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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:20,821 --> 00:02:25,586 Cave diving is often referred to as the world's most dangerous sport. 2 00:02:26,747 --> 00:02:28,308 But is it a sport? 3 00:02:41,321 --> 00:02:45,325 It's the closest thing I can think of to going to another planet. 4 00:02:52,412 --> 00:02:59,580 It's this interesting yin-yang of light and dark, of beauty and danger. 5 00:03:12,873 --> 00:03:16,757 Cave diving is like swimming in the veins of Mother Earth. 6 00:03:16,837 --> 00:03:21,161 I'm literally swimming through water-filled passages 7 00:03:21,241 --> 00:03:22,603 beneath your feet. 8 00:03:22,683 --> 00:03:26,166 And these caves are like museums of natural history. 9 00:03:30,450 --> 00:03:33,734 We can learn about where our drinking water is 10 00:03:33,814 --> 00:03:36,737 and how we can protect it for the next generation. 11 00:03:39,139 --> 00:03:42,422 We can learn about Earth's past climate. 12 00:03:46,226 --> 00:03:50,991 We can learn about ancient civilizations that have left artifacts. 13 00:03:57,157 --> 00:03:59,680 We can learn about the unique animals 14 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,603 that live in the darkness of an underwater cave. 15 00:04:14,134 --> 00:04:16,136 When you're exploring a cave, 16 00:04:16,216 --> 00:04:20,020 you must solve all of your problems underground, 17 00:04:20,100 --> 00:04:24,505 underwater, with no mission control to call for help. 18 00:04:29,469 --> 00:04:31,912 There are a lot of physical risks. 19 00:04:32,993 --> 00:04:35,756 The silt can rain down from the ceiling. 20 00:04:36,957 --> 00:04:39,399 It's also easy to get lost. 21 00:04:40,921 --> 00:04:42,643 You can also get trapped. 22 00:04:45,365 --> 00:04:48,368 Anything can go wrong at any time with your gear. 23 00:04:50,410 --> 00:04:54,214 It's critical to know when to turn around. 24 00:04:57,217 --> 00:05:00,541 I know a lot of people that didn't do that. 25 00:05:03,664 --> 00:05:08,308 I swim through the graves of my friends all the time. 26 00:05:09,830 --> 00:05:14,915 I've lost over a hundred friends to technical and cave diving accidents. 27 00:05:19,479 --> 00:05:23,083 You really ask yourself, is this something I should be doing? 28 00:05:23,564 --> 00:05:25,445 Is this fair to my family? 29 00:05:26,086 --> 00:05:28,248 Do I wanna take these risks? 30 00:05:49,269 --> 00:05:51,952 But in those dark, confined spaces, 31 00:05:52,753 --> 00:05:55,956 I'm happy, I'm comfortable, I'm in my element. 32 00:05:56,036 --> 00:05:58,398 But I am scared. 33 00:05:58,478 --> 00:06:00,160 I'm not fearless. 34 00:06:07,728 --> 00:06:10,891 The day that I'm not afraid about what I'm doing 35 00:06:11,532 --> 00:06:13,974 is the day that I should hang up my fins. 36 00:06:20,741 --> 00:06:23,183 I'm not in this for adrenaline. 37 00:06:25,786 --> 00:06:29,910 I've learned so much about the plumbing of the planet, 38 00:06:29,990 --> 00:06:33,914 but also about myself through cave diving. 39 00:06:41,321 --> 00:06:45,606 I think cave diving is a metaphor for life. 40 00:06:47,447 --> 00:06:50,931 We all have to face change and uncertainty. 41 00:06:54,615 --> 00:06:59,299 Humanity needs people that push on the edges and step into the darkness. 42 00:07:00,701 --> 00:07:02,863 That's how we evolve. 43 00:07:09,069 --> 00:07:13,313 Jill's been diving at the cutting edge of cave exploration for so long. 44 00:07:13,393 --> 00:07:20,000 You know, she's had this stellar career of filmmaking, exploration, and adventures 45 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,362 with all the big names around this planet. 46 00:07:22,442 --> 00:07:25,606 Jill literally wrote the book on cave diving. 47 00:07:25,686 --> 00:07:29,570 She makes documentaries, she's an excellent photographer. 48 00:07:29,650 --> 00:07:32,813 She's an author, she's a public speaker. 49 00:07:32,893 --> 00:07:36,456 I think by 2001, she was probably... 50 00:07:37,457 --> 00:07:39,740 the world's best female diver, period. 51 00:07:39,820 --> 00:07:42,783 Forget "cave diver." I'm just talking about "underwater explorer." 52 00:07:42,863 --> 00:07:46,026 She's there because of the excitement of exploration, 53 00:07:46,106 --> 00:07:48,228 the satisfaction of curiosity. 54 00:07:48,308 --> 00:07:49,950 Jill always... 55 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:53,433 I guess she needed to see what was around the next corner. 56 00:07:53,514 --> 00:07:56,116 She was always very curious. 57 00:07:56,196 --> 00:08:00,601 I could easily say that she was an explorer from the beginning, 58 00:08:00,681 --> 00:08:02,843 and same as she is now. 59 00:08:19,299 --> 00:08:23,584 Our parents always took us out on hikes. 60 00:08:24,464 --> 00:08:27,307 The Bruce Trail was a big thing that we enjoyed. 61 00:08:28,789 --> 00:08:32,152 I loved hiking the trails, but even more, 62 00:08:32,232 --> 00:08:35,596 I loved climbing down into those cracks and crevices 63 00:08:35,676 --> 00:08:36,517 and looking around 64 00:08:36,597 --> 00:08:40,561 in this three-dimensional, below-ground space. 65 00:08:40,641 --> 00:08:43,123 Those were my first experiences in caving, 66 00:08:43,203 --> 00:08:48,408 and often those were cozy, comfortable, small places. 67 00:08:53,213 --> 00:08:56,537 We had a set of National Geographics 68 00:08:56,617 --> 00:09:00,460 that were gifted from my grandmother and grandfather. 69 00:09:08,468 --> 00:09:10,511 From the light of a bare bulb, 70 00:09:10,591 --> 00:09:14,194 I would go through these volumes, page by page. 71 00:09:21,802 --> 00:09:27,808 Those pages showed me what was possible for me in the future 72 00:09:27,888 --> 00:09:30,450 and inspired me to study and learn 73 00:09:30,531 --> 00:09:35,055 and create a future where I could be an explorer, too. 74 00:10:09,129 --> 00:10:10,851 Launch commit. Lift off. 75 00:10:10,931 --> 00:10:13,654 We have lift off with Apollo 14. 76 00:10:13,734 --> 00:10:18,298 You know, back in the day, astronauts were heroes, 77 00:10:18,378 --> 00:10:21,662 pushing the envelope of human physiology. 78 00:10:23,904 --> 00:10:28,869 Just the scale, the magnitude, all that technology. 79 00:10:43,644 --> 00:10:48,168 It was like you were looking through this peephole in history, 80 00:10:48,248 --> 00:10:51,131 seeing something so incredible. 81 00:10:52,092 --> 00:10:57,257 I knew I had a burning desire to be an explorer. 82 00:10:57,337 --> 00:10:59,059 I was so excited and thrilled. 83 00:10:59,139 --> 00:11:02,462 I ran home and couldn't wait to tell my mom about the experience, 84 00:11:02,543 --> 00:11:04,505 the thing that I had just seen. 85 00:11:05,065 --> 00:11:09,069 You know, "Mom, I wanna be an astronaut. I'm gonna be an astronaut." 86 00:11:09,149 --> 00:11:11,752 And then when she told me no, it was like, 87 00:11:12,513 --> 00:11:17,798 "Oh, like, am I not good enough? Am I not capable? Like, what is it?" 88 00:11:17,878 --> 00:11:21,121 She's like, "No, there's no space program for Canadians. 89 00:11:21,201 --> 00:11:22,683 There's no women astronauts. 90 00:11:22,763 --> 00:11:25,966 It's, like, there's no place for you there." 91 00:11:26,687 --> 00:11:28,849 And it was discouraging. 92 00:11:28,929 --> 00:11:34,775 I thought, "Well, what can I do? How can I be an explorer?" 93 00:11:43,824 --> 00:11:48,589 Watching and seeing Jacques Cousteau on TV was that pivot point, really. 94 00:11:54,074 --> 00:11:58,238 Here he was sailing around the world to fantastic places 95 00:11:59,119 --> 00:12:03,363 and then going underwater with this wild-looking technology. 96 00:12:04,164 --> 00:12:06,006 Breathing underwater, 97 00:12:06,086 --> 00:12:10,210 and then encountering, like, sharks and fish and whales. 98 00:12:15,816 --> 00:12:17,858 And that captivated me. 99 00:12:17,938 --> 00:12:20,941 And I thought, "If I can't explore outer space, 100 00:12:21,021 --> 00:12:23,263 if I can't be an astronaut, 101 00:12:23,343 --> 00:12:25,666 maybe I can explore inner space 102 00:12:25,746 --> 00:12:29,269 and the magical depths of the ocean instead." 103 00:12:37,958 --> 00:12:45,165 My first real cave diving expedition was the Huautla expedition in 1995. 104 00:13:09,910 --> 00:13:13,914 Huautla is situated in the Sierra Mazateca Mountains, 105 00:13:13,994 --> 00:13:17,477 and there's a cave system inside the mountain. 106 00:13:21,001 --> 00:13:24,204 So if you peel away the face of that mountain 107 00:13:24,284 --> 00:13:25,365 and you look inside, 108 00:13:25,445 --> 00:13:29,770 you've got, like, this whole network of tunnels and spaces. 109 00:13:29,850 --> 00:13:32,773 And if you enter a hole in the top of the mountain, 110 00:13:32,853 --> 00:13:34,935 you might be descending down on rope 111 00:13:35,015 --> 00:13:39,660 or climbing down a waterfall deeper and deeper into the earth. 112 00:13:39,740 --> 00:13:41,622 And the year before we got there, 113 00:13:41,702 --> 00:13:45,465 that's how the explorers were getting into the system. 114 00:13:45,546 --> 00:13:49,550 So when I went in 1995 with that very same team, 115 00:13:49,630 --> 00:13:51,912 we decided to work from the bottom up. 116 00:13:51,992 --> 00:13:55,876 We were seeing the pieces of this puzzle come together, 117 00:13:55,956 --> 00:13:59,520 and one of the biggest unknowns was this resurgence. 