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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,052 So, Jacques Derrida just arrived. 2 00:00:11,594 --> 00:00:13,596 Here I am now, 3 00:00:13,930 --> 00:00:15,974 in the bizarre role 4 00:00:16,307 --> 00:00:18,435 of the radio presenter. 5 00:00:18,935 --> 00:00:22,022 He is greeting everyone, you don’t see him here he is, 6 00:00:22,605 --> 00:00:25,483 now you should see him, he must be on the screen. 7 00:00:26,276 --> 00:00:27,736 We are in two rooms. 8 00:00:28,486 --> 00:00:29,237 -Two rooms? 9 00:00:29,362 --> 00:00:31,448 -So, I’ll tell you, we have an issue. 10 00:00:31,531 --> 00:00:33,867 You have to go to both sides, 11 00:00:34,075 --> 00:00:36,202 and in fact what I was thinking of doing… 12 00:00:36,494 --> 00:00:39,205 what I thought I would do, is... 13 00:00:39,414 --> 00:00:40,832 First, 14 00:00:43,293 --> 00:00:45,879 from the bottom of their hearts, everyone thanks you 15 00:00:46,129 --> 00:00:49,632 for being here, for us it is a joy, 16 00:00:50,633 --> 00:00:53,970 and since we are in two rooms it is very cruel, 17 00:00:54,220 --> 00:00:56,306 but I am dividing the cruelty in two parts, 18 00:00:56,556 --> 00:01:00,435 we'll go to the other room, so that you will see it 19 00:01:00,810 --> 00:01:03,855 and they will see you in the flesh, 20 00:01:06,191 --> 00:01:09,152 because, really… 21 00:01:09,402 --> 00:01:12,030 Here, wait, I’ll go along with you. 22 00:03:39,969 --> 00:03:41,721 Ok, wait. 23 00:03:44,057 --> 00:03:46,309 I don’t know which side it is. 24 00:03:50,563 --> 00:03:54,526 Those are his comments about my own text, you see. 25 00:04:03,326 --> 00:04:05,537 What’s intriguing is that 26 00:04:06,913 --> 00:04:12,168 you try to read, and the words are precisely about “seeing.” 27 00:04:18,008 --> 00:04:20,593 That's the other side. 28 00:04:20,885 --> 00:04:26,016 “I write this while flying over the Cordillera of the Andes...” 29 00:04:32,605 --> 00:04:37,694 “Snowy.” “Snowy.” 30 00:04:42,407 --> 00:04:46,286 So, you received this? Or did he hand it to you in person? 31 00:04:46,995 --> 00:04:48,288 He gave it to me. 32 00:04:49,330 --> 00:04:51,624 But he told me not to open it. 33 00:04:54,961 --> 00:04:57,589 This is his. 34 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,925 Of course, he chose this, you see. 35 00:05:05,388 --> 00:05:08,475 So that's one. 36 00:05:08,975 --> 00:05:09,434 That’s... 37 00:05:12,020 --> 00:05:13,980 another one. 38 00:05:18,693 --> 00:05:20,612 Double-sided. 39 00:05:41,716 --> 00:05:43,385 Listen to this: 40 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:53,561 “Create more wavy sentences, less assertive narration” 41 00:05:57,857 --> 00:05:59,526 Do you remember the way you read it? 42 00:05:59,734 --> 00:06:01,403 How I read it? 43 00:06:03,738 --> 00:06:06,199 Well, you know, I didn’t even know that I had it. 44 00:06:06,783 --> 00:06:09,411 Because I have a lot of stuff, you know. 45 00:06:11,663 --> 00:06:15,291 I have lots of beautiful things here. 46 00:06:15,917 --> 00:06:18,712 But you know, when you are living 47 00:06:19,629 --> 00:06:22,632 you don’t really try to keep or consume. 48 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:28,722 So everything I have 49 00:06:29,848 --> 00:06:35,103 is here in drawers and I never attempted to, to… 50 00:06:40,525 --> 00:06:43,153 It’s pell-mell in my drawers, 51 00:06:44,070 --> 00:06:49,492 and it’s by pure chance that, once, I opened one of my countless drawers 52 00:06:50,035 --> 00:06:54,247 and found this, that I had completely forgotten. Because, 53 00:06:54,914 --> 00:06:58,543 again, when you’re living you’re not keeping. 54 00:06:58,877 --> 00:07:00,962 At least, you never think about keeping. 55 00:07:01,212 --> 00:07:03,256 It’s kept, it keeps itself without… 56 00:07:04,841 --> 00:07:08,470 a very free motion without… 57 00:07:11,222 --> 00:07:12,766 I tell you, I had completely forgotten it, 58 00:07:12,849 --> 00:07:13,933 like many other things 59 00:07:14,059 --> 00:07:16,311 because if I had kept track of it, 60 00:07:16,561 --> 00:07:17,896 it would have been funerary, 61 00:07:18,146 --> 00:07:20,148 when in fact it was anything but that. 62 00:07:20,565 --> 00:07:23,985 That’s always the basic paradox of the secret. If you keep it, 63 00:07:24,986 --> 00:07:28,531 it is so well kept that it becomes pointless, as a “secret for yourself.” 64 00:07:29,032 --> 00:07:32,285 To the contrary, if you divulge it, 65 00:07:33,286 --> 00:07:35,080 it’s lost. 66 00:07:38,958 --> 00:07:41,294 If you project yourself 67 00:07:43,088 --> 00:07:45,965 in this ideal human configuration 68 00:07:46,174 --> 00:07:48,551 that when you die, 69 00:07:49,427 --> 00:07:53,014 there’s a testamentary executor 70 00:07:53,723 --> 00:07:55,558 who is in your trace, 71 00:07:56,142 --> 00:07:59,854 who loves the same things you do, 72 00:08:00,230 --> 00:08:05,151 who trembles before living documents that pulsate, 73 00:08:06,111 --> 00:08:09,406 someone who sees how the heart of the text beats, etc., 74 00:08:09,948 --> 00:08:13,535 in this configuration, the successors 75 00:08:14,077 --> 00:08:17,664 can bring these beauties to light, they can... 76 00:08:17,831 --> 00:08:20,959 but the problem is that it never happens! 77 00:08:22,335 --> 00:08:25,588 There is no succession. 78 00:08:29,217 --> 00:08:33,179 But you know there are treasures here. So sometimes, I tell myself... 79 00:08:33,888 --> 00:08:37,517 That’s what I say, you can believe me. That’s all. 80 00:10:32,215 --> 00:10:34,801 In the history of what I have written, 81 00:10:35,427 --> 00:10:38,805 I very quickly felt that 82 00:10:41,433 --> 00:10:43,935 everything I was writing was related to death, 83 00:10:44,185 --> 00:10:46,354 that it was death that brought me literature. 84 00:10:46,730 --> 00:10:48,732 It started with my father, 85 00:10:49,441 --> 00:10:51,818 and then for years and years, 86 00:10:52,110 --> 00:10:55,280 I cultivated death, I cultivated the dead and death. 87 00:11:00,660 --> 00:11:02,620 And anyway it was my lot. 88 00:11:07,709 --> 00:11:09,961 And with time, 89 00:11:11,129 --> 00:11:14,007 I began to say to myself, but it was rather late, 90 00:11:14,424 --> 00:11:16,092 I must have been writing for 20 years, 91 00:11:16,343 --> 00:11:17,761 questioning, 92 00:11:18,178 --> 00:11:20,764 and finally, feeling uneasy 93 00:11:21,431 --> 00:11:23,975 and anxious that 94 00:11:24,434 --> 00:11:28,521 I was free to write because my father was dead! 95 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:34,402 There was this absolute taboo 96 00:11:36,279 --> 00:11:40,575 regarding the treatment of living beings in literature. 97 00:11:43,036 --> 00:11:45,288 it was a taboo that I respected. 98 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:49,376 Never touch the living, 99 00:11:50,001 --> 00:11:52,420 so that the dead were dead, 100 00:11:52,754 --> 00:11:55,256 and the living were dead too 101 00:11:56,091 --> 00:11:58,677 since they weren’t present in my writing. 102 00:12:06,726 --> 00:12:08,478 When my father died, 103 00:12:08,728 --> 00:12:11,481 very brutally, and when I was 11, 10 years old, 104 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:13,441 he disappeared. 105 00:12:13,650 --> 00:12:17,404 As my mother put it, “poof” and... 106 00:12:17,946 --> 00:12:20,699 I couldn’t bear it. I couldn’t understand it 107 00:12:20,949 --> 00:12:22,409 because they loved each other, 108 00:12:22,534 --> 00:12:24,994 they were a happy, joyful couple. 109 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:28,248 And so I shook my mother, like that! 110 00:12:28,415 --> 00:12:30,667 I grabbed her, shook her, 111 00:12:30,875 --> 00:12:32,335 I said “but, but tell me!”… 112 00:12:32,627 --> 00:12:36,297 she was… there was nothing more. Nothing more. 113 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,179 And I couldn’t bear it when I was that age. 114 00:12:44,264 --> 00:12:45,724 Later, 115 00:12:46,725 --> 00:12:51,896 I loved my mother for that, I loved her tenderly, 116 00:12:52,272 --> 00:12:57,736 telling myself that…, when I finally understood 117 00:12:58,028 --> 00:13:00,947 what my mother never explained to me, of course, 118 00:13:01,156 --> 00:13:03,783 I told myself that it was terrible, 119 00:13:04,868 --> 00:13:09,706 the fact that my father had to be replaced by such a tomb. 120 00:13:16,338 --> 00:13:20,425 And... that’s how it was. 121 00:13:45,742 --> 00:13:47,160 I was born in Algeria 122 00:13:47,869 --> 00:13:50,955 I was born in Algeria 123 00:13:51,373 --> 00:13:54,042 When people ask me, I say, I was born in Algeria. 124 00:13:54,292 --> 00:13:57,629 For me, this remains a pronouncement 125 00:13:57,921 --> 00:14:00,465 that is both true and mysterious. 126 00:14:01,174 --> 00:14:04,636 But, I wasn’t born “from” Algeria. 127 00:14:05,053 --> 00:14:07,889 I was born in Algeria 128 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:14,688 with an over-determination that was inscribed. 129 00:14:15,021 --> 00:14:18,483 It was written that I would leave Algeria. 130 00:14:19,317 --> 00:14:22,612 That Algeria was not mine, and that 131 00:14:23,238 --> 00:14:25,782 I was assigned to Algeria, 132 00:14:26,324 --> 00:14:29,327 only in a partial, complex manner, 133 00:14:29,828 --> 00:14:32,247 as one belongs to a native land. 134 00:14:32,455 --> 00:14:34,666 This is also an extraordinary mystery. 135 00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:38,628 At the same time, 136 00:14:40,046 --> 00:14:42,007 because my mother is from Germany 137 00:14:42,173 --> 00:14:43,842 and I was raised in an environment 138 00:14:44,175 --> 00:14:45,510 that was 139 00:14:45,802 --> 00:14:48,722 German speaking and filled with German culture, 140 00:14:50,849 --> 00:14:53,935 I also felt that I was born of Germany, 141 00:14:54,436 --> 00:14:56,771 of a Germany 142 00:14:57,230 --> 00:14:59,190 that I had never set foot in… 143 00:15:01,026 --> 00:15:04,362 whence my mom 144 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:08,783 and her family had been able to extricate themselves... 