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A cold case is a term
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that I don't really like
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because it brings
the connotation that nobody
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is paying attention to it,
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which just isn't true.
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It's an unsolved case.
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I recall getting
the old VHS tape
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out of evidence.
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What really stuck out
to me in the Krashoc case...
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...was actually watching
that on the screen...
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...You see
the snow-covered mountains
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in the background.
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There's snow
in the parking lot.
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There's a dumpster
just next to the building.
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And then right beside
the dumpster,
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there's the body.
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I remember Darlene's hair
moving in the breeze
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with her naked body laying out
in a parking lot
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with a bunch of snow.
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For me,
that's when the brutality hit.
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The way she was treated
and killed,
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you knew you had
a monster on your hand.
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I was a homicide detective
with CSPD for nine years,
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and the last three years,
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it was strictly assigned
to cold cases.
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I recall getting
the Krashoc case
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September of 2016.
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We knew it was different
than the other case
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we had seen before.
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Darlene Krashoc's case file
was significant in its length.
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The pages were
in the thousands easily.
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An immense amount
of work had gone
into that case
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with phenomenal amounts
of physical evidence.
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It never ended for 32 years.
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Cases that
either Lieutenant Kenda
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touched as a supervisor
or as a detective
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30 years later,
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looking through
this case file,
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Jim Isham and I knew
that there was no stone
left unturned.
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The man is, uh,
you know, a giant.
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I worked
in my father's business
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when I got out of college
and I wound up hating it.
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And I said I wanna be
a policeman.
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So I applied
to several departments
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and Colorado Springs was
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the first one
that made an offer.
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My wife, Cathy, and I,
we took Horace Greely's advice
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and we went west.
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And it was wonderful.
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So I was very busy
being a policeman.
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I didn't like it, I loved it.
I would've done it for free.
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It's always been
my greatest concern about
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my career that I did not solve
8% of my cases,
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of my 387 cases.
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Victims who never
got justice in court.
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But the only case that has
no statute of limitations
is homicide.
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The most important part
of homicide investigation
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is to never, ever give up.
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That early morning
was about 5:20 in the morning.
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We're probably about almost
an hour away from
our shift being over.
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It was a bitter,
bitter cold day.
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I had made
the decision,
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"Let's check some
of the local bars,
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make sure we don't have any,
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you know, body passed out
in their cars
in this freezing weather."
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So we turn to the back,
behind this establishment,
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and we both saw something
laying next to the dumpster
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behind one
of these businesses.
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Is that
a mannequin?
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And as we were closer,
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we saw that it was a female.
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That's a real person, uh,
and when you see that,
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it takes you back
for a minute.
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Of course, they showed
you horrific pictures of
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people that had been shot,
or stuff like that,
in training academy.
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But it's different when
you come across it yourself.
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I don't think
anyone's ready for that.
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And at that time,
dispatch probably woke
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every one of them up when
I came over the air and said,
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"We have a D.B.",
meaning a dead body.
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It's about 5:25
in the morning,
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and the phone rings.
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And it's
the PD Communications Center.
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So they had patrol officers
on the scene
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of a discovered body at
the rear of the Korean Club.
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In 1987, I'd been
in the police department
for 14 years.
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I was a sergeant in Homicide.
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It's completely
and totally unpredictable.
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There is no routine.
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Every case
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is absolutely unique.
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The CSPD Homicide unit,
they were the blue-ribbon,
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um,
homicide unit in my opinion.
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The sergeant on scene
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happened to be Joe Kenda,
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and I appreciated
his dedication.
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He really wanted
to do right by the victims.
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This is one
of the most violent crimes
I've ever seen.
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I've seen many things,
not many this extreme.
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What always sticks
with me in cases is
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the crime scene itself,
the appearance of the victim.
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The images of that never stop,
never go away.
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We talk about words like,
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uh, it was horrible
and it was terrifying,
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but you don't really
understand the meaning
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of that until you're
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knee-deep in
the human perversion
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that is rape and murder.
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The body was nude,
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other than her jeans were
on one of her ankles.
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A shoe was laying off
to the side.
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There was a diamond ring
on the ring finger
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of her left hand.
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Single stone, small.
But it has value.
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It isn't removed.
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This isn't robbery
that goes south somehow.
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So that eliminates one motive
almost immediately.
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Looking at her face,
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she has three coat hangers
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made into a bridle
you would see on a horse.
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My God.
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At the back of the head,
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these wires
are twisted together
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to form a handle where
someone can control
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the movement of her head.
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The wires cut into the joints
of her cheeks
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and into the flesh
of her face.
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It's very disturbing.
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Very disturbing.
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She had bite marks
on her body.
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One of the nipples
had been bitten off.
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I was really amazed
by the savagery
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committed by someone who has
all been reduced to a hyena.
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Incisor wounds from his teeth
into a dead body.
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Removal of a nipple
by biting it off.
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Savage crime.
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It wasn't a random, quick,
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impulsive action.
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Someone that had
a monster inside him
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had spent considerable time
torturing her.
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The body looked so cold
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and so alone.
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First off, you gotta
figure out who this victim is.
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In this particular case,
lo and behold,
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her driver's license
was laying on the ground
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next to the body.
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It turns out
that she's an active soldier.
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She, uh, belonged to a unit
out at Fort Carson.
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Colorado Springs in 1987
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was a military town.
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So we know that she's
Darlene Krashoc
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and she's 20 years old.
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She's active duty military.
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She's young,
has her whole life
in front of her,
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and somebody took it from her
in the worst possible way.
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But it puzzled me why
he would display the ID.
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It's as if he's taunting us.
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Here's who she is,
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but you don't know who I am,
do you?
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Charles Green is
our crime scene technician
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Technician Green was
a very competent guy.
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Charlie was a meticulous
evidence collector,
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photographer.
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He was so careful
and so attentive
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to every little detail.
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There was three cigarettes
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on the asphalt
next to the body.
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It made me wonder why
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they were so close
to the body.
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Is it an employee sneaking
outside for a smoke break,
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or is our perpetrator
admiring his work?
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So when we collected
this evidence,
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We did so with
the best possible methods.
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Rubber gloves, masks,
everything,
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in order to preserve it
for subsequent identification.
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We see tire tracks
right next to this body...
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...which indicates the body
transported to that location.
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There was no question
in my mind this crime
occurred somewhere else.
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Where did it occur?
We don't know.
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The question is who is
responsible for this death?
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Where is he now?
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He's a ghost.
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He's a puff of smoke.
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He's a shadow in the night.
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How am I gonna
figure this out?
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"After Sgt. Kenda arrived,
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closer examination was made
of the body.
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The body is that
of a White female
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laying partially on her back.
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There were
three cigarette butts
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located on the ground.
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These were each picked up
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and a sample of the soil
under the body."
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The evidence they collected
had been packaged,
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categorized just like
we would today,
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and what that does
is preserves that evidence.
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If we didn't have the evidence
that they collected in 1987,
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the case goes nowhere.
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So I'd leave
that crime scene area
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and I wanna go talk to
the people in the Korean Club.
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Could this have
occurred inside the bar
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and the victim dumped outside?
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That's one of our first things
to look at because
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of the location of the body.
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So we show
this ID photograph
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to all the employees.
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No one's ever seen her before.
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But the bartender does provide
one useful piece
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of information in terms of
timeline for our crime scene.
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He's able to say
he was the last person out.
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It was right around 2:00.
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He didn't notice anything.
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5:20 in the morning,
that's when the victim
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was first identified.
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That narrows our timeline
down to 3 hours and change.
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That's important.
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Darlene, where were you
for those 3 hours?
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And with whom?
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When we got to the morgue
and the body thawed,
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the violence became
even worse.
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The autopsy performed
on Darlene told us a lot.
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Not only was she beaten, uh,
she was sexually assaulted.
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She was sodomized.
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She strangled
on the wires around her neck.
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Fighting for air to breathe,
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unable to do so.
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That's what actually
killed her.
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You look at this
and you think,
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My...Who are
we looking for here?
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The cold temperatures can trap
liquid that comes
from a perpetrator.
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Seminal fluid
or other such things...
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...that's recoverable
when it melts
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and drains onto the table.
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So all those things
can be useful.
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Most homicides in
the United States occur
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between people
who know each other.
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So you have to find out
who Darlene Krashoc is
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before you can possibly
find out may wanted her dead.
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I answered
the door.
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It was a sergeant
from the Army.
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And he said, uh...
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...your daughter Darlene
has been killed.
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And I said, "Killed?"
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I said, "What happened?",
and he said, "A homicide."
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And I said, "A homicide?
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Somebody killed her?"
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At that point,
there was disbelief.
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They had it wrong. Um...
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There was no conflicts
going on, so...
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She shouldn't be dead.
She couldn't be dead.
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Quite honestly,
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I was a basket case.
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Nobody wants to see
their child go.
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And then it's like, "Why?
What happened?
255
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Course,
nobody had any answers.
256
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When reality really set in,
257
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your world just fell apart.
258
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My world fell apart.
259
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It left an empty hole
in the middle of you.
260
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Mr.
and Mrs. Krashoc come in
261
00:19:16,034 --> 00:19:18,275
to deal with the loss
of their child.
262
00:19:18,379 --> 00:19:20,482
Darlene was born in Baltimore,
Maryland.
263
00:19:23,448 --> 00:19:24,413
She was a good kid.
264
00:19:25,758 --> 00:19:27,310
She was very outgoing.
265
00:19:28,068 --> 00:19:29,448
She was very caring.
266
00:19:31,379 --> 00:19:32,758
It was more than mother
and daughter.
267
00:19:34,758 --> 00:19:36,448
You know,
we were kinda best friends.
268
00:19:42,551 --> 00:19:43,344
She was a tomboy.
269
00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:47,482
She wanted to work
on big trucks.
270
00:19:49,379 --> 00:19:52,172
Darlene wanted
to join the military.
271
00:19:52,275 --> 00:19:57,758
She had in her head
her dream of wanting
to drive tractor trailers.
272
00:20:00,724 --> 00:20:03,344
So she joined to get the Army
to teach her.
273
00:20:04,655 --> 00:20:06,965
Her serving...
Of course it made me proud.
274
00:20:12,655 --> 00:20:15,172
We asked them
about something
we noticed at the crime scene.
275
00:20:15,275 --> 00:20:18,482
That Darlene was wearing,
what looked to us,
like an engagement ring.
276
00:20:20,137 --> 00:20:21,172
Did they have
any knowledge of that?
277
00:20:23,482 --> 00:20:24,931
Oh, yes. They did.
278
00:20:25,034 --> 00:20:26,862
She was actually married once
279
00:20:28,241 --> 00:20:29,862
to a young man who was
in the Army.
280
00:20:33,103 --> 00:20:34,517
A Glen Gerringer.
281
00:20:40,241 --> 00:20:42,275
I really didn't know
anything about him.
282
00:20:42,379 --> 00:20:46,000
She and Glen hooked up
and decided to get married.
283
00:20:46,103 --> 00:20:48,206
They could
live off post and...
284
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:50,689
You know, which I
didn't agree with, but, uh,
285
00:20:50,793 --> 00:20:52,758
she was gonna do
whatever she wanted
to do anyhow.
286
00:20:53,758 --> 00:20:55,482
19, 20, I mean...
287
00:20:55,586 --> 00:20:57,034
You don't know
what you wanna do.
288
00:20:57,137 --> 00:20:59,310
I mean, come on.
You think you do,
but you don't.
289
00:21:02,379 --> 00:21:04,103
They were
not compatible for each other.
290
00:21:04,206 --> 00:21:07,517
They filed for divorce
and her divorce
would have been final,
291
00:21:07,620 --> 00:21:10,068
uh, a few days after
she was killed.
292
00:21:12,034 --> 00:21:14,965
Now, divorced husbands
always intrigue me.
293
00:21:15,068 --> 00:21:18,103
We already know that
whoever did this crime
hates women.
294
00:21:18,206 --> 00:21:21,517
Sometimes a divorcee
can hate their ex-wife.
