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[Menacing rumble]
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[Berry vo] You should be here
in Lincoln when they have an
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execution.
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[Faint echoes of
laughter and cheers]
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The people partying and
drinking beer and yelling.
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A smaller group
with candles praying.
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Ominous music
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[mckee vo] One of the
penitentiary guards was taking
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him to the room, and Charley
says, "what's your hurry?"
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[Cell door slams]
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Executions are always scheduled
for early-morning hours because
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there is a tremendous
drain on electricity.
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[O'Donnell vo] When they were
strapping him in the electric
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chair, he said, "these
straps are too loose.
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Would you please tighten them?"
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And then, they asked him
if he had any last words,
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and he said, "no."
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[Mckee vo] It came and
it went and it was done.
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1959, he was gone.
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[Male reporter] Okay,
Floyd, you just came out.
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Did it disturb you?
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No, it didn't
particularly disturb me.
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I...
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I have been concerned about my
own feelings of compassion and
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emotion since then and
wondering why it didn't.
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Sparse dramatic music
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nothing.
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Eerie music
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[Larkin vo] [Chuckling] There
was no way Charley was going
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anywhere but to the afterlife.
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You watched all of the
anger and hurt and fear,
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and with Charley gone, there
was only one person left to take
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that pain out on and it was her.
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People wanted payback.
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Her hands were
bound in front of her,
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and there was a
gag on her mouth.
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[Man vo] It was the first of
its kind... these rebels without
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a cause killing
people for no reason.
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You could feel the fear
just on the TV itself.
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[Man vo] Charley starkweather
saw himself as James Dean.
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I think he's crazy.
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[Man vo] Caril always
wanted to be somebody.
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She wanted to be a star.
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[Woman vo] I thought, "oh, wow,
is she a hard-lookin' broad."
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[Man vo] I see,
really, a scared little girl.
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[Man vo] The only two people
who witnessed what went on were
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Charles
starkweather and caril fugate,
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and everybody else is dead.
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Few of us have occasion to know
women who have been in jail...
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And even fewer who have
been in a penitentiary.
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And this is not surprising,
primarily because a woman must
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commit a shocking crime, indeed,
and be completely rejected by
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the community before the
court will incarcerate a woman.
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[Anderson vo] There's
always been a kind of willful
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innocence.
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It's all nice, it's all
one nice middleclass,
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we're nice to each
other, it's prospering.
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And whatever we do is
okay because we're good,
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we're the good guys."
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That has always been there.
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[Male vo] The state contended
that caril fugate willingly
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aided and abetted starkweather
in this crime and was equally
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guilty under the law.
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And she was in this
absolutely paralyzing situation.
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[Male reporter] Caril!
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[Male vo] Led near-collapse
from the courtroom,
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she became the youngest person
ever to face life imprisonment
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in this state.
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Reformatory that she did.
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Control, bring a
closure to it, and move on.
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But with caril, I'm not sure
she would understand what prison
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was...
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Until, you know, it happened.
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Because she was
still a juvenile,
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she was in solitary confinement.
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She was not allowed
to be with anybody.
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she was put in a situation that
is usually considered torture
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for about a year and a half,
until she could be put into
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general population.
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So...
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I understand it was so horrific,
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and the staff had never
dealt with a 14-year-old girl.
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Stern, you know...
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Not-caring.
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Imagine, you
know, a 14-year-old.
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You know, "I need my mother."
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And, uh...
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She didn't have a mother.
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I lost my family too.
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There was days when I would
just cry out of loneliness,
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you know, for
another human being.
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Well, I used to
sit by my window,
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'cause my window
looked out onto our gate,
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and I used to think, you know,
"they're gonna come and they're
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gonna find out.
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You know, they're gonna...
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They know that I didn't."
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And I'd wait and I'd wait
and I'd watch out the window,
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and every time a
car would come in,
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I'd just kinda hold my breath.
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[Jeff mcarthur vo]
There's a naivet.
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I mean, even when
she was in prison,
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she still had this
optimism that "someday,
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I'll be free."
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Caril wanted a new case,
she wanted another trial,
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even if there had been a risk
of her having a more severe
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sentence.
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She wanted to prove
herself innocent.
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And there was a
supreme court decision.
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I was still in high
school at the time.
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[John mcarthur vo] It was
relating to whether caril could
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even be tried as an
adult, which she was.
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Her hopes were high that "the
supreme court will correct this,
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they don't have any choice!"
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Eerie tense music
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but the supreme court held that
she could be tried as an adult.
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Judges, courts are like anybody
else: They are subject to the
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public opinion.
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[Cell door slams]
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Caril was devastated.
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Suspenseful synth music
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[thunder crashes]
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[Murley vo] In the
public consciousness,
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it was a sensational
crime at the time,
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because you've got all of
these very powerful themes,
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presented in the
package of these two kids:
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Juvenile delinquency...
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Love gone wrong...
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Rape and murder.
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[Anderson vo] From a
storytelling sense,
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it, like, fit pulpy
storytelling from the get-go.
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Rebels without a cause going out
and killing people for no reason
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and driving across america.
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"I'm a nomad with
300 horsepower."
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You could maintain your
sanctimony and your piety as
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you're reveling in every
detail of the sex and death.
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Tense music
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[ransick vo] While
Charley was on death row,
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he set out to write
his autobiography.
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Amazingly, a reporter that was
favorable to him helped him get
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a truncated version
printed in parade magazine,
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the number-one
magazine in america,
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with his own byline.
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I mean, it's absurd.
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He was insane.
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[Charles vo] All the time
the spree was taking place,
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I was scared...
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Jittery, tired
from loss of sleep.
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I was gonna give up.
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Caril then threatened out loud
that she wasn't gonna give up,
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and that no one else
was gonna make her.
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And with a shotgun laying across
her lap with the barrel pointing
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directly at me...
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And with her fast
talking, she convinced me...
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That we didn't have
anything to gain by giving up."
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[Ransick vo] Charley
stole caril's narrative,
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and parade magazine started
part of the false narrative that
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caril was in
cahoots with this guy.
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Everybody started to look at
the case the way they wanted and
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would take Charley
starkweather's narrative and
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concoct their own stories.
