305
00:18:15,964 --> 00:18:17,618
Are you sure
he's okay to pet?
306
00:18:18,619 --> 00:18:21,622
Jesus. Are you sure?
307
00:18:27,454 --> 00:18:31,806
Blow! Blow! Blow!
Hey, you can't let him
get up on you...
308
00:18:33,982 --> 00:18:36,289
This is my ex-husband.
309
00:18:36,332 --> 00:18:39,248
He left. We were together
four years. He wanted to go
separate ways.
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00:18:39,901 --> 00:18:41,120
That's my son.
311
00:18:41,163 --> 00:18:43,513
That's my mama.
She died in 2010.
312
00:18:43,557 --> 00:18:46,560
That's my granddaughter,
and that's me,
and that's my mom.
313
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And those are me.
314
00:18:48,301 --> 00:18:50,564
Where is your husband? He's at home.
He lives in Long Beach.
315
00:18:50,607 --> 00:18:51,695
There you go.
316
00:18:52,479 --> 00:18:56,135
See him? There you go. Yeah.
317
00:18:56,178 --> 00:18:58,615
It's cold out here
by myself.
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00:18:58,659 --> 00:19:00,661
And it's all right.
I live alone.
319
00:19:00,704 --> 00:19:03,098
You know, for a girl... Yeah. You live alone?
320
00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:05,361
Four years sober.
I've come to the light.
321
00:19:05,405 --> 00:19:07,885
Four years sober? Four years sober.
322
00:19:07,929 --> 00:19:10,410
And I have my own self.
This is me.
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00:19:10,453 --> 00:19:12,803
You know. I don't drink. What were you on before?
324
00:19:12,847 --> 00:19:15,284
Drugs. Crack. I used to
smoke crack ever since
I met Lonnie.
325
00:19:15,328 --> 00:19:18,113
That's how I know
all these girls
that you wanna know.
326
00:19:18,157 --> 00:19:21,160
I know these girls
because I was
out there hoeing.
327
00:19:21,203 --> 00:19:23,162
Let's go. Cool.
328
00:19:23,205 --> 00:19:24,989
Let's go. Let's go.
329
00:19:27,775 --> 00:19:29,298
Pam says she knows
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some of the 180 missing
unidentified women.
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The pictures were released
by the LAPD
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00:19:36,044 --> 00:19:38,264
and found at
Lonnie Franklin's home.
333
00:19:40,701 --> 00:19:44,183
Many of the women are homeless so we looked on the street.
334
00:19:47,882 --> 00:19:53,061
She was a young girl.
May she knows...
335
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:59,894
Hey, can I ask you a question?
I'm just curious...
336
00:19:59,937 --> 00:20:01,852
I'm doing a research
about the Grim Sleeper.
337
00:20:01,896 --> 00:20:03,376
Do you know anything
about the Grim Sleeper?
338
00:20:03,419 --> 00:20:05,247
I've seen him actually
driving around.
339
00:20:05,291 --> 00:20:07,641
I've seen him actually
talking to one girl.
340
00:20:07,684 --> 00:20:09,860
When though? This is like a while back.
341
00:20:13,647 --> 00:20:17,781
The victims ranged in age
from 14 to 36.
342
00:20:17,825 --> 00:20:21,263
All had been shot
with a .25 caliber pistol
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00:20:21,307 --> 00:20:22,438
or strangled.
344
00:20:22,482 --> 00:20:25,963
Hi, did you know
about the Grim Sleeper?
345
00:20:26,007 --> 00:20:28,618
Were you out here at home
when the Grim Sleeper
was out here?
346
00:20:28,662 --> 00:20:30,229
The what? When the Grim Sleeper...
347
00:20:30,272 --> 00:20:32,405
When the killer, the man
was out here killing the women?
348
00:20:32,448 --> 00:20:33,928
Were you out here then?
349
00:20:33,971 --> 00:20:36,147
All right,
you have a good day
and be safe.
350
00:20:36,191 --> 00:20:38,367
Huh? You have a good day
and be safe.
351
00:20:38,411 --> 00:20:41,414
All right. How old are you?
You know me?
352
00:20:41,457 --> 00:20:43,546
Wasn't we at that
train station together?
353
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:44,765
What train station?
354
00:20:44,808 --> 00:20:46,984
I mean a bus station. What bus station?
355
00:20:47,028 --> 00:20:49,422
See, there are lots of
bus stations down here. Yeah.
356
00:20:49,465 --> 00:20:51,424
How old are you? Twenty.
357
00:20:51,467 --> 00:20:52,686
Twenty?
358
00:20:52,729 --> 00:20:54,427
Have a good day.
359
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:56,646
You know, because half
of these bitches got pimps,
360
00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:58,518
you know what I'm sayin'?
I don't like pimps
361
00:20:58,561 --> 00:21:00,041
so, you know,
I disrespect pimps.
362
00:21:00,084 --> 00:21:01,608
You know. I don't like pimps.
363
00:21:01,651 --> 00:21:04,132
I have no respect for any man
who puts a woman out here
364
00:21:04,175 --> 00:21:05,916
and makes her sell her pussy.
365
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,789
He ain't selling his dick
out here with her.
That's wrong.
366
00:21:08,832 --> 00:21:12,358
Yeah, put your
skirt on and come out here
and work with her.
367
00:21:12,401 --> 00:21:14,751
That's wrong.
But you know,
some people like it,
368
00:21:14,795 --> 00:21:15,970
some people with it.
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00:21:45,434 --> 00:21:47,741
Less than 50 percent
of this community
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00:21:47,784 --> 00:21:49,873
graduates from high school.
371
00:21:49,917 --> 00:21:52,485
This is not just
a story about Lonnie,
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00:21:52,528 --> 00:21:56,053
but about a people in
one of the world's
most prosperous cities
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00:21:56,097 --> 00:21:57,620
who have been left behind.
374
00:21:57,664 --> 00:21:58,969
Pull up right there.
375
00:21:59,013 --> 00:22:00,841
Your mom
used to hang out with him?
376
00:22:00,884 --> 00:22:03,234
Mm-hmm. They used to
drink and stuff.
377
00:22:04,235 --> 00:22:06,847
See? Smoke.
378
00:22:09,415 --> 00:22:11,112
Did you smoke? Huh?
379
00:22:11,155 --> 00:22:12,505
Did you smoke?
380
00:22:12,548 --> 00:22:14,942
Crack. Oh, no. I don't smoke.
381
00:22:14,985 --> 00:22:17,684
My mom is a drug addict.
So, yeah.
382
00:22:17,727 --> 00:22:21,775
But yeah, he used to
hand out with my mom,
stuff like that.
383
00:22:21,818 --> 00:22:24,604
They smoked,
they used to drink together.
384
00:22:24,647 --> 00:22:26,606
I didn't know him
in a negative way.
385
00:22:26,649 --> 00:22:29,260
At his house? Mm-hmm.
386
00:22:29,304 --> 00:22:32,002
Right next door. 81st,
Corner of Western.
387
00:22:32,046 --> 00:22:33,743
81st. Cool.
388
00:22:33,787 --> 00:22:35,745
'Cause he stayed next door. - How old
were you then?
389
00:22:35,789 --> 00:22:38,661
Uh, I was about 19.
390
00:22:38,705 --> 00:22:40,707
How old are you now? I'm 29.
391
00:22:40,750 --> 00:22:43,449
Twenty-nine? You look good.
You don't look 29. Thank you.
392
00:22:43,492 --> 00:22:47,191
I have a baby too. Yeah. You don't look 29.
393
00:22:47,235 --> 00:22:49,368
I was surprised
that we still hadn't heard
394
00:22:49,411 --> 00:22:52,022
any terrible stories
about Lonnie.
395
00:22:52,066 --> 00:22:54,242
Everyone we met
seemed to like him.
396
00:22:56,331 --> 00:22:59,552
I got a call from Gary, one of Lonnie's close friends
397
00:22:59,595 --> 00:23:02,990
who I had met on the stoop,
saying he had
something to tell me.
398
00:23:03,033 --> 00:23:05,166
How is it going? Everything's going good.
399
00:23:05,209 --> 00:23:07,342
They going good? Yeah. Come on.
400
00:23:09,518 --> 00:23:10,737
Thank you.
401
00:23:10,780 --> 00:23:12,869
All right.
How's it going? All right.
402
00:23:16,003 --> 00:23:17,700
So what
did you want to tell me?
403
00:23:17,744 --> 00:23:20,747
Okay, like...
404
00:23:20,790 --> 00:23:24,446
Like I said, I always,
first of all, you know,
my head... you know,
405
00:23:24,490 --> 00:23:27,406
my heart, and I take
my hat off to the victims,
406
00:23:27,449 --> 00:23:29,320
you know,
the victims' families,
you know,
407
00:23:29,364 --> 00:23:32,454
because it's truly a tragedy.
408
00:23:32,498 --> 00:23:33,890
Okay, now, as for Lonnie,
409
00:23:33,934 --> 00:23:36,197
I don't believe
that Lonnie did it.
410
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,810
But after the fact,
there's a lot of things that
I've been thinking about,
411
00:23:40,854 --> 00:23:43,987
you know, and the media is
kinda creating doubt within me.
412
00:23:44,684 --> 00:23:46,468
Like the .25 automatic
413
00:23:46,512 --> 00:23:51,560
that they say that he shot
the surviving victims with,
414
00:23:51,604 --> 00:23:55,129
I would see him
with a .25 automatic,
standing in his front yard.
415
00:23:55,172 --> 00:23:56,522
He showed it to me.
416
00:23:57,871 --> 00:23:59,263
Where would he keep it?
417
00:23:59,307 --> 00:24:01,918
He would keep it
in his top pocket. Where? Just...
418
00:24:01,962 --> 00:24:04,660
In his top pocket.
Just like right here.
419
00:24:04,704 --> 00:24:07,010
So you saw the .25. GARY: I saw it.
420
00:24:09,012 --> 00:24:10,536
He showed it to me.
421
00:24:10,579 --> 00:24:12,712
Okay, and...
422
00:24:12,755 --> 00:24:16,367
A lot of things, you know,
has come up, where...
423
00:24:16,411 --> 00:24:19,283
I saw handcuffs
fall out of Lonnie's car.
424
00:24:19,327 --> 00:24:21,677
I went talked to him,
and then...
425
00:24:21,721 --> 00:24:24,680
I joked with him and I said,
"Hey, man, what are you,
the police or something?"
426
00:24:24,724 --> 00:24:27,204
You know, and he
laughed it off,
you know, but...
427
00:24:27,248 --> 00:24:30,164
It's like he was
letting me see these things,
428
00:24:30,207 --> 00:24:32,253
a lot of things,
you know.
429
00:24:32,296 --> 00:24:33,602
Like, maybe he wanted me...
430
00:24:33,646 --> 00:24:35,691
It was a $250,000 reward,
431
00:24:35,735 --> 00:24:37,519
and maybe he was
feeling guilty or something,
432
00:24:37,563 --> 00:24:39,521
I don't know. That's
where I'm looking at it now.
433
00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:41,784
And maybe he wanted me
to get the reward.
434
00:24:41,828 --> 00:24:45,005
I went in his house,
he showed me pictures
where he had...
435
00:24:45,048 --> 00:24:48,269
a picture of a girl that
he took inside the house.
436
00:24:48,312 --> 00:24:50,489
I'm like,"Lonnie,
this is inside your house.
437
00:24:50,532 --> 00:24:52,012
"What are you...What was she doing?
438
00:24:52,055 --> 00:24:54,493
He took naked pictures
of her, you know.
439
00:24:54,536 --> 00:24:57,104
And I'm like, "Whoa,
where was your old lady?"
440
00:24:57,147 --> 00:25:00,977
And he just gave his laugh.
You know, and all.
441
00:25:01,021 --> 00:25:03,806
Do you think Lonnie almost
wanted to get caught?
442
00:25:03,850 --> 00:25:09,595
I mean, you know,
that's the way that it,
to me, if he did do it,
443
00:25:09,638 --> 00:25:11,814
Why would you show somebody
something like this?
444
00:25:11,858 --> 00:25:13,903
$250,000 reward
and all this.
445
00:25:13,947 --> 00:25:16,036
Man, you got the gun
and that's, you know...
446
00:25:17,298 --> 00:25:19,866
the gun that's supposed
to have been used.
447
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:24,348
Man, you just showed me this.
You blatantly showed me.
448
00:25:24,392 --> 00:25:29,266
Why do you think people
didn't tell the police
anything about Lonnie before?
449
00:25:30,572 --> 00:25:33,009
Who knew?
450
00:25:33,053 --> 00:25:36,883
What do you mean,
tell the police? Who knew?
451
00:25:36,926 --> 00:25:41,583
Well, he was heavily into
women and pornography...
452
00:25:41,627 --> 00:25:44,020
Oh, you're telling me,
after he got caught? No. Before.
453
00:25:45,065 --> 00:25:46,501
So what he was into women?
454
00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:48,024
A lot of people
are into women.
What do you do?
455
00:25:48,068 --> 00:25:50,853
Go to the police and say,
"Hey, this man into women"?
456
00:25:50,897 --> 00:25:54,727
No one have anything.
Women coming up dead.
We knew that.
457
00:25:54,770 --> 00:25:59,558
They arrested a police officer
for the murders at one time.
458
00:25:59,601 --> 00:26:02,865
But a lot of people said
Lonnie was weird.
459
00:26:02,909 --> 00:26:06,347
Lonnie... he was weird
in his own way. He was weird.
But he was Lonnie.
460
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:09,480
If you know him,
you'd know him.
He was weird.
461
00:26:09,524 --> 00:26:11,744
Richard also asked to meet up.
462
00:26:11,787 --> 00:26:14,268
There were
some other things you
wanted to tell me?
463
00:26:14,311 --> 00:26:17,271
Yes. I got permission
from... How should I say?
464
00:26:17,314 --> 00:26:20,709
I got permission from
Lonnie's... Mrs. Franklin,
465
00:26:20,753 --> 00:26:25,540
to tell you about
an incident that occurred
when I was with Lonnie.
466
00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:27,455
We were driving around...
467
00:26:28,848 --> 00:26:31,502
We were supposedly
scouting for a car.
468
00:26:31,546 --> 00:26:33,113
We were driving down Figueroa,
469
00:26:33,156 --> 00:26:35,942
he sees this girl,
he sort of flips.
470
00:26:35,985 --> 00:26:39,423
So we passed her like
maybe ten to 15 feet.
471
00:26:39,467 --> 00:26:41,208
Passed her, he pulled over.
472
00:26:41,251 --> 00:26:43,471
He got out and ran back
there where she was,
473
00:26:43,514 --> 00:26:47,127
they were having words,
and all of a sudden,
she tried to go away,
474
00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:49,999
and he grabbed her,
put her arm behind and...
475
00:26:50,043 --> 00:26:53,829
grabbed a handful of hair
and was pulling her to the car.
476
00:26:53,873 --> 00:26:56,658
And all the time,
I'm looking back,
looking at this.
477
00:26:56,702 --> 00:26:58,138
What was she doing?
478
00:26:58,181 --> 00:27:00,836
She was hollering and
saying,"Let me go! Let me go!
479
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,838
"Help me! Let me go!"
480
00:27:02,882 --> 00:27:06,668
And I said, "Man,
what the hell is you doing?
Dude, what are you doing?"
481
00:27:06,712 --> 00:27:08,931
And he looked,
I guess he caught his senses,
482
00:27:08,975 --> 00:27:12,282
he collected himself
real quick, he let her go,
483
00:27:12,326 --> 00:27:15,024
and before he can...
after he let her go,
484
00:27:15,068 --> 00:27:17,810
before he can just
walk plainly to the car,
485
00:27:17,853 --> 00:27:19,638
the police came
out of everywhere.
486
00:27:20,334 --> 00:27:22,031
Yeah.
487
00:27:22,075 --> 00:27:24,207
We were both arrested.
488
00:27:24,251 --> 00:27:28,777
They never charged me with
nothing, they never told me
why I was being arrested,
489
00:27:28,821 --> 00:27:30,257
they just arrested us.
490
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:32,433
Did they take your prints
or anything?
491
00:27:32,476 --> 00:27:34,478
That's the strange thing
about it.
492
00:27:34,522 --> 00:27:39,309
They didn't even book us.
They didn't even fingerprint us
or nothing.
493
00:27:39,353 --> 00:27:44,314
They just put us in a cell.
Just kept us there for hours.
494
00:27:44,358 --> 00:27:46,447
Wouldn't talk to us
or anything.
495
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:50,407
Then all of a sudden,
the guy came and said,
"You're free to go."
496
00:27:50,451 --> 00:27:52,975
But see, they had
split Lonnie and I up.
497
00:27:53,019 --> 00:27:55,064
They took him out
of the cell with me,
498
00:27:55,108 --> 00:27:58,981
and put him in another cell
for like three hours prior to
them releasing us.
499
00:27:59,025 --> 00:28:00,983
And they didn't
charge him with anything?
500
00:28:01,027 --> 00:28:03,464
No. He left with us.
His wife picked us up.
501
00:28:03,507 --> 00:28:05,335
And no fingerprints,
no DNA?
502
00:28:05,379 --> 00:28:08,251
No fingerprints,
no tests, no nothing.
503
00:28:10,863 --> 00:28:12,691
Before Lonnie Franklin's arrest,
504
00:28:12,734 --> 00:28:17,434
many people in the community believed the police themselves were involved.
505
00:28:17,478 --> 00:28:21,003
A police officer, Ricky Ross was arrested for the murders,
506
00:28:21,047 --> 00:28:23,876
but released
for lack of evidence.
507
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:27,314
However, the suspicions still exists in the community.
508
00:28:28,619 --> 00:28:30,404
State your name
and spell it out, please.
509
00:28:30,447 --> 00:28:32,623
My name is Lonnie Franklin.
510
00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:37,498
L-O-N-N-I-E,
F-R-A-N-K-L-I-N.
511
00:28:37,541 --> 00:28:41,284
Lonnie had 15 previous
felony convictions,
512
00:28:41,328 --> 00:28:43,678
yet he never had
his DNA taken.
