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- Hello.
- Hi, I'm Louis.
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I'm Louis.
Oh, I can't shake your hand.
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[laughter]
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Louis narrates: For 25 years,
I've been making programmes
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about life in all
its strangeness...
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Stand by, information to follow.
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-..mystery...
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- Who are you?
- I'm Louis.
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Who's Louis?
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-..and angst.
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You OK, Nikki?
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Louis narrates: Trying to make
connections with people,
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who are in different ways,
on the edge.
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Not all of us wanna be
like this.
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Louis narrates: Recently,
I decided to take a pause,
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and trawl through my old shows,
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looking again at some stories
that stayed with me.
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- Yeah, this has stuff in it.
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Louis narrates: And to reach out
to those I'd featured.
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- Look at you,
Mr Beard-and-Moustache.
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I know, don't I look
distinguished?
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Louis narrates: To see how
their lives have changed.
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- You've been married six times,
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Henry VIII was married
six times,
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so it's not unprecedented.
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[laughter]
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- Hey, how you doing?
- Good, how are you?
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- Good.
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Louis narrates: From all
the hours of programmes,
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I've teased out a handful
of themes.
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- This is gonna be the start of
the second American Civil War!
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White Revolution!
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Louis: Why did you run?
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- Because they shoot anybody,
and they don't care who it is,
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point blank range they'll
pull a gun out and shoot you.
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Louis narrates: All of which
in different ways
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go to the heart of what it means
to be human.
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What connection is there between
a birth mum and a child?
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[crying]
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- Let me tell you something.
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If you came from the ghetto,
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your main focus should be
making it out,
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taking your parents out,
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and being something with
yourself,
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you can't understand that,
then you ain't real.
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Louis narrates:
Trying to figure out
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what I've learnt about life...
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[moaning]
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..and about myself.
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- There's nothing I could say
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that would persuade you
not to do that?
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- I'm gonna be like this
until I can try
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to overpower my addiction.
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Louis narrates: I know I come
across as British,
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I was raised in Britain,
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but I'm in fact half American,
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my Dad is American
and every summer,
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we would go to America,
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and I would see my
American family.
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And I've always had
a fascination
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with American consumer culture.
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It's perfected the art
of creating
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a kind of theatre of capitalism.
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A vast and tantalising spectacle
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where even your strangest and
most forbidden desires
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are commodified and turned into
a saleable product.
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Louis: So, it's not on these,
not there,
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we'll try...
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[sighs]
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Director: What is it you're
looking for?
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The porn folder.
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OK so this is porn-related.
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When we made the porn episode
of 'Weird Weekends',
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which was the second episode
we ever shot,
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it was mainly due to me having
read a piece in the New Yorker,
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about male performers and how
difficult they find it
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getting an erection for scenes,
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and the pressure that
that entails and the way
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in which that takes a toll
on the performers.
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Louis narrates: The San Fernando
Valley, north of Los Angeles,
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the acknowledged world capital
of pornographic films...
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It's an industry that revolves
around images of women,
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my mission, to immerse myself
in the less well known
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subculture of
the male performers.
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Louis: So listen, I may be
interested in actually,
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you know, trying it out
as a lifestyle.
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- You want to get in a movie?
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- Yeah, maybe get in a movie,
something like that.
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Could I do that, do you think?
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- Now, I mean how far do you
want to go with this?
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- How far could I go,
hypothetically?
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- You can go, if you can do it,
you can go all the way.
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Louis narrates: At that time,
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if you wanted to make it
as a porn performer,
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there was one agent who you had
to go and see,
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and his name was Jim South.
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If I wanted to break in,
how would I start?
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Is it people come in here and
that's how it moves forward?
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Yeah, they come in here,
they fill out an application,
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not a contract,
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we take a couple of just
standing nude polaroids,
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we give him a magazine,
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tell him he needs to excite
himself,
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we leave the room while
he's doing it,
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he usually hollers "Jim!"
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and we hurriedly go back
and take the pictures.
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You're interested in magazine
work and movie work?
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- Yes.
- OK.
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Now, first of all,
for movie work,
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it does mean actual sex,
actual penetration,
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you don't come,
you don't get paid.
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- Is that right?
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You don't come,
you don't get paid.
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- The bottom line is,
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you're supposed to be getting
$250 for one sex scene,
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if you do the hard core and
you don't do the pop shot,
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then they hire somebody
which is called the stunt cock,
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which is a guy that comes in
and just pops,
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you can be the greatest stud
in the world in the bedroom,
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bottom line is when you're
on a set,
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and the lights go on,
it's a different story.
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In the world of porn,
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clearly there's a lot
of opportunities
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for colourful participation,
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and I think we even had a chat
like,
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would it be appropriate for me
to actually perform,
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like have sex on camera,
and quite evidently,
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that's really uncomfortable
and weird,
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so then the next step down was,
well, but I could get naked.
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- So, Steve.
- Mmm?
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- Do I have to have wood
for the picture?
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- If you can, great.
- OK.
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If you can't,
it's not a big deal,
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- don't worry about it.
- OK, we'll do our best then.
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Louis: Hey, you know
the polaroid of me
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naked from the porn episode,
do you know where it is?
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Steve, I'm ready.
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- Put your arms like this.
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- OK, just tell me how you want
me posed?
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- Pose like this,
hands together,
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smile, very nice.
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- Say sexy things.
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- Don't move like that because
I'll get the wrong idea.
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Smile, get dressed cowboy.
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- 21 after 2.
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- OK, this is how we're gonna
do the scene.
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Miss Thing, walk off.
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- I'm supposed to give
his dick a lick
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and say, and then say,
"Do you wanna go out with me",
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why can't I just go,
"You wanna go out with me?"
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- Huh?
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'Cause this is the power,
you know.
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[moaning]
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Louis: Going into the world,
I was embarrassed
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because I thought maybe I will
think it's quite sexy.
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And it's sort of a relief when
you're there and you realise,
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oh no, it isn't sexy at all,
it's sort of,
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mechanical and perfunctory
and it's like watching someone
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on a weights machine,
do you know what I mean?
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Going up and down.
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The one thing that I've noticed
about guys,
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is that they've come in very
sweet, very open,
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very tentative, um,
and almost tender at times,
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and then as you see them film
after film after film,
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you kind of see that glazed
look go over,
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and it's the look,
it's the change,
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and you suddenly realise that
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you too could be
a piece of meat,
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a hole in the wall, or whatever
fantasy is inside their head,
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it's a degree of the,
of the utmost impersonal.
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As fun as you'd think
it would be,
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or might be, that's part of
the con, it's not really.
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- Walk off.
- You guys go off this way.
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Louis narrates: The male
performers in straight porn
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were by definition less
valuable,
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and they were paid less and
it was harder to make a living,
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but one of the few who did
make a living
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worked under the name John Doe.
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- I understand from talking
to Susan a little bit
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that one of the biggest
challenges
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is keeping what they call wood,
is that right?
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A lot of guys don't have
what it takes, man,
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because, you know,
you're supposed to make love,
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make beautiful love,
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and that's not what
you're doing here.
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- Do you get a lot of people
coming up to you saying,
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"Hey man, I want to do
your job," that type of thing?
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Yeah, you know,
some of them are happy,
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some of them are standoffish,
they look at you
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but they don't want to
approach you, some of them...
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Some of them get cocky,
you know,
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"I can do that.
Oh yeah, you gotta go to work,
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"ha-ha, oh yeah right,
you got to go to work, sure."
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- That must get kind of
irritating in a way
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when people regard you,
take your work seriously,
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they don't, they say,
"Ah you just have sex."
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- No, it doesn't irritate me,
I just stay home more.
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Louis: I'm gonna buy
one of these
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with my first pay check
as a porno guy.
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Well, you know what,
with your first pay check...
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- Yeah?
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-..for the month, you actually
could buy one of these.
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- Really?
- Sure.
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- Do you think I could make it?
- Yeah.
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- No.
- Absolutely, man.
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- Why?
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I've seen a lot of guys
come and go, man,
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but you're, you can do this.
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The main thing was to try
and identify
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a male performer who was new
to the business.
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And it was critical that
that was the right person
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because the whole attempt
was to see the industry,
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and the travails of the male
performers hinged on
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the audience, kind of,
identifying
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with the male performer
that we followed.
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- You must be JJ? I'm Louis.
- How you doing?
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- How's it going?
- Oh, alright.
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- Can we come up?
- Oh yes, come on.
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Jim South told me that
you're the man to talk to
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about understanding
the porno business
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because you're a successful
young up-and-coming porno actor.
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- I guess.
- Is that right?
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- Sounds good to me.
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- So can I hang out with you
for a few days,
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- would that be alright?
- Oh, please do.
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Louis narrates: He was two weeks
into the business,
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he'd signed with Jim South,
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and he just seemed like
a nice guy.
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A kind of can-do attitude,
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he had a work ethic
and he was focused,
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and he seemed sort of
vulnerable.
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So, in a way,
it became JJ's story.
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So I went with JJ to the set
of his next movie,
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which was the biggest one he'd
done, up until that point.
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- JJ standing by, you ready?
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- Alright, we're ready to shoot.
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- Let's roll sound first to
get up to speed.
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- How you feeling?
Pretty good?
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- Yeah.
- You got wood yet?
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- No.
- When do you do that?
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- When I'm gonna have sex.
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[LAUGHTER]
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Director: let's go, places.
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- Hey, break a leg.