118 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,402 If we could dive in through that, 119 00:14:03,043 --> 00:14:05,485 come up into air-filled passage, 120 00:14:06,847 --> 00:14:09,690 maybe we could just connect those two together, 121 00:14:09,770 --> 00:14:13,053 and at that time we would have ended up with roughly the world's deepest cave. 122 00:14:21,622 --> 00:14:25,706 The expedition got harder and harder in a series of stages. 123 00:14:25,786 --> 00:14:28,709 I mean, just getting there was tough in the car, 124 00:14:28,789 --> 00:14:32,713 and we were exhausted after four days of driving and car repairs 125 00:14:32,793 --> 00:14:34,595 and getting up into the mountains 126 00:14:34,675 --> 00:14:39,760 to an altitude where the car could barely drive up the incline. 127 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,923 And it was hot, and there were bugs, 128 00:14:43,003 --> 00:14:44,725 and the winds were so strong 129 00:14:44,805 --> 00:14:48,649 that they would blow away your tents if you weren't in them. 130 00:14:48,729 --> 00:14:51,612 But then we experienced mudslides. 131 00:14:53,053 --> 00:14:54,735 The rainy season came a bit early. 132 00:14:54,815 --> 00:14:58,859 That shallow streamway between base camp and the cave opening 133 00:14:58,939 --> 00:15:02,543 would periodically be just filled with this rush, 134 00:15:02,623 --> 00:15:05,345 a tsunami of water down the canyon. 135 00:15:08,388 --> 00:15:13,554 It felt like the physical hardships were, at times, just too much to bear, 136 00:15:13,634 --> 00:15:18,478 and that was even before we went into the cave to go diving or surveying. 137 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,964 We didn't have enough burros and people to carry everything we needed, 138 00:15:24,044 --> 00:15:26,567 so the first and easiest choice was, 139 00:15:26,647 --> 00:15:29,369 "Leave Jill's diving gear on top of the mountain. 140 00:15:29,449 --> 00:15:30,691 She's not gonna use it. 141 00:15:31,532 --> 00:15:34,735 She's gonna have to do other things during the project." 142 00:15:34,815 --> 00:15:39,299 So Paul and Noel ended up doing all of the exploration diving. 143 00:15:39,379 --> 00:15:41,662 I got involved in supporting the base camp 144 00:15:41,742 --> 00:15:44,905 and surveying dry cave, and doing other things. 145 00:15:45,465 --> 00:15:51,552 But as the dives progressed and we reached some real physical hurdles, 146 00:15:52,392 --> 00:15:55,315 Noel got to the point where he said, 147 00:15:55,395 --> 00:16:00,641 "I've done everything that I can do, and I've reached my psychological limit." 148 00:16:02,883 --> 00:16:06,647 Noel was an experienced cave diver, cave explorer, and a physician. 149 00:16:06,727 --> 00:16:08,689 He was our expedition doctor. 150 00:16:08,769 --> 00:16:13,213 And at that point, either Paul could dive solo, 151 00:16:13,293 --> 00:16:16,937 or there would be no more diving, and we'd just dry cave explore, 152 00:16:17,017 --> 00:16:23,423 or, in that split second, I had a chance to say, "I wanna do it." 153 00:16:23,504 --> 00:16:25,025 And that's what I did. 154 00:16:25,105 --> 00:16:27,748 I said, "Hey, I could fit Noel's gear. 155 00:16:27,828 --> 00:16:31,231 We don't even have to go get my dive gear. I can wear Noel's diving gear. 156 00:16:31,311 --> 00:16:34,595 I'd like to have an opportunity to explore this cave." 157 00:16:35,395 --> 00:16:39,760 And I remember Bill's look like, "Really? 158 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,685 What makes you think that you've got the chops to pull off this dive 159 00:16:44,765 --> 00:16:49,329 when Noel says it's too much and he feels it's not safe to go on? 160 00:16:49,409 --> 00:16:53,173 Why are you convinced that you're not gonna die in there, 161 00:16:53,253 --> 00:16:56,376 and I'm gonna have to carry your body out of this canyon back up 162 00:16:56,456 --> 00:16:59,379 and explain to your family what happened?" 163 00:16:59,459 --> 00:17:02,943 Because just a year earlier in the very same spot, 164 00:17:03,023 --> 00:17:05,105 one of their teammates had died. 165 00:17:05,185 --> 00:17:09,990 And it was a friend, a dear friend, 166 00:17:10,551 --> 00:17:17,277 and they had to carry his body, something that took 12 days. 167 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:27,127 That pall hung over that expedition, and it informed everything that we did. 168 00:17:28,168 --> 00:17:32,252 And I thought, "Whoa, that didn't take long." 169 00:17:32,332 --> 00:17:34,975 This is business. 170 00:17:35,055 --> 00:17:36,617 This is really serious. 171 00:17:36,697 --> 00:17:40,460 This is not just some fun lark on a travel destination. 172 00:17:40,541 --> 00:17:42,182 This is life and death. 173 00:17:43,463 --> 00:17:46,426 What I wasn't sure of when that conversation happened 174 00:17:46,507 --> 00:17:49,469 was the level of her discipline, you know? 175 00:17:49,950 --> 00:17:54,555 Was she the one that was gonna get to 68 meters depth and panic, 176 00:17:54,635 --> 00:17:57,117 you know, and take Paul down with her? 177 00:17:57,197 --> 00:18:00,280 This is not some Boy Scout badge 178 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:04,925 that you put on your arm and use to be some status symbol, you know? 179 00:18:05,005 --> 00:18:07,407 This is deadly shit. 180 00:18:07,487 --> 00:18:10,250 You go in there, and there is a finite chance 181 00:18:10,330 --> 00:18:14,615 that you are going to die if you don't do things just right. 182 00:18:15,576 --> 00:18:20,621 If you have somebody who's just gung ho without considering the consequences, 183 00:18:20,701 --> 00:18:22,182 that was what I was looking for. 184 00:18:22,262 --> 00:18:24,064 Was this somebody who's just, 185 00:18:24,144 --> 00:18:26,466 "I wanna make a name for myself by getting in here 186 00:18:26,547 --> 00:18:29,790 and pushing this to some spectacular limit"? 187 00:18:29,870 --> 00:18:31,552 Or is it somebody who says, 188 00:18:31,632 --> 00:18:33,433 "You know what, the goal here is to get data 189 00:18:33,514 --> 00:18:35,075 and not get anybody hurt"? 190 00:18:35,636 --> 00:18:40,120 And by the time the sun came up, Bill said, "I'll support you. 191 00:18:40,801 --> 00:18:42,162 I'll help carry your gear. 192 00:18:42,242 --> 00:18:45,806 I'll get you there and do whatever you need to do. 193 00:18:45,886 --> 00:18:48,008 I'm willing to give you a chance." 194 00:18:48,088 --> 00:18:49,650 And that changed my life. 195 00:18:59,660 --> 00:19:03,544 On the biggest dive, we needed everybody's help. 196 00:19:05,185 --> 00:19:06,587 The river was swollen 197 00:19:06,667 --> 00:19:08,949 between the base camp and the opening of the cave, 198 00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:10,390 and it was very dangerous, 199 00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:16,076 even to transport all the gear, the tanks and everything to begin the dive. 200 00:19:17,077 --> 00:19:19,479 And then as Paul and I got ourselves prepared, 201 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,602 got all our tanks organized, 202 00:19:22,883 --> 00:19:27,928 the moment that it was time to go, the water started to rise. 203 00:19:28,008 --> 00:19:30,330 Dirty water started to flood into the cave, 204 00:19:30,410 --> 00:19:33,133 and the current turned to reverse. 205 00:19:33,213 --> 00:19:39,019 We had a split second to make a decision to go or no go. 206 00:19:39,099 --> 00:19:42,583 And I looked at Paul, and he said, "Dive, dive, dive," 207 00:19:42,663 --> 00:19:44,665 and disappeared under the surface. 208 00:19:44,745 --> 00:19:48,348 In that moment, I remember thinking to myself, 209 00:19:48,428 --> 00:19:50,511 "Are you an explorer or not?" 210 00:19:51,391 --> 00:19:52,593 And I went for it. 211 00:19:54,995 --> 00:19:56,396 And I dove underwater, 212 00:19:56,476 --> 00:20:00,921 racing against that flowing current of dirty water 213 00:20:01,001 --> 00:20:03,363 that was running into the cave system, 214 00:20:03,443 --> 00:20:06,406 and swam as fast as I could to keep up to Paul. 215 00:20:06,486 --> 00:20:10,250 It's like the die was cast, and I was on autopilot. 216 00:20:10,330 --> 00:20:12,212 It was happening. 217 00:20:35,916 --> 00:20:38,078 So we surface in this pool 218 00:20:38,158 --> 00:20:41,562 with a waterfall cascading down on top of us. 219 00:20:45,445 --> 00:20:48,288 But at this point, in order to continue on, 220 00:20:48,368 --> 00:20:53,373 we needed to climb up over the waterfall, get our gear up there, and continue. 221 00:20:58,178 --> 00:21:01,622 I mean, it's as close to, you know, Jules Verne as you're gonna get. 222 00:21:03,143 --> 00:21:07,027 The rest of the world disappears, and you are an explorer. 223 00:21:09,910 --> 00:21:14,474 Once we'd gone through that whole ordeal and gotten into that upper pool 224 00:21:14,555 --> 00:21:16,957 and continued into the water that was clear... 225 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,764 I thought, "Okay, this is it. 226 00:21:24,605 --> 00:21:30,731 This is the edge of the unknown. I am touching the void and going forward." 227 00:21:30,811 --> 00:21:32,933 My heart is racing. 228 00:21:34,735 --> 00:21:37,337 There's no map, so you're gonna make it. 229 00:22:05,726 --> 00:22:09,970 When I look back on that dive into the deep passages, 230 00:22:10,651 --> 00:22:14,294 we ended up too deep for the traditional breathing gases. 