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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,412 --> 00:00:06,922 [Menacing rumble] 2 00:00:10,592 --> 00:00:12,972 [Berry vo] You should be here in Lincoln when they have an 3 00:00:13,172 --> 00:00:14,972 execution. 4 00:00:15,172 --> 00:00:17,472 [Faint echoes of laughter and cheers] 5 00:00:17,672 --> 00:00:20,852 The people partying and drinking beer and yelling. 6 00:00:22,602 --> 00:00:25,812 A smaller group with candles praying. 7 00:00:26,012 --> 00:00:28,322 Ominous music 8 00:00:28,522 --> 00:00:31,152 [mckee vo] One of the penitentiary guards was taking 9 00:00:31,352 --> 00:00:36,202 him to the room, and Charley says, "what's your hurry?" 10 00:00:37,282 --> 00:00:39,372 [Cell door slams] 11 00:00:41,122 --> 00:00:45,332 Executions are always scheduled for early-morning hours because 12 00:00:45,532 --> 00:00:48,042 there is a tremendous drain on electricity. 13 00:00:51,462 --> 00:00:53,688 [O'Donnell vo] When they were strapping him in the electric 14 00:00:53,712 --> 00:00:56,682 chair, he said, "these straps are too loose. 15 00:00:56,882 --> 00:00:58,352 Would you please tighten them?" 16 00:00:58,552 --> 00:01:00,512 And then, they asked him if he had any last words, 17 00:01:00,552 --> 00:01:02,352 and he said, "no." 18 00:01:14,652 --> 00:01:17,372 [Mckee vo] It came and it went and it was done. 19 00:01:17,572 --> 00:01:21,042 1959, he was gone. 20 00:01:21,242 --> 00:01:22,888 [Male reporter] Okay, Floyd, you just came out. 21 00:01:22,912 --> 00:01:24,212 Did it disturb you? 22 00:01:24,412 --> 00:01:26,382 No, it didn't particularly disturb me. 23 00:01:26,582 --> 00:01:28,042 I... 24 00:01:28,242 --> 00:01:30,882 I have been concerned about my own feelings of compassion and 25 00:01:31,082 --> 00:01:33,552 emotion since then and wondering why it didn't. 26 00:01:33,752 --> 00:01:35,882 Sparse dramatic music 27 00:01:36,082 --> 00:01:37,722 nothing. 28 00:01:37,922 --> 00:01:40,892 Eerie music 29 00:01:41,092 --> 00:01:42,238 [Larkin vo] [Chuckling] There was no way Charley was going 30 00:01:42,262 --> 00:01:44,062 anywhere but to the afterlife. 31 00:01:56,532 --> 00:01:58,912 You watched all of the anger and hurt and fear, 32 00:01:59,112 --> 00:02:02,242 and with Charley gone, there was only one person left to take 33 00:02:02,442 --> 00:02:05,122 that pain out on and it was her. 34 00:02:06,372 --> 00:02:09,252 People wanted payback. 35 00:02:17,462 --> 00:02:20,432 Her hands were bound in front of her, 36 00:02:20,632 --> 00:02:22,932 and there was a gag on her mouth. 37 00:02:23,132 --> 00:02:26,102 [Man vo] It was the first of its kind... these rebels without 38 00:02:26,302 --> 00:02:29,562 a cause killing people for no reason. 39 00:02:30,062 --> 00:02:33,782 You could feel the fear just on the TV itself. 40 00:02:33,982 --> 00:02:37,732 [Man vo] Charley starkweather saw himself as James Dean. 41 00:02:38,402 --> 00:02:40,452 I think he's crazy. 42 00:02:40,652 --> 00:02:42,622 [Man vo] Caril always wanted to be somebody. 43 00:02:42,822 --> 00:02:44,952 She wanted to be a star. 44 00:02:45,152 --> 00:02:48,462 [Woman vo] I thought, "oh, wow, is she a hard-lookin' broad." 45 00:02:48,662 --> 00:02:51,462 [Man vo] I see, really, a scared little girl. 46 00:02:51,662 --> 00:02:54,302 [Man vo] The only two people who witnessed what went on were 47 00:02:54,502 --> 00:02:56,632 Charles starkweather and caril fugate, 48 00:02:56,832 --> 00:02:59,592 and everybody else is dead. 49 00:03:02,592 --> 00:03:07,312 Few of us have occasion to know women who have been in jail... 50 00:03:07,512 --> 00:03:10,152 And even fewer who have been in a penitentiary. 51 00:03:10,352 --> 00:03:14,822 And this is not surprising, primarily because a woman must 52 00:03:15,022 --> 00:03:19,152 commit a shocking crime, indeed, and be completely rejected by 53 00:03:19,352 --> 00:03:22,662 the community before the court will incarcerate a woman. 54 00:03:22,862 --> 00:03:25,992 Suspenseful synth music 55 00:03:26,192 --> 00:03:27,678 [Anderson vo] There's always been a kind of willful 56 00:03:27,702 --> 00:03:30,122 innocence. 57 00:03:30,542 --> 00:03:32,672 It's all nice, it's all one nice middleclass, 58 00:03:32,872 --> 00:03:35,792 we're nice to each other, it's prospering. 59 00:03:37,002 --> 00:03:40,342 And whatever we do is okay because we're good, 60 00:03:40,542 --> 00:03:42,512 we're the good guys." 61 00:03:42,712 --> 00:03:44,352 That has always been there. 62 00:03:55,482 --> 00:03:58,032 [Male vo] The state contended that caril fugate willingly 63 00:03:58,232 --> 00:04:01,202 aided and abetted starkweather in this crime and was equally 64 00:04:01,402 --> 00:04:03,702 guilty under the law. 65 00:04:12,072 --> 00:04:15,042 And she was in this absolutely paralyzing situation. 66 00:04:15,242 --> 00:04:17,212 [Male reporter] Caril! 67 00:04:17,412 --> 00:04:19,228 [Male vo] Led near-collapse from the courtroom, 68 00:04:19,252 --> 00:04:22,052 she became the youngest person ever to face life imprisonment 69 00:04:22,252 --> 00:04:24,052 in this state. 70 00:04:37,432 --> 00:04:39,402 Reformatory that she did. 71 00:04:47,782 --> 00:04:51,782 Control, bring a closure to it, and move on. 72 00:04:54,372 --> 00:04:57,422 But with caril, I'm not sure she would understand what prison 73 00:04:57,622 --> 00:04:58,752 was... 74 00:04:58,952 --> 00:05:01,762 Until, you know, it happened. 75 00:05:19,732 --> 00:05:21,782 Because she was still a juvenile, 76 00:05:21,982 --> 00:05:25,482 she was in solitary confinement. 77 00:05:25,862 --> 00:05:30,292 She was not allowed to be with anybody. 78 00:05:30,492 --> 00:05:35,492 Eerie sad music 79 00:05:36,002 --> 00:05:39,132 she was put in a situation that is usually considered torture 80 00:05:39,332 --> 00:05:41,632 for about a year and a half, until she could be put into 81 00:05:41,832 --> 00:05:43,302 general population. 82 00:05:43,502 --> 00:05:45,502 So... 83 00:05:45,882 --> 00:05:49,472 I understand it was so horrific, 84 00:05:49,672 --> 00:05:53,642 and the staff had never dealt with a 14-year-old girl. 85 00:06:01,102 --> 00:06:05,492 Stern, you know... 86 00:06:05,692 --> 00:06:07,322 Not-caring. 87 00:06:07,522 --> 00:06:08,992 Imagine, you know, a 14-year-old. 88 00:06:09,192 --> 00:06:10,662 You know, "I need my mother." 89 00:06:10,862 --> 00:06:12,492 And, uh... 90 00:06:12,692 --> 00:06:14,332 She didn't have a mother. 91 00:06:20,542 --> 00:06:23,842 I lost my family too. 92 00:06:24,042 --> 00:06:26,342 There was days when I would just cry out of loneliness, 93 00:06:26,542 --> 00:06:28,682 you know, for another human being. 94 00:06:28,882 --> 00:06:30,512 Well, I used to sit by my window, 95 00:06:30,712 --> 00:06:32,682 'cause my window looked out onto our gate, 96 00:06:32,882 --> 00:06:34,358 and I used to think, you know, "they're gonna come and they're 97 00:06:34,382 --> 00:06:35,382 gonna find out. 98 00:06:35,552 --> 00:06:36,592 You know, they're gonna... 99 00:06:36,722 --> 00:06:38,852 They know that I didn't." 100 00:06:39,052 --> 00:06:41,038 And I'd wait and I'd wait and I'd watch out the window, 101 00:06:41,062 --> 00:06:42,368 and every time a car would come in, 102 00:06:42,392 --> 00:06:44,862 I'd just kinda hold my breath. 