145 00:15:09,034 --> 00:15:11,161 whence my mother had to escape... 146 00:15:12,662 --> 00:15:16,791 As soon as she witnessed Hitler’s rise, 147 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:18,752 she fled. 148 00:15:22,380 --> 00:15:26,801 But then, one must bear in mind that I was not French. 149 00:15:27,635 --> 00:15:30,555 But that I had two countries that contain “Ger-”. 150 00:15:31,222 --> 00:15:33,558 And that suited me, because I thought, 151 00:15:34,642 --> 00:15:36,019 we say “ger” 152 00:15:36,186 --> 00:15:39,105 and then, depending on the moment, it'll be 153 00:15:39,481 --> 00:15:42,609 Al-GER-ia” or “GER-many.” 154 00:15:42,901 --> 00:15:46,988 One contained the other, or was superimposed. 155 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,241 And what’s more, I had discovered a trick: 156 00:15:50,617 --> 00:15:52,869 “Oran,” my birthplace, 157 00:15:53,495 --> 00:15:56,831 anagrammatically, was contained within “Osnabrück,” 158 00:15:57,123 --> 00:15:58,667 my mother's hometown, 159 00:15:58,917 --> 00:16:01,586 so I thought, that's how I was born, Oran in Osnabrück. 160 00:16:02,921 --> 00:16:07,133 I had barely learned how to walk when, with the anti-Semitic laws of Vichy, 161 00:16:07,634 --> 00:16:10,804 we were thrown out of French nationality. 162 00:16:11,179 --> 00:16:14,391 My father was prohibited from practicing medicine 163 00:16:14,557 --> 00:16:16,643 and I wasn’t allowed to go to school, etc., 164 00:16:16,851 --> 00:16:18,561 all of these anti-Jewish laws. 165 00:16:18,728 --> 00:16:20,522 This was a formative experience. 166 00:16:21,106 --> 00:16:23,650 Later, it's: “Okay, the Americans are coming, 167 00:16:24,067 --> 00:16:28,029 you can go back to school.” But you’re being stared at! 168 00:16:29,114 --> 00:16:32,158 Why feel the slightest resentment? 169 00:16:32,367 --> 00:16:33,576 That wouldn’t make sense. 170 00:16:33,743 --> 00:16:37,747 World history, the history of humanity, is made up of events of this kind. 171 00:16:38,164 --> 00:16:39,958 It’s made up of losses, 172 00:16:41,042 --> 00:16:43,545 expulsions, 173 00:16:44,129 --> 00:16:46,715 these are widespread experiences. 174 00:16:49,384 --> 00:16:54,639 It follows that I cannot tell myself the fable 175 00:16:55,598 --> 00:16:58,643 that I have a stable French identity. 176 00:16:59,728 --> 00:17:02,522 Now the French state, through its administrative procedures, 177 00:17:02,856 --> 00:17:05,442 never misses an opportunity to remind me of this fact. 178 00:17:05,984 --> 00:17:07,527 “I am a French writer, 179 00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:09,237 and I’ll let you handle the messy paperwork!” 180 00:17:09,362 --> 00:17:11,448 I remain undocumented, with no passport, 181 00:17:11,573 --> 00:17:13,992 it just takes me years to renew it! 182 00:17:15,118 --> 00:17:18,705 So this fantasy of a “pure race” 183 00:17:18,955 --> 00:17:21,124 is something that exasperates me. 184 00:17:22,667 --> 00:17:26,004 That’s why I am always very happy 185 00:17:27,714 --> 00:17:30,383 to be suspected 186 00:17:31,968 --> 00:17:35,305 and denounced as not-quite-French. 187 00:18:21,726 --> 00:18:24,145 Let’s pick one, randomly, as if I was playing cards: 188 00:18:24,771 --> 00:18:26,856 this one I draw, 189 00:18:27,357 --> 00:18:29,234 features my father, he’s young, 190 00:18:30,068 --> 00:18:32,487 on the balcony in Oran. 191 00:18:33,613 --> 00:18:37,033 I observe him with curiosity because of his anatomy, 192 00:18:37,409 --> 00:18:40,954 because he was a man who was so very thin. 193 00:18:41,579 --> 00:18:44,416 At the same time, he was very elegant. 194 00:18:44,708 --> 00:18:46,668 This is a delicious photo 195 00:18:47,127 --> 00:18:49,504 of my mother and my aunt 196 00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:51,047 in Osnabrück. 197 00:18:51,506 --> 00:18:54,009 I cannot see the details. 198 00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:57,137 My impression is that it may be... 199 00:18:57,971 --> 00:19:00,640 may be in Strasbourg. 200 00:19:01,933 --> 00:19:03,685 These are pretty photos. 201 00:19:04,728 --> 00:19:07,439 This is… here, it’s noted 202 00:19:07,772 --> 00:19:10,150 in my mother’s handwriting, which didn’t change. 203 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,778 From 1938, when she wrote this, 204 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:16,823 until the end of her life, 205 00:19:16,990 --> 00:19:19,075 she wrote in exactly the same way. 206 00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:21,494 And it’s written: “Hélène enjoying 207 00:19:21,911 --> 00:19:24,789 her first birthday on the 5th”... This is interesting: 208 00:19:25,206 --> 00:19:26,916 “5 Juni, 209 00:19:27,876 --> 00:19:29,127 1937”. 210 00:19:29,377 --> 00:19:32,130 She slipped from one language to another. 211 00:19:32,422 --> 00:19:35,508 Which means that at that moment, her French was not yet 212 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,677 dominant and inscribed. 213 00:19:37,969 --> 00:19:41,765 That’s Hélène enjoying her first birthday. 214 00:19:43,224 --> 00:19:46,770 That’s another photo where we were still very young. 215 00:19:47,103 --> 00:19:48,855 It looks like I was two years old, 216 00:19:49,105 --> 00:19:51,232 on the balcony, in Oran, there's my father, 217 00:19:51,816 --> 00:19:53,485 mother and us. 218 00:19:55,612 --> 00:19:59,616 What I saw from the balcony of Philippe street in Oran 219 00:20:00,241 --> 00:20:03,203 appeared in a very theatrical structure. 220 00:20:04,371 --> 00:20:06,748 Our balcony went to the edge of the street, 221 00:20:06,956 --> 00:20:08,416 to the corner of the Place d’Armes. 222 00:20:08,583 --> 00:20:12,128 This location was where the whole history of Oran was taking place. 223 00:20:12,671 --> 00:20:15,715 And so, we saw everything, all the time. 224 00:20:15,882 --> 00:20:18,718 To the right, there was a theater. In the front was the City hall. 225 00:20:18,927 --> 00:20:21,805 To the left was the military 226 00:20:22,389 --> 00:20:24,432 and in this square, there was always, 227 00:20:24,683 --> 00:20:25,809 throughout my childhood, 228 00:20:26,017 --> 00:20:27,686 the army. Always. 229 00:20:28,853 --> 00:20:32,065 I saw, I don’t know how many parades… 230 00:20:32,399 --> 00:20:35,902 before the war, the parades of the Zouaves, 231 00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:39,406 and then, all of the armies involved 232 00:20:39,698 --> 00:20:42,158 in the Second World War: 233 00:20:42,575 --> 00:20:44,285 the Petainist parades, 234 00:20:44,744 --> 00:20:47,956 then, the arrival of the Americans in 1942. 235 00:20:52,877 --> 00:20:55,964 This is a cute photo, when we were at the beach. 236 00:20:56,256 --> 00:20:58,174 We were still happy: 237 00:20:58,591 --> 00:21:01,886 “baby...” Like my mother wrote - ah no, this is my grandmother! 238 00:21:02,721 --> 00:21:04,931 My grandmother, Omi, wrote 239 00:21:05,515 --> 00:21:08,393 “Baby, fast drei Monate alt,” 240 00:21:08,685 --> 00:21:10,812 almost three months old. 241 00:21:10,937 --> 00:21:12,230 Baby, that’s me, 242 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,024 almost three months. 243 00:21:14,232 --> 00:21:16,735 And they were still happy, they were at the beach, 244 00:21:16,860 --> 00:21:19,154 since it was before the war. 245 00:21:23,742 --> 00:21:27,495 This is a photo of Omi my grandma. Young Omi. 246 00:21:27,746 --> 00:21:30,331 Rosalie, Rosie. 247 00:21:31,332 --> 00:21:32,959 Isn’t she beautiful? 248 00:21:34,544 --> 00:21:36,963 She is a totally free woman. 249 00:21:38,882 --> 00:21:42,510 And to whom I… I woke up late 250 00:21:43,553 --> 00:21:48,391 and I don’t know, when she lived among us, one day, 251 00:21:48,725 --> 00:21:52,437 I told her, like that, I went to her room and asked her 252 00:21:53,188 --> 00:21:57,108 “Omi, do you believe in God?” 253 00:21:57,442 --> 00:22:02,280 She said “of course not!” “Natürlich nicht, are you kidding?” 254 00:22:02,822 --> 00:22:07,327 I said, “I suspected that! But then why did you introduce us 255 00:22:07,744 --> 00:22:10,163 to the Jewish religion, to its rites?” 256 00:22:10,455 --> 00:22:12,040 She told me, “Because it’s beautiful. 257 00:22:12,290 --> 00:22:17,087 Because my parents believed and I am loyal to their beliefs. 258 00:22:17,212 --> 00:22:19,714 Buy I don't have the faith." 259 00:22:20,131 --> 00:22:23,677 So with that momentum, I asked her, 260 00:22:26,471 --> 00:22:28,682 “Did you have any Kümmerer?” 261 00:22:29,057 --> 00:22:30,308 This means lovers. 262 00:22:30,475 --> 00:22:33,186 “Natürlich! Natürlich!” 263 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:38,608 “I had to have some lovers, just a few!” 264 00:22:41,277 --> 00:22:43,530 What was funny, it was... 265 00:22:44,155 --> 00:22:48,451 only when I became a woman that I realized that she was a woman, 266 00:22:48,702 --> 00:22:50,745 and not only my grandmother. 267 00:22:51,121 --> 00:22:54,874 So, she had extremely funny stories. 268 00:22:55,208 --> 00:23:01,214 There was never any hostile speech. 269 00:23:02,674 --> 00:23:06,344 My mother and grandmother did not raise me 270 00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:12,892 to be a Germanophobe. Not at all. 271 00:23:14,352 --> 00:23:17,063 There was a great, terrible schism 272 00:23:17,397 --> 00:23:19,816 with the Nazis/the Germans. 273 00:23:24,112 --> 00:23:28,033 And of course, France played the most terrible role 274 00:23:28,783 --> 00:23:31,953 throughout my childhood years. 275 00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:38,335 And that is ineffaceable. 276 00:23:57,187 --> 00:23:59,230 That's Marga and her brother. 277 00:23:59,356 --> 00:24:00,940 Who died too. 278 00:24:01,274 --> 00:24:03,651 All these photos are of Marga. 279 00:24:05,028 --> 00:24:07,530 There, that’s my mother. 280 00:24:11,201 --> 00:24:13,745 Arthur Baruth. 