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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:23,424 --> 00:00:25,759 - Hey Laszlo this is Vilmos. 2 00:00:27,661 --> 00:00:30,998 * Happy birthday to you 3 00:00:32,166 --> 00:00:35,503 * Happy birthday to you 4 00:00:36,437 --> 00:00:40,108 * Happy birthday dear Laszlo 5 00:00:41,575 --> 00:00:44,912 * Happy birthday to you 6 00:00:51,319 --> 00:00:54,222 - Hey Julie Christie called to wish you happy birthday 7 00:00:54,222 --> 00:00:56,957 so I'm telling you okay, alright. 8 00:00:57,858 --> 00:01:00,027 - And Sandra Bullock also. 9 00:01:02,830 --> 00:01:05,833 Also Peter Fonda, and Dennis Hopper. 10 00:01:08,336 --> 00:01:10,804 Who, no Dennis Hopper? 11 00:01:17,545 --> 00:01:20,548 - I remember there was a party sequence at the house 12 00:01:20,548 --> 00:01:24,552 where I come down on a cable down into the party 13 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:27,621 to arrive at the party and it's just a shot 14 00:01:27,621 --> 00:01:31,792 in the picture which becomes part of the action later. 15 00:01:36,597 --> 00:01:41,001 - In Five Easy Pieces I said I don't want the camera ever 16 00:01:41,001 --> 00:01:43,271 to move when it's outdoors. 17 00:01:44,672 --> 00:01:47,808 It was a still picture and then you 18 00:01:47,808 --> 00:01:50,010 would cut to another shot over here 19 00:01:50,010 --> 00:01:53,747 and he'd get up and walk into that frame. 20 00:01:53,747 --> 00:01:55,649 Only for the exteriors. 21 00:01:56,984 --> 00:02:00,721 For the interiors everything was in movement. 22 00:02:00,721 --> 00:02:02,490 One point in turned to Laszlo I said 23 00:02:02,490 --> 00:02:04,392 you move the camera and I see you do it, 24 00:02:04,392 --> 00:02:05,893 you lose a finger. 25 00:02:06,927 --> 00:02:09,663 And no he didn't appreciate that. 26 00:02:13,267 --> 00:02:17,405 - You think about movies like Close Encounters 27 00:02:17,405 --> 00:02:20,073 and you think about that light 28 00:02:20,073 --> 00:02:21,775 coming out of that space ship. 29 00:02:24,778 --> 00:02:26,447 I mean sure everybody goes oh yeah 30 00:02:26,447 --> 00:02:28,182 of course there's light coming out of a space ship 31 00:02:28,182 --> 00:02:31,852 and of course the aliens came off the space ship. 32 00:02:31,852 --> 00:02:36,089 But you think about the way that it impressed you, 33 00:02:36,089 --> 00:02:39,527 I believe now and always there are aliens 34 00:02:41,795 --> 00:02:45,165 and there are space ships and that's what they look like. 35 00:02:50,738 --> 00:02:54,208 - I thought if we shot it in color it would be, 36 00:02:54,208 --> 00:02:55,943 everybody'd look to pretty, everything would look 37 00:02:55,943 --> 00:02:57,645 to pretty and I didn't think we'd be able 38 00:02:57,645 --> 00:03:00,581 to achieve the depression very well. 39 00:03:00,581 --> 00:03:03,484 And I said look I want everything sharp, 40 00:03:03,484 --> 00:03:07,688 everything sharp from here see those kids 41 00:03:07,688 --> 00:03:10,924 in the yard way back there I want them sharp. 42 00:03:10,924 --> 00:03:12,993 And we used filters a lot of the time, 43 00:03:12,993 --> 00:03:17,331 green or red filters to strengthen the contrast. 44 00:03:21,802 --> 00:03:25,205 - And I can remember when deliverance came to town. 45 00:03:25,205 --> 00:03:27,975 My mother actually let me go see deliverance 46 00:03:27,975 --> 00:03:30,711 and it struck me about the colors 47 00:03:32,212 --> 00:03:36,384 and the way the blues and greens played within that film. 48 00:03:41,555 --> 00:03:44,057 - The thing that was unique about Long Goodbye 49 00:03:44,057 --> 00:03:48,262 as far as Bob's and Vilmos's relationship was 50 00:03:48,262 --> 00:03:50,498 that they decided they would always move the camera. 51 00:03:50,498 --> 00:03:52,466 * Do you recognize the theme 52 00:03:57,037 --> 00:03:58,306 I'm gonna go over there and tell those girls 53 00:03:58,306 --> 00:04:00,841 they're gonna catch a cold. 54 00:04:00,841 --> 00:04:03,811 Or as the grand cat goes, meow. 55 00:04:03,811 --> 00:04:05,245 - I knew the name after awhile, 56 00:04:05,245 --> 00:04:06,714 after I was in the business for awhile. 57 00:04:06,714 --> 00:04:09,182 But not until we were actually looking for DP's 58 00:04:09,182 --> 00:04:11,885 did I go back and say who did this film? 59 00:04:11,885 --> 00:04:13,421 Who did this film, and who did this film? 60 00:04:13,421 --> 00:04:17,124 And I realized two out of the three were Laszlo. 61 00:04:17,124 --> 00:04:20,461 It was Easy Rider and it was Paper Moon. 62 00:04:21,895 --> 00:04:23,464 - And I remember we used to go to these mountain locations. 63 00:04:23,464 --> 00:04:27,368 It would be John Boorman and Vilmos, and it was me too. 64 00:04:27,368 --> 00:04:29,370 And we'd climb up in to these mountain areas 65 00:04:29,370 --> 00:04:31,472 and the light would just be starting 66 00:04:31,472 --> 00:04:34,308 to come up over the mountains and Vilmos would say, 67 00:04:34,308 --> 00:04:36,410 and he would say this almost every day. 68 00:04:36,410 --> 00:04:39,012 Why we are not shooting? 69 00:04:39,012 --> 00:04:41,749 - I've seen 1000 pictures shot in Los Angeles, 70 00:04:41,749 --> 00:04:43,584 and 1000 pictures shot in Chicago, 71 00:04:43,584 --> 00:04:47,488 and they all look alike to me, but when Laszlo shoots 72 00:04:47,488 --> 00:04:50,123 they look like Chicago and Los Angeles. 73 00:04:56,964 --> 00:05:01,068 - My mother had a girlfriend who was running a little 74 00:05:02,670 --> 00:05:06,006 corner store and also the weekend cinema 75 00:05:08,642 --> 00:05:13,347 which was consisted in a school, the auditorium. 76 00:05:13,347 --> 00:05:16,917 My job was to spread the flyers out, 77 00:05:16,917 --> 00:05:19,620 you know what the next program is going to be, 78 00:05:19,620 --> 00:05:23,090 and my mother said that I can come in free. 79 00:05:23,090 --> 00:05:26,226 I was about 11 or 12 years old. 80 00:05:26,226 --> 00:05:29,029 I didn't know much about the world. 81 00:05:29,029 --> 00:05:33,501 It was just a little village, a very simple education. 82 00:05:33,501 --> 00:05:36,003 I was sitting in the very front row 83 00:05:36,003 --> 00:05:40,073 and I could hardly wait until the light goes down 84 00:05:40,073 --> 00:05:42,710 and suddenly you see that rectangular 85 00:05:42,710 --> 00:05:45,379 and something is whirling there. 86 00:05:45,379 --> 00:05:47,681 I took a deep breath always. 87 00:05:47,681 --> 00:05:50,083 Now I'm gonna see the world through this 88 00:05:50,083 --> 00:05:53,353 rectangular frame I can see everywhere. 89 00:05:54,722 --> 00:05:57,391 - I remember that we were living under the communist system 90 00:05:57,391 --> 00:06:00,260 and I could not even go to Czechoslovakia 91 00:06:00,260 --> 00:06:03,864 to visit my mother who was living there. 92 00:06:03,864 --> 00:06:08,035 And I hadn't seen her for that time in 25 years. 93 00:06:08,035 --> 00:06:12,205 And for us to travel in those days was not possible because 94 00:06:15,576 --> 00:06:17,711 the communist system thought that if you 95 00:06:17,711 --> 00:06:22,115 leave the country you will never come back. 96 00:06:22,115 --> 00:06:26,654 - I discovered that there was a film school in Budapest. 97 00:06:26,654 --> 00:06:29,723 3000 applicants in that year for just 98 00:06:30,891 --> 00:06:33,393 the cinematography alone and I made it. 99 00:06:33,393 --> 00:06:35,362 Just a dream came true you know. 100 00:06:35,362 --> 00:06:38,298 Almost I didn't know whether I'm dreaming or not. 101 00:06:38,298 --> 00:06:41,368 - I wanted to go to college and I realized 102 00:06:41,368 --> 00:06:45,105 that they wouldn't accept me because my parents 103 00:06:45,105 --> 00:06:48,375 were not really accepted by the regime. 104 00:06:49,777 --> 00:06:52,245 So then it came to me this idea that 105 00:06:52,245 --> 00:06:55,783 yeah I will teach them photography 106 00:06:55,783 --> 00:06:58,586 and the party sector really was very happy 107 00:06:58,586 --> 00:07:01,388 because never happened before that somebody 108 00:07:01,388 --> 00:07:05,526 would teach photography for the working class. 109 00:07:05,526 --> 00:07:07,928 - Briefly I met Vilmos because he was 110 00:07:07,928 --> 00:07:11,131 in that class and he was involved with 111 00:07:11,131 --> 00:07:14,234 the selection of the next film class. 112 00:07:18,138 --> 00:07:20,207 It was fate they call it. 113 00:07:21,509 --> 00:07:23,477 Like the fate was telling us 114 00:07:23,477 --> 00:07:26,213 that we have to be together for 50 years 115 00:07:26,213 --> 00:07:28,749 and working together basically you know. 116 00:07:28,749 --> 00:07:33,754 - It wasn't a bad time you know, nobody complains. 117 00:07:33,754 --> 00:07:37,157 - Their trip from Hungary is world famous 118 00:07:39,192 --> 00:07:43,363 within our industry and their relationship 119 00:07:43,363 --> 00:07:46,366 'Cause I mean these are two brothers, 120 00:07:46,366 --> 00:07:50,037 strange last names and different last names. 121 00:07:51,505 --> 00:07:53,941 This is Hungary calling. 122 00:07:53,941 --> 00:07:55,943 This is Hungary calling. 123 00:07:57,344 --> 00:08:00,981 The last remaining stating forward to the United Nations 124 00:08:03,150 --> 00:08:06,219 Early this morning the Soviet troops 125 00:08:06,219 --> 00:08:09,990 launched a general attack on Hungary. 126 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:13,994 We are requesting you to send us immediate aide. 127 00:08:15,228 --> 00:08:18,732 For the sake of God and freedom help Hungary. 128 00:08:24,104 --> 00:08:26,907 - You have the same routine, turn on the radio, 129 00:08:26,907 --> 00:08:29,409 and shower and all that stuff. 130 00:08:29,409 --> 00:08:32,580 I turn on the radio and it's quiet you know. 131 00:08:32,580 --> 00:08:35,315 I hit it, maybe it's not working. 132 00:08:37,785 --> 00:08:39,753 There was no broadcast. 133 00:08:39,753 --> 00:08:43,523 - Well we wanted actually to get a delegation 134 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:46,426 brought to the radio station and read 135 00:08:46,426 --> 00:08:51,264 the declaration of this revolution, what's happening. 136 00:08:51,264 --> 00:08:54,167 The radio station was controlled by 137 00:08:55,368 --> 00:08:58,105 the AVO which was the secret police. 138 00:08:59,306 --> 00:09:01,208 They were actually up in the rooftops 139 00:09:01,208 --> 00:09:05,045 and started to shoot at the demonstrators in the street. 140 00:09:05,045 --> 00:09:07,615 And then people started to run away 141 00:09:07,615 --> 00:09:08,548 and then some people of course 142 00:09:08,548 --> 00:09:10,317 died right there in the street. 143 00:09:10,317 --> 00:09:14,487 And then that's when basically the revolution started. 144 00:09:15,889 --> 00:09:18,792 - People we're mad at these guys 'cause that was 145 00:09:18,792 --> 00:09:21,361 the center of the area and they were 146 00:09:21,361 --> 00:09:24,998 shooting at people from up from the fifth floor 147 00:09:24,998 --> 00:09:27,300 and they're killing people from the building. 148 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:30,570 And then finally they attacked the building, 149 00:09:30,570 --> 00:09:33,741 they caught those guys and they lynched them 150 00:09:33,741 --> 00:09:36,343 and then hanged them up on the tree. 151 00:09:36,343 --> 00:09:39,713 Which was a sad thing for us because 152 00:09:39,713 --> 00:09:42,950 our revolution was really very clean 153 00:09:42,950 --> 00:09:45,653 and we didn't want to kill anyone 154 00:09:45,653 --> 00:09:48,756 without putting them into the court. 155 00:09:48,756 --> 00:09:51,692 But this was something you could not control the people. 156 00:09:51,692 --> 00:09:54,662 The were so angry they could not believe these guys 157 00:09:54,662 --> 00:09:57,130 because they killed so many people in the square. 158 00:09:57,130 --> 00:09:59,199 - And one morning again we're standing 159 00:09:59,199 --> 00:10:02,636 on a corner of the film school and the main avenue, 160 00:10:02,636 --> 00:10:04,638 and the Russian tanks were coming 161 00:10:04,638 --> 00:10:07,107 back and forth and firing everywhere. 162 00:10:07,107 --> 00:10:11,478 We looked at each other and he said let's go. 163 00:10:11,478 --> 00:10:13,681 And we knew exactly what he meant. 164 00:10:13,681 --> 00:10:17,050 We went up to the camera department of film school 165 00:10:17,050 --> 00:10:21,755 got an Arriflex loaded up we buried in a shopping bag. 166 00:10:21,755 --> 00:10:24,658 And we started walking the streets. 167 00:10:26,660 --> 00:10:29,863 - They all think it was shot by Laszlo and Vilmos. 168 00:10:29,863 --> 00:10:34,267 They were about 25 cameramen working on this. 169 00:10:34,267 --> 00:10:36,403 - Whoever took these films like the freedom fighters 170 00:10:36,403 --> 00:10:40,473 they photographed risked their lives to compile this record. 171 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:43,243 - When we were shooting the movie 172 00:10:44,444 --> 00:10:46,146 we didn't realize that we could have been shot 173 00:10:46,146 --> 00:10:49,082 right there in the street because 174 00:10:49,082 --> 00:10:50,483 they killed people right and left 175 00:10:50,483 --> 00:10:52,920 just because they were doing stills. 176 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,757 - Camera was considered a weapon by the Russians. 177 00:10:56,757 --> 00:10:58,926 They shot you on the spot. 178 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,131 - In those instances they could have been really 179 00:11:04,131 --> 00:11:06,967 got shot and who knows what to do with us. 180 00:11:06,967 --> 00:11:11,504 But at that time we were a little bit more courageous then 181 00:11:11,504 --> 00:11:14,274 we should have been probably but 182 00:11:14,274 --> 00:11:16,409 we were lucky nobody caught us. 183 00:11:16,409 --> 00:11:20,147 - There was one shot, a medic is running into 184 00:11:22,115 --> 00:11:25,018 the firing line and there was a wounded person. 185 00:11:25,018 --> 00:11:29,189 And just as he almost got behind a tank, the medic got shot. 186 00:11:32,926 --> 00:11:36,063 He was killed right there but he saved the wounded person. 187 00:11:36,063 --> 00:11:39,900 - I feel naturally the areas where we saw some 188 00:11:42,035 --> 00:11:46,206 freedom fighters dead on the street from that event, 189 00:11:47,775 --> 00:11:51,945 and there was this Hungarian flag with a hole in it. 190 00:11:54,014 --> 00:11:56,750 The hole was because the people cut out 191 00:11:56,750 --> 00:12:00,888 the hammer and sickle which was symbol of communism. 