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It is said that there are
no secrets in a small town.
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But in Skidmore, those who know who
killed Ken Rex McElroy won't say.
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Nobody deserves to be murdered.
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However...
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Ken McElroy terrorized the town
of Skidmore, Missouri,
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for more than ten years,
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then in broad daylight,
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with more than 45
people watching,
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Ken McElroy was gunned
down and killed.
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But nobody saw a thing,
and nobody did anything.
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This town was so full of sin.
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It was proud
they had killed him.
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If they catch somebody,
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would you feel
that justice has been done?
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No, because there
was a whole town.
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That was the one
mistake that they made.
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They didn't kill his wife.
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I would've killed his wife.
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Mrs. McElroy,
I know this is upsetting to you.
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Yes.
I turned around and...
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and he had been shot.
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And... I opened the door and...
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they said... The man told me
to stay in there,
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they wanted to shoot me too.
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Yes. Yes. I am.
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I have been wondering why
they haven't done anything.
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Yes, I do.
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Yes, I do.
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Nothing.
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Oh, yes.
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They haven't done nothing.
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Not in Nodaway County, no.
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I don't know what their problem
is, but I know who did it.
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I do not know.
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No, I do not want
to go out of county.
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I don't believe that
I'd be safe there.
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Can we take a break
just a minute, fellas?
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Trena was devoted
to Ken, in a sick way,
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clear all the way
through to the end.
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After McElroy was killed, she...
she was still fighting for him.
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This is
the tale of a small farm town,
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Skidmore, Missouri,
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and the bad brazen bully
who terrorized its people.
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Kenneth Rex McElroy
was 47 years old,
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and was known far and wide
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as the meanest man
in Nodaway County.
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His widow, Trena McElroy,
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says he was a loving father
and a kind husband.
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She was there at the D&G bar
with him when he was shot.
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The first time
I actually had anybody
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ask me anything
about Ken McElroy
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was when I was a freshman
in high school.
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My mom asked me
if I had seen Trena McCloud
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get on and off the school bus
and go with anybody,
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and I hadn't, 'cause
I wasn't paying attention.
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My daughter and her
used to go to school together.
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So she says "That girl's
gonna get in trouble,"
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and I said "What do you mean?"
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She said she met Ken McElroy
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down at the Four Corners
from Maitland.
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She couldn't wait till
she got in that truck with him.
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We started hearing that he was
picking Trena up from school
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and then taking her back
to get on the bus going home.
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And it wasn't long after that
that she dropped out of school.
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She loved him.
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She followed him.
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I mean she followed him.
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They were lovers.
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Over his life,
he had five wives,
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and anywhere between
16 to 19 children.
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That's a lot of McElroys.
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Well, it's really no big secret
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that Dad was seeing women
that were a lot younger.
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Fourteen I would say was
probably pretty close to average.
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The story on it was that they
wanted to get married,
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and parents said no, he's...
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'cause he was still
married at the time
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he was asking about it.
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Dad hooked up with Trena,
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they were kind of
sharing Dad for a minute,
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and Trena got upset
because Dad would not stop
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seeing his wife,
and that's when the whole
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rape thing came in.
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They began seeing
each other when she was 14.
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At 16, she accused him of rape.
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They said he raped her.
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You know, I don't
know that for sure.
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You know, he'd asked for consent
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from her parents again,
and they said,
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"No, you can't marry him",
and next thing you knew
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their house burned down.
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None of that was true.
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That was made up shit.
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I don't believe my dad
burnt down their house.
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There was a lot of
stories that circulated
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around Trena's family.
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Mom told me they were bullshit.
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Is it true that when
you were still a schoolgirl,
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sixteen years old,
that your husband raped you?
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No. This is not true, no.
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He was charged with rape.
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Yes, he was charged with it.
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But it's not true.
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- You brought the charge against him?
- Yes. And it's not true.
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Why did you do it?
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Jealousy.
I was jealous over him,
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but it's not true.
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Was your
parents' house burnt down?
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No, it was not burnt down,
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it was defaulty wiring.
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And the record should show
it's defaulty wiring.
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It was...
It was just a charge to...
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more trouble,
like everybody usually did.
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- More trouble.
- Including you, you gave him trouble.
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Yes. Yes.
And it's not true.
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It wasn't true at all.
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When the law enforcement
was closing in on him
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to arrest him and charge him
with statutory rape
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he fled to Kansas
and married her,
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so that she couldn't testify.
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They might have been in love.
I don't know.
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What people
are gonna ask, Trena,
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that how can we believe
her when she says
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her husband was a fine man,
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if she says she was
lying when she said
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her husband raped her.
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'Cause he was a fine man,
and he never did nothing like that.
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He never had--He never had to do
anything like that in the first place.
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He was a nice-looking,
well-mannered man,
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and he never had
to do anything like that.
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It's untrue.
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Well, I know
Ken Rex had two wives.
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Alice and Trena.
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It was an odd setup.
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They lived together.
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Their kids got on
the same school bus everyday.
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My mom was pretty young.
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She was about 14 when Dad
started seeing her as well.
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The relationship between
Trena and Mom
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was kind of different,
I mean almost like sisters
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if that makes sense.
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I felt they were with Dad
because they loved him.
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I'm sure there were people
who really objected to it.
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There's two churches
in the town,
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so I'm sure the churchy
people didn't like it.
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None of the townspeople
thought that was a good idea
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'cause none of us
were raised that way.
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In fact, it's against the law.
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You can't be married to
two people at the same time.
