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I'm Eli Roth.
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I want to introduce you
to nine uncategorizable films
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that pushed the boundaries
of horror...
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Nine films that tell us
dark truths about society
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and ourselves.
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Nine films filled with fear...
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and fun.
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Nine nightmars
you'll never forget.
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Horror is the
outlier genre of cinema.
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Some people fear it.
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Others don't respect it,
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but that renegade status
lets it go places
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no other genre can reach.
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Great horror films
entertain us and provoke us.
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They put society
under a microscope...
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Sam?
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Making us questn
not just what we fear...
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But why we fear it.
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And there's
no better recent example
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than Jordan Peele's "Us."
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In 2017, Jordan released
his first film, "Get Out,"
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an Oscar-winning
commercial and critical hit
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satirizing racism in America.
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The Armitages are so good
to us.
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What you experienced
in your first movie is, like,
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to come up
with the Academy Award,
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to make a movie that is, like,
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probably the most culturally
significant horror film
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since
"Night of the Living Dead,"
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and then you're like,
"Now I have to follow that up."
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The expectations
were a bitch.
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As you know, you, like...
you kind of have to say,
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"Okay, well what got me here
in the first place?"
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looking at "Get Out"
and imagining
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what people are expecting.
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If I can kind of start
to understand or pinpoint
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what I think people
are expecting,
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I can start to plot
how to suvert that.
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There is a Black family
vacationing in Santa Cruz
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at their summer home,
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basically the only
Black family you can see
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on this beach.
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So it speaks to isolation
almost immediately.
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And over the course of a normal
evening, the young son, Jason,
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realizes there's
a family standing outside.
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And once the family breaks
into the house,
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we realize
these are doppelgangers,
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that everyone who's broken
into the house
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is a mirror image
of this family.
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You know, I think both films,
in a strange way,
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are about losing your identity
and sort of who you are...
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like,
what the external world sees
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and what you are on the inside.
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Both of these movies
became clear to me
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when I decided
to be vulnerable
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and... and... and
look... look within.
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Asked myself
what really scares me,
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asked myself
what I'm not ready to face.
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What are you people?
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Which felt related to what
we're not ready to face.
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We're Americans.
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What would it be like
to see someone
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who looked exactly like you?
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Who is that person?
What does that mean?
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Are they taking something away
from you,
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or are you taking something
away from them?
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Run!
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At first,
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the film seems to be about
one family in peril...
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Then we discover
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everyone has a doppelgangr
living underground,
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invisibly tethered to their
counterparts on the surface.
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Now, our tethered twins
have emerged
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to murder us.
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I remember you telling me after
we shot last year
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that you were gonna go
shoot something
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that felt like "Lost Boys"
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Yeah,
we're in the same place...
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Santa Cruz Boardwalk...
the exact same location.
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Did you hear the line
about "Lost Boys" in there?
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You know, they're filming
something about a carousel.
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You should see
if they're looking for extras.
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But I always thought
this idea of "Lost Boys"...
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that there's a monster
up here,
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and so I thought,
with that same location,
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what if there's a monster
underneath as well?
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- Mm-hmm.
- On the opposite side.
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Yeah.
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They created the Tethered
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so they could use them
to control the ones above.
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Like puppets.
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I was thinking
about, uh, incarceration.
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I was thinking about class.
- Mm-hmm.
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I... I was thinking about
the term "us and them,"
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the... the idea of "us and them"
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and the... the... the division
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when... when you
sort of identify an "us."
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You create a "them."
You create an other.
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Don't waste your strength.
Don't try to fight it.
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You can't stop the inevitable.
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Much like "Get Out,"
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this is a... a systemic monster
we're dealing with.
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It really does appear to be,
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on a fairly
straightforward level,
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a story about the haves
and the have-nots.
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Sort of existing
with a privilege
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and... and a privilege
that many of us enjoy
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is a violent act.
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And that's... that's
the central theme of "Us,"
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is this idea that,
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when we look at the mirror,
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both individually
and collectively,
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we might realize, well,
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it's not as simple as,
"I'm the good guy."
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You know,
we're all part of a system.
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There's a story
behind everything we enjoy.
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There's a factory.
There's a... a line.
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There's... there's somebody
working overtime,
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you know,
to... to try to make us happy
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if we can afford it.
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Our little pleasures
are coming
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at the cost
of invisible people
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that we really don't want
to acknowledge or see
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because it's inconvenient.
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The family
at the center of the film
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are better equipped
to handle the Tethered
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than most horror fim
protagonists...
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Partly becaus,
as Black people in America,
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they are always on guard.
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Let's make some traps
or something,
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like some
"Home Alone"-type stuff.
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That way if she comes...
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Tell me you did not
just reference "Home Alone."
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Well, having
a Black protagonist
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in... in a horror movie,
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as a writer, is a trap
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because you can't have them do
the stupid response.
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They have the upper hand.
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This is the time to run,
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not to be sprinkling
Micro Machines on the floor.
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What are Micro Machines?
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What's "Home Alone"?
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It's... it's partly
a satirical comment,
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but partly very grounded
in real... real life.
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This country is... is a...
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is a horror show...
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- Yeah.
- For Black people, you know?
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This is...
we're in a horror movie.
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I try and access
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what I'm actually afraid f
or what I'm... you know.
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Mm-hmm.
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And that... part of the process
of making these movies,
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I swear, I kind... I...
I overcome my fear.
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Race and class divisions
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can turn everyday lives
into horror movies,
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but what about people
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in the most privileged
position in society?
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What nightmares stalk
the ruling class?
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In the year 2000,
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Christian Bale gave
an unforgettable performance
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as the antihero
of "American Psycho"...
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A dark satire
of human behavior
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at the top
of the economic ladder.
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"American Psycho,"
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based on the notorious novel
by Bret Easton Ellis,
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is about a young,
wealthy businessman
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who seems
to have a perfect life.
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I work on Wall Street.
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So he's, uh, very handsome;
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he has a perfect apartment;
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he has a...
you know, a high-paying job.
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So it's about someone
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whose life is full
of perfect surfaces
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and who is so filled wi,
sort of, rage and emptiness
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that he disembowels
young women.
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I like to dissect girls.
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Did you know
I'm utterly insane?
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Uh...
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Uh, great tan, Marcus.
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I mean, really impressive.
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Where do you tan?
- Salon.
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"American Psycho" is one f
the best satires of all time.
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You can always be thinner,
look better.
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To me, it really, really
caught what the '90s was about.
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Suddenly,
metrosexuality came in
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and men became obsessive
with grooming products,
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skin care, waxing,
tanning booths.
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What beautiful skin
you have, Mr. Bateman.
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And what suits
you were wearing,
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the kind of explosion
in fashion and commerce
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and restaurants and status.
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It was just
this Wall Street world.
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Gene, great jacket.
Matsuda?
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Valentino Couture.
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It's really a satire
of consumerism...
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Where did you get
that overnight bag?
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Jean Paul Gautier.
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You know,
American vulture capitalism
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at the end of the 20th century.
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And it's all expressed
in this person who looks good,
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but is actually a monster.
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I guess you could say
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I just wat
to have meaningful relationship
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with someone special.
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I wanted Bateman
to be the object of fear.
