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Yeah.
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We were told that,
you'll never make it from Liverpool.
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You'll never make it.
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Of course, that just
strengthened our resolve.
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"We'll show you, mate."
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You know?
‐ Yeah.
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‐ We thought we were different.
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‐ Yeah.
‐ We knew we were different.
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And then that, um...
found its way into the music.
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Lovely Rita playing
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‐ Ah
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Lovely Rita, meter maid
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Lovely Rita, meter maid
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Lovely Rita, meter maid
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Nothing can come between us
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When it gets dark
I tow your heart away
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Standing by a parking meter
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When I caught a glimpse of Rita
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Filling in a ticket
in her little white book
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In a cap she looked much older
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And the bag across her shoulder
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Made her look a little
like a military man
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Paul humming music
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- Hm.
- It's just so interesting.
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The choices
you're making in the playing.
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I think the bass is really straight.
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‐ Pretty straight, yeah.
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I come in and ruin it.
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‐ Good thing you wrote it.
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‐ Lovely Rita, meter maid
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Where would I be without you?
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Give us a wink
and make me think of you
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Lovely Rita meter maid
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Lovely Rita meter maid
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‐ It feels almost like
the bass is doing
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like what an orchestra
would do, you know.
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It's adding all
of the other counterpoint...
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‐ Yeah.
‐ ...and extra rhythm.
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‐ But then when the vocal comes in,
I get out the way.
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But then I come back,
I'm too tempted‐‐
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Yeah, yeah.
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‐ But, uh, I like
doing that, you know.
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‐ You started
as a guitar player though.
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‐ Yeah, me and John were
the guitar players. Yeah.
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I used to think I could be lead guitar.
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‐ Yeah.
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‐ Because at home, I could,
I could play nice little songs.
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But I got terrible stage fright
at a place in Liverpool
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um, called Broadway,
funnily enough.
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Oh, it just came my time
to play the solo
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and I, aah,
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I, like, froze, you know,
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sticky fingers
and nothing would work.
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And after that, I thought,
right, no more lead.
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That's it, you know, we'll give that
to somebody else.
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‐ Wow.
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‐ But yeah, I did start on guitar,
originally acoustic,
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and then, uh,
when we went to Hamburg,
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I bought a little electric guitar,
very cheap.
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But it looked good.
‐ Yeah.
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‐ Looked kind of rock and roll.
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Kind of red thing,
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Rosetti Lucky 7.
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But it was terrible.
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But I could‐‐ you know, it worked
until we got to Hamburg
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and then it fell apart.
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So then I would, I was turning
my back on the audience
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and playing piano.
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But it was good. Good practice.
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For a bass player, we had Stuart,
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who was a friend of John's
from art school,
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but he ended up wanting
to stay in Hamburg
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because he fell in love.
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So then it was a question of me,
John, or George becoming the bass player,
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and the two of them said,
well, I'm not doing it.
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So it was‐‐ I was left.
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‐ Were you already writing songs
at this point or not really?
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‐ Yeah. Yeah.
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‐ Even from the Hamburg days?
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‐ Before.
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‐ Really?
‐ Yeah.
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I wrote, um,
my first one when I was like 14.
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‐ Wow.
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‐ And that was just a little,
little guitar thing.
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Uh, do you want me to show you?
‐ Yes.
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‐ Okay.
‐ Let's go.
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‐ I will find a guitar.
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Yeah, I liked the idea
that the baseline would go up.
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Then I wanted this to come down.
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So you get that little thing.
That was the big thing for me.
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‐ Yeah.
‐ So it was just‐‐
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I woke up late this morning
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My head was in a whirl
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Only then I realized
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I lost my little girl
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Her clothes were not expensive
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Her hair didn't always curl
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Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah
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But it is interesting,
the first song I should write
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has got a little
contra vocal thing going.
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‐ Absolutely.
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‐ I'm fingering down on that‐‐
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‐ Two parts going on
at the same time right out of the box.
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‐ Yeah.
‐ Unusual for a young kid.
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‐ Yeah. You know,
and it's a funny thing
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as you get older, you think,
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well, how did I know that?
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‐ Yes.
‐ And I, I haven't got an answer.
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Vocalizing
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When John and I had got together
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and I told him about
that little song that I'd written,
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and I'd written a couple of others.
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And he said, so have I.
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And that was,
that was the big difference.
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I talked to other people,
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and they sort of said,
"Well, what do you do?"