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- Sound speed marker, please.
- 11 after take six, marker.
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- And action.
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- Pull out.
- That's a cut.
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- I don't think we are gonna be
able to do this.
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- No? Alright, fine.
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- We got to check on Mr wood?
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Louis: What's happening?
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JJ right now is having
wood problems.
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- Really?
- Yeah.
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- Why?
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- With all these people around,
could you do it?
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- No.
- I couldn't either.
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- OK there, JJ?
- Let's go, JJ.
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- Are we there guys?
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Louis: You delivered in the end,
right?
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Oh, yeah.
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- But what about, as far as...
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..the man goes, you know,
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pretty solid? Wood?
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The end, near the end, yeah.
Beginning, no.
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- Really?
- Yeah.
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it's just, so many people,
there's a lot of people,
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nervous kind of in front
of Shanahan
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because he's a big director,
as soon as you get nervous
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it's hard to work but, yeah,
near the end he went fine.
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So in addition to the challenge
of getting wood,
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there's also the worry
about contracting an STD,
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and in fact while we were there,
there was an HIV scare.
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We've had two positives
in less than a week.
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- In what?
- In HIV.
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I mean, now it's like,
forget this,
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I'm not risking my life
any more, you know,
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to make this much money,
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I can make this much more money,
you know, doing other things.
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- What do you reckon, JJ, are
you worried about these tests?
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No, I have a death wish
so it doesn't really matter.
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[laughter]
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Louis narrates:
The porn world felt like maybe
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the music industry would be
like, with,
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kind of,
glamour and young people,
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attractive young people
and excitement and creativity,
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but then another part of it
seemed to be bound up
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with a certain quality of
self destructiveness,
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or dysfunction with people
who were trying
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to figure something out
about themselves.
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Or maybe who had been damaged
in some way,
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or were trying to process
something
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that they'd grown up with.
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I suppose,
the open question was,
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to what extent that was helpful
to them
295
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and to what extent they were
being exploited
296
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or allowing themselves
to be used, you know.
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Was it actually gonna end up
being positive for them?
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In 2006, nine years after
we made the documentary,
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John Doe took his own life.
300
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JJ and I stayed in touch
and became friends.
301
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He left the porn industry,
302
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and became an IT consultant,
and ended up moving to Ukraine.
303
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[Skype dial tone]
304
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There he is!
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- Hello.
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[laughter]
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- What was it that was
appealing to you
308
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about the idea of working
in porn?
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- Part of it was,
25 years ago Monday
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is when my son died,
and after that point,
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I pretty much spiralled
downward,
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basically standing at the bottom
of that bottomless pit,
313
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and looking up and seeing
there was no light
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at the end of the tunnel,
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You know, I was truly broken
316
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and that makes you do
strange things,
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and one of the things
I appreciate
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about the documentary is I think
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that's a very good capsule
in time
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of where I was emotionally
and mentally,
321
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exactly during that period.
322
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- John doe went on
to kill himself.
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Did you know him at all?
324
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Yeah I mean, we weren't friends,
325
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but I've met him several times
on different sets.
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Do you have a sense of
what was behind it?
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The male performers
I was friends with,
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there was always an underlying
issue of depression,
329
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and when a man chooses
to commit suicide,
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it's usually
because of depression.
331
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Working in the adult industry
is similar to a drug,
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you get that adrenaline rush,
333
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so I think it naturally attracts
people
334
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that have some underlying
craziness as it were,
335
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and that's not necessarily
a bad thing,
336
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it's what makes us who we are.
337
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[baby crying]
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I heard a baby,
which means maybe
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it's a good time to mention
340
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that you're not only now
happily married,
341
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but you also have
a young daughter.
342
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Congratulations.
You've been married six times.
343
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Which, you know, Henry VIII
was married six times,
344
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so it's not unprecedented...
345
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[laughter]
346
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..but he was a little older.
347
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- It took a lot of failed
relationships
348
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for me to truly understand
who I am,
349
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who I need to look for
and how to truly build
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a loving intimate relationship
351
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that's not just based on just
carnal physicality.
352
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Louis: Tapes.
Young people know about tapes.
353
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DJ Indo Smoke, Bay Area Rappers.
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I've been a fan of hip hop
since the late '80s
355
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and I remember my friend Joe,
Joe Cornish,
356
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made me a compilation tape,
357
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and it had on it a track
358
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called 'Paid in Full'
by Eric B & Rakim.
359
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I fell in love with it.
360
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you felt like you were plugging
into bulletins
361
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from dissident America,
that it was telling you
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something important about
the state
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of the disenfranchised
youth of America,
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about racism in America,
about structures of inequality.
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♪ You are now about to witness
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♪ The strength of street
knowledge... ♪
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Louis narrates: Then a year
or two after that,
368
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NWA appeared,
the first big gangsta rap group.
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♪ Straight Outta Compton
370
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♪ Crazy mother fucker
named Ice Cube ♪
371
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♪ From that gang called
Niggas With Attitude ♪
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♪ When I'm called off
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♪ I got a sawed off...
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Louis narrates:
It was intimidating,
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occasionally offensive,
frequently misogynistic,
376
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but also, captivating.
377
00:16:42,482 --> 00:16:45,032
So I was curious about
that tension
378
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between what was real
and what wasn't,
379
00:16:47,344 --> 00:16:48,834
and whether the lyrics and
the personas
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reflected their real lives,
381
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and how much of it
was putting on an act.
382
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We filmed the episode
in the South,
383
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which was then emerging
in the new force in rap.
384
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There was a rapper,
and impresario and mogul
385
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called Master P, who was making
an absolute tonne of money
386
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by controlling the whole
process of making the music,
387
00:17:16,724 --> 00:17:18,284
but also distributing the music,
388
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bypassing the major labels
and had created an empire
389
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in the South, specifically
Louisiana.
390
00:17:25,689 --> 00:17:28,409
I ended up going back
to his house,
391
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he then lived in Baton Rouge,
in a gated community.
392
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Do you want to shoot some hoops?
393
00:17:34,586 --> 00:17:35,786
Yeah, I'm not very good,
394
00:17:35,896 --> 00:17:38,236
I don't even know
why I suggested to do this.
395
00:17:39,896 --> 00:17:41,656
- Oh yeah, you horrible.
396
00:17:41,758 --> 00:17:44,168
It all started right here
with this tank right here,
397
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you got to be a soldier,
398
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and being a soldier you got
to be able to keep it real.
399
00:17:48,241 --> 00:17:50,411
- What does that mean,
'keeping it real'?
400
00:17:50,517 --> 00:17:51,857
- Keeping it real,
being yourself.
401
00:17:51,965 --> 00:17:54,205
- Being yourself?
- Being yourself, I mean...
402
00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:55,480
some people take keep it real
403
00:17:55,586 --> 00:17:57,306
where they got to be the baddest
person in the world,
404
00:17:57,413 --> 00:17:58,833
the hardest person
in the world...
405
00:17:58,931 --> 00:18:00,721
- Yeah, like a gangster.
- That ain't keeping it real.
406
00:18:00,827 --> 00:18:01,927
- Are the neighbours friendly?
407
00:18:02,034 --> 00:18:03,624
I knocked on all of them doors
and told them
408
00:18:03,724 --> 00:18:05,724
that I'm here and
I'm not going nowhere.
409
00:18:05,827 --> 00:18:06,967
- Did you seriously?
- Yeah.
410
00:18:07,068 --> 00:18:09,168
And, yeah that doesn't sound
reassuring,
411
00:18:09,275 --> 00:18:11,375
that sounds almost slightly
threatening.
412
00:18:11,482 --> 00:18:13,412
Take it how you want to.
413
00:18:13,517 --> 00:18:15,617
Louis narrates: He'd been raised
in one of New Orleans'
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most dangerous housing projects,
415
00:18:18,344 --> 00:18:22,074
and was now among the highest
paid entertainers in America.
416
00:18:22,172 --> 00:18:28,282
His annual income was estimated
to be $60 million a year.
417
00:18:28,379 --> 00:18:31,479
How much would you say you owe
to, you know, the rap game?
418
00:18:31,586 --> 00:18:33,406
I owe all of it to the rap game.
419
00:18:36,448 --> 00:18:38,588
Who is this on this one,
Master P?
420
00:18:38,689 --> 00:18:40,899
- That's me,
these portraits are all of me.
421
00:18:44,241 --> 00:18:47,031
- This is my home recording
studio.
422
00:18:47,137 --> 00:18:50,337
I look at this $800,000
chandelier and say,
423
00:18:50,448 --> 00:18:52,518
"Wow, I made it."
424
00:18:53,655 --> 00:18:55,065
Louis: These are your vehicles.
425
00:18:55,172 --> 00:18:56,862
do you ever worry that
you'll be perceived
426
00:18:56,965 --> 00:18:59,305
as losing your credibility
on the streets
427
00:18:59,413 --> 00:19:01,173
because you are so
comfortable now?
428
00:19:02,172 --> 00:19:03,552
Let me tell you something.
429
00:19:03,655 --> 00:19:04,685
That's what I'm telling you
430
00:19:04,793 --> 00:19:07,073
about being a soldier and
keeping it real.
431
00:19:07,172 --> 00:19:08,902
If you came from the ghetto,
432
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,210
your main focus should be
making it out,
433
00:19:11,310 --> 00:19:14,340
taking your parents out and
being something with yourself.
434
00:19:14,448 --> 00:19:17,478
You can't understand that,
then you ain't real.