192 00:12:02,322 --> 00:12:06,126 That flag was in a way that I could shoot through the hole 193 00:12:06,126 --> 00:12:09,963 and see the freedom fighters face through that 194 00:12:11,731 --> 00:12:14,401 which became a symbol basically. 195 00:12:15,803 --> 00:12:20,040 - The big question was what do we do with the film? 196 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,110 - I just over waiting for the knocking on the door. 197 00:12:23,110 --> 00:12:26,213 And then somebody would come and take us away 198 00:12:26,213 --> 00:12:28,415 or something like that and that was, 199 00:12:28,415 --> 00:12:30,283 that's when we had to think a lot 200 00:12:30,283 --> 00:12:33,787 what we should do with our lives now. 201 00:12:33,787 --> 00:12:36,056 - I mean it's okay if we leave you know. 202 00:12:36,056 --> 00:12:38,458 But we didn't want to leave the film behind. 203 00:12:38,458 --> 00:12:42,896 - I finally went up to my teacher Elaus, a good man 204 00:12:42,896 --> 00:12:45,365 he was always happy everybody, and he said 205 00:12:45,365 --> 00:12:48,401 you know what I think you're right, I think you're right. 206 00:12:48,401 --> 00:12:52,239 I absolutely think that you are making the right choice. 207 00:12:52,239 --> 00:12:56,309 I don't think that I would even try to go alone myself. 208 00:12:56,309 --> 00:12:59,446 I don't know anybody who tried to go by himself. 209 00:12:59,446 --> 00:13:01,314 - So we left off the next day, 210 00:13:01,314 --> 00:13:03,583 walking and carrying the film. 211 00:13:03,583 --> 00:13:07,120 It was the most incredible sight I'm never gonna forget it. 212 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,291 It was a plowed field but frozen, very hard to walk on it, 213 00:13:12,492 --> 00:13:15,328 and very heavy fog but you could see 214 00:13:16,796 --> 00:13:19,632 from the right to all the way to the left 215 00:13:19,632 --> 00:13:23,670 little tiny figures going the same direction. 216 00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:25,873 They all was going to the Austrian border. 217 00:13:25,873 --> 00:13:28,375 The image itself, it haunts me 218 00:13:29,609 --> 00:13:32,545 and follows me the rest of my life. 219 00:13:33,713 --> 00:13:37,650 We finally got into this canal inside the levy 220 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:40,320 and there was hundreds of people lined up. 221 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,390 About 300 yards or something like this 222 00:13:43,390 --> 00:13:46,226 about six or eight Russian soldiers just 223 00:13:46,226 --> 00:13:49,997 jump us on a bridge, they start yelling and waving 224 00:13:49,997 --> 00:13:53,266 the submachine gun shooting at the air. 225 00:13:55,168 --> 00:13:59,339 - Some people tried to run away and then next remember. 226 00:13:59,339 --> 00:14:01,875 And we are still marching towards the soldiers there. 227 00:14:01,875 --> 00:14:03,610 - We still had the film with us. 228 00:14:03,610 --> 00:14:05,545 - We didn't want them to catch the film 229 00:14:05,545 --> 00:14:07,547 because they will kill us right there. 230 00:14:07,547 --> 00:14:11,218 - The men they were lined up on a dirt road. 231 00:14:12,652 --> 00:14:17,390 A Russian officer comes and he's body searching everybody. 232 00:14:17,390 --> 00:14:21,861 So the officer's getting closer and my hand is up, 233 00:14:21,861 --> 00:14:25,498 Vilmos' hand is up and I said Vilmos the film. 234 00:14:25,498 --> 00:14:27,334 And he said what film? 235 00:14:28,768 --> 00:14:32,005 I have a negative, those 35 still pictures are rolled up. 236 00:14:32,005 --> 00:14:35,175 It's in my ski pants you know. 237 00:14:35,175 --> 00:14:37,911 And he said oh my God I forgot, you're crazy 238 00:14:37,911 --> 00:14:40,547 and he starts arguing and cussing me 239 00:14:40,547 --> 00:14:43,550 and the officer's over there, typical Vilmos. 240 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:47,720 I said we can be shot here but he's still cussing me out. 241 00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:51,391 And I'm soaking wet by this time. 242 00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:53,860 So Vilmos had a plastic watch, 243 00:14:53,860 --> 00:14:56,096 you could see inside the movement. 244 00:14:56,096 --> 00:14:59,366 And also an Omega watch which was given 245 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:03,903 to him by his father on graduation. 246 00:15:03,903 --> 00:15:07,307 And he pulls his Omega watch and he said, 247 00:15:08,508 --> 00:15:10,043 and he shoves it my hand and said 248 00:15:10,043 --> 00:15:11,644 you take it you give it to him. 249 00:15:11,644 --> 00:15:15,782 - But it was a stop watch and it looked a little bit old 250 00:15:15,782 --> 00:15:17,350 so it was almost like it had-- 251 00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:18,986 - The crystal was a little scratched. 252 00:15:18,986 --> 00:15:23,523 - And then he said (speaking in foreign language) 253 00:15:23,523 --> 00:15:26,159 not good, give it to me back. 254 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:27,660 Then he let us go. 255 00:15:27,660 --> 00:15:30,063 - We knew the boat it was about three miles away. 256 00:15:30,063 --> 00:15:32,732 So with all the heavy baggages on 257 00:15:32,732 --> 00:15:34,701 we determined on and we started to run. 258 00:15:34,701 --> 00:15:37,604 - It suddenly got to me you know, 259 00:15:37,604 --> 00:15:41,841 and it got to all of us that we're leaving the country 260 00:15:41,841 --> 00:15:45,478 and probably maybe never come back again. 261 00:15:45,478 --> 00:15:49,216 I leaned down and I got a handful of dirt 262 00:15:49,216 --> 00:15:52,652 and put it in my pocket I said this is my country 263 00:15:52,652 --> 00:15:55,755 this is what I have, and I had that dirt 264 00:15:55,755 --> 00:15:59,692 for many many years in that same old rain coat. 265 00:15:59,692 --> 00:16:03,063 - When you're making film as if your life depends on it, 266 00:16:03,063 --> 00:16:05,165 and it does depend on it as Vilmos did. 267 00:16:05,165 --> 00:16:08,168 When you think about what he did and Laszlo 268 00:16:08,168 --> 00:16:10,670 coming out of a country with footage 269 00:16:10,670 --> 00:16:12,639 that could them killed and tortured 270 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:14,207 and all the kinds of nasty things 271 00:16:14,207 --> 00:16:16,409 that those people did then and now 272 00:16:16,409 --> 00:16:18,811 then almost everything else for them 273 00:16:18,811 --> 00:16:20,547 I guess was a form of art because 274 00:16:20,547 --> 00:16:22,615 they'd done with the politics. 275 00:16:22,615 --> 00:16:24,451 - Vilmos ended up in East Coast. 276 00:16:24,451 --> 00:16:27,054 I ended up upper state New York 277 00:16:29,456 --> 00:16:32,625 in a maple syrup forest working there. 278 00:16:34,294 --> 00:16:38,131 And I said if this is America I don't want it. 279 00:16:39,266 --> 00:16:42,235 I mean this is worse than communism. 280 00:16:43,403 --> 00:16:46,773 It's tough like I was in a labor camp. 281 00:16:46,773 --> 00:16:50,577 It was very clear as long as we are out of our country, 282 00:16:50,577 --> 00:16:54,081 can't go back, let's just go Hollywood. 283 00:16:54,081 --> 00:16:56,015 - To the state of dreams. 284 00:17:00,887 --> 00:17:03,423 - First we needed to okay make a list. 285 00:17:03,423 --> 00:17:06,926 We have to join the union, we have to join the ASC, 286 00:17:06,926 --> 00:17:09,262 we have to join the Academy, 287 00:17:10,430 --> 00:17:14,134 and all these things in order to get jobs. 288 00:17:14,134 --> 00:17:16,736 So we started with the union and the guy 289 00:17:16,736 --> 00:17:19,672 looks at us and drops his feet down 290 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,876 and stands up, a huge guy and said 291 00:17:25,078 --> 00:17:27,947 you know what come back when you speak English. 292 00:17:27,947 --> 00:17:29,449 - And they really thought they were gonna meet 293 00:17:29,449 --> 00:17:31,684 one of their heroes like Gregg Toland 294 00:17:31,684 --> 00:17:34,654 who was Orson Wells cinematographer on Citizen Cane. 295 00:17:34,654 --> 00:17:36,523 Two of those guys walked up to the 296 00:17:36,523 --> 00:17:38,425 ASE club house for the first time. 297 00:17:38,425 --> 00:17:40,527 And here's these two guys with long hair. 298 00:17:40,527 --> 00:17:42,662 - He's look inside, totally dark you know, 299 00:17:42,662 --> 00:17:45,165 and suddenly this voice comes. 300 00:17:46,899 --> 00:17:48,768 May I help you? 301 00:17:48,768 --> 00:17:50,670 My God. 302 00:17:50,670 --> 00:17:52,205 - And here you just asked them to leave 303 00:17:52,205 --> 00:17:56,709 the ASE club house which was like a castle to these guys. 304 00:17:56,709 --> 00:17:57,944 They go up there and want to meet 305 00:17:57,944 --> 00:17:59,479 all their people they been reading about, 306 00:17:59,479 --> 00:18:02,282 these books and magazines, I mean what a shock that was. 307 00:18:02,282 --> 00:18:05,985 - So okay Vilmos no union, no this, no that. 308 00:18:05,985 --> 00:18:08,188 We have to get to work somehow. 309 00:18:08,188 --> 00:18:11,991 Our first job was picking up trash in the park. 310 00:18:11,991 --> 00:18:14,161 - Walking with a bag on our shoulder 311 00:18:14,161 --> 00:18:17,497 and we're picking up trash and paper. 312 00:18:17,497 --> 00:18:19,766 Well I just say that wasn't very good either. 313 00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:21,368 - We've done all kinds of jobs. 314 00:18:21,368 --> 00:18:24,171 Baby photography, and occasionally 315 00:18:24,171 --> 00:18:26,839 we got something which was closer. 316 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:29,642 - We did whatever we had to do the two of us, 317 00:18:29,642 --> 00:18:32,879 you know a little nudie cuties. 318 00:18:32,879 --> 00:18:35,148 Horror pictures, they got into 319 00:18:35,148 --> 00:18:38,185 some of the like the zombie stuff. 320 00:18:38,185 --> 00:18:39,652 Their crew? 321 00:18:39,652 --> 00:18:41,454 They didn't have any crew they just had the two of them. 322 00:18:41,454 --> 00:18:43,256 You know one time Vilmos would be the DP 323 00:18:43,256 --> 00:18:45,792 and the Laszlo'd be the electrician 324 00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:46,893 and the grip and everything and then 325 00:18:46,893 --> 00:18:48,428 they'd switch off and do that. 326 00:18:48,428 --> 00:18:50,563 If you looked at what they had in their station wagon 327 00:18:50,563 --> 00:18:52,965 they were the crew, to me at that age 328 00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:56,203 it looked like a bunch of gypsies. 329 00:18:56,203 --> 00:18:58,271 - They learned so much from each other. 330 00:18:58,271 --> 00:19:01,574 I've done interviews with Laszlo and Vilmos together. 331 00:19:01,574 --> 00:19:03,443 And none of them ever finished a sentence. 332 00:19:03,443 --> 00:19:04,677 Laszlo would start talking about 333 00:19:04,677 --> 00:19:06,112 something Vilmos did that was wonderful 334 00:19:06,112 --> 00:19:07,880 and Vilmos would interrupt him and tell me 335 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,483 how wonderful Laszlo is at what he did. 336 00:19:10,483 --> 00:19:11,684 - Gosh they were great. 337 00:19:11,684 --> 00:19:14,354 I knew them as Willy and Leslie. 338 00:19:15,888 --> 00:19:20,660 I'm talking about Vilmos Zsigmond and Laszlo Kovacs. 339 00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:23,763 But when I knew them they were Willy and Leslie. 340 00:19:29,936 --> 00:19:31,471 The Incredibly Strange Creatures 341 00:19:31,471 --> 00:19:34,674 Who Stopped Living and Became Mixed-up Zombies. 342 00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:36,909 When I made this movie I had to have 343 00:19:36,909 --> 00:19:39,145 Vilmos Zsigmond on it, there was no doubt in my mind 344 00:19:39,145 --> 00:19:42,549 because we both were into faces, 345 00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:46,353 portrait photography, all kinds of odd angles and stuff. 346 00:19:52,292 --> 00:19:54,227 - I called those movies basically not a low budget 347 00:19:54,227 --> 00:19:57,096 but a no budget film basically. 348 00:19:57,096 --> 00:19:59,299 - Then I put Willy on ice skates. 349 00:19:59,299 --> 00:20:00,967 He said he could skate a little bit. 350 00:20:00,967 --> 00:20:03,035 - And I cannot stand on the skates. 351 00:20:03,035 --> 00:20:05,805 I mean it's not even skating I can't stand on it. 352 00:20:05,805 --> 00:20:08,275 So then they said alright that's okay, 353 00:20:08,275 --> 00:20:11,010 just hold camera and we will push you around. 354 00:20:11,010 --> 00:20:13,413 - And I put a rope to him, 355 00:20:13,413 --> 00:20:17,183 and tied the two actors with the rope. 356 00:20:17,183 --> 00:20:21,053 And when we did all the flares came from the spotlight. 357 00:20:21,053 --> 00:20:22,589 And Willy says there's too many flares, 358 00:20:22,589 --> 00:20:24,223 there's too many flares. 359 00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:25,792 And that's when I made a remark I says 360 00:20:25,792 --> 00:20:29,962 Willy those flares will win you an Academy Award sometime. 361 00:20:30,863 --> 00:20:33,333 And I said to Willy I said we're 362 00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:35,034 gonna need another camera operator, 363 00:20:35,034 --> 00:20:37,670 so he said I'll bring my friend Leslie. 364 00:20:37,670 --> 00:20:40,573 Then I remembered seeing this guy over there in the corner 365 00:20:40,573 --> 00:20:42,609 and everywhere he went there were girls. 366 00:20:42,609 --> 00:20:43,876 I mean it was amazing. 367 00:20:43,876 --> 00:20:45,545 - Laszlo is very good looking guy. 368 00:20:45,545 --> 00:20:48,648 Sure Laszlo was always a charming guy 369 00:20:49,782 --> 00:20:51,418 and everybody loved him you know. 370 00:20:51,418 --> 00:20:53,420 - I want you to make sure Laszlo that you get 371 00:20:53,420 --> 00:20:56,255 this nice two and three shots of the girls all the time. 372 00:20:56,255 --> 00:21:00,059 He says I come from Hungary we don't miss the shot. 373 00:21:00,059 --> 00:21:02,228 We miss the shot we get shot. 374 00:21:02,228 --> 00:21:04,431 - They were illegitimate. 