513
00:28:43,722 --> 00:28:47,203
How many times
have you been convicted of
receiving stolen property, sir?
514
00:28:48,770 --> 00:28:51,512
Uh, probably around
four, five times.
515
00:28:51,555 --> 00:28:53,470
How about GTA?
516
00:28:53,514 --> 00:28:55,298
Grand Theft Vehicle
or Auto?
517
00:28:58,824 --> 00:29:00,956
Around five times.
Five times.
518
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,349
How about battery?
519
00:29:03,524 --> 00:29:04,743
Battery?
520
00:29:08,442 --> 00:29:10,139
Two. Two times.
521
00:29:10,183 --> 00:29:14,796
How about assault with
force likely to produce
great bodily injury?
522
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,711
Have you also
been convicted of that?
523
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:20,976
Mm...
524
00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:23,500
It's a possibility, yes. How many times?
525
00:29:24,371 --> 00:29:25,807
Once.
526
00:29:25,851 --> 00:29:28,723
How about false
imprisonment, sir?
527
00:29:28,767 --> 00:29:30,420
False imprisonment? Mm-hmm.
528
00:29:32,858 --> 00:29:34,076
Once.
529
00:29:39,125 --> 00:29:41,040
Lonnie has now been in custody
530
00:29:41,083 --> 00:29:43,782
without bail for
the last four years,
531
00:29:43,825 --> 00:29:45,827
but he has still not
come to trial.
532
00:29:52,878 --> 00:29:54,270
This is Diana Ware,
533
00:29:54,314 --> 00:29:56,011
stepmother of Barbara Ware,
534
00:29:56,055 --> 00:29:59,232
ne of the Grim Sleeper's
first victims.
535
00:29:59,275 --> 00:30:01,364
She's come to
every court date
536
00:30:01,408 --> 00:30:04,280
since Lonnie Franklin's arrest four years ago.
537
00:30:04,324 --> 00:30:07,196
Yes, I have, and it's
important because
538
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,243
when Mr. Franklin comes
in to the courtroom,
539
00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:12,898
he can see us.
540
00:30:12,941 --> 00:30:15,248
And when he looks
in that audience,
541
00:30:15,291 --> 00:30:16,727
I want him to see me
542
00:30:16,771 --> 00:30:20,644
to know that
every time he's there,
I am there.
543
00:30:20,688 --> 00:30:25,998
Because the people that
he murdered had family
544
00:30:26,041 --> 00:30:28,827
that loved them
and supported them,
545
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:30,741
and they want to
see justice done.
546
00:30:30,785 --> 00:30:34,876
That's why I am there
every time that he is in court.
547
00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:52,502
Barbara Ware, age 23,
548
00:30:52,546 --> 00:30:55,897
was murdered on
January the 10th, 1987
549
00:30:55,941 --> 00:31:00,032
with a .25 mm gunshot wound
to the chest.
550
00:31:02,425 --> 00:31:05,515
Police knew, in 1987,
from ballistics,
551
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:10,303
that the same .25 mm pistol
was used in
two previous murders,
552
00:31:10,346 --> 00:31:13,828
and that they had
a serial killer
on their hands.
553
00:31:13,872 --> 00:31:16,439
But they didn't release this information to the public
554
00:31:16,483 --> 00:31:20,313
until August 2008,
22 years later.
555
00:31:25,971 --> 00:31:28,974
Why didn't
the police tell you
it was a serial killer?
556
00:31:29,017 --> 00:31:30,453
I really don't know.
557
00:31:30,497 --> 00:31:32,586
I was really shocked.
558
00:31:32,629 --> 00:31:36,111
Uh, I was home
when I heard the news
and it came on TV,
559
00:31:36,155 --> 00:31:39,027
so I was really shocked
to hear that.
560
00:31:39,071 --> 00:31:41,769
But... But I guess the police
knew from 1988
561
00:31:41,812 --> 00:31:44,424
that there was
a serial killer.
562
00:31:44,467 --> 00:31:47,035
I really don't know
anything about that.
563
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:48,950
I didn't think it was
that long, but,
564
00:31:48,994 --> 00:31:51,561
I don't know.
I really don't know.
565
00:31:51,605 --> 00:31:53,868
And when was it
that you found out?
566
00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:57,654
I found out in 2008.
567
00:31:57,698 --> 00:32:00,919
2008. Yes.
568
00:32:00,962 --> 00:32:05,575
Yes. I found out...
I heard it on television.
569
00:32:05,619 --> 00:32:08,535
So... But the police didn't
contact you first?
570
00:32:10,058 --> 00:32:12,278
No. You know.
571
00:32:16,847 --> 00:32:19,633
This 911 call
reporting the murder,
572
00:32:19,676 --> 00:32:22,244
which many think
is the voice of the killer,
573
00:32:22,288 --> 00:32:24,681
also wasn't released
for 22 years.
574
00:32:38,217 --> 00:32:40,001
911 OPERATOR:
What's your name?
575
00:32:43,396 --> 00:32:45,224
Okay, then, bye-bye.
576
00:32:45,267 --> 00:32:46,921
Acknowledgment of
the serial killer
577
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,792
and the 911 call
578
00:32:48,836 --> 00:32:52,709
were only made public after
the murder of Janecia Peters.
579
00:32:53,972 --> 00:32:58,237
I feel bad for
all of the victims,
580
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,196
but I still always feel like
581
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,460
it didn't have to
happen to Janecia.
582
00:33:04,504 --> 00:33:07,333
Why didn't they tell
the community
583
00:33:07,376 --> 00:33:13,165
that there was someone
running around, you know,
killing girls,
584
00:33:15,210 --> 00:33:18,344
Why didn't they
release the 911 call
when it happened?
585
00:33:18,387 --> 00:33:20,911
Somebody might have
recognized the voice.
586
00:33:21,608 --> 00:33:22,739
Mm-hmm.
587
00:33:24,089 --> 00:33:29,137
The van that was being driven,
588
00:33:29,181 --> 00:33:31,618
they found the van.
The church van.
589
00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:33,489
Messed that up.
590
00:33:36,275 --> 00:33:38,538
'Cause we were
outraged after
591
00:33:38,581 --> 00:33:42,629
because they knew that
11 or 12 women
were already killed
592
00:33:42,672 --> 00:33:46,024
before they even
announced anything.
593
00:33:46,067 --> 00:33:48,374
And when we went and said
we were concerned about it,
594
00:33:48,417 --> 00:33:51,855
they said, "Well, why are you
so concerned about it?"
595
00:33:51,899 --> 00:33:53,814
And we were a bit shocked.
596
00:33:53,857 --> 00:33:57,992
And they said,
"He's only killing hookers."
597
00:34:00,951 --> 00:34:03,084
That was said to us
by the captain
598
00:34:03,128 --> 00:34:05,869
or whoever it was down there.
Would you believe that?
599
00:34:08,785 --> 00:34:12,006
The police don't care because
these are black women.
600
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:14,487
It wasn't like
he killed no...
601
00:34:14,530 --> 00:34:17,707
It's not like Lonnie
killed no high-pro
white folk.
602
00:34:17,751 --> 00:34:19,100
You know, it wasn't...
I mean,
603
00:34:19,144 --> 00:34:21,885
we don't mean nothing
to them. We're black.
604
00:34:21,929 --> 00:34:24,149
What the fuck?
Just another nigga dead.
605
00:34:24,192 --> 00:34:26,194
You know, you shouldn't
have been out there
on them drugs.
606
00:34:26,238 --> 00:34:29,763
This was... This case
is not a high-profile case
607
00:34:29,806 --> 00:34:31,156
because they
didn't make it one.
608
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,289
Now if I was
a fuckin' celebrity
609
00:34:34,333 --> 00:34:37,640
or a white woman,
610
00:34:37,684 --> 00:34:41,949
you know, maybe they would
have did something. That would
put more emphasis on it.
611
00:34:41,992 --> 00:34:43,385
You know what I'm sayin'?
612
00:34:43,429 --> 00:34:46,780
But I'm a black woman.
Who gives a fuck about me?
613
00:34:46,823 --> 00:34:50,914
Pam is still contacting women on the street she knows.
614
00:34:50,958 --> 00:34:54,744
I like the way Pam refers to us as her friends from England
615
00:34:54,788 --> 00:34:57,834
to explain why she's
riding around with
a couple of white boys.
616
00:34:57,878 --> 00:35:00,054
Hey, Liz, come here!
617
00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:02,143
Liz, remember the Grim Sleeper?
618
00:35:02,187 --> 00:35:04,928
Did you ever get involved
with the Grim Sleeper?
619
00:35:04,972 --> 00:35:07,975
Uh-uh. He never crossed
your path down here?
620
00:35:08,018 --> 00:35:09,846
I'm just doin' a research.
You seen him?
621
00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:11,544
Can you just tell them
what you saw?
622
00:35:11,587 --> 00:35:13,546
These are my friends
from England and they are
doing a research.
623
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:15,635
Did you ever catch him here?
You ever dated him?
624
00:35:15,678 --> 00:35:16,723
Uh-uh. No, I didn't.
625
00:35:16,766 --> 00:35:18,159
You never seen him?
626
00:35:18,203 --> 00:35:19,595
Uh-uh. Oh.
627
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:21,858
But I passed him by,
you know, in the neighborhood.
628
00:35:21,902 --> 00:35:23,338
How are you doin'? I'm okay.
629
00:35:23,382 --> 00:35:24,861
You're still
looking good, girl.
630
00:35:24,905 --> 00:35:26,211
Thank you. You're all right.
631
00:35:28,996 --> 00:35:32,304
She's been out here
for almost 40 years.
632
00:35:32,347 --> 00:35:34,175
That's a damn shame. Forty years?
633
00:35:34,219 --> 00:35:35,742
Forty years.
634
00:35:35,785 --> 00:35:38,179
Shit, I started out...
When I was out here,
I started young.
635
00:35:38,223 --> 00:35:40,660
I was 17. And I'm 45.
636
00:35:40,703 --> 00:35:42,749
That bitch is older.
She's older to me.
637
00:35:42,792 --> 00:35:45,621
She still looks good.
638
00:35:45,665 --> 00:35:48,450
Bitch ain't lost no teeth,
all of 'em is her teeth.
639
00:35:50,844 --> 00:35:54,108
Were you out here when
the Grim Sleeper was
out here killing those girls?
640
00:35:54,152 --> 00:35:55,631
Were you out here then?
641
00:35:55,675 --> 00:35:57,459
No? How old are you?
642
00:35:58,112 --> 00:36:00,070
Nineteen?
643
00:36:00,114 --> 00:36:01,898
She ain't got no panties on.
644
00:36:01,942 --> 00:36:03,987
Look, you should get it.
Nick, can you see?
645
00:36:04,553 --> 00:36:05,598
Nineteen.
646
00:36:05,641 --> 00:36:09,471
Be safe. All right.
647
00:36:09,515 --> 00:36:11,821
She ain't got no drawers on.
You don't see her?
648
00:36:11,865 --> 00:36:14,911
Yeah. Damn. I guess
she's nineteen.
649
00:36:14,955 --> 00:36:16,217
She's young. Nineteen.
650
00:36:16,261 --> 00:36:18,393
She's out here,
ass out naked.
651
00:36:18,437 --> 00:36:20,221
That's fucked up.
652
00:36:20,265 --> 00:36:21,962
Let me see what she's doing.
653
00:36:22,005 --> 00:36:23,659
Back up, back up, back up.
654
00:36:23,703 --> 00:36:26,096
Can you back up? Back up.
655
00:36:26,140 --> 00:36:28,229
Oh, that's a street girl.
She's trying to get a treat.
I ain't fuckin' with y'all.
656
00:36:28,273 --> 00:36:30,710
Watch out. Watch out.
657
00:36:30,753 --> 00:36:33,974
Okay, let's go around.
658
00:36:34,017 --> 00:36:37,586
We'll pick the bitch up
and go and buy
a bunch of beers.
659
00:36:37,630 --> 00:36:40,415
You gonna get the beers
'cause I might want the bitch.
660
00:36:40,459 --> 00:36:43,375
What's up? Where are the rest
of the girls at tonight?
661
00:36:43,418 --> 00:36:45,507
Ain't no girls out here?
You the only one out here?
662
00:36:45,551 --> 00:36:47,074
You are like the police.
663
00:36:47,117 --> 00:36:48,858
No, I ain't the police.
I'm an ex-hooker
just like you.
664
00:36:48,902 --> 00:36:50,599
I just don't do it no more.
665
00:36:50,643 --> 00:36:54,255
Because I'm doing a research
about the Grim Sleeper.
Don't trip.
666
00:36:54,299 --> 00:36:55,517
It ain't got nothing
to do with you.
667
00:36:55,561 --> 00:36:57,432
If I was the police,
you'd be in jail.
668
00:36:57,476 --> 00:36:59,260
But that''s your thing.
669
00:36:59,304 --> 00:37:01,349
Said I'm like the police.
Bitch, if I was the police,
670
00:37:01,393 --> 00:37:04,918
bitch, I would have busted
your ass and made you go
put some clothes on.
671
00:37:04,961 --> 00:37:07,834
Okay, which way
are we going now? Where you wanna go?
672
00:37:07,877 --> 00:37:09,923
Should we go back up? Yeah.
673
00:37:11,316 --> 00:37:12,752
I really admire Pam,
674
00:37:12,795 --> 00:37:16,146
who's almost running
our production by now.
675
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:19,585
Recently Pam was turned down
for a job as a bus driver
676
00:37:19,628 --> 00:37:23,241
because of a felony
conviction for possession.
677
00:37:23,284 --> 00:37:25,286
Now she also can't vote,
678
00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:28,158
get food stamps
or public housing.
679
00:37:37,733 --> 00:37:40,997
Pam has managed to
contact number 147
680
00:37:41,041 --> 00:37:44,436
on the police composite of photos found in Lonnie's house.
681
00:37:47,526 --> 00:37:49,919
She lives on
this housing estate
682
00:37:49,963 --> 00:37:52,618
but isn't a victim
or missing person.
683
00:37:54,750 --> 00:37:56,186
Which one is it? Three?
684
00:38:03,237 --> 00:38:05,370
Is this flat three?
685
00:38:05,413 --> 00:38:07,067
Are you flat three?
686
00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:15,815
Hi. Sorry to bother you.
We were looking for flat three.
687
00:38:15,858 --> 00:38:17,382
This is DelaShawn,
688
00:38:17,425 --> 00:38:20,167
whose picture was taken
by Lonnie Franklin
689
00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:22,474
when she was dating
Christopher Franklin,
690
00:38:22,517 --> 00:38:24,345
Lonnie's son,
at high school.
691
00:38:24,389 --> 00:38:27,566
Well, this is
Christopher John Franklin.
692
00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:31,613
Which one? Oh, there?
693
00:38:31,657 --> 00:38:37,358
Oh, God, this is
a creepy situation for me
because I just think about it.
694
00:38:37,402 --> 00:38:40,579
I spent my entire
eleventh grade summer
in that house.
695
00:38:40,622 --> 00:38:44,234
I spent the night,
we went on vacations.
696
00:38:44,278 --> 00:38:49,414
I was exposed to
his wife, his sister,
the rest of the family.
697
00:38:49,457 --> 00:38:51,416
We did funerals...
698
00:38:51,459 --> 00:38:53,156
I did a lot
with that family.
699
00:38:54,767 --> 00:38:56,812
So... And how did they seem?
700
00:38:58,248 --> 00:38:59,380
Normal.
701
00:39:00,076 --> 00:39:01,991
Normal? Normal.
702
00:39:03,036 --> 00:39:05,821
Normal family.
Typical family.
703
00:39:05,865 --> 00:39:07,997
Mother and father,
work.
704
00:39:08,563 --> 00:39:10,609
Uh...
705
00:39:10,652 --> 00:39:14,047
Mr. Franklin didn't work,
he was always at home.
706
00:39:15,265 --> 00:39:16,919
And if you ever
needed anything,
707
00:39:16,963 --> 00:39:20,227
you'd just tell him,
and he'd get it for you.
708
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:22,403
Don't ask questions,
just know that
he got it for you.
709
00:39:22,447 --> 00:39:24,187
How he got it,
we ever knew.
710
00:39:24,231 --> 00:39:25,667
What kind of stuff?
711
00:39:25,711 --> 00:39:27,713
If you wanted a TV,
he'd get it.
712
00:39:27,756 --> 00:39:30,019
If you needed a car,
he'd get it.
713
00:39:30,063 --> 00:39:32,326
If you needed a part
for your car, he'd get it.
714
00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:35,416
There was no question of
how he got it, but he got it.
715
00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:40,073
I still can't process
this person who
killed these women
716
00:39:40,116 --> 00:39:44,207
being the person who would go
above and beyond to help you.
717
00:39:44,251 --> 00:39:47,210
because this wasn't
the character he came off.
718
00:39:47,254 --> 00:39:49,561
He would have
a conversation with you,
719
00:39:49,604 --> 00:39:54,000
but during that conversation,
something perverted
would come out.
720
00:39:54,043 --> 00:39:57,699
That's just who he was.
He's just a horny old man.
721
00:39:57,743 --> 00:40:01,181
That's exactly how
everybody looked at him,
as a horny old man.
722
00:40:01,224 --> 00:40:04,097
I can say there were...
Now I'm gonna get
a little personal.
723
00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:06,404
There was a few times
when we would be in the room,
724
00:40:06,447 --> 00:40:09,798
and you could tell
he was listening at the door
725
00:40:09,842 --> 00:40:13,019
or at the door, like...
726
00:40:13,062 --> 00:40:14,890
When you were in
the room with his son?
727
00:40:14,934 --> 00:40:19,982
Yeah. Like, sometimes
he seemed like he was
a pervert. Seriously.
728
00:40:24,030 --> 00:40:27,033
The lights are
always off in that house.
729
00:40:27,076 --> 00:40:30,689
So it was always very damp in the hallways and in the back.
730
00:40:33,343 --> 00:40:36,912
They opened the kitchen window with the blinds,
731
00:40:36,956 --> 00:40:39,045
and the living room
with the blinds,
732
00:40:39,088 --> 00:40:41,743
but the lights in the hallway,
733
00:40:41,787 --> 00:40:43,963
the lights in it
and the bathroom lights
were never on.