435
00:19:21,655 --> 00:19:23,235
Louis: The back bone
of the episode
436
00:19:23,344 --> 00:19:26,864
really turned out to be
a character called Mello-T,
437
00:19:26,965 --> 00:19:28,895
who'd been a successful rapper,
438
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,340
and unlike many of the people
in Jackson,
439
00:19:31,448 --> 00:19:34,518
had enjoyed success in New York.
440
00:19:34,620 --> 00:19:37,480
They referred to him in Jackson
as 'The Godfather.'
441
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Louis narrates: And what made
him unusual as well
442
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was along side his rapping,
he also claimed to be a pimp.
443
00:19:44,896 --> 00:19:46,306
- How you doing?
- How you doing?
444
00:19:46,413 --> 00:19:47,793
- You must be Mello-T.
- No doubt.
445
00:19:47,896 --> 00:19:50,306
- I'm Louis, Louis Theroux.
- I heard a lot about you.
446
00:19:50,413 --> 00:19:51,903
- Good.
- A lot about you.
447
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,030
- Yeah, you're looking very,
very smart.
448
00:19:54,137 --> 00:19:57,337
- This is just Mello's style,
this is like,
449
00:19:57,448 --> 00:20:01,828
worldwide international
Godfather gangster pimp style.
450
00:20:01,931 --> 00:20:02,901
- Yeah, yeah.
451
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,450
- That's how I'm bringing
it, you know.
452
00:20:04,551 --> 00:20:06,521
You know I'm in
the music business
453
00:20:06,620 --> 00:20:09,520
but the scripple business,
the prostitution business,
454
00:20:09,620 --> 00:20:12,550
that's been my business
for the last three, four years.
455
00:20:12,655 --> 00:20:16,305
- That's stuff you do? Now?
- Right, yeah.
456
00:20:16,413 --> 00:20:20,103
Right but it's the money,
it's the money behind my music,
457
00:20:20,206 --> 00:20:24,206
it's the money that finances
the studios
458
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:26,480
that finances
the music business.
459
00:20:26,586 --> 00:20:27,716
- Because in Britain,
460
00:20:27,827 --> 00:20:30,277
to be a pimp would be
considered definitely...
461
00:20:31,448 --> 00:20:33,658
- Illegal, just like being
a drug dealer.
462
00:20:33,758 --> 00:20:35,928
- Illegal and maybe immoral,
well immoral, yes.
463
00:20:36,034 --> 00:20:37,144
- Same thing here.
- Yeah.
464
00:20:37,241 --> 00:20:38,411
It's the same thing here,
465
00:20:38,517 --> 00:20:41,517
and you can go to
the penitentiary for doing it,
466
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and you can get killed
for doing it.
467
00:20:43,344 --> 00:20:45,384
Louis: Mello was
a perplexing figure.
468
00:20:45,482 --> 00:20:46,692
Obviously the fact
that he'd said
469
00:20:46,793 --> 00:20:49,763
he was a pimp was troubling,
but at the time,
470
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in my naivete,
I continued to think
471
00:20:52,103 --> 00:20:54,213
he might just be playing a role.
472
00:20:55,655 --> 00:20:57,895
Is this for, what's it called?
473
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[Mello starts rapping]
474
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♪ This goes out
to all the young folks ♪
475
00:21:01,034 --> 00:21:02,244
♪ You know what I'm saying
476
00:21:02,344 --> 00:21:04,624
♪ Young kids thinking you want
to get into this game ♪
477
00:21:04,724 --> 00:21:06,284
♪ Pimping
478
00:21:06,379 --> 00:21:07,659
♪ True testimony
479
00:21:07,758 --> 00:21:10,068
♪ It's where I want to be man
for real ♪
480
00:21:10,172 --> 00:21:13,692
♪ You came from London
just to hear my story ♪
481
00:21:13,793 --> 00:21:16,903
♪ I'm in the hood
witness be the glory ♪
482
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,790
♪ Now I'm a pimp and
I gots to break a hoe man ♪
483
00:21:19,896 --> 00:21:21,306
♪ Ain't getting no educated
484
00:21:21,413 --> 00:21:23,283
♪ But that's the way I make
my dough man ♪
485
00:21:23,379 --> 00:21:24,279
♪ Now Louis
486
00:21:24,379 --> 00:21:26,789
♪ I'm in this shit
trying to be good ♪
487
00:21:26,896 --> 00:21:29,406
♪ I'm on my way they say
to Hollywood ♪
488
00:21:29,517 --> 00:21:32,407
♪ I be pimping all night long
trying to make my paper ♪
489
00:21:32,517 --> 00:21:35,617
♪ If my bitch come in short
I have to break her ♪
490
00:21:35,724 --> 00:21:38,834
♪ This game was real man
I ain't no lie ♪
491
00:21:38,931 --> 00:21:40,831
♪ This from the top of my head
man ♪
492
00:21:40,931 --> 00:21:42,591
♪ Every night I could die damn
493
00:21:42,689 --> 00:21:44,589
♪ Now I always be a G
494
00:21:44,689 --> 00:21:49,279
♪ But I can't let these streets
get the best of me ♪
495
00:21:49,379 --> 00:21:51,689
♪ I feel you, Louis.
496
00:21:51,793 --> 00:21:53,833
Louis narrates: With Mello-T,
he was in a way
497
00:21:53,931 --> 00:21:58,031
the personification of that
whole idea of well,
498
00:21:58,137 --> 00:22:01,547
are you rapping about something
as a reporter, right,
499
00:22:01,655 --> 00:22:03,855
describing it,
if you say you did something
500
00:22:03,965 --> 00:22:07,095
in a rap is that because
you're describing a lifestyle
501
00:22:07,206 --> 00:22:09,586
and bringing the news about it
to an audience?
502
00:22:09,689 --> 00:22:13,449
Or are you actually just
boasting
503
00:22:13,551 --> 00:22:17,311
about doing terrible things,
that you actually did do?
504
00:22:17,413 --> 00:22:18,693
As I spent more time with him,
505
00:22:18,793 --> 00:22:21,243
I realised he really was a pimp,
506
00:22:21,344 --> 00:22:24,074
and the line between the fiction
and the reality
507
00:22:24,172 --> 00:22:27,932
was at best blurred,
and maybe even non-existent.
508
00:22:28,034 --> 00:22:30,174
- Hi, how you doing?
- This is Sunshine.
509
00:22:30,275 --> 00:22:32,585
- Nice to meet you.
- Are you sunshine? I'm Louis.
510
00:22:32,689 --> 00:22:34,859
- Number one, this Fantasy.
- Hi, Fantasy.
511
00:22:34,965 --> 00:22:36,275
- This is a couple of my girls.
512
00:22:36,379 --> 00:22:37,969
- How you doing?
513
00:22:38,068 --> 00:22:40,998
And, so are you having
a rehearsal,
514
00:22:41,103 --> 00:22:42,833
I mean what is happening,
this is odd, isn't it?
515
00:22:42,931 --> 00:22:45,551
[gunshots]
516
00:22:49,724 --> 00:22:50,864
Ooh, be careful with that,
517
00:22:50,965 --> 00:22:52,615
I don't think you should
put it down there.
518
00:22:52,724 --> 00:22:53,974
- It's where I keep it.
- Yeah.
519
00:22:54,068 --> 00:22:56,028
- I've been doing that since...
- It could go off, though.
520
00:22:56,137 --> 00:22:57,277
- No it ain't gonna go,
521
00:22:57,379 --> 00:22:58,999
I've been doing it since
11 years old.
522
00:22:59,103 --> 00:23:01,523
- Yeah, you could shoot your
testicles off, basically.
523
00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:03,590
- Baby, no man,
there's where I keep it,
524
00:23:03,689 --> 00:23:05,899
that's where I keep it,
I believe in coercive power,
525
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,590
that's fear, and sometimes, man,
that's the best understanding
526
00:23:09,689 --> 00:23:12,139
in the world, like when a woman
got a pistol to her head,
527
00:23:12,241 --> 00:23:13,901
seems like she's gonna
listen better.
528
00:23:15,344 --> 00:23:16,664
That's quite shocking.
529
00:23:16,758 --> 00:23:18,828
- Not really, not to me,
530
00:23:18,931 --> 00:23:21,591
everybody fascinated with
the bad guy,
531
00:23:21,689 --> 00:23:24,309
everybody want to know, man,
how it is to be a pimp,
532
00:23:24,413 --> 00:23:27,073
how it is to be a gangster,
you know what I'm saying?
533
00:23:27,172 --> 00:23:28,342
But couldn't you just go ahead
534
00:23:28,448 --> 00:23:30,858
and rap about being a pimp
and not actually be a pimp?
535
00:23:30,965 --> 00:23:33,335
- No, no it wouldn't work
for me,
536
00:23:33,448 --> 00:23:34,588
you understand what I'm saying?
537
00:23:34,689 --> 00:23:35,549
- Why?
538
00:23:35,655 --> 00:23:36,585
I mean, it's just like me
539
00:23:36,689 --> 00:23:38,479
rapping about building
computers,
540
00:23:38,586 --> 00:23:40,476
you feel what I'm saying,
it ain't what I do,
541
00:23:40,586 --> 00:23:42,066
you know, but I break a hoe.