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When Christian and I
were in preparation
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for "American Psycho,"
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we talked about him
as being like a... a Martian...
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someone from another planet
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who doesn't know how
to be a human being.
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So when Bateman's going
to have sex with someone,
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he watches a porno movie.
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If he's gonna, uh,
commit a murder,
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he's gonna watch
a... a faous horror movie.
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The fact that it was
directed by a woman, I think,
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ws such an interesting
counterbalance to the book.
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Even though he's doing all
of these crazy things,
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there isn't this misogynist,
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anti-woman, kind of gross tone
about the movie.
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Jean?
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Sorbet?
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When we were filming
"American Psycho,"
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I realized that
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the fear a woman has
of going on a date
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or going to a guy's apartment
and something bad happening
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or him suddenly transforming
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from one kind of person
into another
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is...
is a very strong female fear.
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Can we go now?
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We're not through yet.
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Movies are a way
of exploring those fears.
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We don't want to admit it,
but all of us...
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there's a part of us
that is like Patrick Bateman,
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that is obsessive,
that wants things.
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It's like this personification
of all the greed
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and the vanity
and the consumption
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and the vapidness...
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all the stuff
that we suppress;
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that we say we don't have;
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that we say,
"That's just other people";
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it's all reflected
in Patrick Bateman,
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but we're watching him
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and there is a part of him
that's in all of us.
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I...
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Just have to kill
a lot of people!
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And um...
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I'm not sure I'm gonna get awy
with it this time.
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He's not punished at the end,
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so you're not giving
the audience that satisfaction,
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actually.
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But I felt like the...
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the satirical
and also of the moral point
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of Bret Easton Ellis's book
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was that
he wouldn't get found out
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because society didn't care
to find him out.
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I chopped Allen's
head off.
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The whole message I left
on your machine was true.
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Excuse me.
I really must be going now.
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Society just didn't care
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as long as he conformed
to the perfect, you know,
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surfaces and perfect, uh,
stereotypes
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of... of
the successful businessman.
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No one would bother.
264
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This confession
has meant nothing.
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Faced with the
emptiness of consumer culture,
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many turned to the spiritual
comforts of religion.
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...accursed!
268
00:12:37,258 --> 00:12:39,134
But there can be a fine line
269
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between a religion
and a death cult.
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- No!
- No!
271
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Most religions
teach the way of peace,
272
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yet religious differences
have led
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to an almost unthinkable
amount of bloodshed.
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He brought you up
to be a pagan.
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This paradox is at the heart
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of two films about faith...
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"Midsommar" from 2019...
278
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and "The Wicker Man"...
279
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From 1973.
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"The Wicker Man"
has the reputation
281
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for being the greatest British
horror film of all time.
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It was one of those movies
I didn't see until late in life
283
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because I would look
at the video box and go,
284
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"What's scary
about a wicker man?"
285
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Oh, God!
Oh, Jesus Christ!
286
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I finally saw it,
287
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and it's one of those movies
that changed my life.
288
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♪ In pastures green ♪
289
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♪ He leadeth me ♪
290
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It has to do with
Christianity versus paganism.
291
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A police inspector is sent
292
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to this remote isle
of Summerisle
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to investigate the
disappearance of a young girl.
294
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Rowan Morrison.
295
00:14:00,174 --> 00:14:02,301
And he's
this repressed, uh, Christian
296
00:14:02,343 --> 00:14:04,636
coming to grips
with this society
297
00:14:04,678 --> 00:14:07,806
that is the total opposite
of everything he believes in.
298
00:14:07,848 --> 00:14:09,975
I find degeneracy,
and there is brawling in bars.
299
00:14:10,017 --> 00:14:12,561
There is indecency
in public places.
300
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Open sex and wild dancing
301
00:14:15,189 --> 00:14:19,777
and all this uninhibited
craziness that he's not used to
302
00:14:19,818 --> 00:14:21,695
and he has a hard time
adjusting to that.
303
00:14:21,737 --> 00:14:23,989
Can I do anything for you,
sergeant?
304
00:14:24,031 --> 00:14:27,743
Oh, I doubt it...
seeing you're all raving mad.
305
00:14:27,785 --> 00:14:29,453
And the fun of the film
306
00:14:29,495 --> 00:14:31,997
is watching him getting
taken down a notch or two.
307
00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:34,666
They do love
their divinity lessons.
308
00:14:34,708 --> 00:14:38,253
But they... they are...
are naked.
309
00:14:38,295 --> 00:14:39,295
Naturally.
310
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It's much too dangerous
311
00:14:40,839 --> 00:14:42,674
to jump through the fire
with your clothes on.
312
00:14:42,716 --> 00:14:44,277
Oh, Christopher Lee did that
picture for almost no money
313
00:14:44,301 --> 00:14:45,803
because he liked the pat
so much.
314
00:14:45,844 --> 00:14:46,905
And I think it was
his favorite part
315
00:14:46,929 --> 00:14:47,989
of anything he'd ever done.
316
00:14:50,099 --> 00:14:53,977
It's a truly weird, pagan,
fascinating movie.
317
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It's almost a musical.
318
00:14:55,646 --> 00:14:57,486
I mean, it's got all
these Paul Giovanni songs.
319
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♪ She took the tinker ♪
320
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♪ By the hand ♪
321
00:15:00,943 --> 00:15:02,945
They created a score
322
00:15:02,986 --> 00:15:04,863
that are folk songs integral
to this island
323
00:15:04,905 --> 00:15:06,198
to tell the story
324
00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:07,509
of their religion
and their culture.
325
00:15:07,533 --> 00:15:08,826
♪ For patching ♪
326
00:15:08,867 --> 00:15:12,704
♪ And plugging is his
delight ♪
327
00:15:14,164 --> 00:15:17,000
The lyrics
of these songs are so...
328
00:15:17,042 --> 00:15:19,145
everything's a double entendre
and everything's sexual.
329
00:15:21,255 --> 00:15:24,716
And it's a very,
very subversive, sexual movie.
330
00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:30,848
This police officer
is unwittingly being led,
331
00:15:30,889 --> 00:15:33,142
thinking he's
on an investigation,
332
00:15:33,183 --> 00:15:35,894
thinking he's gonna catch
the killer of a little girl,
333
00:15:35,936 --> 00:15:37,771
until he realizes
334
00:15:37,813 --> 00:15:39,606
that he's been a sucker
this entire time.
335
00:15:40,899 --> 00:15:42,359
It's about faith
336
00:15:42,401 --> 00:15:43,586
and how faith doesn't really
pan out for you.
337
00:15:43,610 --> 00:15:45,404
There is no sun god!
338
00:15:45,446 --> 00:15:50,117
There is no...
goddess of the fields!
339
00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:52,870
I wouldn't say it's
on the side of the pagans,
340
00:15:52,911 --> 00:15:54,163
but it certainly comes close,
341
00:15:54,204 --> 00:15:56,081
because as devout
as the hero is,
342
00:15:56,123 --> 00:15:57,458
it doesn't save him.
343
00:15:57,499 --> 00:15:59,126
No! No!
Think!
344
00:15:59,168 --> 00:16:00,586
Just think what you're doing!
345
00:16:02,087 --> 00:16:04,465
Think what you're doing!
Think!