103 00:06:45,062 --> 00:06:47,202 [Jeff mcarthur vo] There's a naivet. 104 00:06:47,402 --> 00:06:48,862 I mean, even when she was in prison, 105 00:06:49,062 --> 00:06:50,702 she still had this optimism that "someday, 106 00:06:50,902 --> 00:06:52,492 I'll be free." 107 00:07:24,852 --> 00:07:27,572 Caril wanted a new case, she wanted another trial, 108 00:07:27,772 --> 00:07:31,072 even if there had been a risk of her having a more severe 109 00:07:31,272 --> 00:07:32,742 sentence. 110 00:07:32,942 --> 00:07:37,752 She wanted to prove herself innocent. 111 00:07:37,952 --> 00:07:41,582 And there was a supreme court decision. 112 00:07:41,782 --> 00:07:44,752 I was still in high school at the time. 113 00:07:44,952 --> 00:07:47,262 [John mcarthur vo] It was relating to whether caril could 114 00:07:47,462 --> 00:07:51,712 even be tried as an adult, which she was. 115 00:07:53,382 --> 00:07:55,932 Her hopes were high that "the supreme court will correct this, 116 00:07:56,132 --> 00:07:58,272 they don't have any choice!" 117 00:07:58,472 --> 00:08:02,222 Eerie tense music 118 00:08:04,392 --> 00:08:08,782 but the supreme court held that she could be tried as an adult. 119 00:08:08,982 --> 00:08:13,282 Judges, courts are like anybody else: They are subject to the 120 00:08:13,482 --> 00:08:14,952 public opinion. 121 00:08:15,152 --> 00:08:17,792 [Cell door slams] 122 00:08:17,992 --> 00:08:20,962 Caril was devastated. 123 00:08:21,162 --> 00:08:23,292 Suspenseful synth music 124 00:08:23,492 --> 00:08:28,422 [thunder crashes] 125 00:08:29,712 --> 00:08:31,148 [Murley vo] In the public consciousness, 126 00:08:31,172 --> 00:08:34,802 it was a sensational crime at the time, 127 00:08:35,002 --> 00:08:38,142 because you've got all of these very powerful themes, 128 00:08:38,342 --> 00:08:40,812 presented in the package of these two kids: 129 00:08:46,182 --> 00:08:49,152 Juvenile delinquency... 130 00:08:49,352 --> 00:08:51,822 Love gone wrong... 131 00:08:52,022 --> 00:08:53,662 Rape and murder. 132 00:08:53,862 --> 00:08:55,822 [Anderson vo] From a storytelling sense, 133 00:08:56,022 --> 00:08:59,282 it, like, fit pulpy storytelling from the get-go. 134 00:09:01,122 --> 00:09:05,332 Rebels without a cause going out and killing people for no reason 135 00:09:05,532 --> 00:09:07,172 and driving across america. 136 00:09:07,372 --> 00:09:10,672 "I'm a nomad with 300 horsepower." 137 00:09:18,882 --> 00:09:22,352 You could maintain your sanctimony and your piety as 138 00:09:22,552 --> 00:09:26,022 you're reveling in every detail of the sex and death. 139 00:09:26,222 --> 00:09:31,152 Tense music 140 00:09:31,562 --> 00:09:33,702 [ransick vo] While Charley was on death row, 141 00:09:33,902 --> 00:09:37,202 he set out to write his autobiography. 142 00:09:37,402 --> 00:09:42,272 Amazingly, a reporter that was favorable to him helped him get 143 00:09:42,472 --> 00:09:46,712 a truncated version printed in parade magazine, 144 00:09:46,912 --> 00:09:50,382 the number-one magazine in america, 145 00:09:50,582 --> 00:09:52,712 with his own byline. 146 00:09:52,912 --> 00:09:54,552 I mean, it's absurd. 147 00:09:54,752 --> 00:09:56,722 He was insane. 148 00:09:56,922 --> 00:09:58,568 [Charles vo] All the time the spree was taking place, 149 00:09:58,592 --> 00:10:00,052 I was scared... 150 00:10:00,262 --> 00:10:03,222 Jittery, tired from loss of sleep. 151 00:10:03,432 --> 00:10:05,232 I was gonna give up. 152 00:10:05,432 --> 00:10:08,562 Caril then threatened out loud that she wasn't gonna give up, 153 00:10:08,762 --> 00:10:10,902 and that no one else was gonna make her. 154 00:10:11,102 --> 00:10:13,742 And with a shotgun laying across her lap with the barrel pointing 155 00:10:13,942 --> 00:10:15,742 directly at me... 156 00:10:15,942 --> 00:10:18,912 And with her fast talking, she convinced me... 157 00:10:19,112 --> 00:10:22,702 That we didn't have anything to gain by giving up." 158 00:10:23,122 --> 00:10:26,752 [Ransick vo] Charley stole caril's narrative, 159 00:10:26,952 --> 00:10:30,422 and parade magazine started part of the false narrative that 160 00:10:30,622 --> 00:10:34,762 caril was in cahoots with this guy. 161 00:10:34,962 --> 00:10:37,932 Everybody started to look at the case the way they wanted and 162 00:10:38,132 --> 00:10:40,932 would take Charley starkweather's narrative and 163 00:10:41,132 --> 00:10:43,932 concoct their own stories. 164 00:10:44,132 --> 00:10:48,312 It started to seep into popular culture... 165 00:10:48,932 --> 00:10:50,612 With 'the sadist.' 166 00:10:50,812 --> 00:10:53,112 dramatic horror music 167 00:10:53,312 --> 00:10:55,442 there was actually a 'gunsmoke' episode... 168 00:10:55,642 --> 00:10:58,952 If a fella's smart, he can live by his wits. 169 00:10:59,152 --> 00:11:01,122 The 'naked city' episode... 170 00:11:01,322 --> 00:11:02,958 [Man vo] What about the starkweather case? 171 00:11:02,982 --> 00:11:04,452 How many people did they kill? 172 00:11:04,652 --> 00:11:05,952 13, I think. 173 00:11:06,152 --> 00:11:08,292 A nice, round superstitious number. 174 00:11:08,492 --> 00:11:10,308 [Ransick vo] People were selling tickets to a certain 175 00:11:10,332 --> 00:11:13,962 narrative, and caril never got a break. 176 00:11:14,162 --> 00:11:16,972 Well, I'm not responsible; I'm underage. 177 00:11:17,172 --> 00:11:18,308 Take that cigarette out of your mouth. 178 00:11:18,332 --> 00:11:20,802 You take it out of my mouth. 179 00:11:21,002 --> 00:11:25,932 Caril was a sort of innocent-seeming schoolgirl... 180 00:11:26,352 --> 00:11:30,142 Willing to reverse all of the moral and social codes of her 181 00:11:30,352 --> 00:11:32,652 society. 182 00:11:32,852 --> 00:11:35,322 She was a backstabber... 183 00:11:35,522 --> 00:11:37,492 A narcissist... 184 00:11:37,692 --> 00:11:39,322 Our for herself. 185 00:11:39,522 --> 00:11:42,992 Please, I beg of you, talk to your boyfriend. 186 00:11:43,192 --> 00:11:44,832 Tell him this is wrong. 187 00:11:45,032 --> 00:11:47,832 Tell him, please! 188 00:11:48,032 --> 00:11:50,832 My god, child, haven't you any feelings at all?! 189 00:11:51,032 --> 00:11:55,502 Suspenseful music 190 00:11:55,702 --> 00:11:59,012 [woman shrieks] 191 00:11:59,212 --> 00:12:02,512 [Murley vo] The starkweather case became a mirror reflecting 192 00:12:02,712 --> 00:12:05,352 the darker aspects of our society, 193 00:12:05,552 --> 00:12:06,972 our humanity. 194 00:12:09,812 --> 00:12:14,362 [Ransick vo] This set of crimes and these characters stayed in 195 00:12:14,562 --> 00:12:16,692 the national memory... 196 00:12:16,892 --> 00:12:19,862 For better and for worse. 197 00:12:20,062 --> 00:12:23,652 [Wind blowing] 198 00:12:26,662 --> 00:12:31,212 [Woman] You're here with us now in a home away from home. 199 00:12:31,412 --> 00:12:34,882 What you did is immaterial to me. 200 00:12:35,082 --> 00:12:38,712 I want you to understand that I look at you as a girl... 201 00:12:38,912 --> 00:12:41,002 And you're starting a new life. 202 00:12:52,012 --> 00:12:54,732 She had to maintain a very precarious balance. 203 00:12:54,932 --> 00:12:56,902 She had to... 204 00:12:57,102 --> 00:12:59,942 Walk a tight rope. 205 00:13:01,522 --> 00:13:05,742 She could not identify with the inmates or she would become an 206 00:13:05,942 --> 00:13:10,082 inmate in spirit, in outlook. 