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I said, "Oh, I've got a hobby,
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I kind of, I've written
a couple of songs."
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And most people would just
ignore that and go,
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"Oh okay, you know, what sports
do you like," and move on.
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But, uh, when I said that to John,
he said, "Yeah, so have I."
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I said, "Oh yeah, great.
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"Well, let me see yours,
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I'll show you mine,"
kind of thing, you know.
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And that was it.
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We, we started writing together
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with that in mind, you know.
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This Boy playing
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‐ That boy
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‐ You know, we were trying
to make money.
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We were kind of guys,
none of us was rich,
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so we would play pubs and ballrooms.
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The Aintree Institute
would have, like, a dance.
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Hmm.
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But when we'd got
Brian Epstein as our manager,
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Brian said, you could play cabaret clubs,
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but you'll have to smarten up.
‐ Hm.
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‐ Because we were a bit rock and roll.
‐ Yeah.
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‐ He says you'll have
to sort of smarten up,
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and you'll have to do
your more sort of ballady songs.
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It can't just be
a straight rock and roll set.
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‐ Mm‐hmm.
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‐ But you could see this
at a cabaret club.
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‐ Yeah, for sure.
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‐ You know, ladies and gentlemen,
presenting the Beatles.
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Lights go down, little spots come up.
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‐ Back again
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‐ Let's see.
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‐ And then we get John's‐‐
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Oh, and this boy
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No music.
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‐ Would be happy
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Just to love you
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But oh my
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That boy
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Won't be happy
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Till he's seen you cry
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This boy
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‐ That was beautiful.
‐ Yeah.
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‐ Wouldn't mind the pain
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‐ You know, we wanted to, um,
show different sides of ourselves.
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We could've just been
one guy sings the vocal
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and we'll back him up.
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But we kept wanting
to stretch it a little bit.
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So this whole song is just
a three‐part harmony thing.
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‐ This boy
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This boy
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‐ Those were exciting things
to do, you know,
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to, to branch out like that.
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Then we wanted to add
these other layers,
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which as the Beatles went on,
we added more and more.
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Something playing
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Something in the way she moves
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Attracts me like no other lover
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Something in the way she woos me
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I don't want to leave her now
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You know I believe and how
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Somewhere in her smile she knows
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‐ What is going on with the bass?
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Like, it's the greatest thing
I've ever heard.
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‐ Oh.
‐ How did this happen?
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‐ I mean‐‐
‐ How does this exist?
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‐ It's very tempting when you're
on the bass to sort of go‐‐
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And I probably started simple.
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Yeah.
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‐ And then you might find that the bit
we were kind of liking,
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it's a nice little melody.
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‐ You're asking me
will my love grow
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‐ It's doing so much work
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that really is
in the service of the record.
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‐ It's pretty adventurous, you know.
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‐ Did you have that
all worked out before the‐‐
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‐ No.
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‐ So tell me what happens
the day of this recording.
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What happens?
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‐ Um... George comes in,
shows us the song.
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That would just be with a guitar
and all just 'round,
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a couple of chairs
'round a little circle.
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It was all fairly instant.
‐ Yeah.
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‐ You know, it's just
we've got to do this song.
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We've got to do it.
Let's just try it every which way,
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until we settle on,
oh yeah, this feels good.
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‐ It's the interaction.
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‐ Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Song ends
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‐ Classic George song.
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Alright.
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‐ Do you remember after finishing
the song, thinking‐‐
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‐ It's a good one.
‐ Did you feel that?
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‐ Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I think you know the good songs.
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‐ Yeah. Yeah.
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Would it be whoever wrote the song
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would sort of have the vision
for the project for that?
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‐ Normally was, yeah.
And then I'd butt in.
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And they'd hate me for it.
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I'd go, "But it's a good idea, boys."
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‐ If you had a good idea, it's like‐‐
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‐ Mm‐hmm.
‐ Got to get 'em in.
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‐ Yeah.
‐ Got to get them in.
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‐ I mean, it was kind of
an awkward thing, you know,
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that if you had a good idea for something,
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you'd say it.
‐ Yeah.
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‐ But often the other guy would
sort of say, well, you play it.
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‐ Yeah.
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‐ You know, there was
there was a lot of freedom.
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‐ Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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‐ So we did that a lot.
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Like, I think I talked to George
a lot about the solo on Taxman.
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And I think that's what happened.
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He said, "Well, you play it."
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‐ Taxman
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No wonder George said you do it.