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It started to seep
into popular culture...
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With 'the sadist.'
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dramatic horror music
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there was actually a
'gunsmoke' episode...
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If a fella's smart,
he can live by his wits.
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The 'naked city' episode...
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[Man vo] What about
the starkweather case?
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How many people did they kill?
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13, I think.
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A nice, round
superstitious number.
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[Ransick vo] People were
selling tickets to a certain
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narrative, and caril
never got a break.
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Well, I'm not
responsible; I'm underage.
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Take that cigarette
out of your mouth.
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You take it out of my mouth.
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Caril was a sort of
innocent-seeming schoolgirl...
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Willing to reverse all of the
moral and social codes of her
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society.
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She was a backstabber...
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A narcissist...
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Our for herself.
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Please, I beg of you,
talk to your boyfriend.
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Tell him this is wrong.
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Tell him, please!
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My god, child, haven't
you any feelings at all?!
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[woman shrieks]
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[Murley vo] The starkweather
case became a mirror reflecting
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the darker
aspects of our society,
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our humanity.
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[Ransick vo] This set of crimes
and these characters stayed in
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the national memory...
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For better and for worse.
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[Wind blowing]
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[Woman] You're here with us
now in a home away from home.
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What you did is
immaterial to me.
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I want you to understand
that I look at you as a girl...
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And you're starting a new life.
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She had to maintain a
very precarious balance.
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She had to...
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Walk a tight rope.
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She could not identify with the
inmates or she would become an
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inmate in spirit, in outlook.
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She had to be aloof from the
management or she would incur
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the enmity of the inmates.
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you know, having gone through
the trauma with starkweather,
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I mean, that wold be a
horrifying experience for
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anyone.
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I mean, he groomed that girl
from the day he met her as to
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control her.
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So caril, you know, did
not trust too many people,
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and she carried
the baggage, yeah,
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of that whole crime
into the prison system.
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I tried, always, to
speak quietly to caril...
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And some way or other, I just
tried to instill into her a
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quieter voice, a nicer walk...
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And things that I
thought would help her,
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because I had no idea, really,
that caril would be with us as
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long as she was.
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I started in
corrections in York,
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Nebraska in '68, and caril
Ann fugate was the gate girl,
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so when I went in
for the interview,
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caril Ann fugate
opened the gate for me,
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[chuckling] Which I had
no idea this was her.
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The women worse housedresses.
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They could not wear makeup, and
when they spoke to the staff,
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they were not to look at us.
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[Cell door slams]
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But that was the era;
We were very punitive.
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I started out on night shift
and Rose through the ranks.
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Normally, to become a warden,
you were usually 55 years old,
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60.
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[Man vo] Today, the reformatory
is run by 36-year-old Jackie
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Crawford, the youngest
warden in the United States.
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You know, there's a certain
therapeutic value to lockup,
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and we have seen women
grow... really grow.
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I was young and I was
adventurous and bold... much
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bolder than probably
should have been... and,
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at that time, made
a lot of changes.
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[Man vo] The
reformatory's rules are strict,
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but the atmosphere
is generally relaxed.
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Jackie Crawford allowed for
a lot more freedoms of the
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prisoners.
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And one of those programs was to
allow inmates who were on good
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behavior to go
see their lawyers.
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So caril could go and
spend a whole weekend with my
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grandparents or with
my parents in Lincoln.
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I was even babysat by
her a couple of times.
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And my father took her to the
swimming pool of this apartment
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complex that he owned.
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We just all went out swimming,
had a good day and all that,
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and then caril was
taken back to the prison.
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And complained about it.
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And Jackie Crawford stopped
allowing her to go to Lincoln,
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because people were
so hateful of her.
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To this day, you go there
and you bring up caril fugate,
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a lot of people will say, "she
should have been right there on
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Charley's lap."
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The emotion of this whole
thing, it permeated Lincoln.
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There's a stigma,
and in corrections,
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we're not there to forgive.
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[Alarm ringing]
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We're not there for atonement.
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The women, they have to be
able to look in that mirror,
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and they know what they've
done or what they haven't done,
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and they have to live
with that; I don't.
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[Caril vo] I really wish that
there was something I could do.
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I wish there was some magic
word I could say or [sniffles]
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A magic phrase...
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Or something...
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That would... you
know, that could...
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Bring these people back.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm deeply sorry it happened.
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And, um...
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I swear to almighty god,
I never killed any of them.
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Tender ethereal music
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I missed a part here.
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[Sewing machine tapping]
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You know, when
caril was incarcerated,
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she was never once cited
for any disciplinary action.
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[Jackie vo] Caril was a
very passive kind of person.
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She never really challenged
any rule or any direction,
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and any time there was any
controversy or any tension in
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the institution, she froze.
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She froze; I watched her.
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Jackie Crawford told me caril
came to her crying one day and
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said she wanted to be
locked up in solitary.
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And Jackie asked, "why in
the world would you want to do
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that?"
[chuckles]
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Caril kept saying that other
inmates were trying to incite
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her to do something to break the
rules 'cause they knew of her
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perfect record, [chuckling]
Which probably very few of them
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had.
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Caril said, [chuckling]
"I'm afraid I'll blow...
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I'll do something."
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[Jackie vo] She was tortured.
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She was tortured every day.
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When people would
come in, you know,
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to tour... you know, special
interest groups... the first
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thing out of
everyone's mouth: "Oh,
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where's caril Ann fugate?
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Where's that murderer?"
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You know...
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She said, "if I hadn't hooked up
with this guy or met this guy,
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you know, all of this
wouldn't have happened.
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It's really my fault."
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She continuously blamed
herself for so much of it.
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"Why didn't you run here, or
why didn't you run there when
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you had this opportunity
or that opportunity?"
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And at no time...
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Did I have a
clear-cut opportunity.
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No time, without it being
said that someone would die.
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[Ward vo] I feel like one of
the reasons why this story is so
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powerful and so
resonant is because of her.
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She was the story
more than he was,
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because without
her, he's just...
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A guy walking
around killing people.
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There must have been so much
speculation about the fact that
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they broke the norms of their
repressive small-town Nebraska,
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you know, society and
struck out on their own,
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and I can only imagine
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how many teenagers
fantasized about being
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able to do that... you know,
maybe minus the murder spree.
