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In the criminal justice
system,

the people are represented

by two separate,
yet equally important groups:

the police,
who investigate crime,

and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.

These are their stories.

We're trying to carve out
a middle ground--

a place where these issues
can be discussed

in a civil manner.
- Only if we agree with you.

If we disagree, then we're
suddenly idiots or hicks.

- That's not true.
- I see and hear it

every day, Derek--

liberals refusing to discuss
issues that really matter:

economic issues,
geopolitical issues--

as far as I can see, the only
thing you guys wanna talk about

is identity politics;

gender, race, sexual identity.

I swear to God,
it's like you spend

all your time and energy just
inventing ways to be offended.

But it's more complicated
than that.

No! No.

See, there you go again,
pandering to us morons,

'cause we can't
quite grasp the subtleties

of the complex
liberal platform.

I just think we need
to talk about these issues

in a serious, honest way.

There's a middle road here,
a way to bridge the gap.

We need to have
more conversations--

Do you believe the leaders
of the Democratic Party

are involved
in the sexual exploitation

of underage boys and girls?

- Are you really doing this?
- Doing what?

Talking about
this QAnon crap.

You told me--

you promised me
this would be a civil,

constructive conversation,

that we'd debate the issues.

You still haven't answered
the question, Mr. Hoyt.

Go to hell.

People can sit
in their basement apartment

surrounded by cats and
pizza boxes and just spew hate.

Yeah, 'cause there
aren't any consequences.

You can't fight back either.

You tweet back?
You're a troll.

Two weeks ago,
this idiot called me a racist,

because I said
- Jay-
- Z is overrated.

Like, what?

Back in the day, if you
wanted to call out someone,

you did it in person,
face-to-face.

And you just might get
your damn ass kicked too--

911.
What's your emergency?

I'm on the corner
of 29th and 10th.

Someone just got hit by a bus.
- And what's his condition?

He's bleeding.
It's really bad.

You all witnessed it.

Why are we here,
Officer Washington?

'Cause it wasn't an accident.

Two witnesses saw some dude

push the DOA
in front of the bus.

These witnesses
get a good look at the guy?

No.

He was wearing a facemask
and a dark winter hat.

What about the bus driver?

She didn't wanna talk.

Said she's too upset.

Did he seem mentally ill?

Did he say anything specific?

No,
he just rolled up on the dude

and shoved him
into the street.

You got a good look at him.
Did you see his complexion?

Uh, he was white,

maybe brown.

I couldn't really tell,
'cause he was wearing

a facemask
and a dark ski hat.

Okay.
What was his body type?

Was he tall, or short,
heavyset, thin?

5'10", but he definitely
wasn't skinny.

More like beefy.

Thank you.

What do you got?

Downloaded
the bus cam footage.

Wow.

That's a lot of hate
behind that push.

Question is why?

I have no idea why someone
would wanna kill Derek.

It doesn't make sense.

Did you and Derek
have any problems?

No.
Everything was great.

Forgive me for asking,
it's just part of the process.

Were either you or your husband
involved with anyone else?

No, nothing like that.

Did Derek gamble, drink?

Uh,

maybe a glass of wine
here and there, but...

He was a good person.

He loved being a father,
a husband.

He was going to run
for Congress too.

He wanted to...

give back,
make a difference.

It sounds cliché,
but he really meant it.

I'll be there in a minute.

Go play with Laura, okay?

Uh, if you can think
of anything else,

would you give us a call?

Yeah.

It might be nothing, but
Derek got into an argument

with another man
a few weeks ago.

We were having dinner, and...

this guy started
yelling at him.

It got really heated.

Do you remember what
they were arguing about?

No, he just kept calling
Derek a liar and a phony.

Then Derek pushed him away.

Yeah, Derek and I got into it
pretty good that night.

Wasn't a big deal, though.

Just a couple of alpha dogs
barking at each other.

What were you two
barking about?

I tried to buy his firm,
but he sold it to someone else.

