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Previously
on "Hunting Hitler"...
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This is from June 12th, 1945.
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"At this time, the decision
had been taken
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to divide the ministries
in two parts
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and establish
one government in the north
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and one in the south."
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What this file tells me
is they're splitting up,
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creating multiple escape routes.
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Tim found both the U-boat and
the seaplane near each other.
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Look at this.
OSS, predecessor of the CIA.
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"I have spoken about refueling
seaplanes from U-boats."
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What these U-boats are
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are gasoline stations
in the middle of the Atlantic.
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This document opens up
a whole new set of options
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for Hitler to get out of Europe.
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This is the logical end
of the northern route.
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We now have to figure out
whether the southern route
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would've also gotten him
to South America.
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The Red Cross was actually
producing legitimate documents
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with false identities.
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The documents were something
that was secure,
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so if they had those documents,
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they could easily
get out of Rome.
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Once they'd got a real
passport, they're home free.
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This is the last piece
of the puzzle, then.
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All roads lead to Rome,
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and then from there
to Buenos Aires.
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HUNTING HITLER - SEASON 3
EP - 6 - Lurking Beneath the Surface
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We've established
two routes, and they worked.
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We're talking about thousands
upon thousands of Nazis
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who got out using
one of these two routes.
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21-year CIA veteran Bob Baer
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and former terrorist targeting
officer Nada Bakos
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are using
an asset-mapping strategy,
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tracking Hitler's
known associates
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to pinpoint where he could
have gone after the war.
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After investigating across
four countries in Europe,
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the team has found
two well-organized
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and highly sophisticated
escape routes
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that could have been used
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to get Hitler safely
to South America...
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One to the north through Norway
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and one to the south
through Italy.
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The core of this story is,
had Hitler gotten out,
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he could have made it
to South America.
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Hitler could have taken
either the northern
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or the southern escape routes.
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What we found in Europe
was extraordinary.
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These routes were planned
to perfection,
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and they were all organized
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to get Hitler and senior Nazis
to Argentina.
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We showed that,
if Hitler got to South America,
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he would have had multiple
safe houses in Argentina.
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Previously in the investigation,
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Bob and the team uncovered
multle locations
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that Hitler could have used
to hide
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within the interior
of Argentina,
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one in Misiones...
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You have observation posts,
structures, defense positions.
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This is way more
than a hideout in the jungle.
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...and another in Bariloche.
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It's perfect
for a high-value target.
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Looks like a little guard shack.
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You put a machine gun
right there,
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you can cover
this entire body of water,
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and nothing could get through.
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We've looked into Argentina,
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but we have not been
looking at Buenos Aires.
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That is the end of the route.
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For me, Buenos Aires
is still a question mark.
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Adolf Eichmann, we know,
gets captured up there.
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In 1950, Adolf Eichmann fled
to Buenos Aires, Argentina,
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where he lived in a modest house
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and worked as a foreman
for Mercedes-Benz
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under the alias Ricardo Klement.
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Essentially, living in the open,
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he felt safe.
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What were the Nazis doing there?
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What's the connection?
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We'd never really looked at any
of the reports from there,
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and I think it's time we do.
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Let's do a search...
Nazis, Buenos Aires.
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We have a report
from March 24, 2015.
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"In Laguna de Rocha, a seaplane
had to make an emergency landing
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on October 31, 1945,
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then continued to Buenos Aires.
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Incognito, it was rumored
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there were former Nazi officials
and a cargo of gold onboard."
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We have a seaplane landing
on the 31st of October, 1945.
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Supposedly, it's got Nazis on it
and a cargo of gold onboard,
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and then they go
to Buenos Aires.
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This is totally incredible.
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Here's Laguna de Rocha.
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Here's Buenos Aires.
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It's 230 miles.
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We're connecting the dots.
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We know we have
a seaplane in Norway.
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We found it.
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If this report turns
out to be true,
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we know where
the seaplanes are going.
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They're going to Buenos Aires.
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I'm interested in why they think
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there were former
Nazi officials onboard.
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We have to get to the bottom
of this story.
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I want some evidence this plane
really did land there
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and if there were Nazis
and gold on this airplane,
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or is it just more mythology?
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We need to get the team
to Laguna de Rocha
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to see if there's anybody
they can talk to.
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We keep coming back
to Argentina,
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and now we're coming back
in a big way.
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Everything coming out of Europe,
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whether it's the northern
route line, southern route line,
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everything comes back
into Buenos Aires. Yeah.
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U.S. Army Special Forces
Tim Kennedy,
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U.S. Army Green Beret
Mike Simpson,
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and their local contact, Dante,
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land
in Laguna de Rocha, Uruguay,
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where a seaplane
carrying high-ranking Nazis
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was rumored to have made
an emergency landing.
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This has to be
the lagoon right here.
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Yep.
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It is a very real possibility
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that even Adolf Hitler could
have arrived in South America
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on a plane just like this.
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We're going to investigate
to determine
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if the seaplane did, in fact,
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make an emergency landing
here in Uruguay
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and see if there's
any possibility
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that there were any Nazis
using this seaplane to escape.
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Let's go talk to him.
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The team makes contact
with Don Tito,
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a local resident
who lives only 500 yards away
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from the alleged landing site
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and who claims to have
witnessed the crash firsthand.
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Thanks for taking
the time to talk to us.
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We were told that you were
a witness to an airplane,
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a seaplane crash that
happened in the lagoon.
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How old were you
when the plane crashed?
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Can you tell us everything
that you remember
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about when that plane crashed?
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He remembers
there was a crash and a splash.
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He has the image
and the sound of that,
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and he says he saw it from here,
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from this place,
two blocks that way.
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Around 40 and 50.
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Okay. 50 passengers.
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And they were mainly German.
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The local enforcement took
a very quick action on it,
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and they had ambulance
waiting for them on the shore.
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So, without the aid
of cellphones,
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they responded
very, very quickly.
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Do I have that right?
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The local enforcement
appeared very quickly. Yes.
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He remembers this plane
coming towards the lagoon
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followed by three...
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Tres
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By three little planes
like a convoy
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trying to rescue
or guide them to the lagoon.
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What kind of a commercial
plane flies with an escort?
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The fact that there were three
planes accompanying the seaplane
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is something I find
very interesting.
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This tells me this was not
a typical airliner of any sort.
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This was something important
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possibly containing
a high-value target.
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What ultimately happened to...
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They replaced the broken engine
and fixed it.
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Have you ever heard
that there were Nazis
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or Nazi gold on this airplane?
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He cannot say
or confirm that's true.
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Do you personally believe
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that these men that were
on the plane were Nazis
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or that there was Nazi gold?
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- No.
- He can't get into that,
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but one of the passengers
had bodyguards,
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and that's all he recalls.
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I mean, he's afraid.
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He's scared even after
all these years.
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This is something
that we have seen
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time and time again
in this investigation.
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People don't want
to talk about it.
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Even 70 years
after the war has ended,
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people are still scared
to talk about Nazis.
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For Mike and I,
this is the biggest red flag.