207 00:13:10,282 --> 00:13:15,082 She had to be aloof from the management or she would incur 208 00:13:15,282 --> 00:13:17,422 the enmity of the inmates. 209 00:13:17,622 --> 00:13:22,542 Dark ethereal music 210 00:13:26,222 --> 00:13:29,762 you know, having gone through the trauma with starkweather, 211 00:13:29,962 --> 00:13:31,608 I mean, that wold be a horrifying experience for 212 00:13:31,632 --> 00:13:33,942 anyone. 213 00:13:34,142 --> 00:13:38,112 I mean, he groomed that girl from the day he met her as to 214 00:13:38,312 --> 00:13:41,112 control her. 215 00:13:41,312 --> 00:13:44,452 So caril, you know, did not trust too many people, 216 00:13:44,652 --> 00:13:46,612 and she carried the baggage, yeah, 217 00:13:46,812 --> 00:13:51,072 of that whole crime into the prison system. 218 00:13:53,082 --> 00:13:57,632 I tried, always, to speak quietly to caril... 219 00:13:57,832 --> 00:14:01,302 And some way or other, I just tried to instill into her a 220 00:14:01,502 --> 00:14:06,422 quieter voice, a nicer walk... 221 00:14:06,842 --> 00:14:08,762 And things that I thought would help her, 222 00:14:08,962 --> 00:14:11,362 because I had no idea, really, that caril would be with us as 223 00:14:11,512 --> 00:14:14,812 long as she was. 224 00:14:15,012 --> 00:14:16,482 I started in corrections in York, 225 00:14:16,682 --> 00:14:21,602 Nebraska in '68, and caril Ann fugate was the gate girl, 226 00:14:22,942 --> 00:14:25,152 so when I went in for the interview, 227 00:14:25,352 --> 00:14:27,322 caril Ann fugate opened the gate for me, 228 00:14:27,522 --> 00:14:30,162 [chuckling] Which I had no idea this was her. 229 00:14:37,872 --> 00:14:41,002 The women worse housedresses. 230 00:14:41,202 --> 00:14:45,842 They could not wear makeup, and when they spoke to the staff, 231 00:14:46,042 --> 00:14:48,842 they were not to look at us. 232 00:14:49,042 --> 00:14:50,512 [Cell door slams] 233 00:14:50,712 --> 00:14:54,472 But that was the era; We were very punitive. 234 00:14:56,812 --> 00:15:01,752 I started out on night shift and Rose through the ranks. 235 00:15:01,952 --> 00:15:05,692 Normally, to become a warden, you were usually 55 years old, 236 00:15:05,892 --> 00:15:06,442 60. 237 00:15:06,642 --> 00:15:09,702 [Man vo] Today, the reformatory is run by 36-year-old Jackie 238 00:15:09,902 --> 00:15:13,702 Crawford, the youngest warden in the United States. 239 00:15:13,902 --> 00:15:16,542 You know, there's a certain therapeutic value to lockup, 240 00:15:16,742 --> 00:15:20,882 and we have seen women grow... really grow. 241 00:15:21,082 --> 00:15:25,212 I was young and I was adventurous and bold... much 242 00:15:25,412 --> 00:15:28,882 bolder than probably should have been... and, 243 00:15:29,082 --> 00:15:32,392 at that time, made a lot of changes. 244 00:15:32,592 --> 00:15:34,722 [Man vo] The reformatory's rules are strict, 245 00:15:34,922 --> 00:15:38,562 but the atmosphere is generally relaxed. 246 00:15:38,762 --> 00:15:40,882 Jackie Crawford allowed for a lot more freedoms of the 247 00:15:40,932 --> 00:15:43,402 prisoners. 248 00:15:43,602 --> 00:15:47,072 And one of those programs was to allow inmates who were on good 249 00:15:47,272 --> 00:15:50,572 behavior to go see their lawyers. 250 00:15:50,772 --> 00:15:52,772 So caril could go and spend a whole weekend with my 251 00:15:52,942 --> 00:15:55,242 grandparents or with my parents in Lincoln. 252 00:16:05,622 --> 00:16:08,922 I was even babysat by her a couple of times. 253 00:16:09,122 --> 00:16:11,592 And my father took her to the swimming pool of this apartment 254 00:16:11,792 --> 00:16:13,932 complex that he owned. 255 00:16:14,132 --> 00:16:16,762 We just all went out swimming, had a good day and all that, 256 00:16:16,962 --> 00:16:19,772 and then caril was taken back to the prison. 257 00:16:25,972 --> 00:16:28,942 And complained about it. 258 00:16:29,142 --> 00:16:32,452 And Jackie Crawford stopped allowing her to go to Lincoln, 259 00:16:32,652 --> 00:16:35,282 because people were so hateful of her. 260 00:16:35,482 --> 00:16:37,792 To this day, you go there and you bring up caril fugate, 261 00:16:37,992 --> 00:16:39,628 a lot of people will say, "she should have been right there on 262 00:16:39,652 --> 00:16:41,002 Charley's lap." 263 00:16:41,202 --> 00:16:45,252 The emotion of this whole thing, it permeated Lincoln. 264 00:16:45,662 --> 00:16:49,962 There's a stigma, and in corrections, 265 00:16:50,162 --> 00:16:51,972 we're not there to forgive. 266 00:16:52,172 --> 00:16:53,632 [Alarm ringing] 267 00:16:53,842 --> 00:16:57,312 We're not there for atonement. 268 00:16:57,512 --> 00:17:00,982 The women, they have to be able to look in that mirror, 269 00:17:01,182 --> 00:17:04,652 and they know what they've done or what they haven't done, 270 00:17:04,852 --> 00:17:09,772 and they have to live with that; I don't. 271 00:17:10,402 --> 00:17:12,822 [Caril vo] I really wish that there was something I could do. 272 00:17:13,022 --> 00:17:14,838 I wish there was some magic word I could say or [sniffles] 273 00:17:14,862 --> 00:17:17,332 A magic phrase... 274 00:17:17,532 --> 00:17:20,162 Or something... 275 00:17:20,362 --> 00:17:23,332 That would... you know, that could... 276 00:17:23,532 --> 00:17:24,832 Bring these people back. 277 00:17:25,032 --> 00:17:26,172 I'm sorry. 278 00:17:26,372 --> 00:17:29,672 I'm deeply sorry it happened. 279 00:17:29,872 --> 00:17:32,512 And, um... 280 00:17:32,712 --> 00:17:35,342 I swear to almighty god, I never killed any of them. 281 00:17:35,542 --> 00:17:38,882 Tender ethereal music 282 00:17:41,262 --> 00:17:43,642 I missed a part here. 283 00:17:45,642 --> 00:17:47,362 [Sewing machine tapping] 284 00:17:47,562 --> 00:17:49,362 You know, when caril was incarcerated, 285 00:17:49,562 --> 00:17:54,482 she was never once cited for any disciplinary action. 286 00:17:54,902 --> 00:17:59,702 [Jackie vo] Caril was a very passive kind of person. 287 00:17:59,902 --> 00:18:04,042 She never really challenged any rule or any direction, 288 00:18:04,242 --> 00:18:07,712 and any time there was any controversy or any tension in 289 00:18:07,912 --> 00:18:11,052 the institution, she froze. 290 00:18:11,252 --> 00:18:14,382 She froze; I watched her. 291 00:18:14,582 --> 00:18:17,052 Jackie Crawford told me caril came to her crying one day and 292 00:18:17,252 --> 00:18:20,892 said she wanted to be locked up in solitary. 293 00:18:21,092 --> 00:18:23,238 And Jackie asked, "why in the world would you want to do 294 00:18:23,262 --> 00:18:24,892 that?" [chuckles] 295 00:18:25,092 --> 00:18:28,902 Caril kept saying that other inmates were trying to incite 296 00:18:29,102 --> 00:18:31,572 her to do something to break the rules 'cause they knew of her 297 00:18:31,772 --> 00:18:34,242 perfect record, [chuckling] Which probably very few of them 298 00:18:34,442 --> 00:18:35,572 had. 299 00:18:35,772 --> 00:18:38,242 Caril said, [chuckling] "I'm afraid I'll blow... 300 00:18:38,442 --> 00:18:40,742 I'll do something." 301 00:18:40,942 --> 00:18:42,242 [Jackie vo] She was tortured. 