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[preacher] Ladies and gentlemen,
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we are blessed to have with us
a key man in the world today.
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One of the most beloved
of the Pentecostal movement in America.
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God has chosen him.
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There's a destiny at work in him.
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He's prayed with presidents.
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Now, I know no one who ministers
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so tirelessly to so many.
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[crowd responds in agreement]
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And he's been going non-stop this tour,
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and I thank God
for giving him the strength...
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-[woman] Hallelujah!
-...to be with us
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before he flies back home to Tulsa.
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[crowd responds in agreement]
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Ladies and gentlemen...
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[crowd responds in agreement]
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put your hands together...
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for the one, the only...
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Bishop Carlton Pearson.
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[cheers and applause]
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[woman] We kindly ask you
to step out of the aisle
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to allow passengers behind you to pass.
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Please place all carry-on items
in the overhead bins
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and any smaller items underneath
the seat in front of you.
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[woman] No, listen to me.
They're not bluffing, okay?
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No, they're not.
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No, trust me.
We're at that point now.
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If we go back for more,
they're gonna walk.
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Could I get a red wine, please?
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Tulsa, for a deposition.
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All right, I'll talk to you Monday.
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Okay, bye.
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-[woman] Here you are, miss.
-Oh, thanks.
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[chuckles]
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You a lawyer?
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Yeah.
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Must be a lot of work.
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You must love what you do.
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Even the preachers back then,
a lot of them were illiterate.
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Most of them were janitors.
The women were housekeepers.
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The way it was back then, you either went
to church or you went to jail.
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Every Sunday, the church folk would haul
in the drunks and the backsliders
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for altar calls.
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"Uncle so-and-so just got out
of San Quentin."
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-What are altar calls?
-Oh, you don't go to church?
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When I was young,
but I was raised Catholic.
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What happened?
Why did you stop going to church?
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I don't know.
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I think the part I liked the most
was being a family.
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You married?
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Technically.
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It's...
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Mmm...
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It's complicated. [laughs]
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Oh.
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I mean-- I should finish.
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You know, maybe it's not just chance.
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You sitting there, me sitting here.
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Like, fate?
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Or purpose.
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I can't have kids.
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My husband wanted to have kids
and I put it off.
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[sighs]
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Do you have kids?
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Oh, yeah, I got 'em.
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Yeah, I got a boy and a girl.
They're a pain in the ass.
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[laughs]
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I didn't wanna get married
and have kids, honestly.
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I was raised to believe that having
a family was a distraction from God.
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I struggled with it.
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I still do.
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Even though they're the most
precious thing to me now.
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I'm...
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-I'm so sorry. I'm...
-It's okay.
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-I'm such a mess.
-That's how everybody feels.
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Things are going okay, you skate by.
When they're not, the sky falls in.
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I want you to imagine something,
just for a second.
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And I want you to really imagine this.
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There's a reason for things.
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And there's a simple choice.
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I could get you saved right now
if you wanted.
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-What does that mean, exactly?
-Pray with me.
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Relinquish your sins.
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Accept Jesus Christ into your life.
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[laughs]
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-On a flight to Tulsa?
-[laughs]
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Hold my hand.
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[Carlton] And she's right there...
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and I'm right there with her.
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And I know this woman is going to hell
if I don't do something about it.
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She's never been saved.
She's not born again.
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But I'm tired, Lord. I've...
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been to seven churches in four days.
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Spent all night,
the night before, preaching.
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And I heard God say,
"No, don't let go, Bishop."
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[woman] Amen!
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"Hold on."
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I hear Him say, "She needs your love."
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[crowd responds in agreement]
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And it's a tough love.
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She don't want to hear it.
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It's like I love my kids.
I don't care how much that spoon hurts.
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[laughter]
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Now all the white people
are looking at me like,
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"That's not how we do discipline."
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[laughs]
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All the white folk here, they like
the nice-talking for the discipline.
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"Now, don't do that, Tommy.
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Oh, please don't do that, Tommy.
Please."
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-[laughs]
-You know, I'm kidding,
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because these days,
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black people are starting to discipline
their kids just like white people do.
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The white folk are starting
to beat their kids
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-like the black folk.
-[laughter]
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Ain't that a blessing? I don't know.
Maybe it's a blessing, who knows?
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[laughs]
Okay, let's get back into it, okay?
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Now, we love
because Jesus teaches us to love.
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[crowd] Right.
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So, I can love my parents.
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I can-- I can love my children,
I can love my wife.
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I love you, honey. I can love all of you.
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I can love you, and you, and you.
I can love this beautiful choir.
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[organ plays]
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I can love this music.
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-I love you, Reggie, I do. I love you.
-Oh, I love you, too, Bishop.
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Jesus said,
"I give you the authority to love."
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You have been authorized.
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You have been anointed and appointed
to bring His love.
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[applause]
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-Yes!
-Yes!
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That's why we knock on every door,
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turn over every stone,
bug people on planes,
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pass out tracts, rant and rave,
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shake 'em till we save every soul!
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We may not like it.
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We may be tired or ticked off,
but this is what we do.
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Look at somebody and say,
"This is what we do."
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-[all] This is what we do!
-Because the world needs to get saved!
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[all] The world needs to get saved!
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Lift 'em up and say, "Hallelujah!"
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[all] Hallelujah!
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Say, "I'm a soldier."
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-[all] I'm a soldier!
-Say, "I'm a soldier!"
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-[all] I'm a soldier!
-♪ Hey, I'm a soldier ♪
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[all] ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪
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♪ I'm a soldier ♪
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[all] ♪ In the army ♪
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[Carlton] ♪ I'm a soldier ♪
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[all] ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪
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[Carlton] ♪ I'm a soldier ♪
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[all] ♪ In the army ♪
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[Carlton] ♪ I'm a soldier ♪
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[all] ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪
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[Carlton] ♪ I'm a soldier ♪
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[all] ♪ In the army ♪
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♪ If I die, let me die ♪
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[all] ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪
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♪ If I die, let me die ♪
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[all] ♪ In the army ♪
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♪ If I die, let me die ♪
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[all] ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪
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♪ If I die, let me die ♪
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[all] ♪ In the army ♪
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[Carlton] ♪ I got my war clothes on ♪
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[all] ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪
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♪ I got my war clothes on ♪
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[all] ♪ In the army ♪
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[Carlton] ♪ Yeah, I'm a soldier ♪
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[all] ♪ In the army of the Lord ♪
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♪ In the army ♪
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♪ I'm a soldier ♪
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♪ I'm a soldier ♪
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♪ I'm a soldier ♪
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♪ I'm a soldier ♪
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♪ I'm a soldier ♪
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♪ I'm a soldier ♪
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♪ I'm a soldier ♪
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♪ I'm a soldier ♪
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[Claire] St. Stephens moved
their women's conference
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to Friday the 14th.
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I can get Julian from school,
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but I'm gonna have to move your lunch
with Lady Gail.
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[Nicky] Sister Gina?
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-You left it in the pulpit.
-Oh, thank you.
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I wanted to talk to you
about Friday's class?
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-Did you get my message?
-I did.
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I think it's fine.
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Well, no, it's actually-- It's just...
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if you misquote scripture,
people question your teaching.
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I thought maybe we could run through it
together next week?
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-Claire, can you set a time for that?
-Yes.
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Okay?
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Thanks.
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You okay?
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Yeah, just go on up. I'll be right there.
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Okay.
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[Henry] We had a great turnout
this morning.
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-Full house.
-That's great.
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That was a beautiful sermon today.
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Thank you.
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We ought to book you
on some transatlantic flights.
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You'd get the whole plane saved.
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-[laughs]
-Sounds like you had a productive trip.
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Carlton?
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You ready? We're scheduled
back to back today.
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Let's do it.
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[baby coos]
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-Da?
-[baby coos]
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-Da?
-[baby coos]
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Da?
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[Gina] Okay, Julian.
More greens on that plate.
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Maj is down.
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Do you want me
to pack your bag for tomorrow?
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No, I already packed, baby.
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[buzzer sounds]
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Empty your pockets, sir.
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Step through.
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There you go.
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[Quincy laughs]
Oh, man, it's good to see you.
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[Carlton] Tell me, Uncle Quincy.Tell me.
I want to know the whole story.
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I've been praying a lot.
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Yeah, thinking.
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I-- I guess y'all praying for me
actually worked.
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[both laugh]
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They got you a church down here?
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Yeah, they got that nice little church.
Yeah, about a mile from here.
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-Good Shepherd.
-Good Shepherd.
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Bus pick us up every Sunday.
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-Praise God.
-Yeah. Praise God.
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Six weeks.
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Six weeks, you're out, Uncle Quincy.
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Yeah.
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There's something else.
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They found drugs in my room.
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It wasn't mine, but that ain't the point.
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[exhales]
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They're gonna revoke my parole.
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Six years.
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But my PO tells me you can help.
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I mean, if you write a letter
to the board...
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Who you are and all...
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the people you know,
maybe they let it slide.
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Is this why you asked me here?
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-No, it's not why. I told you...
-No, you told me you wanted to get saved.
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Yeah, I do.
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Hey, Carly? Hey, man.
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I had this vision.
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I mean, it's so clear and beautiful.
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When did your PO tell you
about this letter?
