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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,544 --> 00:00:03,672 Reverend Jones, how do you account for such an avid following? 2 00:00:03,755 --> 00:00:06,967 I'm principled and dedicated to my people. 3 00:00:07,676 --> 00:00:11,388 When we moved to San Francisco things went to the next level. 4 00:00:11,471 --> 00:00:15,350 But the rampant drug use increased his paranoia. 5 00:00:15,433 --> 00:00:17,936 You punk! You [bleep] gangland punk! 6 00:00:19,271 --> 00:00:23,567 The more power he got, the sicker he got. 7 00:00:23,650 --> 00:00:26,486 When the story came out, he wasn't around to answer for it. 8 00:00:26,570 --> 00:00:30,240 I remember my father saying, "We're going to Guyana." 9 00:00:31,032 --> 00:00:34,077 In Jonestown, things were good for awhile. 10 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:35,704 But then things started shifting. 11 00:00:35,787 --> 00:00:38,456 Our town could not last. 12 00:00:38,540 --> 00:00:41,293 Well, I know it's not pleasant, children. 13 00:00:41,376 --> 00:00:44,421 But by God, someone's gotta fight this revolution. 14 00:00:59,436 --> 00:01:02,188 SEPTEMBER 1977 15 00:01:02,272 --> 00:01:03,648 Attention, attention. 16 00:01:03,732 --> 00:01:08,361 Every member of the community must come to the pavilion immediately. 17 00:01:08,445 --> 00:01:11,239 We may have an invasion. 18 00:01:13,491 --> 00:01:16,202 Jim said, "They're coming for our children. 19 00:01:16,286 --> 00:01:19,331 They're coming for our children, and so we need to stand strong." 20 00:01:21,666 --> 00:01:25,545 We were all lined up with shovels, and pick axes 21 00:01:25,629 --> 00:01:27,130 and whatever other tools were there. 22 00:01:27,797 --> 00:01:30,133 We were gonna fight. 23 00:01:30,216 --> 00:01:32,594 We'll kill them if they come! 24 00:01:35,138 --> 00:01:38,767 FOUR MONTHS EARLIER 25 00:01:42,854 --> 00:01:45,649 MORE THAN 900 PEOPLES TEMPLE MEMBERS 26 00:01:45,732 --> 00:01:48,526 ARE LIVING IN JONESTOWN, GUYANA. 27 00:01:48,610 --> 00:01:50,737 You don't know what you're missing down here. 28 00:01:50,820 --> 00:01:53,698 These are potato chips made from plantain and they're more delicious, 29 00:01:53,782 --> 00:01:56,326 they're a combination of a potato chip and a French fry. 30 00:01:56,409 --> 00:01:58,119 And radishes. 31 00:01:58,828 --> 00:02:02,290 Here are the people at the table eating an afternoon snack. 32 00:02:05,877 --> 00:02:07,671 It's another sunny day. 33 00:02:07,754 --> 00:02:09,172 It's interesting, when I walk out, 34 00:02:09,255 --> 00:02:11,800 every time I walk out, as the people can verify, the rain will stop. 35 00:02:11,883 --> 00:02:13,677 So that's been amazing. 36 00:02:15,053 --> 00:02:18,765 I think there were many different reasons people went to Jonestown. 37 00:02:18,848 --> 00:02:21,518 It had a lot to do with peer pressure. 38 00:02:21,601 --> 00:02:23,645 For many, they were probably hopeful. 39 00:02:23,728 --> 00:02:26,815 You know, we can be a happy community again. 40 00:02:26,898 --> 00:02:28,066 You all happy? You here? 41 00:02:28,149 --> 00:02:29,734 -You happy, Tom? -Yes. 42 00:02:29,818 --> 00:02:33,655 Everybody's happy down here, you can see that that's an obvious fact. 43 00:02:33,738 --> 00:02:36,241 The story was, we were going to paradise. 44 00:02:37,701 --> 00:02:39,119 The grand Utopia. 45 00:02:41,246 --> 00:02:45,250 But we were trying to feed over 900 people down there. 46 00:02:46,751 --> 00:02:48,920 It was a battle we wouldn't win. 47 00:02:49,003 --> 00:02:51,715 And probably, Dad saw that. 48 00:02:52,382 --> 00:02:54,384 So the drama just escalated, 49 00:02:54,467 --> 00:02:58,263 which only weakened all of us and frightened all of us. 50 00:02:58,346 --> 00:03:02,976 And, frankly, drew us more into his own sickness. 51 00:03:04,436 --> 00:03:09,649 As time grew on, the difference in Jim Jones was very marked. 52 00:03:10,525 --> 00:03:13,653 I think dad was feeling lost in Jonestown. 53 00:03:14,279 --> 00:03:16,531 He could no longer parade about 54 00:03:16,614 --> 00:03:19,743 and convince himself of how grand he is. 55 00:03:19,826 --> 00:03:23,747 His drug use just at that point was off the charts. 56 00:03:27,167 --> 00:03:29,627 He's passed out half the time in his cabin. 57 00:03:31,671 --> 00:03:35,300 He blows up physically, he's terribly bloated. 58 00:03:35,383 --> 00:03:39,304 So, instead of seeing, you know, their god-like leader, 59 00:03:39,387 --> 00:03:41,389 it's just a fat, sweaty man. 60 00:03:42,766 --> 00:03:46,478 He loses any claim to divinity because they're too close to him now. 61 00:03:46,561 --> 00:03:49,147 There's no place for him to go hide. 62 00:03:51,566 --> 00:03:54,027 The punishments did get much more severe. 63 00:03:55,779 --> 00:03:58,573 They had this hole that they put people in. 64 00:03:58,656 --> 00:04:00,700 This item called the box. 65 00:04:03,536 --> 00:04:06,581 People were put in there for punishment purposes. 66 00:04:06,664 --> 00:04:08,666 A person would be blindfolded 67 00:04:08,750 --> 00:04:12,879 and they would be told eels and leeches were in there. 68 00:04:12,962 --> 00:04:15,924 You wanna die, do you? I don't give a [bleep] tonight. 69 00:04:16,007 --> 00:04:18,051 Wait. Put him in the [bleep] box tonight. 70 00:04:18,134 --> 00:04:20,970 -How 'bout going in the box tonight? -Dad? 71 00:04:21,054 --> 00:04:23,515 Put your hand in there. Put your hand in there. 72 00:04:23,598 --> 00:04:26,643 We might as well be free from you. Nobody'll see it. Nobody'll see it. 73 00:04:29,354 --> 00:04:32,649 You couldn't trust anyone with any information. 74 00:04:32,732 --> 00:04:34,776 Children turned in their parents, 75 00:04:34,859 --> 00:04:38,029 so if anyone asked you, "How do you like Jonestown?" 76 00:04:38,112 --> 00:04:40,573 I love it, it's great. 77 00:04:40,657 --> 00:04:42,033 Hello, family. 78 00:04:42,116 --> 00:04:46,746 Greetings, from a truly promised land prepared by Father. 79 00:04:46,830 --> 00:04:50,083 Hello, family, thank Father I have a chance to talk to you and... 80 00:04:53,378 --> 00:04:56,673 The mail was definitely censored. 81 00:04:56,756 --> 00:05:00,051 I didn't get all the letters that were sent to me. 82 00:05:00,134 --> 00:05:01,636 If you were to write, 83 00:05:01,719 --> 00:05:04,472 basically your letter consisted of, "So glad I'm here. 84 00:05:04,556 --> 00:05:09,477 Jim Jones is a wonderful leader and we're building a utopia." 