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Bigamy, or whatever it's called.
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But Ken Rex wasn't a man
that followed the laws anyway.
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He was just totally
different from anybody.
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He was. He was fearless.
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He wasn't afraid of anything.
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To be quite honest, the time that we
lived with Trena and Mom and everybody,
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I don't remember anything bad.
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I mean, I remember us kids chasing
each other through the house,
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swimming in the horse trough
outside,
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chasing lightning bugs
in the field.
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Mom and Trena
they always cooked.
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They made pies and
put them in the window.
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I've heard Ken Rex
was really a great dad.
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But at the same time,
they've had to have witnessed
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abuse to their mothers.
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It wasn't like all the time.
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But yeah, there was abuse.
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We never saw the abuse.
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You might see a black eye
or something later,
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but you didn't know
where it came from.
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It was never done
in front of us.
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I don't know if she
even knew she was abused.
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You know, you grow up, you just
think that's the way the world is.
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I don't know.
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They've always been this
way towards my husband.
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I do not know.
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They've...
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I don't know.
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You say that 50 or 60 people
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saw the gunman
who fired at your husband.
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Yes, they was all there.
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I looked at them to see
what they was looking at.
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They were just
staring and laughing.
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The gunman.
Who was that?
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By the time we got it,
see, the investigation people
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had stripped the inside.
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When it came in,
it had two bullet holes
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through the side of
the box over there
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that came up, there was holes
in the back of the cab,
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the front of the box,
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and in through the windshield,
through the back glass.
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Side glass was blown out.
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New seats from the bloodstains.
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And then,
there was specks of blood
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all over the inside, of course,
and we had to clean all that up.
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Who has a town of 400 people...
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and better than 60
of them are gathered
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around a pickup truck,
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and you've got
people shooting a man
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sitting inside of it, but yet...
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there's not one
person that saw it.
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First thing I think about
when I think about Skidmore is
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what happened to
my dad and my family,
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and pretty much how it
transformed our lives.
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The day my father was killed,
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I was 13 years old.
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I remember we was on our way
to my dad's house.
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The phone call it came,
and I seen the reaction
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on my mom's face.
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I don't know how else to put it,
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other than the fact that...
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I knew.
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I didn't feel it
on the ride up there like that,
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because I was just
not sure what to feel.
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But there's a lot of things
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that throughout these
37 years that... I forgot.
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Maybe I don't wanna remember.
You know what I mean?
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I put that part of my life
behind me for a reason.
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The things that you
don't ever forget
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is that blood running
down the streets,
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you don't forget the bone,
the hair, the flesh.
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You'll never, ever,
forget seeing
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your father's meat and flesh
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blown all over
the inside of a pickup.
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You can't erase that memory.
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That is something
you'll never get rid of.
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I remember us all
sitting at the farmhouse,
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all the kids, and them
all telling us, you know...
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he went to heaven.
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And I remember standing
at the back door
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looking up at the sky.
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All the kids were crying a lot.
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I mean, I was pretty young,
so...
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that's about all
I can remember of it.
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You know,
I don't blame those kids
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for being upset
'cause their dad was shot.
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I can't imagine being them,
growing up with the McElroy name,
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and having to be
associated with all that.
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Pretty much when you
start looking back at things,
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you understand where people were created...
and why they were created.
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I think that
Ken Rex McElroy's upbringing
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had a lot to do
with the man he became.
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He was the 13th out of 14 kids.
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You're fighting for food,
your place at the table,
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you're probably fighting
for your space in the bed.
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You're fighting for everything.
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He was uneducated...
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back then and some now.
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Poor families
were looked down on,
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felt sorry for,
and he didn't like that image.
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I think that he refused
to feel inferior to anybody.
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There's not a lot
of money in the house.
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Your father is
probably pretty abusive.
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Not only to you, but to the
brothers and sisters that you love.
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My mom said that
my dad did love animals.
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She knew that he had love
for animals a long time.
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Grandpa kind of proceeded
to beat that out of him.
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The one story was
where he was in the barn,
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and Grandpa was wanting him
to do something that was
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abusive to an animal,
and my dad, I guess,
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had refused multiple times
to do what was being asked,
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and so Grandpa
would keep punishing him
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until he would finally
get him to break
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and do what he would request.
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In a situation like that,
it's pretty easy
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to grow up to be a bully.
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People call him
a town bully, that's not right.
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He was a rural terrorist.
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Do I believe that there
was bad things that Dad did?
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Yes.
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He wasn't a perfect man by far.
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But they planned that murder.
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They went in,
they had a town meeting,
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they all sat down together,
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they decided that they were
gonna do it, and they done it.
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I mean, when you've got the law,
you've got the judicial system,
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everybody in the area,
they're related to one another...
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everybody covers for everybody.
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We're talking to
David Baird, B-A-I-R-D,
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the Nodaway County prosecutor.
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Mr. Baird, how would you
describe the situation
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with the investigation
at this point?
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So, when we start
talking about the day
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of the shooting
of Ken Rex McElroy,
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we have to move out of
2018 and back to 1981.
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00:18:35,873 --> 00:18:38,603
And I say that because
it's a change in technology.
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We did not have cellphones,
we did not have texting,
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we did not have
any of the things
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that we take for granted today.
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Well, we started off
with a NOMIS squad,
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which started on
the Friday of the shooting
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which was the 10th of July.
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NOMIS is a major case squad
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made up of law enforcement
throughout northwest Missouri.
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When NOMIS is activated,
it's activated for a five day period.
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It's designed to be short,
quick, get in, get out.
