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Reverend Jones, how do you accountfor such an avid following?
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I'm principled and dedicated
to my people.
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When we moved to San Francisco
things went to the next level.
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But the rampant drug use
increased his paranoia.
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You punk!You [bleep] gangland punk!
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The more power he got,
the sicker he got.
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When the story came out, he wasn't
around to answer for it.
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I remember my father saying,
"We're going to Guyana."
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In Jonestown,
things were good for awhile.
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But then things started shifting.
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Our town could not last.
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Well, I know it's not pleasant,
children.
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But by God, someone's gotta
fight this revolution.
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SEPTEMBER 1977
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Attention, attention.
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Every member of the community mustcome to the pavilion immediately.
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We may have an invasion.
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Jim said,
"They're coming for our children.
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They're coming for our children,
and so we need to stand strong."
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We were all lined up with shovels,
and pick axes
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and whatever other tools were there.
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We were gonna fight.
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We'll kill them if they come!
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FOUR MONTHS EARLIER
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MORE THAN 900 PEOPLES
TEMPLE MEMBERS
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ARE LIVING IN JONESTOWN, GUYANA.
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You don't knowwhat you're missing down here.
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These are potato chips made fromplantain and they're more delicious,
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they're a combination of a potatochip and a French fry.
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And radishes.
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Here are the people at the tableeating an afternoon snack.
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It's another sunny day.
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It's interesting, when I walk out,
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every time I walk out, as the peoplecan verify, the rain will stop.
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So that's been amazing.
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I think there were many different
reasons people went to Jonestown.
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It had a lot to do
with peer pressure.
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For many, they were probably hopeful.
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You know, we can be a happy
community again.
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You all happy? You here?
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-You happy, Tom?-Yes.
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Everybody's happy down here, you can
see that that's an obvious fact.
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The story was,
we were going to paradise.
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The grand Utopia.
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But we were trying to feed
over 900 people down there.
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It was a battle we wouldn't win.
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And probably, Dad saw that.
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So the drama just escalated,
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which only weakened all of us
and frightened all of us.
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And, frankly, drew us more
into his own sickness.
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As time grew on, the difference
in Jim Jones was very marked.
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I think dad was feeling lost
in Jonestown.
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He could no longer parade about
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and convince himself
of how grand he is.
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His drug use just at that point
was off the charts.
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He's passed out half the time
in his cabin.
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He blows up physically,
he's terribly bloated.
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So, instead of seeing,
you know, their god-like leader,
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it's just a fat, sweaty man.
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He loses any claim to divinity
because they're too close to him now.
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There's no place for him to go hide.
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The punishments
did get much more severe.
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They had this hole
that they put people in.
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This item called the box.
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People were put in there
for punishment purposes.
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A person would be blindfolded
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and they would be told eels
and leeches were in there.
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You wanna die, do you?I don't give a [bleep] tonight.
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Wait.Put him in the [bleep] box tonight.
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-How 'bout going in the box tonight?-Dad?
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Put your hand in there.Put your hand in there.
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We might as well be free from you.Nobody'll see it. Nobody'll see it.
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You couldn't trust anyone
with any information.
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Children turned in their parents,
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so if anyone asked you,
"How do you like Jonestown?"
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I love it, it's great.
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Hello, family.
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Greetings, from a truly promised
land prepared by Father.
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Hello, family, thank Father
I have a chance to talk to you and...
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The mail was definitely censored.
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I didn't get all the letters
that were sent to me.
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If you were to write,
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basically your letter consisted of,
"So glad I'm here.
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Jim Jones is a wonderful leader
and we're building a utopia."
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That was what you could write.
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It became extremely repressive.
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Somewhat like a concentration camp.
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People say,
"Well, how could they stay?"
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And a big reason
is they don't have their passports,
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they don't have money to get home.
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A huge reason is that they remain
dedicated to the cause.
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And if they do try to get away,
there's the jungle.
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Jim Jones has 'em.
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We're a happy family, yes we are
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All day long we sing a song
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Father loves us everyone
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We're a happy family, yes we are
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We're a happy family, yes we are
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All day long we sing a song
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IN SAN FRANCISCO, THE RELATIVES
OF PEOPLES TEMPLE MEMBERS
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BEGIN TO FEAR FOR THE SAFETY
OF THEIR LOVED ONES.
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THEY FORM A COALITION CALLED
THE CONCERNED RELATIVES.
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While the people
inside this Ukiah home
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say they fear for the lives
of their friends and family far away
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in that Peoples Temple in Guyana.
