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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:50,550 --> 00:00:51,968 Walk faster, people. 2 00:00:52,052 --> 00:00:54,679 You want to be in? Go, all of you. Come on. 3 00:00:54,763 --> 00:00:57,223 -Can Spice come? -Sure. Go ahead. 4 00:00:57,307 --> 00:00:58,808 -Spice. -Spicy! 5 00:00:58,892 --> 00:01:00,810 Hi. 6 00:01:00,894 --> 00:01:03,438 -The more the merrier. -It's Wizard of Oz time. 7 00:01:03,521 --> 00:01:05,857 Okay! 8 00:01:07,108 --> 00:01:09,444 You guys ready? 9 00:01:10,653 --> 00:01:12,113 -Yeah! -Come on! 10 00:01:12,197 --> 00:01:13,406 Here they come. 11 00:01:24,459 --> 00:01:25,710 Let him go. 12 00:01:27,587 --> 00:01:29,798 -Oh, okay. -He's wagging. 13 00:01:29,881 --> 00:01:32,550 -Aaron. -Aaron, back up a bit. 14 00:01:33,301 --> 00:01:34,385 Okay. 15 00:01:36,596 --> 00:01:37,931 Come on. 16 00:01:38,431 --> 00:01:39,516 I'll get it. 17 00:01:40,433 --> 00:01:43,144 That's good. Aaron, go in and get it. 18 00:01:43,228 --> 00:01:45,396 Get down in there and get that boat. 19 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,774 Look at him. 20 00:01:49,317 --> 00:01:52,028 Ugh. What if there was toxic waste in here? 21 00:01:52,112 --> 00:01:53,279 Don't even joke. 22 00:01:53,363 --> 00:01:55,198 He'd die. 23 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,914 Somebody has to keep track of where everything is buried. 24 00:04:09,791 --> 00:04:14,963 It's not just poison in the earth, it's poison of the spirit as well. 25 00:04:32,063 --> 00:04:33,273 On three? 26 00:04:35,483 --> 00:04:37,694 One of the reasons the Wallkill River is a sewer 27 00:04:37,777 --> 00:04:41,864 is because of the Orange County Landfill, situated on the riverbank. 28 00:04:43,533 --> 00:04:44,534 Shit! 29 00:04:45,285 --> 00:04:47,287 -Oops. -Shit! 30 00:04:47,370 --> 00:04:51,541 To me, it's more than just a record of environmental crime. 31 00:04:52,417 --> 00:04:55,586 All the work that we were doing on the documentaries back then, 32 00:04:56,671 --> 00:05:00,800 it's this archetype of young people rising up to the challenge, 33 00:05:00,883 --> 00:05:04,470 investigating what the problems are in their world 34 00:05:04,554 --> 00:05:06,597 and doing something about it. 35 00:05:08,182 --> 00:05:10,768 Good evening, and welcome to MHS TV 36 00:05:10,852 --> 00:05:13,438 from Middletown High School. My name is Yvonne Kolinski, 37 00:05:13,521 --> 00:05:16,107 and tonight we have a visual history of Middletown, 38 00:05:16,190 --> 00:05:18,693 a science experiment, and some other surprises. 39 00:05:27,327 --> 00:05:29,495 Have you ever heard of Middletown, New York? 40 00:05:29,579 --> 00:05:31,164 Um, maybe. 41 00:05:31,247 --> 00:05:34,000 I never heard of it, probably because I work too much. 42 00:05:34,083 --> 00:05:35,126 Never heard of it. 43 00:05:35,710 --> 00:05:36,961 No, I'm sorry. 44 00:05:37,045 --> 00:05:39,672 They don't know where it is. 45 00:05:41,549 --> 00:05:44,802 Okay, so not everyone has heard of Middletown, New York. 46 00:05:44,886 --> 00:05:46,179 I don't get it. 47 00:05:46,262 --> 00:05:48,765 Everybody up there has heard of New York City. 48 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:52,143 Straight up the river, 60 miles. Come on, I'll show you. 49 00:05:52,226 --> 00:05:54,228 …keep her on a short leash 50 00:05:54,312 --> 00:05:55,313 I try… 51 00:05:55,396 --> 00:05:58,232 One hour and 30 minutes. Not bad. 52 00:05:58,316 --> 00:06:04,489 I try to ram her into the ground, yeah 53 00:06:08,576 --> 00:06:11,037 Can't fight the seether 54 00:06:11,954 --> 00:06:14,624 Can't fight the seether 55 00:06:15,458 --> 00:06:18,169 Can't fight the seether, I can't… 56 00:06:18,252 --> 00:06:20,880 We moved to Middletown when I was three. 57 00:06:20,963 --> 00:06:23,007 It was blue-collar. 58 00:06:23,091 --> 00:06:25,051 You know, every house looked exactly the same. 59 00:06:28,054 --> 00:06:31,641 We were living in New York City, and there was a story 60 00:06:31,724 --> 00:06:34,811 that my brother got, like, jacked at the park 61 00:06:34,894 --> 00:06:36,687 for his Big Wheel or his bicycle, 62 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,400 and my parents decided we're going to move to the suburbs. 63 00:06:42,610 --> 00:06:45,780 Back then, Middletown was primarily known for dairy farming. 64 00:06:45,863 --> 00:06:48,741 It was a bucolic setting, I guess. 65 00:06:48,825 --> 00:06:51,035 There was a canopy over most of the streets in town, 66 00:06:51,119 --> 00:06:53,746 so you'd always feel like you were driving through tunnels of trees. 67 00:06:53,830 --> 00:06:57,834 We had our fair share of sketchy spots, like anywhere else. 68 00:06:57,917 --> 00:07:01,170 An episode of Cops was shot at the Orange Plaza Mall. 69 00:07:01,254 --> 00:07:04,924 I think it was, like, the first time we saw Middletown on TV. 70 00:07:05,007 --> 00:07:08,177 …till I'm foaming at the mouth 71 00:07:08,261 --> 00:07:10,972 Can't find the seether… 72 00:07:12,056 --> 00:07:14,934 You know, growing up there, it doesn't feel overly special. 73 00:07:15,017 --> 00:07:16,644 You guys going on a beer run? 74 00:07:16,727 --> 00:07:19,063 You were always going somewhere else. 75 00:07:19,147 --> 00:07:23,067 Going to the city or going to the Jersey Shore, going to Long Island. 76 00:07:23,151 --> 00:07:25,319 And everybody was always trying to get out. 77 00:07:25,403 --> 00:07:26,279 Yeah 78 00:07:37,623 --> 00:07:42,295 Hi, my name is Fred Isseks, and I teach AV Graphics Communications. 79 00:07:42,378 --> 00:07:46,174 It's a long name for a course that involves electronic media. 80 00:07:46,257 --> 00:07:49,302 We hope you, uh, are intrigued with the idea of taking this course, 81 00:07:49,385 --> 00:07:51,262 and that we see you in September. 82 00:07:52,763 --> 00:07:56,058 You knew about Fred before you met Fred. 83 00:07:57,602 --> 00:07:58,895 Like, when you get the schedules, 84 00:07:58,978 --> 00:08:00,813 they're like, "You got Fred, you're so lucky." 85 00:08:00,897 --> 00:08:04,025 People used to call him Hippie Fred or Crazy Fred. 86 00:08:04,108 --> 00:08:07,695 His hair, like, always got a little long on top. 87 00:08:07,778 --> 00:08:10,656 I do remember very early on Fred just saying, like, 88 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:12,950 "Yeah, one summer I lived in the Grand Canyon." 89 00:08:14,035 --> 00:08:17,205 Other teachers sometimes would kind of subtly denigrate him a little bit 90 00:08:17,288 --> 00:08:20,708 or suggest, you know, we're doing serious stuff over in this classroom, 91 00:08:20,791 --> 00:08:23,503 but that guy does that other stuff over there. 92 00:08:23,586 --> 00:08:27,381 Famous dead person to bring back, it'd have to be Karl Marx. 93 00:08:27,465 --> 00:08:30,635 He could come back, and he could check out all the predictions he made 94 00:08:30,718 --> 00:08:34,222 about late 20th century capitalism, if they've come true or not. 95 00:08:35,223 --> 00:08:38,851 He'd mention a philosopher, or he'd mention Noam Chomsky, 96 00:08:38,935 --> 00:08:40,603 or he'd mention Ralph Nader. 97 00:08:40,686 --> 00:08:42,271 And I thought, "Wow, this guy's smart." 98 00:08:42,355 --> 00:08:45,233 I went to law school for about two months. 99 00:08:45,316 --> 00:08:47,193 I didn't even make it to Thanksgiving vacation, 100 00:08:47,276 --> 00:08:49,320 and I realized, "This is not for me." 101 00:08:50,154 --> 00:08:53,741 When I started teaching, I fell in love with it immediately. 102 00:08:53,824 --> 00:08:57,870 I'm teaching ninth grade English, Romeo and Juliet, Of Mice and Men, 103 00:08:57,954 --> 00:08:59,539 The Old Man and the Sea. 104 00:08:59,622 --> 00:09:02,750 But after a few years, it was getting a little old to me, 105 00:09:02,833 --> 00:09:05,419 so I tried doing some extra little things. 106 00:09:06,462 --> 00:09:11,133 I came up with this idea to apply for a grant for all of $300 107 00:09:11,842 --> 00:09:14,178 and get Instamatic cameras, 108 00:09:14,262 --> 00:09:17,390 and give them to the students and have them go out 109 00:09:17,473 --> 00:09:19,392 and take pictures in town. 110 00:09:20,142 --> 00:09:23,062 So when the district did get TV cameras, 111 00:09:23,145 --> 00:09:26,899 and when we did start to move into that, they picked me to do it, 112 00:09:26,983 --> 00:09:30,444 because they said, "He knows how to use a camera. He does the Instamatic." 113 00:09:31,195 --> 00:09:33,114 Did you know how to use those cameras? 114 00:09:33,197 --> 00:09:34,156 No. 115 00:09:43,666 --> 00:09:46,877 It's a vision of education in the old model of John Dewey. 116 00:09:47,795 --> 00:09:51,340 You don't learn by sitting in a classroom and taking notes. 117 00:09:52,675 --> 00:09:54,260 You learn by doing. 118 00:09:55,428 --> 00:09:57,680 You learn by getting involved. 119 00:10:05,730 --> 00:10:07,690 This is the TV studio. 120 00:10:09,567 --> 00:10:11,652 Essentially, we had a control room in the back, 121 00:10:11,736 --> 00:10:14,697 and then this was our stage area. 122 00:10:14,780 --> 00:10:18,909 We had a round stage that someone donated to us, 123 00:10:18,993 --> 00:10:21,329 and we had a backdrop that was kind of flimsy. 124 00:10:21,412 --> 00:10:25,958 We had a couple of different editing stations set up around the room 125 00:10:26,042 --> 00:10:27,960 where students would edit their footage. 126 00:10:28,753 --> 00:10:32,256 We had a public access station a mile away from the school, 127 00:10:32,340 --> 00:10:35,176 and we could broadcast anytime we wanted. 128 00:10:37,178 --> 00:10:40,431 So I went from teaching 9th Grade English 129 00:10:40,514 --> 00:10:43,893 into doing an elective for seniors called Electronic English. 130 00:10:43,976 --> 00:10:46,937 It was regular English, except, uh, we plugged it in. 131 00:10:57,406 --> 00:10:58,699 Oh, man. 132 00:10:59,533 --> 00:11:00,910 Oh, whoa. 133 00:11:06,082 --> 00:11:07,416 It's amazing. 134 00:11:12,588 --> 00:11:13,756 Wow. 135 00:11:19,095 --> 00:11:20,971 It's going back in time. 136 00:11:25,685 --> 00:11:28,229 Do you remember what attracted you to Electronic English 137 00:11:28,312 --> 00:11:29,355 in the first place? 138 00:11:29,438 --> 00:11:32,066 I was cutting class. I was in the parking lot. 139 00:11:32,149 --> 00:11:36,070 I was walking to Burger King, and Fred saw me. 140 00:11:36,153 --> 00:11:38,739 And he said, "Look, I have this class, Electronic English." 141 00:11:38,823 --> 00:11:40,866 "If you come to class, I won't call your mom." 142 00:11:40,950 --> 00:11:42,076 And it just seemed fun. 143 00:11:42,910 --> 00:11:47,289 I watched a lot of TV as a kid, and so I was always enamored by it. 144 00:11:48,666 --> 00:11:51,877 The moment I walked in there, it was just like this whole portal 145 00:11:51,961 --> 00:11:53,170 to a new world opened. 146 00:11:53,671 --> 00:11:58,050 There'd be kids in the corner playing Onyx or, uh, Wu-Tang Clan 147 00:11:58,134 --> 00:11:59,510 and making a music video. 148 00:12:00,386 --> 00:12:03,305 But then right next to them would be some hippie kids. 149 00:12:03,389 --> 00:12:05,057 It was kind of a free-for-all. 150 00:12:06,851 --> 00:12:09,854 I just told the kids to be creative. Use your talent. 151 00:12:09,937 --> 00:12:13,149 Use it to make stuff instead of consuming stuff. 152 00:12:17,111 --> 00:12:18,863 It's easy to look back and say, 153 00:12:18,946 --> 00:12:21,532 "Well, you just showed up and hung out and he handed you a camera." 154 00:12:21,615 --> 00:12:22,992 But that's literally what happened. 155 00:12:23,576 --> 00:12:25,536 He let us shoot rap videos in the hallway. 156 00:12:25,619 --> 00:12:28,164 Karate films. 157 00:12:29,498 --> 00:12:32,460 Look at yourself You're on top of the world 158 00:12:32,543 --> 00:12:34,503 We were always filming something funny. 159 00:12:34,587 --> 00:12:37,047 Sometimes you walk around With your nose in the air 160 00:12:37,131 --> 00:12:39,341 Other times you walk around Like you just don't care 161 00:12:39,425 --> 00:12:42,678 -'Cause you're conceited -Yo-yo-yo-you're conceited 162 00:12:44,305 --> 00:12:46,474 Back then, a camcorder was still a big deal. 163 00:12:46,557 --> 00:12:47,641 Hi! 164 00:12:49,351 --> 00:12:51,604 This thing that we associated with Hollywood or something, 165 00:12:51,687 --> 00:12:52,938 so it was very exciting. 166 00:12:55,858 --> 00:12:59,153 Somewhere, there's a very embarrassing video 167 00:12:59,236 --> 00:13:02,031 of me lip-syncing to George Michael's "Faith." 168 00:13:02,114 --> 00:13:04,950 If I find that tape, you will not see it. 169 00:13:09,163 --> 00:13:10,164 Cut. 170 00:13:15,669 --> 00:13:20,090 Everybody had gotten their time to play around with the equipment, 171 00:13:20,174 --> 00:13:22,885 but then Fred gathered everybody and said 172 00:13:22,968 --> 00:13:25,471 that we needed to talk about an actual assignment. 173 00:13:26,055 --> 00:13:28,599 The school district left it pretty much open to me 174 00:13:28,682 --> 00:13:30,184 how I wanted to structure it. 175 00:13:30,267 --> 00:13:32,520 But it had to be something having to do with English. 176 00:13:33,646 --> 00:13:35,940 I could have taken it in a different direction. 177 00:13:36,023 --> 00:13:37,691 We could have produced plays. 178 00:13:37,775 --> 00:13:41,111 But for some reason, that didn't really occur to me. 179 00:13:41,195 --> 00:13:45,658 What… kind of resonated with me was the idea of doing journalism. 180 00:13:46,742 --> 00:13:49,286 Let's investigate all kinds of stories. 181 00:13:49,370 --> 00:13:51,872 Let's tell the story of the cheerleaders, 182 00:13:51,956 --> 00:13:54,583 the football team, and the Home Ec class. 183 00:13:56,544 --> 00:13:58,546 While all that's going on, 184 00:13:58,629 --> 00:14:01,924 I'm gonna turn you on to a story that I think is pretty incredible, 185 00:14:02,007 --> 00:14:04,051 and you're more than welcome to jump in on it. 186 00:14:06,929 --> 00:14:09,306 Fred's like, "Yeah, there's this thing in the landfill." 187 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:12,059 And we're like, "Yeah, whatever." We really didn't care. 188 00:14:13,185 --> 00:14:16,355 But he was like, "Stop what you're doing. All right, check this out." 189 00:14:17,857 --> 00:14:24,154 Last year, I noticed fluid coming out of the middle of the road. 190 00:14:24,238 --> 00:14:28,701 And one day I got out of my car, I touched the fluid, 191 00:14:28,784 --> 00:14:32,997 and what I would think would have been oil on the road 192 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,459 was a total spot of brown water. 193 00:14:38,085 --> 00:14:41,672 And I was told by someone in the village 194 00:14:41,755 --> 00:14:45,175 that it was from the storm sewer. 195 00:14:45,676 --> 00:14:49,013 I could go across the street and ask my neighbor for a glass of water, 196 00:14:49,096 --> 00:14:50,472 and I could put it up to my-- 197 00:14:50,556 --> 00:14:53,976 The minute she turns on the tap, the whole house stinks. 198 00:14:54,059 --> 00:14:56,061 I mean, it's raunchy smelling. 199 00:14:58,731 --> 00:15:01,859 I had an old friend named Don Tirrell. 200 00:15:02,359 --> 00:15:04,904 He lived out on a farm that he had bought. 201 00:15:05,696 --> 00:15:07,907 He said, "We've got a mess in our backyards 202 00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:09,158 that we didn't know about." 203 00:15:10,284 --> 00:15:13,370 He thought he was getting this bucolic life, 204 00:15:13,454 --> 00:15:17,625 and then he ended up living so close to a toxic landfill. 205 00:15:17,708 --> 00:15:19,418 -Is this on right now? -Yup. 206 00:15:20,419 --> 00:15:23,797 We were interviewing Don's neighbors. I worked the camera, 207 00:15:23,881 --> 00:15:25,257 and Don asked the questions. 208 00:15:25,341 --> 00:15:29,470 Right now, I am at breaking point. I really cannot take it much longer. 209 00:15:29,553 --> 00:15:32,556 Wonderful shot. Did you get that? Could you do that again? 210 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,143 And look at this. This-- This has got to be a health hazard also. 211 00:15:36,226 --> 00:15:37,728 This is draining right into my yard. 212 00:15:37,811 --> 00:15:40,356 Right now, if I cut my grass, I've got to go this way. 213 00:15:40,439 --> 00:15:42,316 So eventually, what's going to be here? 214 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:45,319 -All this… running out. -And where does it go? 215 00:15:49,323 --> 00:15:51,283 -How's Jane doing? Okay? -Yeah, good. 216 00:15:51,367 --> 00:15:53,452 I did enjoy that thing at your house Sunday. 217 00:15:53,535 --> 00:15:55,579 -It was very nice. -Thank you. 218 00:15:55,663 --> 00:15:56,830 Unbelievable. 219 00:15:56,914 --> 00:15:58,165 Isn't it? 220 00:15:58,248 --> 00:15:59,291 See? It's like an orange. 221 00:15:59,375 --> 00:16:01,752 -Come in on it. -What is that thing? 222 00:16:05,005 --> 00:16:08,008 What do you think, Fred? Think she's got a problem? 223 00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:11,971 I wouldn't want to build a family room down here. 224 00:16:12,054 --> 00:16:14,306 Every morning before leaving for work, 225 00:16:14,390 --> 00:16:16,642 I start with this one, go down to sump pump. 226 00:16:16,725 --> 00:16:18,060 Drain out. 227 00:16:31,782 --> 00:16:34,994 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Folks, if you can… 228 00:16:36,370 --> 00:16:38,831 If you guys can hold off for just another… 229 00:16:38,914 --> 00:16:40,582 Excuse me. 230 00:16:41,625 --> 00:16:44,920 If you guys can hold off for just another three minutes, 231 00:16:45,004 --> 00:16:46,088 we'll be done. 232 00:16:47,172 --> 00:16:50,217 I said, you know, "This is a story we can look into further." 233 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:54,054 Well, there's a type of student that… they woke right up. 234 00:16:55,264 --> 00:16:58,142 Once Fred started explaining the story 235 00:16:58,225 --> 00:17:02,062 in the way, like, rebellious teenagers could understand, 236 00:17:02,146 --> 00:17:04,732 then that, to me, was really exciting. 237 00:17:05,816 --> 00:17:07,693 And who do we find here? 238 00:17:08,610 --> 00:17:13,115 Zoom in. Oh, there's your heartthrob, Corey Haim. 239 00:17:13,198 --> 00:17:15,659 You're recording, you stupid shit. 240 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,203 I wasn't into politics. 241 00:17:18,287 --> 00:17:20,581 I wasn't an environmentalist. 242 00:17:22,499 --> 00:17:25,169 That was the opposite of my vibe. 243 00:17:25,252 --> 00:17:26,712 Press the button. 244 00:17:27,921 --> 00:17:29,256 Who's that? 245 00:17:29,339 --> 00:17:31,550 David Lynch. He is cool. 246 00:17:31,633 --> 00:17:33,635 Didn't you see Wild at Heart? 