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It was like a puzzle trying
to put this thing together.

You know, you heard some
pretty wild stories.

For the most part, I believed

that something happened.

You know,

where there's smoke, there's a fire.

And the quantity of smoke
that had been built up

certainly suggested that there
was some fire underneath.

But we had no... Nothing really...
No facts to back that up.

Because so much of it
was he said, she said.

But in this case, it was he said, she
said, she said, she said, she said.

Father Maskell, I wanted him charged.

I wanted to see him sitting
in jail for what he had done.

And the only way for that to happen

would've been for the
prosecutor to indict him.

Sharon May, she was the
chief of the Sex Offense Unit

for the prosecutor's office.

I... I don't know why she didn't.
It was out of our hands.

I didn't know what to do.

The state's attorney...

the police...

the archdiocese...

they did nothing.

This man was, you know,
back out in a parish.

I... I felt they had no other choice
but to say yes to the lawsuit.

They asked if I
wanted to be a plaintiff,

and I said yeah.

It made me really happy

because I wanted the world to
know what horrible things he did.

And, um, I became Jane Roe in the
Doe/Roe-Maskell case in '94.

It was determined that we
would file suit against Father Maskell,

the School Sisters of Notre Dame, who
were the nuns who oversaw the school,

the archdiocese, and the
gynecologist, Christian Richter.

It was a huge, huge deal
to take on the Church in Baltimore.

It... We were up against a giant.

Somehow it got in the media

that we were investigating this thing.

And a lot of girls started
calling me and talking to me.

And they wanted us to
know there's credibility,

but they didn't want their names used.

Didn't want their families, husbands,
knowing anything's going on.

Then we started rolling from there.

We interviewed... I interviewed
over a hundred girls myself.

- Because...
- Firsthand or first on site?

- What happened...
- Firsthand?

As we were getting
into this, we had to cut it off

because, I mean, we had so many victims.

We were gonna go work on the best cases.

"Maskell had a police
officer pick me up."

"Maskell was running around with
police, put me in the car."

"Maskell pulled me into his office
and examined me on his desk."

And those were the cases that we felt
we could really do something with.

We believed them, we
had a credible case.

This is what we call a red ball case.

A red ball case is any case that's
gonna cause national media attention.

You have to work with
the state's attorneys.

So, we were taking it directly to...

Sharon May's office. To Sharon May.

My... My concern with
this is I'm still stuck

on why didn't the state's
attorney's office charge Maskell?

You say you had a hundred
women coming in in '94

with complaints that they were...

That they knew of or that they
were involved with sexual abuse.

I'm telling you, Sharon
May ran interference for the Church

any time we got a priest case.

- She just killed it, then.
- She'd kill it.

From what I understand after
our meeting, our source, Deep Throat,

shared with us that he knows

almost a hundred women came forward,

and that they all came
to the police department

and at the very same time,

Joseph Maskell was still
performing the Sacraments

at St. Augustine's in Elkridge.

August, 1994...

Beverly Wallace and I... went to church.

A nice suburban couple at church.

Maskell delivered Mass,
and he had a voice

that was very soothing and very calming.

Even knowing what I knew about him,
I found his voice very reassuring.

Bob and I discussed when we left

how we thought if you had
gone to Father Maskell

and were upset or rattled,

that would be a welcome
voice to talk to you.

That's terrifying.

I met Joe Maskell

at Hopkins University.

And I think it was
somewhere around 1982.

The time that I met him, I was in
charge of the counseling program.

I was a professor there...

and they had a program that trained
school and community counselors.

And he came into that
program as a student.

So, I remembered him
because of two things.

One, he was a priest,

and the other that he
was extremely bright.

Joe wrote like few students can write,

and his speech was wonderful,

so, he was just extremely
good as a student.

I saw him as both a colleague and
later on, actually, as a friend.

The things that I thought were
unusual, but I understood, he...

He liked guns and he...
He told me that,

and he had a collection
of them, I think.

So, I thought he might be interested
in playing cops and robbers.

I didn't know him.

I never questioned that
very much, but I thought...

well, if that was his
thing, that was his thing.

I also remember visiting
him once when he was...

I was supposed to visit
him at a certain time

and he said he was busy in a cemetery,
he was digging in a cemetery.

He said it's a very old
cemetery and it was unkept.