85 00:05:09,561 --> 00:05:11,104 That was what you could write. 86 00:05:11,187 --> 00:05:14,691 It became extremely repressive. 87 00:05:14,774 --> 00:05:17,777 Somewhat like a concentration camp. 88 00:05:18,903 --> 00:05:21,698 People say, "Well, how could they stay?" 89 00:05:21,781 --> 00:05:23,867 And a big reason is they don't have their passports, 90 00:05:23,950 --> 00:05:25,159 they don't have money to get home. 91 00:05:26,953 --> 00:05:30,623 A huge reason is that they remain dedicated to the cause. 92 00:05:31,499 --> 00:05:35,795 And if they do try to get away, there's the jungle. 93 00:05:37,964 --> 00:05:39,674 Jim Jones has 'em. 94 00:05:42,343 --> 00:05:46,723 We're a happy family, yes we are 95 00:05:46,806 --> 00:05:48,850 All day long we sing a song 96 00:05:48,933 --> 00:05:51,019 Father loves us everyone 97 00:05:51,102 --> 00:05:54,689 We're a happy family, yes we are 98 00:05:54,772 --> 00:05:58,735 We're a happy family, yes we are 99 00:05:58,818 --> 00:06:01,279 All day long we sing a song 100 00:06:04,908 --> 00:06:08,369 IN SAN FRANCISCO, THE RELATIVES OF PEOPLES TEMPLE MEMBERS 101 00:06:08,453 --> 00:06:12,332 BEGIN TO FEAR FOR THE SAFETY OF THEIR LOVED ONES. 102 00:06:12,415 --> 00:06:17,503 THEY FORM A COALITION CALLED THE CONCERNED RELATIVES. 103 00:06:17,587 --> 00:06:19,297 While the people inside this Ukiah home 104 00:06:19,380 --> 00:06:22,550 say they fear for the lives of their friends and family far away 105 00:06:22,634 --> 00:06:25,929 in that Peoples Temple in Guyana. 106 00:06:26,012 --> 00:06:29,557 That Reverend Jim Jones works in some very unexpected ways. 107 00:06:29,641 --> 00:06:32,352 But they say that talking about it is worth it. 108 00:06:32,435 --> 00:06:34,395 Well, yeah, they try to give you the impression 109 00:06:34,479 --> 00:06:36,814 that, you know, that everything you hear is not the truth 110 00:06:36,898 --> 00:06:39,859 and that everything is beautiful down there. 111 00:06:39,943 --> 00:06:45,657 Somehow, Jim Jones has an ability to control their minds, 112 00:06:45,740 --> 00:06:47,492 and as long as those minds are controlled, 113 00:06:47,575 --> 00:06:52,038 I'm afraid there's a potential for some danger. 114 00:06:52,121 --> 00:06:53,790 The Concerned Relatives 115 00:06:53,873 --> 00:06:57,085 was the label for the unhappy ex-members as well as parents, 116 00:06:57,168 --> 00:06:59,921 who wanted access to the Temple's members in Guyana. 117 00:07:00,004 --> 00:07:03,633 This is not a commune, this is not a church, this is just insanity. 118 00:07:03,716 --> 00:07:08,096 They were having no luck getting through to their family members. 119 00:07:08,179 --> 00:07:12,100 They were turned away, their letters were sent back with, simplistic, 120 00:07:12,183 --> 00:07:14,227 kind of, "go away" messages. 121 00:07:14,310 --> 00:07:16,437 These folks were very bothered by that treatment. 122 00:07:16,521 --> 00:07:19,774 I really feel, and anybody can question me, 123 00:07:19,857 --> 00:07:24,445 I'll submit myself to tests, I'll talk to psychiatrists, whatever. 124 00:07:24,529 --> 00:07:28,199 -But I believe I was brainwashed. -We met with the press. 125 00:07:28,282 --> 00:07:30,785 I said, you know, I was there for six years, 126 00:07:30,868 --> 00:07:33,454 I said, I know what Jim is capable of. 127 00:07:33,538 --> 00:07:39,669 JIM JONES HAS CUSTODY OF GRACE'S SON, JOHN VICTOR, IN GUYANA. 128 00:07:39,752 --> 00:07:43,673 My son, John, obviously was being turned against me 129 00:07:43,756 --> 00:07:48,136 and that's when I decided to fight for my son. 130 00:07:49,053 --> 00:07:55,018 The courts are called into play as Grace Stoen sues Jim Jones 131 00:07:55,101 --> 00:07:58,021 to get custody of John Victor back. 132 00:07:58,604 --> 00:08:02,942 And in fact, an arrest order, if he didn't comply, was being issued. 133 00:08:05,028 --> 00:08:07,405 I could not let this child go to her. 134 00:08:07,488 --> 00:08:10,158 He told me some of the most horrible things she did. 135 00:08:10,241 --> 00:08:13,578 That you could ever imagine. That she did to him and said to him. 136 00:08:14,412 --> 00:08:18,541 Jim Jones and the leadership do not want to let go of John Victor Stoen 137 00:08:18,624 --> 00:08:24,088 because symbolically, he represents the ability of anybody Stateside 138 00:08:24,172 --> 00:08:28,676 to get any child from Jonestown and bring them back to America. 139 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,346 WRIT IF HABEAS CORFUS AD, SUBJICIENDUM 140 00:08:32,430 --> 00:08:35,183 The Guyanese court order precipitated 141 00:08:35,266 --> 00:08:38,269 what the settlers later called the six-day siege. 142 00:08:39,896 --> 00:08:43,483 SEPTEMBER 1977 143 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:49,906 Every member of the community must come to the pavilion immediately. 144 00:08:49,989 --> 00:08:51,783 Jim said, they're coming for our children, 145 00:08:51,866 --> 00:08:53,618 and so we need to stand strong. 146 00:08:55,787 --> 00:08:58,581 We were being told that the Guyanese Army was coming in, 147 00:08:58,664 --> 00:09:00,792 and we were gonna... to fight. 148 00:09:00,875 --> 00:09:02,376 Because, you know, if you take one of us, 149 00:09:02,460 --> 00:09:04,128 you have to take all of us kind of thing. 150 00:09:07,715 --> 00:09:11,928 I'm sitting there thinking, "I wonder how I'm gonna die today." 151 00:09:12,595 --> 00:09:15,223 Are they gonna come with machine guns, and I'm a get shot? 152 00:09:15,306 --> 00:09:18,351 I wonder what a bullet feels like. At 20. 153 00:09:19,310 --> 00:09:21,187 I didn't think I was gonna see 21. 154 00:09:23,773 --> 00:09:25,817 I got a hell of a lot of weapons to fight! 155 00:09:25,900 --> 00:09:26,984 I got my claws! 156 00:09:27,068 --> 00:09:29,028 I got cutlasses! I got guns! 157 00:09:29,112 --> 00:09:31,697 I got dynamite! I got a hell of a lot to fight! 158 00:09:31,781 --> 00:09:35,535 I'll fight! I'll fight! I will fight! I will fight I will fight! 159 00:09:35,618 --> 00:09:39,580 I will fight! I will fight! I will fight! 