281 00:24:14,454 --> 00:24:16,456 He has become a legendary figure 282 00:24:16,623 --> 00:24:19,084 I introduced him into many of my texts. 283 00:24:19,334 --> 00:24:22,045 He was a rabbi who had lost his faith! 284 00:24:22,545 --> 00:24:25,340 The poor substitute rabbi of Osnabrück, 285 00:24:25,465 --> 00:24:27,717 who died from losing his faith! 286 00:24:27,884 --> 00:24:30,178 He had to be a rabbi to make a living, 287 00:24:30,345 --> 00:24:33,473 he couldn’t do anything else as he was too kind, 288 00:24:33,848 --> 00:24:36,017 but he didn’t believe in God… 289 00:24:36,434 --> 00:24:38,812 And he was madly in love with my mother. 290 00:24:39,062 --> 00:24:40,855 "My Dear Eve, 291 00:24:47,153 --> 00:24:49,197 “To you, my Eve, 292 00:24:49,364 --> 00:24:52,283 the best of me, 293 00:24:52,450 --> 00:24:53,576 nothing, 294 00:24:53,827 --> 00:24:55,412 neither destiny, 295 00:24:55,662 --> 00:24:56,746 nor pain, 296 00:24:57,038 --> 00:24:58,707 can separate us, 297 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,875 I will always be near you. 298 00:25:01,042 --> 00:25:04,879 I will always be, entirely, your Arthur.” 299 00:25:07,841 --> 00:25:09,884 And she never loved him. 300 00:25:12,220 --> 00:25:15,223 He was a good-natured gentleman... 301 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:21,146 who lost touch with reality 302 00:25:21,229 --> 00:25:23,940 because when he had to preach at the synagogue, 303 00:25:24,232 --> 00:25:26,901 he began to stammer and he forgot everything! 304 00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:30,196 Because God was whipping him! 305 00:25:35,243 --> 00:25:39,039 Everything is always autobiographical, but what does that mean? 306 00:25:39,956 --> 00:25:43,335 I tend, “I” refers to you, me, we, 307 00:25:46,629 --> 00:25:49,341 tend to privilege, 308 00:25:50,425 --> 00:25:51,968 to save, 309 00:25:52,302 --> 00:25:54,721 to raise, or to lower, 310 00:25:55,013 --> 00:26:00,143 finally, we “edit” reality, all the time, permanently. 311 00:26:26,294 --> 00:26:28,171 The sweeper passes the broom, 312 00:26:28,505 --> 00:26:30,548 between the living and the dying, 313 00:26:31,675 --> 00:26:33,677 life wipes away death, 314 00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:35,970 the broomstick run along the edge of the end, 315 00:26:36,179 --> 00:26:38,431 sniffing the flush on the ground. It’s skinny, 316 00:26:38,682 --> 00:26:41,935 it's all that remains of a flexible broom. 317 00:26:42,268 --> 00:26:46,356 As you know, the broom is a broom shrub. 318 00:26:58,660 --> 00:27:05,125 It’s an example: Today we're going to do some Cézanne. 319 00:27:38,283 --> 00:27:41,745 Do you remember your first time, when you first discovered Paris? 320 00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:43,329 Oh, it was atrocious! 321 00:27:43,872 --> 00:27:46,499 I was 18 and I had just gotten married. 322 00:27:47,042 --> 00:27:51,588 I suffered terribly, terribly. 323 00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:54,507 I hated it. 324 00:27:55,383 --> 00:27:57,844 I felt completely foreign, in every aspect. 325 00:27:58,053 --> 00:28:00,138 I couldn’t stand Parisian buildings. 326 00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:04,017 I found it incredible that there was red carpet on the stairs. 327 00:28:04,434 --> 00:28:06,144 But I came from Algeria, you understand! 328 00:28:06,353 --> 00:28:09,439 I said to myself, “I can’t believe it! How do these people live?!” 329 00:28:10,273 --> 00:28:11,900 I found it stuffy, ugly. 330 00:28:12,108 --> 00:28:15,195 The city hadn’t been cleaned up yet. 331 00:28:15,987 --> 00:28:18,907 It was dark. Everything was dark, and dirty, 332 00:28:19,324 --> 00:28:22,118 and unbreathable, and mean. 333 00:28:23,286 --> 00:28:26,331 I absolutely revolted against Paris. 334 00:28:27,832 --> 00:28:31,670 I thought the monuments... I was missing the ocean. 335 00:28:34,923 --> 00:28:37,425 It was my first time in France. 336 00:28:38,843 --> 00:28:43,640 And the only thing I could throw myself into was the Sorbonne. 337 00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:50,605 And, so, here, we’ll pass by the Sorbonne, 338 00:28:51,606 --> 00:28:53,900 and that’s how I met Derrida. 339 00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:57,404 When I was 18. I walked into an auditorium, 340 00:28:57,987 --> 00:28:59,698 and that was it. 341 00:29:02,158 --> 00:29:04,953 As I recounted and as he wrote, 342 00:29:05,161 --> 00:29:09,124 I sat in this lecture hall which also appeared to me as the supreme horror, 343 00:29:09,332 --> 00:29:11,418 because it looked like a court, 344 00:29:11,751 --> 00:29:15,005 with old wooden benches, I sat down way at the back 345 00:29:15,213 --> 00:29:16,589 and there was a young man 346 00:29:16,756 --> 00:29:20,593 who was giving a great lesson in philosophy, 347 00:29:20,677 --> 00:29:22,512 that I listened to. 348 00:29:26,266 --> 00:29:30,395 All of that is ineffaceable! 349 00:29:59,257 --> 00:30:02,844 So, I'll tell you what the title is. 350 00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:08,433 “The last painters of the earth!” 351 00:30:09,601 --> 00:30:11,686 Yes, yes, that's it. 352 00:30:11,978 --> 00:30:17,192 You could almost imagine that he is carrying a baby. 353 00:30:20,028 --> 00:30:22,697 It’s a sweeper-mother. 354 00:30:26,201 --> 00:30:28,745 It’s the Pieta, who carries 355 00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:32,082 the misfortune of the world! 356 00:30:34,042 --> 00:30:35,752 So, what are you up to here? 357 00:30:36,127 --> 00:30:38,088 I'll show you the latest creations. Come on. 358 00:30:39,089 --> 00:30:40,840 I call this “Citizen,” 359 00:30:41,091 --> 00:30:45,428 the child playing with a soldier. 360 00:30:47,681 --> 00:30:50,850 White porcelain. 361 00:30:51,226 --> 00:30:53,687 That one is “Chicos.” 362 00:30:55,355 --> 00:30:59,984 named this “Chicos,” in Spanish. 363 00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:08,868 And so, we don’t know, is it child's play or is it a “real” game? 364 00:31:09,369 --> 00:31:14,416 You see all those school children playing with guns... 365 00:31:14,958 --> 00:31:19,921 that's what happens in Los Angeles, in the United States. 366 00:31:25,802 --> 00:31:28,096 ... And those are drawings, 367 00:31:29,556 --> 00:31:31,599 little ones, big ones... 368 00:31:32,767 --> 00:31:34,853 Deborah Kerr 369 00:31:35,145 --> 00:31:38,606 and Burt Lancaster, the famous kiss... 370 00:31:39,024 --> 00:31:42,402 I think that Hollywood has produced only one true erotic work, 371 00:31:42,736 --> 00:31:44,654 That's the only one for me, 372 00:31:45,030 --> 00:31:49,075 the craziest of all. 373 00:31:49,325 --> 00:31:52,912 1954. 374 00:31:53,621 --> 00:31:56,666 In Algeria, none of the movies ever show kisses. 375 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,918 They cut them out. 376 00:31:59,127 --> 00:32:02,172 You have to re-watch all of the movies in order to see the kisses! 377 00:32:02,339 --> 00:32:03,506 Films by Hitchcock... 378 00:32:03,631 --> 00:32:06,217 Algerians love suspense! 379 00:32:06,384 --> 00:32:08,303 They know it by heart. 380 00:32:09,554 --> 00:32:11,848 It feeds the imagination. 381 00:32:12,015 --> 00:32:13,808 Yes. Right. 382 00:32:14,893 --> 00:32:18,355 In Algeria, for example, the story of the TV series Dallas… 383 00:32:18,646 --> 00:32:21,316 for the entire world, it's a love story, right? 384 00:32:21,441 --> 00:32:23,651 Whether you like it or not, it's Dallas. 385 00:32:23,735 --> 00:32:28,239 But for the Algerians, it's the story of American bureaucracy! 386 00:32:28,531 --> 00:32:31,409 Because in Dallas, they type, they are typists, 387 00:32:31,659 --> 00:32:34,829 they are at the office, and when they come home, they start typing again! 388 00:32:34,954 --> 00:32:39,042 He never kisses Sue Ellen, Pamela and all that! 389 00:32:39,584 --> 00:32:43,797 The kisses were censored! 390 00:32:48,968 --> 00:32:52,013 That's why I think “The Insurrection of Dust” was just perfect. 391 00:32:52,263 --> 00:32:54,349 Because that's what Adel does. 392 00:32:54,724 --> 00:32:57,477 He stirs up dust. 393 00:33:01,981 --> 00:33:04,484 I say that “I am a without-country.” 394 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,570 Of course, I have a common country with Adel, 395 00:33:07,821 --> 00:33:09,322 but obviously 396 00:33:10,740 --> 00:33:14,077 it's not the country-nation, it's another country. 397 00:33:14,244 --> 00:33:17,997 And, “my” native country has never been “mine.” 398 00:33:18,832 --> 00:33:22,544 Even if I have loved its innocent beauty. 399 00:33:23,128 --> 00:33:26,339 As soon as I was able to think, I thought of running away. 400 00:33:26,673 --> 00:33:28,758 So that's like Adel, right? 401 00:33:29,175 --> 00:33:31,886 I think that the two of us are 402 00:33:32,554 --> 00:33:37,475 “runawayers.” 403 00:33:37,892 --> 00:33:39,728 We are departing from Algeria, 404 00:33:40,020 --> 00:33:44,899 from the “infinite ambiguity of ‘my’ ‘country’ on this earth.” 405 00:33:46,067 --> 00:33:50,697 “I have never even been allowed to be ‘abandonable’ by Algeria,” 406 00:33:51,072 --> 00:33:53,324 because I was in internal exclusion from this country, 407 00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:55,702 a beautiful country loaded with chains, 408 00:33:56,202 --> 00:33:59,080 that creates barriers and muzzles, 409 00:33:59,539 --> 00:34:03,668 and as you said, Algeria also cultivates censorship... 410 00:34:04,461 --> 00:34:07,422 I feel how Algeria abandoned you. 411 00:34:08,423 --> 00:34:11,926 You said that it wasn’t you who abandoned Algeria, 412 00:34:12,093 --> 00:34:14,471 but that it abandoned you in advance... 413 00:34:14,804 --> 00:34:18,099 Yes, it even tried to eliminate me. 414 00:34:49,798 --> 00:34:51,091 What a shame. 415 00:34:58,223 --> 00:35:02,227 She should be there. 416 00:35:02,644 --> 00:35:06,314 They must have a switchboard and block the lines. 417 00:36:19,971 --> 00:36:24,809 Oh no! He gave me that same number, that’s her number! 