247 00:17:34,762 --> 00:17:36,221 Because I was Puerto Rican, 248 00:17:36,305 --> 00:17:38,974 I was, like, good with all the Puerto Rican kids. 249 00:17:40,184 --> 00:17:42,853 I also had a bunch of goth friends. 250 00:17:42,936 --> 00:17:47,191 We would hop on the train to go into the city to go to nightclubs. 251 00:17:47,983 --> 00:17:52,946 I loved any kind of, like, punk rock, in-your-face music. 252 00:17:53,030 --> 00:17:55,991 Anything that was sort of against the system. 253 00:17:57,242 --> 00:18:00,537 But deep down, I was cripplingly shy. 254 00:18:03,123 --> 00:18:05,417 -What do we have here? -I'm yours! 255 00:18:09,797 --> 00:18:11,840 Here we go. Get in the car. 256 00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:16,345 I think I was always a-- a bit of a chameleon. 257 00:18:16,845 --> 00:18:21,475 I could kind of hang out with the jocks, uh, because I played football. 258 00:18:21,558 --> 00:18:25,354 I could hang out with the stoners because I also smoked pot. 259 00:18:27,523 --> 00:18:29,858 Pack it up, pack it in Let me begin… 260 00:18:29,942 --> 00:18:34,071 But I-- Probably back in the '90s, they would have called me a poseur. 261 00:18:34,780 --> 00:18:35,697 I don't know. 262 00:18:36,448 --> 00:18:38,867 I could have been an asshole. 263 00:18:41,495 --> 00:18:43,914 My core group was the ROTC kids. 264 00:18:45,165 --> 00:18:47,584 We march around with rifles, we're spinning and flipping them. 265 00:18:50,379 --> 00:18:52,881 My father left when I was about 4 years old, 266 00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:55,592 and my stepfather's a Marine, he was tough. 267 00:18:55,676 --> 00:18:58,595 So I was left on my own, like a typical latchkey kid, 268 00:18:58,679 --> 00:19:00,722 to figure things out. 269 00:19:02,516 --> 00:19:05,144 I mean, technically, I wasn't even in Fred's class. 270 00:19:05,727 --> 00:19:09,148 He just let me hang around and participate because he took a shine to me. 271 00:19:12,734 --> 00:19:15,529 I think I was maybe an outsider. 272 00:19:16,613 --> 00:19:17,656 I had a lot of friends, 273 00:19:17,739 --> 00:19:21,243 but I never felt like I was in a clique per se. 274 00:19:22,244 --> 00:19:25,998 I had always been involved in some, like, youth and government political things. 275 00:19:26,081 --> 00:19:30,127 But the truth is I wanted to, like, blow up every corporate headquarters. 276 00:19:30,210 --> 00:19:31,545 I do believe it's a health hazard. 277 00:19:31,628 --> 00:19:35,007 My one daughter, my older one, had suffered a lot with strep throats. 278 00:19:35,090 --> 00:19:38,594 So when I saw this footage, I was hooked. 279 00:19:38,677 --> 00:19:40,053 And the doctor could never… 280 00:19:40,137 --> 00:19:41,847 And I was like, "Oh!" 281 00:19:41,930 --> 00:19:45,309 Like, "Okay." So-- So this is bigger than school was. 282 00:19:45,809 --> 00:19:49,188 I wanted to talk to anybody that knew anything about this. 283 00:19:49,771 --> 00:19:53,275 How many people are gonna be available to go to the landfill? 284 00:19:53,775 --> 00:19:57,196 It wasn't presented as a class requirement to do this. 285 00:19:57,279 --> 00:19:58,989 It was more like a soft pitch. 286 00:19:59,072 --> 00:20:01,658 Brian, Jen, Miguel… 287 00:20:01,742 --> 00:20:04,953 It was just like, "Hey, we're going to the dump. Anybody want to come?" 288 00:20:05,037 --> 00:20:08,248 People would sort of say, like, you know, scratch their heads, I think, 289 00:20:08,332 --> 00:20:10,083 and go, "You're going to the dump?" 290 00:20:10,167 --> 00:20:13,003 "Mom, can I go?" They're like, "Are you going with your teacher?" 291 00:20:13,086 --> 00:20:15,923 I'm like, "Yes." "Sure, you could go." 292 00:20:25,849 --> 00:20:28,477 I don't know where we're going. Down some dirt road. 293 00:20:29,061 --> 00:20:31,021 There's, like, garbage everywhere. 294 00:20:31,104 --> 00:20:33,232 It's a dump, yeah. What do I expect, right? 295 00:20:45,327 --> 00:20:47,579 People said, "Hey, you're being careful, right?" 296 00:20:47,663 --> 00:20:49,539 And I'd say, "Yes, I am." 297 00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:52,709 Did you trespass? 298 00:20:53,794 --> 00:20:54,670 Yes. 299 00:20:58,674 --> 00:21:01,051 It was trespassing. I was breaking the law. 300 00:21:01,635 --> 00:21:05,097 I climbed over a fence, and someone handed me a camera. 301 00:21:05,639 --> 00:21:06,807 -Hey, Rachel. -What? 302 00:21:06,890 --> 00:21:07,975 Smile for us. 303 00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:27,619 Jeff, is it taping when the arrows are moving 304 00:21:27,703 --> 00:21:28,996 or when it's stuck? 305 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:30,872 -When the arrows are moving. -All right. 306 00:21:32,082 --> 00:21:33,041 What are you taping? 307 00:21:33,125 --> 00:21:34,459 Where did that come from? 308 00:21:34,543 --> 00:21:35,711 All the holes. 309 00:21:37,629 --> 00:21:39,548 There was some pretty good camera work in there. 310 00:21:39,631 --> 00:21:42,467 Maybe some of my finest early camera work. 311 00:21:42,551 --> 00:21:44,803 Someone should lie down in it and just act dead. 312 00:21:44,886 --> 00:21:47,389 Yeah, you lie in this shit. 313 00:21:56,148 --> 00:21:57,733 Jeff, get up here! 314 00:22:00,110 --> 00:22:01,987 All right, honey, I'm coming. 315 00:22:06,283 --> 00:22:08,577 Don't go over the edge. They'll see us. 316 00:22:09,578 --> 00:22:11,246 Get a shot of that. 317 00:22:13,206 --> 00:22:15,083 It's like bubbling and shit. 318 00:22:15,167 --> 00:22:17,252 Get a lighter. Who's got a lighter? 319 00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:19,338 I wouldn't. 320 00:22:20,422 --> 00:22:22,924 -You hear it? -Yeah. I can hear it. 321 00:22:23,508 --> 00:22:24,343 Hear what? 322 00:22:24,426 --> 00:22:25,844 -Rach. -Hmm? 323 00:22:25,927 --> 00:22:28,597 Hear that. Get over here, get sound. Where is that coming from? 324 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,098 Right in that mound of dirt. 325 00:22:31,475 --> 00:22:32,684 Get the camera right close. 326 00:22:32,768 --> 00:22:34,644 -Where is it? -Hey, here you go. 327 00:22:34,728 --> 00:22:37,147 -What the hell is that? -Just listen. 328 00:22:37,230 --> 00:22:39,649 Oh, God, it smells like shit! 329 00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:41,318 Damn! 330 00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:48,700 We're on the edge of, uh, some kind of pond or pool. 331 00:22:48,784 --> 00:22:52,329 There's a green tint to it. 332 00:22:52,829 --> 00:22:54,498 How would you describe the smell? 333 00:22:54,581 --> 00:22:56,500 Oh, dead bodies and decay. 334 00:22:56,583 --> 00:22:58,460 Um, New Jersey. 335 00:22:59,586 --> 00:23:01,421 This is me skipping stones. 336 00:23:09,179 --> 00:23:11,264 We did step carefully, 337 00:23:11,765 --> 00:23:15,268 but it feels like there was a little stupidity 338 00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:18,605 meets, like, being naive. 339 00:23:21,274 --> 00:23:24,820 As high school students, we just saw bits and pieces. 340 00:23:25,695 --> 00:23:29,991 I don't think any of us had any sense of the scale or depth 341 00:23:30,075 --> 00:23:31,868 of the story yet. 342 00:23:34,913 --> 00:23:39,084 Shakopee, Minnesota, outside Minneapolis, 1973. 343 00:23:40,877 --> 00:23:44,673 A spectacular fire burns 4,000 waste drums, 344 00:23:44,756 --> 00:23:49,469 sending noxious clouds of smoke and some of the barrels into the sky. 345 00:23:50,262 --> 00:23:53,557 Leakage from this dump site has now poisoned groundwater here 346 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,475 with arsenic and lead. 347 00:23:57,060 --> 00:23:59,980 Though there were other stories that were percolating around then 348 00:24:00,063 --> 00:24:03,150 about landfills and the problems that they caused, 349 00:24:03,233 --> 00:24:05,944 Love Canal was the granddaddy of them all. 350 00:24:06,611 --> 00:24:10,157 Niagara Falls, New York, August 1978. 351 00:24:10,782 --> 00:24:13,743 Deadly chemicals seeping out of an abandoned waste dump 352 00:24:13,827 --> 00:24:17,122 called the Love Canal are blamed for health problems 353 00:24:17,205 --> 00:24:20,208 ranging from nervous disorders to birth defects. 354 00:24:20,292 --> 00:24:24,212 Five-year-old Mark Dunmire lives five blocks from the canal. 355 00:24:24,296 --> 00:24:26,214 He was born with a heart murmur, 356 00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:29,885 a urinary tract obstruction, and a diseased pancreas. 357 00:24:29,968 --> 00:24:32,304 He can't play in his basement anymore. 358 00:24:32,387 --> 00:24:33,722 It's contaminated. 359 00:24:33,805 --> 00:24:35,348 What's in there? 360 00:24:36,141 --> 00:24:37,434 Chemicals. 361 00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:40,395 And what happens with those chemicals? 362 00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:42,439 They get you very sick. 363 00:24:44,691 --> 00:24:48,236 I'm happy to say, however, that based on what we have seen and evaluated, 364 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,698 there is no evidence of benzene toxicity. 365 00:24:51,781 --> 00:24:54,618 We are coming across some abnormalities. 366 00:24:54,701 --> 00:24:56,578 This is to be expected in any population. 367 00:24:56,661 --> 00:24:59,539 As you know, there are a variety of things that can cause liver disease 368 00:24:59,623 --> 00:25:00,957 besides toxic chemicals. 369 00:25:01,541 --> 00:25:02,626 Yes, ma'am. 370 00:25:02,709 --> 00:25:04,836 I have an eight-and-a-half-year-old asthmatic. 371 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,381 I have been told by my doctors to get her out of this area. 372 00:25:08,465 --> 00:25:09,299 Perhaps under… 373 00:25:09,382 --> 00:25:10,759 It was a travesty. 374 00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:15,931 Would you please tell me, do I let my 3-year-old stay? 375 00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:19,476 She has a birth defect now. 376 00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:23,146 What are you gonna do for my kids? What are you gonna do? Nothing! 377 00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:24,439 They gotta go. 378 00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:27,359 It-- The damage is done, man! The damage is done! 379 00:25:30,862 --> 00:25:35,325 I believe that what was happening near the Wallkill Dump was the same thing. 380 00:25:36,910 --> 00:25:40,038 This is like Love Canal. This is as bad as Love Canal. 381 00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:41,915 And Don agreed. 382 00:25:53,885 --> 00:25:55,845 Good morning, my name is Valerie Basso, 383 00:25:55,929 --> 00:25:58,056 and I'm a student at Middletown High School, 384 00:25:58,139 --> 00:26:00,642 and I am here interviewing Don. 385 00:26:00,725 --> 00:26:02,644 Thank you for coming, everybody. 386 00:26:02,727 --> 00:26:07,274 Don, how do you feel about this landfill and everything, about being around it? 387 00:26:08,191 --> 00:26:12,237 Uh, well, it's taken a long time to even-- to find any feelings 388 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,240 because when I first got involved, I didn't know what the situation was. 389 00:26:15,323 --> 00:26:18,159 I didn't know how bad the toxic waste was. 390 00:26:19,035 --> 00:26:20,120 Something isn't right. 391 00:26:20,203 --> 00:26:23,915 There's a feeling in the community of something not right. 392 00:26:24,457 --> 00:26:27,502 Do you think eventually the water will cause birth defects, or…? 393 00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:30,630 It is already. It has to. 394 00:26:30,714 --> 00:26:34,759 One woman came up in tears. She had three children who were deaf. 395 00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:37,929 And she swears the water did it. 396 00:26:38,972 --> 00:26:41,474 But all I've ever done since I ever came here was fight. 397 00:26:42,267 --> 00:26:43,852 And I think that people like yourselves, 398 00:26:43,935 --> 00:26:46,187 I think your generation are willing to fight. 399 00:26:47,272 --> 00:26:50,025 But what makes you think that the politicians and everybody 400 00:26:50,108 --> 00:26:52,736 are gonna be willing to listen? How do you think we get through? 401 00:26:52,819 --> 00:26:56,239 You get on national television, on Mike Wallace, 402 00:26:56,323 --> 00:26:57,949 you're gonna make the great changes. 403 00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:00,201 I don't believe that. I know that. 404 00:27:01,036 --> 00:27:04,748 Um, if we wanna find out more about this, who do we invite in for an interview? 405 00:27:04,831 --> 00:27:06,041 Everyone. 406 00:27:06,833 --> 00:27:09,628 Everyone has a little piece of the-- of the story. 407 00:27:09,711 --> 00:27:12,714 That's why film is a wonderful medium. 408 00:27:12,797 --> 00:27:16,384 It is our literature for the next thousand years. 409 00:27:21,931 --> 00:27:24,559 -The smell is making me sick, Fred. -Yeah? 410 00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:26,811 Yeah, I don't feel well. 411 00:27:26,895 --> 00:27:28,647 -You serious? Me too. -Yeah! 412 00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:30,857 Give us a line, D.B. 413 00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:31,900 Beyotch. 414 00:27:31,983 --> 00:27:35,153 I can't believe you guys have this tape. 415 00:27:36,237 --> 00:27:38,698 Get your establishing shot, Trey. 416 00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:46,247 You know, you want to expose students to stuff. 417 00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:48,416 Here it is. This is real life. 418 00:27:49,542 --> 00:27:51,378 We weren't doing Romeo and Juliet, 419 00:27:51,461 --> 00:27:53,421 but we were doing Dutch and Willy. 420 00:27:53,505 --> 00:27:55,340 Now, is your last name Meyer? 421 00:27:55,423 --> 00:27:57,676 -Myers. M-Y-E-R-S. -Myers, Willy. 422 00:27:57,759 --> 00:27:58,802 Bill Myers. 423 00:27:58,885 --> 00:28:02,138 I'm here with Dutch Smith, former employee of the Wallkill Landfill. 424 00:28:03,139 --> 00:28:04,891 How long did you work at the landfill? 425 00:28:04,974 --> 00:28:06,851 Dutch and Willy were such characters. 426 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:10,230 I feel like if you went to Central Casting 427 00:28:10,313 --> 00:28:12,649 and asked for a landfill worker, 428 00:28:12,732 --> 00:28:14,067 you'd get Dutch Smith. 429 00:28:14,567 --> 00:28:16,611 He kind of reminded me of Popeye. 430 00:28:17,737 --> 00:28:20,824 I mean, Dutch still lived in a trailer right next to the dump. 431 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,868 You knew they lived there their whole life. 432 00:28:23,952 --> 00:28:26,579 You knew they knew everybody. Everybody knew them. 433 00:28:26,663 --> 00:28:30,458 You-- You just knew guys like that weren't making stuff up. 434 00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:32,293 What have you seen in your years here? 435 00:28:32,377 --> 00:28:35,213 Everything. If you can name it, it's in there. 436 00:28:35,296 --> 00:28:37,716 -And how much went in? -Plenty. 437 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,218 -Every day? -Every single day of the week. 438 00:28:40,969 --> 00:28:42,721 Some of it was like jelly. 439 00:28:44,013 --> 00:28:46,266 Some of it was in a powder form. 440 00:28:46,766 --> 00:28:50,562 Some of it was in like a-- a cube form. 441 00:28:50,645 --> 00:28:54,023 There's thousands and thousands of tons of toxic waste in there. 442 00:28:54,107 --> 00:28:56,860 And I know it's in there because I buried lots of it. 443 00:28:56,943 --> 00:29:00,363 Well, mostly it was me and, uh, Dutch's father-in-law 444 00:29:00,447 --> 00:29:01,865 running the dump. 445 00:29:01,948 --> 00:29:03,700 And then he got in that problem. 446 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,869 -What happened to him? -Well, he-- 447 00:29:05,952 --> 00:29:08,163 -Were you there when it happened? -Yeah, I was there. 448 00:29:08,246 --> 00:29:10,498 He run into the powder chemicals. 449 00:29:10,999 --> 00:29:14,127 And the cab all filled up and, you know, and, uh… 450 00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:18,256 He couldn't breathe very good. They took him to the hospital. 451 00:29:18,339 --> 00:29:21,676 He was in bad shape before he died. Couldn't get his breath. 452 00:29:22,802 --> 00:29:26,139 To go from Don and Fred kind of talking about it, 453 00:29:26,222 --> 00:29:30,101 once you have these firsthand accounts of it, 454 00:29:30,185 --> 00:29:31,394 it becomes real. 455 00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:35,607 Anybody come in there without a permit, we used to tell them you couldn't dump. 456 00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:36,608 Right. 457 00:29:36,691 --> 00:29:39,360 Ten minutes later or a half hour later, they'd be back. 458 00:29:39,444 --> 00:29:41,029 They had a permit to dump. 459 00:29:41,112 --> 00:29:45,200 There was very few what you could call local trucks around here. 460 00:29:45,283 --> 00:29:47,076 It-- It was all big companies. 461 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,287 -From out of the area. -From out of the area. 462 00:29:49,871 --> 00:29:52,457 Yeah, well, I knowed it was wrong by putting it in there, 463 00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:55,919 but, you know, hey, the town gave them the okay and I worked for the town. 464 00:29:56,002 --> 00:29:58,630 What could I say? Well, I couldn't tell the guy to leave. 465 00:29:58,713 --> 00:30:00,757 -All right, thanks a lot, Dutch. -Yeah, be good. 466 00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:03,468 I was so excited. 467 00:30:05,094 --> 00:30:07,305 We thought for sure we had blown this thing open 468 00:30:07,388 --> 00:30:09,390 and we were going to make some headlines. 469 00:30:09,891 --> 00:30:12,435 I told my wife, I said, "They're all Mafia-owned." 470 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:13,645 "I'll lay money on it." 471 00:30:13,728 --> 00:30:15,897 I felt like, "Wow, what a scoop." 472 00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:19,192 I mean, if the newspaper knew this, the story was going to get out. 473 00:30:20,109 --> 00:30:24,781 The Times Herald-Record played a vital role in the community. 474 00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:30,119 If it didn't make it into the Record, it was almost as if it didn't happen. 475 00:30:31,412 --> 00:30:33,248 For a minute, I thought you worked for Cable 6, 476 00:30:33,331 --> 00:30:34,749 and I noticed you were shooting VHS. 477 00:30:34,833 --> 00:30:36,459 Yeah. Middletown High School. 