542
00:23:42,172 --> 00:23:43,482
- It's just,
I thought it was like,
543
00:23:43,586 --> 00:23:45,966
you know, wrestling where,
OK, they are quite strong
544
00:23:46,068 --> 00:23:47,618
but you're basically
pretending to fight,
545
00:23:47,724 --> 00:23:49,934
- you're portraying a character.
- not me, not me.
546
00:23:50,034 --> 00:23:52,104
- Do you know what I mean?
- Not me.
547
00:23:52,206 --> 00:23:54,616
The character is real,
you understand me?
548
00:23:54,724 --> 00:23:58,554
And this character who I am,
might get me killed for real,
549
00:23:58,655 --> 00:24:01,445
straight up, and that's what's
so real about my life.
550
00:24:01,551 --> 00:24:04,311
- That's got to be a bad thing?
- No, it ain't no bad thing.
551
00:24:04,413 --> 00:24:05,553
Ain't nothing bad
about dying, man,
552
00:24:05,655 --> 00:24:08,895
you understand, especially
for the cause, you feel me?
553
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,760
Straight up, I'm gonna be
a hero, man,
554
00:24:10,862 --> 00:24:12,902
we'll be like the rest of them
like Jessie James,
555
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,830
and Billy the Kid and all
of them, you understand me?
556
00:24:15,931 --> 00:24:18,141
[gunshots]
557
00:24:18,241 --> 00:24:20,661
Louis narrates: As shocking
as gangster rap can be,
558
00:24:20,758 --> 00:24:24,858
in terms of the lifestyle
it seems to promote,
559
00:24:24,965 --> 00:24:27,335
you've also got to remember
that's the world
560
00:24:27,448 --> 00:24:29,998
that many rappers
have grown up in,
561
00:24:30,103 --> 00:24:34,663
that's what they've seen all
around them in the projects,
562
00:24:34,758 --> 00:24:39,138
but at the same time
it is also true that,
563
00:24:39,241 --> 00:24:44,101
in putting so much emphasis
on authenticity,
564
00:24:44,206 --> 00:24:48,276
there's a real danger that
the music ends up,
565
00:24:48,379 --> 00:24:53,589
kind of making being a gangster
a hallmark of realness,
566
00:24:53,689 --> 00:24:58,549
that that's something you almost
have to aspire to be.
567
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,930
You know and I still listen
to it,
568
00:25:02,034 --> 00:25:06,074
I still like it, and I feel
that you can't extract
569
00:25:06,172 --> 00:25:07,862
all the darkness, that's part of
570
00:25:07,965 --> 00:25:10,375
what makes it powerful
and special.
571
00:25:10,482 --> 00:25:12,902
You know, I guess,
some things in life,
572
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,410
you don't arrive at
a neat position on.
573
00:25:19,586 --> 00:25:23,096
Time went by, and I continued
to be intrigued by Mello,
574
00:25:23,206 --> 00:25:24,996
I guess I was curious about
whether
575
00:25:25,103 --> 00:25:26,623
he would change his life.
576
00:25:27,517 --> 00:25:28,897
Four years after filming,
577
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,100
I went back and saw him again
for a book I was working on.
578
00:25:33,448 --> 00:25:36,308
[Mello rapping]
579
00:25:40,758 --> 00:25:42,858
Louis narrates: He was still
writing music,
580
00:25:42,965 --> 00:25:46,305
still pimping, and still saying
he wanted to give it up.
581
00:25:47,310 --> 00:25:48,660
This saying that, you know,
582
00:25:48,758 --> 00:25:53,068
your past can be full of spots
but your future is spotless.
583
00:25:54,241 --> 00:25:55,621
My future is spotless,
584
00:25:55,724 --> 00:25:59,864
now my past is maybe
full of spots.
585
00:25:59,965 --> 00:26:01,685
Louis narrates: I remember
saying to him,
586
00:26:01,793 --> 00:26:03,173
I'm confused, like,
587
00:26:03,275 --> 00:26:06,165
do you hate the game or not,
which is it?
588
00:26:06,275 --> 00:26:12,445
And he said, "I hate the game,
but I love to do it."
589
00:26:12,551 --> 00:26:13,831
Which is kind of deep.
590
00:26:16,586 --> 00:26:18,446
The world is set up in such
a way
591
00:26:18,551 --> 00:26:21,721
that there are past times
and pursuits
592
00:26:21,827 --> 00:26:25,067
that may be poisonous
and dangerous
593
00:26:25,172 --> 00:26:27,172
and that know we're not supposed
to get involved in
594
00:26:27,275 --> 00:26:30,855
by conventional morality,
and yet, in spite of ourselves,
595
00:26:30,965 --> 00:26:34,855
we find ourselves drawn to them,
and we can't resist.
596
00:26:40,689 --> 00:26:43,759
Like many people, I've always
been fascinated by Las Vegas.
597
00:26:46,137 --> 00:26:49,857
A city dedicated to catering
to our most secret
598
00:26:49,965 --> 00:26:52,095
and forbidden impulses,
our lust,
599
00:26:52,206 --> 00:26:54,656
our gluttony, our greed.
600
00:26:56,068 --> 00:26:59,098
Obviously, there's gambling
all over the world,
601
00:26:59,206 --> 00:27:02,026
but Vegas really does represent
something
602
00:27:02,137 --> 00:27:06,657
very primal and fundamental
to the American psyche
603
00:27:06,758 --> 00:27:09,718
or to American culture
generally.
604
00:27:09,827 --> 00:27:12,757
I'm a fan of kind of altered
states of consciousness,
605
00:27:12,862 --> 00:27:14,522
and worlds that feel different.
606
00:27:15,862 --> 00:27:19,902
I genuinely find it seductive
and beguiling,
607
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,340
like that world of the casino,
608
00:27:21,448 --> 00:27:23,338
like I understand some people
might feel
609
00:27:23,448 --> 00:27:28,138
that it's really unappealing,
kind of crass and garish,
610
00:27:28,241 --> 00:27:31,311
I like all of that,
in certain doses.
611
00:27:34,068 --> 00:27:35,828
- Are you winning?
612
00:27:35,931 --> 00:27:40,031
- Oh no, ha-ha, not at all,
negative 20 for the trip.
613
00:27:40,137 --> 00:27:42,827
-$20?
- No, $20,000.
614
00:27:42,931 --> 00:27:44,001
- Whoa.
615
00:27:45,137 --> 00:27:46,277
- You winning?
616
00:27:46,379 --> 00:27:47,929
[LAUGHTER]
617
00:27:49,724 --> 00:27:51,864
- Are you winning?
- Yeah.
618
00:27:51,965 --> 00:27:53,305
- Are you?
- Yes.
619
00:27:53,413 --> 00:27:55,453
Louis narrates: Really,
the back bone of the film
620
00:27:55,551 --> 00:27:58,141
was a businessman called Allan,
621
00:27:58,241 --> 00:28:02,241
who had a mattress company,
based somewhere in Canada.
622
00:28:02,344 --> 00:28:05,414
Now what can you tell me about
this guy that's coming in?
623
00:28:05,517 --> 00:28:06,967
This guy that's coming in,
624
00:28:07,068 --> 00:28:13,898
is one of my closest friends
from Toronto, Canada,
625
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,860
he's, we used to say he's
the Mattress King,
626
00:28:16,965 --> 00:28:20,825
because he has the largest
manufacturing plant
627
00:28:20,931 --> 00:28:23,281
for mattresses
in all of Canada.
628
00:28:23,379 --> 00:28:25,239
This guys, like,
he's a friend of yours?
629
00:28:25,344 --> 00:28:26,934
- Yes.
- So, you don't...
630
00:28:27,034 --> 00:28:29,144
- He's a friend of mine,
he's a high roller,
631
00:28:29,241 --> 00:28:31,071
one of the biggest
high rollers.
632
00:28:31,172 --> 00:28:32,312
- Is he?
633
00:28:32,413 --> 00:28:35,793
And he's also godfather
to my little girl, too,
634
00:28:35,896 --> 00:28:38,066
so it's a whole thing.
635
00:28:38,172 --> 00:28:41,312
- What's up, buddy.
How you doing, you alright?
636
00:28:41,413 --> 00:28:43,103
Alright, you doing OK?
637
00:28:43,206 --> 00:28:44,786
Say hi to Louis.
638
00:28:44,896 --> 00:28:46,616
- How are you, Louis.
- Nice to meet you.
639
00:28:46,724 --> 00:28:49,004
- Louis' from the BBC in the UK.
- I've heard so much about you.
640
00:28:49,103 --> 00:28:51,343
Louis narrates: Once in a while
he liked to cut loose,
641
00:28:51,448 --> 00:28:53,758
come down to Vegas
for a wild weekend,
642
00:28:53,862 --> 00:28:55,282
get treated like a king.
643
00:28:55,379 --> 00:28:56,969
- This is home for three days.
644
00:28:58,586 --> 00:29:00,516
What do you think guys? This OK?
645
00:29:00,620 --> 00:29:02,310
- Seems quite nice.
646
00:29:02,413 --> 00:29:04,413
- It's about 15,000 square feet,
this suite.
647
00:29:04,517 --> 00:29:05,617
Louis: 15,000 square feet?
648
00:29:05,724 --> 00:29:07,594
And this is all part
of the deal?
649
00:29:07,689 --> 00:29:08,619
- This is it.
650
00:29:08,724 --> 00:29:10,454
- This is provided free?
651
00:29:10,551 --> 00:29:13,241
- This is the largest suite
in North America.
652
00:29:13,344 --> 00:29:15,384
- Wow.
