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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,003 --> 00:00:04,088 I'm Eli Roth. 2 00:00:04,130 --> 00:00:07,383 I want to introduce you to nine uncategorizable films 3 00:00:07,425 --> 00:00:09,219 that pushed the boundaries of horror... 4 00:00:11,304 --> 00:00:14,682 Nine films that tell us dark truths about society 5 00:00:14,724 --> 00:00:16,351 and ourselves. 6 00:00:18,394 --> 00:00:19,830 Nine films filled with fear... 7 00:00:19,854 --> 00:00:21,022 and fun. 8 00:00:23,149 --> 00:00:25,151 Nine nightmars you'll never forget. 9 00:00:55,265 --> 00:00:58,226 Horror is the outlier genre of cinema. 10 00:00:58,268 --> 00:01:00,103 Some people fear it. 11 00:01:00,144 --> 00:01:02,981 Others don't respect it, 12 00:01:03,022 --> 00:01:05,817 but that renegade status lets it go places 13 00:01:05,858 --> 00:01:08,069 no other genre can reach. 14 00:01:08,111 --> 00:01:12,365 Great horror films entertain us and provoke us. 15 00:01:12,407 --> 00:01:15,410 They put society under a microscope... 16 00:01:15,451 --> 00:01:17,620 Sam? 17 00:01:17,662 --> 00:01:18,806 Making us questn not just what we fear... 18 00:01:21,249 --> 00:01:22,875 But why we fear it. 19 00:01:25,086 --> 00:01:27,213 And there's no better recent example 20 00:01:27,255 --> 00:01:29,799 than Jordan Peele's "Us." 21 00:01:31,884 --> 00:01:37,056 In 2017, Jordan released his first film, "Get Out," 22 00:01:37,098 --> 00:01:39,309 an Oscar-winning commercial and critical hit 23 00:01:39,350 --> 00:01:42,729 satirizing racism in America. 24 00:01:44,147 --> 00:01:48,443 The Armitages are so good to us. 25 00:01:48,484 --> 00:01:50,421 What you experienced in your first movie is, like, 26 00:01:50,445 --> 00:01:51,904 to come up with the Academy Award, 27 00:01:51,946 --> 00:01:53,573 to make a movie that is, like, 28 00:01:53,615 --> 00:01:55,908 probably the most culturally significant horror film 29 00:01:55,950 --> 00:01:57,702 since "Night of the Living Dead," 30 00:01:57,744 --> 00:01:59,912 and then you're like, "Now I have to follow that up." 31 00:01:59,954 --> 00:02:03,166 The expectations were a bitch. 32 00:02:03,207 --> 00:02:05,710 As you know, you, like... you kind of have to say, 33 00:02:05,752 --> 00:02:08,087 "Okay, well what got me here in the first place?" 34 00:02:08,129 --> 00:02:11,007 looking at "Get Out" and imagining 35 00:02:11,049 --> 00:02:12,216 what people are expecting. 36 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,573 If I can kind of start to understand or pinpoint 37 00:02:17,597 --> 00:02:20,099 what I think people are expecting, 38 00:02:20,141 --> 00:02:23,978 I can start to plot how to suvert that. 39 00:02:35,823 --> 00:02:39,702 There is a Black family vacationing in Santa Cruz 40 00:02:39,744 --> 00:02:41,579 at their summer home, 41 00:02:41,621 --> 00:02:43,140 basically the only Black family you can see 42 00:02:43,164 --> 00:02:44,666 on this beach. 43 00:02:44,707 --> 00:02:46,959 So it speaks to isolation almost immediately. 44 00:02:47,001 --> 00:02:51,297 And over the course of a normal evening, the young son, Jason, 45 00:02:51,339 --> 00:02:53,633 realizes there's a family standing outside. 46 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,056 And once the family breaks into the house, 47 00:03:00,098 --> 00:03:03,142 we realize these are doppelgangers, 48 00:03:03,184 --> 00:03:05,311 that everyone who's broken into the house 49 00:03:05,353 --> 00:03:09,107 is a mirror image of this family. 50 00:03:11,275 --> 00:03:13,087 You know, I think both films, in a strange way, 51 00:03:13,111 --> 00:03:15,488 are about losing your identity and sort of who you are... 52 00:03:15,530 --> 00:03:17,532 like, what the external world sees 53 00:03:17,573 --> 00:03:19,409 and what you are on the inside. 54 00:03:19,450 --> 00:03:22,829 Both of these movies became clear to me 55 00:03:22,870 --> 00:03:25,164 when I decided to be vulnerable 56 00:03:25,206 --> 00:03:27,125 and... and... and look... look within. 57 00:03:30,503 --> 00:03:33,005 Asked myself what really scares me, 58 00:03:33,047 --> 00:03:36,676 asked myself what I'm not ready to face. 59 00:03:36,718 --> 00:03:38,761 What are you people? 60 00:03:38,803 --> 00:03:41,848 Which felt related to what we're not ready to face. 61 00:03:41,889 --> 00:03:44,308 We're Americans. 62 00:03:46,227 --> 00:03:47,854 What would it be like to see someone 63 00:03:47,895 --> 00:03:49,396 who looked exactly like you? 64 00:03:49,397 --> 00:03:51,065 Who is that person? What does that mean? 65 00:03:51,107 --> 00:03:52,692 Are they taking something away from you, 66 00:03:52,734 --> 00:03:54,902 or are you taking something away from them? 67 00:03:54,944 --> 00:03:57,321 Run! 68 00:03:57,363 --> 00:03:59,490 At first, 69 00:03:59,532 --> 00:04:01,534 the film seems to be about one family in peril... 70 00:04:03,244 --> 00:04:05,246 Then we discover 71 00:04:05,288 --> 00:04:07,790 everyone has a doppelgangr living underground, 72 00:04:07,832 --> 00:04:11,461 invisibly tethered to their counterparts on the surface. 73 00:04:11,502 --> 00:04:14,338 Now, our tethered twins have emerged 74 00:04:14,380 --> 00:04:15,923 to murder us. 75 00:04:20,428 --> 00:04:22,197 I remember you telling me after we shot last year 76 00:04:22,221 --> 00:04:23,490 that you were gonna go shoot something 77 00:04:23,514 --> 00:04:24,599 that felt like "Lost Boys" 78 00:04:28,686 --> 00:04:30,605 Yeah, we're in the same place... 79 00:04:30,646 --> 00:04:32,774 Santa Cruz Boardwalk... the exact same location. 80 00:04:32,815 --> 00:04:34,817 Did you hear the line about "Lost Boys" in there? 81 00:04:34,859 --> 00:04:36,628 You know, they're filming something about a carousel. 82 00:04:36,652 --> 00:04:38,654 You should see if they're looking for extras. 83 00:04:43,117 --> 00:04:44,303 But I always thought this idea of "Lost Boys"... 84 00:04:44,327 --> 00:04:46,162 that there's a monster up here, 85 00:04:46,204 --> 00:04:47,723 and so I thought, with that same location, 86 00:04:47,747 --> 00:04:49,832 what if there's a monster underneath as well? 87 00:04:49,874 --> 00:04:51,209 - Mm-hmm. - On the opposite side. 88 00:04:51,250 --> 00:04:52,627 Yeah. 89 00:04:52,668 --> 00:04:55,421 They created the Tethered 90 00:04:55,463 --> 00:04:58,216 so they could use them to control the ones above. 91 00:05:00,218 --> 00:05:02,678 Like puppets. 92 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,431 I was thinking about, uh, incarceration. 93 00:05:05,473 --> 00:05:07,058 I was thinking about class. - Mm-hmm. 94 00:05:07,099 --> 00:05:09,977 I... I was thinking about the term "us and them," 95 00:05:10,019 --> 00:05:12,188 the... the idea of "us and them" 96 00:05:12,230 --> 00:05:14,106 and the... the... the division 97 00:05:14,148 --> 00:05:16,651 when... when you sort of identify an "us." 98 00:05:16,692 --> 00:05:19,654 You create a "them." You create an other. 99 00:05:19,695 --> 00:05:22,281 Don't waste your strength. Don't try to fight it. 100 00:05:22,323 --> 00:05:24,826 You can't stop the inevitable. 101 00:05:24,867 --> 00:05:27,036 Much like "Get Out," 102 00:05:27,078 --> 00:05:29,956 this is a... a systemic monster we're dealing with. 103 00:05:29,997 --> 00:05:31,541 It really does appear to be, 104 00:05:31,582 --> 00:05:33,501 on a fairly straightforward level, 105 00:05:33,543 --> 00:05:35,670 a story about the haves and the have-nots. 106 00:05:44,220 --> 00:05:47,306 Sort of existing with a privilege 107 00:05:47,348 --> 00:05:50,560 and... and a privilege that many of us enjoy 108 00:05:50,601 --> 00:05:52,645 is a violent act. 109 00:05:52,687 --> 00:05:54,498 And that's... that's the central theme of "Us," 110 00:05:54,522 --> 00:05:56,315 is this idea that, 111 00:05:56,357 --> 00:05:58,317 when we look at the mirror, 112 00:05:58,359 --> 00:06:00,278 both individually and collectively, 113 00:06:00,319 --> 00:06:01,821 we might realize, well, 114 00:06:01,863 --> 00:06:04,907 it's not as simple as, "I'm the good guy." 115 00:06:04,949 --> 00:06:06,993 You know, we're all part of a system. 