It was not kept very well.

And besides, he had to bury some
psychological papers there.

I did not question that overtly to him,

but it sounded strange to me.

Eject button.

I guess maybe this is my eject button.

We could be the last generation
who knows how these work.

All right.

So, this is the day
after the cemetery dig.

City and county police are teaming
to investigate the murder of a nun

more than 20 years ago.

Police dug up a box of records
buried at the Holy Cross Cemetery

after an employee told them Reverend
Maskell ordered the documents buried.

We get this anonymous thing.

Well, the guy turned out to be this guy
named Storey. Mr. Storey calls up.

He says, "Know where the
farmers' market parking lot is?

Be there at midnight. Come alone.

I got information that'll
blow this case wide open."

So, we go down there on the parking lot.

When he gets in the car and says,
"Start driving." So we do.

We start driving.

And we get to Holy Cross Cemetery.

Oh, it's dark as hell. It's midnight.

He goes, "Go to the back."

"I wanna tell you where I buried
the stuff from Father Maskell."

Well, we got a call
from the caretaker...

that the cops are down there,
digging up the records.

So, we hopped in the car
and sailed down there...

and where they were digging was
in the back of the cemetery.

Like, coming over the brow of a hill.
Like over a hill and they were...

They are, down at the bottom,

putting these black trash bags
full of records into a van.

"The papers exhumed yesterday were
buried in the cemetery in 1990

at the direction of Father Maskell.

Baltimore Assistant State's
Attorney Sharon A.H. May,

head of the city Sex Abuse Unit,

directed yesterday's excavation, but
declined comment on the operation."

One of the boxes that I
saw had girls with their shirts open,

exposing their breasts.

And there was records in
there talking about...

this individual girl, like a profile.

Clearly in high school.

So, that's a lot of boxes.

And they're in plastic bags.

And that's typical pedophile.

A pedophile cannot separate
with his collection.

He can't do it. Even though he knows he
can't get to it, he knows it's there.

You saw pictures yourself, correct?

I saw pictures myself, yes, I did.

Enough to arrest Maskell?

We could've
done it right then and there.

But what I'm saying is... every damn
time we had a case involving a priest,

Sharon May ran interference
for the Church.

The division chief of
the Sex Offense Unit.

- She ran interference.
- How did she run interference?

Ask for a warrant. "I'll
have to look at it right now.

If you got information,

and you don't get it within
the first 48, it's gone.

The red tape.

It's gone.

So, we went to the cemetery...

and as it turned out, it
was a bright sunny day

and I had recently bought
a red convertible,

so, I rode there with
my top down, you know,

'cause this is just... I
mean, we were gonna find

such great evidence, okay?

So, I was pumped up for that.

And we got there and, you
know, they were digging.

And I'm just waiting as they pull
all this stuff out of this hole.

And it was wet, it had to be
dried out, um, you know, and...

And sorted through,

but to my recollection,

there was nothing found
that went right to,

"Oh, Maskell molested these kids."

We've heard of one source who says

that they saw pornographic material
of teenage girls in there.

You're saying no?

I don't have any recollection that
we found pornographic material.

Maybe we did, I just
don't remember that.

The version that we've heard

is not that it's, like,
produced pornographic material,

- they were photographs. Original...
- That it was like magazines

- or some things were...
- No, like actual photographs.

- Oh, photographs?
- Yeah.

Oh, no.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

I know I would remember photographs.

No. There were no photographs. Mm-mm.

In 1990, I was chief of
the Sex Offense Division.

I handled the TNT cases.

Ones where you wouldn't
want to be very open

about the investigation until
you had something solid.

Assuming you ever got something solid.

We've heard supposedly that
30 to a hundred people came forward

in the Maskell case.

Would you have yourself
heard those statements?

I don't remember the number.

I know there were quite a few,
but it's been a little while,

and of course, at this point, I
don't have files or anything.

Um, the fact that we had a
number of victims come forward

was enough to make us
look at the situation,

but prosecutors have a
very specific obligation

in terms of their conduct.

All lawyers do.

Every case has to stand
on its own merit.

So, if I charge the case
with respect to Mary Smith

and what happened to her,

I cannot, as part of my case in chief,

bring in Betty Jones and Arthur Robinson

to say he's guilty as
to the victim charge

because he also did something to
these other people allegedly.