- OK, that I know of.
653
00:29:15,482 --> 00:29:17,592
- And Allan gets it for
as long as he's here
654
00:29:17,689 --> 00:29:19,549
and everything's comped in here.
655
00:29:19,655 --> 00:29:22,025
- It's all comped,
complimentary.
656
00:29:22,137 --> 00:29:24,027
Allan: It's all about gambling,
isn't it?
657
00:29:24,137 --> 00:29:26,717
- Is there any technique to
where you're putting them?
658
00:29:26,827 --> 00:29:28,997
Are you basing that on a hunch,
or?
659
00:29:29,103 --> 00:29:31,003
- Just picking what you feel.
660
00:29:33,896 --> 00:29:35,656
He's just got to cooperate.
661
00:29:36,965 --> 00:29:38,685
- He's not cooperating.
662
00:29:39,241 --> 00:29:40,591
- Sheesh.
663
00:29:42,620 --> 00:29:45,380
- That's bad.
- Yeah, it is bad.
664
00:29:47,034 --> 00:29:48,694
- Ah, it's just warm up.
665
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000
Louis: At least we're having
a good time.
666
00:29:52,103 --> 00:29:55,073
- Well you know, we don't like
to lose money either.
667
00:29:55,172 --> 00:29:58,072
Right now, this is more money
than some people make in a year.
668
00:30:00,275 --> 00:30:01,335
It's a lot of money.
669
00:30:05,724 --> 00:30:06,834
And do you know what they say,
670
00:30:06,931 --> 00:30:08,281
if you can't afford it,
don't do it.
671
00:30:11,758 --> 00:30:14,448
It's 17, we got it.
672
00:30:14,551 --> 00:30:17,451
- How about that, now you're
into some serious money.
673
00:30:17,551 --> 00:30:18,791
- Now you're up 50 grand.
674
00:30:18,896 --> 00:30:22,546
- Why not stop now,
and then you're 50,000 up?
675
00:30:22,655 --> 00:30:26,235
Did I fly six hours to play
for 20 minutes?
676
00:30:30,034 --> 00:30:32,414
If you stop now, would they kick
you out of your suite?
677
00:30:32,517 --> 00:30:34,207
- No.
678
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:36,970
No, they never do that because
they know I'm a gambler.
679
00:30:39,275 --> 00:30:41,275
Louis narrates:
Allan was a family man,
680
00:30:41,379 --> 00:30:44,279
but I think Vegas for him
was a chance to step out,
681
00:30:44,379 --> 00:30:48,689
and kind of, sort of,
be James Bond for the weekend.
682
00:30:48,793 --> 00:30:52,933
- Big, yeah, oh!
683
00:30:53,034 --> 00:30:54,974
Louis narrates: It was a case
of spending, you know,
684
00:30:55,068 --> 00:30:56,828
the days with him,
filming with him,
685
00:30:56,931 --> 00:30:58,931
but also trying to figure out,
like,
686
00:30:59,034 --> 00:31:00,554
how much is he enjoying this?
687
00:31:00,655 --> 00:31:03,655
And there were definitely
moments when I thought,
688
00:31:03,758 --> 00:31:06,238
this feels actually not
that fun.
689
00:31:06,344 --> 00:31:07,764
Allan: Vacuum cleaners,
690
00:31:07,862 --> 00:31:09,972
these are vacuum cleaners
at the Hilton.
691
00:31:10,068 --> 00:31:11,408
What is the appeal?
692
00:31:11,517 --> 00:31:13,237
If it's just random,
you're just pushing a button,
693
00:31:13,344 --> 00:31:14,484
it's like working in a factory.
694
00:31:14,586 --> 00:31:21,336
- You're not really,
we're just hoping
695
00:31:21,448 --> 00:31:23,308
that you're the one,
to come to Vegas
696
00:31:23,413 --> 00:31:25,833
and have the opportunity
of winning
697
00:31:25,931 --> 00:31:27,071
- Want me to put more money in?
698
00:31:27,172 --> 00:31:30,592
- It's quitting time,
I have a meeting,
699
00:31:30,689 --> 00:31:33,479
so I'm gonna love you
and leave you.
700
00:31:33,586 --> 00:31:39,446
I'll spin one more time,
see I would have won there,
701
00:31:39,551 --> 00:31:41,451
but why you didn't win is
because you changed,
702
00:31:41,551 --> 00:31:43,071
you were getting rid of your
credits.
703
00:31:45,965 --> 00:31:48,475
[slot machine sounds]
704
00:31:48,586 --> 00:31:53,376
- Didn't you just say
it was quitting time?
705
00:31:53,482 --> 00:31:56,762
- Yeah, we're just gonna
spin one or two more times,
706
00:31:56,862 --> 00:32:00,002
just to make sure the machine
is finished with me.
707
00:32:03,793 --> 00:32:05,243
You never know.
708
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:07,760
That's a gamblers problem,
709
00:32:07,862 --> 00:32:09,932
when to quit.
710
00:32:10,034 --> 00:32:12,144
In the end, what I found
myself thinking about
711
00:32:12,241 --> 00:32:16,101
was Allan's relationship
with Richard, the casino host,
712
00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:20,450
and this tension between
being his friend,
713
00:32:20,551 --> 00:32:24,001
but also Richard basically
needing Allan
714
00:32:24,103 --> 00:32:26,103
to gamble as much as possible.
715
00:32:27,655 --> 00:32:29,685
- Hey, what's happening buddy?
- How you doing?
716
00:32:29,793 --> 00:32:30,723
- We're doing OK.
717
00:32:30,827 --> 00:32:32,237
- I've been hearing rumours
about you.
718
00:32:32,344 --> 00:32:34,694
- Well, are they good or bad?
719
00:32:34,793 --> 00:32:36,343
- 250 in the hole.
720
00:32:36,448 --> 00:32:39,478
- Ah, listen,
I'd be happy with that, I think.
721
00:32:39,586 --> 00:32:40,856
- Really? Why, what happened?
722
00:32:40,965 --> 00:32:42,305
- It was a little nasty
in there.
723
00:32:42,413 --> 00:32:43,933
- What happened?
724
00:32:44,034 --> 00:32:46,414
- Cards change.
- 300,000?
725
00:32:46,517 --> 00:32:49,027
- Oh, I don't know.
- 300,000?
726
00:32:49,137 --> 00:32:51,137
- Pesos?
727
00:32:51,241 --> 00:32:53,411
How did he make out, Richard?
728
00:32:53,517 --> 00:32:57,027
How did who make out, Allan?
You got to ask him.
729
00:32:57,137 --> 00:32:59,237
He's going home with
a heavy loss.
730
00:32:59,344 --> 00:33:00,594
What would you have liked
to see,
731
00:33:00,689 --> 00:33:02,689
this isn't the ideal outcome
for you, or is it?
732
00:33:02,793 --> 00:33:04,793
What would be the best outcome
for you?
733
00:33:06,206 --> 00:33:07,716
- Well, just the fact that he
comes in
734
00:33:07,827 --> 00:33:09,307
is the best outcome for me.
735
00:33:09,413 --> 00:33:12,173
Whether he wins or loses,
it doesn't go into my pocket,
736
00:33:12,275 --> 00:33:14,615
I'm just here as a marketing guy
to bring him in the building,
737
00:33:14,724 --> 00:33:17,694
and keep him at the tables
as long as I can.
738
00:33:17,793 --> 00:33:19,863
Keep him at the tables as long
as you can up to a point,
739
00:33:19,965 --> 00:33:22,895
so not so he hurts himself,
or is...
740
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,310
- No, I keep him at the tables
for as long as I can,
741
00:33:27,413 --> 00:33:29,073
and that's whether he wins
or loses,
742
00:33:29,172 --> 00:33:31,312
so it doesn't matter.
743
00:33:31,413 --> 00:33:34,283
My job is to bring certain
players in
744
00:33:34,379 --> 00:33:35,659
and keep them at the tables,
745
00:33:35,758 --> 00:33:38,238
and keep them gambling
on the property, that's all.
746
00:33:38,344 --> 00:33:41,384
with him and with a few others,
my friends,
747
00:33:41,482 --> 00:33:42,382
they're friends of mine,
748
00:33:42,482 --> 00:33:44,312
they're more friends
than they are players,
749
00:33:44,413 --> 00:33:45,793
it just happens I work here,
750
00:33:45,896 --> 00:33:47,336
and that's where they come
to visit.
751
00:33:47,448 --> 00:33:49,688
Look at that smile,
that's a million dollar smile,
752
00:33:49,793 --> 00:33:51,003
he can never lose.
753
00:33:51,103 --> 00:33:53,973
Slightly less than a million
now.
754
00:33:54,068 --> 00:33:59,788
Listen, you know what makes
a good person a good gambler,
755
00:33:59,896 --> 00:34:02,926
somebody that can,
whether win or lose,
756
00:34:03,034 --> 00:34:05,074
they're still gonna smile.
757
00:34:05,172 --> 00:34:08,592
So fast forward a few years,
one day,
758
00:34:08,689 --> 00:34:09,969
while browsing the internet,
759
00:34:10,068 --> 00:34:13,928
I come across a picture
of an Uber receipt,
760
00:34:14,034 --> 00:34:17,594
and it says, thank you,
your driver was Allan,
761
00:34:17,689 --> 00:34:20,309
and there's a picture of him.
762
00:34:20,413 --> 00:34:24,213
So naturally, I assume maybe
he's lost his fortune,
763
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:26,070
and maybe he's gambled it away.