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We had anywhere
from 18 to 25 officers
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working nearly around
the clock and thereafter
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on all day shifts.
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How can you
have this many people
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near where a murder
was perpetrated
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and not have anyone say
that they actually saw
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the person who did it.
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I can't really answer that.
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Has that been one of the stumbling
blocks thus far, or what?
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That's been
a big stumbling block.
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The process is that you
start with what you know
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at the center, and then
you see how far it expands out.
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The only real witness they had
was Mrs. McElroy.
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Trena McElroy
told reporters she knows
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who killed her husband.
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00:20:00,233 --> 00:20:03,343
But Mrs. McElroy accused
authorities of not working
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to solve the homicide.
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00:20:07,033 --> 00:20:08,523
Just tell
me what happened, right,
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I mean there was
tension in the air
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00:20:11,382 --> 00:20:13,762
in that place, right?
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00:20:13,867 --> 00:20:16,147
I seen a man go
across the street,
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00:20:16,249 --> 00:20:19,529
go to his pickup,
take the gun out,
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and I seen him shoot it.
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00:20:21,185 --> 00:20:22,875
Who was that?
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It was Del Clement.
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Del Clement was
a rancher in the Skidmore area,
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lived out west of town.
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00:20:34,888 --> 00:20:38,688
And as far as why he
would have a reason
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00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:42,449
to kill Ken Rex McElroy,
I wouldn't have a clue.
325
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He shot two times
while I was in there.
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He shot two more times
when I was getting out.
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00:21:00,569 --> 00:21:02,919
And I don't know how many more.
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00:21:03,020 --> 00:21:05,060
You're absolutely
positive it was Del Clement
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- who shot your husband?
- Yes. I seen him shoot it.
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She said she saw Del Clement.
331
00:21:10,855 --> 00:21:16,335
She saw him holding
a long gun of some type.
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00:21:16,447 --> 00:21:19,347
Sure, I believe her.
No reason not to.
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00:21:22,557 --> 00:21:26,937
Trena says
she saw who killed Ken.
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00:21:27,044 --> 00:21:30,704
Trena is a liar.
Let's make it plain.
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00:21:30,806 --> 00:21:35,156
If you knew Skidmore,
you knew that there was
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00:21:35,259 --> 00:21:38,059
lots of trouble between Ken
Rex McElroy and Del Clement.
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00:21:38,158 --> 00:21:40,438
Del Clement,
the owner of the D&G bar,
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00:21:40,540 --> 00:21:43,650
was one of the shooters,
according to McElroy's wife. He denies it.
339
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:48,380
The Clement family,
they were pillars of the community.
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00:21:48,479 --> 00:21:50,929
Del, he was the cowboy.
341
00:21:51,033 --> 00:21:53,733
And he was the big cowboy
in this area.
342
00:21:53,829 --> 00:21:56,939
I mean at the rodeos,
he was the pickup man.
343
00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:00,279
All that. Good cowboy.
344
00:22:00,388 --> 00:22:04,048
He was the one who walked
into the bar that day
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00:22:04,150 --> 00:22:07,770
and told McElroy to
get the hell out of town.
346
00:22:07,878 --> 00:22:09,808
Had there
been bad blood between...
347
00:22:09,914 --> 00:22:14,094
Not that I know of. I never did know
my husband even talking to the man.
348
00:22:14,194 --> 00:22:15,714
The only thing that we did here
349
00:22:15,817 --> 00:22:18,227
that if my husband
went into town,
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00:22:18,337 --> 00:22:21,437
they would lose $60
a day in their tavern.
351
00:22:21,547 --> 00:22:24,137
Because nobody
would come in the bar.
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00:22:24,239 --> 00:22:27,349
So the suggestion is
that Ken Rex McElroy
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00:22:27,449 --> 00:22:29,559
was bad for the D&G's business.
354
00:22:29,658 --> 00:22:31,728
The rumor was.
355
00:22:31,833 --> 00:22:33,393
The rumor, yeah.
The rumor was.
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00:22:33,490 --> 00:22:35,530
But, he never caused no trouble.
357
00:22:35,630 --> 00:22:38,600
My husband never caused
no trouble with nobody.
358
00:22:38,702 --> 00:22:42,502
Don't believe everything
you hear in Skidmore.
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00:22:44,984 --> 00:22:46,264
OK?
360
00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:50,675
One thing people in
Nodaway County are free with
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00:22:50,783 --> 00:22:53,863
is opinions.
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00:22:55,477 --> 00:23:00,997
Small towns are small towns.
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00:23:01,103 --> 00:23:04,113
Everybody's got their
thought of how it happened,
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00:23:04,210 --> 00:23:06,040
why it happened, who did it.
365
00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:09,346
How do you tell the truth?
366
00:23:09,457 --> 00:23:12,047
How do you find the truth?
367
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:14,459
You've gotta
look at it logically
368
00:23:14,565 --> 00:23:18,975
because there's so
many emotions involved...
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00:23:19,087 --> 00:23:21,157
in anything like this.
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00:23:21,261 --> 00:23:28,171
She was a very staunch
supporter of Ken Rex McElroy.
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00:23:29,338 --> 00:23:31,688
She rode around in the trucks.
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00:23:32,583 --> 00:23:35,003
Had guns in her hand.
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00:23:35,103 --> 00:23:39,663
Trena was very devoted...
in a twisted way.