231 00:22:15,015 --> 00:22:20,180 The sounds in my mind were, "Ooh, turn around, turn around." 232 00:22:20,260 --> 00:22:21,742 It was that distance pressure. 233 00:22:21,822 --> 00:22:23,343 "Whoa, we're a long way from home." 234 00:22:23,904 --> 00:22:28,749 And when those nerves start to creep in, it's really time to go. 235 00:22:31,311 --> 00:22:32,472 You have to be willing 236 00:22:32,553 --> 00:22:36,156 to get within a hair's breadth of complete success, 237 00:22:36,236 --> 00:22:39,079 but also know when to turn around. 238 00:23:08,268 --> 00:23:11,952 When I got out of the dive and I reached the surface, 239 00:23:12,032 --> 00:23:16,997 the first thing that I saw was Bill Stone crouched by the side of the water, 240 00:23:17,077 --> 00:23:22,082 like a mother hen, and he looked down, he's like, "Oh, thank God." 241 00:23:22,883 --> 00:23:26,286 We have three rules on any expedition that I organize. 242 00:23:26,366 --> 00:23:28,368 One is that nobody gets hurt. 243 00:23:28,448 --> 00:23:30,891 Second one is everybody has a memorable time. 244 00:23:30,971 --> 00:23:33,013 And the third one is you come home with new data, 245 00:23:33,093 --> 00:23:35,656 as much as you can get safely, right? 246 00:23:35,736 --> 00:23:38,178 And so if you take all three of those, we hit them all. 247 00:23:38,258 --> 00:23:43,504 What they stopped at, at 600 meters in and 68 meters deep, 248 00:23:43,584 --> 00:23:48,709 was a gigantic underwater tunnel carrying this subterranean river. 249 00:23:50,150 --> 00:23:52,112 So that remains an open question, 250 00:23:52,192 --> 00:23:55,756 and nobody has been back to continue that work. 251 00:23:55,836 --> 00:23:57,437 So it's still out there. 252 00:24:02,883 --> 00:24:07,287 When I first met Jill, I thought that she had skills. 253 00:24:07,367 --> 00:24:10,250 They were undemonstrated to me. 254 00:24:10,330 --> 00:24:14,735 So it was somewhat of a gamble taking her on that trip. 255 00:24:14,815 --> 00:24:21,902 And, you know, the end result is she kicked ass and did a great job, 256 00:24:21,982 --> 00:24:26,627 and was good at focusing on getting the information that we needed, 257 00:24:26,707 --> 00:24:28,509 the data that had to come out of there 258 00:24:28,589 --> 00:24:31,231 so that we could think about, "All right, how do we plan a return?" 259 00:24:31,311 --> 00:24:35,355 So to me that showed that she had, you know, the right stuff, you know, 260 00:24:35,435 --> 00:24:37,998 the astronaut quality that we seek 261 00:24:38,078 --> 00:24:40,641 when we're talking about people doing this kind of stuff. 262 00:24:48,689 --> 00:24:53,373 Working with Bill Stone in 1995 gave me an opportunity to explore 263 00:24:53,453 --> 00:24:57,778 what we thought could be the world's deepest vertical cave system. 264 00:24:57,858 --> 00:25:01,502 So in 1996, I turned my attention 265 00:25:01,582 --> 00:25:06,627 to what we thought would be the longest cave system in the world. 266 00:25:23,363 --> 00:25:25,766 Jill's forte has always been as a coordinator, 267 00:25:25,846 --> 00:25:28,048 getting the right people in the right places. 268 00:25:28,128 --> 00:25:29,570 She played a big part in that, 269 00:25:29,650 --> 00:25:32,533 as well as going out there and making discoveries on her own. 270 00:25:32,613 --> 00:25:35,255 She wanted to be more involved in cave diving. 271 00:25:35,335 --> 00:25:37,177 She wanted to be more involved in discovery. 272 00:25:38,058 --> 00:25:39,580 She knew what her future was gonna be. 273 00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:42,182 There wasn't anything gonna stop her from getting there. 274 00:25:47,788 --> 00:25:49,429 It was very affirming 275 00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:54,314 to finally push the envelope and be leading instead of following. 276 00:25:58,238 --> 00:26:00,841 I began to recognize 277 00:26:00,921 --> 00:26:05,686 how important my viewpoint from inside the plumbing of the planet 278 00:26:05,766 --> 00:26:07,728 could be to the rest of humanity. 279 00:26:09,009 --> 00:26:13,253 I can see the influences of what we're doing on the surface of the Earth. 280 00:26:13,894 --> 00:26:15,536 We're in the middle of Mexico 281 00:26:15,616 --> 00:26:19,499 in an area where people are having trouble finding clean water to drink, 282 00:26:19,580 --> 00:26:24,024 and yet they're living on top of a prolific water source 283 00:26:24,104 --> 00:26:26,707 that if they just knew exactly how to access it, 284 00:26:26,787 --> 00:26:29,029 it could change their lives. 285 00:26:31,191 --> 00:26:35,636 If I can help people not just understand where their water is, 286 00:26:35,716 --> 00:26:38,999 but how they are affecting it, 287 00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:42,763 then maybe we have a chance at solving some of these issues 288 00:26:42,843 --> 00:26:45,846 like water scarcity and global climate change. 289 00:26:52,573 --> 00:26:55,295 By the time we wrapped the expedition, 290 00:26:55,375 --> 00:26:58,258 we pulled together all the maps and discovered 291 00:26:58,338 --> 00:27:03,263 that we had mapped 56 kilometers of new passageways 292 00:27:03,343 --> 00:27:07,588 and found the world's longest cave system. 293 00:27:12,032 --> 00:27:16,396 That was incredible to me. I was on cloud nine. 294 00:27:17,518 --> 00:27:21,602 And it was like the possibilities were now open to me. 295 00:27:26,166 --> 00:27:30,050 We started to think about how to make a better map. 296 00:27:31,732 --> 00:27:36,657 And that's when Bill Stone proposed our next great challenge. 297 00:27:36,737 --> 00:27:40,861 He wanted to bring together an international expedition 298 00:27:40,941 --> 00:27:45,666 and make the world's first accurate three-dimensional map 299 00:27:45,746 --> 00:27:49,870 of any subterranean space, dry or wet. 300 00:27:49,950 --> 00:27:53,233 And it seemed like a bit of a crazy proposal at first, 301 00:27:53,313 --> 00:27:56,396 but I thought, "I am in." 302 00:27:57,077 --> 00:27:58,679 So from that point forward, 303 00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:02,202 we started putting all of our efforts into planning for this project 304 00:28:02,282 --> 00:28:04,444 called the Wakulla 2 Project. 305 00:28:17,698 --> 00:28:22,022 If you had asked any respectable exploring cave diver 306 00:28:22,102 --> 00:28:24,304 in the United States in those days 307 00:28:24,384 --> 00:28:28,028 about what would be the greatest spring 308 00:28:28,108 --> 00:28:30,110 and the greatest challenge in cave diving, 309 00:28:30,190 --> 00:28:32,833 they would've instantly said Wakulla Springs. 310 00:28:34,154 --> 00:28:37,998 Everybody knew it. It was just gigantic, in those days, air clear. 311 00:28:39,159 --> 00:28:43,403 The sand funnel alone coming in from this 100-meter diameter basin 312 00:28:43,483 --> 00:28:47,848 was pristine white sand kept clean by this aquifer. 313 00:28:48,689 --> 00:28:50,531 It was like going to another planet. 314 00:28:53,774 --> 00:28:57,497 Wakulla Springs is very deep, and it gets deep fast. 315 00:28:58,298 --> 00:29:02,022 So the first thing you do is you get down to that maximum depth, 316 00:29:02,102 --> 00:29:06,066 and that's about as high as the Statue of Liberty, 90 meters. 317 00:29:06,146 --> 00:29:08,829 But then we're going in this overhead environment 318 00:29:08,909 --> 00:29:10,110 where you cannot come up. 319 00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:11,592 There's no way out. 320 00:29:11,672 --> 00:29:14,194 You're going in over three kilometers. 321 00:29:14,274 --> 00:29:16,517 But even when you're out to the doorway of the cave, 322 00:29:16,597 --> 00:29:19,640 you've still got 17 hours of decompression ahead of you 323 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,603 before you're back safely on the surface. 324 00:29:24,605 --> 00:29:30,531 It would take thousands of scuba tanks to do the dives that we did at Wakulla. 325 00:29:31,451 --> 00:29:35,055 We need a completely different technology called a rebreather. 326 00:29:37,658 --> 00:29:42,262 A rebreather is a self-contained diving backpack 327 00:29:42,342 --> 00:29:45,546 that recycles your exhaled breath. 328 00:29:45,626 --> 00:29:49,550 It pulls out the carbon dioxide that you create, it adds oxygen, 329 00:29:49,630 --> 00:29:53,834 and allows you to just keep recycling quietly for a very long time. 330 00:29:53,914 --> 00:29:59,720 You can end up with between 100 and 200 times the efficiency 331 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,884 in terms of your dive capability over the old traditional scuba. 332 00:30:05,245 --> 00:30:06,727 Basically, you're asking a diver 333 00:30:06,807 --> 00:30:09,369 to manipulate their life support environment. 334 00:30:09,449 --> 00:30:10,330 And that could be 335 00:30:10,410 --> 00:30:13,413 one of the most dangerous things they've ever done. 336 00:30:13,493 --> 00:30:15,736 Too much oxygen, and you can have a seizure. 337 00:30:15,816 --> 00:30:18,218 Too little oxygen, and you can pass out. 338 00:30:18,298 --> 00:30:21,381 The wrong gas choices can cost you your life. 339 00:30:21,461 --> 00:30:23,423 And there's a lot that can go wrong 340 00:30:23,504 --> 00:30:25,986 with a complex piece of electronic equipment 341 00:30:26,066 --> 00:30:27,908 when you submerge it underwater. 