734
00:40:44,006 --> 00:40:48,097
It was always like,
tea candles were burning
in the bathroom.
735
00:40:52,145 --> 00:40:56,410
It was always magazines...
Like, porn magazines
in the bathroom.
736
00:40:56,454 --> 00:40:59,326
He kept porn magazines
on the side of the toilet.
737
00:41:02,634 --> 00:41:05,637
And then at night
he would leave.
738
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,204
And I just remember,
he had a Pinto.
739
00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:12,948
The backyard was junky,
740
00:41:12,992 --> 00:41:14,384
the garage was junky,
741
00:41:14,428 --> 00:41:16,865
the rooms were junky,
the house was junky.
742
00:41:16,909 --> 00:41:20,434
It was just one of those places where there was always just stuff everywhere.
743
00:41:22,262 --> 00:41:25,395
I do remember him
having a shoe box
744
00:41:25,439 --> 00:41:27,920
with pictures
in the garage.
745
00:41:27,963 --> 00:41:31,706
And I remember him
laughing with his buddies,
746
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:33,665
passing the shoe box around.
747
00:41:35,231 --> 00:41:38,060
He always had
three cell phones.
748
00:41:38,104 --> 00:41:40,541
I always asked him,
"So why do you have
three cell phones?"
749
00:41:40,585 --> 00:41:45,851
He told me.
One was for business,
one was his personal.
750
00:41:45,894 --> 00:41:50,508
And the third one
was for his hoes
or his crackheads.
751
00:41:50,551 --> 00:41:53,119
And did he show you
pictures and stuff or...
752
00:41:53,162 --> 00:41:56,383
He never showed me pictures
but we did borrow his...
753
00:41:56,426 --> 00:41:59,647
He had a white van,
like a church van,
754
00:41:59,691 --> 00:42:01,606
we did ride on that once.
755
00:42:01,649 --> 00:42:03,608
And in the glove box,
756
00:42:03,651 --> 00:42:06,349
I remember once Chris
asked me to get the screwdriver
out the glove box,
757
00:42:06,393 --> 00:42:10,528
but when I opened
the glove box, there was
like a Polaroid picture,
758
00:42:10,571 --> 00:42:14,140
it's like the old...
What are the ones
that you snap?
759
00:42:14,183 --> 00:42:16,011
Yeah, Polaroids. And you fan 'em.
760
00:42:16,055 --> 00:42:18,753
But there was a stack
in the glove box,
761
00:42:18,797 --> 00:42:20,494
and in there were
like, lace panties,
762
00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:22,540
or something lace
in the corner.
763
00:42:22,583 --> 00:42:27,501
And I just grabbed
the screwdriver
and closed the glove box.
764
00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:30,069
Yeah. Didn't think
anything of it.
765
00:42:55,529 --> 00:42:57,487
So where are you guys headed?
766
00:42:57,531 --> 00:43:01,100
We're filming
these alleyways where
the bodies were found.
767
00:43:01,143 --> 00:43:03,450
Shall I ride? Yeah, you wanna ride?
768
00:43:09,587 --> 00:43:12,851
Can you see how all the bodies were very close to where he lived?
769
00:43:12,894 --> 00:43:16,550
Yeah. Western, Western,
Gage, Western, in between...
770
00:43:16,594 --> 00:43:17,899
I see in between...
771
00:43:17,943 --> 00:43:22,164
Well, you got one on Vernon.
2500 West Vernon.
772
00:43:22,208 --> 00:43:24,471
That would be like on
Crenshaw and Vernon.
773
00:43:24,514 --> 00:43:26,299
Right around his house.
774
00:43:26,342 --> 00:43:28,649
Yeah, 81st,
Van Ness is the closest.
775
00:43:28,693 --> 00:43:31,434
Very close.
That's five blocks.
776
00:43:39,355 --> 00:43:41,662
There's been a couple of
bodies that were found
777
00:43:41,706 --> 00:43:43,664
in this alley since
I've been living here.
778
00:43:43,708 --> 00:43:45,666
I've been living here
since I was 12 years old.
779
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:49,278
And you know, couple of things
done happened through here,
780
00:43:49,322 --> 00:43:51,846
you know,
gang-related shootings,
781
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:54,588
uh, people getting
dropped off
in the alley,
782
00:43:54,632 --> 00:43:57,199
uh, things happened
in that alley.
783
00:43:57,243 --> 00:44:00,072
Did you hear where
the Grim Sleeper body
was dropped off?
784
00:44:00,115 --> 00:44:01,595
It was right here by this.
785
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:04,293
This post right here,
it was a black bag. Which one?
786
00:44:04,337 --> 00:44:06,426
This post right here,
it was a black bag.
787
00:44:08,733 --> 00:44:10,517
That's shooting right there. They're shooting.
788
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,085
There's shooting right here.
You hear it Nick?
789
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:21,789
Did you
hear the shooting?
790
00:44:24,705 --> 00:44:25,924
I think we should go.
791
00:44:27,752 --> 00:44:29,014
Well, let's just stay put
for a moment.
We don't wanna...
792
00:44:30,232 --> 00:44:31,756
Where did that guy go?
793
00:44:31,799 --> 00:44:33,540
We don't know
who's shooting, man.
That man ran.
794
00:44:33,583 --> 00:44:36,369
We don't know
who's shooting, or why
is everybody running.
795
00:44:40,503 --> 00:44:43,071
There a whole...
A lot of bodies have been
dropped in that alley.
796
00:44:43,115 --> 00:44:47,554
People have been
shot in that alley,
killed in that alley.
797
00:44:47,597 --> 00:44:49,730
So the Grim Sleeper
is just one more.
798
00:44:57,346 --> 00:44:59,087
Lonnie's obsession
799
00:44:59,131 --> 00:45:02,525
was taking photographs of all his encounters with women.
800
00:45:03,222 --> 00:45:05,006
At first on Polaroid,
801
00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:07,748
then graduating to video
and cell phone.
802
00:45:09,489 --> 00:45:13,623
But he really... His specialty
is flipping pictures.
803
00:45:13,667 --> 00:45:17,976
He likes taking pictures,
all kinds of positions.
804
00:45:18,019 --> 00:45:21,980
You know what I'm sayin'?
Just, you know, naked,
close your eyes...
805
00:45:22,023 --> 00:45:24,809
you know, all this...
Like a wild animal.
806
00:45:24,852 --> 00:45:29,204
You know, taking pictures
of just dumb shit. He liked
snapping pictures.
807
00:45:29,248 --> 00:45:30,684
What kind?
808
00:45:30,728 --> 00:45:34,166
You know, You... Close my eyes,
you know, bend over.
809
00:45:34,209 --> 00:45:36,429
You know, turn around,
810
00:45:36,472 --> 00:45:38,997
prop my ass up, just
freaky shit, you know.
811
00:45:41,826 --> 00:45:44,524
That's it. That's the best
what I can tell you about him.
812
00:45:44,567 --> 00:45:46,004
He's just a freaky motherfucker
813
00:45:46,047 --> 00:45:49,224
and I was just the lucky one
that I had the instincts,
814
00:45:49,268 --> 00:45:51,661
when all bets were off,
finally got away.
815
00:45:53,925 --> 00:45:56,754
Okay, it's in that door.
816
00:45:56,797 --> 00:45:59,452
Gary and Richard,
both bachelors,
817
00:45:59,495 --> 00:46:03,978
seemed to be part of a kind of amateur photographic society with Lonnie Franklin
818
00:46:04,022 --> 00:46:06,328
and various others
in the neighborhood.
819
00:46:06,372 --> 00:46:08,461
He would call and say,
"Man, I know some freaks."
820
00:46:08,504 --> 00:46:10,680
You know what I'm sayin'?
'Cause he knew that
I knew some too, you know.
821
00:46:10,724 --> 00:46:14,119
And we just, we compared notes,
you know what I'm sayin'?
I've got my divorce.
822
00:46:14,162 --> 00:46:16,730
I was a single man, hurt,
and all this, you know
what I mean?
823
00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:18,514
You know, I turned
into a bachelor.
824
00:46:20,299 --> 00:46:22,692
You know. That's what
I've been doing.
825
00:46:22,736 --> 00:46:25,434
You know, not proud of it,
but, you know, I would...
826
00:46:26,871 --> 00:46:29,351
But I'm not into killing
and all that, you know.
827
00:46:30,004 --> 00:46:32,224
These are...
828
00:46:32,267 --> 00:46:35,967
Like I said, these are
some pictures. This is what
me and Lonnie would share,
829
00:46:36,010 --> 00:46:39,187
you know, with each other.
I have some pictures, you know.
830
00:46:39,231 --> 00:46:42,887
I got a couple of them
that Lonnie knew and others
I sort of knew them too,
831
00:46:42,930 --> 00:46:44,932
and took out, you know.
832
00:46:44,976 --> 00:46:47,326
But this is what
was going on, you know.
833
00:46:47,369 --> 00:46:49,850
Just like this one right here,
and Lonnie,
834
00:46:49,894 --> 00:46:55,682
he... He knows her, and then
just like I was saying, you see
the alcohol right there.
835
00:46:55,725 --> 00:46:59,686
That's what she liked. So,
you know, that's how Lonnie
would get his women.
836
00:46:59,729 --> 00:47:01,122
All right. You know.
837
00:47:01,906 --> 00:47:03,124
You see...
838
00:47:03,168 --> 00:47:05,605
So this is when he was
still taking pictures?
839
00:47:05,648 --> 00:47:09,565
Yeah. And this is the girl
that came and talked to you
and stuff like that.
840
00:47:09,609 --> 00:47:10,871
Definitely she was
on hoe stroll.
841
00:47:10,915 --> 00:47:13,439
Okay, roughly,
these, uh, just, uh...
842
00:47:13,482 --> 00:47:16,921
A girl that enjoys having sex
and posing.
843
00:47:16,964 --> 00:47:20,141
She felt that the pictures
are a form of art.
844
00:47:22,361 --> 00:47:25,059
And would you
sit around and show them
to each other
845
00:47:25,103 --> 00:47:27,932
in the back of the garage
in the shoe box?
846
00:47:29,411 --> 00:47:35,200
Yeah... You know.
Yeah. He knows her.
847
00:47:39,944 --> 00:47:41,162
I didn't talk to Lonnie.
848
00:47:41,206 --> 00:47:42,642
Lonnie would sit up there
just like this,
849
00:47:42,685 --> 00:47:44,078
'cause that's what our
conversation would be about.
850
00:47:44,122 --> 00:47:46,776
"Man, let me
tell you something."
851
00:47:48,126 --> 00:47:49,344
Okay.
852
00:47:49,388 --> 00:47:51,172
Now this right here,
we'd be comparing it,
853
00:47:51,216 --> 00:47:53,958
just like this, he could
never be dirty.
He's like, "Bam!"
854
00:47:54,001 --> 00:47:56,656
Oh, my goodness.
855
00:47:57,962 --> 00:48:00,790
"Bam!"
856
00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:04,751
Lonnie got a white van
and he had a camera
in the back of it.
857
00:48:04,794 --> 00:48:06,318
Then he had
the mobile home.
858
00:48:06,361 --> 00:48:08,842
He had it on a tripod,
a tripod like that,
859
00:48:08,886 --> 00:48:10,365
and it was parked right
in front of his house.
860
00:48:10,409 --> 00:48:12,715
There was a mattress
on the floor.
861
00:48:12,759 --> 00:48:15,414
And that's where
he would do his work.
862
00:48:15,457 --> 00:48:18,025
He'd be right there,
you never would see his face,
863
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:20,810
but, say for instance,
if this is between her legs,
864
00:48:20,854 --> 00:48:23,683
you'll never see him.
You might see his fingers,
865
00:48:23,726 --> 00:48:29,210
He'd be doin'... He'd have
his hands on the vagina, but
you never would see his face.
866
00:48:29,254 --> 00:48:31,038
I didn't want to say
anything last night,
867
00:48:31,082 --> 00:48:34,041
but a couple of times,
I had to...
You know I do carpets.
868
00:48:34,085 --> 00:48:35,564
Yeah. I had to...
869
00:48:35,608 --> 00:48:37,523
Lonnie paid me.
He gave me money
to clean the van.
870
00:48:38,524 --> 00:48:39,960
The mobile home.
871
00:48:40,004 --> 00:48:41,440
I always cleaned the carpet.
872
00:48:41,483 --> 00:48:43,921
I cleaned the carpet
four to five times.
873
00:48:43,964 --> 00:48:45,923
but I never suspected
it'd be-
874
00:48:45,966 --> 00:48:47,446
I didn't know what dry...
875
00:48:47,489 --> 00:48:50,797
You know, what it looks like,
but to e, it was like oil,
876
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,975
but I got it oiled up,
'cause I have the special
solution to get it out.
877
00:48:55,019 --> 00:48:56,890
But the police
took the mobile home.
878
00:48:56,934 --> 00:48:58,457
Did they ever
bring it back?
879
00:48:58,500 --> 00:48:59,937
He had a legal shop
back there, so they
took all...
880
00:48:59,980 --> 00:49:02,548
But I haven't seen
the mobile home back.
881
00:49:02,591 --> 00:49:04,985
I don't know. - So you think
that might have been blood.
882
00:49:05,029 --> 00:49:06,944
It could have been. I'm not...
883
00:49:07,814 --> 00:49:09,947
It was easy to get off.
884
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:11,644
And it was dark like oil.
885
00:49:11,687 --> 00:49:13,994
But it wasn't oil.
That's hard to get off.
886
00:49:14,038 --> 00:49:15,082
Hmm.
887
00:49:15,126 --> 00:49:16,301
Yeah, but...
888
00:49:22,263 --> 00:49:25,745
Lonnie was by far, the wealthiest man in his street.
889
00:49:25,788 --> 00:49:28,487
In this area
of high unemployment,
890
00:49:28,530 --> 00:49:31,664
it's estimated that at least
one-third of black males
891
00:49:31,707 --> 00:49:34,623
would receive
felony convictions
at some point,
892
00:49:34,667 --> 00:49:36,321
and lose the right to vote,
893
00:49:36,364 --> 00:49:38,714
get food stamps
and public housing,
894
00:49:38,758 --> 00:49:40,107
and many jobs.
895
00:49:42,153 --> 00:49:44,851
Lonnie could pick and choose
who he employed.
896
00:49:46,809 --> 00:49:48,898
Everyone wanted to
work for Lonnie.
897
00:49:48,942 --> 00:49:50,683
This man burned cars
for Lonnie.
898
00:49:50,726 --> 00:49:54,078
So how
did you know Lonnie?
How did you know Lonnie?
899
00:49:54,121 --> 00:49:56,341
Oh, man, I did
a couple of jobs for him.
900
00:49:56,384 --> 00:49:58,560
Oh, you did? Yes, I have.
901
00:49:58,604 --> 00:50:02,912
What kind of jobs? Uh, insurance.
902
00:50:02,956 --> 00:50:07,439
I was involved... Knew Lonnie.
I did a couple of jobs for him,
903
00:50:07,482 --> 00:50:09,267
which I told you,
were insurance jobs.
904
00:50:09,310 --> 00:50:12,052
This one was kind of strange.
905
00:50:12,096 --> 00:50:14,924
He said it was his,
he wanted to have it burned.
906
00:50:15,664 --> 00:50:17,231
He said what? The car...
907
00:50:17,275 --> 00:50:19,016
Yes, set the car on fire.
908
00:50:19,059 --> 00:50:22,410
Did he bring you the car?
909
00:50:22,454 --> 00:50:26,240
I came over to
where he was located,
910
00:50:26,284 --> 00:50:28,068
Where was that? 81st.
911
00:50:28,112 --> 00:50:31,593
Outside his house? Exactly.
912
00:50:31,637 --> 00:50:36,598
Got the keys from him,
drove the car off over here.
913
00:50:36,642 --> 00:50:38,774
Right. Over here.
914
00:50:38,818 --> 00:50:42,952
And, like I said, when
I pulled up, I thought I was
gonna find something of value.
915
00:50:42,996 --> 00:50:46,260
Searched through it, and
discovered some female clothes
916
00:50:46,304 --> 00:50:48,306
which had some blood on it,
917
00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:50,525
and in the backseat,
and on the floor.
918
00:50:50,569 --> 00:50:52,658
There was blood? Blood.
919
00:50:52,701 --> 00:50:57,184
A lot of it? Yes. Yes. Yeah.
920
00:50:58,229 --> 00:51:00,492
Considering, yeah.
921
00:51:00,535 --> 00:51:04,365
And you knew it was blood,
was it? Well, of course. In detail.
922
00:51:04,409 --> 00:51:05,845
It was discolored,
923
00:51:05,888 --> 00:51:07,368
but still, you could
tell it was blood.
924
00:51:07,412 --> 00:51:09,370
And you didn't think
anything of the bloody...
925
00:51:09,414 --> 00:51:11,938
Didn't think anything
of it. Never.
926
00:51:11,981 --> 00:51:15,333
When you find bloody clothes
in a car, don't you think
that's a little odd?
927
00:51:16,856 --> 00:51:18,858
Not really. I mean,
it's just...
928
00:51:18,901 --> 00:51:22,731
hey, carried out
what I set out to do,
929
00:51:22,775 --> 00:51:24,342
took care of that,
went back.
930
00:51:24,385 --> 00:51:26,083
What did you set out to do?
931
00:51:26,126 --> 00:51:27,867
Set the car on fire.
932
00:51:29,216 --> 00:51:31,262
And so what
did you do exactly?
933
00:51:31,305 --> 00:51:38,791
Uh, took out some...
A lighter, paper,
934
00:51:38,834 --> 00:51:40,749
threw it, set it on fire.
935
00:51:46,581 --> 00:51:49,802
Richard introduced us to Jerry.
936
00:51:49,845 --> 00:51:52,239
Jerry worked with Lonnie
as a mechanic,
937
00:51:52,283 --> 00:51:55,329
and was his companion at night picking up women.
938
00:51:58,202 --> 00:52:00,856
Gentlemen, how are you
doing today? - Howdy.