116 00:06:07,034 --> 00:06:10,246 There's a story behind everything we enjoy. 117 00:06:10,288 --> 00:06:12,665 There's a factory. There's a... a line. 118 00:06:12,707 --> 00:06:14,351 There's... there's somebody working overtime, 119 00:06:14,375 --> 00:06:16,294 you know, to... to try to make us happy 120 00:06:16,335 --> 00:06:17,670 if we can afford it. 121 00:06:19,505 --> 00:06:21,506 Our little pleasures are coming 122 00:06:21,507 --> 00:06:23,509 at the cost of invisible people 123 00:06:23,551 --> 00:06:24,987 that we really don't want to acknowledge or see 124 00:06:25,011 --> 00:06:27,013 because it's inconvenient. 125 00:06:29,181 --> 00:06:31,183 The family at the center of the film 126 00:06:31,225 --> 00:06:32,977 are better equipped to handle the Tethered 127 00:06:33,019 --> 00:06:34,729 than most horror fim protagonists... 128 00:06:37,023 --> 00:06:38,709 Partly becaus, as Black people in America, 129 00:06:38,733 --> 00:06:40,943 they are always on guard. 130 00:06:40,985 --> 00:06:42,421 Let's make some traps or something, 131 00:06:42,445 --> 00:06:44,071 like some "Home Alone"-type stuff. 132 00:06:44,113 --> 00:06:45,615 That way if she comes... 133 00:06:45,656 --> 00:06:47,384 Tell me you did not just reference "Home Alone." 134 00:06:47,408 --> 00:06:48,552 Well, having a Black protagonist 135 00:06:48,576 --> 00:06:50,161 in... in a horror movie, 136 00:06:50,202 --> 00:06:51,704 as a writer, is a trap 137 00:06:51,746 --> 00:06:55,207 because you can't have them do the stupid response. 138 00:06:55,249 --> 00:06:57,168 They have the upper hand. 139 00:06:57,209 --> 00:06:58,711 This is the time to run, 140 00:06:58,753 --> 00:07:02,423 not to be sprinkling Micro Machines on the floor. 141 00:07:02,465 --> 00:07:03,591 What are Micro Machines? 142 00:07:03,633 --> 00:07:05,217 What's "Home Alone"? 143 00:07:05,259 --> 00:07:07,553 It's... it's partly a satirical comment, 144 00:07:07,595 --> 00:07:10,222 but partly very grounded in real... real life. 145 00:07:10,264 --> 00:07:12,558 This country is... is a... 146 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,018 is a horror show... 147 00:07:14,060 --> 00:07:15,245 - Yeah. - For Black people, you know? 148 00:07:15,269 --> 00:07:16,288 This is... we're in a horror movie. 149 00:07:19,273 --> 00:07:21,400 I try and access 150 00:07:21,442 --> 00:07:22,234 what I'm actually afraid f or what I'm... you know. 151 00:07:22,235 --> 00:07:23,861 Mm-hmm. 152 00:07:23,903 --> 00:07:26,405 And that... part of the process of making these movies, 153 00:07:26,447 --> 00:07:29,075 I swear, I kind... I... I overcome my fear. 154 00:07:32,203 --> 00:07:34,080 Race and class divisions 155 00:07:34,121 --> 00:07:36,666 can turn everyday lives into horror movies, 156 00:07:36,707 --> 00:07:38,709 but what about people 157 00:07:38,751 --> 00:07:40,920 in the most privileged position in society? 158 00:07:40,962 --> 00:07:43,381 What nightmares stalk the ruling class? 159 00:07:48,552 --> 00:07:50,930 In the year 2000, 160 00:07:50,972 --> 00:07:53,099 Christian Bale gave an unforgettable performance 161 00:07:53,140 --> 00:07:56,018 as the antihero of "American Psycho"... 162 00:07:57,895 --> 00:07:59,563 A dark satire of human behavior 163 00:07:59,605 --> 00:08:01,565 at the top of the economic ladder. 164 00:08:03,567 --> 00:08:05,194 "American Psycho," 165 00:08:05,236 --> 00:08:08,030 based on the notorious novel by Bret Easton Ellis, 166 00:08:08,072 --> 00:08:11,450 is about a young, wealthy businessman 167 00:08:11,492 --> 00:08:13,411 who seems to have a perfect life. 168 00:08:13,452 --> 00:08:15,454 I work on Wall Street. 169 00:08:15,496 --> 00:08:17,123 So he's, uh, very handsome; 170 00:08:17,164 --> 00:08:19,083 he has a perfect apartment; 171 00:08:19,125 --> 00:08:21,293 he has a... you know, a high-paying job. 172 00:08:21,335 --> 00:08:22,753 So it's about someone 173 00:08:22,795 --> 00:08:25,006 whose life is full of perfect surfaces 174 00:08:25,047 --> 00:08:27,550 and who is so filled wi, sort of, rage and emptiness 175 00:08:27,591 --> 00:08:30,511 that he disembowels young women. 176 00:08:30,553 --> 00:08:32,221 I like to dissect girls. 177 00:08:32,263 --> 00:08:34,056 Did you know I'm utterly insane? 178 00:08:34,098 --> 00:08:35,433 Uh... 179 00:08:35,474 --> 00:08:37,727 Uh, great tan, Marcus. 180 00:08:37,768 --> 00:08:39,311 I mean, really impressive. 181 00:08:39,353 --> 00:08:41,147 Where do you tan? - Salon. 182 00:08:42,982 --> 00:08:47,069 "American Psycho" is one f the best satires of all time. 183 00:08:47,111 --> 00:08:50,114 You can always be thinner, look better. 184 00:08:50,156 --> 00:08:54,118 To me, it really, really caught what the '90s was about. 185 00:08:55,995 --> 00:08:57,955 Suddenly, metrosexuality came in 186 00:08:57,997 --> 00:09:00,541 and men became obsessive with grooming products, 187 00:09:00,583 --> 00:09:03,085 skin care, waxing, tanning booths. 188 00:09:03,127 --> 00:09:05,504 What beautiful skin you have, Mr. Bateman. 189 00:09:05,546 --> 00:09:07,465 And what suits you were wearing, 190 00:09:07,506 --> 00:09:10,384 the kind of explosion in fashion and commerce 191 00:09:10,426 --> 00:09:12,344 and restaurants and status. 192 00:09:12,386 --> 00:09:14,764 It was just this Wall Street world. 193 00:09:14,805 --> 00:09:16,724 Gene, great jacket. Matsuda? 194 00:09:16,766 --> 00:09:18,684 Valentino Couture. 195 00:09:18,726 --> 00:09:20,519 It's really a satire of consumerism... 196 00:09:20,561 --> 00:09:22,772 Where did you get that overnight bag? 197 00:09:22,813 --> 00:09:24,690 Jean Paul Gautier. 198 00:09:24,732 --> 00:09:26,400 You know, American vulture capitalism 199 00:09:26,442 --> 00:09:28,194 at the end of the 20th century. 200 00:09:28,235 --> 00:09:31,363 And it's all expressed in this person who looks good, 201 00:09:31,405 --> 00:09:33,574 but is actually a monster. 202 00:09:33,616 --> 00:09:35,159 I guess you could say 203 00:09:35,201 --> 00:09:36,386 I just wat to have meaningful relationship 204 00:09:36,410 --> 00:09:38,162 with someone special. 205 00:09:38,204 --> 00:09:40,956 I wanted Bateman to be the object of fear. 206 00:09:43,167 --> 00:09:45,336 When Christian and I were in preparation 207 00:09:45,377 --> 00:09:47,505 for "American Psycho," 208 00:09:47,546 --> 00:09:48,857 we talked about him as being like a... a Martian... 209 00:09:48,881 --> 00:09:50,424 someone from another planet 210 00:09:50,466 --> 00:09:52,301 who doesn't know how to be a human being. 211 00:09:54,804 --> 00:09:57,223 So when Bateman's going to have sex with someone, 212 00:09:57,264 --> 00:09:59,308 he watches a porno movie. 213 00:10:01,102 --> 00:10:02,937 If he's gonna, uh, commit a murder, 214 00:10:02,978 --> 00:10:05,022 he's gonna watch a... a faous horror movie. 215 00:10:07,316 --> 00:10:09,360 The fact that it was directed by a woman, I think, 216 00:10:09,401 --> 00:10:11,737 ws such an interesting counterbalance to the book. 217 00:10:11,779 --> 00:10:14,532 Even though he's doing all of these crazy things, 218 00:10:14,533 --> 00:10:17,284 there isn't this misogynist, 219 00:10:17,326 --> 00:10:20,412 anti-woman, kind of gross tone about the movie. 