342 00:30:29,389 --> 00:30:32,072 But I was so excited by this new technology 343 00:30:32,152 --> 00:30:35,756 and what it could enable me to do as an explorer. 344 00:30:36,436 --> 00:30:40,480 I could go further or deeper than I'd ever been before. 345 00:30:40,561 --> 00:30:43,363 And that's the beauty of that gear. 346 00:30:45,646 --> 00:30:49,409 The most important part of the Wakulla project to me 347 00:30:49,489 --> 00:30:52,853 was the fact that the perception of cave divers 348 00:30:52,933 --> 00:30:55,776 was changing because of this project. 349 00:30:55,856 --> 00:30:57,578 For the first time in history, 350 00:30:57,658 --> 00:31:01,301 we could show people exactly where water lay beneath their feet, 351 00:31:01,381 --> 00:31:06,226 and how they could be affecting the health of that water supply beneath their feet. 352 00:31:08,509 --> 00:31:12,993 Cave divers were now respected as valued citizen scientists. 353 00:31:16,476 --> 00:31:20,601 One of the things that we did at Wakulla was we were trying to condense 354 00:31:20,681 --> 00:31:24,324 what other teams had done over 10 years into a three-month period 355 00:31:24,404 --> 00:31:27,247 with an international group who hadn't dived together before. 356 00:31:27,327 --> 00:31:29,369 So that's a huge undertaking. 357 00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:33,493 And so trying to get people to jell as a team 358 00:31:33,574 --> 00:31:37,978 who have completely different disciplines because of the environments they dive in, 359 00:31:38,058 --> 00:31:40,741 that's a really tough, tough thing to do. 360 00:31:40,821 --> 00:31:45,506 People didn't just go into the cave with all that gear. 361 00:31:46,066 --> 00:31:50,831 This massive support team of 160 people would line up behind two people, 362 00:31:50,911 --> 00:31:54,114 and those guys, they were astronauts as far as I'm concerned. 363 00:31:54,194 --> 00:31:56,116 You know, when you saw the kit-up procedure, 364 00:31:56,196 --> 00:31:58,198 there were two people per person 365 00:31:58,278 --> 00:32:01,121 helping these people get all their gear on because you can't do it yourself. 366 00:32:01,201 --> 00:32:02,322 It's just too much stuff. 367 00:32:03,924 --> 00:32:06,607 I looked like a giant rebreather with two little legs sticking out. 368 00:32:06,687 --> 00:32:08,529 You can't even see my head behind it. 369 00:32:08,609 --> 00:32:10,170 Uh, it was not fun to dive. 370 00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:13,974 It's serious back aches, things like that. 371 00:32:14,054 --> 00:32:16,376 And we didn't have the timeline to get it dialed in 372 00:32:16,456 --> 00:32:18,018 as well as we could have. 373 00:32:38,679 --> 00:32:41,962 To me, the entire project felt like a moonshot. 374 00:32:42,883 --> 00:32:45,085 Everything about that project, 375 00:32:45,165 --> 00:32:46,967 from the life support to the mapping device 376 00:32:47,047 --> 00:32:48,929 to the way that we handled the decompression, 377 00:32:49,009 --> 00:32:52,372 was all sort of borrowed from concepts in space. 378 00:32:53,253 --> 00:32:57,457 In fact, at one point, Bill even reached out to NASA astronauts, 379 00:32:57,538 --> 00:32:59,259 and their remark was, 380 00:32:59,339 --> 00:33:04,585 "What you guys do is way more dangerous than what we ever did as astronauts 381 00:33:04,665 --> 00:33:06,386 because we had mission control. 382 00:33:06,947 --> 00:33:11,512 You leave that entrance of the cave and you go inside, and you're on your own. 383 00:33:11,592 --> 00:33:12,833 That's way harder." 384 00:33:22,963 --> 00:33:27,287 When we got past that point of the previous world record, 385 00:33:28,288 --> 00:33:30,450 we tied on a guideline 386 00:33:30,531 --> 00:33:35,015 and we broke into new exploration, and we kept on going. 387 00:33:38,298 --> 00:33:40,460 And that was a huge victory for me, 388 00:33:40,541 --> 00:33:42,583 but it was also a world record 389 00:33:42,663 --> 00:33:46,947 for any woman going deeper and further into a cave in history. 390 00:33:50,591 --> 00:33:54,755 I realized I was on the cutting edge. I was there. I was doing it. 391 00:33:54,835 --> 00:33:59,800 And I had realized my goals of being an explorer. 392 00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:13,093 Nobody had ever worked in that regime underwater, 393 00:34:13,173 --> 00:34:15,856 and so Jill was one of those pioneers. 394 00:34:15,936 --> 00:34:18,258 It was evident that she was the lead. 395 00:34:18,338 --> 00:34:21,141 She was the only female on that dive team, 396 00:34:21,221 --> 00:34:24,024 and she led the whole exploration of B Tunnel, 397 00:34:24,104 --> 00:34:28,148 which was arguably the most difficult of all the options that we had looked at. 398 00:34:28,228 --> 00:34:31,351 Um, you know, so she really rose, in my opinion, 399 00:34:31,431 --> 00:34:34,314 to superstar status on that project. 400 00:34:42,282 --> 00:34:45,085 We produced a 3D map of Wakulla Springs. 401 00:34:45,766 --> 00:34:48,569 We mapped 32 kilometers of tunnels. 402 00:34:48,649 --> 00:34:50,971 Highly accurate, highly detailed. 403 00:34:51,051 --> 00:34:53,413 You could see the features of the cave going through 404 00:34:53,493 --> 00:34:55,536 in a way that you never could if you were doing it on a dive 405 00:34:55,616 --> 00:34:57,297 because you simply couldn't see it. 406 00:35:06,507 --> 00:35:10,230 I think when I started down the road of the Wakulla project, 407 00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:14,314 I wasn't as confident in myself, in my abilities. 408 00:35:16,316 --> 00:35:20,280 I learned a lot over those years just preparing for the project. 409 00:35:20,881 --> 00:35:24,885 But by the time I left that project, I felt like I had leadership 410 00:35:24,965 --> 00:35:29,730 and confidence to move forward and take on the next challenging task. 411 00:35:39,940 --> 00:35:43,744 Jill has, like, 7500 logged dives. 412 00:35:43,824 --> 00:35:48,509 Well, you know, that 7501 might be the one 413 00:35:48,589 --> 00:35:53,594 where, you know, a 25-cent O-ring fails and she's too far back, 414 00:35:53,674 --> 00:35:57,077 or a rebreather fails. 415 00:35:57,157 --> 00:36:02,643 I liken it to maybe someone who's married to a police officer or a firefighter. 416 00:36:02,723 --> 00:36:05,846 You know, they go off to their job, and it's inherently dangerous. 417 00:36:05,926 --> 00:36:08,088 It's inherently-- It has some risks. 418 00:36:08,168 --> 00:36:09,930 But I also know that Jill 419 00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:13,654 does everything she can to minimize those risks, 420 00:36:13,734 --> 00:36:17,297 and she's very clear about communicating that to me. 421 00:36:17,377 --> 00:36:21,822 And that just kind of, you know, takes a little bit of the edge off for me. 422 00:36:21,902 --> 00:36:24,184 But yeah, I worry. I do worry. 423 00:36:25,385 --> 00:36:27,588 I'm sure that what I do 424 00:36:27,668 --> 00:36:31,792 contributes to anxiety and difficulty for him, 425 00:36:32,953 --> 00:36:34,234 and that's hard. 426 00:36:34,314 --> 00:36:37,958 But I also know that if I quit doing what I love, 427 00:36:38,038 --> 00:36:40,881 then I'm not gonna be the woman that he fell in love with. 428 00:36:40,961 --> 00:36:45,606 So there's this weird, delicate dance that we play, 429 00:36:45,686 --> 00:36:48,208 and there are times when it gets acute. 430 00:36:48,288 --> 00:36:56,977 I would say that cave diving is probably more dangerous 431 00:36:57,057 --> 00:36:59,379 than what I was doing in the military. 432 00:36:59,459 --> 00:37:00,741 I mean, I was deployed overseas. 433 00:37:00,821 --> 00:37:03,023 I was involved in skirmishes and things like that. 434 00:37:03,103 --> 00:37:06,386 I know which end of the rifle the round comes out of. 435 00:37:06,466 --> 00:37:14,274 But I did not go to as many memorials or funerals in 15 years in the military 436 00:37:14,354 --> 00:37:17,838 as I did in my first few years of being married to Jill. 437 00:37:27,968 --> 00:37:31,772 There are very few divers in the world that are as experienced as Jill. 438 00:37:32,773 --> 00:37:36,416 But sometimes she dives with scientists and other people who-- 439 00:37:36,496 --> 00:37:40,500 Diving is just sort of a side thing that they have to do. 440 00:37:40,581 --> 00:37:44,144 And, you know, one of the rules in diving is you have to be able to save yourself, 441 00:37:44,224 --> 00:37:46,547 but you also have to be able to rescue your buddy. 442 00:37:46,627 --> 00:37:49,109 So I'm often very concerned about who that buddy is. 443 00:37:49,189 --> 00:37:53,714 Like, is that person gonna be capable of bringing Jill out of a cave? 444 00:38:07,768 --> 00:38:10,130 I was working with a young scientist 445 00:38:10,210 --> 00:38:13,854 who needed to get a critical bacterial sample 446 00:38:13,934 --> 00:38:16,897 from inside a kind of gnarly, small cave. 447 00:38:16,977 --> 00:38:20,140 And I had done plenty of dives in this cave, and she hadn't. 448 00:38:20,220 --> 00:38:23,023 In fact, we hadn't even dived together before. 449 00:38:27,708 --> 00:38:31,191 More often than not, I work with different scientists, 450 00:38:31,271 --> 00:38:34,955 extending the eyes and hands into this remote environment. 