939
00:52:08,603 --> 00:52:10,431
Jerry says he was with Lonnie
940
00:52:10,475 --> 00:52:13,260
with about half of the women on the police composite.
941
00:52:27,535 --> 00:52:31,931
I met Lonnie when he
bought a bike from me.
942
00:52:31,974 --> 00:52:34,238
You know,
bought a bike and all,
943
00:52:34,281 --> 00:52:37,632
I said I won't charge him.
I was on crack cocaine.
944
00:52:37,676 --> 00:52:40,940
And I was... He bought
the bike for ten dollars.
945
00:52:40,983 --> 00:52:43,638
And ever since then,
me and Lonnie
became good friends.
946
00:52:43,682 --> 00:52:45,814
He would see me
walking on the street,
he would pull over and say,
947
00:52:45,858 --> 00:52:47,076
"Man, I'm looking
for such and such.
948
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,730
"You see such and such?"
And I would say, "No."
949
00:52:48,774 --> 00:52:50,079
He said, "You wanna
make some money?"
950
00:52:50,123 --> 00:52:52,386
I got a car I need to pick up.
I said okay.
951
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:55,128
You know, by me
being on crack cocaine,
952
00:52:55,172 --> 00:53:00,177
I was anxious to do anything
to get another hit.
953
00:53:00,220 --> 00:53:02,788
I discovered it was Jerry
on the Google image,
954
00:53:02,831 --> 00:53:04,616
talking to Lonnie.
955
00:53:04,659 --> 00:53:06,748
On the left is the camper van
956
00:53:06,792 --> 00:53:10,665
where Lonnie allegedly
filmed and killed women.
957
00:53:10,709 --> 00:53:14,582
Just describe
what it was like
picking the women up.
958
00:53:14,626 --> 00:53:16,932
Well, majority of
the women we knew
959
00:53:16,976 --> 00:53:21,198
and majority of the women,
we'd say how much
for both of us.
960
00:53:21,241 --> 00:53:23,461
You know, and they'd say,"Well,
961
00:53:23,504 --> 00:53:25,158
Sometimes they'd say
half and half,
962
00:53:25,202 --> 00:53:28,901
or they'd want straight cash
or they want straight crack.
963
00:53:28,944 --> 00:53:33,732
And then we'd stop to
get some liquor, whatever
they wanted to drink,
964
00:53:33,775 --> 00:53:36,822
and we wouldn't have
no problems with it.
965
00:53:36,865 --> 00:53:39,825
But some women get attitudes
966
00:53:39,868 --> 00:53:43,307
because the majority of them
wanted dope to hit.
967
00:53:43,350 --> 00:53:45,961
He wouldn't give it to them
'cause they weren't performing,
968
00:53:46,005 --> 00:53:47,920
or he'd get mad
and put them out,
969
00:53:47,963 --> 00:53:50,052
asshole naked.
970
00:53:50,096 --> 00:53:51,402
But like I said,
sometimes,
971
00:53:51,445 --> 00:53:53,578
he'd pick them up,
and he'd drop me off,
972
00:53:53,621 --> 00:53:55,275
but he'd keep
the women with him.
973
00:53:55,319 --> 00:53:57,277
How come you dropped
me off, you know?
974
00:53:57,321 --> 00:54:00,193
'Cause... I would
have to go home to my girl,
975
00:54:00,237 --> 00:54:01,412
or I had to do something.
976
00:54:01,455 --> 00:54:03,022
Do you think
he killed those women?
977
00:54:03,065 --> 00:54:04,719
Well, it might have been.
978
00:54:04,763 --> 00:54:07,853
It could have been.
It could have been
the women he killed.
979
00:54:07,896 --> 00:54:10,638
You know, if he did it.
980
00:54:13,902 --> 00:54:18,733
You've allowed black women
to walk around here
981
00:54:18,777 --> 00:54:21,388
when someone is hunting them,
982
00:54:21,432 --> 00:54:24,130
not knowing that
they're being hunted.
983
00:54:28,221 --> 00:54:33,095
Imagine if they
would have treated
victim number three
984
00:54:33,139 --> 00:54:35,620
as if she was a student
over at UCLA,
985
00:54:35,663 --> 00:54:37,361
with blonde hair and blue eyes.
986
00:54:37,404 --> 00:54:41,016
How many other people
might still be living?
987
00:54:41,974 --> 00:54:44,019
But the lack of concern
988
00:54:44,063 --> 00:54:46,457
allow for this hunting ground
989
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:51,462
to just be free and open
for this person, you know?
990
00:54:51,505 --> 00:54:55,901
And that is, for me,
the real, real, real tragedy.
991
00:54:55,944 --> 00:54:57,903
You know, the real tragedy
992
00:54:57,946 --> 00:55:02,821
is just the lack of concern
allowed so many more people
to be murdered.
993
00:55:02,864 --> 00:55:05,432
Do you think
also that people were afraid
994
00:55:05,476 --> 00:55:06,868
to come forward
and say something?
995
00:55:06,912 --> 00:55:09,393
That's very, very plausible.
996
00:55:09,436 --> 00:55:13,658
I mean, the relationship, its...
the relationship with the police
and the community is such that
997
00:55:13,701 --> 00:55:15,442
no one wants to be
998
00:55:15,486 --> 00:55:18,924
the person who's giving
the police information.
You just don't.
999
00:55:18,967 --> 00:55:22,144
I tell my own son,
you know, he's 16 years old,
1000
00:55:22,188 --> 00:55:24,103
"If something terrible happens
and your mother's not home,
1001
00:55:24,146 --> 00:55:25,452
"here are the numbers
of people to call.
1002
00:55:25,496 --> 00:55:28,455
"But whatever you do,
do not call 911."
1003
00:55:28,499 --> 00:55:30,065
No, literally, for what?
1004
00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:31,676
So you gonna come
answer the door and they
can pull you away.
1005
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,895
Don't call 911.
1006
00:55:33,939 --> 00:55:37,029
You know, while you're there,
you're trying to tell them
what happened to you,
1007
00:55:37,072 --> 00:55:40,424
they're trying to find out,
you know, do you use drugs
every once in a while?
1008
00:55:40,467 --> 00:55:42,339
Or you know,
are you art of this gang?
1009
00:55:42,382 --> 00:55:45,385
They're trying to fill out
their little field
identification card
1010
00:55:45,429 --> 00:55:48,867
when you're trying to explain
to them that someone has
done something. You know?
1011
00:55:48,910 --> 00:55:52,261
You cannot just,
as a black person,
1012
00:55:52,305 --> 00:55:55,264
walk into an LAPD station
1013
00:55:55,308 --> 00:55:57,702
or a LASD station
and just say,
1014
00:55:57,745 --> 00:56:00,792
"I have something to report"
and start describing something,
1015
00:56:00,835 --> 00:56:04,012
and think that you're going
to be, you know, be
treated with dignity,
1016
00:56:04,056 --> 00:56:07,059
treated with kindness,
treated with concern,
1017
00:56:07,102 --> 00:56:09,191
and be able to leave
feeling good, you know,
1018
00:56:09,235 --> 00:56:13,195
warm cockles of the heart
that "Yes, I've done something."
1019
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:18,375
It is a 99% chance that
this is gonna be an unpleasant
situation for you.
1020
00:56:53,192 --> 00:56:55,716
I couldn't help wondering
1021
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,633
how much Lonnie Franklin's
own family must have known
about what was going on.
1022
00:56:59,677 --> 00:57:03,811
His wife, son, and daughter,
living in this house,
1023
00:57:03,855 --> 00:57:07,075
which, as DelaShawn said,
had junk everywhere.
1024
00:57:21,394 --> 00:57:25,006
Sylvia Franklin,
Lonnie's wife for 30 years,
1025
00:57:25,050 --> 00:57:27,487
is well-respected
in the community.
1026
00:57:27,531 --> 00:57:30,447
She works in the school
superintendent's office,
1027
00:57:30,490 --> 00:57:34,059
and goes to the church
at the end of the street
every Sunday.
1028
00:57:34,102 --> 00:57:37,802
Matter of fact, if we had
came a little while earlier,
1029
00:57:37,845 --> 00:57:39,281
like five minutes earlier,
1030
00:57:39,325 --> 00:57:41,109
you would have seen her
leave the church.
1031
00:57:41,153 --> 00:57:43,503
Is that that church? It's the church.
It's right here.
1032
00:57:43,547 --> 00:57:47,507
Wait. Let me see.
There she is right there.
Look. Turn. Turn.
1033
00:57:47,551 --> 00:57:51,642
There she is in the shawl
with the cap on,
1034
00:57:51,685 --> 00:57:53,165
the white hat.
1035
00:57:53,208 --> 00:57:54,383
That's Lonnie's wife.
1036
00:57:54,427 --> 00:57:57,299
That was Lonnie's wife?
My goodness.
1037
00:57:57,343 --> 00:58:00,955
Do you think we should
go and say anything? - No. No.
1038
00:58:00,999 --> 00:58:03,828
No? No. She would be
awfully upset.
1039
00:58:05,525 --> 00:58:06,657
But that was her.
1040
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:10,138
I always wondered,
I look at his wife,
1041
00:58:10,182 --> 00:58:11,444
and I'd be looking at Lonnie,
1042
00:58:11,488 --> 00:58:13,838
and remember the stuff
Lonnie done show me,
1043
00:58:13,881 --> 00:58:16,405
and I said, "Lonnie, how
the hell does she
put up with this?"
1044
00:58:16,449 --> 00:58:18,843
How does she put up with this?
1045
00:58:18,886 --> 00:58:20,758
She had to... Didn't know.
1046
00:58:20,801 --> 00:58:23,543
But I couldn't see her
being in the house with him
1047
00:58:23,587 --> 00:58:26,111
and didn't find none of
that stuff none of the time.
1048
00:58:26,633 --> 00:58:27,982
She had to.
1049
00:58:28,983 --> 00:58:30,028
You know?
1050
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,120
Like those... Well,
then too, she never
went in the garage.
1051
00:58:35,163 --> 00:58:37,035
She never went back there.
1052
00:58:37,078 --> 00:58:38,253
That was Lonnie's domain.
1053
00:58:38,297 --> 00:58:40,081
The backyard was his domain.
1054
00:58:40,125 --> 00:58:42,954
She come out the house,
she's out the house, done.
1055
00:58:42,997 --> 00:58:44,999
Man, it didn't seem like...
1056
00:58:45,043 --> 00:58:47,306
"Are you guys really married?"
1057
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:51,223
You know? That's what
we've been... I'm like,
"Wow." You know?
1058
00:58:51,266 --> 00:58:53,486
'Cause it's unreal.
You never saw them
together.
1059
00:58:53,530 --> 00:58:56,228
You never saw them
in the same car together.
1060
00:58:56,271 --> 00:58:59,666
You never, never,
not one time in my life
1061
00:58:59,710 --> 00:59:02,887
I've ever seen them together
in the same car.
1062
00:59:02,930 --> 00:59:07,456
Over twenty years, man?
Come on. Never.
1063
00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:10,024
Some people say
they had separate bedrooms.
1064
00:59:10,068 --> 00:59:11,373
I don't know.
1065
00:59:12,331 --> 00:59:14,159
You know, I don't know that.
1066
00:59:14,202 --> 00:59:15,464
But I've been in the house
1067
00:59:15,508 --> 00:59:17,684
and Lonnie don't let
everybody in his house.
1068
00:59:18,772 --> 00:59:20,252
Don't wanna believe it.
1069
00:59:20,295 --> 00:59:21,688
Don't wanna believe it.
1070
00:59:22,646 --> 00:59:25,257
Don't wanna believe it. Man.
1071
00:59:26,127 --> 00:59:27,781
That would blow my mind.
1072
00:59:31,219 --> 00:59:35,093
At the time,
I didn't know that they were
having marital problems.
1073
00:59:35,136 --> 00:59:38,183
I didn't know she actually
had her own place.
1074
00:59:38,226 --> 00:59:41,360
But it made sense because
she would not be there,
1075
00:59:41,403 --> 00:59:44,493
and then there was times
that she would be there.
1076
00:59:44,537 --> 00:59:47,018
She lived in her house
and he lived in his.
1077
00:59:47,061 --> 00:59:50,108
I don't think they ever
really lived together.
1078
00:59:50,151 --> 00:59:53,590
Or they did at some point
but then they weren't.
1079
00:59:53,633 --> 00:59:56,897
Because how do you leave
for days at a time
1080
00:59:56,941 --> 01:00:00,771
and then you come back
a day or two and then
you leave for days at a time?
1081
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:06,603
So I'm assuming, with her
leaving for days at a time,
1082
01:00:06,646 --> 01:00:10,389
is why he was out
doing what he was doing.
1083
01:00:10,432 --> 01:00:13,305
'Cause no woman was there
to tell him or stay on him,
1084
01:00:13,348 --> 01:00:17,048
or there was no woman
there for him. So he
would go elsewhere.
1085
01:00:31,323 --> 01:00:33,891
Everyone said the closest
person to Lonnie
1086
01:00:33,934 --> 01:00:35,501
is his son Christopher.
1087
01:00:36,937 --> 01:00:38,504
He was always home.
1088
01:00:39,723 --> 01:00:42,073
He was little then.
He's a little guy.
1089
01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:44,815
But he was always home.
1090
01:00:44,858 --> 01:00:48,557
Up until he moved out,
but he was always home,
1091
01:00:48,601 --> 01:00:51,430
he was involved
in his dad's business,
1092
01:00:51,473 --> 01:00:53,650
I'm not saying he was
involved in the murders,
1093
01:00:53,693 --> 01:00:56,740
but he was always involved
in his dad's business.
1094
01:00:56,783 --> 01:01:00,395
I'm not speculating
on Chris, but,
1095
01:01:00,439 --> 01:01:02,397
it's very hard
for me to believe
1096
01:01:02,441 --> 01:01:06,488
that if anything went on
in that house, that
Chris didn't know about.
1097
01:01:09,448 --> 01:01:12,494
I really don't think he...
He had to know about some...
1098
01:01:12,538 --> 01:01:16,150
You know, even had a suspicion
of something going on,
1099
01:01:17,369 --> 01:01:18,805
that wasn't right.
1100
01:01:18,849 --> 01:01:22,200
Chris is a type of person
if he didn't like you,
1101
01:01:22,243 --> 01:01:25,029
he would attack you, or,
1102
01:01:25,072 --> 01:01:26,857
he would pull a gun on you.
1103
01:01:28,510 --> 01:01:30,382
He would try to stab you,
1104
01:01:30,425 --> 01:01:32,950
he would run over you.
Whatever he could do
to harm you, he would do,
1105
01:01:32,993 --> 01:01:36,736
and he would not
think twice about it.
1106
01:01:36,780 --> 01:01:42,394
And as a teenager,
I thought it was awesome.
I had a boyfriend who's crazy.
1107
01:01:42,437 --> 01:01:46,572
And then as I got older
I realized he was really crazy.
1108
01:01:46,615 --> 01:01:49,053
Do you think
he got a little of that
from his father?
1109
01:01:49,096 --> 01:01:50,663
I'm sure he did.
1110
01:01:52,186 --> 01:01:54,580
I'm gonna say
I'm positive he did.
1111
01:01:55,407 --> 01:01:56,669
I don't know. There is
1112
01:01:56,713 --> 01:01:58,279
plenty of times
when we would drive around,
1113
01:01:58,323 --> 01:02:01,674
he would have his gun
laying on his lap.
1114
01:02:01,718 --> 01:02:04,721
We're out driving,
going to get something to eat,
1115
01:02:04,764 --> 01:02:09,464
and he would have his gun,
a fully-loaded gun,
laying on his lap.
1116
01:02:09,508 --> 01:02:11,640
Pam thought she might
have the best chance
1117
01:02:11,684 --> 01:02:13,555
of getting
a meeting with Chris.
1118
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:16,297
Should we go
over there now? Do you think
he'd be there now?
1119
01:02:16,341 --> 01:02:19,300
You want to go right through? We could try.
1120
01:02:19,344 --> 01:02:20,649
All right, let's go.
1121
01:02:21,912 --> 01:02:24,349
Mmm-mmm-mmm.
1122
01:02:24,392 --> 01:02:28,135
I thought you were saying
you were a little nervous
because...
1123
01:02:28,179 --> 01:02:31,138
I was, a little....you know, he's a scary...
1124
01:02:31,182 --> 01:02:33,097
Hey, I'm not scared
of nothing but God.
1125
01:02:33,140 --> 01:02:34,315
You know what I mean?
1126
01:02:34,359 --> 01:02:37,275
You have to understand
what I was saying.
1127
01:02:37,318 --> 01:02:40,713
You get a little... You know
what I'm saying? I ride around
with two white boys,
1128
01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:41,845
I'm from the hood,
1129
01:02:41,888 --> 01:02:43,194
I'm a crackhead,
1130
01:02:43,237 --> 01:02:45,196
I don't know
if y'all from England,
1131
01:02:45,239 --> 01:02:46,893
you motherfuckers
could be anybody.
1132
01:02:46,937 --> 01:02:49,374
And when did I become
a motherfucking investigator?
1133
01:02:49,417 --> 01:02:51,811
I don't give a fuck
about Lonnie.
1134
01:02:51,855 --> 01:02:53,291
You know what I'm sayin'?
1135
01:02:53,334 --> 01:02:55,467
See, 'cause I don't want
nobody to shoot at your car,
1136
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:58,905
or do nothing to you,
and you gotta be careful.
1137
01:02:58,949 --> 01:03:01,908
I mean, you know
how they are. They think
you're the fucking FBI,
1138
01:03:01,952 --> 01:03:03,867
riding around there.
"Who is this?"
1139
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:07,827
Then they figure, "This bitch,
who is this bitch?
Who the fuck is this bitch?"
1140
01:03:07,871 --> 01:03:11,309
Back up, back up, back up.
There's nobody on here.
1141
01:03:13,528 --> 01:03:16,749
Damn. Okay pull up.
Go on some more.
1142
01:03:16,793 --> 01:03:18,055
Go. There you go.
1143
01:03:18,098 --> 01:03:20,361
There you go. Was that Chris?