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Oh, Carly.
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No, no.
When did he tell you about this letter?
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Two weeks.
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Before you called me?
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Six years, Carly.
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Doesn't matter if it's six years or sixty.
256
00:13:16,838 --> 00:13:19,632
The way you live, you're going to hell,
and that's forever.
257
00:13:19,716 --> 00:13:21,050
Then get me saved.
258
00:13:21,134 --> 00:13:23,720
I can't save you to help you
with the parole board.
259
00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,224
-It's not the way it works.
-Can't do this kind of time anymore, man.
260
00:13:29,392 --> 00:13:32,562
-Hell, I'll be 76 when I get out of here.
-I'll come back.
261
00:13:33,604 --> 00:13:34,856
I'll help you through it.
262
00:13:36,774 --> 00:13:38,151
But you got to do the work.
263
00:13:39,527 --> 00:13:41,321
I want to help you, Uncle Quincy.
264
00:13:43,114 --> 00:13:43,990
I do.
265
00:13:46,284 --> 00:13:47,785
This is the only way I know.
266
00:14:01,924 --> 00:14:03,217
Eh...
267
00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:08,973
-I still love you, boy.
-Yeah.
268
00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:10,975
[chuckles]
269
00:14:11,059 --> 00:14:15,313
I love you, Uncle Quincy. I do.
Always, always.
270
00:14:18,274 --> 00:14:20,318
Remember who you get your charm from.
271
00:14:20,985 --> 00:14:22,362
[chuckles]
272
00:14:30,286 --> 00:14:31,579
[buzzer sounds]
273
00:15:01,359 --> 00:15:03,027
[telephone rings in the distance]
274
00:15:05,905 --> 00:15:06,739
[door opens]
275
00:15:09,951 --> 00:15:12,078
Carlton? You okay?
276
00:15:12,161 --> 00:15:14,664
-Thanks for seeing me, Chief.
-God bless you, son.
277
00:15:16,332 --> 00:15:17,166
Richard.
278
00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:18,960
-Good to see you, Carlton.
-You too.
279
00:15:20,670 --> 00:15:23,256
Of course, he's your uncle
and you love him dearly.
280
00:15:24,215 --> 00:15:26,717
No, it's not just Uncle Quincy, it's...
281
00:15:26,801 --> 00:15:29,137
half the people I grew up with
and their kids.
282
00:15:29,971 --> 00:15:34,308
They're all going
in the wrong direction, backsliding.
283
00:15:35,476 --> 00:15:36,727
What did I do about it?
284
00:15:39,188 --> 00:15:40,231
I feel like I...
285
00:15:42,483 --> 00:15:45,445
ran from home and spent my life
saving people I don't know.
286
00:15:46,195 --> 00:15:47,947
You did not run.
287
00:15:48,739 --> 00:15:51,534
You came here
and got into our university...
288
00:15:52,410 --> 00:15:54,620
and you dedicated your life to God.
289
00:15:55,121 --> 00:15:56,747
But I understand how you feel,
290
00:15:57,540 --> 00:16:01,127
thinking of all those you love
but were unable to save.
291
00:16:02,462 --> 00:16:05,548
When Ronnie died,
I felt just the way you do now.
292
00:16:05,882 --> 00:16:07,675
Helpless and guilty.
293
00:16:08,843 --> 00:16:11,596
But what in heaven's name was I gonna do?
294
00:16:12,346 --> 00:16:15,725
How could I ever accept a gay son?
295
00:16:17,226 --> 00:16:21,022
And you know, when we got the news
that Ronnie had killed himself...
296
00:16:21,105 --> 00:16:23,983
more than the awful, awful guilt I felt
297
00:16:24,066 --> 00:16:26,652
was the fact that
I had spent my whole life
298
00:16:26,736 --> 00:16:30,448
healing people and getting people saved
at the Crusades and on television
299
00:16:30,531 --> 00:16:34,076
and I could not bring my own son
to deliverance.
300
00:16:34,702 --> 00:16:37,371
I prayed and prayed for answers.
301
00:16:37,872 --> 00:16:40,708
It was the greatest test
of my faith, ever.
302
00:16:41,334 --> 00:16:44,378
And when I came to understand
that it was a test...
303
00:16:46,422 --> 00:16:48,382
then I was made stronger than ever.
304
00:16:50,092 --> 00:16:52,011
Thank heaven, God gave me you.
305
00:16:53,262 --> 00:16:55,806
I've always thought of you
as a son, Carlton.
306
00:16:56,349 --> 00:16:57,850
That's what I tell folks.
307
00:16:57,934 --> 00:16:59,393
You're my black son.
308
00:17:00,978 --> 00:17:02,480
What year'd you get here, in '70?
309
00:17:02,563 --> 00:17:04,732
-Seventy-one.
-Seventy-one.
310
00:17:05,525 --> 00:17:09,820
The Holy Spirit drew me to you
the moment I saw you. Praise God.
311
00:17:10,238 --> 00:17:12,782
And one day, maybe soon,
312
00:17:13,407 --> 00:17:15,117
the good Lord will call me home.
313
00:17:15,826 --> 00:17:19,413
But my comfort and my joy is knowing...
314
00:17:20,373 --> 00:17:22,166
that you're here to lead the way.
315
00:17:22,792 --> 00:17:23,626
Yes.
316
00:17:25,044 --> 00:17:25,878
[baby cries]
317
00:17:25,962 --> 00:17:28,923
I don't see how you expect us to pull
something like that together, Carlton.
318
00:17:29,006 --> 00:17:32,134
Look, just make a list of all the cities
I guest-preached at last year
319
00:17:32,218 --> 00:17:33,761
and we take the pageant to every one.
320
00:17:33,844 --> 00:17:36,764
I'm sorry, the entire choir and band?
You know how much that would cost?
321
00:17:36,847 --> 00:17:39,392
Well, you know I can do arrangements
for a smaller choir, right?
322
00:17:39,475 --> 00:17:41,561
And we could just use
the local church band.
323
00:17:41,644 --> 00:17:43,771
Guys, I already have accounting
on my back about Azusa.
324
00:17:43,854 --> 00:17:46,524
-We're incredibly over budget, Carlton.
-[Carlton] I'm sorry, Henry,
325
00:17:46,607 --> 00:17:48,317
I can't care about that.
326
00:17:48,401 --> 00:17:50,236
-[Reggie] It's Ben.
-Tell him I'll call back.
327
00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:52,488
Do me a favor.
Would you rub his shoulders?
328
00:17:52,572 --> 00:17:54,365
-[chuckling]
-Do something.
329
00:17:54,782 --> 00:17:57,118
We need to keep growing,
not rolling back.
330
00:17:57,201 --> 00:17:58,911
Nobody's saying we need to roll back.
331
00:17:58,995 --> 00:18:00,997
We're shuffling sheep,
but it's all the same flock.
332
00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,249
If we're not reaching more people,
then I don't know.
333
00:18:03,833 --> 00:18:07,461
-You want some more maple syrup?
-Sorry, my car wouldn't start.
334
00:18:07,545 --> 00:18:08,838
Got here as soon as I could.
335
00:18:09,672 --> 00:18:13,426
All right, so this is the one
the ad people like.
336
00:18:13,509 --> 00:18:16,178
It's a mock-up, but you get the idea.
337
00:18:21,517 --> 00:18:22,560
Looks good.
338
00:18:25,646 --> 00:18:26,480
No?
339
00:18:28,941 --> 00:18:30,401
The tears are a bit much.
340
00:18:30,901 --> 00:18:32,862
And your head,
it's too big for the wording.
341
00:18:33,362 --> 00:18:35,698
You should make the wording bigger
and move it over.
342
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,326
Or you could make your head smaller.
343
00:18:39,410 --> 00:18:43,080
Yeah, Ms. Pearson, I don't think
we can make his head any smaller. It's--
344
00:18:43,664 --> 00:18:44,915
[light chuckling]
345
00:18:46,876 --> 00:18:49,128
I'm only saying
what no one else has the nerve to.
346
00:18:49,211 --> 00:18:53,090
-You're making everybody uncomfortable.
-You mean, I'm making you uncomfortable?
347
00:18:54,717 --> 00:18:56,218
You need to let go of Nicky.
348
00:18:56,761 --> 00:18:58,763
She's not organized, Carlton.
You said it yourself.
349
00:18:58,846 --> 00:19:00,222
She's late more than half the time.
350
00:19:00,306 --> 00:19:02,433
I can't fire people
'cause you don't like 'em.
351
00:19:02,516 --> 00:19:05,269
She's a single mom.
She's late because she's juggling a lot.
352
00:19:05,353 --> 00:19:07,480
And chasing me around with my stupid hats?
353
00:19:07,563 --> 00:19:08,898
You left it on stage.
354
00:19:09,690 --> 00:19:12,026
You left another one in the parking lot.
Was that last week?
355
00:19:12,109 --> 00:19:14,737
-I hate those hats.
-Then don't wear them, Gina.
356
00:19:16,447 --> 00:19:17,698
What're we talking about?
357
00:19:27,792 --> 00:19:29,502
[phone rings]
358
00:19:32,296 --> 00:19:34,507
[phone continues ringing]
359
00:19:38,094 --> 00:19:38,928
Hello?