346
00:16:04,506 --> 00:16:07,926
The reason "The Wicker Man"
has such staying power is
347
00:16:07,968 --> 00:16:09,928
you look at this cult
348
00:16:09,970 --> 00:16:12,431
that believes that burng
and sacrificing a virgin
349
00:16:12,473 --> 00:16:14,224
is going to bring back
the crops.
350
00:16:14,266 --> 00:16:16,059
That makes perfect sense
to them.
351
00:16:16,101 --> 00:16:19,646
♪ Summer is a-comin' in ♪
352
00:16:19,688 --> 00:16:22,191
To this other person,
it's absolutely insane
353
00:16:22,232 --> 00:16:24,067
because everything he believes
354
00:16:24,109 --> 00:16:25,903
is from a Christian
perspective...
355
00:16:25,944 --> 00:16:28,071
♪ And blows the mead ♪
356
00:16:28,113 --> 00:16:30,324
And these are coming
from a pagan perspective.
357
00:16:30,365 --> 00:16:32,784
What is totally normal
to one person
358
00:16:32,826 --> 00:16:34,620
is absolutely terrifying
to another,
359
00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:36,639
and I think there's something
very real about that.
360
00:16:38,832 --> 00:16:41,335
The culture clash
captured by "The Wicker Man"
361
00:16:41,376 --> 00:16:44,338
was a big influence
on my film "Hostel."
362
00:16:44,379 --> 00:16:46,840
So I visually paid tribute
to it.
363
00:16:49,927 --> 00:16:51,279
And you can see elements
of both films
364
00:16:51,303 --> 00:16:54,306
in Ari Aster's "Midsommar."
365
00:16:57,017 --> 00:16:59,144
In the wake
of a devastating loss,
366
00:16:59,186 --> 00:17:01,980
a young woman joins
her self-absorbed boyfriend
367
00:17:02,022 --> 00:17:04,149
and his fellow grad students
368
00:17:04,191 --> 00:17:06,068
on a trip
to the Swedish countryside.
369
00:17:06,109 --> 00:17:07,986
They've been invited
to witness
370
00:17:08,028 --> 00:17:09,488
an annual folk celebration.
371
00:17:13,283 --> 00:17:15,661
The writing of "Midsommar"
was pretty therapeutic.
372
00:17:15,702 --> 00:17:18,830
I was going through a breakup
and was looking for, uh,
373
00:17:18,872 --> 00:17:20,999
kind of an angle
on a breakup movie.
374
00:17:23,043 --> 00:17:25,629
What's, like,
the evil version of that?
375
00:17:28,006 --> 00:17:30,193
The students enter
what at first appears to be
376
00:17:30,217 --> 00:17:33,345
a peaceful community
of nature-worshipping pagans.
377
00:17:34,930 --> 00:17:37,766
I love that it is,
like "The Wicker Man,"
378
00:17:37,808 --> 00:17:42,312
set in this isolated,
very homogenous community
379
00:17:42,354 --> 00:17:46,358
that is supposed
to signify safety...
380
00:17:48,277 --> 00:17:49,193
And then have it
completely turn around.
381
00:17:49,194 --> 00:17:50,946
- No!
- No!
382
00:17:52,447 --> 00:17:54,491
The Americans are trying
to be cool,
383
00:17:54,533 --> 00:17:56,135
and they want to be open
and they want to embrace it
384
00:17:56,159 --> 00:17:57,869
and they want
to understand it
385
00:17:57,911 --> 00:17:59,621
and they don't quite get
what's going on.
386
00:17:59,663 --> 00:18:02,040
What's going on?
387
00:18:05,127 --> 00:18:07,212
But they get caught up
in the ritual
388
00:18:07,254 --> 00:18:09,256
and the pomp
and the circumstance
389
00:18:09,298 --> 00:18:10,898
and they don't want
to offend the culture
390
00:18:10,924 --> 00:18:12,569
and, you know, they wind p
paying the price for it.
391
00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,807
The film's
protagonist is gradually drawn
392
00:18:18,849 --> 00:18:21,435
into what turns out
to be a death cult...
393
00:18:23,729 --> 00:18:26,189
And the other travelers
are ritual sacrifices.
394
00:18:26,231 --> 00:18:30,777
She ends up finding,
in this community,
395
00:18:30,819 --> 00:18:32,696
what might be a home.
396
00:18:32,738 --> 00:18:34,865
You are the family now, yes?
397
00:18:34,906 --> 00:18:36,992
Yes, you are the family!
398
00:18:37,034 --> 00:18:38,619
And of course,
399
00:18:38,660 --> 00:18:41,580
the irony is that they are
a eugenicist community
400
00:18:41,622 --> 00:18:43,457
of murderers.
401
00:18:45,751 --> 00:18:49,087
But they're also
much more empathic,
402
00:18:49,129 --> 00:18:50,481
they're... they're much more
compassionate.
403
00:18:54,176 --> 00:18:56,803
And that's why people
join cults.
404
00:18:59,973 --> 00:19:03,685
People don't join cults because
they want to be mass murderers.
405
00:19:12,444 --> 00:19:15,697
They join cults because
they need connection.
406
00:19:21,370 --> 00:19:23,413
"Midsommar"
was a slow-burn film
407
00:19:23,455 --> 00:19:27,042
that built
to a fiery conclusion.
408
00:19:27,084 --> 00:19:29,961
But horror can also go way
over the top to make a point.
409
00:19:35,842 --> 00:19:38,470
When you think
of a morality tale,
410
00:19:38,512 --> 00:19:40,138
you might picture something
like this.
411
00:19:40,180 --> 00:19:43,266
Amen.
412
00:19:43,308 --> 00:19:44,810
Amen.
413
00:19:49,856 --> 00:19:52,984
I hope you rot in hell.
414
00:19:53,026 --> 00:19:54,945
But in horror,
415
00:19:54,986 --> 00:19:57,030
stories about suffering
terrible consequences
416
00:19:57,072 --> 00:20:00,951
for your poor behavior
can be scary and fun,
417
00:20:00,992 --> 00:20:02,744
like "Creepshow."
418
00:20:02,786 --> 00:20:04,496
"Creepshow"
was a horror fan's dream.
419
00:20:04,538 --> 00:20:06,456
It still is.
420
00:20:06,498 --> 00:20:07,892
It's the combination
of George Romero,
421
00:20:07,916 --> 00:20:10,502
Stephen King, and Tom Savini.
422
00:20:10,544 --> 00:20:12,629
Me,
as a 12-year-old horror fan,
423
00:20:12,671 --> 00:20:14,381
knowing that this
was the director
424
00:20:14,423 --> 00:20:15,674
of "Dawn of the Dead"...
425
00:20:18,844 --> 00:20:20,887
This was the guy that did
all the gore
426
00:20:20,929 --> 00:20:22,115
in "Dawn of the Dead"
and "Friday the 13th."
427
00:20:24,725 --> 00:20:27,185
And Stephen King writing
these stories?
428
00:20:27,227 --> 00:20:30,105
This was gonna be
the greatest movie ever made.
429
00:20:33,734 --> 00:20:35,694
Well, my first thing
with George was he said,
430
00:20:35,736 --> 00:20:37,154
"Why don't we do
a number of stories
431
00:20:37,195 --> 00:20:38,655
like 'Tales from the Crypt'?"