160 00:09:40,748 --> 00:09:43,376 They're listening! Let the night roar! 161 00:09:44,919 --> 00:09:49,423 They know we mean it! We'll kill them if they come! 162 00:09:56,264 --> 00:09:59,350 Jim told us that we were under attack by the Guyanese army. 163 00:10:00,101 --> 00:10:05,022 And we were up all night, like a human chain with our machetes, 164 00:10:05,106 --> 00:10:08,943 there's guns... the security is out. 165 00:10:11,779 --> 00:10:14,323 We'd stand there and then after a while Jim would say, 166 00:10:14,407 --> 00:10:16,617 "Well, they're not gonna come tonight." 167 00:10:18,828 --> 00:10:21,038 And then he sends us to bed. 168 00:10:21,122 --> 00:10:23,332 And then the next night, it could happen again. 169 00:10:26,169 --> 00:10:28,921 It was six days of being told that you're under attack. 170 00:10:29,005 --> 00:10:30,965 And you might die at any moment. 171 00:10:33,050 --> 00:10:35,344 We weren't getting any rest. 172 00:10:35,428 --> 00:10:37,263 People were exhausted. 173 00:10:38,014 --> 00:10:41,350 This is the psyche, this is what he's doing to us, 174 00:10:41,434 --> 00:10:44,103 he's constantly preparing us 175 00:10:44,187 --> 00:10:46,772 to where we're thinking about our own deaths. 176 00:10:49,275 --> 00:10:53,863 Jim Jones started talking about revolutionary suicide. 177 00:10:53,946 --> 00:10:56,991 And that if they couldn't stay together because of their enemies, 178 00:10:57,074 --> 00:11:00,953 then they would die together in order to show loyalty to one another. 179 00:11:02,830 --> 00:11:05,750 He was standing on the steps to the radio room, 180 00:11:05,833 --> 00:11:10,838 and the people that were still there, you know, 400 or so, 181 00:11:10,922 --> 00:11:12,840 he actually said, "Let's take a vote. 182 00:11:12,924 --> 00:11:16,302 How many people here want to commit revolutionary suicide?" 183 00:11:18,763 --> 00:11:20,640 Three people raised their hand. 184 00:11:21,682 --> 00:11:23,059 Three. 185 00:11:23,142 --> 00:11:27,313 And I saw the look of, kind of, disappointment in his eyes, 186 00:11:27,396 --> 00:11:29,607 but also a strategic look. 187 00:11:29,690 --> 00:11:32,193 Kind of like, what am I gonna have to do? 188 00:11:33,402 --> 00:11:34,904 I'll never forget that. 189 00:11:35,780 --> 00:11:37,990 JONES CONVINCES THE GUYANESE PRIME MINISTER 190 00:11:38,074 --> 00:11:42,870 TO DROP THE ARREST CHARGES. 191 00:11:44,622 --> 00:11:48,000 THE SIX DAY SIEGE ENDS. 192 00:11:48,084 --> 00:11:52,296 JOHN VICTOR REMAINS IN GUYANA. 193 00:11:53,381 --> 00:11:55,675 The whole thing was that we were under attack 194 00:11:55,758 --> 00:11:57,843 by the Guyanese government. 195 00:11:57,927 --> 00:11:59,387 And then, years later, 196 00:11:59,470 --> 00:12:02,431 we find out that it was really over the custody battle. 197 00:12:03,182 --> 00:12:04,558 So, what are you gonna do? 198 00:12:05,142 --> 00:12:06,477 So, what am I gonna do now? 199 00:12:07,270 --> 00:12:10,773 Well, you know, I've been fighting this legal case for two years, 200 00:12:10,856 --> 00:12:13,859 trying to get John, and I'll just keep on trying and trying. 201 00:12:13,943 --> 00:12:19,198 I'm getting John Stoen out of there, no matter what I have to do. 202 00:12:32,253 --> 00:12:34,505 This was 1978. 203 00:12:34,588 --> 00:12:39,552 I was a legislative counsel to a member of Congress in San Francisco. 204 00:12:43,431 --> 00:12:48,269 The Concerned Relatives started writing to members of Congress, 205 00:12:48,352 --> 00:12:49,979 Congressman Ryan being one of them. 206 00:12:50,062 --> 00:12:51,522 I think the issues in this campaign 207 00:12:51,605 --> 00:12:53,357 are pretty much what they are anyplace else in the country. 208 00:12:53,441 --> 00:12:54,692 They're concerned about their jobs, 209 00:12:54,775 --> 00:12:56,235 they're concerned about the war in Vietnam... 210 00:12:56,319 --> 00:13:01,240 Leo Ryan had a reputation as a man who was willing to investigate. 211 00:13:03,451 --> 00:13:08,414 When he was warned that there was abuse of prisoners, 212 00:13:08,497 --> 00:13:11,792 he got himself anonymously put in prison for a week. 213 00:13:12,501 --> 00:13:16,380 When the fate of baby seals was brought to his attention, 214 00:13:16,464 --> 00:13:19,592 he went up to defend the seals by throwing his body 215 00:13:19,675 --> 00:13:21,302 in front of one of them. 216 00:13:24,930 --> 00:13:29,643 The first thing we have to do, is to get in touch with Jonestown. 217 00:13:29,727 --> 00:13:36,108 Congressman Ryan had this uncanny ability to look beneath, 218 00:13:36,192 --> 00:13:39,904 and he listened to these defectors. 219 00:13:40,738 --> 00:13:43,407 Many of them were interviewed, 220 00:13:43,491 --> 00:13:47,953 and it became very apparent to him that there was something wrong. 221 00:13:48,037 --> 00:13:50,873 I'm trying to find out what the facts are 222 00:13:50,956 --> 00:13:53,459 as an absolutely non-committed person. I have... 223 00:13:53,542 --> 00:13:58,839 So he decided that he wanted to do a congressional delegation trip 224 00:13:58,923 --> 00:14:02,426 to Guyana and visit the Peoples Temple there. 225 00:14:04,178 --> 00:14:06,097 At night we heard gunshots 226 00:14:06,180 --> 00:14:09,392 and Jim says those are the people out there trying to come in and kills us. 227 00:14:09,475 --> 00:14:11,102 He said, "Everybody's scared." 228 00:14:12,061 --> 00:14:13,604 In preparation for the trip, 229 00:14:13,687 --> 00:14:15,856 I remember sitting in my office 230 00:14:15,940 --> 00:14:20,945 listening to audio tapes of interviews from defectors 231 00:14:21,028 --> 00:14:24,532 and having this ominous feeling. 232 00:14:25,366 --> 00:14:28,035 I did have a premonition about the trip. 233 00:14:32,873 --> 00:14:36,085 You know, I did try to warn Congressman Ryan. 234 00:14:36,168 --> 00:14:40,798 I don't think anybody heard us and/or, they didn't believe us. 235 00:14:41,465 --> 00:14:44,009 You say there's a lot of this and you can't believe that. 236 00:14:44,093 --> 00:14:49,014 I'm telling you that you have never met up with a man like Jim Jones. 237 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,523 November 14, 1978 238 00:14:57,606 --> 00:14:59,483 Tuesday, November 14th. 239 00:14:59,567 --> 00:15:03,195 Congressman Leo Ryan and his party of people related to cult members, 240 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:07,658 reporters, and cameramen left the United States for Georgetown, Guyana, 241 00:15:07,741 --> 00:15:09,994 hoping to get to Jonestown. 