220 00:10:20,454 --> 00:10:21,747 Jean? 221 00:10:23,290 --> 00:10:25,251 Sorbet? 222 00:10:25,292 --> 00:10:26,561 When we were filming "American Psycho," 223 00:10:26,585 --> 00:10:28,504 I realized that 224 00:10:28,546 --> 00:10:30,381 the fear a woman has of going on a date 225 00:10:30,422 --> 00:10:33,759 or going to a guy's apartment and something bad happening 226 00:10:33,801 --> 00:10:35,761 or him suddenly transforming 227 00:10:35,803 --> 00:10:39,473 from one kind of person into another 228 00:10:39,515 --> 00:10:44,145 is... is a very strong female fear. 229 00:10:44,186 --> 00:10:46,272 Can we go now? 230 00:10:46,313 --> 00:10:48,566 We're not through yet. 231 00:10:48,607 --> 00:10:51,819 Movies are a way of exploring those fears. 232 00:10:59,410 --> 00:11:01,996 We don't want to admit it, but all of us... 233 00:11:02,037 --> 00:11:04,623 there's a part of us that is like Patrick Bateman, 234 00:11:04,665 --> 00:11:06,959 that is obsessive, that wants things. 235 00:11:07,001 --> 00:11:10,921 It's like this personification of all the greed 236 00:11:10,963 --> 00:11:13,591 and the vanity and the consumption 237 00:11:13,632 --> 00:11:15,426 and the vapidness... 238 00:11:15,467 --> 00:11:16,886 all the stuff that we suppress; 239 00:11:16,927 --> 00:11:18,888 that we say we don't have; 240 00:11:18,929 --> 00:11:20,639 that we say, "That's just other people"; 241 00:11:20,681 --> 00:11:22,308 it's all reflected in Patrick Bateman, 242 00:11:22,349 --> 00:11:23,934 but we're watching him 243 00:11:23,976 --> 00:11:26,395 and there is a part of him that's in all of us. 244 00:11:28,147 --> 00:11:29,523 I... 245 00:11:29,565 --> 00:11:32,151 Just have to kill a lot of people! 246 00:11:32,193 --> 00:11:33,611 And um... 247 00:11:37,907 --> 00:11:42,870 I'm not sure I'm gonna get awy with it this time. 248 00:11:42,912 --> 00:11:44,747 He's not punished at the end, 249 00:11:44,788 --> 00:11:46,474 so you're not giving the audience that satisfaction, 250 00:11:46,498 --> 00:11:47,708 actually. 251 00:11:47,750 --> 00:11:49,251 But I felt like the... 252 00:11:49,293 --> 00:11:52,463 the satirical and also of the moral point 253 00:11:52,504 --> 00:11:54,548 of Bret Easton Ellis's book 254 00:11:54,590 --> 00:11:56,675 was that he wouldn't get found out 255 00:11:56,717 --> 00:11:59,053 because society didn't care to find him out. 256 00:11:59,094 --> 00:12:02,848 I chopped Allen's head off. 257 00:12:02,890 --> 00:12:07,937 The whole message I left on your machine was true. 258 00:12:07,978 --> 00:12:11,357 Excuse me. I really must be going now. 259 00:12:11,398 --> 00:12:12,983 Society just didn't care 260 00:12:13,025 --> 00:12:15,611 as long as he conformed to the perfect, you know, 261 00:12:15,653 --> 00:12:17,571 surfaces and perfect, uh, stereotypes 262 00:12:17,613 --> 00:12:19,531 of... of the successful businessman. 263 00:12:19,573 --> 00:12:21,450 No one would bother. 264 00:12:21,492 --> 00:12:24,954 This confession has meant nothing. 265 00:12:29,041 --> 00:12:31,210 Faced with the emptiness of consumer culture, 266 00:12:31,252 --> 00:12:33,629 many turned to the spiritual comforts of religion. 267 00:12:33,671 --> 00:12:35,256 ...accursed! 268 00:12:37,258 --> 00:12:39,134 But there can be a fine line 269 00:12:39,176 --> 00:12:40,278 between a religion and a death cult. 270 00:12:40,302 --> 00:12:41,720 - No! - No! 271 00:12:46,267 --> 00:12:49,770 Most religions teach the way of peace, 272 00:12:49,812 --> 00:12:52,064 yet religious differences have led 273 00:12:52,106 --> 00:12:54,483 to an almost unthinkable amount of bloodshed. 274 00:12:54,525 --> 00:12:56,235 He brought you up to be a pagan. 275 00:12:58,237 --> 00:12:59,714 This paradox is at the heart 276 00:12:59,738 --> 00:13:01,323 of two films about faith... 277 00:13:02,866 --> 00:13:06,829 "Midsommar" from 2019... 278 00:13:06,870 --> 00:13:08,247 and "The Wicker Man"... 279 00:13:09,581 --> 00:13:11,250 From 1973. 280 00:13:12,751 --> 00:13:14,545 "The Wicker Man" has the reputation 281 00:13:14,586 --> 00:13:17,381 for being the greatest British horror film of all time. 282 00:13:19,633 --> 00:13:21,969 It was one of those movies I didn't see until late in life 283 00:13:22,011 --> 00:13:23,887 because I would look at the video box and go, 284 00:13:23,929 --> 00:13:26,056 "What's scary about a wicker man?" 285 00:13:26,098 --> 00:13:29,518 Oh, God! Oh, Jesus Christ! 286 00:13:31,770 --> 00:13:33,397 I finally saw it, 287 00:13:33,439 --> 00:13:36,191 and it's one of those movies that changed my life. 288 00:13:36,233 --> 00:13:38,652 ♪ In pastures green ♪ 289 00:13:38,694 --> 00:13:41,405 ♪ He leadeth me ♪ 290 00:13:41,447 --> 00:13:45,326 It has to do with Christianity versus paganism. 291 00:13:47,870 --> 00:13:49,913 A police inspector is sent 292 00:13:49,955 --> 00:13:52,374 to this remote isle of Summerisle 293 00:13:52,416 --> 00:13:55,210 to investigate the disappearance of a young girl. 294 00:13:55,252 --> 00:14:00,132 Rowan Morrison. 295 00:14:00,174 --> 00:14:02,301 And he's this repressed, uh, Christian 296 00:14:02,343 --> 00:14:04,636 coming to grips with this society 297 00:14:04,678 --> 00:14:07,806 that is the total opposite of everything he believes in. 298 00:14:07,848 --> 00:14:09,975 I find degeneracy, and there is brawling in bars. 299 00:14:10,017 --> 00:14:12,561 There is indecency in public places. 300 00:14:12,603 --> 00:14:15,147 Open sex and wild dancing 301 00:14:15,189 --> 00:14:19,777 and all this uninhibited craziness that he's not used to 302 00:14:19,818 --> 00:14:21,695 and he has a hard time adjusting to that. 303 00:14:21,737 --> 00:14:23,989 Can I do anything for you, sergeant? 304 00:14:24,031 --> 00:14:27,743 Oh, I doubt it... seeing you're all raving mad. 305 00:14:27,785 --> 00:14:29,453 And the fun of the film 306 00:14:29,495 --> 00:14:31,997 is watching him getting taken down a notch or two. 307 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:34,666 They do love their divinity lessons. 308 00:14:34,708 --> 00:14:38,253 But they... they are... are naked. 309 00:14:38,295 --> 00:14:39,295 Naturally. 310 00:14:39,296 --> 00:14:40,798 It's much too dangerous 311 00:14:40,839 --> 00:14:42,674 to jump through the fire with your clothes on. 312 00:14:42,716 --> 00:14:44,277 Oh, Christopher Lee did that picture for almost no money 313 00:14:44,301 --> 00:14:45,803 because he liked the pat so much. 314 00:14:45,844 --> 00:14:46,905 And I think it was his favorite part 315 00:14:46,929 --> 00:14:47,989 of anything he'd ever done. 316 00:14:50,099 --> 00:14:53,977 It's a truly weird, pagan, fascinating movie. 317 00:14:54,019 --> 00:14:55,604 It's almost a musical. 318 00:14:55,646 --> 00:14:57,486 I mean, it's got all these Paul Giovanni songs. 319 00:14:57,523 --> 00:14:59,691 ♪ She took the tinker ♪ 320 00:14:59,733 --> 00:15:00,901 ♪ By the hand ♪ 321 00:15:00,943 --> 00:15:02,945 They created a score 322 00:15:02,986 --> 00:15:04,863 that are folk songs integral to this island 323 00:15:04,905 --> 00:15:06,198 to tell the story 324 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:07,509 of their religion and their culture. 325 00:15:07,533 --> 00:15:08,826 ♪ For patching ♪ 326 00:15:08,867 --> 00:15:12,704 ♪ And plugging is his delight ♪ 327 00:15:14,164 --> 00:15:17,000 The lyrics of these songs are so... 328 00:15:17,042 --> 00:15:19,145 everything's a double entendre and everything's sexual. 329 00:15:21,255 --> 00:15:24,716 And it's a very, very subversive, sexual movie. 