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00:23:41,489 --> 00:23:44,149
They were his backups,
you know a lot of time
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00:23:44,250 --> 00:23:46,250
they went to a bar,
they'd sit outside
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00:23:46,355 --> 00:23:50,075
with their shotguns, you know,
in case there was trouble.
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00:23:53,017 --> 00:23:55,157
It'd be like Bonnie and Clyde.
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00:23:57,401 --> 00:24:01,161
It's her word against
Del Clement's, I guess.
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00:24:12,485 --> 00:24:13,755
Skidmore residents deny
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00:24:13,866 --> 00:24:15,486
a vigilante group
killed McElroy.
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00:24:15,592 --> 00:24:18,282
One resident said he hopes
the case is solved soon
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00:24:18,387 --> 00:24:20,767
so the town can return
to a normal life.
383
00:24:20,873 --> 00:24:22,773
Except for McElroy's wife,
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00:24:22,875 --> 00:24:24,215
no one has come forward
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00:24:24,324 --> 00:24:26,054
to point out a suspect
in his killing.
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00:24:26,154 --> 00:24:27,604
Authorities believe that
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00:24:27,707 --> 00:24:29,427
half of the town's
citizens saw it,
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00:24:29,537 --> 00:24:32,817
but no one will come forward.
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00:24:32,919 --> 00:24:37,029
I did not anticipate
that we would not have
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00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:39,240
witnesses, testimony,
and evidence
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00:24:39,339 --> 00:24:41,889
within a relatively
short period of time.
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00:24:46,036 --> 00:24:49,696
You know, it's frustrating for a prosecutor,
it's frustrating for the officers,
393
00:24:49,798 --> 00:24:52,798
but that's, you know,
the situation that we're in now.
394
00:24:54,665 --> 00:24:57,185
There's a bit of
pressure on law enforcement
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00:24:57,288 --> 00:25:00,428
whenever a crime goes unsolved.
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00:25:00,533 --> 00:25:04,473
There's a bit of pressure.
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00:25:04,572 --> 00:25:08,232
Understand that
the prosecutor doesn't really
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00:25:08,334 --> 00:25:11,104
have anything to do
with the investigation.
399
00:25:11,199 --> 00:25:13,059
The investigation is
done by law enforcement.
400
00:25:13,166 --> 00:25:17,096
My reports come from
the state investigation,
401
00:25:17,205 --> 00:25:20,795
which in this case was NOMIS
and the sheriff's department.
402
00:25:23,487 --> 00:25:26,107
Ken McElroy was shot
and killed last Friday
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00:25:26,214 --> 00:25:28,294
over in Skidmore Missouri,
and since that time
404
00:25:28,388 --> 00:25:31,428
I know the Northwest Missouri Major
Case Squad has been called in.
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00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:35,290
What has your investigation
been focusing on?
406
00:25:35,395 --> 00:25:38,085
I can't really comment
on that at this time.
407
00:25:38,191 --> 00:25:43,061
NOMIS called almost immediately
for a coroner's inquest.
408
00:25:43,162 --> 00:25:46,612
Coroner's inquests
are sort of a mini grand jury.
409
00:25:46,717 --> 00:25:49,167
It's six people
that are in panel,
410
00:25:49,271 --> 00:25:52,001
they hear testimony,
and their job
411
00:25:52,102 --> 00:25:55,002
is to determine whether or not
a crime has been committed.
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00:25:55,105 --> 00:25:58,865
And the statute says
that if they come back and say,
413
00:25:58,971 --> 00:26:01,531
"We find this was
by criminal means",
414
00:26:01,629 --> 00:26:03,699
and name a specific individual,
415
00:26:03,803 --> 00:26:06,433
that, in effect,
becomes an indictment
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00:26:06,530 --> 00:26:09,220
based upon their findings.
417
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:14,880
It was a way for
independent individuals
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00:26:14,987 --> 00:26:18,267
unrelated to the case
to hear the testimony
419
00:26:18,369 --> 00:26:22,859
of Mrs. McElroy, to determine
if they would believe
420
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,310
her statement and her testimony
421
00:26:25,411 --> 00:26:29,831
as to this is how
the incident occurred.
422
00:26:29,933 --> 00:26:32,943
I'm not sure you could
find a true impartial jury
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00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:35,899
in Skidmore, Missouri.
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00:26:36,008 --> 00:26:39,528
- Were you in town the
day of the shooting? -Yes.
425
00:26:39,632 --> 00:26:41,052
Where were you?
426
00:26:41,151 --> 00:26:43,711
Just a block, the little
white house on the corner,
427
00:26:43,809 --> 00:26:46,119
but I didn't hear, see,
or anything,
428
00:26:46,225 --> 00:26:48,845
'cause I was working
out in the garden,
429
00:26:48,952 --> 00:26:51,232
and I just didn't have any care.
430
00:26:53,439 --> 00:26:55,989
People's afraid
to say what they seen
431
00:26:56,097 --> 00:26:58,337
because they're afraid
what's gonna happen to them
432
00:26:58,444 --> 00:26:59,934
and their family.
433
00:27:04,346 --> 00:27:06,626
Counselor, who shot him?
434
00:27:06,728 --> 00:27:09,388
His wife says that Mr. Clement.
435
00:27:09,489 --> 00:27:10,839
Del Clement shot him.
436
00:27:11,906 --> 00:27:14,936
Now, the prosecuting
attorney has said
437
00:27:15,047 --> 00:27:18,707
well it seems that,
and I understand this is the allegation,
438
00:27:18,809 --> 00:27:23,259
that probably he was shot
by more than one person.