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That Reverend Jim Jones works
in some very unexpected ways.
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But they say that talking
about it is worth it.
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Well, yeah, they try
to give you the impression
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that, you know, that everything
you hear is not the truth
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and that everything
is beautiful down there.
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Somehow, Jim Jones has an ability
to control their minds,
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and as long as those minds
are controlled,
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I'm afraid there's a potential
for some danger.
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The Concerned Relatives
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was the label for the unhappy
ex-members as well as parents,
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who wanted access
to the Temple's members in Guyana.
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This is not a commune, this is
not a church, this is just insanity.
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They were having no luck getting
through to their family members.
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They were turned away, their letters
were sent back with, simplistic,
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kind of, "go away" messages.
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These folks were very bothered
by that treatment.
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I really feel,
and anybody can question me,
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I'll submit myself to tests,
I'll talk to psychiatrists, whatever.
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-But I believe I was brainwashed.
-We met with the press.
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I said, you know, I was there
for six years,
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I said, I know
what Jim is capable of.
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JIM JONES HAS CUSTODY OF GRACE'S
SON, JOHN VICTOR, IN GUYANA.
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My son, John, obviously
was being turned against me
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and that's when I decided
to fight for my son.
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The courts are called into play
as Grace Stoen sues Jim Jones
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to get custody of John Victor back.
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And in fact, an arrest order, if he
didn't comply, was being issued.
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I could not let this child go to her.
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He told me some of the most horriblethings she did.
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That you could ever imagine.That she did to him and said to him.
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Jim Jones and the leadership do not
want to let go of John Victor Stoen
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because symbolically, he represents
the ability of anybody Stateside
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to get any child from Jonestown
and bring them back to America.
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WRIT IF HABEAS CORFUS AD,
SUBJICIENDUM
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The Guyanese court order precipitated
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what the settlers later called
the six-day siege.
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SEPTEMBER 1977
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Every member of the community mustcome to the pavilion immediately.
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Jim said, they're coming
for our children,
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and so we need to stand
strong.
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We were being told
that the Guyanese Army was coming in,
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and we were gonna... to fight.
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Because, you know,
if you take one of us,
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you have to take all of us kind
of thing.
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I'm sitting there thinking,
"I wonder how I'm gonna die today."
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Are they gonna come with machine
guns, and I'm a get shot?
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I wonder what a bullet feels like.
At 20.
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I didn't think I was gonna see 21.
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I got a hell of a lotof weapons to fight!
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I got my claws!
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I got cutlasses! I got guns!
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I got dynamite!I got a hell of a lot to fight!
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I'll fight! I'll fight! I will fight!I will fight I will fight!
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I will fight! I will fight!I will fight!
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They're listening!Let the night roar!
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They know we mean it!We'll kill them if they come!
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Jim told us that we were under attack
by the Guyanese army.
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And we were up all night,
like a human chain with our machetes,
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there's guns...
the security is out.
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We'd stand there
and then after a while Jim would say,
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"Well, they're not gonna
come tonight."
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And then he sends us to bed.
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And then the next night,
it could happen again.
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It was six days of being told
that you're under attack.
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And you might die at any moment.
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We weren't getting any rest.
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People were exhausted.
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This is the psyche,
this is what he's doing to us,
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he's constantly preparing us
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to where we're thinking
about our own deaths.
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Jim Jones started talking
about revolutionary suicide.
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And that if they couldn't stay
together because of their enemies,
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then they would die together in order
to show loyalty to one another.
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He was standing on the steps
to the radio room,
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and the people that were still there,
you know, 400 or so,
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he actually said, "Let's take a vote.
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How many people here want
to commit revolutionary suicide?"
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Three people raised
their hand.
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Three.
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And I saw the look of, kind of,
disappointment in his eyes,
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but also a strategic look.
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Kind of like, what am
I gonna have to do?
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I'll never forget that.
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JONES CONVINCES THE GUYANESE
PRIME MINISTER
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TO DROP THE ARREST CHARGES.
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THE SIX DAY SIEGE ENDS.
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JOHN VICTOR REMAINS IN GUYANA.
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The whole thing
was that we were under attack
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by the Guyanese government.
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And then, years later,
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we find out that it was really
over the custody battle.
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So, what are you gonna do?
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So, what am I gonna do now?
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Well, you know, I've been fighting
this legal case for two years,
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trying to get John, and I'll just
keep on trying and trying.