330 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:30,848 This police officer is unwittingly being led, 331 00:15:30,889 --> 00:15:33,142 thinking he's on an investigation, 332 00:15:33,183 --> 00:15:35,894 thinking he's gonna catch the killer of a little girl, 333 00:15:35,936 --> 00:15:37,771 until he realizes 334 00:15:37,813 --> 00:15:39,606 that he's been a sucker this entire time. 335 00:15:40,899 --> 00:15:42,359 It's about faith 336 00:15:42,401 --> 00:15:43,586 and how faith doesn't really pan out for you. 337 00:15:43,610 --> 00:15:45,404 There is no sun god! 338 00:15:45,446 --> 00:15:50,117 There is no... goddess of the fields! 339 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:52,870 I wouldn't say it's on the side of the pagans, 340 00:15:52,911 --> 00:15:54,163 but it certainly comes close, 341 00:15:54,204 --> 00:15:56,081 because as devout as the hero is, 342 00:15:56,123 --> 00:15:57,458 it doesn't save him. 343 00:15:57,499 --> 00:15:59,126 No! No! Think! 344 00:15:59,168 --> 00:16:00,586 Just think what you're doing! 345 00:16:02,087 --> 00:16:04,465 Think what you're doing! Think! 346 00:16:04,506 --> 00:16:07,926 The reason "The Wicker Man" has such staying power is 347 00:16:07,968 --> 00:16:09,928 you look at this cult 348 00:16:09,970 --> 00:16:12,431 that believes that burng and sacrificing a virgin 349 00:16:12,473 --> 00:16:14,224 is going to bring back the crops. 350 00:16:14,266 --> 00:16:16,059 That makes perfect sense to them. 351 00:16:16,101 --> 00:16:19,646 ♪ Summer is a-comin' in ♪ 352 00:16:19,688 --> 00:16:22,191 To this other person, it's absolutely insane 353 00:16:22,232 --> 00:16:24,067 because everything he believes 354 00:16:24,109 --> 00:16:25,903 is from a Christian perspective... 355 00:16:25,944 --> 00:16:28,071 ♪ And blows the mead ♪ 356 00:16:28,113 --> 00:16:30,324 And these are coming from a pagan perspective. 357 00:16:30,365 --> 00:16:32,784 What is totally normal to one person 358 00:16:32,826 --> 00:16:34,620 is absolutely terrifying to another, 359 00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:36,639 and I think there's something very real about that. 360 00:16:38,832 --> 00:16:41,335 The culture clash captured by "The Wicker Man" 361 00:16:41,376 --> 00:16:44,338 was a big influence on my film "Hostel." 362 00:16:44,379 --> 00:16:46,840 So I visually paid tribute to it. 363 00:16:49,927 --> 00:16:51,279 And you can see elements of both films 364 00:16:51,303 --> 00:16:54,306 in Ari Aster's "Midsommar." 365 00:16:57,017 --> 00:16:59,144 In the wake of a devastating loss, 366 00:16:59,186 --> 00:17:01,980 a young woman joins her self-absorbed boyfriend 367 00:17:02,022 --> 00:17:04,149 and his fellow grad students 368 00:17:04,191 --> 00:17:06,068 on a trip to the Swedish countryside. 369 00:17:06,109 --> 00:17:07,986 They've been invited to witness 370 00:17:08,028 --> 00:17:09,488 an annual folk celebration. 371 00:17:13,283 --> 00:17:15,661 The writing of "Midsommar" was pretty therapeutic. 372 00:17:15,702 --> 00:17:18,830 I was going through a breakup and was looking for, uh, 373 00:17:18,872 --> 00:17:20,999 kind of an angle on a breakup movie. 374 00:17:23,043 --> 00:17:25,629 What's, like, the evil version of that? 375 00:17:28,006 --> 00:17:30,193 The students enter what at first appears to be 376 00:17:30,217 --> 00:17:33,345 a peaceful community of nature-worshipping pagans. 377 00:17:34,930 --> 00:17:37,766 I love that it is, like "The Wicker Man," 378 00:17:37,808 --> 00:17:42,312 set in this isolated, very homogenous community 379 00:17:42,354 --> 00:17:46,358 that is supposed to signify safety... 380 00:17:48,277 --> 00:17:49,193 And then have it completely turn around. 381 00:17:49,194 --> 00:17:50,946 - No! - No! 382 00:17:52,447 --> 00:17:54,491 The Americans are trying to be cool, 383 00:17:54,533 --> 00:17:56,135 and they want to be open and they want to embrace it 384 00:17:56,159 --> 00:17:57,869 and they want to understand it 385 00:17:57,911 --> 00:17:59,621 and they don't quite get what's going on. 386 00:17:59,663 --> 00:18:02,040 What's going on? 387 00:18:05,127 --> 00:18:07,212 But they get caught up in the ritual 388 00:18:07,254 --> 00:18:09,256 and the pomp and the circumstance 389 00:18:09,298 --> 00:18:10,898 and they don't want to offend the culture 390 00:18:10,924 --> 00:18:12,569 and, you know, they wind p paying the price for it. 391 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,807 The film's protagonist is gradually drawn 392 00:18:18,849 --> 00:18:21,435 into what turns out to be a death cult... 393 00:18:23,729 --> 00:18:26,189 And the other travelers are ritual sacrifices. 394 00:18:26,231 --> 00:18:30,777 She ends up finding, in this community, 395 00:18:30,819 --> 00:18:32,696 what might be a home. 396 00:18:32,738 --> 00:18:34,865 You are the family now, yes? 397 00:18:34,906 --> 00:18:36,992 Yes, you are the family! 398 00:18:37,034 --> 00:18:38,619 And of course, 399 00:18:38,660 --> 00:18:41,580 the irony is that they are a eugenicist community 400 00:18:41,622 --> 00:18:43,457 of murderers. 401 00:18:45,751 --> 00:18:49,087 But they're also much more empathic, 402 00:18:49,129 --> 00:18:50,481 they're... they're much more compassionate. 403 00:18:54,176 --> 00:18:56,803 And that's why people join cults. 404 00:18:59,973 --> 00:19:03,685 People don't join cults because they want to be mass murderers. 405 00:19:12,444 --> 00:19:15,697 They join cults because they need connection. 406 00:19:21,370 --> 00:19:23,413 "Midsommar" was a slow-burn film 407 00:19:23,455 --> 00:19:27,042 that built to a fiery conclusion. 408 00:19:27,084 --> 00:19:29,961 But horror can also go way over the top to make a point. 409 00:19:35,842 --> 00:19:38,470 When you think of a morality tale, 410 00:19:38,512 --> 00:19:40,138 you might picture something like this. 411 00:19:40,180 --> 00:19:43,266 Amen. 412 00:19:43,308 --> 00:19:44,810 Amen. 413 00:19:49,856 --> 00:19:52,984 I hope you rot in hell. 414 00:19:53,026 --> 00:19:54,945 But in horror, 415 00:19:54,986 --> 00:19:57,030 stories about suffering terrible consequences 416 00:19:57,072 --> 00:20:00,951 for your poor behavior can be scary and fun, 417 00:20:00,992 --> 00:20:02,744 like "Creepshow." 418 00:20:02,786 --> 00:20:04,496 "Creepshow" was a horror fan's dream. 419 00:20:04,538 --> 00:20:06,456 It still is. 420 00:20:06,498 --> 00:20:07,892 It's the combination of George Romero, 421 00:20:07,916 --> 00:20:10,502 Stephen King, and Tom Savini. 422 00:20:10,544 --> 00:20:12,629 Me, as a 12-year-old horror fan, 423 00:20:12,671 --> 00:20:14,381 knowing that this was the director 424 00:20:14,423 --> 00:20:15,674 of "Dawn of the Dead"... 425 00:20:18,844 --> 00:20:20,887 This was the guy that did all the gore 426 00:20:20,929 --> 00:20:22,115 in "Dawn of the Dead" and "Friday the 13th." 427 00:20:24,725 --> 00:20:27,185 And Stephen King writing these stories? 428 00:20:27,227 --> 00:20:30,105 This was gonna be the greatest movie ever made. 429 00:20:33,734 --> 00:20:35,694 Well, my first thing with George was he said, 430 00:20:35,736 --> 00:20:37,154 "Why don't we do a number of stories 431 00:20:37,195 --> 00:20:38,655 like 'Tales from the Crypt'?" 432 00:20:38,697 --> 00:20:41,032 And I went, "Yeah, let's... let's do that." 433 00:20:41,074 --> 00:20:42,534 - It's a comic book. - What? 434 00:20:42,576 --> 00:20:44,286 - It's a comic book! - It's a comic book! 435 00:20:44,327 --> 00:20:46,288 Look. 436 00:20:46,329 --> 00:20:48,248 Because really, what is a comic book? 437 00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:50,333 It's a storyboard for a movie, right? 438 00:20:52,169 --> 00:20:53,920 "Creepsow" is presented 439 00:20:53,962 --> 00:20:57,174 like an EC comic book from the 1950s, 440 00:20:57,215 --> 00:20:59,259 with five macabre stories... 