439
00:27:23,365 --> 00:27:25,055
And they've tried to
make something of that,
440
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,200
as far as I read
in the news media,
441
00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:31,100
Mrs. McElroy says
that could well be.
442
00:27:31,201 --> 00:27:33,441
But she said I saw
one of the people
443
00:27:33,548 --> 00:27:36,168
who shot my husband.
444
00:27:36,275 --> 00:27:38,475
She went to
the coroner's inquest and...
445
00:27:38,587 --> 00:27:41,277
and she testified
that she saw Del Clement
446
00:27:41,383 --> 00:27:47,363
grab a high powered rifle
out of his pickup truck
447
00:27:47,458 --> 00:27:50,458
and fire the shots
that killed her husband.
448
00:27:55,087 --> 00:27:57,157
I'm gonna play defense now.
449
00:27:57,261 --> 00:28:00,401
He had a motive.
So did 30 other people.
450
00:28:01,438 --> 00:28:03,268
Who's your eyewitness?
451
00:28:03,371 --> 00:28:04,481
Trena McElroy.
452
00:28:05,994 --> 00:28:07,894
Now, the truth is...
453
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:18,080
The truth is that, um,
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00:28:18,179 --> 00:28:23,179
at one point we had another
witness who we were prepared
455
00:28:23,287 --> 00:28:25,457
to take in front
of the grand jury
456
00:28:25,565 --> 00:28:28,905
who then got an attorney,
recanted, and wouldn't testify.
457
00:28:29,017 --> 00:28:33,397
I can't put on that
he previously told the officer
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00:28:33,504 --> 00:28:34,854
here's who it was.
459
00:28:37,336 --> 00:28:40,236
One person was
gonna go up to testify.
460
00:28:40,339 --> 00:28:45,209
And I heard that when
he went up to testify, uh,
461
00:28:45,309 --> 00:28:47,279
the prosecutor was
gonna put him in a room
462
00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:48,830
to put down what he said,
463
00:28:48,934 --> 00:28:51,834
well when he went back,
his fence was cut and his cattle was took.
464
00:28:51,937 --> 00:28:55,657
They was gone. They had
drove them out of the lot.
465
00:28:55,768 --> 00:28:57,938
So now, I'm back to Trena.
466
00:28:58,046 --> 00:29:01,386
Trena McElroy
says she saw who did it.
467
00:29:02,948 --> 00:29:04,288
Do you believe her?
468
00:29:07,124 --> 00:29:09,994
I don't.
No, I don't believe her.
469
00:29:11,404 --> 00:29:15,374
Because I think if she
actually saw who done it,
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00:29:15,477 --> 00:29:20,787
uh... I think probably there would
have been something done about it.
471
00:29:30,147 --> 00:29:33,187
While the investigation
into the murder
472
00:29:33,288 --> 00:29:36,188
of Ken Rex McElroy was going on,
473
00:29:36,291 --> 00:29:39,331
Trena and her kids disappeared.
474
00:29:39,432 --> 00:29:43,952
The whole McElroy
family went into hiding.
475
00:29:44,058 --> 00:29:45,648
Maybe they thought
they were next,
476
00:29:45,749 --> 00:29:47,989
maybe they felt their
lives were in danger.
477
00:29:48,096 --> 00:29:49,366
Who knows?
478
00:29:50,961 --> 00:29:52,551
Right after
the incident, you know,
479
00:29:52,652 --> 00:29:55,692
there was a time that people
would drive by at night
480
00:29:55,794 --> 00:29:57,384
and they'd shoot into the house.
481
00:30:03,008 --> 00:30:07,668
At 13 years old, you know, that's not
something you're used to growing up with.
482
00:30:07,771 --> 00:30:09,951
It's like a war zone
in a small town.
483
00:30:10,049 --> 00:30:11,459
Everybody was
meeting at the house,
484
00:30:11,568 --> 00:30:14,468
and us kids were sitting
outside by the tree,
485
00:30:14,571 --> 00:30:17,471
and a Jeep drove by
and fired a gun.
486
00:30:18,437 --> 00:30:20,577
And my sister yelled,
"Oh, my God!"
487
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,720
And the bullet had hit
right above my head.
488
00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:25,752
They attempted to shoot at me
and my little brother,
489
00:30:25,858 --> 00:30:30,408
and the bullet...
I mean literally grazed my brother's ear.
490
00:30:30,518 --> 00:30:32,658
You're out in the middle
of nowhere,
491
00:30:32,761 --> 00:30:34,281
and they try to kill us.
492
00:30:34,384 --> 00:30:38,154
The emotion was to just pack up
and get the hell out.
493
00:30:44,739 --> 00:30:48,049
Mr. Baird, it must be pretty
frustrating for a prosecutor
494
00:30:48,156 --> 00:30:53,816
to have a murder case in which there's
anywhere from 50 to 70 witnesses,
495
00:30:53,921 --> 00:30:55,891
and you don't make a case.
496
00:30:55,992 --> 00:31:02,582
As a prosecutor, my role is to
be fair and just to everyone,
497
00:31:02,688 --> 00:31:06,308
it was my estimation
that we could not prove
498
00:31:06,416 --> 00:31:10,826
and convince 12 jurors
beyond a reasonable doubt
499
00:31:10,938 --> 00:31:16,218
that a particular defendant
committed this crime.
500
00:31:16,322 --> 00:31:19,052
But it's always
possible I'm wrong.
501
00:31:20,568 --> 00:31:25,468
It's always possible
that jurors would disagree,
502
00:31:25,573 --> 00:31:28,203
and would in fact,
make the determination
503
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:31,540
that this evidence
is sufficient.