418 00:36:25,769 --> 00:36:29,356 Today she isn’t picking up the phone. 419 00:36:35,945 --> 00:36:37,822 That was quite funny! 420 00:36:38,073 --> 00:36:40,325 It’s the Sabbath! Of course. 421 00:36:42,535 --> 00:36:46,206 We’ll try Marga another time. 422 00:36:47,332 --> 00:36:48,792 How did you track Marga down? 423 00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:51,503 How did I track her down? 424 00:36:52,087 --> 00:36:56,007 Yes, how did you retrace her itinerary? She fled to Ireland... 425 00:36:56,383 --> 00:37:00,720 Marga is my mother’s first cousin. She was my mother’s age, 426 00:37:01,137 --> 00:37:03,515 so now she is 105 years old. 427 00:37:05,141 --> 00:37:07,018 She’s the one 428 00:37:07,227 --> 00:37:09,312 who hosted me 429 00:37:09,729 --> 00:37:12,148 when I first went to Europe. 430 00:37:12,482 --> 00:37:14,275 When my mother sent me 431 00:37:14,818 --> 00:37:16,069 from Algeria 432 00:37:16,403 --> 00:37:17,862 to England, 433 00:37:18,154 --> 00:37:22,617 I stayed in the Carlebach home 434 00:37:22,992 --> 00:37:25,245 and started learning English. 435 00:37:25,745 --> 00:37:30,834 She lived in a London neighborhood called “Golders Green.” 436 00:37:31,042 --> 00:37:33,962 It was a very Jewish neighborhood, 437 00:37:34,337 --> 00:37:36,464 but I was oblivious to that at the time. 438 00:37:36,673 --> 00:37:38,717 I simply thought I was in England. 439 00:37:39,134 --> 00:37:40,760 My father was an atheist. 440 00:37:40,927 --> 00:37:42,512 So were my mother and my grandmother, 441 00:37:42,595 --> 00:37:44,639 even though they didn’t show it. 442 00:37:44,806 --> 00:37:47,392 They were in the footprints of a long history, 443 00:37:49,102 --> 00:37:52,564 and when I saw the practices of the Jewish religion, 444 00:37:52,814 --> 00:37:54,107 I found them appalling. 445 00:37:54,399 --> 00:37:57,736 I thought it was a heap of superstitions, 446 00:37:58,194 --> 00:38:01,239 with practices that were unworthy practices. 447 00:38:01,698 --> 00:38:03,742 For example, the repression of women. 448 00:38:04,117 --> 00:38:05,535 And the fear of women. 449 00:38:05,994 --> 00:38:07,412 The rejection of women. 450 00:38:07,871 --> 00:38:11,374 “Do not touch a woman,” etc., all these things I saw 451 00:38:11,791 --> 00:38:13,877 and found inadmissible. 452 00:38:14,544 --> 00:38:16,880 And these practices were not at all related, 453 00:38:17,380 --> 00:38:19,215 in my personal experience, 454 00:38:19,883 --> 00:38:23,345 to something that I would have found noble. 455 00:38:24,346 --> 00:38:28,058 I did not feel at ease with the detached community, 456 00:38:29,434 --> 00:38:33,521 although one could understand 457 00:38:34,064 --> 00:38:38,026 that the Jewish community was traumatized by the war. 458 00:38:46,701 --> 00:38:51,790 Aside from that, I had no sympathy for any religion. 459 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,248 When you write for the theater, does your writing style change? 460 00:39:33,665 --> 00:39:35,000 Completely. 461 00:39:37,127 --> 00:39:41,214 Radically, because here my writing is not entirely mine. 462 00:39:41,631 --> 00:39:45,385 Because at the Théâtre du Soleil, characters take the center stage. 463 00:39:45,593 --> 00:39:47,804 It's not a theater grounded in texts. 464 00:39:48,972 --> 00:39:51,808 So I have to lend 465 00:39:52,267 --> 00:39:55,854 my verbal powers 466 00:39:56,813 --> 00:40:00,483 to different characters who incarnate the possibility 467 00:40:00,984 --> 00:40:06,031 of several different writings. I have to perform collective writing. 468 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:15,457 Oh I hope that’s not a demonstration over there, 469 00:40:16,166 --> 00:40:18,585 what a mess that would be! 470 00:40:22,672 --> 00:40:24,632 I am not only the person who writes. 471 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,511 Life at the Théâtre du Soleil, 472 00:40:28,887 --> 00:40:30,722 I like it, 473 00:40:31,097 --> 00:40:31,973 but it’s not... 474 00:40:32,891 --> 00:40:34,559 As a writer, 475 00:40:36,353 --> 00:40:39,314 I cherish the rare moments 476 00:40:40,231 --> 00:40:44,569 when I’m writing a scene, and all of a sudden it comes to life. 477 00:40:44,903 --> 00:40:46,279 That's a lot of fun. 478 00:40:46,404 --> 00:40:50,408 But, it takes a lot of work to get to that point! 479 00:40:51,534 --> 00:40:55,121 And then it's not completely joyful 480 00:40:55,288 --> 00:40:59,292 because it's depends on how it is received, 481 00:41:00,210 --> 00:41:01,836 since I write something 482 00:41:02,253 --> 00:41:06,508 and I have absolutely no idea how Ariane is going to react to it. 483 00:41:07,342 --> 00:41:10,345 Whether she’ll say “It works” or not at all. 484 00:41:10,595 --> 00:41:13,515 -You can’t predict that! -No. 485 00:41:14,265 --> 00:41:16,810 I never know. 486 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,358 Those trailers are used 487 00:42:05,567 --> 00:42:09,821 by our members in residence, our guests, 488 00:42:10,822 --> 00:42:14,159 undocumented immigrants... 489 00:42:19,456 --> 00:42:22,083 - In 1996, there were many undocumented people here 490 00:42:22,292 --> 00:42:24,627 - Yes, 200 of them. 491 00:42:27,047 --> 00:42:28,381 - How did they arrive? 492 00:42:28,423 --> 00:42:31,676 - The 200 undocumented? These were the undocumented 493 00:42:32,052 --> 00:42:33,970 of the St. Bernard Church... 494 00:42:36,348 --> 00:42:39,976 It was the time of the great fight 495 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,189 against the Ministry of the Interior, for the undocumented. 496 00:42:44,773 --> 00:42:49,152 At some point, the undocumented 497 00:42:51,154 --> 00:42:53,490 who were staying in the St. Bernard's Church 498 00:42:53,615 --> 00:42:56,117 were brutally kicked out by the police 499 00:42:57,410 --> 00:43:03,041 I don’t remember all of the details, but someone called Ariane 500 00:43:05,585 --> 00:43:10,715 and we welcomed them here. The Théâtre took them in. 501 00:43:11,633 --> 00:43:15,428 It was epic, not only because it turned our theater 502 00:43:15,804 --> 00:43:18,973 into a gigantic village 503 00:43:21,393 --> 00:43:25,063 but also because Ariane and two other activists 504 00:43:25,438 --> 00:43:27,691 started a hunger strike here. 505 00:43:36,574 --> 00:43:40,954 For the moment, we’re tinkering with the space. 506 00:43:41,955 --> 00:43:46,459 And, it's a mock-up. Later it will be fully built. 507 00:44:08,523 --> 00:44:11,568 That's great. That helps my asthma! 508 00:44:11,776 --> 00:44:13,820 Wow, I had no idea you played harmonium! 509 00:44:14,362 --> 00:44:16,156 -I learned to play it a bit. 510 00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:19,200 - Where did you learn? in Afghanistan? 511 00:44:19,576 --> 00:44:22,037 - I learned here. - That’s great. 512 00:44:22,662 --> 00:44:25,498 He was with us on stage! 513 00:44:26,207 --> 00:44:29,210 Ten years later, here we are on stage together! 514 00:44:29,711 --> 00:44:30,837 Fifteen years. 515 00:44:31,004 --> 00:44:34,382 Fifteen?! Oh you’re right! Fifteen years already! 516 00:44:34,841 --> 00:44:36,343 December 12, 2002. 517 00:44:36,426 --> 00:44:38,219 It’s quite a story! 518 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,889 I remember your arrival! 519 00:44:41,556 --> 00:44:44,100 He was tied to something. 520 00:44:47,645 --> 00:44:52,233 And... everybody was wondering what it was, it was “his cue.” 521 00:44:52,776 --> 00:44:55,278 He was holding a cue! 522 00:44:55,653 --> 00:44:58,948 So everyone was wondering “What is this weird story with the cue?” 523 00:44:59,407 --> 00:45:02,118 And furthermore it was forbidden to touch his cue! 524 00:45:02,285 --> 00:45:05,038 Little by little we discovered that his cue… 525 00:45:05,663 --> 00:45:07,415 his cue! 526 00:45:07,665 --> 00:45:09,668 You still have your cue stick, do you? 527 00:45:10,043 --> 00:45:12,253 It was a cue stick! 528 00:45:12,462 --> 00:45:14,547 that he had been holding ever since he left Afghanistan! 529 00:45:14,881 --> 00:45:18,134 He had walked across the entire world with his cue. 530 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,012 His cue that lifted him up... 531 00:45:21,137 --> 00:45:23,223 He was a pool champion there. 532 00:45:23,598 --> 00:45:26,434 And you very quickly became a champion here? 533 00:45:26,726 --> 00:45:28,937 Champion of France, yes. 534 00:45:29,396 --> 00:45:32,357 Isn’t that incredible? The cue stick! 535 00:45:33,775 --> 00:45:36,528 No need to naturalize this one, 536 00:45:36,903 --> 00:45:38,613 it was a universal cue stick! 537 00:45:38,697 --> 00:45:40,740 I’ll always remember 538 00:45:40,824 --> 00:45:43,702 “I want my cue.” 539 00:45:45,370 --> 00:45:48,248 It was hard to believe! 540 00:45:48,998 --> 00:45:51,584 Speaking of cue, I have to go get ready! 541 00:45:51,835 --> 00:45:53,128 Go, go get ready. 542 00:45:53,712 --> 00:45:57,882 I have to get dressed... Thank you, very inspiring! 543 00:46:12,981 --> 00:46:19,446 A dream I had last night sealed my decision! 544 00:46:23,074 --> 00:46:28,705 I was a goat. So, do I continue or not? 545 00:50:29,863 --> 00:50:31,364 “We’ve been,” says my mother, 546 00:50:31,531 --> 00:50:32,949 “we’ve been.” 547 00:50:33,616 --> 00:50:35,994 She doesn’t say: we went there. 548 00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:40,248 “We’ve ended up not going there,” I say. 549 00:50:40,623 --> 00:50:43,501 “It never ends,” says my son. 550 00:50:44,753 --> 00:50:47,047 “I couldn’t go without her,” I say. 551 00:50:47,505 --> 00:50:48,965 I thought about it, 552 00:50:49,549 --> 00:50:52,802 but with bad thoughts. Thoughts of death. 553 00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:55,597 “Without them,” 554 00:50:56,181 --> 00:50:59,517 it’s as if I thought: you’ve been, 555 00:50:59,934 --> 00:51:02,479 and now you are no more. 556 00:51:03,355 --> 00:51:05,273 Afterwards. 557 00:51:06,191 --> 00:51:08,109 Afterwards. 