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‐ But what was the insp‐‐
Like, what were you‐‐
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‐ I don't know, just free, free.
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I mean, and a little bit
of Indian in there, too.
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‐ Yeah.
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‐ I wouldn't have thought about it
or written it or anything.
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It would just be like, oh, it's,
the track's so cooking...
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Yeah.
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‐ ...that if we're going to have a solo,
it should be just ridiculous.
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‐ Amazing.
‐ You know.
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‐ Yeah, I'm the Taxman
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Nice bass lick as well.
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‐ If you drive a car,
I'll tax the street
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If you try to sit,
I'll tax your seat
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If you get too cold,
I'll tax the heat
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If you take a walk,
I'll tax your feet
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‐ It was funny because it was like
a double‐edged sword.
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People sort of saying,
well, couldn't you just play straighter,
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you know, and I'm going,
I don't know.
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I think it lends something
doing all this.
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I did get sort of reprimanded
once or twice,
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for just being too busy.
‐ Yeah.
255
00:13:07,746 --> 00:13:11,496
‐ But you know, by that time
I'd heard James Jamerson.
256
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Singing "What's Going On"
257
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‐ He was great.
258
00:13:42,909 --> 00:13:46,326
He had melodic baselines,
and I love that.
259
00:13:46,702 --> 00:13:50,209
It kind of opened my eyes to it.
It was like, oh yeah, wow.
260
00:13:50,210 --> 00:13:53,165
‐ Yeah.
‐ You can groove, make it move, you know.
261
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Because originally, the bass player
262
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in the groups in Liverpool,
it was the fat guy.
263
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And he would just stand
at the back‐‐
264
00:14:06,889 --> 00:14:09,389
And the guitar player...
265
00:14:09,391 --> 00:14:10,981
He had all the fancy stuff.
266
00:14:11,435 --> 00:14:13,975
But later, when I heard people
like James Jamerson,
267
00:14:14,646 --> 00:14:16,476
I realized, wow, you can,
268
00:14:17,441 --> 00:14:20,151
you can really do
a big thing with a bass.
269
00:14:20,152 --> 00:14:22,778
You can actually control
the band with the bass.
270
00:14:22,779 --> 00:14:23,699
‐ It's interesting.
271
00:14:23,700 --> 00:14:27,487
And it's, it's in some ways,
is why we're having this conversation is
272
00:14:28,452 --> 00:14:30,542
the fascination
with how important the bass is
273
00:14:30,543 --> 00:14:32,617
in the context of these songs.
274
00:14:32,623 --> 00:14:34,629
And the songs are so ubiquitous
in our culture
275
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that we don't really think
of them in pieces.
276
00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:37,670
‐ Hm.
‐ Do you know what I mean?
277
00:14:37,671 --> 00:14:40,129
We just think of them as that song.
278
00:14:40,130 --> 00:14:41,260
‐ That song, yeah.
‐ You know. Yeah, yeah.
279
00:14:41,261 --> 00:14:44,086
‐ It really happened
quite organically in the studio.
280
00:14:44,593 --> 00:14:48,471
Um... you know,
my famous occasion
281
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with bass radically altering
282
00:14:51,725 --> 00:14:56,185
the whole attitude of the song
was when John came in‐‐
283
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Here come old flat‐top
284
00:15:01,777 --> 00:15:03,817
He come groovin' up slowly
285
00:15:03,820 --> 00:15:05,905
He got joo joo eyeball
286
00:15:05,906 --> 00:15:08,776
He one holy roller, he got‐‐
287
00:15:08,784 --> 00:15:10,954
I said, uh, uh, uh, uh,
wait a minute, wait a minute,
288
00:15:11,453 --> 00:15:12,873
that's a Chuck Berry song.
289
00:15:13,372 --> 00:15:14,872
That's a Chuck Berry song,
290
00:15:14,873 --> 00:15:16,583
which is called You Can't Catch Me.
291
00:15:17,334 --> 00:15:18,844
Which not only is like that‐‐
292
00:15:20,337 --> 00:15:21,797
Yeah, come on
293
00:15:22,589 --> 00:15:25,379
The opening line is,
"Here come old flat‐top."