302 00:18:42,442 --> 00:18:45,252 She was tortured every day. 303 00:18:45,452 --> 00:18:46,002 When people would come in, you know, 304 00:18:46,202 --> 00:18:49,252 to tour... you know, special interest groups... the first 305 00:18:49,452 --> 00:18:50,922 thing out of everyone's mouth: "Oh, 306 00:18:51,122 --> 00:18:52,252 where's caril Ann fugate? 307 00:18:52,452 --> 00:18:53,092 Where's that murderer?" 308 00:18:53,292 --> 00:18:54,712 You know... 309 00:18:55,342 --> 00:18:59,092 She said, "if I hadn't hooked up with this guy or met this guy, 310 00:18:59,292 --> 00:19:01,432 you know, all of this wouldn't have happened. 311 00:19:01,632 --> 00:19:03,262 It's really my fault." 312 00:19:03,462 --> 00:19:07,772 She continuously blamed herself for so much of it. 313 00:19:07,972 --> 00:19:10,118 "Why didn't you run here, or why didn't you run there when 314 00:19:10,142 --> 00:19:12,772 you had this opportunity or that opportunity?" 315 00:19:12,972 --> 00:19:14,782 And at no time... 316 00:19:14,982 --> 00:19:17,282 Did I have a clear-cut opportunity. 317 00:19:17,482 --> 00:19:21,782 No time, without it being said that someone would die. 318 00:19:21,982 --> 00:19:25,452 [Ward vo] I feel like one of the reasons why this story is so 319 00:19:25,652 --> 00:19:30,462 powerful and so resonant is because of her. 320 00:19:30,662 --> 00:19:34,302 She was the story more than he was, 321 00:19:34,502 --> 00:19:37,632 because without her, he's just... 322 00:19:37,832 --> 00:19:42,302 A guy walking around killing people. 323 00:19:42,502 --> 00:19:47,372 There must have been so much speculation about the fact that 324 00:19:47,572 --> 00:19:52,602 they broke the norms of their repressive small-town Nebraska, 325 00:19:53,812 --> 00:19:57,322 you know, society and struck out on their own, 326 00:19:57,522 --> 00:19:59,322 and I can only imagine 327 00:19:59,522 --> 00:20:03,492 how many teenagers fantasized about being 328 00:20:03,692 --> 00:20:06,992 able to do that... you know, maybe minus the murder spree. 329 00:20:07,192 --> 00:20:08,332 Hey, where you goin'?! 330 00:20:08,532 --> 00:20:10,662 [Gunshots] 331 00:20:10,872 --> 00:20:14,672 [Murley vo] And 'badlands' was clearly picking up on this 332 00:20:14,872 --> 00:20:17,672 archetype in 1973. 333 00:20:17,872 --> 00:20:20,512 [Holly] Daddy? 334 00:20:20,712 --> 00:20:22,182 This is Holly. 335 00:20:22,382 --> 00:20:26,852 [Murley vo] In that movie, malick is narrating the crime 336 00:20:27,052 --> 00:20:28,852 spree, obviously. 337 00:20:29,052 --> 00:20:29,682 Hey. 338 00:20:29,882 --> 00:20:34,562 [Gunshots] 339 00:20:35,812 --> 00:20:37,772 [Murley vo] And the relationship between these two 340 00:20:37,892 --> 00:20:39,692 kids. 341 00:20:39,892 --> 00:20:41,862 Tense ambient music 342 00:20:42,062 --> 00:20:46,872 but with 'badlands, ' it did much more than just present a crime 343 00:20:47,072 --> 00:20:49,542 story. 344 00:20:49,742 --> 00:20:53,542 It was questioning not just why these kids did this but, 345 00:20:53,742 --> 00:20:57,882 like, what does this mean? 346 00:20:58,082 --> 00:21:02,002 Who are we that this happens? 347 00:21:04,512 --> 00:21:09,512 Through the lens of that crime, malick is trying to understand 348 00:21:09,802 --> 00:21:15,022 the desire to live an image, rather than a boring reality... 349 00:21:17,522 --> 00:21:20,902 Rather than just, you know, your boring old "I'm a garbage man." 350 00:21:21,102 --> 00:21:24,742 [Man vo] You know who that son of a bitch looks like? 351 00:21:24,942 --> 00:21:29,862 I'll kiss your ass if you don't look like James Dean. 352 00:21:30,072 --> 00:21:33,082 [Murley vo] He's able to explore ideas about nihilism and 353 00:21:33,282 --> 00:21:35,952 existentialism. 354 00:21:38,212 --> 00:21:41,422 And maybe that's why he wanted to distance himself from the 355 00:21:41,622 --> 00:21:44,762 actual starkweather events: Because he was doing something 356 00:21:44,962 --> 00:21:48,602 so different with their story. 357 00:21:48,802 --> 00:21:52,932 Tender ethereal music 358 00:21:53,132 --> 00:21:54,532 when the movie 'badlands" was made, 359 00:21:54,682 --> 00:21:56,618 Terrence malick and Martin sheen brought the movie to York and 360 00:21:56,642 --> 00:22:00,442 had a private screening with caril. 361 00:22:00,642 --> 00:22:02,782 [Malick vo] She had made arrangements to get out on a 362 00:22:02,982 --> 00:22:05,782 weekend leave... 363 00:22:05,982 --> 00:22:09,452 Just so we could all gather and talk. 364 00:22:14,322 --> 00:22:17,462 You know, at the only cafe [Chuckling] they have in York, 365 00:22:17,662 --> 00:22:22,582 and he was just so humble and was so comfortable with caril. 366 00:22:23,592 --> 00:22:25,972 And then, the movie. 367 00:22:26,172 --> 00:22:27,972 [Film reel ticking] 368 00:22:28,172 --> 00:22:29,818 [James mcarthur vo] When we sat in the theater, 369 00:22:29,842 --> 00:22:32,812 there weren't very many of us. 370 00:22:33,012 --> 00:22:35,158 Everybody was talking... What was caril's reaction going 371 00:22:35,182 --> 00:22:37,602 to be? 372 00:22:38,932 --> 00:22:42,152 Martin's depiction of starkweather... his mannerisms 373 00:22:42,352 --> 00:22:45,652 were just exactly what she remembered. 374 00:22:45,852 --> 00:22:48,322 Where he's by this box car and he's mumbling to himself going 375 00:22:48,522 --> 00:22:50,162 back and forth... 376 00:22:50,362 --> 00:22:55,162 She says, "I can remember Charley doing that very thing," 377 00:22:55,362 --> 00:22:58,122 and that's what disturbed her about it. 378 00:22:59,452 --> 00:23:02,172 Caril reached out to Martin, and she said, 379 00:23:02,372 --> 00:23:05,672 "Charley, you've come back to haunt me." 380 00:23:17,312 --> 00:23:19,852 And to the degree I had a crazy adolescent phase, 381 00:23:20,052 --> 00:23:24,692 I was at the peak or depths of that. 382 00:23:24,892 --> 00:23:27,532 And I went to the film knowing that this was based on 383 00:23:27,732 --> 00:23:31,202 starkweather and fugate. 384 00:23:31,402 --> 00:23:34,822 So it just struck many nerves. 385 00:23:35,822 --> 00:23:38,492 [Kit] Hey! 386 00:23:38,992 --> 00:23:40,712 It was only much later, actually, 387 00:23:40,912 --> 00:23:45,212 that I realized, "this is a romanticization." 388 00:23:45,412 --> 00:23:48,382 That film made Charley starkweather look much better 389 00:23:48,582 --> 00:23:51,342 than Charles starkweather was. 390 00:23:52,052 --> 00:23:55,392 [Kit] Don't worry, now, i'm gonna get you off these charges. 391 00:23:55,592 --> 00:23:57,068 There's a whole lot of other boys out there waitin' for 392 00:23:57,092 --> 00:23:58,232 you... 393 00:23:58,432 --> 00:24:00,392 And you're gonna have a lot of fun. 394 00:24:00,592 --> 00:24:04,732 And at the house that would have been my grandparents, 395 00:24:04,932 --> 00:24:07,742 the scenario played out really differently. 396 00:24:07,942 --> 00:24:08,942 [Kit] Hi. 397 00:24:09,102 --> 00:24:10,242 Yes? 398 00:24:10,442 --> 00:24:11,742 [Kit] This your place? 399 00:24:11,942 --> 00:24:13,072 Yes. 400 00:24:13,272 --> 00:24:16,412 [Kit] Anyone else here besides you two? 401 00:24:16,612 --> 00:24:17,752 No. 402 00:24:17,952 --> 00:24:20,412 [Ward vo] Nobody gets killed in that house. 403 00:24:20,612 --> 00:24:22,082 Good deal. 404 00:24:22,282 --> 00:24:24,082 Okay, come on, you two, down in the cellar. 