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I'm getting John Stoen out of there,
no matter what I have to do.
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This was 1978.
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I was a legislative counsel to a
member of Congress in San Francisco.
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The Concerned Relatives started
writing to members of Congress,
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Congressman Ryan being one of them.
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I think the issues in this campaign
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are pretty much what they are
anyplace else in the country.
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They're concerned about their jobs,
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they're concerned about the war
in Vietnam...
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Leo Ryan had a reputation as a man
who was willing to investigate.
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When he was warned that
there was abuse of prisoners,
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he got himself anonymously put
in prison for a week.
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When the fate of baby seals
was brought to his attention,
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he went up to defend the seals
by throwing his body
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in front of one of them.
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The first thing we have to do,
is to get in touch with Jonestown.
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Congressman Ryan had this
uncanny ability to look beneath,
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and he listened to these defectors.
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Many of them were interviewed,
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and it became very apparent to him
that there was something wrong.
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I'm trying to find out
what the facts are
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as an absolutely non-committed
person. I have...
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So he decided that he wanted to do
a congressional delegation trip
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to Guyana
and visit the Peoples Temple there.
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At night we heard gunshots
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and Jim says those are the people outthere trying to come in and kills us.
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He said, "Everybody's scared."
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In preparation for the trip,
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I remember sitting in my office
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listening to audio tapes
of interviews from defectors
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and having this ominous feeling.
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I did have a premonition
about the trip.
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You know, I did try
to warn Congressman Ryan.
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I don't think anybody heard us
and/or, they didn't believe us.
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You say there's a lot of this
and you can't believe that.
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I'm telling you that you have never
met up with a man like Jim Jones.
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November 14, 1978
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Tuesday, November 14th.
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Congressman Leo Ryan and his partyof people related to cult members,
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reporters, and cameramen left theUnited States for Georgetown, Guyana,
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hoping to get to Jonestown.
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When Leo Ryan and the Concerned
Relatives and the media arrive
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in Georgetown,
they have a couple tough days.
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Ryan is trying to get permission
to enter Jonestown.
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Jones says no.
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Yankees go home.
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That's the present somewhat hostile
attitude of the Peoples Temple.
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Harris heard some ominous thingsabout Jonestown
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in an interview with a former leaderof the cult who had defected.
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If your mother...
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and your sisters and brother
wanted to leave Jonestown,
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wouldn't they just leave?
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They can't. Why not?
Like, you, they're in a jungle.
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With guards. With guns.
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They can't.
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I was in the radio roomon Thursday night.
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The phone rang, and it was Jones.
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And he said, "So, what do you think?"
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And I said, "They were expecting
to be turned away.
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I think
we should let the congressman in."
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He said, "This is a way to live."
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And the conversation went on
and all of a sudden he just...
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and he went into 20 minutes
of non sequitur sentences,
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slurring half the time.
I was terrified.
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I mean, I thought, "My God,
the leader has lost his mind.
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Literally, lost his mind."
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JONES EVENTUALLY ALLOWS
THE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION
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TO ENTER JONESTOWN.
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-Okay, do we sign in, or what?
-Did you check...
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Go over there and see how much...
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-Check over here with the list.
-Everybody, everybody.
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Congressman Ryan approached our group
and said, "Okay, we have two planes."
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We have this many seats.
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The Concerned Relatives groups
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started kind of fighting
over the seats.
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And I just stepped back, and I said,
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"I'm not fighting for a seat
on the airplane."
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I was told later,
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people said that if I had shown up
on that airstrip on the way in,
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they would've killed everybody
right then and there.
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Nobody would've ever even
got into Jonestown.
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There was so much hatred for me.
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Friday November 17th,
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Congressman Ryan and his partyheaded for Jonestown
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not certain whether they would getthere or what they would find.
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They may have a groupof bad relatives
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who are working with Congressman Ryan
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to try to dictate to us and take usback as prisoners.
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That means every one of you will haveto say to your relatives,
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"No, I will not be a prisoner.No, I will not go back."
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We were told that Leo Ryan was coming
because he was a part of the CIA.
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We were drilled and drilled
and drilled and drilled and drilled.
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People were rehearsed and so it
was a huge, huge, huge deal.
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The government,
they're preparing to come in.
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It's a CIA conspiracy.
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But I do know it's real.
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When settlers in Jonestown hear
from Jones
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that there are gonna be people
coming,
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there are people who start
to see this might be the time
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that we leave Guyana.
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When a congressman comes, surely,
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you know, nobody's gonna screw
with a congressman, you know.