375 00:21:04,431 --> 00:21:08,601 They were living on the outside of the studio system, 376 00:21:09,769 --> 00:21:12,038 on the outside of the conventional 377 00:21:12,038 --> 00:21:14,607 movie making process and limit. 378 00:21:18,811 --> 00:21:19,646 - Johnny! 379 00:21:26,586 --> 00:21:30,089 - They seemed to be more adventurous to me 380 00:21:31,491 --> 00:21:35,061 and to my partners and to my fellow workers 381 00:21:36,262 --> 00:21:38,531 in temperament than what you would have 382 00:21:38,531 --> 00:21:42,702 expected to find on the lots working at the studios. 383 00:21:46,005 --> 00:21:50,777 - In '66 I was working in picture after picture, 384 00:21:50,777 --> 00:21:52,545 you know all these low budget films. 385 00:21:52,545 --> 00:21:56,749 And we working with this Paul Lewison, production manager. 386 00:21:56,749 --> 00:21:58,385 And Paul called me one day he said 387 00:21:58,385 --> 00:22:01,788 there's this young film critic from New York. 388 00:22:03,189 --> 00:22:06,258 - Come on in I was just watching a relic I had a hand in. 389 00:22:06,258 --> 00:22:08,661 - Who is going to do his fist feature. 390 00:22:08,661 --> 00:22:11,330 And he's look for just like you, 391 00:22:13,199 --> 00:22:16,536 cheap, fast, you know all the qualities. 392 00:22:17,904 --> 00:22:19,338 - Roger Corman said well we have a 393 00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:22,174 very good guy named Leslie Kovacs. 394 00:22:23,610 --> 00:22:26,446 He just did The Girl in the Invisible Bikini 395 00:22:26,446 --> 00:22:29,015 for us and he's very good. 396 00:22:29,015 --> 00:22:31,418 I just liked him right away, he was really good looking, 397 00:22:31,418 --> 00:22:35,588 smart and fun to talk with, I liked everything about him. 398 00:22:36,756 --> 00:22:38,357 I said that's not your real name Leslie is it? 399 00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:42,529 He said no, my name is Laszlo but I changed it for American. 400 00:22:44,030 --> 00:22:46,032 Laszlo Kovacs I mean that's a great name. 401 00:22:46,032 --> 00:22:49,268 He said yeah but when I make a picture 402 00:22:49,268 --> 00:22:51,938 I'm proud of I use my real name. 403 00:22:53,906 --> 00:22:55,207 We shot things in Targets you're just 404 00:22:55,207 --> 00:22:58,077 not allowed to do at all, we just did it. 405 00:22:58,077 --> 00:23:00,312 We shot in the freeway, we shot on the freeway, 406 00:23:00,312 --> 00:23:02,649 we shot at the freeway, you're not allowed to that. 407 00:23:02,649 --> 00:23:04,851 It's all against the law. 408 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:12,158 Boris played a horror movie star who's retiring 409 00:23:12,158 --> 00:23:15,662 because his kind of Victorian horror isn't 410 00:23:17,196 --> 00:23:21,100 horrible enough anymore, as opposed to the real horror 411 00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:24,704 of this kid in Texas who, all American boy 412 00:23:24,704 --> 00:23:26,272 who went and killed everybody. 413 00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:38,651 - When the picture was over Danny arranged a screening 414 00:23:38,651 --> 00:23:41,488 and everybody in young Hollywood was there, 415 00:23:41,488 --> 00:23:45,057 Dennis Hopper, Peter Fonda, Jack Nicholson. 416 00:23:45,057 --> 00:23:49,095 We ran the picture and not a sound during the picture. 417 00:23:49,095 --> 00:23:51,030 When it was over nobody said anything, 418 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:53,633 nobody came over to me, nobody said anything. 419 00:23:53,633 --> 00:23:56,035 Nobody said shit, good, nothing. 420 00:23:56,035 --> 00:23:58,905 Except Jack Nicholson came over sat down next to me 421 00:23:58,905 --> 00:24:02,041 and says good picture Bags, he called me Bags. 422 00:24:02,041 --> 00:24:05,211 He said how'd you do it and so on, he was terrific. 423 00:24:06,178 --> 00:24:07,446 - It's alright. 424 00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:09,582 - Gonna clean up, is this the new script? 425 00:24:09,582 --> 00:24:11,518 - Nevertheless came to make Easy Rider 426 00:24:11,518 --> 00:24:14,687 which was made shortly after that. 427 00:24:14,687 --> 00:24:16,789 They hired my entire crew. 428 00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:18,525 - And the real Hollywood release 429 00:24:18,525 --> 00:24:22,094 was coming at me in the shape of another 430 00:24:22,094 --> 00:24:25,164 motorcycle picture called Easy Rider. 431 00:24:29,035 --> 00:24:31,237 - Peter and I decided we wanted to make a movie together. 432 00:24:31,237 --> 00:24:32,839 He wanted to produce a movie I was gonna, 433 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:36,008 he want me to direct and we both wanted to act in it. 434 00:24:36,008 --> 00:24:38,244 - Come on it's check out time. 435 00:24:38,244 --> 00:24:39,078 Hey Billy. 436 00:24:40,513 --> 00:24:42,448 - Oh man don't do that. 437 00:24:44,316 --> 00:24:48,187 - Think we have already done enough bike movies. 438 00:24:48,187 --> 00:24:49,656 You need one more? 439 00:24:49,656 --> 00:24:51,390 - And we saw a whole bunch of films 440 00:24:51,390 --> 00:24:55,194 that Laszlo had shot, and they were great. 441 00:24:55,194 --> 00:24:58,898 Exactly the kind of stuff we wanted. 442 00:24:58,898 --> 00:25:02,735 - His talent was somewhat unproven and immense. 443 00:25:03,670 --> 00:25:06,806 That there wasn't an opportunity 444 00:25:06,806 --> 00:25:10,476 for him to show it in his other movies. 445 00:25:10,476 --> 00:25:12,111 But we knew that he could do it. 446 00:25:12,111 --> 00:25:15,582 - So you hear all this racket going down the hallway. 447 00:25:15,582 --> 00:25:18,918 And it's obviously Dennis is carrying on 448 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:23,089 yelling and all that stuff and the surprise 449 00:25:23,089 --> 00:25:25,825 is that he's already in full wardrobe. 450 00:25:25,825 --> 00:25:28,761 And he had a roll of paper under his arm 451 00:25:28,761 --> 00:25:31,931 and he grabs it and throws it up in the air. 452 00:25:31,931 --> 00:25:35,134 So all the pages like snow flakes. 453 00:25:35,134 --> 00:25:38,270 And I said this many is crazy. 454 00:25:38,270 --> 00:25:41,407 - And Dennis was extraordinary. 455 00:25:41,407 --> 00:25:45,945 You could he say he optimized the era emotionally 456 00:25:45,945 --> 00:25:50,116 because he was going to get the truth of that time. 457 00:25:51,651 --> 00:25:53,653 - We wanted to talk about the politics 458 00:25:53,653 --> 00:25:57,089 of individuals and the bigotry in racism. 459 00:25:58,257 --> 00:26:00,259 - So I also saw it as a commentary 460 00:26:00,259 --> 00:26:02,862 on what was going on in the country at the time. 461 00:26:02,862 --> 00:26:03,896 The younger generation 462 00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:05,765 was getting eaten up by Vietnam. 463 00:26:05,765 --> 00:26:07,233 I mean it was a terrible thing. 464 00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:08,334 - Chances are you'd never seen 465 00:26:08,334 --> 00:26:10,536 anything quite like Easy Rider. 466 00:26:10,536 --> 00:26:13,940 America had not seen a film like Easy Rider. 467 00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:16,709 - I thought I have to do this picture. 468 00:26:16,709 --> 00:26:18,878 I would be crazy not to. 469 00:26:18,878 --> 00:26:21,113 - We just hit it off. 470 00:26:21,113 --> 00:26:23,850 He was the best telephoto operator I've ever seen. 471 00:26:23,850 --> 00:26:25,051 There's no question about it. 472 00:26:25,051 --> 00:26:28,688 The things he did were just sensational. 473 00:26:28,688 --> 00:26:32,458 Our camera car was a '68 Chevy convertible 474 00:26:32,458 --> 00:26:35,695 with the back seat out and a pine wood floor. 475 00:26:35,695 --> 00:26:38,998 We would put some sand bags in the back and then-- 476 00:26:38,998 --> 00:26:43,703 - Put an area on a high hat and a 10 to one zoom, 477 00:26:43,703 --> 00:26:46,806 and a sandbag and that was my weapon. 478 00:26:46,806 --> 00:26:50,409 - From that he did all of his telephoto work 479 00:26:50,409 --> 00:26:54,580 off the wheels up and around on Jack and Peter and myself. 480 00:26:57,016 --> 00:27:01,520 - And Laszlo was able to give us a sense of freedom 481 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,791 being able to be on the road to be able to 482 00:27:04,791 --> 00:27:07,426 experience America for the first time. 483 00:27:07,426 --> 00:27:10,462 And I really felt like I was experiencing America 484 00:27:10,462 --> 00:27:12,832 like he was experiencing America. 485 00:27:12,832 --> 00:27:16,836 And he was able to be that metaphor for freedom. 486 00:27:18,604 --> 00:27:21,073 - The rainbow color just coming down 487 00:27:21,073 --> 00:27:25,244 like heroes it sort of romanticized the character. 488 00:27:27,747 --> 00:27:31,317 I could start on the sun and lock on a beam 489 00:27:32,584 --> 00:27:35,121 and bring it into the characters 490 00:27:35,121 --> 00:27:39,759 and let the sun, and the beam was there, the split beam. 491 00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:41,327 It was beautiful you know. 492 00:27:41,327 --> 00:27:43,329 - Easy Rider was very innovative. 493 00:27:43,329 --> 00:27:46,966 It was carefully made in an uncareful way. 494 00:27:46,966 --> 00:27:50,837 - The movie was a shock in many ways. 495 00:27:50,837 --> 00:27:53,873 They were used to seeing Dors Day kind of 496 00:27:53,873 --> 00:27:57,609 knowing where the camera was and in that sense 497 00:27:57,609 --> 00:28:01,814 we know where the camera is 'cause she's this. 498 00:28:01,814 --> 00:28:03,449 And there's the camera, there's he pink lips 499 00:28:03,449 --> 00:28:07,653 and her little hair you know what I mean, pillow talk? 500 00:28:07,653 --> 00:28:08,721 - We blew it. 501 00:28:12,158 --> 00:28:14,260 - And Billy says but I thought that's what it was all about, 502 00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:18,097 get rich and retire in Florida, and like you know, 503 00:28:18,097 --> 00:28:20,366 then he said no we blew it. 504 00:28:22,568 --> 00:28:24,636 Good night man. 505 00:28:25,972 --> 00:28:28,107 - Matter of fact that 20 minutes 506 00:28:28,107 --> 00:28:31,443 from the cafe to the time they kill him, 507 00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:37,083 it's one unit and that's when the core of the film is. 508 00:28:50,429 --> 00:28:54,600 - Then when that camera move pulled up abruptly it 509 00:28:55,501 --> 00:28:58,204 was congruent with what might be 510 00:28:59,505 --> 00:29:01,841 many peoples experience in death. 511 00:29:01,841 --> 00:29:03,675 - What a dangerous like to do that because 512 00:29:03,675 --> 00:29:05,244 I didn't have the right helicopter. 513 00:29:05,244 --> 00:29:07,013 I had a Mickey Mouse little helicopter 514 00:29:07,013 --> 00:29:10,649 which would not take more than one person and a camera. 515 00:29:10,649 --> 00:29:13,719 I mean it was very unsafe the way Laszlo did that then 516 00:29:13,719 --> 00:29:16,722 but luckily he survived another one. 517 00:29:17,890 --> 00:29:19,425 - And think God he did 'cause he got this 518 00:29:19,425 --> 00:29:23,762 shot that makes the movie sing through the history. 519 00:29:23,762 --> 00:29:26,065 - And all the money's in the gas tank 520 00:29:26,065 --> 00:29:27,867 which blows up on the side of the road, 521 00:29:27,867 --> 00:29:31,871 which is hopefully not totally a prophecy. 522 00:29:31,871 --> 00:29:34,106 - They were at the forefront of 523 00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:37,977 the change in film making from the studio system 524 00:29:37,977 --> 00:29:40,246 to the independent system and then maybe now 525 00:29:40,246 --> 00:29:42,081 back to the studio system frankly. 526 00:29:42,081 --> 00:29:46,218 - In the mid '60's Bert Schneider and I formed a company. 527 00:29:46,218 --> 00:29:47,920 And the intent of the company was 528 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,189 to make independent movies. 529 00:29:51,357 --> 00:29:54,360 We questioned why it was that there was 530 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,997 an in independent movement in so many other countries 531 00:29:57,997 --> 00:30:00,199 like Italy, the new Vaudeville, 532 00:30:00,199 --> 00:30:02,902 like the French, like the English, 533 00:30:02,902 --> 00:30:05,304 and yet we didn't have that movement here in America. 534 00:30:05,304 --> 00:30:08,307 So the group, it was a natural place 535 00:30:09,541 --> 00:30:12,211 for the Hungarians to gravitate. 536 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,848 - I don't know if anybody ever coined a name for it 537 00:30:15,848 --> 00:30:18,484 but you could call it the American new way 538 00:30:21,453 --> 00:30:24,090 * With their hair in ribbons and legs in tights 539 00:30:24,090 --> 00:30:26,225 * Hooray for Hollywood 540 00:30:35,134 --> 00:30:36,535 - I was able to come up and get 541 00:30:36,535 --> 00:30:38,837 the money to shoot The Hired Hand. 542 00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:42,441 I need a good cinematographer whoa, Leslie/Laszlo. 543 00:30:42,441 --> 00:30:46,012 Now is now longer Leslie/Laszlo, is Laszlo. 544 00:30:46,012 --> 00:30:49,882 And Peter I'm sorry I'm shooting Alex in Wonderland 545 00:30:49,882 --> 00:30:52,718 for Paul Mazursky, and I can't do it. 546 00:30:52,718 --> 00:30:54,921 But you remember that guy who used to come with me 547 00:30:54,921 --> 00:30:57,256 to see the dailies, he had the little beard. 548 00:30:57,256 --> 00:30:58,790 I said yeah. 549 00:30:58,790 --> 00:31:03,029 Well that's my mentor, his name is Bill Zsigmond 550 00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:06,598 but you can call him Ziggy and I recommend him highly. 551 00:31:06,598 --> 00:31:10,769 And if Laszlo's going to be recommending it, I'm in. 552 00:31:12,538 --> 00:31:16,308 On one of those drives back I was talking to Vilmos 553 00:31:16,308 --> 00:31:19,278 about the next day's shoot and about the shot 554 00:31:19,278 --> 00:31:22,181 and what it means to me, it's a metaphor. 555 00:31:22,181 --> 00:31:24,783 Oh Jesus Christ Peter don't need no metaphor, 556 00:31:24,783 --> 00:31:26,518 just where you want put the camera. 557 00:31:26,518 --> 00:31:29,121 And I went on about it being the metaphor and allegory. 558 00:31:29,121 --> 00:31:30,456 I don't need to know about allegory, 559 00:31:30,456 --> 00:31:31,657 where to put the camera. 