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[rugged music plays]
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[low growling]
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I'm deep in the jungles
of Chiapas, Mexico,
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in front of one of the largest
stone arches in the world.
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It's known as Arco del Tiempo,
or the Arch of Time.
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Sounds like the title of
an Indiana Jones movie,
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but by traveling through it,
we may be able to solve
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a mystery worthy of
Indy himself,
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the fate of a vanished
civilization known as the Zoque.
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If you've never heard of
the Zoque, you're not alone.
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But 3,000 years ago,
well before the Aztecs
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or the height of the Maya,
it was the Zoque that may have
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laid the groundwork
for their empires,
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building monumental
temples and cities,
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and forging connections to
animal spirits in
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deep underground caverns
they believed were portals
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to the underworld.
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But then, their civilization
collapsed.
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Their once magnificent cities
abandoned,
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their once grand culture reduced
to whispered legends,
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and no one is sure why.
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To modern observers,
the Zoque seem to have simply
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up and vanished.
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But now, an archaeologist is
conducting a bold search
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near a former Zoque capital for
evidence of uncharted ruins.
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And an expert researcher
and climber is hunting for
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lost caves in
the dangerous depths
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of the Mexican jungle
to reveal
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where the Zoque went
and what became of them.
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So join me on an adventure
beyond the Arch of Time
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and into the distant past as
we search for the truth behind
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Mexico's mysterious Zoque.
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[Josh]
The past is all around us.
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-[overlapping shouting]
-Whoa! It's working!
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[Josh] A world of mystery...
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This is the Thunderbolt! Yeah!
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[Josh]
...danger...
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-Fire in the hole!
-[explosion blasts]
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Whoa!
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[Josh]
...and adventure.
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That's gold!
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Oh! Oh!
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Look at this place.
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[Josh]
I travel to the far corners of
the earth
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to uncover
where legends end...
-Yeah!
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[indistinct shouting, laughing]
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[Josh]
...and history begins.
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OK, let's punch it.
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I'm Josh Gates, and this is
"Expedition Unknown."
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My mission to uncover
who the Zoque were
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and what happened to them,
starts in southern Mexico.
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While the days of the Zoque
erecting massive cities may be
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long gone,
their descendants are still
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very much around.
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Over 50,000 modern Zoque live
in the state of Chiapas,
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many speaking a form of
the original Zoque language.
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Today, the center of Zoque
life is here in the town of
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Ocozocoautla de Espinosa,
or Coita if you're looking to
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save a few vowels.
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Established by the Spanish
during the Colonial era,
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it is now home to
the annual Zoque Carnival,
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where the old ways of life are
still on full display.
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And lucky for us, we're here
just in time for the party.
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As the last day to let loose
before the beginning of Lent,
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Carnival is celebrated all
over the world.
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And whether you're in
New Orleans or Rio or Chiapas,
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there's nothing like
Fat Tuesday.
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Here in Coita, this Catholic
celebration has been
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uniquely infused with traditions
from a culture
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older than
Christianity itself.
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Each of these dances are tied
to a different Catholic saint,
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but it's a mishmash of
symbolism and cultures,
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much of it dating back to
a time when
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the Zoque were
the real power in this region.
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Exhibit A is making its way
into the plaza now,
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and it looks like
it means business.
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So these performers are
dressed as jaguars.
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This is the dance of
the jaguars and the monkeys.
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The dance depicts a fight
between good and evil.
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Evil in this case is
the Jaguar,
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a dark cave-dwelling embodiment
of the underworld.
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The good guys -- those are
the monkeys, who, along with
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a hunter, are here to take down
the big cat.
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-[gunshot blasts]
-[crowd] Oh!
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[Josh] The hunt is a success,
and the Jaguar is vanquished
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to the underworld.
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Another pre-Catholic tradition
here honors
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the ancient god of corn,
Homshuk.
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The modern Zoque honor him at
Carnival by weaponizing
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copious amounts of corn flour,
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which quickly gets...
-Ahhh!
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...off the cob.
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Two can play at that game.
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-Yeah, yeah, yeah!
-[screaming]
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[Josh] Actually, it turns out
a lot more than two
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can play at this game.
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[indistinct shouting]
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Truce!
Truce!
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Truce!
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[Josh] Hey, all is fair in
love and corn.
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No, no, no, no, no.
Hey!
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[overlapping screams]
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[Josh] Fortunately,
this activity also includes
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the consumption
of alcohol.
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Anyone know what's in these?
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Opa!
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[Josh] It's joyous, it's
colorful, and by the end of it,
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I look like an extra on the set
of "Scarface."
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[indistinct chatter, laughter]
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This is brutal.
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Total...
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[laughter]
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...cornage [carnage].
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It may seem like chaos,
and it is --
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I have the laundry bill to
prove it.
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But it's also tradition,
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one with elements
that stretch back to
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the original ancient Zoque.
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But who were they?
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Why do we know
so little about them?
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And where on earth
did they go?
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The answers to our questions
can't be found here.
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By the light of a new day,
I shake off the dust,
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pop a couple of aspirin,
and hit the road.
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OK, bad news is I have
a splitting headache,
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but the good news is I have
enough corn flour on my body
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that I don't think
I'm ever gonna sweat again.
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But if we're going to crack
the mystery of the Zoque,
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we have to leave the modern
world in the rearview mirror.
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Here we go.
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It's a nearly three-hour drive
75 miles south
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into the Sierra Madre
Mountains.
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2,300 feet up sits
the Zoque's last great city,
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home to one of
the most significant
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Zoque archaeological sites
ever discovered.
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Iglesia Vieja.
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OK...
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Things might get
a little, uh...
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little bumpy.
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Whoo-hoo!
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And now I'm driving in sand.
All right.
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Four-wheel drive.
Whoo-hoo!
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There we go!
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Boy, the Zoque really went for
some out-of-the-way
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real estate here.
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Even bad roads must come to
an end, and I finally approach
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the site of Iglesia Vieja,
or in English, "Old Church."
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The ruins were actually
misnamed during
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the Spanish Colonial era,
thanks to large blocks
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that looked like
the foundation of a church.
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It was only later that
archaeologists realized
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they'd stumbled upon something
much older
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and much, much bigger.
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I stare in amazement at not one
building or two or three,
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but the ruins of a major
ancient city.
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And here to explain it is
an archaeologist who's been
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studying the Zoque for years,
Arcelia Garcia.
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[Arcelia] Welcome to
Iglesia Vieja.
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-[Josh] It's a jaw-dropper.
-[Arcelia] Yeah.
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-So this is a Zoque pyramid?
-[Arcelia] It is.
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This is the largest pyramid in
the archaeological site.
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-Which is how big?
-300 feet long.
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That's all,
just a 300-foot-long pyramid.
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And look at the size of
these blocks.
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[Arcelia] Yes, this is
megalithic construction.
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These blocks are made
of granite.
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Some are as heavy
as two tons.
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OK, I have a lot of questions
about the Zoque.
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OK, ask away.
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I've just come from Carnival,
so the only thing I really know
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about them is they know
how to throw a party.
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But I want to understand
the original, the OG Zoque.
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Yeah -- to really understand
this culture, we have to go
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from the modern Zoque to
the ancient Zoque.
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[Josh]
When it comes to the rock
stars of Mesoamerica,
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nobody has better brand
recognition or merch than
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the mighty Aztecs.
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And hey, we all still marvel at
the killer cities of the Maya.
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But long before either of them
took center stage,
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there was one indie band
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that deserved to be headlining,
the Zoque.
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2,000 years before the Aztecs,
when the Olmec were busy
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turning boulders into giant
stone heads on the Gulf Coast,
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here on the Pacific side,
as early as 1200 BC,
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the Zoque were building
a civilization of their own.
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By 400 BC, the Olmec are
in decline --
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sorry, guys --
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while the Zoque are still
going strong.
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That's a solid millennium on
the world stage.
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Hey, even the Roman Empire
didn't make it that long.
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Yet most people have never
heard of the Zoque.
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So let's talk about why
we should know them.
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-Mm-hmm.
-You know, when I think about
pyramids in the Americas,
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I think of the Maya.
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But here are the Zoque doing
this earlier.
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Yes, absolutely.
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They're also one of the first
cultures to master large-scale
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agriculture, meaning corn,
cacao, what we know now
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as chocolate.
-[Josh] Right.
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And by the way, cacao is
a Zoque word.
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-It is?
-[Arcelia] Yes.
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OK, so every time
at the holidays,
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I have a hot cup of cocoa,
I can thank the Zoque.
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You can thank the Zoque.
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And there's a lot more here.
Let me show you.
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[Josh]
How many different structures
are here at the site?
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We have 80 buildings in
the archaeological site.
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-[Josh] Eight-zero?
-[Arcelia] Eight-zero.
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[Josh]
We move through the ceremonial
plazas of the city with
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pyramids and terraces that once
had huge stone
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administrative buildings,
temples, and markets.
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It's a layout that
feels familiar,
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and that's because
the Maya civilization
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adopted it
almost identically.
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But that's not nearly all
the Maya learned
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from the Zoque.
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This cross in ancient Mexico
and Central America represents
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the planet Venus.
-[Josh] Venus.
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[Arcelia] Yes.
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When I think about astronomy
in this part of the world,
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I think about the Maya.
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Of course, but here you have
one of the earliest
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civilizations in Mesoamerica
already having a symbol
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of a planet.
-Insane.
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One of the first calendars
in Mesoamerica?
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Not Maya, it was Zoque.
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Not to mention, some of
the most sacred symbols
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we associate with the Maya seem
to have been here first.
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This is all carved?
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[Arcelia]
Yeah, so you can see the fang,
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you're seeing the eyes...
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[Josh]
Oh, right, so two eyes,
and then this is the mouth,
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and these are fangs?
-[Arcelia] Yeah, the nose.
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[Josh]
And the nose is right there,
those are the nostrils.
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-[Arcelia] Right, exactly.
-[Josh] So what is this?
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-Well, we think it's a jaguar.
-Jaguar.
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I mean, a really
fearsome-looking creature.
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Animal motifs in general are
very important for the Zoque,
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but the jaguar was
very important because he was
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connected to the underworld,
to the night, to death,
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to fertility, and water.
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-He's connected to all of that?
-[Arcelia] Yeah.
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Kind of a deity for
all seasons.
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Inclusion of the jaguar
demonstrates that the Zoque
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purposefully designed every
detail of Iglesia Vieja,
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right down to the landscaping.
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-Watch your head there.
-Very dangerous-looking tree.
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Yes, this is the Ceiba tree.
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-Ceiba?
-Yes.
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OK.
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[Arcelia] It was a very
important tree for the Zoque
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because it connected
the three levels of the cosmos.
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The leaves connected to
the heavens, the trunk of
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the tree connected to Earth,
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and the roots go underground
to the underworld.
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[Josh]
The roots go to the underworld
because that's where
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the water is.
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In fact, the Zoque believed that
the underworld was the source
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of water itself.
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The Ceiba tree's resin,
called copal,
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was sacred as well, burned as
incense in their rituals.
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And across the plaza is another
Zoque design flourish,
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this one startlingly personal.
-Something here.
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-Is that -- is that a hand?
-[Arcelia] Yeah.
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So somebody put their hand
here and then carved out
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this print?
-Yeah.
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That's wild.
And why do we think?
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We don't know.
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Could have been a builder,
could have been an important
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person to the society.
We don't know.
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I mean, you talk about
reaching into the past, right?
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-Right.
-[Josh] Wow.
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That's really cool.
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This handprint is like
a long-faded signature of
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the once mighty Zoque.
But where did they go?
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Arcelia brings me to meet
an archaeologist who's working
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on solving that mystery right
at this moment.
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And he happens to be
an old friend of mine.
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-Josuhé!
-Hey, yo!
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-It's nice to see you again.
-[Josh] Great to see you, man.
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How are you?
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This is the director of
the Iglesia Vieja project,
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Josuhé Lozada.
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Last time I saw you,
we found a lost city.
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-Sac Balam.
-How amazing was that?
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An incredible adventure.
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[Josh] The last city of the Maya
in Mexico,
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known as Sac Balam,
was lost for hundreds of years,
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until Josuhé's team
and I rediscovered it.
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Hey, stone, right there!
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Yes, I think
we finding Sac Balam.
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-You do?
-Yes, for sure.