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In 1945, if you have 40 people
on a seaplane
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with bodyguards and escort,
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this couldn't be anybody
but the highest level,
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upper echelon of the Nazi Party.
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If we can find something
physical from that plane,
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that could propel
this investigation forward.
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Let's go take a look.
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Don Tito leads the team
to the shore of the lagoon
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where the seaplane reportedly
landed over 70 years ago.
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So where was it?
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About 300 meters from here.
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300 meters out?
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We now have a specific
reference point to the search.
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Evidence could be waiting
for us to find
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on the bottom of that lagoon.
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This could be the launch
point to finding out
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if the seaplane
did land on the lagoon
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and if this plane was truly
transporting high-level Nazis.
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If there's something there,
we'll be able to find it.
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Absolutely.
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- This is secluded.
- Very.
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You don't get moreural
than this.
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In Laguna de Rocha, Uruguay,
Tim Kennedy and Mike Simpson
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investigate a report
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claiming that in 1945,
a seaplane
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rumored to have been carrying
high-ranking Nazis
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made an emergency landing
at a local lagoon.
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We need to find anything
that would definitively prove
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if this plane was here
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and if it's truly transporting
high-level Nazis
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from Europe to Buenos Aires.
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These might be our guys
right here.
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In hopes of uncovering evidence
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that a seaplane landed here
over 70 years ago,
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Tim and Mike are joined
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by a local
marine surveying team...
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How you doing?
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...to help them scan
the waters of the lagoon
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for any pieces of the plane
that may still remain.
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We have an eyewitness
and a document
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that says a seaplane
landed in this lagoon.
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They had an emergency landing.
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We need to find bits of
the aircraft in our search area.
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Does that work?
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Yes. We can help you there.
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Awesome.
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They know the lagoon,
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so they can help us out
with this, for sure.
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Let's get the equipment
on the boat
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and see what we can see.
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All right?
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Something could be preserved
in this lagoon very easily.
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You know, you don't
have lots of swell.
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You don't have
a lot of movement.
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There's very little tide shift.
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If something dropped off
70 years ago from this aircraft,
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there's a good chance we're
going to be able to find it.
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Tim, this is Mike. Radio check.
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Mike, I got you, Lima Charlie.
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We are approaching
our target area.
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We're going to go ahead
and put the side-scan sonar
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into the water
and start our search.
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Although the water
is only four feet deep,
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a heavy silt layer
and poor visibility
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make it difficult
to locate any objects below,
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so the team will deploy
side-scanning sonar
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to penetrate
to the lagoon floor.
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If we didn't have
the side-scan sonar,
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00:12:24,577 --> 00:12:27,347
there would be no point
in even conducting this search.
254
00:12:27,380 --> 00:12:31,351
The water
is so incredibly murky.
255
00:12:31,384 --> 00:12:33,353
Using a grid-pattern search,
256
00:12:33,386 --> 00:12:36,256
they'll investigate
the 300-square-yard crash site
257
00:12:36,289 --> 00:12:39,392
identified by the eyewitness.
258
00:12:39,426 --> 00:12:42,863
One boat will survey with sonar
while the other drops buoys
259
00:12:42,896 --> 00:12:44,832
to mark any points of interest.
260
00:12:49,136 --> 00:12:51,805
All right, Mike.
Sonar is in the water.
261
00:12:51,839 --> 00:12:54,174
Sonar is in the water.
262
00:12:54,207 --> 00:12:56,009
Roger that.
263
00:12:56,043 --> 00:12:58,011
Right now,
we're in our target area,
264
00:12:58,045 --> 00:12:59,813
and we are recording.
265
00:12:59,847 --> 00:13:01,481
GPS is running.
266
00:13:01,514 --> 00:13:02,959
If something is going
to be down there,
267
00:13:02,983 --> 00:13:04,060
we should be able to see it.
268
00:13:04,084 --> 00:13:05,218
I hope you're right.
269
00:13:07,020 --> 00:13:09,489
There's no telling what's
actually in the lagoon...
270
00:13:09,522 --> 00:13:13,593
You know, fishing nets, motors,
transmissions out of cars.
271
00:13:13,626 --> 00:13:16,163
That silt can cover
and disguise anything,
272
00:13:16,196 --> 00:13:18,531
so we have to be precise
in our movements,
273
00:13:18,565 --> 00:13:21,001
and we have to be methodical
in our search pattern.
274
00:13:21,034 --> 00:13:22,469
All right.
We're going to be doing
275
00:13:22,502 --> 00:13:24,504
our turn here
in a couple minutes,
276
00:13:24,537 --> 00:13:26,840
finishing this line.
277
00:13:26,874 --> 00:13:30,143
And nothing on there.
278
00:13:33,881 --> 00:13:34,991
Hey, hey, hey,
right here, right here.
279
00:13:35,015 --> 00:13:37,350
We got something right here.
280
00:13:37,384 --> 00:13:41,288
About a foot in width
281
00:13:41,321 --> 00:13:43,323
and maybe a foot and a half
in length.
282
00:13:50,097 --> 00:13:52,499
Copy that, Tim. We'll go ahead
and mark it with a buoy.
283
00:13:52,532 --> 00:13:53,934
Standing by for countdown.
284
00:13:55,402 --> 00:13:59,139
Five, four, three, two...
285
00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:07,247
Located 275 yards offshore,
286
00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,283
the team has identified
a small man-made object
287
00:14:10,317 --> 00:14:12,085
on the lagoon floor.
288
00:14:14,521 --> 00:14:17,190
We're almost at the end
of the search line.
289
00:14:17,224 --> 00:14:18,325
All right.
290
00:14:18,358 --> 00:14:20,093
We got about another
291
00:14:20,127 --> 00:14:24,131
50 to 100 meters
of our search area.
292
00:14:24,164 --> 00:14:25,432
Copy that.
293
00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:30,503
Hey. Hey, hey, hey.
294
00:14:30,537 --> 00:14:32,005
Right here, right here,
right here.
295
00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:33,416
All right. Hey.
We got another target.
296
00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,909
Look at that. That's a big one.
297
00:14:35,943 --> 00:14:40,013
This thing is a clear line.
Solid, flat line.
298
00:14:40,047 --> 00:14:43,683
It's about 5 or 6 feet
in length,
299
00:14:43,716 --> 00:14:47,287
and it's a solid return,
hard return coming back.
300
00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,024
That sonar is coming off
something dense, for sure.
301
00:14:51,058 --> 00:14:53,026
All right. 10 feet.
Get set. Here we go.
302
00:14:53,060 --> 00:14:58,098
Three, two, one.
303
00:14:58,131 --> 00:15:01,101
Drop, drop, drop.
304
00:15:01,134 --> 00:15:03,336
Buoy is in.
305
00:15:09,642 --> 00:15:11,282
These are more or less
in a straight line.
306
00:15:14,314 --> 00:15:16,349
This is where Don Tito said
things are going to be,
307
00:15:16,383 --> 00:15:18,451
and now we're finding stuff.