360
00:19:40,012 --> 00:19:40,846
Ma?
361
00:19:41,806 --> 00:19:43,974
Yeah, Ma, slow down.
What happened?
362
00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:45,851
What?
363
00:19:47,353 --> 00:19:48,437
[Gina] What happened?
364
00:19:50,731 --> 00:19:52,441
My Uncle Quincy hung himself.
365
00:19:54,777 --> 00:19:55,695
[exhales]
366
00:19:58,739 --> 00:19:59,615
Yeah...
367
00:20:01,117 --> 00:20:02,034
[exhales]
368
00:20:02,118 --> 00:20:03,077
Yeah, okay.
369
00:20:03,619 --> 00:20:05,204
[organ plays]
370
00:20:10,126 --> 00:20:12,211
[Carlton] In some ways, Quincy raised us.
371
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:16,882
Helped me raise money to go to college.
372
00:20:17,425 --> 00:20:18,759
Some from this church.
373
00:20:19,176 --> 00:20:20,553
[crowd responds in agreement]
374
00:20:20,636 --> 00:20:24,098
I sometimes wondered where the rest
of the money came from. [laughs]
375
00:20:24,181 --> 00:20:25,641
[laughter]
376
00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:27,268
We all know he had his schemes.
377
00:20:27,351 --> 00:20:28,644
[crowd responds in agreement]
378
00:20:29,478 --> 00:20:31,397
But he was always making people laugh.
379
00:20:32,690 --> 00:20:36,318
He'd always say,
"Remember who you get your charm from."
380
00:20:39,405 --> 00:20:40,823
He never found God.
381
00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:44,577
He never found God.
382
00:20:45,578 --> 00:20:46,704
But I pray for him.
383
00:20:48,998 --> 00:20:50,207
I pray for his soul.
384
00:21:02,803 --> 00:21:06,932
It was good, what you said about Quincy.
He would have appreciated it.
385
00:21:07,975 --> 00:21:10,686
-I didn't realize how many stories I had.
-[both laugh]
386
00:21:10,770 --> 00:21:13,606
I almost told the one about the time
he took me and Elector to the track.
387
00:21:13,689 --> 00:21:15,357
At the man's memorial?
388
00:21:15,441 --> 00:21:17,151
[laughing] It's one of my favorites, Ma.
389
00:21:17,234 --> 00:21:19,820
Ooh, I was so mad at him for that.
390
00:21:19,904 --> 00:21:22,823
I never screamed so much in my life,
that horse came in.
391
00:21:24,992 --> 00:21:28,204
Then I had to come back
and tell you what I'd won.
392
00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:31,457
Elector knew how to keep a secret
better than you did.
393
00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:33,959
You were all,
"God sees everything."
394
00:21:34,043 --> 00:21:34,960
Mm-hmm.
395
00:21:35,628 --> 00:21:38,672
-You told me I wasn't going to heaven.
-You were gambling.
396
00:21:38,756 --> 00:21:40,800
I was six years old, Ma.
397
00:21:40,883 --> 00:21:43,969
-You scared me half to death.
-Well, it worked.
398
00:21:51,352 --> 00:21:54,146
-You know I went to visit him, right?
-Yeah.
399
00:21:54,855 --> 00:21:55,815
He told me.
400
00:21:57,066 --> 00:21:59,026
Said he was happy to see you.
401
00:22:01,153 --> 00:22:02,363
[sighs]
402
00:22:02,446 --> 00:22:04,323
He wanted me to write him a letter.
He tell you?
403
00:22:05,574 --> 00:22:07,952
No, what letter?
404
00:22:08,494 --> 00:22:09,745
For the Prison Board.
405
00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:12,540
Vouching for him, I guess.
406
00:22:13,916 --> 00:22:17,002
He said he messed up
and they were gonna revoke his parole,
407
00:22:17,086 --> 00:22:19,922
but if I-- if I wrote this letter,
they'd let him out.
408
00:22:21,966 --> 00:22:22,800
I said no.
409
00:22:25,219 --> 00:22:26,220
Why?
410
00:22:28,556 --> 00:22:30,182
Letter wasn't the point.
411
00:22:30,975 --> 00:22:34,395
He called me down there
to get him saved, but he wasn't ready.
412
00:22:35,271 --> 00:22:37,189
I told him I'd come back and he...
413
00:22:39,108 --> 00:22:40,568
He just needed more time.
414
00:22:42,027 --> 00:22:42,945
More time?
415
00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:49,493
He was 70 years old.
416
00:23:08,053 --> 00:23:09,763
[man on TV] They've survived the war
417
00:23:09,847 --> 00:23:12,349
and traveled hundreds of miles
to get here.
418
00:23:14,268 --> 00:23:16,061
[man speaking native language]
419
00:23:26,614 --> 00:23:29,366
It's a scene that typifies
the Western response
420
00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:31,201
to the Rwanda crises.
421
00:23:31,285 --> 00:23:35,331
Few people with few resources,
overwhelmed by millions.
422
00:23:35,873 --> 00:23:39,960
The UN puts the death toll
of this genocide at 800,000,
423
00:23:40,044 --> 00:23:41,837
almost half of them children.
424
00:23:41,921 --> 00:23:45,633
And doctors fear that
if the situation doesn't quickly improve,
425
00:23:45,716 --> 00:23:48,719
many thousands more will die here
in the coming weeks.
426
00:23:49,178 --> 00:23:50,971
As one medic we spoke to said,
427
00:23:51,889 --> 00:23:54,642
"Either there's hope, or there's nothing."
428
00:23:55,392 --> 00:23:56,936
We've asked the medics....
429
00:23:57,603 --> 00:23:59,605
[TV continues indistinctly]
430
00:24:10,157 --> 00:24:11,408
[whispers indistinctly]
431
00:24:13,494 --> 00:24:15,913
[quietly] Oh, Lord. Help me.
432
00:24:17,122 --> 00:24:19,375
God... why?
433
00:24:25,339 --> 00:24:26,840
I don't understand.
434
00:24:27,257 --> 00:24:28,217
God...
435
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:29,718
Oh, my...
436
00:24:33,764 --> 00:24:35,349
God, I don't know...
437
00:24:38,686 --> 00:24:41,355
But I still believe. I do.
438
00:24:43,816 --> 00:24:45,234
[Carlton] I said, "God, I don't know
439
00:24:45,317 --> 00:24:47,778
how you can call yourself
a loving, sovereign God
440
00:24:47,861 --> 00:24:49,780
and let these people suffer like this.
441
00:24:50,239 --> 00:24:51,240
Oh, God.
442
00:24:52,074 --> 00:24:53,742
[Carlton] None of them are saved.
443
00:24:55,077 --> 00:24:56,412
They don't know Christ.
444
00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:58,330
They're not born again.
445
00:24:59,957 --> 00:25:03,836
And when they die,
you just suck 'em down into hell.
446
00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:05,004
Oh, God.
447
00:25:06,422 --> 00:25:07,631
Oh, my God...
448
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:17,933
[Cartlon] And then I heard a voice,
449
00:25:18,017 --> 00:25:19,852
as clear as my own, say...
450
00:25:20,936 --> 00:25:22,187
"Is that what you think?
451
00:25:23,147 --> 00:25:26,483
That we're sucking them all down
into hell when they die?" I said, "Yes."
452
00:25:27,776 --> 00:25:29,778
And He said,
"What would you do about that?"
453
00:25:30,988 --> 00:25:33,490
-I said, "Well, we got to get 'em saved."
-[woman] That's right.
454
00:25:33,574 --> 00:25:35,117
[crowd responds in agreement]
455
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,952
Got to speak the gospel to them.
456
00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:41,248
Then He said, "Well, if that's
what you think will get 'em saved,
457
00:25:41,331 --> 00:25:42,708
then put your baby down,
458
00:25:42,791 --> 00:25:44,668
turn off your big screen TV,
459
00:25:45,294 --> 00:25:47,963
and get on the first thing smoking,
and get 'em saved."
460
00:25:48,047 --> 00:25:49,506
[light applause]
461
00:25:52,718 --> 00:25:55,012
I said,
"God, don't put that guilt on me.
462
00:25:55,596 --> 00:25:58,223
I've given you
the best 40 years of my life.
463
00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:02,061
Besides, I can't save the whole world."
464
00:26:03,353 --> 00:26:04,855
And He said, "Precisely.
465
00:26:07,441 --> 00:26:09,109
You can't save this world.
466
00:26:11,445 --> 00:26:12,654
That's what we did."
467
00:26:16,325 --> 00:26:19,244
Oh, stay with me. Stay with me.
468
00:26:20,537 --> 00:26:22,998
All my life, I've been taught it.
469
00:26:24,208 --> 00:26:27,086
Everything I know points to a choice,
heaven or hell.
470
00:26:27,878 --> 00:26:29,338
Many people I loved...
471
00:26:30,756 --> 00:26:33,300
members of my own family went to hell,
and they're there for good.
472
00:26:33,383 --> 00:26:34,718
Now, I could never reconcile that,
473
00:26:34,802 --> 00:26:36,804
but I do accept it,
because they had a choice.
474
00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:42,309
But when did these people in Africa
separate from God?
475
00:26:44,144 --> 00:26:45,604
When did they make a choice?