295
00:21:21,620 --> 00:21:23,241
Really hate her.
296
00:21:23,344 --> 00:21:26,034
So this young man has emerged.
297
00:21:26,896 --> 00:21:28,310
He's at the top of our list.
298
00:21:31,206 --> 00:21:33,310
Gerringer was also a soldier
out of Fort Carson.
299
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,689
The benefit
of working with Fort Carson
300
00:21:41,793 --> 00:21:44,034
was the immediate access
of their soldiers.
301
00:21:44,137 --> 00:21:46,379
If we needed to talk
with somebody,
302
00:21:46,482 --> 00:21:50,172
CID, or their military police,
would go pick those people up
303
00:21:50,275 --> 00:21:51,758
and make them
readily available to us.
304
00:21:58,586 --> 00:22:01,068
Well, Glen. Who are you?
305
00:22:04,103 --> 00:22:05,551
How'd you feel
about this divorce?
306
00:22:06,724 --> 00:22:08,275
Were you angry enough
to kill her over it?
307
00:22:24,379 --> 00:22:29,275
You can always tell
someone who is lying
and trying to look emotional.
308
00:22:29,379 --> 00:22:31,206
Trying to fake
as if they're sobbing.
309
00:22:36,448 --> 00:22:38,724
But that wasn't Gerringer.
He was genuine.
310
00:22:41,482 --> 00:22:44,241
He was very emotional
about the loss
of Darlene Krashoc.
311
00:22:45,034 --> 00:22:47,517
He goes on to explain
312
00:22:47,620 --> 00:22:50,275
that even though
they were divorced,
they were friends.
313
00:22:50,379 --> 00:22:52,517
He was asked were he was
at the night before.
314
00:22:52,620 --> 00:22:54,172
He's got a new girlfriend
in his life.
315
00:22:54,275 --> 00:22:56,241
He was with her all night
the night before.
316
00:22:56,344 --> 00:22:57,689
They hadn't seen
each other in months.
317
00:22:57,793 --> 00:23:00,310
Totally cooperative with us,
has an alibi.
318
00:23:02,586 --> 00:23:06,689
We took hair samples,
we took blood, and we
looked at his teeth.
319
00:23:06,793 --> 00:23:10,103
They in no way match
the bite mark evidence
we have from the victim.
320
00:23:10,206 --> 00:23:11,310
We move on.
321
00:23:12,862 --> 00:23:14,965
So who is Mr. X?
322
00:23:15,068 --> 00:23:16,068
We still don't know.
323
00:23:21,275 --> 00:23:24,965
Everybody we talked to,
we took a blood sample
from and preserved it
324
00:23:25,068 --> 00:23:27,931
to create a database
of biological samples.
325
00:23:29,586 --> 00:23:31,965
The process to do that
was complicated.
326
00:23:32,724 --> 00:23:34,034
And it was expensive.
327
00:23:38,034 --> 00:23:40,103
And I argued, let's do this.
328
00:23:40,206 --> 00:23:43,103
And it may never come
to anything, but it could
come to everything.
329
00:23:43,206 --> 00:23:44,206
So we did it.
330
00:23:47,034 --> 00:23:49,896
So everybody we spoke
to in this case,
I had their blood.
331
00:23:52,068 --> 00:23:57,413
The storage of that evidence,
over time, so that the DNA
doesn't deteriorate,
332
00:23:57,517 --> 00:24:01,655
and could still be used
for comparison,
30 years later,
333
00:24:01,758 --> 00:24:03,724
was phenomenal.
334
00:24:03,827 --> 00:24:10,517
In 1987, DNA was really not
even part of our conversation.
335
00:24:10,620 --> 00:24:14,344
The first DNA case was
in England in 1986.
336
00:24:14,448 --> 00:24:16,000
It was something
that we thought,
337
00:24:16,103 --> 00:24:19,896
"Wow, that sounds pretty cool.
I wonder if someday
we'll be able to use it."
338
00:24:24,137 --> 00:24:26,206
But then,
fast-forward 30 years.
339
00:24:32,103 --> 00:24:34,241
We knew Darlene
was an active duty soldier
340
00:24:34,344 --> 00:24:36,379
stationed here at Fort Carson.
341
00:24:36,482 --> 00:24:39,379
So I became in contact
with a CID agent.
342
00:24:39,482 --> 00:24:41,000
And that was agent,
Jessica Veltri.
343
00:24:43,517 --> 00:24:45,275
As a special agent
for Army CID,
344
00:24:45,379 --> 00:24:48,551
I investigate felony-level
crimes where the Army
has an interest.
345
00:24:48,655 --> 00:24:50,103
And, as part of that role,
346
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:56,862
I requested some cold cases
to take a look at.
347
00:24:56,965 --> 00:24:59,862
I was then introduced
to Detective Isham
348
00:24:59,965 --> 00:25:02,931
and Detective Somosky,
who were also working
on the cold case team
349
00:25:03,034 --> 00:25:05,724
with Colorado Springs
Police Department.
350
00:25:05,827 --> 00:25:09,448
There was a lot of evidence,
from the victim's clothing...
351
00:25:14,206 --> 00:25:16,965
To cigarette butts found
near the body.
352
00:25:18,862 --> 00:25:20,103
The bite marks.
353
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,931
The hanger, the ligature.
354
00:25:25,724 --> 00:25:29,965
And so they actually got
the DNA tested
and uploaded to the system.
355
00:25:30,068 --> 00:25:33,413
Initially, the first piece
of DNA evidence
356
00:25:33,517 --> 00:25:36,586
that had the best profile
was a cigarette butt.
357
00:25:36,689 --> 00:25:39,655
Well, is that cigarette butt
related to my crime scene?
358
00:25:39,758 --> 00:25:42,068
Or is it just trash
that was in the parking lot?
359
00:25:43,896 --> 00:25:47,931
The lab examiner was able
to confirm that
the DNA profile
360
00:25:48,034 --> 00:25:50,896
on the cigarette butt
matched a DNA profile
361
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,586
that was all over
the victim's clothes.
362
00:26:00,137 --> 00:26:02,517
The phrase "Unknown
Individual Number 1"
363
00:26:02,620 --> 00:26:05,137
came from the DNA lab report,
364
00:26:05,241 --> 00:26:08,827
where they identified
a profile and it didn't match
any other samples
365
00:26:08,931 --> 00:26:10,517
that had been submitted
to the lab.
366
00:26:10,620 --> 00:26:13,724
And so then we knew,
with confidence, okay,
this was the right guy.
367
00:26:13,827 --> 00:26:16,000
It's just who is he?
And where is he?
368
00:26:31,241 --> 00:26:33,206
I get a call
from CID.
369
00:26:33,310 --> 00:26:35,068
New information comes forward.
370
00:26:35,172 --> 00:26:38,034
There is a female soldier
whose name is Carolyn Smith.
371
00:26:38,137 --> 00:26:40,551
She's active duty military.
372
00:26:40,655 --> 00:26:43,931
And she's sitting
in an interrogation room,
awaiting my arrival.
373
00:27:00,068 --> 00:27:02,379
I get there and start speaking
with Carolyn Smith.
374
00:27:03,827 --> 00:27:05,551
This girl is Darlene's
best friend.
375
00:27:09,034 --> 00:27:11,620
We are well-aware
that 20-year-old girls
376
00:27:11,724 --> 00:27:14,000
tend to bump their gums
with their friends.
377
00:27:15,862 --> 00:27:19,000
What can Smith tell us
about Darlene and her
associates?
378
00:27:20,724 --> 00:27:22,862
She had spoken to Darlene
about 2 o'clock
379
00:27:22,965 --> 00:27:24,413
on the afternoon
before she went missing.
380
00:27:24,517 --> 00:27:27,000
She indicated then,
Darlene was gonna go out
381
00:27:27,103 --> 00:27:30,275
to Shuffles nightclub
with a couple of guys
382
00:27:30,379 --> 00:27:32,896
from her unit,
there at Fort Carson.
383
00:27:35,172 --> 00:27:39,586
Shuffles bar
had a dance floor, music.
And a young crowd.
384
00:27:39,689 --> 00:27:42,793
Darlene says, "Sgt. Lord
is gonna take me."
385
00:27:42,896 --> 00:27:46,034
That's her sergeant
who's in charge
of her platoon.
386
00:27:46,137 --> 00:27:49,344
And she says another fellow,
Tim Robinson,
is gonna go with them.
387
00:27:53,689 --> 00:27:56,551
So Lord and Robinson,
they're probably the last ones
to see her alive.
388
00:28:02,068 --> 00:28:04,482
The thing I always say
of CID, God bless them,
389
00:28:04,586 --> 00:28:07,137
they don't mess around.
390
00:28:07,241 --> 00:28:10,034
The civilian authorities
say he might be involved
in a murder,
391
00:28:10,137 --> 00:28:13,000
they will put your nose
in the dirt, and handcuff you,
392
00:28:13,103 --> 00:28:16,620
and drag you
from wherever you are
to an interrogation room.
393
00:28:16,724 --> 00:28:21,413
And CID, in typical fashion,
whips them up in 30 minutes.
394
00:28:21,517 --> 00:28:24,827
Lord and his friend, Robinson,
395
00:28:24,931 --> 00:28:27,413
obviously know
that Darlene Krashoc is dead.
396
00:28:27,517 --> 00:28:29,344
Everybody
in Fort Carson knows.
397
00:28:29,448 --> 00:28:33,862
Why wouldn't they come forward
with the fact that they were
with her that night before?
398
00:28:33,965 --> 00:28:36,931
So when I walked in
to talk to Erik Lord,
I took his handcuffs off.
399
00:28:37,034 --> 00:28:38,655
I said, "We're not gonna need
these, are we Erik?"
400
00:28:39,896 --> 00:28:42,068
"No, sir." I said,
"Okay, let's get them off."
401
00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:48,827
He'd look at ya,
and you could tell
he was in charge.
402
00:28:48,931 --> 00:28:52,241
Joe Kenda asked us
very pointed,
very specific questions
403
00:28:52,344 --> 00:28:54,793
trying to find out
whereabouts,
who were we with.
404
00:28:54,896 --> 00:28:57,103
I mean, just about
every single detail
405
00:28:57,206 --> 00:28:58,758
he could have imagined,
that day.
406
00:29:02,655 --> 00:29:05,448
I was smoking
like a freight train.
I was nervous.
407
00:29:09,448 --> 00:29:11,655
We left work, and Darlene says
she wanted to go out
and have some fun.
408
00:29:12,758 --> 00:29:14,793
And so, I said, "Yeah, sure."
You know.
409
00:29:14,896 --> 00:29:17,310
"Uh, I'll take you
to B Street."
410
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:26,137
Robinson was dancing
with Darlene,
411
00:29:26,241 --> 00:29:27,482
and, you know,
was having a good time.
412
00:29:32,241 --> 00:29:34,758
Darlene danced with a couple
of the guys in the bar,
413
00:29:34,862 --> 00:29:36,517
and I said, "Okay.
It's time to go."
414
00:29:36,620 --> 00:29:38,172
And she said,
"No, I'm not leaving."
415
00:29:38,275 --> 00:29:41,275
I said, "Yeah, you are,
'cause I'm you're ride.
I'm responsible for you."
416
00:29:43,172 --> 00:29:45,034
And we kinda got into it
a little bit.
417
00:29:45,137 --> 00:29:47,620
And there was a guy
at the bar that she
was drinking with.
418
00:29:49,241 --> 00:29:52,620
Darlene doesn't introduce him,
so he doesn't get a name.
419
00:29:54,482 --> 00:29:58,241
But Lord describes him
as a young GI,
doesn't know him,
420
00:29:58,344 --> 00:29:59,551
never seen him before.
421
00:29:59,655 --> 00:30:01,379
You can usually pick
a soldier out.
422
00:30:02,517 --> 00:30:04,413
Just by the, you know,
the way they walk.
423
00:30:04,517 --> 00:30:06,137
By the way
they carry themselves.
424
00:30:08,172 --> 00:30:09,965
And he remembers
looking at this guy,
425
00:30:10,068 --> 00:30:11,620
and he thought he was
unusual-looking.