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-Now the Zoque.
-That's right.
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[Josh] But finding the Zoque
won't be easy.
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In front of us is
a mysterious altar,
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along with another
jaguar image,
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which the Zoque seemed rather
obsessed with,
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are three enigmatic faces.
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So who are these three people?
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There is a theory that these
faces were related with
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the first rulers in
Iglesia Vieja.
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[Josh] Incredible.
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Have any Zoque kings or elite
burials been found?
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Several years ago,
another Zoque site named
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Chiapa de Corzo,
-Uh-huh.
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the archaeologists found
an elite burial.
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[Josh]
Almost 175 miles away
and dating to 1200 BC,
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Chiapa de Corzo is, in many
ways, the birthplace of
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the Zoque story.
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3,000 years ago, this thriving
city was one of the first urban
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centers in the Americas,
establishing the early Zoque as
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a major cultural force.
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In the middle of the site sits
a now ruined pyramid,
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and in 2010,
archaeologists there made
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a jaw-dropping find,
the remains of a couple adorned
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with jewelry and surrounded
by offerings.
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It is the oldest pyramid tomb
in Mesoamerica and the only
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Zoque royal burial
ever discovered.
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Back here at Iglesia Vieja,
Josuhé has set up
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an excavation pit in front of
this pyramid.
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And while he hasn't yet found
a burial, he has uncovered
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a crucial clue to what happened
to its builders.
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-[Josuhé] This is
called Fine Orange.
-Fine Orange, OK.
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-And when does it date to?
-It's about 700 AD.
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700 AD.
OK.
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So they've been in
Iglesia Vieja for 900 years?
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-900 years, yes.
-OK.
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And there is something very
interesting about this pottery
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because it's related with
the last years of
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Iglesia Vieja.
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And it's not just in
Iglesia Vieja.
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Other excavations
in the Zoque world
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show this apparent
expiration date
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of around 700 AD.
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So no pottery gets made after
around 700 AD.
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And in the digs here,
there's no evidence of
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a destruction layer.
-Mnh-mnh.
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-There's no evidence of burning
the city or weapons.
-[Arcelia] No.
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-[Josuhé] No.
-We don't find spear
points and things.
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-No -- it's like
they just disappear.
-Wow.
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-So this is like the
final clue, the final piece...
-[Josuhé] The final clue.
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-[Arcelia] Yeah.
-...of their world
before they vanish.
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Yes, that is the big mystery
of the Zoque.
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What happened and where
did they go?
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[Josh] To unravel that,
archaeologists need to
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understand how many Zoque were
here and how large-scale
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this abandonment really was.
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Unfortunately, we don't even
know the full extent
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of the ruins.
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So wait, there are
parts of this city
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that have not been seen?
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Only 20% of the ruins are
uncovered, and there are maybe
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structures that we don't even
know about.
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-And how do we find those?
-Same as we find Sac Balam.
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-LIDAR.
-That's right.
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[Josh]
Josuhé is ready to scan,
so we summit one peak of
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a twin pyramid to meet a team
led by Jorge Olivares Rivera.
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-Nice to meet you.
-Mucho gusto.
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-Nice to meet you.
-[Josh] Alejandro.
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So we have a very
impressive-looking drone here.
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-And what's the payload?
-It's a modular LIDAR unit.
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Produces 240,000 lasers
per second.
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[Josh] LIDAR collects literally
hundreds of millions
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of data points.
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It even allows the team to
digitally remove
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the jungle canopy to see
what's beneath.
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Josuhé is hoping the scan will
reveal as yet undiscovered
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Zoque structures, which may
contain clues as to what
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happened here around 700 AD
and where the people fled to.
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Have you done LIDAR
here before?
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Never before.
It's the first time.
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-This is the first time ever?
-Yes.
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OK.
And so how much of this site
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are you going to be able
to scan?
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Todos.
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Todos.
All of it?
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-200 acres.
-200 acres.
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OK.
So, should we fly?
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-Let's do it.
-Let's do it.
Come on.
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[Josh]
For over a thousand years,
the true extent of
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Iglesia Vieja has been
hidden away,
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now we're one step closer to
unlocking its secrets.
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OK -- up, up, and away.
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This LIDAR drone is scanning
the ruins of Iglesia Vieja,
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a one-time capital of the Zoque,
who thrived for over
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a millennium in western Mexico,
until one day
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they abandoned
their major cities.
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-It's going to fly lanes, right?
-Yeah.
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How many?
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-About 30.
-[Josh] 30 lanes.
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OK.
Starting mission.
Here we go.
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Archaeologist Josuhé Lozada has
been exploring and excavating
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here for clues about where
the Zoque went.
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The drone scans down through
the foliage for the next hour.
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We're hoping it detects
undiscovered sections
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of the city.
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Mission is complete.
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-Time to land.
-OK, let's land it.
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[Josh]
Its pre-programmed route
finished, Jorge brings
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the drone back in for
a landing, then transfers
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the data onto his laptop
for analysis.
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OK, so...
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did it work?
-Oh, yes.
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00:18:55,434 --> 00:18:56,267
OK, great.
What have we got?
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Wow.
OK, so here's our site.
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And when you look
at the canopy,
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you know, you probably would
think there's nothing here.
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Yeah, we're right on top
of the mountains.
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Now for the magic trick.
Can you take away the canopy?
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-Yeah, just one click.
-This is my favorite part.
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Yeah.
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-Oh, wow!
-Come on!
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[Josh]
Without the trees in the way,
the construction is
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immediately apparent.
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The pyramids and plazas
I've walked through
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are clearly outlined.
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You don't realize it standing
here, but these plazas are all
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just perched on the edge of
these cliffs.
-Yeah.
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Yes, it's a natural mountain,
but modified by the Zoque.
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They have taken the tops of
these mountains
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and planed them off.
-To build a city.
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[Josh]
To build a city.
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The engineering is
mind-boggling.
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But what Josuhé is focused on
are the areas outside of
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the city center.
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How big is
Iglesia Vieja really?
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-Can we zoom in on that?
-Yeah.
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-[Josuhé & Arcelia] Wow.
-What is that?
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This is something new.
There are many structures here.
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[Josh]
Is this a platform?
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[Josuhé] Yes, we can see
the perfect shape.
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[Josh]
Right, it's totally squared
off on this edge.
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-And what is this?
-[Josuhé] There are some
terraces.
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[Josh] So it terraces down
here and here.
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-I mean, nobody has seen that?
-No, nobody.
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[Josh]
These terraces that once held
Zoque structures haven't been
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seen since the evacuation of
Iglesia Vieja.
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Wait, is that a new part
of the site?
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-This is new structure.
-[Arcelia] Wow.
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I mean, that's -- that's nuts!
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[Josh]
This is historic.
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New sections of this capital,
dozens of acres of it,
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finally rediscovered.
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And hidden within may be
the keys to learning
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where the Zoque went.
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Can you give us an exact
coordinate for these places?
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I want to see if
there's something here.
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We can use the GPS to go to
the exact spot.
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-Let's do it.
-[Arcelia] Oh, yeah.
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Let's see what this is.
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[Josh] With the GPS coordinates
in hand, we hike into
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the overgrown jungle.
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-How far?
-500 feet from here.
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00:21:05,868 --> 00:21:07,167
-500 feet, OK.
-[Josuhé] Yeah.
455
00:21:11,367 --> 00:21:12,367
[Josh]
This is tough.
456
00:21:19,567 --> 00:21:21,667
-[blade scraping]
-No wonder nobody's found
this place.
457
00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:27,868
-[Josuhé] We should be here.
-[Josh] OK, eyes open.
458
00:21:31,267 --> 00:21:32,300
[Josuhé]
Very close.
459
00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:35,100
[Josh] What is this?
Here, here, here, here.
460
00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:36,234
-[Arcelia] Yeah.
-[Josuhé] There is
something here.
461
00:21:37,701 --> 00:21:39,267
-Look at this --
oh, my God.
-[Josh] It's a wall!
462
00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:42,100
[Josh] Look at this!
463
00:21:44,501 --> 00:21:47,067
This is the edge of
a terrace, yes?
464
00:21:47,234 --> 00:21:48,501
[Josuhé]
Yes, of course.
465
00:21:50,667 --> 00:21:52,100
[Josh] Exactly.
Nobody has seen
466
00:21:52,267 --> 00:21:55,601
this construction in, what,
1,300 years?
467
00:21:55,767 --> 00:21:57,367
-[Arcelia] Exactly.
-[Josuhé] 1,300 years.
468
00:21:57,534 --> 00:21:59,601
The uncovered part of
Iglesia Vieja.
469
00:21:59,767 --> 00:22:02,100
-Yes.
-[Josh] This is unbelievable.
470
00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:03,868
Look at this place!
471
00:22:04,033 --> 00:22:05,367
Have you found these before?
472
00:22:05,534 --> 00:22:07,667
It's the first time that
we saw something like this.
473
00:22:07,834 --> 00:22:10,267
-Maybe it's the base
of a home.
-Right.
474
00:22:10,267 --> 00:22:11,400
[Josuhé]
It's a domestic area.
475
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:13,868
[Josh] Here it is.
476
00:22:14,033 --> 00:22:17,100
Proof of more structures in
Iglesia Vieja.
477
00:22:17,267 --> 00:22:20,467
Not temples or pyramids,
but the actual homes of
478
00:22:20,467 --> 00:22:21,901
Zoque families.
479
00:22:22,067 --> 00:22:24,767
So the theory is that
they would have built these
480
00:22:24,767 --> 00:22:26,901
little homes on these
terraces, yeah?
-[Arcelia] Yeah -- yeah.
481
00:22:27,067 --> 00:22:29,167
-Yes.
-They weren't living in
the ceremonial center.
482
00:22:29,334 --> 00:22:31,767
They would be living here,
outside the city.
483
00:22:31,934 --> 00:22:34,000
Based on the LIDAR,
these terraces go
484
00:22:34,167 --> 00:22:35,667
all the way down here.
-Yeah.
485
00:22:35,667 --> 00:22:39,200
-That's right.
-So there could be countless
platforms for homes here.
486
00:22:40,701 --> 00:22:44,100
[Josh]
This area would have been
covered with Zoque homes,
487
00:22:44,267 --> 00:22:46,501
all surrounding the city center
that would have been
488
00:22:46,667 --> 00:22:48,701
the heart of public life.
489
00:22:48,868 --> 00:22:50,968
Finding these homes
drastically changes
490
00:22:51,133 --> 00:22:54,100
Josuhé's understanding
of Iglesia Vieja.
491
00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:58,000
Before, we estimate about
10,000 people
492
00:22:58,167 --> 00:22:59,601
that live in Iglesia Vieja.
493
00:22:59,767 --> 00:23:02,767
But now, with this new data,
I think the number is low.
494
00:23:02,767 --> 00:23:04,467
So you think there may be more
people here?
495
00:23:04,467 --> 00:23:07,200
There is so much
we still have to find.
496
00:23:07,367 --> 00:23:10,367
[Josh]
In fact, with so many terraces
surrounding the city,
497
00:23:10,534 --> 00:23:12,767
the population
may even be double
498
00:23:12,934 --> 00:23:14,767
what was
previously thought.
499
00:23:14,767 --> 00:23:18,400
This also means the abandonment
here was major --
500
00:23:18,567 --> 00:23:21,767
a massive emptying of
a thriving urban center.
501
00:23:21,934 --> 00:23:26,100
But can this help solve
the mystery of why they left,
502
00:23:26,267 --> 00:23:28,400
where they went?
-Some of the answers we are
503
00:23:28,567 --> 00:23:31,000
looking for may be buried here
in the city.
504
00:23:31,167 --> 00:23:34,267
But it's gonna take
generations to excavate
505
00:23:34,267 --> 00:23:37,868
and uncover all of these areas.
-So where does that leave us?
506
00:23:38,033 --> 00:23:41,167
There is another place called
Rio La Venta Canyon.
507
00:23:41,334 --> 00:23:42,400
And what is this place?
508
00:23:42,567 --> 00:23:46,000
There is evidence of Zoque
presence there.
509
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,300
[Josh] La Venta Canyon lies deep
in the mountains
510
00:23:48,467 --> 00:23:50,667
northwest of Iglesia Vieja.