504
00:31:31,648 --> 00:31:35,648
And so one of the ways
you can do that
505
00:31:35,755 --> 00:31:38,065
is by using a grand jury.
506
00:31:40,795 --> 00:31:42,725
In a little town
in northwest Missouri,
507
00:31:42,831 --> 00:31:45,321
a grand jury will meet
tomorrow, and is expected
508
00:31:45,420 --> 00:31:47,110
to consider
an unusual murder case.
509
00:31:47,215 --> 00:31:49,935
The victim's widow says
she can identify the killer,
510
00:31:50,046 --> 00:31:51,526
but at least some
people are asking
511
00:31:51,633 --> 00:31:54,433
if it isn't really a case
against an entire town.
512
00:32:01,540 --> 00:32:03,680
Normally,
you don't have a grand jury
513
00:32:03,783 --> 00:32:06,173
in a county of this size.
514
00:32:06,269 --> 00:32:08,099
In all the years
that I was prosecutor,
515
00:32:08,202 --> 00:32:10,482
the only time I had
the grand jury was
516
00:32:10,583 --> 00:32:13,313
for the Ken Rex McElroy
investigation.
517
00:32:13,414 --> 00:32:15,804
A grand jury is being convened,
518
00:32:15,899 --> 00:32:18,799
but unless the town breaks
its code of silence,
519
00:32:18,902 --> 00:32:20,632
an indictment isn't likely.
520
00:32:20,731 --> 00:32:23,531
A statesman once said,
"You can't indict a people."
521
00:32:23,631 --> 00:32:26,361
Well, you can't indict
a whole town either.
522
00:32:39,474 --> 00:32:43,694
The problem with
any witness in any case
523
00:32:43,789 --> 00:32:47,519
is making sure that
that witness' testimony
524
00:32:47,620 --> 00:32:49,310
is believable to a jury.
525
00:32:49,415 --> 00:32:54,515
Based upon the evidence I had,
I had no reason to disbelieve her.
526
00:32:54,627 --> 00:33:01,047
Why did the grand jury
not believe Mrs. McElroy?
527
00:33:01,151 --> 00:33:03,051
I do not have an answer.
528
00:33:05,086 --> 00:33:08,116
Could your husband ever get
a fair trial in that county?
529
00:33:08,227 --> 00:33:12,577
No. No, there's
too much prejudice.
530
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,480
Too many talk,
everybody just talked.
531
00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:19,140
And a lot of them didn't
know my husband at all.
532
00:33:19,238 --> 00:33:20,578
They just heard
rumors and stuff.
533
00:33:20,688 --> 00:33:22,238
They had a grand jury,
534
00:33:22,345 --> 00:33:26,685
and it sat for a long time.
535
00:33:27,729 --> 00:33:29,039
Grand jury on what?
536
00:33:29,145 --> 00:33:31,285
On the...
into the...
537
00:33:31,388 --> 00:33:33,838
Looking into the murder
of your husband.
538
00:33:33,942 --> 00:33:35,742
Came up with nothing.
539
00:33:35,841 --> 00:33:38,711
Oh, there's a lot of
people that seen it.
540
00:33:41,571 --> 00:33:44,161
You will probably
not be surprised to learn
541
00:33:44,263 --> 00:33:47,233
that so far no one's been
charged with the murder
542
00:33:47,335 --> 00:33:49,405
of Ken Rex McElroy.
543
00:33:49,510 --> 00:33:54,070
This grand jury decided that
there wasn't enough evidence
544
00:33:54,170 --> 00:33:57,410
to indict anyone.
545
00:33:57,518 --> 00:34:01,968
The coroner's inquest
was an exercise in futility.
546
00:34:02,074 --> 00:34:07,014
Local investigations
have so far come up with zero.
547
00:34:07,114 --> 00:34:11,674
A person, or persons,
unknown, shot and killed
548
00:34:11,773 --> 00:34:13,573
Ken Rex McElroy.
549
00:34:14,776 --> 00:34:17,016
Really?
550
00:34:17,124 --> 00:34:18,954
Was that the determination?
551
00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:25,197
They were no doubt told by
Trena who pulled the trigger.
552
00:34:25,304 --> 00:34:27,174
So for them to come
up that determination
553
00:34:27,272 --> 00:34:29,552
is... is...
it's a bit ridiculous.
554
00:34:29,653 --> 00:34:32,553
McElroy's wife,
Trena, says she knows
555
00:34:32,656 --> 00:34:35,446
who killed her husband,
but police refuse to act.
556
00:34:35,556 --> 00:34:40,146
Why haven't charges then been filed
against at least that suspect?
557
00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:42,800
Well, homicide is
a very serious crime,
558
00:34:42,908 --> 00:34:45,948
and carries a
very heavy penalty...
559
00:34:46,049 --> 00:34:48,259
and we need time for a
thorough investigation
560
00:34:48,362 --> 00:34:50,362
before charges will be filed.
561
00:34:50,467 --> 00:34:52,847
There has been
a conspiracy of silence.
562
00:34:52,952 --> 00:34:55,892
You cannot tell me
that 40 to 70 people
563
00:34:55,990 --> 00:35:00,130
standing on the sidewalk,
and a man is in his truck,
564
00:35:00,236 --> 00:35:02,266
and he's shot four times
in the head,
565
00:35:02,376 --> 00:35:04,756
that somebody did
not see who shot him,
566
00:35:04,861 --> 00:35:06,211
and nobody has come forward.
