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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,606 --> 00:00:10,075 TODAY, I'M FEELING NERVES, AND I HAVE FOR A WEEK OR TWO. 2 00:00:10,111 --> 00:00:13,846 IT'S JUST A VERY HARD THING FOR ME TO THINK ABOUT. 3 00:00:13,881 --> 00:00:16,615 THOSE ARE THINGS YOU DON'T LIKE TO EVEN REMEMBER. 4 00:00:18,018 --> 00:00:19,685 IT WAS WICKED, REALLY. 5 00:00:30,698 --> 00:00:33,565 IT'S BEEN OVER 40 YEARS 6 00:00:33,601 --> 00:00:35,667 SINCE WE WENT THROUGH THIS EPISODE, 7 00:00:35,703 --> 00:00:40,272 BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS YOU JUST DON'T FORGET. 8 00:00:40,307 --> 00:00:42,808 IT WAS A PAINFUL, IT WAS A DESTRUCTIVE, 9 00:00:42,843 --> 00:00:44,977 IT WAS AN EVIL EXPERIENCE. 10 00:00:45,012 --> 00:00:46,111 IT'S AS IF SOMEBODY CAME DOWN 11 00:00:46,147 --> 00:00:47,646 AND PICKED HER OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. 12 00:00:47,681 --> 00:00:50,349 SHE JUST DISAPPEARED. 13 00:00:54,488 --> 00:00:58,223 IT'S JUST LIKE YOU'RE BEING RIPPED APART, REALLY. 14 00:00:58,259 --> 00:01:01,093 I- I COULDN'T BELIEVE THIS WAS HAPPENING TO US. 15 00:01:03,397 --> 00:01:07,399 A BODY COULD BE JUST COVERED WITH SNOW. 16 00:01:07,435 --> 00:01:11,236 WE HAD NO IDEA WHERE SHE WAS -- ALIVE OR DEAD. 17 00:01:26,287 --> 00:01:30,355 I SEE HER BLOND HAIR FIRST, YOU KNOW, DOWN A WAYS, 18 00:01:30,391 --> 00:01:34,159 AND HER SMILE. 19 00:01:34,195 --> 00:01:36,995 PEOPLE WANTED TO BE WITH LINDA. 20 00:01:37,031 --> 00:01:39,331 SHE WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT SCHOOL. 21 00:01:39,366 --> 00:01:41,033 IT WAS NICE TO SEE. 22 00:01:46,207 --> 00:01:50,642 I DROVE HER TO HER FIRST ROOM AT COLLEGE. 23 00:02:01,589 --> 00:02:03,322 MOM, ARE YOU OKAY? 24 00:02:05,226 --> 00:02:06,925 I DON'T KNOW. 25 00:02:06,961 --> 00:02:08,827 I GUESS... 26 00:02:08,863 --> 00:02:09,895 UNPACKING ALL THESE THINGS 27 00:02:09,930 --> 00:02:11,897 JUST BRINGS BACK A LOT OF MEMORIES. 28 00:02:11,932 --> 00:02:14,600 I HAD TEARS IN MY EYES. 29 00:02:16,637 --> 00:02:18,070 LOOK! 30 00:02:18,105 --> 00:02:20,506 IT'S MR. WHISKERS. 31 00:02:21,408 --> 00:02:23,642 I'VE HAD THIS SINCE FOREVER. 32 00:02:25,613 --> 00:02:29,815 I WAS ONE WHO ALWAYS SAID, "LET YOUR CHILDREN GO." 33 00:02:29,850 --> 00:02:32,918 AND I WAS GLAD SHE COULD. 34 00:02:34,989 --> 00:02:36,922 MOM, STOP. 35 00:02:36,957 --> 00:02:39,157 I'M GONNA BE HOME FOR THANKSGIVING... 36 00:02:39,193 --> 00:02:41,193 AND CHRISTMAS. 37 00:02:41,228 --> 00:02:43,395 I KNOW. I KNOW. 38 00:02:43,430 --> 00:02:47,266 BESIDES, I WILL HAVE MR. WHISKERS TO PROTECT ME. 39 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:01,980 SMELLS SO GOOD. THANK YOU, REVEREND. 40 00:03:02,016 --> 00:03:04,149 PLEASE, CALL ME HOWARD. 41 00:03:04,184 --> 00:03:06,385 AND YOU CAN THANK CAROL. 42 00:03:06,420 --> 00:03:08,320 SHE'S THE QUEEN OF THE CASSEROLE. 43 00:03:08,355 --> 00:03:09,688 WE WERE HAVING DINNER IN OUR HOME 44 00:03:09,723 --> 00:03:10,956 WITH SOME VERY CLOSE FRIENDS. 45 00:03:10,991 --> 00:03:11,990 BETTER TASTE IT 46 00:03:12,026 --> 00:03:13,158 BEFORE WE START HANDING OUT 47 00:03:13,193 --> 00:03:14,493 THE ROYAL TITLES. 48 00:03:14,528 --> 00:03:15,761 I REMEMBER GETTING THE PHONE CALL. 49 00:03:17,264 --> 00:03:18,630 GEE. 50 00:03:18,666 --> 00:03:20,299 I BETTER GRAB THAT. 51 00:03:22,970 --> 00:03:25,771 HELLO. HOWARD VELZY. 52 00:03:25,806 --> 00:03:29,007 WE WERE NOTIFIED BY CAMPUS SECURITY 53 00:03:29,043 --> 00:03:31,510 THAT LINDA WAS MISSING. 54 00:03:33,047 --> 00:03:34,613 SHE HAD BEEN ON A STUDY DATE 55 00:03:34,648 --> 00:03:37,316 WITH HER BOYFRIEND IN THE AFTERNOON, 56 00:03:37,351 --> 00:03:42,821 AND SHE HAD EXCUSED HERSELF TO GO DOWN TO TOWN 57 00:03:42,856 --> 00:03:44,623 TO BUY A CHRISTMAS PRESENT FOR HER MOTHER, 58 00:03:44,658 --> 00:03:46,959 AND SHE DIDN'T RETURN TO CAMPUS. 59 00:03:46,994 --> 00:03:49,995 AND HER ROOMMATE REPORTED HER MISSING. 60 00:03:50,030 --> 00:03:51,096 THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 61 00:03:51,131 --> 00:03:54,433 IT'S NOT LIKE LINDA TO JUST LEAVE. 62 00:03:54,468 --> 00:03:59,171 THE FEELINGS I HAD -- PROBABLY THE FIRST WAS DENIAL. 63 00:03:59,206 --> 00:04:02,274 "YOU HAVEN'T GOT THE FACTS STRAIGHT. 64 00:04:02,309 --> 00:04:03,909 THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING. 65 00:04:03,944 --> 00:04:05,143 YOU'VE GOT THE WRONG GIRL" 66 00:04:05,179 --> 00:04:08,547 OR "YOU'VE GOT THE WRONG INFORMATION" OR WHATEVER. 67 00:04:11,585 --> 00:04:13,986 WHEN THEY INFORMED ME THAT SHE HAD BEEN MISSING 68 00:04:14,021 --> 00:04:16,688 SINCE FRIDAY NIGHT -- AND THIS WAS SATURDAY NIGHT -- 69 00:04:16,724 --> 00:04:19,558 LIKE, "WHAT ARE YOU CALLING ME NOW FOR?" 70 00:04:19,593 --> 00:04:21,526 THAT WAS LIKE 24 HOURS AGO. 71 00:04:21,562 --> 00:04:23,595 WHY WOULD YOU WAIT SO LONG TO LET US KNOW? 72 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:26,765 NO, SOMETHING'S WRONG. 73 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:27,966 SHE -- SHE -- 74 00:04:28,002 --> 00:04:29,568 IF SHE WAS GOING SOMEWHERE, SHE WOULD TELL SOMEONE. 75 00:04:29,603 --> 00:04:32,571 THE UNIVERSITY'S POLICY WAS TO WAIT 24 HOURS 76 00:04:32,606 --> 00:04:34,806 IF SOMEBODY WAS REPORTED MISSING, 77 00:04:34,842 --> 00:04:38,443 SO THEY DIDN'T CALL US UNTIL SATURDAY NIGHT. 78 00:04:38,479 --> 00:04:39,811 HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO REACT? 79 00:04:39,847 --> 00:04:42,447 WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO ABOUT THIS? 80 00:04:42,483 --> 00:04:45,217 AND THEN, HOW DO I EXPLAIN THIS TO CAROL? 81 00:04:45,252 --> 00:04:48,120 I GOT TO TELL HER SOMETHING. WHAT DO I TELL HER? 82 00:05:01,935 --> 00:05:03,235 LINDA TALKED TO PEOPLE. 83 00:05:03,270 --> 00:05:07,139 SHE -- SHE WASN'T, LIKE, SECRETIVE OR, YOU KNOW, 84 00:05:07,174 --> 00:05:08,807 DOING THINGS ON THE SLY. 85 00:05:08,842 --> 00:05:12,878 I JUST KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG. 86 00:05:12,913 --> 00:05:14,246 YEAH, WE -- WE -- 87 00:05:14,281 --> 00:05:15,647 THAT'S THE WAY IT HIT ME, TOO, IS, 88 00:05:15,683 --> 00:05:17,949 THIS WAS VERY UNCHARACTERISTIC OF HER. 89 00:05:17,985 --> 00:05:19,985 YOU KNOW, THAT MADE NO SENSE AT ALL. 90 00:05:27,227 --> 00:05:28,927 I CRIED ALL NIGHT. 91 00:05:28,962 --> 00:05:30,262 I HAD A SENSE THEN, 92 00:05:30,297 --> 00:05:33,031 EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK I'VE EVEN SAID IT TO ANYBODY, 93 00:05:33,067 --> 00:05:35,167 THAT THIS WAS NOT GOOD. 94 00:05:35,202 --> 00:05:37,069 THIS WAS REALLY NOT GOOD. 95 00:05:40,407 --> 00:05:41,773 SOMETHING'S WRONG. 96 00:05:41,809 --> 00:05:45,243 WE'VE GOT TO GET UP THERE AND START ASKING QUESTIONS. 