478 00:30:36,543 --> 00:30:38,586 Yeah, okay. You work with Fred? 479 00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:40,922 We thought our local paper would be excited and outraged 480 00:30:41,005 --> 00:30:42,590 over the information we brought to light, 481 00:30:42,674 --> 00:30:45,385 but we found out we got no encouragement from them whatsoever. 482 00:30:46,052 --> 00:30:49,556 So it was like, okay, new approach. 483 00:30:49,639 --> 00:30:53,977 Let's just invite the paper's editor to come talk to our journalism class. 484 00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,479 I think he thought, "Yeah, I'm just gonna go talk 485 00:30:56,563 --> 00:30:58,940 to a few kids in a high school." How bad could that go? 486 00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:06,281 Hi, I'm Trey Long here with Gary Grossman, 487 00:31:06,364 --> 00:31:08,283 the editor-in-chief of the Times Herald-Record. 488 00:31:08,366 --> 00:31:10,201 Thank you very much for coming, Mr. Grossman. 489 00:31:10,285 --> 00:31:13,746 Um, one thing that we find ourselves very concerned with is the environment. 490 00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:15,790 And I know Jeff has some questions for you 491 00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:19,043 concerning the environment as far as Orange County 492 00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:21,004 and how the Record deals with it. 493 00:31:21,504 --> 00:31:23,506 Um… Um… 494 00:31:25,008 --> 00:31:27,510 We, uh… A lot of students in the journalism class, 495 00:31:27,594 --> 00:31:30,680 we made a video about solid waste disposal in Orange County. 496 00:31:30,763 --> 00:31:32,265 And I dropped off the tape 497 00:31:32,348 --> 00:31:34,601 at the, um, Times Herald-Record Middletown office. 498 00:31:34,684 --> 00:31:36,311 I was wondering if you ever saw that tape. 499 00:31:36,394 --> 00:31:38,062 -No. No. -You haven't. 500 00:31:38,146 --> 00:31:41,858 Well, let me explain to you a little about what it was. Um… 501 00:31:41,941 --> 00:31:45,403 It was about the-- the problem we're having in the landfills 502 00:31:45,486 --> 00:31:48,281 and the problem with solid waste disposal. 503 00:31:48,364 --> 00:31:52,911 And one of the major differences between our tape, the focus point, 504 00:31:52,994 --> 00:31:58,207 was that our tape showed it as an environmental problem. 505 00:31:58,291 --> 00:32:00,084 Whereas I think that, 506 00:32:00,168 --> 00:32:02,587 from what I've read in the reporting in The Record, 507 00:32:02,670 --> 00:32:06,049 it sees it more as an economic problem for the people of Orange County. 508 00:32:06,132 --> 00:32:07,675 What do you think about that? 509 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,678 Well, I think they're probably hard to, uh, separate, don't you? 510 00:32:12,138 --> 00:32:15,308 -It'd be hard to separate? -Yeah. I-- I think that, uh… 511 00:32:16,476 --> 00:32:19,771 a lot of environmental solutions have economic costs. 512 00:32:19,854 --> 00:32:23,066 And to some extent, the determination of the environmental solution… 513 00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:28,154 uh, depends on what people are willing to pay for it. 514 00:32:28,237 --> 00:32:30,406 He looks so mad. 515 00:32:32,951 --> 00:32:34,744 Well, um, another difference 516 00:32:34,827 --> 00:32:37,455 is that a lot of people that we've interviewed, 517 00:32:37,538 --> 00:32:40,249 um, blame the problem on corruption. 518 00:32:40,333 --> 00:32:42,835 -What was your question? -I'm just saying, um… 519 00:32:43,419 --> 00:32:46,464 that the people we've interviewed have said 520 00:32:46,547 --> 00:32:49,133 that there is a problem there of corruption. 521 00:32:49,217 --> 00:32:51,594 Possibly. Do they have proof? 522 00:32:53,763 --> 00:32:55,348 Well, um… 523 00:32:56,057 --> 00:32:58,059 We're all entitled to our opinions about everything. 524 00:32:58,142 --> 00:32:59,978 One of the things we have to learn as reporters 525 00:33:00,061 --> 00:33:02,730 is that, uh… There's an old saying in our business, 526 00:33:02,814 --> 00:33:05,024 when your mother says she loves you, check it out. 527 00:33:06,442 --> 00:33:07,318 And that is that, uh, 528 00:33:07,402 --> 00:33:09,946 just about anything you see, you should be skeptical about. 529 00:33:10,613 --> 00:33:12,907 Gary's mom didn't love him. 530 00:33:12,991 --> 00:33:16,119 But don't you see that as corruption? Isn't there a cover-up there? 531 00:33:16,202 --> 00:33:18,204 I don't know. I mean, do you? 532 00:33:18,287 --> 00:33:20,498 -Yeah, I see it as corruption. -I don't know. Okay. 533 00:33:20,581 --> 00:33:22,583 Well, you're entitled to your opinion. 534 00:33:23,334 --> 00:33:26,087 The point I made earlier, which I don't think you quite get, 535 00:33:26,170 --> 00:33:28,214 is that beliefs are not important. 536 00:33:28,297 --> 00:33:30,883 Verification is important. Reporting is important. 537 00:33:30,967 --> 00:33:33,761 It's not what you believe, it's what you can prove. 538 00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:36,347 And I-- I recognize that you have to somehow start out 539 00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:39,308 with a worldview, and you have to investigate it. 540 00:33:39,809 --> 00:33:42,145 Your job is to search out the facts 541 00:33:42,645 --> 00:33:44,689 and to be able to prove what you write. 542 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,692 Is it true? Is it verifiable? 543 00:33:48,401 --> 00:33:49,777 Because it can be libel. 544 00:33:49,861 --> 00:33:51,070 -Well-- -You can hurt people. 545 00:33:51,154 --> 00:33:53,781 We've asked the questions and we've done the research, 546 00:33:53,865 --> 00:33:56,325 and still nobody wants to listen to us. 547 00:33:56,826 --> 00:33:59,704 We dropped the tape off at the Times Herald-Record. 548 00:33:59,787 --> 00:34:01,581 -And nobody saw it. -Mm-hmm. 549 00:34:01,664 --> 00:34:04,042 We've done the research, but nobody's-- 550 00:34:04,125 --> 00:34:06,544 It's tough. Sometimes people don't read the paper too. 551 00:34:06,627 --> 00:34:08,254 I recognize it. It's tough. 552 00:34:08,337 --> 00:34:10,631 We have an extra tape if you'd like to have one now. 553 00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:12,175 I don't really want to see your tape. 554 00:34:12,258 --> 00:34:14,010 If your tape was dropped off at the paper, 555 00:34:14,093 --> 00:34:16,095 I'm sure somebody at the papers looked at it. 556 00:34:17,972 --> 00:34:20,683 What you've discovered there may not be news. 557 00:34:20,767 --> 00:34:23,561 It may be something that everybody's working on. 558 00:34:23,644 --> 00:34:26,814 It may be something that people are working very hard to solve. 559 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,941 My question to you, I guess, is, 560 00:34:29,025 --> 00:34:32,278 what is it you think you have that hasn't been reported, 561 00:34:33,404 --> 00:34:35,031 and how do you know it's true? 562 00:34:40,328 --> 00:34:43,998 I'm n-nervous for that kid, you know? 563 00:34:45,249 --> 00:34:49,545 I think I started doubting if any of-- of what I was saying was true. 564 00:34:50,129 --> 00:34:52,757 I'd like to thank Mr. Grossman again for stopping by, 565 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,094 and thank you all for participating the way you did. 566 00:34:56,177 --> 00:34:58,096 Thank you. 567 00:35:03,976 --> 00:35:05,728 Okay. 568 00:35:11,567 --> 00:35:13,361 I'd like to introduce you to… 569 00:35:15,404 --> 00:35:17,824 my wife, Denise. 570 00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:21,577 My daughter… Sadie, 571 00:35:21,661 --> 00:35:23,663 and our snowman. 572 00:35:25,748 --> 00:35:27,625 And me. I'm… 573 00:35:29,377 --> 00:35:31,170 I'm, uh, Daddy. 574 00:35:33,297 --> 00:35:34,924 I think I was generally pretty good 575 00:35:35,007 --> 00:35:38,094 about separating school time from family time. 576 00:35:38,928 --> 00:35:40,429 But still, there were days 577 00:35:40,513 --> 00:35:44,433 when thinking about our investigation was pretty consuming. 578 00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:46,310 Come on, let's raise some hell. 579 00:35:46,394 --> 00:35:47,436 Here. 580 00:35:53,442 --> 00:35:56,112 Yeah, so just go off in that direction, looking serious. 581 00:35:56,195 --> 00:35:58,030 So everybody, quiet on the set. Here we go. 582 00:35:58,114 --> 00:36:00,116 -Throw a snowball. -Okay. 583 00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:01,701 My name is Jeff Dutemple, 584 00:36:01,784 --> 00:36:03,786 and I'm a student in Middletown High School. 585 00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:06,664 Okay, wait, stop. We're gonna take that part out, we decided. 586 00:36:06,747 --> 00:36:09,750 -Okay. Okay. -Just a little bit louder, but not much. 587 00:36:10,501 --> 00:36:11,544 This old dump is s-- 588 00:36:11,627 --> 00:36:13,671 -Is a sym-- Ooh. -Start with "this old dump." 589 00:36:13,754 --> 00:36:16,549 Yeah. This old dump is symbolic of the general failure 590 00:36:16,632 --> 00:36:18,718 of our government to protect us. 591 00:36:19,385 --> 00:36:21,762 Okay, hang on. That was good, except this thing. 592 00:36:21,846 --> 00:36:23,848 I'm gonna have to go on manual. 593 00:36:23,931 --> 00:36:25,766 During my freshman year of high school, 594 00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:30,438 my dad got into some criminal issues. 595 00:36:30,521 --> 00:36:35,359 He-- He got busted for basically stealing from his company. 596 00:36:36,152 --> 00:36:38,279 I don't even know if they do this anymore, 597 00:36:38,362 --> 00:36:40,323 uh, but he served weekends. 598 00:36:40,406 --> 00:36:42,366 He was-- He served weekend jail. 599 00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:46,037 So we would drop him off at like 5:00 p.m. on Friday 600 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,831 and then pick him up, uh, 5:00 p.m. on Sunday. 601 00:36:51,375 --> 00:36:52,960 He was an alcoholic. 602 00:36:53,461 --> 00:36:57,256 You know, I think he always felt bad about how his life turned out. 603 00:37:00,134 --> 00:37:03,429 Okay, if I can just get a shot of you standing here looking serious, 604 00:37:03,512 --> 00:37:04,847 like right there. 605 00:37:04,931 --> 00:37:06,140 Come a little bit closer. 606 00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:08,142 Wait. Get a close-up of me? 607 00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:09,477 Try not to laugh. 608 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,397 I 100% think that, um, Fred, 609 00:37:13,481 --> 00:37:15,942 you know, he didn't know it, 610 00:37:16,025 --> 00:37:19,737 and, you know, I probably didn't recognize it at the time, 611 00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:23,991 but looking back on it, he was a good role model for me. 612 00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:28,371 Okay, now reverse it. 613 00:37:28,454 --> 00:37:30,957 Walk toward us and stop. 614 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,792 And there was no judgment. 615 00:37:35,336 --> 00:37:36,587 He's sneaky. 616 00:37:36,671 --> 00:37:40,091 Like, he never-- He never felt like a teacher, you know? 617 00:37:40,174 --> 00:37:42,593 And-- And, like, in the best way possible. 618 00:37:42,677 --> 00:37:48,391 Like, he talked to every student 619 00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:51,686 as if they were an equal. 620 00:37:51,769 --> 00:37:53,896 The-- Cut! 621 00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:56,857 Jeff, did I say a word? Did I even make any facial expressions? 622 00:37:56,941 --> 00:38:00,361 My lens is getting all wet. We got it. We're good. 623 00:38:06,158 --> 00:38:10,246 We would work after school, on weekends, during vacations. 624 00:38:10,329 --> 00:38:13,082 Garbage never sleeps, so we were… 625 00:38:13,165 --> 00:38:14,500 We would work anytime. 626 00:38:41,736 --> 00:38:43,487 For a lot of families in Middletown, 627 00:38:43,571 --> 00:38:45,573 it's a lot of just stay under the radar. 628 00:38:45,656 --> 00:38:47,533 Right? Like, don't get in trouble. 629 00:38:47,616 --> 00:38:50,202 Don't be too vocal. Don't be too visible. 630 00:38:50,286 --> 00:38:52,705 A lot of people had a lot of negative things to say about us. 631 00:38:52,788 --> 00:38:55,541 A lot of people judged us, a lot of people lab-- labeled us 632 00:38:55,624 --> 00:38:58,502 as tree-hugging activists, misdirected youth. 633 00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:00,546 My overall feeling 634 00:39:00,629 --> 00:39:04,342 is that my colleagues are either jealous, intimidated, or dull. 635 00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:07,136 I got an… Oh, yeah. Go fish. 636 00:39:07,219 --> 00:39:12,224 Certainly other educators would have us believe 637 00:39:12,308 --> 00:39:14,727 that Fred was a crackpot, 638 00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:20,274 and that we were following someone down a path that… 639 00:39:22,234 --> 00:39:23,402 was not reality. 640 00:39:32,453 --> 00:39:36,499 And, uh, it's-- it's this guy with a-- a pretty heavy accent. 641 00:39:36,582 --> 00:39:39,168 And he said, "You're scraping the tip of the iceberg." 642 00:39:39,251 --> 00:39:41,629 "I got the whole story. I was there. I got it." You know? 643 00:39:41,712 --> 00:39:43,964 "You can call me Mr. B. I'll be in touch with you again." 644 00:39:44,048 --> 00:39:46,050 "Nice talking to you." And he hangs up. 645 00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:54,850 Informer, you no say daddy Mi Snow me I go blame 646 00:39:54,934 --> 00:39:56,435 I lick he boom-boom down 647 00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:59,730 'Tective man a say, say daddy me Snow Me stab someone down the lane 648 00:39:59,814 --> 00:40:01,899 …they come And-a they blow down me door… 649 00:40:01,982 --> 00:40:05,027 Oh! We're heading down the main road of Middletown, New York. 650 00:40:05,111 --> 00:40:07,696 -The diner, that was our hangout. -Pre-game spot! 651 00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:09,782 The place to feast here in Middletown. 652 00:40:10,658 --> 00:40:12,368 …with my dibbie-dibbie girl 653 00:40:12,451 --> 00:40:15,079 Police knock my door, lick up my pal 654 00:40:15,162 --> 00:40:17,289 Rough me up and I can't do a thing… 655 00:40:17,373 --> 00:40:18,666 Pick up my line when my… 656 00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:35,766 We were sort of toiling in obscurity, it felt like. 657 00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:39,770 I mean, I wasn't totally clear if we should keep going. 658 00:40:41,272 --> 00:40:45,443 I remember I asked Fred if he thought we should try a new approach. 659 00:40:46,485 --> 00:40:48,404 He said, "Yeah, I would push harder." 660 00:40:49,071 --> 00:40:50,990 I have a friend who's a trapper. 661 00:40:51,657 --> 00:40:54,827 He would notice that some of the raccoons 662 00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:57,872 had more toes than they should have had. 663 00:40:57,955 --> 00:41:00,624 I call it the mutants of Bloomingburg. 664 00:41:02,001 --> 00:41:03,085 What is that? 665 00:41:03,669 --> 00:41:06,172 Well, you see, this is the head of a rabid raccoon. 666 00:41:07,256 --> 00:41:11,051 Fred took us on a field trip to meet New York's wildlife pathologist. 667 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,554 And we're going in. 668 00:41:14,305 --> 00:41:16,932 I mean, it's crazy that the entire state of New York 669 00:41:17,016 --> 00:41:18,934 has one pathologist, 670 00:41:19,518 --> 00:41:23,314 and that he would just travel around all day, every day, 671 00:41:23,397 --> 00:41:24,690 to-- to try to… 672 00:41:25,649 --> 00:41:27,860 you know, save the environment. 673 00:41:29,361 --> 00:41:30,946 I think you should get in there. 674 00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:36,494 Although it looks pretty crowded, 675 00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:39,788 it's really a pretty good laboratory for basic pathology. 676 00:41:40,372 --> 00:41:42,208 Be careful not to step on the blood here. 677 00:41:45,836 --> 00:41:46,962 Uh-oh. 678 00:41:48,714 --> 00:41:50,174 Ew! 679 00:41:52,968 --> 00:41:56,263 Okay, uh… Quite a lot of you. Wow. 680 00:41:57,014 --> 00:41:59,850 I watched your, uh… I've watched your tapes. 681 00:42:01,143 --> 00:42:03,729 And I thought you did a really excellent job. 682 00:42:04,396 --> 00:42:11,195 I also watched the, uh, critique by the Middletown newspaper editor. 683 00:42:12,571 --> 00:42:17,076 And, uh, I wasn't surprised by the kinds of things that he said. 684 00:42:17,826 --> 00:42:19,537 There's a valuable lesson in that, 685 00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:22,373 and that is that you can be absolutely right in what you do, 686 00:42:23,207 --> 00:42:25,501 and it doesn't mean that it's going to be accepted. 687 00:42:25,584 --> 00:42:27,795 You can run into stiff opposition. 688 00:42:28,504 --> 00:42:32,466 Polluters have an inordinate amount of influence 689 00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:35,302 on what gets done in government. 690 00:42:35,386 --> 00:42:38,264 I mean, an ordinary person does not have the influence 691 00:42:38,347 --> 00:42:42,393 that a president of a corporation like General Motors does, 692 00:42:42,476 --> 00:42:46,522 which makes it difficult to fight powerful adversaries. 693 00:42:46,605 --> 00:42:49,233 You can only do it by being very determined. 694 00:42:50,025 --> 00:42:50,859 Any questions? 695 00:42:52,903 --> 00:42:55,155 We loved Ward immediately. 696 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,868 He took the element of crackpot away from Fred and Don. 697 00:42:59,952 --> 00:43:04,081 I am a scientist I seek to understand me 698 00:43:04,164 --> 00:43:08,002 All of my impurities And evils yet unknown… 699 00:43:08,627 --> 00:43:10,254 Get a shot of your boots. 700 00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:18,012 I am an incurable And nothing else behaves like me 701 00:43:18,512 --> 00:43:22,391 I guess if we thought of like Fred as sort of a father figure to us, 702 00:43:22,474 --> 00:43:25,352 Ward Stone would be like the crotchety uncle. 703 00:43:26,687 --> 00:43:28,814 I found him incredibly inspiring. 704 00:43:28,897 --> 00:43:33,902 …clues for which I search And choose to abuse… 705 00:43:34,528 --> 00:43:38,365 See the IV tubes and bags. IV bags and tubes. 