560 00:31:31,657 --> 00:31:32,925 And I was back and forth with him 561 00:31:32,925 --> 00:31:35,361 and I said Vilmos what'd you do with 562 00:31:35,361 --> 00:31:37,964 the other directors you've worked with? 563 00:31:37,964 --> 00:31:39,765 What other directors? 564 00:31:39,765 --> 00:31:41,633 And I locked up all four wheels 565 00:31:41,633 --> 00:31:43,135 and the smoke of the tires just 566 00:31:43,135 --> 00:31:45,404 filled up the cab of this Blazer. 567 00:31:45,404 --> 00:31:47,373 This is my first outdoor color film. 568 00:31:49,208 --> 00:31:50,642 I thought well this is far out. 569 00:31:53,312 --> 00:31:55,247 - It was the tale end of the studio system. 570 00:31:55,247 --> 00:31:57,883 But there was a great feeling of independence and 571 00:31:57,883 --> 00:32:02,421 that small budget movies being made outside of the studio, 572 00:32:02,421 --> 00:32:07,193 and this is where Laszlo and Vilmos sort of took the lead. 573 00:32:07,193 --> 00:32:11,230 - I always worked on projects which had to be real. 574 00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:15,401 Real locations with real people, believable acting. 575 00:32:17,869 --> 00:32:21,140 Nowadays we call this poetic reality. 576 00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:23,275 - Somebody please help, stop! 577 00:32:23,275 --> 00:32:25,844 Help us, help up please! 578 00:32:25,844 --> 00:32:28,981 - Like the painters used to do you know the Rembrandt, 579 00:32:28,981 --> 00:32:33,152 Caravaggio, the Dutch masters, Georges de La Tour. 580 00:32:35,021 --> 00:32:39,191 I mean they are really real but it's almost like super real. 581 00:32:44,696 --> 00:32:47,033 - Harkens back to that original training 582 00:32:47,033 --> 00:32:49,035 of shooting real things. 583 00:32:50,602 --> 00:32:53,139 We look now at what's supposedly reality television 584 00:32:53,139 --> 00:32:56,975 and it's such bullshit, there's nothing real about that. 585 00:32:56,975 --> 00:33:00,579 - I think there is probably a 50/50 proposition 586 00:33:00,579 --> 00:33:03,349 in terms of who's getting across to the audience 587 00:33:03,349 --> 00:33:06,685 what's going on I think the actor provides 50% 588 00:33:06,685 --> 00:33:09,321 but without the correct camera angle, 589 00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:12,991 without the right lighting wat you're doing means nothing. 590 00:33:12,991 --> 00:33:15,994 - Cinematography like in printing is 591 00:33:17,329 --> 00:33:19,731 an expression in a single image. 592 00:33:19,731 --> 00:33:22,034 Cinematography needs the beginning 593 00:33:22,034 --> 00:33:25,071 and an evolution at the end. 594 00:33:25,071 --> 00:33:28,674 You should never forget the light this one 595 00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:31,577 is practically an energy, an energy 596 00:33:32,744 --> 00:33:35,881 arriving from that source to me. 597 00:33:35,881 --> 00:33:38,317 - In painting I love impressionists. 598 00:33:38,317 --> 00:33:41,453 And for me nothing else is as good as 599 00:33:41,453 --> 00:33:45,257 impressionistic painting so for me the style of 600 00:33:45,257 --> 00:33:49,228 what I call poetic reality is the style for movies. 601 00:33:49,228 --> 00:33:51,330 * I know that kind of man 602 00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:53,732 * It's hard to hold the hand of anyone 603 00:33:53,732 --> 00:33:55,167 * Whose reaching for the 604 00:33:55,167 --> 00:33:57,103 - I would say McCabe and Mrs. Miller 605 00:33:57,103 --> 00:34:01,207 was impressionistic in effort, was real at one time 606 00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:05,977 and now we are looking at that from a distance. 607 00:34:05,977 --> 00:34:09,014 * Why can't you feel that he was watching 608 00:34:09,014 --> 00:34:12,418 - I was asked to do that film before Warren Beatty 609 00:34:12,418 --> 00:34:14,320 was asked to do it and, 610 00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:21,093 I just was close to it I was flirting with it 611 00:34:21,093 --> 00:34:24,763 with Bob Altman and then we couldn't agree. 612 00:34:24,763 --> 00:34:27,599 We came to a disagreement however, 613 00:34:28,767 --> 00:34:31,837 cut to me seeing it and I'm looking at it 614 00:34:31,837 --> 00:34:35,941 and it's Vilmos's work that gets me into the film 615 00:34:37,309 --> 00:34:40,946 and it's the authenticity of it that makes it, 616 00:34:42,514 --> 00:34:45,451 makes everything believable and makes it remarkable. 617 00:34:45,451 --> 00:34:49,488 - Vilmos did such a fantastic job and it looked so 618 00:34:49,488 --> 00:34:51,757 historically accurate and Leon Ericksen 619 00:34:51,757 --> 00:34:53,159 who was the production designer 620 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:54,860 basically built the town from scratch. 621 00:34:54,860 --> 00:34:56,462 There was nothing there it was just 622 00:34:56,462 --> 00:34:58,630 a hillside when we moved up there. 623 00:34:58,630 --> 00:35:01,533 - Yeah looking at faded old antique images 624 00:35:01,533 --> 00:35:05,371 and decide to recreate a world which doesn't 625 00:35:05,371 --> 00:35:08,540 exist anymore but in those days it was real. 626 00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:11,042 - Anyway we present one part of our lives 627 00:35:11,042 --> 00:35:13,979 with him Vilmos Zsigmond started 628 00:35:13,979 --> 00:35:18,083 McCabe and Mrs. Miller how to get he was able 629 00:35:18,083 --> 00:35:23,088 to bring the Hungarian culture into United States. 630 00:35:24,323 --> 00:35:27,659 - So that was a challenge to do it 631 00:35:27,659 --> 00:35:31,830 and but luckily enough we found the right tools to do that, 632 00:35:33,265 --> 00:35:36,034 flashing the film, and pushing the film, 633 00:35:36,034 --> 00:35:39,137 we did everything to make it look old. 634 00:35:39,137 --> 00:35:42,007 - It kind of set the mark for a certain kind of 635 00:35:42,007 --> 00:35:46,512 grit in Western cinematography, it was terrific. 636 00:35:46,512 --> 00:35:49,648 - The film was largely shot in sequence. 637 00:35:49,648 --> 00:35:51,950 It had to be because things were being built, 638 00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:55,454 the town was supposedly going up around us, which it was. 639 00:35:55,454 --> 00:35:57,689 But they hade this early snow storm 640 00:35:57,689 --> 00:36:01,627 and Bob loved it and we shot like crazy 641 00:36:01,627 --> 00:36:03,495 for a few days until it all I believe 642 00:36:03,495 --> 00:36:04,896 if I remember correctly that it didn't 643 00:36:04,896 --> 00:36:08,667 stay around too long because it melted. 644 00:36:12,438 --> 00:36:14,406 - So we hiked through the woods all the way around 645 00:36:14,406 --> 00:36:16,975 to behind the set and came out of the bushes 646 00:36:16,975 --> 00:36:21,413 and here was this, this perfect Western town. 647 00:36:21,413 --> 00:36:23,549 So I was 14 it was like that's the job I want. 648 00:36:23,549 --> 00:36:27,886 I want that Vilmos guys job that is so cool. 649 00:36:27,886 --> 00:36:30,622 So cut to a year later the move finally comes out 650 00:36:30,622 --> 00:36:32,258 we have to lie about our age to get in. 651 00:36:32,258 --> 00:36:34,393 We're hearing about how it's got nudity in it 652 00:36:34,393 --> 00:36:35,961 and all this stuff which my friend Dave 653 00:36:35,961 --> 00:36:38,163 is very excited about, I just wanted to see 654 00:36:38,163 --> 00:36:39,931 what the pictures were gonna look like. 655 00:36:39,931 --> 00:36:41,967 And nothing could have prepared me 656 00:36:41,967 --> 00:36:45,704 for the difference between how that set looked 657 00:36:45,704 --> 00:36:47,506 and what that film looked like. 658 00:36:47,506 --> 00:36:49,174 And of course years later I read 659 00:36:49,174 --> 00:36:51,943 that he had flashed the film against the studios wishes, 660 00:36:51,943 --> 00:36:54,846 done all this other amazing stuff to it 661 00:36:54,846 --> 00:36:57,015 and it made me realize that you weren't just 662 00:36:57,015 --> 00:36:59,285 a guy taking pictures that that guy who 663 00:36:59,285 --> 00:37:01,853 I'd been admiring and watching work, 664 00:37:01,853 --> 00:37:03,922 really was a real artist. 665 00:37:03,922 --> 00:37:05,023 It's a stunning movie and I think 666 00:37:05,023 --> 00:37:08,627 it stands up perfectly well today. 667 00:37:16,001 --> 00:37:19,605 - Very exciting era when we did nothing but 668 00:37:20,772 --> 00:37:23,375 low budget movies, very simple movies. 669 00:37:23,375 --> 00:37:27,879 To think about Scarecrow, how simple that story is. 670 00:37:27,879 --> 00:37:31,517 Two hobos, we call them this hobos, 671 00:37:31,517 --> 00:37:34,520 they meet on the road, on the road side. 672 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,790 And two different totally opposite characters. 673 00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:43,161 And Pacino is playing one and Gene Hackman plays the other. 674 00:37:43,161 --> 00:37:45,664 In the beginning they hate each other. 675 00:37:45,664 --> 00:37:48,266 They just stopped on the road 676 00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:51,570 and then they continued together. 677 00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:56,542 And the whole movie is about how these two characters 678 00:37:56,542 --> 00:38:00,412 get closer together to the point that 679 00:38:00,412 --> 00:38:03,382 they cannot live without each other. 680 00:38:06,251 --> 00:38:08,019 - I get that cream. 681 00:38:09,821 --> 00:38:11,323 - Yeah some, not much. 682 00:38:11,323 --> 00:38:15,026 - That's okay because I got enough to get us started. 683 00:38:19,365 --> 00:38:21,633 - It's a beautiful story. 684 00:38:21,633 --> 00:38:23,869 You say they become brothers? 685 00:38:23,869 --> 00:38:26,538 - Well they become like brothers but 686 00:38:26,538 --> 00:38:29,841 it's a lot of humanity done in that 687 00:38:29,841 --> 00:38:32,778 each of them realize basically that 688 00:38:34,145 --> 00:38:38,149 to live the life lonely, alone is not really the answer 689 00:38:39,284 --> 00:38:42,253 and that probably got used to each other 690 00:38:42,253 --> 00:38:44,490 and then decide to help each other. 691 00:38:44,490 --> 00:38:47,726 And I thought it was a magnificent film 692 00:38:48,827 --> 00:38:51,029 of the days, those days. 693 00:38:51,029 --> 00:38:52,263 - Scarecrow is a film that maybe 694 00:38:52,263 --> 00:38:53,732 isn't mentioned as often as some of 695 00:38:53,732 --> 00:38:55,567 the other films that Vilmos worked on 696 00:38:55,567 --> 00:38:57,068 but is really a striking film. 697 00:38:57,068 --> 00:38:59,137 And if you just look at the credit sequence alone, 698 00:38:59,137 --> 00:39:03,241 you can see a real unique way of looking at landscape. 699 00:39:04,676 --> 00:39:06,512 - You know he learned how to light in a war zone. 700 00:39:06,512 --> 00:39:09,848 He was running through war with a camera. 701 00:39:09,848 --> 00:39:12,384 And that has sound and it has power. 702 00:39:12,384 --> 00:39:16,555 Light has quality to it that's not just visual, it's tonal. 703 00:39:20,025 --> 00:39:23,962 If you're really listening it has energy, 704 00:39:23,962 --> 00:39:27,032 it has sound, it has movement. 705 00:39:36,274 --> 00:39:38,276 We had girlfriends and so 706 00:39:38,276 --> 00:39:41,980 we're having our dinner and I told Vilmos I said 707 00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:45,417 tomorrow I'm going back to Hungary and get them out. 708 00:39:45,417 --> 00:39:46,652 - I said are you crazy I mean 709 00:39:46,652 --> 00:39:48,787 you just escaped from there, now you want 710 00:39:48,787 --> 00:39:51,623 to go back to Hungary and escape again? 711 00:39:51,623 --> 00:39:55,861 But he was in love with Agnes I mean that's, 712 00:39:55,861 --> 00:39:57,896 I could not talk to him about it. 713 00:39:57,896 --> 00:40:01,467 Also I was in love with my girlfriend Elizabeth. 714 00:40:01,467 --> 00:40:04,736 So I said but Laszlo if you make it back here 715 00:40:04,736 --> 00:40:09,174 I will be here exactly December 19 I will be here 716 00:40:09,174 --> 00:40:12,377 at five o'clock in the afternoon 717 00:40:12,377 --> 00:40:14,980 and you better be there I said. 718 00:40:14,980 --> 00:40:19,985 I took him to the border and I said goodbye to him 719 00:40:19,985 --> 00:40:22,921 and I thought I will never see him again. 720 00:40:22,921 --> 00:40:26,525 - I'm heading for my girlfriend's house and 721 00:40:27,959 --> 00:40:30,696 I knock on her door and her mother opens the door 722 00:40:30,696 --> 00:40:32,564 and then looks at me and says what are you doing here? 723 00:40:32,564 --> 00:40:35,066 She's already in Vienna. 724 00:40:35,066 --> 00:40:38,403 - And the problem was that by that time 725 00:40:38,403 --> 00:40:41,540 it was almost impossible to come to the border 726 00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:44,576 because the Russians controlled it. 727 00:40:44,576 --> 00:40:48,780 And for the last three days nobody came from Hungary. 728 00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:51,783 And that was the time that Laszlo should have arrived. 729 00:40:51,783 --> 00:40:55,420 - So okay the next thing I had to find Vilmos's girlfriend 730 00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:56,788 who is living the others side of 731 00:40:56,788 --> 00:40:59,991 the country near the Russian borders. 732 00:40:59,991 --> 00:41:04,095 So I hire a cab and arrive at her place and she's there. 733 00:41:07,866 --> 00:41:11,803 I'm here to pick you up and take you to Vienna. 734 00:41:11,803 --> 00:41:13,204 She says okay I'm gonna pack. 735 00:41:13,204 --> 00:41:15,607 I said no you're not packing you come as you are. 736 00:41:15,607 --> 00:41:17,976 Put some warm clothes on and we just leave. 737 00:41:17,976 --> 00:41:22,147 - Laszlo now was the expert how to go to West right. 738 00:41:22,147 --> 00:41:24,149 So he took my uncle. 739 00:41:24,149 --> 00:41:26,885 I said okay Uncle can you make the whole trip? 740 00:41:26,885 --> 00:41:29,621 He said oh yeah I'm okay I'm in good shape. 741 00:41:29,621 --> 00:41:31,523 - So I was still waiting there, waiting there. 742 00:41:31,523 --> 00:41:34,560 I go to a bar and it's eight o'clock now 743 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,996 and nobody's coming and then I really got 744 00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:41,800 very pessimistic about it started to drink 745 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,903 a little bit of butter palinka. 