97 00:05:56,857 --> 00:05:58,457 THE NEXT MORNING, 98 00:05:58,492 --> 00:06:03,495 HOWARD AND CAROL DRIVE 200 MILES NORTH TO ONEONTA. 99 00:06:03,530 --> 00:06:05,163 LISTEN. WE'RE GONNA FIND HER. 100 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:06,798 OKAY? LET'S TRY NOT TO PANIC. 101 00:06:06,834 --> 00:06:07,966 I- I-I KNOW. 102 00:06:08,001 --> 00:06:10,435 I- I JUST WISH I WAS PAYING MORE ATTENTION. 103 00:06:10,471 --> 00:06:12,604 I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE COULD HAVE GONE. 104 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:15,107 FOR HER BOYFRIEND NOT TO KNOW WHERE SHE WAS 105 00:06:15,142 --> 00:06:16,541 MADE NO SENSE AT ALL. 106 00:06:16,577 --> 00:06:18,176 HAVE YOU TALKED TO HER FRIENDS? 107 00:06:18,212 --> 00:06:21,012 YES, MRS. VELZY -- ALL THE ONES I KNOW, AT LEAST. 108 00:06:21,048 --> 00:06:22,681 HOW ABOUT HER ROOMMATE? 109 00:06:22,716 --> 00:06:24,483 WHEN DID SHE GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU? 110 00:06:24,518 --> 00:06:26,384 UM, SHE GOT IN TOUCH -- 111 00:06:26,420 --> 00:06:28,553 UM, I-I DON'T REMEMBER, HONESTLY. 112 00:06:28,589 --> 00:06:31,056 UM, SOON AFTER... 113 00:06:34,528 --> 00:06:38,497 IT WAS A FEELING OF ABSOLUTE DISTRESS. 114 00:06:38,532 --> 00:06:40,766 I- I CAN'T DESCRIBE IT. 115 00:06:49,443 --> 00:06:51,710 EVERYBODY AGREED THAT SHE WOULD HAVE TOLD SOMEONE 116 00:06:51,745 --> 00:06:54,412 IF SHE WERE GOING AWAY. 117 00:06:54,448 --> 00:06:55,714 HOWARD. 118 00:06:58,952 --> 00:07:00,218 HER CONTACTS. 119 00:07:00,254 --> 00:07:03,722 WE FOUND OUT THAT SHE'D LEFT HER CONTACT LENSES THERE. 120 00:07:03,757 --> 00:07:07,392 AND IT JUST WASN'T LIKE LINDA TO LEAVE THINGS. 121 00:07:07,427 --> 00:07:09,728 IT JUST SEEMED SINISTER TO ME. 122 00:07:09,763 --> 00:07:11,496 AND IT -- 123 00:07:11,532 --> 00:07:13,799 I DIDN'T LOSE THAT FEELING. 124 00:07:16,303 --> 00:07:20,005 WE SHOULD TELL THE STATE TROOPERS ABOUT THAT. 125 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,273 YOU SHOULD COME WITH US. 126 00:07:21,308 --> 00:07:22,774 THE -- THE TROOPERS? 127 00:07:22,810 --> 00:07:24,042 YEAH. 128 00:07:24,077 --> 00:07:25,710 THEY -- THEY ALREADY CAME. 129 00:07:25,746 --> 00:07:26,812 THEY ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS 130 00:07:26,847 --> 00:07:28,380 SINCE I WAS THE LAST TO SEE HER ON CAMPUS. 131 00:07:28,415 --> 00:07:30,182 HE WAS CONSIDERED A SUSPECT 132 00:07:30,217 --> 00:07:32,350 BECAUSE HE WAS THE LAST PERSON TO SEE HER. 133 00:07:32,386 --> 00:07:33,585 BUT HE SAID, YOU KNOW, 134 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:36,788 "I LIKED HER. WHY WOULD I DO ANYTHING? 135 00:07:36,824 --> 00:07:38,890 I MEAN, WE WERE GETTING ALONG FINE." 136 00:07:38,926 --> 00:07:40,091 EARLY IN THE INVESTIGATION, 137 00:07:40,127 --> 00:07:42,360 WE HAD TO INTERVIEW HER BOYFRIEND 138 00:07:42,396 --> 00:07:44,696 BECAUSE HE WAS GONNA MEET HER THAT EVENING, 139 00:07:44,731 --> 00:07:47,399 AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES. 140 00:07:47,434 --> 00:07:50,068 EVERY LEAD YOU GET, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. 141 00:07:56,577 --> 00:07:59,477 "MISSING PERSON -- LINDA VELZY, 5'5", 142 00:07:59,513 --> 00:08:02,180 LONG BLOND HAIR, BLUE EYES, 18 YEARS OF AGE, 143 00:08:02,216 --> 00:08:04,883 LAST SEEN WEARING A BLACK COAT WITH A HOOD, BLUE JEANS, 144 00:08:04,918 --> 00:08:08,620 STRING BRACELET WITH LIGHT BLUE BEADS ON RIGHT WRIST." 145 00:08:08,655 --> 00:08:12,257 SHE HAD LEFT THE AFTERNOON OF THE 9th 146 00:08:12,292 --> 00:08:13,825 TO GO DOWNTOWN TO ONEONTA 147 00:08:13,861 --> 00:08:17,762 TO BUY A CHRISTMAS PRESENT FOR HER MOTHER. 148 00:08:17,798 --> 00:08:21,066 AND THEN SHE WAS GONNA GO OVER TO CHESTNUT STREET 149 00:08:21,101 --> 00:08:22,500 TO LOOK AT A ROOM 150 00:08:22,536 --> 00:08:25,971 THAT SHE WAS THINKING ABOUT RENTING FOR THE NEXT SEMESTER. 151 00:08:26,006 --> 00:08:28,273 WHEN LINDA WAS HERE, DID SHE SEEM ANXIOUS 152 00:08:28,308 --> 00:08:30,642 OR MAYBE IN A HURRY? 153 00:08:30,677 --> 00:08:31,743 NO. 154 00:08:31,778 --> 00:08:36,114 I WOULDN'T SAY SHE SEEMED ANXIOUS. 155 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:37,983 DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT TIME SHE LEFT? 156 00:08:38,018 --> 00:08:40,952 YEAH. IT WAS -- IT WAS JUST BEFORE 6:00. 157 00:08:40,988 --> 00:08:44,022 I THINK SHE MENTIONED WALKING BACK TO CAMPUS 158 00:08:44,057 --> 00:08:46,057 OR HITCHING A RIDE. 159 00:08:47,895 --> 00:08:50,095 SHE SAID THAT? 160 00:08:50,130 --> 00:08:52,831 THE ROAD TO THE CAMPUS GOES UP A RATHER STEEP HILL. 161 00:08:52,866 --> 00:08:56,001 IT WAS SNOWING THAT AFTERNOON, 162 00:08:56,036 --> 00:08:58,937 SO PROBABLY WAS A LITTLE SLIPPERY IN SPOTS. 163 00:08:58,972 --> 00:09:02,240 AND SO, SHE MIGHT HAVE JUST FELT SAFER IN CATCHING A RIDE 164 00:09:02,276 --> 00:09:03,275 THAN WALKING UP THE HILL. 165 00:09:03,310 --> 00:09:04,342 I DON'T KNOW. 166 00:09:04,378 --> 00:09:06,144 DO YOU THINK SHE'S OKAY? 167 00:09:08,916 --> 00:09:10,215 YEAH, I'M SURE SHE'S FINE. 168 00:09:10,250 --> 00:09:12,817 THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP. AND KEEP AN EYE OUT, OKAY? 169 00:09:19,793 --> 00:09:22,961 AS A MATTER OF FACT, 170 00:09:22,996 --> 00:09:26,631 WE HAD GOTTEN TOGETHER AT CAMP ON THANKSGIVING, 171 00:09:26,667 --> 00:09:28,800 AND I REMEMBER HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH HER. 172 00:09:28,835 --> 00:09:31,569 I THINK SHE BROUGHT UP THE SUBJECT ABOUT HITCHHIKING, 173 00:09:31,605 --> 00:09:33,305 AND I REMEMBER TELLING HER, 174 00:09:33,340 --> 00:09:36,107 "LINDA, I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR YOU TO HITCHHIKE." 175 00:09:38,545 --> 00:09:40,946 LINDA... 176 00:09:40,981 --> 00:09:43,782 YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT. THAT'S DANGEROUS. 177 00:09:43,817 --> 00:09:45,617 NO, DAD. IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT THAT DANGEROUS. 178 00:09:45,652 --> 00:09:47,953 I MEAN, LIKE, IT'S LESS THAN A MILE. 179 00:09:47,988 --> 00:09:51,389 I TOLD HER I DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA. 180 00:09:51,425 --> 00:09:55,026 DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I COULD HAVE DONE AS A PARENT. 181 00:09:57,030 --> 00:09:58,496 AT THIS POINT IN THE INVESTIGATION, 182 00:09:58,532 --> 00:10:01,066 WE WEREN'T CERTAIN THAT SHE WAS HITCHHIKING. 183 00:10:02,469 --> 00:10:09,374 WE DECIDED WE WOULD USE DOGS TO TRY TO FIND HER. 184 00:10:09,409 --> 00:10:12,410 WE WENT TO CHESTNUT STREET AND MET THE BLOODHOUND HANDLER. 185 00:10:12,446 --> 00:10:16,114 HE HAD SOME SCENT MATERIAL THAT HAD BEEN PROVIDED 186 00:10:16,149 --> 00:10:19,017 BY A ROOMMATE FROM HER DORM ROOM. 187 00:10:19,052 --> 00:10:22,520 AND HE LET THE DOG SMELL THE SCENT MATERIAL, 188 00:10:22,556 --> 00:10:24,990 AND THEN HE WENT OUT THE FRONT DOOR 189 00:10:25,025 --> 00:10:26,524 AND DOWN THE STAIRS. 