451 00:38:59,660 --> 00:39:04,545 These aren't necessarily linear passages where you go in and you come out. 452 00:39:05,225 --> 00:39:09,109 It's like swimming into the branches of a braided tree, 453 00:39:09,189 --> 00:39:12,833 and then you have to find your way back out. 454 00:39:23,524 --> 00:39:26,567 In cave diving, we always have a guideline, 455 00:39:26,647 --> 00:39:31,692 which is a thin, usually nylon line that we place in the cave like a pathway. 456 00:39:32,813 --> 00:39:35,095 It is vital to our safety 457 00:39:35,175 --> 00:39:37,778 because it's a visual reference to the exit. 458 00:40:01,722 --> 00:40:05,365 When I called the dive, when she had the samples that she needed, 459 00:40:06,406 --> 00:40:08,088 and she turned to leave... 460 00:40:09,970 --> 00:40:11,732 she got stuck. 461 00:40:26,146 --> 00:40:28,869 And I realized that she was panicking. 462 00:40:31,592 --> 00:40:34,354 All of a sudden, her fins were kicking, 463 00:40:34,434 --> 00:40:39,560 and in this narrow space, what that meant was a complete silt-out. 464 00:40:46,567 --> 00:40:48,529 I grabbed onto her with one hand 465 00:40:48,609 --> 00:40:50,971 and onto the guideline with the other hand, 466 00:40:51,051 --> 00:40:54,775 and I felt her wriggling and fighting against being stuck. 467 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,604 And I'm holding onto the guideline and holding onto her, 468 00:41:23,684 --> 00:41:26,967 and they're separating and getting farther and farther apart, 469 00:41:27,047 --> 00:41:31,291 and then suddenly, the guideline breaks, 470 00:41:31,371 --> 00:41:36,176 and I'm holding the bitter end of our safety line in my hand. 471 00:41:37,177 --> 00:41:41,101 The part that leads me out of the cave is gone, and I can't see. 472 00:41:44,545 --> 00:41:48,949 And for a moment, my heart was racing, my respirations were going up, 473 00:41:49,029 --> 00:41:51,632 and I'm thinking these crazy thoughts. 474 00:41:54,034 --> 00:41:56,476 And at some point, I lost track of her. 475 00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:04,284 I didn't know whether she'd left the cave, whether she'd gone further into the cave. 476 00:42:04,364 --> 00:42:06,286 I had no idea. 477 00:42:09,009 --> 00:42:12,813 And I got out my safety spool and tied in to the bitter end of that line 478 00:42:12,893 --> 00:42:16,817 to begin searching for the other end that I could tie into. 479 00:42:22,222 --> 00:42:25,225 And I realized I couldn't just run out of the cave. 480 00:42:25,305 --> 00:42:27,588 I needed to go further in. 481 00:42:27,668 --> 00:42:30,591 When we pass through a cave, even with perfect technique, 482 00:42:30,671 --> 00:42:33,514 we'll disturb the visibility a little bit. 483 00:42:33,594 --> 00:42:37,277 But when you reach that clear water, you know nobody's been there. 484 00:42:44,605 --> 00:42:47,047 So once I went further into the cave, 485 00:42:47,127 --> 00:42:50,771 and I confirmed that she hadn't passed me and kept on going, 486 00:42:52,092 --> 00:42:56,977 then I could work my way slowly out and, like, clear the cave, basically. 487 00:42:57,057 --> 00:43:02,342 Search every corner and every side passage to ensure I wasn't leaving her behind. 488 00:43:10,551 --> 00:43:13,674 And then my regulator packed it in. 489 00:43:14,154 --> 00:43:17,317 With all the digging and moving and patching guideline, 490 00:43:17,397 --> 00:43:21,401 it was so packed with clay that the valve was basically jammed open, 491 00:43:21,481 --> 00:43:25,445 and the only way I could access that gas supply is to turn the tank on, 492 00:43:25,526 --> 00:43:27,367 take a breath, and turn it off. 493 00:43:35,495 --> 00:43:37,578 So I searched and found a side passage 494 00:43:37,658 --> 00:43:42,382 where all of her scientific gear was laying on the floor of the cave. 495 00:43:43,784 --> 00:43:47,788 When cave divers panic and the end is near, 496 00:43:47,868 --> 00:43:49,830 a lot of people start shedding equipment, 497 00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:52,873 tearing their mask off, throwing down any extras, 498 00:43:52,953 --> 00:43:55,155 sprinting for the exit. 499 00:43:55,235 --> 00:44:00,040 And I was fairly certain that I would find her next. 500 00:44:11,051 --> 00:44:13,373 And when I finally reached the exit... 501 00:44:15,455 --> 00:44:18,018 there she was in the doorway. 502 00:44:18,098 --> 00:44:20,180 She had surfaced and done the right thing. 503 00:44:20,260 --> 00:44:21,501 She had called 911. 504 00:44:21,582 --> 00:44:24,224 She had called the cave rescue team to come out 505 00:44:24,304 --> 00:44:26,867 and gone back in the water to wait for me. 506 00:44:26,947 --> 00:44:31,952 But when I came out of that cave, it was 73 minutes after her. 507 00:44:40,521 --> 00:44:43,083 After an experience like that, 508 00:44:43,724 --> 00:44:46,687 people tell you all the things they wish they had said 509 00:44:46,767 --> 00:44:49,289 if they wouldn't have had the chance to say them. 510 00:44:50,731 --> 00:44:52,933 They write you e-mails and notes, 511 00:44:53,614 --> 00:44:58,018 and I recognized that I was reading my own eulogy. 512 00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:01,782 That's pretty hard to take, 513 00:45:01,862 --> 00:45:06,547 for me, for her, and for Robert. 514 00:45:07,948 --> 00:45:11,752 I think what really hit me was when she told me 515 00:45:11,832 --> 00:45:14,154 that sort of the SOS went out, 516 00:45:14,234 --> 00:45:16,557 and all these cave divers and rescue people 517 00:45:16,637 --> 00:45:19,439 were on their way to rescue her, or-- 518 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,122 I know what cave diving's about, so they weren't gonna rescue her. 519 00:45:22,202 --> 00:45:24,204 They were just gonna bring her body back. 520 00:45:34,254 --> 00:45:35,776 That was the first time in our relationship 521 00:45:35,856 --> 00:45:37,377 that I really thought to myself, 522 00:45:37,457 --> 00:45:41,542 "What am I gonna do without Jill in my life?" 523 00:45:41,622 --> 00:45:45,546 I mean, we had just created this great life for ourselves, 524 00:45:45,626 --> 00:45:49,229 and I don't know what I would do if that piece was missing. 525 00:45:49,309 --> 00:45:54,675 So I became very resentful towards the whole idea of cave diving. 526 00:45:54,755 --> 00:45:57,798 I don't think I became resentful to her personally, 527 00:45:57,878 --> 00:45:59,520 but just the whole idea. 528 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,404 And yeah, there were tears at our house that night, me and her. 529 00:46:04,484 --> 00:46:06,567 We had a real heart-to-heart, 530 00:46:06,647 --> 00:46:11,251 and she explained to me how she needed to do this. 531 00:46:11,331 --> 00:46:14,615 You know, it would-- This may be just-- This may seem trivial, 532 00:46:14,695 --> 00:46:18,098 but it would be like asking Tiger Woods to stop golfing, you know? 533 00:46:18,178 --> 00:46:19,499 That's not gonna happen. 534 00:46:24,905 --> 00:46:27,628 But this was more than just a sport to her. 535 00:46:27,708 --> 00:46:29,429 This was a calling. 536 00:46:43,283 --> 00:46:51,251 How do you keep engaging in a sport, an activity where your friends go to die? 537 00:46:58,979 --> 00:47:00,701 I've been to so many funerals 538 00:47:00,781 --> 00:47:06,306 and written quite a number of eulogies over the years. 539 00:47:09,189 --> 00:47:10,511 And I'm sure some people wonder 540 00:47:10,591 --> 00:47:15,235 how I could ever go back to a place where a friend of mine died, 541 00:47:15,315 --> 00:47:19,680 or where I even brought a body out of the cave. 542 00:47:23,003 --> 00:47:26,527 Technical diving means that a lot of people have rebreathers 543 00:47:26,607 --> 00:47:30,651 and stage bottles and high-speed scooters that take them kilometers 544 00:47:30,731 --> 00:47:34,575 to faraway places that would have been world records a decade ago. 545 00:47:38,859 --> 00:47:40,581 It's not the gear that kills people, 546 00:47:40,661 --> 00:47:42,743 it's people that get themselves killed 547 00:47:42,823 --> 00:47:45,706 by the decisions they make before they go in the water. 548 00:47:47,868 --> 00:47:53,874 I have to look at risk every day and ask myself, "Is it worth it?" 549 00:47:53,954 --> 00:47:56,156 I could lose my life doing this. 550 00:48:01,762 --> 00:48:06,446 The point in my life that truly shattered my sense of invincibility 551 00:48:06,527 --> 00:48:08,328 happened in 2000 552 00:48:08,408 --> 00:48:12,492 when I was exploring a place called The Pit in the Yucatan Peninsula. 553 00:48:28,949 --> 00:48:34,154 A few years earlier, Paul and I had found these deep tunnels 554 00:48:34,234 --> 00:48:38,118 that were connected to this giant cenote sinkhole. 555 00:48:43,724 --> 00:48:46,326 The Pit was unique because of the depth. 556 00:48:47,247 --> 00:48:51,932 In fact, it's as deep as the Great Pyramid is tall. 557 00:48:57,818 --> 00:49:02,302 All the caves in the Yucatan were far less than 100 meters deep. 558 00:49:02,382 --> 00:49:07,548 So this could be a whole new level of exploration. 559 00:49:07,628 --> 00:49:11,672 And it might even attach the two longest caves in the world. 560 00:49:13,954 --> 00:49:17,237 At the time, I had thousands of log dives under my belt, 561 00:49:17,317 --> 00:49:21,161 and I had just been inducted into the Women Divers Hall of Fame. 562 00:49:21,241 --> 00:49:24,124 And that was a big deal for me. 563 00:49:24,204 --> 00:49:28,849 So I headed off with a great deal of confidence on that expedition. 