746 00:41:44,903 --> 00:41:48,073 And I got a little bit drunk you know. 747 00:41:49,541 --> 00:41:53,478 Far away you could see a low bare bulb. 748 00:41:53,478 --> 00:41:55,614 And I knew that that was Ocsa that was 749 00:41:55,614 --> 00:41:58,183 the church in a cemetery, and the the church 750 00:41:58,183 --> 00:42:00,686 had this little bare bulb in the front. 751 00:42:00,686 --> 00:42:02,954 And this light was getting closer and closer 752 00:42:02,954 --> 00:42:05,423 and you sort of could make out the tombstones. 753 00:42:05,423 --> 00:42:08,894 Very spooky because I knew that meant freedom. 754 00:42:08,894 --> 00:42:12,430 If I be under that bulb you know we got it made. 755 00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:14,299 And so we start walking. 756 00:42:14,299 --> 00:42:17,302 And we're walking we break this fence 757 00:42:17,302 --> 00:42:21,472 and right into the tombstones and I start yelling run. 758 00:42:23,341 --> 00:42:26,377 And we start zigzagging running running running running. 759 00:42:26,377 --> 00:42:27,979 - People are running out from the street 760 00:42:27,979 --> 00:42:30,015 into this bar and said hey they are coming, 761 00:42:30,015 --> 00:42:32,684 they are coming, there's 100 of them. 762 00:42:32,684 --> 00:42:34,319 So it's a bunch of people that night 763 00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:36,321 they made it to the border. 764 00:42:36,321 --> 00:42:39,658 - Door opens and Vilmos comes out 765 00:42:39,658 --> 00:42:42,761 and he looks at us and he says your late. 766 00:42:42,761 --> 00:42:44,796 - He said I'll be there at five o'clock right. 767 00:42:44,796 --> 00:42:48,667 So that was funny I mean he thought it was funny. 768 00:42:48,667 --> 00:42:50,736 - And Laszlo and Vilmos married their sweethearts 769 00:42:50,736 --> 00:42:53,271 in the church were they escaped. 770 00:42:53,271 --> 00:42:56,341 These guys were like yin and yang. 771 00:42:56,341 --> 00:42:58,944 Oh here this is the one I love. 772 00:43:00,979 --> 00:43:05,651 The knew the same thing, they had the same blood in them. 773 00:43:05,651 --> 00:43:08,887 They had the same education, they loved the same country, 774 00:43:08,887 --> 00:43:13,058 the same foods, the same life, and they had the same goal. 775 00:43:13,959 --> 00:43:16,227 How could you separate them? 776 00:43:22,367 --> 00:43:23,601 Look at that. 777 00:43:23,601 --> 00:43:26,037 I like that, I've never seen that one. 778 00:43:26,037 --> 00:43:28,106 Who the hell goes up on that thing like that? 779 00:43:28,106 --> 00:43:32,510 Laszlo would. 780 00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:36,982 - He was exceedingly inventive and it all comes from 781 00:43:36,982 --> 00:43:39,550 a life on the run from Hungary. 782 00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:44,089 - I got hold of a map of United States of America 783 00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:46,692 and looked at all the 48 states 784 00:43:48,459 --> 00:43:52,597 and tried to figure out how huge this country is. 785 00:43:52,597 --> 00:43:56,034 I thought the only way I'll be able to 786 00:43:56,034 --> 00:44:00,505 see the country if I sit in a bus in the front row 787 00:44:00,505 --> 00:44:03,008 and I have a window in front of me 788 00:44:03,008 --> 00:44:05,310 and I just gonna soak it up. 789 00:44:05,310 --> 00:44:09,480 And I tell you this was my first impression from America. 790 00:44:12,583 --> 00:44:16,154 And it was a devastatingly beautiful country. 791 00:44:16,154 --> 00:44:20,325 And subconsciously it left such impression in me forever 792 00:44:22,060 --> 00:44:24,730 that later on I didn't realize that 793 00:44:24,730 --> 00:44:27,498 I was able to use it in my movies. 794 00:44:27,498 --> 00:44:31,069 It taught me one major lesson that 795 00:44:31,069 --> 00:44:34,439 the environment, the background is so important, 796 00:44:34,439 --> 00:44:38,376 where you embedded the story and it has to be a 797 00:44:40,311 --> 00:44:43,548 third character because it tells 798 00:44:43,548 --> 00:44:46,684 so much about the people who live it. 799 00:44:46,684 --> 00:44:48,720 I think you have a visitor here. 800 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,021 It's Karen Black. 801 00:44:50,021 --> 00:44:53,324 - Oh my God Karen sweetheart. - Hello sweetie. 802 00:44:54,192 --> 00:44:55,626 How are you? 803 00:44:55,626 --> 00:44:59,330 I tell you Five Easy Pieces you're incredible, 804 00:44:59,330 --> 00:45:03,434 your character and the way you played it, it was so perfect. 805 00:45:05,103 --> 00:45:09,274 * For that old familiar glow you'll be 806 00:45:12,310 --> 00:45:13,644 - I love it. 807 00:45:13,644 --> 00:45:15,781 - You want me to hold the chicken huh? 808 00:45:15,781 --> 00:45:18,449 - I want you to hold it between your knees. 809 00:45:22,754 --> 00:45:24,189 Guess you all have to leave I'm not taking 810 00:45:24,189 --> 00:45:27,458 any more of your smartness and sarcasm. 811 00:45:31,662 --> 00:45:35,600 - Yeah this was Eugene, Oregon as we were leaving 812 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,269 the town for the next location. 813 00:45:38,269 --> 00:45:40,839 Which we actually had a system 814 00:45:40,839 --> 00:45:42,941 that we were moving in a caravan. 815 00:45:42,941 --> 00:45:46,812 So if I found something interesting on the road 816 00:45:46,812 --> 00:45:49,781 that it would be good for some of the scenes 817 00:45:49,781 --> 00:45:52,483 I would pull over from the highway 818 00:45:52,483 --> 00:45:54,519 and they figured that it's gonna be 819 00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:58,256 something short and interesting and improvised. 820 00:45:58,256 --> 00:46:00,992 - Laszlo had to improvise and tape things together, 821 00:46:00,992 --> 00:46:03,328 tape lights on the outside of the cars. 822 00:46:03,328 --> 00:46:05,396 Once we stopped in the woods. 823 00:46:05,396 --> 00:46:08,967 He went in the woods and grabbed this old rotten log. 824 00:46:08,967 --> 00:46:11,202 - Tied some shoe leather around it 825 00:46:11,202 --> 00:46:14,705 and some shoe laces and attached the camera to it 826 00:46:14,705 --> 00:46:16,441 so he could shoot through the window. 827 00:46:16,441 --> 00:46:18,476 There's still termites coming out of it. 828 00:46:18,476 --> 00:46:21,412 - Termites oh my God good old days. 829 00:46:22,848 --> 00:46:24,816 You see this is what happens when you don't have money 830 00:46:24,816 --> 00:46:28,686 and you don't have the time and you have to get the shots. 831 00:46:28,686 --> 00:46:32,858 You really improvise and you have to save the day. 832 00:46:34,259 --> 00:46:38,163 - Certain camera men are able to create an atmosphere 833 00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:45,103 on the set that is quiet and efficient and 834 00:46:47,172 --> 00:46:51,609 loving and caring, not only about the movie, 835 00:46:51,609 --> 00:46:54,045 but about the people who are making 836 00:46:54,045 --> 00:46:57,315 the movie, the director and the actors, 837 00:46:57,315 --> 00:47:01,086 there's something that Laszlo had in this area 838 00:47:02,553 --> 00:47:06,157 where the actors embraced him and he embraced them. 839 00:47:07,993 --> 00:47:11,296 - It was like a most incredible blue 840 00:47:11,296 --> 00:47:15,800 and Bob said listen let's do the scene here. 841 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,738 I said Bob hold it hold it, can I suggest something? 842 00:47:20,738 --> 00:47:24,309 Why don't we put Susan against the ocean 843 00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:26,744 and Jack facing her you know? 844 00:47:28,513 --> 00:47:31,349 And look at the water and look at her eye. 845 00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:34,552 Her eye is exactly the same color as the water. 846 00:47:34,552 --> 00:47:37,155 Let's shoot here closeup first. 847 00:47:39,024 --> 00:47:43,628 Oh there's the director looking through the camera. 848 00:47:43,628 --> 00:47:46,131 Using the wrong eye. 849 00:47:46,131 --> 00:47:48,934 - He used to have strapped on the camera right over here 850 00:47:48,934 --> 00:47:52,170 Laszlo's violin, did you ever see that? 851 00:47:54,940 --> 00:47:56,641 You pompous bastard. 852 00:47:56,641 --> 00:47:58,944 But look how handsome he was. 853 00:47:58,944 --> 00:48:00,878 I was lucky to have him. 854 00:48:03,481 --> 00:48:05,650 He's lucky to have me too. 855 00:48:06,817 --> 00:48:08,920 - It's fantastic that people are beginning 856 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,991 to make inquiries into who the people are behind the camera. 857 00:48:12,991 --> 00:48:16,027 Like these two Hungarian guys who escaped 858 00:48:16,027 --> 00:48:19,297 from Hungary, lived in exile in America 859 00:48:20,498 --> 00:48:22,833 and changed the face of American cinema. 860 00:48:22,833 --> 00:48:26,604 - I first met Vilmos it was in 1971 I believe 861 00:48:29,707 --> 00:48:31,342 for Deliverance. 862 00:48:31,342 --> 00:48:34,345 He didn't look like anything from our industry. 863 00:48:34,345 --> 00:48:37,182 He had this wonderful I don't know 864 00:48:38,649 --> 00:48:42,653 rough-hewn kind of thing and if I saw him today, 865 00:48:44,822 --> 00:48:47,725 he would look the same he doesn't change, Vilmos. 866 00:48:47,725 --> 00:48:50,395 He could still climb Kilimanjaro. 867 00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:55,633 - John Boorman was thinking about doing this movie 868 00:48:55,633 --> 00:48:59,037 and he saw my dailies of McCabe and Mrs. Miller 869 00:48:59,037 --> 00:49:02,707 and said wow this is really something great. 870 00:49:02,707 --> 00:49:05,076 And if a cinematographer can do that, 871 00:49:05,076 --> 00:49:07,578 I know that he can do my movie. 872 00:49:07,578 --> 00:49:09,680 - When I Vilmos he was tough and wiry 873 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,618 and the guy I needed 'cause this was gonna be tough. 874 00:49:13,618 --> 00:49:15,987 Shooting this picture on this raging river 875 00:49:15,987 --> 00:49:19,157 in very very difficult circumstances 876 00:49:19,157 --> 00:49:21,392 where you couldn't have the kind of backup 877 00:49:21,392 --> 00:49:25,963 that a camera man would normally expect to have. 878 00:49:25,963 --> 00:49:29,000 John Boorman was so great to working. 879 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,868 I learned so much from him. 880 00:49:33,304 --> 00:49:35,840 Vilmos would be almost the first one in the water. 881 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,942 And then we would be in the canoes 882 00:49:37,942 --> 00:49:39,277 and sometimes it was pretty hairy 883 00:49:39,277 --> 00:49:42,947 I mean it was pretty dangerous for all of us, 884 00:49:42,947 --> 00:49:45,983 because if the canoes went out of control 885 00:49:45,983 --> 00:49:47,785 and the camera was in the water 886 00:49:47,785 --> 00:49:49,320 that would be dangerous of course. 887 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:50,921 - So when you travel boat to boat 888 00:49:50,921 --> 00:49:52,857 it's not giving you much film. 889 00:49:52,857 --> 00:49:57,028 But when you actually do your long lenses it went very fast. 890 00:50:00,865 --> 00:50:02,933 - When you get four young guys 891 00:50:02,933 --> 00:50:04,469 and one of them is Burt Reynolds 892 00:50:04,469 --> 00:50:07,004 you just are tempted to do your own stunts 893 00:50:07,004 --> 00:50:09,740 because Burt young Reynolds was a stunt man. 894 00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:12,110 So our hope that the actors are going 895 00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:14,945 to be able to do their own stunts. 896 00:50:16,114 --> 00:50:19,717 And because I had an ego, a male ego, 897 00:50:19,717 --> 00:50:21,319 and because I had a girlfriend down there 898 00:50:21,319 --> 00:50:24,589 I had to do my own stunts and almost killed myself. 899 00:50:24,589 --> 00:50:27,825 And they, they did everything in the movie. 900 00:50:27,825 --> 00:50:31,396 - There are many sequences that are done in one take, 901 00:50:31,396 --> 00:50:35,933 long takes where people come in and out of foreground, 902 00:50:35,933 --> 00:50:39,670 background where focuses turn to bring 903 00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:43,374 a person into the scene in the background. 904 00:50:43,374 --> 00:50:45,310 And the camera just stays in one place 905 00:50:45,310 --> 00:50:47,912 and moves, or the camera moves. 906 00:50:47,912 --> 00:50:50,548 When we meet the mountain men who are these 907 00:50:50,548 --> 00:50:52,650 villainous characters that come out of the woods 908 00:50:52,650 --> 00:50:55,153 it's a scary scary moment in the film. 909 00:50:55,153 --> 00:50:57,122 Perhaps it's the key moment in the film. 910 00:50:57,122 --> 00:50:59,990 And they say where are you going? 911 00:50:59,990 --> 00:51:02,026 And they said well we're going up to Antree. 912 00:51:02,026 --> 00:51:05,363 He says Antree, you can't get to Antree. 913 00:51:06,497 --> 00:51:09,234 - You done taken a wrong turn. 914 00:51:09,234 --> 00:51:13,338 See this here river don't go nowhere near Antree. 915 00:51:19,043 --> 00:51:22,280 - Ned gets scared and I'm trying to rationalize 916 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,383 with this guy and then this other guy 917 00:51:25,383 --> 00:51:27,418 with the gun points the gun at one point. 918 00:51:27,418 --> 00:51:31,856 Well it's a big long sequence to get us up into the woods 919 00:51:31,856 --> 00:51:36,627 and storytelling wise everything turns in that sequence. 920 00:51:36,627 --> 00:51:38,696 Your camera doesn't move, 921 00:51:39,564 --> 00:51:40,998 and all that goes on is there's 922 00:51:40,998 --> 00:51:43,234 a slight panning of the camera 923 00:51:43,234 --> 00:51:47,405 and a switch of focus and we have four people in the scene. 924 00:51:47,405 --> 00:51:51,409 And when the camera, when we leave that sequence 925 00:51:52,777 --> 00:51:54,912 we go up into the woods and they 926 00:51:54,912 --> 00:51:58,249 tie me to a tree it's all the same take. 927 00:52:00,318 --> 00:52:03,154 - He got a real pretty mouth ain't he? 928 00:52:03,154 --> 00:52:06,291 - And you will see that those daring kinds of things 929 00:52:06,291 --> 00:52:08,693 were done continuously during that film 930 00:52:08,693 --> 00:52:11,229 and that's why it's remarkable. 