432
00:20:38,697 --> 00:20:41,032
And I went, "Yeah,
let's... let's do that."
433
00:20:41,074 --> 00:20:42,534
- It's a comic book.
- What?
434
00:20:42,576 --> 00:20:44,286
- It's a comic book!
- It's a comic book!
435
00:20:44,327 --> 00:20:46,288
Look.
436
00:20:46,329 --> 00:20:48,248
Because really,
what is a comic book?
437
00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:50,333
It's a storyboard
for a movie, right?
438
00:20:52,169 --> 00:20:53,920
"Creepsow" is presented
439
00:20:53,962 --> 00:20:57,174
like an EC comic book
from the 1950s,
440
00:20:57,215 --> 00:20:59,259
with five macabre stories...
441
00:21:02,763 --> 00:21:04,055
And an all-star cast.
442
00:21:04,097 --> 00:21:06,057
Stephen King himself
443
00:21:06,099 --> 00:21:08,101
plays the doomed hayseed,
Jordy Verrill.
444
00:21:09,978 --> 00:21:12,731
I'm a goner already, Daddy...
445
00:21:12,773 --> 00:21:13,774
ain't I?
446
00:21:15,776 --> 00:21:17,944
Each story was a moral tale
447
00:21:17,986 --> 00:21:20,572
in which sinners were rewarded
with ironic deaths,
448
00:21:20,614 --> 00:21:24,618
and sometimes,
ironic afterlives.
449
00:21:24,659 --> 00:21:27,454
The teenaged Greg Nicotero
was a frequent visitor
450
00:21:27,496 --> 00:21:29,748
to the "Creepshow" set.
451
00:21:29,790 --> 00:21:32,626
I remember seeing them
shooting the actors
452
00:21:32,667 --> 00:21:35,253
with the colored lights
in the background.
453
00:21:35,295 --> 00:21:38,423
I got my cake.
454
00:21:38,465 --> 00:21:40,318
All of a sudden, like,
there's a bunch of guys
455
00:21:40,342 --> 00:21:41,736
on dimmers, and they'd go...
456
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,763
Happy Father's Day.
457
00:21:44,805 --> 00:21:47,140
Then they would turn it
and the lights would change.
458
00:21:47,182 --> 00:21:51,019
They were trying to immerse
you into the comic book world.
459
00:21:53,271 --> 00:21:55,524
One of my favore
stories is "The Crate,"
460
00:21:55,565 --> 00:21:57,609
where
a henpecked college professor
461
00:21:57,651 --> 00:21:59,337
comes into possession
of a vicious animal...
462
00:21:59,361 --> 00:22:01,321
- ...a couple of emeralds!
- Don't!
463
00:22:01,363 --> 00:22:04,199
With a thirst for human blood.
464
00:22:05,951 --> 00:22:10,455
I don't even know what it was.
465
00:22:10,497 --> 00:22:13,458
And it's Hal Holbrook
and Fritz Weaver
466
00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:16,461
and Adrienne Barbeau
and this old crate,
467
00:22:16,503 --> 00:22:17,855
and you're just waiting
for Fluffy.
468
00:22:19,673 --> 00:22:21,317
I remember, as a kid,
I read "Fangoria" magazine
469
00:22:21,341 --> 00:22:22,676
and I saw pictures
470
00:22:22,717 --> 00:22:24,302
of the monster
that they called Fluffy.
471
00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:26,179
And when that thing comes out
of the crate...
472
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,101
The fun is inventing how
to do this stuff.
473
00:22:33,812 --> 00:22:36,690
You know, the script, kind of,
is sometimes very vague.
474
00:22:36,731 --> 00:22:38,900
"We see a flash
of fur and teeth."
475
00:22:40,819 --> 00:22:42,571
Well, I gotta create
a creature from that
476
00:22:42,612 --> 00:22:44,447
that comes out of a crate
477
00:22:44,489 --> 00:22:45,967
underneath steps
in "Creepshow," you know?
478
00:22:45,991 --> 00:22:47,659
Something shiny.
479
00:22:47,701 --> 00:22:49,595
I had never built an
animatronic creature before.
480
00:22:49,619 --> 00:22:52,581
So I called Rob Bottin
on the phone.
481
00:22:52,622 --> 00:22:54,416
Took me to his house.
482
00:22:54,457 --> 00:22:56,334
He tore the skins off
to show me
483
00:22:56,376 --> 00:22:58,837
how the mechanisms worked
in the heads,
484
00:22:58,879 --> 00:23:00,422
the fake heads
that he was making.
485
00:23:03,466 --> 00:23:05,302
As great as "The Crate" is,
486
00:23:05,343 --> 00:23:08,471
nothing quite prepares you
for E.G. Marshall's performance
487
00:23:08,513 --> 00:23:09,848
as Upson Pratt.
488
00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:11,808
"This is Upson Pratt,
the Upson Pratt."
489
00:23:11,850 --> 00:23:13,995
Well, I found another
cockroach this evening, George.
490
00:23:14,019 --> 00:23:15,020
Oh, no.
491
00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:16,605
One of those big ones
492
00:23:16,646 --> 00:23:19,316
right here in my $3,200-a-month
penthouse apartment.
493
00:23:22,736 --> 00:23:25,488
Upson Pratt is a
wealthy and vicious germaphobe
494
00:23:25,530 --> 00:23:27,032
who treats everyone
like vermin.
495
00:23:27,073 --> 00:23:29,284
You might go far, boy.
496
00:23:29,326 --> 00:23:32,057
I've noticed that,
in service jobs,
497
00:23:32,058 --> 00:23:34,789
people like yourself often do...
498
00:23:34,831 --> 00:23:36,374
people of color.
499
00:23:36,416 --> 00:23:38,877
You know, the Marshall story
does represent
500
00:23:38,919 --> 00:23:40,420
a lot
of the sociopolitical things
501
00:23:40,462 --> 00:23:42,714
that were going on at the time,
you know,
502
00:23:42,756 --> 00:23:46,217
with him being
a blatant racist character
503
00:23:46,259 --> 00:23:48,261
who is trying to live
504
00:23:48,303 --> 00:23:50,239
in this sort of protected
white bubble, literally,
505
00:23:50,263 --> 00:23:51,973
in his compound,
506
00:23:52,015 --> 00:23:53,391
and he's terrified
507
00:23:53,433 --> 00:23:56,061
of other things
getting into that world.
508
00:23:57,270 --> 00:23:59,189
Damn bugs... ugh!
509
00:23:59,230 --> 00:24:00,941
Bugs!
510
00:24:00,982 --> 00:24:02,692
Now you'd have
a digital cockroach.
511
00:24:02,734 --> 00:24:04,086
Back then, you really had
to do it with cockroaches.
512
00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:05,487
Cockroaches.
513
00:24:05,528 --> 00:24:06,839
They were everywhere, Eli!
- Yeah.
514
00:24:06,863 --> 00:24:08,007
Those cockroaches
were everywhere.
515
00:24:13,036 --> 00:24:14,996
And when we did the
final scene, where the b...
516
00:24:15,038 --> 00:24:18,625
he just sort of explodes
with bugs all inside him...