You can't do it.

I remember one incident where,

you know, we have a subpoena
to get Maskell's records.

So, we went to his office space.

There was a secretary
connected with the church.

Um, she let us know

that Maskell had taken all the
stuff out and things were gone.

Now, did somebody tip Maskell off or...?
You know, I don't know.

But he wasn't there.

And remember, too, the
Catholic Church isn't stupid.

They had a lot of things
that they could do.

They could move him, they could
give him little sabbaticals.

He was apparently hospitalized.

And given the nature of the facility,

that wasn't some place that
we would have access to him.

Maskell was... I guess the
best word is elusive.

Did you feel like Maskell
was guilty of child sex abuse

even if you couldn't prosecute him?

I didn't disbelieve the victims,

but I just didn't have
enough to go forward.

So... you know, maybe in the
deep recesses of my mind,

yeah.

He did it, you know.

And then why else did the
Church move him around,

why else was he unavailable,

why else did he get rid of his records?

But if all you have is the
statement of the victim,

that isn't enough.

And so as painful as it may be...

that case perhaps does
not get prosecuted.

There's an off-the-record
sex crimes detective

who goes under the name Deep Throat

who claims, uh, that the
state's attorney's office

ran interference in favor of
the Church in these cases,

and what would your response to that be?

I was not one to be intimidated, okay?

If an allegation is made,
the investigation was done.

I never experienced any pressure

from the Catholic Church
not to investigate.

I didn't always get, necessarily,
the level of cooperation

that I would've liked.

I wasn't and still am not Catholic,

so, I didn't have any issues that,
you know, challenged my faith

or upset my idea of right and wrong.

No. You know, no.

The allegation was made, I looked at it.

If I had had the goods,
it got charged, okay?

That's as straightforward as I can be.

I don't care what Deep Throat says.

Somebody's not telling it like it was.

Sharon May, she said, "We found
no incriminating photos,

and we found no problem with the
files that were in the box."

Deep Throat says, "I
looked at girls, nude.

I saw photos of girls
with their tops off.

I saw it with my own damn eyes."

Somebody's lying for sure.

This is Eyewitness News.

With Don Scott.

Best be advised.

Why don't you
fast-forward it some more?

Not doing... Usually, you can hear
it go:

- I hear it now.
- It's very... Yeah.

Hit play.

No, you gotta stop it and then
play or it'll snap the old tape.

All right.

Oh, there's...

Here...

- To suggest...
- That's that old doctor.

- I'm totally innocent of anything
- That's...

that they're accusing me of. That's it.

- Did you know Maskell...?

Dr. Richter was

the gynecologist where Maskell
took me on several occasions.

When I went to the gynecologist
and I got on the table,

they had the stirrups.

And I remembered trying to put
my legs through the stirrup

because I didn't know how
to get on the table, and...

Then Maskell was more than eager to
show me how to get on the table.

Maskell raped me.

And Dr. Richter was, like, at the top
of the table, um, feeling my breast.

Richter said, "He really
must love you to be in here,

with us."

I interviewed the doctor
that Maskell sent some...

I'm not sure how many girls
to him for examination.

The doctor admitted to me he allowed
Maskell to remain in the room.

As a woman, I was appalled at Dr.
Richter's involvement.

He made a statement...
With a chuckle, said,

as a priest, it was his only opportunity
to see a woman in that position.

That comment incensed me.

That was clearly a violation
of medical ethics.

But because he was a
priest and a friend...

You know, there was apparently a lot
of that kind of stuff going on.

Dr. Richter denies the charges.

I'm totally innocent of anything
they're accusing me of. That's it.

Did you know Father Maskell?

Twenty-five years ago, that's all.

Okay. Da-da-da-da-da.

It takes months to maybe years,
sometimes, between filing a case

and actually getting
it into a courtroom.

First thing I knew of it was there
had been a little bit of coverage

about a case, but I didn't
really know details.

They just talked about
Jane Doe and Jane Roe

and the abuse at Keough that had
happened in the early '70s.

I used to read the articles in
the paper when they first came out.

I wondered a lot about who Jane Doe was.

Is it someone I knew?

Did they have a worse
experience than me?

The anonymous Jane Doe and Jane Roe

claim the abuser was Father Joseph
Maskell, a counselor at the school.