308
00:15:18,485 --> 00:15:21,654
The team has located
two areas of interest
309
00:15:21,688 --> 00:15:25,325
within 100 yards of each other,
positioned in a straight line
310
00:15:25,358 --> 00:15:28,395
following the general path
the seaplane reportedly took
311
00:15:28,428 --> 00:15:32,065
when it landed in this lagoon
over 70 years ago.
312
00:15:32,099 --> 00:15:35,969
All that's left to do now
that we've got them marked
313
00:15:36,003 --> 00:15:38,205
is get suited up
and get in the water.
314
00:15:38,238 --> 00:15:41,041
Let's head back to shore,
grab our wet suits,
315
00:15:41,074 --> 00:15:44,111
and then try to recover whatever
the buoys are sitting on top of.
316
00:15:44,144 --> 00:15:47,114
With two anomalies identified
317
00:15:47,147 --> 00:15:49,516
on the floor
of the shallow-water lagoon,
318
00:15:49,549 --> 00:15:51,351
the team will conduct
a reconnaissance
319
00:15:51,384 --> 00:15:54,054
of the target area on foot.
320
00:15:54,087 --> 00:15:57,157
We're hopeful that
these are something
321
00:15:57,190 --> 00:15:58,525
left over from this aircraft,
322
00:15:58,558 --> 00:16:00,160
something to give me a clue
323
00:16:00,193 --> 00:16:04,097
as to if the seaplane
did land on the lagoon
324
00:16:04,131 --> 00:16:06,266
and who was onboard
and what it was carrying.
325
00:16:06,299 --> 00:16:07,534
We have our targets.
326
00:16:07,567 --> 00:16:08,668
Now we just need to go see
327
00:16:08,701 --> 00:16:11,171
what's underneath those buoys.
328
00:16:11,204 --> 00:16:12,515
All right.
Got the first buoy right there.
329
00:16:12,539 --> 00:16:14,607
Perfecto.
330
00:16:14,641 --> 00:16:17,377
I'm getting in.
331
00:16:17,410 --> 00:16:19,512
So stay kind of, like,
feet distance apart.
332
00:16:19,546 --> 00:16:21,314
Yeah. Sounds good.
333
00:16:21,348 --> 00:16:25,352
Let's try not to get cut
on anything either, though.
334
00:16:25,385 --> 00:16:26,786
You have anything over there?
335
00:16:26,819 --> 00:16:28,321
Nothing.
336
00:16:32,092 --> 00:16:34,194
Something just moved
in my fingers.
337
00:16:34,227 --> 00:16:35,695
Oh, that... Whoa, that's big.
338
00:16:35,728 --> 00:16:38,231
Yeah.
339
00:16:38,265 --> 00:16:40,600
It's coming
all the way out to here.
340
00:16:40,633 --> 00:16:42,735
A little bit stuck. Yeah.
341
00:16:42,769 --> 00:16:44,271
I got it. I got it.
342
00:16:44,304 --> 00:16:47,540
One, two, three. Three.
343
00:16:47,574 --> 00:16:48,741
Holy
344
00:16:48,775 --> 00:16:50,243
That... The hell is this thing?
345
00:16:50,277 --> 00:16:52,412
Looks like it's been
down there a while, huh?
346
00:16:52,445 --> 00:16:54,414
It's busted up for sure.
347
00:16:54,447 --> 00:16:55,782
Yeah, it is.
348
00:16:55,815 --> 00:16:57,360
This looks like where
it was torn off...
349
00:16:57,384 --> 00:16:59,186
Yeah. ...right here on this end.
350
00:16:59,219 --> 00:17:01,321
This looks like
it's an engine part.
351
00:17:01,354 --> 00:17:02,789
This is coming off
something big.
352
00:17:02,822 --> 00:17:05,192
That is not from a
boat motor. Yeah.
353
00:17:05,225 --> 00:17:08,195
This has no business
being out here. No.
354
00:17:08,228 --> 00:17:09,762
We found something
in our target area.
355
00:17:09,796 --> 00:17:11,631
Clearly, it's a part of a motor,
356
00:17:11,664 --> 00:17:14,501
but I don't know if this
is part of our aircraft.
357
00:17:14,534 --> 00:17:16,669
We have to keep looking.
358
00:17:16,703 --> 00:17:20,673
With anomaly one identified
as a potential engine part,
359
00:17:20,707 --> 00:17:24,744
Mike and Tim walk 100 yards
to the area of anomaly two.
360
00:17:24,777 --> 00:17:28,581
Last marker.
This was the biggest echo.
361
00:17:28,615 --> 00:17:30,283
All right.
362
00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:38,458
Aah!
363
00:17:38,491 --> 00:17:39,826
What do you got?
364
00:17:39,859 --> 00:17:41,728
There's, like,
a sharp edge right here.
365
00:17:41,761 --> 00:17:45,098
Something here.
366
00:17:45,132 --> 00:17:46,399
How big is this?
367
00:17:46,433 --> 00:17:48,168
Tim, this is big,
whatever it is.
368
00:17:48,201 --> 00:17:50,503
Loosen it?
No, I can't move mine.
369
00:17:50,537 --> 00:17:51,577
All right. It's moving now.
370
00:17:51,604 --> 00:17:52,872
Back and forth? Yeah.
371
00:17:52,905 --> 00:17:54,283
This is metal.
Yeah, go left and right.
372
00:17:54,307 --> 00:17:55,575
Go left and right.
373
00:17:55,608 --> 00:17:57,110
It's way in the muck.
374
00:17:57,144 --> 00:17:59,112
Let me get my feet up under me.
375
00:17:59,146 --> 00:18:00,313
Ready?
376
00:18:03,550 --> 00:18:05,718
Holy
377
00:18:05,752 --> 00:18:08,821
Is this aluminum?
378
00:18:08,855 --> 00:18:10,723
Yep. Look at the damage.
379
00:18:10,757 --> 00:18:12,659
It just sheared at the end here.
380
00:18:12,692 --> 00:18:13,860
This is an airplane propeller.
381
00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:15,462
100 percent.
382
00:18:15,495 --> 00:18:17,430
Mike, we got it.
383
00:18:17,464 --> 00:18:19,632
This is exactly what
we're looking for. Yeah.
384
00:18:19,666 --> 00:18:21,701
I mean, this is exactly
where Don Tito
385
00:18:21,734 --> 00:18:24,237
said the airplane landed.
386
00:18:24,271 --> 00:18:25,772
You want corroborating evidence?
387
00:18:25,805 --> 00:18:27,707
This is it right here. Yeah.
388
00:18:27,740 --> 00:18:30,277
Is there any other reason
that this propeller
389
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:31,711
would be out in this lagoon?
390
00:18:31,744 --> 00:18:33,480
None whatsoever.
391
00:18:33,513 --> 00:18:36,483
It's in the lie of where we know
the aircraft came in.
392
00:18:36,516 --> 00:18:38,718
It's an aircraft propeller.
393
00:18:38,751 --> 00:18:41,354
Certainly has been
down there a long time.