764
00:34:28,896 --> 00:34:30,686
Then I checked with someone
who knew Allan,
765
00:34:30,793 --> 00:34:34,033
and they said, oh no,
he's still got all his money.
766
00:34:34,137 --> 00:34:38,517
He's just, he just liked to get
out and give people Uber rides,
767
00:34:38,620 --> 00:34:40,170
as a way of meeting people.
768
00:34:46,034 --> 00:34:47,834
You know, I think there's
a safety in Vegas
769
00:34:47,931 --> 00:34:49,621
being in the desert, right?
770
00:34:49,724 --> 00:34:52,484
It insulated from the rest of
the country.
771
00:34:52,586 --> 00:34:55,656
I sort of regard it as a place
that's fun to visit,
772
00:34:55,758 --> 00:34:59,448
but somewhere that you wouldn't
want to be the, sort of,
773
00:34:59,551 --> 00:35:01,451
representative of what
the broader society
774
00:35:01,551 --> 00:35:03,551
should aspire to be.
775
00:35:03,655 --> 00:35:08,025
That part of America
that is catered to providing
776
00:35:08,137 --> 00:35:10,997
for your most basic impulses...
777
00:35:13,103 --> 00:35:15,213
..and that there's a risk that
goes along with that.
778
00:35:18,068 --> 00:35:20,028
You know, the risk is that
you lose control...
779
00:35:22,793 --> 00:35:26,313
..you get swept up in addiction.
780
00:35:30,655 --> 00:35:33,025
Louis narrates:
After the Vegas show,
781
00:35:33,137 --> 00:35:34,617
I made more programmes
that dealt with
782
00:35:34,724 --> 00:35:37,904
the extremity of American
consumer culture,
783
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,030
and just the vast array
of opportunities
784
00:35:42,137 --> 00:35:45,897
to change yourself physically
beyond recognition.
785
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,790
And what is it about the work
that you enjoy?
786
00:35:48,896 --> 00:35:51,376
You could not like your nose,
have a big nose,
787
00:35:51,482 --> 00:35:53,862
and you can go and spend
three years
788
00:35:53,965 --> 00:35:57,095
on a psychiatrist couch,
and you'd come out
789
00:35:57,206 --> 00:35:59,206
maybe liking your nose better.
790
00:35:59,310 --> 00:36:01,590
I can do that in one hour,
791
00:36:01,689 --> 00:36:03,099
and you'll like your nose
better,
792
00:36:03,206 --> 00:36:06,066
so that's the magic
of plastic surgery.
793
00:36:07,482 --> 00:36:10,722
Pectoral implants,
bicep implants.
794
00:36:10,827 --> 00:36:12,657
Louis: Yeah, and has all
the work been done
795
00:36:12,758 --> 00:36:14,338
by Doctor Chugay?
796
00:36:14,448 --> 00:36:17,548
Except for a couple of my very,
very early surgeries,
797
00:36:17,655 --> 00:36:19,445
back in 1987.
798
00:36:19,551 --> 00:36:22,001
May I ask your age, Steve?
799
00:36:22,103 --> 00:36:25,693
I am, I never talk about my age,
800
00:36:25,793 --> 00:36:28,413
but I am approaching a half
a century old.
801
00:36:29,275 --> 00:36:31,025
- Quite remarkable.
802
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:33,970
Louis narrates: And you also
have the opportunity
803
00:36:34,068 --> 00:36:37,618
to remake your own
mental landscape.
804
00:36:37,724 --> 00:36:39,694
I tend to see the American
culture
805
00:36:39,793 --> 00:36:43,003
of psychiatric medication
at its edges
806
00:36:43,103 --> 00:36:46,213
as a kind of surgery
for the soul,
807
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:48,830
a chance to remake your own
personality,
808
00:36:48,931 --> 00:36:51,101
or your own sense of well-being.
809
00:36:51,206 --> 00:36:53,996
- Come on Hugh, don't worry.
810
00:36:54,103 --> 00:36:55,553
Have a seat, have a seat.
811
00:36:55,655 --> 00:36:58,655
- How do you do? I'm Louis,
nice to meet you Hugh.
812
00:36:58,758 --> 00:37:01,858
- He takes extended-release
Adderall.
813
00:37:01,965 --> 00:37:04,545
Adderall is an amphetamine
that controls ADHD,
814
00:37:04,655 --> 00:37:09,275
which allows him to fidget less,
and kind of focus more?
815
00:37:09,379 --> 00:37:12,169
- Exactly.
And then the Tenex,
816
00:37:12,275 --> 00:37:15,025
which the doctor at the time
had said might help control
817
00:37:15,137 --> 00:37:16,657
some of the impulses,
818
00:37:16,758 --> 00:37:20,238
and he takes for the bipolar
disorder Seroquel,
819
00:37:20,344 --> 00:37:22,344
200 milligrammes of Seroquel
in the morning.
820
00:37:22,448 --> 00:37:26,338
- Which is an antipsychotic?
- Exactly.
821
00:37:26,448 --> 00:37:27,478
- Atypical.
822
00:37:27,586 --> 00:37:29,336
Louis narrates: All of it
seemed to speak
823
00:37:29,448 --> 00:37:31,588
to this idea of America
as a world
824
00:37:31,689 --> 00:37:34,549
in which every imaginable
product was on offer,
825
00:37:34,655 --> 00:37:38,755
and every problem had
a consumer solution,
826
00:37:38,862 --> 00:37:43,762
but always with the risk
of going too far.
827
00:37:43,862 --> 00:37:48,212
Opioids are now the biggest drug
epidemic in American history.
828
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:52,170
I'd known about the opioid
crisis for years and years.
829
00:37:52,275 --> 00:37:54,405
Newsreader: We spent some time
in one city
830
00:37:54,517 --> 00:37:57,857
to get a sense of just how wide
and deep this crisis is,
831
00:37:57,965 --> 00:38:01,715
and how opioids have changed
the very fabric of life there.
832
00:38:01,827 --> 00:38:05,827
OxyContin,
this prescription painkiller
833
00:38:05,931 --> 00:38:08,451
that has some opiates in it,
834
00:38:08,551 --> 00:38:11,551
it used to be referred to as
'hillbilly heroin',
835
00:38:11,655 --> 00:38:13,165
that was in the late '90s.
836
00:38:13,275 --> 00:38:16,475
Some patients may be afraid
of taking opioids
837
00:38:16,586 --> 00:38:20,026
because they're perceived as
too strong or addictive,
838
00:38:20,137 --> 00:38:23,407
but that is far from
actual fact.
839
00:38:23,517 --> 00:38:24,717
I got my life back now,
840
00:38:24,827 --> 00:38:27,547
now I can enjoy every day
that I live,
841
00:38:27,655 --> 00:38:29,475
I can really enjoy myself,
842
00:38:29,586 --> 00:38:32,656
and before,
even a good day was hell,
843
00:38:32,758 --> 00:38:35,758
I mean I couldn't enjoy nothing,
but now I can enjoy myself.
844
00:38:35,862 --> 00:38:37,972
Louis narrates: They used
cheesy customer testimonials
845
00:38:38,068 --> 00:38:40,928
to proclaim the drug was safe,
and of course, it was a myth.
846
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,720
Big Pharma ended up being
847
00:38:43,827 --> 00:38:46,757
the biggest drug pushers
in America.
848
00:38:49,689 --> 00:38:52,139
The area we were in,
West Virginia,
849
00:38:52,241 --> 00:38:54,551
is particularly hard hit.
850
00:38:54,655 --> 00:38:55,785
First of all, you have jobs
851
00:38:55,896 --> 00:38:57,476
that take a lot out of you
physically,
852
00:38:57,586 --> 00:38:58,926
welding and steel work,
853
00:38:59,034 --> 00:39:02,174
so you're already looking
at quite a lot of people
854
00:39:02,275 --> 00:39:05,545
looking for pain killers
and getting them.
855
00:39:05,655 --> 00:39:08,235
And then when the laws were
tightened
856
00:39:08,344 --> 00:39:11,244
and OxyContin became harder
to get,
857
00:39:11,344 --> 00:39:13,144
then people turned to heroin.
858
00:39:19,482 --> 00:39:21,412
- May I come in?
- For sure, man.
859
00:39:21,517 --> 00:39:22,587
- Should I take my shoes off?
860
00:39:22,689 --> 00:39:25,169
- No, no, no, you're more
than welcome man, for sure.
861
00:39:25,275 --> 00:39:27,305
You know, a lot of people
migrate from
862
00:39:27,413 --> 00:39:30,003
dabbling with pain pills, right?
863
00:39:30,103 --> 00:39:31,143
That's what happened to me.
864
00:39:31,241 --> 00:39:33,481
I mean, it happens to everybody,
that's what happens to...
865
00:39:33,586 --> 00:39:35,136
- Go on, how did it work
in your case?
866
00:39:35,241 --> 00:39:39,661
- I got hit by a car
and that almost killed me.
867
00:39:39,758 --> 00:39:40,658
- How old were you?
868
00:39:40,758 --> 00:39:43,758
It happened September 26
of 2010.
869
00:39:43,862 --> 00:39:47,172
- So this is seven years ago,
you were about 26?
870
00:39:47,275 --> 00:39:48,715
- Uh, yeah, exactly.