706 00:43:39,366 --> 00:43:40,409 Mmm. 707 00:43:40,909 --> 00:43:42,244 Probably twice a head. 708 00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:43,996 IV tube. 709 00:43:46,582 --> 00:43:48,250 Some medicine vials too. 710 00:43:49,043 --> 00:43:51,712 And I know what's right 711 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,508 But I'm losing sight of the clues 712 00:43:56,592 --> 00:44:00,512 For which I search And choose to abuse 713 00:44:00,596 --> 00:44:03,098 To just unlock my mind 714 00:44:03,182 --> 00:44:06,935 Yeah, and just unlock my mind 715 00:44:07,019 --> 00:44:10,314 -"February 7th, 1974." -'74. 716 00:44:10,397 --> 00:44:11,815 On the medical waste. 717 00:44:13,275 --> 00:44:15,361 Like, I-- It was so out in the open. 718 00:44:15,444 --> 00:44:19,031 Like, we weren't digging. We were just walking around. 719 00:44:19,114 --> 00:44:21,408 So then it was sort of leading to, 720 00:44:21,492 --> 00:44:23,952 "Well, if this is what's on the surface, what's underneath?" 721 00:44:24,536 --> 00:44:27,247 So you're gonna be talking to me, I'm gonna be looking at you or what? 722 00:44:27,331 --> 00:44:29,792 -Um, you can talk to him. -Yeah. 723 00:44:29,875 --> 00:44:31,794 So what's this we're looking at here? 724 00:44:31,877 --> 00:44:34,713 Well, we haven't got all our data back on it. 725 00:44:34,797 --> 00:44:37,132 This is not the kind of stuff that you want to move 726 00:44:37,216 --> 00:44:40,719 on down to the stream and further on down into the wetlands. 727 00:44:46,183 --> 00:44:50,771 I think we knew that toxic waste was illegally dumped. 728 00:44:51,355 --> 00:44:55,025 What we didn't know was who was allowing it to happen. 729 00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:57,403 Who's allowing this to continue to happen? 730 00:44:57,486 --> 00:44:59,488 Who allowed it to happen for 20 years? 731 00:44:59,571 --> 00:45:04,034 Who ever thought it was a good idea to put a landfill on an aquifer? 732 00:45:04,118 --> 00:45:07,371 Okay, pretend that I'm Mario Cuomo 733 00:45:07,454 --> 00:45:09,498 and you're telling me all about this mess. 734 00:45:09,581 --> 00:45:12,251 The landfill was built on top of an aquifer, 735 00:45:12,334 --> 00:45:14,920 which is like a moving water source, 736 00:45:15,003 --> 00:45:19,258 which feeds into the local water and into the Hudson River. 737 00:45:20,050 --> 00:45:22,928 It was the water which my parents were drinking, 738 00:45:23,011 --> 00:45:24,304 which I was drinking. 739 00:45:24,388 --> 00:45:27,474 I went home and said, "We need to buy bottled water." 740 00:45:27,558 --> 00:45:30,185 My mother grew up in the East River housing projects 741 00:45:30,269 --> 00:45:31,437 in East Harlem. 742 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,856 She was like, "Pay for water? We're not gonna pay for water." 743 00:45:33,939 --> 00:45:35,858 Like, "Water bottles? What are you talking about?" 744 00:45:35,941 --> 00:45:39,945 We brought in the people who were the usual suspects. 745 00:45:40,821 --> 00:45:43,115 You were also town supervisor of Wallkill. 746 00:45:43,699 --> 00:45:46,702 Was there any toxic waste being brought in there 747 00:45:46,785 --> 00:45:48,704 that, you know, that anybody… 748 00:45:48,787 --> 00:45:50,122 Uh, well, at the time 749 00:45:50,205 --> 00:45:52,833 that the landfill was being used, the regulations were such 750 00:45:52,916 --> 00:45:55,335 that everything that was put there was allowed to be put there. 751 00:45:55,419 --> 00:45:56,670 Later, the regulations changed, 752 00:45:56,754 --> 00:45:59,631 and they said some things were no longer allowed to be put into a landfill, 753 00:45:59,715 --> 00:46:01,258 and they have since been taken out. 754 00:46:01,341 --> 00:46:04,303 They have been? So there's, like, nothing leaking into the stream? 755 00:46:04,386 --> 00:46:05,846 Well, not to my knowledge. 756 00:46:06,555 --> 00:46:09,892 One of the most interesting things about this entire process 757 00:46:09,975 --> 00:46:13,729 was learning that we could talk to adults as if we were adults. 758 00:46:13,812 --> 00:46:16,440 You sorta see that in some of these interviews, them not expecting 759 00:46:16,523 --> 00:46:20,944 kids to be bringing up such serious allegations from their past. 760 00:46:21,028 --> 00:46:23,989 Um, does anybody else have any questions? 761 00:46:24,072 --> 00:46:26,992 Um, do you think that working for a major corporation 762 00:46:27,075 --> 00:46:31,205 after, um, being in government raises an ethical problem? 763 00:46:31,288 --> 00:46:33,540 Would you want me to go on welfare? 764 00:46:33,624 --> 00:46:36,460 Explain to me. I don't understand your question. That's what I'm saying. 765 00:46:36,543 --> 00:46:38,212 Follow through and explain to me 766 00:46:38,295 --> 00:46:41,215 what you're-- what you're not saying and what you're thinking. 767 00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:45,219 I said what I had to say. 768 00:46:45,302 --> 00:46:47,888 There's two rules that we've got. 769 00:46:47,971 --> 00:46:50,974 You be respectful, courteous, that sort of thing, 770 00:46:51,058 --> 00:46:54,019 and you also speak the truth. 771 00:46:54,102 --> 00:46:57,272 Don't be respectful to the point where you're not really meaning it. 772 00:46:57,356 --> 00:46:58,190 Be yourself. 773 00:46:58,273 --> 00:47:00,192 Fred was like, "Here, interview these people." 774 00:47:00,275 --> 00:47:04,363 And I just loved making, you know, old white men squirm. 775 00:47:04,446 --> 00:47:07,282 In 1974, during your term 776 00:47:07,366 --> 00:47:11,453 was when they built the Orange County Landfill. 777 00:47:11,954 --> 00:47:13,705 -Is that correct? -That's correct. 778 00:47:13,789 --> 00:47:16,917 Um, it was built on an aquifer. 779 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,919 Why-- Why was that? 780 00:47:19,002 --> 00:47:22,548 When we first put that landfill in, in 1974, 781 00:47:22,631 --> 00:47:24,675 it was considered a model by the state of New York. 782 00:47:24,758 --> 00:47:25,592 Mm-hmm. 783 00:47:25,676 --> 00:47:28,095 In those days, no one talked about aquifers. 784 00:47:28,178 --> 00:47:31,139 Well, in 1970, there was a groundwater study, 785 00:47:31,223 --> 00:47:33,559 and I had just thought that common sense would say 786 00:47:33,642 --> 00:47:36,603 that you don't put your garbage in your water. 787 00:47:36,687 --> 00:47:38,772 May have been, but I don't have recollection of it. 788 00:47:38,856 --> 00:47:44,444 I felt like no one cared what I had to say in my, you know, 15, 16-year-old body. 789 00:47:44,528 --> 00:47:46,613 But you put a camera in my hands, 790 00:47:46,697 --> 00:47:50,576 and I filmed something that gets adults upset, 791 00:47:50,659 --> 00:47:51,785 and they respond. 792 00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:53,579 Like, that felt really powerful. 793 00:47:53,662 --> 00:47:56,081 Um, landfill space has become an issue in the county. 794 00:47:56,164 --> 00:47:59,251 Um, what do you think about our landfill crisis? 795 00:47:59,334 --> 00:48:03,422 This area is notorious for having dumped-- things dumped here. 796 00:48:03,505 --> 00:48:06,091 They say, you know, you should never talk about politics or religion 797 00:48:06,174 --> 00:48:07,134 at dinner, right? 798 00:48:07,718 --> 00:48:09,052 I think garbage is another thing. 799 00:48:09,136 --> 00:48:12,931 Like, who wants to even think about it for more than a couple seconds? 800 00:48:13,015 --> 00:48:15,976 Um, right off behind me, over my, uh, right shoulder, 801 00:48:16,059 --> 00:48:18,270 you can see this is all the old landfill. 802 00:48:18,353 --> 00:48:22,441 I didn't think of myself as a journalist. I would say I thought of myself more of… 803 00:48:22,941 --> 00:48:24,067 of a nuisance. 804 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,029 These guys, I don't know what they're doing. 805 00:48:27,112 --> 00:48:28,530 We're gonna go ask them in a minute. 806 00:48:28,614 --> 00:48:31,408 Hey, excuse me, do you mind showing us around? 807 00:48:32,951 --> 00:48:35,996 You kind of felt like you were involved in something special. 808 00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:39,207 It wasn't jock against nerd against, you know, geek. 809 00:48:39,291 --> 00:48:42,419 It was everybody doing something or helping somebody out. 810 00:48:43,211 --> 00:48:47,507 In hindsight, yeah, sure, I can say that was transformative, or-- or whatever. 811 00:48:47,591 --> 00:48:53,138 But at the time, it was a way to escape and-- and-- and get through high school. 812 00:48:53,221 --> 00:48:55,682 -That's the way it is. -Here. Inconspicuously. 813 00:48:57,643 --> 00:48:59,394 -Speak. -Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah? 814 00:48:59,478 --> 00:49:01,063 Speak, Pahouti, speak. 815 00:49:01,146 --> 00:49:04,191 Jeff, you're taping. The red light's on. 816 00:49:04,274 --> 00:49:05,817 Jeff, you're a dick. 817 00:49:06,318 --> 00:49:07,736 Jeff, you're a dick. 818 00:49:07,819 --> 00:49:09,237 Yeah, Jeff, you're a dick. 819 00:49:09,321 --> 00:49:10,572 You're a dick, Jeff. 820 00:49:10,656 --> 00:49:12,574 You're a dick, Jeff. 821 00:49:12,658 --> 00:49:14,284 You're a dick, Jeff. 822 00:49:14,368 --> 00:49:16,203 Yeah, Jeff, you're a dick. 823 00:49:16,286 --> 00:49:18,830 "Now the Wallkill River looks like this." 824 00:49:18,914 --> 00:49:21,208 One, one thousand, two, one thousand, three. 825 00:49:21,291 --> 00:49:22,167 Then start again? 826 00:49:22,250 --> 00:49:24,127 County planner can hear us. 827 00:49:24,211 --> 00:49:26,922 Okay. Fuck you. 828 00:49:27,005 --> 00:49:28,799 Took you a while to caught on. 829 00:49:30,175 --> 00:49:32,302 I don't know whether it was the era, 830 00:49:32,386 --> 00:49:35,681 but there was just a lot of hooking up going on, 831 00:49:35,764 --> 00:49:40,352 which I know means something different now, but, you know… 832 00:49:40,435 --> 00:49:42,354 Oh, my gosh. The control room… 833 00:49:42,938 --> 00:49:44,564 I just remember kissing boys in there, 834 00:49:44,648 --> 00:49:46,441 but I'm not going to talk about that on camera. 835 00:49:46,525 --> 00:49:48,819 -Come on! -We were high school kids. 836 00:49:48,902 --> 00:49:51,363 You'd always go kiss boys in the control room. 837 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:56,410 I remember so many after-school hours 838 00:49:56,493 --> 00:49:58,203 just in the editing room. 839 00:49:58,286 --> 00:50:03,250 Just like, "What's going to make this story digestible?" 840 00:50:04,501 --> 00:50:07,838 This used to be full of little trout, full of crayfish, 841 00:50:07,921 --> 00:50:10,674 and now my water's so polluted you can't put your foot in it. 842 00:50:10,757 --> 00:50:12,300 We're destroying ourselves. 843 00:50:12,384 --> 00:50:15,512 The Indians said that years ago, white man shit in his own nest. 844 00:50:15,595 --> 00:50:18,682 We realized that we could make a movie 845 00:50:18,765 --> 00:50:21,518 that would make all of this come to life. 846 00:50:21,601 --> 00:50:25,522 Conservative old-school teachers thought it was a joke, pretty much. 847 00:50:25,605 --> 00:50:27,232 You know, "How you gonna do this?" 848 00:50:27,315 --> 00:50:32,029 Making a movie is not like writing a five-page essay. 849 00:50:32,112 --> 00:50:34,823 And, uh, I'm thinking to myself, "Yeah, it's harder." 850 00:50:35,699 --> 00:50:37,659 "We're making a documentary film." 851 00:50:37,743 --> 00:50:40,620 I remember using those words with my parents. 852 00:50:40,704 --> 00:50:43,582 "Documentary" to them felt like PBS, boring, 853 00:50:43,665 --> 00:50:44,958 so that felt safe. 854 00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:46,543 Right? If I had said, "I'm an activist, 855 00:50:46,626 --> 00:50:49,212 and I'm, like, taking down corrupt politicians," 856 00:50:49,296 --> 00:50:51,006 they would have been like, "No." 857 00:50:52,507 --> 00:50:54,342 And I said, "Let's show it to the community 858 00:50:54,426 --> 00:50:56,344 and things are going to start to fire up." 859 00:50:58,138 --> 00:51:00,432 This is Dean Dyche for MHS TV News. 860 00:51:00,515 --> 00:51:04,144 Here we have Angela Townsend, and who-- who has just wrote a poem on toxic waste. 861 00:51:04,728 --> 00:51:09,107 He smiles a happy, tinkling smile As he paints Mom's fingers red 862 00:51:09,191 --> 00:51:11,318 And if he spills it in the pond 863 00:51:11,401 --> 00:51:13,361 Three minnows may soon be dead 864 00:51:14,196 --> 00:51:17,282 As you can see at this meeting tonight, we've had a very big turnout. 865 00:51:17,783 --> 00:51:19,951 We have all local politicians from Bloomingburg. 866 00:51:20,035 --> 00:51:22,996 We have Cable 6, Times Herald-Record. 867 00:51:30,837 --> 00:51:33,048 These photos of the old town of Wallkill Dump 868 00:51:33,131 --> 00:51:34,299 were taken by an agent 869 00:51:34,382 --> 00:51:38,178 of the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation in 1976, 870 00:51:38,261 --> 00:51:40,680 the year most of my classmates and I were born. 871 00:51:40,764 --> 00:51:43,725 Our plan was to put together a video documentary 872 00:51:43,809 --> 00:51:46,770 to inform the public, to move politicians into action, 873 00:51:46,853 --> 00:51:49,898 and to attract some media attention to open up the story. 874 00:51:49,981 --> 00:51:52,275 We hoped that the problems would be taken seriously 875 00:51:52,359 --> 00:51:54,486 and a full investigation would have been conducted 876 00:51:54,569 --> 00:51:56,738 into what happened here, but it hasn't, 877 00:51:56,822 --> 00:51:59,908 even though we've tried our hardest to get the tape into the right hands. 878 00:52:00,742 --> 00:52:02,410 This is my first time at this site. 879 00:52:02,494 --> 00:52:06,206 Obviously, this is one huge pyramid of pollution. 880 00:52:06,706 --> 00:52:09,042 And I don't think there is a soul on earth 881 00:52:09,126 --> 00:52:12,921 that could tell you all the toxics that are in here or their distribution. 882 00:52:13,505 --> 00:52:16,133 Dealing with substances that cannot be removed. 883 00:52:16,216 --> 00:52:18,426 It might take 50 years of treatment, 884 00:52:18,510 --> 00:52:21,847 pumping and flushing and recycling of water 885 00:52:21,930 --> 00:52:23,932 before you can clean out some of these aquifers. 886 00:52:24,015 --> 00:52:25,892 Fifty, seventy-five, a hundred years? 887 00:52:25,976 --> 00:52:28,770 The Orange County Health Department has never done a survey 888 00:52:28,854 --> 00:52:31,731 to determine the effects of water pollution on public health. 889 00:52:31,815 --> 00:52:35,652 Does it have to be this way? Who will speak up for the people? 890 00:52:39,781 --> 00:52:42,868 -Is the mayor here tonight? -He was. I don't know where he is. 891 00:52:42,951 --> 00:52:45,871 This is what I scoop out from my cellar. 892 00:52:45,954 --> 00:52:48,248 Send it to the mayor for drinking water. 893 00:52:50,792 --> 00:52:51,918 I'm here tonight 894 00:52:52,002 --> 00:52:56,047 just letting you know that-- that people are deeply concerned about this 895 00:52:56,131 --> 00:52:58,216 within the government of the state of New York, 896 00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:00,093 and that, uh, we will launch 897 00:53:00,177 --> 00:53:03,889 an investigation into this situation 898 00:53:03,972 --> 00:53:06,892 and protect the resources, the, uh-- the water supplies 899 00:53:06,975 --> 00:53:09,477 to all, of course, the residents of, uh-- of the community. 900 00:53:15,192 --> 00:53:18,695 It was a huge deal that Assemblyman Hinchey was there. 901 00:53:19,237 --> 00:53:21,615 We have here in the Hudson River Valley, 902 00:53:21,698 --> 00:53:25,744 one of the most important, significant, historical, 903 00:53:25,827 --> 00:53:28,705 and environmental resources that this state possesses. 904 00:53:29,456 --> 00:53:32,334 When he was a rookie, he was sent to Love Canal 905 00:53:32,417 --> 00:53:35,587 to observe and to investigate 906 00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:38,131 and see if the whole story was being told. 907 00:53:38,215 --> 00:53:40,175 He had a name, he had a reputation. 908 00:53:40,258 --> 00:53:43,470 He was a maverick, a crusader. He was all those things. 909 00:53:43,553 --> 00:53:44,554 So I'm thinking, 910 00:53:44,638 --> 00:53:47,974 "We're gonna get these guys, we're gonna clean things up." 911 00:53:48,058 --> 00:53:49,684 "We're rolling. We got 'em." 912 00:53:51,061 --> 00:53:52,896 Good evening, and welcome to MHS TV. 913 00:53:52,979 --> 00:53:55,899 Tonight, we have more general high school section nine soccer highlights, 914 00:53:55,982 --> 00:53:57,817 a book week presentation, and more. 915 00:53:59,611 --> 00:54:02,948 Nuclear war, there's no reason for 916 00:54:07,535 --> 00:54:10,080 -Hi, I'm Jeff Dutemple. -And I'm Rachel Raimist. 917 00:54:10,163 --> 00:54:12,249 On Friday, March 20th, 1992, 918 00:54:12,332 --> 00:54:14,918 Maurice Hinchey, assemblyman from Saugerties 919 00:54:15,001 --> 00:54:17,170 and the head of the task force on the environment, 920 00:54:17,254 --> 00:54:20,048 held a hearing regarding the Wallkill Landfill. 921 00:54:20,131 --> 00:54:23,718 Hinchey questioned many witnesses, including former employees at the site, 922 00:54:23,802 --> 00:54:26,221 local residents, and Ward Stone, the toxic avenger. 923 00:54:26,304 --> 00:54:27,806 Here are excerpts from the meeting. 924 00:54:27,889 --> 00:54:30,767 Oh, my God, we filmed so many hearings. 925 00:54:31,351 --> 00:54:33,812 I think if we went to a meeting, 926 00:54:34,437 --> 00:54:36,189 it counted as a grade. 927 00:54:36,273 --> 00:54:40,151 Like the core group who was working on it at that time, we just liked going. 928 00:54:40,235 --> 00:54:41,695 So the grade didn't matter. 929 00:54:41,778 --> 00:54:45,115 Do you have any way of estimating the number of paper drums 930 00:54:45,198 --> 00:54:47,033 that may have been deposited there? 931 00:54:47,117 --> 00:54:49,035 I daresay at least a thousand. 932 00:54:49,744 --> 00:54:53,540 No, I looked down, and this bag was sticking up through the soil. 933 00:54:54,291 --> 00:54:57,919 And there was one word that I could see, and it was "lead." 934 00:54:59,087 --> 00:55:01,840 It's a product called Lactra-60. 935 00:55:02,716 --> 00:55:05,677 And it's a stabilizer used in plastics. 936 00:55:07,053 --> 00:55:09,723 This kind of powder, could it-- could it do permanent damage? 937 00:55:09,806 --> 00:55:11,224 It could kill you. 938 00:55:12,475 --> 00:55:15,812 Some students put together a video, which I'm sure you're aware of. 939 00:55:15,895 --> 00:55:17,689 And the conclusions that they draw from this 940 00:55:17,772 --> 00:55:19,691 is that it was a political cover-up here. 941 00:55:19,774 --> 00:55:21,901 Do you think there's validity to that comment? 942 00:55:21,985 --> 00:55:23,486 I think that there is validity to that. 943 00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:24,571 I understand. 