190 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:28,026 THEN THE DOG LOST THE SCENT, 191 00:10:28,061 --> 00:10:29,494 WHICH IS INDICATIVE THAT A VEHICLE 192 00:10:29,529 --> 00:10:32,297 PROBABLY PICKED HER UP THERE. 193 00:10:32,332 --> 00:10:33,531 SHE COULD HAVE BEEN KIDNAPPED. 194 00:10:33,567 --> 00:10:39,104 SHE COULD HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRED, MOVED SOMEWHERE. 195 00:10:39,139 --> 00:10:42,640 SHE HADN'T GONE AWAY VOLUNTARILY. 196 00:10:42,676 --> 00:10:44,609 IF LINDA IS ALIVE, 197 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:48,346 THE BRUTAL WEATHER MEANS HER LIFE MAY BE IN DANGER. 198 00:10:48,382 --> 00:10:50,582 THE ONEONTA AREA GETS HARSH WINTERS -- 199 00:10:50,617 --> 00:10:53,585 A LOT OF SNOW, COLD TEMPERATURES. 200 00:10:57,157 --> 00:10:58,790 SHE'D HAVE TO BE INSIDE SOMEPLACE, 201 00:10:58,825 --> 00:11:01,860 BECAUSE IT WAS BELOW ZERO SOMETIMES. 202 00:11:01,895 --> 00:11:03,895 SHE WOULDN'T HAVE SUSTAINED LIFE TOO LONG 203 00:11:03,930 --> 00:11:06,097 IN THE TEMPERATURES AT THE TIME. 204 00:11:09,436 --> 00:11:10,668 IN ANY CASE LIKE THIS, 205 00:11:10,704 --> 00:11:12,570 YOU WANT TO FIND THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, 206 00:11:12,606 --> 00:11:15,040 AND SO, THE QUICKER YOU CAN MOVE, THE BETTER. 207 00:11:15,075 --> 00:11:18,410 WE'VE THOUGHT OF EVERY POSSIBLE THING AT THIS POINT. 208 00:11:18,445 --> 00:11:21,579 WE'RE VERY REALISTIC. 209 00:11:21,615 --> 00:11:23,548 BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE VERY HOPEFUL. 210 00:11:23,583 --> 00:11:26,217 I HAD NO IDEA, YOU KNOW, HOW THINGS WOULD TURN OUT. 211 00:11:26,253 --> 00:11:28,686 WHO KNEW? MAYBE A MIRACLE'D HAPPEN. 212 00:11:38,215 --> 00:11:41,383 FOR A LONG TIME, I WOULD WAKE UP 213 00:11:41,418 --> 00:11:45,420 AND THINK IT WAS A DREAM THAT I WAS HAVING. 214 00:11:47,224 --> 00:11:48,623 YOU'RE LIVING, YOU'RE WALKING AROUND, 215 00:11:48,658 --> 00:11:51,059 BUT YOU'RE REALLY HALF DEAD. 216 00:11:53,663 --> 00:11:55,563 YOU CAN'T THINK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. 217 00:11:55,599 --> 00:11:58,299 NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. 218 00:11:58,335 --> 00:12:00,835 REVEREND VELZY WAS A GOOD FATHER, 219 00:12:00,871 --> 00:12:03,738 AND HE WANTED TO DO ANYTHING HE COULD 220 00:12:03,774 --> 00:12:05,373 TO HELP FIND HIS DAUGHTER, 221 00:12:05,409 --> 00:12:07,876 BECAUSE SHE'D BEEN MISSING FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS 222 00:12:07,911 --> 00:12:10,245 AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE SHE WAS. 223 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:11,479 NOBODY DID. 224 00:12:11,515 --> 00:12:13,882 H- HOWARD, WHAT ARE YOU -- WHAT ARE YOU DOING? 225 00:12:13,917 --> 00:12:15,617 THINKING. 226 00:12:15,652 --> 00:12:16,885 WHEN I'M FACED WITH A PROBLEM, 227 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,954 I DON'T REST UNTIL I FIND A SOLUTION. 228 00:12:21,258 --> 00:12:23,758 SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE. 229 00:12:23,794 --> 00:12:25,960 WHAT IF WE GOT THE NEWS INVOLVED? 230 00:12:25,996 --> 00:12:29,264 LIKE, USE THE MEDIA TO -- TO HELP SPREAD THE WORD. 231 00:12:30,834 --> 00:12:32,634 YOU THINK THAT COULD WORK? 232 00:12:32,669 --> 00:12:35,036 WE THOUGHT MAYBE THAT WOULD GET SOME ATTENTION, 233 00:12:35,071 --> 00:12:37,038 BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GETTING ANY ATTENTION. 234 00:12:37,073 --> 00:12:39,207 I THINK I KNOW SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP. 235 00:12:39,242 --> 00:12:41,309 NOBODY CARED. 236 00:12:41,344 --> 00:12:42,544 WASN'T EVEN NEWSWORTHY. 237 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,880 SO, WHAT HAPPENED WAS, 238 00:12:45,916 --> 00:12:47,415 ONE OF MY PARISHIONER'S FATHER 239 00:12:47,451 --> 00:12:51,252 HAD BEEN A CAMERAMAN FOR "60 MINUTES." 240 00:12:51,288 --> 00:12:53,621 AND HE SAYS, "CAN I BE OF ANY HELP?" 241 00:12:53,657 --> 00:12:56,024 WELL, THAT'S WHEN THINGS BEGAN TO HAPPEN. 242 00:12:56,059 --> 00:12:58,259 LINDA VELZY WAS LAST SEEN HERE ON WEST STREET IN ONEONTA 243 00:12:58,295 --> 00:13:01,129 ABOUT 6:00 ON THE NIGHT OF DECEMBER 9th. 244 00:13:01,164 --> 00:13:03,031 SHE WAS CARRYING A LARGE PACKAGE -- 245 00:13:03,066 --> 00:13:05,500 A CHRISTMAS GIFT FOR HER MOTHER. 246 00:13:05,535 --> 00:13:07,969 THIS WAS NATIONAL NEWS AT THIS POINT. 247 00:13:08,004 --> 00:13:12,707 WE HAD 26 BCI DETECTIVES ALL OVER THE STATE OF NEW YORK 248 00:13:12,742 --> 00:13:18,079 DESCEND ON ONEONTA WITHIN A MATTER OF, LITERALLY, HOURS, 249 00:13:18,114 --> 00:13:20,548 AND THEY HAD THOUSANDS OF LEADS COMING 250 00:13:20,584 --> 00:13:23,485 'CAUSE NOW WE WERE NOW A MEDIA BLITZ. 251 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:24,652 IF SOMEBODY SAID 252 00:13:24,688 --> 00:13:26,788 THEY THOUGHT THEY SAW HER DOWN IN BINGHAMTON, 253 00:13:26,823 --> 00:13:28,289 SOMEBODY WENT TO BINGHAMTON. 254 00:13:28,325 --> 00:13:29,524 NO MATTER HOW FARFETCHED -- 255 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,125 I MEAN, EVERYTHING FROM THE PSYCHICS 256 00:13:31,161 --> 00:13:33,561 TO THE TRACKING DOGS THAT PEOPLE VOLUNTEERED, 257 00:13:33,597 --> 00:13:35,396 THEY WERE ALL ADDRESSED. 258 00:13:35,432 --> 00:13:37,098 ANYONE WITH INFORMATION 259 00:13:37,133 --> 00:13:38,600 ON LINDA VELZY'S WHEREABOUTS 260 00:13:38,635 --> 00:13:40,902 IS URGED TO CALL NEW YORK STATE TROOPERS 261 00:13:40,937 --> 00:13:42,337 IN THE ONEONTA OFFICE. 262 00:13:42,372 --> 00:13:44,506 THE SEARCH FOR LINDA SPREADS, 263 00:13:44,541 --> 00:13:48,209 BUT THE TERRAIN MAKES THE JOB DIFFICULT. 264 00:13:48,245 --> 00:13:51,779 ONEONTA IS IN OTSEGO COUNTY IN UPSTATE NEW YORK. 265 00:13:51,815 --> 00:13:54,215 IT'S A VALLEY BETWEEN ROLLING HILLS, 266 00:13:54,251 --> 00:13:56,150 AND, IN FACT, THE CITY OF THE MOUNTAINS -- 267 00:13:56,186 --> 00:13:57,986 THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL IT. 268 00:14:00,524 --> 00:14:02,957 THEY'RE BACK ROADS, DEAD-END ROADS. 269 00:14:02,993 --> 00:14:04,926 IN UPSTATE NEW YORK, YOU CAN DUMP SOMEBODY, 270 00:14:04,961 --> 00:14:08,129 AND THERE'S NOBODY AROUND FOR MILES. 271 00:14:09,866 --> 00:14:13,401 SO, I MEAN, TRYING TO HIDE A BODY, 272 00:14:13,436 --> 00:14:15,637 THAT'S NO TRICK AT ALL. 273 00:14:17,574 --> 00:14:21,576 WE HAD NO IDEA WHERE SHE WAS -- ALIVE OR DEAD. 274 00:14:21,611 --> 00:14:23,678 A BODY COULD BE JUST COVERED WITH SNOW. 275 00:14:23,713 --> 00:14:24,846 IT COULD HAVE JUST BEEN THROWN OUT OF THE CAR 276 00:14:24,881 --> 00:14:26,014 AND COVERED WITH SNOW, 277 00:14:26,049 --> 00:14:27,615 AND YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T FIND IT TILL SPRING 278 00:14:27,651 --> 00:14:29,851 UNLESS YOU HAD A TIP WHERE IT WAS. 279 00:14:40,096 --> 00:14:42,697 DETECTIVE TIGHE, STATE POLICE. 