871
00:39:50,758 --> 00:39:52,828
Louis narrates: The situation
in Huntington was so bad,
872
00:39:52,931 --> 00:39:55,281
it seemed to be more or less
the full-time job
873
00:39:55,379 --> 00:39:58,449
of the fire service
to go around reviving people
874
00:39:58,551 --> 00:39:59,521
who were overdosing.
875
00:39:59,620 --> 00:40:00,970
[sirens blaring]
876
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,790
- ..breathe for you,
so you can do other things.
877
00:40:10,206 --> 00:40:11,716
[mumbling]
878
00:40:11,827 --> 00:40:13,657
- Hey Melanie,
what did you take, honey?
879
00:40:13,758 --> 00:40:14,688
Melanie: Nothing.
880
00:40:14,793 --> 00:40:18,173
- No, that doesn't work,
we gave you some medicine
881
00:40:18,275 --> 00:40:20,715
that only works if you took
something,
882
00:40:20,827 --> 00:40:22,687
so did you do heroin?
883
00:40:22,793 --> 00:40:24,623
- I guess so, yeah.
- Yeah.
884
00:40:24,724 --> 00:40:26,384
- Did you snort it?
- Mmm.
885
00:40:26,482 --> 00:40:27,832
- Did you shoot it?
- Mmm.
886
00:40:29,448 --> 00:40:30,998
I've done stories before where
you arrive
887
00:40:31,103 --> 00:40:32,973
and you sort of have to work
to get to the story,
888
00:40:33,068 --> 00:40:36,138
and maybe it's less than
advertised,
889
00:40:36,241 --> 00:40:38,381
or not quite the same
as advertised,
890
00:40:38,482 --> 00:40:40,762
but Huntington really was, well,
891
00:40:40,862 --> 00:40:43,552
it was as bad as people
said it was.
892
00:40:44,275 --> 00:40:45,475
[dog barking]
893
00:40:46,655 --> 00:40:47,855
Louis: Hi there.
894
00:40:47,965 --> 00:40:49,685
Louis narrates: One of
the people we focused on
895
00:40:49,793 --> 00:40:52,483
was a 25 year old woman called
Katillia,
896
00:40:52,586 --> 00:40:55,026
who lived with her boyfriend
Alvin.
897
00:40:55,137 --> 00:40:58,717
- You OK, Katillia?
- Yeah, I'm fine.
898
00:40:58,827 --> 00:41:01,097
- I just needed to go
to the restroom real quick.
899
00:41:01,206 --> 00:41:02,896
Louis narrates: I don't think
she'd originally
900
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,590
been prescribed OxyContin
or a prescription drug,
901
00:41:05,689 --> 00:41:07,689
but I think one
of her friends had,
902
00:41:07,793 --> 00:41:12,523
she dipped into his or her bag,
recreationally,
903
00:41:12,620 --> 00:41:13,900
liked it and then carried on.
904
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,310
Louis: I don't want to sound
paranoid,
905
00:41:15,413 --> 00:41:17,663
but she's not,
is she shooting up in there?
906
00:41:17,758 --> 00:41:19,828
- You OK?
- Yeah, I'm fine.
907
00:41:19,931 --> 00:41:22,691
- Did you ask if I was shooting?
- Yeah, she's shooting.
908
00:41:24,034 --> 00:41:25,934
- Are you doing it now?
- Yeah.
909
00:41:26,034 --> 00:41:29,174
It's not, it's not,
it's just like a rinse,
910
00:41:29,275 --> 00:41:32,065
I've already done
my morning shot.
911
00:41:32,172 --> 00:41:33,592
It's something that kind of has
912
00:41:33,689 --> 00:41:37,239
a little bit of something in it
that will kind of relax me.
913
00:41:37,344 --> 00:41:39,554
How many times do you shoot up
a day then?
914
00:41:39,655 --> 00:41:43,685
I mean, it's at least six,
seven.
915
00:41:43,793 --> 00:41:45,763
- How old were you when you
first got involved
916
00:41:45,862 --> 00:41:50,142
- in a serious way with opiates?
- Serious way?
917
00:41:51,103 --> 00:41:53,073
- When I was about 17.
918
00:41:53,172 --> 00:41:55,102
Was there anything going on
in your life?
919
00:41:55,206 --> 00:41:57,276
Were you just partying
in a normal way
920
00:41:57,379 --> 00:41:59,239
or was there something else
going on?
921
00:41:59,344 --> 00:42:00,724
- Well growing up,
922
00:42:00,827 --> 00:42:03,027
my family does a lot of
manual labour work,
923
00:42:03,137 --> 00:42:06,097
a lot of people would take
medicine here and there,
924
00:42:06,206 --> 00:42:09,276
that would kind of keep them,
keep them...
925
00:42:09,379 --> 00:42:11,689
- Functioning?
- Yeah.
926
00:42:11,793 --> 00:42:14,793
Underneath it, she was so
intelligent and charming,
927
00:42:14,896 --> 00:42:19,996
and seemingly capable of
so much, that it was very sad.
928
00:42:22,068 --> 00:42:25,098
In her background, she'd been
placed for adoption by her mum,
929
00:42:25,206 --> 00:42:27,826
raised by her great uncle.
930
00:42:27,931 --> 00:42:29,721
It was obviously really
complicated,
931
00:42:29,827 --> 00:42:33,277
and then you add that
to a culture
932
00:42:33,379 --> 00:42:36,029
in which these highly addictive
prescription drugs
933
00:42:36,137 --> 00:42:41,067
are freely available, and
you are being set up to fail.
934
00:42:42,517 --> 00:42:44,717
This could be anyone who could
find their life
935
00:42:44,827 --> 00:42:46,617
turned upside down.
936
00:42:46,724 --> 00:42:50,794
It's you, it's me, it's your
mum, it's everyone else.
937
00:42:50,896 --> 00:42:52,716
- How old are you, Edwin?
- I'm 42.
938
00:42:52,827 --> 00:42:53,827
- 42?
939
00:42:53,931 --> 00:42:55,661
I mean I have a degree
and everything.
940
00:42:55,758 --> 00:42:59,828
It's, I mean I had a business
up until six months ago.
941
00:42:59,931 --> 00:43:01,521
- What sort of business?
942
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:02,550
Computer business.
943
00:43:02,655 --> 00:43:06,065
I was doing network auditing
and penetration testing.
944
00:43:06,172 --> 00:43:07,072
That's a good living.
945
00:43:07,172 --> 00:43:08,072
- It's a great living.
946
00:43:08,172 --> 00:43:09,382
I made a lot of money at it,
I mean...
947
00:43:09,482 --> 00:43:10,382
- Did you? How much?
948
00:43:10,482 --> 00:43:14,832
At one point, I was making
at least over 200,000 a year.
949
00:43:14,931 --> 00:43:16,451
- Are you serious?
- Yeah.
950
00:43:16,551 --> 00:43:19,621
- Did you hear that Mickey?
Edwin's a computer boffin.
951
00:43:19,724 --> 00:43:21,174
It kills movie stars, man,
952
00:43:21,275 --> 00:43:22,895
it doesn't discriminate
on who you are.
953
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:23,930
- Getting off of it,
954
00:43:24,034 --> 00:43:26,034
it's always waiting around
the corner for you to stumble.
955
00:43:26,137 --> 00:43:27,687
Absolutely it is.
956
00:43:27,793 --> 00:43:30,313
There's no chemical solution
for a God-sized problem, man.
957
00:43:30,413 --> 00:43:31,763
- No, there's not.
958
00:43:31,862 --> 00:43:33,692
I've stolen from my own kids
to get high.
959
00:43:33,793 --> 00:43:38,243
I've let guys suck my dick
to get high.
960
00:43:38,344 --> 00:43:40,624
I mean it's,
you'll do whatever it takes.
961
00:43:40,724 --> 00:43:42,624
[mobile phone ringing]
962
00:43:44,068 --> 00:43:45,168
There's nothing I could say
963
00:43:45,275 --> 00:43:47,475
that would persuade you
not to do that?
964
00:43:53,620 --> 00:43:56,660
- Add a lighter to that...
965
00:44:06,862 --> 00:44:11,072
It's not bad, I've had better,
it's not bad.
966
00:44:11,172 --> 00:44:13,722
- How long are you good for now,
do you think?
967
00:44:13,827 --> 00:44:16,277
Probably with this,
maybe a couple hours.
968
00:44:19,448 --> 00:44:21,658
If I had something stronger,
969
00:44:21,758 --> 00:44:24,968
it would last a good six hours
at least.
970
00:44:25,068 --> 00:44:27,308
This, just a couple of hours.
971
00:44:29,344 --> 00:44:34,034
- Right now, I'm gonna be
like this until,
972
00:44:34,137 --> 00:44:40,307
until I can try to overpower
my addiction.
973
00:44:46,068 --> 00:44:48,208
Louis narrates: Since I finished
the film about Huntington,
974
00:44:48,310 --> 00:44:51,280
the situation continues to be
awful.
975
00:44:51,379 --> 00:44:55,519
More than 100 people die
every day in America
976
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from an overdose or opioids.
977
00:44:59,896 --> 00:45:01,516
Increasingly,
what's been happening
978
00:45:01,620 --> 00:45:04,280
is local governments and state
agencies have sued
979
00:45:04,379 --> 00:45:06,549
the big pharmaceutical companies
980
00:45:06,655 --> 00:45:09,095
for allowing their drugs
to be abused,
981
00:45:09,206 --> 00:45:12,966
and for the cost of the public
health crisis that's ensued.