242 00:15:15,416 --> 00:15:18,919 When Leo Ryan and the Concerned Relatives and the media arrive 243 00:15:19,003 --> 00:15:23,883 in Georgetown, they have a couple tough days. 244 00:15:23,966 --> 00:15:27,511 Ryan is trying to get permission to enter Jonestown. 245 00:15:27,595 --> 00:15:30,681 Jones says no. 246 00:15:32,641 --> 00:15:34,435 Yankees go home. 247 00:15:39,148 --> 00:15:45,488 That's the present somewhat hostile attitude of the Peoples Temple. 248 00:15:49,158 --> 00:15:51,660 Harris heard some ominous things about Jonestown 249 00:15:51,744 --> 00:15:54,997 in an interview with a former leader of the cult who had defected. 250 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,707 If your mother... 251 00:15:57,958 --> 00:16:03,130 and your sisters and brother wanted to leave Jonestown, 252 00:16:03,214 --> 00:16:04,590 wouldn't they just leave? 253 00:16:05,257 --> 00:16:08,844 They can't. Why not? Like, you, they're in a jungle. 254 00:16:09,595 --> 00:16:12,389 With guards. With guns. 255 00:16:12,473 --> 00:16:14,225 They can't. 256 00:16:17,853 --> 00:16:20,773 I was in the radio room on Thursday night. 257 00:16:21,941 --> 00:16:23,651 The phone rang, and it was Jones. 258 00:16:24,860 --> 00:16:27,363 And he said, "So, what do you think?" 259 00:16:27,446 --> 00:16:30,241 And I said, "They were expecting to be turned away. 260 00:16:30,324 --> 00:16:31,951 I think we should let the congressman in." 261 00:16:32,034 --> 00:16:35,246 He said, "This is a way to live." 262 00:16:36,539 --> 00:16:39,166 And the conversation went on and all of a sudden he just... 263 00:16:39,250 --> 00:16:44,463 and he went into 20 minutes of non sequitur sentences, 264 00:16:44,547 --> 00:16:47,800 slurring half the time. I was terrified. 265 00:16:48,425 --> 00:16:52,555 I mean, I thought, "My God, the leader has lost his mind. 266 00:16:52,638 --> 00:16:56,267 Literally, lost his mind." 267 00:16:56,350 --> 00:17:00,563 JONES EVENTUALLY ALLOWS THE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION 268 00:17:00,646 --> 00:17:02,773 TO ENTER JONESTOWN. 269 00:17:03,816 --> 00:17:05,818 -Okay, do we sign in, or what? -Did you check... 270 00:17:05,901 --> 00:17:07,236 Go over there and see how much... 271 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:10,364 -Check over here with the list. -Everybody, everybody. 272 00:17:11,949 --> 00:17:16,537 Congressman Ryan approached our group and said, "Okay, we have two planes." 273 00:17:17,371 --> 00:17:19,582 We have this many seats. 274 00:17:20,666 --> 00:17:22,084 The Concerned Relatives groups 275 00:17:22,167 --> 00:17:23,961 started kind of fighting over the seats. 276 00:17:24,044 --> 00:17:26,171 And I just stepped back, and I said, 277 00:17:26,255 --> 00:17:28,799 "I'm not fighting for a seat on the airplane." 278 00:17:31,260 --> 00:17:32,803 I was told later, 279 00:17:32,886 --> 00:17:38,392 people said that if I had shown up on that airstrip on the way in, 280 00:17:38,475 --> 00:17:40,811 they would've killed everybody right then and there. 281 00:17:40,894 --> 00:17:42,938 Nobody would've ever even got into Jonestown. 282 00:17:43,022 --> 00:17:45,190 There was so much hatred for me. 283 00:18:01,790 --> 00:18:03,542 Friday November 17th, 284 00:18:03,626 --> 00:18:06,629 Congressman Ryan and his party headed for Jonestown 285 00:18:06,712 --> 00:18:10,382 not certain whether they would get there or what they would find. 286 00:18:13,719 --> 00:18:16,096 They may have a group of bad relatives 287 00:18:16,180 --> 00:18:18,223 who are working with Congressman Ryan 288 00:18:18,307 --> 00:18:21,602 to try to dictate to us and take us back as prisoners. 289 00:18:21,685 --> 00:18:24,897 That means every one of you will have to say to your relatives, 290 00:18:24,980 --> 00:18:28,525 "No, I will not be a prisoner. No, I will not go back." 291 00:18:29,902 --> 00:18:35,532 We were told that Leo Ryan was coming because he was a part of the CIA. 292 00:18:36,283 --> 00:18:40,245 We were drilled and drilled and drilled and drilled and drilled. 293 00:18:40,329 --> 00:18:46,460 People were rehearsed and so it was a huge, huge, huge deal. 294 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,922 The government, they're preparing to come in. 295 00:18:50,005 --> 00:18:51,757 It's a CIA conspiracy. 296 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,884 But I do know it's real. 297 00:18:55,344 --> 00:18:59,139 When settlers in Jonestown hear from Jones 298 00:18:59,223 --> 00:19:01,141 that there are gonna be people coming, 299 00:19:01,225 --> 00:19:03,352 there are people who start to see this might be the time 300 00:19:03,435 --> 00:19:05,104 that we leave Guyana. 301 00:19:06,689 --> 00:19:08,565 When a congressman comes, surely, 302 00:19:08,649 --> 00:19:11,402 you know, nobody's gonna screw with a congressman, you know. 303 00:19:11,485 --> 00:19:13,862 You could leave with him, you might be safe. 304 00:19:18,242 --> 00:19:21,995 I remember thinking I didn't know how I was gonna leave, 305 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:24,915 but I made that commitment to myself, and my son. 306 00:19:24,998 --> 00:19:28,627 I said, "Jakari will not spend another birthday here." 307 00:19:31,046 --> 00:19:33,549 Diane Louie, a very close friend of mine, 308 00:19:33,632 --> 00:19:35,926 said her boyfriend, Richard Clark, 309 00:19:36,009 --> 00:19:40,013 had started to find a way out the moment he arrived in Jonestown. 310 00:19:40,097 --> 00:19:42,099 And I told her that I wanted to go. 311 00:19:43,892 --> 00:19:45,811 I wanted to leave with Congressman Ryan. 312 00:19:45,894 --> 00:19:51,400 I immediately thought, "This is my chance to get out of here." 313 00:19:51,483 --> 00:19:57,531 So I was walking down the path and Monica Bagby just says, 314 00:19:57,614 --> 00:19:59,491 "Let's get the [bleep] outta here." 315 00:20:00,617 --> 00:20:04,413 And so from then on, we tried to talk to one another, 316 00:20:04,496 --> 00:20:06,039 to bolster one another. 317 00:20:06,123 --> 00:20:08,959 I'm probably the one who needed the bolstering. 318 00:20:09,042 --> 00:20:14,506 Yes, I mean, it sounds crazy, but, yes, we have a right to leave, 319 00:20:14,590 --> 00:20:17,468 yes, you know, it's okay that we leave. 