517
00:24:18,667 --> 00:24:21,670
everybody was, like, right...
518
00:24:21,711 --> 00:24:24,297
nervous, scared to death.
519
00:24:24,339 --> 00:24:25,966
It could be one take.
- Yeah.
520
00:24:26,007 --> 00:24:27,634
That's the only thing
you could do.
521
00:24:27,676 --> 00:24:29,219
There were, I,
5,000 cockroaches
522
00:24:29,260 --> 00:24:32,430
and they were gonna blow 'em
through this... this tube.
523
00:24:34,057 --> 00:24:35,433
Quiet on the set,
524
00:24:35,475 --> 00:24:36,977
get the cockroaches ready.
525
00:24:37,018 --> 00:24:39,312
You know, cue the cockroaches.
526
00:24:47,946 --> 00:24:49,531
And it was perfect
527
00:24:49,572 --> 00:24:51,992
and everybody in the ple
just exploded into applause.
528
00:24:52,033 --> 00:24:53,451
It's one of the...
529
00:24:53,493 --> 00:24:55,453
it's one of the great,
great moments in movies.
530
00:24:57,622 --> 00:24:59,666
"Creepshow" was...
was way ahead of its time
531
00:24:59,708 --> 00:25:02,877
in terms of George
and Steve King's
532
00:25:02,919 --> 00:25:05,088
sort of love letter
to EC comics.
533
00:25:09,217 --> 00:25:11,803
Doing "Creepshow" reay
was... was their opportunity
534
00:25:11,845 --> 00:25:15,640
to pay tribute to the stuff
that inspired them.
535
00:25:17,517 --> 00:25:19,436
In "Creepshow,"
536
00:25:19,477 --> 00:25:22,480
bad people are punished
with gruesome deaths.
537
00:25:22,522 --> 00:25:24,691
The violence upset audiences
538
00:25:24,733 --> 00:25:28,737
expecting a
lightweight comic book movie,
539
00:25:28,778 --> 00:25:31,197
but to really upset Americans,
540
00:25:31,239 --> 00:25:32,657
do what Brian De Palma did:
541
00:25:32,699 --> 00:25:36,161
make a horror film about sex.
542
00:25:45,128 --> 00:25:47,172
Few things
provoke audiences more
543
00:25:47,213 --> 00:25:49,466
than sexual violence.
544
00:25:49,507 --> 00:25:51,593
It's a taboo region
545
00:25:51,634 --> 00:25:54,846
that horror films
are uniquely able to explore
546
00:25:54,888 --> 00:25:57,599
because horror goes
where the timid fear to tread.
547
00:26:00,226 --> 00:26:02,312
And even
a comically bad slasher
548
00:26:02,353 --> 00:26:05,607
can carry a surprising message
about toxic masculinity.
549
00:26:05,648 --> 00:26:08,193
Where did this filth
come from?
550
00:26:15,075 --> 00:26:19,204
"Pieces" is one of the
greatest WTF horror films
551
00:26:19,245 --> 00:26:20,245
of all time.
552
00:26:23,792 --> 00:26:25,502
For me, it might be
553
00:26:25,543 --> 00:26:26,729
my favorite horror movie
of all time
554
00:26:26,753 --> 00:26:28,046
after all these years
555
00:26:28,088 --> 00:26:29,506
because it just defies
every rule
556
00:26:29,547 --> 00:26:30,882
of what you're supposed t do.
557
00:26:33,551 --> 00:26:35,095
It is so absurd
558
00:26:35,136 --> 00:26:37,680
that, if you put it on
with a room of people,
559
00:26:37,722 --> 00:26:39,140
you will guarantee to have
560
00:26:39,182 --> 00:26:40,618
the whole audience come ot
of it going,
561
00:26:40,642 --> 00:26:41,994
"That's the best movie
I've ever seen."
562
00:26:48,108 --> 00:26:51,653
Horror is the genre that
gave us the idea of bad-good.
563
00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:57,426
Like, there can be
a really great horror movie,
564
00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:59,619
and that's fun to watch,
but a really bad horror movie
565
00:26:59,661 --> 00:27:01,246
can be fun to watch too.
566
00:27:01,287 --> 00:27:03,915
Bastard!
567
00:27:03,957 --> 00:27:06,251
Bastard!
568
00:27:08,253 --> 00:27:10,171
Bastard!
569
00:27:12,423 --> 00:27:14,592
The plot of "Piec"
follows a campus stud
570
00:27:14,634 --> 00:27:16,928
and an undercover policewoman
571
00:27:16,970 --> 00:27:20,431
trying to catch
a mysterious chainsaw killer.
572
00:27:23,268 --> 00:27:25,603
It's got all the classic
tropes of slasher movies.
573
00:27:27,438 --> 00:27:28,857
You!
574
00:27:28,898 --> 00:27:30,942
They have these
beautiful Spanish girls
575
00:27:30,984 --> 00:27:32,545
that always get naked right
before they're chopped.
576
00:27:34,487 --> 00:27:36,156
The deaths
are so over-the-top.
577
00:27:40,326 --> 00:27:41,828
At the end of the film,
578
00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:43,496
the police catch the killer
579
00:27:43,538 --> 00:27:45,790
and they're about to leave
580
00:27:45,832 --> 00:27:47,667
and they open the door
and the body falls out.
581
00:27:47,709 --> 00:27:49,002
Really...
582
00:27:52,422 --> 00:27:54,465
And you realize
583
00:27:54,507 --> 00:27:55,818
this guy's been making
a human jigsaw puzzle.
584
00:27:55,842 --> 00:27:56,718
It's an incredible
shock moment.
585
00:28:02,432 --> 00:28:03,975
And then at the very end,
586
00:28:04,017 --> 00:28:06,394
Ian Sera comes back
'cause he forgot his coat
587
00:28:06,436 --> 00:28:08,229
and the hand of the body
comes out
588
00:28:08,271 --> 00:28:11,191
and just rips
his genitals off.
589
00:28:15,111 --> 00:28:16,613
You can watch the move
on one level
590
00:28:16,654 --> 00:28:18,132
and go, "This is a grade-Z
slasher movie."
591
00:28:18,156 --> 00:28:19,490
Or you could say,
592
00:28:19,532 --> 00:28:21,242
"This is a subversive
work of art
593
00:28:21,284 --> 00:28:23,995
"by a master director
who's making a comment
594
00:28:24,037 --> 00:28:27,665
on this character who uses
women like pieces of meat."
595
00:28:27,707 --> 00:28:29,584
These girls are then killed
596
00:28:29,626 --> 00:28:33,546
and the body...
is the residual anger.
597
00:28:33,547 --> 00:28:35,006
The anger of these girls
598
00:28:35,048 --> 00:28:36,758
and the resentment
of these girls
599
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:41,179
of being used by this guy
all boils up
600
00:28:41,221 --> 00:28:43,890
and they castrate him
at the end of the movie.
601
00:28:43,932 --> 00:28:45,808
You don't expect great depth
602
00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:48,519
from a movie like "Pieces."
603
00:28:48,561 --> 00:28:51,856
More confounding to critics
is when a brilliant filmmaker
604
00:28:51,898 --> 00:28:54,108
deliberately challenges
an audience
605
00:28:54,150 --> 00:28:57,654
by fusing sex and violence
with high cinematic style.