564 00:49:38,458 --> 00:49:42,903 At the time Jill was exploring in The Pit, it was an entirely different world. 565 00:49:42,983 --> 00:49:44,985 Everything was really remote. 566 00:49:45,065 --> 00:49:49,349 Divers had to hike way back out into the forest 567 00:49:49,429 --> 00:49:51,431 to even access the dive site. 568 00:49:53,313 --> 00:49:57,357 So there's a lot of risks involved in doing this type of dive 569 00:49:57,437 --> 00:50:00,040 because if something goes wrong, 570 00:50:00,641 --> 00:50:04,765 you don't have a fast and easy support network. 571 00:50:06,567 --> 00:50:08,529 This is a dive that at the time 572 00:50:08,609 --> 00:50:12,172 probably not a lot of people were really qualified to do. 573 00:51:00,861 --> 00:51:04,464 When you first put your face in and you look down, 574 00:51:06,667 --> 00:51:09,750 it's like you're in a giant witch's cauldron. 575 00:51:11,752 --> 00:51:18,679 Deep below you is this hazy, foggy layer with tree branches sticking up out of it. 576 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,924 And that layer is caused by rotting vegetation, 577 00:51:24,004 --> 00:51:27,487 causing a chemical called hydrogen sulfide. 578 00:51:30,250 --> 00:51:33,814 When you actually descend through the hydrogen sulfide, 579 00:51:33,894 --> 00:51:38,098 all of your senses are just assaulted with this rotten egg smell 580 00:51:38,178 --> 00:51:43,263 that somehow gets past your scuba mask, and even makes your eyes tear up. 581 00:51:45,586 --> 00:51:48,308 But it was below the hydrogen sulfide, 582 00:51:48,388 --> 00:51:52,553 deep into this witch's cauldron, where the magic was. 583 00:52:38,158 --> 00:52:41,401 There was nothing like this in the Yucatan, 584 00:52:42,002 --> 00:52:45,445 and we knew that we had found something pretty remarkable. 585 00:52:50,731 --> 00:52:53,974 I'll admit, it's a complete rush 586 00:52:54,054 --> 00:52:56,617 when you are breaking into the unknown 587 00:52:56,697 --> 00:53:00,781 and exploring a place that nobody's ever been before. 588 00:53:00,861 --> 00:53:02,983 It's enticing, 589 00:53:03,063 --> 00:53:07,187 and there's definitely something that's always drawing you forward. 590 00:53:38,138 --> 00:53:43,423 We'd made it to 120 meters, and we were at the back of a really large room. 591 00:53:45,185 --> 00:53:48,228 But ahead of us was a small restriction. 592 00:53:53,994 --> 00:53:58,519 Now, continuing on might have netted a connection 593 00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:02,883 to bring together the two longest cave systems in the world. 594 00:54:10,210 --> 00:54:13,694 But we were really deep, and we'd been down for an hour, 595 00:54:13,774 --> 00:54:15,936 so I knew it was time to turn around. 596 00:54:16,016 --> 00:54:19,299 Every minute longer that we stayed there 597 00:54:19,379 --> 00:54:24,705 was gonna start to net a lot more decompression and a lot more risk. 598 00:54:28,749 --> 00:54:31,952 So the deeper you go and the longer you stand in water, 599 00:54:32,032 --> 00:54:35,075 the more nitrogen you get into your system. 600 00:54:35,155 --> 00:54:37,277 You can't go straight up to the surface 601 00:54:37,357 --> 00:54:40,881 without having that nitrogen form bubbles in your system. 602 00:54:44,645 --> 00:54:49,610 This can be avoided through a series of stops as we ascend. 603 00:54:49,690 --> 00:54:54,374 That will reduce the chances of decompression sickness. 604 00:54:54,454 --> 00:54:58,338 However, there is no way to guarantee 605 00:54:58,418 --> 00:55:03,463 that a diver will 100 percent not get bent on a dive. 606 00:55:31,692 --> 00:55:36,176 Where we had to decompress was a massive opening, 607 00:55:36,256 --> 00:55:38,699 you know, the size of a football stadium. 608 00:55:41,261 --> 00:55:45,866 When I got to the point about 20 meters deep, 609 00:55:45,946 --> 00:55:50,951 hours into the dive, I felt something odd happening. 610 00:55:52,352 --> 00:55:56,677 The first symptom was this sense of impending doom. 611 00:55:57,277 --> 00:56:00,040 I knew something was very wrong. 612 00:56:00,521 --> 00:56:05,606 I sensed this odd sensation in my thighs first. 613 00:56:05,686 --> 00:56:11,051 It felt like there were ants crawling all over my legs inside my suit. 614 00:56:11,732 --> 00:56:14,975 And then it dawned on me. 615 00:56:15,536 --> 00:56:18,659 It's not bugs. This is decompression sickness. 616 00:56:18,739 --> 00:56:22,743 I'm bent. Those were bubbles. 617 00:56:22,823 --> 00:56:29,670 Absolute bubbles inside my body, ripping apart tissues, causing pain. 618 00:56:33,914 --> 00:56:37,598 I knew I needed to stay underwater as long as possible 619 00:56:37,678 --> 00:56:42,282 to let the effects of the pressure maybe push those back into my body. 620 00:56:43,363 --> 00:56:44,845 But it was already too late. 621 00:56:46,006 --> 00:56:51,091 I started to feel pain from my neck to my wrists to my ankles. 622 00:56:51,171 --> 00:56:54,254 I was hurting, aching everywhere. 623 00:57:04,424 --> 00:57:08,789 Paul was actually swimming laps around the sinkhole at this point 624 00:57:08,869 --> 00:57:10,110 because he was cold. 625 00:57:10,190 --> 00:57:13,754 I expected him to sort of step in and take over, 626 00:57:13,834 --> 00:57:16,677 but I think he felt powerless to help me. 627 00:57:17,838 --> 00:57:20,160 I felt so alone. 628 00:57:21,001 --> 00:57:25,405 This explosion of thoughts were just competing in my head. 629 00:57:25,485 --> 00:57:28,809 What's happening? Am I going to get worse? Am I going to be paralyzed? 630 00:57:28,889 --> 00:57:30,170 Am I gonna die? 631 00:57:30,250 --> 00:57:32,933 What about my career? I don't know what to do. 632 00:57:33,013 --> 00:57:38,258 It was so confusing and the anxiety was just, like, filling my brain. 633 00:57:39,099 --> 00:57:41,301 You're gonna die. Your career's over. You fucked up. 634 00:57:41,381 --> 00:57:44,024 You aren't good enough. You should quit. You'll be left in the dive shop. 635 00:57:44,104 --> 00:57:46,426 What are you going to do now? People will think you screwed up. 636 00:57:46,507 --> 00:57:49,590 What the fuck were you thinking? You've wasted your life. 637 00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:51,271 Your career's over. Stay out of it. 638 00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:32,993 By the time I got to the surface of the water, I thought, 639 00:58:33,073 --> 00:58:38,599 "Oof, I'll just take off my gear, and I'll climb the ladder, 640 00:58:38,679 --> 00:58:41,241 and everything's gonna be okay." 641 00:58:42,442 --> 00:58:43,644 But it wasn't. 642 00:58:44,525 --> 00:58:47,287 With every rung of that ladder, 643 00:58:47,367 --> 00:58:51,892 my body felt heavier, I felt more pain, 644 00:58:51,972 --> 00:58:56,096 and the whole emotional sensation of what was going on 645 00:58:56,176 --> 00:58:58,659 was just starting to come to light. 646 00:59:00,260 --> 00:59:01,582 By the time I got to the top, 647 00:59:01,662 --> 00:59:05,666 I literally just rolled off into the dirt and crawled over into the jungle 648 00:59:05,746 --> 00:59:08,589 just to lay down on my sleeping mat. 649 00:59:08,669 --> 00:59:13,073 But as I looked down at my biceps and my thighs, they were swollen. 650 00:59:13,153 --> 00:59:16,837 I mean, like, I looked like Popeye swollen in my biceps, 651 00:59:16,917 --> 00:59:21,201 and there were these, like, weird, mottled, 652 00:59:21,281 --> 00:59:25,886 like, ribbons of bruising turning up on all over my body. 653 00:59:25,966 --> 00:59:28,689 It was really, really scary. 654 00:59:31,131 --> 00:59:35,095 What would this mean? Would I recover from this? 655 00:59:35,175 --> 00:59:37,177 Was this the end of my career? 656 00:59:39,580 --> 00:59:43,984 And eventually, I laid there and I thought, 657 00:59:44,705 --> 00:59:48,148 I can't walk out of the jungle right now. 658 00:59:48,228 --> 00:59:50,871 I'm gonna have to treat myself here. 659 00:59:53,754 --> 00:59:57,317 So, the next morning, I spent hours in the water, 660 00:59:57,397 --> 01:00:03,163 breathing pure oxygen, down to about 15 meters, 661 01:00:03,243 --> 01:00:08,008 which, in a normal situation, could throw someone into a seizure. 662 01:00:08,088 --> 01:00:12,132 But I knew that was the best medicine for what had happened to me. 663 01:00:19,620 --> 01:00:21,822 By the time I got to the surface of the water, 664 01:00:21,902 --> 01:00:25,946 I called out to the highway to the dive shop that was helping us out. 665 01:00:26,747 --> 01:00:29,469 People hiked in and walked me out. 666 01:00:31,632 --> 01:00:35,235 I was in agony and exhausted. 667 01:00:37,077 --> 01:00:42,202 I could barely walk 10 steps to just collapse and lie down. 668 01:00:46,607 --> 01:00:50,891 When I finally got to Playa del Carmen to get treatment, 669 01:00:50,971 --> 01:00:54,855 what I needed was time in a recompression chamber. 670 01:00:54,935 --> 01:00:58,498 So a recompression chamber is usually at a hospital facility. 671 01:00:58,579 --> 01:01:00,861 Basically, it's a room that can be pressurized. 672 01:01:00,941 --> 01:01:03,544 The patient gets put inside the chamber, 673 01:01:03,624 --> 01:01:05,065 the doors close behind them, 674 01:01:05,145 --> 01:01:09,029 and then the environment inside there is pressurized with air. 675 01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:10,671 And once they're at that pressure, 676 01:01:10,751 --> 01:01:13,393 then we give them 100 percent oxygen to breathe. 