294
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‐ Here come old flat‐top
295
00:15:27,469 --> 00:15:29,139
He was moving up with me
296
00:15:29,140 --> 00:15:30,927
Then come waving goodbye
297
00:15:30,931 --> 00:15:32,771
In a little old souped‐up jitney
298
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I put my foot in my tank
299
00:15:34,810 --> 00:15:36,940
And I began to roll
300
00:15:37,563 --> 00:15:40,815
Moaning siren,
'twas a state patrol
301
00:15:40,816 --> 00:15:42,816
So I let out my wings
302
00:15:42,818 --> 00:15:44,988
And then I blew my horn
303
00:15:45,487 --> 00:15:48,527
Bye‐bye New Jersey,
I've become airborne
304
00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:50,869
It actually is the Chuck Berry song.
305
00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:53,788
‐ It actually is the Chuck Berry song,
so I said, "Oh man,"
306
00:15:53,789 --> 00:15:56,827
I said, you know, "Look,
it's a great song. I love it."
307
00:15:56,832 --> 00:15:59,672
I said, "But we got to do something
to get away from that."
308
00:16:00,169 --> 00:16:02,545
So I just suggested we slowed it down.
309
00:16:02,546 --> 00:16:03,506
So instead of the‐‐
310
00:16:03,507 --> 00:16:05,755
up‐tempo music playing
311
00:16:05,757 --> 00:16:09,385
We go...
312
00:16:09,386 --> 00:16:13,926
Come Together playing
313
00:16:16,143 --> 00:16:20,813
Which now gave it a kind of
real nice swampy back and forth.
314
00:16:20,814 --> 00:16:23,482
Here come old flat top he got
315
00:16:23,483 --> 00:16:25,613
And it changed his attitude to it.
316
00:16:26,028 --> 00:16:30,698
Come Together playing
317
00:16:30,699 --> 00:16:32,408
‐ I just want to hear the vocals,
318
00:16:32,409 --> 00:16:34,999
just to understand where it's...
the writing style.
319
00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,785
Here come old flat top
320
00:16:36,788 --> 00:16:39,707
He come grooving up slowly
321
00:16:39,708 --> 00:16:42,668
He got joo joo eyeball
322
00:16:42,669 --> 00:16:45,629
He one holy roller
323
00:16:45,631 --> 00:16:48,841
He got hair down
324
00:16:49,218 --> 00:16:51,088
To his knee
325
00:16:52,179 --> 00:16:56,889
Got to be a joker
he just do what he please
326
00:17:00,020 --> 00:17:01,150
‐ The signature of the song.
327
00:17:04,608 --> 00:17:05,608
‐ Ringo.
328
00:17:09,154 --> 00:17:11,594
‐ It's just the bass and the drums.
‐ It's a groove, isn't it?
329
00:17:18,705 --> 00:17:20,415
‐ ...Ono sideboard
330
00:17:20,999 --> 00:17:22,959
spinal cracker
331
00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,040
He got‐‐
332
00:17:24,044 --> 00:17:25,127
Yeah.
333
00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:34,507
‐ ...in his armchair
you can feel his disease
334
00:17:34,513 --> 00:17:36,223
Come together
335
00:17:37,432 --> 00:17:38,932
Right now
336
00:17:43,522 --> 00:17:44,692
That's it.
337
00:17:45,232 --> 00:17:47,032
I'm playing that piano.
338
00:17:56,034 --> 00:17:57,034
Guitars.
339
00:18:02,374 --> 00:18:03,924
That's John and George.
340
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,880
- Together?
- Both. No, that's George.
341
00:18:10,424 --> 00:18:11,883
‐ John's probably playing the rhythm.
342
00:18:11,884 --> 00:18:13,684
‐ Yeah, John's playing
the rhythm, yeah.
343
00:18:24,396 --> 00:18:25,396
‐ Yeah
344
00:18:27,649 --> 00:18:29,069
Come together
345
00:18:35,657 --> 00:18:37,157
‐ Bass sounds incredible.
‐ Yeah.
346
00:18:39,536 --> 00:18:40,996
‐ Really rockin'.
347
00:18:47,085 --> 00:18:49,835
‐ And we sort of knew
we'd got something funky.
348
00:18:49,838 --> 00:18:51,468
‐ Yeah.
‐ And that was always the aim.
349
00:18:51,469 --> 00:18:54,884
Like, if you could take whatever
the little song was you had
350
00:18:54,885 --> 00:18:58,135
and just put that little
extra something on it.
351
00:18:58,138 --> 00:19:00,808
‐ Did it feel like it happened
most of the time?
352
00:19:01,683 --> 00:19:02,975
‐ Yeah.