441 00:21:02,763 --> 00:21:04,055 And an all-star cast. 442 00:21:04,097 --> 00:21:06,057 Stephen King himself 443 00:21:06,099 --> 00:21:08,101 plays the doomed hayseed, Jordy Verrill. 444 00:21:09,978 --> 00:21:12,731 I'm a goner already, Daddy... 445 00:21:12,773 --> 00:21:13,774 ain't I? 446 00:21:15,776 --> 00:21:17,944 Each story was a moral tale 447 00:21:17,986 --> 00:21:20,572 in which sinners were rewarded with ironic deaths, 448 00:21:20,614 --> 00:21:24,618 and sometimes, ironic afterlives. 449 00:21:24,659 --> 00:21:27,454 The teenaged Greg Nicotero was a frequent visitor 450 00:21:27,496 --> 00:21:29,748 to the "Creepshow" set. 451 00:21:29,790 --> 00:21:32,626 I remember seeing them shooting the actors 452 00:21:32,667 --> 00:21:35,253 with the colored lights in the background. 453 00:21:35,295 --> 00:21:38,423 I got my cake. 454 00:21:38,465 --> 00:21:40,318 All of a sudden, like, there's a bunch of guys 455 00:21:40,342 --> 00:21:41,736 on dimmers, and they'd go... 456 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,763 Happy Father's Day. 457 00:21:44,805 --> 00:21:47,140 Then they would turn it and the lights would change. 458 00:21:47,182 --> 00:21:51,019 They were trying to immerse you into the comic book world. 459 00:21:53,271 --> 00:21:55,524 One of my favore stories is "The Crate," 460 00:21:55,565 --> 00:21:57,609 where a henpecked college professor 461 00:21:57,651 --> 00:21:59,337 comes into possession of a vicious animal... 462 00:21:59,361 --> 00:22:01,321 - ...a couple of emeralds! - Don't! 463 00:22:01,363 --> 00:22:04,199 With a thirst for human blood. 464 00:22:05,951 --> 00:22:10,455 I don't even know what it was. 465 00:22:10,497 --> 00:22:13,458 And it's Hal Holbrook and Fritz Weaver 466 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:16,461 and Adrienne Barbeau and this old crate, 467 00:22:16,503 --> 00:22:17,855 and you're just waiting for Fluffy. 468 00:22:19,673 --> 00:22:21,317 I remember, as a kid, I read "Fangoria" magazine 469 00:22:21,341 --> 00:22:22,676 and I saw pictures 470 00:22:22,717 --> 00:22:24,302 of the monster that they called Fluffy. 471 00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:26,179 And when that thing comes out of the crate... 472 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,101 The fun is inventing how to do this stuff. 473 00:22:33,812 --> 00:22:36,690 You know, the script, kind of, is sometimes very vague. 474 00:22:36,731 --> 00:22:38,900 "We see a flash of fur and teeth." 475 00:22:40,819 --> 00:22:42,571 Well, I gotta create a creature from that 476 00:22:42,612 --> 00:22:44,447 that comes out of a crate 477 00:22:44,489 --> 00:22:45,967 underneath steps in "Creepshow," you know? 478 00:22:45,991 --> 00:22:47,659 Something shiny. 479 00:22:47,701 --> 00:22:49,595 I had never built an animatronic creature before. 480 00:22:49,619 --> 00:22:52,581 So I called Rob Bottin on the phone. 481 00:22:52,622 --> 00:22:54,416 Took me to his house. 482 00:22:54,457 --> 00:22:56,334 He tore the skins off to show me 483 00:22:56,376 --> 00:22:58,837 how the mechanisms worked in the heads, 484 00:22:58,879 --> 00:23:00,422 the fake heads that he was making. 485 00:23:03,466 --> 00:23:05,302 As great as "The Crate" is, 486 00:23:05,343 --> 00:23:08,471 nothing quite prepares you for E.G. Marshall's performance 487 00:23:08,513 --> 00:23:09,848 as Upson Pratt. 488 00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:11,808 "This is Upson Pratt, the Upson Pratt." 489 00:23:11,850 --> 00:23:13,995 Well, I found another cockroach this evening, George. 490 00:23:14,019 --> 00:23:15,020 Oh, no. 491 00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:16,605 One of those big ones 492 00:23:16,646 --> 00:23:19,316 right here in my $3,200-a-month penthouse apartment. 493 00:23:22,736 --> 00:23:25,488 Upson Pratt is a wealthy and vicious germaphobe 494 00:23:25,530 --> 00:23:27,032 who treats everyone like vermin. 495 00:23:27,073 --> 00:23:29,284 You might go far, boy. 496 00:23:29,326 --> 00:23:32,057 I've noticed that, in service jobs, 497 00:23:32,058 --> 00:23:34,789 people like yourself often do... 498 00:23:34,831 --> 00:23:36,374 people of color. 499 00:23:36,416 --> 00:23:38,877 You know, the Marshall story does represent 500 00:23:38,919 --> 00:23:40,420 a lot of the sociopolitical things 501 00:23:40,462 --> 00:23:42,714 that were going on at the time, you know, 502 00:23:42,756 --> 00:23:46,217 with him being a blatant racist character 503 00:23:46,259 --> 00:23:48,261 who is trying to live 504 00:23:48,303 --> 00:23:50,239 in this sort of protected white bubble, literally, 505 00:23:50,263 --> 00:23:51,973 in his compound, 506 00:23:52,015 --> 00:23:53,391 and he's terrified 507 00:23:53,433 --> 00:23:56,061 of other things getting into that world. 508 00:23:57,270 --> 00:23:59,189 Damn bugs... ugh! 509 00:23:59,230 --> 00:24:00,941 Bugs! 510 00:24:00,982 --> 00:24:02,692 Now you'd have a digital cockroach. 511 00:24:02,734 --> 00:24:04,086 Back then, you really had to do it with cockroaches. 512 00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:05,487 Cockroaches. 513 00:24:05,528 --> 00:24:06,839 They were everywhere, Eli! - Yeah. 514 00:24:06,863 --> 00:24:08,007 Those cockroaches were everywhere. 515 00:24:13,036 --> 00:24:14,996 And when we did the final scene, where the b... 516 00:24:15,038 --> 00:24:18,625 he just sort of explodes with bugs all inside him... 517 00:24:18,667 --> 00:24:21,670 everybody was, like, right... 518 00:24:21,711 --> 00:24:24,297 nervous, scared to death. 519 00:24:24,339 --> 00:24:25,966 It could be one take. - Yeah. 520 00:24:26,007 --> 00:24:27,634 That's the only thing you could do. 521 00:24:27,676 --> 00:24:29,219 There were, I, 5,000 cockroaches 522 00:24:29,260 --> 00:24:32,430 and they were gonna blow 'em through this... this tube. 523 00:24:34,057 --> 00:24:35,433 Quiet on the set, 524 00:24:35,475 --> 00:24:36,977 get the cockroaches ready. 525 00:24:37,018 --> 00:24:39,312 You know, cue the cockroaches. 526 00:24:47,946 --> 00:24:49,531 And it was perfect 527 00:24:49,572 --> 00:24:51,992 and everybody in the ple just exploded into applause. 528 00:24:52,033 --> 00:24:53,451 It's one of the... 529 00:24:53,493 --> 00:24:55,453 it's one of the great, great moments in movies. 530 00:24:57,622 --> 00:24:59,666 "Creepshow" was... was way ahead of its time 531 00:24:59,708 --> 00:25:02,877 in terms of George and Steve King's 532 00:25:02,919 --> 00:25:05,088 sort of love letter to EC comics. 533 00:25:09,217 --> 00:25:11,803 Doing "Creepshow" reay was... was their opportunity 534 00:25:11,845 --> 00:25:15,640 to pay tribute to the stuff that inspired them. 535 00:25:17,517 --> 00:25:19,436 In "Creepshow," 536 00:25:19,477 --> 00:25:22,480 bad people are punished with gruesome deaths. 537 00:25:22,522 --> 00:25:24,691 The violence upset audiences 538 00:25:24,733 --> 00:25:28,737 expecting a lightweight comic book movie, 539 00:25:28,778 --> 00:25:31,197 but to really upset Americans, 540 00:25:31,239 --> 00:25:32,657 do what Brian De Palma did: 541 00:25:32,699 --> 00:25:36,161 make a horror film about sex. 542 00:25:45,128 --> 00:25:47,172 Few things provoke audiences more 543 00:25:47,213 --> 00:25:49,466 than sexual violence. 544 00:25:49,507 --> 00:25:51,593 It's a taboo region 545 00:25:51,634 --> 00:25:54,846 that horror films are uniquely able to explore 546 00:25:54,888 --> 00:25:57,599 because horror goes where the timid fear to tread. 547 00:26:00,226 --> 00:26:02,312 And even a comically bad slasher 548 00:26:02,353 --> 00:26:05,607 can carry a surprising message about toxic masculinity. 