1144
01:03:20,405 --> 01:03:22,842
Let me see.
Keep going.
1145
01:03:22,886 --> 01:03:25,845
Keep going. Keep going.
1146
01:03:25,889 --> 01:03:27,325
I told go. Do you wanna get out?
1147
01:03:27,368 --> 01:03:30,023
Uh-uh. That's Chris. Just call across to him.
1148
01:03:42,601 --> 01:03:45,952
Pam gave Chris
her phone number to call.
1149
01:03:45,996 --> 01:03:47,954
He said he'd think about it.
1150
01:03:57,572 --> 01:03:59,270
This is Lonnie's dog,
1151
01:03:59,313 --> 01:04:02,447
famous after his arrest
among neighborhood kids
1152
01:04:02,490 --> 01:04:05,189
as the guardian
of the haunted house.
1153
01:04:05,232 --> 01:04:08,627
No one dares knock on
Lonnie or Chris' front door.
1154
01:04:23,642 --> 01:04:24,948
Turn it down?
1155
01:04:24,991 --> 01:04:26,384
Pam took us to find
1156
01:04:26,427 --> 01:04:28,342
Christopher's childhood
nanny Lili,
1157
01:04:28,386 --> 01:04:33,565
who now lives homeless on the same streets that Lonnie used to ride at night.
1158
01:05:20,655 --> 01:05:22,962
Pam introduced us to Roxanne
1159
01:05:23,006 --> 01:05:25,486
and showed her
the pictures of Lili.
1160
01:05:25,530 --> 01:05:28,881
Lili, you know Lili.
You know who Lili is?
1161
01:05:28,925 --> 01:05:30,752
No, she looks like
my home girl, Portia though.
1162
01:05:30,796 --> 01:05:32,841
You' haven't seen her,
never on Figueroa?
1163
01:05:34,060 --> 01:05:36,933
No. See her good?
1164
01:05:36,976 --> 01:05:38,499
Yeah.
1165
01:05:38,543 --> 01:05:40,501
Roxanne also knew Lonnie.
1166
01:05:40,545 --> 01:05:43,374
He paid me $40,
I ain't gonna lie,
for a blowjob.
1167
01:05:43,417 --> 01:05:47,378
He wanted me to go
to his house and go
in his garage,
1168
01:05:47,421 --> 01:05:50,120
but I didn't 'cause
I don't go to people's house.
1169
01:05:50,163 --> 01:05:53,514
And he got my friend Beamer,
we call her Beamer,
1170
01:05:53,558 --> 01:05:56,953
her real name was Brenda.
He cut her across her throat.
1171
01:05:56,996 --> 01:05:59,085
You know, she stayed
on 68 and Menlo,
1172
01:05:59,129 --> 01:06:02,610
but after that happened,
Beamer had left outta here.
You know, she got scared.
1173
01:06:02,654 --> 01:06:04,743
What did
Beamer say he did?
What was he like?
1174
01:06:04,786 --> 01:06:06,484
He raped her,
1175
01:06:06,527 --> 01:06:08,703
and then he cut her throat.
1176
01:06:08,747 --> 01:06:12,229
Tied her up and raped her,
and he cut her throat.
1177
01:06:12,272 --> 01:06:18,104
And like, sometimes, when
I would look at him, he would
look kind of evil, you know...
1178
01:06:18,148 --> 01:06:20,933
It didn't seem like
he was trying to hurt me,
1179
01:06:20,977 --> 01:06:23,066
but I was like,
"I don't wanna
go to your house,"
1180
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:25,764
and he was like,"Baby,
you're going to the house,
and you'll go in the back,
1181
01:06:25,807 --> 01:06:29,986
"and you'll kick it back there
in the garage. I got a camper."
And all this.
1182
01:06:30,029 --> 01:06:34,033
And I was like, "No, I'm cool.
I'm cool," but I was scared.
1183
01:06:34,077 --> 01:06:36,775
So I went and did what I did,
he let me go.
1184
01:06:36,818 --> 01:06:39,038
And then when it happened
to my home girl Beamer,
I was like,
1185
01:06:39,082 --> 01:06:41,214
"That's the same guy!"
1186
01:06:42,476 --> 01:06:43,912
I promise to call.
1187
01:06:43,956 --> 01:06:45,610
All right.
Thank you so much.
1188
01:06:52,312 --> 01:06:55,837
Roxanne didn't find out
anything about Lili,
1189
01:06:55,881 --> 01:06:58,623
but she did put me in touch
with Beamer's pimp,
1190
01:06:58,666 --> 01:07:01,278
who said Beamer
was too scared to talk.
1191
01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:20,819
Hi, is Lili in there?
Hi, is Lili in there? Lili?
1192
01:07:20,862 --> 01:07:23,256
These motherfuckers,
I know these motherfuckers
over here
1193
01:07:23,300 --> 01:07:24,779
'cause I used to
smoke with 'em.
1194
01:07:24,823 --> 01:07:27,565
So we're gonna find her
if she's out here.
1195
01:07:27,608 --> 01:07:29,045
If she's out here.
1196
01:07:36,182 --> 01:07:39,707
This is where I used
to make money.
I used to live right there.
1197
01:07:39,751 --> 01:07:41,361
It's where I started out.
1198
01:07:44,321 --> 01:07:47,759
It is what it was.
Really crack... And
that's another crack house.
1199
01:07:47,802 --> 01:07:50,066
See them sitting out there?
1200
01:07:50,109 --> 01:07:54,635
It's just like the devil's den
though. You know,
you gotta be... It's just...
1201
01:07:56,028 --> 01:07:58,161
I almost lost my life
over here, so...
1202
01:07:58,204 --> 01:08:00,163
It's the devil's den.
1203
01:08:00,206 --> 01:08:03,035
Got to be no sign
to fuck around, so what?
You know passed through here,
1204
01:08:03,079 --> 01:08:05,907
but for as hanging,
you couldn't pay if I...
1205
01:08:05,951 --> 01:08:08,127
If I was to hit the pipe today,
I wouldn't come over here.
1206
01:08:08,171 --> 01:08:10,521
Hi, I'm Dion!
1207
01:08:10,564 --> 01:08:12,914
I need Lili. I live on Browning.
1208
01:08:12,958 --> 01:08:14,873
All right,
I need Lili.
1209
01:08:14,916 --> 01:08:17,702
Can you go get one girl
out there and fuckin' ask
for where Lili is?
1210
01:08:17,745 --> 01:08:19,704
Yeah. Give me five dollars.
1211
01:08:19,747 --> 01:08:20,966
Here you go.
1212
01:08:21,009 --> 01:08:22,141
I'm so broke.
1213
01:08:22,185 --> 01:08:24,056
Let me see.
There's five dollars.
1214
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:25,840
I need it. I need it.
1215
01:08:25,884 --> 01:08:27,320
Okay, I'll get her.
1216
01:08:27,364 --> 01:08:29,583
I just need Lili. Which one?
Sherry or somebody?
1217
01:08:29,627 --> 01:08:32,282
Let e see Sherry. Okay, come on.
1218
01:08:33,457 --> 01:08:34,675
Where is the crack house?
1219
01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:36,068
Right here.
I'm gonna show you.
1220
01:08:36,112 --> 01:08:38,331
Which one? It's dead.
See how dark it is?
1221
01:08:38,375 --> 01:08:40,333
Nick, it's right here.
1222
01:08:40,377 --> 01:08:42,335
This is the crack house. This is the crack house.
1223
01:08:42,379 --> 01:08:43,902
Yeah. The dark one?
1224
01:08:43,945 --> 01:08:46,296
Yeah, the dark one.
You see? It's the devil's den.
1225
01:08:46,992 --> 01:08:48,646
Hey, come here.
1226
01:08:49,864 --> 01:08:51,649
I don't want that
five dollars back,
1227
01:08:51,692 --> 01:08:53,259
that's chump change to me. - I ain't
worried about that.
1228
01:08:53,303 --> 01:08:55,653
Okay. I need...
There's nobody in there?
1229
01:08:55,696 --> 01:08:57,307
Just my friend Ray-Ray,
like I said.
1230
01:08:57,350 --> 01:08:59,265
Ray-Ray, Ray-Ray.
Who's Ray-Ray?
1231
01:08:59,309 --> 01:09:02,964
Some young girl, 30... Oh, that silly nigga Ray-Ray?
1232
01:09:03,008 --> 01:09:05,228
You can't go in the house
or something?
You done fucked up?
1233
01:09:05,271 --> 01:09:07,099
Yeah. Oh, all right.
Thank you.
1234
01:09:07,143 --> 01:09:08,970
Here, give this cigarette
to your mom.
1235
01:09:12,365 --> 01:09:13,888
The irony is,
1236
01:09:13,932 --> 01:09:16,674
Lonnie's house is just
opposite the crash pad
1237
01:09:16,717 --> 01:09:19,459
where Pam found Lili
the following morning.
1238
01:09:19,503 --> 01:09:21,374
You know,
they want to know the truth.
1239
01:09:21,418 --> 01:09:24,029
And talk so that
they can understand you.
1240
01:09:24,072 --> 01:09:26,771
I remembered what Pam
had said about Lili.
1241
01:09:26,814 --> 01:09:29,687
Everybody use and abuse her.
1242
01:09:29,730 --> 01:09:32,168
Everybody use and abuse her.
1243
01:09:32,211 --> 01:09:35,736
That's what she likes.
To be used and abused.
1244
01:09:35,780 --> 01:09:37,608
She's a sweet girl,
1245
01:09:37,651 --> 01:09:40,567
but she's looking for love
in all the wrong
motherfucking places.
1246
01:09:46,051 --> 01:09:48,923
So you were the nanny...
1247
01:09:48,967 --> 01:09:51,317
Yes....for Lonnie's son.
1248
01:09:51,361 --> 01:09:52,971
Yes.
1249
01:09:53,014 --> 01:09:54,799
What was that like?
1250
01:09:54,842 --> 01:09:58,672
So he finally told me
his dad do profound things
to him,
1251
01:09:58,716 --> 01:10:00,718
and he has ladies
in the house,
1252
01:10:00,761 --> 01:10:03,808
and he sits and watches
dad through the peephole.
1253
01:10:03,851 --> 01:10:06,202
You know, so, um...
1254
01:10:06,245 --> 01:10:08,334
When Lonnie had come
to pick me up,
1255
01:10:08,378 --> 01:10:10,336
come pick...
He picked up Chris,
1256
01:10:10,380 --> 01:10:12,425
he would always ask me
to come to the car
1257
01:10:12,469 --> 01:10:14,253
and he had some things
to show me.
1258
01:10:14,297 --> 01:10:16,124
So I'm like, "Okay."
1259
01:10:16,168 --> 01:10:18,866
You know, and I would
set Chris down and let him
play the little Game Boy
1260
01:10:18,910 --> 01:10:20,999
until, well it was
Atari then,
1261
01:10:21,042 --> 01:10:24,437
but played the little games
until we came back.
1262
01:10:24,481 --> 01:10:26,831
So I would go to the car,
he would open up the trunk,
1263
01:10:26,874 --> 01:10:29,399
and he would always tell me,
"I want you to
wear some panties
1264
01:10:29,442 --> 01:10:33,054
"or some stockings
with some heels on,
1265
01:10:33,098 --> 01:10:36,754
"and I want you to..."
you know, he'd want to
tie you up and put...
1266
01:10:36,797 --> 01:10:39,235
So he would
do this to you while
you were babysitting?
1267
01:10:39,278 --> 01:10:41,976
Yeah. Yes.
1268
01:10:42,020 --> 01:10:46,329
He would wanna take
pictures of me, of poses,
1269
01:10:46,372 --> 01:10:51,159
you know, of very, like,
I would call it nasty.
1270
01:10:51,203 --> 01:10:53,988
But by me doing
the drugs with him...
1271
01:10:54,032 --> 01:10:56,164
Well, he didn't do drugs,
I did the drugs.
1272
01:10:56,208 --> 01:10:57,949
Drugs? Yes.
1273
01:10:57,992 --> 01:11:03,041
So, you know,
as my addiction went on,
I would do whatever it took.
1274
01:11:03,084 --> 01:11:07,306
You know, and then...
But he started getting
like, aggressive with me.
1275
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:10,222
You know, like
he would wanna choke me.
1276
01:11:10,266 --> 01:11:12,746
You know, as he
had me handcuffed,
1277
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:15,749
and I would be telling him,
"Don't do that.
I don't like that."
1278
01:11:15,793 --> 01:11:19,231
You know, and he would always
wanna have anal sex.
1279
01:11:19,275 --> 01:11:24,105
He would put a doggie,
what do you call it, leash?
1280
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:27,152
Like a collar. Yeah, around my neck,
1281
01:11:27,195 --> 01:11:30,808
and would have sex with me
like I was a dog.
1282
01:11:30,851 --> 01:11:34,115
After a while, it got
kinda sickening to me,
1283
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:36,683
and I couldn't babysit
his son anymore
1284
01:11:36,727 --> 01:11:39,207
because I couldn't take
what Chris was going through,
1285
01:11:39,251 --> 01:11:42,341
you know, and I wanted
to report him but I didn't,
1286
01:11:42,385 --> 01:11:46,084
you know, because of
my addiction. So,
that's my story.
1287
01:11:46,127 --> 01:11:47,868
Unless you wanna know more.
1288
01:11:53,918 --> 01:11:56,747
This is Fernando, one of
Lonnie's close friends
1289
01:11:56,790 --> 01:12:01,142
who said Lonnie would joke
about killing crackheads
and cleaning up the streets.
1290
01:12:01,186 --> 01:12:04,232
But no one ever believed him.
1291
01:12:04,276 --> 01:12:07,671
Where do you
think all the anger
and hate came from?
1292
01:12:07,714 --> 01:12:09,803
He said that
his first wife did it.
1293
01:12:10,804 --> 01:12:12,589
Made him hate women.
1294
01:12:12,632 --> 01:12:15,331
His first wife.
She's the one who did it.
1295
01:12:16,419 --> 01:12:17,637
She hated...
1296
01:12:17,681 --> 01:12:20,858
He hated women
because of his first wife.
1297
01:12:20,901 --> 01:12:22,033
It's what she did to him.
1298
01:12:22,076 --> 01:12:23,687
I heard that she was
a street crackhead.
1299
01:12:23,730 --> 01:12:25,906
Straight crackhead.
You come home,
1300
01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:27,734
He gave her the money.
1301
01:12:27,778 --> 01:12:30,215
He gave her the money
and she'd go spend it.
1302
01:12:30,258 --> 01:12:31,390
She'd go spend it on drugs.
1303
01:12:31,434 --> 01:12:32,739
Won't pay no bills. Won't pay no bills.
1304
01:12:32,783 --> 01:12:34,393
So he had
another wife.
1305
01:12:34,437 --> 01:12:36,787
No, this was his first wife. His first wife.
1306
01:12:36,830 --> 01:12:38,832
Lonnie's first wife.
1307
01:12:38,876 --> 01:12:41,444
Wife he got now,
she's cool. She's straight up.
1308
01:12:41,487 --> 01:12:43,446
So what did
the first wife do?
1309
01:12:43,489 --> 01:12:45,273
You think she made him
hate women?
1310
01:12:45,317 --> 01:12:47,058
Yeah. I believe so. I believe so.
1311
01:12:47,101 --> 01:12:49,016
I believe so too. Deep in my heart,
I believe she did.
1312
01:12:49,060 --> 01:12:51,018
Yeah, he really loved her.
1313
01:12:51,062 --> 01:12:54,457
You know, in reality
Lonnie is a good guy, man.
He's a good guy.
1314
01:12:54,500 --> 01:12:57,198
He really is. But it was something
inside of him,
1315
01:12:57,242 --> 01:12:59,418
the hatred that
triggers him off.
1316
01:12:59,462 --> 01:13:01,115
Yeah. That would trigger him.
1317
01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:03,596
I'd have to...
I don't know
how he did it...
1318
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,512
What did he say
about his first wife?
1319
01:13:06,556 --> 01:13:09,080
He hated her. He hated her.
1320
01:13:09,123 --> 01:13:10,908
He hated her.
1321
01:13:10,951 --> 01:13:14,564
If he'd see a woman
down the street who's
a crackhead...
1322
01:13:14,607 --> 01:13:17,044
Man."Come here. Come here."
1323
01:13:17,088 --> 01:13:19,960
What did he say
about crackheads?
1324
01:13:20,004 --> 01:13:22,093
He hated them. He hated them.
1325
01:13:22,136 --> 01:13:24,617
He even hated men
that was on crack. Yeah.
1326
01:13:24,661 --> 01:13:27,925
He... He wouldn't... He didn't like drugs
and drinking at all.
1327
01:13:27,968 --> 01:13:30,231
He wouldn't... You know.
1328
01:13:30,275 --> 01:13:32,016
He'd look at you
like you're dirty.
1329
01:13:32,059 --> 01:13:34,714
Yeah. He would
look down on you.
1330
01:13:34,758 --> 01:13:36,977
Look down on you. If you drink or smoke...
1331
01:13:37,021 --> 01:13:38,501
He'd look down on you. He'd look down on you.
1332
01:13:38,544 --> 01:13:42,069
He'd like nobody who
drink, smoke, nothing.
1333
01:13:42,113 --> 01:13:44,463
Nothing. He wouldn't have
answered to you.
1334
01:13:44,507 --> 01:13:47,205
So why would he
give them crack?
1335
01:13:47,248 --> 01:13:49,816
He gave them crack
to get them in the car.
1336
01:13:51,688 --> 01:13:54,342
That's his thing
to get them in the car.
1337
01:13:54,386 --> 01:13:56,083
You see, you got...
I'mma tell you something, man.
1338
01:13:56,127 --> 01:14:00,305
You got women walk
up and down Western
24/7, midnight.
1339
01:14:00,348 --> 01:14:02,438
Western, Florence, Figueroa,
1340
01:14:03,351 --> 01:14:04,614
looking for crack,
1341
01:14:05,223 --> 01:14:07,878
or money or a treat.
1342
01:14:07,921 --> 01:14:10,707
There's a lot of the men... All of them are on crack.
1343
01:14:10,750 --> 01:14:14,754
But they don't know
they messing
with the wrong man.