We started the civil lawsuit
as Jane Doe and myself, Jane Roe.

I mean, there's a lot of people that...

That go berserk when they feel
like they're being attacked.

And a lot of people thought that
they were being attacked personally

by this priest being
brought out to the open.

I was afraid for my family.

They were ridiculed,
they were not believed.

I can even remember adults
in my own family talking

of how terrible those girls
were for saying that.

So, how am I gonna come
out and talk when I...

I'm hearing this from my own family?

I was certainly not one

that would come forward at that time.

I did a complete media blackout.

I stopped reading newspaper.

I stopped watching the television.

I felt really guilty, but I felt
so self-protective, you know,

that I just didn't want anybody
to touch my happy little life.

Jane Doe.

I never met Jane Doe, still I
haven't met her to this day,

but with someone else saying
things that Maskell did,

I was strong enough to come
forward and to go into court.

Jane Roe...

I made a point not to meet her. I
made a point not to talk to her.

I was remembering things,

and I was very aware that
I did not want anyone

and their memories to get in the
way of what I was remembering.

Before the case in '94...

we had depositions,

and the Church lawyers, they
asked me questions for six days.

The depositions were...

I'm sure, what people would say...
necessary.

But the experience that I had in
these depositions by these lawyers

was... devastating.

They were questions
designed to beat me down.

What I did with my
high school boyfriend.

Whether I was sexually active.

It's very, very hard for an abuse victim
to go through those kind of questions.

The kinds of questions,
the intensity of the questions,

the continuation of the questions of
answers that I had already given...

And then to start feeling stupid.

Because I couldn't say it in any
other way than, um, at that...

I can only say what I have remembered.

I couldn't give them any answer
that would make them satisfied.

And it's like being back
in the room with Maskell.

I couldn't do that exact thing

that would finally get
me the forgiveness

that I had gone into the
confessional looking for.

And here I am, sitting in this
room, with a wall of lawyers,

and I can't seem to give them
what they were pressing me for.

They agreed to let Mike sit in...

but he had to sit behind me.

And if he opened his mouth,
he would have to leave.

And Mike knew if he left, I left.

So, he sat behind me, and you
could feel like it was a lion,

and I just was waiting for
him to go over my head

and grab one of these
guys by the throat.

We wanted to depose Father Maskell...

but... he disappeared.

He was taken out of his church,
but we weren't sure where he was.

I just know that after the night
Bob Erlandson and I went to Mass,

I never saw him again.

Somebody called me and said,
"Joe, he wasn't doing well."

The question was, "Can you go see him?

Not as a psychologist, but as a friend?"

I did go down to the rectory
where he was being housed.

He looked sick.

He was reading these papers that
were accusing him of priest's abuse.

The acts that were described
on the papers were...

I was in shock.

I couldn't understand how anybody who
was religious could do those things.

This was atypical of my
friend Joe, as I knew Joe.

I remember asking him directly, "Joe,
how could you do these things?

How could you keep your
silence with this?

How could you?"

He didn't answer and I said,
"Do you think it's moral?"

He told me that he thought it was moral

because he was protecting
the Church at the time.

I think the worst moral thing for Joe

would have been to get the
Church in some kind of problem.

And that was the turning point for me.

He was a very manipulative guy.

Maskell's attorney,

a man named Michael Lehane,
was a friend of his.

And when we would ask
him where Maskell was,

um, his response was that he
had... He was living in Ireland.

We have no idea what
he was doing in Ireland,

whether or not he was working in
some sort of religious facility,

whether he had access to children there.

That's all a bit of a mystery.

Today, in Baltimore,
a pretrial hearing begins

in the case against
Father Joseph Maskell.

The new memories are really key here.

That's because the statute of
limitations on alleged assaults

that occurred more than 20 years
ago has long since expired.

But if the judge accepts that the
women only recently remembered

other instances of abuse,

he could clear the way for
the case to go to trial.

I think this was the first time

anybody in Maryland delved
into recovered memories.

The concept of recovered memories

came out in the '80s and
were generally accepted.

I think at the time we
filed our suit in '94,

28 states had ruled
they were gonna allow

recovered memory cases to go forward

and only three states or something
in that neighborhood had said no.

However, in the '90s, there
became a certain skepticism...