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You could leave with him,
you might be safe.
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I remember thinking I didn't know
how I was gonna leave,
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but I made that commitment
to myself, and my son.
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I said, "Jakari will not spend
another birthday here."
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Diane Louie, a very close
friend of mine,
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said her boyfriend, Richard Clark,
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had started to find a way out the
moment he arrived in Jonestown.
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And I told her that I wanted to go.
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I wanted to leave
with Congressman Ryan.
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I immediately thought, "This
is my chance to get out of here."
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So I was walking down the path
and Monica Bagby just says,
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"Let's get the [bleep] outta here."
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And so from then on, we tried
to talk to one another,
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to bolster one another.
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I'm probably the one
who needed the bolstering.
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Yes, I mean, it sounds crazy,
but, yes, we have a right to leave,
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yes, you know,
it's okay that we leave.
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I wrote the note, you know,
"Help us get out of Jonestown"...
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and that was my plan.
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To hand him the note and ask
for his assistance to leave.
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And it was very much
like a prison escape.
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"You're not walking outta here."
That was what Jim said.
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"You are not leaving here walking.
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You can be dead in a box,
but you're not leaving here."
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The consequences
of conspiring to leave was death...
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period.
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NOVEMBER 17, 1978
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That's Jonestown.
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I'm Congressman Ryan,
I'm from the United States government
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and we're here to...
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inquire into the, health and the
welfare of the American citizens
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who are here.
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So you want to see your congressman,stick around, he may come in.
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I don't know how long he'll stay,but I can assure you that if he stays
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long enough for tea,he's gonna regret it.
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I heard a plane overhead
on November 17th.
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That was Friday.
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A twin-engine plane,
and then the alarm sounded.
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And so I'm excited and I'm scared.
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GREETINGS
PEOPLE TEMPLE AGRICULTURAL PROJECT
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First we went on a tour
of the commune.
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And it was impressive.
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I mean, you are in the deepest,
thickest jungle,
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and yet they had carved out
a viable community.
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-Can you go like this?
-Make a choo-choo train.
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Make a choo-choo train.
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Virtually every person we talked
to said the same thing.
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I love it here,
I never want to go home.
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-You're happy here?
-I'm very happy here.
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It's the best place I've ever been.
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-You wanna stay?
-Definitely.
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I certainly do.
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Some people have said that they
couldn't leave if they wanted to.
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Do you think you could?
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Yeah, if I really wanted to,
I'm free to go.
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If I really wanted to,
I'd be free to go.
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Yeah, get up off your feetAnd dance, dance
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Get up off your feet and dance, dance
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They had entertainment that night.
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Jim Jones was showing
the congressman, this is our people.
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Everything was riding, that night,
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on Congressman Ryan's acceptance
of us.
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So the atmosphere
was extremely tense.
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There's a huge show being put on
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for the benefit of the community,
but obviously, for us as well.
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The entertainment is going on.
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Ryan was invited to get up
and talk to everybody.
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I'm very glad to be here.
This is a congressional inquiry.
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I think that all of you know that I'm
here to find out more about...
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questions have been raised
about your operation here.
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But I can tell you right now,
whatever the comments are,
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there are some people here who
believe that this is the best thing
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that ever happened to them
in their whole lives.
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And the place just exploded
in applause...
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not rehearsed as been printed many,
many times. It was, it was loud.
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My brother told me afterwards that
it was the loudest
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that he'd ever heard Jonestown.
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But it was manic.
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There was an artificiality to it,
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and it didn't just go on
for 30 seconds.
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It went on for minutes and minutes.
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What I hear is this incredible
tension being broken by this...
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way overenthusiastic clapping.
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It was during the performance
that I thought,
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"This is my chance
to get out of here."
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The stakes were very high.
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It was like an all or nothing, do
or die, this is gonna work or else...
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Reporter Don Harris was kinda
doing a circle around the crowd
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in the inside, so he made it possible
for me to pass the note.
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And I put the note in...
kinda the curve of his elbow...
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...but the note fell
out on the ground.
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And this little kid,
he was ten or something,
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he started yelling, "He passed
a note! He passed a note!"
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And I picked it up and I said,
"I think you dropped something."
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I hand it back to him,
and he walked on.
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I'm exposing myself totally,
and I am in pure terror.
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Don Harris approaches us.
And he hands Congressman Ryan a note.
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And the note had Vern Gosney
and Monica Bagby's name on it.