394
00:18:41,388 --> 00:18:44,457
We have now found
physical evidence
395
00:18:44,491 --> 00:18:46,293
that there was a plane here,
396
00:18:46,326 --> 00:18:49,562
but that doesn't tell us
what that plane was doing here.
397
00:18:49,596 --> 00:18:52,765
We still
have to get more information
398
00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:55,368
to be able to know
if there were Nazis onboard.
399
00:19:03,576 --> 00:19:06,179
Who could possibly
be on this airplane?
400
00:19:06,213 --> 00:19:09,749
This thing is huge, enormous.
401
00:19:09,782 --> 00:19:12,552
Bob and Nada review the findings
from the field team
402
00:19:12,585 --> 00:19:16,656
235 miles outside
of Buenos Aires, Argentina,
403
00:19:16,689 --> 00:19:18,491
where they have uncovered
physical evidence
404
00:19:18,525 --> 00:19:21,761
of a 1945
emergency seaplane landing
405
00:19:21,794 --> 00:19:23,963
that, according
to a Uruguayan report,
406
00:19:23,996 --> 00:19:27,400
was transporting
Nazi war criminals and gold.
407
00:19:27,434 --> 00:19:30,270
The team scanned the area,
and they found two items.
408
00:19:30,303 --> 00:19:31,804
One was possibly an engine part,
409
00:19:31,838 --> 00:19:33,540
and the other one
is a propeller,
410
00:19:33,573 --> 00:19:35,608
and it's a fairly large
propeller.
411
00:19:35,642 --> 00:19:37,577
It's not off a small plane.
412
00:19:37,610 --> 00:19:40,647
We at least have some evidence
to place the seaplane there.
413
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,982
Now the question becomes
how do we confirm
414
00:19:43,015 --> 00:19:46,453
that the passengers onboard
were actually Nazi officers? Yeah.
415
00:19:46,486 --> 00:19:49,722
Our eyewitness, Don Tito,
told us that the seaplane
416
00:19:49,756 --> 00:19:52,759
had three other planes
accompanying it.
417
00:19:52,792 --> 00:19:54,627
He talked about at least
one of the passengers
418
00:19:54,661 --> 00:19:55,995
having bodyguards.
419
00:19:56,028 --> 00:19:59,566
Who takes bodyguards
with him in a plane
420
00:19:59,599 --> 00:20:01,834
traveling through South America?
421
00:20:01,868 --> 00:20:05,505
None of this makes
any sense at all.
422
00:20:05,538 --> 00:20:07,474
If what the eyewitness
said is true,
423
00:20:07,507 --> 00:20:10,410
this does not sound like
a typical commercial flight.
424
00:20:10,443 --> 00:20:12,255
We don't know for sure
what those other planes were.
425
00:20:12,279 --> 00:20:14,947
Were they there
for deterrent or defense?
426
00:20:14,981 --> 00:20:18,351
We need to see how many more
pieces we can add to the puzzle.
427
00:20:18,385 --> 00:20:20,653
We know this plane
could have landed there.
428
00:20:20,687 --> 00:20:24,023
It begs the question,
who was on it?
429
00:20:24,056 --> 00:20:27,460
We have to separate the myth
from the fact here.
430
00:20:39,339 --> 00:20:41,541
We're coming up to the main
point in Montevideo.
431
00:20:41,574 --> 00:20:43,476
He's right here on the left.
432
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:45,044
Tim and Mike land
433
00:20:45,077 --> 00:20:49,015
125 miles east of Buenos Aires
434
00:20:49,048 --> 00:20:51,351
where their local contact,
Dante,
435
00:20:51,384 --> 00:20:54,421
has arranged a meeting
with Jose Aldunate,
436
00:20:54,454 --> 00:20:57,524
a man whose father
was one of the first people
437
00:20:57,557 --> 00:21:00,460
to respond to the seaplane crash
in 1945.
438
00:21:00,493 --> 00:21:02,862
¿Qué tal?
439
00:21:02,895 --> 00:21:04,507
Now we know that plane
made the emergency landing
440
00:21:04,531 --> 00:21:06,566
in Laguna de Rocha.
441
00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:09,736
What we don't know is what this
flight was and who was on it.
442
00:21:09,769 --> 00:21:12,339
We need to know about
the passengers onboard
443
00:21:12,372 --> 00:21:14,474
and the cargo
this plane was carrying.
444
00:21:14,507 --> 00:21:17,043
Thanks for taking the time
to talk to us.
445
00:21:17,076 --> 00:21:20,747
Your father was present
during the evacuation?
446
00:21:27,487 --> 00:21:29,689
When they evacuated everybody
off the plane,
447
00:21:29,722 --> 00:21:31,324
what did that look like?
448
00:21:31,358 --> 00:21:33,693
Can you describe to me
what the people look like?
449
00:21:33,726 --> 00:21:35,027
Did they take all the cargo?
450
00:21:35,061 --> 00:21:37,397
Did they take everything
that was in the plane?
451
00:21:44,937 --> 00:21:47,507
They took everything
from the plane.
452
00:21:47,540 --> 00:21:48,908
Right away? Right away.
453
00:21:57,584 --> 00:21:59,786
The commander,
the pilot of the seaplane,
454
00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:02,822
and his father,
they became close friends.
455
00:22:02,855 --> 00:22:06,559
They spent about two days
together fixing the plane
456
00:22:06,593 --> 00:22:09,962
and speaking about
previous flights.
457
00:22:09,996 --> 00:22:11,998
Do you think that the commander
of the seaplane
458
00:22:12,031 --> 00:22:15,835
was working directly
for the Germans after the war
459
00:22:15,868 --> 00:22:16,869
and flying Nazis?
460
00:22:34,654 --> 00:22:36,734
What was the present
that the pilot gave your father?
461
00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:42,094
You have it?
462
00:22:44,697 --> 00:22:48,067
You have the thing that
the pilot gave to your father?
463
00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:51,370
I want to see it, please.
464
00:22:53,873 --> 00:22:57,977
Everything that Mr. Aldunate
tells us is very interesting,
465
00:22:58,010 --> 00:23:00,447
but at this point,
it's all just conjecture.
466
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,848
It's all speculation.
467
00:23:01,881 --> 00:23:03,650
We need some physical proof
468
00:23:03,683 --> 00:23:06,686
to link Nazis
with this aircraft.
469
00:23:10,890 --> 00:23:12,391
What is this?
470
00:23:15,628 --> 00:23:18,898
It's in German. Schwimmweste.
471
00:23:21,901 --> 00:23:24,537
Oh, my God.
Is that what I think it is?
472
00:23:26,906 --> 00:23:28,541
This is a swastika.
473
00:23:32,545 --> 00:23:35,047
The life vest from the pilot
was German-made,
474
00:23:35,081 --> 00:23:39,018
German-manufactured,
has a swastika on it.
475
00:23:39,051 --> 00:23:43,723
This can prove that there
were Nazis onboard that flight.