511
00:23:50,834 --> 00:23:53,400
Filled with deep ravines
and endless caves,
512
00:23:53,567 --> 00:23:57,200
it was a sacred pilgrimage site
for the Zoque for more than
513
00:23:57,367 --> 00:23:58,767
a thousand years.
514
00:23:58,934 --> 00:24:02,367
If you wanted to make an entire
city disappear, this would be
515
00:24:02,367 --> 00:24:03,801
the place to do it.
516
00:24:03,968 --> 00:24:05,567
And we have some new reports.
517
00:24:05,734 --> 00:24:07,167
Mm! New reports?
What do you mean?
518
00:24:07,167 --> 00:24:10,367
So there are some ranchers
there, some farmers who live
519
00:24:10,534 --> 00:24:12,767
there, and they informed us
that they saw some caves
520
00:24:12,767 --> 00:24:15,300
that have never been
explored before.
521
00:24:15,467 --> 00:24:19,367
-OK.
-And they might contain
artifacts from the Zoque.
522
00:24:19,367 --> 00:24:21,467
This place is near
here or far?
523
00:24:21,634 --> 00:24:24,100
-Oh, it's far.
-Are you up for it?
524
00:24:25,267 --> 00:24:27,300
With you, Josuhé?
Always.
525
00:24:28,801 --> 00:24:32,667
[Josh]
The world of the ancient Zoque,
once consisted so neatly for me
526
00:24:32,667 --> 00:24:37,000
within Iglesia Vieja, is about
to get much, much bigger.
527
00:24:39,467 --> 00:24:42,467
The next morning,
Josuhé, Arcelia, and I pack up
528
00:24:42,467 --> 00:24:46,400
the 4x4 to begin a journey into
the sacred and unexplored
529
00:24:46,567 --> 00:24:48,868
wilderness of the Zoque.
530
00:24:48,868 --> 00:24:51,200
All right, so we're leaving
the coast behind here...
531
00:24:51,367 --> 00:24:53,467
-Mm-hmm.
-...and we are headed
into the interior.
532
00:24:53,634 --> 00:24:54,567
And what's it like there?
533
00:24:54,734 --> 00:24:56,267
I assume it's more
mountainy, yeah?
534
00:24:56,434 --> 00:24:58,067
Yeah, it's very rugged there.
535
00:24:58,234 --> 00:25:00,801
It's a tropical savanna,
so it splits between
536
00:25:00,968 --> 00:25:04,300
a very wet season
and a very dry season.
-OK.
537
00:25:05,601 --> 00:25:08,567
[Josh]
The Chiapas region provides
a third of all of
538
00:25:08,567 --> 00:25:11,501
Mexico's water, which is one of
the reasons this place
539
00:25:11,667 --> 00:25:13,601
was so sacred to the Zoque.
540
00:25:13,767 --> 00:25:16,701
It's the reason we saw so many
jaguar images back at
541
00:25:16,868 --> 00:25:20,367
Iglesia Vieja, the fearsome
symbol of the underworld,
542
00:25:20,534 --> 00:25:24,801
which the Zoque saw as
the source of life-giving water.
543
00:25:24,968 --> 00:25:27,901
Lucky for us, there's no rain
in the forecast.
544
00:25:28,067 --> 00:25:29,767
And it's dry now, right?
This is the dry season.
545
00:25:29,934 --> 00:25:31,300
Yes, this is the dry season.
546
00:25:31,467 --> 00:25:33,000
And it has been
a very dry season.
547
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,000
[Josh] And the drive is about
how long?
548
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,868
About three hours in
this direction.
549
00:25:37,033 --> 00:25:38,567
[Josh] Three hours
into the mountains.
550
00:25:38,734 --> 00:25:39,667
Here we go.
551
00:25:41,767 --> 00:25:44,100
We'll be traveling nearly
80 miles into
552
00:25:44,267 --> 00:25:46,567
the undulating canyons
of Chiapas.
553
00:25:46,734 --> 00:25:48,601
At the end of the road,
we'll be hiking a day to
554
00:25:48,767 --> 00:25:50,267
the La Venta Canyon,
555
00:25:50,434 --> 00:25:52,701
and then we'll follow the river
for another day
556
00:25:52,868 --> 00:25:55,767
toward the location where
farmers have reported
557
00:25:55,934 --> 00:25:56,801
uncharted caves.
558
00:25:59,601 --> 00:26:00,667
This is us.
559
00:26:00,834 --> 00:26:02,100
-We're on foot from here.
-That's it.
560
00:26:03,801 --> 00:26:07,000
[Josh] We grab our packs
and get ready to sweat.
561
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,067
Luckily, Josuhé has arranged for
some four-legged backup.
562
00:26:11,167 --> 00:26:13,000
-Hola.
-Buenos dias.
563
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,767
-Abraham? Josh.
-Como estan?
564
00:26:14,934 --> 00:26:15,934
-Mucho gusto.
-Buenos dias.
565
00:26:15,934 --> 00:26:18,601
OK, so does this mean we get
to ride there?
566
00:26:18,767 --> 00:26:19,968
-No, for the gear.
-It's for the gear.
567
00:26:20,133 --> 00:26:22,100
A guy can dream.
All right, we got a lot
of gear.
568
00:26:22,267 --> 00:26:23,267
-Should we load it up?
-Yeah.
569
00:26:23,434 --> 00:26:25,000
[Josh] OK, let's do it.
Come on.
570
00:26:25,167 --> 00:26:28,367
The animals will haul supplies
as far as they can and then
571
00:26:28,367 --> 00:26:31,300
leave depots for us to
return to on the hike back out.
572
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,067
The jungle immediately envelops
us, and for the first time,
573
00:26:41,234 --> 00:26:43,767
I realize just how off the grid
we're going to be.
574
00:26:47,767 --> 00:26:49,300
What else is out here with us?
575
00:26:49,467 --> 00:26:53,167
This is a biosphere reserve,
so there's a lot of diversity
576
00:26:53,334 --> 00:26:57,267
of animals, anywhere from
wild boar to jaguars.
577
00:26:57,267 --> 00:26:58,367
A lot of jaguars here?
578
00:26:58,367 --> 00:27:00,400
Yeah, there's a healthy
population of jaguars.
579
00:27:00,567 --> 00:27:01,801
Wow.
580
00:27:01,801 --> 00:27:04,667
But what you really need to
worry about is the nauyaca.
581
00:27:04,834 --> 00:27:07,667
It is a very venomous
and aggressive snake.
582
00:27:07,667 --> 00:27:09,167
We would call
that a fer-de-lance.
583
00:27:09,334 --> 00:27:10,367
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
584
00:27:10,367 --> 00:27:11,767
One of them tried to kill me
a few years ago.
585
00:27:11,934 --> 00:27:13,601
-Really?
-Yeah, yeah, it was great.
586
00:27:13,767 --> 00:27:15,400
That's the only venomous
snake here?
587
00:27:15,567 --> 00:27:17,167
-[Arcelia] No, there are others.
-[Josuhé] There are more.
588
00:27:17,167 --> 00:27:18,501
There's always others.
589
00:27:18,667 --> 00:27:20,167
-All right, well, here we go.
-[Arcelia] OK. Let's go.
590
00:27:20,167 --> 00:27:21,467
I'm always sorry I asked.
591
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:30,567
[Josh] But here at the start of
our hike, it's not the snakes
592
00:27:30,567 --> 00:27:31,601
I need to worry about.
593
00:27:37,601 --> 00:27:38,567
Oh, boy.
594
00:27:39,968 --> 00:27:41,868
[Josuhé] Oh, wow.
595
00:27:42,033 --> 00:27:44,300
Well, we can use the bridge to
cross the river.
596
00:27:44,467 --> 00:27:46,100
Sure, yeah, the bridge from
"Temple of Doom."
597
00:27:46,267 --> 00:27:49,367
That sounds like a great idea.
OK, who's going first?
598
00:27:49,367 --> 00:27:51,467
The heaviest should go first.
599
00:27:51,467 --> 00:27:53,000
All right, move.
Out of my way.
600
00:27:55,467 --> 00:27:56,801
Zoque wouldn't have used
this bridge.
601
00:27:58,567 --> 00:28:00,434
Oh, boy.
602
00:28:02,901 --> 00:28:06,467
Oh, these boards are sketchy.
They are just rotted out.
603
00:28:08,667 --> 00:28:09,868
Got a missing board here
in the middle.
604
00:28:11,167 --> 00:28:12,868
Hoo-hoo.
605
00:28:13,033 --> 00:28:16,067
Please don't collapse and fall.
Please don't collapse and fall.
606
00:28:22,167 --> 00:28:23,501
I was gonna say it's not
the worst bridge
607
00:28:23,667 --> 00:28:25,767
I've ever been on, but it is.
608
00:28:25,767 --> 00:28:27,501
It is the worst bridge.
609
00:28:27,667 --> 00:28:29,267
[Josh] I've joined
archaeologists Josuhé Lozada
610
00:28:29,267 --> 00:28:31,801
and Arcelia Garcia
on a trek
611
00:28:31,968 --> 00:28:35,801
into sacred Mexican wilderness
to find answers about
612
00:28:35,968 --> 00:28:40,100
the Zoque, a once powerful
civilization that evacuated
613
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:41,501
their mighty cities.
614
00:28:41,667 --> 00:28:44,267
Newly reported caves
deep in the jungle
615
00:28:44,434 --> 00:28:46,267
may offer clues to their fate.
616
00:28:47,868 --> 00:28:49,701
Prepare to meet Kali.
617
00:28:49,868 --> 00:28:52,200
[Josh] It's a once-in-a-lifetime
trip, but hopefully
618
00:28:52,367 --> 00:28:53,801
not because I'm going
to die here.
619
00:28:55,767 --> 00:28:58,501
OK, I'm alive, I'm alive.
Here we go, we got it.
620
00:29:04,067 --> 00:29:06,200
It turns out there's no
shortage of jungle on
621
00:29:06,367 --> 00:29:08,300
the other side of
the rickety bridge,
622
00:29:08,467 --> 00:29:10,367
and we trek on for hours,
623
00:29:10,534 --> 00:29:14,000
moving further and further into
the possible last refuge
624
00:29:14,167 --> 00:29:15,634
of the Zoque.
625
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:20,200
-Are we there yet?
-[Arcelia] Not even close.
626
00:29:25,767 --> 00:29:27,267
[Josh] It takes the better part
of a day,
627
00:29:27,434 --> 00:29:30,567
but we finally reach
our first major landmark.
628
00:29:30,567 --> 00:29:32,300
And I do mean major.
629
00:29:34,767 --> 00:29:38,400
-What is that?
-That's the Arch of Time.
630
00:29:38,567 --> 00:29:40,200
It is huge!
631
00:29:42,567 --> 00:29:45,801
[Josh] This is Arco del Tiempo,
the Arch of Time,
632
00:29:45,968 --> 00:29:49,467
one of the largest rock arches
on Earth.
633
00:29:49,467 --> 00:29:53,767
It towers 590 feet above
the La Venta River --
634
00:29:53,934 --> 00:29:56,767
a river we'll need to follow to
reach the Zoque Caves
635
00:29:56,934 --> 00:29:58,567
deeper in the jungle.
636
00:29:58,567 --> 00:30:00,200
So, how are we getting
down there?
637
00:30:00,367 --> 00:30:01,767
[Arcelia]
We gotta rappel.
638
00:30:01,767 --> 00:30:03,667
So, how far is
that, you think?
639
00:30:03,834 --> 00:30:06,000
-[Arcelia] Looks like 100 feet.
-OK.
640
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,000
Luckily, we have
an expert climber.
641
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000
Oh, I don't know about expert.
I do OK.
642
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,801
-I mean, you know.
-I mean her.
643
00:30:11,968 --> 00:30:13,100
[Josh] Oh, sure.
Sorry.
644
00:30:13,267 --> 00:30:15,100
Sorry.
Yes, of course.
645
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:18,200
[Josh] Arcelia is, in fact,
a world-class climber
646
00:30:18,367 --> 00:30:20,767
who's scaled El Capitan
in Yosemite
647
00:30:20,767 --> 00:30:23,267
and the Cordillera Blanca
in Peru.
648
00:30:23,267 --> 00:30:25,567
And now our lives are
in her hands.
649
00:30:25,734 --> 00:30:27,000
-We got this -- we got this.
-Sure.
650
00:30:27,167 --> 00:30:29,000
Me -- me too.