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And it indicated they wanted
to get out of there.
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So my heart sank.
I thought, "This is it.
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It's really true.
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People are being held here
against their will."
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We hear Vern Gosney
has passed a note to somebody,
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saying he wanted to leave.
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Diane comes and she says, "We're
leaving tomorrow." That was the plan.
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After the performance, Congressman
Ryan came and spoke with me,
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and he said, "You are the first one
to ask to leave,
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you'll have the first seats
on the plane."
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And I told him,
"You're in extreme danger.
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You need to leave now."
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He said, "Well, we can't."
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He didn't have any transportation
to leave.
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He couldn't leave if he wanted to.
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I remember lying on this top bunk
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and listening to a torrential
downpour that night on this roof.
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It was staccato sound.
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And I don't know that I got
a wink of sleep that night.
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I was just thinking, "How are
we gonna get out of here safely?"
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NOVEMBER 18, 1978
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We're just a news team.
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We don't care one way or the other.
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You're convinced that Jim Jones
is a good man?
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-Definitely, yeah.
-Yes, I should say so.
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Yes, I mean, I'm 27 years old, black,
free, and I make my own choices,
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and I definitely think
Jim Jones is a beautiful,
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he's got more character
than I ever seen out of anyone.
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And I respect him very, very much.
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On November 18th, it was determined
that we were gonna leave.
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My husband Joe and I have separated.
I have Jakari.
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But that day, Joe shows up,
and I'm holding our son.
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He says, "Where are you going?"
I said, "We're going on a picnic."
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And he goes, "A picnic?"
And I'm thinking,
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"This is the stupidest excuse
you could ever come up with.
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Okay, we blew it. It's over."
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Then he just said, "Well, today
is not a good day, don't go."
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That's what he said.
Now I'm panicking a little bit.
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We have to hustle.
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LESLIE'S GROUP PLANS TO HIKE
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THROUGH THE JUNGLE TO A SMALL
VILLAGE CALLED MATTHEW'S RIDGE.
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Richard says, "It's 30-something
miles and we got to walk it."
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And so, we left.
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And we just started walking
down the road.
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I have Jakari tied to
a sheet on my back.
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And I'm so scared.
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I am so unbelievably scared,
it's hard to breath.
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I feel like my heart's in my throat.
I'm trying to keep from panicking.
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And I'm just waiting for the bullet.
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I met with Congressman
Ryan and Jackie Speier.
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Congressman Ryan said,
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"You have a congressional shield
of protection around you.
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Nothing can happen to you,"
and I just thought, "You're insane."
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VERNON GOSNEY'S WIFE
HAD DIED YEARS EARLIER,
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BUT NOT BEFORE GIVING BIRTH
TO THEIR SON, MARK.
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So then I went to say good-bye
to my son.
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And Edith, his caretaker, was in
the middle between these two guards.
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And then I saw my son.
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I remember him sitting with me,
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and just being like a typical
four-year-old who can't sit still,
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and just squirming and crawling
all around,
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and then he went back to Edith.
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It's a moment that I've went over...
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a million times in my mind.
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A million times in my mind.
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But I didn't know
what was gonna happen.
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So, this is when Jones finally showed
up at the pavilion.
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And I was standing off to the side
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when he was being interviewed
by Don Harris of NBC.
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Harris showed him the note
from Vern or Monica,
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saying they wanted to leave.
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Last night, someone came
and passed me this note.
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Well, that's who we're talking about.
He wants to leave his son here.
474
00:31:32,976 --> 00:31:34,269
If Jonestown is such a bad place,
475
00:31:34,352 --> 00:31:36,020
why does he want to leave his son
here?
476
00:31:38,356 --> 00:31:42,569
Doesn't it concern you, though,
that this man, for whatever reason,
477
00:31:42,652 --> 00:31:44,279
one of the people
in your group was...
478
00:31:44,362 --> 00:31:46,406
People play games, friend.
479
00:31:46,489 --> 00:31:47,949
They lie.
480
00:31:48,741 --> 00:31:51,661
If it's so damn bad,
why is he leaving his son here?
481
00:31:53,246 --> 00:31:55,039
Can you give me a good
reason for that?
482
00:31:55,123 --> 00:31:56,416
-I'll ask him.
-I'd take my son...
483
00:31:56,499 --> 00:31:58,042
I'd take my son with me.
484
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:06,176
But you could see that
he was not right.
485
00:32:07,177 --> 00:32:10,305
I mean, I couldn't see
how not right he was,
486
00:32:10,388 --> 00:32:11,890
but you could see he was not right.