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Hey, where you goin'?!
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[Gunshots]
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[Murley vo] And 'badlands'
was clearly picking up on this
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archetype in 1973.
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[Holly] Daddy?
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This is Holly.
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[Murley vo] In that movie,
malick is narrating the crime
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spree, obviously.
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Hey.
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[Gunshots]
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[Murley vo] And the
relationship between these two
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kids.
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Tense ambient music
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but with 'badlands, ' it did much
more than just present a crime
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story.
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It was questioning not just
why these kids did this but,
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like, what does this mean?
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Who are we that this happens?
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Through the lens of that crime,
malick is trying to understand
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the desire to live an image,
rather than a boring reality...
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Rather than just, you know, your
boring old "I'm a garbage man."
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[Man vo] You know who that
son of a bitch looks like?
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I'll kiss your ass if you
don't look like James Dean.
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[Murley vo] He's able to
explore ideas about nihilism and
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existentialism.
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And maybe that's why he wanted
to distance himself from the
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actual starkweather events:
Because he was doing something
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so different with their story.
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Tender ethereal music
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when the movie
'badlands" was made,
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Terrence malick and Martin sheen
brought the movie to York and
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had a private
screening with caril.
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[Malick vo] She had made
arrangements to get out on a
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weekend leave...
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Just so we could
all gather and talk.
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You know, at the only cafe
[Chuckling] they have in York,
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and he was just so humble and
was so comfortable with caril.
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And then, the movie.
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[Film reel ticking]
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[James mcarthur vo]
When we sat in the theater,
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there weren't very many of us.
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Everybody was talking...
What was caril's reaction going
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to be?
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Martin's depiction of
starkweather... his mannerisms
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were just exactly
what she remembered.
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Where he's by this box car and
he's mumbling to himself going
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back and forth...
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She says, "I can remember
Charley doing that very thing,"
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and that's what
disturbed her about it.
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Caril reached out to
Martin, and she said,
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"Charley, you've
come back to haunt me."
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And to the degree I had a
crazy adolescent phase,
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I was at the peak
or depths of that.
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And I went to the film
knowing that this was based on
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starkweather and fugate.
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So it just struck many nerves.
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[Kit] Hey!
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It was only much
later, actually,
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that I realized, "this
is a romanticization."
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That film made Charley
starkweather look much better
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than Charles starkweather was.
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[Kit] Don't worry, now, i'm
gonna get you off these charges.
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There's a whole lot of other
boys out there waitin' for
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you...
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And you're gonna
have a lot of fun.
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And at the house that would
have been my grandparents,
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00:24:04,932 --> 00:24:07,742
the scenario played
out really differently.
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[Kit] Hi.
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Yes?
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00:24:10,442 --> 00:24:11,742
[Kit] This your place?
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00:24:11,942 --> 00:24:13,072
Yes.
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00:24:13,272 --> 00:24:16,412
[Kit] Anyone else
here besides you two?
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00:24:16,612 --> 00:24:17,752
No.
402
00:24:17,952 --> 00:24:20,412
[Ward vo] Nobody gets
killed in that house.
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00:24:20,612 --> 00:24:22,082
Good deal.
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00:24:22,282 --> 00:24:24,082
Okay, come on, you
two, down in the cellar.
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[Ward vo] That movie was
so much less brutal than the
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actual murders.
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00:24:29,962 --> 00:24:32,432
[Gunshots]
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00:24:32,632 --> 00:24:33,432
Think I got 'em?
409
00:24:33,632 --> 00:24:34,632
I don't know.
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00:24:34,802 --> 00:24:37,262
Well, I'm not going
down there to look.
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00:24:37,462 --> 00:24:40,722
[Battisti vo] 'Badlands'
is really a fairytale.
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00:24:43,732 --> 00:24:48,812
It was nothing like caril's
sojourn with mr starkweather.
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Eerie piano music
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sissy spacek as
caril went through,
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00:24:56,822 --> 00:24:58,952
like, a fog.
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She's almost
pre-euphoric pot smoker.
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00:25:05,252 --> 00:25:07,462
[Man vo] You
think he's crazy, huh?
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00:25:07,662 --> 00:25:08,962
[Holly vo] I don't know.
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00:25:09,162 --> 00:25:12,132
They claim I've got him wrapped
around my little finger but...
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00:25:12,332 --> 00:25:14,642
But I never told
him to shoot anybody.
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00:25:14,842 --> 00:25:16,302
Eerie music
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00:25:16,502 --> 00:25:19,312
'badlands, ' in many
ways, reflects Charley's
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point-of-view, which was he
goes and he does things...
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[Gunshot]
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And caril kind of goes with it
and never really does anything,
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but also never really has
any emotions about anything.
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00:25:33,862 --> 00:25:37,662
[Holly vo] I didn't feel shame
or feel but just kinda blah,
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like when you're sittin' there
and all the water's run out of
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the bathtub.
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00:25:41,532 --> 00:25:46,402
[Ward vo] It wasn't the
truth, but it was all I had.
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Memory is very
iffy and fungible,
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and in the popular imagination
or certainly the imagination
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of Bruce Springsteen...
'Badlands' becomes the story.
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Singer Bruce Springsteen has
released an album that may make
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caril fugate and Charles
starkweather as well known among
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the young as once they were
as well known as they were,
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00:26:03,722 --> 00:26:06,522
for example, when mr
starkweather was executed.
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[Applause]
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00:26:08,892 --> 00:26:11,532
For this song, I remember I
had been moved by the Terrence
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malick film 'badlands' and I
got interested in the story.
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00:26:16,062 --> 00:26:18,032
You can put
together a lot of detail,
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00:26:18,232 --> 00:26:20,202
but unless you pull
something up out of yourself,
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it's just gonna lay
flat on the page.
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00:26:22,742 --> 00:26:25,302
You gotta find out what you have
in common with that character no
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00:26:25,412 --> 00:26:27,372
matter who they are
or what they did.
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00:26:27,572 --> 00:26:30,712
[Ward vo] When I was in college,
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there was an older man.