Offered him 50% more
than I did.

You were pissed
that another company

wanted to pay more money?

I was pissed
because he didn't give me

a chance to counter.

Pissed enough to shove him
in front of a bus?

Please.

I loved Derek.
- I saw the video.

I didn't see
a lot of love there.

What you saw was
two real men talking business--

face-to-face, no lawyers,
no PR, no social media.

Just a couple of grown-ass men
gettin' after it.

Unfortunately,
Derek is now dead.

And that sucks.

Like I said,
he was a good dude.

Did you talk to or see him
after the altercation

at the restaurant?
- Yeah, met him for coffee

a few days ago.

Like a real man?

Pledged a million dollars
to his campaign too.

- Hm.
- And that was the last time

you saw him?
- Well, technically,

the last time was
in front of his building.

He shook my hand,
said thanks, and that was that.

Did he mention
anything unusual,

maybe somebody harassing him?

There was this guy
following us.

Looked like
he was taking photos too.

Do you remember
what he looked like?

White, about 50,

average height.

He was wearing a Phillies hat.

Think I got something.

What do you got?

Look at this guy
with the camera.

Can you zoom in,
get a better look at his face?

No,
that's the best I can do.

Take a look at that jacket.

NYPD Fighting 19th Softball.

Guy's a cop.

Or a softball groupie.

Send that over to the 19th.
See if anyone recognizes him.

Yeah, that's me.

I was followin' the guy
on the right, Derek Hoyt.

Why?

Got hired about a month ago
to find some dirt.

But I came up empty.
Guy's squeaky clean.

Then last week, they asked me
to give it another whirl.

What were they
hoping to find?

Don't know.
Didn't ask.

Gotta pay the bills, bro.

Hell of a way to do it.

Do me a favor.
Don't judge.

During the course of your,
uh, investigation,

did you happen
to find anything of concern?

No, nothing even close.

So who hired you?

Who was looking for
all this dirt on Derek Hoyt?

That's so crazy.

I just interviewed him
this morning.

- Mm.
- So how can I help?

Well, you can start by, uh,
telling us why you hired

a P.I. to dig up dirt
on Mr. Hoyt.

What's that got to do
with him gettin' hit by a bus?

I don't know, maybe nothin'.

We're trying to figure out

why someone
would try to kill him.

I don't know.
I know he was planning

on running for Congress,

and that the power brokers
in the Democratic Party

were talking about him like he
was the, uh, next big thing--

AOC with some brains.

Uh, that was a joke. Sorry.

Didn't mean to offend
your left-wing sensibilities.

No, you didn't offend us.
It wasn't funny.

Oh, tough crowd.

More like impatient.
We're investigating a murder.

You're right, you're right.
I'm sorry.

I'd heard some rumors
about Hoyt,

so I hired a P.I. for him,
to look into him.

I didn't want to publish
anything without confirmation.

Hm, because of your
journalistic integrity?

What kind of rumors?

I'd rather not comment
on that.

You know, now that he's gone,

there's no need
to besmirch the deceased.

Ha!

- Yeah.
- Now, that's funny.

You know, you pretending
to have ethical standards.

Your whole mission is to
cultivate hate and mistrust.

I run a media business,
all right?

I give the people
what they want--

real people--

real, honest, hardworking,
middle-class people

who love this country

who can't relate
to the rich, coastal elites

who control the media
and the political narrative.

Come on, you really think
some roofer from Akron

with a mortgage and three kids

gives a rat's ass
about somebody's pronoun?

So you...don't believe
liberals eat babies,

or that Black people's
obsession with racism

is destroying the country?

It doesn't matter
what I believe.

It matters what sells.

And destroying Hoyt
would sell?

Yeah, destroying him
would've been a home run.

But he's gone.

So we'll just have to find

another Democratic heartthrob
to lambaste.

So far,
we're coming up empty.

Victim is a choir boy.