This is easy.
Here we go.
651
00:30:30,267 --> 00:30:32,367
[Josh] This is the end
of the road for our horses,
652
00:30:32,534 --> 00:30:34,868
but fortunately, they're
carrying rappelling gear.
653
00:30:36,868 --> 00:30:40,367
This is going to be a 100-foot
drop off a crumbling ledge
654
00:30:40,367 --> 00:30:43,100
perched directly above
the rocky riverbank.
655
00:30:43,267 --> 00:30:45,067
So, naturally,
they put the harness
656
00:30:45,234 --> 00:30:46,367
on me first.
657
00:30:46,367 --> 00:30:47,767
Why am I going first again?
658
00:30:47,934 --> 00:30:49,167
Well, you wanted to.
659
00:30:49,334 --> 00:30:51,868
I do not remember it
that way at all.
660
00:30:51,868 --> 00:30:53,200
OK, here goes nothing.
661
00:30:58,767 --> 00:30:59,801
[Arcelia]
Take it nice and easy, Josh.
662
00:31:07,267 --> 00:31:08,367
Looks like a big overhang.
663
00:31:12,667 --> 00:31:14,100
Ah!
[bleep]
664
00:31:14,267 --> 00:31:15,767
OK, huge drop!
665
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,267
The walls of this canyon are
wet and crumbling, and it goes
666
00:31:21,434 --> 00:31:23,267
without saying that any
accident out here
667
00:31:23,434 --> 00:31:25,000
would be a disaster.
668
00:31:25,167 --> 00:31:29,067
We're a day's hike from a road,
let alone a hospital.
669
00:31:29,234 --> 00:31:30,000
This is terrifying.
670
00:31:42,067 --> 00:31:46,567
-OK, off rappel.
-[Arcelia] I'm coming down,
Josh.
671
00:31:46,734 --> 00:31:47,567
OK.
672
00:31:53,367 --> 00:31:55,367
-Oh, you OK?
-[Arcelia] Whoa!
673
00:31:55,534 --> 00:31:58,868
-[Josh] Are you OK?
-Yeah, that was slippery.
674
00:31:58,868 --> 00:32:00,100
Whoo-hoo-hoo.
675
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:01,767
-[Arcelia] Whoo!
-You scared me there!
676
00:32:01,934 --> 00:32:05,367
[Josh]
Arcelia recovers her footing
and then, rather effortlessly,
677
00:32:05,367 --> 00:32:08,667
makes her way down into
the limestone canyon carved by
678
00:32:08,667 --> 00:32:12,701
the La Venta River over
170 million years.
679
00:32:12,868 --> 00:32:16,467
That makes it over twice as old
as the Grand Canyon.
680
00:32:16,467 --> 00:32:17,667
-Good job.
-Good job.
681
00:32:17,667 --> 00:32:19,000
I thought you were gonna take
the express route down
682
00:32:19,167 --> 00:32:20,467
for a second.
-It was slippery.
683
00:32:20,467 --> 00:32:22,767
[Josh] Yeah, very slippery.
OK.
684
00:32:22,934 --> 00:32:24,167
Let's walk Josuhé through it.
685
00:32:25,868 --> 00:32:28,100
That part's slippery,
so be careful.
686
00:32:29,467 --> 00:32:31,267
You got it.
687
00:32:31,267 --> 00:32:32,367
[Arcelia] Watch out.
688
00:32:32,534 --> 00:32:33,567
[Josuhé] Ah!
689
00:32:33,734 --> 00:32:35,400
-Oh.
-Oh [bleep].
690
00:32:35,567 --> 00:32:36,567
Are you OK?
691
00:32:37,801 --> 00:32:38,801
Are you OK?
692
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:41,467
-[Josuhé] Ugh, I am OK.
-[Josh] OK.
693
00:32:41,467 --> 00:32:42,968
-[Arcelia] Don't let go
of the rope.
-That was scary.
694
00:32:44,868 --> 00:32:48,601
[Josh]
Josuhé manages to make it down
safely, and all three of us are
695
00:32:48,767 --> 00:32:53,267
reunited on the canyon floor to
take in a bucket list view.
696
00:32:53,267 --> 00:32:54,767
Whoo!
697
00:32:54,934 --> 00:32:57,000
-Hey, great job.
-Thank you.
698
00:32:57,167 --> 00:32:58,367
-Great job, yeah.
-Amazing.
699
00:32:58,367 --> 00:33:00,067
I mean, can we talk
about this?
700
00:33:00,067 --> 00:33:01,367
-[Arcelia] Look at this place.
-[Josuhé] Yes, of course.
701
00:33:01,367 --> 00:33:04,367
[Josh] I have never seen
anything like this in my life.
702
00:33:05,601 --> 00:33:08,701
-So this is the La Venta River?
-[Arcelia] This is
the La Venta River.
703
00:33:08,868 --> 00:33:10,901
Through the arch is the land
of the Zoque.
704
00:33:11,067 --> 00:33:12,400
All right, into the land
of the Zoque.
705
00:33:14,868 --> 00:33:17,367
[Josh] Beyond the arch is one of
the most sacred regions of
706
00:33:17,534 --> 00:33:19,868
the ancient Zoque world,
a world of
707
00:33:19,868 --> 00:33:22,767
jaguars, water,
and the underworld,
708
00:33:22,767 --> 00:33:25,167
the holy caves that Josuhé hopes
709
00:33:25,334 --> 00:33:28,200
may hold the key to
learning their fate.
710
00:33:30,667 --> 00:33:33,667
We follow the river and work
further into the forest,
711
00:33:33,834 --> 00:33:37,667
trying to make as much distance
before sunset as possible,
712
00:33:37,834 --> 00:33:39,701
until we stop and make camp
for the night.
713
00:33:41,367 --> 00:33:44,167
Josh, what do you think about
being here in La Venta Canyon?
714
00:33:44,167 --> 00:33:46,367
Oh, this is another
world, right?
715
00:33:46,367 --> 00:33:48,667
I feel like I'm hanging out
with the Zoque.
716
00:33:48,667 --> 00:33:51,400
You just imagine, so,
them abandoning that city,
717
00:33:51,567 --> 00:33:54,901
they're walking a hundred
or more miles through
718
00:33:55,067 --> 00:33:58,167
the jungle, all jungle, to get
out to places like this.
719
00:33:58,334 --> 00:34:00,100
That means you're either
really desperate,
720
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:02,367
or this place is
that important to you.
721
00:34:02,367 --> 00:34:04,801
All these elements,
like the water,
722
00:34:04,968 --> 00:34:10,167
the mountain, the caves,
are connected in one place that
723
00:34:10,334 --> 00:34:13,267
is into La Venta Canyon.
-[Josh] Right.
724
00:34:13,267 --> 00:34:15,767
-So what's for dinner?
-Wild boar, right?
725
00:34:15,934 --> 00:34:17,868
Are you gonna go
hunting or what?
726
00:34:18,033 --> 00:34:20,167
Well, I have something
for you.
727
00:34:20,334 --> 00:34:22,267
-A spiritual drink.
-Oh, boy.
728
00:34:22,434 --> 00:34:24,367
-Oh, boy.
-It's posh.
729
00:34:24,534 --> 00:34:25,567
-[Josh] Posh?
-Posh.
730
00:34:25,567 --> 00:34:27,767
-Que es posh?
-It's a medicine drink.
731
00:34:27,934 --> 00:34:29,868
I'm sure it is.
It's used to treat sobriety.
732
00:34:31,501 --> 00:34:32,868
What is it made from?
733
00:34:32,868 --> 00:34:36,167
-It's made with corn.
-[Josh] Oh, from corn.
734
00:34:36,167 --> 00:34:38,801
-Well, this is a very Zoque
drink then, right?
-Yeah.
735
00:34:38,968 --> 00:34:43,200
The local people use the posh
to cure the illness
736
00:34:43,367 --> 00:34:44,901
of the soul.
Do you want to try?
737
00:34:45,067 --> 00:34:46,167
-Yeah, of course.
-[Josuhé] OK.
738
00:34:52,567 --> 00:34:54,968
Here's to our souls
and to the Zoque.
739
00:34:55,133 --> 00:34:56,567
-To the Zoque.
-To the Zoque. Salud.
740
00:34:56,567 --> 00:34:57,767
Salud.
741
00:35:01,467 --> 00:35:04,267
-Wha -- hoo.
-[laughing]
742
00:35:04,434 --> 00:35:07,767
-What do you think?
-It's um, it's good.
743
00:35:07,934 --> 00:35:09,000
-Mm.
-It's really good.
744
00:35:09,167 --> 00:35:10,200
Do you want more?
745
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,167
-Yeah.
-Yes, I want more.
Are you kidding?
746
00:35:13,567 --> 00:35:14,567
-Salud.
-Salud.
747
00:35:14,567 --> 00:35:16,200
Salud.
748
00:35:16,367 --> 00:35:17,200
All the best.
749
00:35:21,567 --> 00:35:23,801
[Josh] We awaken to a day much
like yesterday.
750
00:35:23,968 --> 00:35:27,267
A lot of jungle, a lot of heat,
and a lot of one foot
751
00:35:27,434 --> 00:35:28,501
in front of the other.
752
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,100
We spend hours following
the river canyon until,
753
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:37,200
finally, we approach
our target zone.
754
00:35:39,667 --> 00:35:40,667
[Arcelia]
Should be in the area.
755
00:35:41,968 --> 00:35:43,100
[Josuhé] I think so.
756
00:35:43,267 --> 00:35:45,367
[Arcelia] There's plenty of
limestone here.
757
00:35:45,367 --> 00:35:48,734
[Josh] Oh, yeah, look at that.
Huge outcropping all in here.
758
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,000
To the Zoque, this was
a place of magic.
759
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,100
The cave systems in this region
were formed by millennia of
760
00:35:57,100 --> 00:36:00,167
running water channeling
through limestone rock.
761
00:36:00,334 --> 00:36:01,667
We've found the limestone.
762
00:36:01,834 --> 00:36:04,100
Now, we just need to
find a cave.
763
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:07,067
Yeah, I mean, there's little
overhangs and crevices
764
00:36:07,234 --> 00:36:08,701
all throughout here.
765
00:36:08,868 --> 00:36:12,167
Yeah, I'm sure there's
a cave system.
766
00:36:12,167 --> 00:36:13,367
Under all this?
767
00:36:13,534 --> 00:36:15,000
Yes, we just need to
find the entrance.
768
00:36:16,167 --> 00:36:17,300
Look towards your left.
769
00:36:18,767 --> 00:36:20,868
[Josh] Yeah, follow this
ridge, right?
770
00:36:21,033 --> 00:36:22,200
-[Arcelia] Right.
-[Josuhé] Yes.
771
00:36:23,667 --> 00:36:25,701
-There is something here.
-[Arcelia] What do you see?
772
00:36:25,868 --> 00:36:28,467
-[Josh] You see something?
-I think it's a cave.
773
00:36:28,467 --> 00:36:30,501
-[Josh] You see a cave?
-[Josuhé] Yes, for sure.
774
00:36:30,667 --> 00:36:31,567
[Josh] For sure?
Where?
775
00:36:32,667 --> 00:36:34,400
-[Arcelia] Yes.
-[indistinct]
776
00:36:34,567 --> 00:36:37,367
-[Josh] Oh-ho-ho! It's huge!
-[Josuhé] Wow.
777
00:36:38,601 --> 00:36:42,701
-[Josuhé] Wow! Oh, my God.
-[Josh] Oh, that is a cave!
778
00:36:49,667 --> 00:36:50,767
Amazing.
Hey.
779
00:36:50,767 --> 00:36:52,400
-[Josuhé] It's amazing.
-Amazing.
780
00:36:52,567 --> 00:36:54,000
That's a cave for sure.
781
00:36:54,167 --> 00:36:56,367
[Josh] After two days of hiking
into the jungles of
782
00:36:56,534 --> 00:36:59,000
Chiapas, Mexico,
we finally discovered
783
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,601
the entrance to a cave in
a remote and unexplored area
784
00:37:02,767 --> 00:37:05,000
sacred to the ancient Zoque,
785
00:37:05,167 --> 00:37:08,567
a once vibrant civilization
that mysteriously abandoned
786
00:37:08,567 --> 00:37:11,868
their cities over
1,300 years ago.