558 00:51:09,235 --> 00:51:11,780 Afterwards, they were no longer 559 00:51:12,405 --> 00:51:16,284 Omi, Eri, Eve: they’ve been. 560 00:51:17,786 --> 00:51:19,996 Now they are in the books. 561 00:51:20,705 --> 00:51:24,084 “Perhaps I should have written ‘North Station,’” 562 00:51:24,668 --> 00:51:30,382 I thought while cutting out the last pages of Osnabrück with scissors. 563 00:51:31,675 --> 00:51:34,094 After Eve 564 00:51:34,678 --> 00:51:37,806 the thought of death came to me: 565 00:51:38,264 --> 00:51:41,976 “I cannot die without having been to Osnabrück.” 566 00:51:43,937 --> 00:51:46,106 But why? 567 00:51:46,731 --> 00:51:49,943 The thought hesitated. It was perhaps: 568 00:51:50,485 --> 00:51:54,864 “I cannot die before having been to Osnabrück.” 569 00:51:56,282 --> 00:51:59,327 Sometimes I said to myself 570 00:51:59,703 --> 00:52:02,664 I should not, 571 00:52:02,997 --> 00:52:08,795 I owe nothing. Now, unfortunately I could go to Osnabrück. 572 00:52:09,754 --> 00:52:12,257 I owe it to Eve. 573 00:53:42,430 --> 00:53:46,393 That's what happened in Osnabrück. 574 00:53:46,643 --> 00:53:50,105 In 1938 they imprisoned the Jews of Osnabrück, 575 00:53:50,105 --> 00:53:52,899 supposedly “to protect them.” 576 00:53:54,901 --> 00:53:59,155 And these are the convoys that contained the people of Osnabrück 577 00:53:59,406 --> 00:54:00,865 after their arrest. 578 00:54:52,375 --> 00:54:55,211 Through the critique of phallogocentrism 579 00:54:55,211 --> 00:54:59,257 that privileges binary contrasts and the masculine schema, 580 00:54:59,466 --> 00:55:07,140 she founded ‘women’s writing’ as a tool for empowering women. 581 00:55:10,018 --> 00:55:13,229 We are delighted to welcome Hélène Cixous, presenting Ayaï, 582 00:55:13,521 --> 00:55:17,233 The Cry of Literature. 583 00:55:44,094 --> 00:55:49,391 Thank you from the bottom of my heart, 584 00:55:49,933 --> 00:55:50,475 thank you for gathering together, to celebrate 585 00:55:50,475 --> 00:55:55,146 thank you for gathering together, to celebrate 586 00:55:55,814 --> 00:56:00,110 the tension literature brings us, 587 00:56:00,402 --> 00:56:02,696 which is paramount. 588 00:58:09,072 --> 00:58:10,615 There are some people, 589 00:58:10,615 --> 00:58:15,870 including professors, who say that post-structuralism, 590 00:58:15,995 --> 00:58:20,625 as well as those who say that it’s a good thing, 591 00:58:22,669 --> 00:58:26,464 are a bit like a passing trend. Nothing more. 592 00:58:26,756 --> 00:58:30,719 Does it offend you when very intelligent people, 593 00:58:30,969 --> 00:58:33,096 such as philosophy professors, say this? 594 00:58:33,596 --> 00:58:37,142 Well, no, theoretical statements really don’t pertain to me, 595 00:58:37,350 --> 00:58:38,601 to tell you the truth. 596 00:58:38,893 --> 00:58:43,732 Personally, I never considered myself a “post-structuralist.” I am a poet. 597 00:58:44,315 --> 00:58:46,359 Then there is the question of trends. 598 00:58:46,693 --> 00:58:49,571 Those who make these claims are in fact hostile 599 00:58:49,863 --> 00:58:51,740 to all literary work. 600 00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:54,075 That said, trends do exist. 601 00:58:55,744 --> 00:58:58,329 And, here, it’s quite American. 602 00:58:58,872 --> 00:59:01,166 At a particular moment 603 00:59:01,416 --> 00:59:04,461 you're labeled a “structuralist” or “post-structuralist.” 604 00:59:04,753 --> 00:59:07,255 We don't even know what that means. 605 00:59:07,797 --> 00:59:09,674 And then this just vanishes 606 00:59:10,050 --> 00:59:15,597 and what they call a new “turn” emerges, in the US. 607 00:59:18,683 --> 00:59:25,190 American marketing determines such trends in thought. 608 00:59:25,857 --> 00:59:27,567 It'll last for a while, 609 00:59:28,026 --> 00:59:30,320 and then another trend will be in fashion. 610 00:59:30,487 --> 00:59:33,239 But those who do that are themselves caught up in a cycle of fads. 611 00:59:33,531 --> 00:59:36,117 The things they say today will be trendy for several years 612 00:59:36,326 --> 00:59:39,204 they will disappear, to be replaced by something else… 613 00:59:39,454 --> 00:59:41,581 So, in the end, this is of little interest to me. 614 00:59:41,831 --> 00:59:44,334 What interests me is real creation, 615 00:59:44,709 --> 00:59:47,253 real poetic work, 616 00:59:47,587 --> 00:59:52,884 the work of cultivating language 617 00:59:53,385 --> 00:59:56,388 and discovering new treasures in it. 618 00:59:56,596 --> 00:59:58,098 Thank you. 619 00:59:58,890 --> 01:00:04,270 Forgive me, but these are theoretical questions just the same. 620 01:00:05,563 --> 01:00:08,108 Questions of trends, precisely. 621 01:00:09,192 --> 01:00:13,321 - Right, but it wasn’t my question. - I know! Thank you. 622 01:00:46,980 --> 01:00:50,984 Actually, it’s always double-sided like that with a… 623 01:00:53,570 --> 01:00:56,740 Here, it’s illegible. 624 01:00:56,865 --> 01:00:59,492 And there’s also one 625 01:01:00,326 --> 01:01:04,748 that makes reference to the Righteous, you see? 626 01:01:04,998 --> 01:01:12,047 The memory of the Righteous among the Nations remains unforgettable. 627 01:01:12,881 --> 01:01:17,469 Did you see it? That’s quite rare. 628 01:01:32,942 --> 01:01:34,819 For, for… the… 629 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,572 Prosopopoeia, perhaps? 630 01:01:37,947 --> 01:01:39,491 That wouldn’t be too bad, would it? 631 01:01:39,574 --> 01:01:41,117 Yes, hold on then… 632 01:01:41,743 --> 01:01:43,411 Then, now… 633 01:01:45,455 --> 01:01:50,251 do you have something that would be useful, 634 01:01:51,836 --> 01:01:55,965 something relevant when I introduce you 635 01:01:56,174 --> 01:01:59,010 I could brief you… 636 01:01:59,135 --> 01:02:01,930 I think that it would be important for you to speak 637 01:02:02,138 --> 01:02:05,308 about my two most recent books about Germany, 638 01:02:05,684 --> 01:02:09,521 they're about traces, wounds, the dead, etc. 639 01:02:09,854 --> 01:02:11,981 Okay, okay. All right. 640 01:02:12,315 --> 01:02:14,901 Since, in that, we don’t speak about it at all… 641 01:02:15,026 --> 01:02:17,904 and with reason, but it must be addressed. 642 01:02:18,154 --> 01:02:22,909 And your two most recent books, this includes 643 01:02:25,328 --> 01:02:28,915 But in any case, I’m not going to do a great deal… 644 01:02:29,124 --> 01:02:32,210 No, it’s wonderful because that will also help them. 645 01:02:32,335 --> 01:02:35,171 It’s really quite useful! That works perfectly. 646 01:02:35,338 --> 01:02:39,300 - I’m not at all worried about that. - No, listen… 647 01:02:39,718 --> 01:02:43,680 The students have prepared extensively. 648 01:02:43,888 --> 01:02:45,557 They’re ready. 649 01:02:45,807 --> 01:02:48,393 You mentioned 650 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,312 what else have they read? 651 01:02:51,855 --> 01:02:56,109 They had… there were pieces from 652 01:02:57,027 --> 01:03:03,324 two small collections published in the 70s… 653 01:03:04,409 --> 01:03:08,997 Something on the subject of women’s writing. 654 01:03:09,622 --> 01:03:12,250 No, I don’t want to. 655 01:03:12,459 --> 01:03:17,172 They know, and their readings also apply to the whole day, 656 01:03:17,464 --> 01:03:20,550 so that will be for later in the day. 657 01:08:34,030 --> 01:08:36,950 It was… everything was fictitious, you understand? 658 01:08:37,325 --> 01:08:41,079 What was not fictitious was my mother’s dream of Osnabrück. 659 01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:47,711 Since she was no longer there, I was the one who had to go. 660 01:08:48,086 --> 01:08:51,256 But still, there is the sense that 661 01:08:51,881 --> 01:08:55,218 your mother, your grandmother, and your aunt Eri 662 01:08:55,343 --> 01:08:59,347 would often speak about Osnabrück. 663 01:08:59,472 --> 01:09:01,975 Meaning that it was a memory of the olden days. 664 01:09:02,142 --> 01:09:06,730 The very memory of the houses in Osnabrück, 665 01:09:06,980 --> 01:09:12,694 the streets, the parks, the little river called the Hase, 666 01:09:13,153 --> 01:09:18,283 they had all of it before their inner eyes, 667 01:09:18,533 --> 01:09:23,872 But then there is the pain of returning, 668 01:09:24,497 --> 01:09:30,628 remembering the cruelty of the Nazis. 669 01:09:30,795 --> 01:09:32,797 It was unbearable… 670 01:09:32,922 --> 01:09:37,344 No, I don’t believe so. But I think they had no reason to try. 671 01:09:37,594 --> 01:09:41,264 They kept Osnabrück, the good Osnabrück. 672 01:09:41,348 --> 01:09:42,557 - In their memories. 673 01:09:42,849 --> 01:09:44,601 The good Osnabrück. 674 01:09:44,851 --> 01:09:47,312 And since they were free, they weren’t forced, 675 01:09:47,395 --> 01:09:49,439 they returned as a courtesy. 676 01:09:49,647 --> 01:09:53,443 I remember my mother debating it, you see… 677 01:09:54,152 --> 01:09:56,529 with my aunt… they would call each other, 678 01:09:56,696 --> 01:09:58,907 “What should we do?,” etc. 679 01:10:00,700 --> 01:10:03,995 And then… then she said to me, “Yes” 680 01:10:04,204 --> 01:10:06,289 “Since we are asked to go, 681 01:10:06,456 --> 01:10:09,084 in a way they are asking for forgiveness, 682 01:10:09,209 --> 01:10:12,545 they have asked us to come, we must go.” 683 01:10:13,171 --> 01:10:15,632 And then when they went, 684 01:10:15,965 --> 01:10:18,802 there were so many comical stories, you wouldn’t believe it! 685 01:10:18,927 --> 01:10:21,388 I loved the way they went there. 686 01:10:21,805 --> 01:10:25,517 There was such a discrepancy, 687 01:10:27,686 --> 01:10:30,105 until 1968, 688 01:10:30,980 --> 01:10:34,651 between what Germany deemed acceptable to think 689 01:10:34,901 --> 01:10:40,031 and what Jewish Germans had experienced and thought, 690 01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:45,370 that it was irreconcilable, nonsensical! 691 01:10:45,912 --> 01:10:50,959 You rightly felt that history was completely twisted 692 01:10:51,501 --> 01:10:55,171 and that nobody had begun to argue. 