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And I remember him saying,
"oh, you know there's a song
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00:26:37,422 --> 00:26:38,762
about it."
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00:26:38,962 --> 00:26:41,243
I didn't, and he said, "you
don't know Bruce Springsteen's
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00:26:41,422 --> 00:26:43,512
'Nebraska?'"
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00:26:44,352 --> 00:26:47,732
through the badlands
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00:26:47,932 --> 00:26:51,232
of Wyoming...
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I was more in shock...
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00:26:54,272 --> 00:26:58,072
Because I realized how
much this story had permeated
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popular culture.
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00:27:00,272 --> 00:27:03,582
You know what I think about?
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Sex.
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00:27:05,452 --> 00:27:06,252
Sex.
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00:27:06,452 --> 00:27:07,922
Fuckin.'
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00:27:08,122 --> 00:27:10,082
my mind drives me crazy.
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00:27:10,282 --> 00:27:13,922
When 'nautral born killers' and
'true romance' and these other
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00:27:14,122 --> 00:27:18,592
"inspired by" versions of young,
attractive movie star couples
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going on killing sprees
came out in the early '90s,
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all made by macho baby boomer
dudes... movie directors who
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grew up on 'badlands' and
starkweather... they all struck
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me as brutal...
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00:27:33,312 --> 00:27:34,782
Pointless...
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00:27:34,982 --> 00:27:39,482
You know, they're
true existential heroes.
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[Murley vo] The starkweather
story draws viewers no matter
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00:27:43,822 --> 00:27:45,792
what.
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You make every day
feel like kindergarten.
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00:27:48,662 --> 00:27:51,792
Obviously, 'natural born
killers' is a re-telling of the
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intersection with mass media
and the starkweather case.
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00:27:57,922 --> 00:28:01,302
Mickey and
Mallory stole the show.
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00:28:01,502 --> 00:28:03,642
[Crowd] We want Mallory!
477
00:28:03,842 --> 00:28:05,648
[Woman] What do you
think of this turnout, Mallory?
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00:28:05,672 --> 00:28:07,142
I've never had
more fun in my life!
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00:28:07,342 --> 00:28:10,142
[Murley vo] Those characters
become heroes because they're
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beautiful, they're
interesting and charismatic...
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00:28:15,602 --> 00:28:20,862
And the violence in these movies
is spatter Gore but there's
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00:28:21,232 --> 00:28:24,162
something really
appealing about it.
483
00:28:31,792 --> 00:28:35,002
It's sort of
lovingly-rendered violence.
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00:28:41,212 --> 00:28:43,012
Is where it is.
485
00:28:43,212 --> 00:28:46,012
The filmmaker does his best
to reflect society the way he
486
00:28:46,212 --> 00:28:48,022
sees it.
487
00:28:48,222 --> 00:28:52,022
And our society is
culturally in a very bankrupt
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and violent mode.
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00:28:55,062 --> 00:28:58,532
We want to get
close to violence...
490
00:28:58,732 --> 00:29:00,208
But we don't want it
to be real violence,
491
00:29:00,232 --> 00:29:02,032
we don't want it to be too real.
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00:29:02,232 --> 00:29:04,532
[Laughs]
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00:29:04,732 --> 00:29:06,202
[Murley vo] It
makes it watchable,
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00:29:06,402 --> 00:29:09,702
it makes it interesting.
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00:29:09,902 --> 00:29:13,542
It is the ultimate
expression of freedom.
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00:29:13,742 --> 00:29:16,882
[Mallory] You
still like me now, Jack?
497
00:29:17,082 --> 00:29:18,082
Gah!
498
00:29:18,252 --> 00:29:20,842
[Gunshot]
499
00:29:24,672 --> 00:29:26,222
[Caril vo] I've
always looked to just,
500
00:29:26,422 --> 00:29:28,062
you know, next year.
501
00:29:28,262 --> 00:29:30,722
Or maybe next year,
or maybe next year,
502
00:29:30,922 --> 00:29:32,892
or next year, or
next year, until,
503
00:29:33,092 --> 00:29:36,062
finally, all these years
have tracked off by themselves.
504
00:29:36,262 --> 00:29:38,232
But I've never, you know,
stood in the mirror and,
505
00:29:38,432 --> 00:29:40,572
you know, looked
and said, you know,
506
00:29:40,772 --> 00:29:43,742
"my goodness, girl, why?"
507
00:29:43,942 --> 00:29:45,742
Because I think
probably, personally,
508
00:29:45,942 --> 00:29:49,582
if I had really...
509
00:29:49,782 --> 00:29:52,582
Said in my mind, "this is it.
510
00:29:52,782 --> 00:29:57,712
You are forever and
ever and ever doomed,
511
00:29:58,542 --> 00:30:01,092
you know, to a penitentiary,"
512
00:30:01,292 --> 00:30:02,922
I don't think
I would have made it.
513
00:30:03,122 --> 00:30:04,932
I really don't.
514
00:30:05,132 --> 00:30:07,268
[Jeff mcarthur vo] Caril
appealed her sentence time after
515
00:30:07,292 --> 00:30:09,602
time after time.
516
00:30:09,802 --> 00:30:12,772
The appeals process went on
for so long that my father,
517
00:30:12,972 --> 00:30:15,442
who is caril's same age,
went through high school,
518
00:30:15,642 --> 00:30:17,942
then through college,
then through law school,
519
00:30:18,142 --> 00:30:21,232
and then he actually
became her appeals attorney.
520
00:30:23,402 --> 00:30:26,452
And the appeals process ended
up going all the way to the us
521
00:30:26,652 --> 00:30:28,622
supreme court again.
522
00:30:28,822 --> 00:30:31,792
Tense ambient music
523
00:30:31,992 --> 00:30:34,452
I think caril had
hoped this was gonna be it,
524
00:30:34,662 --> 00:30:37,412
she was gonna have a break.
525
00:30:37,832 --> 00:30:40,632
But she was pretty
naive, because when you're
526
00:30:40,832 --> 00:30:43,132
institutionalized,
it's kind of a bubble.
527
00:30:43,332 --> 00:30:45,632
You know, you really are not
subjected to other people's
528
00:30:45,832 --> 00:30:46,972
perception.