931 00:52:16,301 --> 00:52:18,303 - Here hold that on him. 932 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,011 - It was forceful, it was powerful, it was jaw drop. 933 00:52:28,279 --> 00:52:31,616 * Now when I was a young boy 934 00:52:31,616 --> 00:52:34,685 * At the age of five 935 00:52:35,553 --> 00:52:38,589 * My mother said I'm gonna be 936 00:52:38,589 --> 00:52:40,958 And I'm sure both of them told you when they 937 00:52:40,958 --> 00:52:43,261 enrolled in the film school in Hungary 938 00:52:43,261 --> 00:52:45,162 that they weren't allowed to touch a camera 939 00:52:45,162 --> 00:52:47,665 or look at film the first year. 940 00:52:47,665 --> 00:52:51,001 They painted and they listened to music. 941 00:52:52,203 --> 00:52:54,572 Laszlo and Vilmos could produce 942 00:52:54,572 --> 00:52:58,643 a big color extravaganza like New York New York 943 00:52:58,643 --> 00:53:02,347 or like Nickelodeon and also make Easy Rider. 944 00:53:05,216 --> 00:53:07,318 - They weren't allowed to watch Western films 945 00:53:07,318 --> 00:53:10,054 and that with none of the communist officials around 946 00:53:10,054 --> 00:53:12,423 usually on a Saturday, the teacher told them 947 00:53:12,423 --> 00:53:16,160 they could look at the film but not to listen to it. 948 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,497 And Laszlo particularly told me that Gregg Toland, 949 00:53:19,497 --> 00:53:23,668 watching Gregg's Citizen Kane changed his visual grammar. 950 00:53:24,869 --> 00:53:26,237 They were shooting very naturalistic, 951 00:53:26,237 --> 00:53:27,738 they were finding the light instead of 952 00:53:27,738 --> 00:53:30,708 concentrating on making everybody look beautiful. 953 00:53:30,708 --> 00:53:33,478 The excitement of the 50's produced 954 00:53:33,478 --> 00:53:37,815 in a certain way the 60's which began to be revolutionary. 955 00:53:37,815 --> 00:53:40,285 - Somehow with Laszlo and many of 956 00:53:40,285 --> 00:53:43,988 the contemporary American photography 957 00:53:43,988 --> 00:53:46,291 we were the new generation here in America. 958 00:53:46,291 --> 00:53:49,360 And we just fell into it by accident, 959 00:53:50,528 --> 00:53:52,663 by being at the right time in the right place. 960 00:53:52,663 --> 00:53:54,231 - They've influenced filmmakers 961 00:53:54,231 --> 00:53:57,067 in every part of the world without knowing. 962 00:53:57,067 --> 00:53:59,637 I mean I've heard that so many times. 963 00:53:59,637 --> 00:54:02,907 They once asked their mentor George Elaus 964 00:54:02,907 --> 00:54:05,075 how can we ever pay you, repay you for what you did? 965 00:54:05,075 --> 00:54:07,612 And he says help other young people. 966 00:54:07,612 --> 00:54:10,348 And they started this summer workshop for two weeks 967 00:54:10,348 --> 00:54:12,550 every other summer and they took turns 968 00:54:12,550 --> 00:54:15,252 going sometimes they went together. 969 00:54:15,252 --> 00:54:19,156 So we tried to fill that void and 970 00:54:19,156 --> 00:54:22,327 doing the master class about lighting. 971 00:54:23,761 --> 00:54:25,996 And only for young cinematographers 972 00:54:25,996 --> 00:54:28,399 selected from all over the world. 973 00:54:28,399 --> 00:54:31,702 And unfortunately Vilmos is not available. 974 00:54:31,702 --> 00:54:35,873 He's on a film, he got stuck on his in North Carolina. 975 00:54:38,409 --> 00:54:41,412 - Oh wow, oh wow, oh God this is it. 976 00:54:44,281 --> 00:54:47,685 This is like the best idea with landings. 977 00:54:50,921 --> 00:54:53,424 It's like being up in the moon. 978 00:54:53,424 --> 00:54:56,226 - We were looking for cinematographers 979 00:54:56,226 --> 00:54:58,896 and his agent called us and said 980 00:54:58,896 --> 00:55:01,499 you know I think Vilmos Zsigmond 981 00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:06,136 would be interested in shooting these films. 982 00:55:06,136 --> 00:55:10,307 After they resuscitated me I said well how old is Vilmos? 983 00:55:14,011 --> 00:55:18,148 And she said kid he's gonna work your ass into the ground. 984 00:55:18,148 --> 00:55:20,451 - Here's a man left a beautiful wife 985 00:55:20,451 --> 00:55:23,354 and he's not get paid and he's here 986 00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:28,526 to share his knowledge, Vilmos Zsigmond thank you. 987 00:55:28,526 --> 00:55:30,928 It's all yours sir, all yours. 988 00:55:36,066 --> 00:55:38,002 - To correct his English though better I didn't-- 989 00:55:40,438 --> 00:55:41,706 I didn't leave my wife. 990 00:55:45,142 --> 00:55:48,413 I left her home but I didn't leave her. 991 00:55:49,547 --> 00:55:51,281 - This is what they do for students. 992 00:55:51,281 --> 00:55:53,384 Any time I would call upon them or anybody else 993 00:55:53,384 --> 00:55:56,286 call upon them, there wasn't any hesitation. 994 00:55:56,286 --> 00:55:57,855 - He never forgot where we came from. 995 00:55:57,855 --> 00:55:59,890 He always reached out to young people. 996 00:55:59,890 --> 00:56:01,626 He inspired them with his work. 997 00:56:01,626 --> 00:56:04,695 He inspired them, I remember going back one year, 998 00:56:04,695 --> 00:56:06,664 it was six or seven years ago, 999 00:56:06,664 --> 00:56:09,567 it was like I was walking with the King of Hungary. 1000 00:56:09,567 --> 00:56:11,368 People would come up on the streets, 1001 00:56:11,368 --> 00:56:13,170 and not necessarily filmmakers, 1002 00:56:13,170 --> 00:56:15,940 and they would have old articles in magazines, 1003 00:56:15,940 --> 00:56:18,208 some of them I had written, some other people had written, 1004 00:56:18,208 --> 00:56:20,010 that they had gotten during the cold war. 1005 00:56:20,010 --> 00:56:24,181 - You know there's a master class is gonna be in August. 1006 00:56:26,116 --> 00:56:30,254 Two weeks master class and Vilmos and usually myself. 1007 00:56:30,254 --> 00:56:31,388 In Hungary? 1008 00:56:31,388 --> 00:56:32,857 - Yeah, Budapest. - Oh okay. 1009 00:56:32,857 --> 00:56:34,925 - I don't know I mean this is very interesting lighting. 1010 00:56:34,925 --> 00:56:39,029 I mean I never would do anything like this in my life. 1011 00:56:39,029 --> 00:56:43,000 I hope it's gonna be very interesting because 1012 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,204 I never used green light for a moon, I never did that. 1013 00:56:47,204 --> 00:56:49,239 I like to know when people are courageous 1014 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,610 and try something even if it's wrong. 1015 00:56:52,610 --> 00:56:54,945 It's the only way you can learn. 1016 00:56:54,945 --> 00:56:58,015 And he learned that filmmaking is an art 1017 00:56:58,015 --> 00:57:01,051 and it's a form, everyone is different. 1018 00:57:01,051 --> 00:57:02,887 You can't copy somebody else. 1019 00:57:02,887 --> 00:57:05,723 - They learned how to things economically. 1020 00:57:05,723 --> 00:57:08,726 And also learned how to be associated 1021 00:57:08,726 --> 00:57:11,796 with subject matter which is interesting. 1022 00:57:11,796 --> 00:57:14,799 - Vilmos almost seem to smell light. 1023 00:57:16,467 --> 00:57:19,003 When you're on a set with Vilmos it's like, 1024 00:57:19,003 --> 00:57:22,473 it's like a great chef as he walks around 1025 00:57:22,473 --> 00:57:26,143 and he looks, 'cause I used to watch him look it was fun 1026 00:57:26,143 --> 00:57:28,613 with this then you see as he's 1027 00:57:28,613 --> 00:57:32,082 moving around with the actors and the shot. 1028 00:57:32,082 --> 00:57:33,951 - Letters to persuade a man to close a deal 1029 00:57:33,951 --> 00:57:36,854 or leave a job or sell out on his brother. 1030 00:57:36,854 --> 00:57:39,824 - When it's Vilmos Zsigmond footage against others 1031 00:57:39,824 --> 00:57:42,459 you know it and you just, you see it. 1032 00:57:49,133 --> 00:57:53,303 - Who actually made the contract to kill the President? 1033 00:57:56,507 --> 00:57:59,143 - That for me has always been a mystery, I don't know. 1034 00:57:59,143 --> 00:58:01,211 - And in a culture that for the most part 1035 00:58:01,211 --> 00:58:05,616 turns it's back on art they managed to survive 1036 00:58:05,616 --> 00:58:09,787 and they managed to keep their eye on the sparrow. 1037 00:58:16,393 --> 00:58:19,897 - Wanted Frances to have this crisp look. 1038 00:58:19,897 --> 00:58:23,568 And that's, Laszlo had done it again on Fist 1039 00:58:25,002 --> 00:58:27,772 which again had this very sharp perceptive look to it. 1040 00:58:27,772 --> 00:58:29,607 - After slamming through the house 1041 00:58:29,607 --> 00:58:34,378 breathless and panicky from searching I could stop... 1042 00:58:34,378 --> 00:58:36,080 - Goodnight Princess. 1043 00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,148 - It was tough, a tough movie for her to do. 1044 00:58:38,148 --> 00:58:41,318 And the whole crew just gave her space 1045 00:58:42,486 --> 00:58:45,890 and let her inhabit this role because 1046 00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:49,226 more than any other she needed to be Francis 1047 00:58:49,226 --> 00:58:51,962 whether she was on camera or not. 1048 00:58:53,397 --> 00:58:56,000 I had an absolute dream team on this movie. 1049 00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,170 I had Laszlo, Dick Sylbert was the Production Designer. 1050 00:59:00,170 --> 00:59:04,241 And John Barry composed a beautiful score. 1051 00:59:04,241 --> 00:59:06,877 In typical Laszlo fashion he used the makeup 1052 00:59:06,877 --> 00:59:10,347 and hair tests for lighting experimentations. 1053 00:59:10,347 --> 00:59:12,549 And Jessica also used that time 1054 00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:15,886 to work on the early stages of her character. 1055 00:59:15,886 --> 00:59:19,223 I like to let actors go beyond the point 1056 00:59:20,357 --> 00:59:23,027 at which they think they should. 1057 00:59:24,228 --> 00:59:28,098 And I always say that I will protect you 1058 00:59:28,098 --> 00:59:30,500 and I'll tell you when it's too much 1059 00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:32,369 or when you're going over the top 1060 00:59:32,369 --> 00:59:35,372 and it won't be in the movie. 1061 00:59:35,372 --> 00:59:38,142 And they just, obviously the actor has to trust you. 1062 00:59:38,142 --> 00:59:41,946 There has to be trust going both ways here. 1063 00:59:41,946 --> 00:59:44,782 And the same trust is between 1064 00:59:44,782 --> 00:59:47,584 the actress and the cinematographer. 1065 00:59:47,584 --> 00:59:51,956 Jessica trusted Laszlo implicitly and felt very safe there. 1066 00:59:56,260 --> 00:59:57,862 She was in fact half the time afraid 1067 00:59:57,862 --> 00:59:59,697 if she was gonna look too good. 1068 00:59:59,697 --> 01:00:02,833 And so for a cinematographer that's a challenge 1069 01:00:02,833 --> 01:00:04,201 because you still have to make 1070 01:00:04,201 --> 01:00:07,504 the actress look appealing and attractive. 1071 01:00:11,208 --> 01:00:14,645 Who is it? 1072 01:00:16,747 --> 01:00:18,582 - You've got no right! 1073 01:00:19,950 --> 01:00:21,652 He cared about the movies he made. 1074 01:00:21,652 --> 01:00:24,621 He cared about the story and he cared 1075 01:00:24,621 --> 01:00:26,590 about the characters and it wasn't just 1076 01:00:26,590 --> 01:00:28,926 a matter of making the stuff look good. 1077 01:00:28,926 --> 01:00:31,729 It was a matter of did we tell the story right? 1078 01:00:31,729 --> 01:00:33,230 - I'd like a wake up call. 1079 01:00:33,230 --> 01:00:36,033 - I think he got relationship on Jessica. 1080 01:00:36,033 --> 01:00:38,769 He admired her beyond words but I think 1081 01:00:38,769 --> 01:00:40,838 the film was hard on his heart. 1082 01:00:40,838 --> 01:00:43,507 - In plane language my icepick technique 1083 01:00:43,507 --> 01:00:46,176 severs the nerves that deliver 1084 01:00:46,176 --> 01:00:48,746 emotional energy through ideas. 1085 01:00:50,114 --> 01:00:53,050 However, this patient here 1086 01:00:53,050 --> 01:00:56,653 will soon be leaving the hospital. 1087 01:00:56,653 --> 01:00:58,655 Lobotomy gets them home. 1088 01:01:00,257 --> 01:01:01,425 - When they were walking down the street 1089 01:01:01,425 --> 01:01:04,228 at the end we wondered how Francis was. 1090 01:01:04,228 --> 01:01:05,830 The camera was in front of them. 1091 01:01:05,830 --> 01:01:07,497 You know it wasn't a pretty shot 1092 01:01:07,497 --> 01:01:11,235 and it wasn't a long shot and it wasn't this. 1093 01:01:13,203 --> 01:01:14,204 It was here. 1094 01:01:16,273 --> 01:01:20,444 So it's over, they'll never be together it's over. 1095 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,649 We don't need this anymore. 1096 01:01:25,649 --> 01:01:28,218 It's just where the story is, he goes there. 1097 01:01:28,218 --> 01:01:29,954 - Towards the end of the movie Laszlo took 1098 01:01:29,954 --> 01:01:32,622 all of the light out of Jessica's eyes 1099 01:01:32,622 --> 01:01:35,592 so that she looked dead even when she wasn't. 1100 01:01:40,831 --> 01:01:43,934 - Were illusionists and we got to create an illusion 1101 01:01:43,934 --> 01:01:46,937 from love, laughter, fear, whatever. 1102 01:01:48,138 --> 01:01:51,909 And the cameraman, the DP is the one can either 1103 01:01:53,110 --> 01:01:55,179 bring it visually to the screen 1104 01:01:55,179 --> 01:01:58,248 the way you want it and then some 1105 01:01:58,248 --> 01:02:00,751 or it can be destroyed by them. 1106 01:02:00,751 --> 01:02:04,889 Radio Flyer was a picture I needed a very special team on. 1107 01:02:06,723 --> 01:02:10,227 And first name that came to mind, who am I, 1108 01:02:10,227 --> 01:02:12,930 Vilmos Laszlo, Vilmos Laszlo, Vilmos Laszlo, 1109 01:02:12,930 --> 01:02:15,499 who am I gonna, it's gonna be one of those two. 1110 01:02:15,499 --> 01:02:18,102 - But all it took I think is their relationships 1111 01:02:18,102 --> 01:02:19,636 to certain directors, if certain directors 1112 01:02:19,636 --> 01:02:21,005 liked what they were doing they could 1113 01:02:21,005 --> 01:02:22,873 continue working on big pictures. 1114 01:02:22,873 --> 01:02:24,641 I was lucky that Steven maybe must 1115 01:02:24,641 --> 01:02:26,977 have seen some of my earlier movies. 