1344
01:14:16,539 --> 01:14:21,282
That boy, you get
in his car, you ain't
coming back out.
1345
01:14:21,326 --> 01:14:23,284
You ain't coming
unless you're dead.
1346
01:14:33,469 --> 01:14:35,427
I got a message from Richard.
1347
01:14:35,471 --> 01:14:37,560
He said he'd just got
out of the hospital
1348
01:14:37,603 --> 01:14:40,911
after being beaten up by Lonnie's son, Christopher.
1349
01:14:43,566 --> 01:14:44,915
Hey, Richard.
1350
01:14:46,612 --> 01:14:51,182
When did you first notice
something weird was going on?
1351
01:14:51,225 --> 01:14:55,926
When I first walked up to him,
he was standing there
waiting on me.
1352
01:14:55,969 --> 01:14:58,972
When I walked up,
well, he said,"Man,
1353
01:14:59,016 --> 01:15:00,887
"I heard you've been
talking bad about my dad."
1354
01:15:00,931 --> 01:15:02,454
And he looked
down the street,
1355
01:15:02,498 --> 01:15:04,674
and I turned around and looked,
and I see four guys coming.
1356
01:15:04,717 --> 01:15:08,721
So, and I turned back
to him, he's backing up.
1357
01:15:08,765 --> 01:15:12,420
And they walked up to me.
One swung and he missed me.
1358
01:15:12,464 --> 01:15:13,987
The other ones started hitting
1359
01:15:14,031 --> 01:15:16,686
and as I'm looking to see
if Chris was gonna help me,
1360
01:15:16,729 --> 01:15:20,385
Chris was getting in the car.
He got in the car and drove off.
1361
01:15:20,428 --> 01:15:23,127
It's the police
in front of you.
You got your seat belt on?
1362
01:15:23,170 --> 01:15:25,346
Put your seat belt on.
The police have just seen you.
1363
01:15:25,390 --> 01:15:27,305
He just saw...
He just looked
in your car.
1364
01:15:30,656 --> 01:15:34,007
Is he turning around? No. Don't think so.
1365
01:15:34,051 --> 01:15:37,445
On the motorcycle. I don't think so.
1366
01:15:40,274 --> 01:15:41,841
How you doin'? Hi.
1367
01:15:41,885 --> 01:15:43,321
You're gonna stop
what you're doing, sir,
1368
01:15:43,364 --> 01:15:44,931
as your right front passenger
had no seat belt on...
1369
01:15:44,975 --> 01:15:48,326
He's filming me, sir.
He's filming a documentary.
1370
01:15:48,369 --> 01:15:49,762
ID, sir?
1371
01:15:55,115 --> 01:15:57,553
Give your registration
and insurance as well please.
1372
01:15:57,596 --> 01:16:00,077
My registration. Okay.
1373
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:01,687
Richard, are you okay?
1374
01:16:01,731 --> 01:16:03,733
I'm okay. Just getting
a breather.
1375
01:16:03,776 --> 01:16:06,039
Where did they kick you? Everywhere.
1376
01:16:06,083 --> 01:16:07,606
Like where? Everywhere.
1377
01:16:07,650 --> 01:16:09,303
My ribs...
1378
01:16:09,347 --> 01:16:12,480
They tried to hit me
in the face, but I was
down like this.
1379
01:16:12,524 --> 01:16:14,657
But I don't know how
they did my jaw like that.
1380
01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:19,444
No, they got balls in here
to keep me from
biting too hard.
1381
01:16:21,533 --> 01:16:25,276
Were you involved in
the Grim Sleeper case at all?
1382
01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:26,407
No, sir.
1383
01:16:26,451 --> 01:16:28,975
That's why it was
so important to me
1384
01:16:29,019 --> 01:16:32,022
that nobody knows
or see you in the neighborhood.
1385
01:16:32,065 --> 01:16:34,720
So you think he'd do
that to me, what'd he
have done to you guys?
1386
01:16:34,764 --> 01:16:37,027
Do you think he'll do something? I know he will.
1387
01:16:44,251 --> 01:16:46,036
We ran into Jerry.
1388
01:16:46,079 --> 01:16:49,082
He's living homeless
on the streets now.
1389
01:16:49,126 --> 01:16:50,606
How's it going, fellas?
1390
01:16:51,868 --> 01:16:53,217
How's it going, Nick?
How's it going?
1391
01:16:53,260 --> 01:16:55,306
How are you doing? Okay.
1392
01:16:55,349 --> 01:16:57,438
I thought you were
staying with gang buddies.
1393
01:16:57,482 --> 01:16:59,919
Who that? On 80 something...
1394
01:16:59,963 --> 01:17:01,965
85th? Yeah.
1395
01:17:02,008 --> 01:17:04,837
Yeah, I was, but it was
too much trouble over there,
too much hanging out.
1396
01:17:04,881 --> 01:17:07,579
You know, me,
I don't like crowds,
1397
01:17:07,623 --> 01:17:09,625
because it's easy to get in,
1398
01:17:09,668 --> 01:17:12,845
plus the police try to
come around more and more
over there.
1399
01:17:12,889 --> 01:17:15,848
You know, because there's
a lot of guys hanging out.
1400
01:17:15,892 --> 01:17:20,853
So I'm just on the streets now.
1401
01:17:20,897 --> 01:17:23,987
Jerry knew most of the women
picked up by Lonnie,
1402
01:17:24,030 --> 01:17:26,598
but he still hasn't been
interviewed by police.
1403
01:17:26,642 --> 01:17:30,863
Did you get
a feeling that he hated them?
1404
01:17:30,907 --> 01:17:34,737
Yeah, he would torture
a lot of women. A lot of them.
He will.
1405
01:17:34,780 --> 01:17:38,349
I mean, there had been
times I was there
when he tortured them.
1406
01:17:38,392 --> 01:17:40,568
You know, they'd howl
and start crying,
1407
01:17:40,612 --> 01:17:44,703
and he thought it was fun,
he laughed, gave me that
little funny grin,
1408
01:17:44,747 --> 01:17:46,313
or he'd wink an eye at me
1409
01:17:46,357 --> 01:17:50,448
and let me know that, you know,
he's just having fun.
1410
01:17:50,491 --> 01:17:53,799
He never did show me no...
1411
01:17:53,843 --> 01:17:56,846
How can I say this,
that he was killing.
1412
01:17:56,889 --> 01:17:58,586
I didn't see that in him,
1413
01:17:58,630 --> 01:18:02,068
but I knew that he was
torturing them a lot.
1414
01:18:02,112 --> 01:18:05,332
And when I'm saying a lot,
I mean a lot of young ladies.
1415
01:18:06,943 --> 01:18:08,292
You know... How many would you say?
1416
01:18:08,335 --> 01:18:09,989
Huh? How many?
1417
01:18:10,033 --> 01:18:13,689
I gotta say... Ooh, I mean,
we used to go out every week.
1418
01:18:13,732 --> 01:18:15,299
Every day.
1419
01:18:15,342 --> 01:18:17,780
And weekends. We have...
Weekends were just fun
for us.
1420
01:18:17,823 --> 01:18:20,043
'Cause like I said,
there's a lot of strawberries,
1421
01:18:20,086 --> 01:18:22,349
lot of females like
dealing cocaine.
1422
01:18:22,393 --> 01:18:25,744
They call it crack,
and they'd do anything.
1423
01:18:25,788 --> 01:18:27,746
I mean, we done
picked the females,
1424
01:18:27,790 --> 01:18:29,922
then we done gave
two dollars, both of us
to fuck,
1425
01:18:29,966 --> 01:18:31,445
and we gave her two dollars.
1426
01:18:32,882 --> 01:18:36,537
You know, I can't sit here
and make no stuff up,
1427
01:18:36,581 --> 01:18:38,061
because I was there.
1428
01:18:38,104 --> 01:18:42,761
Actually, myself, I was there.
And I know what we did.
1429
01:18:42,805 --> 01:18:45,285
And what did he like
to do with the girls?
1430
01:18:45,329 --> 01:18:47,723
He liked to
be rough with them.
1431
01:18:47,766 --> 01:18:49,768
Like I said, fuck them
in the ass, all that.
1432
01:18:49,812 --> 01:18:53,816
And you know, sticking those
thick balls and them sticks,
1433
01:18:53,859 --> 01:18:55,992
screwdrivers up in them,
you know.
1434
01:18:56,035 --> 01:18:59,517
He would stick the handles
of the screwdrivers, stick it
in them and fuck 'em.
1435
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,825
You know? Or he'd take
the screwdriver and just ram
them in the ass with it.
1436
01:19:02,868 --> 01:19:04,696
You know. I had seen it.
1437
01:19:04,740 --> 01:19:06,785
But, you know, I thought
like, "Shit."
1438
01:19:06,829 --> 01:19:09,222
At the time, I was
still smoking
while he was doing it.
1439
01:19:09,266 --> 01:19:13,009
And it didn't bother me
'cause I was on crack.
1440
01:19:15,446 --> 01:19:20,625
You know, there have been times
I actually asked God to
forgive me for what I did,
1441
01:19:20,668 --> 01:19:24,324
you know, but I knew for a fact
I didn't kill 'em.
1442
01:19:38,077 --> 01:19:40,645
Police say that
Enietra Washington
1443
01:19:40,688 --> 01:19:43,474
is the Grim Sleeper's sole
surviving witness.
1444
01:19:47,913 --> 01:19:51,917
It was Saturday night
November the 20th, 1988.
1445
01:19:51,961 --> 01:19:54,920
Enietra was going to a party
at a friend's house.
1446
01:19:54,964 --> 01:19:56,182
Then make a right.
1447
01:19:58,619 --> 01:20:02,885
Okay. Right here is
the corner store. I was
walking around the corner.
1448
01:20:02,928 --> 01:20:05,757
This store here?
1449
01:20:05,801 --> 01:20:08,455
And the car was parked
where the little white car is.
1450
01:20:08,499 --> 01:20:09,979
Uh-huh.
1451
01:20:10,022 --> 01:20:13,373
I didn't see him,
I saw his car.
1452
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,029
His car was a Pinto.
1453
01:20:17,073 --> 01:20:18,683
I said, "That's
really remarkable,"
1454
01:20:18,726 --> 01:20:22,034
'cause I ain't seen a Pinto
in like, years.
1455
01:20:23,557 --> 01:20:26,256
I guess he saw me
looking at his car.
1456
01:20:26,299 --> 01:20:27,866
He asked me
where I was going,
1457
01:20:27,910 --> 01:20:30,347
and I said,"Oh,
I'm going to a party.
1458
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:33,698
"I'm going around
my girlfriend's house
to let her do my hair."
1459
01:20:33,741 --> 01:20:35,874
And he says, "Come on,
I'll take you."
1460
01:20:35,918 --> 01:20:38,268
And then
at what point did he
pull the gun at you?
1461
01:20:38,311 --> 01:20:40,357
When he turned the corner.
1462
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:44,361
All right. So you just
got around the corner?
1463
01:20:44,404 --> 01:20:47,973
And I was...
Yeah, we had just...
He just like got in the car,
1464
01:20:48,017 --> 01:20:50,019
pulled out, and
the next thing
I knew, it was...
1465
01:20:50,062 --> 01:20:52,543
He said, like I said,
he said something to me,
1466
01:20:52,586 --> 01:20:55,720
and I turned to ask him
was he saying something,
1467
01:20:55,763 --> 01:20:57,243
And everything
got really quiet.
1468
01:20:57,287 --> 01:21:00,681
And I was going,
"Okay, what happened here?"
1469
01:21:00,725 --> 01:21:03,336
You know, talking to myself,
then I heard him say...
1470
01:21:03,380 --> 01:21:04,642
I turned my head
to say something,
1471
01:21:04,685 --> 01:21:07,166
and he said, "Bitch,
I'll shoot you again."
1472
01:21:07,210 --> 01:21:09,908
I said, "
You shot me?"
1473
01:21:09,952 --> 01:21:11,779
Guess I must have passed out. Were you bleeding?
1474
01:21:11,823 --> 01:21:15,000
Yeah. I must have passed out
and I didn't know
I passed out, but no...
1475
01:21:15,044 --> 01:21:19,178
All of a sudden, I felt
pressure on me, and I kinda
like whatever got me out of it,
1476
01:21:19,222 --> 01:21:21,311
he was on top,
and I was there fighting him.
1477
01:21:21,354 --> 01:21:23,226
And at what point
did he rape you?
1478
01:21:23,269 --> 01:21:25,271
I don't know.
I passed out by then,
1479
01:21:25,315 --> 01:21:27,012
and I didn't even know
I passed out.
1480
01:21:27,056 --> 01:21:29,797
Like I said, I woke up
to the pressure that was
upon my chest.
1481
01:21:29,841 --> 01:21:32,104
That was hurting me so bad.
1482
01:21:32,148 --> 01:21:34,846
Was he raping you then?
1483
01:21:34,890 --> 01:21:39,024
Or he just got through,
probably, and I was
pushing him off.
1484
01:21:44,508 --> 01:21:47,250
The bullet taken from
Enietra's chest,
1485
01:21:47,293 --> 01:21:51,254
a .25 caliber, was found
by ballistics experts
1486
01:21:51,297 --> 01:21:53,604
to have been fired
from the same gun
1487
01:21:53,647 --> 01:21:57,825
that was used in the murder
of eight other women
in the very same area.
1488
01:21:57,869 --> 01:22:02,004
But this information
was not released
for another 20 years.
1489
01:22:04,049 --> 01:22:06,834
The murders themselves,
all involving black women
1490
01:22:06,878 --> 01:22:08,662
from the South Central area
1491
01:22:08,706 --> 01:22:10,969
weren't reported
in theLA Times,
1492
01:22:11,013 --> 01:22:14,277
and didn't even make it
into the local news.
1493
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:17,280
The investigation moved
at a snail's pace
1494
01:22:17,323 --> 01:22:19,760
despite pressure from
the Black Coalition.
1495
01:22:21,806 --> 01:22:25,027
We had to press through
sort of political connections
1496
01:22:25,070 --> 01:22:27,812
to get somewhere from
the sheriff's department
to the table
1497
01:22:27,855 --> 01:22:30,032
and all they could tell us is
"We have a bullet,
1498
01:22:30,075 --> 01:22:35,515
"and we are waiting for
the gun that shot the bullet
to come through the station."
1499
01:22:35,559 --> 01:22:37,256
Like, really?
1500
01:22:37,300 --> 01:22:39,737
What kind of
police work is that?
1501
01:22:39,780 --> 01:22:43,915
If you think that this person
has killed just these 11 people,
1502
01:22:43,959 --> 01:22:45,917
let's not even worry about
what Margaret's talking about.
1503
01:22:45,961 --> 01:22:47,614
Let's just take these 11.
1504
01:22:47,658 --> 01:22:50,400
'You're waiting for the gun
1505
01:22:50,443 --> 01:22:55,144
"to come, you know, dressed
fashionably and walk in
to the station?"
1506
01:22:55,187 --> 01:22:57,407
This is how I was
talking to the detectives
in the meeting.
1507
01:22:57,450 --> 01:23:02,890
And say "Hey, here I am.
Match me to the bullet
if you can."
1508
01:23:02,934 --> 01:23:04,240
It's not gonna happen.
1509
01:23:04,283 --> 01:23:08,200
There was no movement
on the sheriff's end.
1510
01:23:08,244 --> 01:23:12,204
Enietra Washington should have been invaluable to the police.
1511
01:23:12,248 --> 01:23:17,166
She was able to describe
the Grim Sleeper's car,
the Pinto, in detail,
1512
01:23:17,209 --> 01:23:19,603
the same orange-colored Pinto
1513
01:23:19,646 --> 01:23:22,736
that Mary Lowe,
the Grim Sleeper's
previous victim,
1514
01:23:22,780 --> 01:23:25,087
was seen getting into
by a witness.
1515
01:23:27,045 --> 01:23:29,221
Enietra was also
able to bring detectives
1516
01:23:29,265 --> 01:23:33,573
to the very street that
Lonnie Franklin lived,
1517
01:23:33,617 --> 01:23:37,708
the street that he would be arrested in 22 years later.
1518
01:23:37,751 --> 01:23:41,146
All I remember is
the side way that he
walked around to the side.
1519
01:23:41,190 --> 01:23:43,844
Um, it wasn't made like this,
but I believe,
1520
01:23:43,888 --> 01:23:46,151
I believe it was
this house right here.
1521
01:23:46,195 --> 01:23:48,240
They painted it
'cause it was green.
1522
01:23:48,284 --> 01:23:52,201
So this is Lonnie's house,
and basically you told them...
1523
01:23:52,244 --> 01:23:54,246
Yeah,
it was two houses down.
1524
01:23:54,290 --> 01:23:59,164
You thought it was
not this house but the next one. - Right.
1525
01:23:59,208 --> 01:24:02,124
This one here. - Right.
1526
01:24:02,167 --> 01:24:04,343
And it then
took the police another...
1527
01:24:05,997 --> 01:24:08,217
twenty years
to find Lonnie's house.
1528
01:24:08,260 --> 01:24:10,175
Right.
1529
01:24:10,219 --> 01:24:14,049
Enietra also provided the sketch of the Grim Sleeper
1530
01:24:14,092 --> 01:24:16,877
which wasn't released
until 2009,
1531
01:24:16,921 --> 01:24:21,795
after theLA Weekly had already revealed there was a serial killer on the loose.
1532
01:24:21,839 --> 01:24:24,711
Police told me that
Enietra at the time
1533
01:24:24,755 --> 01:24:27,149
was regarded as unreliable.
1534
01:24:27,192 --> 01:24:31,762
Every black woman
is a hooker, didn't you know?
1535
01:24:31,805 --> 01:24:34,852
And so they
didn't take anything
she said seriously.
1536
01:24:34,895 --> 01:24:37,768
No, I mean, they got a sketch.
But what did they do
with the sketch?
1537
01:24:37,811 --> 01:24:39,248
They didn't show
the sketch to us.
1538
01:24:39,291 --> 01:24:43,121
We didn't see that thing
until over a decade later.