476
00:26:47,981 --> 00:26:49,650
And how do they get saved?
477
00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:55,114
And He said,
"They don't need to get saved.
478
00:26:57,616 --> 00:26:59,076
They're already saved.
479
00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:02,454
And I've taken them into my presence.
480
00:27:04,998 --> 00:27:06,708
They will all be with me...
481
00:27:09,128 --> 00:27:10,087
in heaven."
482
00:27:10,170 --> 00:27:11,630
[crowd murmurs]
483
00:27:16,218 --> 00:27:18,887
You get up there
and you tell 6,000 people,
484
00:27:18,971 --> 00:27:20,889
people who depend on your council,
485
00:27:20,973 --> 00:27:23,851
that everything they believe,
and 2,000 years of history, is wrong?
486
00:27:23,934 --> 00:27:25,644
That's not what I said.
487
00:27:25,727 --> 00:27:29,022
Okay, can you explain what you did say,
because I don't think I understand.
488
00:27:29,106 --> 00:27:31,150
I know it's confusing, Henry, but...
489
00:27:31,733 --> 00:27:34,403
I felt God's love and I heard His voice.
490
00:27:36,572 --> 00:27:38,615
Carlton, if those people in Africa,
491
00:27:38,699 --> 00:27:40,993
Catholics, Muslims, if they're all saved,
492
00:27:41,076 --> 00:27:42,995
does that mean that everyone is saved?
493
00:27:43,912 --> 00:27:45,956
Everyone gets a pass, however they live?
494
00:27:46,582 --> 00:27:49,168
-Homosexuals, murderers, rapists?
-I don't know.
495
00:27:49,751 --> 00:27:50,669
I don't know.
496
00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:54,923
But God isn't sending those people
in Africa to hell.
497
00:27:56,133 --> 00:27:58,260
A loving God lets people choose.
498
00:27:58,343 --> 00:28:01,680
That's scripture, right?
That's the good news.
499
00:28:01,763 --> 00:28:04,308
-If we "choose" to seek God.
-Those people, too?
500
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:08,145
-I can't believe you and I are having...
-Oh, I'm asking.
501
00:28:08,228 --> 00:28:10,439
Yeah, yes. Those people, too.
502
00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:12,232
Dying of Cholera and famine,
503
00:28:12,316 --> 00:28:15,694
the mothers watching their kids die
in dirt fields in the middle of nowhere?
504
00:28:15,777 --> 00:28:17,696
Wherever they're at. Okay?
505
00:28:17,779 --> 00:28:19,907
Wherever they're at,
in whatever corner of the world,
506
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:22,784
if they are truly seeking God,
they will find Him.
507
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,954
Through a missionary, through a dream,
through a vision.
508
00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:28,624
One way or another,
they will be brought to Christ.
509
00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:30,834
And you're sure about that?
510
00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:33,045
It's the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
511
00:28:33,128 --> 00:28:37,007
It's the same gospel
that you've been preaching for 25 years.
512
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,015
Why didn't you call me?
513
00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:51,855
Or call a meeting? Just take a minute
before you get up there?
514
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:56,568
Just... come on, you owe me that much.
515
00:29:08,997 --> 00:29:11,667
I don't know how long.
A few days, maybe.
516
00:29:13,460 --> 00:29:16,505
I'm only asking because I need
to figure out what to tell Julian.
517
00:29:16,588 --> 00:29:18,340
He's old enough to know something's wrong.
518
00:29:18,423 --> 00:29:19,508
Tell him the truth.
519
00:29:20,259 --> 00:29:22,552
I need time to fast and pray.
520
00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:26,765
I'll be home soon.
521
00:29:30,811 --> 00:29:33,897
[man over radio] ...not even Bishop
Pearson to reinterpret God's word.
522
00:29:33,981 --> 00:29:36,608
[woman] Say what you want
about what he's preaching right now...
523
00:29:36,692 --> 00:29:37,985
you gotta give this man credit.
524
00:29:38,068 --> 00:29:40,195
He has done a lot
for the Pentecostal movement.
525
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:42,572
[man] Look, I don't want anybody
to go to hell,
526
00:29:42,656 --> 00:29:44,950
however, the Bible declares,
on Judgment Day,
527
00:29:45,033 --> 00:29:48,161
"He will judge the secrets
of all men's hearts."
528
00:29:48,245 --> 00:29:51,081
[woman] And all men are saved,
whether they believe it or not.
529
00:29:51,164 --> 00:29:53,875
[man] That's just not-- No.
But here's the basis of our unity.
530
00:29:53,959 --> 00:29:58,088
We all become sons and daughters of God
through the shed blood of Jesus.
531
00:29:58,171 --> 00:30:00,173
[woman] Which is what
Bishop Pearson is saying.
532
00:30:00,257 --> 00:30:02,843
He is saying the same thing
that you just said.
533
00:30:02,926 --> 00:30:06,805
[man] I want everybody in heaven, because
that's what the love of God ought to be.
534
00:30:06,888 --> 00:30:10,600
[man 2] I love him,
but he is absolutely wrong.
535
00:30:11,435 --> 00:30:15,105
Because if you are to refute the Bible
that you grew up on...
536
00:30:15,188 --> 00:30:16,648
-You good?
-I'll call you.
537
00:30:16,732 --> 00:30:19,151
...if you are to say now
that the word has fallacy,
538
00:30:19,234 --> 00:30:21,445
then every person who came to Azusa,
539
00:30:21,528 --> 00:30:23,113
you owe a refund.
540
00:30:23,196 --> 00:30:25,490
Every person who bought your CD,
541
00:30:25,574 --> 00:30:29,453
you ought to give them their money back,
because your name has become great--
542
00:30:29,536 --> 00:30:31,204
[Carlton quietly] Let them see...
543
00:30:32,247 --> 00:30:33,373
the purity...
544
00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:38,545
Oh, Lord.
545
00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:41,840
Oh, please, God.
546
00:30:43,258 --> 00:30:44,426
Oh, Lord.
547
00:30:46,261 --> 00:30:48,764
Oh, Lord, help me, please.
548
00:30:50,182 --> 00:30:52,768
If you had been there,
then you would understand the context.
549
00:30:53,143 --> 00:30:54,853
Don? Yes.
550
00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:57,105
Don? Hey, Don--
551
00:30:57,689 --> 00:30:58,982
Just listen to me for one second.
552
00:30:59,066 --> 00:31:01,860
No, he did not stop believing in hell
overnight.
553
00:31:01,943 --> 00:31:03,987
[telephone rings]
554
00:31:04,071 --> 00:31:06,365
Because they're trying to draw in viewers.
555
00:31:06,448 --> 00:31:07,366
[Ron] Henry!
556
00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:09,785
It's Ramsey, from the Christian Press.
557
00:31:11,536 --> 00:31:14,831
Well, okay. How about this?
I invite you to come see for yourself.
558
00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:17,793
Okay, thank you.
559
00:31:22,089 --> 00:31:23,673
[doorbell rings]
560
00:31:32,307 --> 00:31:33,975
-Henry.
-Hey, Gina.
561
00:31:34,476 --> 00:31:35,644
Carlton's not home.
562
00:31:35,727 --> 00:31:39,523
I know. I was actually-- I was hoping
that I might be able to talk to you.
563
00:31:39,606 --> 00:31:40,732
Can I come in?
564
00:31:40,816 --> 00:31:42,401
Yeah. Please.
565
00:31:47,197 --> 00:31:49,658
I honestly don't know
where he's going with this.
566
00:31:52,577 --> 00:31:54,454
I also don't know where he's coming from.
567
00:31:55,705 --> 00:31:57,916
Did something happen
between the two of you?
568
00:31:59,418 --> 00:32:02,504
-Excuse me?
-I'm sorry. I don't mean to pry.
569
00:32:02,587 --> 00:32:04,965
No. No, nothing happened.
570
00:32:06,133 --> 00:32:09,010
Nothing new, anyway.
He doesn't really talk to me, Henry.
571
00:32:09,094 --> 00:32:10,762
I think you know how things are.
572
00:32:12,472 --> 00:32:13,306
I do.
573
00:32:16,726 --> 00:32:19,938
Carlton was married to the church
long before I ever came along.
574
00:32:21,857 --> 00:32:24,151
You know what Oral said to me
when we first met?
575
00:32:24,943 --> 00:32:26,153
He said...
576
00:32:26,236 --> 00:32:29,406
He said, "Get married
and the love will come."
577
00:32:30,574 --> 00:32:31,908
Carlton loves you.
578
00:32:31,992 --> 00:32:34,411
Oh, I know. And I love him.
579
00:32:34,744 --> 00:32:37,497
But this was practically
an arranged marriage.
580
00:32:38,832 --> 00:32:41,501
Single, 40-year-old man,
leading a family church
581
00:32:41,585 --> 00:32:43,837
and all the women
throwing themselves at him.
582
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,048
It's no wonder he chose me.
I'm an outsider.
583
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,220
The balcony practically cleared out
after he got married.
584
00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:54,514
We used to joke that you'd be
the ruin of the church.
585
00:32:54,598 --> 00:32:56,141
I heard those jokes.
586
00:32:59,269 --> 00:33:02,022
I know I'm not the first lady
ya'll were expecting.