606
00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:02,659
Brian De Palmas
"Dressed to Kill,"
607
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:04,869
a provocative film
608
00:29:04,911 --> 00:29:08,373
about the corrosive effects
of sexual repression.
609
00:29:08,414 --> 00:29:11,417
"Dressed to Kill"
is an interesting juxtaposition
610
00:29:11,459 --> 00:29:14,545
of two women's expression
of their own sexuality...
611
00:29:14,587 --> 00:29:16,214
one being
a conservative housewife
612
00:29:16,256 --> 00:29:18,174
who is oppressed
by her sexuality
613
00:29:18,216 --> 00:29:20,176
and one being
a young sex worker
614
00:29:20,218 --> 00:29:23,137
who is empowered
by her sexuality...
615
00:29:23,179 --> 00:29:25,723
and the man who
is a psychiatrist
616
00:29:25,765 --> 00:29:28,434
who is his own worst patient
617
00:29:28,476 --> 00:29:30,061
who's trying
to draw the bridge
618
00:29:30,103 --> 00:29:33,398
between his own relationship
with his sexuality
619
00:29:33,439 --> 00:29:36,609
and these two women.
620
00:29:36,651 --> 00:29:38,569
Sexually frustrated Kate,
621
00:29:38,611 --> 00:29:40,488
played by Angie Dickinson,
622
00:29:40,530 --> 00:29:43,950
acts the part of
the perfect wife and mother,
623
00:29:43,992 --> 00:29:48,079
but she yearns
for a more stimulating life.
624
00:29:48,121 --> 00:29:51,249
Kate confides her feelings
to her psychiatrist,
625
00:29:51,291 --> 00:29:53,418
arousing his own
secret desires.
626
00:29:54,669 --> 00:29:56,754
Would you want to sleep
with me?
627
00:29:56,796 --> 00:29:57,964
Yes.
628
00:30:05,221 --> 00:30:07,015
Then, in a shocking twist,
629
00:30:07,056 --> 00:30:08,808
Kate is brutally murdered
630
00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:12,186
by a mysterious
black-gloved killer...
631
00:30:15,815 --> 00:30:18,234
A crime witnessed
by the movie's other heroine,
632
00:30:18,276 --> 00:30:21,779
Liz Blake,
played by Nancy Allen.
633
00:30:21,821 --> 00:30:24,365
I think my nightmares
on "Dressed to Kill"
634
00:30:24,407 --> 00:30:27,035
really started when they did
the...
635
00:30:30,580 --> 00:30:33,541
It's so strange
because it's all so technical.
636
00:30:36,836 --> 00:30:38,755
But emotionally,
637
00:30:38,796 --> 00:30:41,341
it really does...
somehow, it gets in.
638
00:30:41,382 --> 00:30:44,135
At least with me,
it gets back in there.
639
00:30:46,012 --> 00:30:49,515
Maybe it's all "Psycho's" fault
for making me so scared.
640
00:30:52,268 --> 00:30:53,978
Alfred Hitchcock's "Psycho"
641
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:55,897
famously kills off
its protagonist
642
00:30:55,938 --> 00:30:58,232
more than half an hour
into the film.
643
00:31:03,237 --> 00:31:06,407
"Dressed to Kill" both updates
and parodies "Psycho."
644
00:31:08,326 --> 00:31:10,995
De Palma turns
the trail blazed by Hitchcock
645
00:31:11,037 --> 00:31:13,289
into a slyly satirical
boulevard,
646
00:31:13,331 --> 00:31:16,667
going places
Hitchcock couldn't in 1960.
647
00:31:18,836 --> 00:31:20,397
The second half
of "Dressed to Kill"
648
00:31:20,421 --> 00:31:21,839
is a detective story
649
00:31:21,881 --> 00:31:24,217
led by two amateur sleuths:
650
00:31:24,258 --> 00:31:27,678
Liz Blake
and Kate's adoring son Peter,
651
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,806
played by Keith Gordon.
652
00:31:29,847 --> 00:31:31,933
Every scene is enhanced
653
00:31:31,974 --> 00:31:34,602
by De Palma's vast knowledge
of film technique.
654
00:31:37,146 --> 00:31:39,107
Obviously,
the story involves
655
00:31:39,148 --> 00:31:42,443
a lot of double and mirror
and two people looking alike
656
00:31:42,485 --> 00:31:45,446
and, you know, having
two personalities and splits.
657
00:31:47,115 --> 00:31:49,784
Really good visual directors
will find themes
658
00:31:49,826 --> 00:31:51,887
and then they'll continue
to find places to inject it
659
00:31:51,911 --> 00:31:53,389
where maybe they hadn't
even planned ahead of time,
660
00:31:53,413 --> 00:31:55,206
but they keep
seeing opportunities.
661
00:31:55,248 --> 00:31:56,916
When I speak
of transsexuals,
662
00:31:56,958 --> 00:31:58,793
I tend to speak
of male-to-female
663
00:31:58,835 --> 00:32:00,270
because there are
a whole lot more of them
664
00:32:00,294 --> 00:32:01,921
than the going the other way.
665
00:32:01,963 --> 00:32:04,424
The scene I remember the most
is the television
666
00:32:04,465 --> 00:32:06,884
where Donahue
is interviewing someone
667
00:32:06,926 --> 00:32:08,970
and Michael Caine
is watching it.
668
00:32:09,011 --> 00:32:11,264
Just the... the lighting,
the way it's photographed,
669
00:32:11,305 --> 00:32:13,057
and as kid,
split screens drive me crazy.
670
00:32:13,099 --> 00:32:14,535
You're like,
"What am I supposed to watch?
671
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:15,852
What am I supposed to watch?"
672
00:32:15,893 --> 00:32:17,287
But you just
sort of give over to it.
673
00:32:17,311 --> 00:32:18,705
It's got a very,
very interesting effect
674
00:32:18,729 --> 00:32:21,023
on the audience.
675
00:32:21,065 --> 00:32:22,023
More than that, I've alwas
been a devout heterosexual.
676
00:32:23,901 --> 00:32:25,903
The interview
with the transsexual woman
677
00:32:25,945 --> 00:32:28,114
signals to the audience
that Kate's psychiatrist,
678
00:32:28,156 --> 00:32:30,867
played by Michael Caine...
679
00:32:30,908 --> 00:32:33,077
is also the killer.
680
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:35,079
The cinematography
is absolutely gorgeous.
681
00:32:35,121 --> 00:32:36,831
It's breathtaking.
682
00:32:36,873 --> 00:32:38,499
So it's unfortunate
683
00:32:38,541 --> 00:32:42,253
that I... it sits on a foundation
of transphobia
684
00:32:42,295 --> 00:32:46,466
in a really big way,
in a really blatant way.
685
00:32:46,507 --> 00:32:48,050
It played into a lot
of clichés.
686
00:32:48,092 --> 00:32:49,844
I mean, there were, you know...
687
00:32:49,886 --> 00:32:51,387
trans people as being weird,
688
00:32:51,429 --> 00:32:54,515
being dangerous, being other,
being crazy.