405 00:24:24,292 --> 00:24:28,262 [Ward vo] That movie was so much less brutal than the 406 00:24:28,462 --> 00:24:29,762 actual murders. 407 00:24:29,962 --> 00:24:32,432 [Gunshots] 408 00:24:32,632 --> 00:24:33,432 Think I got 'em? 409 00:24:33,632 --> 00:24:34,632 I don't know. 410 00:24:34,802 --> 00:24:37,262 Well, I'm not going down there to look. 411 00:24:37,462 --> 00:24:40,722 [Battisti vo] 'Badlands' is really a fairytale. 412 00:24:43,732 --> 00:24:48,812 It was nothing like caril's sojourn with mr starkweather. 413 00:24:49,112 --> 00:24:53,612 Eerie piano music 414 00:24:53,812 --> 00:24:56,622 sissy spacek as caril went through, 415 00:24:56,822 --> 00:24:58,952 like, a fog. 416 00:24:59,152 --> 00:25:04,082 She's almost pre-euphoric pot smoker. 417 00:25:05,252 --> 00:25:07,462 [Man vo] You think he's crazy, huh? 418 00:25:07,662 --> 00:25:08,962 [Holly vo] I don't know. 419 00:25:09,162 --> 00:25:12,132 They claim I've got him wrapped around my little finger but... 420 00:25:12,332 --> 00:25:14,642 But I never told him to shoot anybody. 421 00:25:14,842 --> 00:25:16,302 Eerie music 422 00:25:16,502 --> 00:25:19,312 'badlands, ' in many ways, reflects Charley's 423 00:25:19,512 --> 00:25:22,812 point-of-view, which was he goes and he does things... 424 00:25:23,012 --> 00:25:24,772 [Gunshot] 425 00:25:25,272 --> 00:25:29,322 And caril kind of goes with it and never really does anything, 426 00:25:29,522 --> 00:25:33,362 but also never really has any emotions about anything. 427 00:25:33,862 --> 00:25:37,662 [Holly vo] I didn't feel shame or feel but just kinda blah, 428 00:25:37,862 --> 00:25:39,838 like when you're sittin' there and all the water's run out of 429 00:25:39,862 --> 00:25:41,332 the bathtub. 430 00:25:41,532 --> 00:25:46,402 [Ward vo] It wasn't the truth, but it was all I had. 431 00:25:46,602 --> 00:25:49,502 Memory is very iffy and fungible, 432 00:25:49,702 --> 00:25:52,342 and in the popular imagination or certainly the imagination 433 00:25:52,542 --> 00:25:55,682 of Bruce Springsteen... 'Badlands' becomes the story. 434 00:25:55,882 --> 00:25:58,512 Singer Bruce Springsteen has released an album that may make 435 00:25:58,712 --> 00:26:01,182 caril fugate and Charles starkweather as well known among 436 00:26:01,382 --> 00:26:03,663 the young as once they were as well known as they were, 437 00:26:03,722 --> 00:26:06,522 for example, when mr starkweather was executed. 438 00:26:06,722 --> 00:26:08,692 [Applause] 439 00:26:08,892 --> 00:26:11,532 For this song, I remember I had been moved by the Terrence 440 00:26:11,732 --> 00:26:15,862 malick film 'badlands' and I got interested in the story. 441 00:26:16,062 --> 00:26:18,032 You can put together a lot of detail, 442 00:26:18,232 --> 00:26:20,202 but unless you pull something up out of yourself, 443 00:26:20,402 --> 00:26:22,542 it's just gonna lay flat on the page. 444 00:26:22,742 --> 00:26:25,302 You gotta find out what you have in common with that character no 445 00:26:25,412 --> 00:26:27,372 matter who they are or what they did. 446 00:26:27,572 --> 00:26:30,712 [Ward vo] When I was in college, 447 00:26:30,912 --> 00:26:33,212 there was an older man. 448 00:26:33,412 --> 00:26:37,222 And I remember him saying, "oh, you know there's a song 449 00:26:37,422 --> 00:26:38,762 about it." 450 00:26:38,962 --> 00:26:41,243 I didn't, and he said, "you don't know Bruce Springsteen's 451 00:26:41,422 --> 00:26:43,512 'Nebraska?'" 452 00:26:44,352 --> 00:26:47,732 through the badlands 453 00:26:47,932 --> 00:26:51,232 of Wyoming... 454 00:26:51,432 --> 00:26:54,072 I was more in shock... 455 00:26:54,272 --> 00:26:58,072 Because I realized how much this story had permeated 456 00:26:58,272 --> 00:27:00,072 popular culture. 457 00:27:00,272 --> 00:27:03,582 You know what I think about? 458 00:27:03,782 --> 00:27:05,252 Sex. 459 00:27:05,452 --> 00:27:06,252 Sex. 460 00:27:06,452 --> 00:27:07,922 Fuckin.' 461 00:27:08,122 --> 00:27:10,082 my mind drives me crazy. 462 00:27:10,282 --> 00:27:13,922 When 'nautral born killers' and 'true romance' and these other 463 00:27:14,122 --> 00:27:18,592 "inspired by" versions of young, attractive movie star couples 464 00:27:18,792 --> 00:27:22,432 going on killing sprees came out in the early '90s, 465 00:27:22,632 --> 00:27:27,102 all made by macho baby boomer dudes... movie directors who 466 00:27:27,302 --> 00:27:30,942 grew up on 'badlands' and starkweather... they all struck 467 00:27:31,142 --> 00:27:33,112 me as brutal... 468 00:27:33,312 --> 00:27:34,782 Pointless... 469 00:27:34,982 --> 00:27:39,482 You know, they're true existential heroes. 470 00:27:41,242 --> 00:27:43,622 [Murley vo] The starkweather story draws viewers no matter 471 00:27:43,822 --> 00:27:45,792 what. 472 00:27:45,992 --> 00:27:48,462 You make every day feel like kindergarten. 473 00:27:48,662 --> 00:27:51,792 Obviously, 'natural born killers' is a re-telling of the 474 00:27:51,992 --> 00:27:56,582 intersection with mass media and the starkweather case. 475 00:27:57,922 --> 00:28:01,302 Mickey and Mallory stole the show. 476 00:28:01,502 --> 00:28:03,642 [Crowd] We want Mallory! 477 00:28:03,842 --> 00:28:05,648 [Woman] What do you think of this turnout, Mallory? 478 00:28:05,672 --> 00:28:07,142 I've never had more fun in my life! 479 00:28:07,342 --> 00:28:10,142 [Murley vo] Those characters become heroes because they're 480 00:28:10,342 --> 00:28:15,272 beautiful, they're interesting and charismatic... 481 00:28:15,602 --> 00:28:20,862 And the violence in these movies is spatter Gore but there's 482 00:28:21,232 --> 00:28:24,162 something really appealing about it. 483 00:28:31,792 --> 00:28:35,002 It's sort of lovingly-rendered violence. 484 00:28:41,212 --> 00:28:43,012 Is where it is. 485 00:28:43,212 --> 00:28:46,012 The filmmaker does his best to reflect society the way he 486 00:28:46,212 --> 00:28:48,022 sees it. 487 00:28:48,222 --> 00:28:52,022 And our society is culturally in a very bankrupt 488 00:28:52,222 --> 00:28:54,862 and violent mode. 489 00:28:55,062 --> 00:28:58,532 We want to get close to violence... 490 00:28:58,732 --> 00:29:00,208 But we don't want it to be real violence, 491 00:29:00,232 --> 00:29:02,032 we don't want it to be too real. 492 00:29:02,232 --> 00:29:04,532 [Laughs] 493 00:29:04,732 --> 00:29:06,202 [Murley vo] It makes it watchable, 494 00:29:06,402 --> 00:29:09,702 it makes it interesting. 495 00:29:09,902 --> 00:29:13,542 It is the ultimate expression of freedom. 496 00:29:13,742 --> 00:29:16,882 [Mallory] You still like me now, Jack? 497 00:29:17,082 --> 00:29:18,082 Gah! 498 00:29:18,252 --> 00:29:20,842 [Gunshot] 499 00:29:24,672 --> 00:29:26,222 [Caril vo] I've always looked to just, 500 00:29:26,422 --> 00:29:28,062 you know, next year. 501 00:29:28,262 --> 00:29:30,722 Or maybe next year, or maybe next year, 502 00:29:30,922 --> 00:29:32,892 or next year, or next year, until, 503 00:29:33,092 --> 00:29:36,062 finally, all these years have tracked off by themselves. 504 00:29:36,262 --> 00:29:38,232 But I've never, you know, stood in the mirror and, 505 00:29:38,432 --> 00:29:40,572 you know, looked and said, you know, 506 00:29:40,772 --> 00:29:43,742 "my goodness, girl, why?" 507 00:29:43,942 --> 00:29:45,742 Because I think probably, personally, 508 00:29:45,942 --> 00:29:49,582 if I had really... 