320 00:20:21,972 --> 00:20:25,601 I wrote the note, you know, "Help us get out of Jonestown"... 321 00:20:27,686 --> 00:20:30,439 and that was my plan. 322 00:20:31,231 --> 00:20:35,569 To hand him the note and ask for his assistance to leave. 323 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,697 And it was very much like a prison escape. 324 00:20:39,615 --> 00:20:42,326 "You're not walking outta here." That was what Jim said. 325 00:20:42,409 --> 00:20:45,204 "You are not leaving here walking. 326 00:20:45,287 --> 00:20:47,831 You can be dead in a box, but you're not leaving here." 327 00:20:48,999 --> 00:20:51,919 The consequences of conspiring to leave was death... 328 00:20:52,961 --> 00:20:53,879 period. 329 00:20:56,965 --> 00:20:59,968 NOVEMBER 17, 1978 330 00:21:05,390 --> 00:21:07,518 That's Jonestown. 331 00:21:15,192 --> 00:21:17,694 I'm Congressman Ryan, I'm from the United States government 332 00:21:17,778 --> 00:21:18,779 and we're here to... 333 00:21:18,862 --> 00:21:22,908 inquire into the, health and the welfare of the American citizens 334 00:21:22,991 --> 00:21:24,284 who are here. 335 00:21:24,368 --> 00:21:27,329 So you want to see your congressman, stick around, he may come in. 336 00:21:27,412 --> 00:21:31,291 I don't know how long he'll stay, but I can assure you that if he stays 337 00:21:31,375 --> 00:21:33,710 long enough for tea, he's gonna regret it. 338 00:21:37,673 --> 00:21:41,218 I heard a plane overhead on November 17th. 339 00:21:41,301 --> 00:21:42,970 That was Friday. 340 00:21:43,053 --> 00:21:46,473 A twin-engine plane, and then the alarm sounded. 341 00:21:50,561 --> 00:21:52,312 And so I'm excited and I'm scared. 342 00:21:55,232 --> 00:22:00,445 GREETINGS PEOPLE TEMPLE AGRICULTURAL PROJECT 343 00:22:06,910 --> 00:22:11,039 First we went on a tour of the commune. 344 00:22:11,123 --> 00:22:12,791 And it was impressive. 345 00:22:14,001 --> 00:22:17,004 I mean, you are in the deepest, thickest jungle, 346 00:22:17,087 --> 00:22:21,925 and yet they had carved out a viable community. 347 00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:26,096 -Can you go like this? -Make a choo-choo train. 348 00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:27,848 Make a choo-choo train. 349 00:22:28,557 --> 00:22:33,896 Virtually every person we talked to said the same thing. 350 00:22:33,979 --> 00:22:37,316 I love it here, I never want to go home. 351 00:22:37,399 --> 00:22:39,776 -You're happy here? -I'm very happy here. 352 00:22:39,860 --> 00:22:41,361 It's the best place I've ever been. 353 00:22:41,445 --> 00:22:43,614 -You wanna stay? -Definitely. 354 00:22:44,823 --> 00:22:46,325 I certainly do. 355 00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:51,288 Some people have said that they couldn't leave if they wanted to. 356 00:22:51,371 --> 00:22:52,497 Do you think you could? 357 00:22:52,581 --> 00:22:55,167 Yeah, if I really wanted to, I'm free to go. 358 00:22:55,250 --> 00:22:58,211 If I really wanted to, I'd be free to go. 359 00:22:58,295 --> 00:23:02,966 Yeah, get up off your feet And dance, dance 360 00:23:03,050 --> 00:23:05,844 Get up off your feet and dance, dance 361 00:23:05,928 --> 00:23:08,138 They had entertainment that night. 362 00:23:08,221 --> 00:23:11,516 Jim Jones was showing the congressman, this is our people. 363 00:23:16,605 --> 00:23:18,982 Everything was riding, that night, 364 00:23:19,066 --> 00:23:22,110 on Congressman Ryan's acceptance of us. 365 00:23:22,903 --> 00:23:26,823 So the atmosphere was extremely tense. 366 00:23:28,909 --> 00:23:31,453 There's a huge show being put on 367 00:23:31,536 --> 00:23:36,416 for the benefit of the community, but obviously, for us as well. 368 00:23:41,338 --> 00:23:43,465 The entertainment is going on. 369 00:23:43,548 --> 00:23:47,177 Ryan was invited to get up and talk to everybody. 370 00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:49,846 I'm very glad to be here. This is a congressional inquiry. 371 00:23:49,930 --> 00:23:53,266 I think that all of you know that I'm here to find out more about... 372 00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:55,560 questions have been raised about your operation here. 373 00:23:55,644 --> 00:23:58,313 But I can tell you right now, whatever the comments are, 374 00:23:58,397 --> 00:24:00,482 there are some people here who believe that this is the best thing 375 00:24:00,565 --> 00:24:02,693 that ever happened to them in their whole lives. 376 00:24:08,907 --> 00:24:11,618 And the place just exploded in applause... 377 00:24:13,036 --> 00:24:19,710 not rehearsed as been printed many, many times. It was, it was loud. 378 00:24:19,793 --> 00:24:22,212 My brother told me afterwards that it was the loudest 379 00:24:22,295 --> 00:24:23,839 that he'd ever heard Jonestown. 380 00:24:28,927 --> 00:24:30,262 But it was manic. 381 00:24:30,345 --> 00:24:33,098 There was an artificiality to it, 382 00:24:33,181 --> 00:24:36,601 and it didn't just go on for 30 seconds. 383 00:24:36,685 --> 00:24:39,271 It went on for minutes and minutes. 384 00:24:50,282 --> 00:24:56,413 What I hear is this incredible tension being broken by this... 385 00:24:56,496 --> 00:24:59,374 way overenthusiastic clapping. 386 00:25:04,254 --> 00:25:07,716 It was during the performance that I thought, 387 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:10,886 "This is my chance to get out of here." 388 00:25:10,969 --> 00:25:12,596 The stakes were very high. 389 00:25:12,679 --> 00:25:17,893 It was like an all or nothing, do or die, this is gonna work or else... 390 00:25:19,811 --> 00:25:24,357 Reporter Don Harris was kinda doing a circle around the crowd 391 00:25:24,441 --> 00:25:30,447 in the inside, so he made it possible for me to pass the note. 392 00:25:35,285 --> 00:25:40,999 And I put the note in... kinda the curve of his elbow... 393 00:25:42,959 --> 00:25:46,296 ...but the note fell out on the ground. 394 00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:53,386 And this little kid, he was ten or something, 395 00:25:53,470 --> 00:25:56,515 he started yelling, "He passed a note! He passed a note!" 396 00:25:56,598 --> 00:25:59,392 And I picked it up and I said, "I think you dropped something." 397 00:25:59,476 --> 00:26:04,648 I hand it back to him, and he walked on. 398 00:26:04,731 --> 00:26:10,862 I'm exposing myself totally, and I am in pure terror. 