787
00:37:11,868 --> 00:37:13,300
I was picturing some
little thing
788
00:37:13,467 --> 00:37:14,400
we were gonna have to
crawl into.
789
00:37:14,567 --> 00:37:15,701
That's like,
a proper cave.
790
00:37:15,868 --> 00:37:18,467
The question is,
is it a Zoque site?
791
00:37:18,467 --> 00:37:19,767
There's only one way to
find out.
792
00:37:21,767 --> 00:37:23,868
[Josh]
This is the moment of truth.
793
00:37:24,033 --> 00:37:25,901
Josuhé leads the way
into the passage.
794
00:37:27,467 --> 00:37:31,667
Into the underworld.
Whoa, look at this place!
795
00:37:31,667 --> 00:37:34,667
[Josh]
And we fan out to search for
signs of the Zoque.
796
00:37:37,868 --> 00:37:39,968
Anything yet?
Anything?
797
00:37:40,133 --> 00:37:42,200
-[Josuhé] Not yet.
-Nothing here either.
798
00:37:44,667 --> 00:37:46,167
[Josuhé] Oh, wow.
Look at this.
799
00:37:46,334 --> 00:37:47,200
[Josh] See something?
800
00:37:48,267 --> 00:37:50,300
-[Josuhé] Wow!
-[Josh] Oh, my God.
801
00:37:50,467 --> 00:37:52,167
Ho!
802
00:37:52,167 --> 00:37:53,367
-[Arcelia] Wow.
-[Josh] Those are handprints.
803
00:37:53,534 --> 00:37:54,767
Is this Zoque?
804
00:37:54,934 --> 00:37:57,100
-Yes, it is Zoque.
-How do we know that?
805
00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:59,767
We have seen other handprints
in caves.
806
00:37:59,934 --> 00:38:03,267
This is very special,
because the other ones were
807
00:38:03,434 --> 00:38:04,901
made in red color.
808
00:38:05,067 --> 00:38:06,868
Oh, like a red paint.
And this is different.
809
00:38:07,033 --> 00:38:09,100
This is what, some like
charcoal or something?
810
00:38:09,267 --> 00:38:11,067
Seems to be like charcoal.
811
00:38:11,234 --> 00:38:12,868
[Josh] So this has not been
seen before?
812
00:38:12,868 --> 00:38:17,100
This is the very first time
a black color painting related
813
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:20,000
with a handprint.
-Wow!
814
00:38:20,167 --> 00:38:22,367
[Josh]
This is a major discovery.
815
00:38:22,534 --> 00:38:25,200
The imagery echoes
the carved handprint we saw
816
00:38:25,367 --> 00:38:27,267
back in Iglesia Vieja.
817
00:38:27,267 --> 00:38:30,567
These, however, were created by
the Zoque holding their hands to
818
00:38:30,734 --> 00:38:34,367
the cave surface and then
blowing black carbon powder to
819
00:38:34,534 --> 00:38:35,801
create the outlines.
820
00:38:35,968 --> 00:38:37,367
It is a stunning connection
821
00:38:37,367 --> 00:38:40,567
to the past in a stunning state
of preservation.
822
00:38:40,734 --> 00:38:43,300
-And look how clean each of
the handprints are.
-[Arcelia] Yeah.
823
00:38:43,467 --> 00:38:47,167
Like, if these were done one at
a time, then you'd see paint
824
00:38:47,167 --> 00:38:48,667
kind of spilling into
the other ones.
-[Josuhé] Yes.
825
00:38:48,667 --> 00:38:52,000
-[Arcelia] Yeah.
-So it seems like maybe this was
all done at one time?
826
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,467
Yes -- it could have been
a ritual
827
00:38:54,634 --> 00:38:56,868
in which six people stood with
828
00:38:56,868 --> 00:39:00,167
their and then one person
painted on top of them.
829
00:39:00,334 --> 00:39:02,267
-A millennium ago, right here.
-[Josuhé] We are here.
830
00:39:02,434 --> 00:39:03,467
Right here.
831
00:39:05,868 --> 00:39:08,868
And so, any idea what
the function of this is?
832
00:39:08,868 --> 00:39:11,167
I mean, is it art?
Is it communication?
833
00:39:11,167 --> 00:39:14,567
It's a portal where the Zoques
could communicate with
834
00:39:14,734 --> 00:39:17,601
the ancestors,
with their world of spirits.
835
00:39:17,767 --> 00:39:20,467
These are people that wanted
to connect to the powers that
836
00:39:20,634 --> 00:39:22,801
were held in this cave.
-And is there more?
837
00:39:22,968 --> 00:39:24,567
Like, what else is even
in here?
838
00:39:25,968 --> 00:39:28,667
Oh!
Oh, look at this!
839
00:39:28,667 --> 00:39:30,767
-[Josuhé] It's a jaguar!
-[Josh] That is a jaguar!
840
00:39:30,767 --> 00:39:33,767
-[Josuhé] Yes.
-That is really, really clear.
841
00:39:33,934 --> 00:39:36,367
Like, you can absolutely see
the animal's head.
842
00:39:36,534 --> 00:39:38,868
And there is another here.
This is a snake.
843
00:39:38,868 --> 00:39:40,467
-[Josh] That's a snake?
-[Josuhé] Yes.
844
00:39:40,467 --> 00:39:42,267
[Josh] Oh, is this like,
an open mouth?
845
00:39:42,267 --> 00:39:44,100
-[Josuhé] Yes, that is.
-[Josh] Aha!
846
00:39:44,267 --> 00:39:47,467
[Josh] Like the jaguar,
the snake is an animal avatar of
847
00:39:47,467 --> 00:39:50,467
the Zoque spirits, to whom
they prayed for favor in
848
00:39:50,634 --> 00:39:52,367
water and agriculture.
849
00:39:52,534 --> 00:39:55,367
If this is a snake, and I think
that's definitely a jaguar,
850
00:39:55,367 --> 00:39:59,667
now we have, like, to,
like, really important animals
851
00:39:59,834 --> 00:40:01,601
and symbols for them, right?
-[Arcelia] Yes.
852
00:40:01,767 --> 00:40:04,200
And the jaguar has a very
important symbolism
853
00:40:04,367 --> 00:40:06,000
throughout Mesoamerica.
-Yeah.
854
00:40:06,167 --> 00:40:08,868
It is connected
to the underworld,
855
00:40:09,033 --> 00:40:12,767
darkness, night,
fertility, and water.
856
00:40:12,767 --> 00:40:13,767
And water.
857
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,701
[Josh] Right.
858
00:40:16,868 --> 00:40:18,667
[Josuhé]
Oh, look at that.
859
00:40:18,834 --> 00:40:20,467
-[Josh] It's pottery.
-[Josuhé] Wow.
860
00:40:20,634 --> 00:40:21,868
Different colors here,
too, right?
861
00:40:21,868 --> 00:40:24,167
-We've got this
darker pottery here...
-[Josuhé] Yes.
862
00:40:24,167 --> 00:40:27,868
...and then this
really bright orange.
-[Josuhé] Yes.
863
00:40:28,033 --> 00:40:29,767
[Josh] And look, we have kind of
a rim here.
864
00:40:29,934 --> 00:40:33,100
This is like that fine orange
pottery we saw at
865
00:40:33,267 --> 00:40:35,601
Iglesia Vieja, yes?
-Yes.
866
00:40:35,767 --> 00:40:41,467
So this kind of pottery is
dated from 650 to 900 AD.
867
00:40:41,467 --> 00:40:43,601
So this is when they're leaving
their cities or after
868
00:40:43,767 --> 00:40:45,467
they've left?
-Yes, absolutely.
869
00:40:45,467 --> 00:40:46,634
Wow.
870
00:40:46,634 --> 00:40:49,567
OK, so the question is,
why is this pottery here?
871
00:40:49,734 --> 00:40:51,868
Was this a ritual, an offering?
872
00:40:52,033 --> 00:40:54,701
Well, we have to see where it
was placed, and it was placed
873
00:40:54,868 --> 00:40:58,167
just beneath the stalactite,
where there's dripping water.
874
00:40:58,167 --> 00:40:59,667
Look at that,
still dripping today.
875
00:40:59,667 --> 00:41:02,767
It was probably used to
capture that dripping water,
876
00:41:02,934 --> 00:41:04,667
that sacred water.
-[Josuhé] The sacred water.
877
00:41:04,834 --> 00:41:06,100
-[Josh] Wow.
-And used for rituals.
878
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:09,367
So here we are, like they've
abandoned their cities
879
00:41:09,534 --> 00:41:11,167
and they're coming here.
-Coming here.
880
00:41:11,334 --> 00:41:12,467
And they're doing
these rituals.
881
00:41:12,634 --> 00:41:13,801
-Yes.
-Yes.
882
00:41:13,801 --> 00:41:17,868
If we have a cave like this,
there are probably more.
883
00:41:18,033 --> 00:41:19,000
-Right.
-Yes.
884
00:41:19,167 --> 00:41:21,467
For sure.
OK, well, let's keep looking
885
00:41:21,634 --> 00:41:22,901
around and see
what else we see.
886
00:41:24,467 --> 00:41:27,200
[Josh]
The cave has revealed
the presence of the Zoque,
887
00:41:27,367 --> 00:41:31,267
but no answers to their decision
to evacuate their cities.
888
00:41:31,267 --> 00:41:34,167
The reports we received
suggested there were multiple
889
00:41:34,167 --> 00:41:37,767
caves here, so we head back to
the surface to look for more.
890
00:41:41,968 --> 00:41:45,801
So this limestone ridge goes
all along here, yeah?
891
00:41:45,968 --> 00:41:47,000
Yes, it does.
892
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,300
-[Josh] Careful,
slippery in here.
-Yes.
893
00:41:52,467 --> 00:41:53,567
[Arcelia] Watch out for all
the thorns.
894
00:41:58,467 --> 00:42:00,667
-Oh, over here?
-Oh, there is something here.
895
00:42:00,667 --> 00:42:02,634
-Another cave.
-[Josh] Is it?
896
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:06,601
-[Josuhé] Wow.
-[Josh] A huge drop.
897
00:42:06,767 --> 00:42:08,467
-Look at that.
-[Josuhé] It's very deep.
898
00:42:08,467 --> 00:42:10,167
[Arcelia] Wow.
899
00:42:10,334 --> 00:42:13,167
Maybe like a 30-foot drop,
40-foot drop?
900
00:42:13,167 --> 00:42:15,501
[Arcelia] Yes.
Definitely bigger than
the other one.
901
00:42:15,667 --> 00:42:18,367
-[Josh] Yeah, much deeper.
-We need ropes.
902
00:42:18,534 --> 00:42:19,801
Let's rig something.
Come on.
903
00:42:21,267 --> 00:42:24,501
[Josh]
We grab our gear and get ready
for a new descent.
904
00:42:24,667 --> 00:42:27,267
This one not into
a bright canyon, but into
905
00:42:27,267 --> 00:42:28,267
total darkness.
906
00:42:31,901 --> 00:42:33,267
All right, so what's the plan?
907
00:42:33,434 --> 00:42:37,000
The plan is I'm gonna go down,
check it out, and you guys
908
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,167
are right behind me.
909
00:42:38,334 --> 00:42:39,567
-I love this plan.
-Sounds good.
910
00:42:39,734 --> 00:42:41,667
Make sure there's no jaguars
living down there.
911
00:42:41,667 --> 00:42:43,567
-Oh, hopefully not.
-Just let us know.
912
00:42:43,567 --> 00:42:45,400
Just scream if
you see anything.
913
00:42:47,567 --> 00:42:49,367
OK, I'm setting my rappel.
914
00:42:50,968 --> 00:42:52,167
-See you there.
-[Josh] See you down there.
915
00:42:57,567 --> 00:43:00,367
[Arcelia] Wow.
It's big.
916
00:43:00,367 --> 00:43:02,767
-Yeah, it goes further back?
-[Arcelia] It goes further back.
917
00:43:04,801 --> 00:43:06,400
It goes further back.
OK, great.
918
00:43:07,667 --> 00:43:08,667
[Arcelia]
You gotta watch your step.
919
00:43:16,501 --> 00:43:18,467
OK, I'm off belay.
You can come down.
920
00:43:18,634 --> 00:43:20,000
OK, off rappel?
I'm coming down.
921
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,000
Here we go.