No vices, no motives,

even that right-wing prick, Reed,

can't dig up any dirt on him.

Yeah, could just be
a random act of violence--

an emotionally unstable guy
acting on impulse.

Well, it's possible,
but keep digging

into this Jordan Reed angle.

He said there were
some rumors swirling,

so let's find out
what they were.

- Mm-hmm.
- Think I know!

Computer Crimes
just did a deep dive

on the victim's
electronic devices--

found some deleted emails

filled with
veiled death threats.

"You're a gutless pig.
You deserve to die."

Know where they came from?

No, they were sent
from an untraceable app.

Good news is,
if you want to call it that,

pretty sure I know why
these guys are threatening him.

Found this
on his deleted email folder.

This young girl Hoyt's with
is definitely not his daughter.

So much for being
a choir boy.

This doesn't make any sense.
Where'd you get these photos?

Off his computer.

There's no way Derek
would ever be involved.

No, well,
these are just photos, ma'am,

we don't have any proof of
anything illegal at the moment.

We're just trying to ID
the young girls in the photos

so we can contact
their parents.

Sorry,
it's just the way it is.

Do you know these two girls?

I know her.

She goes
to my daughter's school.

It's a good thing this
sick son of a bitch is dead.

Mm.

So you were unaware
of these pictures?

Never seen them before?
- Correct.

Mm-hmm, I'm gonna give you a
mulligan on that one, Stewart.

Excuse me?

Bad idea to lie
to the police.

That's you, isn't it,
bangin' on Hoyt's front door?

Okay, I was...aware.

A friend called, said there
were some photos circulating

on some right-wing chat room.

I flipped out.
I ran over to Hoyt's building.

I wanted to talk to him--
no, you know what?

I wanted to beat his ass
into the ground.

But he wasn't home.

So you never got the chance
to confront him

about these photos?
- No.

I tried, trust me.
But he died.

Got hit by a car.
- Bus.

A bus someone pushed him
in front of.

- You asking me if I--
- We are.

No, I didn't kill him.

You know who this girl is?

Yeah, that's Kimberly Ryan.

She's on the same
basketball team

as my daughter
and Hoyt's daughter.

That's definitely
my daughter,

but she's never
been alone with Hoyt, ever.

I'm not sure how he--

Maybe at a basketball game,
or a sleepover.

No, our kids
aren't really friends.

Can I look
at those photos again?

Yeah.

My daughter's clothing
and her facial expressions,

they match what's on
my wife's social media feed.

Yeah, see?

Same smile,
same clothes,

same body angle.

Someone photoshopped these.

Well,
the techs just confirmed

the pictures are fake.

So Hoyt wasn't a pedophile?

He was a victim
of an online smear campaign?

Ah, sure seems like that.

Hey, sorry to interrupt,

but I'm scrolling through
this online forum

where the photos of Hoyt
were circulating,

and it is crazy.

There's lots of chatter about
JFK Jr. being alive,

and high-ranking democrats
sex-trafficking underage kids.

But one guy stands out as being
the craziest of the crazies.

Someone named "Warri0r-p0se"

posted some pretty
outrageous statements.

"Hoyt will never touch
another young girl."

And he posted one
this morning too at 11:12 a.m.

an hour after the murder.

"Hoyt is no longer a problem.

God bless America."

Run down the IP address
right away.

I already did.
Post was sent from a café

in Brooklyn called
Coffee and Smile.

- Oh.
- Mm.

Why has it become mandatory
for coffee shops

to be called stupid names?

That's why I drink tea.

Talk to the manager.
See if they have video,

and see if you can find out
who sent those posts.

- All right.
- You got it.

Hey.

Manny Lopez!
- Yeah?

Yeah, we need to talk.

- About what?
- Is that you drinking coffee

at a place
called Coffee and Smile?

- Is that a crime?
- Uh, no, not yet.

But the way things are going,
who knows?

Might be considered racist
someday soon.

It's only a matter of time,
huh?