677 01:01:13,473 --> 01:01:15,716 And oxygen under pressure at those depths 678 01:01:15,796 --> 01:01:18,478 has a couple of really important mechanisms. 679 01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:22,402 The first is just to provide oxygen into the patient's body 680 01:01:22,482 --> 01:01:25,566 to help flush out the inert gas, the nitrogen. 681 01:01:25,646 --> 01:01:28,689 There's a second and equally important effect is that 682 01:01:28,769 --> 01:01:32,492 oxygen under high pressure like that is actually an anti-inflammatory. 683 01:01:32,573 --> 01:01:34,775 It has an effect almost like steroids 684 01:01:34,855 --> 01:01:40,340 to quell the body's inflammatory response to this attack by the bubbles. 685 01:01:54,114 --> 01:01:59,600 There was a whole week of treatments and consulting with the doctor. 686 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,404 And at the end of that week, he only had three words for me. 687 01:02:04,484 --> 01:02:07,247 And they're the worst three words I've ever heard. 688 01:02:07,327 --> 01:02:10,130 "Never dive again." 689 01:02:18,018 --> 01:02:21,301 When I was told "never dive again," 690 01:02:22,943 --> 01:02:24,505 my heart sank. 691 01:02:28,228 --> 01:02:32,232 I don't even know what my identity was, 692 01:02:32,312 --> 01:02:37,598 how I would move forward in my friendships, relationships, career. 693 01:02:37,678 --> 01:02:40,641 So much was tied to that. 694 01:02:43,964 --> 01:02:47,447 The impact of being told by a doctor in Mexico that you'll never dive again. 695 01:02:47,528 --> 01:02:49,610 I mean, that is massive for someone like Jill. 696 01:02:49,690 --> 01:02:52,212 It would be massive if that happened to me. 697 01:02:52,292 --> 01:02:55,856 You know, you're suddenly facing an existential crisis, really. 698 01:02:55,936 --> 01:02:59,620 You know, your whole life has been torn in half 699 01:02:59,700 --> 01:03:02,943 by telling you that you can't do the one thing that defines you 700 01:03:03,023 --> 01:03:06,266 and makes you happy and gives you an income as well. 701 01:03:06,346 --> 01:03:09,590 So, you know, that's a really, that's a big moment for her. 702 01:03:15,596 --> 01:03:20,681 After getting bent, that caused me to reflect on 703 01:03:20,761 --> 01:03:23,884 whether I really wanted to do this anymore. 704 01:03:28,929 --> 01:03:32,613 I realized that there wasn't a single scenario 705 01:03:32,693 --> 01:03:36,617 that I could look at for a quote-unquote "normal life" 706 01:03:36,697 --> 01:03:38,899 that was gonna satisfy me. 707 01:03:38,979 --> 01:03:43,063 I couldn't envision a life without diving. 708 01:03:44,304 --> 01:03:48,629 And it made me reflect on what were my motivations in the beginning. 709 01:04:01,201 --> 01:04:06,887 When I graduated from university, I went right into working in graphic design. 710 01:04:07,568 --> 01:04:13,053 That meant at times that I'm sitting at my drafting table trying to meet a deadline, 711 01:04:13,133 --> 01:04:16,456 and I don't leave the office for three days 712 01:04:16,537 --> 01:04:18,539 over the Christmas holidays. 713 01:04:19,059 --> 01:04:23,503 I'm there all night working, and I'm never leaving work. 714 01:04:24,665 --> 01:04:28,468 And in my mind, I'm going like, "You're gonna kill yourself by the time you're 30 715 01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:30,270 if you keep up this pace." 716 01:04:31,632 --> 01:04:34,715 I was teaching scuba, but it was a hobby. 717 01:04:34,795 --> 01:04:37,918 It was what I did on nights and weekends. 718 01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:41,722 I was constantly daydreaming about diving 719 01:04:41,802 --> 01:04:45,325 and envisioning that turquoise beauty. 720 01:04:46,607 --> 01:04:51,972 And in the long Canadian winter, that's what my mind and my soul needed. 721 01:05:08,388 --> 01:05:12,232 With every day that passed, that office felt smaller, 722 01:05:12,873 --> 01:05:16,597 and the walls were closing in and the ceiling's descending on me, 723 01:05:16,677 --> 01:05:20,120 until the point where I felt trapped. 724 01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,803 That's claustrophobia for me. 725 01:05:23,684 --> 01:05:27,367 But I have to say, it's those societal pressures and familial pressures 726 01:05:27,447 --> 01:05:30,170 were the hardest to navigate as a young woman. 727 01:05:31,171 --> 01:05:34,334 "What are you doing? You're gonna be a scuba diver? 728 01:05:34,414 --> 01:05:38,138 You're doing what? You're throwing it all away? 729 01:05:38,779 --> 01:05:42,863 How do you make money? Your biological clock is ticking. 730 01:05:42,943 --> 01:05:46,026 You gotta move on. You gotta get married. You gotta settle down. 731 01:05:46,106 --> 01:05:49,349 It's time to stop this childish, playful stuff." 732 01:06:00,881 --> 01:06:03,003 I got to the point where it was clear to me 733 01:06:03,083 --> 01:06:06,406 I could not go on living the way I was doing, 734 01:06:06,486 --> 01:06:08,689 working the way I was working. 735 01:06:10,050 --> 01:06:14,414 I needed to be my own full authentic self. 736 01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:32,312 When I moved to the Cayman Islands, 737 01:06:32,392 --> 01:06:37,638 I did some of my first real cave dives and my first real cave exploration. 738 01:06:46,486 --> 01:06:51,331 Every day was just an opportunity to go around the next corner. 739 01:06:54,294 --> 01:06:57,497 To get a little bit further away from the entrance. 740 01:06:59,259 --> 01:07:01,662 To see that next thing. 741 01:07:03,984 --> 01:07:09,109 And that newness, the freshness was just so invigorating to me. 742 01:07:17,598 --> 01:07:22,242 I learned a lot about the psychological development of a cave diver 743 01:07:22,322 --> 01:07:26,086 and how fear is an important part of what I do. 744 01:07:29,369 --> 01:07:33,614 But I realized that fear and facing it 745 01:07:33,694 --> 01:07:39,379 is something I learned about before I even started cave diving. 746 01:07:52,793 --> 01:07:55,395 In my third year of university, 747 01:07:55,475 --> 01:07:58,078 four other women and I found a house 748 01:07:58,158 --> 01:08:01,722 in the Lawrence West neighborhood in Toronto 749 01:08:01,802 --> 01:08:05,205 that we could rent for the school year, and we'd each take a bedroom. 750 01:08:07,367 --> 01:08:10,891 And the first night I slept in that house, I slept there alone. 751 01:08:15,936 --> 01:08:21,341 And in the middle of the night, I heard something. 752 01:08:32,312 --> 01:08:37,197 And then I realized, "Oh, my God, there's a burglar in my house. 753 01:08:37,758 --> 01:08:42,603 If I just hide here, he won't notice me." 754 01:08:45,405 --> 01:08:48,609 Downstairs, I could hear footsteps. 755 01:08:48,689 --> 01:08:51,131 I could hear drawers opening. 756 01:08:52,212 --> 01:08:56,496 I heard his feet start up the stairs. 757 01:08:58,218 --> 01:09:00,941 And I thought, "How can I get help?" 758 01:09:01,021 --> 01:09:02,543 I don't have a phone. 759 01:09:02,623 --> 01:09:05,666 And that's when I knew that I needed to find a weapon. 760 01:09:05,746 --> 01:09:08,468 I was gonna have to defend myself. 761 01:09:23,564 --> 01:09:25,566 And click, I would see a minute pass, 762 01:09:25,646 --> 01:09:28,208 and then I would hear him coming up the stairs again. 763 01:09:31,051 --> 01:09:32,613 And he came closer. 764 01:09:34,615 --> 01:09:36,456 And he came closer. 765 01:09:47,588 --> 01:09:53,433 And it felt like an eternity waiting for that door to open. 766 01:10:13,013 --> 01:10:16,016 And then suddenly, it's like an eruption. 767 01:10:16,096 --> 01:10:19,419 Vroom! The door flew open. He almost ripped it out. 768 01:10:19,499 --> 01:10:21,101 And then he came after me. 769 01:10:21,902 --> 01:10:23,343 And in that moment, 770 01:10:24,625 --> 01:10:28,348 it's kill or be killed. 771 01:10:28,428 --> 01:10:32,713 I thought he was going to rape me or kill me or-- 772 01:10:32,793 --> 01:10:35,876 I didn't know what was gonna happen but I just knew 773 01:10:37,397 --> 01:10:39,520 that something awful was gonna happen 774 01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,323 and I needed to find every bit of strength that I had. 775 01:10:43,403 --> 01:10:46,647 And as terrified as I was, 776 01:10:46,727 --> 01:10:49,730 and shaking and barely able to contain myself, 777 01:10:49,810 --> 01:10:54,855 I reached out, and I slashed with the knife across his chest 778 01:10:54,935 --> 01:10:58,859 and ripped his shirt open and tore into his flesh. 779 01:10:59,540 --> 01:11:04,344 And I watched the blood soak through his shirt. 780 01:11:05,305 --> 01:11:09,189 I was staring into the face of impossible. 781 01:11:09,269 --> 01:11:12,032 I don't know how I'm going to get through this. 782 01:11:47,347 --> 01:11:53,994 It took me so long to process what had happened. 783 01:11:54,074 --> 01:11:57,357 And at first, it was just all the victimization 784 01:11:57,437 --> 01:12:02,723 and the terror and just the violation 785 01:12:02,803 --> 01:12:07,648 of somebody in my space and coming after me like that. 786 01:12:07,728 --> 01:12:10,210 I would wake up in the middle of night in a cold sweat, 787 01:12:10,290 --> 01:12:13,213 and I was already fighting that burglar in my dreams. 