944 00:55:24,654 --> 00:55:26,865 The town has, in all probability, participated 945 00:55:26,948 --> 00:55:30,285 at some level in dumping that occurred at this particular site. 946 00:55:30,368 --> 00:55:33,330 I think that, to some extent, there has been a cover-up here. 947 00:55:34,497 --> 00:55:38,168 It was a moment of legitimacy for us. 948 00:55:38,251 --> 00:55:39,461 Thanks for your help. 949 00:55:39,544 --> 00:55:41,087 -We'll see you. -Yep. 950 00:55:41,171 --> 00:55:43,173 -Take it easy. -Bye. 951 00:55:43,256 --> 00:55:47,635 I mean, a lot of these things that were once dismissed as conspiracies are… 952 00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,262 There's some basis to all of them. 953 00:55:49,346 --> 00:55:51,097 -Well… -All right. 954 00:55:51,181 --> 00:55:52,349 Hopefully, we'll resolve it. 955 00:55:52,432 --> 00:55:54,267 Hopefully you'll resolve it. I hope so, yes. 956 00:55:54,351 --> 00:55:57,354 I-- I think we're-- we're on our way to resolving it. 957 00:55:57,937 --> 00:56:00,273 We will, uh, look forward to the additional results 958 00:56:00,357 --> 00:56:01,983 of tests that were taken by Mr. Stone. 959 00:56:02,067 --> 00:56:05,320 And I think that they could be possibly very revealing. 960 00:56:05,820 --> 00:56:07,530 That-- That ends this hearing. 961 00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:25,757 April 7th. 962 00:56:29,177 --> 00:56:31,930 He says he went back to the dump to do more research, 963 00:56:32,013 --> 00:56:35,058 but the town supervisor had him thrown off the site. 964 00:56:36,476 --> 00:56:39,521 They even confiscated his samples when he tried to leave. 965 00:56:40,105 --> 00:56:42,649 They've decided to conduct their own investigation 966 00:56:42,732 --> 00:56:44,150 and Ward's not part of it. 967 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,405 So we decided we'd all go together. 968 00:56:48,988 --> 00:56:51,408 We made a decision to tip off the local media 969 00:56:51,491 --> 00:56:52,617 that we'd be there. 970 00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:59,124 We followed Ward filming, and then the news filmed us filming Ward. 971 00:57:00,083 --> 00:57:03,128 There was a bit of spectacle involved with that. 972 00:57:04,045 --> 00:57:06,381 -What have you got to hide? -I have nothing to hide, sir. 973 00:57:06,464 --> 00:57:08,216 -Yes, you do. -There are no-- Mr. Stone. 974 00:57:08,299 --> 00:57:09,968 -The agreement-- -You got something to hide. 975 00:57:10,051 --> 00:57:13,179 The agreement with Assemblyman Hinchey and your offices-- 976 00:57:13,263 --> 00:57:14,139 Not my office. 977 00:57:14,222 --> 00:57:18,560 You can do anything you'd like here, sir, as long as my engineers are present. 978 00:57:18,643 --> 00:57:20,019 Get 'em. Get 'em, I'm here. 979 00:57:20,103 --> 00:57:21,312 You want to come here and work, 980 00:57:21,396 --> 00:57:23,398 you'll come here and work when my engineers are here. 981 00:57:23,481 --> 00:57:25,567 I cover the entire state of New York! 982 00:57:25,650 --> 00:57:28,111 I came. I don't work on bankers' hours. 983 00:57:28,194 --> 00:57:31,906 -Were there engineers with you? -I was here in the time span. 984 00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:34,200 -Sir, were the engineers-- -I was here in the-- Sir! 985 00:57:37,036 --> 00:57:39,998 I always thought politicians were just humoring us 986 00:57:40,081 --> 00:57:44,210 because it was like cute and, you know, civic engagement with young people. 987 00:57:44,294 --> 00:57:47,839 But that day with Ward, that wasn't cute. 988 00:57:47,922 --> 00:57:52,677 We were definitely meddling kids in the middle of things. 989 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,221 And it was-- It felt heated. The police came. 990 00:57:55,305 --> 00:57:56,848 Do you understand what I'm telling you? 991 00:57:56,931 --> 00:57:58,850 I understand that you have something to cover up. 992 00:57:58,933 --> 00:58:02,061 You don't want to see data that is in contrast to you. 993 00:58:02,145 --> 00:58:03,605 -Understand what I'm telling you? -No. 994 00:58:03,688 --> 00:58:05,815 -You don't understand? -I understand what you're saying. 995 00:58:05,899 --> 00:58:06,858 I am not accepting it 996 00:58:06,941 --> 00:58:09,694 till I hear something different from our law enforcement. 997 00:58:09,777 --> 00:58:11,488 We're closed. You're not taking any samples. 998 00:58:11,571 --> 00:58:13,114 We'll see. We'll see. 999 00:58:13,198 --> 00:58:15,408 Get a court order, and I'll honor it. 1000 00:58:15,492 --> 00:58:17,452 I want to look around if I don't take samples. 1001 00:58:17,535 --> 00:58:19,496 No, sir. You're not doing anything. You're leaving. 1002 00:58:19,579 --> 00:58:20,872 You're a problem. 1003 00:58:22,081 --> 00:58:23,917 Mr. Stone, this is private property. 1004 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,543 -Public property. -No, sir. 1005 00:58:25,627 --> 00:58:27,837 You have been advised to leave the property at this time. 1006 00:58:27,921 --> 00:58:29,631 Do you know of any violation of the law? 1007 00:58:29,714 --> 00:58:32,175 Violation of the law is right now you are trespassing. 1008 00:58:32,258 --> 00:58:34,302 You've been asked to leave several times. 1009 00:58:34,385 --> 00:58:36,262 You do not leave, I'm gonna have to arrest you. 1010 00:58:39,432 --> 00:58:40,975 Jeff, stop doing that. 1011 00:58:57,033 --> 00:58:59,661 He is an intense man with plenty of swearing, 1012 00:58:59,744 --> 00:59:03,665 and pauses for Jesus to strike him dead if he is not telling the truth. 1013 00:59:08,753 --> 00:59:11,089 He says he worked with the Orange County Sheriff's Office 1014 00:59:11,172 --> 00:59:13,883 since the early '80s, and was in charge of the landfill 1015 00:59:13,967 --> 00:59:16,803 until he was removed for being overzealous. 1016 00:59:18,555 --> 00:59:22,141 Mr. B also claims to have had toxic samples destroyed 1017 00:59:22,225 --> 00:59:23,851 and notes confiscated. 1018 00:59:24,936 --> 00:59:26,396 "They're all corrupt," says Mr. B. 1019 00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:32,277 I'm starting to wonder 1020 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,362 if all of these interesting novelistic things 1021 00:59:34,445 --> 00:59:36,197 are really happening to me. 1022 00:59:38,157 --> 00:59:43,121 Or if I am a paranoid conspiracy theorist who sees plots which aren't really there. 1023 00:59:46,499 --> 00:59:47,834 Near this? 1024 00:59:47,917 --> 00:59:49,377 Nah, keep going. 1025 00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:50,962 Mr. B wants to meet soon. 1026 00:59:59,470 --> 01:00:02,307 Handing out fliers, putting them on cars and things like that. 1027 01:00:03,433 --> 01:00:06,352 Having a public meeting, informing people of the county's… 1028 01:00:08,896 --> 01:00:10,356 Hi, my name is Trey Long 1029 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,233 with MH-- MHS TV, 1030 01:00:12,317 --> 01:00:16,029 and I'd like to welcome Mr. Bill Cummings to the set today. 1031 01:00:16,112 --> 01:00:17,822 He's gonna answer some questions for us. 1032 01:00:17,905 --> 01:00:20,325 Well, this is probably where I'm gonna get beat up, 1033 01:00:20,408 --> 01:00:22,619 so might as well take it head-on. 1034 01:00:22,702 --> 01:00:24,954 Uh, Mr. Stone is a wildlife pathologist, 1035 01:00:25,038 --> 01:00:27,999 and he's supposedly one of the best in the country. 1036 01:00:28,082 --> 01:00:32,086 Um, I've heard some great things about Mr. Stone. 1037 01:00:32,587 --> 01:00:36,716 However, Mr. Stone has yet to provide anyone 1038 01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:38,134 with his test results. 1039 01:00:38,217 --> 01:00:42,764 He's made certain accusations that I would like to see investigated and handled, 1040 01:00:42,847 --> 01:00:44,599 um, but you can't investigate 1041 01:00:44,682 --> 01:00:46,851 if you don't have the information in front of you. 1042 01:00:46,934 --> 01:00:48,603 Mr. Cummings, you took his samples-- 1043 01:00:48,686 --> 01:00:50,021 Let me finish, okay? 1044 01:00:50,104 --> 01:00:52,732 I'll finish, and you guys can attack me, okay? 1045 01:00:52,815 --> 01:00:54,901 Because Ward has told-- has told us 1046 01:00:54,984 --> 01:00:56,653 that he thinks you're covering something up 1047 01:00:56,736 --> 01:00:59,822 by the way you are so adamant about not letting him see his samples. 1048 01:00:59,906 --> 01:01:02,742 I have to defend the town. I'm not gonna play pointing fingers. 1049 01:01:02,825 --> 01:01:06,037 He's told us that he's never had a problem with other towns. 1050 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:07,872 Listen, he's probably absolutely right. 1051 01:01:07,955 --> 01:01:09,791 As far as not being able to see the samples, 1052 01:01:09,874 --> 01:01:11,626 even though the town engineers weren't there. 1053 01:01:11,709 --> 01:01:13,544 He's absolutely right. Uh, what I felt was, 1054 01:01:13,628 --> 01:01:16,214 this has become such a critical, sensitive issue 1055 01:01:16,297 --> 01:01:18,841 that everybody is constantly pointing fingers, 1056 01:01:18,925 --> 01:01:21,552 and talking about corruption, talking about this, talking about that, 1057 01:01:21,636 --> 01:01:23,012 that we have to work together. 1058 01:01:23,096 --> 01:01:27,350 Um, I'm just gonna chan-- get away from the landfill for a second. 1059 01:01:27,433 --> 01:01:31,396 This is a map of the town of Wallkill and, um, Middletown, 1060 01:01:31,896 --> 01:01:35,191 and its plan for development. 1061 01:01:35,274 --> 01:01:37,985 And it's color-coded. Trey did a very nice job here. 1062 01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:39,195 Thanks, Jeff. 1063 01:01:40,405 --> 01:01:43,324 We've been told, and as we understand, 1064 01:01:43,408 --> 01:01:47,412 this-- most of this land that's zoned for industrial and commercial use 1065 01:01:47,495 --> 01:01:50,039 is, um, owned by past politicians 1066 01:01:50,123 --> 01:01:53,835 of either the town of Wallkill or Orange County. 1067 01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:57,755 Uh, yeah, there's no question that certain families 1068 01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:02,510 have a lot of, um, land interest within the town of Wallkill, absolutely. 1069 01:02:02,593 --> 01:02:03,803 Okay. 1070 01:02:03,886 --> 01:02:06,055 The reason we're asking is because we've seen 1071 01:02:06,139 --> 01:02:07,598 from a lot of different people 1072 01:02:07,682 --> 01:02:10,685 saying that the politicians have basically bought land, 1073 01:02:10,768 --> 01:02:12,353 got involved in politics, 1074 01:02:12,437 --> 01:02:16,107 zoned their own land for limited skyscraper apartments 1075 01:02:16,190 --> 01:02:17,525 or commercial districts, 1076 01:02:17,608 --> 01:02:19,861 and then planned to sell it off in the future. 1077 01:02:23,656 --> 01:02:26,701 I think a lot of it came down to parcels of land 1078 01:02:26,784 --> 01:02:29,162 that developers had their eye on. 1079 01:02:29,245 --> 01:02:32,790 If news gets out that some of these properties are tainted, 1080 01:02:32,874 --> 01:02:34,041 they become worthless. 1081 01:02:41,007 --> 01:02:44,594 When we arrived, I remember one of the city councilmen 1082 01:02:44,677 --> 01:02:47,096 saying to me, "What are you doing here?" 1083 01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:49,891 I said, "I'm filming the board meeting." And he said, "Why?" 1084 01:02:49,974 --> 01:02:51,017 Kind of with a sneer. 1085 01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:53,603 I said, "I'm here-- We're filming the meeting like a journalist." 1086 01:02:53,686 --> 01:02:55,605 And he said, "You're not a journalist." 1087 01:02:55,688 --> 01:02:57,732 First off, for those of you who are not from the town, 1088 01:02:57,815 --> 01:03:00,485 my name is Bill Cummings, I am the town supervisor. 1089 01:03:00,568 --> 01:03:03,654 This public hearing is on the topic of the landfill, 1090 01:03:04,322 --> 01:03:08,826 and the different alternatives with what we should do with the landfill. 1091 01:03:09,786 --> 01:03:12,246 The basic findings were minor contamination 1092 01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:16,834 by various organic chemicals and metals on the site only. 1093 01:03:16,918 --> 01:03:20,004 As a result, there is no imminent or immediate threat 1094 01:03:20,087 --> 01:03:22,089 to human health or the environment. 1095 01:03:22,673 --> 01:03:26,385 The landfill is a source of minor contamination, 1096 01:03:26,469 --> 01:03:29,180 but does not pose a long-term unacceptable risk 1097 01:03:29,263 --> 01:03:32,558 to either human health or the environment. 1098 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,480 The alternative that's been selected by the town 1099 01:03:37,563 --> 01:03:39,607 and by the state is alternative three. 1100 01:03:40,191 --> 01:03:43,319 Construction of a cap over the entire landfill. 1101 01:03:49,951 --> 01:03:52,537 I remember thinking, "Like a pool cover?" 1102 01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:56,040 Like, they're just gonna cover it so we don't look at it? 1103 01:03:56,123 --> 01:03:57,667 Sounds like a very dumb idea 1104 01:03:57,750 --> 01:04:01,754 because you cover something, but it's still dripping into the earth. 1105 01:04:01,838 --> 01:04:06,217 It-- It felt to me like an insult on top of an injury. 1106 01:04:06,300 --> 01:04:10,930 I understand that water can be contaminated miles away 1107 01:04:11,013 --> 01:04:13,808 and follow a stream under the ground. 1108 01:04:13,891 --> 01:04:16,352 So I think that you definitely should follow through 1109 01:04:16,435 --> 01:04:19,397 and make sure because I have grandchildren, 1110 01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:20,982 I work at the school system, 1111 01:04:21,065 --> 01:04:25,194 I-- I have many friends in the area, and… 1112 01:04:25,278 --> 01:04:26,904 it's on your conscience. 1113 01:04:26,988 --> 01:04:27,947 Please. 1114 01:04:28,823 --> 01:04:31,701 Did you do any autopsies on any of the animals? 1115 01:04:31,784 --> 01:04:33,953 No. There was no, uh, tissue analysis done 1116 01:04:34,036 --> 01:04:34,954 or anything like that. 1117 01:04:35,037 --> 01:04:37,456 -I had-- I had a pony who died. -Mm-hmm. 1118 01:04:37,540 --> 01:04:39,584 And we did have an autopsy done on her, 1119 01:04:39,667 --> 01:04:41,919 and there was toxic chemicals in her. 1120 01:04:42,420 --> 01:04:45,381 -Well, I think-- -And she-- We live a quarter mile away. 1121 01:04:46,883 --> 01:04:49,051 Does anybody else want to speak? 1122 01:04:49,135 --> 01:04:51,429 Just maybe in the back. 1123 01:04:52,555 --> 01:04:54,974 I wasn't raised like, "Your voice is important!" 1124 01:04:55,057 --> 01:04:56,809 "We want to hear what you have to say." 1125 01:04:56,893 --> 01:05:00,187 It was like, "Be quiet, do what you're supposed to do." You know? 1126 01:05:00,271 --> 01:05:03,107 I had a lot of trouble with the "be quiet" part. 1127 01:05:10,406 --> 01:05:11,949 My name is Rachel Raimist, 1128 01:05:12,033 --> 01:05:14,535 and I'm a student at Middletown High School. 1129 01:05:14,619 --> 01:05:17,121 And I just feel that I can no longer stand in the background 1130 01:05:17,204 --> 01:05:18,748 and document this on film. 1131 01:05:18,831 --> 01:05:23,753 Because this-- this story is an example for me and for my generation. 1132 01:05:23,836 --> 01:05:26,422 And all I ask is that you really investigate 1133 01:05:26,505 --> 01:05:27,965 the situation to the fullest. 1134 01:05:28,049 --> 01:05:31,302 Because it seems to me that putting a cap on this landfill 1135 01:05:31,385 --> 01:05:33,471 is merely just putting a cover on it 1136 01:05:33,554 --> 01:05:35,348 and saying, "Okay, we'll just look at it, 1137 01:05:35,431 --> 01:05:37,475 and we'll deal with it in 30 years." 1138 01:05:37,558 --> 01:05:39,018 Well, I'm gonna have to deal with it. 1139 01:05:39,101 --> 01:05:40,853 And your children are gonna have to deal with it, 1140 01:05:40,937 --> 01:05:43,105 and my children are gonna have to deal with it. 1141 01:05:43,189 --> 01:05:47,109 And it's really, really difficult to come here and listen to you say, 1142 01:05:47,193 --> 01:05:48,653 "Okay, we'll just cover this up 1143 01:05:48,736 --> 01:05:51,072 and we'll deal with it later without fully investigating." 1144 01:05:51,155 --> 01:05:54,033 Because this is a crime against humanity. 1145 01:06:00,831 --> 01:06:01,832 Yeah. 1146 01:06:02,333 --> 01:06:03,376 I wasn't wrong. 1147 01:06:10,299 --> 01:06:14,470 On TV, Middletown was picture-perfect. 1148 01:06:15,388 --> 01:06:18,516 But there's a very high rate of cancer 1149 01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:20,726 in that whole surrounding area. 1150 01:06:23,020 --> 01:06:26,732 My own parents got sick and got cancer 1151 01:06:26,816 --> 01:06:30,528 and passed away almost 30 years ago. 1152 01:06:30,611 --> 01:06:32,530 But there was a time when my mom was sick, 1153 01:06:32,613 --> 01:06:35,116 her friend was sick, the other lady down the street was sick. 1154 01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:38,661 Like, everyone was, like, waving on their way to chemo. 1155 01:06:38,744 --> 01:06:43,833 It's such a hard thing to pursue, except anecdotally. 1156 01:06:43,916 --> 01:06:46,502 To-- To say, "Look, here's a road near a dump, 1157 01:06:46,585 --> 01:06:49,964 and all these people who became ill because of it." 1158 01:06:50,047 --> 01:06:53,217 But that's not enough to make the case. 1159 01:06:53,300 --> 01:06:55,219 It's hard for laypeople to do that. 1160 01:06:56,137 --> 01:06:59,140 Okay, tape is rolling, so any time you're ready. 1161 01:06:59,223 --> 01:07:02,935 Okay. Do you want to do a sound check? 1162 01:07:03,019 --> 01:07:05,354 All right. Spread it like this. 1163 01:07:05,438 --> 01:07:08,315 I mean, Trey Long has cancer now, 1164 01:07:08,983 --> 01:07:12,361 and is asking himself if growing up in Middletown 1165 01:07:12,445 --> 01:07:13,779 made him sick. 1166 01:07:15,906 --> 01:07:17,491 What-- What can you think about that? 1167 01:07:17,575 --> 01:07:20,286 You know, it's terrible and it's happening to more and more people. 1168 01:07:22,913 --> 01:07:25,791 I really don't think it matters where somebody lives. 1169 01:07:27,793 --> 01:07:29,628 Most scientists would tell us 1170 01:07:29,712 --> 01:07:33,424 that, uh, the average American consumes 1171 01:07:33,507 --> 01:07:38,137 the equivalent of a credit card a month in microplastics, at this point. 1172 01:07:38,220 --> 01:07:41,682 If I shoved a credit card in your mouth, that would be a crime. 1173 01:07:41,766 --> 01:07:45,436 That would literally be a battery. I would have assaulted and battered you. 1174 01:07:46,979 --> 01:07:50,524 Yet, when this is done on a corporate scale, 1175 01:07:50,608 --> 01:07:52,777 everybody just sort of accepts that. 1176 01:07:55,279 --> 01:07:58,824 A landfill is where we dump our secrets. 