Well, there is a crime

against pushing someone
in front of a bus.

That's why we're really here.

Come on.

Let's take a ride down
to the precinct.

Manny, we, uh--
we analyzed your emails

and your chat history.

You weren't the biggest fan
of Derek Hoyt.

Don't worry, bro.
There's more.

We found video of you near the
intersection of 29th and 10th

right around the time
Hoyt was murdered.

Look at you, plain as day,

one block from the crime scene

about 65 seconds
before Hoyt was killed.

There you are again,
walking east on 29th Street

right behind Hoyt about
35 seconds before he was pushed.

You want to get ahead of this,

tell us your side of the story?

Derek Hoyt was a senior
member of the liberal,

sex-crazed cabal
that is destroying our country.

He planned to kidnap
a young kid!

So you killed him?

Damn right!

I love this country.

So I did what I had to do.

Yeah, you sure did.
Now you gotta pay the tab, bro.

What does that mean?

It means you're under arrest
for murder.

Hold on, big fella!
Hold on.

The People ask for remand,
Your Honor.

We believe the defendant
is a flight risk,

given the potential
penalty he's facing.

Mr. Lopez has no priors,

has substantial ties
to New York.

Bail is set at $2 million.

That's prohibitive.

Mr. Lopez doesn't have access
to that kind of money.

- I'm not so sure about that.
- Excuse me?

My clerk informed me
that apparently

some self-proclaimed patriot

started a GoFundMe page
for Mr. Lopez.

Already raised $900,000.

Bail is set at $2 million.

Next case.

Been reviewing
the most recent posts

in Manny's favorite chat room,
Rogue Wave.

There's lots of crazy chatter

about Hoyt trafficking
young kids,

straight out
of the QAnon playbook.

"Credible intel says Hoyt
is abducting young children,

"selling them
to sex-traffickers

in Washington, DC."

The next day, which is
the actual day of the murder,

the same person sent this:

"FBI contact says
Hoyt is carrying out

"a kidnapping plot tonight.

Unfortunately, feds don't have
enough evidence to arrest."

Right after that,
the same person sent this:

"Who out there is brave enough
to take action and protect

our great country from
the corrupt liberal cabal?"

So this poster is just
inventing inflammatory lies,

hoping to rile up the masses?

It was even more targeted
than that.

He knew his audience.

He was looking to rile up
the specific people

who already believe
these ridiculous lies.

We know who this person is?

No,
email address is encrypted,

but he's definitely
the ringleader.

He's the one who posted
the phony pedophile photos too.

So if Manny actually believed
what this poster was saying,

killing Hoyt to thwart
the alleged kidnapping

actually makes some sense.

I mean, even though it's crazy.

Good chance Manny's going
to claim justification--

thought Hoyt was going
to kidnap a young girl,

so he kills Hoyt
to save the young girl.

Even though there
really wasn't a young girl

in harm's way.
- Exactly.

That's obviously a stretch, but

it'll give Manny's lawyer
a chance

to talk about
the liberal lunatics,

the alleged
sex trafficking ring--

Make it about politics,
not law.

Which means
anything is possible.

Call Cosgrove and Bernard.

Have them talk to HTAU
and track down the IP address

of this ringleader.

We need to figure out

why he was so invested
in destroying Hoyt,

and if he's connected
to this murder.

On it.

Sorry, guys.
We're recording.

Kennel of troglodytes.
The U.S. government has...

- Reed.
- Literally--

We need to talk.

What is goin' on?
Wha--

Ladies and gentlemen,

two policemen have just entered
my studio.

My guess is, the liberal mafia
gave 'em a call,

told 'em to come on down here,

and stomp on
my First Amendment rights,

and that's how it is
these days, right?

You don't like what
a true patriot is saying,

you take away their voice.
You stomp on their rights

to say what they believe,
or better yet,

you send the police after 'em.

Get off the damn mic, man.
We have business to discuss.

You have a warrant?

We'd just like to ask you
a few questions.