509 00:29:49,782 --> 00:29:52,582 Said in my mind, "this is it. 510 00:29:52,782 --> 00:29:57,712 You are forever and ever and ever doomed, 511 00:29:58,542 --> 00:30:01,092 you know, to a penitentiary," 512 00:30:01,292 --> 00:30:02,922 I don't think I would have made it. 513 00:30:03,122 --> 00:30:04,932 I really don't. 514 00:30:05,132 --> 00:30:07,268 [Jeff mcarthur vo] Caril appealed her sentence time after 515 00:30:07,292 --> 00:30:09,602 time after time. 516 00:30:09,802 --> 00:30:12,772 The appeals process went on for so long that my father, 517 00:30:12,972 --> 00:30:15,442 who is caril's same age, went through high school, 518 00:30:15,642 --> 00:30:17,942 then through college, then through law school, 519 00:30:18,142 --> 00:30:21,232 and then he actually became her appeals attorney. 520 00:30:23,402 --> 00:30:26,452 And the appeals process ended up going all the way to the us 521 00:30:26,652 --> 00:30:28,622 supreme court again. 522 00:30:28,822 --> 00:30:31,792 Tense ambient music 523 00:30:31,992 --> 00:30:34,452 I think caril had hoped this was gonna be it, 524 00:30:34,662 --> 00:30:37,412 she was gonna have a break. 525 00:30:37,832 --> 00:30:40,632 But she was pretty naive, because when you're 526 00:30:40,832 --> 00:30:43,132 institutionalized, it's kind of a bubble. 527 00:30:43,332 --> 00:30:45,632 You know, you really are not subjected to other people's 528 00:30:45,832 --> 00:30:46,972 perception. 529 00:30:47,172 --> 00:30:50,592 Perceptions are so important. 530 00:30:50,882 --> 00:30:54,312 When you terrify an entire state and lock it down, 531 00:30:54,512 --> 00:30:56,982 people don't forget that very quickly. 532 00:31:02,682 --> 00:31:04,822 Person by her very nature. 533 00:31:05,022 --> 00:31:08,492 She always thought that the law was meant for her protection 534 00:31:08,692 --> 00:31:10,992 as well as anybody. 535 00:31:11,192 --> 00:31:16,002 The supreme court decided that the evidence against caril was 536 00:31:16,202 --> 00:31:19,832 so strong that essentially she was not entitled to a fair 537 00:31:20,032 --> 00:31:21,672 trial. 538 00:31:29,842 --> 00:31:34,352 In a case of this magnitude, when there was such a huge 539 00:31:34,552 --> 00:31:39,192 outpouring of prejudice against caril... 540 00:31:39,392 --> 00:31:42,062 The law just breaks down. 541 00:31:44,312 --> 00:31:49,262 That was the end of the appeals; That would have been 1972. 542 00:31:49,462 --> 00:31:52,202 So that was the end of the road. 543 00:31:52,402 --> 00:31:54,992 [Book slams shut] 544 00:31:56,992 --> 00:31:59,042 [Jackie vo] When her appeal was denied, 545 00:31:59,242 --> 00:32:03,042 I received a call from the director of corrections. 546 00:32:03,242 --> 00:32:05,382 He was concerned how she would react. 547 00:32:05,582 --> 00:32:09,172 Would she be suicidal? 548 00:32:10,342 --> 00:32:12,052 And just about the time I hang up, 549 00:32:12,252 --> 00:32:15,892 caril's at my door. 550 00:32:16,092 --> 00:32:19,392 And I just allowed her to talk. 551 00:32:19,592 --> 00:32:21,062 "Why won't they believe me? 552 00:32:21,262 --> 00:32:23,232 I never will get out of here. 553 00:32:23,432 --> 00:32:28,322 I will never be able to prove that I was innocent. 554 00:32:28,522 --> 00:32:30,902 So maybe you should just put me in the hole. 555 00:32:31,102 --> 00:32:31,912 Just forget about me. 556 00:32:32,112 --> 00:32:33,372 Throw away the key!" 557 00:32:33,572 --> 00:32:36,742 You know, it's one of those... just being very... 558 00:32:36,942 --> 00:32:40,582 Disenchanted, so to speak. 559 00:32:40,782 --> 00:32:43,582 [Caril vo] I had, you know, started to feel that 560 00:32:43,782 --> 00:32:46,092 it's just... 561 00:32:46,292 --> 00:32:47,592 It's just too hard to do. 562 00:32:47,792 --> 00:32:49,438 You know, it's really... It's just too hard to do, 563 00:32:49,462 --> 00:32:51,422 I'm not gonna make it tomorrow. 564 00:32:51,632 --> 00:32:56,262 And, uh, it started to show my face started to show, 565 00:32:56,462 --> 00:32:59,772 my hair started to show... that I was going through a difficult 566 00:32:59,972 --> 00:33:02,272 period when I thought, you know... 567 00:33:02,472 --> 00:33:03,472 "What is the use? 568 00:33:03,642 --> 00:33:05,442 I'm just not gonna make it." 569 00:33:05,642 --> 00:33:06,942 And, uh... 570 00:33:07,142 --> 00:33:09,942 Mrs Crawford, the superintendent, 571 00:33:10,142 --> 00:33:11,782 she said, "come here, caril." 572 00:33:11,982 --> 00:33:14,612 She said, "I wanna show you something." 573 00:33:14,822 --> 00:33:17,122 And she took me by the hand, and she went in and she said, 574 00:33:17,322 --> 00:33:19,292 "look in the mirror." 575 00:33:19,492 --> 00:33:22,462 And I looked in the mirror and I cried, 576 00:33:22,662 --> 00:33:26,632 because I looked like I was just going downhill. 577 00:33:26,832 --> 00:33:29,132 I said, "no, no, no, we're not gonna do that." 578 00:33:29,332 --> 00:33:31,138 And I said, "we're gonna do something different. 579 00:33:31,162 --> 00:33:34,132 Maybe we're gonna help build your image." 580 00:33:34,332 --> 00:33:35,692 She said, "well, what do you mean?" 581 00:33:35,842 --> 00:33:38,002 And I said, "well, you know, let's see what we can do." 582 00:33:38,172 --> 00:33:39,892 I said, "go put some makeup on," and I said, 583 00:33:40,012 --> 00:33:41,472 "I always do that when I feel bad, 584 00:33:41,682 --> 00:33:43,642 caril, so go put some makeup on." 585 00:33:43,842 --> 00:33:45,158 And I said, "let's fix your hair." 586 00:33:45,182 --> 00:33:46,812 She had beautiful hair, beautiful hair. 587 00:33:47,012 --> 00:33:49,482 The next day, I went up and I got my hair cut and I fixed 588 00:33:49,682 --> 00:33:52,042 myself up, and I really looked, you know... I looked better, 589 00:33:52,192 --> 00:33:57,192 I felt better, and she gave me something to make me go on. 590 00:33:58,322 --> 00:33:59,838 [Crawford vo] You know, a mass murderer, 591 00:33:59,862 --> 00:34:01,508 if that's what they wanted to portray her as, 592 00:34:01,532 --> 00:34:03,502 we just didn't see that. 593 00:34:03,702 --> 00:34:06,672 And because of her crime and the visibility, 594 00:34:06,872 --> 00:34:10,842 I felt that she needed all the help she could get. 595 00:34:11,042 --> 00:34:12,202 [Man] Now, to five and do it. 596 00:34:12,372 --> 00:34:13,672 You want me to do the sound? 597 00:34:13,872 --> 00:34:14,422 [Man] Yeah, the sound. 598 00:34:14,622 --> 00:34:17,512 [Crawford vo] And at that time, ninette beaver came out. 599 00:34:17,712 --> 00:34:19,472 She was the reporter. 600 00:34:35,822 --> 00:34:38,038 [Crawford vo] Ninette felt like she wanted to see how much she 601 00:34:38,062 --> 00:34:41,532 had grown or what had happened to her. 602 00:34:41,742 --> 00:34:44,042 And caril, you know, of course she met with her, 603 00:34:44,242 --> 00:34:47,212 and ninette was so impressed with caril and how articulate 604 00:34:47,412 --> 00:34:49,382 she was. 605 00:34:49,582 --> 00:34:53,212 So she asked for permission to film with caril. 606 00:34:53,412 --> 00:34:55,552 [Man vo] Nbc news presents... 607 00:34:55,752 --> 00:34:58,592 'Growing up in prison.' 608 00:34:59,132 --> 00:35:00,692 [Crawford vo] Here we go with the media, 609 00:35:00,752 --> 00:35:02,222 the cameras. 