280 00:14:42,732 --> 00:14:45,934 WE GOT A CALL FROM THE WATER SUPERINTENDENT FOR ONEONTA 281 00:14:45,969 --> 00:14:49,637 AND SAID THAT THE BACTERIA COUNT WAS UP IN THE RESERVOIR, 282 00:14:49,673 --> 00:14:53,675 AND THAT WOULD BE INDICATIVE OF A DECOMPOSING BODY. 283 00:14:53,710 --> 00:14:57,579 TO US, IT WAS A GOOD POSSIBILITY THAT HER BODY WAS THERE. 284 00:14:57,614 --> 00:14:59,814 OKAY. 285 00:14:59,849 --> 00:15:00,982 WE'LL PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. 286 00:15:01,017 --> 00:15:03,017 SO THE DIVING DETAIL WAS BROUGHT UP, 287 00:15:03,053 --> 00:15:04,919 AND THEY DOVE UNDER THE ICE, WHICH IS VERY DANGEROUS... 288 00:15:05,956 --> 00:15:07,288 ...BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER THE ICE, 289 00:15:07,324 --> 00:15:10,525 AND IF THEY DON'T FIND THE HOLE, THEY'RE NOT COMING UP. 290 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,594 IT WASN'T A JOB THAT I'D WANT TO DO. 291 00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:16,464 THEY SEARCHED FOR TWO DAYS, AND NOTHING WAS FOUND. 292 00:15:17,934 --> 00:15:20,435 IT'S DISAPPOINTING WHEN IT TURNS OUT THERE'S NOTHING, 293 00:15:20,470 --> 00:15:22,570 BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. 294 00:15:22,606 --> 00:15:24,739 THERE'S A LOT OF DISAPPOINTMENTS IN INVESTIGATIONS. 295 00:15:26,643 --> 00:15:28,142 HER BOYFRIEND WAS INTERVIEWED, 296 00:15:28,178 --> 00:15:31,546 AND HIS STATEMENTS WERE CHECKED OUT. 297 00:15:31,581 --> 00:15:32,614 THERE WAS NOTHING, 298 00:15:32,649 --> 00:15:36,184 NOTHING THAT WOULD HAVE INDICATED AT ALL 299 00:15:36,219 --> 00:15:38,386 HIS INVOLVEMENT. 300 00:15:38,421 --> 00:15:42,573 IT WAS A GOOD LEAD AT THE TIME UNTIL HE WAS RULED OUT. 301 00:15:42,609 --> 00:15:46,494 FRUSTRATED, DETECTIVES TRY A NEW APPROACH. 302 00:15:46,529 --> 00:15:47,895 LOOK, NOBODY'S POINTING ANY FINGERS. 303 00:15:47,931 --> 00:15:49,263 WE JUST HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTIONS. 304 00:15:49,299 --> 00:15:51,833 I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU WANT FROM ME. 305 00:15:51,868 --> 00:15:54,936 PAROLE OFFICERS CONTACTED FOR THAT AREA 306 00:15:54,971 --> 00:15:56,738 AND GET A LIST OF PAROLEES 307 00:15:56,773 --> 00:16:00,808 THAT WERE INCARCERATED FOR SEX-RELATED INCIDENTS, 308 00:16:00,844 --> 00:16:02,610 AND THERE WERE A LARGE NUMBER OF PREVIOUS OFFENDERS 309 00:16:02,646 --> 00:16:03,845 THAT HAD TO BE INTERVIEWED. 310 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,747 OKAY, YOU'RE FREE TO GO. 311 00:16:16,993 --> 00:16:19,160 MR. KNAPP, HAVE A SEAT. 312 00:16:26,302 --> 00:16:28,436 ONE OF THE SUBJECTS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT 313 00:16:28,471 --> 00:16:30,338 WAS 26-YEAR-OLD RICKY KNAPP. 314 00:16:30,373 --> 00:16:32,006 WE'RE WORKING ON A MISSING-PERSONS CASE 315 00:16:32,042 --> 00:16:33,207 INVOLVING A YOUNG WOMAN. 316 00:16:33,243 --> 00:16:35,309 RICKY KNAPP WAS OUT ON BAIL 317 00:16:35,345 --> 00:16:38,112 FOR AN INCIDENT INVOLVING ANOTHER CO-ED. 318 00:16:38,148 --> 00:16:40,715 AND SHE WAS WALKING UP WHAT THEY CALL A COW PATH, 319 00:16:40,750 --> 00:16:44,018 WHICH IS A TRAIL UP THE HILL UP TO THE CAMPUS. 320 00:16:44,054 --> 00:16:45,486 IT'S A SHORTCUT. 321 00:16:45,522 --> 00:16:47,789 AND SHE WAS WALKING UP THAT AND HE WAS HIDING IN THE BUSHES 322 00:16:47,824 --> 00:16:49,691 AND HE JUMPED OUT AND GRABBED HER. 323 00:16:51,261 --> 00:16:52,794 YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS? 324 00:16:55,198 --> 00:16:56,364 WHAT ABOUT IT? 325 00:17:01,104 --> 00:17:03,838 WELL, YOU RAPED THIS GIRL. 326 00:17:03,873 --> 00:17:05,339 TERRORIZED HER. 327 00:17:07,177 --> 00:17:08,576 NOW, TWO WEEKS LATER, 328 00:17:08,611 --> 00:17:12,613 ANOTHER CO-ED, LINDA VELZY, HAS GONE MISSING. 329 00:17:12,649 --> 00:17:15,516 YOU WOULDN'T HAPPEN TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, WOULD YOU? 330 00:17:15,552 --> 00:17:16,551 WHY WOULD I DO ANYTHING 331 00:17:16,586 --> 00:17:18,953 WHEN YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY WATCHING ME? 332 00:17:20,857 --> 00:17:22,557 IT WAS ONLY, LIKE, THREE OR FOUR WEEKS 333 00:17:22,592 --> 00:17:26,494 BEFORE THIS INCIDENT OCCURRED. 334 00:17:26,529 --> 00:17:30,431 HE WAS OUT ON BAIL, AND... 335 00:17:30,467 --> 00:17:35,103 THE M.O. WOULD FIT THIS PICTURE, TOO. 336 00:17:35,138 --> 00:17:38,639 ON THE 9th, WERE YOU ANYWHERE NEAR CHESTNUT STREET? 337 00:17:38,675 --> 00:17:41,342 CHESTNUT? 338 00:17:41,377 --> 00:17:43,411 ACTUALLY, YES. 339 00:17:43,446 --> 00:17:45,313 I WAS DRIVING UP CHESTNUT, 340 00:17:45,348 --> 00:17:47,315 AND I SAW THIS GIRL WALKING OUT THERE. 341 00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:48,483 IT WAS FREEZING. 342 00:17:48,518 --> 00:17:50,818 SO, I FIGURED I'D HELP HER OUT. 343 00:17:50,854 --> 00:17:54,522 HE WAS GOING UP WEST STREET, AND HE SAID HE SAW A HITCHHIKER, 344 00:17:54,557 --> 00:17:57,859 BUT SHE WAS WEARING A WHITE COAT AND SHE HAD DARK HAIR. 345 00:17:57,894 --> 00:18:02,196 IT WAS JUST THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT DESCRIBED LINDA. 346 00:18:02,232 --> 00:18:03,931 AND HE SAID HE STOPPED AND ASKED HER IF SHE WANTED A RIDE, 347 00:18:03,967 --> 00:18:05,633 AND SHE SAID NO. 348 00:18:05,668 --> 00:18:08,269 AND HE SAID, "I WENT ON MY WAY." 349 00:18:08,304 --> 00:18:09,237 WOULD YOU MIND COMING BACK TOMORROW 350 00:18:09,272 --> 00:18:12,440 AND TAKING A LIE-DETECTOR TEST? 351 00:18:12,475 --> 00:18:14,642 WHATEVER YOU NEED, DETECTIVE. 352 00:18:14,677 --> 00:18:17,011 I GOT NOTHING TO HIDE. 353 00:18:17,046 --> 00:18:18,679 WE DONE HERE? 354 00:18:18,715 --> 00:18:19,847 FOR NOW. 355 00:18:21,718 --> 00:18:24,318 BUT THEN, THE NEXT NIGHT, HE DIDN'T CALL. 356 00:18:24,354 --> 00:18:25,853 ANOTHER INVESTIGATOR GOT AHOLD OF HIM, 357 00:18:25,889 --> 00:18:29,423 AND HE SAID, "MY ATTORNEY TOLD ME NOT TO TAKE IT, 358 00:18:29,459 --> 00:18:32,260 NOT TO TALK TO YOU GUYS, SO I'M NOT GONNA." 359 00:18:32,295 --> 00:18:34,262 AFTER HIS ATTORNEY MADE THE CALLS 360 00:18:34,297 --> 00:18:36,030 TO THE STATE POLICE AND THE ONEONTA POLICE, 361 00:18:36,065 --> 00:18:37,131 HE WAS BASICALLY OFF-LIMITS, 362 00:18:37,167 --> 00:18:38,699 SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO INTERVIEW HIM 363 00:18:38,735 --> 00:18:40,968 OR DO A POLYGRAPH OR ANYTHING. 364 00:18:43,473 --> 00:18:47,275 WE HAD NO EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS INVOLVED WITH LINDA VELZY, 365 00:18:47,310 --> 00:18:51,379 AND WE, IN FACT, DIDN'T KNOW IF SHE WAS EVEN DECEASED. 