426
00:30:11,724 --> 00:30:13,689
Okay, what does that mean?
427
00:30:13,793 --> 00:30:16,862
The person that I saw
had beady eyes, you know?
428
00:30:16,965 --> 00:30:21,000
It's very hard to translate
someone's impression
of a body part
429
00:30:21,103 --> 00:30:22,758
when you really don't know
what he's talking about.
430
00:30:22,862 --> 00:30:26,310
What means beady eyes
to him may mean
something else to you.
431
00:30:29,965 --> 00:30:31,448
She says,
"He'll give me a ride."
432
00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:34,344
I said, "We have to make
formation."
433
00:30:34,448 --> 00:30:36,586
You know,
there's no way around it.
434
00:30:36,689 --> 00:30:38,206
You know,
and it was getting late.
435
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:41,482
And she says,
"No, don't worry about it."
436
00:30:41,586 --> 00:30:44,137
"I'll be there."
Last time I ever saw her.
437
00:30:46,965 --> 00:30:49,758
We, of course, considered
that from the very beginning,
438
00:30:49,862 --> 00:30:53,241
that the killer in this
process is probably military.
439
00:30:53,344 --> 00:30:55,275
That's the most likely
scenario.
440
00:31:16,448 --> 00:31:20,310
To think that, even then,
they knew that it was
possibly a soldier,
441
00:31:20,413 --> 00:31:22,586
um, so somebody who
you're supposed
to be able to trust,
442
00:31:22,689 --> 00:31:24,103
um, and work alongside with.
443
00:31:25,724 --> 00:31:28,620
As a special agent
for Army CID, I didn't want
to give up on that.
444
00:31:30,551 --> 00:31:34,068
In 2017, the technology
called phenotyping,
445
00:31:34,172 --> 00:31:38,379
that was the most advanced
DNA technology we could do
at that time.
446
00:31:38,482 --> 00:31:43,551
Early in 2017, I came across
this company called Parabon.
447
00:31:43,655 --> 00:31:47,620
And I saw that they had
the ability to take DNA
448
00:31:47,724 --> 00:31:51,724
and identify, with a certain
probability, what color eyes
this person might have,
449
00:31:51,827 --> 00:31:53,034
what skin tone
they might have.
450
00:31:54,827 --> 00:31:57,827
We learned when we got
the phenotype,
451
00:31:57,931 --> 00:32:03,068
the individual that the DNA
belonged to was a white male.
452
00:32:04,379 --> 00:32:07,000
Northern, western European
descent.
453
00:32:07,103 --> 00:32:09,793
Brown hair, hazel eyes.
454
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:15,482
The evolution
I was so fondly looking
forward to,
455
00:32:15,586 --> 00:32:16,931
has in fact happened.
456
00:32:17,034 --> 00:32:18,482
The ghost is alive.
457
00:32:26,413 --> 00:32:27,827
We have Sergeant Lord,
458
00:32:29,137 --> 00:32:33,241
the last man to see
Darlene Krashoc alive.
459
00:32:33,344 --> 00:32:38,172
At the time, Erik was trying
his best to convince this girl
to come out of this bar.
460
00:32:38,275 --> 00:32:41,275
It wasn't enough.
He got tired of that,
and he left.
461
00:32:42,724 --> 00:32:45,586
And then, uh,
next day she didn't show up.
462
00:32:46,724 --> 00:32:50,137
And... You know, I was...
463
00:32:50,241 --> 00:32:52,689
I said, "Okay, maybe...
She'd been drinking."
464
00:32:52,793 --> 00:32:54,517
I said, "Let's give her
some time."
465
00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:58,689
And then we had found out
that there was a girl found.
A girl's body was found.
466
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,241
I said, "Oh, my God!
That's it. That's her."
467
00:33:05,344 --> 00:33:10,310
And, literally just...
Whole world just caved in.
468
00:33:14,724 --> 00:33:17,793
Erik had some
degree of survivor guilt.
It's common.
469
00:33:17,896 --> 00:33:21,379
People blame themselves
for something they didn't do,
470
00:33:22,896 --> 00:33:25,517
that resulted in terrible
things happening to someone.
471
00:33:27,172 --> 00:33:31,655
You know, the fact that, um,
I was Darlene's ride
that night,
472
00:33:31,758 --> 00:33:34,413
and I left her behind, I...
473
00:33:35,862 --> 00:33:36,586
Um.
474
00:33:37,931 --> 00:33:39,172
I should've pushed her
in the car.
475
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,344
And why I didn't.
476
00:33:44,655 --> 00:33:47,551
You know, it's, uh...
Hard to deal with.
477
00:33:48,689 --> 00:33:51,275
One little motion,
I could've changed...
478
00:33:51,379 --> 00:33:54,068
I wouldn't be here right now
talking to you.
479
00:33:55,241 --> 00:33:56,724
Met a lot of people
I didn't want to meet.
480
00:33:59,275 --> 00:34:02,586
And in this case,
that much rage,
it's not unlikely
481
00:34:02,689 --> 00:34:07,344
that the suspect also has
some kind of marks
or injuries on them.
482
00:34:07,448 --> 00:34:10,655
So when we're interviewing
people, we're gonna ask
and we're gonna look
483
00:34:10,758 --> 00:34:12,241
to see if they have
any kind of marks on them.
484
00:34:12,344 --> 00:34:13,586
And then they said,
"Take your shirt off."
485
00:34:23,103 --> 00:34:25,068
He's perfectly clean,
doesn't have a mark on him.
486
00:34:28,034 --> 00:34:31,000
We still take blood and hair
from him, with his consent.
487
00:34:31,103 --> 00:34:33,586
They looked at my teeth.
Actually took
bite impressions.
488
00:34:33,689 --> 00:34:35,931
It was very involved.
489
00:34:37,689 --> 00:34:41,862
The story
Erik Lord tells
is perfectly reasonable.
490
00:34:41,965 --> 00:34:45,206
The best person to confirm
that story is Tim Robinson.
491
00:34:47,724 --> 00:34:49,206
Because he was there too.
492
00:34:50,793 --> 00:34:53,068
So I go next door,
to where Mr. Robinson
493
00:34:53,172 --> 00:34:54,931
is being interrogated
by somebody else.
494
00:34:56,241 --> 00:34:59,103
Tim and Erik provided
very consistent information
495
00:34:59,206 --> 00:35:01,551
about their association
with Darlene on that night.
496
00:35:04,517 --> 00:35:07,896
Everything
is going along swimmingly
in this interrogation.
497
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,724
Then we asked him
to take off his shirt.
498
00:35:21,413 --> 00:35:23,172
And he is covered
in scratches.
499
00:35:28,586 --> 00:35:31,034
He has them on his back,
his chest, and his arm.
500
00:35:33,275 --> 00:35:34,931
Mr. Robinson,
501
00:35:35,034 --> 00:35:37,655
you suddenly have
some serious explaining to do.
502
00:35:51,379 --> 00:35:52,310
He's got scratches
all over him.
503
00:35:54,241 --> 00:35:57,965
Well, Timmy,
where'd you get those?
504
00:35:58,068 --> 00:36:00,448
He's one of the last
to see her.
He's got some marks.
505
00:36:00,551 --> 00:36:01,931
This is starting to look
pretty good.
506
00:36:02,034 --> 00:36:03,724
Robinson gets very upset.
507
00:36:03,827 --> 00:36:06,896
He knows the Army has a habit
of hitting you over the head
with a sledgehammer
508
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,965
when you get accused
of a crime.
509
00:36:09,068 --> 00:36:14,517
I looked at him and asked him,
"Can you explain the scratches
and marks all over you?"
510
00:36:16,034 --> 00:36:19,206
And Robinson said,
"I know this girl,
511
00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:23,000
and I went to see her
that night and all these marks
came from her."
512
00:36:23,103 --> 00:36:25,586
Well...
513
00:36:25,689 --> 00:36:29,068
Something you don't hear
everyday, but there are people
who do that sort of thing.
514
00:36:30,827 --> 00:36:33,827
He's in a relationship
with a gal who gets
a little physical.
515
00:36:37,034 --> 00:36:38,000
His story panned out.
516
00:36:40,137 --> 00:36:42,724
I still take hair
and blood samples from him.
517
00:36:42,827 --> 00:36:44,931
And I ask to look
at his teeth.
518
00:36:46,482 --> 00:36:48,068
When I do look at his teeth,
519
00:36:48,172 --> 00:36:51,034
they in no way match
the bite mark
evidence we have.
520
00:36:52,965 --> 00:36:55,172
So Mr. Robinson has an alibi.
521
00:37:02,689 --> 00:37:04,344
At this point
in the investigation,
522
00:37:04,448 --> 00:37:06,241
when your leads
are just running out
523
00:37:06,344 --> 00:37:08,310
and you don't have anything,
you start to reach.
524
00:37:09,620 --> 00:37:11,620
In this
particular case,
525
00:37:11,724 --> 00:37:15,586
the victim is in a nightclub
involving perhaps as many
as 100 people.
526
00:37:15,689 --> 00:37:19,379
It's a very difficult thing
to analyze, after the fact.
527
00:37:25,034 --> 00:37:28,344
To think that
a bartender was going
to remember an individual
528
00:37:28,448 --> 00:37:30,482
that just walked up,
grabbed a drink,
went out and danced.
529
00:37:32,931 --> 00:37:38,068
Trying to identify
an individual at a bar
is a very daunting task.
530
00:37:56,379 --> 00:38:00,172
As a homicide
detective, you engage
in a process of elimination.
531
00:38:01,793 --> 00:38:05,137
This was 1987. No cellphones.
532
00:38:05,241 --> 00:38:07,482
No surveillance cameras.
533
00:38:07,586 --> 00:38:11,172
This is old-fashioned
gumshoe detective work,
534
00:38:11,275 --> 00:38:13,551
relying on people's
limited memories.
535
00:38:13,655 --> 00:38:15,758
People who had been drinking
for six or seven hours.
536
00:38:15,862 --> 00:38:17,862
It makes this
very, very difficult.
537
00:38:21,068 --> 00:38:22,724
The case file
is every document
538
00:38:22,827 --> 00:38:25,655
associated in any way
to the event in question.
539
00:38:26,931 --> 00:38:29,862
All police reports,
the autopsy report,
540
00:38:29,965 --> 00:38:33,724
laboratory examination
results, the list goes on.
541
00:38:33,827 --> 00:38:37,965
Anyone can pick up
and learn everything
that needs to be known
542
00:38:38,068 --> 00:38:39,344
about this investigation.
543
00:38:46,793 --> 00:38:48,275
That is a case file.
544
00:38:54,344 --> 00:38:58,862
The 30-year anniversary
of Darlene's death
was on March 17, 2017.
545
00:39:01,655 --> 00:39:06,482
With the DNA composite sketch,
we got a reward approved
for $10,000
546
00:39:06,586 --> 00:39:10,034
for any information leading
to the identity, arrest,
and conviction
547
00:39:10,137 --> 00:39:12,034
for the person responsible
for the death of Darlene.
548
00:39:14,413 --> 00:39:15,413
The Parabon snapshot...
549
00:39:17,724 --> 00:39:19,275
Can give us predictions.
550
00:39:19,379 --> 00:39:22,379
Ethnicity, race,
hair and eye color.
551
00:39:22,482 --> 00:39:24,241
The first they one they give
you is at age 22,
552
00:39:24,344 --> 00:39:26,206
and then you can do
a photo enhancement
553
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:28,620
for, uh, the same person
at age 50.
554
00:39:36,724 --> 00:39:39,068
That's really when it
kinda opened the door.
555
00:39:48,931 --> 00:39:50,103
It's the 26th
of March,
556
00:39:51,793 --> 00:39:53,517
1987.
557
00:39:53,620 --> 00:39:55,827
Nine days in.
558
00:39:55,931 --> 00:39:58,551
After all of this frustration,
all of this effort,
559
00:39:58,655 --> 00:40:01,551
that's gotten us nowhere,
560
00:40:01,655 --> 00:40:04,793
suddenly, out of the blue,
a lightning bolt arrives.