689
00:32:54,557 --> 00:32:58,436
Because "Dressed to Kill"
came out at a time
690
00:32:58,478 --> 00:33:03,524
when trans people were
still thought of as illegal,
691
00:33:03,566 --> 00:33:07,153
making us murderers
made perfect sense.
692
00:33:07,195 --> 00:33:09,113
It wasn't a big stretch
693
00:33:09,155 --> 00:33:12,116
to think that we would go
from jail to killing someone.
694
00:33:14,535 --> 00:33:16,295
I don't think
that's what Brian's intention
695
00:33:16,329 --> 00:33:17,788
of making the film was about.
696
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:19,373
Doesn't mean it's cool.
697
00:33:19,415 --> 00:33:20,767
I mean, you know, I mean,
that part of the film,
698
00:33:20,791 --> 00:33:23,127
I feel like yeah,
that has not dated well.
699
00:33:23,169 --> 00:33:25,463
In 1980,
700
00:33:25,505 --> 00:33:28,174
far more people were upset
by the character of Liz Blake,
701
00:33:28,216 --> 00:33:30,635
a sex worker the movie
never judges or shames.
702
00:33:30,676 --> 00:33:31,928
Well, hi.
703
00:33:31,969 --> 00:33:33,638
I'm Lz
from the escort service.
704
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:36,014
I love Liz Blake.
705
00:33:36,015 --> 00:33:38,518
She's smart.
She has a sense of humor.
706
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:42,146
She's comfortable
with her sexuality.
707
00:33:42,188 --> 00:33:43,814
She's not afraid of it
708
00:33:43,856 --> 00:33:45,441
or feels like she has
to cover it up.
709
00:33:45,483 --> 00:33:47,443
She just... she's a free s...
kind of free spirit.
710
00:33:47,485 --> 00:33:48,861
Do you think
you could put together
711
00:33:48,903 --> 00:33:52,031
a... a coffee break
and a hot lunch?
712
00:33:52,073 --> 00:33:53,908
For tomorrow?
713
00:33:53,950 --> 00:33:57,161
Yeah, I need a thousand dollars
for my mother's operation.
714
00:33:57,203 --> 00:34:01,123
Which was somewhat reflective
of my own personality,
715
00:34:01,165 --> 00:34:02,667
but not completely, you know?
716
00:34:02,708 --> 00:34:04,335
I am a child of the '50s.
717
00:34:04,377 --> 00:34:06,170
So I do have that repression.
718
00:34:06,212 --> 00:34:08,047
Liz still lives
in me a little bit.
719
00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:10,341
Thank God straight s
are still in style.
720
00:34:12,134 --> 00:34:15,721
That's why the film doesn't
smack of misogyny to me...
721
00:34:15,763 --> 00:34:17,598
because it feels like
722
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,561
Brian De Palma
trying to understand
723
00:34:21,602 --> 00:34:24,855
why people are so hung up
on their sexuality.
724
00:34:26,899 --> 00:34:29,569
And it is designed to get you
725
00:34:29,610 --> 00:34:31,070
to question
your own relationship
726
00:34:31,112 --> 00:34:33,281
with your sexuality.
727
00:34:33,322 --> 00:34:35,575
In the hands of a master,
728
00:34:35,616 --> 00:34:38,369
graphic scenes of violence
become stylish explorations
729
00:34:38,411 --> 00:34:40,371
of the language of cinema,
730
00:34:40,413 --> 00:34:42,915
but film can also
be a blunt instrument...
731
00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:48,129
Using violent horror
732
00:34:48,170 --> 00:34:49,815
to make us face
the worst parts of ourselves.
733
00:34:58,764 --> 00:35:01,601
My great love
is Italian horror.
734
00:35:03,811 --> 00:35:05,771
Italian horror, as opposed
to American horror...
735
00:35:05,813 --> 00:35:07,082
they're like horror movies
with no rules.
736
00:35:07,106 --> 00:35:08,316
There were no limits on gore.
737
00:35:16,282 --> 00:35:18,200
In the '70s and '80s,
738
00:35:18,242 --> 00:35:20,036
directors like Mario Bava,
Lucio Fulci,
739
00:35:20,077 --> 00:35:21,704
and Dario Argento...
740
00:35:23,748 --> 00:35:25,708
Took the conventions of horror
741
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:28,628
and dialed them up
to operatic intensity.
742
00:35:31,297 --> 00:35:32,840
They didn't know
you weren't allowed
743
00:35:32,882 --> 00:35:35,343
to have eyeballs exploding
and eviscerations,
744
00:35:35,384 --> 00:35:38,429
whereas American movies or
Canadian movies like "Scanners"
745
00:35:38,471 --> 00:35:41,474
had one big moment
or a couple of big moments.
746
00:35:46,729 --> 00:35:48,230
The Italian movies,
747
00:35:48,272 --> 00:35:51,400
it's just like one after
another after another.
748
00:35:51,442 --> 00:35:53,361
Dario Argento's debut film,
749
00:35:53,402 --> 00:35:55,738
"The Bird
with the Crystal Plumage,"
750
00:35:55,780 --> 00:35:58,783
took the brutal Italian
crime genre called giallo...
751
00:36:01,118 --> 00:36:02,620
And turned it into high art.
752
00:36:08,376 --> 00:36:10,252
So there was certain tropes
you had to follow
753
00:36:10,294 --> 00:36:12,129
for it to be a giallo.
754
00:36:12,171 --> 00:36:14,507
You had to have red herrings.
755
00:36:14,548 --> 00:36:16,526
You had to be guessing who the
killer was the whole movie.
756
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:19,428
The killer had to wear gloves.
757
00:36:21,305 --> 00:36:23,599
Dario Argento rewrites
the rules
758
00:36:23,641 --> 00:36:24,993
with "The Bird
with the Crystal Plumage."
759
00:36:28,604 --> 00:36:30,856
It's got all of
the signature things
760
00:36:30,898 --> 00:36:33,001
from Argento and the mot
fantastic score by Morricone.
761
00:36:33,025 --> 00:36:35,027
The black-gloved killer...
762
00:36:35,069 --> 00:36:37,279
that, most of the time,
was Dario Argento's hands
763
00:36:37,321 --> 00:36:38,698
'cause it had
to be done right.
764
00:36:40,491 --> 00:36:42,993
Penetrating the victim
with a knife...
765
00:36:45,121 --> 00:36:46,872
But very, very stylish.
766
00:36:49,542 --> 00:36:53,003
"Bird with the Crystal
Plumage" really announces
767
00:36:53,045 --> 00:36:55,214
the era
of the modern horror film...
768
00:36:59,385 --> 00:37:02,513
And was a big
influence on Brian De Palma.
769
00:37:02,555 --> 00:37:04,724
You look at
"Dressed to Kill"
770
00:37:04,765 --> 00:37:06,702
and you look at "Bird
with the Crystal Plumage"...
771
00:37:06,726 --> 00:37:07,744
you could put the movies
on top of each other.
772
00:37:09,729 --> 00:37:11,814
But the most groundbreaking,
773
00:37:11,856 --> 00:37:14,775
provocative Italian horror
film of all time...
774
00:37:16,527 --> 00:37:19,572
Is Ruggero Deodato's
"Cannibal Holocaust."