476
00:23:43,756 --> 00:23:45,157
Did your father ever speculate
477
00:23:45,191 --> 00:23:48,595
as to what he thought
this pilot was doing?
478
00:23:50,162 --> 00:23:51,162
Mm-hmm.
479
00:23:56,703 --> 00:24:00,507
He says that this pilot
flew through South America
480
00:24:00,540 --> 00:24:02,609
where there was
some Nazi communities.
481
00:24:05,211 --> 00:24:08,247
And he would land at
the Paraná River in Misiones?
482
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,484
Yes, Paraná River.
483
00:24:11,518 --> 00:24:14,954
We know that the Nazis
were in Misiones.
484
00:24:14,987 --> 00:24:18,958
This feels
like military barracks.
485
00:24:18,991 --> 00:24:20,560
You could shoot
straight across this.
486
00:24:20,593 --> 00:24:22,562
This is going to give you
an elevated position
487
00:24:22,595 --> 00:24:24,196
to rain down hell.
488
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:27,133
Another layer of protection
for who is behind it.
489
00:24:29,301 --> 00:24:32,204
He also mentioned the
Atlantic Coast of Argentina
490
00:24:32,238 --> 00:24:34,173
in Santa Cruz and Buenos Aires,
491
00:24:34,206 --> 00:24:36,008
and he mentioned
the final destination,
492
00:24:36,042 --> 00:24:37,677
which is Patagonia.
493
00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:39,679
Do you know what specific
lakes in Patagonia?
494
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,916
That's the lake
next to Bariloche.
495
00:24:47,954 --> 00:24:50,990
So he would fly, and he would
land in the Paraná River,
496
00:24:51,023 --> 00:24:53,159
and he would land in Bariloche
497
00:24:53,192 --> 00:24:56,028
where we know there are
a dense population
498
00:24:56,062 --> 00:24:58,565
of high-ranking Nazis.
499
00:24:58,598 --> 00:25:01,601
Hundreds of Nazis came here
at the end of World War II.
500
00:25:01,634 --> 00:25:02,802
This is a refuge.
501
00:25:09,676 --> 00:25:12,545
We're talking a mansion
40 miles away from anywhere.
502
00:25:14,614 --> 00:25:16,324
Hey, I've found what I think
is a ramp for seaplanes
503
00:25:16,348 --> 00:25:18,585
coming right up to the front
of this property.
504
00:25:21,821 --> 00:25:24,323
This is massively significant,
that this plane could fly
505
00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:26,859
all the way from Europe to here
506
00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:28,828
and then go to Bariloche.
507
00:25:28,861 --> 00:25:31,864
This seaplane and this pilot
were making landings
508
00:25:31,898 --> 00:25:34,934
all throughout South America...
Places that we've been before.
509
00:25:34,967 --> 00:25:36,636
This is not a coincidence.
510
00:25:36,669 --> 00:25:39,972
This was part
of a Nazi shuttle service.
511
00:25:47,814 --> 00:25:49,315
We look at the evidence,
512
00:25:49,348 --> 00:25:52,752
and no individual piece
tells a whole story,
513
00:25:52,785 --> 00:25:56,055
but when you start
stacking them up, they do.
514
00:25:56,088 --> 00:25:59,726
Bob and Nada review the findings
from South America
515
00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:01,928
where the team
has uncovered evididce
516
00:26:01,961 --> 00:26:03,896
that a seaplane
was shuttling Nazis
517
00:26:03,930 --> 00:26:07,700
from Buenos Aires
to key outposts in Bariloche
518
00:26:07,734 --> 00:26:10,336
and the Paraná River
near Misiones.
519
00:26:10,369 --> 00:26:14,240
So the eyewitness tells us
that the seaplane lands.
520
00:26:14,273 --> 00:26:16,643
His father actually
helps repair the plane,
521
00:26:16,676 --> 00:26:20,112
talks to the captain,
who's pilot of the plane,
522
00:26:20,146 --> 00:26:22,014
who tells him this plane went
523
00:26:22,048 --> 00:26:24,016
to some of these other
designated areas
524
00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:25,384
that you've already looked at.
525
00:26:25,417 --> 00:26:27,754
Yeah. All the key areas...
526
00:26:27,787 --> 00:26:31,390
Bariloche, Misiones,
and Buenos Aires,
527
00:26:31,423 --> 00:26:33,392
to me, this looks like Nazi Air.
528
00:26:33,425 --> 00:26:35,227
It was like
a Nazi charter flight.
529
00:26:35,261 --> 00:26:37,296
This is a legitimate way
for Nazis
530
00:26:37,329 --> 00:26:39,065
to be able to travel
within South America.
531
00:26:39,098 --> 00:26:40,366
Yeah.
532
00:26:40,399 --> 00:26:41,934
We are starting to connect
533
00:26:41,968 --> 00:26:44,771
these Nazi facilities
534
00:26:44,804 --> 00:26:48,374
with a way to transport
people back and forth.
535
00:26:48,407 --> 00:26:52,912
I think we found the transportation
system the Nazis used
536
00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:54,947
to get around South America,
537
00:26:54,981 --> 00:26:57,684
and that's a seaplane
leaving from Buenos Aires
538
00:26:57,717 --> 00:26:59,318
into the interior.
539
00:26:59,351 --> 00:27:03,055
You need connections between
the various German areas,
540
00:27:03,089 --> 00:27:06,092
and this seaplane
would give you that.
541
00:27:06,125 --> 00:27:08,394
When we started
this investigation,
542
00:27:08,427 --> 00:27:13,232
it was Nazis made it to some
remote area and hid out.
543
00:27:13,265 --> 00:27:16,368
But now we've got airplanes that
are going around South America.
544
00:27:16,402 --> 00:27:19,038
The evidence is stacking up.
545
00:27:19,071 --> 00:27:22,441
Everything we've seen...
Communications, transportation,
546
00:27:22,474 --> 00:27:24,777
facilities, gold,
547
00:27:24,811 --> 00:27:27,113
they actually have the makings
548
00:27:27,146 --> 00:27:30,149
of a Nazi state
in South America.
549
00:27:30,182 --> 00:27:32,852
The Nazis
really did have a plan.
550
00:27:32,885 --> 00:27:35,087
They were going to flee Europe,
551
00:27:35,121 --> 00:27:39,425
and they were going to start
the Fourth Reich in Argentina.
552
00:27:39,458 --> 00:27:41,994
The question is,
where was the capital?
553
00:27:42,028 --> 00:27:43,229
We know it wasn't Misiones.
554
00:27:43,262 --> 00:27:44,430
It's too remote.
555
00:27:44,463 --> 00:27:47,033
Was it Buenos Aires?
556
00:27:47,066 --> 00:27:48,868
We got to get the team
to find out.
557
00:27:58,845 --> 00:28:00,179
There are still people out there
558
00:28:00,212 --> 00:28:02,048
that do not want
this story told,
559
00:28:02,081 --> 00:28:05,151
so anything that can
actually firm up
560
00:28:05,184 --> 00:28:07,186
this end of the story
would be brilliant.