1116 01:02:26,977 --> 01:02:29,346 - I remember saying to him there's this guy 1117 01:02:29,346 --> 01:02:32,382 Vilmos Zsigmond you've got to see his work. 1118 01:02:32,382 --> 01:02:36,753 And there's a scene, Vilmos is wrapped around the camera 1119 01:02:36,753 --> 01:02:39,723 and is doing a 360 degree pan inside 1120 01:02:39,723 --> 01:02:42,827 the sheriff's car and there's dialogue going on 1121 01:02:42,827 --> 01:02:45,796 with another sheriff's car that's pulling up alongside. 1122 01:02:45,796 --> 01:02:48,098 Get on back there I'll shoot him in the head. 1123 01:02:48,098 --> 01:02:49,867 Vilmos almost exactly 1124 01:02:49,867 --> 01:02:52,302 what Steven Spielberg needed. 1125 01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:55,940 - Well here again you have a great emerging talent, 1126 01:02:55,940 --> 01:02:59,276 he's got a solid script, he's got good young actors. 1127 01:02:59,276 --> 01:03:02,847 And he's got a great collaborator behind the camera. 1128 01:03:02,847 --> 01:03:06,216 And they want together to tell this tale, 1129 01:03:06,216 --> 01:03:08,018 not the way it would have been shot 1130 01:03:08,018 --> 01:03:10,855 in 1938 or '48 or '58 or even '68. 1131 01:03:17,594 --> 01:03:20,497 - And you could see not only say the formation 1132 01:03:20,497 --> 01:03:23,233 of Vilmos' style but you certainly 1133 01:03:23,233 --> 01:03:26,770 could see Stephen's ability to stage the camera. 1134 01:03:26,770 --> 01:03:29,539 And I thought they had an amazing 1135 01:03:29,539 --> 01:03:32,376 experience together in that movie. 1136 01:03:32,376 --> 01:03:36,313 - We probably painted but our hand is basically 1137 01:03:38,515 --> 01:03:40,750 controlled by many many many people 1138 01:03:40,750 --> 01:03:43,787 like the director, like the production designer, 1139 01:03:43,787 --> 01:03:46,290 the editor so many many people 1140 01:03:48,458 --> 01:03:51,261 holding that hand which held the brush. 1141 01:04:34,371 --> 01:04:37,341 - A lot of people know how much Vilmos and Laszlo 1142 01:04:37,341 --> 01:04:41,511 have influenced filmmaking but they don't understand 1143 01:04:41,511 --> 01:04:44,781 maybe the back side of what they did which was 1144 01:04:44,781 --> 01:04:49,053 try to help us get the appreciation factor out there. 1145 01:04:49,053 --> 01:04:52,456 We asked for the credit to be moved up adjacent 1146 01:04:52,456 --> 01:04:54,891 to the writer, producer, director. 1147 01:04:54,891 --> 01:04:56,994 Our agent did that. 1148 01:04:56,994 --> 01:05:01,231 Jason Smith who before him there was no agency for us. 1149 01:05:01,231 --> 01:05:05,402 - Had a beach place for part of that period of time. 1150 01:05:06,536 --> 01:05:08,605 And every Sunday we just had an open house. 1151 01:05:08,605 --> 01:05:10,307 And so you had all these great camera men 1152 01:05:10,307 --> 01:05:12,809 who were really changing the look of our movies. 1153 01:05:12,809 --> 01:05:16,947 Guys like Connie Hall, Haskell Wexler, Bill Fraker, 1154 01:05:16,947 --> 01:05:20,250 Owen Roizman, John Alonzo, Billy Williams, 1155 01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:23,920 Gordon Willis, and of course Vittorio Storaro. 1156 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:28,092 We were dealing with how to deal with the future. 1157 01:05:29,526 --> 01:05:33,563 - Discuss what they wanted and felt we could do 1158 01:05:33,563 --> 01:05:37,334 to help advance the recognition of cameramen. 1159 01:05:38,969 --> 01:05:41,671 TWA 471 contact on one three-- 1160 01:05:41,671 --> 01:05:43,773 - Great thing about Close Encounters as far as I know 1161 01:05:43,773 --> 01:05:48,345 it's the first example where we've had something popular 1162 01:05:48,345 --> 01:05:52,516 like movies where these creatures from outer space 1163 01:05:53,883 --> 01:05:55,252 are not only smarter than we are 1164 01:05:55,252 --> 01:05:56,786 but they were not a threat to us. 1165 01:05:59,456 --> 01:06:01,725 That was the beauty of that to discover that 1166 01:06:01,725 --> 01:06:06,063 we don't need to be fearful of what we don't know. 1167 01:06:06,063 --> 01:06:08,298 In our politics country to country 1168 01:06:08,298 --> 01:06:11,568 the fear element begins to affect 1169 01:06:11,568 --> 01:06:13,670 all of our thinking and all of our responses. 1170 01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:17,441 - It's a $2500 globe what are you guys doing? 1171 01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:22,846 - Close Encounters was probably 1172 01:06:22,846 --> 01:06:26,616 the biggest lighting challenge in my life. 1173 01:06:33,090 --> 01:06:35,092 When we started the movie we thought 1174 01:06:35,092 --> 01:06:38,428 that we are making a low budget movie 1175 01:06:38,428 --> 01:06:42,599 mostly documentary style and in fact Steven Spielberg 1176 01:06:44,268 --> 01:06:47,671 wanted to do that movie on 16 millimeter 1177 01:06:47,671 --> 01:06:50,340 with maybe a budget of $600,000. 1178 01:06:52,242 --> 01:06:54,311 And then it started to get bigger. 1179 01:06:54,311 --> 01:06:57,147 He got stars like Richard Dreyfuss 1180 01:06:57,147 --> 01:07:00,117 who wanted to do the movie. 1181 01:07:00,117 --> 01:07:03,820 And Steven's writing became more complicated, 1182 01:07:04,988 --> 01:07:07,324 more interesting, he did more research 1183 01:07:07,324 --> 01:07:11,095 about aliens and space ships and all that. 1184 01:07:11,095 --> 01:07:14,264 So the budget started to go up and up and up and up. 1185 01:07:14,264 --> 01:07:17,267 - The set was so big that you couldn't 1186 01:07:17,267 --> 01:07:20,104 stand in the middle and shout to the edges and be heard. 1187 01:07:20,104 --> 01:07:24,174 And I said when are we going to light this place? 1188 01:07:24,174 --> 01:07:26,110 And they said what do you mean lighting this place? 1189 01:07:26,110 --> 01:07:26,943 It's lit. 1190 01:07:28,112 --> 01:07:31,548 Lit by what, those stadium lights? 1191 01:07:31,548 --> 01:07:34,518 And said what, that's not enough? 1192 01:07:34,518 --> 01:07:36,853 How about the buildings? 1193 01:07:36,853 --> 01:07:38,822 The buildings inside? 1194 01:07:38,822 --> 01:07:40,757 Said well we have light bulbs. 1195 01:07:40,757 --> 01:07:45,462 The screw the light bulbs you can change them from bigger. 1196 01:07:45,462 --> 01:07:47,964 I said but Steven don't you think that 1197 01:07:47,964 --> 01:07:51,801 we should light this like it was a movie? 1198 01:07:51,801 --> 01:07:54,037 And they just looked at me like I was stupid. 1199 01:07:54,037 --> 01:07:55,772 What are you talking about? 1200 01:07:55,772 --> 01:07:57,341 They said what do you mean by that? 1201 01:07:57,341 --> 01:08:00,577 Well you know like light coming through the doors, 1202 01:08:00,577 --> 01:08:05,282 light coming through the windows, like a movie. 1203 01:08:07,684 --> 01:08:11,020 - Well in Close Encounters in the script of the film 1204 01:08:11,020 --> 01:08:13,823 Steven and I guess his writers had the idea that 1205 01:08:13,823 --> 01:08:17,894 there should be some kind of oral communication 1206 01:08:17,894 --> 01:08:19,829 with the arriving extra terrestrial. 1207 01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:22,399 What I discovered that more than five notes, 1208 01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:26,603 six or seven could become a melody more naturally than five. 1209 01:08:26,603 --> 01:08:28,104 So I kept saying to Steven maybe if I could have 1210 01:08:28,104 --> 01:08:30,240 a note or two more, no no it should only be five. 1211 01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:31,708 Be five fingers and it had something 1212 01:08:31,708 --> 01:08:35,712 to do with this Cordei who was also Hungarian I believe. 1213 01:08:40,684 --> 01:08:41,651 - Let's go. 1214 01:08:58,302 --> 01:09:01,305 - Well Vilmos got in trouble every time he turned around. 1215 01:09:01,305 --> 01:09:05,475 And he became, literally became the scapegoat in the movie. 1216 01:09:06,343 --> 01:09:09,078 He went forward at all cost. 1217 01:09:09,078 --> 01:09:12,849 - And after awhile I got into trouble because 1218 01:09:13,950 --> 01:09:15,619 everything was blamed on me of course. 1219 01:09:15,619 --> 01:09:17,221 Who can they blame it on? 1220 01:09:17,221 --> 01:09:19,289 They cannot blame it on Steven. 1221 01:09:19,289 --> 01:09:23,360 - He was fired I think five times on that movie. 1222 01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:24,794 Julia Phillips fired him. 1223 01:09:24,794 --> 01:09:26,530 I think Steven fired him at one point. 1224 01:09:26,530 --> 01:09:30,099 The studio fired, his gaffer had him fired. 1225 01:09:30,099 --> 01:09:31,935 - All the cinematographers were really 1226 01:09:31,935 --> 01:09:33,770 standing behind this whole industry. 1227 01:09:33,770 --> 01:09:36,440 Nobody wanted to take over the film. 1228 01:09:36,440 --> 01:09:40,277 And that's why I stayed on until the very end. 1229 01:09:42,346 --> 01:09:44,448 The kind of photography that Vilmos has done 1230 01:09:44,448 --> 01:09:47,717 has made searing imprints on our minds. 1231 01:09:48,885 --> 01:09:52,356 - That stylistic look, imagination, 1232 01:09:52,356 --> 01:09:55,359 and use of the lights and the shafts of light 1233 01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:57,994 and the darkness and everybody would approach it 1234 01:09:57,994 --> 01:10:00,264 probably a different way because that's 1235 01:10:00,264 --> 01:10:03,032 one individual's interpretation for sure. 1236 01:10:03,032 --> 01:10:05,902 And whatever he did, he did it right that's for sure. 1237 01:10:05,902 --> 01:10:07,604 I mean he won an Oscar for it didn't he. 1238 01:10:07,604 --> 01:10:09,806 - And the winner is - And the winner is 1239 01:10:09,806 --> 01:10:11,541 - Vilmos Zsigmond. - Vilmos Zsigmond. 1240 01:10:29,526 --> 01:10:34,264 - I would like to thank you first for this country, 1241 01:10:34,264 --> 01:10:37,867 the American people who gave me a second life. 1242 01:10:37,867 --> 01:10:40,270 I would like to thank my old masters 1243 01:10:40,270 --> 01:10:45,141 in the Hungarian film school Elaus George, Boroka Szabella. 1244 01:10:45,141 --> 01:10:46,643 - And this is while Hungary was still under 1245 01:10:46,643 --> 01:10:50,146 the iron curtain and he thanked his mentors by name 1246 01:10:50,146 --> 01:10:53,950 in Hungary and it meant so much to them. 1247 01:10:53,950 --> 01:10:55,218 - It's funny when you think about 1248 01:10:55,218 --> 01:10:56,986 the full careers of Laszlo and Vilmos. 1249 01:10:56,986 --> 01:10:59,356 There are those defining films at the beginning, 1250 01:10:59,356 --> 01:11:02,926 which really still what you tend to reference. 1251 01:11:04,728 --> 01:11:06,363 - You know Orson Wells used to say 1252 01:11:06,363 --> 01:11:08,698 black and white was the actors friend. 1253 01:11:08,698 --> 01:11:10,133 Why do you say that Orson? 1254 01:11:10,133 --> 01:11:12,536 Because every performance looks better in black and white. 1255 01:11:12,536 --> 01:11:16,473 Name me a great performance in color, he'd say. 1256 01:11:18,141 --> 01:11:20,810 And you know that's going a little far but nevertheless 1257 01:11:20,810 --> 01:11:23,613 black and white has a sense of authenticity. 1258 01:11:23,613 --> 01:11:27,351 - So he calls me said Laszlo tell you I have, 1259 01:11:28,618 --> 01:11:31,521 I have a beautiful story and he said 1260 01:11:31,521 --> 01:11:34,924 it's gonna be black and white, I hung up. 1261 01:11:38,094 --> 01:11:40,997 That was all intro for the movie. 1262 01:11:40,997 --> 01:11:43,433 He said you know what why don't you 1263 01:11:43,433 --> 01:11:46,870 come over at my house and talk to Orson Wells. 1264 01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:47,871 I said what. 1265 01:11:49,272 --> 01:11:52,041 'Cause Orson Wells was staying with him as a guest. 1266 01:11:52,041 --> 01:11:55,579 I think he was hiding again from the IRS. 1267 01:11:55,579 --> 01:11:57,647 I was so nervous to knock on that door 1268 01:11:57,647 --> 01:12:01,451 and finally open the door and then this 1269 01:12:01,451 --> 01:12:05,622 long oak dining table and at the end it's like a throne. 1270 01:12:08,425 --> 01:12:11,160 And there is Orson Wells you know. 1271 01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:15,298 And he said I understand you and Peter are 1272 01:12:15,298 --> 01:12:17,701 going to make a black and white film. 1273 01:12:17,701 --> 01:12:19,202 I said yes trying. 1274 01:12:20,604 --> 01:12:23,006 I been doing all these tests and everything 1275 01:12:23,006 --> 01:12:26,943 and I really tell you truth I don't like any of them. 1276 01:12:26,943 --> 01:12:31,114 And he said it's very simple use red filter my boy. 1277 01:12:32,416 --> 01:12:36,185 * Cleft for my let me hide 1278 01:12:36,185 --> 01:12:37,821 - The very first shot of the movie 1279 01:12:37,821 --> 01:12:39,288 is the first shot of the movie where 1280 01:12:39,288 --> 01:12:40,724 I'm standing at the grave site. 1281 01:12:40,724 --> 01:12:44,327 And it was sort of a windy day and very bright 1282 01:12:44,327 --> 01:12:47,497 and very hot and it was a lot of wind. 1283 01:12:48,632 --> 01:12:51,435 And I just remember standing all day 1284 01:12:51,435 --> 01:12:56,039 with Peter and with Laszlo and setting up these shots 1285 01:12:56,039 --> 01:12:58,074 and it just seemed so vast everything, 1286 01:12:58,074 --> 01:13:00,243 and I seemed so little. 1287 01:13:12,155 --> 01:13:13,356 - Howdy. 1288 01:13:13,356 --> 01:13:14,290 - Howdy. 1289 01:13:14,290 --> 01:13:15,659 Get the phone will you. 1290 01:13:17,527 --> 01:13:18,762 - Tatum was a kid she didn't know 1291 01:13:18,762 --> 01:13:21,431 how to do it so it took forever. 1292 01:13:22,466 --> 01:13:24,534 There's a two shot that goes on 1293 01:13:24,534 --> 01:13:26,836 for about three, four minutes in the car. 1294 01:13:26,836 --> 01:13:28,438 We did it 36 times, 1295 01:13:29,639 --> 01:13:32,576 25 times the first day and we didn't get it. 1296 01:13:32,576 --> 01:13:35,178 We didn't get beyond the first 10 lines. 1297 01:13:35,178 --> 01:13:36,345 - I had these two men. 1298 01:13:36,345 --> 01:13:39,248 I had Peter, he's giving me books to read 1299 01:13:39,248 --> 01:13:42,986 even though I really am a very baby reader. 1300 01:13:42,986 --> 01:13:45,154 Like I wasn't that good at reading then. 1301 01:13:45,154 --> 01:13:48,091 And then you've got Laszlo who's this 1302 01:13:48,091 --> 01:13:51,160 super debonair, super handsome. 1303 01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:53,930 I never remember him ever getting 1304 01:13:55,364 --> 01:13:58,167 stern with me or getting frustrated. 