982
00:45:13,068 --> 00:45:14,998
What I take from it is the ease
983
00:45:15,103 --> 00:45:18,763
with which people can be swept
up in a situation
984
00:45:18,862 --> 00:45:23,662
not of their choosing,
robbed of their free will,
985
00:45:23,758 --> 00:45:28,548
and made prisoners,
of desires created in them
986
00:45:28,655 --> 00:45:31,655
by some outside entity.
987
00:45:46,896 --> 00:45:48,656
[Skype dial tone]
988
00:45:52,172 --> 00:45:53,722
- Hello!
- Hey.
989
00:45:53,827 --> 00:45:55,377
Look at you.
990
00:45:55,482 --> 00:45:56,792
[giggling]
991
00:45:56,896 --> 00:45:58,446
You look different,
you look younger.
992
00:45:58,551 --> 00:45:59,761
Is that possible?
993
00:45:59,862 --> 00:46:05,032
Younger, I couldn't.
No, not possible with me, no.
994
00:46:05,137 --> 00:46:09,337
- Maybe heroin has life
preserving properties.
995
00:46:09,448 --> 00:46:11,238
Ha-ha, probably.
996
00:46:11,344 --> 00:46:12,904
What happened after we left?
997
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,970
- It got really crazy.
998
00:46:18,965 --> 00:46:20,655
- What had you been injecting?
999
00:46:20,758 --> 00:46:23,098
- Pretty much everything.
1000
00:46:23,206 --> 00:46:25,096
- Was it meth or heroin?
1001
00:46:25,206 --> 00:46:27,096
- Both. And crack.
1002
00:46:27,206 --> 00:46:29,826
And so you just went
to the dark side?
1003
00:46:29,931 --> 00:46:31,311
Yep.
1004
00:46:31,413 --> 00:46:33,483
Forgive me if this is
an intrusive question,
1005
00:46:33,586 --> 00:46:35,446
but are you clean now?
1006
00:46:35,551 --> 00:46:39,411
I mean, besides the casual drink
here and there...
1007
00:46:39,517 --> 00:46:41,827
Yeah, I would count that
as clean.
1008
00:46:42,758 --> 00:46:44,478
- You OK?
- Yeah, I'm OK.
1009
00:46:44,586 --> 00:46:45,926
- Are you getting hot?
- I'm just...
1010
00:46:46,034 --> 00:46:50,624
- No, I'm not getting hot.
I need to move positions.
1011
00:46:50,724 --> 00:46:51,834
Show me around a bit.
1012
00:46:51,931 --> 00:46:55,341
I'd like to see a little bit,
stand up and lift it up,
1013
00:46:55,448 --> 00:46:57,338
wave it around show me
a few things.
1014
00:46:57,448 --> 00:47:00,068
Louis narrates:
Katillia overdosed massively,
1015
00:47:00,172 --> 00:47:03,972
woke up, she'd been beaten up,
she was on life support,
1016
00:47:04,068 --> 00:47:07,408
and as she explained it to me,
she nearly died,
1017
00:47:07,517 --> 00:47:09,027
and that seems to have been
1018
00:47:09,137 --> 00:47:11,897
the trigger for her to change
her life.
1019
00:47:13,310 --> 00:47:15,140
- Are we heading out back now?
1020
00:47:15,241 --> 00:47:19,001
- Yep. We do have tomato plants.
1021
00:47:19,103 --> 00:47:20,933
You do some gardening?
1022
00:47:21,034 --> 00:47:23,074
- Yeah, just tomato plants.
1023
00:47:23,793 --> 00:47:24,723
- That's nice.
1024
00:47:24,827 --> 00:47:26,547
- Got a tomato growing
right here.
1025
00:47:27,275 --> 00:47:29,515
- There we go.
1026
00:47:29,620 --> 00:47:34,070
- That'll be good for at least
one BLT in a couple of weeks.
1027
00:47:34,172 --> 00:47:35,762
[imitating British accent]
'Tomatoes'.
1028
00:47:35,862 --> 00:47:38,412
What I am pleased about
is to see
1029
00:47:38,517 --> 00:47:39,447
that you are doing well
1030
00:47:39,551 --> 00:47:41,141
because I don't know that I knew
for sure
1031
00:47:41,241 --> 00:47:44,451
which way you were likely to go
when I filmed with you,
1032
00:47:44,551 --> 00:47:48,721
so I want to say congratulations
on how far you've come,
1033
00:47:48,827 --> 00:47:52,967
you know, because you are
an example of how it can happen.
1034
00:47:53,068 --> 00:47:55,168
- Thank you.
I want to make sure
1035
00:47:55,275 --> 00:47:58,165
that what I've done it gets
turned into something positive.
1036
00:47:59,827 --> 00:48:02,997
Because I have built back
relationships
1037
00:48:03,103 --> 00:48:07,173
and I am gonna make sure
I hold onto them,
1038
00:48:07,275 --> 00:48:10,405
mostly with family,
people who are more important
1039
00:48:10,517 --> 00:48:12,547
than the people I was around.
1040
00:48:15,896 --> 00:48:19,476
To make mistakes and to
occasionally self sabotage
1041
00:48:19,586 --> 00:48:20,686
or get in your own way,
1042
00:48:20,793 --> 00:48:22,723
I think is part of how you
learn.
1043
00:48:22,827 --> 00:48:24,067
- Take care, Katillia.
Thank you.
1044
00:48:24,172 --> 00:48:25,102
The idea, oh well,
1045
00:48:25,206 --> 00:48:28,756
people should just do everything
in moderation, always,
1046
00:48:28,862 --> 00:48:31,242
I don't really believe that.
1047
00:48:31,344 --> 00:48:35,214
A, it's not realistic,
but B, it's not really desirable
1048
00:48:35,310 --> 00:48:38,280
because one of the great
satisfactions of life
1049
00:48:38,379 --> 00:48:40,479
is getting through scrapes,
1050
00:48:40,586 --> 00:48:42,206
making mistakes
and then doing better.
1051
00:48:43,655 --> 00:48:47,655
It's inextricable from what
it means to be alive.
1052
00:48:47,758 --> 00:48:50,378
Right now, there's nothing you
could give me I'd do over this.
1053
00:48:50,482 --> 00:48:52,592
- Why?
- Because I like this.
1054
00:48:52,689 --> 00:48:53,829
Whether it's an act or not,
1055
00:48:53,931 --> 00:48:55,551
you feel like they give
a damn about you.
1056
00:48:57,586 --> 00:49:00,926
- Do you... Looking back,
do you have regrets?
1057
00:49:01,034 --> 00:49:02,724
I don't feel that's healthy.
1058
00:49:02,827 --> 00:49:04,687
I think it's much better
to look at,
1059
00:49:04,793 --> 00:49:06,553
instead of looking at something
as a regret,
1060
00:49:06,655 --> 00:49:07,785
look at it as a lesson learned,
1061
00:49:07,896 --> 00:49:10,136
and look at it as something that
will help build
1062
00:49:10,241 --> 00:49:12,621
who you are and help build
your character today.
1063
00:49:12,724 --> 00:49:15,004
Because otherwise,
there's just no point to go,
1064
00:49:15,103 --> 00:49:16,483
"Man, I wish I wouldn't have
done that,
1065
00:49:16,586 --> 00:49:17,966
"I wish I wouldn't have
done that,"
1066
00:49:18,068 --> 00:49:20,588
because we can't change
the past, we can't.
1067
00:49:20,689 --> 00:49:24,999
When my son died, inside,
I was still in so much pain,
1068
00:49:25,103 --> 00:49:27,693
that working in the adult
industry is almost
1069
00:49:27,793 --> 00:49:29,763
like a therapy,
like a type of therapy
1070
00:49:29,862 --> 00:49:31,722
that helped me get through
that stage of my life,
1071
00:49:31,827 --> 00:49:34,237
that I don't know what would
have happened,
1072
00:49:34,344 --> 00:49:37,794
had that particular part
of my life never occurred.
1073
00:49:37,896 --> 00:49:40,996
That's fascinating,
I didn't expect you to say that.
1074
00:49:43,689 --> 00:49:46,309
Director: Take six, marker.
1075
00:49:46,413 --> 00:49:47,933
Louis narrates:
Pleasure in general,
1076
00:49:48,034 --> 00:49:50,414
I think it's simplistic to
imagine
1077
00:49:50,517 --> 00:49:52,967
there's, you know,
exactly the right amount
1078
00:49:53,068 --> 00:49:56,408
of indulgence or risk taking,
or naughtiness,
1079
00:49:56,517 --> 00:50:00,097
however you want
to characterise that.
1080
00:50:01,448 --> 00:50:04,068
On one end,
you're ruining your life.
1081
00:50:04,172 --> 00:50:08,032
Well, that's clearly bad,
or dying of a drug overdose,
1082
00:50:08,137 --> 00:50:11,717
and then over here is leading
a blameless life
1083
00:50:11,827 --> 00:50:14,927
that is utterly without
any pith or grit,
1084
00:50:15,034 --> 00:50:19,974
you know, totally boring.
1085
00:50:20,068 --> 00:50:22,928
And so in between there,
you've got to find your place.
1086
00:50:24,448 --> 00:50:25,688
Director: Where are you?
1087
00:50:26,448 --> 00:50:29,408
I'm about there.
1088
00:50:34,241 --> 00:50:35,591
A lot of martinis.
1089
00:50:35,689 --> 00:50:37,689
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