549 00:26:05,648 --> 00:26:08,193 Where did this filth come from? 550 00:26:15,075 --> 00:26:19,204 "Pieces" is one of the greatest WTF horror films 551 00:26:19,245 --> 00:26:20,245 of all time. 552 00:26:23,792 --> 00:26:25,502 For me, it might be 553 00:26:25,543 --> 00:26:26,729 my favorite horror movie of all time 554 00:26:26,753 --> 00:26:28,046 after all these years 555 00:26:28,088 --> 00:26:29,506 because it just defies every rule 556 00:26:29,547 --> 00:26:30,882 of what you're supposed t do. 557 00:26:33,551 --> 00:26:35,095 It is so absurd 558 00:26:35,136 --> 00:26:37,680 that, if you put it on with a room of people, 559 00:26:37,722 --> 00:26:39,140 you will guarantee to have 560 00:26:39,182 --> 00:26:40,618 the whole audience come ot of it going, 561 00:26:40,642 --> 00:26:41,994 "That's the best movie I've ever seen." 562 00:26:48,108 --> 00:26:51,653 Horror is the genre that gave us the idea of bad-good. 563 00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:57,426 Like, there can be a really great horror movie, 564 00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:59,619 and that's fun to watch, but a really bad horror movie 565 00:26:59,661 --> 00:27:01,246 can be fun to watch too. 566 00:27:01,287 --> 00:27:03,915 Bastard! 567 00:27:03,957 --> 00:27:06,251 Bastard! 568 00:27:08,253 --> 00:27:10,171 Bastard! 569 00:27:12,423 --> 00:27:14,592 The plot of "Piec" follows a campus stud 570 00:27:14,634 --> 00:27:16,928 and an undercover policewoman 571 00:27:16,970 --> 00:27:20,431 trying to catch a mysterious chainsaw killer. 572 00:27:23,268 --> 00:27:25,603 It's got all the classic tropes of slasher movies. 573 00:27:27,438 --> 00:27:28,857 You! 574 00:27:28,898 --> 00:27:30,942 They have these beautiful Spanish girls 575 00:27:30,984 --> 00:27:32,545 that always get naked right before they're chopped. 576 00:27:34,487 --> 00:27:36,156 The deaths are so over-the-top. 577 00:27:40,326 --> 00:27:41,828 At the end of the film, 578 00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:43,496 the police catch the killer 579 00:27:43,538 --> 00:27:45,790 and they're about to leave 580 00:27:45,832 --> 00:27:47,667 and they open the door and the body falls out. 581 00:27:47,709 --> 00:27:49,002 Really... 582 00:27:52,422 --> 00:27:54,465 And you realize 583 00:27:54,507 --> 00:27:55,818 this guy's been making a human jigsaw puzzle. 584 00:27:55,842 --> 00:27:56,718 It's an incredible shock moment. 585 00:28:02,432 --> 00:28:03,975 And then at the very end, 586 00:28:04,017 --> 00:28:06,394 Ian Sera comes back 'cause he forgot his coat 587 00:28:06,436 --> 00:28:08,229 and the hand of the body comes out 588 00:28:08,271 --> 00:28:11,191 and just rips his genitals off. 589 00:28:15,111 --> 00:28:16,613 You can watch the move on one level 590 00:28:16,654 --> 00:28:18,132 and go, "This is a grade-Z slasher movie." 591 00:28:18,156 --> 00:28:19,490 Or you could say, 592 00:28:19,532 --> 00:28:21,242 "This is a subversive work of art 593 00:28:21,284 --> 00:28:23,995 "by a master director who's making a comment 594 00:28:24,037 --> 00:28:27,665 on this character who uses women like pieces of meat." 595 00:28:27,707 --> 00:28:29,584 These girls are then killed 596 00:28:29,626 --> 00:28:33,546 and the body... is the residual anger. 597 00:28:33,547 --> 00:28:35,006 The anger of these girls 598 00:28:35,048 --> 00:28:36,758 and the resentment of these girls 599 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:41,179 of being used by this guy all boils up 600 00:28:41,221 --> 00:28:43,890 and they castrate him at the end of the movie. 601 00:28:43,932 --> 00:28:45,808 You don't expect great depth 602 00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:48,519 from a movie like "Pieces." 603 00:28:48,561 --> 00:28:51,856 More confounding to critics is when a brilliant filmmaker 604 00:28:51,898 --> 00:28:54,108 deliberately challenges an audience 605 00:28:54,150 --> 00:28:57,654 by fusing sex and violence with high cinematic style. 606 00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:02,659 Brian De Palmas "Dressed to Kill," 607 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:04,869 a provocative film 608 00:29:04,911 --> 00:29:08,373 about the corrosive effects of sexual repression. 609 00:29:08,414 --> 00:29:11,417 "Dressed to Kill" is an interesting juxtaposition 610 00:29:11,459 --> 00:29:14,545 of two women's expression of their own sexuality... 611 00:29:14,587 --> 00:29:16,214 one being a conservative housewife 612 00:29:16,256 --> 00:29:18,174 who is oppressed by her sexuality 613 00:29:18,216 --> 00:29:20,176 and one being a young sex worker 614 00:29:20,218 --> 00:29:23,137 who is empowered by her sexuality... 615 00:29:23,179 --> 00:29:25,723 and the man who is a psychiatrist 616 00:29:25,765 --> 00:29:28,434 who is his own worst patient 617 00:29:28,476 --> 00:29:30,061 who's trying to draw the bridge 618 00:29:30,103 --> 00:29:33,398 between his own relationship with his sexuality 619 00:29:33,439 --> 00:29:36,609 and these two women. 620 00:29:36,651 --> 00:29:38,569 Sexually frustrated Kate, 621 00:29:38,611 --> 00:29:40,488 played by Angie Dickinson, 622 00:29:40,530 --> 00:29:43,950 acts the part of the perfect wife and mother, 623 00:29:43,992 --> 00:29:48,079 but she yearns for a more stimulating life. 624 00:29:48,121 --> 00:29:51,249 Kate confides her feelings to her psychiatrist, 625 00:29:51,291 --> 00:29:53,418 arousing his own secret desires. 626 00:29:54,669 --> 00:29:56,754 Would you want to sleep with me? 627 00:29:56,796 --> 00:29:57,964 Yes. 628 00:30:05,221 --> 00:30:07,015 Then, in a shocking twist, 629 00:30:07,056 --> 00:30:08,808 Kate is brutally murdered 630 00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:12,186 by a mysterious black-gloved killer... 631 00:30:15,815 --> 00:30:18,234 A crime witnessed by the movie's other heroine, 632 00:30:18,276 --> 00:30:21,779 Liz Blake, played by Nancy Allen. 633 00:30:21,821 --> 00:30:24,365 I think my nightmares on "Dressed to Kill" 634 00:30:24,407 --> 00:30:27,035 really started when they did the... 635 00:30:30,580 --> 00:30:33,541 It's so strange because it's all so technical. 636 00:30:36,836 --> 00:30:38,755 But emotionally, 637 00:30:38,796 --> 00:30:41,341 it really does... somehow, it gets in. 638 00:30:41,382 --> 00:30:44,135 At least with me, it gets back in there. 639 00:30:46,012 --> 00:30:49,515 Maybe it's all "Psycho's" fault for making me so scared. 640 00:30:52,268 --> 00:30:53,978 Alfred Hitchcock's "Psycho" 641 00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:55,897 famously kills off its protagonist 642 00:30:55,938 --> 00:30:58,232 more than half an hour into the film. 643 00:31:03,237 --> 00:31:06,407 "Dressed to Kill" both updates and parodies "Psycho." 644 00:31:08,326 --> 00:31:10,995 De Palma turns the trail blazed by Hitchcock 645 00:31:11,037 --> 00:31:13,289 into a slyly satirical boulevard, 646 00:31:13,331 --> 00:31:16,667 going places Hitchcock couldn't in 1960. 647 00:31:18,836 --> 00:31:20,397 The second half of "Dressed to Kill" 648 00:31:20,421 --> 00:31:21,839 is a detective story 649 00:31:21,881 --> 00:31:24,217 led by two amateur sleuths: 650 00:31:24,258 --> 00:31:27,678 Liz Blake and Kate's adoring son Peter, 651 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,806 played by Keith Gordon. 652 00:31:29,847 --> 00:31:31,933 Every scene is enhanced 653 00:31:31,974 --> 00:31:34,602 by De Palma's vast knowledge of film technique. 