561
00:40:06,517 --> 00:40:09,586
Army CID, they call me,
they say, "We have this
individual in custody,
562
00:40:09,689 --> 00:40:11,379
his name is Brian Jackson.
563
00:40:11,482 --> 00:40:14,586
He is charged with some
sexual assault offenses."
564
00:40:16,827 --> 00:40:21,551
And he says that he's
responsible for the death
of our victim.
565
00:40:24,827 --> 00:40:27,172
Well, hallelujah,
there is a God.
566
00:40:27,965 --> 00:40:29,551
We're on our way.
567
00:40:35,827 --> 00:40:37,758
When CID starts a little bit
of their investigation,
568
00:40:37,862 --> 00:40:39,379
we find out that, yes,
he has a truck.
569
00:40:41,689 --> 00:40:45,206
We believe that she was
transported in a truck.
570
00:40:45,310 --> 00:40:47,068
The Army has
the ability to search
571
00:40:47,172 --> 00:40:49,137
people's vehicles
without their consent.
572
00:40:49,241 --> 00:40:51,034
We don't. But they do.
573
00:40:52,241 --> 00:40:54,172
They searched his truck.
574
00:40:57,827 --> 00:40:59,241
Guess what?
There's a coat hanger
in the truck.
575
00:41:02,344 --> 00:41:04,344
We have
physical evidence
that could match
576
00:41:04,448 --> 00:41:05,862
what was used in this crime.
577
00:41:05,965 --> 00:41:08,379
We have him making
these statements.
578
00:41:08,482 --> 00:41:10,655
He's active duty military.
579
00:41:10,758 --> 00:41:12,448
He's charged
with sexual assault.
580
00:41:12,551 --> 00:41:16,137
Everything says the stars
are coming into alignment.
581
00:41:16,241 --> 00:41:18,482
That this very well
is our guy.
582
00:41:20,206 --> 00:41:20,931
I go there.
583
00:41:26,413 --> 00:41:30,068
And everybody and his brother
begins to show up.
584
00:41:30,172 --> 00:41:34,379
The Staff Judge Advocate
General for Fort Carson
is there.
585
00:41:34,482 --> 00:41:38,620
The Commanding General
of the 4th Infantry Division
is there.
586
00:41:38,724 --> 00:41:41,241
The Chief Judge of the court
is there.
587
00:41:43,241 --> 00:41:45,034
And of course,
all heads turn towards me.
588
00:41:47,758 --> 00:41:51,103
When I first meet
Brian Jackson, he's well-aware
of how much trouble he's in.
589
00:41:52,965 --> 00:41:54,103
He's gonna be a nervous wreck.
590
00:41:55,482 --> 00:41:56,931
We'll see where this goes.
591
00:42:07,689 --> 00:42:12,517
Brian Jackson says
he's responsible for the death
of Darlene Krashoc.
592
00:42:15,758 --> 00:42:17,827
He has some
promising attributes.
593
00:42:19,103 --> 00:42:20,689
He's in custody
for sexual assault.
594
00:42:22,724 --> 00:42:24,965
This is
a sexual assault crime.
595
00:42:25,068 --> 00:42:26,344
That fits.
596
00:42:27,448 --> 00:42:29,000
He's made
some veiled statements
597
00:42:29,103 --> 00:42:30,827
about how
he's probably responsible
598
00:42:30,931 --> 00:42:32,655
for Darlene Krashoc's
death.
599
00:42:34,034 --> 00:42:36,344
Does that add up
to proof beyond
a reasonable doubt?
600
00:42:44,413 --> 00:42:45,793
No.
601
00:42:45,896 --> 00:42:50,344
It rises to the level
of further inquiry.
602
00:42:50,448 --> 00:42:53,379
So, Jackson,
he's been in the Army
12 years.
603
00:42:53,482 --> 00:42:55,379
He's an infantry guy.
604
00:42:55,482 --> 00:42:56,344
He is married.
605
00:42:57,310 --> 00:42:58,931
Jackson is
currently charged
606
00:42:59,034 --> 00:43:00,862
with two counts
of sexual assault
607
00:43:00,965 --> 00:43:03,344
against female soldiers
in his company.
608
00:43:03,448 --> 00:43:06,413
He is in the trouble
of his life.
609
00:43:06,517 --> 00:43:09,758
That can lead people
to say things that
otherwise aren't true.
610
00:43:09,862 --> 00:43:13,413
Looking for leverage,
looking for a way out,
looking for something.
611
00:43:13,517 --> 00:43:16,689
Turn out, Mr. Jackson
is precisely that person.
612
00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:22,103
Lots of things about him
that he needs to explain,
for sure.
613
00:43:22,206 --> 00:43:23,241
Let's talk about it.
614
00:43:24,275 --> 00:43:26,931
"Do you know
Darlene Krashoc?"
615
00:43:27,034 --> 00:43:28,862
"Well, no, I don't
really know her."
616
00:43:28,965 --> 00:43:32,482
"But you say
you are responsible
for her death.
617
00:43:32,586 --> 00:43:34,413
Why would you say that?"
618
00:43:36,758 --> 00:43:38,931
"Well, I just think
if I would have been there..."
619
00:43:39,034 --> 00:43:42,241
And he wanders off
in this weird, sort of,
discussion.
620
00:43:42,344 --> 00:43:45,586
And you begin to realize
that this guy is trying to use
621
00:43:45,689 --> 00:43:47,310
the murder
of Darlene Krashoc
622
00:43:47,413 --> 00:43:50,068
to show him mercy
in his situation.
623
00:43:50,172 --> 00:43:52,344
Had he been at the bar,
he would have prevented
624
00:43:52,448 --> 00:43:54,241
Darlene Krashoc
from being killed.
625
00:43:54,344 --> 00:43:57,310
And because she was killed,
he feels responsible for that.
626
00:43:58,068 --> 00:43:59,413
Oh, please.
627
00:43:59,517 --> 00:44:02,413
What's his alibi?
Where was he at the night
that this happened?
628
00:44:02,517 --> 00:44:04,896
Well, the alibi
just totally threw him
out of...
629
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Out of the water there.
630
00:44:06,103 --> 00:44:07,068
He couldn't have
killed Darlene.
631
00:44:07,172 --> 00:44:09,000
He wasn't even near
Shuffles that night.
632
00:44:10,655 --> 00:44:13,413
Mr. Jackson
is not the sharpest knife
in the drawer,
633
00:44:13,517 --> 00:44:16,862
and he's reaching
for any straw that
he can get hold of
634
00:44:16,965 --> 00:44:20,482
to provide him some mercy
from the system.
635
00:44:20,586 --> 00:44:22,896
We take blood,
we take hair.
636
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,551
We also look
at his teeth.
637
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,655
His teeth no way match
her bite marks.
638
00:44:28,758 --> 00:44:31,551
He's not the guy we want
for Darlene Krashoc.
639
00:44:31,655 --> 00:44:33,310
He's just a guy.
640
00:44:34,344 --> 00:44:37,172
So, this great feeling
of euphoria
641
00:44:37,275 --> 00:44:40,413
has turned into
yet another disappointment.
642
00:44:40,517 --> 00:44:44,000
That's why
a murder investigation
can drive you crazy.
643
00:44:44,103 --> 00:44:46,793
It's so good, and then,
suddenly, it's so bad.
644
00:44:48,172 --> 00:44:50,344
Uh, you're back
to square one again.
645
00:44:50,448 --> 00:44:53,896
And at this point,
we don't have a whole lot
of other direction to go.
646
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,793
You add parts
to that investigative file
every day.
647
00:44:57,896 --> 00:44:59,137
It begins with page one.
648
00:45:00,482 --> 00:45:03,379
And before you know it,
you're opening page 401.
649
00:45:06,931 --> 00:45:09,551
Despite our efforts,
despite everything we've done,
650
00:45:09,655 --> 00:45:13,103
we have been
unable to identify
any other suspects.
651
00:45:14,965 --> 00:45:16,448
We are at a dead end.
652
00:45:18,206 --> 00:45:20,413
At some point,
you have to say,
653
00:45:20,517 --> 00:45:24,724
"For now, this investigation
cannot move forward
654
00:45:24,827 --> 00:45:26,206
'cause there is no place
for it to move.
655
00:45:26,310 --> 00:45:29,896
It is now an inactive
homicide investigation."
656
00:45:41,068 --> 00:45:44,448
Nobody wants to quit.
We want to get the answers.
657
00:45:47,586 --> 00:45:50,862
I felt I had done
everything in my power
658
00:45:52,310 --> 00:45:53,896
to find out who killed her.
659
00:45:57,862 --> 00:45:59,551
And I didn't do it.
660
00:46:00,379 --> 00:46:02,413
I didn't find out.
661
00:46:04,103 --> 00:46:05,896
There's a price
you pay for that.
662
00:46:07,413 --> 00:46:08,517
Nightmares.
663
00:46:09,379 --> 00:46:10,793
All sorts of fun things.
664
00:46:11,379 --> 00:46:12,689
But reality sets in.
665
00:46:14,724 --> 00:46:19,000
There are other mothers
that have lost loved ones
that need our attention.
666
00:46:19,103 --> 00:46:23,379
Krashoc was
an active-duty soldier
stationed at Fort Carson.
667
00:46:23,482 --> 00:46:25,103
No suspect
was identified.
668
00:46:26,551 --> 00:46:28,275
You have to tell
the parents that.
669
00:46:30,103 --> 00:46:31,344
Ugly business.
670
00:46:33,068 --> 00:46:35,482
Betty had a hard time.
671
00:46:35,586 --> 00:46:38,310
She fell into
a deep state of depression.
672
00:46:38,413 --> 00:46:40,206
Put her under
doctor's care.
673
00:46:40,310 --> 00:46:43,344
Like any other mother,
she would just, uh...
674
00:46:45,034 --> 00:46:47,034
cry. Cried a lot.
675
00:46:48,965 --> 00:46:51,344
I just had to know.
I want to know.
676
00:46:51,448 --> 00:46:54,103
Find him.
How hard could it be?
677
00:46:54,206 --> 00:46:56,896
You know, that's me,
and that's any parent.
678
00:46:59,586 --> 00:47:01,724
You have to understand
their position.
679
00:47:01,827 --> 00:47:04,862
They're in
an emotional nightmare that
they can't wake up from,
680
00:47:04,965 --> 00:47:06,689
that someone like this
is walking around loose,
681
00:47:06,793 --> 00:47:08,586
and we don't know
who he is.
682
00:47:11,137 --> 00:47:12,241
We have no idea
who he is.
683
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,068
But people who commit crimes
forget something
684
00:47:18,172 --> 00:47:20,517
that's extremely important.
685
00:47:20,620 --> 00:47:24,517
The police do not forgive,
and they do not forget.
686
00:47:24,620 --> 00:47:29,000
And some day, your knee
is gonna touch the ground.
687
00:47:31,206 --> 00:47:33,724
And on that day,
688
00:47:33,827 --> 00:47:36,586
a policeman's
gonna be standing over you
689
00:47:36,689 --> 00:47:40,206
to handcuff you
and remind you of your past.
690
00:47:40,310 --> 00:47:42,310
That's the day
I always look forward to.
691
00:47:44,655 --> 00:47:47,793
We are going to identify
the ghost.
692
00:47:57,827 --> 00:48:00,413
In the case
of Darlene Krashoc,
693
00:48:00,517 --> 00:48:03,724
there is no one left
to investigate.
694
00:48:08,206 --> 00:48:10,448
I would come into work
early every morning.
695
00:48:10,551 --> 00:48:11,689
I'd make a cup of coffee.
696
00:48:13,103 --> 00:48:15,931
I'd walk to the doorway
of the cold-case library.
697
00:48:17,172 --> 00:48:18,379
And I'd look at every book.
698
00:48:20,241 --> 00:48:22,620
And then, I would
beat myself up for being
a dumb
699
00:48:22,724 --> 00:48:25,000
who doesn't know
who killed those people.