‐ It seems like it.
353
00:19:02,976 --> 00:19:04,726
Lis‐listening to the records,
it sounds like that.
354
00:19:04,728 --> 00:19:05,848
‐ I know. Yeah.
355
00:19:06,396 --> 00:19:10,896
I mean, for me, I've grown
to be a fan of the Beatles.
356
00:19:10,901 --> 00:19:13,201
‐ Yeah. Yeah.
‐ Because then I was just a Beatle.
357
00:19:13,612 --> 00:19:17,657
But now that the Beatles' volume
of work is finished...
358
00:19:17,658 --> 00:19:18,908
‐ Yes.
359
00:19:18,909 --> 00:19:20,578
‐ I, I listen back to it,
360
00:19:20,579 --> 00:19:24,407
and, you know, like that
you just think, what was that bassline?
361
00:19:24,831 --> 00:19:27,124
Now this is good
because I actually, now I know‐‐
362
00:19:27,125 --> 00:19:29,375
‐ Now you understand how it works.
‐ Now I know what I played, yeah.
363
00:19:29,378 --> 00:19:30,418
‐ Yeah, yeah.
364
00:19:33,632 --> 00:19:36,761
You talked a little bit about becoming
a fan of the Beatles again.
365
00:19:36,762 --> 00:19:38,850
‐ Yeah.
‐ So tell me first about,
366
00:19:38,851 --> 00:19:40,256
Beatles break up.
367
00:19:40,264 --> 00:19:41,934
‐ Mm.
‐ In that moment,
368
00:19:42,307 --> 00:19:45,637
what's your feeling
about your last ten years of music?
369
00:19:46,270 --> 00:19:48,688
‐ I knew we'd done
something great.
370
00:19:48,689 --> 00:19:51,729
‐ Yes.
‐ We'd had a lot of fun in the studio,
371
00:19:51,733 --> 00:19:54,321
and I was sad to see it break up.
‐ Yeah.
372
00:19:54,322 --> 00:19:56,319
‐ I thought I'd be
in this band forever.
373
00:19:56,321 --> 00:19:57,571
‐ Hm.
374
00:19:57,573 --> 00:19:58,993
‐ But various things were happening.
375
00:19:58,994 --> 00:20:01,031
There was a lot
of heavy business stuff
376
00:20:01,034 --> 00:20:03,414
that had,
that had influenced decisions.
377
00:20:03,415 --> 00:20:05,705
‐ Mm‐hmm.
‐ So we, we split up,
378
00:20:05,706 --> 00:20:09,786
and, uh, I was heartbroken, really.
379
00:20:10,669 --> 00:20:12,919
And I kind of disappeared
off the face of the Earth.
380
00:20:12,921 --> 00:20:15,551
I went up to a farm in Scotland
381
00:20:15,924 --> 00:20:20,386
and just became a sort of
hippie farmer, which was great.
382
00:20:20,387 --> 00:20:22,717
‐ Motorcars
383
00:20:22,723 --> 00:20:24,557
Handlebars
384
00:20:24,558 --> 00:20:27,438
Bicycles for two
385
00:20:28,562 --> 00:20:33,232
Broken‐hearted jubilee
386
00:20:37,404 --> 00:20:40,324
When you've been
a musician all that time,
387
00:20:41,033 --> 00:20:46,333
the idea of just not doing it
was a bit sad.
388
00:20:47,581 --> 00:20:49,874
I just wanted to keep going with music.
389
00:20:49,875 --> 00:20:50,535
‐ Yeah.
390
00:20:50,542 --> 00:20:52,882
‐ You know, it was
a very difficult thing to shake off
391
00:20:53,253 --> 00:20:56,172
if you're this invested
like you and I are.
392
00:20:56,173 --> 00:20:56,923
‐ Yeah.
393
00:20:56,924 --> 00:20:58,684
‐ You just can't sort of say,
oh, I'll do it tomorrow.
394
00:20:58,685 --> 00:21:00,585
‐ Can't imagine it. Can't imagine.
395
00:21:00,594 --> 00:21:05,848
‐ So I just went right back
to basics, and it wasn't easy.
396
00:21:08,352 --> 00:21:11,942
‐ Da, da, ya, da, da, da
da, da, da
397
00:21:12,397 --> 00:21:13,727
‐ Never finished the lyrics.
398
00:21:15,192 --> 00:21:16,612
‐ No, this is jazz.