654 00:31:37,146 --> 00:31:39,107 Obviously, the story involves 655 00:31:39,148 --> 00:31:42,443 a lot of double and mirror and two people looking alike 656 00:31:42,485 --> 00:31:45,446 and, you know, having two personalities and splits. 657 00:31:47,115 --> 00:31:49,784 Really good visual directors will find themes 658 00:31:49,826 --> 00:31:51,887 and then they'll continue to find places to inject it 659 00:31:51,911 --> 00:31:53,389 where maybe they hadn't even planned ahead of time, 660 00:31:53,413 --> 00:31:55,206 but they keep seeing opportunities. 661 00:31:55,248 --> 00:31:56,916 When I speak of transsexuals, 662 00:31:56,958 --> 00:31:58,793 I tend to speak of male-to-female 663 00:31:58,835 --> 00:32:00,270 because there are a whole lot more of them 664 00:32:00,294 --> 00:32:01,921 than the going the other way. 665 00:32:01,963 --> 00:32:04,424 The scene I remember the most is the television 666 00:32:04,465 --> 00:32:06,884 where Donahue is interviewing someone 667 00:32:06,926 --> 00:32:08,970 and Michael Caine is watching it. 668 00:32:09,011 --> 00:32:11,264 Just the... the lighting, the way it's photographed, 669 00:32:11,305 --> 00:32:13,057 and as kid, split screens drive me crazy. 670 00:32:13,099 --> 00:32:14,535 You're like, "What am I supposed to watch? 671 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:15,852 What am I supposed to watch?" 672 00:32:15,893 --> 00:32:17,287 But you just sort of give over to it. 673 00:32:17,311 --> 00:32:18,705 It's got a very, very interesting effect 674 00:32:18,729 --> 00:32:21,023 on the audience. 675 00:32:21,065 --> 00:32:22,023 More than that, I've alwas been a devout heterosexual. 676 00:32:23,901 --> 00:32:25,903 The interview with the transsexual woman 677 00:32:25,945 --> 00:32:28,114 signals to the audience that Kate's psychiatrist, 678 00:32:28,156 --> 00:32:30,867 played by Michael Caine... 679 00:32:30,908 --> 00:32:33,077 is also the killer. 680 00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:35,079 The cinematography is absolutely gorgeous. 681 00:32:35,121 --> 00:32:36,831 It's breathtaking. 682 00:32:36,873 --> 00:32:38,499 So it's unfortunate 683 00:32:38,541 --> 00:32:42,253 that I... it sits on a foundation of transphobia 684 00:32:42,295 --> 00:32:46,466 in a really big way, in a really blatant way. 685 00:32:46,507 --> 00:32:48,050 It played into a lot of clichés. 686 00:32:48,092 --> 00:32:49,844 I mean, there were, you know... 687 00:32:49,886 --> 00:32:51,387 trans people as being weird, 688 00:32:51,429 --> 00:32:54,515 being dangerous, being other, being crazy. 689 00:32:54,557 --> 00:32:58,436 Because "Dressed to Kill" came out at a time 690 00:32:58,478 --> 00:33:03,524 when trans people were still thought of as illegal, 691 00:33:03,566 --> 00:33:07,153 making us murderers made perfect sense. 692 00:33:07,195 --> 00:33:09,113 It wasn't a big stretch 693 00:33:09,155 --> 00:33:12,116 to think that we would go from jail to killing someone. 694 00:33:14,535 --> 00:33:16,295 I don't think that's what Brian's intention 695 00:33:16,329 --> 00:33:17,788 of making the film was about. 696 00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:19,373 Doesn't mean it's cool. 697 00:33:19,415 --> 00:33:20,767 I mean, you know, I mean, that part of the film, 698 00:33:20,791 --> 00:33:23,127 I feel like yeah, that has not dated well. 699 00:33:23,169 --> 00:33:25,463 In 1980, 700 00:33:25,505 --> 00:33:28,174 far more people were upset by the character of Liz Blake, 701 00:33:28,216 --> 00:33:30,635 a sex worker the movie never judges or shames. 702 00:33:30,676 --> 00:33:31,928 Well, hi. 703 00:33:31,969 --> 00:33:33,638 I'm Lz from the escort service. 704 00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:36,014 I love Liz Blake. 705 00:33:36,015 --> 00:33:38,518 She's smart. She has a sense of humor. 706 00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:42,146 She's comfortable with her sexuality. 707 00:33:42,188 --> 00:33:43,814 She's not afraid of it 708 00:33:43,856 --> 00:33:45,441 or feels like she has to cover it up. 709 00:33:45,483 --> 00:33:47,443 She just... she's a free s... kind of free spirit. 710 00:33:47,485 --> 00:33:48,861 Do you think you could put together 711 00:33:48,903 --> 00:33:52,031 a... a coffee break and a hot lunch? 712 00:33:52,073 --> 00:33:53,908 For tomorrow? 713 00:33:53,950 --> 00:33:57,161 Yeah, I need a thousand dollars for my mother's operation. 714 00:33:57,203 --> 00:34:01,123 Which was somewhat reflective of my own personality, 715 00:34:01,165 --> 00:34:02,667 but not completely, you know? 716 00:34:02,708 --> 00:34:04,335 I am a child of the '50s. 717 00:34:04,377 --> 00:34:06,170 So I do have that repression. 718 00:34:06,212 --> 00:34:08,047 Liz still lives in me a little bit. 719 00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:10,341 Thank God straight s are still in style. 720 00:34:12,134 --> 00:34:15,721 That's why the film doesn't smack of misogyny to me... 721 00:34:15,763 --> 00:34:17,598 because it feels like 722 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,561 Brian De Palma trying to understand 723 00:34:21,602 --> 00:34:24,855 why people are so hung up on their sexuality. 724 00:34:26,899 --> 00:34:29,569 And it is designed to get you 725 00:34:29,610 --> 00:34:31,070 to question your own relationship 726 00:34:31,112 --> 00:34:33,281 with your sexuality. 727 00:34:33,322 --> 00:34:35,575 In the hands of a master, 728 00:34:35,616 --> 00:34:38,369 graphic scenes of violence become stylish explorations 729 00:34:38,411 --> 00:34:40,371 of the language of cinema, 730 00:34:40,413 --> 00:34:42,915 but film can also be a blunt instrument... 731 00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:48,129 Using violent horror 732 00:34:48,170 --> 00:34:49,815 to make us face the worst parts of ourselves. 733 00:34:58,764 --> 00:35:01,601 My great love is Italian horror. 734 00:35:03,811 --> 00:35:05,771 Italian horror, as opposed to American horror... 735 00:35:05,813 --> 00:35:07,082 they're like horror movies with no rules. 736 00:35:07,106 --> 00:35:08,316 There were no limits on gore. 737 00:35:16,282 --> 00:35:18,200 In the '70s and '80s, 738 00:35:18,242 --> 00:35:20,036 directors like Mario Bava, Lucio Fulci, 739 00:35:20,077 --> 00:35:21,704 and Dario Argento... 740 00:35:23,748 --> 00:35:25,708 Took the conventions of horror 741 00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:28,628 and dialed them up to operatic intensity. 742 00:35:31,297 --> 00:35:32,840 They didn't know you weren't allowed 743 00:35:32,882 --> 00:35:35,343 to have eyeballs exploding and eviscerations, 744 00:35:35,384 --> 00:35:38,429 whereas American movies or Canadian movies like "Scanners" 745 00:35:38,471 --> 00:35:41,474 had one big moment or a couple of big moments. 746 00:35:46,729 --> 00:35:48,230 The Italian movies, 747 00:35:48,272 --> 00:35:51,400 it's just like one after another after another. 748 00:35:51,442 --> 00:35:53,361 Dario Argento's debut film, 749 00:35:53,402 --> 00:35:55,738 "The Bird with the Crystal Plumage," 750 00:35:55,780 --> 00:35:58,783 took the brutal Italian crime genre called giallo... 751 00:36:01,118 --> 00:36:02,620 And turned it into high art. 752 00:36:08,376 --> 00:36:10,252 So there was certain tropes you had to follow 753 00:36:10,294 --> 00:36:12,129 for it to be a giallo. 754 00:36:12,171 --> 00:36:14,507 You had to have red herrings. 755 00:36:14,548 --> 00:36:16,526 You had to be guessing who the killer was the whole movie. 756 00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:19,428 The killer had to wear gloves. 757 00:36:21,305 --> 00:36:23,599 Dario Argento rewrites the rules 758 00:36:23,641 --> 00:36:24,993 with "The Bird with the Crystal Plumage." 