567
00:35:06,311 --> 00:35:08,141
Now, I've had some people
who tell me,
568
00:35:08,244 --> 00:35:09,904
"I know who did it,
but I'm afraid.
569
00:35:10,004 --> 00:35:12,874
What would happen
to me if I tell you
570
00:35:12,972 --> 00:35:14,912
who shot Mr. McElroy?"
571
00:35:15,009 --> 00:35:18,079
I can tell you,
but I don't want to go under oath
572
00:35:18,185 --> 00:35:20,595
or go before a grand jury.
573
00:35:21,464 --> 00:35:22,744
These people freeze up.
574
00:35:22,844 --> 00:35:26,054
They're not going
to say anything.
575
00:35:26,158 --> 00:35:30,268
It's quite
a conspiracy to buy into.
576
00:35:30,369 --> 00:35:32,579
I don't believe it for a second.
577
00:35:32,682 --> 00:35:34,372
The thing of it is,
578
00:35:34,477 --> 00:35:38,307
we don't know what happened
in that grand jury courtroom.
579
00:35:38,412 --> 00:35:40,552
None of us were there.
580
00:35:40,655 --> 00:35:41,925
Nobody knows what's been asked,
581
00:35:42,036 --> 00:35:45,896
nobody knows what's been
talked about... at all.
582
00:35:46,005 --> 00:35:47,725
They're totally secret.
583
00:35:53,634 --> 00:35:55,504
A lot of people
told me in the town
584
00:35:55,601 --> 00:35:58,951
that they really don't
care if the man who shot,
585
00:35:59,053 --> 00:36:02,473
or the people who shot McElroy,
are ever caught.
586
00:36:02,574 --> 00:36:06,234
Do you think that
they'll get their wish?
587
00:36:06,336 --> 00:36:10,886
Generally said,
"no witness, no case".
588
00:36:10,996 --> 00:36:17,446
And in fact whoever,
or how many ever shot him,
589
00:36:17,554 --> 00:36:21,184
they're free today on the same
principle he lived by:
590
00:36:21,282 --> 00:36:22,842
"No witness, no case."
591
00:36:38,265 --> 00:36:41,265
The townspeople have returned to
their normal way of life again
592
00:36:41,371 --> 00:36:43,271
after Ken McElroy's death.
593
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,449
A death some say
has erased the fear
594
00:36:46,549 --> 00:36:49,759
that reigned
while McElroy lived.
595
00:36:49,862 --> 00:36:53,732
After Ken was shot,
it was almost as if
596
00:36:53,832 --> 00:36:58,082
Skidmore was trying
to forget the legacy
597
00:36:58,181 --> 00:36:59,771
that he gave to that town.
598
00:36:59,872 --> 00:37:01,462
Skidmore killed its bully,
599
00:37:01,564 --> 00:37:03,644
and most are happy he's dead,
600
00:37:03,738 --> 00:37:06,288
but the town is uncomfortable
with how it was done,
601
00:37:06,396 --> 00:37:08,986
and the notoriety that followed.
602
00:37:09,088 --> 00:37:12,198
It's over and done with.
We'd like to start forgetting about it.
603
00:37:12,299 --> 00:37:16,509
I hope and pray that they
never find out who did it...
604
00:37:16,613 --> 00:37:19,033
because I think the fellow
got what he deserved.
605
00:37:22,274 --> 00:37:26,004
I'm very sympathetic
to those people.
606
00:37:26,105 --> 00:37:28,655
The wheels of justice
turned too slow
607
00:37:28,763 --> 00:37:30,773
or weren't turning at all.
608
00:37:32,284 --> 00:37:33,984
I'm very sympathetic to the fact
609
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,149
that they took justice
into their own hands,
610
00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:38,975
vigilante style,
611
00:37:39,084 --> 00:37:41,054
and got rid of the problem.
612
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:45,190
They did what had to be done.
613
00:37:45,297 --> 00:37:49,337
I appreciate that.
I respect that.
614
00:37:49,439 --> 00:37:52,169
I respect that kind of courage.
615
00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:54,170
Was it good? No.
616
00:37:54,272 --> 00:37:55,832
Was it justified?
617
00:37:55,928 --> 00:37:58,968
Only because
there was no justice.
618
00:38:03,350 --> 00:38:05,970
A lot of people
in Skidmore feel that--
619
00:38:06,076 --> 00:38:10,556
that whoever... whoever
killed him was justified,
620
00:38:10,667 --> 00:38:12,427
that since the law
couldn't protect them
621
00:38:12,531 --> 00:38:15,331
they had to take the law
into their own hands.
622
00:38:15,431 --> 00:38:17,471
I don't think that
anyone is ever justified
623
00:38:17,571 --> 00:38:19,441
in taking the law
into their hands.
624
00:38:19,538 --> 00:38:21,128
That's why we have laws.
625
00:38:21,229 --> 00:38:22,369
The same laws which protect
626
00:38:22,472 --> 00:38:24,752
the citizens of
the United States,
627
00:38:24,854 --> 00:38:27,894
anyone including the laws which
would protect Mr. McElroy.
628
00:38:27,995 --> 00:38:30,615
And at this point, you know,
it remains an active case
629
00:38:30,722 --> 00:38:32,622
and will be handled as such.
630
00:38:32,724 --> 00:38:36,904
My personal opinion
is anytime that there is a crime
631
00:38:37,004 --> 00:38:40,214
for which a person
is not held accountable,
632
00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:42,978
then justice was not done.