What you're seeing is a
therapy session of a young girl

who remembered a gang rape.

The only problem is they
never really happened.

She says these memories were
pure figments of her imagination

that her therapist helped her create.

This past decade has seen

a skyrocketing number of
molestation claims.

Adult children holding the false

belief that horrible sexual abuse

occurred to them as children.

You know, somebody
may go to a therapist and say,

"I have trouble with
interpersonal relationships."

They'll go, "Maybe you were abused,"

and so you start planting
suggestive seeds, and then you...

You fabricate an entire fact pattern

to fit something that has no...
veracity at all.

And that hurt those people
who really did have a memory

that they had repressed
and then recovered.

Two decades ago, a former chaplain
at Archbishop Keough High School,

stands accused, but as
John Riddell reports,

today's hearing rekindled a
debate over repressed memory.

Today a psychiatrist
testified that one of the women

suffers from posttraumatic
stress disorder.

It is a medical condition in
which painful memories of abuse

are suppressed for years.

Jane Doe...

her lawyers wrote and asked
me to consult with her.

You have to say, is this person
credible or not credible?

I did interview her, talked to her.

And I believed her.

There are things that
have the ring of truth,

even if they're hard to believe.

And, uh... she was believable to me.

Thanks, heaps.

The defense, they
brought in Paul McHugh,

who is a heavy hitter to
bring into a courtroom.

Can you hear me, by the way?

Is my voice, uh, carrying?

My voice, my mother used
to say, shatters glass.

So, usually...

I mean... And he is a
giant in the field.

In this arena, uh, of the
false memory phenomenon

and the false memory syndrome, and
the recovered memory business,

I believe... firmly, that
these are artifacts,

these are artificial productions.

And it's very important that we, uh...
we don't equivocate on this matter.

Paul McHugh is
always on the Church side.

He... He is a professional Catholic.

He's a man of high reputation.

And he gets picked as Mister
Catholic Psychiatrist.

I was on the staff of
Hopkins at that time.

Yeah, we were colleagues.

He asked me specifically about
the case with Jane Doe...

and what I thought.

Part of all of the controversy
around sexual abuse of minors...

has to do with the
understanding of trauma.

Some things we experience are
so unbearable and so painful,

that we shut them out.

The major systems for
protection of the self,

the hypothalamic pituitary
adrenal fight-flight response,

the vagal response, to
play dead, to dissociate,

to be, um... unaware of something,

they'll come right into play.

In order to pro... protect
the self from harm.

Naturally, we know so
much more about this

because of men and women
coming home from war

and being traumatized and, uh...

We have all sorts of knowledge now
about how the person handles those,

how the brain handles those.

So, I told McHugh that, yes,
I... I believed her story.

And he dismissed the whole thing...

because he dismissed what
he called false memory,

and he felt that that was all...

made up.

In my mind he has a blind spot,

and I will say that
with all due deference

when you're criticizing
somebody who's that powerful.

The defense, they never had
an expert actually examine our clients.

Dr. McHugh, he just basically
poo-pooed the whole idea

of repressed memory and
recovering memories.

Somebody is always saying, "Well,
you haven't seen everybody."

I say, "No, I haven't seen everybody."

But then again, I haven't been at
the upper tributaries of the Amazon

where there may be a unicorn after all.

Uh, there may be one out there.

It's been a real
battle of the experts today

on the case of repressed memory.

And now, the judge will hear testimony
from the alleged victims themselves.

Going to court for the hearing
was, um, terrifying for me.

I knew it was gonna be open court.

My husband Randy had one arm and
my brother Mark had the other arm,

and they would escort me
into the courthouse to...

To make me feel safe.

The feeling that I had when
I walked into that courtroom...

I was ready to be devoured.

There is really no demonstrated
scientific validity

- to the theory of repressed memory.
- Whether an event occurred,

whether an individual's description
of that event is reliable...

Each and every one of those witnesses
will be subjected to investigation

and rigorous cross-examination.

The credibility of their story
will be very much an issue.

I was scared of the
lawyers at that point.

I couldn't even look at them.

And my lawyers decided

that I would just look at the judge

and not look at the lawyers
as they questioned me.

It was, like, so many
thoughts going through my head...

but I just took the stand
and... And they questioned me.

And one of the lawyers said, "I
request that this plaintiff looks at me

while I'm asking her questions."