1539
01:24:43,165 --> 01:24:45,993
You know,
just the basic things
that you do.
1540
01:24:46,037 --> 01:24:48,039
You know,
just the basic things
that you do.
1541
01:24:48,083 --> 01:24:52,783
When we talked to the detective
in one of the meetings,
he was saying that
1542
01:24:52,826 --> 01:24:55,351
they did not
put out a sketch
1543
01:24:56,308 --> 01:24:59,920
because eyewitness
sketches often
1544
01:24:59,964 --> 01:25:03,098
are not that, um, reliable.
1545
01:25:03,141 --> 01:25:05,187
And so, that's why
they didn't put it out.
1546
01:25:05,230 --> 01:25:08,668
I said, "Ooh, can I use you
as an expert witness at my
criminal defense cases
1547
01:25:08,712 --> 01:25:10,975
"where my clients
are picked up
1548
01:25:11,018 --> 01:25:13,282
"based on eyewitness sketches
1549
01:25:13,325 --> 01:25:17,286
"because strangely, they're
super-reliable then."
1550
01:25:17,329 --> 01:25:19,549
You know, you guys
get up there and say,
1551
01:25:19,592 --> 01:25:24,815
"Look, the eyewitness gave us
the description, and we
turned it into a sketch,
1552
01:25:24,858 --> 01:25:30,081
"and it was close in time,
and so, this is what
the person must look like."
1553
01:25:30,125 --> 01:25:33,302
Now you're telling me that
these eyewitness sketches,
they're not for nothing?
1554
01:25:33,345 --> 01:25:38,307
This is wonderful.
Give me your card.
I need this information.
1555
01:25:38,350 --> 01:25:39,743
Come on!
1556
01:25:42,441 --> 01:25:45,227
Twenty-five years after
the killing began,
1557
01:25:45,270 --> 01:25:50,884
Lonnie Franklin was finally
arrested in July 2010.
1558
01:25:50,928 --> 01:25:54,149
One man preyed on the innocent,
1559
01:25:54,192 --> 01:25:58,414
stole the lives of women
living in some of
our toughest neighborhoods.
1560
01:25:58,457 --> 01:26:00,503
Today, I'm proud to announce
1561
01:26:00,546 --> 01:26:04,202
that this terror has
finally come to an end.
1562
01:26:04,246 --> 01:26:05,377
Amen.
1563
01:26:12,384 --> 01:26:16,301
Thanks to the recent
use of DNA evidence,
1564
01:26:16,345 --> 01:26:23,047
and even more importantly,
two decades of exhaustive
detective work,
1565
01:26:23,090 --> 01:26:27,094
25 years of reviewing
and reexamining evidence...
1566
01:26:27,138 --> 01:26:30,533
So what
was your reaction
to that press conference?
1567
01:26:30,576 --> 01:26:33,840
Oh,
the congratulatory one,
1568
01:26:33,884 --> 01:26:38,018
where Jerry Brown was there?
This was before
he was elected governor.
1569
01:26:38,062 --> 01:26:41,283
I thought it was quite a show.
1570
01:26:41,326 --> 01:26:43,546
And that's one of the reasons I took the mic.
1571
01:26:43,589 --> 01:26:44,721
Can I just...
1572
01:26:44,764 --> 01:26:46,244
Can I just add to that?
1573
01:26:46,288 --> 01:26:47,898
I'm Margaret Prescod,
1574
01:26:47,941 --> 01:26:50,770
founder of the Black Coalition
Fighting Back Serial Murders.
1575
01:26:50,814 --> 01:26:53,251
For us, it's been since 1985.
1576
01:26:53,295 --> 01:26:54,905
I have a file here
1577
01:26:54,948 --> 01:26:58,648
of documents going back
to 1985 that
were linear graphed.
1578
01:26:58,691 --> 01:27:01,912
It's a very emotional
time for us.
1579
01:27:01,955 --> 01:27:04,697
Detective Kilcoyne,
I'm not gonna get
up here and attack you.
1580
01:27:04,741 --> 01:27:06,917
I know that we've
been critical, and...
1581
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,311
I think
they were a bit shocked.
1582
01:27:09,354 --> 01:27:10,703
I don't think
the police chief
1583
01:27:10,747 --> 01:27:13,489
have had anybody take the mic from him before.
1584
01:27:13,532 --> 01:27:18,494
If I were them,
I would have done that
whole thing a lot differently.
1585
01:27:18,537 --> 01:27:21,627
But, you know, they wanted
a whole PR job,
1586
01:27:21,671 --> 01:27:23,629
they wanted to
pat themselves on the back,
1587
01:27:23,673 --> 01:27:27,285
they were the greatest thing
since sliced white bread,
1588
01:27:27,329 --> 01:27:32,638
and to really cover up
all of what had gone on before,
1589
01:27:32,682 --> 01:27:35,380
that was a big show,
giving the impression
1590
01:27:35,424 --> 01:27:38,557
that they were on the case,
and now they had their guy.
1591
01:27:38,601 --> 01:27:40,994
Yesterday...
1592
01:27:41,038 --> 01:27:46,739
Yesterday the LAPD arrested
Lonnie David Franklin Jr.
1593
01:27:46,783 --> 01:27:50,134
I contacted Mayor Villaraigosa for an interview
1594
01:27:50,177 --> 01:27:53,877
to get the city's point of view on the Grim Sleeper case.
1595
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:55,661
I received this reply.
1596
01:28:06,237 --> 01:28:09,980
I also tried to contact LA police chief, Charlie Beck,
1597
01:28:10,589 --> 01:28:12,896
who wrote back.
1598
01:28:12,939 --> 01:28:15,638
"The Department has
revisited your request
1599
01:28:15,681 --> 01:28:19,772
"and subsequently decided against granting an interview.
1600
01:28:19,816 --> 01:28:24,168
"Given that the primary area
of interest would be
the Lonnie Franklin case,
1601
01:28:24,211 --> 01:28:26,953
"neither the Chief
nor any criminologists
1602
01:28:26,997 --> 01:28:29,739
"from our Scientific
Investigation Division
1603
01:28:29,782 --> 01:28:32,829
"will be available
for comment."
1604
01:28:32,872 --> 01:28:36,702
We asked Dennis Kilcoyne,
head of the Grim Sleeper
Task Force
1605
01:28:36,746 --> 01:28:39,314
and his replacement,
Daryn Dupree,
1606
01:28:39,357 --> 01:28:42,360
repeatedly over a year
for an interview,
1607
01:28:42,404 --> 01:28:44,014
but they both refused.
1608
01:28:44,057 --> 01:28:46,843
We have done
our job correctly...
1609
01:28:46,886 --> 01:28:49,585
Margaret Prescod and
the Black Coalition
1610
01:28:49,628 --> 01:28:52,979
held their own press conference to put the record straight.
1611
01:28:53,023 --> 01:28:57,636
We're here
to say loud and clear
that every life is of value.
1612
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,072
Could you imagine
1613
01:28:59,116 --> 01:29:01,814
if these murders
had happened
in Beverly Hills?
1614
01:29:21,965 --> 01:29:24,750
When Lonnie Franklin was
finally arrested,
1615
01:29:24,794 --> 01:29:26,317
it was by accident,
1616
01:29:26,361 --> 01:29:29,146
and through his son
Christopher's DNA.
1617
01:29:33,368 --> 01:29:35,457
Lonnie was a breast man. He loved breasts.
1618
01:29:35,500 --> 01:29:37,763
That's what they got
the DNA from.
1619
01:29:37,807 --> 01:29:42,377
On the bodies and stuff,
they said the dead bodies,
you know, the DNA,
1620
01:29:42,420 --> 01:29:46,685
he had been sucking
their breasts, and that's
where the DNA is from.
1621
01:29:46,729 --> 01:29:49,166
Now, like I said,
do you know the story?
1622
01:29:49,209 --> 01:29:53,431
The way that they supposed
to have caught Lonnie
was through his son Chris.
1623
01:29:53,475 --> 01:29:54,911
Chris was arrested.
1624
01:29:54,954 --> 01:29:56,347
Chris' DNA.
1625
01:29:56,391 --> 01:29:58,567
They take your DNA
when you get arrested now.
1626
01:29:58,610 --> 01:30:00,830
Chris' DNA, they saying,"Hey.
1627
01:30:00,873 --> 01:30:03,223
"This DNA match..."
1628
01:30:03,267 --> 01:30:05,661
Almost a perfect match. Almost a perfect match
1629
01:30:05,704 --> 01:30:07,967
to these bodies and stuff
that they have.
1630
01:30:08,011 --> 01:30:13,582
So they're saying it had
to be an uncle or a father...
1631
01:30:13,625 --> 01:30:16,236
A close family member. A close family member.
1632
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:20,676
And then that's how
they got him. From Lonnie
to his son, you know.
1633
01:30:20,719 --> 01:30:22,286
And they said, "Ooh,
it's a match to Lonnie,"
1634
01:30:22,329 --> 01:30:24,462
and they followed Lonnie
to this pizza place.
1635
01:30:24,506 --> 01:30:26,899
and he was eating pizza
at the pizza parlor,
1636
01:30:26,943 --> 01:30:32,209
and then they got the DNA
from an empty cup
that he was drinking out of.
1637
01:30:32,252 --> 01:30:34,298
And bam, they arrested him.
1638
01:30:34,341 --> 01:30:36,126
They came to the house
and they arrested him.
1639
01:30:36,169 --> 01:30:37,780
That's how they got
the DNA through him.
1640
01:30:37,823 --> 01:30:39,434
And then the DNA on the girl,
1641
01:30:39,477 --> 01:30:41,174
that's where
the DNA come from,
1642
01:30:41,218 --> 01:30:43,481
'cause Lonnie was
a titty sucker.
He loves to suck titty.
1643
01:30:55,972 --> 01:30:59,192
That's Lonnie Franklin walking around in the pizza parlor
1644
01:30:59,236 --> 01:31:02,195
just before his piece of pizza was taken by police
1645
01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:04,763
and used for DNA analysis.
1646
01:31:07,026 --> 01:31:09,159
Four years later in court,
1647
01:31:09,202 --> 01:31:12,902
Lonnie's lawyers are
arguing that the DNA
was incorrectly seized,
1648
01:31:12,945 --> 01:31:15,513
and therefore,
can't be used as evidence
1649
01:31:15,557 --> 01:31:18,777
as it is a violation of
his Fourth Amendment right.
1650
01:31:18,821 --> 01:31:24,043
It is our issue
that Mr. Franklin
1651
01:31:24,087 --> 01:31:28,526
allowed his bodily fluid
1652
01:31:28,570 --> 01:31:32,617
to be taken under control
from what he thought was
a restaurant employee.
1653
01:31:32,661 --> 01:31:35,098
He believed it was
going to be mixed,
1654
01:31:35,141 --> 01:31:37,753
so the individualization of it
1655
01:31:37,796 --> 01:31:41,496
would be no longer identified,
1656
01:31:41,539 --> 01:31:43,889
and the general public would
no longer have access to it
1657
01:31:43,933 --> 01:31:46,544
until it was
put into a container
1658
01:31:46,588 --> 01:31:50,853
when you cannot identify
individually for himself.
1659
01:31:50,896 --> 01:31:52,332
Okay, what do you feel?
1660
01:31:52,376 --> 01:31:54,944
I felt it was gonna be mixed
with the rest of the trash.
1661
01:31:54,987 --> 01:31:59,122
Okay. And, um...
And then what did you think
1662
01:31:59,165 --> 01:32:02,038
would happen to it
once it was mixed with
the rest of the trash?
1663
01:32:02,081 --> 01:32:04,257
It would be disposed off. Okay.
1664
01:32:04,301 --> 01:32:08,087
And what do you mean
by "disposed off"?
1665
01:32:08,131 --> 01:32:11,613
Thrown away.
Just disposed off.
1666
01:32:11,656 --> 01:32:14,703
You know, got rid of,
in the trash. Okay.
1667
01:32:14,746 --> 01:32:19,229
Individually or collectively? Collectively.
1668
01:32:19,272 --> 01:32:21,144
And "collectively,"
what do you mean?
With other...
1669
01:32:21,187 --> 01:32:24,451
With other people's trash. Okay.
1670
01:32:24,495 --> 01:32:27,846
I've never heard of
the term "informed consent"
1671
01:32:27,890 --> 01:32:30,719
when it comes to
eating food at a restaurant
1672
01:32:30,762 --> 01:32:34,679
and having your items
cleared from the table.
You know, that's...
1673
01:32:36,681 --> 01:32:39,162
really out there, Mr. Amster.
1674
01:32:39,205 --> 01:32:44,646
So I'm gonna find that
once those items were
put into the trash,
1675
01:32:44,689 --> 01:32:47,605
and taken from the table,
1676
01:32:47,649 --> 01:32:54,438
he no longer had
Fourth Amendment interest
in those items anymore.
1677
01:32:54,481 --> 01:32:58,224
Lonnie's lawyers are accused of stalling to delay the trial.
1678
01:32:58,268 --> 01:33:01,793
I don't understand
what he's been
doing for a year.
1679
01:33:01,837 --> 01:33:06,450
We have the July trial date.
We're planning on going forward.
1680
01:33:06,493 --> 01:33:08,931
What is the date
when they'll be done
with the DNA?
1681
01:33:08,974 --> 01:33:11,716
I don't know. That's not
an acceptable answer.
1682
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:13,457
Well, that's the answer
I'm giving.
1683
01:33:13,500 --> 01:33:15,459
Well, I'm asking
the court to...
1684
01:33:15,502 --> 01:33:17,592
Um, if we can't get...
1685
01:33:17,635 --> 01:33:18,941
I've never heard
of this before,
1686
01:33:18,984 --> 01:33:20,812
Well, I'm sorry, Your Honor.
1687
01:33:20,856 --> 01:33:22,771
If Your Honor wants
to make a motion,
1688
01:33:22,814 --> 01:33:24,599
to terminate me
from this case,
1689
01:33:24,642 --> 01:33:27,514
that will deter me
from, Judge Almeida,
I will be done with this thing.
1690
01:33:27,558 --> 01:33:30,735
But I am pushing this.
I've got 18 murder sheets,
1691
01:33:30,779 --> 01:33:33,520
I'm pushing this as far
as fast as I can,
1692
01:33:33,564 --> 01:33:36,132
I am putting other cases
out of the way,
1693
01:33:36,175 --> 01:33:39,265
and if the court thinks
there's somebody else
that can do it faster,
1694
01:33:39,309 --> 01:33:41,267
then let the court make
the decision on this.
1695
01:33:45,707 --> 01:33:47,012
Twenty-six...
1696
01:33:52,409 --> 01:33:54,237
Where is it?
1697
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,761
Lonnie's son Chris called Pam.
1698
01:33:56,805 --> 01:33:58,458
He wanted to meet up.
1699
01:34:00,112 --> 01:34:02,767
Where do want? Twenty...
1700
01:34:02,811 --> 01:34:06,510
Just a minute.
Let me get it together.
1701
01:34:09,731 --> 01:34:13,343
There you go.
In the corner right there.
1702
01:34:13,386 --> 01:34:15,127
Where? Right there now.
A Honda.
1703
01:34:15,171 --> 01:34:16,215
There. He's sitting there.
1704
01:34:16,259 --> 01:34:18,000
I told you.
That's his green car.
1705
01:34:23,483 --> 01:34:24,702
So that's him.
1706
01:34:30,490 --> 01:34:31,796
Howdy.
1707
01:34:34,451 --> 01:34:36,061
Christopher said his father
1708
01:34:36,105 --> 01:34:38,237
had a lot of fans
in law enforcement
1709
01:34:38,281 --> 01:34:40,936
who admired him
for cleaning up the streets.
1710
01:34:40,979 --> 01:34:45,244
My dad has a lot of fans
in fucking jail systems and...
1711
01:34:45,288 --> 01:34:47,682
fuckin' weirdos
in the street,
1712
01:34:48,117 --> 01:34:49,422
uh...
1713
01:34:50,815 --> 01:34:52,643
Really?
1714
01:34:52,687 --> 01:34:54,558
There's a lot of sick people
out there. He got
a lot of fan mail.
1715
01:34:54,601 --> 01:34:58,693
It's crazy, man. People...
I've walked into sheriffs
that were like,
1716
01:34:58,736 --> 01:35:01,739
glorified that they were
able to talk to me.
1717
01:35:01,783 --> 01:35:05,221
"Oh, you're his son?
Dude, that's fucking crazy."
1718
01:35:05,264 --> 01:35:07,310
And you know,
I got all pumped up,
1719
01:35:07,353 --> 01:35:08,833
and I'm just
sitting there like,
1720
01:35:08,877 --> 01:35:10,443
"Please put me on
protective custody
away from you
1721
01:35:10,487 --> 01:35:12,271
"and the other fools
over there."
1722
01:35:13,838 --> 01:35:16,058
Chris was a prisoner himself
1723
01:35:16,101 --> 01:35:19,409
for the very offense for which his DNA was taken,
1724
01:35:19,452 --> 01:35:23,369
leading to Lonnie's arrest, when they both met in prison.
1725
01:35:23,413 --> 01:35:26,111
Did you feel guilty
about the DNA?
1726
01:35:26,155 --> 01:35:28,810
DNA. Fuck, man!
1727
01:35:28,853 --> 01:35:31,769
Like three years, man.
I just got over that.
1728
01:35:32,944 --> 01:35:36,948
I just got over that
probably this year.
1729
01:35:36,992 --> 01:35:39,559
Oh, yeah, you gotta
deal with the people.
1730
01:35:39,603 --> 01:35:42,388
The people,
the people are...
For me, man...
1731
01:35:42,432 --> 01:35:45,435
I didn't know how to
deal with that because
I'm from a line where
1732
01:35:45,478 --> 01:35:47,611
we don't have no snitches.
1733
01:35:47,654 --> 01:35:52,181
Nobody is a tattletale.
What do you do?
This is not third grade.
1734
01:35:52,224 --> 01:35:56,751
But people, they look at me
like that, like, oh,
told on my dad, like...
1735
01:35:56,794 --> 01:36:01,581
If I would have known,
I don't even think I...
I wouldn't have told.