366 00:18:51,414 --> 00:18:55,683 WE HAD NO BODY, SO WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO GO ON. 367 00:18:55,718 --> 00:18:57,518 WE WERE PRETTY MUCH OUT OF OPTIONS. 368 00:19:00,323 --> 00:19:03,291 SO, I HAD NO REASON TO SUSPECT ANYBODY ELSE -- 369 00:19:03,326 --> 00:19:05,092 EVEN CONSIDER ANYBODY ELSE. 370 00:19:05,128 --> 00:19:07,495 HE WAS OBVIOUSLY SICK. 371 00:19:07,530 --> 00:19:10,097 HE WAS OBVIOUSLY SEXUALLY PERVERTED. 372 00:19:12,869 --> 00:19:16,437 BUT THE QUESTION WAS, WOULD I EVER SEE HER AGAIN? 373 00:19:16,472 --> 00:19:18,806 AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING? WHAT WAS SHE GOING THROUGH? 374 00:19:20,643 --> 00:19:23,744 HE WAS NOT A NAIVE TEENAGER. 375 00:19:23,780 --> 00:19:28,165 HE'S AN EX-CON. HE KNOWS HIS WAY AROUND. 376 00:19:28,201 --> 00:19:30,568 SO, WHAT'S A DETECTIVE GOING TO DO? 377 00:19:40,914 --> 00:19:42,580 DETECTIVE. 378 00:19:42,615 --> 00:19:44,515 MIND IF I COME IN? 379 00:19:44,551 --> 00:19:45,683 OKAY. 380 00:19:55,895 --> 00:19:58,029 WHAT'S GOING ON? 381 00:19:58,064 --> 00:20:00,031 WE, TALKED TO RICKY. 382 00:20:02,969 --> 00:20:05,236 WHAT'D HE SAY? 383 00:20:05,271 --> 00:20:06,737 HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. 384 00:20:06,773 --> 00:20:09,640 UNFORTUNATELY, HE'S... 385 00:20:09,676 --> 00:20:10,942 HE'S LAWYERED UP. 386 00:20:19,719 --> 00:20:22,320 SO, WHAT DO WE DO NEXT? 387 00:20:22,355 --> 00:20:23,721 WE KEEP LOOKING. 388 00:20:25,124 --> 00:20:29,093 BUT AS FAR AS RICKY GOES... OUR HANDS ARE TIED. 389 00:20:29,128 --> 00:20:33,064 WE'D COME TO THE POINT WHERE WE WERE LOSING CONFIDENCE 390 00:20:33,099 --> 00:20:36,100 THAT WE WOULD EVER HAVE A SOLUTION -- 391 00:20:36,135 --> 00:20:37,735 KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAD HAPPENED -- 392 00:20:37,770 --> 00:20:39,904 AND WE MAY NEVER FIND OUT. 393 00:20:44,577 --> 00:20:45,843 I THINK I HAVE AN IDEA. 394 00:20:52,101 --> 00:20:54,001 I'M A PERSON OF FAITH, 395 00:20:54,037 --> 00:20:59,440 AND SO, I HELD ON TO THE BELIEF THAT MAYBE SHE'D SHOW UP. 396 00:21:01,511 --> 00:21:03,010 BUT I DIDN'T REALLY BELIEVE IT. 397 00:21:03,046 --> 00:21:06,714 WE KNEW -- WE KNEW OUR LIVES HAD CHANGED. 398 00:21:06,749 --> 00:21:08,549 WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW. 399 00:21:11,487 --> 00:21:14,155 I THINK OUR FAITH GROUNDED US ENOUGH TO KNOW 400 00:21:14,190 --> 00:21:18,826 THAT GOD WAS THERE WITH US 401 00:21:18,861 --> 00:21:22,096 AND THAT GOD WAS CRYING WITH US. 402 00:21:22,131 --> 00:21:24,131 I NEVER GAVE UP HOPE, 403 00:21:24,167 --> 00:21:30,504 BUT IT WAS JUST TOO MANY SIGNS THAT THINGS WERE NOT RIGHT. 404 00:21:32,875 --> 00:21:36,877 LINDA'S BROTHERS ARRIVE IN TOWN TO JOIN THE SEARCH. 405 00:21:36,913 --> 00:21:38,312 WE DROVE UP TO ONEONTA, TOO. 406 00:21:38,348 --> 00:21:40,047 MY PARENTS WERE ALREADY UP THERE. 407 00:21:40,083 --> 00:21:42,016 WE THOUGHT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD -- 408 00:21:42,051 --> 00:21:43,985 FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. RIGHT. 409 00:21:45,355 --> 00:21:46,654 WE WENT THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 410 00:21:46,689 --> 00:21:48,522 WE ACTUALLY KNOCKED ON THE DOORS OF THE HOUSES, 411 00:21:48,558 --> 00:21:51,292 ASKING THE PEOPLE IF THEY KNEW ANYTHING. 412 00:21:51,327 --> 00:21:53,527 YOU KNOW, YOU JUST -- YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING. 413 00:21:53,563 --> 00:21:54,628 YOU WANTED TO KNOW, 414 00:21:54,664 --> 00:21:57,898 AND THERE WAS JUST NO INFORMATION AT ALL. 415 00:21:57,934 --> 00:21:59,300 AND AFTER TWO OR THREE DAYS, 416 00:21:59,335 --> 00:22:01,068 I THINK WE JUST KIND OF FIGURED THERE WASN'T -- 417 00:22:01,104 --> 00:22:03,070 WE WEREN'T REALLY ACCOMPLISHING ANYTHING. 418 00:22:08,678 --> 00:22:11,278 INVESTIGATORS HAVE BEGUN TO FOCUS 419 00:22:11,314 --> 00:22:15,616 ON 26-YEAR-OLD TREE SURGEON RICKY KNAPP. 420 00:22:15,651 --> 00:22:19,420 WE HAD NO EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS INVOLVED WITH LINDA VELZY. 421 00:22:19,455 --> 00:22:21,555 WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO GO ON. 422 00:22:23,826 --> 00:22:26,193 ALTHOUGH WE SUSPECTED 423 00:22:26,229 --> 00:22:29,797 AND HE WAS OUR PRIMARY SUSPECT BY THIS POINT, 424 00:22:29,832 --> 00:22:31,232 THERE'S NOTHING WE COULD DO 425 00:22:31,267 --> 00:22:33,534 OTHER THAN JUST KEEP FOLLOWING LEADS 426 00:22:33,569 --> 00:22:36,370 AND KEEPING AN EYE ON HIM. 427 00:22:36,406 --> 00:22:38,439 YOU THINK RICKY KNOWS WE'RE WATCHING HIM? 428 00:22:38,474 --> 00:22:41,008 HE'S CERTAINLY STAYING OUT OF TROUBLE. 429 00:22:41,044 --> 00:22:43,444 SO EITHER HE KNOWS WE'RE ONTO HIM... 430 00:22:43,479 --> 00:22:45,279 OR ELSE HE'S TURNED OVER A NEW LEAF. 431 00:22:47,150 --> 00:22:48,549 I DOUBT IT. 432 00:22:51,988 --> 00:22:53,287 IS THAT ARTHUR HITT? 433 00:22:53,322 --> 00:22:54,722 WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING HERE? 434 00:22:54,757 --> 00:22:57,024 THINK WE'RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT. 435 00:22:57,060 --> 00:23:01,028 ARTHUR HITT WAS A SELF-EMPLOYED LOGGER. 436 00:23:01,064 --> 00:23:04,498 HE WORKED ON OCCASION WITH RICKY KNAPP. 437 00:23:04,534 --> 00:23:07,234 AND HE HAD SOME BRUSHES WITH THE LAW -- 438 00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:11,038 IN FACT, HAD A ROBBERY PENDING AT THE TIME. 439 00:23:11,074 --> 00:23:12,206 WELL, YOU'RE ABOUT THE LAST PERSON 440 00:23:12,241 --> 00:23:13,741 I EXPECT TO SEE IN HERE, ARTHUR. 441 00:23:16,779 --> 00:23:19,713 YOU KNOW THE COLLEGE GIRL THAT'S GONE MISSING? 442 00:23:19,749 --> 00:23:22,450 I MIGHT HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON HER. 443 00:23:22,485 --> 00:23:24,185 THINK... 444 00:23:24,220 --> 00:23:27,621 MAYBE YOU'D BE INTERESTED IN...MAKING A TRADE. 445 00:23:30,793 --> 00:23:32,960 LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN DO. 446 00:23:32,995 --> 00:23:36,130 THEY WERE GONNA REDUCE HIS CHARGES TO MISDEMEANORS -- 447 00:23:36,165 --> 00:23:37,998 PUNISHABLE BY A MAXIMUM OF ONE YEAR IN JAIL, 448 00:23:38,034 --> 00:23:39,100 IN THE COUNTY JAIL, 449 00:23:39,135 --> 00:23:41,068 SO IT'S GREAT REDUCTION FROM A FELONY 450 00:23:41,104 --> 00:23:43,504 AND GOING TO ATTICA OR SOMEPLACE. 451 00:23:43,539 --> 00:23:46,140 OKAY, ARTHUR, THIS BETTER BE GOOD. 452 00:23:46,175 --> 00:23:48,509 WHY DON'T YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW? 453 00:23:48,544 --> 00:23:50,778 OKAY. 454 00:23:50,813 --> 00:23:52,780 I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO RICKY. 