399 00:26:12,239 --> 00:26:16,910 Don Harris approaches us. And he hands Congressman Ryan a note. 400 00:26:16,993 --> 00:26:22,582 And the note had Vern Gosney and Monica Bagby's name on it. 401 00:26:22,666 --> 00:26:26,753 And it indicated they wanted to get out of there. 402 00:26:27,921 --> 00:26:32,050 So my heart sank. I thought, "This is it. 403 00:26:32,134 --> 00:26:33,093 It's really true. 404 00:26:33,927 --> 00:26:36,888 People are being held here against their will." 405 00:26:38,932 --> 00:26:43,019 We hear Vern Gosney has passed a note to somebody, 406 00:26:43,103 --> 00:26:44,479 saying he wanted to leave. 407 00:26:46,106 --> 00:26:50,777 Diane comes and she says, "We're leaving tomorrow." That was the plan. 408 00:26:55,615 --> 00:26:59,077 After the performance, Congressman Ryan came and spoke with me, 409 00:27:00,370 --> 00:27:03,206 and he said, "You are the first one to ask to leave, 410 00:27:03,290 --> 00:27:06,126 you'll have the first seats on the plane." 411 00:27:06,209 --> 00:27:11,798 And I told him, "You're in extreme danger. 412 00:27:12,382 --> 00:27:15,302 You need to leave now." 413 00:27:17,470 --> 00:27:19,306 He said, "Well, we can't." 414 00:27:19,389 --> 00:27:21,683 He didn't have any transportation to leave. 415 00:27:21,766 --> 00:27:23,643 He couldn't leave if he wanted to. 416 00:27:34,112 --> 00:27:37,449 I remember lying on this top bunk 417 00:27:38,366 --> 00:27:44,706 and listening to a torrential downpour that night on this roof. 418 00:27:45,790 --> 00:27:48,501 It was staccato sound. 419 00:27:49,502 --> 00:27:53,131 And I don't know that I got a wink of sleep that night. 420 00:27:53,215 --> 00:27:56,927 I was just thinking, "How are we gonna get out of here safely?" 421 00:28:03,975 --> 00:28:08,772 NOVEMBER 18, 1978 422 00:28:11,441 --> 00:28:12,859 We're just a news team. 423 00:28:12,943 --> 00:28:15,612 We don't care one way or the other. 424 00:28:15,695 --> 00:28:18,782 You're convinced that Jim Jones is a good man? 425 00:28:18,865 --> 00:28:21,034 -Definitely, yeah. -Yes, I should say so. 426 00:28:21,117 --> 00:28:26,831 Yes, I mean, I'm 27 years old, black, free, and I make my own choices, 427 00:28:26,915 --> 00:28:29,918 and I definitely think Jim Jones is a beautiful, 428 00:28:30,001 --> 00:28:33,046 he's got more character than I ever seen out of anyone. 429 00:28:33,129 --> 00:28:35,257 And I respect him very, very much. 430 00:28:38,093 --> 00:28:41,596 On November 18th, it was determined that we were gonna leave. 431 00:28:42,347 --> 00:28:45,767 My husband Joe and I have separated. I have Jakari. 432 00:28:46,601 --> 00:28:50,397 But that day, Joe shows up, and I'm holding our son. 433 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,234 He says, "Where are you going?" I said, "We're going on a picnic." 434 00:28:54,317 --> 00:28:57,320 And he goes, "A picnic?" And I'm thinking, 435 00:28:57,404 --> 00:29:00,073 "This is the stupidest excuse you could ever come up with. 436 00:29:01,783 --> 00:29:04,327 Okay, we blew it. It's over." 437 00:29:04,411 --> 00:29:07,414 Then he just said, "Well, today is not a good day, don't go." 438 00:29:08,081 --> 00:29:10,959 That's what he said. Now I'm panicking a little bit. 439 00:29:11,042 --> 00:29:12,168 We have to hustle. 440 00:29:12,252 --> 00:29:14,004 LESLIE'S GROUP PLANS TO HIKE 441 00:29:14,087 --> 00:29:16,923 THROUGH THE JUNGLE TO A SMALL VILLAGE CALLED MATTHEW'S RIDGE. 442 00:29:17,007 --> 00:29:20,844 Richard says, "It's 30-something miles and we got to walk it." 443 00:29:20,927 --> 00:29:23,430 And so, we left. 444 00:29:26,266 --> 00:29:28,893 And we just started walking down the road. 445 00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:34,524 I have Jakari tied to a sheet on my back. 446 00:29:35,775 --> 00:29:37,027 And I'm so scared. 447 00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:40,864 I am so unbelievably scared, it's hard to breath. 448 00:29:40,947 --> 00:29:45,285 I feel like my heart's in my throat. I'm trying to keep from panicking. 449 00:29:45,910 --> 00:29:47,787 And I'm just waiting for the bullet. 450 00:29:51,958 --> 00:29:55,295 I met with Congressman Ryan and Jackie Speier. 451 00:29:55,962 --> 00:29:57,255 Congressman Ryan said, 452 00:29:57,339 --> 00:30:01,509 "You have a congressional shield of protection around you. 453 00:30:02,844 --> 00:30:08,099 Nothing can happen to you," and I just thought, "You're insane." 454 00:30:08,183 --> 00:30:11,728 VERNON GOSNEY'S WIFE HAD DIED YEARS EARLIER, 455 00:30:11,811 --> 00:30:15,690 BUT NOT BEFORE GIVING BIRTH TO THEIR SON, MARK. 456 00:30:18,568 --> 00:30:21,905 So then I went to say good-bye to my son. 457 00:30:23,740 --> 00:30:30,163 And Edith, his caretaker, was in the middle between these two guards. 458 00:30:31,956 --> 00:30:33,458 And then I saw my son. 459 00:30:34,751 --> 00:30:36,461 I remember him sitting with me, 460 00:30:36,544 --> 00:30:40,507 and just being like a typical four-year-old who can't sit still, 461 00:30:40,590 --> 00:30:43,301 and just squirming and crawling all around, 462 00:30:43,385 --> 00:30:46,137 and then he went back to Edith. 463 00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:49,849 It's a moment that I've went over... 464 00:30:51,059 --> 00:30:52,560 a million times in my mind. 465 00:30:53,561 --> 00:30:55,438 A million times in my mind. 466 00:30:57,357 --> 00:30:59,734 But I didn't know what was gonna happen. 467 00:31:04,406 --> 00:31:07,784 So, this is when Jones finally showed up at the pavilion. 468 00:31:09,661 --> 00:31:11,496 And I was standing off to the side 469 00:31:11,579 --> 00:31:15,834 when he was being interviewed by Don Harris of NBC. 470 00:31:16,835 --> 00:31:19,921 Harris showed him the note from Vern or Monica, 471 00:31:20,004 --> 00:31:22,507 saying they wanted to leave. 472 00:31:22,590 --> 00:31:25,760 Last night, someone came and passed me this note. 473 00:31:30,181 --> 00:31:32,892 Well, that's who we're talking about. He wants to leave his son here. 474 00:31:32,976 --> 00:31:34,269 If Jonestown is such a bad place, 475 00:31:34,352 --> 00:31:36,020 why does he want to leave his son here? 476 00:31:38,356 --> 00:31:42,569 Doesn't it concern you, though, that this man, for whatever reason, 477 00:31:42,652 --> 00:31:44,279 one of the people in your group was... 478 00:31:44,362 --> 00:31:46,406 People play games, friend. 