529
00:30:47,172 --> 00:30:50,592
Perceptions are so important.
530
00:30:50,882 --> 00:30:54,312
When you terrify an
entire state and lock it down,
531
00:30:54,512 --> 00:30:56,982
people don't forget
that very quickly.
532
00:31:02,682 --> 00:31:04,822
Person by her very nature.
533
00:31:05,022 --> 00:31:08,492
She always thought that the
law was meant for her protection
534
00:31:08,692 --> 00:31:10,992
as well as anybody.
535
00:31:11,192 --> 00:31:16,002
The supreme court decided that
the evidence against caril was
536
00:31:16,202 --> 00:31:19,832
so strong that essentially
she was not entitled to a fair
537
00:31:20,032 --> 00:31:21,672
trial.
538
00:31:29,842 --> 00:31:34,352
In a case of this magnitude,
when there was such a huge
539
00:31:34,552 --> 00:31:39,192
outpouring of
prejudice against caril...
540
00:31:39,392 --> 00:31:42,062
The law just breaks down.
541
00:31:44,312 --> 00:31:49,262
That was the end of the appeals;
That would have been 1972.
542
00:31:49,462 --> 00:31:52,202
So that was the end of the road.
543
00:31:52,402 --> 00:31:54,992
[Book slams shut]
544
00:31:56,992 --> 00:31:59,042
[Jackie vo] When
her appeal was denied,
545
00:31:59,242 --> 00:32:03,042
I received a call from the
director of corrections.
546
00:32:03,242 --> 00:32:05,382
He was concerned
how she would react.
547
00:32:05,582 --> 00:32:09,172
Would she be suicidal?
548
00:32:10,342 --> 00:32:12,052
And just about
the time I hang up,
549
00:32:12,252 --> 00:32:15,892
caril's at my door.
550
00:32:16,092 --> 00:32:19,392
And I just allowed her to talk.
551
00:32:19,592 --> 00:32:21,062
"Why won't they believe me?
552
00:32:21,262 --> 00:32:23,232
I never will get out of here.
553
00:32:23,432 --> 00:32:28,322
I will never be able to
prove that I was innocent.
554
00:32:28,522 --> 00:32:30,902
So maybe you should
just put me in the hole.
555
00:32:31,102 --> 00:32:31,912
Just forget about me.
556
00:32:32,112 --> 00:32:33,372
Throw away the key!"
557
00:32:33,572 --> 00:32:36,742
You know, it's one of
those... just being very...
558
00:32:36,942 --> 00:32:40,582
Disenchanted, so to speak.
559
00:32:40,782 --> 00:32:43,582
[Caril vo] I had, you
know, started to feel that
560
00:32:43,782 --> 00:32:46,092
it's just...
561
00:32:46,292 --> 00:32:47,592
It's just too hard to do.
562
00:32:47,792 --> 00:32:49,438
You know, it's really...
It's just too hard to do,
563
00:32:49,462 --> 00:32:51,422
I'm not gonna make it tomorrow.
564
00:32:51,632 --> 00:32:56,262
And, uh, it started to show
my face started to show,
565
00:32:56,462 --> 00:32:59,772
my hair started to show... that
I was going through a difficult
566
00:32:59,972 --> 00:33:02,272
period when I
thought, you know...
567
00:33:02,472 --> 00:33:03,472
"What is the use?
568
00:33:03,642 --> 00:33:05,442
I'm just not gonna make it."
569
00:33:05,642 --> 00:33:06,942
And, uh...
570
00:33:07,142 --> 00:33:09,942
Mrs Crawford, the
superintendent,
571
00:33:10,142 --> 00:33:11,782
she said, "come here, caril."
572
00:33:11,982 --> 00:33:14,612
She said, "I wanna
show you something."
573
00:33:14,822 --> 00:33:17,122
And she took me by the hand,
and she went in and she said,
574
00:33:17,322 --> 00:33:19,292
"look in the mirror."
575
00:33:19,492 --> 00:33:22,462
And I looked in the
mirror and I cried,
576
00:33:22,662 --> 00:33:26,632
because I looked like I
was just going downhill.
577
00:33:26,832 --> 00:33:29,132
I said, "no, no, no,
we're not gonna do that."
578
00:33:29,332 --> 00:33:31,138
And I said, "we're gonna
do something different.
579
00:33:31,162 --> 00:33:34,132
Maybe we're gonna
help build your image."
580
00:33:34,332 --> 00:33:35,692
She said, "well,
what do you mean?"
581
00:33:35,842 --> 00:33:38,002
And I said, "well, you know,
let's see what we can do."
582
00:33:38,172 --> 00:33:39,892
I said, "go put some
makeup on," and I said,
583
00:33:40,012 --> 00:33:41,472
"I always do that
when I feel bad,
584
00:33:41,682 --> 00:33:43,642
caril, so go put
some makeup on."
585
00:33:43,842 --> 00:33:45,158
And I said,
"let's fix your hair."
586
00:33:45,182 --> 00:33:46,812
She had beautiful
hair, beautiful hair.
587
00:33:47,012 --> 00:33:49,482
The next day, I went up and
I got my hair cut and I fixed
588
00:33:49,682 --> 00:33:52,042
myself up, and I really looked,
you know... I looked better,
589
00:33:52,192 --> 00:33:57,192
I felt better, and she gave
me something to make me go on.
590
00:33:58,322 --> 00:33:59,838
[Crawford vo] You
know, a mass murderer,
591
00:33:59,862 --> 00:34:01,508
if that's what they
wanted to portray her as,
592
00:34:01,532 --> 00:34:03,502
we just didn't see that.
593
00:34:03,702 --> 00:34:06,672
And because of her
crime and the visibility,
594
00:34:06,872 --> 00:34:10,842
I felt that she needed
all the help she could get.
595
00:34:11,042 --> 00:34:12,202
[Man] Now, to five and do it.
596
00:34:12,372 --> 00:34:13,672
You want me to do the sound?
597
00:34:13,872 --> 00:34:14,422
[Man] Yeah, the sound.
598
00:34:14,622 --> 00:34:17,512
[Crawford vo] And at that
time, ninette beaver came out.