455 00:23:55,218 --> 00:23:56,750 ONE OF THE IMPORTANT PIECES OF INFORMATION 456 00:23:56,786 --> 00:24:00,454 THAT HITT PROVIDED WAS THAT RICKY KNAPP HAD ASKED HIM 457 00:24:00,490 --> 00:24:01,989 TO SAY HE WAS WITH HIM 458 00:24:02,024 --> 00:24:06,127 ON THE NIGHT OF DECEMBER 9th UNTIL 8:00 P.M. 459 00:24:06,162 --> 00:24:07,995 BUT HE DIDN'T SAY WHY. 460 00:24:09,098 --> 00:24:11,799 HAS HE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT LINDA VELZY? 461 00:24:11,834 --> 00:24:13,868 COME ON, ARTHUR. I'M GONNA NEED MORE THAN THIS. 462 00:24:13,903 --> 00:24:16,103 I'VE GIVING YOU ALL THAT I GOT. 463 00:24:16,139 --> 00:24:18,606 LOOK, THIS IS A TWO-WAY STREET. 464 00:24:18,641 --> 00:24:20,574 IF I'M GONNA HELP YOU, I NEED MORE. 465 00:24:20,610 --> 00:24:25,179 OUR HOPE WAS THAT ARTHUR HITT COULD GET RICKY TO CONFESS, 466 00:24:25,214 --> 00:24:27,181 BUT ANY INFORMATION THAT HE COULD PROVIDE US WITH 467 00:24:27,216 --> 00:24:28,516 WOULD BE MORE THAN WHAT WE HAD, 468 00:24:28,551 --> 00:24:31,852 BECAUSE WE COULDN'T EVEN TALK TO RICKY KNAPP. 469 00:24:31,888 --> 00:24:33,687 WHAT DO YOU WANT? 470 00:24:38,094 --> 00:24:39,293 WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? 471 00:24:39,328 --> 00:24:41,328 I NEED SOMETHING ON TAPE. 472 00:24:41,364 --> 00:24:42,429 YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD HIS TRUST. 473 00:24:42,465 --> 00:24:44,331 YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WEAR A WIRE. 474 00:24:44,367 --> 00:24:47,468 WE WIRED HIM WITH A BODY WIRE, 475 00:24:47,503 --> 00:24:51,772 AND HE MET RICKY IN A BAR IN WEST ONEONTA, 476 00:24:51,807 --> 00:24:53,774 NOT TOO FAR FROM RICKY'S HOUSE. 477 00:24:59,749 --> 00:25:02,349 SO, YOU REALLY THINK THE COPS ARE WATCHING YOU? 478 00:25:02,385 --> 00:25:04,151 I KNOW MARKED CARS. 479 00:25:04,187 --> 00:25:07,221 ONE WILL FOLLOW ME FOR A FEW BLOCKS AND TURN. 480 00:25:07,256 --> 00:25:09,190 A MINUTE LATER, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE FOLLOWING. 481 00:25:09,225 --> 00:25:10,991 PROBABLY OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW. 482 00:25:12,562 --> 00:25:14,995 YOU'RE NOT WORRIED AT ALL? 483 00:25:15,031 --> 00:25:16,864 WHAT DO I GOT TO BE WORRIED ABOUT? 484 00:25:18,634 --> 00:25:21,669 I DON'T KNOW. I-I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M, UM -- 485 00:25:21,704 --> 00:25:23,437 I'M ASKING YOU. 486 00:25:26,709 --> 00:25:29,476 WHY ARE YOU SO INTERESTED? 487 00:25:29,512 --> 00:25:31,612 I'M JUST SAYING, IF, - IF THEY START FOLLOWING ME, 488 00:25:31,647 --> 00:25:34,014 I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, RIGHT? 489 00:25:46,495 --> 00:25:47,861 AND THEY HAD A CONVERSATION, 490 00:25:47,897 --> 00:25:52,499 BUT THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT, NOTHING MUCH WAS ENLIGHTENING. 491 00:26:07,283 --> 00:26:09,984 WE ASSUMED THAT HE WOULD GET AWAY WITH IT 492 00:26:10,019 --> 00:26:13,053 UNLESS WE COULD SOMEHOW 493 00:26:13,089 --> 00:26:15,589 I GUESS PULL OFF A MIRACLE. 494 00:26:15,625 --> 00:26:18,325 CAROL, THIS GUY'S NEVER GONNA GET RICKY TO SAY ANYTHING, 495 00:26:18,361 --> 00:26:20,394 NOT WHILE HE HAS HIS GUARD UP. 496 00:26:20,429 --> 00:26:22,229 WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING? 497 00:26:23,766 --> 00:26:25,833 WE GO HOME FOR CHRISTMAS. 498 00:26:25,868 --> 00:26:28,636 NOT THIS AGAIN, HOWARD. WE CAN'T. 499 00:26:28,671 --> 00:26:29,837 HE WAS BEHAVING HIMSELF. 500 00:26:29,872 --> 00:26:31,805 WELL, WE KNEW NOTHING WAS GONNA HAPPEN WITH HIM 501 00:26:31,841 --> 00:26:34,174 IF HE'S BEING CAUTIOUS. 502 00:26:34,210 --> 00:26:36,910 HE HAS TO THINK THAT THE PRESSURE'S OFF. 503 00:26:36,946 --> 00:26:39,747 BUT SHE'S OUT THERE SOMEWHERE, HOWARD. 504 00:26:39,782 --> 00:26:40,781 IN THE COLD. 505 00:26:40,816 --> 00:26:43,450 THE IDEA WAS TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION 506 00:26:43,486 --> 00:26:45,919 THAT WE WERE GIVING UP, 507 00:26:45,955 --> 00:26:49,023 THAT THERE WAS NO SOLUTION -- 508 00:26:49,058 --> 00:26:51,058 IN OTHER WORDS, HE'D GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT. 509 00:26:52,828 --> 00:26:55,162 CAROL... 510 00:26:55,197 --> 00:26:57,064 WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF OPTIONS. 511 00:26:58,367 --> 00:26:59,533 WE HAD NO CHOICE. 512 00:26:59,568 --> 00:27:04,405 WE WENT BACK FOR CHRISTMAS, AND... 513 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,273 IT WAS VERY HARD TO LEAVE 514 00:27:06,309 --> 00:27:08,208 AND WONDERING STILL WHAT HAD HAPPENED. 515 00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:12,980 WE WENT OUT TO CHURCH THEN, 516 00:27:13,015 --> 00:27:15,182 AND WE SANG CHRISTMAS CAROLS. 517 00:27:15,217 --> 00:27:17,418 AND I'M THINKING, "HERE I AM IN CHURCH 518 00:27:17,453 --> 00:27:19,153 SINGING CHRISTMAS CAROLS, 519 00:27:19,188 --> 00:27:23,857 AND MY LIFE IS RUINED," YOU KNOW? 520 00:27:23,893 --> 00:27:25,693 IT WAS A VERY HARD TIME. 521 00:27:31,067 --> 00:27:33,667 I DO REMEMBER A FEW THINGS I BOUGHT HER. 522 00:27:38,407 --> 00:27:40,541 I HAD THOSE GIFTS WRAPPED FOR HER, 523 00:27:40,576 --> 00:27:43,744 AND I DON'T KNOW HOW I GOT THROUGH THAT. 524 00:27:43,779 --> 00:27:46,814 I HONESTLY DO NOT KNOW HOW I GOT THROUGH WITHOUT GOING NUTS, 525 00:27:46,849 --> 00:27:49,249 AND I WAS CLOSE TO IT, PROBABLY. 526 00:27:52,955 --> 00:27:54,421 AT LEAST WHEN WE WERE IN ONEONTA, 527 00:27:54,457 --> 00:27:55,923 I FELT THAT I WAS AT LEAST THERE -- 528 00:27:55,958 --> 00:27:57,725 NOT THAT I WAS DOING ANYTHING OR HELPING, 529 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,259 BUT AT LEAST I WAS PRESENT. 530 00:27:59,295 --> 00:28:01,095 NOW I'M 150 MILES AWAY 531 00:28:01,130 --> 00:28:03,130 AND DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING 532 00:28:03,165 --> 00:28:06,967 AND CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO BE HELPFUL. 533 00:28:10,473 --> 00:28:16,176 HOWARD HAS NO IDEA THAT HIS PLAN TO LIE LOW IS ABOUT TO PAY OFF. 534 00:28:19,949 --> 00:28:22,716 OKAY, JOE, WHAT'S THIS ABOUT? 535 00:28:22,752 --> 00:28:24,218 THIS IS THE CULMINATION. 536 00:28:24,253 --> 00:28:26,253 SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE 537 00:28:26,288 --> 00:28:27,755 THE FINAL LAP OF A RACE, YOU KNOW? 538 00:28:27,790 --> 00:28:29,223 YOU WIN OR YOU LOSE. 539 00:28:29,258 --> 00:28:30,758 TURNS OUT ARTHUR HITT 540 00:28:30,793 --> 00:28:32,192 MIGHT BE GOOD FOR SOMETHING AFTER ALL. 541 00:28:36,532 --> 00:28:38,899 THREE WEEKS IS A LONG TIME. 542 00:28:38,934 --> 00:28:42,369 AND IT'S AN AWFUL LONG TIME NOT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 543 00:28:42,405 --> 00:28:43,504 IT HAD TO BE DONE. 544 00:28:43,539 --> 00:28:45,606 IT HAD TO BE FIGURED OUT SOMEHOW, 545 00:28:45,641 --> 00:28:50,277 BECAUSE NOT KNOWING WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE HELL IN OUR BOOK. 546 00:28:55,851 --> 00:28:58,051 I GOT A CALL ON NEW YEAR'S EVE. 547 00:28:58,087 --> 00:28:59,853 THERE HAD BEEN A BREAK IN THE CASE. 548 00:28:59,889 --> 00:29:01,688 OKAY, JOE, WHAT'S THIS ABOUT? 