633
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:44,529
Do you think there is
634
00:38:44,632 --> 00:38:46,772
a kind of conspiracy of silence?
635
00:38:48,912 --> 00:38:52,192
I believe without any shadow of a doubt
that there was a major cover-up here.
636
00:38:52,295 --> 00:38:55,985
Not only by law enforcement,
but of all the people in that town.
637
00:38:57,576 --> 00:38:59,986
When he got killed
and they got away with it,
638
00:39:00,096 --> 00:39:02,576
at that point,
they felt protected.
639
00:39:02,685 --> 00:39:05,715
They felt that, you know what,
there ain't a whole lot we can't do here,
640
00:39:05,826 --> 00:39:09,546
that we're not gonna be able
to get away with.
641
00:39:09,657 --> 00:39:12,487
I get a little angry sometimes
in this whole scenario,
642
00:39:12,591 --> 00:39:14,181
because that's how it was done.
643
00:39:14,282 --> 00:39:16,532
I know the sheriff
and them were involved.
644
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:19,560
I don't care what
anyone has to say,
645
00:39:19,667 --> 00:39:20,767
whether it ever comes to light.
646
00:39:20,875 --> 00:39:22,945
I know they were involved.
647
00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:24,600
I believe that it
was a conspiracy,
648
00:39:24,707 --> 00:39:27,227
I mean, till they
hold to this day,
649
00:39:27,330 --> 00:39:29,300
and they're gonna
keep holding it
650
00:39:29,401 --> 00:39:31,751
until the day they die.
651
00:39:31,852 --> 00:39:34,132
So, if this is a town
divided between those
652
00:39:34,233 --> 00:39:38,103
who despised McElroy,
and those who disapprove of murder,
653
00:39:38,203 --> 00:39:41,663
it is also a town united
by fear on both sides.
654
00:39:41,758 --> 00:39:46,068
A fear that is
holding truth hostage.
655
00:39:46,176 --> 00:39:50,796
Do you feel that whoever shot your
husband is gonna be charged with murder?
656
00:39:53,494 --> 00:39:57,914
They're not gonna do anything
in that county... to him.
657
00:40:06,852 --> 00:40:08,612
Yes.
658
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:10,720
Today.
659
00:40:20,003 --> 00:40:22,013
What is
the significance, if any,
660
00:40:22,109 --> 00:40:24,769
of the FBI's entrance
into the case?
661
00:40:25,630 --> 00:40:27,110
Really, I don't know.
662
00:40:27,217 --> 00:40:32,077
I know that Mrs. McElroy,
by and through her attorney,
663
00:40:32,188 --> 00:40:37,878
contacted the FBI
in regards to allegations
664
00:40:37,987 --> 00:40:40,777
that we were not
fully investigating.
665
00:40:40,886 --> 00:40:45,716
I know that in response to that,
the FBI is making routine checks into it,
666
00:40:45,822 --> 00:40:51,242
and that is about the entirety of my
understanding of their investigation.
667
00:40:51,345 --> 00:40:53,345
Trena McElroy
named her husband's shooter,
668
00:40:53,451 --> 00:40:55,801
but neither a coroner's jury,
nor a grand jury,
669
00:40:55,901 --> 00:40:58,081
decided there's enough
evidence to file charges.
670
00:40:58,179 --> 00:41:00,389
Now, the FBI
is getting involved.
671
00:41:00,492 --> 00:41:03,082
I mean,
they're all in it together.
672
00:41:03,184 --> 00:41:06,394
It was set up, and they're
all gonna stick together.
673
00:41:06,498 --> 00:41:09,498
I mean, every one
of them seen it.
674
00:41:11,434 --> 00:41:15,474
The FBI became
involved when Gene McFadin
675
00:41:15,576 --> 00:41:19,166
who represented McElroy,
and his wife Trena,
676
00:41:19,269 --> 00:41:21,999
contacted the FBI.
677
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:23,580
When the federal government
gets involved
678
00:41:23,688 --> 00:41:26,998
it becomes, for some people,
more serious.
679
00:41:27,105 --> 00:41:29,105
Suddenly having
the federal government present
680
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:33,630
inquiring through the FBI,
I'm sure had an impact on the community.
681
00:41:35,182 --> 00:41:37,462
FBI agents came
to town dressed like farmers.
682
00:41:37,564 --> 00:41:40,674
And now few will talk
to outsiders at all.
683
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,950
My strategy was
to subpoena the individuals
684
00:41:45,054 --> 00:41:48,614
who were present
when McElroy was killed.
685
00:41:49,472 --> 00:41:51,302
The FBI then sent out agents,
686
00:41:51,405 --> 00:41:52,745
maybe as many as 10,
687
00:41:52,855 --> 00:41:55,405
to subpoena the people
who were present
688
00:41:55,513 --> 00:41:58,273
during the murder of McElroy.
689
00:41:58,377 --> 00:42:00,757
Of course, they were obligated
to respond to the subpoena
690
00:42:00,863 --> 00:42:02,523
by being present.
691
00:42:04,245 --> 00:42:08,385
And they were asked, each of
them, what they observed
692
00:42:08,491 --> 00:42:10,601
when McElroy was killed.
693
00:42:12,288 --> 00:42:13,838
And they told us what they saw.
694
00:42:15,256 --> 00:42:18,426
The fear has been
replaced by a new anxiety.
695
00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:20,116
There could be
federal indictments,
696
00:42:20,227 --> 00:42:22,057
and some of the town's
leading citizens
697
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,960
could face a long
and costly trial.
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