599
00:34:17,712 --> 00:34:19,472
She was the reporter.
600
00:34:35,822 --> 00:34:38,038
[Crawford vo] Ninette felt like
she wanted to see how much she
601
00:34:38,062 --> 00:34:41,532
had grown or what
had happened to her.
602
00:34:41,742 --> 00:34:44,042
And caril, you know, of
course she met with her,
603
00:34:44,242 --> 00:34:47,212
and ninette was so impressed
with caril and how articulate
604
00:34:47,412 --> 00:34:49,382
she was.
605
00:34:49,582 --> 00:34:53,212
So she asked for
permission to film with caril.
606
00:34:53,412 --> 00:34:55,552
[Man vo] Nbc news presents...
607
00:34:55,752 --> 00:34:58,592
'Growing up in prison.'
608
00:34:59,132 --> 00:35:00,692
[Crawford vo] Here
we go with the media,
609
00:35:00,752 --> 00:35:02,222
the cameras.
610
00:35:02,422 --> 00:35:04,722
You know, this could be an
expos and I think she was a
611
00:35:04,932 --> 00:35:06,062
little bit apprehensive.
612
00:35:06,262 --> 00:35:07,562
"Oh, what if they don't like me?
613
00:35:07,762 --> 00:35:08,852
What if they... "You know.
614
00:35:09,052 --> 00:35:11,232
I said, "caril, go in
there and just be caril,
615
00:35:11,432 --> 00:35:14,072
because that's important...
For people to get to know you.
616
00:35:14,272 --> 00:35:17,242
You know,
sometimes, I've wondered...
617
00:35:17,442 --> 00:35:20,912
Why I was the one that, uh...
618
00:35:21,112 --> 00:35:22,742
Always survived.
619
00:35:22,942 --> 00:35:24,412
And, um...
620
00:35:24,612 --> 00:35:26,912
I don't... it's...
621
00:35:27,112 --> 00:35:28,422
It's just something inside you.
622
00:35:28,622 --> 00:35:30,752
It's really hard...
623
00:35:30,952 --> 00:35:33,252
It's really hard
to put it in words,
624
00:35:33,452 --> 00:35:37,092
but I used to wonder, um...
625
00:35:37,292 --> 00:35:39,092
Why me?
626
00:35:39,292 --> 00:35:41,722
You know, why
was I the only one?
627
00:35:43,722 --> 00:35:46,102
[Crawford vo] They were so
impressed how the community had
628
00:35:46,302 --> 00:35:48,602
opened their arms to caril.
629
00:35:48,802 --> 00:35:50,618
[Man vo] Some of the women from
the reformatory are allowed to
630
00:35:50,642 --> 00:35:52,772
visit York under supervision.
631
00:35:52,972 --> 00:35:55,942
[Laughter and chatter]
632
00:35:56,142 --> 00:35:58,612
Caril fugate had never been
to a bowling alley before her
633
00:35:58,812 --> 00:36:00,282
imprisonment.
634
00:36:00,482 --> 00:36:03,072
She has pushed
her average to 103.
635
00:36:04,572 --> 00:36:07,122
[Laughter and applause]
636
00:36:07,322 --> 00:36:11,792
And caril, she was not as
afraid as she used to be,
637
00:36:11,992 --> 00:36:16,302
and she started seeing a
different side of life.
638
00:36:16,502 --> 00:36:18,802
[Man vo] Caril fugate was
baptized a Roman catholic two
639
00:36:19,002 --> 00:36:20,472
years ago.
640
00:36:20,672 --> 00:36:23,142
On Sunday, she works as a
volunteer at the local church of
641
00:36:23,342 --> 00:36:24,472
the nazarene.
642
00:36:24,672 --> 00:36:27,972
I found out that i'm
a child of god's...
643
00:36:28,172 --> 00:36:31,142
And that no
matter what happens...
644
00:36:31,342 --> 00:36:33,482
No matter what happened...
645
00:36:33,682 --> 00:36:35,822
In the sight of god...
646
00:36:36,022 --> 00:36:38,152
It's over.
647
00:36:38,352 --> 00:36:39,992
Tender ambient music
648
00:36:40,192 --> 00:36:42,662
[man vo] 400 women have been
released since caril fugate
649
00:36:42,862 --> 00:36:45,162
began serving her life sentence.
650
00:36:45,362 --> 00:36:48,332
There is not one person
left... not an inmate,
651
00:36:48,532 --> 00:36:52,502
not a guard... who was
here when she arrived.
652
00:36:52,702 --> 00:36:55,172
She speaks to civic groups and
service clubs throughout the
653
00:36:55,372 --> 00:36:58,342
state without
revealing her identity.
654
00:36:58,542 --> 00:37:01,172
But this day,
everyone knew who she was.
655
00:37:01,372 --> 00:37:04,512
Our philosophy is to
deal with the total woman.
656
00:37:04,712 --> 00:37:07,852
Our program does not deal with
why she is there but what she
657
00:37:08,052 --> 00:37:10,682
does while she is there.
658
00:37:10,882 --> 00:37:12,022
When she comes into the...
659
00:37:12,222 --> 00:37:14,022
[Caril vo] I went
through a period...
660
00:37:14,222 --> 00:37:18,192
Of wishing that I
was someone else.
661
00:37:18,392 --> 00:37:22,032
I would get real upset if
people said my last name,
662
00:37:22,232 --> 00:37:26,032
because it was like
somebody throwing mud.
663
00:37:26,232 --> 00:37:28,542
It hurt.
664
00:37:28,742 --> 00:37:33,212
But, uh, I am caril fugate, and
it doesn't leave a bitter taste
665
00:37:33,412 --> 00:37:36,162
in my mouth.
666
00:37:37,672 --> 00:37:39,712
[Crawford vo] 'Growing up
in prison' was kind of the
667
00:37:39,912 --> 00:37:42,552
launching pad to see her
in a different perspective,
668
00:37:42,752 --> 00:37:45,722
which was very good for her.
669
00:37:45,922 --> 00:37:48,562
It elevated her profile.