587
00:33:10,489 --> 00:33:11,698
[sighs]
588
00:33:11,781 --> 00:33:12,657
Speak to him?
589
00:33:14,034 --> 00:33:15,285
See if you get anywhere.
590
00:33:16,161 --> 00:33:16,995
Please.
591
00:33:22,876 --> 00:33:25,962
-[Reggie] Everybody's nervous.
-[Carlton] You speak to Henry?
592
00:33:26,505 --> 00:33:28,507
[Reggie] Yeah, this morning. Um...
593
00:33:28,590 --> 00:33:32,093
He just wanted to know if we talked
and if anything had changed.
594
00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:35,013
He put out a notice telling everybody
just to, you know,
595
00:33:35,096 --> 00:33:37,474
be patient
and everything will get cleared up.
596
00:33:38,767 --> 00:33:39,809
What about you?
597
00:33:41,061 --> 00:33:43,271
Well, Bishop, I'll stand with you
through whatever.
598
00:33:43,355 --> 00:33:45,815
No, I mean what did you think
about what I said?
599
00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:49,402
Well, I mean, I liked it
when you were saying it.
600
00:33:50,529 --> 00:33:51,446
I mean...
601
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,157
I've always been terrified of hell.
602
00:33:54,991 --> 00:33:58,954
You know, but Henry's saying we could
really lose people if you keep going on--
603
00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:00,664
Henry worries too much.
604
00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:06,503
Bishop, I don't know what I would do
without this church, okay?
605
00:34:06,586 --> 00:34:09,422
-What're you talking about?
-This is all I got.
606
00:34:12,467 --> 00:34:13,677
You're stronger now.
607
00:34:17,681 --> 00:34:19,766
You got your demons, same as me,
same as anybody.
608
00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:21,977
Yeah, but we know
that it ain't really all the same.
609
00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:23,853
You fight it the same way.
610
00:34:25,981 --> 00:34:26,856
[sighs]
611
00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:27,774
You know...
612
00:34:27,857 --> 00:34:31,361
You know how many times my mama tried
to get me delivered back home?
613
00:34:32,571 --> 00:34:34,447
You may never be fully delivered.
614
00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:39,578
But being gay and doing gay
ain't the same thing.
615
00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:43,456
It's how you live that matters.
616
00:34:46,042 --> 00:34:48,003
You stay with God, He'll stay with you.
617
00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:51,798
He'll keep you strong and healthy.
618
00:35:02,017 --> 00:35:03,518
[door opens]
619
00:35:04,603 --> 00:35:05,729
-Hello.
-Two?
620
00:35:05,812 --> 00:35:07,063
-No, we're meeting friends.
-Oh.
621
00:35:07,147 --> 00:35:08,773
-There-- there they are.
-Go ahead.
622
00:35:09,482 --> 00:35:10,692
[Oral] I cut my trip short.
623
00:35:12,068 --> 00:35:13,737
-You didn't have to.
-Yes, I did.
624
00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:15,155
I did have to.
625
00:35:15,864 --> 00:35:18,283
And I'm hoping that you've come
to your senses.
626
00:35:20,744 --> 00:35:22,370
Nothing's changed, Chief.
627
00:35:23,872 --> 00:35:27,125
-If anything, it's clearer to me now.
-Clearer to you?
628
00:35:28,335 --> 00:35:32,130
Would you excuse us, Richard?
Just give us a moment, please?
629
00:35:32,213 --> 00:35:33,673
-You too, son. You mind?
-No.
630
00:35:33,757 --> 00:35:35,634
Thanks so much, I appreciate it.
631
00:35:35,717 --> 00:35:36,676
We won't be long.
632
00:35:37,093 --> 00:35:38,178
[clears throat]
633
00:35:39,804 --> 00:35:42,432
Carlton, what is going on?
634
00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:43,350
[laughs]
635
00:35:44,309 --> 00:35:48,355
You know, I wake up every morning
and I expect to feel like my old self.
636
00:35:49,189 --> 00:35:51,733
To feel the need to go out there
and save people, but I--
637
00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:53,193
I don't.
638
00:35:54,361 --> 00:35:57,405
I-I don't. I feel-- I feel free of that.
639
00:35:57,822 --> 00:36:01,534
First, I thought it was just those people
in Africa, but it's not. It's everybody.
640
00:36:02,285 --> 00:36:05,246
Everybody. His blood covered everybody.
641
00:36:05,330 --> 00:36:07,165
No, that's heresy, son.
642
00:36:10,543 --> 00:36:12,879
-Chief...
-It is heresy, believe me.
643
00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:15,131
Now, listen to me, please.
644
00:36:15,465 --> 00:36:18,218
I watched you build your church
and your ministry,
645
00:36:18,301 --> 00:36:20,178
and nothing filled me with more pride
646
00:36:20,261 --> 00:36:22,597
than to see how quickly
they came to see you.
647
00:36:22,681 --> 00:36:25,183
Blacks and whites together,
that's a very rare thing.
648
00:36:25,266 --> 00:36:27,894
And now, you've got
the television broadcast
649
00:36:27,977 --> 00:36:30,772
with a whole lot more people
listening to you.
650
00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:32,899
So, I need to ask you one question, son.
651
00:36:32,982 --> 00:36:34,359
And think about this.
652
00:36:34,776 --> 00:36:37,612
Are you certain
it was God's voice you heard?
653
00:36:40,281 --> 00:36:41,991
You know how the devil works.
654
00:36:42,367 --> 00:36:45,036
You saw your uncle die, unsaved.
655
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,873
He saw you weak and vulnerable,
and told you what you wanted to hear.
656
00:36:49,916 --> 00:36:53,920
If everyone you love cannot enter
the kingdom through the narrow gate,
657
00:36:54,003 --> 00:36:56,464
he will widen that gate
to accommodate them.
658
00:36:56,548 --> 00:36:59,259
It makes sense
because he makes it make sense.
659
00:36:59,676 --> 00:37:02,804
Satan's a snake. He's a ventriloquist.
660
00:37:02,887 --> 00:37:04,889
And he chose to speak through you.
661
00:37:05,432 --> 00:37:07,809
But if you continue
to lead people down this path,
662
00:37:07,892 --> 00:37:11,813
it's not only your eternal salvation
you're putting at risk, it's theirs, too.
663
00:37:12,355 --> 00:37:14,983
And that's Satan's victory,
so I ask you again, son,
664
00:37:15,734 --> 00:37:19,362
are you certain it was God's voice
you heard and not the devil?
665
00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:25,744
You need to consider everything
you're putting at risk,
666
00:37:25,827 --> 00:37:27,328
and not just for yourself.
667
00:37:29,038 --> 00:37:33,626
We can go and reason things out later,
but first, we need to fix this.
668
00:37:34,377 --> 00:37:37,046
We'll write something together
right here, right now.
669
00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:39,382
And come Sunday,
you'll make all this right.
670
00:37:41,718 --> 00:37:42,594
All right.
671
00:37:43,595 --> 00:37:44,804
Now, lookie here.
672
00:37:45,263 --> 00:37:48,558
I was taking some notes
and I'm going to suggest that you...
673
00:37:49,142 --> 00:37:51,728
consider Romans 10:9.
674
00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:55,190
I know you're familiar with it.
I've heard you preach on it.
675
00:37:55,648 --> 00:37:56,524
All right.
676
00:37:57,525 --> 00:38:02,071
I want you to consider that,
and also consider preparing...
677
00:38:23,051 --> 00:38:24,177
Henry came by.
678
00:38:26,387 --> 00:38:28,515
Why? He knew where I was.
679
00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:31,976
He came to talk to me.
680
00:38:35,355 --> 00:38:37,565
He thinks you're having
a nervous breakdown.
681
00:38:38,191 --> 00:38:39,150
[scoffs]
682
00:38:40,819 --> 00:38:41,861
[exhales]
683
00:38:45,573 --> 00:38:46,908
What did Oral say?
684
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:52,413
He wants me to recant.
685
00:38:53,748 --> 00:38:55,083
Is that what you're gonna do?
686
00:38:58,962 --> 00:39:00,547
Do you believe God spoke to me?
687
00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:07,428
Well, what does it matter what I think
or what anyone thinks?
688
00:39:07,512 --> 00:39:08,596
Matters to me.
689
00:39:09,305 --> 00:39:10,139
Oh?
690
00:39:12,267 --> 00:39:13,268
Since when?
691
00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,357
Henry wants to know about our home,
692
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,068
and if I'll talk some sense into you,
and you're looking at me for,
693
00:39:22,151 --> 00:39:24,279
-I don't know what.
-Why are you angry?
694
00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:26,364
Because you believed it.
695
00:39:26,948 --> 00:39:28,074
You were sure.
696
00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:30,702
It's not that simple.
697
00:39:31,911 --> 00:39:34,372
God spoke to you or he didn't.
698
00:39:34,664 --> 00:39:37,917
And everyone else,
Oral and Henry and the church,
699
00:39:38,001 --> 00:39:40,378
they have nothing to do
with whether it's true or not.
700
00:39:40,461 --> 00:39:42,922
-It's easy for you, Gina.
-How is it easy for me?