1177 01:07:59,325 --> 01:08:02,787 Where we put our misdeeds and then paper them over, 1178 01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:04,038 cover them up. 1179 01:08:07,208 --> 01:08:09,335 We weren't going to let that happen. 1180 01:08:10,503 --> 01:08:13,089 State plans to cap a toxic landfill in Orange County 1181 01:08:13,172 --> 01:08:14,006 have come under fire. 1182 01:08:14,090 --> 01:08:17,009 Those concerned about the old town of Wallkill dump 1183 01:08:17,093 --> 01:08:20,054 say they want some answers before officials seal the site. 1184 01:08:20,137 --> 01:08:23,265 Among those concerned, a group of high school students. 1185 01:08:24,141 --> 01:08:27,228 It's a big environmental issue, and it's something that… 1186 01:08:27,311 --> 01:08:28,771 can really affect our lives. 1187 01:08:28,854 --> 01:08:31,065 It can kill people. It's a deadly issue. 1188 01:08:31,148 --> 01:08:33,484 Fred Isseks teaches at Middletown High School. 1189 01:08:33,567 --> 01:08:36,237 He says capping the dump virtually ignores evidence 1190 01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,864 his journalism students captured on videotape 1191 01:08:38,948 --> 01:08:40,616 in a class project. 1192 01:08:40,699 --> 01:08:44,620 These are kids who, in many instances, know more about what's going on 1193 01:08:44,703 --> 01:08:46,413 in the county than their parents do. 1194 01:08:47,289 --> 01:08:49,458 You've got to get out there and work for it. 1195 01:08:49,542 --> 01:08:52,878 This is what we've been doing. You know, now we're getting some exposure for it. 1196 01:08:54,588 --> 01:08:56,549 It snowballed, right? 1197 01:08:58,551 --> 01:09:00,970 Once the Village Voice article came out, 1198 01:09:01,053 --> 01:09:02,888 it was significant enough 1199 01:09:02,972 --> 01:09:08,269 that I then became, like, the Toxic Avenger guy. 1200 01:09:10,729 --> 01:09:14,525 Melvin became the Toxic Avenger, 1201 01:09:14,608 --> 01:09:18,779 the first superhero born out of nuclear waste. 1202 01:09:21,574 --> 01:09:23,409 Yeah, I-- I never saw the movie, 1203 01:09:23,492 --> 01:09:27,413 but more than one news program used that expression. 1204 01:09:39,758 --> 01:09:42,428 There are ten toxic landfills like this in Orange County, 1205 01:09:42,511 --> 01:09:44,680 all connected to the Mafia. 1206 01:09:45,639 --> 01:09:48,434 "All the drinking water is polluted," says Mr. B. 1207 01:09:56,609 --> 01:10:01,030 He strikes me as a man who has a real strong sense of justice, 1208 01:10:01,113 --> 01:10:02,031 and he's really angry 1209 01:10:02,114 --> 01:10:04,116 that this kind of thing has gone on so long 1210 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,451 and nothing's happened. 1211 01:10:05,534 --> 01:10:06,994 So he wants to come in. 1212 01:10:07,536 --> 01:10:08,746 -In here? -In here. 1213 01:10:08,829 --> 01:10:10,789 -With his gun? -Probably sometime this week. 1214 01:10:10,873 --> 01:10:14,251 No, no, we'll make sure that he leaves his gun outside. 1215 01:10:16,128 --> 01:10:18,589 And five, and ready? 1216 01:10:18,672 --> 01:10:21,383 -Three, two… -Do this serious, man. Do this serious. 1217 01:10:22,301 --> 01:10:23,636 Welcome to Middletown High School. 1218 01:10:23,719 --> 01:10:26,597 Today we're talking with an officer from Orange County Sheriff's Department 1219 01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,433 who's gonna tell us a little bit about the, uh, toxic waste dumping 1220 01:10:29,516 --> 01:10:30,768 at the Wallkill dump. 1221 01:10:31,477 --> 01:10:33,979 How are you doing? My name is, uh, Armondo Bilancione, 1222 01:10:34,063 --> 01:10:36,106 and I work for the Orange County Sheriff's Department. 1223 01:10:36,690 --> 01:10:41,487 My job, very simply, was to check for toxic waste violations of the DEC laws 1224 01:10:41,570 --> 01:10:44,156 to the Orange County public landfill. 1225 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,493 In the course of my duties at that landfill, 1226 01:10:47,576 --> 01:10:49,119 I uncovered everything from toxic waste 1227 01:10:49,203 --> 01:10:51,872 to human body parts that local hospitals dumped in that landfill 1228 01:10:51,956 --> 01:10:54,208 and mixed with regular garbage, which is against the law. 1229 01:10:54,875 --> 01:10:58,128 We're talking syringes, gauze soaked with blood, 1230 01:10:58,212 --> 01:11:01,257 organ pieces, and so forth. I was like, you gotta be kidding me. 1231 01:11:03,175 --> 01:11:07,054 To this day, toxic waste is still buried in that landfill. 1232 01:11:08,597 --> 01:11:12,142 Got Chris, Nicky B, Mr. B… 1233 01:11:12,226 --> 01:11:14,853 -Having fun. -Big J. Cole representing. 1234 01:11:15,688 --> 01:11:18,274 -He found a broken syringe. -Here, a syringe. 1235 01:11:18,357 --> 01:11:20,526 That is a definite medical syringe. 1236 01:11:20,609 --> 01:11:22,361 You hold it just like-- Ooh. 1237 01:11:22,444 --> 01:11:24,196 In the beginning, when I was at that landfill, 1238 01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,031 I was writing tickets like an everyday affair. 1239 01:11:26,115 --> 01:11:28,409 Bam, bam, bam, bam. Stop, get out of the truck. 1240 01:11:28,492 --> 01:11:30,953 Stop, get out of the truck. And I was writing like a maniac. 1241 01:11:31,036 --> 01:11:33,664 I gave my tickets to my superiors in the sheriff's department. 1242 01:11:33,747 --> 01:11:36,500 Tickets I wrote out to people that were supposed to go to a court of law 1243 01:11:36,583 --> 01:11:38,168 never made it to the courthouses. 1244 01:11:38,252 --> 01:11:41,839 But at the landfill, we had a book on the post, which was at post one. 1245 01:11:41,922 --> 01:11:43,007 Every ticket we issued, 1246 01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:46,218 everything that went down, I wrote in that book. 1247 01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:49,680 Well, I've come to find out that apparently, 1248 01:11:49,763 --> 01:11:52,433 there was a burglary at the landfill. 1249 01:11:53,434 --> 01:11:54,977 A burglary at the landfill. 1250 01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:59,023 I said, "Oh, my God, toxic waste is never gonna be safe again." 1251 01:11:59,106 --> 01:12:00,691 Well, guess what they stole? 1252 01:12:00,774 --> 01:12:02,860 -The book. -Ha, ha! 1253 01:12:02,943 --> 01:12:04,361 They stole the book. 1254 01:12:04,445 --> 01:12:07,614 So what are we talking here, in essence? You're talking, as far as I'm concerned, 1255 01:12:07,698 --> 01:12:09,408 and I-- I know I can prove it, 1256 01:12:09,491 --> 01:12:12,745 cover-ups from the county, state, and federal level. 1257 01:12:12,828 --> 01:12:15,497 I implore you, I beg you, 1258 01:12:15,581 --> 01:12:17,541 I-- Truthfully, when I ask you as a human being, 1259 01:12:17,624 --> 01:12:20,044 write to these people under the Freedom of Information Act 1260 01:12:20,127 --> 01:12:21,503 and find out what they tell you. 1261 01:12:24,089 --> 01:12:26,925 We knew all about the Freedom of Information Act. 1262 01:12:28,135 --> 01:12:32,431 I mean, we bothered Bill Cummings for dump records all the time. 1263 01:12:32,514 --> 01:12:35,768 It's crazy that that was a part of our schooling. 1264 01:12:35,851 --> 01:12:38,645 Okay, guys. We're rolling. 1265 01:12:38,729 --> 01:12:41,940 What happened the other day? Why did you go to Mr. Cummings' office? 1266 01:12:42,524 --> 01:12:44,651 All right, we went there because two weeks-- 1267 01:12:44,735 --> 01:12:46,028 three weeks ago, actually, 1268 01:12:46,111 --> 01:12:48,364 we filled out Freedom of Information requests 1269 01:12:48,447 --> 01:12:50,949 and they're supposed to come in in ten working days. 1270 01:12:51,033 --> 01:12:54,286 And we never got the information, so we went to see why we didn't get it. 1271 01:12:54,953 --> 01:12:57,164 At first, he just wanted to, uh, get us out of there. 1272 01:12:57,247 --> 01:13:00,209 Then, at the end, he was frustrated with us 'cause we were there so long. 1273 01:13:00,292 --> 01:13:02,878 He was like yelling. He's got a foul mouth, too. 1274 01:13:02,961 --> 01:13:05,130 Yeah. He was angry and defensive. 1275 01:13:06,465 --> 01:13:08,592 -You say he had a foul mouth. -Yeah. 1276 01:13:08,675 --> 01:13:10,844 Nobody here minds. What did he say? 1277 01:13:11,387 --> 01:13:14,056 Just, like, we asked him if we can come in and look at the stuff, 1278 01:13:14,139 --> 01:13:16,141 and he said, "Yeah, you can look at all that shit." 1279 01:13:17,309 --> 01:13:19,436 You didn't think he was gonna get violent on you? 1280 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:20,604 He was angry, but-- 1281 01:13:20,687 --> 01:13:22,981 -We were laughing when he started yelling. -Not our problem. 1282 01:13:24,441 --> 01:13:27,694 We took Mr. B's tip and submitted a FOIA request 1283 01:13:27,778 --> 01:13:29,780 to the Orange County Sheriff's Office. 1284 01:13:29,863 --> 01:13:32,658 Uh, she said there's a box waiting for us. 1285 01:13:32,741 --> 01:13:35,285 A box waiting for you? What's your name? 1286 01:13:35,369 --> 01:13:37,538 Isseks from Middletown High School. 1287 01:13:37,621 --> 01:13:39,540 We get this box of stuff, 1288 01:13:39,623 --> 01:13:42,793 and there's all kinds of papers in it, and it's there. 1289 01:13:42,876 --> 01:13:45,045 -Uh, wow. -We can close that door? 1290 01:13:45,129 --> 01:13:47,506 The log books. Holy moly! 1291 01:13:48,006 --> 01:13:49,383 These are the log books. 1292 01:13:49,466 --> 01:13:51,218 Sheriff's… notepad. 1293 01:13:51,301 --> 01:13:53,971 -This is it. -This is it! 1294 01:13:57,391 --> 01:13:59,977 It was wild. 1295 01:14:00,060 --> 01:14:02,187 Real-time evidence of toxic dumping 1296 01:14:02,271 --> 01:14:05,232 and proof of the parties that were responsible for it. 1297 01:14:05,899 --> 01:14:09,111 -Look at all these pictures. -These are the truck drivers! 1298 01:14:10,529 --> 01:14:12,781 Does it say anything about tickets? 1299 01:14:14,116 --> 01:14:15,367 So then we took 1300 01:14:15,451 --> 01:14:17,327 all that information to the district attorney 1301 01:14:17,411 --> 01:14:20,539 to see if there were any charges actually filed. 1302 01:14:20,622 --> 01:14:23,333 -That's what I said. -Where's the letter "A"? 1303 01:14:24,793 --> 01:14:27,671 -Probably in the beginning. -Okay, I have a feeling. 1304 01:14:28,380 --> 01:14:31,717 Not there. It's not in that one, look in this one. 1305 01:14:32,718 --> 01:14:33,719 No, those aren't… 1306 01:14:33,802 --> 01:14:36,346 We suspected that people in power 1307 01:14:36,430 --> 01:14:39,349 were all involved in some way in squashing those tickets 1308 01:14:39,433 --> 01:14:41,685 because they never saw the light of day. 1309 01:14:41,768 --> 01:14:44,062 Um, excuse me, I don't think that you can… 1310 01:14:45,147 --> 01:14:46,106 Excuse me! 1311 01:14:46,190 --> 01:14:48,484 Your tape… I don't know what you've got on it, 1312 01:14:48,567 --> 01:14:50,319 but you're going to have to leave it. 1313 01:14:50,402 --> 01:14:52,988 -Why? -Isn't it public information? 1314 01:14:53,071 --> 01:14:55,073 Yeah, but you can't film it! 1315 01:15:00,746 --> 01:15:01,663 At one time, 1316 01:15:01,747 --> 01:15:03,916 I had a verbal argument with a driver of a truck. 1317 01:15:03,999 --> 01:15:07,336 I couldn't believe the name of this person 1318 01:15:07,419 --> 01:15:09,046 that came out of the truck, 1319 01:15:09,755 --> 01:15:13,050 which was, um, very Italian, shall we say. 1320 01:15:13,592 --> 01:15:15,302 And, uh, I issued him a ticket. 1321 01:15:15,385 --> 01:15:17,346 And when I found that he didn't have a permit, 1322 01:15:18,847 --> 01:15:20,557 I just knew something was wrong here. 1323 01:15:22,267 --> 01:15:26,230 I was told by certain drivers that, uh, I was pissing off the people 1324 01:15:26,313 --> 01:15:28,232 that own Round Lake Sanitation. 1325 01:15:28,857 --> 01:15:31,026 It was public knowledge Round Lake Sanitation, 1326 01:15:31,109 --> 01:15:33,862 which was the biggest garbage company in Orange County, 1327 01:15:33,946 --> 01:15:36,156 was in fact run by organized crime. 1328 01:15:36,657 --> 01:15:38,659 So one day a black, I think it was a Cadillac 1329 01:15:38,742 --> 01:15:41,203 and a Mercedes pull up, and all these Italian guys, 1330 01:15:41,286 --> 01:15:43,789 they smell like garlic and stuff-- And I'm Italian. 1331 01:15:43,872 --> 01:15:46,375 They come out, and, "Who is this guy, Bilancione?" 1332 01:15:46,458 --> 01:15:48,794 I said, "Oh, here we go. It's the Guido Sarduccis," you know? 1333 01:15:48,877 --> 01:15:51,421 Bad enough they're in Brooklyn, now they're up here, you know? 1334 01:15:51,505 --> 01:15:52,464 Only kidding. 1335 01:15:52,548 --> 01:15:55,300 A couple of them, I believe it was Mr. Mongelli or his son, 1336 01:15:55,384 --> 01:15:56,510 exchanged some words with me, 1337 01:15:56,593 --> 01:15:58,929 Very simply, I told him, "All I'm doing is my job." 1338 01:15:59,012 --> 01:16:00,847 "And I will continue to do my job." 1339 01:16:02,266 --> 01:16:05,435 I didn't know much about the Mongellis at all. 1340 01:16:05,519 --> 01:16:09,189 I remember mentioning it to my mother, who said, "Oh, I know them." 1341 01:16:09,273 --> 01:16:13,068 Uh, "Their children went to school in my school when I was a principal." 1342 01:16:13,151 --> 01:16:14,528 "Very nice people." 1343 01:16:14,611 --> 01:16:16,780 "When, uh, they had parents' night, 1344 01:16:16,863 --> 01:16:19,658 Mr. Mongelli would come in and look after his kids." 1345 01:16:22,536 --> 01:16:25,330 It seemed like something out of a bad movie. 1346 01:16:27,499 --> 01:16:29,001 Garbage is garbage. 1347 01:16:29,084 --> 01:16:32,588 No, not when you're servicing Fortune 500 companies like this. 1348 01:16:33,380 --> 01:16:35,299 Talking three-quarter, maybe a billion metric tons 1349 01:16:35,382 --> 01:16:38,677 of waste in this country each year. That's big bucks, Harold. 1350 01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:40,345 You have no idea how big. 1351 01:16:41,972 --> 01:16:46,935 We're talking about mob-controlled, Mafia-connected carting companies 1352 01:16:47,019 --> 01:16:49,229 and gangsters that were doing the dumping, 1353 01:16:49,313 --> 01:16:51,607 and they just happened to be in our neighborhood. 1354 01:16:55,819 --> 01:16:59,031 I was told that there's a $5,000 bounty on my head, 1355 01:16:59,114 --> 01:17:01,491 that the first driver that runs me over gets it. 1356 01:17:01,575 --> 01:17:04,411 And I don't mean run me over to give me a broken toenail, no, no, no. 1357 01:17:04,494 --> 01:17:06,788 It was to bury me with the waste, there's no doubt. 1358 01:17:06,872 --> 01:17:08,373 I don't know if Mr. Isseks knows this-- 1359 01:17:08,457 --> 01:17:10,709 Pardon the interruption. We have one brief announcement. 1360 01:17:10,792 --> 01:17:13,712 The wrestling cheerleading practice for today is cancelled. 1361 01:17:13,795 --> 01:17:16,256 There is a home meet tomorrow. 1362 01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,512 Mr. B told us he knew of another potential whistleblower 1363 01:17:22,596 --> 01:17:24,056 from the landfill. 1364 01:17:24,139 --> 01:17:26,808 He was willing to let us interview him in my kitchen, 1365 01:17:26,892 --> 01:17:28,852 but he wanted a lawyer present. 1366 01:17:28,935 --> 01:17:30,604 Yeah. Is somebody gonna ask questions? 1367 01:17:30,687 --> 01:17:34,066 Were there occasions when a car would pull up after the gate was closed? 1368 01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:35,359 Oh, yeah. Uh… 1369 01:17:35,442 --> 01:17:37,444 Would you describe that story please? 1370 01:17:37,527 --> 01:17:40,238 Um, my understanding was, uh… 1371 01:17:40,864 --> 01:17:42,866 it was, uh, Lou Mongelli. 1372 01:17:43,867 --> 01:17:44,785 Hold on a minute. 1373 01:17:44,868 --> 01:17:47,621 Relax. You are among friends. 1374 01:17:51,083 --> 01:17:53,085 …but for totally different reasons. 1375 01:17:53,168 --> 01:17:56,797 Dieter wants his lawyer to see the script for the documentary 1376 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,590 to see if Dieter should back out of it. 1377 01:17:58,674 --> 01:18:00,967 Good morning, how are you doing? Mondo here. 1378 01:18:01,051 --> 01:18:02,803 Mr. B, on the other hand, 1379 01:18:02,886 --> 01:18:06,348 wants to know when "our" documentary is going to be done. 1380 01:18:06,431 --> 01:18:07,808 Everything is "we," 1381 01:18:07,891 --> 01:18:11,728 especially the "we" in "we are going to be rich after this." 1382 01:18:11,812 --> 01:18:12,771 Unbelievable. 1383 01:18:12,854 --> 01:18:16,900 Did you ever think to yourself, "Is this guy credible?" 1384 01:18:16,983 --> 01:18:18,985 Mm-hmm. Yeah. 1385 01:18:19,069 --> 01:18:21,613 It was easy to dismiss Armondo as, 1386 01:18:21,697 --> 01:18:24,700 "Ah, he's just a whacked-out dude who wants to be tough." 1387 01:18:24,783 --> 01:18:28,412 I believe he was also, uh, an aspiring actor at the time. 1388 01:18:33,041 --> 01:18:34,251 Take a look at this. 1389 01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,253 Touch it! 1390 01:18:36,878 --> 01:18:38,547 Go on, touch it! 1391 01:18:42,968 --> 01:18:45,429 I think we were savvy enough to recognize 1392 01:18:45,512 --> 01:18:48,140 Mr. B's limitations in presentation. 1393 01:18:50,016 --> 01:18:51,977 We needed corroboration. 1394 01:18:52,811 --> 01:18:55,397 In the past year, we've learned that the Mongellis 1395 01:18:55,480 --> 01:18:59,651 has had control of the dumping, and there are all these toxic waste sites. 1396 01:18:59,735 --> 01:19:03,739 Wouldn't a little common sense tell us that the mob was involved, 1397 01:19:03,822 --> 01:19:07,743 and that they needed the cooperation of the town 1398 01:19:07,826 --> 01:19:10,912 and legislatures? "Legislators." 1399 01:19:11,413 --> 01:19:13,582 Who's going to start our cars for us? 1400 01:19:15,917 --> 01:19:18,712 Let-- Let me just say that we've had a lot of things 1401 01:19:18,795 --> 01:19:21,339 go on in Orange County, in many landfills. 1402 01:19:22,174 --> 01:19:24,968 A man was killed at the Tuxedo dump 1403 01:19:25,051 --> 01:19:28,972 because he had information that other people did not want out, 1404 01:19:29,055 --> 01:19:32,309 and he got buried in another dump over in the town of Montgomery. 1405 01:19:34,603 --> 01:19:35,604 -Hi. -Hi. 1406 01:19:37,981 --> 01:19:40,317 Thank you for coming here. We appreciate this very much. 1407 01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:41,693 We know you'll help us out a lot. 1408 01:19:42,277 --> 01:19:45,197 Do you feel that the past boards have made money off of this, 1409 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:46,406 off of this dumping? 