700
00:48:25,103 --> 00:48:28,482
Then I'd go sit down
and start looking over reports
701
00:48:28,586 --> 00:48:30,379
of the current
homicide cases.
702
00:48:33,413 --> 00:48:36,551
I carried on
after we closed
the active status
703
00:48:36,655 --> 00:48:38,172
of the Krashoc case
704
00:48:40,413 --> 00:48:42,758
until 1996, September 1st.
705
00:48:46,206 --> 00:48:47,344
Then I returned.
706
00:48:50,862 --> 00:48:53,310
Life goes on,
retirements happen.
707
00:48:53,413 --> 00:48:56,896
Things in the country change,
new Presidents are elected.
708
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,413
But you never forget.
I never did.
709
00:48:59,517 --> 00:49:00,655
And I was
still always hopeful
710
00:49:00,758 --> 00:49:02,862
that someday
something would
come to light
711
00:49:02,965 --> 00:49:05,793
in the Krashoc case
by some method or means.
712
00:49:07,137 --> 00:49:09,724
And resurrection
could be had finally.
713
00:49:16,275 --> 00:49:18,413
You know, I just felt like
nobody was doing anything.
714
00:49:18,517 --> 00:49:21,551
I just felt like
everybody had forgotten her.
715
00:49:22,586 --> 00:49:25,137
But, uh, I've got
boxes of e-mails.
716
00:49:25,241 --> 00:49:27,379
I would e-mail
every detective.
717
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,275
I'd type up letters.
718
00:49:29,379 --> 00:49:33,000
I even sent letters
to the President of
the United States.
719
00:49:33,103 --> 00:49:35,413
You never forget,
and it never goes away.
720
00:49:35,517 --> 00:49:37,241
Has he ever
done it again?
721
00:49:37,344 --> 00:49:39,862
Has he hurt
somebody else's child?
722
00:49:39,965 --> 00:49:42,482
Has he destroyed
somebody else's family?
723
00:49:44,586 --> 00:49:45,965
Betty, bless her heart,
724
00:49:46,068 --> 00:49:48,241
she was running
interference for Darlene
725
00:49:48,344 --> 00:49:50,137
and making sure
that it was getting done.
726
00:49:53,517 --> 00:49:55,379
We decided
we'd come back to Colorado.
727
00:49:55,482 --> 00:49:56,896
We did flyers.
728
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,206
We had T-shirts made up
with her picture on it
and hats.
729
00:50:05,517 --> 00:50:07,448
I even wrote a poem.
730
00:50:09,172 --> 00:50:11,862
"In the vision of man,
but it's just deceit.
731
00:50:11,965 --> 00:50:14,000
For there's a demon
on your streets.
732
00:50:20,931 --> 00:50:24,034
You may know his face.
I know it well.
733
00:50:33,931 --> 00:50:35,965
He left behind
some clues to tell.
734
00:50:44,965 --> 00:50:47,724
I'm only waiting
for the clock to chime,
735
00:50:47,827 --> 00:50:50,310
for soon, he'll pay
for his heinous crime.
736
00:51:04,862 --> 00:51:07,310
I know the secret,
I know the truth."
737
00:51:24,241 --> 00:51:27,137
The most important thing
you can take away
from a crime scene
738
00:51:27,241 --> 00:51:28,551
is the physical evidence.
739
00:51:32,034 --> 00:51:33,551
Well, the crime scene
investigators,
740
00:51:33,655 --> 00:51:36,965
even back then,
had specialized training
741
00:51:37,827 --> 00:51:39,413
in collecting
that evidence.
742
00:51:39,517 --> 00:51:42,586
Now we have the benefit
of video and technology
743
00:51:42,689 --> 00:51:45,241
and getting into people's
social media and cell phone
accounts,
744
00:51:45,344 --> 00:51:47,310
that actually help
solve cases.
745
00:51:47,413 --> 00:51:50,551
But Joe Kenda, especially,
came from an era
746
00:51:50,655 --> 00:51:52,379
where you had
to find evidence.
747
00:51:54,517 --> 00:51:56,620
Those guys
are absolute heroes.
748
00:52:00,241 --> 00:52:01,689
At the initial onset
of the investigation,
749
00:52:01,793 --> 00:52:03,068
they collected
all the evidence
750
00:52:04,103 --> 00:52:05,620
maybe, at that time,
for blood typing
751
00:52:07,586 --> 00:52:09,586
and to see
what the future might bring.
752
00:52:11,931 --> 00:52:13,689
It is fascinating,
because they didn't know
753
00:52:13,793 --> 00:52:15,137
what they were
preserving it for.
754
00:52:15,241 --> 00:52:17,620
Um, it just goes to show
755
00:52:17,724 --> 00:52:19,724
the foresight
and the dedication
756
00:52:19,827 --> 00:52:22,206
to, to advancements
that were coming.
757
00:52:22,310 --> 00:52:25,862
And knowing that
we still had that evidence,
I just, I felt very confident
758
00:52:25,965 --> 00:52:29,896
that there was a chance
that this case
could get solved.
759
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,344
The suspect's
DNA profile had been
entered in CODIS,
760
00:52:32,448 --> 00:52:33,862
a nationwide, uh, system.
761
00:52:33,965 --> 00:52:37,034
And as of 2018,
there had been no matches.
762
00:52:37,137 --> 00:52:39,965
Which told me that
since 1987, if no one's DNA
763
00:52:40,068 --> 00:52:42,206
had been
entered into the system,
it was very unlikely,
764
00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:43,827
and getting less likely
by the second,
765
00:52:43,931 --> 00:52:45,172
that that was
ever gonna happen.
766
00:52:46,586 --> 00:52:49,379
It blew me away
that even though we had
767
00:52:49,482 --> 00:52:54,448
a really solid DNA profile
in the national DNA index,
768
00:52:54,551 --> 00:52:55,758
we still didn't
have a suspect.
769
00:52:58,241 --> 00:53:00,241
After the phenotyping
was done,
770
00:53:00,344 --> 00:53:04,448
we got a visual depiction
of what the shape of the face
may look like.
771
00:53:06,827 --> 00:53:09,000
Social media
just blew up.
772
00:53:09,103 --> 00:53:12,172
We were getting calls
from other countries,
773
00:53:12,275 --> 00:53:14,793
based on seeing stuff
on Facebook,
774
00:53:14,896 --> 00:53:16,896
saying,
"Maybe I know this person."
775
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,689
Social media brought us
tons of leads.
776
00:53:19,793 --> 00:53:22,000
Unfortunately,
not a lot of them
really led anywhere.
777
00:53:22,793 --> 00:53:24,103
You know,
it's disappointing.
778
00:53:25,517 --> 00:53:28,620
That composite sketch,
I had it posted on my desk.
779
00:53:28,724 --> 00:53:30,344
Just, I stared at it
every day.
780
00:53:30,448 --> 00:53:33,965
Like, who is this guy,
where is he now, is he alive?
781
00:53:35,275 --> 00:53:36,862
I remember
The New York Times article
782
00:53:36,965 --> 00:53:39,482
about a cold case
that was solved
with genetic genealogy.
783
00:53:41,068 --> 00:53:43,517
So I started to follow
how it was being applied
in law enforcement.
784
00:53:45,517 --> 00:53:48,275
With the popularity of people
testing their own DNA
785
00:53:48,379 --> 00:53:49,689
to find out
where they're from...
786
00:53:53,724 --> 00:53:57,758
more and more people
are entering their DNA
into these databases.
787
00:53:57,862 --> 00:54:00,172
What forensic
genealogists can do
788
00:54:00,275 --> 00:54:03,310
is start to trace back
that family tree,
789
00:54:03,413 --> 00:54:06,793
and see what ancestors
they have in common,
790
00:54:06,896 --> 00:54:09,137
and the law enforcement
can, kind of, work with
the genealogists.
791
00:54:10,551 --> 00:54:13,517
They find out
where the DNA intersects
792
00:54:13,620 --> 00:54:16,275
between this family member
with a shared DNA
793
00:54:16,379 --> 00:54:18,586
and the individual
that you're trying
to identify.
794
00:54:20,620 --> 00:54:23,103
-I reached out to Parabon,
795
00:54:23,206 --> 00:54:25,137
who had previously done
the phenotyping.
796
00:54:27,068 --> 00:54:29,793
So, the genealogy,
it was new for their company,
797
00:54:29,896 --> 00:54:31,931
and they said,
"We'll run it through
the database once a week.
798
00:54:32,034 --> 00:54:34,241
And if get something
that looks workable,
we'll reach out."
799
00:54:42,034 --> 00:54:43,413
It was probably
about a year.
800
00:54:43,517 --> 00:54:46,655
And that whole time,
I'm just like,
"I know it's coming."
801
00:54:54,620 --> 00:54:57,448
It was 2019
when I got the call.
802
00:54:57,551 --> 00:54:59,068
"We've got
a possible match,
803
00:54:59,172 --> 00:55:02,000
a familial match,
um, with the suspect.
804
00:55:02,103 --> 00:55:05,241
It equates to about
a third cousin."
805
00:55:05,344 --> 00:55:08,241
And so this is something
that we can work.
It's workable.
806
00:55:10,931 --> 00:55:13,758
Agent Veltri
called me and said,
807
00:55:13,862 --> 00:55:16,241
"We have a match
to the unknown individual
number one
808
00:55:16,344 --> 00:55:17,620
in Darlene Krashoc's case."
809
00:55:19,827 --> 00:55:23,275
I remember,
I looked at Detective Somosky,
810
00:55:25,034 --> 00:55:27,206
and I just told him.
I said, "I think
we got our guy."
811
00:55:27,310 --> 00:55:29,241
And he said,
"Are you sure?"
812
00:55:29,344 --> 00:55:32,965
And I said, "I'm not sure,
but the science is sure."
813
00:55:33,068 --> 00:55:35,310
The very next
communication was,
814
00:55:35,413 --> 00:55:37,000
"Hey, we'd like to brief you
on the results."
815
00:55:37,103 --> 00:55:38,689
I mean, I remember
being in the office.
816
00:55:38,793 --> 00:55:40,068
Jim was on the line.
817
00:55:40,172 --> 00:55:42,206
I had a sign on my door,
like, "Do not disturb."
818
00:55:42,310 --> 00:55:44,137
Um, and we're just
all sitting there.
819
00:55:46,413 --> 00:55:48,724
For 32 years at CSPD,
820
00:55:48,827 --> 00:55:50,551
I've been trying
to identify a ghost,
821
00:55:50,655 --> 00:55:54,000
and, finally,
after advances in science,
822
00:55:54,103 --> 00:55:56,241
willingness to pursue,
823
00:55:56,344 --> 00:55:58,896
that ghost that's out there
running around loose...
824
00:56:00,793 --> 00:56:02,310
he has a name.
825
00:56:02,413 --> 00:56:04,482
This is what
we've been looking for.
826
00:56:19,344 --> 00:56:21,275
Michael Whyte.
827
00:56:21,379 --> 00:56:23,482
Michael Whyte.
828
00:56:26,965 --> 00:56:29,965
Michael Whyte was
tentatively identified
from the genetic genealogy.
829
00:56:32,827 --> 00:56:34,655
His name is
Michael David Whyte.
830
00:56:41,206 --> 00:56:44,448
We'd never seen the name
Michael Whyte come up
in that case report.
831
00:56:46,344 --> 00:56:48,137
I'd never seen
the name before.
832
00:56:50,137 --> 00:56:52,034
All the people
that we interviewed,
833
00:56:52,137 --> 00:56:54,310
the suspect's name
never surfaced.
834
00:56:57,379 --> 00:56:59,448
2,000 pages...
835
00:57:01,931 --> 00:57:05,103
and Michael David Whyte
never appears.
836
00:57:05,206 --> 00:57:08,172
We never heard of him,
nor did anyone else.
837
00:57:11,758 --> 00:57:14,827
Who is this guy?
838
00:57:14,931 --> 00:57:17,344
In doing some research,
we confirm that he was
a soldier.