701
00:39:43,006 --> 00:39:45,508
Because I'm responsible
for a lot of things and a lot of people,
702
00:39:45,592 --> 00:39:48,428
including you and Julian and Majesty...
703
00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:50,513
You'd just as soon
see the church go up in smoke.
704
00:39:50,597 --> 00:39:52,056
You said it yourself.
705
00:39:52,974 --> 00:39:53,808
Wow.
706
00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:55,810
The lawyer? You wanna go there?
707
00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:58,313
You're really gonna bring
that up right now, Carlton?
708
00:40:00,899 --> 00:40:04,611
The only reason I spoke to him
was so that maybe you would listen.
709
00:40:06,195 --> 00:40:08,406
Maybe you would notice I was in the room.
710
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,453
I had children for you
and for this church.
711
00:40:13,536 --> 00:40:15,955
Carlton, why would I want
to see it go up in smoke?
712
00:40:17,206 --> 00:40:20,043
I thought being with you
meant standing with God.
713
00:40:21,711 --> 00:40:24,547
I thought it meant being a part
of something meaningful.
714
00:40:41,230 --> 00:40:42,106
[sighs]
715
00:40:43,024 --> 00:40:46,903
♪ Well, I wish somebody's soul would ♪
716
00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:48,821
[choir] ♪ Catch on fire ♪
717
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,531
♪ Catch on fire ♪
718
00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:52,784
-[man] ♪ Catch on fire ♪
-♪ Catch on fire ♪
719
00:40:52,867 --> 00:40:55,203
[man] ♪ I wish somebody's soul would ♪
720
00:40:55,286 --> 00:40:56,537
[choir] ♪ Catch on fire ♪
721
00:40:56,621 --> 00:40:59,958
-[man] ♪ Burn ♪
-[choir] ♪ Burn with the Holy Ghost ♪
722
00:41:00,041 --> 00:41:03,252
[man] ♪ Oh, I wish somebody's soul would ♪
723
00:41:03,336 --> 00:41:04,754
[choir] ♪ Catch on fire ♪
724
00:41:04,837 --> 00:41:06,422
-[man] ♪ Catch on ♪
-♪ Catch on fire ♪
725
00:41:06,506 --> 00:41:08,633
-[man] ♪ Catch on fire ♪
-♪ Catch on fire ♪
726
00:41:08,716 --> 00:41:10,969
[man] ♪ I wish somebody's soul would ♪
727
00:41:11,052 --> 00:41:12,929
[choir] ♪ Catch on fire ♪
728
00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:15,848
♪ Burn with the Holy Ghost ♪
729
00:41:26,901 --> 00:41:27,860
Is Oral here?
730
00:41:27,944 --> 00:41:28,903
Not yet.
731
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,700
When he gets here,
show him to the front, would you?
732
00:41:33,783 --> 00:41:34,617
Sure.
733
00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:39,247
[all] ♪ ...is in this place ♪
734
00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:40,623
[man] ♪ Yes, the presence... ♪
735
00:41:40,707 --> 00:41:44,877
-♪ Yes, the presence of the Lord... ♪
-♪ Hallelujah ♪
736
00:41:44,961 --> 00:41:47,255
[man] ♪ Is in this place ♪
737
00:41:47,338 --> 00:41:48,881
Come on, just one last time.
738
00:41:59,225 --> 00:42:01,144
Submit your will unto His will.
739
00:42:01,227 --> 00:42:03,479
[all] ♪ Yes ♪
740
00:42:03,563 --> 00:42:05,565
[man] ♪ Oh, tell Him yes ♪
741
00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:07,942
[all] ♪ Yes ♪
742
00:42:08,026 --> 00:42:10,361
[man] ♪ Oh the presence, the presence ♪
743
00:42:10,445 --> 00:42:13,948
-[all] ♪ The presence of the Lord... ♪
-[man] ♪ Hallelujah ♪
744
00:42:14,032 --> 00:42:18,244
-[man] ♪ Is in this place ♪
-[all] ♪ Is in this place ♪
745
00:42:18,745 --> 00:42:23,416
[all] ♪ Yes, the presence of the Lord... ♪
746
00:42:23,499 --> 00:42:29,005
-[man] ♪ Is in this place ♪
-[all] ♪ Is in this place ♪
747
00:42:29,088 --> 00:42:31,758
♪ Hallelujah, hallelujah ♪
748
00:42:38,097 --> 00:42:39,515
Y'all yet holding on?
749
00:42:40,099 --> 00:42:42,602
-[all] Keep on keeping on.
-Keep on keeping on.
750
00:42:43,102 --> 00:42:44,937
Turn to somebody and say,
"We're still here."
751
00:42:45,021 --> 00:42:46,314
[all] We're still here.
752
00:42:46,397 --> 00:42:48,608
I said look at somebody and say,
"We're still here."
753
00:42:48,691 --> 00:42:50,318
[all] We're still here.
754
00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:53,696
I'm gonna get straight into it, okay?
755
00:42:56,741 --> 00:42:58,367
Now, last Sunday, I...
756
00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:03,289
I told you that God spoke to me and...
757
00:43:04,999 --> 00:43:06,751
he told me that all those people...
758
00:43:07,710 --> 00:43:11,881
out there starving and dying in Africa,
without being saved...
759
00:43:13,883 --> 00:43:15,301
they're all going to heaven.
760
00:43:17,053 --> 00:43:17,929
Now...
761
00:43:18,429 --> 00:43:19,847
that's quite a statement.
762
00:43:20,223 --> 00:43:23,142
And to come up here
and just blurt it out the way I did...
763
00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:27,063
I regret it.
764
00:43:31,067 --> 00:43:32,568
All week, people have been...
765
00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:35,738
talking to me...
766
00:43:37,365 --> 00:43:40,576
and trying to help me understand
what I heard and why.
767
00:43:42,578 --> 00:43:45,289
I'm sure many of you've been having
those same conversations.
768
00:43:46,165 --> 00:43:49,293
You say, "If they're saved,
does that mean everybody's saved?"
769
00:43:51,379 --> 00:43:54,841
And if that's true, if you don't need
to accept Jesus, then...
770
00:43:55,466 --> 00:43:56,968
why come to church at all?
771
00:43:58,636 --> 00:44:03,683
And if the Bible says that only those
that accept Christ can be saved,
772
00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:06,269
then it all points to one thing.
773
00:44:10,481 --> 00:44:14,068
That it wasn't God's voice I heard.
774
00:44:16,904 --> 00:44:17,947
Something else.
775
00:44:28,958 --> 00:44:30,334
Now Romans...
776
00:44:31,627 --> 00:44:33,588
Romans 10:9 says...
777
00:44:33,671 --> 00:44:34,547
[clears throat]
778
00:44:37,592 --> 00:44:39,343
I've been-- [laughs]
779
00:44:40,136 --> 00:44:43,347
I've been reading and praying all week,
trying to understandit.
780
00:44:45,016 --> 00:44:47,435
Romans 10:9 says, um...
781
00:44:58,738 --> 00:44:59,572
Henry?
782
00:45:03,326 --> 00:45:05,703
Henry, could you come up here
and read something for me?
783
00:45:06,204 --> 00:45:07,205
If you don't mind.
784
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,040
Of course.
785
00:45:10,499 --> 00:45:11,500
[clears throat]
786
00:45:12,460 --> 00:45:15,546
It's, um...
It's from First John, Chapter Two.
787
00:45:19,175 --> 00:45:20,927
It's there. "My dear children."
788
00:45:21,886 --> 00:45:22,803
[clears throat]
789
00:45:25,348 --> 00:45:28,476
"My dear children, I write this
so that you will not sin."
790
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:31,479
"My dear children, I write this
so that you will not sin."
791
00:45:31,562 --> 00:45:33,231
"But if anyone does sin,
792
00:45:33,314 --> 00:45:35,900
we have one who speaks to the Father
in our defense."
793
00:45:35,983 --> 00:45:37,360
"But if anybody does sin,
794
00:45:37,902 --> 00:45:41,489
then we have one who speaks to the Father
in our defense."
795
00:45:41,572 --> 00:45:44,450
"His name is Jesus Christ,
the righteous one."
796
00:45:45,368 --> 00:45:48,704
"His name is Jesus Christ,
the righteous one," go on.
797
00:45:53,793 --> 00:45:56,545
"And He is the atoning sacrifice
for our sins.
798
00:45:58,506 --> 00:46:00,049
But not only for ours..."
799
00:46:01,968 --> 00:46:03,552
"Not only for ours...
800
00:46:05,805 --> 00:46:07,848
but for the sins of the whole world."
801
00:46:11,018 --> 00:46:13,271
It means Jesus died for everybody.
802
00:46:14,522 --> 00:46:16,107
That's the literal meaning.
803
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:17,984
Everyone's included in the redemption.
804
00:46:18,776 --> 00:46:20,695
Even people that never accepted Christ,
805
00:46:20,778 --> 00:46:23,322
never heard the word of God,
never set foot in a church.
806
00:46:23,406 --> 00:46:25,324
All those people in Africa
and everybody else.
807
00:46:25,408 --> 00:46:27,410
Everyone's already saved.
808
00:46:28,035 --> 00:46:29,036
And that...
809
00:46:30,705 --> 00:46:32,790
is the finished work of the cross.