759 00:36:28,604 --> 00:36:30,856 It's got all of the signature things 760 00:36:30,898 --> 00:36:33,001 from Argento and the mot fantastic score by Morricone. 761 00:36:33,025 --> 00:36:35,027 The black-gloved killer... 762 00:36:35,069 --> 00:36:37,279 that, most of the time, was Dario Argento's hands 763 00:36:37,321 --> 00:36:38,698 'cause it had to be done right. 764 00:36:40,491 --> 00:36:42,993 Penetrating the victim with a knife... 765 00:36:45,121 --> 00:36:46,872 But very, very stylish. 766 00:36:49,542 --> 00:36:53,003 "Bird with the Crystal Plumage" really announces 767 00:36:53,045 --> 00:36:55,214 the era of the modern horror film... 768 00:36:59,385 --> 00:37:02,513 And was a big influence on Brian De Palma. 769 00:37:02,555 --> 00:37:04,724 You look at "Dressed to Kill" 770 00:37:04,765 --> 00:37:06,702 and you look at "Bird with the Crystal Plumage"... 771 00:37:06,726 --> 00:37:07,744 you could put the movies on top of each other. 772 00:37:09,729 --> 00:37:11,814 But the most groundbreaking, 773 00:37:11,856 --> 00:37:14,775 provocative Italian horror film of all time... 774 00:37:16,527 --> 00:37:19,572 Is Ruggero Deodato's "Cannibal Holocaust." 775 00:37:21,782 --> 00:37:25,244 Deodato apprenticed under two master directors, 776 00:37:25,286 --> 00:37:28,581 Sergio Corbucci and Roberto Rossellini. 777 00:37:28,622 --> 00:37:30,124 Francesco! 778 00:37:30,166 --> 00:37:32,752 Francesco! Francesco! 779 00:37:32,793 --> 00:37:34,462 Think of the violence and the realism 780 00:37:34,503 --> 00:37:35,880 of "Rome, Open City"... 781 00:37:37,173 --> 00:37:39,842 Mama! Mama! 782 00:37:42,428 --> 00:37:45,222 And the violence and politics of Corbucci's films. 783 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,896 And you combine them and you get Ruggero Deodato. 784 00:37:53,355 --> 00:37:54,583 You're about to witness an ancient ritual 785 00:37:54,607 --> 00:37:56,650 never before seen by civilized man. 786 00:37:56,692 --> 00:37:59,737 And that's why "Cannibal Holocaust" is so effective. 787 00:37:59,779 --> 00:38:01,238 It's no accident. 788 00:38:04,825 --> 00:38:08,496 Today is, uh, Saturday the 25th. 789 00:38:08,537 --> 00:38:10,915 If I were in New York right now, 790 00:38:10,956 --> 00:38:13,042 I'd probably be out shopping. 791 00:38:13,083 --> 00:38:14,227 "Cannibal Holocaust" is the first 792 00:38:14,251 --> 00:38:15,586 kind of found-footage movie. 793 00:38:23,052 --> 00:38:24,970 "Cannibal Holocaust" starts out 794 00:38:25,012 --> 00:38:26,514 with a group of documentary filmmakers 795 00:38:26,555 --> 00:38:28,974 who went down to the jungles of the Amazon 796 00:38:29,016 --> 00:38:31,519 to make a movie about cannibals and never returned. 797 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,038 Are they still alive? 798 00:38:33,062 --> 00:38:34,814 And if so, where are they? 799 00:38:34,855 --> 00:38:36,232 They've disappeared 800 00:38:36,273 --> 00:38:37,983 and we don't know what happened to them, 801 00:38:38,025 --> 00:38:39,819 so then Professor Monroe goes through 802 00:38:39,860 --> 00:38:41,111 and kind of retraces their steps 803 00:38:41,153 --> 00:38:43,280 and finds all these clues 804 00:38:43,322 --> 00:38:45,407 until he finally finds the skulls of the people, 805 00:38:45,449 --> 00:38:47,910 and they're dead and there are all the film cans there. 806 00:38:50,538 --> 00:38:52,039 Okay. 807 00:38:52,081 --> 00:38:53,791 The second half of the moe 808 00:38:53,833 --> 00:38:55,519 is him back in New York City, watching the footage, 809 00:38:55,543 --> 00:38:57,002 and what he sees is shocking. 810 00:39:03,592 --> 00:39:05,469 You know this is gonna make us famous. 811 00:39:05,511 --> 00:39:06,637 Yeah, you think so, huh? 812 00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:07,972 - Yeah. - How famous? 813 00:39:08,013 --> 00:39:09,932 Real famous and real rich. 814 00:39:09,974 --> 00:39:12,226 Die! 815 00:39:12,268 --> 00:39:14,478 But Professor Monroe discovers 816 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,581 that it wasn't that these documentary gr... filmmakers 817 00:39:16,605 --> 00:39:17,916 were preyed on by cannibals and eaten by cannibals. 818 00:39:17,940 --> 00:39:19,400 They were actually te manipulators. 819 00:39:32,538 --> 00:39:35,207 Deodato has said the film was a reaction 820 00:39:35,249 --> 00:39:37,459 to the media's sensationalized coverage 821 00:39:37,501 --> 00:39:39,169 of Italian terrorists. 822 00:39:41,213 --> 00:39:42,965 But for many viewers, 823 00:39:43,007 --> 00:39:45,050 the political message was overshadowed 824 00:39:45,092 --> 00:39:47,511 by the film's extremely realistic violence. 825 00:39:49,722 --> 00:39:51,682 Everyone thought "Cannibal Holocaust" was real, 826 00:39:51,683 --> 00:39:54,393 and this was years before "Blair Witch." 827 00:39:54,435 --> 00:39:56,604 "Cannibal Holocaust" was so shocking 828 00:39:56,645 --> 00:39:59,982 that Ruggero Deodato was brought up on murder charges. 829 00:40:02,026 --> 00:40:04,153 But when he actually ended up in court, 830 00:40:04,194 --> 00:40:06,780 Deodato was acquitted on the... the human killing 831 00:40:06,822 --> 00:40:09,033 because he actually brought out the actors and said, 832 00:40:09,074 --> 00:40:10,794 "Okay, you... you think these guys are dead. 833 00:40:10,826 --> 00:40:11,869 Here they are." 834 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,707 "Cannibal Holocau" deeply affected me, 835 00:40:16,749 --> 00:40:19,209 so much so that I had to make my own cannibal movie. 836 00:40:21,587 --> 00:40:23,130 The documentary 837 00:40:23,172 --> 00:40:25,052 that the kids in "Cannibal Holocaust" are making 838 00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:26,842 is called "The Green Inferno." 839 00:40:26,884 --> 00:40:29,053 So I named my movie "The Green Inferno" 840 00:40:29,094 --> 00:40:30,554 as a nod to "Cannibal Holocaust." 841 00:40:33,974 --> 00:40:35,851 This was the feature-film version of that. 842 00:40:41,732 --> 00:40:43,943 Some artists are compelled 843 00:40:43,984 --> 00:40:47,071 to challenge their audience, but how far is too far? 844 00:40:47,112 --> 00:40:50,574 For me, "Cannibal Holocaust" is right at the edge. 845 00:40:50,616 --> 00:40:53,118 For others, it's way over it. 846 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,496 I really think it's a movie that is so offensive 847 00:40:55,537 --> 00:40:56,997 and so horrific 848 00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,375 and really has something to offend everybody. 849 00:41:02,419 --> 00:41:03,712 It's supposed to be shocking. 850 00:41:03,754 --> 00:41:05,023 You're not supposed to just watch it 851 00:41:05,047 --> 00:41:05,673 and then move on to something else. 852 00:41:05,674 --> 00:41:07,216 You know, 853 00:41:07,257 --> 00:41:08,652 if you can get through "Cannibal Holocaust," 854 00:41:08,676 --> 00:41:09,736 you see some of the most incredible, 855 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,303 incredible filmmaking ever. 856 00:41:18,686 --> 00:41:22,898 Horror is where our nightmares come to life. 857 00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:26,443 It reveals humanity at its best and its worst... 858 00:41:28,487 --> 00:41:31,490 What we desire and what we dread, 859 00:41:31,532 --> 00:41:32,741 who we are... 860 00:41:34,493 --> 00:41:35,804 And what we're afraid we might be. 861 00:41:37,663 --> 00:41:38,723 If we have the courage 862 00:41:38,747 --> 00:41:40,541 to face our nightmares, 863 00:41:40,582 --> 00:41:42,376 we can conquer our deepest fears. 64903

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