399
00:21:19,446 --> 00:21:22,196
I had some recording equipment at home.
400
00:21:22,533 --> 00:21:26,203
I had an amp, guitar, piano,
a little drum set.
401
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:30,120
So I just thought, well,
I'll just record some stuff, you know.
402
00:21:30,123 --> 00:21:33,002
‐ And literally yourself,
meaning not even an engineer.
403
00:21:33,003 --> 00:21:35,211
Nobody was there except you.
‐ No. Nobody.
404
00:21:35,212 --> 00:21:39,132
‐ ...the junk in the yard
405
00:21:40,050 --> 00:21:44,970
Da, da, ya, da, da, da
da, da, da
406
00:21:46,348 --> 00:21:47,348
‐ Wow.
407
00:21:53,605 --> 00:21:56,565
Song ends
408
00:21:56,567 --> 00:21:58,107
Beautiful.
409
00:21:58,110 --> 00:22:01,195
This was the first album
that you made in this way.
410
00:22:01,196 --> 00:22:02,655
Everything at home, all by yourself.
411
00:22:02,656 --> 00:22:03,406
‐ Yeah.
412
00:22:03,407 --> 00:22:05,077
I mean, once you do
something like this,
413
00:22:05,078 --> 00:22:07,195
it's a nice little home project.
414
00:22:07,202 --> 00:22:08,082
‐ Yeah.
415
00:22:08,083 --> 00:22:11,205
‐ It's like, you know,
if you've built a table,
416
00:22:11,206 --> 00:22:13,916
you've got some time off,
I'll build a chair, something.
417
00:22:13,917 --> 00:22:18,207
You know, it's just that good feeling
you're doing something for yourself.
418
00:22:18,213 --> 00:22:19,013
‐ Yeah.
419
00:22:19,014 --> 00:22:21,924
‐ But then, you know,
you've suddenly got
420
00:22:21,925 --> 00:22:23,675
enough tracks for an album.
421
00:22:23,677 --> 00:22:28,467
Maybe I'm Amazed playing
422
00:22:46,533 --> 00:22:51,293
Baby, I'm amazed at the way
you love me all the time
423
00:22:52,706 --> 00:22:56,336
Maybe I'm afraid
of the way I love you
424
00:22:59,004 --> 00:23:03,474
Maybe I'm amazed at the way
you pulled me out of time
425
00:23:04,218 --> 00:23:06,428
You hung me on a line
426
00:23:07,554 --> 00:23:11,734
Maybe I'm amazed at the way
I really need you
427
00:23:14,394 --> 00:23:17,688
Baby, I'm a man,
maybe I'm a lonely man
428
00:23:17,689 --> 00:23:20,069
Who's in the middle of something
429
00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:23,532
That he doesn't really understand
430
00:23:26,490 --> 00:23:29,825
Baby, I'm a man and maybe
you're the only woman
431
00:23:29,826 --> 00:23:31,996
Who could ever help me
432
00:23:32,454 --> 00:23:35,790
Baby, won't you help me to understand?
433
00:23:35,791 --> 00:23:36,791
Ooh‐ooh
434
00:23:36,792 --> 00:23:38,292
Once you've been to the top,
435
00:23:38,293 --> 00:23:39,883
going back down
to the bottom of the ladder,
436
00:23:39,884 --> 00:23:43,798
and clawing your way back up,
is, uh, is a bit of a number.
437
00:23:44,299 --> 00:23:46,299
But I had Linda by my side,
438
00:23:46,301 --> 00:23:48,101
and she'd helped me through that period.
439
00:23:48,762 --> 00:23:50,852
She was very, a great strength.
440
00:23:53,851 --> 00:23:56,730
‐ Baby, I'm amazed at the way
you helped me...
441
00:23:56,731 --> 00:23:57,978
‐ Bringing the energy.
442
00:23:59,147 --> 00:24:01,107
‐ You right me when I'm wrong
443
00:24:01,108 --> 00:24:03,528
‐ I wonder if that's tucked in there,
I never heard that before.
444
00:24:03,529 --> 00:24:05,147
‐ No.
‐ No, you left it out?
445
00:24:05,153 --> 00:24:06,445
‐ I don't know.
446
00:24:06,446 --> 00:24:07,946
It might be this.
‐ Yeah, it might be‐‐
447
00:24:07,948 --> 00:24:09,908
‐ Sounds like I mixed it out.
I can't remember.