810
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:36,669
-That is not right.
-John.
811
00:46:36,752 --> 00:46:38,671
I'm gonna answer your questions.
812
00:46:38,754 --> 00:46:40,840
No. No, no, you can't
just rewrite the Bible.
813
00:46:40,923 --> 00:46:43,384
I'm not rewriting anything,
I'm just rereading it, John.
814
00:46:43,467 --> 00:46:45,636
No, you speak the word of God
in this church!
815
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:47,638
Sit down! Let him finish.
816
00:46:47,722 --> 00:46:49,974
No. You are a messenger, Bishop.
817
00:46:50,057 --> 00:46:52,143
-Sit down.
-[Carlton] Okay, settle down.
818
00:46:52,226 --> 00:46:55,021
-John, Ben, sit down, please.
-No, I've had enough of this.
819
00:46:55,104 --> 00:46:57,231
Come on, let's go. You know...
820
00:46:58,190 --> 00:47:00,860
-we built this church.
-[Carlton] Okay.
821
00:47:00,943 --> 00:47:01,902
We did!
822
00:47:02,987 --> 00:47:04,113
You remember that.
823
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:07,783
[Carlton] No, it's okay.
Just let 'em leave.
824
00:47:07,867 --> 00:47:09,035
Let 'em leave.
825
00:47:17,376 --> 00:47:19,420
Look, Jesus said
study the scriptures diligently
826
00:47:19,503 --> 00:47:21,922
-because they "testify about me."
-[woman] Amen.
827
00:47:22,506 --> 00:47:24,550
Now, if we do--
if we do study them diligently,
828
00:47:24,633 --> 00:47:27,053
then we have to understand
there are contradictions.
829
00:47:27,136 --> 00:47:29,930
For all the Bible says, that the only
way to heaven is to accept Christ,
830
00:47:30,014 --> 00:47:32,308
there's just as much
that says we don't need to.
831
00:47:32,683 --> 00:47:36,145
Now, I just read First John,
but it's... it's...
832
00:47:36,771 --> 00:47:39,815
it's in Corinthians.
It's in-- it's in Timothy.
833
00:47:40,149 --> 00:47:42,526
Peter. Here's Timothy 4:9.
834
00:47:43,402 --> 00:47:44,820
Timothy 4:9.
835
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,993
"God is the savior of all mankind,
especially those who believe."
836
00:47:51,077 --> 00:47:52,244
And he goes on.
837
00:47:52,661 --> 00:47:53,746
And, uh...
838
00:47:54,330 --> 00:47:56,207
And there's Paul in Corinthians.
839
00:47:56,832 --> 00:47:59,126
-Thank you.
-I just reread this last night.
840
00:47:59,210 --> 00:48:03,672
"As in Adam all men die, so in Christ
all men shall be made alive."
841
00:48:03,756 --> 00:48:04,799
"All men"!
842
00:48:05,257 --> 00:48:06,342
I can't stay here.
843
00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:16,227
This is the same Bible we've been...
we've been reading all our lives.
844
00:48:19,063 --> 00:48:21,232
So, he's saying... I don't understand.
845
00:48:21,315 --> 00:48:22,400
Minnie, I...
846
00:48:23,275 --> 00:48:24,777
Minnie, I know it's hard.
847
00:48:25,069 --> 00:48:26,821
I know it's hard, but...
848
00:48:27,822 --> 00:48:30,741
but you know me well enough to know
I'd listen to you or anybody else here.
849
00:48:30,825 --> 00:48:33,744
I'm just asking you to do the same
for me now, please.
850
00:48:35,329 --> 00:48:38,707
People have been saying that I--
I stopped believing in hell.
851
00:48:39,917 --> 00:48:43,671
And I've been thinking about that
and I've been-- I've been praying on it.
852
00:48:44,463 --> 00:48:45,965
The God that we worship...
853
00:48:47,716 --> 00:48:50,761
from the parts of this Bible
that we focus on...
854
00:48:53,013 --> 00:48:54,473
that God is a monster.
855
00:48:55,057 --> 00:48:56,767
[crowd murmurs]
856
00:48:56,851 --> 00:49:00,438
If we're really saying that God sends
billions of people to burn in hell
857
00:49:00,521 --> 00:49:03,232
for eternity for missing the mark
or missing the point,
858
00:49:03,315 --> 00:49:06,152
or being born someplace else,
well, that God is a monster.
859
00:49:06,235 --> 00:49:09,572
That God is worse than Hitler.
That God is worse than Saddam Hussein.
860
00:49:09,655 --> 00:49:11,866
But that's-- that's not our God.
861
00:49:12,366 --> 00:49:14,994
That's not the God that we worship.
862
00:49:15,578 --> 00:49:18,247
No, that God loves us all!
863
00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:27,214
♪ Hold to His hand ♪
864
00:49:27,298 --> 00:49:29,091
[organ plays]
865
00:49:29,175 --> 00:49:32,303
♪ God's unchanging hand ♪
866
00:49:34,138 --> 00:49:37,975
[choir] ♪ Hold to His hand ♪
867
00:49:39,059 --> 00:49:43,355
♪ God's unchanging hand ♪
868
00:49:43,939 --> 00:49:46,984
♪ Build your hopes ♪
869
00:49:47,067 --> 00:49:52,364
♪ On things eternal ♪
870
00:49:52,448 --> 00:49:55,659
♪ Hold ♪
871
00:49:55,743 --> 00:50:00,539
♪ To God's unchanging hand ♪
872
00:50:01,582 --> 00:50:03,542
♪ Everybody hold on ♪
873
00:50:03,918 --> 00:50:06,420
Excuse me. I'm just trying
to get through. Thanks.
874
00:50:09,632 --> 00:50:10,591
Quite a show.
875
00:50:11,592 --> 00:50:12,426
I'm sorry.
876
00:50:14,637 --> 00:50:16,388
I'm out there vouching for you.
877
00:50:16,472 --> 00:50:17,765
I'm making promises all week,
878
00:50:17,848 --> 00:50:20,017
and you march me out there
like I'm some kind of puppet.
879
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:21,268
I can't just ignore it.
880
00:50:22,186 --> 00:50:24,146
You want proof
it wasn't God's voice you heard?
881
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:27,024
Half our congregation walking out,
that was it.
882
00:50:28,984 --> 00:50:30,402
What more proof do you need?
883
00:50:35,241 --> 00:50:36,200
[door closes]
884
00:50:40,454 --> 00:50:44,833
[Pat] Exactly what is your relationship
now with Carlton Pearson?
885
00:50:46,544 --> 00:50:47,795
I'm sorry, um...
886
00:50:48,796 --> 00:50:51,090
When you've known someone
as longas I've known...
887
00:50:51,215 --> 00:50:53,217
Bishop Pearson, it can be very difficult.
888
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:58,222
[Pat] Oh, well, Richard, I mean,
you two grew up together, in essence.
889
00:50:58,305 --> 00:51:01,267
And your dad took him in
and raised him at ORU.
890
00:51:01,350 --> 00:51:02,476
That's right.
891
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,938
I always thought of him as a younger
sibling I had to look out for.
892
00:51:06,021 --> 00:51:09,733
[Pat] And now you think this is
the work of dark forces.
893
00:51:09,817 --> 00:51:11,068
Dark angels.
894
00:51:11,151 --> 00:51:13,362
[Richard] Oh, I believe the devil
has gotten to him, yes.
895
00:51:13,445 --> 00:51:15,531
-And he's being controlled.
-To lead others astray?
896
00:51:15,614 --> 00:51:16,782
[Richard] That's right.
897
00:51:17,283 --> 00:51:21,036
He's a powerful and trusted voice.
This is a dangerous situation.
898
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,788
[Pat] And what does Dad say?
899
00:51:22,871 --> 00:51:25,457
-I imagine you talk about it.
-[Richard] Of course.
900
00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:27,793
He's heartbroken.
901
00:51:29,837 --> 00:51:30,963
He's lost a son.
902
00:51:32,881 --> 00:51:35,259
Can't believe he would go
after you like that.
903
00:51:35,342 --> 00:51:36,802
[Pat] ...not with God's help.
904
00:51:37,094 --> 00:51:38,470
We can all be healed...
905
00:51:38,554 --> 00:51:42,057
-He's waited 25 years for the chance.
-...you never lose anyone completely,
906
00:51:42,141 --> 00:51:43,100
you know that.
907
00:51:43,976 --> 00:51:45,811
Just like he's got you, Richard.
908
00:52:13,088 --> 00:52:14,214
[door closes]
909
00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:31,899
-Hey.
-How you doing?
910
00:52:31,982 --> 00:52:34,318
Nice to see you. Hey, Henry.
911
00:52:34,735 --> 00:52:35,778
[Gina] Hi, how are you?
912
00:52:36,236 --> 00:52:37,321
Please, come in.
913
00:52:38,572 --> 00:52:39,657
-Hello, Gina.
-Henry.
914
00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:43,160
We got some-- we got some coffee on,
if anybody wants some, and...
915
00:52:43,243 --> 00:52:44,286
want anything to eat?
916
00:52:44,912 --> 00:52:46,121
I think everyone's okay.
917
00:52:46,997 --> 00:52:47,873
[Carlton] Okay.