839
00:57:21,034 --> 00:57:22,724
He was assigned
to Fort Carson.
840
00:57:23,896 --> 00:57:25,310
During that time...
841
00:57:27,965 --> 00:57:30,000
and public records
did confirm, he lived
842
00:57:30,103 --> 00:57:35,000
not far from where
Darlene's body was found.
843
00:57:35,103 --> 00:57:37,655
He has
zero criminal record.
844
00:57:37,758 --> 00:57:39,586
He got
a parking ticket once.
845
00:57:41,344 --> 00:57:45,793
For all intents and purposes,
he is Mr. Boring Suburbia.
846
00:57:45,896 --> 00:57:46,931
We need to know for sure.
847
00:57:52,206 --> 00:57:54,000
We need
to surveil this guy.
848
00:57:54,103 --> 00:57:56,689
We knew
that he was stable.
849
00:57:56,793 --> 00:58:00,724
Married, with a home
in an affluent suburb
in Denver.
850
00:58:01,758 --> 00:58:04,310
And working in
a pretty good job
851
00:58:04,413 --> 00:58:05,758
in the telecommunications
industry.
852
00:58:09,448 --> 00:58:12,068
We needed to get
ahold of DNA to confirm
853
00:58:12,172 --> 00:58:14,068
that he was
the person matching
854
00:58:14,172 --> 00:58:15,896
unknown suspect
number one's DNA.
855
00:58:25,103 --> 00:58:27,000
A fugitive team
did sit up on Michael Whyte.
856
00:58:28,137 --> 00:58:30,344
These are guys
that do this for a living.
857
00:58:30,448 --> 00:58:32,310
So you'd never know
you're getting followed.
858
00:58:32,413 --> 00:58:34,896
They just keep
tailing off, trading off.
859
00:58:38,241 --> 00:58:39,034
They're good at it.
860
00:58:51,931 --> 00:58:54,931
So they go,
and they start
surveilling him.
861
00:58:55,034 --> 00:58:57,758
And this particular day,
he's out running errands.
862
00:58:59,862 --> 00:59:01,862
But he pulls into
a hamburger place
863
00:59:03,448 --> 00:59:04,310
to get lunch.
864
00:59:05,379 --> 00:59:08,655
He sits there,
he enjoys his lunch.
865
00:59:08,758 --> 00:59:11,241
And he has
a red Solo cup.
866
00:59:11,344 --> 00:59:12,724
He drinks from the cup.
867
00:59:13,413 --> 00:59:15,655
The cup is now the focus.
868
00:59:17,758 --> 00:59:20,206
That's gonna have
his saliva on that cup.
869
00:59:20,310 --> 00:59:21,482
What's he gonna
do with it?
870
00:59:24,724 --> 00:59:26,827
He gets up and leaves.
871
00:59:34,896 --> 00:59:35,862
So we didn't
need a warrant.
872
00:59:39,413 --> 00:59:44,034
He technically has
no privacy rights
to that piece of trash
873
00:59:44,137 --> 00:59:45,827
he's just discarded.
874
00:59:58,827 --> 01:00:00,103
Some agents
came down from Fort Carson
875
01:00:00,206 --> 01:00:02,620
after, uh,
Agent Veltri called them.
876
01:00:02,724 --> 01:00:05,172
Jim and I transferred
the evidence to them.
877
01:00:05,275 --> 01:00:07,551
The scientists
working the case
communicated with us,
878
01:00:07,655 --> 01:00:10,172
"We're gonna work this
24x7 until it's...
Until it's resolved."
879
01:00:12,068 --> 01:00:14,068
There were
some tense moments,
880
01:00:14,172 --> 01:00:16,034
some dallying,
if you will.
881
01:00:16,137 --> 01:00:18,379
But again, you know,
witnesses lie,
882
01:00:18,482 --> 01:00:19,724
I've even had
victims lie,
883
01:00:19,827 --> 01:00:23,103
but one thing
I've found in 32 years
of law enforcement,
884
01:00:23,206 --> 01:00:24,137
the evidence doesn't lie.
885
01:00:27,068 --> 01:00:30,758
The results from
the DNA came back in,
886
01:00:30,862 --> 01:00:33,379
I honestly want to say
two-and-a-half
to three weeks,
887
01:00:33,482 --> 01:00:35,689
which is, kind of,
unheard of in DNA cases.
888
01:00:39,517 --> 01:00:42,379
That it was a confirmed match
to unknown person number one.
889
01:00:49,137 --> 01:00:50,517
My, my, my.
890
01:00:52,241 --> 01:00:54,931
It is him
without question.
891
01:00:55,034 --> 01:00:59,068
He is the only guy
who deposited his DNA
892
01:00:59,172 --> 01:01:02,379
on and inside the victim
in this case.
893
01:01:12,241 --> 01:01:14,551
We were now in a position,
after only 32 years,
894
01:01:16,827 --> 01:01:22,344
to arrest Michael David Whyte
for the murder and rape
of Darlene Krashoc.
895
01:01:24,241 --> 01:01:27,689
It's time
to go to jail, Michael.
896
01:01:36,241 --> 01:01:39,758
I remember,
it was June 13th, 2019.
897
01:01:39,862 --> 01:01:43,448
One of those days,
it's kind of hard to forget
as a law enforcement officer,
898
01:01:43,551 --> 01:01:45,620
made numerous arrests
in my career,
899
01:01:45,724 --> 01:01:48,344
this one, kind of,
rises to the top.
900
01:01:51,275 --> 01:01:53,241
I called Agent Veltri
and said,
901
01:01:53,344 --> 01:01:54,896
"The warrant's been issued
for Michael Whyte's arrest."
902
01:01:56,551 --> 01:01:58,655
I wanted to give them
the opportunity to be there,
903
01:01:58,758 --> 01:02:00,310
because without them,
we couldn't have had
that result.
904
01:02:01,517 --> 01:02:03,862
It was insane.
We hadn't eaten,
we hadn't slept.
905
01:02:03,965 --> 01:02:05,034
And then,
next thing you know,
906
01:02:05,137 --> 01:02:06,241
we're in the car,
and we're heading to Denver.
907
01:02:08,758 --> 01:02:10,551
We met at a park
in Thornton, Colorado,
908
01:02:11,310 --> 01:02:14,206
and a plan was devised.
909
01:02:14,310 --> 01:02:17,206
The fugitive units and myself
were to make contact
910
01:02:17,310 --> 01:02:18,758
with Mr. Whyte
at his residence.
911
01:02:20,310 --> 01:02:22,551
We knew that there was
at least one other adult
living in the house,
912
01:02:22,655 --> 01:02:25,275
identified as his spouse,
and we didn't want to put
anyone at risk.
913
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,793
You know, this guy
is a trained soldier.
914
01:02:28,896 --> 01:02:30,586
You know,
someone is not a threat
915
01:02:30,689 --> 01:02:32,137
until they're faced
with being arrested
916
01:02:32,241 --> 01:02:34,103
for a crime the committed
30 years earlier.
917
01:02:48,620 --> 01:02:51,689
It was a matter
of knocking on the door,
asking for Mr. Whyte.
918
01:02:51,793 --> 01:02:53,758
After he identified himself,
919
01:02:53,862 --> 01:02:56,827
our fugitive team told him
that we did have
arrest warrants
920
01:02:56,931 --> 01:02:58,724
from the Colorado Springs
Police Department.
921
01:02:59,655 --> 01:03:01,172
It was, kind of,
a textbook arrest.
922
01:03:07,310 --> 01:03:09,103
There was no fighting,
no screaming.
923
01:03:11,413 --> 01:03:13,379
He said, "Okay,"
while he was transported in.
924
01:03:18,379 --> 01:03:22,137
After the arrest, I went in
with Detective Jim Isham
925
01:03:22,241 --> 01:03:24,689
to speak to
Michael Whyte's wife.
926
01:03:26,724 --> 01:03:30,068
His current wife
was just taken off guard.
927
01:03:30,172 --> 01:03:33,517
She said Mr. Whyte
had never laid a finger
on her.
928
01:03:33,620 --> 01:03:34,551
There was no violence.
929
01:03:35,724 --> 01:03:38,482
She was
truly shocked.
930
01:03:38,586 --> 01:03:41,655
She described Michael Whyte
as her hero.
931
01:03:41,758 --> 01:03:45,793
She told us that she had
stage four esophageal cancer.
932
01:03:47,724 --> 01:03:49,551
And that
he was her lifeline.
933
01:03:49,655 --> 01:03:51,206
He was everything to her.
934
01:03:51,310 --> 01:03:54,448
And so that was sad.
That was really sad to hear.
935
01:03:56,413 --> 01:04:00,275
And also, just confusing.
936
01:04:01,413 --> 01:04:03,068
'Cause this is also
the same person
937
01:04:03,172 --> 01:04:07,241
who brutally murdered
Darlene Krashoc 32 years ago.
938
01:04:09,724 --> 01:04:11,655
A killer
looks like everybody else.
939
01:04:11,758 --> 01:04:12,896
What does he look like?
940
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,655
Like the guy behind you
at the grocery store.
941
01:04:15,758 --> 01:04:18,517
There is no profile,
there is no appearance.
942
01:04:19,275 --> 01:04:20,241
There is none of that.
943
01:04:30,482 --> 01:04:32,103
We went
to the police station
944
01:04:32,206 --> 01:04:33,758
to get ready
for the interview.
945
01:04:48,551 --> 01:04:51,793
I observed the interview
from another room.
946
01:04:51,896 --> 01:04:54,931
And that was, like,
the first time I really
laid eyes on him.
947
01:04:57,793 --> 01:04:59,172
We knew that, uh,
you know, this is someone
948
01:04:59,275 --> 01:05:02,068
who might want
to try to tell his side
of the story.
949
01:05:02,172 --> 01:05:03,724
Might try
to explain it away.
950
01:05:03,827 --> 01:05:04,896
Person that
committed this crime
951
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,551
didn't make it
through life,
952
01:05:06,655 --> 01:05:09,000
uh, just settling for
whatever got handed to him.
953
01:05:12,689 --> 01:05:15,310
He did waive
his right to speak with us,
954
01:05:16,517 --> 01:05:17,758
so we started
the interview.
955
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,103
I remember him
making a comment,
956
01:05:33,206 --> 01:05:35,000
"So old cases
that haven't been solved?"
957
01:06:06,413 --> 01:06:09,586
This is a well-educated,
upper middle class man
958
01:06:09,689 --> 01:06:12,137
who absolutely knows
what he's done
or what he hasn't done.
959
01:06:12,241 --> 01:06:15,068
Um, and you don't get sat
in front of a couple
of detectives,
960
01:06:15,172 --> 01:06:16,896
uh, without knowing
exactly what you're there for.
961
01:06:42,931 --> 01:06:47,620
And I remember sliding
Darlene's picture
on the table.
962
01:06:47,724 --> 01:06:50,034
And after a big gulp
from the water,
963
01:06:50,724 --> 01:06:52,517
he looked at it
964
01:06:52,620 --> 01:06:54,896
with a pained expression
before stating that...
965
01:06:57,344 --> 01:06:59,000
...she looks
like his ex-wife.
966
01:07:00,344 --> 01:07:02,068
And he said,
"But I know it's not her."
967
01:07:02,172 --> 01:07:05,034
Once I showed the picture,
it seemed like he wanted
968
01:07:05,137 --> 01:07:08,000
to disassociate himself
with the table, the picture.
969
01:07:13,689 --> 01:07:16,517
Once I laid
Darlene's photograph
on the table,
970
01:07:16,620 --> 01:07:18,896
his demeanor,
kind of, changed.
971
01:07:26,551 --> 01:07:28,931
It was definitely
an eerie feeling,
watching the interview.
972
01:07:29,034 --> 01:07:33,586
And I do remember,
specifically, him saying...
973
01:07:38,344 --> 01:07:39,896
"I had sex
with lots of women,
974
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,620
but I never killed
any of them."
975
01:07:46,275 --> 01:07:48,793
He denied ever seeing her.