I'm not saying a damn word.
Get the hell out of my studio.

Watch yourself, Reed.

Oh, the, uh, Black detective
is now threatening me.

Why did you post those
crazy lies about Derek Hoyt?

- Get out!
- Hmm?

- Now!
- Why did you post--

Detective,
I'm not saying it again.

You heard me, Detective!
Get out!

Kev, it's not worth it.

You think Jordan Reed
was an accomplice?

Oh, he stirred him up,
that's for sure.

He posted all kind
of outrageous lies

and made Hoyt into a pedophile,
but there's more.

Reed began to communicate
directly with the defendant.

We found lots of phone calls
between the two of them

on the day prior to
and on the day of the murder.

Any legitimate reason for
these two to be communicating?

Reed is an Ivy League elitist
who grew up on 5th Avenue,

Manny's a day laborer
from Staten Island.

You think
they were discussing

Hoyt's imminent demise?

Wanna trade up,

hold Reed accountable?

Okay.

Talk to the defendant.

See if he'll cooperate.

We know you pushed Derek Hoyt
in front of that bus.

Good news, for you,
is we think Jordan Reed

is really the one responsible.

We're happy to cooperate

if you can reduce
the charge to Man One.

No promises.

We'll listen to what
he has to say.

Come back with a deal
in writing.

Just answer their questions,
Manny, and nothing you say

can be used against you.

You and Reed talked
on the phone several times

before and after the murder.

What did you two discuss?

We talked about
a lot of things.

The country,

the left-wing fascists
trying to take over the country.

Did Reed talk to you
about killing Derek Hoyt?

Reed's a good guy.

He's a straight shooter.

No, he's a liar and a fraud.

He was playing you, Manny.

Hoyt wasn't a pedophile.

He was a law-abiding family man
who wanted to run for Congress.

Sure, that's what
the liberal media says.

No, that's what the facts say.

Reed is using you
and your chat room friends

to become a billionaire.

For God sakes, Manny.

You worry about you, not Reed.

Now, you tell them
what you two talked about.

He said Hoyt
was very dangerous,

a threat to the country,

that the wave was coming,
and that he needed people

to neutralize
that left-wing threat,

people willing to take bold
and decisive action.

Did he ask you to kill him?

He kept using the word
"neutralize,"

but I knew what he meant.

Did you expect anything
in return for killing Hoyt--

money, a car?

He said that his company
rewards true patriots,

those willing to take action,
that kind of thing, you know?

Docket number CR 54378-22,

People versus Jordan Reed,
Murder in the First Degree.

How does the defendant plead?

Not guilty, Your Honor.

- People on bail?
- Remand.

The defendant is a flight risk.

He has access to private jets,

foreign political leaders--

This is preposterous,
Your Honor.

My client has done
nothing wrong.

He's committed no crime.

Not his fault some lunatic

pushed Derek Hoyt
in front of a bus.

Bail is set at $1 million.

Next case.

all chanting:

Free Jordan Reed!
Free Jordan Reed!

So much
for the home field advantage.

Reed definitely
has a hardcore following.

That's why we're here
in the first place.

all chanting:
Free Jordan Reed!

Derek Hoyt was a kind,
decent husband and father.

He was also
an aspiring politician

with a bright future.

So in search of
salacious headlines,

the defendant created
a false narrative

that Derek Hoyt
was a pedophile--

that he was part of a depraved
sex-trafficking ring

that preyed
on underage children.

To help perpetuate
this disgraceful fiction,

he disseminated fake photos
of Derek Hoyt

and young girls on the internet.

You see,

inventing mythical enemies

is a part of
the defendant's business model.

He creates clickbait.

He provides exciting
liberal enemies

for his followers to hate.

He then posts about
these dangerous fascists

- and anti-
- Americans on his websites,

talks about them
on his streaming platforms

and podcasts,
but the only thing

he really cares about
is money.

Monetizing
the outrage and venom.