561
00:28:07,219 --> 00:28:09,421
Tim Kennedy, Gerrard Williams
562
00:28:09,455 --> 00:28:11,323
and their local contact, Dante,
563
00:28:11,357 --> 00:28:13,726
are in Buenos Aires, Argentina,
564
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,762
following a new lead
that could change
565
00:28:15,795 --> 00:28:18,164
the course
of their investigation.
566
00:28:18,197 --> 00:28:21,133
In Argentina, they do not talk
about the Nazis.
567
00:28:21,167 --> 00:28:22,969
There's a wall of silence.
568
00:28:23,002 --> 00:28:25,437
70-something years on
after the end of World War II,
569
00:28:25,471 --> 00:28:27,139
it's still here.
570
00:28:27,173 --> 00:28:28,751
If we're going to break
through that wall,
571
00:28:28,775 --> 00:28:31,410
it has to be handled
very, very sensitively.
572
00:28:31,443 --> 00:28:34,947
The team has secured
an exclusive meeting
573
00:28:34,981 --> 00:28:37,784
with investigative journalist
Héctor Amudo,
574
00:28:37,817 --> 00:28:39,185
who has spent his career
575
00:28:39,218 --> 00:28:41,520
infiltrating Nazi networks
in South America.
576
00:28:41,553 --> 00:28:43,455
Héctor Amudo. Nice to meet you.
577
00:28:43,489 --> 00:28:45,925
He is rumored to have
access to a collection
578
00:28:45,958 --> 00:28:47,994
of never-before-seen documents
579
00:28:48,027 --> 00:28:50,863
outlining the Nazis' escape
through Buenos Aires.
580
00:28:50,897 --> 00:28:53,800
We were told
that you have information
581
00:28:53,833 --> 00:28:58,437
about the movement
of Nazis in Argentina,
582
00:28:58,470 --> 00:29:00,006
specifically in Buenos Aires.
583
00:29:17,389 --> 00:29:20,326
Did you ever get to meet
this informant in person?
584
00:29:23,262 --> 00:29:26,966
Day after that,
he received an e-mail
585
00:29:26,999 --> 00:29:29,902
with some documents
related to the right links.
586
00:29:37,076 --> 00:29:39,245
5,000 documents?
587
00:29:39,278 --> 00:29:42,248
There were migration documents,
588
00:29:42,281 --> 00:29:45,084
and he believes they don't exist
589
00:29:45,117 --> 00:29:46,552
anywhere in the world nowadays.
590
00:29:49,521 --> 00:29:52,892
So there are no public archive
versions of this or anything?
591
00:29:52,925 --> 00:29:54,293
No. No.
592
00:29:54,326 --> 00:29:57,563
These documents may be key
to discovering
593
00:29:57,596 --> 00:30:01,367
how the Nazis actually
operated in Argentina.
594
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,970
It's vitally important
that we get
595
00:30:04,003 --> 00:30:07,840
to the real source
of this information.
596
00:30:07,874 --> 00:30:10,109
That means seeing
the documents for ourselves
597
00:30:10,142 --> 00:30:12,378
and talking to the man
who has them.
598
00:30:12,411 --> 00:30:13,445
What's this man's name?
599
00:30:16,548 --> 00:30:18,084
He cannot reveal his name.
600
00:30:19,952 --> 00:30:22,855
It's paramount that we talk
to him, your informant.
601
00:30:26,025 --> 00:30:29,261
He says he's going to call
and try to convince him.
602
00:30:30,897 --> 00:30:32,398
If we want to see
these documents,
603
00:30:32,431 --> 00:30:34,366
if we want to go and talk
to this informant,
604
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,402
Héctor is our chance.
605
00:30:40,539 --> 00:30:41,539
How'd it go?
606
00:30:48,915 --> 00:30:50,950
Great. Ah, well-done.
607
00:30:50,983 --> 00:30:52,303
There's some conditions,
you know.
608
00:30:58,124 --> 00:31:00,126
There's no showing
of his face. Right.
609
00:31:02,929 --> 00:31:05,264
We agree to those
conditions. Yes.
610
00:31:05,297 --> 00:31:08,100
You know, just tell us
when and where to meet him.
611
00:31:08,134 --> 00:31:10,669
This level of effort
to remain anonymous
612
00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:13,172
means that he could have
groundbreaking evidence
613
00:31:13,205 --> 00:31:15,641
and information
about this investigation.
614
00:31:15,674 --> 00:31:18,610
There's no telling
what this informant has,
615
00:31:18,644 --> 00:31:22,148
but this could break
this investigation wide open.
616
00:31:31,557 --> 00:31:32,959
We have one more turn.
617
00:31:32,992 --> 00:31:34,293
Okay.
618
00:31:34,326 --> 00:31:36,128
In Buenos Aires, Argentina,
619
00:31:36,162 --> 00:31:38,965
Tim and Gerrard's local contact
620
00:31:38,998 --> 00:31:42,068
has arranged for the team
to meet with an informant
621
00:31:42,101 --> 00:31:44,170
who claims to have
in his possession
622
00:31:44,203 --> 00:31:46,172
a large quantity of documents
623
00:31:46,205 --> 00:31:48,274
regarding the movement
of escaped Nazis
624
00:31:48,307 --> 00:31:49,608
through Buenos Aires.
625
00:31:49,641 --> 00:31:51,210
He sounds really nervous,
626
00:31:51,243 --> 00:31:52,979
so we're just going
to have to make sure
627
00:31:53,012 --> 00:31:54,556
that, even though
the cameras are there,
628
00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:56,648
that the cameras feel
like they're not there,
629
00:31:56,682 --> 00:31:59,651
and if he focuses in on it
and gets really shy,
630
00:31:59,685 --> 00:32:01,954
then we have a problem.
631
00:32:01,988 --> 00:32:04,957
There's no telling how
important or significant
632
00:32:04,991 --> 00:32:07,093
this interview could become.
633
00:32:07,126 --> 00:32:09,728
This might give us
actual documentation
634
00:32:09,761 --> 00:32:11,363
of what happened to Adolf Hitler
635
00:32:11,397 --> 00:32:13,665
and other high-ranking Nazis.
636
00:32:13,699 --> 00:32:16,202
Let's do it.
637
00:32:16,235 --> 00:32:18,437
Just keep the camera down.
638
00:32:20,772 --> 00:32:22,741
This is it?
639
00:32:25,544 --> 00:32:26,712
-Hi.
640
00:32:26,745 --> 00:32:28,580
Tim.
641
00:32:28,614 --> 00:32:31,217
Due to the sensitive
nature of his documents,
642
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:33,252
the informant has requested
that the team
643
00:32:33,285 --> 00:32:35,487
keep his identity a secret.
644
00:32:35,521 --> 00:32:39,091
Really appreciate you taking
the time to talk to us.
645
00:32:39,125 --> 00:32:42,228
We're not going to use anything
646
00:32:42,261 --> 00:32:46,265
that will put you
or your family in jeopardy.
647
00:32:46,298 --> 00:32:47,375
We can disguise your voice.