1410 01:19:46,490 --> 01:19:47,824 In my investigations, 1411 01:19:47,908 --> 01:19:50,660 I've, uh, uncovered a number of instances 1412 01:19:50,744 --> 01:19:53,663 where members of town boards received bribes 1413 01:19:53,747 --> 01:19:58,794 from, uh, carters who were working for organized crime 1414 01:19:58,877 --> 01:20:00,629 or who were controlled by organized crime. 1415 01:20:03,423 --> 01:20:06,593 Um, I took, uh, the materials that we had, 1416 01:20:06,676 --> 01:20:09,054 and we did extensive investigations, as you know. 1417 01:20:10,889 --> 01:20:13,934 Here is a copy of our report entitled, 1418 01:20:14,017 --> 01:20:16,812 "Organized Crime's Involvement in the Waste Hauling Industry," 1419 01:20:16,895 --> 01:20:20,440 uh, which documents and names specific people 1420 01:20:20,524 --> 01:20:24,110 who were involved in these-- in these very serious crimes. 1421 01:20:25,195 --> 01:20:26,530 Up until that point, 1422 01:20:26,613 --> 01:20:29,741 the Mongellis were an abstraction to me, pretty much. 1423 01:20:29,825 --> 01:20:32,494 But it was Hinchey's report that kind of colored it in, 1424 01:20:32,577 --> 01:20:33,495 what was going on. 1425 01:20:36,748 --> 01:20:40,502 It's a family tree of organized crime in the carting industry. 1426 01:20:41,002 --> 01:20:44,214 My eyes kind of went to the companies and individuals 1427 01:20:44,297 --> 01:20:45,757 that I had heard of. 1428 01:20:47,884 --> 01:20:50,512 And I realized that we were just kind of scraping 1429 01:20:50,595 --> 01:20:53,181 a little corner of the entire story. 1430 01:20:54,933 --> 01:20:57,894 Thousands and thousands of tons of materials 1431 01:20:57,978 --> 01:20:59,813 were dumped throughout the Hudson Valley 1432 01:20:59,896 --> 01:21:02,816 under the direction of organized crime figures. 1433 01:21:04,025 --> 01:21:08,154 And, in fact, you can find these sites, um, 1434 01:21:08,238 --> 01:21:12,158 generally within a 200-mile radius of New York City. 1435 01:21:13,618 --> 01:21:15,579 So in addition to upstate New York, 1436 01:21:15,662 --> 01:21:18,582 you could also find them in parts of New England, and in Pennsylvania, 1437 01:21:18,665 --> 01:21:22,210 and in New Jersey, and elsewhere in the immediate region. 1438 01:21:22,294 --> 01:21:23,879 It was compelling because, 1439 01:21:23,962 --> 01:21:27,549 wow, that's the kind of thing that happens in movies and in books. 1440 01:21:27,632 --> 01:21:29,092 It doesn't happen in your backyard. 1441 01:21:29,175 --> 01:21:34,973 So when we started using the "M" word, "Mafia," it became the hook. 1442 01:21:35,056 --> 01:21:38,852 Stick around. When we return, teenagers take on a real-life project 1443 01:21:38,935 --> 01:21:41,521 exposing corruption and the mob. 1444 01:21:41,605 --> 01:21:44,983 Growing up as a kid, I just felt like, you know, government would-- 1445 01:21:45,066 --> 01:21:46,276 you know, was there to help us. 1446 01:21:46,359 --> 01:21:48,153 Then when I started getting involved with this, 1447 01:21:48,236 --> 01:21:52,449 I realized that, you know, government was just a lot of dealmaking 1448 01:21:52,532 --> 01:21:54,284 and stuff going on behind closed doors. 1449 01:21:54,367 --> 01:21:58,371 Didn't that frighten you guys, knowing that there was a mob connection here? 1450 01:21:58,455 --> 01:22:00,999 Well, when it became clear that the mob was involved, 1451 01:22:01,082 --> 01:22:04,836 it just sort of made us say, "Well, that explains a lot." 1452 01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,964 Maurice Hinchey was offered a quarter of a million dollars 1453 01:22:08,048 --> 01:22:11,551 as a bribe to end the investigation into the dirty dumping. 1454 01:22:11,635 --> 01:22:14,471 But instead of accepting the bribe, Hinchey would turn evidence 1455 01:22:14,554 --> 01:22:17,140 that would help put the Mongelli brothers behind bars. 1456 01:22:17,223 --> 01:22:18,516 He was wired. 1457 01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,101 He got that on tape. 1458 01:22:20,685 --> 01:22:22,354 And it became part of the story. 1459 01:22:22,437 --> 01:22:25,065 Are you left with a sense that you affected real change 1460 01:22:25,148 --> 01:22:27,233 and the situation has been brought to a close? 1461 01:22:27,317 --> 01:22:30,070 Well, we still have the sense that we've got more work to do. 1462 01:22:31,738 --> 01:22:37,035 Today, you're experiencing what we experienced back then. 1463 01:22:37,118 --> 01:22:39,287 The wise guys are still running it. 1464 01:22:39,371 --> 01:22:42,999 They're still putting anything imaginable in it. 1465 01:22:43,083 --> 01:22:44,668 They couldn't care less. 1466 01:22:45,543 --> 01:22:48,338 Garbage isn't just what your mother tells you to take out. 1467 01:22:48,421 --> 01:22:49,923 It's a big, big business. 1468 01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,593 Our saying when we were working, is "garbage is gold." 1469 01:22:53,677 --> 01:22:56,054 And it is. Garbage is gold. 1470 01:22:56,930 --> 01:23:00,934 Do we have anything to fear with what we're doing? 1471 01:23:01,017 --> 01:23:03,478 Do you think that anyone would come after us? 1472 01:23:04,562 --> 01:23:05,689 Don't be foolish. 1473 01:23:05,772 --> 01:23:10,235 Don't… wander around by yourselves in landfills or anything like that. 1474 01:23:15,323 --> 01:23:18,493 1:00 a.m., an anonymous phone call. 1475 01:23:22,580 --> 01:23:24,666 You've had your 15 minutes of fame. 1476 01:23:24,749 --> 01:23:26,167 Now let it go. 1477 01:23:28,503 --> 01:23:30,755 Weird things would start happening. 1478 01:23:32,007 --> 01:23:33,341 You'd pick up the telephone, 1479 01:23:33,425 --> 01:23:37,387 and this is the era of, like, the house phone with the long cord, 1480 01:23:37,470 --> 01:23:40,223 and you'd hear a clicking, like a weird… 1481 01:23:40,306 --> 01:23:42,142 Then, I'm like, "I think our phones are tapped." 1482 01:23:42,225 --> 01:23:43,768 Like, "I think they're fucking with us." 1483 01:23:43,852 --> 01:23:44,811 Maurice? 1484 01:23:44,894 --> 01:23:47,022 My ma says you're gonna get bumped off, man. 1485 01:23:49,107 --> 01:23:51,026 By your mom? 1486 01:23:54,404 --> 01:23:56,865 Yeah! Bonfire! 1487 01:24:01,036 --> 01:24:03,371 There was a guy at a party, 1488 01:24:03,455 --> 01:24:07,000 and he was only a couple years older than me, 1489 01:24:07,083 --> 01:24:10,086 but he did threaten me, 1490 01:24:10,170 --> 01:24:15,633 uh, and told me to stay away from the landfill. 1491 01:24:15,717 --> 01:24:19,971 Exposing them to all of that, it was at times a conflict for me, 1492 01:24:20,055 --> 01:24:22,932 and I think it was even more of a conflict with my own daughter, 1493 01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:28,021 in that she was younger than my students at the time, 1494 01:24:28,104 --> 01:24:30,398 and I was bringing some of this stuff home, 1495 01:24:30,482 --> 01:24:32,901 and I was talking candidly with Denise about it, 1496 01:24:32,984 --> 01:24:33,902 and Sadie would listen. 1497 01:24:33,985 --> 01:24:38,073 And I'm thinking, "Wow, I'm really gonna turn her off to the whole world 1498 01:24:38,156 --> 01:24:41,284 by-- by exposing her to all of this stuff." 1499 01:24:41,367 --> 01:24:44,245 Do you remember any student saying to you, 1500 01:24:44,329 --> 01:24:49,626 "Mmm, Mr. Isseks, ah, it's just getting too weird, too freaky"? 1501 01:24:51,294 --> 01:24:52,670 No. No. 1502 01:24:53,254 --> 01:24:54,297 It's like pretty colors. 1503 01:24:57,759 --> 01:25:00,470 Electronic English was an elective. 1504 01:25:00,553 --> 01:25:04,057 If this kind of thing really turns you off, 1505 01:25:04,724 --> 01:25:07,727 take modern literature, take Shakespeare, 1506 01:25:07,811 --> 01:25:09,270 take creative writing. 1507 01:25:09,354 --> 01:25:11,147 Don't take Electronic English, 1508 01:25:11,231 --> 01:25:13,608 'cause you know this is gonna be part of it. 1509 01:25:24,702 --> 01:25:28,581 Hi, this is Fred Isseks for School Radio here on 1340 Wall, 1510 01:25:28,665 --> 01:25:31,417 sitting with a number of Middletown High School seniors 1511 01:25:31,501 --> 01:25:34,712 right on the verge of graduating in just a few months. 1512 01:25:34,796 --> 01:25:37,132 Are you looking forward to graduating from high school? 1513 01:25:37,215 --> 01:25:40,885 I think it would be nice to finally go out on my own, and… 1514 01:25:40,969 --> 01:25:43,847 and I know I could live well, independently as an adult. 1515 01:25:43,930 --> 01:25:46,141 And I wanna prove that to myself as well as my parents. 1516 01:25:46,224 --> 01:25:47,684 How about somebody else? 1517 01:25:47,767 --> 01:25:50,061 Rachel, I believe you're a senior, is that correct? 1518 01:25:50,145 --> 01:25:51,771 Yes, I'm a senior. 1519 01:25:51,855 --> 01:25:53,356 Looking forward to getting out? 1520 01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,067 Yeah, I can't wait to graduate. I can't wait for the future. 1521 01:25:56,151 --> 01:26:02,198 I'm planning to move out to Los Angeles and, uh, go to film school at USC. 1522 01:26:02,282 --> 01:26:05,201 Jeff, what about you? Any plans for when you get out of school? 1523 01:26:05,827 --> 01:26:08,496 Well, um, I haven't really thought much about it. 1524 01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:12,542 I still have a few years to go until I get out of here. 1525 01:26:12,625 --> 01:26:15,587 Does the thought of leaving high school inspire you 1526 01:26:15,670 --> 01:26:17,005 or does it fill you with fear? 1527 01:26:18,256 --> 01:26:22,468 It doesn't inspire me, but it doesn't fill me with fear either. 1528 01:26:22,552 --> 01:26:24,721 Um, I just want to get out. 1529 01:26:29,392 --> 01:26:31,060 By the time I was a senior, 1530 01:26:31,144 --> 01:26:34,564 I ended up taking Fred's classes, I believe, five times, 1531 01:26:34,647 --> 01:26:37,775 because I would just naturally always wanna spend more time in the studio 1532 01:26:37,859 --> 01:26:38,985 or be around more. 1533 01:26:39,068 --> 01:26:41,321 People are starting to talk about this issue. 1534 01:26:41,404 --> 01:26:44,240 They're starting to ask good questions about the cap, 1535 01:26:44,324 --> 01:26:47,577 and who's putting it in, and how much control the state has on it. 1536 01:26:48,494 --> 01:26:51,247 I hate to say it, but I know there was a perception 1537 01:26:51,331 --> 01:26:55,084 that Fred was sort of leading us into danger, 1538 01:26:55,627 --> 01:26:59,172 and that this had turned into this quixotic quest. 1539 01:27:00,173 --> 01:27:02,508 Let's say hi to Daddy. 1540 01:27:02,592 --> 01:27:03,843 See how he's doing. 1541 01:27:03,927 --> 01:27:06,012 Daddy, get off the phone now! 1542 01:27:06,095 --> 01:27:07,972 Oh, Jesus. 1543 01:27:11,726 --> 01:27:15,355 You know, it's hard to say with clarity what Fred even hoped 1544 01:27:15,438 --> 01:27:17,273 the endgame would be. 1545 01:27:17,982 --> 01:27:21,778 I personally hoped people would see what we did 1546 01:27:21,861 --> 01:27:25,323 and care and stop. 1547 01:27:25,406 --> 01:27:29,202 Like, do clean that landfill out, 1548 01:27:29,285 --> 01:27:31,287 not just put a cap on it. 1549 01:27:32,205 --> 01:27:35,416 But, you know, then I grew up and I went to college and I left, 1550 01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:37,710 and the story continued after me. 1551 01:27:42,006 --> 01:27:45,176 I'm thinking we hire a plane for the day. 1552 01:27:47,762 --> 01:27:51,432 If we get lots of toxic waste on camera, 1553 01:27:51,516 --> 01:27:53,810 then that makes liars out of all of them. 1554 01:27:55,937 --> 01:28:00,191 Okay. You got a list of questions that you wanted to ask me? Very good. 1555 01:28:00,275 --> 01:28:04,112 We're here in reference to the illegal dumping that was going on. 1556 01:28:04,195 --> 01:28:05,738 Okay, let me stop you right here. 1557 01:28:05,822 --> 01:28:08,449 I let you come in here to talk to me about Earth Day. 1558 01:28:08,533 --> 01:28:10,868 I don't have the time to get into this. 1559 01:28:11,411 --> 01:28:16,833 Look at the dirty water Look at him… 1560 01:28:16,916 --> 01:28:19,294 It seems to be that you're more of a crusader 1561 01:28:19,377 --> 01:28:21,379 rather than a journalist, 1562 01:28:21,462 --> 01:28:23,673 and I wanted to know how you would react to that. 1563 01:28:25,383 --> 01:28:26,801 That's a tough one. 1564 01:28:26,884 --> 01:28:30,763 When we started, it was pure journalism, trying to-- to get at the truth. 1565 01:28:30,847 --> 01:28:32,223 And then as we worked on it, 1566 01:28:32,307 --> 01:28:35,143 it became clear that there was a horrible thing going on here. 1567 01:28:35,226 --> 01:28:38,396 So in the sense that I want to see a correction, 1568 01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,232 I would like to see the water protected better than it is, 1569 01:28:41,316 --> 01:28:43,484 I guess in that way, I am a crusader of sorts. 1570 01:28:43,568 --> 01:28:47,155 Sit at your hole… 1571 01:28:47,989 --> 01:28:49,574 He's got a lot of hubbub. 1572 01:28:51,242 --> 01:28:53,202 We've gotta get-- You gotta talk to him. 1573 01:28:53,286 --> 01:28:55,371 -All right. -Tell him what we're doing. 1574 01:28:55,455 --> 01:28:56,748 All right. 1575 01:28:58,583 --> 01:28:59,500 Sir? 1576 01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:02,086 Sir? 1577 01:29:02,170 --> 01:29:04,464 The county executives can tell you all about it, 1578 01:29:04,547 --> 01:29:06,632 what we've done at the high school as far as the tape. 1579 01:29:06,716 --> 01:29:08,009 Good for you! 1580 01:29:13,056 --> 01:29:15,516 Go ahead, Santos. I got you covered. 1581 01:29:16,768 --> 01:29:20,063 There's a place supposedly where the fence is low enough to jump. 1582 01:29:23,441 --> 01:29:24,984 What's this letter? 1583 01:29:28,112 --> 01:29:28,946 Ah! 1584 01:29:33,576 --> 01:29:36,120 "You deliberately led your students to trespass 1585 01:29:36,204 --> 01:29:39,665 in a restricted maintenance area on county property." 1586 01:29:39,749 --> 01:29:42,585 "More troublesome, however, is how facile you are 1587 01:29:42,668 --> 01:29:46,923 in your deceit of innocence in happening upon this site." 1588 01:29:47,006 --> 01:29:49,967 "This is a terrible attribute to be teaching your students." 1589 01:29:50,051 --> 01:29:54,806 "Rest assured that future trespasses will be dealt with appropriately." 1590 01:30:04,690 --> 01:30:07,944 I remember I was in the media center kind of hanging out, 1591 01:30:08,027 --> 01:30:09,612 and Fred came over. 1592 01:30:09,695 --> 01:30:13,032 And I said, "Hey, how's it going?" And he said, "Uh, not so great." 1593 01:30:13,866 --> 01:30:17,662 The district had contacted him and said the school had had enough. 1594 01:30:17,745 --> 01:30:20,289 "We're gonna draw a line in the sand. You're gonna stop doing this, 1595 01:30:20,373 --> 01:30:23,126 especially with the students, especially with school equipment." 1596 01:30:23,209 --> 01:30:26,045 "And if for any reason you do not abide by this, 1597 01:30:26,129 --> 01:30:29,632 you-- you will ultimately not work here anymore." 1598 01:30:30,216 --> 01:30:32,009 And I-I-I'll never forget it. 1599 01:30:32,093 --> 01:30:33,261 And Fred said, "Yeah." 1600 01:30:33,344 --> 01:30:37,014 "So I was, you know, on, like, my third Heineken last night 1601 01:30:37,098 --> 01:30:39,142 and I was thinking about this." 1602 01:30:39,225 --> 01:30:42,311 "I realized I don't need this job that bad." 1603 01:30:42,895 --> 01:30:45,148 And I was like, "Fuck, yeah!" 1604 01:30:45,731 --> 01:30:48,985 -Excuse me. You need help, guys? -We're from Middletown High School. 1605 01:30:49,068 --> 01:30:50,486 -How's it going? -Good. 1606 01:30:50,570 --> 01:30:52,738 We wanted to videotape how the cap is going. 1607 01:30:52,822 --> 01:30:54,699 Is it okay if we just sort of cruise around here? 1608 01:30:54,782 --> 01:30:55,783 Actually, no. 1609 01:30:55,867 --> 01:31:01,497 Unfortunately, you guys aren't really dressed to go through the landfill. 1610 01:31:02,081 --> 01:31:05,460 And, uh, you're not… You're gonna stop doing that, right? 1611 01:31:05,543 --> 01:31:08,045 -Huh? -You're gonna stop videotaping me? 1612 01:31:08,129 --> 01:31:09,630 -I appreciate that. -I'm sorry. 1613 01:31:11,424 --> 01:31:15,011 These are the, uh… the liners, I think. 1614 01:31:15,845 --> 01:31:17,305 Ah, shit. Truck's coming at us. 1615 01:31:19,807 --> 01:31:21,517 Can you get that right there? 1616 01:31:21,601 --> 01:31:23,561 Now I'm using my house key 1617 01:31:23,644 --> 01:31:26,731 and I'm cutting right through the actual liner. 1618 01:31:26,814 --> 01:31:28,524 This is the actual lining. 1619 01:31:28,608 --> 01:31:31,569 I'm actually using my house key to cut it. 1620 01:31:31,652 --> 01:31:33,029 You'll see that in a second, okay? 1621 01:31:38,784 --> 01:31:40,203 It's just my house key. 1622 01:31:40,953 --> 01:31:42,830 And I'm cutting a piece right off of here. 1623 01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:45,917 -And it's cutting… -Who's that kid, man? 1624 01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:47,502 Not too easily, but it's cutting. 1625 01:31:47,585 --> 01:31:49,712 It felt good to graduate and leave this behind. 1626 01:31:49,795 --> 01:31:51,506 Because it took growth to move on 1627 01:31:51,589 --> 01:31:54,634 and leave it to the next generation of kids who were gonna work on it. 1628 01:31:54,717 --> 01:31:58,054 The company that the town and the state decided to hire to cap the landfill 1629 01:31:58,137 --> 01:31:59,305 has a bad record. 1630 01:31:59,388 --> 01:32:01,766 New York City refused to hire the Tully Corporation 1631 01:32:01,849 --> 01:32:04,727 because of allegations that they were linked to organized crime. 1632 01:32:05,478 --> 01:32:10,566 Did you know that, uh, Tully was connected to organized crime in New York City? 1633 01:32:10,650 --> 01:32:12,652 I'm not saying they're not linked to organized crime. 1634 01:32:12,735 --> 01:32:15,655 I'm not saying they are. I'm saying it didn't matter to us, 1635 01:32:15,738 --> 01:32:16,781 frankly, okay? 1636 01:32:16,864 --> 01:32:18,407 Our legal obligation, 1637 01:32:18,491 --> 01:32:20,993 and I think our moral obligation to do what's right 1638 01:32:21,077 --> 01:32:22,662 by our taxpayers and our residents, 1639 01:32:22,745 --> 01:32:26,040 was to award to the lowest qualified bidder. 1640 01:32:26,123 --> 01:32:27,583 And that's the end of the story. 1641 01:32:28,334 --> 01:32:30,336 60 Minutes came to town, 1642 01:32:30,419 --> 01:32:34,590 the New York Times, ABC World News. 1643 01:32:34,674 --> 01:32:39,011 And it absolutely felt like, finally, 1644 01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:44,892 now we've finally gone up the ladder, and now we'll see, um, some action. 