That's how the defendant built

his billion dollar
media empire.

In simplest terms,
the defendant made Derek Hoyt

an enemy of the far-right,

then offered Manny Lopez

a misguided, but intelligent
patriotic ex-marine

a financial reward
to kill that enemy,

and Manny Lopez did.

He pushed him
in front of a bus.

Tomorrow, you'll hear
from Mr. Lopez himself.

He will describe this
murder-for-hire arrangement

in more detail
and make it clear

the defendant
should be held accountable

for Mr. Hoyt's death.

Sometimes,

murder trials
can be complicated.

Now, sometimes, there's--
there's lots of science,

blood evidence,
contradictory testimony.

But sometimes, they're easy.

The answer is sittin' there
right in front of you.

It's so simple and clear,
it's almost confusing.

This is one of those cases.

Manny Lopez pushed Derek Hoyt
in front of a bus.

Jordan Reed didn't.

To hold him guilty for
another man's act of violence

is contrary
to the intent of the law,

and a dangerous attempt
to criminalize

the expression of free speech.

If I say the coach of the
New York Jets is terrible--

Right? I mean he's an idiot--

he deserves to die.

And the next day,
some lunatic kills him,

pushes him in front of a bus,
for example.

Am I responsible for what this
deranged football fan did?

No, of course not.

Manny Lopez killed Derek Hoyt.

Jordan Reed did not.

Like I said,

sometimes, cases are easy.

Okay, we're adjourned.

Notify the judge.

- I'll--
- I'll head down to the hospital.

Excuse me,
I'm looking for Manuel Lopez.

I was told
he was just rushed to the ER.

- And you are?
- Assistant District Attorney

Nolan Price.
Manny's supposed to be

testifying in a murder trial
tomorrow morning.

Well, I'm afraid
that's not possible.

He's dead.

He's dead?

He hanged himself earlier
this morning in his cell.

We tried to revive him, but
there was nothing we could do.

Your Honor, the People's case
was predicated

on Manny Lopez's testimony.

He was, in effect,
the only piece of evidence

that could establish
that Mr. Reed hired him

to kill the victim.

So without Manny,

it's literally impossible
to prove murder-for-hire.

No Manny, no case.
Simple as that.

Mr. Price, that true?

Is Mr. Lopez
the only ace up your sleeve?

Do you have anything else that
gives you a puncher's chance

to prove your case?
- Not at the moment.

Then I'm going to grant
the motion to dismiss.

I have no objection
to dismissing

the murder-for-hire charge.

But we'd still like to proceed

with the lesser-included
offense, Murder Two.

Under what theory?

Your client showed
a depraved indifference

to human life.
- Oh, this is ridiculous.

Reed's lies, his posts,
and photos incited Manny Lopez

to commit murder.

He knew,
or should have known,

that his repeated fabrications
would likely cause

one of his ardent followers
to kill Derek Hoyt.

Is this a joke?
You wanna try Reed for murder

based on a series
of stupid chat room posts?

That's exactly what
I wanna do.

Chat room posts,

social media rants,
they're protected

under the First Amendment.

Jordan Reed can say
whatever the hell he wants.

He could talk about
liberal cannibals

and underage sex trafficking
rings all day long.

Your client yelled "fire"
in a crowded movie theater,

and Derek Hoyt
got trampled to death.

We have every right
to move forward on Murder Two.

I agree with Mr. Price.
There's a case here.

I'm not sure if it's winnable,
but it's certainly triable.

So let's do it.

When the photos
were enlarged,

significant pixelation
and discoloring were evident--

two telltale signs
of alteration.

So they're fake?
They were photoshopped?

Yes, the images
from the young girls'

legitimate social accounts were
copied and then transposed

onto photos with Derek Hoyt
and vice-versa.

These fake photos were posted
to a virtual community

called Rogue Wave,
a place where believers

in the so-called
QAnon conspiracy theory

gather to share ideas.

Were you able to determine

which IP address
they were sent from?