487
00:32:17,854 --> 00:32:20,940
The mood in that pavilion
was starting to be chaos.
488
00:32:22,525 --> 00:32:24,819
And I realized at that moment
489
00:32:24,903 --> 00:32:26,863
that there was other people
that wanted to leave.
490
00:32:28,615 --> 00:32:29,699
Leo, come on.
491
00:32:29,782 --> 00:32:32,827
My name is Jackie Speier
and what is your wish today?
492
00:32:33,745 --> 00:32:35,997
To go back... to go back home.
493
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,458
-And where is home?
-The U.S.
494
00:32:40,543 --> 00:32:41,961
I was quite shocked
495
00:32:42,045 --> 00:32:46,299
because those two families came
with Jim Jones from Indiana.
496
00:32:46,382 --> 00:32:48,801
It's not that I don't think
what you're doing here
497
00:32:48,885 --> 00:32:50,845
-is wonderful, 'cause I do.
-Miss, Miss...
498
00:32:50,929 --> 00:32:54,599
Just know that
there is always a place for you.
499
00:32:54,682 --> 00:32:57,352
-Thank you. Thank you.
-I mean this.
500
00:32:57,435 --> 00:32:58,978
Always a place.
501
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,774
-Sorry, Jim.
-There's always a place for you,
502
00:33:02,857 --> 00:33:04,067
-you know that.
-Yeah, I know there is.
503
00:33:04,150 --> 00:33:06,027
I know there's always
gonna be a place for me.
504
00:33:07,904 --> 00:33:09,364
I'm a forgiving person.
505
00:33:10,740 --> 00:33:14,327
People that had been
with Jim for decades
506
00:33:14,410 --> 00:33:16,037
came up and said, "We wanna go."
507
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,873
And all of a sudden,
the whole mood changed.
508
00:33:20,625 --> 00:33:24,462
I remember there was this screaming
match going on.
509
00:33:24,546 --> 00:33:27,507
-You bring those kids back here!
-Hold on a second.
510
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:29,968
-You bring them back!
-One second.
511
00:33:30,885 --> 00:33:34,973
A couple with a child
was pulling on the child.
512
00:33:35,056 --> 00:33:38,851
One parent had one arm pulling,
she wanted to go,
513
00:33:38,935 --> 00:33:40,186
and the other one wanted to stay.
514
00:33:40,270 --> 00:33:42,605
Don't you touch my kids!
515
00:33:43,731 --> 00:33:47,402
Mother, they're not taking my kids.
516
00:33:47,485 --> 00:33:48,695
No!
517
00:33:49,821 --> 00:33:52,448
And I'm thinking,
"My God, this is..."
518
00:33:52,532 --> 00:33:57,245
The intensity of emotion
had just skyrocketed.
519
00:33:59,414 --> 00:34:01,249
I had tears rolling down my face.
520
00:34:01,332 --> 00:34:05,962
It was so incredibly emotional.
521
00:34:06,045 --> 00:34:08,631
But Jones' demeanor changed.
522
00:34:09,716 --> 00:34:12,844
I could see the anger growing
on his face.
523
00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:17,515
In terms of people leaving,
it had gone from 7 or 8,
524
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:23,563
to now 13 or 14, and now another 9.
We're up over 20 people.
525
00:34:34,782 --> 00:34:38,494
It was decided as the group of
people who wanted to leave grew...
526
00:34:39,495 --> 00:34:42,081
that Congressman Ryan
would stay behind,
527
00:34:42,165 --> 00:34:43,708
and we would have two airlifts.
528
00:34:43,791 --> 00:34:47,879
And I would take the first group out.
529
00:34:51,424 --> 00:34:54,594
And all of a sudden,
Larry Layton jumps onto the truck.
530
00:34:55,595 --> 00:35:00,058
LARRY LAYTON IS CONSIDERED ONE
OF JONES' MOST DEVOTED FOLLOWERS.
531
00:35:01,809 --> 00:35:05,813
Dale Parks came and said,
"Larry Layton is coming with us.
532
00:35:05,897 --> 00:35:07,273
"You've gotta watch him.
He's a plant.
533
00:35:07,357 --> 00:35:10,735
He's not a sincere person
who wants to leave.
534
00:35:10,818 --> 00:35:15,573
We've gotta watch him."
And so we all went, got on the truck.