918
00:52:47,956 --> 00:52:51,460
Look, before you say anything, I want you
to know I should have done things...
919
00:52:51,543 --> 00:52:53,921
I should've done things differently. Okay?
920
00:52:54,004 --> 00:52:57,675
I should've talked about it with you.
I should've shared it.
921
00:52:58,801 --> 00:53:01,470
-Carlton.
-No, I should've done things differently,
922
00:53:01,553 --> 00:53:03,931
so if there's anything
you need me to change...
923
00:53:04,556 --> 00:53:05,391
anything.
924
00:53:05,474 --> 00:53:06,767
Let's work it out.
925
00:53:07,643 --> 00:53:09,478
We're leaving Higher Dimensions.
926
00:53:11,230 --> 00:53:12,815
We prayed on it, and...
927
00:53:13,691 --> 00:53:16,026
-we're going to start our own church.
-Henry.
928
00:53:17,236 --> 00:53:19,988
-You can't just leave.
-No, they're not leaving.
929
00:53:20,072 --> 00:53:21,323
We'll talk it through.
930
00:53:21,782 --> 00:53:22,616
It's...
931
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:25,077
-It's too late for that.
-It's not too late.
932
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,663
I just need time to understand it.
933
00:53:28,205 --> 00:53:29,039
Okay?
934
00:53:29,123 --> 00:53:31,208
-Just to formalize it.
-Time to sink the whole ship?
935
00:53:31,291 --> 00:53:34,503
-It wasn't God's voice you heard, Bishop.
-[Gina] Now, how do you know?
936
00:53:34,586 --> 00:53:35,671
-How do you...
-Gina...
937
00:53:35,754 --> 00:53:37,923
-Come in here, ganging up on him.
-What if he's wrong?
938
00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:39,967
You don't know.
939
00:53:41,301 --> 00:53:43,011
None of us-- none of us knows.
940
00:53:45,139 --> 00:53:47,766
But you want me to just trust you
and go out and tell people
941
00:53:47,850 --> 00:53:50,269
it doesn't matter if they accept Christ.
942
00:53:50,352 --> 00:53:52,187
It doesn't matter
if they go out there and sin.
943
00:53:52,604 --> 00:53:56,108
Well, what if it turns out
that you are wrong and there is a hell?
944
00:53:57,568 --> 00:53:58,861
And we are responsible.
945
00:53:59,695 --> 00:54:02,322
Even if I thought
you might be right, which I don't,
946
00:54:02,740 --> 00:54:04,700
it's not a chance
that I'd be willing to take.
947
00:54:07,619 --> 00:54:10,998
You went ahead with this
without any thought about me,
948
00:54:11,081 --> 00:54:13,250
or us, or anyone else.
949
00:54:13,333 --> 00:54:16,295
That's all I've been thinking about
night and day. Don't leave.
950
00:54:16,378 --> 00:54:17,880
It's not us that's leaving.
951
00:54:19,214 --> 00:54:20,257
It's you.
952
00:54:20,674 --> 00:54:22,342
You turned your back on us.
953
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,304
For 20 years, I put your needs
ahead of my needs.
954
00:54:25,387 --> 00:54:27,681
And I put Gina's ahead of Maggie's.
955
00:54:27,765 --> 00:54:29,433
And I put your kids ahead of my kids.
956
00:54:29,516 --> 00:54:30,601
I gave you 20 years,
957
00:54:30,684 --> 00:54:34,021
so just remember that it is not me
that is turning my back on you,
958
00:54:34,104 --> 00:54:35,397
it's the other way around.
959
00:54:35,481 --> 00:54:39,276
And I think that you should take a long,
hard look, and ask yourself why God...
960
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:41,236
why God would want that.
961
00:54:42,946 --> 00:54:43,781
[Henry exhales]
962
00:54:43,864 --> 00:54:46,283
The hardest part about this whole thing
is that you had it.
963
00:54:46,366 --> 00:54:49,077
-You had fellowship with God.
-My fellowship with God--
964
00:54:49,161 --> 00:54:50,412
And it was pure.
965
00:54:50,496 --> 00:54:53,332
-It was true, and you are rejecting--
-I'm closer to God in this moment
966
00:54:53,415 --> 00:54:54,833
than I've ever been in my life.
967
00:54:54,917 --> 00:54:57,336
I love you more than anything
and you know that,
968
00:54:57,419 --> 00:55:00,297
but there is nothing that I can say
right now that you will hear.
969
00:55:03,258 --> 00:55:05,469
You're gonna spend eternity
separated from Him.
970
00:55:06,553 --> 00:55:08,263
I don't know what to do with that.
971
00:55:15,646 --> 00:55:19,233
-No, no, no, no. Okay, no. Okay.
-Please don't make this harder.
972
00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:21,401
Come on, Henry. This is us.
973
00:55:23,779 --> 00:55:24,780
This is us.
974
00:55:27,282 --> 00:55:28,534
Remember in Jackson?
975
00:55:30,118 --> 00:55:32,579
When they told us we'd never get
white people up there?
976
00:55:33,497 --> 00:55:34,331
Hm?
977
00:55:35,207 --> 00:55:37,084
Or Higher D, that we'd never fill it?
978
00:55:38,001 --> 00:55:39,586
God put us together.
979
00:55:40,504 --> 00:55:43,465
And we built something
that never existed before.
980
00:55:45,175 --> 00:55:48,053
We got white folk
and black folk praying together.
981
00:55:48,512 --> 00:55:49,596
In Tulsa.
982
00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:53,141
Aren't you proud of that?
983
00:55:58,772 --> 00:56:01,024
It got away from me, that's all.
984
00:56:02,276 --> 00:56:03,277
[exhales]
985
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:04,987
I just...
986
00:56:07,322 --> 00:56:08,532
I lost control of it.
987
00:56:11,285 --> 00:56:12,411
I'll roll it back.
988
00:56:19,042 --> 00:56:21,128
-You'll pull it back?
-I'll pull it back.
989
00:56:24,464 --> 00:56:26,091
You'll recant what you said?
990
00:56:34,016 --> 00:56:35,809
God spoke to me, Henry.
991
00:56:39,062 --> 00:56:40,314
[exhales]
992
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,403
Just stay.
993
00:56:53,493 --> 00:56:54,411
I can't.
994
00:57:00,417 --> 00:57:01,710
[sighs]
995
00:57:03,462 --> 00:57:07,174
Look, I wanted to find a place as far away
from Higher D as I could,
996
00:57:07,257 --> 00:57:10,719
and it turns out the only spot
that's available is on Memorial Drive.
997
00:57:11,511 --> 00:57:13,639
At 51st. It's not what I wanted.
998
00:57:16,725 --> 00:57:18,560
-I'm sorry.
-It's okay.
999
00:57:22,272 --> 00:57:23,106
It's okay.
1000
00:57:34,618 --> 00:57:35,953
[sighs]
1001
00:57:39,790 --> 00:57:40,749
Let's go.
1002
00:57:43,001 --> 00:57:44,169
[sniffles]
1003
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,306
You can always change your mind.
1004
00:58:01,269 --> 00:58:02,187
You too.
1005
00:58:07,067 --> 00:58:08,151
[door closes]
1006
00:58:22,833 --> 00:58:24,668
[organ plays]
1007
00:58:26,795 --> 00:58:28,547
♪ I know the Lord ♪
1008
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:30,007
[all] ♪ I know the Lord ♪
1009
00:58:30,090 --> 00:58:32,175
♪ Will make a way ♪
1010
00:58:32,259 --> 00:58:33,593
[all] ♪ Will make a way ♪
1011
00:58:33,677 --> 00:58:35,595
♪ Oh, yes, He will ♪
1012
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:37,389
-[all] ♪ Oh, yes ♪
-♪ I know He will ♪
1013
00:58:37,848 --> 00:58:39,141
♪ I believe He will ♪
1014
00:58:39,641 --> 00:58:41,351
♪ Oh, yes ♪
1015
00:58:41,435 --> 00:58:43,937
-♪ He will ♪
-[all] ♪ Yes, He will ♪
1016
00:58:44,229 --> 00:58:45,564
♪ Yes, He will ♪
1017
00:58:46,064 --> 00:58:48,483
-♪ Yes, He will ♪
-[Carlton] ♪ Hmm, yes ♪
1018
00:58:48,567 --> 00:58:50,944
-♪ He will ♪
-[all] ♪ Yes, He will ♪
1019
00:58:51,570 --> 00:58:53,280
♪ Yes, He will ♪
1020
00:58:53,363 --> 00:58:54,531
♪ Yes, He will ♪
1021
00:58:54,614 --> 00:58:58,118
-[Carlton] ♪ Mmm, Yes, He will ♪
-♪ Yes, He will ♪
1022
00:58:58,201 --> 00:59:00,120
-♪ Oh, yes, He will ♪
-♪ Yes, He will ♪
1023
00:59:00,203 --> 00:59:01,955
-♪ I tried Him for myself ♪
-♪ Yes, He will ♪
1024
00:59:02,039 --> 00:59:04,291
♪ Oh, yes, He will ♪
1025
00:59:04,374 --> 00:59:06,668
-♪ Yes, He will ♪
-♪ Oh, yes, sir ♪
1026
00:59:06,752 --> 00:59:07,878