479 00:31:46,489 --> 00:31:47,949 They lie. 480 00:31:48,741 --> 00:31:51,661 If it's so damn bad, why is he leaving his son here? 481 00:31:53,246 --> 00:31:55,039 Can you give me a good reason for that? 482 00:31:55,123 --> 00:31:56,416 -I'll ask him. -I'd take my son... 483 00:31:56,499 --> 00:31:58,042 I'd take my son with me. 484 00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:06,176 But you could see that he was not right. 485 00:32:07,177 --> 00:32:10,305 I mean, I couldn't see how not right he was, 486 00:32:10,388 --> 00:32:11,890 but you could see he was not right. 487 00:32:17,854 --> 00:32:20,940 The mood in that pavilion was starting to be chaos. 488 00:32:22,525 --> 00:32:24,819 And I realized at that moment 489 00:32:24,903 --> 00:32:26,863 that there was other people that wanted to leave. 490 00:32:28,615 --> 00:32:29,699 Leo, come on. 491 00:32:29,782 --> 00:32:32,827 My name is Jackie Speier and what is your wish today? 492 00:32:33,745 --> 00:32:35,997 To go back... to go back home. 493 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,458 -And where is home? -The U.S. 494 00:32:40,543 --> 00:32:41,961 I was quite shocked 495 00:32:42,045 --> 00:32:46,299 because those two families came with Jim Jones from Indiana. 496 00:32:46,382 --> 00:32:48,801 It's not that I don't think what you're doing here 497 00:32:48,885 --> 00:32:50,845 -is wonderful, 'cause I do. -Miss, Miss... 498 00:32:50,929 --> 00:32:54,599 Just know that there is always a place for you. 499 00:32:54,682 --> 00:32:57,352 -Thank you. Thank you. -I mean this. 500 00:32:57,435 --> 00:32:58,978 Always a place. 501 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,774 -Sorry, Jim. -There's always a place for you, 502 00:33:02,857 --> 00:33:04,067 -you know that. -Yeah, I know there is. 503 00:33:04,150 --> 00:33:06,027 I know there's always gonna be a place for me. 504 00:33:07,904 --> 00:33:09,364 I'm a forgiving person. 505 00:33:10,740 --> 00:33:14,327 People that had been with Jim for decades 506 00:33:14,410 --> 00:33:16,037 came up and said, "We wanna go." 507 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,873 And all of a sudden, the whole mood changed. 508 00:33:20,625 --> 00:33:24,462 I remember there was this screaming match going on. 509 00:33:24,546 --> 00:33:27,507 -You bring those kids back here! -Hold on a second. 510 00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:29,968 -You bring them back! -One second. 511 00:33:30,885 --> 00:33:34,973 A couple with a child was pulling on the child. 512 00:33:35,056 --> 00:33:38,851 One parent had one arm pulling, she wanted to go, 513 00:33:38,935 --> 00:33:40,186 and the other one wanted to stay. 514 00:33:40,270 --> 00:33:42,605 Don't you touch my kids! 515 00:33:43,731 --> 00:33:47,402 Mother, they're not taking my kids. 516 00:33:47,485 --> 00:33:48,695 No! 517 00:33:49,821 --> 00:33:52,448 And I'm thinking, "My God, this is..." 518 00:33:52,532 --> 00:33:57,245 The intensity of emotion had just skyrocketed. 519 00:33:59,414 --> 00:34:01,249 I had tears rolling down my face. 520 00:34:01,332 --> 00:34:05,962 It was so incredibly emotional. 521 00:34:06,045 --> 00:34:08,631 But Jones' demeanor changed. 522 00:34:09,716 --> 00:34:12,844 I could see the anger growing on his face. 523 00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:17,515 In terms of people leaving, it had gone from 7 or 8, 524 00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:23,563 to now 13 or 14, and now another 9. We're up over 20 people. 525 00:34:34,782 --> 00:34:38,494 It was decided as the group of people who wanted to leave grew... 526 00:34:39,495 --> 00:34:42,081 that Congressman Ryan would stay behind, 527 00:34:42,165 --> 00:34:43,708 and we would have two airlifts. 528 00:34:43,791 --> 00:34:47,879 And I would take the first group out. 529 00:34:51,424 --> 00:34:54,594 And all of a sudden, Larry Layton jumps onto the truck. 530 00:34:55,595 --> 00:35:00,058 LARRY LAYTON IS CONSIDERED ONE OF JONES' MOST DEVOTED FOLLOWERS. 531 00:35:01,809 --> 00:35:05,813 Dale Parks came and said, "Larry Layton is coming with us. 532 00:35:05,897 --> 00:35:07,273 "You've gotta watch him. He's a plant. 533 00:35:07,357 --> 00:35:10,735 He's not a sincere person who wants to leave. 534 00:35:10,818 --> 00:35:15,573 We've gotta watch him." And so we all went, got on the truck. 535 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,328 We're getting ready to leave, and I remember talking to Don Harris, 536 00:35:20,411 --> 00:35:25,124 and we were feeling relieved, like we were getting out of this powder keg. 537 00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:31,047 All of a sudden the wind, I mean, literally, out of nowhere, 538 00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:35,551 the wind picked up to, like, 35, 40 miles an hour. 539 00:35:35,635 --> 00:35:40,890 The sky turned black, and just this torrential downpour happened. 540 00:35:47,355 --> 00:35:50,149 What I felt, and I felt it physically, 541 00:35:50,233 --> 00:35:52,610 was evil blow into Jonestown. 542 00:35:54,779 --> 00:35:59,701 It's like a supernatural force swept in and took over the place. 543 00:35:59,784 --> 00:36:03,454 The reason this was so important is because the truck couldn't leave. 544 00:36:10,503 --> 00:36:12,296 They kept running the motor and running the motor 545 00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:14,132 and couldn't get out of the mud. 546 00:36:15,216 --> 00:36:19,679 But what was going through my mind is, "You're not getting out of here. 547 00:36:21,597 --> 00:36:22,974 You're not gonna leave." 548 00:36:26,769 --> 00:36:30,398 And then there was this eruption from the pavilion. 549 00:36:31,357 --> 00:36:33,609 Congressman Ryan is back in the pavilion. 550 00:36:34,610 --> 00:36:36,612 He's across from me. He's talking to me. 551 00:36:36,696 --> 00:36:41,826 And I noticed a man named Don Sly walking up behind Congressman Ryan. 552 00:36:41,909 --> 00:36:43,327 He's shaking like a leaf. 553 00:36:43,411 --> 00:36:45,496 And it looks like he's actually crying. 