448
00:24:10,534 --> 00:24:11,704
‐ Oh
449
00:24:11,994 --> 00:24:15,794
Ooh‐ooh‐ooh
450
00:24:16,498 --> 00:24:17,998
Yeah‐yeah, yeah
451
00:24:21,253 --> 00:24:22,253
‐ That got it.
452
00:24:22,254 --> 00:24:23,264
‐ Oh
453
00:24:27,968 --> 00:24:29,844
Yeah‐yeah, yeah
454
00:24:35,601 --> 00:24:39,441
‐ That's when the audience applauds,
you go, wait for it, wait for it.
455
00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:44,230
‐ Maybe I'm amazed at the way
you love me all the time
456
00:24:46,069 --> 00:24:49,449
And maybe I'm afraid
of the way I love you
457
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:52,950
‐ I'd seen something
that made me think,
458
00:24:52,951 --> 00:24:54,871
oh, John's got a new record out,
459
00:24:54,872 --> 00:24:56,790
and it's called Lennon.
460
00:24:57,372 --> 00:24:59,082
I thought, wow, that's great.
461
00:24:59,458 --> 00:25:01,748
Oh boy. I missed that boat.
462
00:25:01,752 --> 00:25:02,712
‐ Yeah.
‐ You know.
463
00:25:02,713 --> 00:25:04,840
And it turned out not to be so.
‐ Wow.
464
00:25:04,841 --> 00:25:07,256
‐ So I said, well,
that's a great idea though.
465
00:25:07,257 --> 00:25:08,587
‐ Yeah.
‐ You just call it your surname.
466
00:25:08,592 --> 00:25:10,432
‐ Yes.
‐ So I said, I'll have that.
467
00:25:10,886 --> 00:25:13,256
So I just named my first record McCartney.
468
00:25:13,847 --> 00:25:16,977
‐ That he doesn't really understand
469
00:25:20,020 --> 00:25:22,146
Baby, I'm a man...
‐ Whoa.
470
00:25:22,147 --> 00:25:25,527
‐ You're the only woman
who could ever help me
471
00:25:25,984 --> 00:25:29,487
Baby, won't you help me to understand?
472
00:25:29,488 --> 00:25:33,198
Ooh
473
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,660
‐ You were feeling good that day.
474
00:25:43,794 --> 00:25:46,264
When was the moment
when it switched from,
475
00:25:46,797 --> 00:25:48,297
okay, the old band broke up,
476
00:25:48,298 --> 00:25:50,378
there's some bad feelings,
business stuff,
477
00:25:50,384 --> 00:25:51,724
and now I'm moving on.
478
00:25:51,725 --> 00:25:55,096
I'm starting at the bottom
myself, over again.
479
00:25:55,097 --> 00:25:58,474
When could you look back
and realize,
480
00:25:58,475 --> 00:26:02,895
oh, what we did back then
was really good and special?
481
00:26:02,896 --> 00:26:06,065
‐ I think once I'd got over the fact
482
00:26:06,066 --> 00:26:07,436
that the Beatles had broken up.
483
00:26:08,068 --> 00:26:13,614
Um, once I could allow myself to do
a Beatles song in, in our show.
484
00:26:13,615 --> 00:26:15,865
‐ Would that have been five years
or ten years or‐‐
485
00:26:15,868 --> 00:26:18,198
‐ No, I think it was,
it was a few years.
486
00:26:18,203 --> 00:26:20,788
I wanted a whole new thing.
‐ Yes.
487
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:23,329
‐ Whole new sound, new songs.
‐ Yeah.
488
00:26:23,917 --> 00:26:26,377
‐ So once we'd got that...
‐ Yes.
489
00:26:26,378 --> 00:26:29,298
‐ I felt vindicated and I thought, okay,
490
00:26:30,215 --> 00:26:33,675
now, why don't‐‐ I can,
I can now safely put a Beatles song in.
491
00:26:33,677 --> 00:26:37,467
‐ Yes.
‐ And, uh, then you started to think,
492
00:26:38,182 --> 00:26:39,851
ooh, what about that one?
493
00:26:39,852 --> 00:26:42,440
And I never would do a John song.
‐ Hmm.
494
00:26:42,441 --> 00:26:46,726
‐ Because I would just only go
to songs that I'd instigated.
495
00:26:46,732 --> 00:26:47,940
‐ Yeah.
‐ Um‐‐
496
00:26:47,941 --> 00:26:49,859
But after a while, I got
so comfortable with it,
497
00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:51,400
I thought, yeah,
I'll do a John song.