1645 01:32:44,976 --> 01:32:46,227 Well, in other news tonight, 1646 01:32:46,310 --> 01:32:49,272 Wallkill officials will have some special guests 1647 01:32:49,355 --> 01:32:51,774 at their town board meeting coming up tonight. 1648 01:32:51,857 --> 01:32:55,403 Tonight, Fred Isseks' class will attend a town board meeting in Wallkill, 1649 01:32:55,486 --> 01:32:57,863 as they have many times in the past four years. 1650 01:32:57,947 --> 01:33:00,616 The difference is the national media will be present. 1651 01:33:04,996 --> 01:33:08,040 Before we open it up to the public, uh, tonight we have a lot of guests. 1652 01:33:08,124 --> 01:33:10,293 We have a lot of, uh, media here this evening. 1653 01:33:10,376 --> 01:33:13,087 Welcome to everyone to the town of Wallkill. 1654 01:33:13,170 --> 01:33:17,592 Uh, I'd like to make a brief statement about, uh, the media exposure 1655 01:33:17,675 --> 01:33:20,553 which the town of Wallkill Landfill has recently received. 1656 01:33:20,636 --> 01:33:24,432 In order to ensure that this coverage does not confuse the facts, 1657 01:33:24,515 --> 01:33:26,892 I would like to emphasize the following points. 1658 01:33:27,768 --> 01:33:31,230 The Middletown High School students have charged that the town of Wallkill 1659 01:33:31,314 --> 01:33:34,692 is covering up by proceeding with the closure, 1660 01:33:34,775 --> 01:33:38,654 and has, at times, publicly called upon the town 1661 01:33:38,738 --> 01:33:42,116 to cease construction on the landfill cap. 1662 01:33:42,199 --> 01:33:44,535 Now, I'd like to make this very clear. 1663 01:33:44,619 --> 01:33:47,955 This course of action would be illegal. 1664 01:33:48,039 --> 01:33:51,334 Federal and state law mandates 1665 01:33:51,417 --> 01:33:55,588 that we do exactly what we are doing at this time. 1666 01:33:56,839 --> 01:33:59,508 Uh, with that, my comments are completed. 1667 01:33:59,592 --> 01:34:01,510 We'll now open the meeting to public comment. 1668 01:34:01,594 --> 01:34:04,597 Anyone who'd like to speak, uh, is welcome to do so. 1669 01:34:06,307 --> 01:34:09,977 To me, there was something about the story that was universal, 1670 01:34:10,061 --> 01:34:14,440 that had an appeal beyond its own time. 1671 01:34:14,940 --> 01:34:16,400 Hi, my name is Jonathan Wise. 1672 01:34:16,484 --> 01:34:18,235 -Daniel Andersen. -Jackie Kordiak. 1673 01:34:18,319 --> 01:34:20,529 Hello. My name is Melissa Kubik. 1674 01:34:20,613 --> 01:34:21,864 -I'm a sophomore… -I'm a junior… 1675 01:34:21,947 --> 01:34:23,783 I'm a senior at Middletown High School. 1676 01:34:23,866 --> 01:34:25,910 And I think it exemplified things 1677 01:34:25,993 --> 01:34:29,246 that we're taught to believe are important. 1678 01:34:29,330 --> 01:34:31,832 -Good evening. How you doing? -All right, how you doing? Um… 1679 01:34:31,916 --> 01:34:33,459 -My name is Jeff Dutemple. -Welcome back. 1680 01:34:33,542 --> 01:34:35,461 -Huh? -It's one of the graduates. 1681 01:34:35,544 --> 01:34:37,463 -Welcome back. -Thank you very much. 1682 01:34:38,673 --> 01:34:42,176 One would be this idea of civic courage. 1683 01:34:42,259 --> 01:34:44,845 My question is in reference to a quote you made 1684 01:34:44,929 --> 01:34:47,348 when we had you into the media center for an interview. 1685 01:34:47,431 --> 01:34:54,105 You said that you had no problem hiring an allegedly Ma-- Mafia-connected company. 1686 01:34:54,188 --> 01:34:57,650 And, um, I was just wondering how the rest of the board felt about that. 1687 01:34:58,359 --> 01:35:01,696 And that became one of our-- our mottos, civic courage. 1688 01:35:01,779 --> 01:35:07,326 It means acting as if you live in a real democracy. 1689 01:35:07,410 --> 01:35:09,328 Was public health any real concern of yours? 1690 01:35:09,412 --> 01:35:13,666 Because I know that the standards are a minimum, but you can go beyond that. 1691 01:35:13,749 --> 01:35:15,626 Have you ever lost confidence in the DEC? 1692 01:35:15,710 --> 01:35:17,753 We've noticed there's always a conflict of interest 1693 01:35:17,837 --> 01:35:19,422 between engineers and the town. 1694 01:35:19,505 --> 01:35:21,757 I know that your family has lived in the town of Wallkill 1695 01:35:21,841 --> 01:35:23,175 for the past 200 years. 1696 01:35:23,259 --> 01:35:25,594 I was just wondering, what is the legacy you'll be leaving 1697 01:35:25,678 --> 01:35:27,680 the generations of your family in the future? 1698 01:35:28,806 --> 01:35:30,015 Next question. 1699 01:35:30,099 --> 01:35:32,560 So we knew that a lot of the things that we were doing 1700 01:35:32,643 --> 01:35:36,188 weren't going to bear any fruit in terms of getting anybody arrested 1701 01:35:36,272 --> 01:35:38,733 or making any changes in policy. 1702 01:35:38,816 --> 01:35:43,487 But we proceeded as though this is how it works. 1703 01:35:43,571 --> 01:35:46,991 If you provide evidence, if you provide proof of something, 1704 01:35:47,616 --> 01:35:49,410 the right thing is going to be done. 1705 01:35:50,786 --> 01:35:52,955 Mr. Isseks, Mr. Isseks hasn't gone yet. 1706 01:35:53,038 --> 01:35:54,373 I wasn't going to say a word. 1707 01:35:54,457 --> 01:35:57,209 I was just going to sit in the back and watch. But here I am. 1708 01:35:57,293 --> 01:36:00,588 The fact that we have national media here tonight, 1709 01:36:00,671 --> 01:36:02,465 I ask myself the question, 1710 01:36:02,548 --> 01:36:05,384 "What can a national audience learn from this whole thing?" 1711 01:36:06,218 --> 01:36:08,137 So when you point out that your hands are tied 1712 01:36:08,220 --> 01:36:10,181 and it's the DEC that's doing this, 1713 01:36:10,264 --> 01:36:11,974 I think it's a point well taken. 1714 01:36:12,057 --> 01:36:15,644 And now at a time when Governor Pataki is looking to cut the DEC, 1715 01:36:15,728 --> 01:36:18,355 and whatever power it has now is going to be lessened, 1716 01:36:18,939 --> 01:36:22,234 and when Congress is looking to do the same thing to the EPA, 1717 01:36:22,318 --> 01:36:25,696 I hope that the American people learn that it's going to be folks like us 1718 01:36:25,780 --> 01:36:27,615 that are gonna have to take charge of things. 1719 01:36:27,698 --> 01:36:29,533 -Okay. -And for that, I thank you. 1720 01:36:31,786 --> 01:36:33,329 Turn it off now. 1721 01:37:21,085 --> 01:37:24,505 Rachel! Whoo! 1722 01:37:25,381 --> 01:37:27,174 Oh, my gosh. 1723 01:37:27,258 --> 01:37:28,926 -Hi. -Aw. 1724 01:37:29,009 --> 01:37:30,553 Aww. 1725 01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:33,013 So much has changed 1726 01:37:33,097 --> 01:37:36,308 since we all last hung out in this room together. 1727 01:37:36,392 --> 01:37:38,060 It's crazy, right? 1728 01:37:39,311 --> 01:37:43,148 When you leave your favorite room in high school, you just walk out. 1729 01:37:43,232 --> 01:37:45,109 You think you're never gonna see it again. 1730 01:37:45,192 --> 01:37:46,777 We'll never see it again. 1731 01:37:50,197 --> 01:37:54,827 I mean, I think this space put everybody on a level playing field where… 1732 01:37:59,582 --> 01:38:00,457 Um… 1733 01:38:02,710 --> 01:38:04,086 -Need a hug, buddy? -Maybe. 1734 01:38:07,464 --> 01:38:08,799 It was a community. 1735 01:38:10,217 --> 01:38:13,220 It's one of the only reasons I came to school. 1736 01:38:15,264 --> 01:38:16,724 Oh, my gosh. 1737 01:38:18,350 --> 01:38:19,852 This is so… 1738 01:38:24,773 --> 01:38:26,692 Oh, my gosh! 1739 01:38:26,775 --> 01:38:28,652 Oh, my gosh! 1740 01:38:28,736 --> 01:38:30,529 -This is incredible. -Right? 1741 01:38:30,613 --> 01:38:32,781 I-- I think I remember this. 1742 01:38:32,865 --> 01:38:34,491 This is a true story. 1743 01:38:34,575 --> 01:38:36,118 True story! 1744 01:38:36,201 --> 01:38:39,663 Of determined high school students who chose to work for a cause. 1745 01:38:39,747 --> 01:38:41,332 By using camcorders and tapes. 1746 01:38:41,415 --> 01:38:44,335 -To find out what happens. -When people stop standing around. 1747 01:38:44,418 --> 01:38:46,629 And start making a difference. 1748 01:38:46,712 --> 01:38:48,714 This is the real world. 1749 01:38:50,257 --> 01:38:54,136 Everyone who's ever been in charge at the town hall has said the same thing. 1750 01:38:54,219 --> 01:38:57,014 "Don't worry about that dump. We'll take care of it." 1751 01:38:57,097 --> 01:38:58,682 "It doesn't pose a threat." 1752 01:38:58,766 --> 01:39:02,061 No one wanted to look into the problem. Politicians didn't want to get involved. 1753 01:39:02,144 --> 01:39:04,063 District attorney wouldn't even touch the issue. 1754 01:39:04,146 --> 01:39:05,898 Louis Mongelli used to live here. 1755 01:39:05,981 --> 01:39:08,025 He's now in the Federal Witness Protection Program. 1756 01:39:08,108 --> 01:39:10,653 But he has never been charged with any environmental crimes, 1757 01:39:10,736 --> 01:39:12,488 even though Round Lake was the largest user 1758 01:39:12,571 --> 01:39:13,906 of the Orange County Landfill. 1759 01:39:13,989 --> 01:39:16,825 Is Garbage, Gangsters and Greed a good film? 1760 01:39:16,909 --> 01:39:18,702 No! 1761 01:39:19,620 --> 01:39:21,747 It's a little bit clunky. 1762 01:39:22,373 --> 01:39:23,916 But that's not really the point. 1763 01:39:25,417 --> 01:39:27,670 I think you can watch Garbage, Gangsters and Greed 1764 01:39:27,753 --> 01:39:32,299 and be amazed at how messed up the system is. 1765 01:39:32,383 --> 01:39:35,678 And there's a level of jadedness that-- that comes with… 1766 01:39:36,303 --> 01:39:38,597 like, knowing you're right. 1767 01:39:38,681 --> 01:39:42,518 The Ford Motor Company operated a huge automobile plant here 1768 01:39:42,601 --> 01:39:45,270 at the New York-New Jersey state border. 1769 01:39:45,980 --> 01:39:49,024 Ford is gone now, but their mess isn't. 1770 01:39:51,652 --> 01:39:55,114 I just thought at 50 I was going to get cancer and die. 1771 01:39:56,073 --> 01:39:57,783 Then I turned 50, 1772 01:39:57,866 --> 01:39:59,827 and I don't have cancer, 1773 01:39:59,910 --> 01:40:00,995 and I'm healthy. 1774 01:40:01,078 --> 01:40:02,454 I bought a big house, 1775 01:40:02,538 --> 01:40:06,792 and I got a notice that there's a landfill with toxic waste 1776 01:40:06,875 --> 01:40:08,752 within a few miles of my new house. 1777 01:40:10,379 --> 01:40:13,924 I don't know how much 17-year-old Rachel understood. 1778 01:40:14,842 --> 01:40:18,012 But 50-year-old Rachel now knows 1779 01:40:18,095 --> 01:40:23,350 how important everything that Fred was teaching us really is. 1780 01:40:24,393 --> 01:40:28,355 Maybe that's why Fred won't give up, because it's not a story that ever ends. 1781 01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:31,316 Since Ward Stone was thrown out the dump in 1992, 1782 01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,737 no one has done any real tests to see what pollutants are washing off the site 1783 01:40:34,820 --> 01:40:37,322 and into the wetlands and aquifer below. 1784 01:40:37,406 --> 01:40:40,576 It looks like our children and our children's children 1785 01:40:40,659 --> 01:40:43,328 will be tending to this lethal garden forever. 1786 01:40:51,670 --> 01:40:56,175 I don't know. I feel like we had a good confidence and focus. 1787 01:40:58,010 --> 01:41:00,054 Feel like we were doing pretty good for kids that age. 1788 01:41:01,722 --> 01:41:05,559 Anything you'd say to that kid, you know, if you could now? 1789 01:41:05,642 --> 01:41:07,311 Keep going. Keep going! 1790 01:41:07,394 --> 01:41:10,355 Ke-- Keep going, right? Um… 1791 01:41:12,441 --> 01:41:13,817 There's a Rolling Stones song. 1792 01:41:13,901 --> 01:41:16,153 "Isn't it wise sometimes to never grow up?" 1793 01:41:16,236 --> 01:41:19,490 Like, what if we could get it right? 1794 01:41:20,532 --> 01:41:24,036 What if society could turn the world back right-side-up? 1795 01:41:27,289 --> 01:41:30,125 Yeah. Very proud of all of us. 1796 01:41:31,919 --> 01:41:34,546 I hope-- I hope Fred's as proud as I am. 1797 01:41:43,889 --> 01:41:47,142 Landfills almost seem like a secondary problem 1798 01:41:47,226 --> 01:41:49,353 compared to the warming, 1799 01:41:49,436 --> 01:41:52,231 compared to the way the oceans are changing, 1800 01:41:52,314 --> 01:41:54,149 the poisoning of the cropland. 1801 01:41:54,233 --> 01:41:58,028 All these things seem to be more dire and more threatening 1802 01:41:58,112 --> 01:42:00,697 than abandoned landfills at this point. 1803 01:42:04,034 --> 01:42:06,870 But I think the landfill can stand in for that, 1804 01:42:06,954 --> 01:42:10,457 because it represents a problem that can be addressed, 1805 01:42:10,541 --> 01:42:11,667 that should be addressed, 1806 01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:14,920 but just… kind of gets kicked off to the side. 1807 01:42:20,050 --> 01:42:24,012 When I returned to school in the fall of 2006, 1808 01:42:24,096 --> 01:42:28,058 I walked into a windowless room that looked like a shoebox. 1809 01:42:28,142 --> 01:42:30,894 And all of the stuff that had been in the studio, 1810 01:42:30,978 --> 01:42:35,649 the equipment, the cameras, the tapes, boxes, cords, cables, everything, 1811 01:42:35,732 --> 01:42:40,279 kind of just… …plopped down in a pile in the center of the room. 1812 01:42:40,946 --> 01:42:44,158 And it sure looked an awful lot like punishment. 1813 01:42:49,538 --> 01:42:53,333 The ancient Greeks had respect for place. 1814 01:42:54,293 --> 01:42:57,838 It's the Greek concept of topos versus khôra. 1815 01:42:57,921 --> 01:43:00,674 This was the football field, and then these were the windows… 1816 01:43:00,757 --> 01:43:02,301 -To the library. -Yeah. 1817 01:43:02,384 --> 01:43:04,720 Topos means a physical place. 1818 01:43:04,803 --> 01:43:06,471 One you can find on a map. 1819 01:43:06,555 --> 01:43:08,515 So was the door to the hallway there? 1820 01:43:08,599 --> 01:43:09,975 Oh! There was a door… 1821 01:43:10,058 --> 01:43:12,102 Yeah, there was one over by that editing room. 1822 01:43:12,186 --> 01:43:13,645 You came in, or the other side. 1823 01:43:13,729 --> 01:43:15,355 It was the whole end of the building. 1824 01:43:16,356 --> 01:43:20,444 Whereas khôra is the specificity of a place, 1825 01:43:20,527 --> 01:43:23,989 and what the place opens up as a theater, 1826 01:43:24,072 --> 01:43:26,575 as a-- a space for creation, 1827 01:43:26,658 --> 01:43:31,079 as, uh, a womb, almost, for the birth of something. 1828 01:43:31,163 --> 01:43:33,957 Still rolling, guys. Still listening, looking at the video. 1829 01:43:40,255 --> 01:43:44,176 If you come to find out who you are 1830 01:43:46,220 --> 01:43:50,599 Then may you find out May you find out who you are 1831 01:43:52,851 --> 01:43:56,980 And if you come search For what is lost 1832 01:43:59,024 --> 01:44:03,737 Then may you find it May you find it at any cost 1833 01:44:05,739 --> 01:44:10,077 And if you come, oh, so soft 1834 01:44:11,620 --> 01:44:15,999 You may look up one day And you'll be hard 1835 01:44:21,838 --> 01:44:23,090 If I were… 1836 01:44:23,173 --> 01:44:26,176 David came back to the hotel yesterday, 1837 01:44:26,260 --> 01:44:30,806 and he mentioned that you were considering the name Garbage, Gangsters and Greed 2. 1838 01:44:30,889 --> 01:44:33,517 And it put a big smile on my face. I love it. 1839 01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:35,477 I th-- I think that's fantastic. 1840 01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:39,106 I'm waiting for Garbage, Gangsters and Greed 3, 4, and 5. 1841 01:44:40,983 --> 01:44:45,237 Putting my body on display 1842 01:44:46,363 --> 01:44:48,365 In the parade 1843 01:45:32,576 --> 01:45:37,998 All my friends were there 1844 01:45:38,665 --> 01:45:43,420 Waiting on me 1845 01:45:45,213 --> 01:45:51,511 Oh, Laurie was there 1846 01:45:51,595 --> 01:45:56,350 Waiting on me 1847 01:45:57,684 --> 01:46:00,645 And Anna 1848 01:46:01,646 --> 01:46:03,648 Was there 1849 01:46:04,316 --> 01:46:09,404 Waiting on me 1850 01:46:10,072 --> 01:46:15,952 I've come and I will go 1851 01:46:16,495 --> 01:46:19,206 Just the same 1852 01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:31,051 If I were to die today 1853 01:46:33,220 --> 01:46:37,265 Puppet in that gray charade 1854 01:46:39,559 --> 01:46:44,398 Last thing that you hear me say 1855 01:46:45,607 --> 01:46:50,487 Is "Bury me in different shades 1856 01:46:51,279 --> 01:46:53,615 Of the parade" 1857 01:46:58,662 --> 01:47:03,125 Passing slowly through the town 1858 01:47:05,252 --> 01:47:09,339 My feet, they cannot touch the ground 1859 01:47:11,383 --> 01:47:15,762 Go now, you'll go but, oh, just how? 1860 01:47:17,722 --> 01:47:21,935 Never leave this Never leave this town 1861 01:47:23,311 --> 01:47:25,730 Of the parade 1862 01:47:52,591 --> 01:47:56,553 I am a scientist I seek to understand me 1863 01:47:56,636 --> 01:48:00,515 All of my impurities And evils yet unknown 1864 01:48:00,599 --> 01:48:04,853 I am a journalist I write to you to show you 1865 01:48:04,936 --> 01:48:10,650 I am an incurable And nothing else behaves like me 1866 01:48:14,529 --> 01:48:17,407 And I know what's right 1867 01:48:18,658 --> 01:48:22,120 But I'm losing sight of the clues 1868 01:48:22,204 --> 01:48:26,458 For which I search And choose to abuse 1869 01:48:26,541 --> 01:48:28,960 To just unlock my mind 1870 01:48:29,044 --> 01:48:33,215 Yeah, and just unlock my mind 1871 01:48:40,222 --> 01:48:44,059 I am a pharmacist Prescriptions, I will fill you 1872 01:48:44,142 --> 01:48:48,313 Potions, pills, and medicines To ease your painful lives 1873 01:48:48,396 --> 01:48:52,192 I am a lost soul I shoot myself with rock and roll 1874 01:48:52,275 --> 01:48:58,031 The hole I dig is bottomless But nothing else can set me free 1875 01:49:01,743 --> 01:49:04,871 And I know what's right 1876 01:49:05,997 --> 01:49:09,543 But I'm losing sight of the clues 1877 01:49:09,626 --> 01:49:13,755 For which I search And choose to abuse 1878 01:49:13,838 --> 01:49:16,258 To just unlock my mind 1879 01:49:16,341 --> 01:49:20,845 Yeah, to just unlock my mind 1880 01:49:27,477 --> 01:49:31,231 I am a scientist I seek to understand me 1881 01:49:31,314 --> 01:49:36,486 I am an incurable And nothing else behaves like me 1882 01:49:36,570 --> 01:49:39,698 Everything is right 1883 01:49:40,615 --> 01:49:43,660 Everything works out right 1884 01:49:44,619 --> 01:49:46,913 Everything fades from sight 1885 01:49:46,997 --> 01:49:51,334 Because that's all right with me 1886 01:49:59,175 --> 01:50:00,051 Right. 1887 01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:02,387 Well, I hope you liked the video. 1888 01:50:03,054 --> 01:50:07,350 This is Chris Cordani signing off for MHS TV in Middletown, New York. 1889 01:50:07,434 --> 01:50:09,728 Thank you for watching. Good night. 156407

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