670
00:37:48,762 --> 00:37:53,682
[Caril] I received some
from, uh, 13-year-old girls,
671
00:37:53,972 --> 00:37:57,732
14, 18, some of 'em 20.
672
00:37:57,932 --> 00:38:02,862
I want to maybe try and
put across to these...
673
00:38:04,692 --> 00:38:08,242
Teenagers that at this age,
this is the age that I got in
674
00:38:08,442 --> 00:38:09,582
trouble.
675
00:38:09,782 --> 00:38:13,412
I have some
teenage children and, uh...
676
00:38:13,612 --> 00:38:17,252
They have really been
doing some deep thinking.
677
00:38:17,452 --> 00:38:19,752
Very deep in thought.
678
00:38:19,952 --> 00:38:24,552
[Crawford vo] That's when
caril then applied for parole.
679
00:38:25,052 --> 00:38:25,652
Okay.
680
00:38:25,852 --> 00:38:29,052
[Crawford vo] And there
was a lot of controversy.
681
00:38:30,552 --> 00:38:32,602
[Pauline Jensen]
Well, I definitely, uh...
682
00:38:32,802 --> 00:38:35,942
Am opposed to her
release at any time.
683
00:38:36,142 --> 00:38:38,612
I think it would be a
miscarriage of justice
684
00:38:38,812 --> 00:38:41,942
for the ones that, uh...
685
00:38:42,142 --> 00:38:46,612
Were taken for her to be
released to have a good life
686
00:38:46,812 --> 00:38:48,952
from now on.
687
00:38:49,152 --> 00:38:53,452
But you don't forget,
not even a little bit.
688
00:38:53,652 --> 00:38:55,622
[Crawford vo]
There's so much pain.
689
00:38:55,822 --> 00:38:59,962
The trauma that the
entire state experienced.
690
00:39:00,162 --> 00:39:04,632
When I advocated for her parole,
I even received some letters
691
00:39:04,832 --> 00:39:07,132
that were saying "how dare you?"
692
00:39:07,332 --> 00:39:10,642
She was, you know, a mass killer
or a murderer and "how would you
693
00:39:10,842 --> 00:39:14,682
like it if your family
would have been part of it?"
694
00:39:15,762 --> 00:39:18,482
So it was a very chaotic day.
695
00:39:25,022 --> 00:39:27,652
The parole board
hearing was held onsite.
696
00:39:27,852 --> 00:39:29,942
[Shutter clicks]
697
00:39:32,452 --> 00:39:34,332
The media, I mean, it was just.
698
00:39:34,532 --> 00:39:37,502
You know, all over the place.
699
00:39:37,702 --> 00:39:40,672
[Beermann vo] The room was
full of cameras and microphones.
700
00:39:40,872 --> 00:39:43,342
In fact, there were so many
microphones and things on our
701
00:39:43,542 --> 00:39:46,512
desk, we hardly had
room for our materials.
702
00:39:46,712 --> 00:39:50,512
Emotional piano music
703
00:39:50,712 --> 00:39:55,012
our law and the constitution
created a parole board for a
704
00:39:55,222 --> 00:40:00,022
purpose: We determine whether
or not this person is worthy of
705
00:40:00,222 --> 00:40:03,362
forgiveness in some caliber.
706
00:40:03,562 --> 00:40:05,368
[Robert Jensen sr] I don't
think there is any doubt about
707
00:40:05,392 --> 00:40:07,032
her guilt.
708
00:40:07,232 --> 00:40:10,032
In fact, I think probably
she was the instigator of most
709
00:40:10,232 --> 00:40:12,202
of this.
710
00:40:12,402 --> 00:40:15,202
[Man] That just
about says it all, doesn't it?
711
00:40:15,402 --> 00:40:18,202
It does, as far
as I'm concerned.
712
00:40:18,402 --> 00:40:22,542
[Beermann vo] We try not
to second-guess the jury.
713
00:40:22,742 --> 00:40:26,552
They had the benefit
of her testifying...
714
00:40:26,752 --> 00:40:29,722
Him testifying, they
had the case files,
715
00:40:29,922 --> 00:40:32,592
the evidence.
716
00:40:33,172 --> 00:40:37,062
But our feelings
affect our decisions,
717
00:40:37,262 --> 00:40:42,142
and if the witnesses and the
testifier has made a good case,
718
00:40:42,352 --> 00:40:45,232
it can convince us.
719
00:40:45,432 --> 00:40:46,902
[Crawford vo]
During her hearing,
720
00:40:47,102 --> 00:40:49,742
the parole board
asked, "mrs Crawford,
721
00:40:49,942 --> 00:40:52,412
is there something
you'd like to add?"
722
00:40:52,612 --> 00:40:57,082
And I said, "society has
gotten their pound of flesh."
723
00:40:57,282 --> 00:40:59,702
It was like, "how
dare she say that?"
724
00:40:59,902 --> 00:41:02,582
I probably misspoke, I probably
should have softened it a little
725
00:41:02,782 --> 00:41:07,792
bit, but they wanted her to
admit that she was guilty,
726
00:41:09,712 --> 00:41:12,762
and she says, "I am
not going to do that."
727
00:41:20,472 --> 00:41:22,442
That she had something
to do with... she planned,
728
00:41:22,642 --> 00:41:26,112
schemed, or whatever
with him, because she says,
729
00:41:26,312 --> 00:41:29,442
"you have to be there to
understand how I was traumatized
730
00:41:29,642 --> 00:41:31,112
and what I witnessed."
731
00:41:31,312 --> 00:41:33,952
She said, "I don't ever want
anyone to ever believe that I
732
00:41:34,152 --> 00:41:36,782
was an accomplice with him."
733
00:41:36,982 --> 00:41:39,292
Do you have anything
that you'd like to say?
734
00:41:39,492 --> 00:41:41,952
I feel sorry for the people who,
735
00:41:42,162 --> 00:41:46,292
for 18 years, have hated me
so bad that it has destroyed
736
00:41:46,492 --> 00:41:47,922
their life.
737
00:41:48,122 --> 00:41:50,308
It's destroyed their life, and
it's made their life more of a
738
00:41:50,332 --> 00:41:52,802
prison than mine has been.