It felt as if at some point...

that terrible terror of doing this...

s... turned into something else.

I just turned, I stared
him right in the eyes.

It was this feeling of...

"Go ahead, ask me your questions."

It was very brutal.

They asked about the actual sexual acts.

I mean, after a while, I got to the
point where, "I don't give a damn.

You ask me anything you
want because this happened,

and now the world's hearing
it and that's a good thing."

Mike said to me later, he was
in, like, the front row.

And later... That's all
he said to people.

He said, "I was so proud of her
when she just turned her head

and looked right at him, like,
"Go on, ask me your questions."

And probably inside what I
was really thinking is,

"Let's get this over with 'cause
I gotta get out of here."

You know? I mean, it's, like...

But it was that feeling,
like, "I can do this."

According to Jane Doe,
who testified yesterday,

not only was she raped by Maskell,
she also recalled an incident

when Maskell allegedly took her to
see the body of Sister Cathy Cesnik,

a nun, whom she said she confided in and
whose murder remains unsolved today.

Now, police did interview that woman
about the murder of Sister Cathy Cesnik

and they believe that she is not
connected in any way to the murder.

They do not believe that what
she saw really was the body.

So, that crime really remains unsolved.

However, the sexual abuse suits
against the archdiocese...

The top one is my credentials.

My badge.

Here's my retirement.

Summation on my 38 years in
Baltimore County Police.

Came on in 1955 and then retired in '92.

When the rumors started
circulating in the 1990s

about the sexual abuse at Keough,

what was your personal reaction to that?

I find it hard to believe.

In our society, they go
for the deep pockets.

And once you open the door,
a flood could come in.

I would say, prove it to me.

Not...

Not with recalled memory.

With facts.

Beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Did you ever have the opportunity

to talk with Maskell after it happened?

After she was murdered?

- No.
- Like, guy-to-guy?

Would you say you had
a good relationship?

- I would say so.
- Yeah.

I was just curious
'cause he seemed to be

so involved with the
police all the time.

He had a brother
with the police department.

- Right.
- Yeah.

When Cathy's body was found...

James Scannell was the first
officer on the scene.

I don't really think he sees any
connection between Cathy's death

and the abuse at Keough.

Plus, he was a personal
friend of Maskell's.

So, he clearly saw a
different side of the man...

- Mm-hm.
- ...than others did.

Joe Maskell.

He was a friend and fellow officer.

He was the chaplain of Baltimore
County, state police,

and the Air National Guard.

Yeah.

He used to come in ride-alongs.

He used to come down and I'd let
him shoot when I was working.

We'd have a little target practice.

I know he...

He had a friend in Dundalk.

He went out on a boat with him.

In fact, I fished with him
on a couple occasions.

So, when he has only good
things to say about Maskell,

I think, "Was Maskell able to have
such a dual-sided personality

that he could consistently
flip to be charming?"

Or this guy must have seen
the other side of him.

He wasn't... He wasn't a typical...

you know, saint.

I know if I got in a fight...

and he was riding with me as a
chaplain, he'd be there by my side.

And, uh...

That's the type of individual he was.

He's a priest, but I think he really
wanted to be a police like his brother.

He was just like...

any other member of the
police force to me.

Maybe he was a good guy
and had nothing to do with this.

They had some beers,
went out and fished.

And that was the extent of it.

Um... I don't... I don't know.

I don't think his name ever come up...

until all that recalled
memory come about.

And, uh... that's when Maskell's name...

That's when I started
getting inquiries...

about Sister Cesnik.

But, you know, I... I tried
to be objective on...

I think like a police.

If I thought it was him...

he wouldn't have been walking free.

Because... I would've did
what I was supposed to do.

At the time we filed our suit,

Archbishop Keeler was up
to become a cardinal.

And we used to say this could interfere
with Keeler getting his red hat.

This was real bad timing for him.

Catholic bishops from across the
country are meeting in Washington.

They're talking some explosive
issues like pedophile priests.

The bishops' committee has recommended
the needs of victims should come first.

Abuse victims are pleased
with the statement,

but say the Catholic Church is notorious
for saying one thing and doing another.

The pope was supposed to come to town.

And I thought it was really
neat that our hearing came up

right in the spring there,

and that, um, people were interested.

People wanted to know
what this was about.