648
00:32:47,399 --> 00:32:49,168
We can blur your face.
649
00:32:49,201 --> 00:32:51,303
We just want to see
the information.
650
00:32:51,337 --> 00:32:53,639
We understand
that you have documents
651
00:32:53,672 --> 00:32:57,643
that detail the movement
of Nazis in Argentina postwar.
652
00:33:04,183 --> 00:33:06,052
That's correct.
653
00:33:06,085 --> 00:33:10,156
Could you tell us where
you got these documents from,
654
00:33:10,189 --> 00:33:13,659
how u came to get your
hands on this information?
655
00:33:19,398 --> 00:33:22,268
He's a senior party member,
your granddad?
656
00:33:27,206 --> 00:33:31,710
There's an organization
that was founded by major Nazis.
657
00:33:31,743 --> 00:33:34,080
His grandfather,
being part of this community,
658
00:33:34,113 --> 00:33:36,248
received these documents.
659
00:33:36,282 --> 00:33:38,384
Then when his grandfather
passed away,
660
00:33:38,417 --> 00:33:41,520
he found files, documents.
661
00:33:41,553 --> 00:33:43,055
Was there a name for that group?
662
00:33:45,157 --> 00:33:47,559
Die Spinne was operating
in Argentina?
663
00:33:55,434 --> 00:33:58,337
We have investigated
Die Spinne before.
664
00:33:58,370 --> 00:34:04,276
On the 10th of August, 1944,
many wealthy German expats
665
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:06,278
as well as many Nazi officials,
666
00:34:06,312 --> 00:34:08,280
under the supervision
of Martin Bormann,
667
00:34:08,314 --> 00:34:10,649
met to plan the formation of...
668
00:34:12,718 --> 00:34:16,222
This was a network that could,
with great numbers and ease,
669
00:34:16,255 --> 00:34:19,725
transfer the highest-level Nazis
out of Europe.
670
00:34:19,758 --> 00:34:22,294
His grandfather
was at the center of Die Spinne.
671
00:34:22,328 --> 00:34:23,762
He helped and facilitated
672
00:34:23,795 --> 00:34:26,098
the movement
of high-ranking Nazis,
673
00:34:26,132 --> 00:34:28,334
maybe even Adolf Hitler himself,
into Argentina.
674
00:34:32,404 --> 00:34:34,540
Do you want to see
the accountant's book?
675
00:34:34,573 --> 00:34:36,642
Yeah. Yeah.
676
00:34:49,221 --> 00:34:50,789
The numbers, is that money?
677
00:34:53,659 --> 00:34:58,664
This is $288,000.
678
00:34:58,697 --> 00:35:01,333
Somebody is moving over
a quarter of a million dollars.
679
00:35:01,367 --> 00:35:03,735
Dollars? Dollars.
680
00:35:03,769 --> 00:35:06,538
These are massive sums of money.
681
00:35:06,572 --> 00:35:08,907
This is them counting
every single dollar
682
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,177
of them moving people
from Europe
683
00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:12,878
to Argentina and South America.
684
00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:14,813
Somebody was funding it.
685
00:35:14,846 --> 00:35:19,451
Somebody is financing it
to a huge level, so much money.
686
00:35:19,485 --> 00:35:22,188
What we have in our hands
is a ledger
687
00:35:22,221 --> 00:35:26,492
which details transactions
that pay for the ships
688
00:35:26,525 --> 00:35:28,727
that are bringing the Nazis
across the Atlantic
689
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,629
to their new home
in Buenos Aires.
690
00:35:30,662 --> 00:35:34,800
Do you have any other documents
of specific individuals
691
00:35:34,833 --> 00:35:37,636
about their movement,
how they came here, immigration?
692
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:42,908
Said we should go upstairs.
693
00:35:42,941 --> 00:35:45,377
Can we see them?
694
00:35:58,590 --> 00:36:01,893
These are all related
to the immigration?
695
00:36:08,367 --> 00:36:10,636
So every one of these
is an individual document
696
00:36:10,669 --> 00:36:13,239
of immigration.
697
00:36:13,272 --> 00:36:15,307
This is a massive amount
of information
698
00:36:15,341 --> 00:36:17,443
and a ton of documents.
699
00:36:17,476 --> 00:36:19,911
In the hopes of finally
setting history straight,
700
00:36:19,945 --> 00:36:21,647
the informant
has granted the team
701
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,615
exclusive permission to review,
702
00:36:23,649 --> 00:36:25,217
for the very first time,
703
00:36:25,251 --> 00:36:27,286
his cache of hundreds
of documents
704
00:36:27,319 --> 00:36:28,796
that have been kept
under lock and key
705
00:36:28,820 --> 00:36:31,223
for nearly 70 years.
706
00:36:31,257 --> 00:36:33,492
What this informant
was showing us is amazing...
707
00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:36,628
Stack after stack
of immigration documents,
708
00:36:36,662 --> 00:36:38,930
and if Adolf Eichmann,
Martin Bormann,
709
00:36:38,964 --> 00:36:41,567
or even Adolf Hitler
is in there,
710
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,235
that changes history.
711
00:36:43,269 --> 00:36:45,804
This is a treasure trove
of information.
712
00:36:45,837 --> 00:36:49,241
This is the Atlantis of
how Nazis are being moved.
713
00:36:59,951 --> 00:37:02,688
So every one of these
is an individual document
714
00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:03,955
of immigration.
715
00:37:03,989 --> 00:37:05,757
In Buenos Aires,
716
00:37:05,791 --> 00:37:08,327
Tim and Gerrard
prepare to inspect
717
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,797
a private collection of secret,
never-before-seen documents
718
00:37:11,830 --> 00:37:14,800
that could shed new light
on Nazi war criminals
719
00:37:14,833 --> 00:37:18,937
moving into Argentina
after World War II.
720
00:37:18,970 --> 00:37:23,575
These are proof of these Nazis
coming into the country.
721
00:37:23,609 --> 00:37:25,811
Yeah.
722
00:37:25,844 --> 00:37:29,648
The potential of what these
documents may contain
723
00:37:29,681 --> 00:37:31,883
could rewrite history.
724
00:37:31,917 --> 00:37:34,653
This could be hard evidence
on paper
725
00:37:34,686 --> 00:37:37,055
of Nazis entering Buenos Aires.
726
00:37:37,088 --> 00:37:39,291
Whatever information we gather,
727
00:37:39,325 --> 00:37:42,961
it could lead us directly
to Adolf Hitler himself.
728
00:37:42,994 --> 00:37:46,665
These are amazing.
729
00:37:46,698 --> 00:37:49,368
I've not seen documents
like this before.
730
00:37:49,401 --> 00:37:52,538
I would like to call a friend
in the archives in Buenos Aires
731
00:37:52,571 --> 00:37:55,374
and see if she can come
and just take a look at these
732
00:37:55,407 --> 00:37:57,075
and tell us they're real.
733
00:37:57,108 --> 00:37:58,043
- No problem.
- Brilliant.