498
00:26:51,403 --> 00:26:52,490
I love that song.
499
00:26:52,491 --> 00:26:54,655
‐ I want to read to you one little thing.
500
00:26:54,656 --> 00:26:55,366
‐ Yeah.
501
00:26:55,367 --> 00:26:57,945
‐ It says, "Paul is one of
the most innovative bass players
502
00:26:57,951 --> 00:27:00,870
"that ever played bass, and half
of the stuff that's going on now
503
00:27:00,871 --> 00:27:03,459
"is directly ripped off
from his Beatle period.
504
00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:06,287
"He has always been a bit coy
about his bass playing,
505
00:27:06,293 --> 00:27:08,173
but he's a great, great musician."
506
00:27:09,296 --> 00:27:11,166
‐ Did I write that?
‐ That is John Lennon.
507
00:27:11,173 --> 00:27:12,340
‐ That's John?
‐ Yeah.
508
00:27:12,341 --> 00:27:13,341
‐ Alright.
509
00:27:13,342 --> 00:27:14,762
Come on, Johnny.
510
00:27:15,219 --> 00:27:16,259
‐ Yeah.
‐ That's beautiful.
511
00:27:16,261 --> 00:27:17,511
I hadn't‐‐ I hadn't heard that before.
512
00:27:17,513 --> 00:27:19,560
‐ It's interesting
considering obviously,
513
00:27:19,561 --> 00:27:23,016
you're two leaders of something,
and just competitive situation.
514
00:27:23,018 --> 00:27:24,388
‐ Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
‐ So to hear that.
515
00:27:24,394 --> 00:27:26,441
‐ He'd never said that to me.
‐ Yeah.
516
00:27:26,442 --> 00:27:29,188
‐ So, but it's nice to hear
that he said it to someone.
517
00:27:29,650 --> 00:27:30,730
That's amazing.
518
00:27:31,818 --> 00:27:34,858
Helter Skelter playing
519
00:27:34,863 --> 00:27:38,413
‐ When I get to the bottom,
I go back to the top of the slide
520
00:27:38,414 --> 00:27:41,494
Where I stop, and I turn,
and I go for a ride
521
00:27:41,495 --> 00:27:46,035
'Til I get to the bottom,
and I see you again!
522
00:27:46,041 --> 00:27:48,211
Yeah, yeah, yeah!
523
00:27:49,545 --> 00:27:52,505
Well, do you, don't you
want me to love you?
524
00:27:55,259 --> 00:27:58,469
I'm coming down fast,
but I'm miles above you
525
00:28:01,098 --> 00:28:03,307
Tell me, tell me, tell me
526
00:28:03,308 --> 00:28:05,848
Come on, tell me the answer!
527
00:28:06,562 --> 00:28:11,022
Well, you may be a lover,
but you ain't no dancer
528
00:28:12,192 --> 00:28:13,862
Come on!
Helter skelter
529
00:28:15,445 --> 00:28:17,155
Helter skelter
530
00:28:18,323 --> 00:28:19,953
Helter skelter
531
00:28:21,159 --> 00:28:22,159
Yeah
532
00:28:29,501 --> 00:28:32,711
Oh, will you, won't you
want me to make you?
533
00:28:35,424 --> 00:28:38,434
I'm coming down fast,
but don't let me break you
534
00:28:41,221 --> 00:28:43,931
Tell me, tell me,
tell me the answer!
535
00:28:43,932 --> 00:28:46,892
You may be a lover,
but you ain't no dancer
536
00:28:48,604 --> 00:28:49,687
Look out!
537
00:28:49,688 --> 00:28:51,228
Helter skelter
538
00:28:52,649 --> 00:28:54,149
Helter skelter
539
00:28:55,485 --> 00:28:57,025
Helter skelter
540
00:28:58,780 --> 00:28:59,870
Ooh
541
00:29:01,825 --> 00:29:02,945
Look out!
542
00:29:03,577 --> 00:29:05,286
'Cause here she comes
543
00:29:18,008 --> 00:29:21,638
When I get to the bottom,
I go back to the top of the slide
544
00:29:21,639 --> 00:29:24,555
And I stop, and I turn,
and I go for a ride
545
00:29:24,556 --> 00:29:29,016
And I get to the bottom,
and I see you again!
546
00:29:29,019 --> 00:29:31,019
Yeah, yeah, yeah!
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