I wanted to blow this thing wide
open and say this has got to stop.

Today in Baltimore, Judge
Hilary Caplan is expected to rule

in the Jane Doe lawsuit against
Father Joseph Maskell.

When... When we filed our lawsuit,
we felt like if we could get to...

If we could get our case to a
jury and we could march in

witness after witness after witness
after witness after witness,

that we had a very good chance
of having a favorable result.

And we never got there.

Their request to file a $40
million civil suit has been denied.

Judge Hilary Caplan ruled the
case did not meet criteria

for waiving the three-year statute
of limitations for such suits.

So, I think we have, um,

the two plaintiffs who are
very confused, very disturbed,

and who have brought this action, um,

not out of malice, but, uh,
out of confusion, distortion.

And, uh, I think it's appropriate
for the court to dismiss this case

under the circumstances.

But how can one reasonably expect a
witness in a... a case of this type

to testify to events that took place
20 to 25 years ago with accuracy?

We never got our day in court.

Losing on the statute of
limitations was a technicality

that the Church ran with and
got this thing thrown out.

The judge at the time said, "Let
the chips fall where they may,

but the statute holds and
these women came too late."

The Archdiocese and the
Catholic Church are a business.

It was all about making these
women who were damaged

look... uncredible.

Archbishop Keeler got his red hat.

They're still down on Cathedral Street.

Life goes on.

It's just that we now know
so much more about memory.

It's scientifically accepted that
memories can be compartmentalized

and... And not known
to the conscious ego.

I think Jane Doe was a
victim of bad timing.

And Paul McHugh, or any of us,

who used our blind spots in
the judgments of others...

can certainly do harm.

I felt like I wish
I had never done that.

Because everything that
I originally thought

when I took the first step,
now I've lost everything.

I lost my faith.

I lost a sense of where I belonged.

And my family, it was like
they were excommunicated.

You know, as if it were like...

someone cut a cord.

I felt that the Church was saying

that I should never have
opened my damn mouth,

that I was supposed to keep the secret,

that I was supposed to stay silent.

And that's what I did...

until now...

20-some years later.

- Hi. How are you?
- Hello, dear. Good to see you.

Good. You, too.

So, the reunion was fun.

We had the Archbishop
Keough 45th Reunion.

Oh, I didn't go to that one, yeah.

On Saturday.

You said you talked to
a couple survivors?

- Yup.
- That you knew or they...?

- That we know. Yeah, that we know.
- Okay.

Statistics say only
three to five percent

of abuse victims will ever talk of it.

They're more likely to talk
of it as they get older...

That many in their 40s

begin to have more psychological
difficulties ignoring it.

So, we don't know...

how many students in total he
had inappropriate contact with.

Um, we know the amount... The
number that have come forward.

We're sure there are more out there.
But they are still coming forward.

People are hearing
through alumni meetings

and applying to join the
Facebook group and reaching out.

They're not looking at this
through a child's eyes anymore.

- They have wisdom, experience, families...
- Yeah.

...grandchildren, and they're like...

They... They want their life back.

In September of 2013, people
wanted to talk about it more.

Victims wanted to talk to each other,

people who didn't know wanted
to find out what had happened.

So, we started the Justice for Catherine
Cesnik and Joyce Malecki page.

And it just sort of snowballed.

The Facebook movement
is a very grassroots movement

that is led by some very strong women

doing their own detective work,

doing the work that the
police should have done.

In 1994, Jane Doe and Jane Roe...

I saw how they were shut down
by everybody of authority.

It's been so many years since that...

Gemma and Abbie, they
started that Facebook page

and I think they got, uh...

They got more than they
bargained for, I think.

It's not just the investigation.

It's become a network for
a lot of abuse survivors.

Where before, everybody
was separated and afraid,

people are now talking together.

And where something may have
seemed insignificant at the time,

um, has relevance now.

I think it's very telling to
see retired Keough grads in their 60s,

a bunch of women getting
together to try to solve this.

Where... Where everyone else has
failed us, they failed Sister Cathy.

I want justice for all of this.

Teresa Lancaster came forward
on our Facebook page of survivors

and said, "I'm Jane Roe."

And the reaction she got was like...

It brought tears to my eyes
because all her friends

just wrote, like, one-liners,
like, "We had no idea."