Yes.
IP address 198.51.100.0/24.

These statements were
also posted to Rogue Wave.

Do you know which IP address
they came from?

Yes, same one.

And were you able to trace
that IP address

to a particular office?
- Yes.

It was located
in a large corner office

in a company called Audix, LLC.

The nameplate on the door said,
"Jordan Reed."

Nothing further.

You have no proof Mr. Reed

actually created those photos,
correct?

No, but they were sent
from his computer.

You also have no proof
Mr. Reed wrote or posted

those statements to Rogue Wave?

I don't, but they were sent
from his computer.

Nothing further.

We have the posts
and the photos.

It's not perfect,
but it'll show that Reed

wanted to incite action--

no, that his objective

was to prompt
his most zealous followers

to commit an act of violence
against Derek Hoyt.

It's a good start,
but we need more

to bolster our theory
of depraved indifference.

We need to show Reed knew
there was a strong likelihood

Manny would kill Hoyt
based on his outrageous posts

and only those
outrageous posts.

We have what we have.
I mean, it'd be great

if I had a beach house
in South Hampton,

but I don't, so I make do

with my cousin's cottage
on the Jersey Shore

for three days in August.

We're asking the jury
to convict someone for murder,

for spreading lies
on the internet.

This could be ground-breaking,

like convicting
Trump for the murders

that took place on January 6th.

We need to give the jury more.

We know Manny attended
three recent rallies

where Reed
was the featured speaker.

So let's start there.

Is that you standing beside
Jordan Reed?

Yeah, that's me.

What'd you two talk about?

Nothing too specific.

Did he ever mention
a guy named Derek Hoyt?

No, Who's he?

He got murdered a while ago.

The guy you're standing next
to, Manny Lopez, pushed him

in front of a bus.
- Damn.

That's crazy.
- Did Manny say anything

to Reed that might suggest
he'd do something violent?

No, he barely talked.

Did you guys
talk about anything

other than
how screwed up the country is?

Yeah, lots of stuff.

Like what?

Uh, the Knicks.

Me and Reed were pissed about
Kemba Walker being benched.

They didn't talk
about Derek Hoyt

or committing acts of violence?

It was just a pleasant chat

about life in America,
circa 2022?

According to Pond,
they talked about

everything but Hoyt
or committing acts of violence.

This is bad.

It's exculpatory too.

I'm not so sure.

It contradicts our entire
thesis that Reed was baiting

his followers to attack Hoyt.

This is just one conversation,

one simple sound bite--
- A simple sound bite

that favors the defendant.

You're right.

We need to notify defense.
Let them know what we found,

and then we need
to get back to work,

and figure out
how to win this damn case.

Did you attend
a political rally

at a restaurant called
The Grey Lion on March 10th?

- Yes.
- At this event,

did you happen to have
a conversation with Jordan Reed

and Manny Lopez?
- I did.

What did you three discuss?

We talked about how
screwed up our country is.

Can you be more specific?

We talked about
how much the liberals hate us,

how stupid they think we are.

If I dare to express a view
contrary to theirs,

I'm an idiot,
a racist, homophobic...

I mean, this is America.

We should be able
to express our views

without being attacked.

Did you discuss
anything else?

Yes.

The New York Knicks.

Ha.

Did Jordan Reed ask you
or Manny Lopez

to commit an act of violence,

to help protect the country
against the liberal cabal?

No, sir.

Nothing further.

You weren't standing
next to Manny Lopez

the whole night, correct?

- Correct.
- You weren't standing

next to Jordan Reed
the whole night either?

- Correct.
- So it's possible

Manny Lopez and Jordan Reed may
have discussed something else

including committing
acts of violence, correct?

- It's possible, but--
- This wasn't the only

political event Mr. Reed
ever sponsored, correct?

No.
He puts on lots of rallies.

Once a week, actually.

How'd you find out
about these rallies?

Word of mouth, mostly.

People usually text each other.