739
00:41:53,002 --> 00:41:58,012
And I feel that in a way,
prison is not four walls,
740
00:41:58,302 --> 00:42:01,642
you know, it's
what's inside of you.
741
00:42:01,842 --> 00:42:03,982
[Crawford vo] I was
worried about it because
742
00:42:04,182 --> 00:42:06,312
of the notoriety...
743
00:42:06,512 --> 00:42:11,322
Because of the media and...
Some of this was politicized,
744
00:42:11,522 --> 00:42:14,822
and you either get
paroled or you don't.
745
00:42:15,022 --> 00:42:16,492
But young women who
were not paroled,
746
00:42:16,692 --> 00:42:19,492
sometimes they would regress.
747
00:42:19,692 --> 00:42:22,162
And with caril, having
gone through the trauma
748
00:42:22,362 --> 00:42:24,832
that she did...
749
00:42:25,032 --> 00:42:29,502
I was worried about suicide.
750
00:42:29,702 --> 00:42:33,842
But there is a god...
Let's put it that way.
751
00:42:34,042 --> 00:42:36,512
[Man] By a majority vote...
752
00:42:36,712 --> 00:42:41,222
You are to be paroled through
the former aide program.
753
00:42:41,432 --> 00:42:43,682
[Applause]
754
00:42:43,882 --> 00:42:48,142
Tender piano music
755
00:42:50,312 --> 00:42:52,362
[Crawford vo] She was stunned.
756
00:43:04,072 --> 00:43:06,872
Flashing lights and
cameras and and everything...
757
00:43:07,072 --> 00:43:09,912
It was horrific, it really was.
758
00:43:11,672 --> 00:43:13,728
[Male reporter] Caril Ann
fugate has passed through those
759
00:43:13,752 --> 00:43:16,382
gates many times before
on work release and other
760
00:43:16,582 --> 00:43:18,052
community projects.
761
00:43:18,252 --> 00:43:20,372
But it'll be much different
when she leaves June 20th.
762
00:43:20,422 --> 00:43:23,892
That's when she
begins her parole,
763
00:43:24,092 --> 00:43:26,892
when she will ask
society to, in her words,
764
00:43:27,092 --> 00:43:30,902
"accept me for what I am,
not by what you have heard.
765
00:43:31,102 --> 00:43:34,232
You know, you're a bundle of
nerves 'cause you do not want
766
00:43:34,432 --> 00:43:37,402
the media following her
because it will ruin her chance
767
00:43:37,602 --> 00:43:41,072
of having a normal life.
768
00:43:41,272 --> 00:43:43,912
So we were somewhat
secretive and maybe a little bit
769
00:43:44,112 --> 00:43:46,372
deceiving.
770
00:43:46,782 --> 00:43:50,082
Very late at night, [chuckling]
We put caril in the trunk of the
771
00:43:50,282 --> 00:43:53,422
car and drove out, you know,
just like we were going home or
772
00:43:53,622 --> 00:43:55,762
something...
773
00:43:55,962 --> 00:43:59,592
So that we could get her
on an airplane to Michigan.
774
00:44:11,472 --> 00:44:16,402
There was other staff there and
everyone wished her the best.
775
00:44:16,612 --> 00:44:19,282
I gave her a big
hug, and I told her,
776
00:44:19,482 --> 00:44:21,282
I says, "you know,
we're here for you.
777
00:44:21,482 --> 00:44:23,622
Don't let us down."
778
00:44:23,822 --> 00:44:26,452
She says, "i
promise you, I won't."
779
00:44:37,502 --> 00:44:39,302
[Caril vo] I'd like
to just settle down,
780
00:44:39,502 --> 00:44:40,862
get married, have
a couple of kids,
781
00:44:41,002 --> 00:44:43,472
you know, dust the house,
clean the toilets, you know...
782
00:44:43,672 --> 00:44:46,972
Just an ordinary
duppy housewife.
783
00:44:47,172 --> 00:44:49,812
The Nebraska parole board today
wrote a new chapter in one of
784
00:44:50,012 --> 00:44:52,652
the most violent crimes stories
in this country's history.
785
00:44:52,852 --> 00:44:55,158
Under the terms of her parole,
she'll be able to start a new
786
00:44:55,182 --> 00:44:57,322
life in Clinton
county, Michigan.
787
00:44:57,522 --> 00:44:59,822
Eric burns has that report.
788
00:45:00,022 --> 00:45:02,822
So far, only a few people in
Clinton county know where caril
789
00:45:03,022 --> 00:45:05,322
fugate will live,
where she will work,
790
00:45:05,532 --> 00:45:07,162
or if she's even here yet.
791
00:45:07,362 --> 00:45:09,332
Soon, everyone will know.
792
00:45:09,532 --> 00:45:12,002
We now have that report
about caril Ann fugate.
793
00:45:12,202 --> 00:45:14,502
Miss fugate and Charles
starkweather were convicted of a
794
00:45:14,702 --> 00:45:17,002
series of brutal
murders some years ago.
795
00:45:17,202 --> 00:45:19,512
The two of them went on a
killing spree in Nebraska and
796
00:45:19,712 --> 00:45:20,262
Wyoming.
797
00:45:20,462 --> 00:45:23,842
[Man vo] Miss fugate has
always said she's innocent.
798
00:45:24,042 --> 00:45:26,512
With us live at our Lincoln
bureau is Eugene masters,
799
00:45:26,712 --> 00:45:29,028
the assistant chief of police
in Lincoln at the time of the
800
00:45:29,052 --> 00:45:30,352
starkweather killing spree.
801
00:45:30,552 --> 00:45:31,832
And you're still
convinced, then,
802
00:45:31,882 --> 00:45:34,022
that she went as a
willing accomplice?
803
00:45:34,222 --> 00:45:35,862
I know that she did.
804
00:45:36,062 --> 00:45:39,692
We'd have been tickled to death
to give her a lie detector test.
805
00:45:39,892 --> 00:45:42,982
[Ward vo] Caril thought
she was done with the past.
806
00:45:44,482 --> 00:45:47,702
But the past was
not done with her.
807
00:45:47,902 --> 00:45:51,662
Dramatic music
808
00:45:53,162 --> 00:45:58,172
tender ethereal music
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