976
01:07:54,689 --> 01:07:56,551
Or even knowing
about the murder,
977
01:07:56,655 --> 01:07:59,103
which, to me,
is unbelievable.
978
01:08:10,103 --> 01:08:13,344
And at that time,
he opted to invoke
his right to remain silent.
979
01:08:16,241 --> 01:08:19,137
And I remember standing up
to leave the interview room,
980
01:08:20,068 --> 01:08:21,793
and he looked at me,
and he said,
981
01:08:21,896 --> 01:08:24,034
"How do I defend myself
against this?"
982
01:08:27,551 --> 01:08:29,275
I just thought to myself,
983
01:08:29,379 --> 01:08:31,862
if someone would accuse me
of this heinous crime,
984
01:08:31,965 --> 01:08:33,931
and I was
completely innocent,
985
01:08:34,034 --> 01:08:37,137
I wouldn't have the attitude
of sipping my water
986
01:08:37,241 --> 01:08:39,000
asking,
"How do I defend myself?"
987
01:08:40,931 --> 01:08:45,827
Before leaving the room,
the cops get impressions
of Whyte's teeth.
988
01:08:45,931 --> 01:08:49,793
However, it's 30-plus years
since this murder happened.
989
01:08:49,896 --> 01:08:53,103
Teeth impressions
aren't very meaningful
over that period of time.
990
01:08:54,586 --> 01:08:56,724
He had
a pained expression
on his face.
991
01:08:56,827 --> 01:08:58,620
You could tell that
he was fighting back tears.
992
01:08:58,724 --> 01:09:02,034
It was almost a combination
of extreme anguish
and disbelief.
993
01:09:02,137 --> 01:09:06,241
To me, it was
the face of someone
who worked hard
994
01:09:06,344 --> 01:09:09,241
to prevent this day
from ever occurring,
and here it was happening.
995
01:09:11,517 --> 01:09:14,103
I'm very proud
of the detectives
in the Cold Case Unit,
996
01:09:14,206 --> 01:09:16,620
Isham and Somosky.
997
01:09:16,724 --> 01:09:17,724
They took an oath.
998
01:09:17,827 --> 01:09:19,620
They did what they said
they would do.
999
01:09:29,413 --> 01:09:31,793
It was not until after
we attempted the interview,
1000
01:09:31,896 --> 01:09:35,137
I made the call
to the family.
1001
01:09:35,241 --> 01:09:36,827
You have
the defendant in custody,
1002
01:09:36,931 --> 01:09:38,689
then you tell
the family.
1003
01:09:43,068 --> 01:09:46,379
And Somosky was privileged
to make it.
1004
01:09:46,482 --> 01:09:48,965
Something you don't often
get to do.
1005
01:09:56,758 --> 01:09:58,379
I answered the phone.
1006
01:09:58,482 --> 01:10:00,793
He said, "Paul?"
And I said, "Yes."
1007
01:10:01,586 --> 01:10:05,517
And he said, uh,
"Jo Somosky."
1008
01:10:05,620 --> 01:10:08,655
And it was like,
"Well, hello, detective.
How are you doing?"
1009
01:10:08,758 --> 01:10:11,551
He said,
"I'm doing extremely well."
1010
01:10:11,655 --> 01:10:13,793
So, I asked him
to please go to where
his wife was.
1011
01:10:13,896 --> 01:10:16,448
He said,
"Would you get her
next to you?
1012
01:10:16,551 --> 01:10:18,862
I've got something
I want to tell you.
1013
01:10:18,965 --> 01:10:21,379
And I want you both
to hear it at the same time."
1014
01:10:23,137 --> 01:10:26,724
Paul said, "Come here.
You've got to hear this."
1015
01:10:26,827 --> 01:10:30,344
He said,
"I waited 32 years
to tell you this."
1016
01:10:30,448 --> 01:10:31,827
And I told them,
1017
01:10:31,931 --> 01:10:34,310
"The Army CID
and Colorado Springs
Police Department
1018
01:10:34,413 --> 01:10:36,689
have made an arrest
for the homicide
1019
01:10:36,793 --> 01:10:38,517
of their daughter,
Darlene Krashoc."
1020
01:10:41,793 --> 01:10:45,586
And that's when we heard
they've made an arrest.
1021
01:10:46,517 --> 01:10:48,551
They got him.
1022
01:10:48,655 --> 01:10:51,275
And I know all they could hear
was me screaming.
1023
01:10:52,758 --> 01:10:54,379
That was the best day
of my life.
1024
01:10:55,586 --> 01:10:57,241
They got that sucker.
1025
01:11:17,793 --> 01:11:19,586
I found out.
1026
01:11:19,689 --> 01:11:21,586
I was asleep
on the couch.
1027
01:11:21,689 --> 01:11:23,586
My wife came,
she woke me up,
1028
01:11:23,689 --> 01:11:27,206
I'm like,
"What's going on?
Why you waking me up?"
1029
01:11:27,310 --> 01:11:29,275
And she says,
"They found him!
They found him!"
1030
01:11:29,379 --> 01:11:31,172
I said, "Who?
Who did they find?"
1031
01:11:31,275 --> 01:11:32,310
And she holds up
the telephone.
1032
01:11:33,172 --> 01:11:34,758
My eyes focus on him.
Oh, my God.
1033
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,517
That's him,
with beady eyes, you know?
1034
01:11:38,620 --> 01:11:43,034
Those eyes have been
burned in my head
for, for 32 years.
1035
01:11:43,137 --> 01:11:45,448
I thought to myself,
"You son of a bitch.
1036
01:11:45,551 --> 01:11:49,275
You've been sitting there
all these years,
and you're right there."
1037
01:11:54,344 --> 01:11:58,758
Mr. Whyte comes across
as intelligent, calm,
even arrogant.
1038
01:11:59,275 --> 01:12:00,758
Understands DNA.
1039
01:12:00,862 --> 01:12:02,275
Maintains,
"You got the wrong guy.
1040
01:12:02,379 --> 01:12:04,310
You made
a terrible mistake."
1041
01:12:04,413 --> 01:12:05,931
He wants to go to trial.
1042
01:12:07,413 --> 01:12:09,413
Let's do it.
Let's go to trial.
1043
01:12:11,758 --> 01:12:15,000
I'm talking
with the defense attorney,
1044
01:12:15,103 --> 01:12:17,172
he told me,
"Michael White will
consider no offers.
1045
01:12:17,275 --> 01:12:18,965
He doesn't...
He doesn't want a deal."
1046
01:12:19,068 --> 01:12:20,310
And I asked him, "Why?"
1047
01:12:20,413 --> 01:12:22,206
He said, "Well, frankly,
you're not getting
the evidence in."
1048
01:12:24,172 --> 01:12:27,275
Our biggest
challenge in trial,
without a doubt,
1049
01:12:27,379 --> 01:12:31,000
was making sure
that our evidence was
going to be admitted.
1050
01:12:31,103 --> 01:12:33,275
Charlie Green,
who was the evidence tech
at the time,
1051
01:12:33,379 --> 01:12:35,103
was no longer alive.
1052
01:12:35,206 --> 01:12:37,896
The coroner himself
was no longer alive.
1053
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,758
We'd lost
several other detectives.
1054
01:12:39,862 --> 01:12:42,689
We have to find
a different way
1055
01:12:42,793 --> 01:12:45,517
to have that evidence
admitted at trial.
1056
01:12:45,620 --> 01:12:49,517
So, we had lead detectives
who were present on scene.
1057
01:12:52,137 --> 01:12:54,517
When I got
a phone call from the
District Attorney's office,
1058
01:12:54,620 --> 01:12:57,758
I was filming episodes
of American Detective
at the time.
1059
01:12:57,862 --> 01:13:00,827
And I told my producer,
I said, "Well, that's
pretty interesting.
1060
01:13:00,931 --> 01:13:03,034
We're here talking about
somebody's else's case."
1061
01:13:03,137 --> 01:13:04,482
My mind just rolled up.
1062
01:13:04,586 --> 01:13:05,793
I'm going back to court.
1063
01:13:07,344 --> 01:13:12,103
And when I testified
in the trial for Michael
David Whyte in June 2021...
1064
01:13:13,965 --> 01:13:16,896
I looked at him
as I walked by
the defendant's table.
1065
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,586
And I thought,
"I've been looking for you
for a long time.
1066
01:13:22,896 --> 01:13:24,655
And here you are."
1067
01:13:37,310 --> 01:13:38,758
When I walked
into that courtroom,
1068
01:13:38,862 --> 01:13:40,758
because of
my current notoriety,
1069
01:13:40,862 --> 01:13:42,379
you could hear
a pin drop.
1070
01:13:48,206 --> 01:13:50,551
Every head in the jury box
is looking at me.
1071
01:13:51,724 --> 01:13:54,275
Every head in the gallery
is looking at me.
1072
01:13:55,620 --> 01:13:57,758
The only one not looking at me
was Michael Whyte.
1073
01:13:58,896 --> 01:14:01,172
He was looking
straight ahead.
1074
01:14:01,275 --> 01:14:04,206
My nerves, really, rested
with the victim's family.
1075
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:06,965
Paul and Betty
had been struggling
1076
01:14:07,068 --> 01:14:10,551
with unanswered questions,
uh, for 30-plus years.
1077
01:14:10,655 --> 01:14:14,724
I think there was
some concern there
what was gonna happen
1078
01:14:14,827 --> 01:14:16,517
when I first laid
eyes on him.
1079
01:14:17,620 --> 01:14:19,931
And we did lock eyes.
1080
01:14:20,034 --> 01:14:24,517
And he knew
exactly who we were.
1081
01:14:27,448 --> 01:14:29,931
Hmm.
1082
01:14:32,137 --> 01:14:33,413
Really...
1083
01:14:34,724 --> 01:14:36,758
Nothing. I don't feel
anything for him.
1084
01:14:37,793 --> 01:14:38,620
I don't.
1085
01:14:40,034 --> 01:14:42,310
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yes, indeed.
1086
01:14:43,172 --> 01:14:44,689
Yes, I did.
1087
01:14:47,310 --> 01:14:49,482
Mmm. I don't wanna say.
1088
01:14:53,310 --> 01:14:55,448
I went
and took the stand
and explained,
1089
01:14:55,551 --> 01:14:56,931
at the time
this crime occurred,
1090
01:14:57,034 --> 01:14:59,482
I was a sergeant
and supervisor in Homicide.
1091
01:15:00,379 --> 01:15:02,448
Joe's primary role
in all of this
1092
01:15:02,551 --> 01:15:05,482
was to help
paint the jury a picture
1093
01:15:05,586 --> 01:15:08,206
of what detective work
looked like back at the time.
1094
01:15:09,448 --> 01:15:12,965
Joe testified that
DNA was in its infancy,
1095
01:15:13,068 --> 01:15:14,551
and they didn't know
exactly what it was.
1096
01:15:14,655 --> 01:15:19,034
They just knew that
there was a chance that
this futuristic technology
1097
01:15:19,137 --> 01:15:21,758
might one day exist,
and they wanted to be careful
1098
01:15:21,862 --> 01:15:24,551
in the event that
they would be able to use
that information.
1099
01:15:26,068 --> 01:15:30,000
We then proceeded to discuss
the tagging and marking
of evidence.
1100
01:15:36,172 --> 01:15:39,620
How and where
it was recovered,
and by whom.
1101
01:15:39,724 --> 01:15:44,000
And by what method
was it marked
and eventually restored.
1102
01:15:44,103 --> 01:15:46,413
He was able
to illustrate for the jury
1103
01:15:46,517 --> 01:15:49,655
the level of care
Charlie Green
was notorious for.
1104
01:15:54,413 --> 01:15:56,137
Charlie Green
wasn't somebody
1105
01:15:56,241 --> 01:15:58,827
who was known
for making mistakes
or cutting corners.
1106
01:15:58,931 --> 01:16:00,655
I had no difficulty
testifying to this,
1107
01:16:00,758 --> 01:16:03,034
because I was confident
we had done the right thing,
1108
01:16:03,137 --> 01:16:04,620
because we always do
the right thing.