610 00:35:02,422 --> 00:35:04,722 You know, this could be an expos and I think she was a 611 00:35:04,932 --> 00:35:06,062 little bit apprehensive. 612 00:35:06,262 --> 00:35:07,562 "Oh, what if they don't like me? 613 00:35:07,762 --> 00:35:08,852 What if they... "You know. 614 00:35:09,052 --> 00:35:11,232 I said, "caril, go in there and just be caril, 615 00:35:11,432 --> 00:35:14,072 because that's important... For people to get to know you. 616 00:35:14,272 --> 00:35:17,242 You know, sometimes, I've wondered... 617 00:35:17,442 --> 00:35:20,912 Why I was the one that, uh... 618 00:35:21,112 --> 00:35:22,742 Always survived. 619 00:35:22,942 --> 00:35:24,412 And, um... 620 00:35:24,612 --> 00:35:26,912 I don't... it's... 621 00:35:27,112 --> 00:35:28,422 It's just something inside you. 622 00:35:28,622 --> 00:35:30,752 It's really hard... 623 00:35:30,952 --> 00:35:33,252 It's really hard to put it in words, 624 00:35:33,452 --> 00:35:37,092 but I used to wonder, um... 625 00:35:37,292 --> 00:35:39,092 Why me? 626 00:35:39,292 --> 00:35:41,722 You know, why was I the only one? 627 00:35:43,722 --> 00:35:46,102 [Crawford vo] They were so impressed how the community had 628 00:35:46,302 --> 00:35:48,602 opened their arms to caril. 629 00:35:48,802 --> 00:35:50,618 [Man vo] Some of the women from the reformatory are allowed to 630 00:35:50,642 --> 00:35:52,772 visit York under supervision. 631 00:35:52,972 --> 00:35:55,942 [Laughter and chatter] 632 00:35:56,142 --> 00:35:58,612 Caril fugate had never been to a bowling alley before her 633 00:35:58,812 --> 00:36:00,282 imprisonment. 634 00:36:00,482 --> 00:36:03,072 She has pushed her average to 103. 635 00:36:04,572 --> 00:36:07,122 [Laughter and applause] 636 00:36:07,322 --> 00:36:11,792 And caril, she was not as afraid as she used to be, 637 00:36:11,992 --> 00:36:16,302 and she started seeing a different side of life. 638 00:36:16,502 --> 00:36:18,802 [Man vo] Caril fugate was baptized a Roman catholic two 639 00:36:19,002 --> 00:36:20,472 years ago. 640 00:36:20,672 --> 00:36:23,142 On Sunday, she works as a volunteer at the local church of 641 00:36:23,342 --> 00:36:24,472 the nazarene. 642 00:36:24,672 --> 00:36:27,972 I found out that i'm a child of god's... 643 00:36:28,172 --> 00:36:31,142 And that no matter what happens... 644 00:36:31,342 --> 00:36:33,482 No matter what happened... 645 00:36:33,682 --> 00:36:35,822 In the sight of god... 646 00:36:36,022 --> 00:36:38,152 It's over. 647 00:36:38,352 --> 00:36:39,992 Tender ambient music 648 00:36:40,192 --> 00:36:42,662 [man vo] 400 women have been released since caril fugate 649 00:36:42,862 --> 00:36:45,162 began serving her life sentence. 650 00:36:45,362 --> 00:36:48,332 There is not one person left... not an inmate, 651 00:36:48,532 --> 00:36:52,502 not a guard... who was here when she arrived. 652 00:36:52,702 --> 00:36:55,172 She speaks to civic groups and service clubs throughout the 653 00:36:55,372 --> 00:36:58,342 state without revealing her identity. 654 00:36:58,542 --> 00:37:01,172 But this day, everyone knew who she was. 655 00:37:01,372 --> 00:37:04,512 Our philosophy is to deal with the total woman. 656 00:37:04,712 --> 00:37:07,852 Our program does not deal with why she is there but what she 657 00:37:08,052 --> 00:37:10,682 does while she is there. 658 00:37:10,882 --> 00:37:12,022 When she comes into the... 659 00:37:12,222 --> 00:37:14,022 [Caril vo] I went through a period... 660 00:37:14,222 --> 00:37:18,192 Of wishing that I was someone else. 661 00:37:18,392 --> 00:37:22,032 I would get real upset if people said my last name, 662 00:37:22,232 --> 00:37:26,032 because it was like somebody throwing mud. 663 00:37:26,232 --> 00:37:28,542 It hurt. 664 00:37:28,742 --> 00:37:33,212 But, uh, I am caril fugate, and it doesn't leave a bitter taste 665 00:37:33,412 --> 00:37:36,162 in my mouth. 666 00:37:37,672 --> 00:37:39,712 [Crawford vo] 'Growing up in prison' was kind of the 667 00:37:39,912 --> 00:37:42,552 launching pad to see her in a different perspective, 668 00:37:42,752 --> 00:37:45,722 which was very good for her. 669 00:37:45,922 --> 00:37:48,562 It elevated her profile. 670 00:37:48,762 --> 00:37:53,682 [Caril] I received some from, uh, 13-year-old girls, 671 00:37:53,972 --> 00:37:57,732 14, 18, some of 'em 20. 672 00:37:57,932 --> 00:38:02,862 I want to maybe try and put across to these... 673 00:38:04,692 --> 00:38:08,242 Teenagers that at this age, this is the age that I got in 674 00:38:08,442 --> 00:38:09,582 trouble. 675 00:38:09,782 --> 00:38:13,412 I have some teenage children and, uh... 676 00:38:13,612 --> 00:38:17,252 They have really been doing some deep thinking. 677 00:38:17,452 --> 00:38:19,752 Very deep in thought. 678 00:38:19,952 --> 00:38:24,552 [Crawford vo] That's when caril then applied for parole. 679 00:38:25,052 --> 00:38:25,652 Okay. 680 00:38:25,852 --> 00:38:29,052 [Crawford vo] And there was a lot of controversy. 681 00:38:30,552 --> 00:38:32,602 [Pauline Jensen] Well, I definitely, uh... 682 00:38:32,802 --> 00:38:35,942 Am opposed to her release at any time. 683 00:38:36,142 --> 00:38:38,612 I think it would be a miscarriage of justice 684 00:38:38,812 --> 00:38:41,942 for the ones that, uh... 685 00:38:42,142 --> 00:38:46,612 Were taken for her to be released to have a good life 686 00:38:46,812 --> 00:38:48,952 from now on. 687 00:38:49,152 --> 00:38:53,452 But you don't forget, not even a little bit. 688 00:38:53,652 --> 00:38:55,622 [Crawford vo] There's so much pain. 689 00:38:55,822 --> 00:38:59,962 The trauma that the entire state experienced. 690 00:39:00,162 --> 00:39:04,632 When I advocated for her parole, I even received some letters 691 00:39:04,832 --> 00:39:07,132 that were saying "how dare you?" 692 00:39:07,332 --> 00:39:10,642 She was, you know, a mass killer or a murderer and "how would you 693 00:39:10,842 --> 00:39:14,682 like it if your family would have been part of it?" 694 00:39:15,762 --> 00:39:18,482 So it was a very chaotic day. 695 00:39:25,022 --> 00:39:27,652 The parole board hearing was held onsite. 696 00:39:27,852 --> 00:39:29,942 [Shutter clicks] 697 00:39:32,452 --> 00:39:34,332 The media, I mean, it was just. 698 00:39:34,532 --> 00:39:37,502 You know, all over the place. 699 00:39:37,702 --> 00:39:40,672 [Beermann vo] The room was full of cameras and microphones. 700 00:39:40,872 --> 00:39:43,342 In fact, there were so many microphones and things on our 701 00:39:43,542 --> 00:39:46,512 desk, we hardly had room for our materials. 702 00:39:46,712 --> 00:39:50,512 Emotional piano music 703 00:39:50,712 --> 00:39:55,012 our law and the constitution created a parole board for a 704 00:39:55,222 --> 00:40:00,022 purpose: We determine whether or not this person is worthy of 705 00:40:00,222 --> 00:40:03,362 forgiveness in some caliber. 706 00:40:03,562 --> 00:40:05,368 [Robert Jensen sr] I don't think there is any doubt about 707 00:40:05,392 --> 00:40:07,032 her guilt. 708 00:40:07,232 --> 00:40:10,032 In fact, I think probably she was the instigator of most 709 00:40:10,232 --> 00:40:12,202 of this. 710 00:40:12,402 --> 00:40:15,202 [Man] That just about says it all, doesn't it? 711 00:40:15,402 --> 00:40:18,202 It does, as far as I'm concerned. 