693 01:10:55,588 --> 01:10:58,883 Our circle of friends is now 694 01:10:59,092 --> 01:11:04,347 between 70 and 80 years old, 695 01:11:04,681 --> 01:11:08,476 and we have begun to ask each other, 696 01:11:09,269 --> 01:11:14,315 “So, were your parents, Nazis?” 697 01:11:14,691 --> 01:11:18,903 The reply used to be “Oh no, in our home, perfect, 698 01:11:19,195 --> 01:11:22,282 no one took part!” Today, we speak more openly. 699 01:11:22,407 --> 01:11:26,870 Ah, it’s a question that makes me crazy 700 01:11:27,203 --> 01:11:30,749 when I hear people say, “We’ve spoken about it enough.” 701 01:11:31,166 --> 01:11:34,586 Absolutely not! Now is the true beginning. 702 01:11:35,253 --> 01:11:39,174 We are posing the question “how?” 703 01:11:39,758 --> 01:11:43,511 after such a long time. It’s incredible. 704 01:11:43,803 --> 01:11:46,848 What is difficult, in my opinion, 705 01:11:47,015 --> 01:11:50,435 as I have always articulated to my students, 706 01:11:51,770 --> 01:11:56,358 is the aspect of desire, 707 01:11:57,317 --> 01:12:02,489 not only the desire of some Jews for material wealth, 708 01:12:03,698 --> 01:12:09,371 but the desire for intellectualism, and for intellectual faculties. 709 01:12:10,038 --> 01:12:12,665 I have often taken notice of that. 710 01:12:13,249 --> 01:12:16,753 Well, I must say, it’s incredibly complicated to speak about that! 711 01:12:17,128 --> 01:12:21,383 Because, what I’ve come to notice, and, 712 01:12:22,175 --> 01:12:26,471 of course, I’ve found terrifying… 713 01:12:27,847 --> 01:12:32,519 I know of individuals 714 01:12:34,562 --> 01:12:39,442 whom I consider racists who do not even realize that they are racists. 715 01:12:39,859 --> 01:12:43,196 And yet, at present in France, 716 01:12:43,947 --> 01:12:48,702 there are people who belong to the sophisticated intellectual circles 717 01:12:48,785 --> 01:12:50,495 and institutions, 718 01:12:50,620 --> 01:12:53,998 who have uttered this phrase that I find abominable: 719 01:12:54,082 --> 01:12:55,875 “Jews are intelligent.” 720 01:12:56,167 --> 01:12:57,794 And they say it with a certain… 721 01:12:58,169 --> 01:13:02,340 it’s philo-Semitism, meaning anti-Semitism, you know? 722 01:13:03,758 --> 01:13:05,552 I’ve seen a great deal of that. 723 01:14:32,389 --> 01:14:35,350 I’m impressed because it’s really beautiful. 724 01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:39,437 Rarely is something so well done, isn’t it? 725 01:14:44,317 --> 01:14:46,695 I don’t know; it’s astonishing. 726 01:14:46,820 --> 01:14:50,865 You could say it’s made of granite, but it’s so… 727 01:14:54,828 --> 01:14:58,623 It looks like it’s pink granite. 728 01:15:17,642 --> 01:15:21,521 I don’t know, was it produced like that deliberately, 729 01:15:21,855 --> 01:15:25,108 to give the impression of ruins? 730 01:15:26,401 --> 01:15:30,030 It’s incredibly powerful, I’m really in awe of it. 731 01:16:41,726 --> 01:16:47,357 I haven’t heard of her at all. But this is really quite powerful. 732 01:17:14,175 --> 01:17:18,304 This is truly incredible. 733 01:17:34,863 --> 01:17:37,157 Annie-Joëlle, Annie-Joëlle! 734 01:17:39,451 --> 01:17:41,745 Did you see this? 735 01:17:41,953 --> 01:17:44,247 - Yes, I saw it - Did you photograph it? 736 01:17:44,622 --> 01:17:45,915 I took a general photo of the whole thing, 737 01:17:46,291 --> 01:17:49,252 but if you want… - Absolutely… Yes. 738 01:18:16,446 --> 01:18:17,781 What should we do? 739 01:18:17,989 --> 01:18:20,700 It feels like we have to do something, right? 740 01:23:15,078 --> 01:23:18,164 Good. Hugs to you, Marga. 741 01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:29,968 At first she said, “I’m over a hundred years old.” 742 01:23:30,677 --> 01:23:32,595 Eve used to do the same thing, 743 01:23:32,929 --> 01:23:35,724 she stopped at a hundred years and when I would say, 744 01:23:35,807 --> 01:23:38,768 “No, you are over a hundred years old” she couldn’t bear the thought. 745 01:23:39,019 --> 01:23:40,687 She would say “No, no, no.” 746 01:23:40,895 --> 01:23:44,649 I would say, “Okay then, you’re eighty years old.” 747 01:23:57,245 --> 01:23:59,622 Here you are, you turn your gaze. 748 01:24:12,677 --> 01:24:15,513 It’s good. The gesture is right, 749 01:24:15,805 --> 01:24:18,058 except that it’s too broken. 750 01:24:18,308 --> 01:24:19,726 It’s really... 751 01:24:31,237 --> 01:24:33,948 The opening gesture, you see? 752 01:24:41,456 --> 01:24:43,875 And keep your hand outstretched. 753 01:24:56,054 --> 01:24:59,766 “Cornelia, Cornelia!” 754 01:25:00,392 --> 01:25:02,477 And then you can say it like that too… 755 01:25:04,646 --> 01:25:08,149 - I didn’t say anything. - “Come in rumor!” 756 01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,569 You'll take care of the entrance for your marionette. 757 01:25:11,861 --> 01:25:13,905 Yes! You have me come in! 758 01:25:14,614 --> 01:25:16,324 But we’re not on stage. 759 01:25:16,658 --> 01:25:19,035 - Why? - No, we’re not yet on stage. 760 01:25:19,494 --> 01:25:22,163 - But yes ! - You improvise on the set, listen! 761 01:25:22,706 --> 01:25:25,750 No, we’re coming up, behind Cornelia’s bed, 762 01:25:27,627 --> 01:25:29,838 Well- that’s it. So, is the bed here? 763 01:25:30,130 --> 01:25:33,842 - Right. Which side? - I’ll come up behind her. 764 01:25:34,009 --> 01:25:38,513 - And then, you’ll say, “Come in rumor!” - “Come in rumor!” 765 01:25:38,763 --> 01:25:40,473 Here you go rumor! 766 01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:41,850 So what? 767 01:25:42,726 --> 01:25:44,185 What does the rumor say? 768 01:25:44,769 --> 01:25:46,062 That Lear has disappeared 769 01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:48,106 - “The rumor…” - Say! Say it! 770 01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:52,444 “The rumor says the word is spreading.” 771 01:25:52,610 --> 01:25:54,821 - Exactly. - “In Paris.” 772 01:25:56,906 --> 01:25:57,949 Yes. Okay. 773 01:25:58,158 --> 01:26:01,870 And you tell the rumor “All right, now make it shorter!” 774 01:26:03,079 --> 01:26:04,998 Just like in a newsroom, 775 01:26:05,373 --> 01:26:07,083 “Shorter, shorter!” 776 01:26:13,423 --> 01:26:15,592 We have to be able to play with those papers and tell them: 777 01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,220 “See, do you see all those figures?” - Right, absolutely. 778 01:26:19,596 --> 01:26:22,724 We’ve got to have lines of amounts, 779 01:26:23,016 --> 01:26:25,352 and say: “Look at those amounts, we calculated” 780 01:26:25,685 --> 01:26:27,604 and that becomes really… 781 01:26:28,313 --> 01:26:29,981 You’ve got to make it look like a cartoon. 782 01:26:30,190 --> 01:26:32,359 Extremely fast like in a cartoon. 783 01:26:32,567 --> 01:26:34,444 Very cartoonish. 784 01:26:37,572 --> 01:26:39,491 - “Where is Lear? - Where is Lear? 785 01:26:40,283 --> 01:26:42,786 - Hey, where is he? - He isn’t here.” 786 01:26:43,703 --> 01:26:46,081 It’s like cats and children! 787 01:26:46,956 --> 01:26:51,336 He isn’t here. So, Cornelia Lavandou, 788 01:26:52,420 --> 01:26:54,547 since you’re the one who’s in charge now, 789 01:26:54,714 --> 01:26:56,675 how many subsidies can we expect? 790 01:26:56,925 --> 01:27:01,846 Taking into account that the show directed by Josette Duval, 791 01:27:01,971 --> 01:27:04,015 the famous Red Trilogy… 792 01:27:04,140 --> 01:27:06,643 “Red is a color just like others.” 793 01:27:10,105 --> 01:27:12,357 Such a marvel! 794 01:27:12,440 --> 01:27:14,067 Those actors! 795 01:27:15,026 --> 01:27:17,362 Well, let’s not get off-track here! 796 01:27:17,529 --> 01:27:22,075 “She managed to raise only 200,000 euros…” 797 01:27:25,829 --> 01:27:30,083 A soundtrack.“Lear has disappeared, Lear has disappeared, 798 01:27:30,542 --> 01:27:31,459 Well here we go!” 799 01:27:31,793 --> 01:27:35,088 There are voices everywhere of… of… 800 01:27:35,380 --> 01:27:39,467 “It looks like Mr. Lear has been missing for 24 hours in Pondichéry,” 801 01:27:39,759 --> 01:27:41,219 and it’s like “Shoot, shoot” 802 01:27:41,428 --> 01:27:44,556 and we show up to silence the rumor, we pull the shutters closed! 803 01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,684 “The rumor! 804 01:27:47,892 --> 01:27:49,227 Lear has disappeared!” 805 01:27:49,477 --> 01:27:51,604 we rush to the window, we hear the rumor! 806 01:27:52,188 --> 01:27:54,733 Ah, Jean-Jacques, Jean-Jacques! Excuse me… 807 01:27:55,984 --> 01:27:58,319 And just like that, in an instant, we heard our two voices, 808 01:27:58,445 --> 01:28:00,155 as if we were in Paris. 809 01:28:00,238 --> 01:28:03,408 In this case, you need the rumor in different languages. 810 01:28:03,616 --> 01:28:06,494 Yes, yes, yes! a whole host of languages. 811 01:28:07,287 --> 01:28:08,163 You pull out a clock: 812 01:28:08,329 --> 01:28:10,832 “We’ve got only one minute and thirty seconds, 813 01:28:11,124 --> 01:28:13,918 for, for the Vision!” 814 01:28:14,794 --> 01:28:17,756 - But do you know what she pulls out? - A clock. 815 01:28:17,881 --> 01:28:19,841 - No! - An Alice white rabbit! 816 01:28:20,050 --> 01:28:22,594 No! A ticking bomb! 817 01:28:27,390 --> 01:28:30,185 A big bomb, you see? 818 01:28:30,602 --> 01:28:33,229 “Look, just one minute! You’ve got one minute thirty seconds 819 01:28:33,438 --> 01:28:34,898 in order to give us your Vision, 820 01:28:35,106 --> 01:28:37,734 if not I’ll die! We’ll die!” 821 01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:42,530 And there we’re here, tic-toc, tic-toc, one minute, 822 01:28:43,198 --> 01:28:45,992 here we are, we just do the tic-toc, forty seconds… 823 01:28:46,284 --> 01:28:48,161 We’ve got to say it like this! 824 01:28:48,411 --> 01:28:52,123 “Thirty, twenty, nineteen, eighteen, seventeen…” 825 01:28:52,248 --> 01:28:59,339 No, no, straight from twenty to “ten, five, four, three, two, one…” 826 01:28:59,964 --> 01:29:03,385 … and there she goes: “Noooo!”, 827 01:29:03,635 --> 01:29:05,970 and we’re being sucked through the window, 828 01:29:06,179 --> 01:29:08,348 we roll over and we’re gone. 829 01:29:22,987 --> 01:29:27,367 But, I had no idea, I had no idea you had this hideout! 