775
00:37:21,782 --> 00:37:25,244
Deodato apprenticed under
two master directors,
776
00:37:25,286 --> 00:37:28,581
Sergio Corbucci
and Roberto Rossellini.
777
00:37:28,622 --> 00:37:30,124
Francesco!
778
00:37:30,166 --> 00:37:32,752
Francesco! Francesco!
779
00:37:32,793 --> 00:37:34,462
Think of the violence
and the realism
780
00:37:34,503 --> 00:37:35,880
of "Rome, Open City"...
781
00:37:37,173 --> 00:37:39,842
Mama! Mama!
782
00:37:42,428 --> 00:37:45,222
And the violence and
politics of Corbucci's films.
783
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,896
And you combine them
and you get Ruggero Deodato.
784
00:37:53,355 --> 00:37:54,583
You're about to witness
an ancient ritual
785
00:37:54,607 --> 00:37:56,650
never before seen
by civilized man.
786
00:37:56,692 --> 00:37:59,737
And that's why "Cannibal
Holocaust" is so effective.
787
00:37:59,779 --> 00:38:01,238
It's no accident.
788
00:38:04,825 --> 00:38:08,496
Today is, uh,
Saturday the 25th.
789
00:38:08,537 --> 00:38:10,915
If I were in New York
right now,
790
00:38:10,956 --> 00:38:13,042
I'd probably be out shopping.
791
00:38:13,083 --> 00:38:14,227
"Cannibal Holocaust" is
the first
792
00:38:14,251 --> 00:38:15,586
kind of found-footage movie.
793
00:38:23,052 --> 00:38:24,970
"Cannibal Holocaust"
starts out
794
00:38:25,012 --> 00:38:26,514
with a group
of documentary filmmakers
795
00:38:26,555 --> 00:38:28,974
who went down to the jungles
of the Amazon
796
00:38:29,016 --> 00:38:31,519
to make a movie about cannibals
and never returned.
797
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,038
Are they still alive?
798
00:38:33,062 --> 00:38:34,814
And if so, where are they?
799
00:38:34,855 --> 00:38:36,232
They've disappeared
800
00:38:36,273 --> 00:38:37,983
and we don't know
what happened to them,
801
00:38:38,025 --> 00:38:39,819
so then Professor Monroe
goes through
802
00:38:39,860 --> 00:38:41,111
and kind of retraces
their steps
803
00:38:41,153 --> 00:38:43,280
and finds all these clues
804
00:38:43,322 --> 00:38:45,407
until he finally finds
the skulls of the people,
805
00:38:45,449 --> 00:38:47,910
and they're dead and there are
all the film cans there.
806
00:38:50,538 --> 00:38:52,039
Okay.
807
00:38:52,081 --> 00:38:53,791
The second half of the moe
808
00:38:53,833 --> 00:38:55,519
is him back in New York City,
watching the footage,
809
00:38:55,543 --> 00:38:57,002
and what he sees is shocking.
810
00:39:03,592 --> 00:39:05,469
You know this
is gonna make us famous.
811
00:39:05,511 --> 00:39:06,637
Yeah, you think so, huh?
812
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:07,972
- Yeah.
- How famous?
813
00:39:08,013 --> 00:39:09,932
Real famous and real rich.
814
00:39:09,974 --> 00:39:12,226
Die!
815
00:39:12,268 --> 00:39:14,478
But Professor Monroe
discovers
816
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,581
that it wasn't that these
documentary gr... filmmakers
817
00:39:16,605 --> 00:39:17,916
were preyed on by cannibals
and eaten by cannibals.
818
00:39:17,940 --> 00:39:19,400
They were actually
te manipulators.
819
00:39:32,538 --> 00:39:35,207
Deodato has said
the film was a reaction
820
00:39:35,249 --> 00:39:37,459
to the media's
sensationalized coverage
821
00:39:37,501 --> 00:39:39,169
of Italian terrorists.
822
00:39:41,213 --> 00:39:42,965
But for many viewers,
823
00:39:43,007 --> 00:39:45,050
the political message
was overshadowed
824
00:39:45,092 --> 00:39:47,511
by the film's
extremely realistic violence.
825
00:39:49,722 --> 00:39:51,682
Everyone thought
"Cannibal Holocaust" was real,
826
00:39:51,683 --> 00:39:54,393
and this was years before
"Blair Witch."
827
00:39:54,435 --> 00:39:56,604
"Cannibal Holocaust"
was so shocking
828
00:39:56,645 --> 00:39:59,982
that Ruggero Deodato was
brought up on murder charges.
829
00:40:02,026 --> 00:40:04,153
But when he actually
ended up in court,
830
00:40:04,194 --> 00:40:06,780
Deodato was acquitted
on the... the human killing
831
00:40:06,822 --> 00:40:09,033
because he actually brought
out the actors and said,
832
00:40:09,074 --> 00:40:10,794
"Okay, you...
you think these guys are dead.
833
00:40:10,826 --> 00:40:11,869
Here they are."
834
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,707
"Cannibal Holocau"
deeply affected me,
835
00:40:16,749 --> 00:40:19,209
so much so that I had
to make my own cannibal movie.
836
00:40:21,587 --> 00:40:23,130
The documentary
837
00:40:23,172 --> 00:40:25,052
that the kids in
"Cannibal Holocaust" are making
838
00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:26,842
is called "The Green Inferno."
839
00:40:26,884 --> 00:40:29,053
So I named my movie
"The Green Inferno"
840
00:40:29,094 --> 00:40:30,554
as a nod
to "Cannibal Holocaust."
841
00:40:33,974 --> 00:40:35,851
This was the feature-film
version of that.
842
00:40:41,732 --> 00:40:43,943
Some artists are compelled
843
00:40:43,984 --> 00:40:47,071
to challenge their audience,
but how far is too far?
844
00:40:47,112 --> 00:40:50,574
For me, "Cannibal Holocaust"
is right at the edge.
845
00:40:50,616 --> 00:40:53,118
For others, it's way over it.
846
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,496
I really think it's a movie
that is so offensive
847
00:40:55,537 --> 00:40:56,997
and so horrific
848
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,375
and really has something
to offend everybody.
849
00:41:02,419 --> 00:41:03,712
It's supposed to be shocking.
850
00:41:03,754 --> 00:41:05,023
You're not supposed
to just watch it
851
00:41:05,047 --> 00:41:05,673
and then move on
to something else.
852
00:41:05,674 --> 00:41:07,216
You know,
853
00:41:07,257 --> 00:41:08,652
if you can get through
"Cannibal Holocaust,"
854
00:41:08,676 --> 00:41:09,736
you see some
of the most incredible,
855
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,303
incredible filmmaking ever.
856
00:41:18,686 --> 00:41:22,898
Horror is where
our nightmares come to life.
857
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:26,443
It reveals humanity
at its best and its worst...
858
00:41:28,487 --> 00:41:31,490
What we desire
and what we dread,
859
00:41:31,532 --> 00:41:32,741
who we are...
860
00:41:34,493 --> 00:41:35,804
And what
we're afraid we might be.
861
00:41:37,663 --> 00:41:38,723
If we have the courage
862
00:41:38,747 --> 00:41:40,541
to face our nightmares,
863
00:41:40,582 --> 00:41:42,376
we can conquer
our deepest fears.
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