712 00:40:18,402 --> 00:40:22,542 [Beermann vo] We try not to second-guess the jury. 713 00:40:22,742 --> 00:40:26,552 They had the benefit of her testifying... 714 00:40:26,752 --> 00:40:29,722 Him testifying, they had the case files, 715 00:40:29,922 --> 00:40:32,592 the evidence. 716 00:40:33,172 --> 00:40:37,062 But our feelings affect our decisions, 717 00:40:37,262 --> 00:40:42,142 and if the witnesses and the testifier has made a good case, 718 00:40:42,352 --> 00:40:45,232 it can convince us. 719 00:40:45,432 --> 00:40:46,902 [Crawford vo] During her hearing, 720 00:40:47,102 --> 00:40:49,742 the parole board asked, "mrs Crawford, 721 00:40:49,942 --> 00:40:52,412 is there something you'd like to add?" 722 00:40:52,612 --> 00:40:57,082 And I said, "society has gotten their pound of flesh." 723 00:40:57,282 --> 00:40:59,702 It was like, "how dare she say that?" 724 00:40:59,902 --> 00:41:02,582 I probably misspoke, I probably should have softened it a little 725 00:41:02,782 --> 00:41:07,792 bit, but they wanted her to admit that she was guilty, 726 00:41:09,712 --> 00:41:12,762 and she says, "I am not going to do that." 727 00:41:20,472 --> 00:41:22,442 That she had something to do with... she planned, 728 00:41:22,642 --> 00:41:26,112 schemed, or whatever with him, because she says, 729 00:41:26,312 --> 00:41:29,442 "you have to be there to understand how I was traumatized 730 00:41:29,642 --> 00:41:31,112 and what I witnessed." 731 00:41:31,312 --> 00:41:33,952 She said, "I don't ever want anyone to ever believe that I 732 00:41:34,152 --> 00:41:36,782 was an accomplice with him." 733 00:41:36,982 --> 00:41:39,292 Do you have anything that you'd like to say? 734 00:41:39,492 --> 00:41:41,952 I feel sorry for the people who, 735 00:41:42,162 --> 00:41:46,292 for 18 years, have hated me so bad that it has destroyed 736 00:41:46,492 --> 00:41:47,922 their life. 737 00:41:48,122 --> 00:41:50,308 It's destroyed their life, and it's made their life more of a 738 00:41:50,332 --> 00:41:52,802 prison than mine has been. 739 00:41:53,002 --> 00:41:58,012 And I feel that in a way, prison is not four walls, 740 00:41:58,302 --> 00:42:01,642 you know, it's what's inside of you. 741 00:42:01,842 --> 00:42:03,982 [Crawford vo] I was worried about it because 742 00:42:04,182 --> 00:42:06,312 of the notoriety... 743 00:42:06,512 --> 00:42:11,322 Because of the media and... Some of this was politicized, 744 00:42:11,522 --> 00:42:14,822 and you either get paroled or you don't. 745 00:42:15,022 --> 00:42:16,492 But young women who were not paroled, 746 00:42:16,692 --> 00:42:19,492 sometimes they would regress. 747 00:42:19,692 --> 00:42:22,162 And with caril, having gone through the trauma 748 00:42:22,362 --> 00:42:24,832 that she did... 749 00:42:25,032 --> 00:42:29,502 I was worried about suicide. 750 00:42:29,702 --> 00:42:33,842 But there is a god... Let's put it that way. 751 00:42:34,042 --> 00:42:36,512 [Man] By a majority vote... 752 00:42:36,712 --> 00:42:41,222 You are to be paroled through the former aide program. 753 00:42:41,432 --> 00:42:43,682 [Applause] 754 00:42:43,882 --> 00:42:48,142 Tender piano music 755 00:42:50,312 --> 00:42:52,362 [Crawford vo] She was stunned. 756 00:43:04,072 --> 00:43:06,872 Flashing lights and cameras and and everything... 757 00:43:07,072 --> 00:43:09,912 It was horrific, it really was. 758 00:43:11,672 --> 00:43:13,728 [Male reporter] Caril Ann fugate has passed through those 759 00:43:13,752 --> 00:43:16,382 gates many times before on work release and other 760 00:43:16,582 --> 00:43:18,052 community projects. 761 00:43:18,252 --> 00:43:20,372 But it'll be much different when she leaves June 20th. 762 00:43:20,422 --> 00:43:23,892 That's when she begins her parole, 763 00:43:24,092 --> 00:43:26,892 when she will ask society to, in her words, 764 00:43:27,092 --> 00:43:30,902 "accept me for what I am, not by what you have heard. 765 00:43:31,102 --> 00:43:34,232 You know, you're a bundle of nerves 'cause you do not want 766 00:43:34,432 --> 00:43:37,402 the media following her because it will ruin her chance 767 00:43:37,602 --> 00:43:41,072 of having a normal life. 768 00:43:41,272 --> 00:43:43,912 So we were somewhat secretive and maybe a little bit 769 00:43:44,112 --> 00:43:46,372 deceiving. 770 00:43:46,782 --> 00:43:50,082 Very late at night, [chuckling] We put caril in the trunk of the 771 00:43:50,282 --> 00:43:53,422 car and drove out, you know, just like we were going home or 772 00:43:53,622 --> 00:43:55,762 something... 773 00:43:55,962 --> 00:43:59,592 So that we could get her on an airplane to Michigan. 774 00:44:11,472 --> 00:44:16,402 There was other staff there and everyone wished her the best. 775 00:44:16,612 --> 00:44:19,282 I gave her a big hug, and I told her, 776 00:44:19,482 --> 00:44:21,282 I says, "you know, we're here for you. 777 00:44:21,482 --> 00:44:23,622 Don't let us down." 778 00:44:23,822 --> 00:44:26,452 She says, "i promise you, I won't." 779 00:44:37,502 --> 00:44:39,302 [Caril vo] I'd like to just settle down, 780 00:44:39,502 --> 00:44:40,862 get married, have a couple of kids, 781 00:44:41,002 --> 00:44:43,472 you know, dust the house, clean the toilets, you know... 782 00:44:43,672 --> 00:44:46,972 Just an ordinary duppy housewife. 783 00:44:47,172 --> 00:44:49,812 The Nebraska parole board today wrote a new chapter in one of 784 00:44:50,012 --> 00:44:52,652 the most violent crimes stories in this country's history. 785 00:44:52,852 --> 00:44:55,158 Under the terms of her parole, she'll be able to start a new 786 00:44:55,182 --> 00:44:57,322 life in Clinton county, Michigan. 787 00:44:57,522 --> 00:44:59,822 Eric burns has that report. 788 00:45:00,022 --> 00:45:02,822 So far, only a few people in Clinton county know where caril 789 00:45:03,022 --> 00:45:05,322 fugate will live, where she will work, 790 00:45:05,532 --> 00:45:07,162 or if she's even here yet. 791 00:45:07,362 --> 00:45:09,332 Soon, everyone will know. 792 00:45:09,532 --> 00:45:12,002 We now have that report about caril Ann fugate. 793 00:45:12,202 --> 00:45:14,502 Miss fugate and Charles starkweather were convicted of a 794 00:45:14,702 --> 00:45:17,002 series of brutal murders some years ago. 795 00:45:17,202 --> 00:45:19,512 The two of them went on a killing spree in Nebraska and 796 00:45:19,712 --> 00:45:20,262 Wyoming. 797 00:45:20,462 --> 00:45:23,842 [Man vo] Miss fugate has always said she's innocent. 798 00:45:24,042 --> 00:45:26,512 With us live at our Lincoln bureau is Eugene masters, 799 00:45:26,712 --> 00:45:29,028 the assistant chief of police in Lincoln at the time of the 800 00:45:29,052 --> 00:45:30,352 starkweather killing spree. 801 00:45:30,552 --> 00:45:31,832 And you're still convinced, then, 802 00:45:31,882 --> 00:45:34,022 that she went as a willing accomplice? 803 00:45:34,222 --> 00:45:35,862 I know that she did. 804 00:45:36,062 --> 00:45:39,692 We'd have been tickled to death to give her a lie detector test. 805 00:45:39,892 --> 00:45:42,982 [Ward vo] Caril thought she was done with the past. 806 00:45:44,482 --> 00:45:47,702 But the past was not done with her. 807 00:45:47,902 --> 00:45:51,662 Dramatic music 808 00:45:53,162 --> 00:45:58,172 tender ethereal music 62897

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