830 01:29:27,492 --> 01:29:29,828 Well, you see, the place is full of secrets. 831 01:29:34,332 --> 01:29:36,334 How many drums do you have here? 832 01:29:36,835 --> 01:29:39,587 Oh, here, almost a hundred. 833 01:29:42,799 --> 01:29:44,342 - Are you familiar with each one? - Yes. 834 01:29:44,342 --> 01:29:45,844 All of them? Oh yes. 835 01:29:46,219 --> 01:29:48,179 I’ve played them all. 836 01:29:48,388 --> 01:29:51,099 You have a music library here. 837 01:29:51,933 --> 01:29:54,853 I can distinguish the original ones… 838 01:29:55,103 --> 01:29:58,690 This one is original, from Bangladesh. These are elephant drums. 839 01:29:58,982 --> 01:30:02,444 that one in the back is a replica that we created. 840 01:30:03,319 --> 01:30:05,739 That one’s also a replica. 841 01:30:06,031 --> 01:30:09,576 - You love them all. - Yes. All of them. 842 01:30:10,869 --> 01:30:15,331 All of them, because I use each one for very precise purposes. 843 01:30:15,707 --> 01:30:18,293 The instrument that particularly interests me, 844 01:30:18,460 --> 01:30:21,212 the one drum I’m going to use for this specific play. 845 01:30:21,463 --> 01:30:24,132 - What’s that, honey? - A “pipephone.” 846 01:30:24,549 --> 01:30:28,136 I plugged a bunch of PVC pipes 847 01:30:28,428 --> 01:30:33,433 to make a kind of xylophone, with ping-pong rackets. 848 01:30:49,532 --> 01:30:52,952 - Do you play it by hand? - No. With ping-pong rackets. 849 01:31:02,921 --> 01:31:05,965 Latest toy piano from the department store. 850 01:31:20,772 --> 01:31:22,482 It’s marvelous. It works splendidly. 851 01:31:22,691 --> 01:31:25,068 Yes, it has a truly beautiful sound. 852 01:31:38,665 --> 01:31:40,291 “In Oran, 853 01:31:40,750 --> 01:31:43,211 when fate made her 854 01:31:43,503 --> 01:31:48,341 spokesperson for the dead, 855 01:31:49,300 --> 01:31:54,014 my grandmother Omi began to play her role, 856 01:31:55,598 --> 01:31:59,019 I didn’t see there were silences. 857 01:32:03,940 --> 01:32:08,028 In Oran, I didn’t know that I didn’t know. 858 01:32:09,738 --> 01:32:13,783 I didn’t pursue my grandmother, I didn’t unbury the dead. 859 01:32:14,451 --> 01:32:17,912 When I wanted to ask my mother, I gave up: 860 01:32:18,580 --> 01:32:22,667 her stories didn’t remember the previous stories. 861 01:32:28,882 --> 01:32:30,300 All that remains is 862 01:32:31,426 --> 01:32:33,470 Marga. 863 01:32:36,264 --> 01:32:40,935 ‘Maybe you should ask Marga,’ the book suggests. 864 01:32:43,688 --> 01:32:47,776 I was without conviction. That would be an unexpected turn. 865 01:32:48,985 --> 01:32:51,237 Marga? 866 01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:55,992 After all the witnesses and contemporaries have departed, 867 01:32:56,618 --> 01:33:00,580 more than seventy years having collapsed on the scene, 868 01:33:01,331 --> 01:33:04,959 there is no one left to say: I knew the Jonas family, 869 01:33:05,251 --> 01:33:07,337 they knew the Engers, 870 01:33:07,837 --> 01:33:10,924 the Engers knew the van Pels, 871 01:33:11,091 --> 01:33:13,760 the van Pels knew the Franks, 872 01:33:14,552 --> 01:33:18,098 Peter van Pels rode his bike with Horst, 873 01:33:18,848 --> 01:33:23,269 Horst stole my mother Eve’s bike 874 01:33:23,645 --> 01:33:27,315 that she had borrowed from or lent to Grete Bloch, 875 01:33:27,482 --> 01:33:30,568 the daughter of the veterinarian, 876 01:33:32,070 --> 01:33:35,073 Felix Nussbaum I knew him said my mother. 877 01:33:36,199 --> 01:33:38,952 This memory may have been created by her 878 01:33:39,202 --> 01:33:41,746 when she was more than a hundred years old, 879 01:33:42,747 --> 01:33:46,793 never having come to her previously, 880 01:33:48,044 --> 01:33:49,921 so it’s impossible to say if Eve 881 01:33:50,338 --> 01:33:53,049 didn’t know/knew 882 01:33:53,466 --> 01:33:56,886 Felix Nussbaum 883 01:34:02,726 --> 01:34:04,561 Marga remains? 884 01:34:08,273 --> 01:34:09,566 At the end, 885 01:34:10,191 --> 01:34:13,153 looking at a map of the Zentrum of Osnabrück, 886 01:34:14,487 --> 01:34:18,575 one no longer knew who had known had not known whom, 887 01:34:18,783 --> 01:34:21,911 everyone had known whomever one hadn’t known, 888 01:34:22,037 --> 01:34:23,288 everyone had come by 889 01:34:23,496 --> 01:34:25,123 had gone for walks, had entered, 890 01:34:25,832 --> 01:34:27,542 had bought, had seen, 891 01:34:27,834 --> 01:34:31,129 had spoken, had learned, had swum, 892 01:34:31,338 --> 01:34:33,506 had gone on an outing in the forest, 893 01:34:34,257 --> 01:34:37,719 had taken the Abitur exam, had eaten, 894 01:34:38,136 --> 01:34:42,807 had had their secrets, had died. 895 01:34:46,811 --> 01:34:49,147 Marga remains. 896 01:34:50,982 --> 01:34:54,819 Marga, Eve’s remainder.” 897 01:36:59,944 --> 01:37:01,321 I received this letter 898 01:37:02,155 --> 01:37:04,157 after our phone conversation. 899 01:37:04,366 --> 01:37:06,826 This letter had taken a great deal of time to arrive, 900 01:37:07,285 --> 01:37:10,705 as it’s postmarked the 17th of March 901 01:37:10,955 --> 01:37:15,126 but didn’t arrive until the 24th of March, 902 01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,296 And I think that I must have received it 903 01:37:18,505 --> 01:37:21,132 at about the time when she passed away. 904 01:37:29,349 --> 01:37:31,059 So, it really 905 01:37:32,102 --> 01:37:34,854 saddened me this… 906 01:37:35,355 --> 01:37:38,191 “evaporation” because when we, 907 01:37:38,942 --> 01:37:41,361 when I talked to her over the phone, 908 01:37:41,653 --> 01:37:45,490 it was three, four days before her flame faded away. 909 01:37:45,699 --> 01:37:47,701 She passed away like that. 910 01:37:48,535 --> 01:37:51,413 I had a bad feeling, but still. 911 01:37:52,706 --> 01:37:56,126 I had noticed, I told you that, Olivier, 912 01:37:56,501 --> 01:38:00,505 I felt like she was speaking more slowly than usual. 913 01:38:01,297 --> 01:38:04,384 However, she was fully present. 914 01:38:06,553 --> 01:38:08,638 She is the last one. 915 01:38:09,389 --> 01:38:12,308 We might say that my mother was the second to last. 916 01:38:12,517 --> 01:38:14,644 Anyway, they were the last ones. 917 01:38:14,811 --> 01:38:19,941 So as long as they were around, 918 01:38:20,775 --> 01:38:23,778 this was a never-ending story 919 01:38:25,447 --> 01:38:27,574 where everyone was saved. 920 01:38:27,699 --> 01:38:31,119 Everyone was kept alive in those two women 921 01:38:31,619 --> 01:38:33,580 who had not forgotten anything. 922 01:38:34,998 --> 01:38:38,335 So, I told myself that 923 01:38:39,753 --> 01:38:42,964 this time, the book has been closed. 924 01:38:43,506 --> 01:38:46,426 Even if I am tempted 925 01:38:47,010 --> 01:38:50,013 to look into its next chapter, I don’t see how. 926 01:38:50,388 --> 01:38:54,184 I don’t know anyone who’s 105 now. 927 01:38:54,476 --> 01:38:56,519 105 is the required age now, 928 01:38:57,020 --> 01:39:00,523 or at least 100. 929 01:39:01,858 --> 01:39:06,780 And I can’t think of any survivor from this era. 930 01:39:07,947 --> 01:39:11,951 From the great chronicle of Osnabrück that faded away here. 931 01:40:38,204 --> 01:40:43,293 Personally, I’m not happy unless someone is moved to tears. 932 01:40:43,626 --> 01:40:47,505 It’s true! The sign of a true performance 933 01:40:47,797 --> 01:40:50,925 isn’t when someone says, “Oh, I laughed so much.” 934 01:40:51,092 --> 01:40:54,179 It’s when they can’t even speak because they’re weeping. 935 01:40:54,637 --> 01:40:58,266 And that’s exactly what was happening. That’s my true point of reference. 936 01:40:58,725 --> 01:41:02,604 And after yesterday’s performance, so many people were in that exact state. 937 01:41:04,022 --> 01:41:11,112 So, it was beautiful, but the show is awfully tricky because… 938 01:41:12,947 --> 01:41:18,078 it’s like a butterfly in that it’s a subtle blend 939 01:41:18,953 --> 01:41:21,164 such that when you’re not 940 01:41:21,664 --> 01:41:22,874 exactly on the mark, 941 01:41:23,208 --> 01:41:26,920 while keeping fragile, stuttering and trembling at the same time… 942 01:41:27,212 --> 01:41:29,422 there’s something missing. 943 01:41:29,839 --> 01:41:35,053 Okay. Let’s go. Excuse me. So, warming up like usual, 944 01:41:37,097 --> 01:41:41,518 Hey you, we’ll see each other about the cow, right? 945 01:42:17,012 --> 01:42:21,933 Since we inhabit a world 946 01:42:22,642 --> 01:42:28,481 that is always oriented toward others, toward addressing the audience, 947 01:42:29,524 --> 01:42:34,070 I’m going to speak about the one 948 01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,740 who never positions himself with respect to the audience, 949 01:42:36,948 --> 01:42:39,242 even if he gives the impression of doing so, 950 01:42:39,784 --> 01:42:42,245 and that is the dictator. 951 01:42:43,621 --> 01:42:45,832 We are leaving the era of Obama 952 01:42:46,124 --> 01:42:49,002 who had created this delightful motto, 953 01:42:49,878 --> 01:42:51,588 so simple by all appearances: 954 01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,507 “Yes, we can.” 955 01:42:56,259 --> 01:43:00,305 “Can” is an incredibly powerful word that harks back to its Sanskrit roots. 956 01:43:00,722 --> 01:43:05,602 “Can” is both “power” and “knowledge.” 957 01:43:06,811 --> 01:43:10,523 “Yes we can,” “Yes, we know we are capable of...” 958 01:43:10,940 --> 01:43:15,362 And now, in the place of the motto 959 01:43:15,612 --> 01:43:18,448 that gave hope to everyone we have 960 01:43:18,573 --> 01:43:22,118 “I can!” It’s: “Me.” 961 01:43:22,660 --> 01:43:24,287 And that’s no simple thing! 962 01:43:24,788 --> 01:43:28,249 Now, what is even more extraordinary is the fact that, 963 01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:32,003 unfortunately, we poor human beings 964 01:43:32,212 --> 01:43:36,508 have a tendency to be fascinated by… 965 01:43:36,883 --> 01:43:38,385 well, not by anything, 966 01:43:38,635 --> 01:43:43,390 not the one who’s assassinating everyone, 967 01:43:43,515 --> 01:43:47,519 but this one leader who speaks 968 01:43:47,811 --> 01:43:52,691 in such an authoritarian way, “auto: me, me,” 969 01:43:53,441 --> 01:43:56,194 who says something so simple, 970 01:43:56,569 --> 01:44:01,741 that is “Me, myself, I can because I am myself, 971 01:44:02,158 --> 01:44:06,204 and I am so utterly full of myself that I am the only one who can!” 972 01:44:06,496 --> 01:44:09,624 And that fascinates people! 