554 00:36:45,580 --> 00:36:48,916 And I thought to myself, "Somebody else is leaving," you know? 555 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,460 "Well, he's leaving too." 556 00:36:51,544 --> 00:36:53,504 And all of a sudden, a knife comes out 557 00:36:53,588 --> 00:36:55,631 and he says, "All right, mother*** you're gonna die." 558 00:37:04,682 --> 00:37:07,643 A knife comes out and he says, "All right, mother***, you're gonna die." 559 00:37:10,438 --> 00:37:12,690 We all jumped on him and we got the knife away. 560 00:37:18,654 --> 00:37:20,823 Congressman Ryan is sitting down 561 00:37:20,907 --> 00:37:23,367 and you can see blood on the congressman's shirt. 562 00:37:24,327 --> 00:37:26,412 He was obviously shaken up. 563 00:37:26,496 --> 00:37:28,039 Somebody just tried to kill him. 564 00:37:29,332 --> 00:37:35,004 Personally, what I felt was, "My God, the leader is a murderer. 565 00:37:35,087 --> 00:37:39,175 I've been playing peace and love and he's a murderer." 566 00:37:40,676 --> 00:37:42,136 I felt completely naive. 567 00:37:45,181 --> 00:37:47,642 By this time, Jones is sitting there. 568 00:37:48,684 --> 00:37:50,520 And he's like this and he starts... 569 00:37:54,023 --> 00:37:56,442 "I've never felt Jonestown so peaceful." 570 00:37:58,945 --> 00:38:02,198 And I got chills all over my body. 571 00:38:02,281 --> 00:38:08,037 'Cause Jonestown had never been more in pain or more agony. 572 00:38:09,872 --> 00:38:11,207 It felt, literally, to me 573 00:38:11,290 --> 00:38:14,460 like Jonestown was disintegrating in front of my eyes. 574 00:38:22,426 --> 00:38:25,429 Out walks Congressman Ryan... 575 00:38:26,180 --> 00:38:28,850 and he's got blood stains on his shirt. 576 00:38:29,517 --> 00:38:31,143 He gets into the cab of the truck 577 00:38:31,227 --> 00:38:34,605 and the truck takes off for the airstrip. 578 00:38:38,317 --> 00:38:40,987 I thought, "My gosh, we are so lucky. 579 00:38:41,821 --> 00:38:43,573 I mean, we've just dodged a bullet." 580 00:38:45,783 --> 00:38:49,370 There was an attempt on Ryan's life, we've got these defectors, 581 00:38:49,453 --> 00:38:53,374 I'm still unsure about why Larry Layton's on this truck, 582 00:38:53,457 --> 00:38:56,460 but we'll sort it out when we get to the airstrip. 583 00:38:59,589 --> 00:39:03,968 For myself, the feeling on that truck was terror, foreboding. 584 00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:09,307 I don't think there was a lot of talking going on. 585 00:39:16,606 --> 00:39:18,900 It's six miles to Port Kaituma. 586 00:39:18,983 --> 00:39:20,735 The roads are narrow. The roads are muddy. 587 00:39:20,818 --> 00:39:22,695 It's gonna take a little while to get there. 588 00:39:24,196 --> 00:39:27,533 They're gone maybe 10 minutes when a tractor... 589 00:39:28,993 --> 00:39:30,703 pulls out of Jonestown after them, 590 00:39:30,786 --> 00:39:35,374 and there's a number of men on it, six, seven, eight, all armed. 591 00:39:36,083 --> 00:39:37,585 And they disappear too. 592 00:39:40,755 --> 00:39:43,132 At this point in time in the pavilion, 593 00:39:43,215 --> 00:39:45,718 I'm kind of afraid 'cause I helped save the congressman's life. 594 00:39:45,801 --> 00:39:49,597 So I started kind of easing my way out of the pavilion. 595 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,142 I walked back to the cottages, 596 00:39:53,225 --> 00:39:56,979 and I felt, literally, like there was a target on my back. 597 00:39:57,063 --> 00:40:00,316 It felt like I had a sniper's scope on my back. 598 00:40:05,529 --> 00:40:06,864 This was so hard. 599 00:40:08,366 --> 00:40:11,285 I get back to the cottages and Gloria's there with Malcolm. 600 00:40:12,244 --> 00:40:14,455 And she was laying down on the bed. 601 00:40:14,538 --> 00:40:17,750 And Malcolm was playing on the floor with his toys. 602 00:40:17,833 --> 00:40:20,211 And I said, "Do you know what's happening up there?" 603 00:40:20,294 --> 00:40:21,754 And she shook her head, "Yes," 604 00:40:21,837 --> 00:40:24,465 and we just started holding each other... 605 00:40:26,258 --> 00:40:28,386 and I said, "I'm afraid we're all gonna die." 606 00:40:36,227 --> 00:40:37,561 At Port Kaituma... 607 00:40:38,604 --> 00:40:41,023 Ryan, because there's so many people coming, 608 00:40:41,107 --> 00:40:43,818 has called ahead asking that an extra plane come, 609 00:40:43,901 --> 00:40:46,237 that there would be two planes instead of one. 610 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,997 They're still sorting that out 611 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,333 when Leo Ryan is going to go ahead and give an interview 612 00:40:59,417 --> 00:41:02,003 to the TV crew on the tarmac. 613 00:41:02,086 --> 00:41:04,547 -Did he say anything when he came up? -Yeah. 614 00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:09,010 He said something about, rob and choke and kill and or knife. 615 00:41:09,093 --> 00:41:12,888 I don't know. But what he said was, he intended to kill me. 616 00:41:15,182 --> 00:41:18,019 Congressman Ryan is talking to some members of the press. 617 00:41:18,102 --> 00:41:21,605 I start to board passengers onto planes. 618 00:41:21,689 --> 00:41:24,233 And I'm boarding the smaller plane first. 619 00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:28,779 Myself and Larry Layton were assigned to the small plane. 620 00:41:30,489 --> 00:41:32,950 Congressman Ryan, at this point, has come over, 621 00:41:33,034 --> 00:41:35,453 and I says, "You know, I don't trust Larry Layton. 622 00:41:37,204 --> 00:41:38,914 I don't want to be on the same plane." 623 00:41:39,915 --> 00:41:41,876 One of the press people is there 624 00:41:41,959 --> 00:41:46,422 and I said, "Would you just frisk him?" He frisks him. 625 00:41:47,298 --> 00:41:48,716 Doesn't find the gun. 626 00:41:50,176 --> 00:41:53,554 All of a sudden, in comes the tractor from Jonestown. 627 00:41:57,016 --> 00:42:01,187 They're starting to think, "there's trouble." 628 00:42:02,271 --> 00:42:05,566 Get on the plane! Get on the plane! 629 00:42:06,901 --> 00:42:09,028 And all of a sudden, there was this noise. 630 00:42:11,697 --> 00:42:14,700 I looked out the window and said, "They're killing everybody. 631 00:42:15,826 --> 00:42:17,203 They're killing everybody." 632 00:42:31,467 --> 00:42:34,595 Subtitles: Plint www.plint.com 53904

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