"Thank you for finding us."
It just was overwhelming.

After my lawsuit,

I wanted to prove to myself
that I did have a brain

and that I could do
something with my life.

So, I went back to school.

I made a little study
for her down in the basement.

There was a bed in there also.

When it was before a big test, she
would stay down there all night long

and finally crawl into that bed and
go to sleep maybe six in the morning.

It was very impressive for someone
to take courses that hard

while she was raising four
kids, cooking them dinner,

tucking them in at night.

In your middle or late 40s,
that's not an easy thing to do.

I became a lawyer when I was 49.

Teresa wasn't doing all
this to make a lot of money.

She was doing all this to
help people that needed help.

...peacefully.

This is a much more aggressive tactic
than the police used last night.

And you can see one person, she...

She engaged in this civil
disobedience because it was...

Over the past week, there's
been protests going on in Baltimore

to try to get to the bottom of how
Freddie Gray was indeed murdered

when he was taken by the police.

Your neck just doesn't break by itself.

I've lived in Baltimore all my life.

I remember the riots of 1968.

And still, there is no change.

...the result of something
that would constitute a crime,

then the people who did that...

Last year, I represented
a young black boy

who was just shuffling his
pockets around on the corner

and he got arrested for drugs.

I realized that there's a lot of
people in the police department

that are good and are laying
their lives on the line,

and I very much thank them for that.

But all he had in his
pocket was some change.

I did get that thrown
out, but I told him,

you have to stay off the
corners in Baltimore

and not look suspicious.

And... And how do you explain
that to a young... a young boy,

not to look suspicious, you know?
It's just really not fair at all.

We're tired of this.

We're tired of the brutalities.

We're tired of the pains.
We are tired of the lies.

We want the truth.

Y'all don't understand? Y'all don't
hear our voice? We are tired.

Where is the justice?

See, I didn't know who Jane
Doe was before this past year.

I have not spent time with her.

She is not one to seek the spotlight.

I don't think she would
be really comfortable...

spearheading a movement to...
to find Sister Cathy's killer.

But Jane is the link
between Joseph Maskell,

the abuse at Keough, and
Cathy Cesnik's murder.

This is really her story.

When the Facebook group
started, when the two ladies decided

they were just going to
start a conversation

about the death of Cathy Cesnik...

I waited.

Back in 1992, '93, I was using my voice
and I thought it was going somewhere.

And instead, they silenced it.

I've never been a part of the
Justice for Cathy Facebook group.

Even though it's a positive,
legitimizing community,

I'm actually very scared to
be in that conversation.

Because I don't remember a whole
lot about the other classmates.

I'm afraid someone will remember

something about me
that I don't remember.

And there's an awful lot
that I still don't remember.

You know, when you go
back to that question:

"Why didn't you tell somebody?"

I probably have beaten myself up on
some level for a very long time...

that I didn't.

I never wanted to look at what I did
when I was 16, 17 in the senior year.

I never wanted to look at what
I did after Cathy was killed.

I often wonder what was Maskell doing
that he would let me leave that school

and believe that I would
never say anything?

That... That wasn't just...
I repressed it.

I think some of it was purposely done.

There is one memory I can't look at.

One person I don't wanna
go anywhere near.

Brother Bob was a man who had
been in the room before.

He was the one that Maskell needed
to keep... Keep reining him in.

So Maskell leaves the room.

My protector standing
by the door was gone.

And Brother Bob, he proceeds
to tell me that, um...

That he killed Cathy Cesnik,

that he didn't want to.

But she was gonna go to the police.

And he tells me it's my
fault that she is dead,

that she was the good person, I was not.

And it should've been me.

And, so, then he rapes
me and Maskell comes in.

Then he says to Brother Bob,
"Well, did you take care of it?

Is she going to stay quiet?"

And he says, "Yes, she's not
gonna tell anybody anything."

And to this day, I'm more
terrified of Brother Bob

than I have ever been of Joseph Maskell,

because I don't know who
this Brother Bob is.

I don't remember the man's face.

And I have no idea if he's
still out there and alive.

The mystery of Brother Bob looms large.

I do believe she...

She knows more than she might
even know she knows herself.

Who killed Sister Cathy?

Why Sister Cathy was killed.

The key to the puzzle
could be in the question:

"Who is Brother Bob?"

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