973 01:44:10,542 --> 01:44:13,128 This is the enigma of narcissism: 974 01:44:13,586 --> 01:44:18,425 there is someone with such faith in himself, that he… 975 01:44:19,175 --> 01:44:22,137 well, there’s no other equivalent to him than God himself! 976 01:44:22,429 --> 01:44:25,932 Yet, we must say that we poor human beings 977 01:44:26,307 --> 01:44:28,184 have the tendency to be drawn to God, 978 01:44:28,393 --> 01:44:30,729 because God bestows upon us 979 01:44:31,396 --> 01:44:33,273 all kinds of good feelings. 980 01:44:33,565 --> 01:44:34,899 The despot 981 01:44:35,108 --> 01:44:37,527 is a sort of unfeeling God because, 982 01:44:37,902 --> 01:44:39,863 whom does he adore above all else? 983 01:44:40,155 --> 01:44:41,781 “Myself!” 984 01:44:41,781 --> 01:44:41,823 “Myself!” 985 01:44:42,365 --> 01:44:45,577 A big, fat “myself.” 986 01:44:48,872 --> 01:44:50,832 Thank you, Hélène. 987 01:47:41,002 --> 01:47:43,338 And finally, 988 01:50:35,010 --> 01:50:37,971 Do you see them? 989 01:50:38,805 --> 01:50:43,101 Well, it doesn’t matter. 990 01:51:37,322 --> 01:51:39,657 Hello Master, 991 01:51:40,492 --> 01:51:43,536 thank you for all that you do for us. 992 01:51:46,915 --> 01:51:52,796 We honor you here. 993 01:52:13,358 --> 01:52:14,859 Being. 994 01:52:18,905 --> 01:52:20,990 Cum nihil sit. 995 01:52:22,534 --> 01:52:24,035 Ipse. 996 01:52:32,002 --> 01:52:34,587 This, I noticed this rather belatedly… 997 01:52:34,879 --> 01:52:37,007 that each time I came here 998 01:52:37,173 --> 01:52:39,384 there were always visitors gathered, 999 01:52:40,010 --> 01:52:44,097 and I must confess I would always slip out 1000 01:52:44,556 --> 01:52:49,102 until the crowd cleared downstairs and I would surreptitiously rush upstairs, 1001 01:52:49,352 --> 01:52:52,772 and in this way I finally found myself alone, in front of this, 1002 01:52:52,856 --> 01:52:54,232 and I said to myself, 1003 01:52:54,607 --> 01:52:57,944 “But, it’s the prison, the one I talk about all the time!” 1004 01:52:58,236 --> 01:53:00,030 with its… 1005 01:53:03,908 --> 01:53:06,327 and the one that, furthermore, 1006 01:53:06,911 --> 01:53:09,706 recounts this extraordinary story 1007 01:53:09,998 --> 01:53:13,626 of a condemned prisoner, 1008 01:53:14,627 --> 01:53:17,922 it’s a fable of Ancient Rome, 1009 01:53:18,673 --> 01:53:22,969 of a prisoner condemned for an offense committed against the ancient city, 1010 01:53:26,389 --> 01:53:30,060 and the prisoners’ guards notice that he doesn’t die, 1011 01:53:30,393 --> 01:53:34,022 despite having been condemned to death by starvation and dehydration. 1012 01:53:34,356 --> 01:53:39,652 It’s because his daughter who comes to visit him regularly breastfeeds him. 1013 01:53:39,861 --> 01:53:43,031 Through the bars. 1014 01:53:53,166 --> 01:53:56,419 When you think about it, it is Montaigne’s choice 1015 01:53:56,711 --> 01:53:59,673 to live with this vision! 1016 01:54:03,635 --> 01:54:06,721 it’s something I only realized in retrospect. 1017 01:54:07,472 --> 01:54:12,060 Because when we enter here, what we see first is disrepair. 1018 01:54:12,268 --> 01:54:14,479 But one day... “No! There is something!” 1019 01:54:14,729 --> 01:54:17,190 There is heaven and hell. 1020 01:54:17,982 --> 01:54:22,153 Heaven… and hell. 1021 01:54:27,617 --> 01:54:31,830 I think that I’ve always worked on this… 1022 01:54:32,622 --> 01:54:36,042 because heaven and hell are the two overarching entities of our existence. 1023 01:54:36,418 --> 01:54:39,379 We are beings of heaven and hell. 1024 01:54:40,130 --> 01:54:43,216 Altogether. 1025 01:54:43,883 --> 01:54:48,722 And it’s both incarceration and liberation. 1026 01:54:49,222 --> 01:54:53,643 This is what I addressed, in one of my books called 1027 01:54:53,893 --> 01:54:56,813 in which I took this image, 1028 01:54:57,230 --> 01:55:00,650 which embodies the fact that we are often incarcerated. 1029 01:55:00,900 --> 01:55:05,405 In the course of our lives we endure periods of incarceration. 1030 01:55:07,449 --> 01:55:10,744 So, what strikes me here 1031 01:55:11,161 --> 01:55:12,537 are the bars. 1032 01:55:12,746 --> 01:55:15,040 Because the bars are very much 1033 01:55:15,331 --> 01:55:18,793 the border between life and death that we are always aware of, 1034 01:55:19,961 --> 01:55:23,757 and for me, this brings together the bars that marked my childhood, 1035 01:55:24,049 --> 01:55:27,052 the military fencing in Oran, Algeria, 1036 01:55:27,302 --> 01:55:30,513 which I would walk along when I was three years old, 1037 01:55:33,016 --> 01:55:36,311 and even before that, when I was two years old, 1038 01:55:36,478 --> 01:55:38,605 since the Military Circle had been locked up, 1039 01:55:38,855 --> 01:55:41,775 in bars that were tall like that, that I verified, 1040 01:55:42,317 --> 01:55:44,986 but through which you could see, you could see a garden, 1041 01:55:45,362 --> 01:55:47,113 but a garden, 1042 01:55:47,530 --> 01:55:49,949 that was forbidden. 1043 01:55:51,201 --> 01:55:55,747 This garden opened when I was two-and-a-half years old, 1044 01:55:57,415 --> 01:56:01,753 during the war, in 1939, when my father was recruited 1045 01:56:04,005 --> 01:56:06,841 as a military doctor. 1046 01:56:07,425 --> 01:56:09,844 This garden of Oran 1047 01:56:10,095 --> 01:56:13,890 was a garden exclusively reserved for officers, 1048 01:56:15,558 --> 01:56:17,727 and suddenly the bars opened! 1049 01:56:18,019 --> 01:56:19,729 At two and a half, 1050 01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:24,025 I headed into heaven! I believed that I’d entered heaven 1051 01:56:25,026 --> 01:56:27,529 since I’d always longed for this garden. 1052 01:56:28,196 --> 01:56:29,531 And inside, 1053 01:56:30,532 --> 01:56:33,868 what did I find? Hell! I absolutely couldn’t understand! 1054 01:56:34,285 --> 01:56:37,789 I was inside, yet I had never been so far outside. 1055 01:56:38,540 --> 01:56:42,836 Ostracized, rejected! Surrounded by children. And… 1056 01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:45,505 and the hunt began! 1057 01:56:46,131 --> 01:56:48,216 And I absolutely could not understand why. 1058 01:56:48,717 --> 01:56:52,637 It was there that I had my first philosophical and political experiences. 1059 01:56:53,346 --> 01:56:55,348 In which… 1060 01:56:55,682 --> 01:56:59,227 I realized that when we are taken in, 1061 01:56:59,644 --> 01:57:02,605 it might mean we'll be thrown out! 1062 01:57:02,856 --> 01:57:05,734 And thus the key I found, 1063 01:57:06,067 --> 01:57:08,528 the one I finally came upon, 1064 01:57:08,903 --> 01:57:11,239 after two or three months, 1065 01:57:11,364 --> 01:57:13,450 (because I was trying to find a way in) 1066 01:57:13,742 --> 01:57:16,286 having been inside and then not… 1067 01:57:17,662 --> 01:57:19,956 was a word I was not familiar with, 1068 01:57:20,123 --> 01:57:21,958 and it was the word “Jewish.” 1069 01:57:22,542 --> 01:57:25,712 Because all of a sudden, the older children 1070 01:57:26,129 --> 01:57:28,340 spat on me, saying 1071 01:57:28,590 --> 01:57:32,177 “you’re Jewish,” and I had no idea what this word meant. 1072 01:57:34,637 --> 01:57:36,890 After all, literature is like that too, 1073 01:57:37,057 --> 01:57:39,559 it’s the passageway between bars. 1074 01:57:40,935 --> 01:57:42,395 Meaning that when, when we write, 1075 01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:44,647 we write like that, 1076 01:57:45,273 --> 01:57:47,692 with little bars through which 1077 01:57:48,318 --> 01:57:51,905 through which breath passes, 1078 01:57:52,197 --> 01:57:56,159 through which signifiers are at play… 1079 01:57:58,453 --> 01:58:01,664 Montaigne went through this experience in a thousand different ways. 1080 01:58:01,915 --> 01:58:06,252 He, of course, was on the other end of the social scale, 1081 01:58:06,628 --> 01:58:08,755 but he was aware of this. 1082 01:58:09,172 --> 01:58:11,925 He could simply look around 1083 01:58:12,217 --> 01:58:14,761 and witness the Wars of Religion. 1084 01:58:15,637 --> 01:58:18,640 He witnessed them personally, the cruelty, the violence… 1085 01:58:19,849 --> 01:58:24,312 Now, I must say that when I arrived, when I managed to arrive in France, 1086 01:58:24,813 --> 01:58:26,898 by which I mean that I was in France and I wasn’t here, 1087 01:58:27,190 --> 01:58:28,817 arriving from Algeria… it was awful. 1088 01:58:29,025 --> 01:58:30,443 I couldn’t handle it. 1089 01:58:30,819 --> 01:58:33,154 I was… I couldn’t find the entrance! 1090 01:58:33,405 --> 01:58:35,407 And I entered through this door. Here. 1091 01:58:35,949 --> 01:58:37,742 And I entered through this door, 1092 01:58:38,034 --> 01:58:41,204 because I arrived in the Bordeaux region of course, 1093 01:58:42,414 --> 01:58:44,958 because in this specific location, there is a confluence, 1094 01:58:45,458 --> 01:58:48,420 this sublime Dordogne region is the confluence 1095 01:58:48,753 --> 01:58:51,548 of the Wars of Religion, of Catholics and Protestants. 1096 01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:54,467 Exchanges occur like that on the edge of the Dordogne, 1097 01:58:54,759 --> 01:58:57,095 on a bank, for example, it’s Protestant and… 1098 01:58:57,887 --> 01:59:01,808 Because of that it’s an immensely graceful region, 1099 01:59:02,392 --> 01:59:03,601 because here, 1100 01:59:03,810 --> 01:59:08,565 people are in accord with the surrounding natural beauty. 1101 01:59:10,233 --> 01:59:12,736 And I have had this experience! 1102 01:59:12,902 --> 01:59:15,196 I was twenty when I discovered this, 1103 01:59:15,655 --> 01:59:18,074 and I said to myself, this is the entryway 1104 01:59:18,575 --> 01:59:22,328 to a France I could love. 85605

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