922
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,434
OK.
923
00:43:24,767 --> 00:43:28,267
-OK, coming down.
-OK, take it nice and slow.
924
00:43:28,434 --> 00:43:29,467
-Will do, coming down.
-[Josuhé] OK.
925
00:43:29,634 --> 00:43:31,133
[Josh] Here we go.
926
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:35,567
[Josh]
From here, the goal is to get
to the bottom, just not as fast
927
00:43:35,734 --> 00:43:36,767
as gravity wants me to.
928
00:43:40,367 --> 00:43:42,901
-Deep and dark, OK.
-Nice and easy, Josh.
929
00:43:46,601 --> 00:43:48,767
These roots or vines
or whatever they are are
930
00:43:48,767 --> 00:43:51,400
super slippery.
-To the left now.
931
00:43:51,567 --> 00:43:53,601
-[Josh] To the left?
-[Arcelia] You're doing good.
932
00:43:53,767 --> 00:43:54,701
Come over here.
933
00:43:55,901 --> 00:43:57,367
-Be careful on the left.
-Hey!
934
00:43:57,534 --> 00:43:58,467
Ooh! Oh!
935
00:44:03,767 --> 00:44:05,667
OK, coming down.
936
00:44:05,834 --> 00:44:08,901
[Josh]
I am currently dangling by
a thread over 40 feet above
937
00:44:09,067 --> 00:44:13,400
the floor of an unexplored cave
deep in the jungles of Mexico.
938
00:44:13,567 --> 00:44:14,834
Why?
939
00:44:14,834 --> 00:44:18,367
To find out what happened to
the mysterious ancient Zoque.
940
00:44:18,534 --> 00:44:20,467
-Be careful on the left?
-[Arcelia] Be careful
on the left.
941
00:44:21,467 --> 00:44:23,567
Ooh!
Oh!
942
00:44:23,567 --> 00:44:24,701
-Oh!
-[Arcelia] Oh, oh!
943
00:44:24,868 --> 00:44:26,267
-[Josuhé] Are you OK?
-I'm OK!
944
00:44:26,267 --> 00:44:27,467
Holy [bleep].
945
00:44:27,634 --> 00:44:28,467
Sorry, I slipped.
946
00:44:32,267 --> 00:44:34,100
-OK.
-[Arcelia] OK, we're here.
947
00:44:34,267 --> 00:44:35,801
-All right.
-[Arcelia] All right.
948
00:44:35,968 --> 00:44:36,968
Well, that was exciting.
949
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:39,400
[Josh] Two down, one to go.
950
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,400
OK, nice and slow.
951
00:44:44,868 --> 00:44:46,334
Good, good, good.
A little further.
952
00:44:48,801 --> 00:44:50,667
[Josuhé]
Here we are.
953
00:44:50,834 --> 00:44:52,601
Good job.
954
00:44:52,767 --> 00:44:54,200
All right, we're down.
955
00:44:54,367 --> 00:44:55,868
Let's see what's down here
with us.
956
00:44:56,033 --> 00:44:57,267
[Josuhé] Yeah.
957
00:45:00,567 --> 00:45:01,567
Oh, wow.
958
00:45:01,734 --> 00:45:03,167
[Josh] We're not alone in here,
for sure.
959
00:45:03,167 --> 00:45:05,934
-Ah, you can see bats are
roosting up there.
-[Arcelia] Yeah.
960
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,901
[Josh] Is that a chamber down
there or what?
961
00:45:10,067 --> 00:45:13,100
[Josuhé] Oh, it's possible.
Oh, wow, there's pottery.
962
00:45:13,267 --> 00:45:15,300
Oh!
It's a complete pottery.
963
00:45:15,467 --> 00:45:17,601
-Is it actually complete?
-[Josuhé] Yes.
964
00:45:17,767 --> 00:45:19,767
-[Josh] No!
-[Josuhé] Oh, wow.
965
00:45:19,934 --> 00:45:22,267
-[Josh] Oh, my God.
-[Josuhé] Yes.
966
00:45:22,434 --> 00:45:26,667
There's not a crack in it.
That is perfectly preserved.
967
00:45:26,667 --> 00:45:29,267
It's that fine orange
Zoque pottery, yes?
968
00:45:29,267 --> 00:45:31,100
Right -- and do you see
the decorations?
969
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:35,367
[Josh]
Yes, so this is covered in
these small ceramic spikes.
970
00:45:35,367 --> 00:45:38,868
Yes -- these are thorns of
the ceiba tree.
971
00:45:38,868 --> 00:45:41,167
Oh, the trees that
we saw at --
972
00:45:41,167 --> 00:45:44,067
[Josuhé] Iglesia Vieja.
Yes.
973
00:45:44,234 --> 00:45:46,767
[Arcelia]
And there was probably here,
a big stalactite, and it was
974
00:45:46,934 --> 00:45:49,067
dripping water
inside the vessel.
975
00:45:49,234 --> 00:45:50,567
[Josh] Which it's doing
still now.
976
00:45:50,567 --> 00:45:53,200
A thousand-plus years later,
there's water in here.
977
00:45:53,367 --> 00:45:56,467
[Arcelia] Wow.
The ceiba tree connected
the three levels
978
00:45:56,634 --> 00:45:58,601
of the universe --
the heavens,
979
00:45:58,767 --> 00:46:00,100
Earth, and the underworld.
980
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:03,701
And both the ceiba tree
and the cave are pathways
981
00:46:03,868 --> 00:46:04,934
to the underworld.
-Right.
982
00:46:04,934 --> 00:46:06,601
-And maybe literally, right?
-[Arcelia] Maybe.
983
00:46:06,767 --> 00:46:08,067
Because look where
we've come to.
984
00:46:08,234 --> 00:46:09,767
-[Arcelia] Yeah.
-And where this sits.
985
00:46:09,934 --> 00:46:12,767
And by the way, this looks like
it keeps going, like it
986
00:46:12,767 --> 00:46:14,767
is a pathway.
Does that go down further?
987
00:46:16,367 --> 00:46:17,667
-[Josuhé] Oh, it continues.
-It does?
988
00:46:17,834 --> 00:46:19,801
-Really?
-[Josuhé] It's so much deeper.
989
00:46:19,968 --> 00:46:21,801
-[Josh] Is it a passage?
-[Josuhé] Yeah, it looks
like that.
990
00:46:21,968 --> 00:46:25,467
-[Arcelia] Wow.
-[Josh] Oh, it goes way down.
Look at that.
991
00:46:25,467 --> 00:46:28,300
And by the way, look at this
natural formation here, right?
992
00:46:28,467 --> 00:46:31,167
-[Arcelia] Wow -- yeah.
-These stalactites look
like fangs.
993
00:46:31,167 --> 00:46:33,601
This looks like a mouth going
down into the earth.
994
00:46:33,767 --> 00:46:36,501
[Arcelia] Yes.
And the Zoque might have thought
the same thing.
995
00:46:36,667 --> 00:46:37,968
[Josh] Right, exactly.
Maybe that's why that vessel
996
00:46:38,133 --> 00:46:39,501
is right there.
997
00:46:39,501 --> 00:46:42,167
[Arcelia]
Having this shape like
the open mouth of the jaguar
998
00:46:42,167 --> 00:46:44,567
symbolizes the entrance
to the underworld.
999
00:46:44,734 --> 00:46:47,000
And it really is imposing
looking down there into
1000
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,501
that darkness.
1001
00:46:48,667 --> 00:46:52,300
[Josh]
The Zoque put great spiritual
value on natural formations
1002
00:46:52,467 --> 00:46:54,267
with animalistic shapes.
1003
00:46:54,267 --> 00:46:56,200
These stalactites,
which look like
1004
00:46:56,367 --> 00:46:59,300
open jaws, act as
a terrifying portal
1005
00:46:59,467 --> 00:47:01,567
into complete darkness below.
1006
00:47:01,734 --> 00:47:04,667
The question is,
how far does it go?
1007
00:47:04,834 --> 00:47:06,667
Should we go into the mouth of
the jaguar here?
1008
00:47:06,834 --> 00:47:08,367
-[Arcelia] Yes, let's go.
-[Josuhé] Let's go to
the underworld.
1009
00:47:08,534 --> 00:47:09,734
[Josh]
Let's go to the underworld.
1010
00:47:11,601 --> 00:47:14,200
I feel like I'm climbing into
the jaws of death here.
1011
00:47:18,701 --> 00:47:19,868
Real muddy and slippery.
1012
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,767
Oh, it really does go way down,
doesn't it?
1013
00:47:23,934 --> 00:47:26,000
Oh [bleep]!
Come here!
1014
00:47:26,167 --> 00:47:27,067
Hey, come here!
Get a camera here!
1015
00:47:27,234 --> 00:47:28,667
Come here!
Look at this!
1016
00:47:31,100 --> 00:47:34,367
-Ho-ho!
Oh, my God!
-[Arcelia] Wow!
1017
00:47:34,367 --> 00:47:35,467
What?
1018
00:47:35,467 --> 00:47:36,467
Oh!
1019
00:47:37,567 --> 00:47:39,467
-Oh, my!
-Oh, wow -- it's a jaguar.
1020
00:47:39,467 --> 00:47:42,667
-It's literally a jaguar.
-Wow.
1021
00:47:42,667 --> 00:47:45,767
[Josh] You can see the tail,
and those are the claws.
1022
00:47:45,767 --> 00:47:47,667
-[Arcelia] Yeah.
-[Josh] And look at his mouth.
1023
00:47:47,667 --> 00:47:49,567
-[Arcelia] You can
see the fangs.
-Absolutely.
1024
00:47:49,734 --> 00:47:51,067
I mean, it actually scared me.
1025
00:47:51,234 --> 00:47:52,801
Like, I looked over,
and it was like this face...
1026
00:47:52,968 --> 00:47:54,767
-Yeah, from up close.
-...jumping out
of the darkness.
1027
00:47:54,767 --> 00:47:56,767
It's like he's pouncing out
of the dark.
1028
00:47:56,934 --> 00:47:59,567
It's the first time that I see
something like this.
1029
00:47:59,567 --> 00:48:02,000
[Josh]
Here, in what the Zoque
considered to be the literal
1030
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,367
passage to the underworld,
we've come face to face with
1031
00:48:05,534 --> 00:48:08,067
the avatar of
its master, the jaguar.
1032
00:48:09,601 --> 00:48:12,167
Why is this on there?
What is this for?
1033
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,367
-Oh, this would be
a funeral urn?
-[Arcelia] Yeah.
1034
00:48:20,367 --> 00:48:22,100
-Yes, for funeral purposes.
-It can be, yes.
1035
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:23,534
Is there anything in there?
1036
00:48:24,667 --> 00:48:29,567
[Josh]
Yes. It's like three-quarters
filled with dark, dark soil.
1037
00:48:29,734 --> 00:48:31,400
So you think that's
human remains?
1038
00:48:31,567 --> 00:48:34,000
Yes, it's possible.
And there is something more.
1039
00:48:34,167 --> 00:48:35,868
Oh, behind it,
there's another vessel.
1040
00:48:36,033 --> 00:48:36,968
Oh, wow.
Yes.
1041
00:48:37,133 --> 00:48:39,067
-Is it another urn?
-It's another urn.
1042
00:48:39,234 --> 00:48:40,667
Yes.
It looks like it's tipped.
1043
00:48:40,667 --> 00:48:42,868
Does that also have
an animal on it?
1044
00:48:43,033 --> 00:48:45,300
-Looks like a bird.
-[Josh] Oh, it does look
like a bird.
1045
00:48:45,467 --> 00:48:47,400
We can see the beak.
We can see the feathers.
1046
00:48:47,567 --> 00:48:49,767
-[Josh] Is it an eagle?
-[Josuhé] It's like, an owl.
1047
00:48:49,767 --> 00:48:51,033
Oh, an owl.
1048
00:48:51,033 --> 00:48:54,667
An owl is also associated with
the cave, with the night,
1049
00:48:54,834 --> 00:48:56,367
and with the underworld.
-Right.
1050
00:48:56,534 --> 00:48:58,868
Looking at these figures,
they're animals, but they also
1051
00:48:59,033 --> 00:49:00,133
look sort of human.
1052
00:49:00,133 --> 00:49:02,300
Like with the jaguar,
the way it's standing,
1053
00:49:02,467 --> 00:49:03,968
it's almost human.