549 00:29:01,724 --> 00:29:03,424 GET READY FOR THIS. 550 00:29:03,459 --> 00:29:05,292 HE SAYS RICKY DID IT. 551 00:29:05,327 --> 00:29:08,195 HE CONFESSED TO THE WHOLE THING. 552 00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:09,997 WE WERE INFORMED THAT RICKY KNAPP 553 00:29:10,032 --> 00:29:12,566 HAD TOLD ARTHUR HITT THAT HE HAD KILLED HER 554 00:29:12,601 --> 00:29:15,002 AND THAT RICKY KNAPP HAD LINDA'S BODY 555 00:29:15,037 --> 00:29:18,839 AT SOMEPLACE OVER IN THE MOUNTAINS IN DELAWARE COUNTY. 556 00:29:18,874 --> 00:29:21,074 HE PUT IT IN A LIGHTLY WOODED AREA 557 00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:24,511 AND COVERED IT WITH SNOW AND LEFT IT THERE. 558 00:29:28,751 --> 00:29:31,051 DO HER PARENTS KNOW? 559 00:29:31,086 --> 00:29:32,219 NOT YET. 560 00:29:32,254 --> 00:29:34,388 ARTHUR HAD EXPLAINED TO HIM THAT, YOU KNOW, 561 00:29:34,423 --> 00:29:36,290 IT'S NOT WELL-HIDDEN. THEY'RE GONNA FIND IT. 562 00:29:36,325 --> 00:29:38,225 SO, THEN HE SAYS, "BUT I CAN DIG YOU A GRAVE, 563 00:29:38,260 --> 00:29:39,460 AND THEY'LL NEVER FIND IT." 564 00:29:39,495 --> 00:29:40,861 AND SO, THEY WERE GONNA MOVE THE BODY 565 00:29:40,896 --> 00:29:42,996 AND PUT IT IN A GRAVE THAT ARTHUR DUG WITH HIS BULLDOZER 566 00:29:43,032 --> 00:29:46,200 UP ON THE LOG SITE ON WINNEY HILL ROAD. 567 00:29:46,235 --> 00:29:48,469 ARTHUR CONVINCED HIM TO MOVE THE BODY. 568 00:29:48,504 --> 00:29:51,472 WHEN? TONIGHT AFTER DARK. 569 00:29:51,507 --> 00:29:54,274 OKAY, THIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE TO GET HIM. 570 00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:55,943 NOTHING CAN GO WRONG. 571 00:29:57,446 --> 00:29:59,346 I WANT TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE SUNSET. 572 00:30:10,125 --> 00:30:11,925 ANOTHER INVESTIGATOR AND I WENT UP. 573 00:30:11,961 --> 00:30:14,394 IT WAS EERIE 'CAUSE IT WAS REAL QUIET UP THERE. 574 00:30:20,002 --> 00:30:21,235 WE'RE BACK IN THE WOODS. 575 00:30:21,270 --> 00:30:22,536 AND WE JUST WAITED THERE, 576 00:30:22,571 --> 00:30:24,404 AND IT FELT LIKE IT WAS CUTTING RIGHT TO THE BONE. 577 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,607 YOU KNOW, IT WAS SO COLD. 578 00:30:37,253 --> 00:30:38,986 RICKY PULLS IN THE LOT. 579 00:30:40,689 --> 00:30:43,991 WE WERE AFRAID HE WAS GONNA HIT US WITH THE LIGHTS. 580 00:30:44,026 --> 00:30:48,428 BUT THEN HE TURNED AND STOPPED, AND THEY GOT OUT OF THE CAR. 581 00:30:50,966 --> 00:30:53,267 AND THEY OPENED THE TRUNK. 582 00:30:53,302 --> 00:30:54,635 HEY. 583 00:30:58,641 --> 00:31:00,774 ALL RIGHT, YOU GET HER LEGS. 584 00:31:00,809 --> 00:31:02,109 NO WAY. 585 00:31:02,144 --> 00:31:04,611 SO, THEN RICKY TRIES GETTING HER OUT OF THE TRUNK. 586 00:31:05,548 --> 00:31:07,514 HE FINALLY GOT HER OUT. 587 00:31:10,553 --> 00:31:12,786 DROPPED HER OUT ON THE GROUND. A BIG THUD. 588 00:31:12,821 --> 00:31:14,955 YOU COULD HEAR THIS ECHO 'CAUSE SHE WAS FROZEN STIFF, YOU KNOW. 589 00:31:16,492 --> 00:31:19,026 YEAH. THAT'S GONNA HURT, GIRL. 590 00:31:20,996 --> 00:31:25,666 HE WAS LAUGHING AND MAKING OBSCENE REMARKS ABOUT IT. 591 00:31:35,945 --> 00:31:37,911 HERE HE IS CARRYING A BODY, AND JOE MOORE WALKS UP. 592 00:31:37,947 --> 00:31:40,314 AND OF COURSE JOE'S A BIG GUY, YOU KNOW, 593 00:31:40,349 --> 00:31:42,316 AND TAPS HIM ON THE SHOULDER. 594 00:31:44,353 --> 00:31:47,888 BUT HE -- HE DEFINITELY WAS SURPRISED. 595 00:31:58,667 --> 00:32:01,501 THAT'S LINDA'S BODY 596 00:32:01,537 --> 00:32:05,472 WRAPPED IN A...SHEET OR... 597 00:32:06,842 --> 00:32:08,375 SORT OF LOOKS LIKE A SHEET. 598 00:32:08,410 --> 00:32:12,946 YOU CAN SEE HER BLUE JEANS ON THE LEG THERE. 599 00:32:12,982 --> 00:32:15,282 WOW. 600 00:32:15,317 --> 00:32:17,451 IF THIS BODY WAS IN THE WOODS 601 00:32:17,486 --> 00:32:20,854 AND IF YOU DIDN'T NOTICE THE BLUE JEANS, 602 00:32:20,889 --> 00:32:23,624 YOU COULD WALK RIGHT BY IT AND NOT NOTICE IT. 603 00:32:23,659 --> 00:32:25,425 LOOK LIKE A PILE OF SNOW. 604 00:32:27,096 --> 00:32:28,629 THAT'S ABOUT THE EPITOME OF CRIMES. 605 00:32:28,664 --> 00:32:30,797 THEY DON'T GET MUCH WORSE THAN THAT. 606 00:32:45,214 --> 00:32:46,913 HELLO. HOWARD VELZY. 607 00:32:54,723 --> 00:32:56,490 ARE YOU SURE? 608 00:32:56,525 --> 00:32:59,192 ARE -- ARE YOU POSITIVE? 609 00:32:59,228 --> 00:33:00,627 GOD. 610 00:33:01,997 --> 00:33:03,664 HOWARD, WHAT IS IT? 611 00:33:05,934 --> 00:33:07,534 IT'S LINDA. 612 00:33:14,109 --> 00:33:16,176 NO. 613 00:33:16,211 --> 00:33:17,444 NO, IT'S NOT TRUE. 614 00:33:17,479 --> 00:33:20,847 IT-- IT-- IT'S NOT TRUE. 615 00:33:48,377 --> 00:33:50,177 IT WAS JUST COMPLETE DEVASTATION 616 00:33:50,212 --> 00:33:54,081 THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO HAVE HER AROUND ANYMORE... 617 00:33:54,116 --> 00:33:55,949 AND WHAT SHE WENT THROUGH. 618 00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:03,924 THANK YOU SO MUCH. 619 00:34:03,959 --> 00:34:06,760 I WOULD THINK SHE WAS PROBABLY SCARED TO DEATH, 620 00:34:06,795 --> 00:34:08,328 AND RIGHTLY SO. 621 00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:20,857 GENERALLY, WHEN WE DO GET TOGETHER, 622 00:34:20,893 --> 00:34:22,125 WE DON'T REALLY GO -- 623 00:34:22,161 --> 00:34:23,894 YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY TALK MUCH ABOUT LINDA 624 00:34:23,929 --> 00:34:25,262 BECAUSE IT'S SO PAINFUL. 625 00:34:25,297 --> 00:34:26,696 WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, 626 00:34:26,732 --> 00:34:29,800 NOW WE HAVE A VENUE TO TALK TO YOU GUYS, 627 00:34:29,835 --> 00:34:32,869 AND SO... IT'S NOT AS HURTFUL. 628 00:34:32,905 --> 00:34:35,138 IT'S NOT AS PAI-- THERE'S NOT AS MUCH PAIN THERE. 629 00:34:35,174 --> 00:34:37,507 IT'S RUBBING A RAW NERVE. 630 00:34:37,543 --> 00:34:40,310 YOU KNOW, SHE WAS THE ONE SISTER THAT I HAD, 631 00:34:40,345 --> 00:34:42,579 AND I COULD TALK TO HER ABOUT ANYTHING. 632 00:34:44,116 --> 00:34:45,315 FOR A LONG TIME, 633 00:34:45,350 --> 00:34:48,151 ONE OF THE WORST THINGS TO DO WAS TO WAKE UP. 634 00:34:48,187 --> 00:34:49,820 AND IT WOULD HIT ME WITH -- 635 00:34:49,855 --> 00:34:54,024 AND YOU JUST -- I JUST WOULD FEEL... 636 00:34:54,059 --> 00:34:55,225 AGONIZED. 637 00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:58,161 NOW, THIS WAS NOT A DREAM. THIS WAS FOR REAL. 638 00:34:58,197 --> 00:35:02,566 IT WAS JUST, HOW COULD WE EVER GET THROUGH THIS? 639 00:35:06,271 --> 00:35:08,271 IN A TYPED CONFESSION, 640 00:35:08,307 --> 00:35:10,540 RICKY KNAPP REVEALS WHAT HAPPENED 641 00:35:10,576 --> 00:35:14,177 THE NIGHT HE MURDERED LINDA VELZY. 