734
00:37:58,076 --> 00:37:59,878
Okay.
735
00:37:59,911 --> 00:38:02,814
It is imperative when you
come across information,
736
00:38:02,848 --> 00:38:06,318
documentation that is
this significant to history,
737
00:38:06,352 --> 00:38:07,853
that it has to be authenticated.
738
00:38:07,886 --> 00:38:09,488
You know, it has to be vetted.
739
00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:12,591
It has to be shown
to be truthful and accurate.
740
00:38:14,893 --> 00:38:16,728
Lucrecia, thank you very much.
741
00:38:16,762 --> 00:38:19,097
Good to see you. Mm, and you.
742
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:23,602
Tim and Gerrard enlist
the help of Lucrecia Kessig,
743
00:38:23,635 --> 00:38:25,337
document verification expert
744
00:38:25,371 --> 00:38:27,606
from the Argentine
National Archives,
745
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:29,040
whose extensive knowledge
746
00:38:29,074 --> 00:38:32,678
will help the team
authenticate the documents.
747
00:38:32,711 --> 00:38:34,646
So, these are our documents.
748
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,382
Okay.
749
00:38:36,415 --> 00:38:37,749
Lucrecia
from the National Archive
750
00:38:37,783 --> 00:38:39,485
has been helpful before,
751
00:38:39,518 --> 00:38:41,853
especially in some of
my research in Buenos Aires.
752
00:38:41,887 --> 00:38:44,923
She knows her stuff,
so she'll be able to tell us
753
00:38:44,956 --> 00:38:48,026
whether this mound of
documentation that we have before us
754
00:38:48,059 --> 00:38:50,596
is real and is from the period.
755
00:38:50,629 --> 00:38:52,831
We're going to get
a professional in to tell us.
756
00:39:15,654 --> 00:39:16,688
Okay.
757
00:39:32,904 --> 00:39:34,224
So in your professional
opinion...
758
00:39:37,876 --> 00:39:39,110
Thank you.
759
00:39:39,144 --> 00:39:41,447
What Gerrard and I
have to do now
760
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,417
is go through every single
one of these documents.
761
00:39:45,451 --> 00:39:48,787
We're trying to find
high-ranking Nazis.
762
00:39:48,820 --> 00:39:50,889
We can't miss a single detail.
763
00:40:05,003 --> 00:40:06,672
How many boxes?
764
00:40:06,705 --> 00:40:10,008
We're getting through them.
765
00:40:10,041 --> 00:40:15,947
So 1945, 300,000 people
came to Argentina.
766
00:40:15,981 --> 00:40:20,519
In 1946, 351,000
came to Argentina.
767
00:40:20,552 --> 00:40:23,455
That's a lot of people moving
in and out of the country.
768
00:40:23,489 --> 00:40:24,699
How many of them are Nazis, Tim?
769
00:40:24,723 --> 00:40:26,792
How many of them were fascists?
770
00:40:26,825 --> 00:40:28,903
How many of them were the worst
creatures on the planet?
771
00:40:32,097 --> 00:40:33,999
Some more...
772
00:40:34,032 --> 00:40:35,142
More immigration?
...disembark. Yeah.
773
00:40:35,166 --> 00:40:36,868
Yeah. Immigration disembarks.
774
00:40:36,902 --> 00:40:38,062
Recognize any of these people?
775
00:40:42,574 --> 00:40:45,210
The ship manifest, Tim.
Passenger numbers?
776
00:40:45,243 --> 00:40:47,613
Yeah.
777
00:40:47,646 --> 00:40:52,117
And number 920 sticks out
like a sore thumb.
778
00:40:54,185 --> 00:40:59,090
Last name on the list,
typed in black.
779
00:40:59,124 --> 00:41:04,530
Gregor Helmut, Gregor Helmut,
NN, Gregor Helmut.
780
00:41:04,563 --> 00:41:07,666
Helmut Gregor, Tim,
is Josef Mengele.
781
00:41:09,901 --> 00:41:13,138
And Josef Mengele is one
of the most foul creatures
782
00:41:13,171 --> 00:41:14,906
the world has ever produced,
783
00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:16,908
the camp doctor at Auschwitz,
784
00:41:16,942 --> 00:41:20,011
Auschwitz's Angel of Death.
785
00:41:20,045 --> 00:41:22,514
This is his alias?
This is Josef Mengele's alias?
786
00:41:22,548 --> 00:41:26,184
One of the many he uses,
but it's the first one he uses.
787
00:41:26,217 --> 00:41:27,919
It looks like
it's been added on.
788
00:41:27,953 --> 00:41:29,888
Maybe he's late
to join the ship.
789
00:41:29,921 --> 00:41:32,624
Holy
790
00:41:32,658 --> 00:41:36,795
We know how Helmut Gregor
is actually Josef Mengele,
791
00:41:36,828 --> 00:41:39,030
one of the worst criminals
in the Holocaust,
792
00:41:39,064 --> 00:41:43,034
very, very senior
in that Nazi network
793
00:41:43,068 --> 00:41:47,773
and a man who is being not
just given refuge in Argentina,
794
00:41:47,806 --> 00:41:50,809
but being welcomed here.
795
00:41:50,842 --> 00:41:55,080
We know, after World War II,
Josef Mengele was never caught.
796
00:41:55,113 --> 00:41:57,115
Following Mengele could lead us
797
00:41:57,148 --> 00:41:59,718
directly to Adolf Hitler
himself.
798
00:42:03,354 --> 00:42:05,991
Next time on "Hunting Hitler"...
799
00:42:06,024 --> 00:42:07,192
Look at that light bulb.
800
00:42:07,225 --> 00:42:09,127
Oh.
801
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,597
It is a swastika. It's a beacon.
802
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:15,767
We now have a hydroelectric
power plant here in Uruguay
803
00:42:15,801 --> 00:42:17,836
that could have been
producing heavy water,
804
00:42:17,869 --> 00:42:20,205
one of the most
important components
805
00:42:20,238 --> 00:42:21,973
to a nuclear weapon
from the Nazis.
806
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:32,829
The house that you
saw Adolf Hitler...
807
00:42:39,825 --> 00:42:41,827
Look at this fence.
808
00:42:41,860 --> 00:42:45,897
Why do you need that out here?
809
00:42:45,931 --> 00:42:47,241
This could be a perfect
spot for an ambush,
810
00:42:47,265 --> 00:42:49,067
a couple of guys
with machine guns.
811
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:50,168
Nobody is getting through.
812
00:42:52,871 --> 00:42:55,073
This might be a guard shack.
813
00:42:55,106 --> 00:42:57,142
From this one position alone,
814
00:42:57,175 --> 00:42:59,344
you could almost walk
down this valley.
815
00:42:59,377 --> 00:43:03,048
This is where Adolf Hitler
could stay safe and secure
816
00:43:03,081 --> 00:43:04,816
and live out his old age,
817
00:43:04,850 --> 00:43:06,852
move his plans forward
for the Fourth Reich.
818
00:43:06,876 --> 00:43:08,876
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