1054
00:49:04,133 --> 00:49:07,167
Yes, because in sacred places
like this cave,
1055
00:49:07,334 --> 00:49:10,067
the line between humans
and animals
1056
00:49:10,234 --> 00:49:11,667
get blurred together.
-[Josh] Right.
1057
00:49:11,667 --> 00:49:16,200
So it is possible for humans to
harness the power of animals
1058
00:49:16,367 --> 00:49:18,267
like the owl
and like the jaguar.
1059
00:49:18,434 --> 00:49:19,701
Right.
Right.
1060
00:49:19,701 --> 00:49:22,868
So if this is a funerary urn,
we have someone's remains in
1061
00:49:23,033 --> 00:49:26,767
there, and they are now,
like, connected to the jaguar.
1062
00:49:26,767 --> 00:49:28,167
We're in this, like,
nesting doll
1063
00:49:28,167 --> 00:49:29,367
of mythology now, right?
1064
00:49:29,534 --> 00:49:31,467
We've come into the cave,
then into the mouth
1065
00:49:31,634 --> 00:49:32,567
of the jaguar.
1066
00:49:32,567 --> 00:49:34,767
Now we're looking
at the jaguar.
1067
00:49:34,767 --> 00:49:37,567
Lord of the underworld.
Nice to meet you.
1068
00:49:38,567 --> 00:49:40,200
-Should we keep going?
-Let's keep going.
1069
00:49:40,367 --> 00:49:41,801
[Josuhé] Yeah.
Let's see.
1070
00:49:41,801 --> 00:49:45,100
[Josh]
The Zoque left these offerings
here to some of the darkest,
1071
00:49:45,267 --> 00:49:47,701
most powerful forces
in their world.
1072
00:49:47,868 --> 00:49:51,601
And now, 1,300 years later,
we have rediscovered them.
1073
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,567
But this cave system goes even
deeper underground.
1074
00:49:56,734 --> 00:49:59,734
-And to find more,
so must we.
-[Arcelia] Wow.
1075
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,801
Tight squeeze.
Here we go.
1076
00:50:03,968 --> 00:50:05,100
Oh, it's muddy in here.
1077
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,901
-[Arcelia] Wow.
-[Josh] Look at this hole.
1078
00:50:08,067 --> 00:50:09,367
-What is that?
-[Arcelia] I don't know.
1079
00:50:12,868 --> 00:50:15,567
-There's another chamber.
-That looks miserable.
1080
00:50:15,567 --> 00:50:17,901
Oh, we're going to get
really muddy.
1081
00:50:18,067 --> 00:50:18,968
OK, let's do this.
1082
00:50:21,367 --> 00:50:22,300
Oh, it's just...
1083
00:50:23,501 --> 00:50:24,701
a mud bath.
1084
00:50:27,167 --> 00:50:28,100
OK, here we go.
1085
00:50:29,367 --> 00:50:31,100
I'm gonna try to back into it.
1086
00:50:31,267 --> 00:50:34,167
It's a really low ceiling,
and there's some
1087
00:50:34,167 --> 00:50:35,267
small stalactites hanging down.
1088
00:50:43,167 --> 00:50:44,367
-Oh.
-[Arcelia] Watch your head.
1089
00:50:44,534 --> 00:50:45,667
[Josh] OK.
1090
00:50:48,901 --> 00:50:49,901
Great.
1091
00:50:50,968 --> 00:50:52,100
Oh, it's muddy.
1092
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:55,267
[Josh] Let me see.
1093
00:50:57,567 --> 00:50:58,567
Oh, it's wet.
1094
00:51:00,901 --> 00:51:03,000
Ho -- oh, my God.
1095
00:51:07,467 --> 00:51:09,701
Oh, it's muddy and wet.
1096
00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:15,000
[Josh] Let me see.
1097
00:51:15,167 --> 00:51:18,567
[Josh]
We're exploring a Mexican cave
system to find artifacts of
1098
00:51:18,567 --> 00:51:21,501
the ancient Zoque,
who mysteriously abandoned
1099
00:51:21,667 --> 00:51:23,968
their cities over
1,300 years ago.
1100
00:51:25,367 --> 00:51:26,767
[Josh] Oh, my God.
1101
00:51:26,934 --> 00:51:29,200
It's another chamber,
but it's flooded.
1102
00:51:29,367 --> 00:51:32,167
-It's like a lake.
-[Arcelia] Oh, no.
1103
00:51:32,334 --> 00:51:36,367
It is incredible in here.
It's totally flooded, though.
1104
00:51:37,801 --> 00:51:39,667
Come on down.
You're gonna love it.
1105
00:51:39,834 --> 00:51:40,901
OK, I'm coming down.
1106
00:51:46,367 --> 00:51:47,367
Oh.
1107
00:51:51,267 --> 00:51:52,901
-It's amazing.
-It's amazing.
1108
00:51:55,367 --> 00:51:58,200
Arcelia joins me on the banks
of a remarkable
1109
00:51:58,367 --> 00:51:59,601
underground lake.
1110
00:51:59,767 --> 00:52:02,501
But what's on the other side,
we don't yet know,
1111
00:52:02,667 --> 00:52:05,567
until Josuhé manages to squeeze
into the space with us.
1112
00:52:07,868 --> 00:52:09,767
[grunts] Oh, wow.
1113
00:52:11,167 --> 00:52:13,567
-Oh, my God, what is this?
-[Josh] I know, right?
1114
00:52:13,734 --> 00:52:15,767
I think most of
this is underwater
1115
00:52:15,934 --> 00:52:17,467
most of the time, right?
-[Arcelia] Yeah.
1116
00:52:17,634 --> 00:52:19,367
And I think this is just
what's left, the rain that
1117
00:52:19,367 --> 00:52:20,901
hasn't evaporated yet.
1118
00:52:21,067 --> 00:52:24,667
But it looks like there's kind
of a beach up over here almost.
1119
00:52:26,801 --> 00:52:30,267
[Josh]
The dry season here in Chiapas
has been verging on drought.
1120
00:52:30,267 --> 00:52:33,100
This chamber, which might well
be flooded to the ceiling
1121
00:52:33,267 --> 00:52:36,300
during the rainy months,
may now be passable.
1122
00:52:36,467 --> 00:52:38,901
So we set out for
the opposite shore.
1123
00:52:39,067 --> 00:52:40,367
-[Arcelia] OK.
-[Josh] Watch your head!
1124
00:52:40,367 --> 00:52:42,467
-This is very sharp.
-There's some rocks.
1125
00:52:44,667 --> 00:52:45,667
[sloshing]
1126
00:52:45,834 --> 00:52:47,000
OK.
1127
00:52:49,467 --> 00:52:51,501
Careful!
It's very, very slippery.
1128
00:52:52,868 --> 00:52:54,567
-Oh.
-[Josuhé] Oh, wow!
1129
00:52:54,567 --> 00:52:57,601
-[Arcelia] What a formation!
-[Josh] It's a waterfall!
1130
00:52:57,767 --> 00:52:59,467
How "Goonies" is this?
1131
00:53:00,601 --> 00:53:02,167
Oh, it's amazing!
1132
00:53:02,334 --> 00:53:06,167
Just cascading down over this
amazing formation.
1133
00:53:08,501 --> 00:53:10,267
It is so otherworldly looking.
1134
00:53:10,434 --> 00:53:13,167
Imagine being down here
and seeing this by torchlight.
1135
00:53:13,334 --> 00:53:15,667
-Yeah.
-It would be insane!
1136
00:53:15,834 --> 00:53:17,067
The question is,
where is it coming from?
1137
00:53:18,501 --> 00:53:20,501
-Follow the water.
-Follow the water.
1138
00:53:20,667 --> 00:53:21,601
Absolutely.
Let's go! Come on!
1139
00:53:25,801 --> 00:53:26,801
Let's see where this leads.
1140
00:53:31,567 --> 00:53:33,667
[Josh] First an underground
lake, and now
1141
00:53:33,834 --> 00:53:35,367
an underground waterfall.
1142
00:53:35,367 --> 00:53:37,701
It's like these caves are
trying to fulfill every
1143
00:53:37,868 --> 00:53:40,100
"Goonies" fantasy
I had as a kid.
1144
00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:43,367
We struggle up to the water's
source to continue chasing
1145
00:53:43,534 --> 00:53:44,767
this ancient mystery.
1146
00:53:44,934 --> 00:53:45,901
Up, up, up.
1147
00:53:47,367 --> 00:53:49,200
Oh, there's an offering.
1148
00:53:49,367 --> 00:53:50,901
-There's an offering.
-[Josuhé] Oh, my God.
1149
00:53:51,067 --> 00:53:52,167
-[Arcelia] Really?
-Holy [bleep].
1150
00:53:52,334 --> 00:53:53,567
Look at the size of this room!
1151
00:53:53,734 --> 00:53:55,367
-[Arcelia] It's incredible.
-[Josuhé] It's huge.
1152
00:53:55,367 --> 00:53:57,968
[Josh] Oh, my God.
This place is enormous.
1153
00:53:58,133 --> 00:53:59,133
Look at this.
1154
00:53:59,133 --> 00:54:01,367
Look at the size of this
curtain formation.
1155
00:54:01,367 --> 00:54:04,367
[Arcelia] Wow.
It's a beautiful formation.
1156
00:54:04,534 --> 00:54:06,467
And again, we have these
offerings connected with
1157
00:54:06,634 --> 00:54:10,267
a new space that's also flooded
and just keeps on going
1158
00:54:10,267 --> 00:54:13,100
and going in
the darkness, right?
-[Josuhé] Yes.
1159
00:54:13,267 --> 00:54:16,100
[Josh] Ahead of us is nothing
but the purest night,
1160
00:54:16,267 --> 00:54:18,100
the underworld itself.
1161
00:54:18,100 --> 00:54:21,000
It makes us deeply uneasy
to push forward.
1162
00:54:21,167 --> 00:54:22,367
How deep is this,
is the question, is it --
1163
00:54:22,534 --> 00:54:24,567
[Arcelia] Let's see.
1164
00:54:24,567 --> 00:54:26,501
-[Josh] Oh, boy.
-[Josuhé] Can't see
anything there.
1165
00:54:26,667 --> 00:54:28,868
-I know.
-No, but I feel something.
1166
00:54:28,868 --> 00:54:30,667
-It's muddy -- oh.
-It's muddy.
1167
00:54:30,834 --> 00:54:32,467
[Josuhé] Oh, oh...
1168
00:54:32,634 --> 00:54:33,567
It's really cold.
1169
00:54:35,267 --> 00:54:37,100
-OK.
-You have to find your footing.
1170
00:54:37,267 --> 00:54:38,167
[Josh] I know.
Be very careful.
1171
00:54:38,334 --> 00:54:41,067
It's like almost knee-deep mud.
1172
00:54:41,234 --> 00:54:42,701
So hard to move through this.
1173
00:54:45,167 --> 00:54:47,167
It's just like
an underground river.
1174
00:54:47,167 --> 00:54:49,701
Let's just follow it along,
see where it goes.
1175
00:54:52,167 --> 00:54:53,300
Careful, it gets deep
over here.
1176
00:54:55,167 --> 00:54:56,267
Another pot here to the left.
1177
00:54:57,467 --> 00:54:59,767
[Josh] Greek myths tell of
the river Styx,
1178
00:54:59,934 --> 00:55:02,567
which ran through
their underworld of Hades.
1179
00:55:02,734 --> 00:55:06,400
And here is the Zoque's version,
just as mythic in its scope,
1180
00:55:06,567 --> 00:55:08,100
but eerily real.
1181
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:10,234
Just beckoning us forward.
1182
00:55:12,701 --> 00:55:15,601
I mean, just take this in
for a second.
1183
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,167
Have you ever seen anything
like this?
1184
00:55:19,167 --> 00:55:20,467
[Josuhé] No, the first time.
1185
00:55:20,634 --> 00:55:23,167
[epic music playing]
1186
00:55:25,567 --> 00:55:27,901
-Wow.
-[Josh] It's amazing,
like a cathedral.
1187
00:55:28,067 --> 00:55:29,767
-[Josuhé] Spectacular.
-[Josh] It is spectacular.
1188
00:55:31,067 --> 00:55:32,801
It is absolutely spectacular.
1189
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,067
OK, here we go.