642 00:35:14,213 --> 00:35:20,283 HE SAID THAT HE HAD BEEN TO THE BLACK CAT BAR. 643 00:35:21,987 --> 00:35:25,889 THEN HE LEFT, AND HE WAS GOING UP WEST STREET, I THINK, 644 00:35:25,924 --> 00:35:29,292 AND SAW THIS GIRL HITCH-HIKING, 645 00:35:29,328 --> 00:35:31,094 SO HE STOPPED AND PICKED HER UP. 646 00:35:35,834 --> 00:35:38,568 THANK YOU SO MUCH. 647 00:35:40,205 --> 00:35:42,205 I WAS NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT HIKE IN THE COLD. 648 00:35:43,542 --> 00:35:48,879 AS YOU PROCEED UP WEST STREET TOWARDS THE CAMPUS, 649 00:35:48,914 --> 00:35:51,648 IF YOU DON'T TURN -- MAKE A RIGHT TURN INTO THE CAMPUS 650 00:35:51,683 --> 00:35:53,517 AND PROCEED ON UP WEST STREET, 651 00:35:53,552 --> 00:35:55,685 IT'S VERY RURAL. 652 00:35:55,721 --> 00:35:56,920 A LOT OF A WOODED AREA AND THAT. 653 00:35:56,955 --> 00:35:59,222 AND SO, IF SOMEONE WAS IN A CAR 654 00:35:59,258 --> 00:36:02,125 AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GO TO CAMPUS AND THE CAR GOES BY, 655 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,827 THEY'RE GONNA GET VERY NERVOUS. 656 00:36:11,036 --> 00:36:13,336 HEY, YOU -- YOU MISSED THE TURN. 657 00:36:20,779 --> 00:36:23,580 PIECING TOGETHER KNAPP'S STATEMENT 658 00:36:23,615 --> 00:36:27,984 AND WHAT WE CAN ASCERTAIN, 659 00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:33,623 IT LOOKS LIKE THAT LINDA MUST HAVE PANICKED 660 00:36:33,659 --> 00:36:37,627 AND OPENED THE DOOR AND -- AND TRIED TO JUMP FROM THE CAR. 661 00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:43,733 AND THEN RICKY GOT OUT OF THE CAR. 662 00:36:43,769 --> 00:36:45,869 HE PUNCHED HER IN THE THROAT AND KILLED HER. 663 00:36:49,942 --> 00:36:52,042 LINDA PROBABLY WAS DEAD 664 00:36:52,077 --> 00:36:55,145 WITHIN FIVE, TEN MINUTES AT THE MOST 665 00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:56,613 FROM THE TIME SHE WAS PICKED UP 666 00:36:56,648 --> 00:37:01,284 TILL THE TIME SHE WAS DECEASED -- MURDERED. 667 00:37:05,424 --> 00:37:10,060 WE RELIVE HOW HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF HER 668 00:37:10,095 --> 00:37:11,595 AND WHAT SHE MUST HAVE GONE THROUGH. 669 00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:12,963 THAT WAS THE HARD PART, 670 00:37:12,998 --> 00:37:16,366 IS KNOWING WHAT SHE HAD TO FACE BEFORE HE KILLED HER. 671 00:37:28,113 --> 00:37:29,779 THAT WAS HARD. 672 00:37:37,489 --> 00:37:40,290 YES. 673 00:37:40,325 --> 00:37:42,225 THIS IS A CLASSIC. 674 00:37:44,029 --> 00:37:45,762 THERE'S A CAT. IT WAS MITTENS. 675 00:37:45,797 --> 00:37:48,598 AND THIS WAS HER FAVORITE. 676 00:37:48,634 --> 00:37:51,635 AND MITTENS FAVORED LINDA. 677 00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:54,070 AND I'LL TELL YOU THE STORY. 678 00:37:54,106 --> 00:37:59,609 DURING THE PERIOD BEFORE THE FUNERAL, 679 00:37:59,645 --> 00:38:01,878 WE RECEIVED PEOPLE AT OUR HOME 680 00:38:01,913 --> 00:38:03,546 RATHER THAN THROUGH THE FUNERAL HOME. 681 00:38:03,582 --> 00:38:05,482 UM... 682 00:38:05,517 --> 00:38:09,052 AND WE HAD THIS PICTURE ON AN END TABLE 683 00:38:09,087 --> 00:38:11,154 AT THE END OF THE LIVING ROOM. 684 00:38:11,189 --> 00:38:13,390 SHE WAS TRULY A GIFT. 685 00:38:14,993 --> 00:38:17,761 I'VE KNOWN HER SINCE THE FIFTH GRADE. 686 00:38:17,796 --> 00:38:19,562 THE PERSON WOULD COME IN THE ROOM. 687 00:38:19,598 --> 00:38:21,164 THAT CAT WOULD -- WHEREVER SHE WAS, 688 00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:25,168 WOULD GET UP, WALK OVER TO THE TABLE, 689 00:38:25,203 --> 00:38:27,837 SIT DOWN, 690 00:38:27,873 --> 00:38:31,875 AND WOULDN'T MOVE UNTIL THE LAST PERSON LEFT, 691 00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:33,476 DAY AFTER DAY. 692 00:38:35,514 --> 00:38:36,513 STRANGE. 693 00:38:41,219 --> 00:38:43,987 I'M SO SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS. 694 00:38:44,022 --> 00:38:46,289 IT WAS... 695 00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:48,124 IT WAS AS IF SHE WAS SAYING... 696 00:38:50,095 --> 00:38:51,861 "THIS IS MY LINDA." 697 00:39:09,948 --> 00:39:12,348 THIS IS HIM? 698 00:39:12,384 --> 00:39:14,818 HOLY COW. 699 00:39:14,853 --> 00:39:16,686 AGE DIDN'T DO MUCH FOR HIM. 700 00:39:18,523 --> 00:39:19,756 HE WAS JUST SICK. 701 00:39:19,791 --> 00:39:24,794 HE WAS... JUST A SICK MAN, YOU KNOW. 702 00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:27,831 AND...HE DIDN'T DRAW ATTENTION TO HIMSELF, 703 00:39:27,866 --> 00:39:30,200 BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT HIS EYES, THEY'RE -- 704 00:39:30,235 --> 00:39:31,835 I CALL THEM EVIL EYES. 705 00:39:33,905 --> 00:39:34,938 CAN'T EXPLAIN IT. 706 00:39:34,973 --> 00:39:36,940 IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SEE. 707 00:39:38,677 --> 00:39:39,943 AND HE HAD IT. 708 00:39:44,149 --> 00:39:45,515 THEY SENT US A NOTICE, 709 00:39:45,550 --> 00:39:49,352 AND IT WAS A FORMAL LETTER 710 00:39:49,387 --> 00:39:52,021 INDICATING THAT HE HAD DIED IN PRISON. 711 00:39:53,825 --> 00:39:57,527 THEY TALK ABOUT CLOSURE IN A CASE LIKE THIS, AND... 712 00:39:59,264 --> 00:40:00,697 ...I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE CLOSURE. 713 00:40:00,732 --> 00:40:04,667 I'M NOT EVEN SURE YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE CLOSURE. 714 00:40:04,703 --> 00:40:06,603 WE'D BE WALKING AROUND, 715 00:40:06,638 --> 00:40:11,975 AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, I'D SEE SOMEONE WITH BLOND HAIR 716 00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:13,610 FROM THE BACK. 717 00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:22,118 PART OF MY LIFE WAS DESTROYED. 718 00:40:22,154 --> 00:40:24,888 SHE LIVED A FULL LIFE, 719 00:40:24,923 --> 00:40:26,523 AS LONG AS IT LASTED. 720 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,427 JUST A NORMAL TEENAGE, HEALTHY GIRL 721 00:40:31,463 --> 00:40:34,130 THAT WAS JUST INTERESTED IN LIFE -- 722 00:40:34,166 --> 00:40:38,368 EXPERIENCE AS MUCH IN LIFE AS SHE COULD. 723 00:40:38,403 --> 00:40:40,703 AND SHE DID. 724 00:40:45,177 --> 00:40:48,611 YEAH. IT'S IN BEHIND OUR LOCAL CHURCH. 725 00:40:48,647 --> 00:40:50,947 WE WENT BY THE OTHER DAY JUST TO -- 726 00:40:50,982 --> 00:40:54,417 WELL, WE KEEP THE GRAVESTONES CLEANED AND SO FORTH 727 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:56,152 AND MAINTAINED. 728 00:40:56,188 --> 00:40:59,389 PROBABLY WHERE CAROL AND I WILL BE BURIED. 729 00:40:59,424 --> 00:41:02,192 WE HAVE GRAVESTONES THERE. 730 00:41:02,227 --> 00:41:06,763 AND AT HER GRAVE, I REMEMBER SHE WAS MY DAUGHTER. 731 00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:10,867 I'M PAYING RESPECTS... 732 00:41:10,902 --> 00:41:13,736 BUT... 733 00:41:13,772 --> 00:41:16,439 IT'S A GRAVESTONE. 734 00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:18,808 SHE'S NOT THERE. 54178

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