1109
01:16:07,620 --> 01:16:09,827
And following that testimony,
I was excused.
1110
01:16:12,172 --> 01:16:14,137
And we got
some pushback
from the judge.
1111
01:16:15,103 --> 01:16:18,241
I think Ben and I
lost years of our lives
1112
01:16:18,344 --> 01:16:21,310
wondering what that ruling
was going to be.
1113
01:16:21,413 --> 01:16:22,862
There was
a lot of stress
1114
01:16:22,965 --> 01:16:24,655
going into
that bench conference.
1115
01:16:27,137 --> 01:16:30,551
While the judge
was considering that,
it was eerie quiet.
1116
01:16:34,758 --> 01:16:37,344
If the judge had ruled
that those items of evidence
1117
01:16:37,448 --> 01:16:38,965
would have been excluded
from the trial,
1118
01:16:39,068 --> 01:16:40,448
that would have been
the end of the trial.
1119
01:16:43,034 --> 01:16:45,068
And when he admitted
that first item of evidence,
1120
01:16:45,172 --> 01:16:47,551
I took my first
relaxed breath.
1121
01:16:52,448 --> 01:16:56,379
I think we were pretty certain
that Michael Whyte
would take the stand,
1122
01:16:56,482 --> 01:16:59,310
just because there's
an arrogance about him.
1123
01:16:59,413 --> 01:17:02,275
And when he took the stand,
he was adamant
1124
01:17:02,379 --> 01:17:04,655
that he didn't remember
Darlene Krashoc.
1125
01:17:04,758 --> 01:17:09,448
I found that hard to believe
because this case was
all over the media in 1987.
1126
01:17:09,551 --> 01:17:11,103
He testified on the stand,
1127
01:17:11,206 --> 01:17:13,793
"I did not kill
Darlene Krashoc."
1128
01:17:13,896 --> 01:17:16,275
He didn't know
anything about it.
And I thought,
1129
01:17:16,379 --> 01:17:19,758
"Really? Fort Carson,
and you didn't hear?
1130
01:17:19,862 --> 01:17:21,103
Mmm. No."
1131
01:17:21,206 --> 01:17:23,827
Michael Whyte's statement
to his attorney,
essentially, was,
1132
01:17:23,931 --> 01:17:26,482
that it's possible
he could have come
in contact with her,
1133
01:17:26,586 --> 01:17:28,551
and that he would have
sexual encounters
1134
01:17:28,655 --> 01:17:30,137
sometimes in the bathroom
of the bar,
1135
01:17:30,241 --> 01:17:31,448
sometimes in his car.
1136
01:17:31,551 --> 01:17:36,103
Their theory was that
this DNA had all gotten
on Darlene
1137
01:17:36,206 --> 01:17:37,275
through transferred DNA.
1138
01:17:39,724 --> 01:17:42,586
But that evidence
came in the form
of the clothes hanger
1139
01:17:42,689 --> 01:17:44,379
that was wrapped around
her neck and mouth,
1140
01:17:44,482 --> 01:17:45,965
and fashioned like
a horse bridle.
1141
01:17:46,068 --> 01:17:48,655
The secret buds, obviously,
that were found at the scene
of the crime.
1142
01:17:48,758 --> 01:17:50,379
Certainly,
there's no good answer
1143
01:17:50,482 --> 01:17:52,379
for Michael Whyte
on the cigarette butts.
1144
01:17:52,482 --> 01:17:55,758
The defense tried to argue
that this was transfer DNA.
1145
01:17:55,862 --> 01:17:59,034
That theory is debunked
when you combine that
1146
01:17:59,137 --> 01:18:00,275
with the three
cigarette buds
1147
01:18:00,379 --> 01:18:02,551
that are found
next to her body.
1148
01:18:02,655 --> 01:18:07,482
Because the person
who randomly decided
to rape and kill her,
1149
01:18:07,586 --> 01:18:10,344
without leaving
any of their own DNA,
1150
01:18:10,448 --> 01:18:12,103
wouldn't have had
Michael Whyte's
1151
01:18:12,206 --> 01:18:14,034
three cigarette buds
from that night.
1152
01:18:14,137 --> 01:18:17,517
In 1987, nobody knew
what the hell DNA was.
1153
01:18:17,620 --> 01:18:20,517
So there was no way
that they could make
that argument
1154
01:18:20,620 --> 01:18:22,068
that somebody was trying
to frame him
1155
01:18:22,172 --> 01:18:25,310
by placing his cigarette buds
at the scene of the crime,
1156
01:18:25,413 --> 01:18:30,137
because they would have had
no way of knowing that DNA
was even a technology
1157
01:18:30,241 --> 01:18:32,965
that the police
could have investigated
at that time.
1158
01:18:34,724 --> 01:18:38,310
In a case like this,
obviously, one of our
biggest hurdles
1159
01:18:38,413 --> 01:18:41,793
is that we don't know exactly
how this all went down.
1160
01:18:41,896 --> 01:18:44,275
Because this investigation
has been completed,
1161
01:18:44,379 --> 01:18:45,931
we are now
in a position to say
1162
01:18:48,103 --> 01:18:53,551
on the 17th of March,
1987, St. Patrick's Day,
1163
01:18:53,655 --> 01:18:59,068
Darlene decides,
"I'm going out tonight
to Shuffles with two friends."
1164
01:19:04,206 --> 01:19:06,586
We can say,
with some degree
of certainty...
1165
01:19:16,137 --> 01:19:19,344
that when Mr. Whyte sees her,
he dances with her.
1166
01:19:23,344 --> 01:19:26,310
Lord is a guy
that remembers things.
1167
01:19:26,413 --> 01:19:29,896
And he sees the picture
of Michael Whyte,
and he identifies him.
1168
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,241
"That's the guy
with the beady eyes."
Instantly.
1169
01:19:33,482 --> 01:19:36,931
I'm sure. 100%.
That's him.
1170
01:19:37,034 --> 01:19:40,862
Later, she doesn't have
two men with her,
she's alone.
1171
01:19:40,965 --> 01:19:43,275
He either convinced her
he would give her a ride,
1172
01:19:43,379 --> 01:19:45,206
or asked her
for another drink.
1173
01:19:45,310 --> 01:19:46,620
Who knows?
We don't know.
1174
01:19:49,137 --> 01:19:51,758
But she probably
willingly went with him.
1175
01:19:51,862 --> 01:19:55,310
And then,
somewhere along that line,
something went very wrong.
1176
01:19:58,034 --> 01:20:00,000
Michael Whyte
said during interrogation,
1177
01:20:00,103 --> 01:20:02,103
"She looks
just like my ex-wife."
1178
01:20:03,931 --> 01:20:06,551
Was that
his attraction to her?
1179
01:20:06,655 --> 01:20:10,482
Was that the foundation
of his rage towards her?
1180
01:20:11,965 --> 01:20:14,517
You can say that,
you can't prove it.
1181
01:20:15,310 --> 01:20:17,068
But it does
make you wonder.
1182
01:20:25,517 --> 01:20:28,448
We don't know
the crime scene,
location.
1183
01:20:28,551 --> 01:20:30,482
But Mr. Whyte
loses control.
1184
01:20:35,206 --> 01:20:37,241
Does terrible things
to her body.
1185
01:20:40,034 --> 01:20:43,758
A bridle around her mouth
from twisted coat hangers.
1186
01:20:43,862 --> 01:20:47,517
Applies enough pressure
to kill her from asphyxia.
1187
01:20:52,965 --> 01:20:56,551
He then dumps her body
next to a dumpster.
1188
01:20:56,655 --> 01:20:59,241
One of the things
that's surprising about
that crime scene,
1189
01:20:59,344 --> 01:21:02,413
three cigarettes consumed,
down to the filters,
1190
01:21:05,103 --> 01:21:07,172
all three contain his DNA.
1191
01:21:08,931 --> 01:21:11,344
It takes a few minutes
to smoke a cigarette,
1192
01:21:11,448 --> 01:21:13,034
but he smoked
three of them.
1193
01:21:14,379 --> 01:21:16,103
What was he doing?
1194
01:21:16,206 --> 01:21:17,310
Admiring his work?
1195
01:21:21,413 --> 01:21:23,103
Calming down?
1196
01:21:23,206 --> 01:21:24,758
Try to stop his panic?
1197
01:21:38,586 --> 01:21:41,068
At the very moment
that he was having
those thoughts
1198
01:21:41,172 --> 01:21:43,034
that no one's
ever going to know,
1199
01:21:45,551 --> 01:21:51,137
there was a British
research doctor at work
on a DNA analysis tool
1200
01:21:51,241 --> 01:21:55,758
that would allow
people to identify
Michael David Whyte
1201
01:21:57,344 --> 01:21:59,586
over 30 years later.
1202
01:22:03,793 --> 01:22:06,379
Nobody expected
a quick verdict.
1203
01:22:08,965 --> 01:22:11,827
In this case,
they deliberated for
about three hours.
1204
01:22:12,862 --> 01:22:15,965
And the judge
brought the jury in.
1205
01:22:16,068 --> 01:22:18,000
"Have you reached
a verdict?"
1206
01:22:19,206 --> 01:22:22,689
She said,
"On the first count
of first-degree murder,
1207
01:22:22,793 --> 01:22:24,413
with deliberation...
1208
01:22:27,620 --> 01:22:30,206
we, the jury,
find him guilty."
1209
01:22:32,724 --> 01:22:34,137
Guilty.
1210
01:22:34,241 --> 01:22:36,034
And that's all
we needed to hear.
1211
01:22:36,931 --> 01:22:38,068
Guilty.
1212
01:22:39,793 --> 01:22:42,620
It was like the world
lifted off of our shoulders.
1213
01:22:42,724 --> 01:22:44,103
A flood of emotions.
1214
01:22:45,310 --> 01:22:47,275
Guilty, guilty, guilty.
1215
01:22:50,482 --> 01:22:54,241
Michael Whyte was sentenced
to life with the possibility
of parole.
1216
01:22:54,344 --> 01:22:57,068
But given
Michael Whyte's age,
1217
01:22:57,172 --> 01:23:00,896
I don't think he's going
to be able to make it
to his parole.
1218
01:23:03,137 --> 01:23:05,758
Three decades later,
an arrest was made,
1219
01:23:05,862 --> 01:23:09,206
and a jury convicted
Michael Whyte
of first-degree murder.
1220
01:23:09,310 --> 01:23:12,551
Her parents say,
"Justice has been served."
1221
01:23:12,655 --> 01:23:15,448
The crime he committed
was one of enormous violence,
1222
01:23:15,551 --> 01:23:17,137
savage behavior.
1223
01:23:17,241 --> 01:23:19,655
Worst I've ever seen
in a sex crime.
1224
01:23:19,758 --> 01:23:21,931
And now, Mr. Whyte
is gonna pay for that,
1225
01:23:22,034 --> 01:23:26,379
and he will die
in a 6x9 concrete room,
1226
01:23:26,482 --> 01:23:28,172
where he belongs.
1227
01:23:32,172 --> 01:23:33,310
Um...
1228
01:23:34,482 --> 01:23:36,448
commitment to Darlene.
1229
01:23:36,551 --> 01:23:38,379
Can't undo that.
1230
01:23:39,344 --> 01:23:41,655
But you gotta do
what you can.
1231
01:23:46,620 --> 01:23:48,517
I love you, baby girl.
1232
01:23:49,724 --> 01:23:52,000
I always called her
my baby girl.
1233
01:23:54,206 --> 01:23:56,620
And she knows.
1234
01:24:04,172 --> 01:24:06,965
Mr. Whyte
didn't realize something
that's quite significant.
1235
01:24:11,310 --> 01:24:14,000
He believed that
that moment in his life
passed by...
1236
01:24:18,551 --> 01:24:20,034
and he survived it.
1237
01:24:20,896 --> 01:24:22,275
He got away with it.
1238
01:24:24,482 --> 01:24:27,413
But there were
always footsteps
behind him.
1239
01:24:32,931 --> 01:24:34,275
Always.
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