1190
00:55:45,067 --> 00:55:46,167
OK, it's getting shallower.
1191
00:55:47,801 --> 00:55:48,801
It goes up.
1192
00:55:52,167 --> 00:55:53,267
[Arcelia] Do you see anything?
1193
00:55:55,467 --> 00:55:57,667
I think there's another
chamber up here.
1194
00:55:57,667 --> 00:55:59,567
-[Josuhé] Another chamber?
-[Josh] Maybe the last chamber.
1195
00:55:59,734 --> 00:56:01,100
It looks like a dead end.
It's a big room.
1196
00:56:07,467 --> 00:56:09,000
Careful, there's a drop-off
here on the left.
1197
00:56:10,167 --> 00:56:13,300
-Oh, my Lord!
-Wow, what is that?
1198
00:56:14,567 --> 00:56:17,100
-[gasps] -- what a masterpiece!
-What on earth?
1199
00:56:17,267 --> 00:56:18,100
[Arcelia] Oh!
1200
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,200
[Josh] What on earth?
1201
00:56:24,567 --> 00:56:26,367
[Josuhé speaking]
1202
00:56:26,367 --> 00:56:27,367
[Josh] Look at this.
1203
00:56:28,567 --> 00:56:30,901
This is absolutely incredible.
1204
00:56:32,167 --> 00:56:34,567
I never seen anything
like this.
1205
00:56:34,567 --> 00:56:37,667
I don't think anybody has,
because it's been hiding down
1206
00:56:37,834 --> 00:56:40,167
here for a thousand years.
Wow.
1207
00:56:40,334 --> 00:56:43,367
Look at all the different
types of ceramics here.
1208
00:56:43,534 --> 00:56:45,400
And by the way,
they're all around us.
1209
00:56:45,567 --> 00:56:46,767
-They're behind us.
-[Arcelia] They're here...
1210
00:56:46,767 --> 00:56:48,100
[Josh] There's pots over here.
1211
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:50,567
There's literally a half
a dozen pots behind me.
1212
00:56:50,567 --> 00:56:53,200
I mean, they are everywhere
you look.
1213
00:56:53,367 --> 00:56:56,467
There must be a hundred
individual vessels here.
1214
00:56:57,801 --> 00:57:01,367
[Josh] This cave is not
a mere find, it's a career.
1215
00:57:01,367 --> 00:57:04,467
There's enough here to fill
a museum, to study
1216
00:57:04,467 --> 00:57:05,868
for a lifetime.
1217
00:57:05,868 --> 00:57:08,501
The sheer volume of this cave
is unlike anything
1218
00:57:08,667 --> 00:57:10,801
I have ever experienced.
1219
00:57:10,968 --> 00:57:14,100
But even surrounded by
priceless relics, there's one
1220
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:17,267
piece of pristine pottery that
catches our eye.
1221
00:57:17,267 --> 00:57:19,601
Look at how fine
the quality is of this.
1222
00:57:19,767 --> 00:57:20,968
[indistinct]
1223
00:57:21,133 --> 00:57:23,601
-Is it a snake?
-[Josuhé] This is a snake.
1224
00:57:23,767 --> 00:57:25,400
[Arcelia] Has the fangs.
1225
00:57:25,567 --> 00:57:27,100
[Josh] Yes, there are fangs
there and almost a horn
1226
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:28,868
on top as well.
1227
00:57:28,868 --> 00:57:32,067
[Josh] This is an ancient
ceramic incense burner used for
1228
00:57:32,234 --> 00:57:35,667
the ritual lighting of copal,
the aromatic resin of
1229
00:57:35,834 --> 00:57:38,801
the sacred Ceiba tree
we saw depicted in jars
1230
00:57:38,968 --> 00:57:40,100
near the entrance.
1231
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:41,968
So when they lit this,
smoke would have come out
1232
00:57:42,133 --> 00:57:43,367
of its mouth.
1233
00:57:43,534 --> 00:57:46,067
What's the significance,
you think, of the snake?
1234
00:57:46,234 --> 00:57:50,000
-The snake is a very lethal
animal, and the people
-[Josh] Mm-hmm.
1235
00:57:50,167 --> 00:57:54,267
could transform into the snake
in order to communicate with
1236
00:57:54,267 --> 00:57:56,567
the entities of this cave.
1237
00:57:56,734 --> 00:57:59,767
The snake is so powerful that
it lets you talk to
1238
00:57:59,934 --> 00:58:02,000
this other realm.
-[Josuhé] Yes, like the jaguar.
1239
00:58:02,167 --> 00:58:05,200
Like the jaguar.
This belongs in a museum.
1240
00:58:05,367 --> 00:58:06,801
This is amazing.
1241
00:58:08,901 --> 00:58:11,100
That has to be one of
the finest pieces of
1242
00:58:11,100 --> 00:58:13,267
Zoque culture
I have ever seen.
-[Arcelia] Yeah.
1243
00:58:13,434 --> 00:58:14,601
[Josuhé] Yes.
1244
00:58:14,601 --> 00:58:16,901
[Josh] This burner may be the
best preserved example
1245
00:58:17,067 --> 00:58:19,567
of its kind ever found.
1246
00:58:19,567 --> 00:58:21,701
It will no doubt sit
prominently in
1247
00:58:21,868 --> 00:58:23,167
a Mexican museum.
1248
00:58:23,167 --> 00:58:25,267
But we, and you,
are the first people
1249
00:58:25,434 --> 00:58:28,467
in over 1,300 years
to see it.
1250
00:58:28,634 --> 00:58:31,767
This and everything else in
this cave of wonders.
1251
00:58:31,767 --> 00:58:33,267
Why is all of this here,
do you think?
1252
00:58:33,434 --> 00:58:35,667
I think it has to do
with water.
1253
00:58:35,667 --> 00:58:38,067
With water.
Certainly, we have seen
1254
00:58:38,234 --> 00:58:39,901
connections with water all
along the way.
1255
00:58:40,067 --> 00:58:41,968
We've seen vessels
collecting water.
1256
00:58:42,133 --> 00:58:45,601
-We've seen this sacred tree
that is connected to water.
-Yeah.
1257
00:58:45,767 --> 00:58:48,267
-The jaguar connected to
the underworld...
-[Arcelia] Yes.
1258
00:58:48,434 --> 00:58:49,601
...which is connected to water.
1259
00:58:49,767 --> 00:58:53,000
So it does seem like there's
a link there.
1260
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,601
And the thing I can't stop
thinking about now
1261
00:58:55,767 --> 00:58:57,067
is where we are, right?
-[Arcelia] Yeah.
1262
00:58:57,234 --> 00:59:00,501
Because that tunnel that
we came through that was
1263
00:59:00,667 --> 00:59:04,467
flooded, we know that this
whole part of the cavern
1264
00:59:04,467 --> 00:59:06,968
should be inaccessible.
-Absolutely.
1265
00:59:07,133 --> 00:59:09,367
If there was any water at all,
you would not be able to
1266
00:59:09,367 --> 00:59:10,767
get down here.
-Yeah.
1267
00:59:10,934 --> 00:59:14,167
So the fact that the Zoque made
it here, the fact that
1268
00:59:14,334 --> 00:59:18,167
they were standing in this room
and all these other rooms,
1269
00:59:18,167 --> 00:59:20,968
means there was no water here.
-Exactly.
1270
00:59:21,133 --> 00:59:23,567
-This place must have been
bone-dry.
-Yeah.
1271
00:59:23,734 --> 00:59:26,367
[Josh] This means that the pots
we saw near the water line in
1272
00:59:26,534 --> 00:59:29,367
the underground river would
have originally been placed
1273
00:59:29,367 --> 00:59:31,667
someplace dry,
maybe at a time
1274
00:59:31,667 --> 00:59:34,000
when the river
wasn't here at all.
1275
00:59:34,167 --> 00:59:36,567
It must have been so dry for
them that they were able to
1276
00:59:36,734 --> 00:59:38,901
come down here again and again
and make these offerings.
1277
00:59:39,067 --> 00:59:40,033
[Arcelia] Yes.
1278
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:41,400
[Josuhé] There might have
been a drought.
1279
00:59:41,567 --> 00:59:42,467
Right.
1280
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,100
[Josh]
To the Zoque, the caves we're
walking through are
1281
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:52,000
literally the underworld.
1282
00:59:52,167 --> 00:59:54,267
Josuhé believes the Zoque
came here
1283
00:59:54,267 --> 00:59:57,167
from stricken cities like
Iglesia Vieja
1284
00:59:57,334 --> 01:00:01,167
and crawled into
death itself to beg for water.
1285
01:00:01,167 --> 01:00:03,267
So to come all that way
and leave this
1286
01:00:03,267 --> 01:00:06,567
big an offering...
-You must really need it.
1287
01:00:06,567 --> 01:00:08,901
[Josh] Yes, you must
really need it.
1288
01:00:09,067 --> 01:00:11,667
Is this the evidence of what
destroyed them right here
1289
01:00:11,834 --> 01:00:14,100
in front of us?
A lack of water?
1290
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:15,501
[Josuhé speaking]
1291
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,567
That's right, and the minute you
don't have that water,
1292
01:00:26,734 --> 01:00:29,467
forget your cities, right?
-[Josuhé] Forget everything.
1293
01:00:29,634 --> 01:00:32,167
Maybe they need to
go to the origins.
1294
01:00:32,334 --> 01:00:34,167
[Josh] Back to the jungle,
back to the canyons,
1295
01:00:34,334 --> 01:00:35,601
the rivers, the caves.
1296
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,100
[Josh] That's right.
1297
01:00:39,267 --> 01:00:43,167
And back to these powerful
deities that can hopefully
1298
01:00:43,167 --> 01:00:44,667
provide for them.
-[Arcelia] Yes.
1299
01:00:46,801 --> 01:00:48,067
[Josh] That's right.
1300
01:00:48,067 --> 01:00:50,567
You can take all your cities
and your civilization and all
1301
01:00:50,567 --> 01:00:54,100
of it, and you can kiss it
goodbye if Mother Nature
1302
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:55,167
changes the plan.
1303
01:00:55,167 --> 01:00:56,334
-[Arcelia] Yes.
-That's right.
1304
01:00:57,968 --> 01:01:00,667
[Josh] Josuhé, Arcelia,
and their colleagues will be
1305
01:01:00,834 --> 01:01:04,567
spending years examining these
caves to understand the story
1306
01:01:04,734 --> 01:01:08,000
they tell about the Zoque's
rise and fall.
1307
01:01:08,167 --> 01:01:10,501
But here, now,
this glimpse has
1308
01:01:10,667 --> 01:01:12,868
revealed more than
we ever dreamed of.
1309
01:01:14,501 --> 01:01:18,901
The caves here in Chiapas are
a distress call from the past,
1310
01:01:19,067 --> 01:01:22,200
a plea from the Zoque to
their guardian spirits to
1311
01:01:22,367 --> 01:01:25,100
preserve them
and their way of life.
1312
01:01:25,267 --> 01:01:27,968
It may seem as if those prayers
went unanswered
1313
01:01:28,133 --> 01:01:31,801
and their way of life ended,
but a funny thing happened on
1314
01:01:31,968 --> 01:01:33,400
the way to extinction.
1315
01:01:33,567 --> 01:01:36,567
During the drought that Josuhé
believes forced the Zoque out
1316
01:01:36,567 --> 01:01:39,367
of their major cities,
they moved further into
1317
01:01:39,367 --> 01:01:43,167
the mountains and adapted,
surviving in much
1318
01:01:43,167 --> 01:01:44,667
smaller communities.
1319
01:01:44,834 --> 01:01:47,200
They endured through the rise
of the Aztecs in
1320
01:01:47,367 --> 01:01:51,200
the 14th century and even after
the arrival of the Spanish in
1321
01:01:51,367 --> 01:01:54,968
the 16th, never again becoming
the urban powerhouse
1322
01:01:55,133 --> 01:01:59,501
they once were, but remaining
a distinct people and culture.
1323
01:01:59,667 --> 01:02:03,868
Their modern descendants still
reside here, the Zoque language
1324
01:02:03,868 --> 01:02:07,000
and many of their traditions
intact today.
1325
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,300
Somewhere, deep in
the underworld, even the jaguar
1326
01:02:10,467 --> 01:02:11,567
must be smiling.
99550