535
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,328
We're getting ready to leave,
and I remember talking to Don Harris,
536
00:35:20,411 --> 00:35:25,124
and we were feeling relieved, like we
were getting out of this powder keg.
537
00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:31,047
All of a sudden the wind,
I mean, literally, out of nowhere,
538
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:35,551
the wind picked up to,
like, 35, 40 miles an hour.
539
00:35:35,635 --> 00:35:40,890
The sky turned black, and just this
torrential downpour happened.
540
00:35:47,355 --> 00:35:50,149
What I felt,
and I felt it physically,
541
00:35:50,233 --> 00:35:52,610
was evil blow into Jonestown.
542
00:35:54,779 --> 00:35:59,701
It's like a supernatural force
swept in and took over the place.
543
00:35:59,784 --> 00:36:03,454
The reason this was so important
is because the truck couldn't leave.
544
00:36:10,503 --> 00:36:12,296
They kept running the motor
and running the motor
545
00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:14,132
and couldn't get out of the mud.
546
00:36:15,216 --> 00:36:19,679
But what was going through my mind
is, "You're not getting out of here.
547
00:36:21,597 --> 00:36:22,974
You're not gonna leave."
548
00:36:26,769 --> 00:36:30,398
And then there was this eruption
from the pavilion.
549
00:36:31,357 --> 00:36:33,609
Congressman Ryan is back
in the pavilion.
550
00:36:34,610 --> 00:36:36,612
He's across from me.
He's talking to me.
551
00:36:36,696 --> 00:36:41,826
And I noticed a man named Don Sly
walking up behind Congressman Ryan.
552
00:36:41,909 --> 00:36:43,327
He's shaking like a leaf.
553
00:36:43,411 --> 00:36:45,496
And it looks like
he's actually crying.
554
00:36:45,580 --> 00:36:48,916
And I thought to myself, "Somebody
else is leaving," you know?
555
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,460
"Well, he's leaving too."
556
00:36:51,544 --> 00:36:53,504
And all of a sudden,
a knife comes out
557
00:36:53,588 --> 00:36:55,631
and he says, "All right, mother***
you're gonna die."
558
00:37:04,682 --> 00:37:07,643
A knife comes out and he says, "All
right, mother***, you're gonna die."
559
00:37:10,438 --> 00:37:12,690
We all jumped on him
and we got the knife away.
560
00:37:18,654 --> 00:37:20,823
Congressman Ryan is sitting down
561
00:37:20,907 --> 00:37:23,367
and you can see blood
on the congressman's shirt.
562
00:37:24,327 --> 00:37:26,412
He was obviously shaken up.
563
00:37:26,496 --> 00:37:28,039
Somebody just tried to kill him.
564
00:37:29,332 --> 00:37:35,004
Personally, what I felt was,
"My God, the leader is a murderer.
565
00:37:35,087 --> 00:37:39,175
I've been playing peace and love
and he's a murderer."
566
00:37:40,676 --> 00:37:42,136
I felt completely naive.
567
00:37:45,181 --> 00:37:47,642
By this time, Jones is sitting there.
568
00:37:48,684 --> 00:37:50,520
And he's like this and he starts...
569
00:37:54,023 --> 00:37:56,442
"I've never felt Jonestown
so peaceful."
570
00:37:58,945 --> 00:38:02,198
And I got chills all over my body.
571
00:38:02,281 --> 00:38:08,037
'Cause Jonestown had never been
more in pain or more agony.
572
00:38:09,872 --> 00:38:11,207
It felt, literally, to me
573
00:38:11,290 --> 00:38:14,460
like Jonestown was disintegrating
in front of my eyes.
574
00:38:22,426 --> 00:38:25,429
Out walks Congressman Ryan...
575
00:38:26,180 --> 00:38:28,850
and he's got blood stains
on his shirt.
576
00:38:29,517 --> 00:38:31,143
He gets into the cab of the truck
577
00:38:31,227 --> 00:38:34,605
and the truck takes off
for the airstrip.
578
00:38:38,317 --> 00:38:40,987
I thought, "My gosh, we are so lucky.
579
00:38:41,821 --> 00:38:43,573
I mean, we've just dodged a bullet."
580
00:38:45,783 --> 00:38:49,370
There was an attempt on Ryan's life,
we've got these defectors,
581
00:38:49,453 --> 00:38:53,374
I'm still unsure about
why Larry Layton's on this truck,
582
00:38:53,457 --> 00:38:56,460
but we'll sort it out
when we get to the airstrip.