1736
01:36:04,193 --> 01:36:07,805
I had a few of my family members telling me that I'd turned my dad in.
1737
01:36:07,849 --> 01:36:10,329
You know, that was funny.
1738
01:36:10,373 --> 01:36:13,680
You know, "My God, you sold
your dad out. We're not
talking to you anymore."
1739
01:36:13,724 --> 01:36:17,946
I haven't talked to
a lot of my family members
based on that,
1740
01:36:17,989 --> 01:36:20,165
because everyone thinks
I've turned my dad in.
1741
01:36:22,341 --> 01:36:25,518
My family is cold.
My family is real cold.
1742
01:36:27,825 --> 01:36:30,872
When you first saw him
after the arrest, did you hug?
1743
01:36:30,915 --> 01:36:34,614
No, we were handcuffed,
shackled. Head to toe.
1744
01:36:36,529 --> 01:36:42,057
So we just sat there and
twiddled our thumbs
while we were talking.
1745
01:36:42,100 --> 01:36:44,711
I mean, I probably would
have shot us both if we
didn't hug each other.
1746
01:36:44,755 --> 01:36:46,539
What did he
wanna talk about?
1747
01:36:47,932 --> 01:36:49,325
We didn't even know.
1748
01:36:50,326 --> 01:36:54,852
We were just there,
just... silence.
1749
01:36:54,896 --> 01:36:58,160
It's kind of...
I gotta say...
1750
01:36:58,203 --> 01:36:59,944
I don't know the word
to use for that,
1751
01:36:59,988 --> 01:37:03,034
but he speaks
in a different...
1752
01:37:04,731 --> 01:37:06,255
speaks in a different world,
1753
01:37:06,298 --> 01:37:09,954
like he's not even in there
for all the damn murders,
1754
01:37:09,998 --> 01:37:15,046
he's in there for
domestic violence or
receiving a stolen property.
1755
01:37:15,090 --> 01:37:19,790
And that kind of bothers me.
1756
01:37:19,834 --> 01:37:23,141
And did he apologize to you
or say anything to you?
1757
01:37:23,185 --> 01:37:26,928
What? No. For what?
1758
01:37:26,971 --> 01:37:31,193
This is really
one of them stories
where it's like...
1759
01:37:31,236 --> 01:37:34,457
I don't believe this.
No, seriously. No. No way.
1760
01:37:34,500 --> 01:37:36,546
What would he
apologize to me for?
1761
01:37:38,287 --> 01:37:41,420
Have you
kind of suffered a lot
through all this?
1762
01:37:43,118 --> 01:37:46,861
I lost my best friend, man. That was my dude.
1763
01:37:46,904 --> 01:37:49,341
There's nothing that
I can talk to him
about right now
1764
01:37:49,385 --> 01:37:52,649
because we're in
two different places.
1765
01:37:52,692 --> 01:37:56,479
And it's hard for me
to keep him up
with what's going on.
1766
01:37:58,742 --> 01:38:00,831
So, like I said,
I lost my best friend.
1767
01:38:00,875 --> 01:38:04,922
You know, you have somebody
to call on any time.
1768
01:38:04,966 --> 01:38:09,579
I just try. I try to
communicate with him,
you know, just...
1769
01:38:09,622 --> 01:38:12,756
I'm still his son.
Can't nobody change that.
1770
01:38:13,104 --> 01:38:15,280
So...
1771
01:38:15,324 --> 01:38:19,458
I just try and be there
for him as far as, you know,
this is a tough situation...
1772
01:38:19,502 --> 01:38:21,243
What was the first thing
he talked about?
1773
01:38:22,374 --> 01:38:24,159
I gotta say,
my dad was really...
1774
01:38:24,202 --> 01:38:27,379
Sometimes he talks about
how the attorneys are,
1775
01:38:27,423 --> 01:38:32,515
you know, doing what they can
and they're getting to
the bottom of things, or...
1776
01:38:33,211 --> 01:38:34,734
Clear his name,
1777
01:38:34,778 --> 01:38:36,388
and other stuff,
1778
01:38:36,432 --> 01:38:40,915
like he's innocent.
To the point.
1779
01:38:42,655 --> 01:38:47,356
Yeah. What do you
think about that?
1780
01:38:52,578 --> 01:38:55,407
It's all a mind game.
1781
01:39:06,375 --> 01:39:10,988
In the past, Los Angeles police used the term "NHI,"
1782
01:39:11,032 --> 01:39:13,295
police slang for
"No Human Involved"
1783
01:39:13,338 --> 01:39:17,255
to describe the murders of prostitutes and drug addicts.
1784
01:39:17,299 --> 01:39:20,128
Many feel this attitude
continues today.
1785
01:39:20,171 --> 01:39:22,695
Hi! - Hi.
1786
01:39:22,739 --> 01:39:24,784
There's Mikey right there.
See her?
1787
01:39:24,828 --> 01:39:26,743
That's Mikey. That's Mikey.
1788
01:39:26,786 --> 01:39:28,484
See her? That's Mikey.
1789
01:39:28,527 --> 01:39:30,007
There she go. Where she at?
Mikey, show 'em you're there.
1790
01:39:30,051 --> 01:39:31,878
That's Mikey right here.
1791
01:39:31,922 --> 01:39:33,054
These are all
Grim Sleeper survivors
1792
01:39:33,097 --> 01:39:34,577
Pam managed to find.
1793
01:39:34,620 --> 01:39:37,014
They all were too scared
to talk to police.
1794
01:39:37,058 --> 01:39:39,060
And why
were you looking like that?
1795
01:39:39,103 --> 01:39:40,583
I had fallen asleep.
1796
01:39:40,626 --> 01:39:43,020
Nodded out or something.
1797
01:39:43,064 --> 01:39:45,066
Why? Did he give you drugs? Yeah.
1798
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:48,069
I was using drugs real bad
at the time.
1799
01:39:49,940 --> 01:39:51,115
Shall we go in?
1800
01:39:53,683 --> 01:39:55,902
Pam brought them to our office
1801
01:39:55,946 --> 01:39:58,166
because most of them
live on the streets,
1802
01:39:58,209 --> 01:40:00,777
and they're scared to
be seen talking with us.
1803
01:40:04,389 --> 01:40:09,220
Officially, Enietra Washington is the only surviving witness,
1804
01:40:09,264 --> 01:40:11,962
but in reality,
there are many.
1805
01:40:14,921 --> 01:40:16,358
So what's your name?
1806
01:40:17,620 --> 01:40:19,404
Cookie.
1807
01:40:19,448 --> 01:40:22,364
And how long have you
been on the street?
1808
01:40:23,060 --> 01:40:24,888
Uh, since I was 18.
1809
01:40:27,151 --> 01:40:29,327
And how long did you
meet Lonnie?
1810
01:40:29,371 --> 01:40:31,982
About six to seven months.
1811
01:40:32,026 --> 01:40:34,898
You were with him? Yes.
1812
01:40:34,941 --> 01:40:36,291
Ten times or more?
1813
01:40:36,334 --> 01:40:37,727
Yeah, maybe more.
1814
01:40:37,770 --> 01:40:39,685
Yeah, I have been
with him more, sexually.
1815
01:40:39,729 --> 01:40:41,644
Why did you go with him
so many times?
1816
01:40:41,687 --> 01:40:43,602
'Cause he paid me.
1817
01:40:43,646 --> 01:40:48,607
You know, I was prostituting
real, you know, heavy then,
so...
1818
01:40:49,478 --> 01:40:51,088
It was about the money.
1819
01:40:52,133 --> 01:40:54,483
I'm not a prostitute
nor a whore.
1820
01:40:54,526 --> 01:40:58,574
You know, I meet men
on the streets and
they'd be nice to me,
1821
01:40:58,617 --> 01:41:01,838
but this particular night,
this man wasn't nice.
1822
01:41:01,881 --> 01:41:05,059
I met him in '90...
1823
01:41:06,451 --> 01:41:10,629
'87. '87.
1824
01:41:10,673 --> 01:41:14,720
I think '91, '92.
1825
01:41:14,764 --> 01:41:18,159
2012. I mean 2007.
1826
01:41:18,202 --> 01:41:21,510
And he had approached me,
1827
01:41:21,553 --> 01:41:24,382
very kind man, sweet guy,
1828
01:41:24,426 --> 01:41:29,909
and asked me if I smoked.
I told him, "Yeah."
1829
01:41:29,953 --> 01:41:33,391
It was one late night,
I was walking down the street,
1830
01:41:33,435 --> 01:41:37,134
um, yes, I do drugs,
I was high at the time,
1831
01:41:37,178 --> 01:41:39,397
was trying to get more money
to get more drugs,
1832
01:41:39,441 --> 01:41:42,226
and a van pulled up.
1833
01:41:42,270 --> 01:41:45,664
I'd seen him circle the block.
He kept circling the block.
1834
01:41:45,708 --> 01:41:47,101
He pulled over,
1835
01:41:48,014 --> 01:41:50,452
and asked me
do I wanna get high,
1836
01:41:50,495 --> 01:41:52,802
mm, and do I need some money.
1837
01:41:54,282 --> 01:41:57,894
So I said, "Sure."
1838
01:41:57,937 --> 01:42:02,203
So I get in,
and I take my block down,
1839
01:42:02,246 --> 01:42:05,858
I keep the window down,
little safety,
1840
01:42:05,902 --> 01:42:08,948
'cause at nighttime,
your voice carries
if you scream.
1841
01:42:08,992 --> 01:42:13,039
He seemed nice, you know,
intelligent, in the beginning.
1842
01:42:13,083 --> 01:42:16,521
And he asked me why
would a pretty girl like me
be out there smoking.
1843
01:42:16,565 --> 01:42:18,828
Did I wanna go with him?
1844
01:42:18,871 --> 01:42:22,223
So I walked with him,
and we got in his car,
1845
01:42:22,266 --> 01:42:23,920
and he took me to his house.
1846
01:42:23,963 --> 01:42:25,878
The man's house is nasty.
1847
01:42:25,922 --> 01:42:27,184
Where would he take you?
1848
01:42:28,490 --> 01:42:30,144
In his garage.
1849
01:42:31,623 --> 01:42:33,886
He never wanted to go
in the bedroom, you know.
1850
01:42:33,930 --> 01:42:36,802
And he had pictures of
a lot of girls and stuff.
1851
01:42:39,631 --> 01:42:42,068
Crossed out. He used to
have them crossed out.
1852
01:42:42,112 --> 01:42:44,984
He was weird
'cause we had...
1853
01:42:45,028 --> 01:42:46,290
He wanted to do
different things,
1854
01:42:46,334 --> 01:42:47,857
he wanted to do
stupid stuff.
1855
01:42:47,900 --> 01:42:49,467
I got naked,
1856
01:42:49,511 --> 01:42:51,513
he showed me the money
but he never put it
in my hands.
1857
01:42:51,556 --> 01:42:55,256
Uh, then he started,
he wanted me to
give him head and stuff.
1858
01:42:55,299 --> 01:42:58,302
It was okay for me to do that,
but he never gave me the money.
1859
01:43:00,478 --> 01:43:03,220
It was normal
at first, and then
1860
01:43:03,264 --> 01:43:04,961
he started
doing weird things,
1861
01:43:05,004 --> 01:43:07,398
asked me to do weird...
you know...
1862
01:43:08,660 --> 01:43:12,447
sex with things,
with bottles, and...
1863
01:43:12,490 --> 01:43:17,930
He would ask me to
just take like
a 40-ounce bottle
1864
01:43:17,974 --> 01:43:20,846
and stick it in my pussy,
and I wouldn't do it.
1865
01:43:20,890 --> 01:43:24,850
You know, after he done
played with himself with it
or something like that.
1866
01:43:24,894 --> 01:43:27,549
Or paid me to go
get other girls and stuff,
you know,
1867
01:43:27,592 --> 01:43:30,987
and after that I never
seen them girls again or
heard from 'em, you know.
1868
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:32,293
How many?
1869
01:43:32,336 --> 01:43:34,991
I brought him
like maybe four of 'em.
1870
01:43:35,034 --> 01:43:37,776
He paid me, but I've never
seen them again after that.
1871
01:43:39,300 --> 01:43:40,953
Did police
ever talk to you?
1872
01:43:40,997 --> 01:43:44,087
No, I never talked
to the police. No.
1873
01:43:45,958 --> 01:43:47,699
He took me to his house
1874
01:43:47,743 --> 01:43:51,573
on Western in 81st,
1875
01:43:51,616 --> 01:43:55,490
uh, at the time, I believe
the house was like green.
1876
01:43:55,881 --> 01:43:56,926
Green?
1877
01:43:56,969 --> 01:43:59,972
Yes. The house was green.
1878
01:44:02,323 --> 01:44:08,372
I remember that everything
in it was like soundproof.
1879
01:44:08,416 --> 01:44:11,288
No one can hear you outside.
1880
01:44:11,332 --> 01:44:13,334
He wanted to put
the handcuffs on me.
1881
01:44:13,377 --> 01:44:17,033
He wanted to put
the handcuffs, one
against the bed,
1882
01:44:17,076 --> 01:44:19,601
you know, hang me up.
1883
01:44:19,644 --> 01:44:21,646
And it scared me.
I mean, no.
1884
01:44:22,517 --> 01:44:24,780
I was scared.
Yes, I was.
1885
01:44:24,823 --> 01:44:26,347
It was one door
1886
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:29,263
that he had locked
from inside and...
1887
01:44:30,786 --> 01:44:32,309
I knew.
1888
01:44:32,353 --> 01:44:35,269
So when he's saying that
I wasn't trying to
1889
01:44:35,312 --> 01:44:38,707
abide by what he wanted
me to do, then he
started getting aggressive.
1890
01:44:38,750 --> 01:44:41,362
You know, telling me,
"Oh, you're gonna
give me some head.
1891
01:44:41,405 --> 01:44:42,798
"You know you're gonna
give me some head."
1892
01:44:42,841 --> 01:44:44,321
And I'm like, "Give me money,"
you know?
1893
01:44:44,365 --> 01:44:46,018
And he was like, "Oh,
you're gonna get the money."
1894
01:44:46,062 --> 01:44:52,111
I tried to help him out
of his pants, but...
1895
01:44:53,156 --> 01:44:54,549
I couldn't.
1896
01:44:56,290 --> 01:44:58,248
You couldn't? I couldn't.
1897
01:44:58,596 --> 01:44:59,815
I...
1898
01:44:59,858 --> 01:45:01,207
I...
1899
01:45:01,251 --> 01:45:03,079
It was like picking up an egg.
1900
01:45:04,385 --> 01:45:06,125
Mm-mm.
1901
01:45:06,169 --> 01:45:10,608
And his body was... It was
like he had been in a freezer.
1902
01:45:10,652 --> 01:45:12,262
His body was cold.
1903
01:45:12,306 --> 01:45:15,874
His body... Part of his body,
it was cold.
1904
01:45:15,918 --> 01:45:18,312
And nothing was happening.
I couldn't...
1905
01:45:19,051 --> 01:45:20,879
I couldn't help him.
1906
01:45:20,923 --> 01:45:23,012
He got out the van
and got to the...
1907
01:45:23,055 --> 01:45:24,883
He picked my clothes.
I guess he was
1908
01:45:24,927 --> 01:45:27,059
taking my clothes so
I can't put them back on.
1909
01:45:27,103 --> 01:45:28,757
During the process when
he was getting out the van,
1910
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,237
he left the van door
cracked a little bit.
1911
01:45:31,281 --> 01:45:33,196
I took off and
ran down the street.
1912
01:45:33,239 --> 01:45:36,895
I ran halfway down
the block butt-naked,
1913
01:45:36,939 --> 01:45:40,377
and this lady I seen,
I was screaming,
asking her for help,
1914
01:45:40,421 --> 01:45:43,380
she let me in her car
and she dropped me off
at a friend's house.
1915
01:45:43,424 --> 01:45:46,601
I keep Visine on me
1916
01:45:46,644 --> 01:45:49,604
'cause it puts people to sleep.
It really works.
1917
01:45:49,647 --> 01:45:51,170
I keep Visine.
1918
01:45:51,214 --> 01:45:53,477
and so I had some Visine
and, uh,
1919
01:45:53,521 --> 01:45:57,307
and I had him get a drink.
I had him get a Remy.
1920
01:45:57,351 --> 01:45:59,527
I remember I had him
go get a Remy.
1921
01:45:59,570 --> 01:46:01,267
And I put him to sleep.
1922
01:46:01,311 --> 01:46:03,879
I didn't insult him.
1923
01:46:03,922 --> 01:46:06,751
The Grim Sleeper? Yes, I didn't belittle him.
1924
01:46:06,795 --> 01:46:09,058
You know, I didn't
mock his body.
1925
01:46:10,929 --> 01:46:16,195
And then you wanna kill me?
And I didn't do that?
1926
01:46:18,284 --> 01:46:19,721
I didn't try to rob you,
1927
01:46:19,764 --> 01:46:21,810
I didn't set you up,
I didn't do any of that.
1928
01:46:21,853 --> 01:46:24,465
Yeah, okay, yeah,
I was out there.
1929
01:46:25,988 --> 01:46:27,816
That doesn't mean
I'm nothing.
1930
01:46:30,209 --> 01:46:31,950
That doesn't mean
I'm nothing.
1931
01:46:34,213 --> 01:46:36,128
Like I'm a piece of trash.
1932
01:46:40,045 --> 01:46:43,309
I was trapped.
I was trapped.
1933
01:46:46,835 --> 01:46:48,227
I was trapped.
1934
01:46:48,271 --> 01:46:51,143
It's not what I wanted.
1935
01:46:52,014 --> 01:46:53,494
That's not what I wanted.
1936
01:46:53,537 --> 01:46:55,713
That's not the life I wanted.
1937
01:46:58,716 --> 01:47:02,328
What I'm trying to explain to you and say to you is that
1938
01:47:02,372 --> 01:47:06,985
just because they have Lonnie
doesn't mean this is over with.
1939
01:47:07,029 --> 01:47:10,424
There's another motherfucker
out there just as sick as he is.
1940
01:47:10,467 --> 01:47:11,599
You know what I mean?
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