1305 01:13:58,167 --> 01:14:01,204 - Well you know Laszlo spoiled me because it was so easy. 1306 01:14:01,204 --> 01:14:03,607 We fit hand in glove and we worked hand in glove. 1307 01:14:03,607 --> 01:14:06,943 I wish I'd done more pictures with him. 1308 01:14:06,943 --> 01:14:08,878 - Alright boy you're next. 1309 01:14:08,878 --> 01:14:10,213 - I ain't a boy. 1310 01:14:11,615 --> 01:14:14,684 - We are screening one of his movies Papermoon. 1311 01:14:14,684 --> 01:14:17,053 This is one of the movies that he took me 1312 01:14:17,053 --> 01:14:19,022 to screenings of and watched with me too as well. 1313 01:14:19,022 --> 01:14:21,791 I think he used it to teach both of us. 1314 01:14:21,791 --> 01:14:24,027 - It was the very first film that I watched 1315 01:14:24,027 --> 01:14:26,329 with my father and it's got that great 1316 01:14:26,329 --> 01:14:30,433 father daughter story so it's very special to me. 1317 01:14:32,335 --> 01:14:34,771 - You meet my mama in a bar room? 1318 01:14:34,771 --> 01:14:36,840 - Where would you get a question like that? 1319 01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,142 - I hear Mrs. Polly talking neighbor lady 1320 01:14:39,142 --> 01:14:40,476 says wonder if you was my pa. 1321 01:14:40,476 --> 01:14:44,848 - Well don't the world have a wild imagination. 1322 01:14:47,651 --> 01:14:51,120 - I found out when I married Laszlo and I had a baby 1323 01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,958 that Laszlo had another child but chose not to 1324 01:14:55,892 --> 01:14:57,994 know her at that particular time. 1325 01:14:57,994 --> 01:15:00,329 - I mean it was top secret I mean 1326 01:15:00,329 --> 01:15:03,633 nobody knew about, nobody knew about it. 1327 01:15:05,301 --> 01:15:09,472 - He took care of her financially through all the years. 1328 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,175 But really didn't know how to approach 1329 01:15:12,175 --> 01:15:15,511 being a father to a child he hadn't met 1330 01:15:15,511 --> 01:15:17,046 and didn't know what to say to our child 1331 01:15:17,046 --> 01:15:21,951 once we had a baby, so he went out and found her. 1332 01:15:21,951 --> 01:15:26,422 And she met her father and her sister in the same day. 1333 01:15:26,422 --> 01:15:30,226 And within really minutes it just became one family. 1334 01:15:30,226 --> 01:15:34,163 - And they fell in love with each other, the whole family. 1335 01:15:34,163 --> 01:15:37,500 They loved Nadia, Nadia is a wonderful girl. 1336 01:15:37,500 --> 01:15:39,769 And finally she had a father 1337 01:15:39,769 --> 01:15:42,171 and Laszlo had another daughter. 1338 01:15:51,748 --> 01:15:55,919 - I told you I don't want you riding with me no more. 1339 01:15:59,188 --> 01:16:01,124 - You still owe me $200. 1340 01:16:05,729 --> 01:16:06,562 Mose look! 1341 01:16:11,835 --> 01:16:12,669 - Come on. 1342 01:16:15,639 --> 01:16:16,472 Hurry up. 1343 01:16:24,147 --> 01:16:27,951 - I admire the brotherhood that they have. 1344 01:16:27,951 --> 01:16:31,454 They really love one another, they respect one another. 1345 01:16:31,454 --> 01:16:34,691 And they're open to one another. 1346 01:16:34,691 --> 01:16:37,927 I feel that they matter to one another. 1347 01:16:53,376 --> 01:16:55,378 - It should be here now. 1348 01:16:57,413 --> 01:16:59,883 Great wow look at that. 1349 01:16:59,883 --> 01:17:03,887 Politically and personally he's very progressive, 1350 01:17:05,088 --> 01:17:06,856 and I admire that about him because 1351 01:17:06,856 --> 01:17:09,058 it would be a lot easier, most people in fact 1352 01:17:09,058 --> 01:17:13,129 who are immigrants from communism tend to be very 1353 01:17:14,764 --> 01:17:18,702 conservative in their politics and he never was. 1354 01:17:18,702 --> 01:17:22,538 He really is a very young person in his thinking. 1355 01:17:22,538 --> 01:17:25,041 He never likes to look back. 1356 01:17:25,041 --> 01:17:27,777 And he also, it's not so much that he 1357 01:17:27,777 --> 01:17:29,979 likes to work with young people but I think 1358 01:17:29,979 --> 01:17:33,717 he always thinks like a young person himself. 1359 01:17:36,319 --> 01:17:38,421 - Sometimes you have to do something 1360 01:17:38,421 --> 01:17:40,656 which you don't have experience about it. 1361 01:17:40,656 --> 01:17:43,659 I never worked in a steel mill before. 1362 01:17:43,659 --> 01:17:45,561 So maybe that was a lucky thing because 1363 01:17:45,561 --> 01:17:48,397 I just walked into the steel mill 1364 01:17:48,397 --> 01:17:52,769 and I saw this blue light coming in from the outside. 1365 01:17:52,769 --> 01:17:56,605 Again this red light of the flow of the steel. 1366 01:17:57,941 --> 01:18:00,243 I put gels on the light to just recreate 1367 01:18:00,243 --> 01:18:03,512 exactly the way that was and I thought 1368 01:18:03,512 --> 01:18:07,583 it was fascinating to see the work done in the steel mill. 1369 01:18:07,583 --> 01:18:10,686 - I just think Deer Hunter is truly one of the 1370 01:18:10,686 --> 01:18:13,422 probably five greatest American films ever made. 1371 01:18:13,422 --> 01:18:15,992 And I'd say that without, even if 1372 01:18:15,992 --> 01:18:18,061 I didn't know anyone involved in it. 1373 01:18:18,061 --> 01:18:22,531 And it has such depth and such power and also 1374 01:18:22,531 --> 01:18:25,201 the fact that there are Eastern European immigrants 1375 01:18:25,201 --> 01:18:28,371 involved and it's about this community 1376 01:18:28,371 --> 01:18:31,007 of Eastern Europeans and the fact that Vilmos is, 1377 01:18:31,007 --> 01:18:33,777 all that I don't know whether that was 1378 01:18:33,777 --> 01:18:37,680 coincidental or part of some zeitgeist. 1379 01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,549 That certainly is a film that stands out. 1380 01:18:40,549 --> 01:18:41,484 And then along came 1381 01:18:41,484 --> 01:18:43,286 The Deer Hunter which of course 1382 01:18:43,286 --> 01:18:45,955 made everyone stop dead in their tracks, 1383 01:18:45,955 --> 01:18:50,526 and it caused people to look at the United States 1384 01:18:50,526 --> 01:18:52,796 in a completely different way. 1385 01:18:52,796 --> 01:18:57,333 - It really taught I think the public more about 1386 01:18:57,333 --> 01:19:00,770 how the war in Vietnam affected everybody 1387 01:19:00,770 --> 01:19:02,738 and what was really happening behind the scenes 1388 01:19:02,738 --> 01:19:05,308 without it being sensational, it was all about people. 1389 01:19:05,308 --> 01:19:07,110 He had gone through that so he knew. 1390 01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:09,345 I think there was something instinctive 1391 01:19:09,345 --> 01:19:11,981 that went beyond being instinctive cinematography. 1392 01:19:11,981 --> 01:19:13,616 It was instinctive story telling. 1393 01:19:22,425 --> 01:19:25,895 A good movie photography has to blend in 1394 01:19:25,895 --> 01:19:29,833 in the story and you cannot be too good 1395 01:19:29,833 --> 01:19:32,301 or you cannot be too bad I mean you have to 1396 01:19:32,301 --> 01:19:35,738 go whatever the story is about. 1397 01:19:35,738 --> 01:19:36,806 - I love you. 1398 01:19:41,845 --> 01:19:44,881 - We really wanted to make it look like 1399 01:19:44,881 --> 01:19:49,385 a documentary on newsreels and not over lighting it. 1400 01:19:49,385 --> 01:19:52,856 And luckily we could not even over light the scenes 1401 01:19:52,856 --> 01:19:55,258 because we hardly had any equipment there. 1402 01:19:55,258 --> 01:19:58,261 - When you have people who come from 1403 01:19:59,595 --> 01:20:02,731 the training of life and truth, 1404 01:20:02,731 --> 01:20:06,269 who come with the respect and dignity of their craft, 1405 01:20:06,269 --> 01:20:08,537 when they not only bring it to film 1406 01:20:08,537 --> 01:20:10,173 but then they bring it and are willing 1407 01:20:10,173 --> 01:20:13,509 to share it with others there's nothing greater. 1408 01:20:25,488 --> 01:20:28,491 * God bless America 1409 01:20:29,926 --> 01:20:32,828 * Land that I love 1410 01:20:34,463 --> 01:20:38,534 * Stand beside her and guide her 1411 01:20:40,269 --> 01:20:44,908 * Through the night with a light from above 1412 01:20:51,948 --> 01:20:53,116 You're listening to 1413 01:20:53,116 --> 01:20:55,484 All Things Considered from NPR News. 1414 01:20:55,484 --> 01:20:58,487 As a student in Budapest Laszlo Kovacs 1415 01:20:58,487 --> 01:21:01,357 and a friend filmed the 1956 Hungarian 1416 01:21:01,357 --> 01:21:03,692 uprising against the Soviet Union. 1417 01:21:03,692 --> 01:21:05,394 When the revolution was crushed 1418 01:21:05,394 --> 01:21:06,996 they fled the country with their film, 1419 01:21:06,996 --> 01:21:09,365 took refuge here and made their way to Hollywood 1420 01:21:09,365 --> 01:21:11,935 where he became a cinematographer. 1421 01:21:11,935 --> 01:21:15,171 Kovacs died in his sleep Sunday at age 74 1422 01:21:15,171 --> 01:21:18,141 and he left behind an extraordinary body of work. 1423 01:21:18,141 --> 01:21:19,442 He was one of those people who 1424 01:21:19,442 --> 01:21:21,877 changed the look of America movies. 1425 01:21:21,877 --> 01:21:23,379 He filmed Easy Rider-- 1426 01:21:23,379 --> 01:21:25,581 - He just woke up with a headache. 1427 01:21:25,581 --> 01:21:28,417 And I said why don't you just go rest and I'll, 1428 01:21:28,417 --> 01:21:32,155 I'll give you breakfast when you feel better. 1429 01:21:33,556 --> 01:21:35,724 He just never felt better. 1430 01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:40,429 And he was gone by the next morning. 1431 01:21:40,429 --> 01:21:44,600 - They had a memorial there and I was there you know. 1432 01:21:45,768 --> 01:21:48,704 They showed Laszlo's ten minutes film 1433 01:21:49,872 --> 01:21:53,142 with Laszlo in the movies and they really 1434 01:21:55,844 --> 01:21:58,982 were thinking about him a lot. 1435 01:21:58,982 --> 01:22:03,719 - Frankly I think that Laszlo had one widow and it's Vilmos. 1436 01:22:03,719 --> 01:22:08,157 I think they were as close as two men could ever be. 1437 01:22:08,157 --> 01:22:11,360 - It's nice to always have somebody 1438 01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:15,531 like that person a good friend who is close to you. 1439 01:22:16,699 --> 01:22:20,169 And same understanding about our problems. 1440 01:22:22,338 --> 01:22:24,840 Whether it was a personal problem 1441 01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,376 or whether it was a business problem. 1442 01:22:27,376 --> 01:22:30,546 It was always nice to be able to call him up. 1443 01:22:30,546 --> 01:22:33,649 Even if we were living further apart. 1444 01:22:34,583 --> 01:22:36,752 And I don't have that now. 1445 01:22:45,294 --> 01:22:48,797 There's no race to goodness. 1446 01:22:48,797 --> 01:22:52,968 There no race to becoming a legend or winning the prize. 1447 01:22:57,273 --> 01:23:01,377 And I think that many people don't really understand 1448 01:23:02,978 --> 01:23:06,249 the importance and the impact of simply 1449 01:23:07,483 --> 01:23:10,219 showing up every day and doing your job 1450 01:23:10,219 --> 01:23:13,656 with great integrity and having the courage 1451 01:23:13,656 --> 01:23:16,825 to just simply be good at what you do, 1452 01:23:19,562 --> 01:23:22,631 and really trying to figure out 1453 01:23:22,631 --> 01:23:26,469 how can I lend myself to creating this moment, 1454 01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:34,610 then this one, then this one, the very best that I can. 1455 01:23:37,113 --> 01:23:37,946 That's it. 1456 01:23:46,322 --> 01:23:50,959 Both you and Laszlo very handsome men. 1457 01:23:52,361 --> 01:23:53,629 Nothing, just take it. 1458 01:23:53,629 --> 01:23:54,863 - Thank you very much. 1459 01:23:54,863 --> 01:23:56,099 Yeah take it, just take it. 1460 01:23:56,099 --> 01:23:59,468 - Thanks my mother, thanks my father. 1461 01:23:59,468 --> 01:24:01,104 No it's for me very pleasant 1462 01:24:01,104 --> 01:24:05,174 to look at all your footage and photographs. 1463 01:24:05,174 --> 01:24:07,243 I'm falling in love every day. 1464 01:24:07,243 --> 01:24:08,777 You're more in love with Vilmos or Laszlo? 1465 01:24:08,777 --> 01:24:11,414 It's hard very hard, very very hard. 1466 01:24:11,414 --> 01:24:14,583 - She has no choice now Laszlo's gone. 1467 01:24:17,086 --> 01:24:20,423 Laszlo left all his ladies for me now. 1468 01:24:20,423 --> 01:24:22,991 Right, exactly. 1469 01:24:24,093 --> 01:24:25,461 Now you're in trouble. 1470 01:24:25,461 --> 01:24:26,962 - All those old ladies. 1471 01:24:26,962 --> 01:24:31,134 * Tonight my heart is full of a sad song 1472 01:24:33,802 --> 01:24:38,107 * My lonesome lover has taken off 1473 01:24:38,107 --> 01:24:40,143 * I'm wandering around on a cloud 1474 01:24:40,143 --> 01:24:41,977 - That's my left side, oh there we go. 1475 01:24:41,977 --> 01:24:43,146 - Yeah that's it. 1476 01:24:44,313 --> 01:24:45,514 - Oh yeah it's great. 1477 01:24:45,514 --> 01:24:48,317 - Good bad, good bad, good bad, good. 1478 01:24:48,317 --> 01:24:52,155 - And you, you have to mysteriously disappear. 1479 01:24:53,289 --> 01:24:55,191 Bye, see you next time. 1480 01:24:58,827 --> 01:25:00,429 I hope to see you soon. 1481 01:25:00,429 --> 01:25:02,165 Let me see can I find you. 1482 01:25:02,165 --> 01:25:04,066 * These stories about this 1483 01:25:04,066 --> 01:25:05,334 And mark it. 1484 01:25:05,334 --> 01:25:08,671 * So brave and so alive 1485 01:25:10,105 --> 01:25:13,876 * Turning this world around from the out to the inside 1486 01:25:19,948 --> 01:25:24,587 * Well our courtship was brief and magnetic 1487 01:25:24,587 --> 01:25:28,757 * I was singing at the corner bar 1488 01:25:29,692 --> 01:25:33,996 * And we both felt so romantic 1489 01:25:33,996 --> 01:25:37,933 * We took a walk with the moon 1490 01:25:37,933 --> 01:25:41,370 * Down to the train yard 1491 01:25:45,408 --> 01:25:47,610 * Well it was too much for me 1492 01:25:47,610 --> 01:25:50,413 * My gypsy heart was inflamed 1493 01:25:50,413 --> 01:25:52,548 * Put me at the head of your list 1494 01:25:52,548 --> 01:25:56,819 * And don't forget to call my name 1495 01:25:56,819 --> 01:25:59,255 * Well I fell in love with a boy 1496 01:25:59,255 --> 01:26:03,359 * Who has a real live romance with a train 1497 01:26:04,827 --> 01:26:07,596 - I gotta go on the stage now. 1498 01:26:07,596 --> 01:26:09,332 * Oh 115312

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