Thank you.
Nothing further.

Get a subpoena
for Pond's phone.

We need to review his texts
then do a deep dive

into every rally
Reed's attended

for the past few months.

Then have detectives scrub
the surveillance footage.

We need a clip,
a quote, a sound bite,

something that reveals
who Jordan Reed really is.

Happy to do it, but why?

Excuse me?

We rested our case
two days ago.

Even if we find
something interesting,

we can't introduce it.

But we can use it on cross.

Once again,
happy to do it,

but there is no indication

that Reed is actually
going to testify.

You really think the biggest
media whore in America

is gonna pass up the
opportunity to wrap himself

in the First Amendment,

and provide free content

for his media company?

Not a chance.

Get the subpoena,
and start scrubbing.

Have you spent any time in
a chat room called Rogue Wave?

I'm aware of it,

but I've actually
never participated

in any online discussions.

Like I said, we have over
500 employees at the company,

and most of them
are very patriotic too.

So it's possible one of them
might have used my computer.

Mm-hmm.

Nothing further.

You ready?

Highly unusual
for an employee

to use the CEO's office
without his knowledge

or permission, correct?

Not at my company.

We have an open
and inclusive culture.

Doors are never closed.

In fact, most offices

don't even have doors.

- Your office has a door.
- Yes.

But I never close it
or lock it.

Your computer has a password,
correct?

It does, yes,
but it's written

on one of those
yellow sticky things

stuck to the computer.

It's...
it's low-tech, I know,

but I'm always forgetting
my damn passwords.

You know, too many devices
and subscriptions...

You said it earlier a lot of
your employees are patriotic.

You consider yourself
a patriot too?

Yes, of course.

I imagine you
also consider yourself

a proud proponent
of the First Amendment.

I do.

Freedom of speech is

the cornerstone
of our democracy.

It's the defining feature
of our country.

People have the right
to express

their religious
and political beliefs

even if they're unpopular,

even if the people in power
find them abhorrent,

and that open exchange
right there,

that is what makes America
the greatest country on Earth.

So your goal was to foster

the open exchange
of opinions and ideas?

Yes, I just wanna give
patriotic Americans a forum

to express their thoughts.

You know, contrary
to popular opinion, Mr. Price,

most conservatives don't enjoy
the didactic rhetoric

of the far-left.

So despite the outrageous
and inflammatory posts

sent from your office computer,

your goal was simply

to cultivate
a peaceful exchange of ideas?

- Yes.
- You didn't want

your followers
to commit acts of violence?

No, no, no.

No, that would be
the last thing I'd ever want.

I'd like to show you
a video clip of you talking

to one of your employees
at a recent rally--

Objection.
We haven't had a chance

to review this material.

There was no reason
to share it until now.

We couldn't anticipate
the defendant would testify,

and open the door with his
statements about cultivating

the peaceful exchange of ideas.

And this video clip
will rebut those statements?

It will directly contradict
what the defendant just said

regarding his goals
and objectives.

I'll allow it.

Look at these idiots,

drinkin',
gettin' all riled up.

If we could just find a way
to activate these morons

to actually attack

or even kill

some trans-bathroom-loving
liberal,

we--

we'd be the number one
media company in the world.

A waiter took that video
at a recent rally.

It shows you saying you'd like
to see one of "these morons"

attack or kill someone.

- I was kidding.
- Come on, that--
- I was joking.

That's a hell of a thing
to joke about.

Nothing further.

Defense?

Nothing at this time.

Has the jury
reached a verdict?

We have, Your Honor.

On the count
of Murder in the Second Degree,

we find the defendant...

guilty.

You've got to be--

get off of me.

This isn't over.
This isn't over!

The true patriots
will have the last say.

They will not stand
for this act of tyranny!

Hell of a verdict, Nolan.

Will make people think twice
before tweeting venom.

I'm not so sure.

Someone called
"garrett-from-the-country"

just tweeted me a particularly
venomous death threat.