583
00:38:59,589 --> 00:39:03,968
For myself, the feeling on
that truck was terror, foreboding.
584
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:09,307
I don't think
there was a lot of talking going on.
585
00:39:16,606 --> 00:39:18,900
It's six miles to Port Kaituma.
586
00:39:18,983 --> 00:39:20,735
The roads are narrow.
The roads are muddy.
587
00:39:20,818 --> 00:39:22,695
It's gonna take a little
while to get there.
588
00:39:24,196 --> 00:39:27,533
They're gone maybe 10 minutes
when a tractor...
589
00:39:28,993 --> 00:39:30,703
pulls out of Jonestown after them,
590
00:39:30,786 --> 00:39:35,374
and there's a number of men on it,
six, seven, eight, all armed.
591
00:39:36,083 --> 00:39:37,585
And they disappear too.
592
00:39:40,755 --> 00:39:43,132
At this point in time
in the pavilion,
593
00:39:43,215 --> 00:39:45,718
I'm kind of afraid 'cause I helped
save the congressman's life.
594
00:39:45,801 --> 00:39:49,597
So I started kind of easing
my way out of the pavilion.
595
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,142
I walked back to the cottages,
596
00:39:53,225 --> 00:39:56,979
and I felt, literally, like
there was a target on my back.
597
00:39:57,063 --> 00:40:00,316
It felt like I had a sniper's scope
on my back.
598
00:40:05,529 --> 00:40:06,864
This was so hard.
599
00:40:08,366 --> 00:40:11,285
I get back to the cottages
and Gloria's there with Malcolm.
600
00:40:12,244 --> 00:40:14,455
And she was laying down on the bed.
601
00:40:14,538 --> 00:40:17,750
And Malcolm was playing
on the floor with his toys.
602
00:40:17,833 --> 00:40:20,211
And I said, "Do you know
what's happening up there?"
603
00:40:20,294 --> 00:40:21,754
And she shook her head, "Yes,"
604
00:40:21,837 --> 00:40:24,465
and we just started holding
each other...
605
00:40:26,258 --> 00:40:28,386
and I said, "I'm afraid
we're all gonna die."
606
00:40:36,227 --> 00:40:37,561
At Port Kaituma...
607
00:40:38,604 --> 00:40:41,023
Ryan, because there's so many people
coming,
608
00:40:41,107 --> 00:40:43,818
has called ahead asking
that an extra plane come,
609
00:40:43,901 --> 00:40:46,237
that there would
be two planes instead of one.
610
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,997
They're still sorting that out
611
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,333
when Leo Ryan is going to go ahead
and give an interview
612
00:40:59,417 --> 00:41:02,003
to the TV crew on the tarmac.
613
00:41:02,086 --> 00:41:04,547
-Did he say anything when he came up?
-Yeah.
614
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:09,010
He said something about, rob
and choke and kill and or knife.
615
00:41:09,093 --> 00:41:12,888
I don't know. But what he said was,
he intended to kill me.
616
00:41:15,182 --> 00:41:18,019
Congressman Ryan is talking
to some members of the press.
617
00:41:18,102 --> 00:41:21,605
I start to board passengers
onto planes.
618
00:41:21,689 --> 00:41:24,233
And I'm boarding
the smaller plane first.
619
00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:28,779
Myself and Larry Layton
were assigned to the small plane.
620
00:41:30,489 --> 00:41:32,950
Congressman Ryan, at this point,
has come over,
621
00:41:33,034 --> 00:41:35,453
and I says, "You know,
I don't trust Larry Layton.
622
00:41:37,204 --> 00:41:38,914
I don't want to be on the same
plane."
623
00:41:39,915 --> 00:41:41,876
One of the press people is there
624
00:41:41,959 --> 00:41:46,422
and I said, "Would you
just frisk him?" He frisks him.
625
00:41:47,298 --> 00:41:48,716
Doesn't find the gun.
626
00:41:50,176 --> 00:41:53,554
All of a sudden, in comes
the tractor from Jonestown.
627
00:41:57,016 --> 00:42:01,187
They're starting to think,
"there's trouble."
628
00:42:02,271 --> 00:42:05,566
Get on the plane!
Get on the plane!
629
00:42:06,901 --> 00:42:09,028
And all of a sudden,
there was this noise.
630
00:42:11,697 --> 00:42:14,700
I looked out the window and said,
"They're killing everybody.
631
00:42:15,826 --> 00:42:17,203
They're killing everybody."
632
00:42:31,467 --> 00:42:34,595
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