788 01:12:14,374 --> 01:12:16,937 I remember sitting with Kim, my roommate, 789 01:12:17,017 --> 01:12:19,740 and I was probably complaining 790 01:12:19,820 --> 01:12:21,221 and telling her the same story 791 01:12:21,301 --> 01:12:25,666 that she'd heard over and over and over again. 792 01:12:26,266 --> 01:12:28,989 I was processing these feelings with someone 793 01:12:29,069 --> 01:12:32,032 who I really respected and cared deeply about, 794 01:12:32,112 --> 01:12:36,236 and then she turned to me and said, "When are you gonna get over this? 795 01:12:36,316 --> 01:12:38,599 What are you gonna do about it?" 796 01:12:38,679 --> 01:12:40,641 And I thought, "What?" 797 01:12:40,721 --> 01:12:43,243 Like, where are the hugs and love? 798 01:12:44,444 --> 01:12:47,928 And I guess for her, you know, it was time for tough love. 799 01:12:48,008 --> 01:12:50,010 It was time to shake me out of it. 800 01:12:50,090 --> 01:12:54,134 If I couldn't get past that moment in my life, 801 01:12:54,214 --> 01:12:57,578 it was gonna define everything moving forward. 802 01:12:57,658 --> 01:13:00,340 And I needed to find something in that experience 803 01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:03,584 that I could use that would help me to grow. 804 01:13:03,664 --> 01:13:06,627 Without that near-death experience, 805 01:13:06,707 --> 01:13:11,632 I may well have not dealt with some of my other near-death experiences 806 01:13:11,712 --> 01:13:13,433 in cave diving as well. 807 01:13:19,359 --> 01:13:22,683 It definitely defined the direction of my life. 808 01:13:27,287 --> 01:13:29,930 It definitely gave me the courage 809 01:13:30,571 --> 01:13:34,134 to move forward and do things that I thought were impossible. 810 01:13:44,104 --> 01:13:47,508 After getting bent, my doctor told me 811 01:13:48,268 --> 01:13:52,913 he knew I was gonna start to tread back into that water one step at a time 812 01:13:53,874 --> 01:13:57,678 to decide whether I was gonna be diving again. 813 01:14:03,524 --> 01:14:06,607 Ultimately, as the symptoms faded 814 01:14:06,687 --> 01:14:09,209 and my confidence started to return, 815 01:14:09,289 --> 01:14:13,053 I knew that I was going back to diving. 816 01:14:13,133 --> 01:14:15,055 But it was gonna be a slow progression. 817 01:14:15,135 --> 01:14:17,538 It was like dipping the toe in the water. 818 01:14:17,618 --> 01:14:20,701 My first swim gave me anxiety. 819 01:14:21,501 --> 01:14:24,785 My first dive I did on 100 percent oxygen 820 01:14:24,865 --> 01:14:30,791 because there's no way you can get bent on 100 percent oxygen in shallow water. 821 01:14:31,872 --> 01:14:36,837 It was a slow progression, a transition back to doing what I loved. 822 01:14:38,238 --> 01:14:41,481 And I suppose as I started to feel a little bit better 823 01:14:41,562 --> 01:14:43,804 and my energy was restored, 824 01:14:43,884 --> 01:14:47,327 so was my defiance and my stubbornness. 825 01:14:48,128 --> 01:14:53,934 And there was this little voice growing in the back of my head, "Just watch me." 826 01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:12,272 I was working on television projects with Wes Skiles 827 01:15:12,352 --> 01:15:17,678 when we both decided we wanted to do a full-length feature, 828 01:15:17,758 --> 01:15:19,159 a documentary film. 829 01:15:21,121 --> 01:15:24,525 The work that I do in communicating about how 830 01:15:24,605 --> 01:15:26,887 cave divers can be citizen scientists 831 01:15:26,967 --> 01:15:30,410 and contribute to a better understanding of the world, 832 01:15:31,892 --> 01:15:33,614 I got that from Wes. 833 01:15:36,496 --> 01:15:41,782 When he started cave diving, it was with the intention to take pictures underwater. 834 01:15:41,862 --> 01:15:48,148 He really set the whole genre into motion and inspired a lot of people. 835 01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,483 Both Wes and I really wanted to go to Antarctica. 836 01:16:14,535 --> 01:16:18,058 I just wanted the experience of going to this part of the planet 837 01:16:18,138 --> 01:16:19,459 that I'd never seen before. 838 01:16:19,540 --> 01:16:24,785 And when you grow up in Canada, you're interested in the polar regions. 839 01:16:25,906 --> 01:16:27,107 And at first, we thought, 840 01:16:27,187 --> 01:16:31,512 "Well, maybe we'll follow in the historic path of Ernest Shackleton." 841 01:16:32,913 --> 01:16:35,596 But we were also watching these satellite images 842 01:16:35,676 --> 01:16:40,280 because these cracks were developing in the Ross Ice Shelf down in Antarctica, 843 01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,924 and scientists were kind of interested in what was happening. 844 01:16:45,806 --> 01:16:49,289 When the B-15 iceberg calved away from Antarctica 845 01:16:49,369 --> 01:16:53,133 and I realized there was actually more of a story, 846 01:16:54,174 --> 01:16:56,617 that was a big draw for me. 847 01:16:57,858 --> 01:17:02,222 And we pitched to National Geographic that we were gonna go to Antarctica 848 01:17:02,302 --> 01:17:08,589 and be the first people to ever go cave diving inside an iceberg. 849 01:17:08,669 --> 01:17:10,951 But not just any iceberg. 850 01:17:11,031 --> 01:17:13,714 The largest moving object on our planet. 851 01:17:13,794 --> 01:17:19,159 The biggest iceberg to ever calve away from the Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica. 852 01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:24,044 To get up there in front of this moving iceberg the size of Connecticut 853 01:17:24,124 --> 01:17:27,047 and say, "We're gonna go under there and see what there is." 854 01:17:27,127 --> 01:17:29,289 I mean, that even in and of itself, 855 01:17:29,369 --> 01:17:31,932 you're talking about water that's minus 3C, 856 01:17:32,012 --> 01:17:34,695 you know, probably around 27 degrees Fahrenheit. 857 01:17:34,775 --> 01:17:37,057 And you go down there, 858 01:17:37,137 --> 01:17:41,421 and even with the best dry suit, within 40 minutes, 859 01:17:41,501 --> 01:17:43,904 your hands are becoming dysfunctional. 860 01:17:43,984 --> 01:17:47,387 You know, and these guys were going for way longer than that. 861 01:18:10,891 --> 01:18:13,854 Most tourists that go to Antarctica today, 862 01:18:13,934 --> 01:18:18,138 they have about 24 hours of uncomfortable seas 863 01:18:18,218 --> 01:18:21,301 going from South America to the Antarctic Peninsula. 864 01:18:22,462 --> 01:18:23,904 But where we were going, 865 01:18:23,984 --> 01:18:27,267 we left from New Zealand and made a 12-day crossing 866 01:18:27,347 --> 01:18:31,271 of the most violent seas on the planet. 867 01:18:36,677 --> 01:18:39,079 We had 20-meter waves. 868 01:18:39,159 --> 01:18:43,283 We had the boat icing so heavily that it was starting to list. 869 01:18:43,363 --> 01:18:45,205 We had to get out on deck 870 01:18:45,285 --> 01:18:49,409 and smash the ice off the boat with baseball bats and hammers. 871 01:18:50,130 --> 01:18:51,852 And I was seasick. 872 01:18:51,932 --> 01:18:54,615 I was seasick for 12 days. 873 01:18:56,336 --> 01:18:59,499 Even going to the bathroom was dangerous. 874 01:18:59,580 --> 01:19:03,824 The wave hit the boat and I was literally launched out of that tub, 875 01:19:03,904 --> 01:19:05,385 against the wall, 876 01:19:05,465 --> 01:19:08,549 and cut and bruised and damaged. 877 01:19:09,389 --> 01:19:12,993 So, I didn't even know if we were gonna get there. 878 01:19:29,449 --> 01:19:34,174 After 12 days of torture, we finally made it to Antarctica. 879 01:19:35,696 --> 01:19:38,258 It was like I'd landed on another planet. 880 01:19:51,752 --> 01:19:55,596 Diving in Antarctica and going inside an iceberg, 881 01:19:55,676 --> 01:20:00,040 I would say that that's definitely the most challenging dive of my life. 882 01:20:02,042 --> 01:20:04,084 There's so many risks that we faced. 883 01:20:04,164 --> 01:20:08,649 I mean, the wildlife itself, leopard seals or orcas, 884 01:20:08,729 --> 01:20:11,251 there are so many uncertainties there. 885 01:20:13,253 --> 01:20:17,177 The cold water, it's as cold as it can possibly be. 886 01:20:22,062 --> 01:20:24,705 There's nobody to call for help down there. 887 01:20:24,785 --> 01:20:26,507 We don't have a recompression chamber, 888 01:20:26,587 --> 01:20:29,710 so if somebody gets bent, there's no way to treat them. 889 01:20:29,790 --> 01:20:34,434 The US Coast Guard actually told us we were on our own. 890 01:20:45,926 --> 01:20:51,251 About a month into our time in Antarctica, Paul and I finally found 891 01:20:51,331 --> 01:20:53,413 what we thought was the cave 892 01:20:53,493 --> 01:20:57,177 that would let us deliver what we had promised to National Geographic. 893 01:21:12,312 --> 01:21:17,397 We got to a place where we could swim underneath the iceberg. 894 01:21:18,198 --> 01:21:23,924 And the seafloor's on the bottom, and there's this arch of ice over my head. 895 01:21:24,004 --> 01:21:25,165 And it was beautiful. 896 01:21:25,245 --> 01:21:28,128 There was a carpet of life all over the seafloor, 897 01:21:28,208 --> 01:21:31,371 just voraciously feeding in the current. 898 01:21:48,348 --> 01:21:53,954 Meanwhile, I'm hearing creaks and cracks and thuds and retorts 899 01:21:54,034 --> 01:21:55,275 and all kinds of sounds 900 01:21:55,355 --> 01:21:57,558 that I could not only hear, 901 01:21:57,638 --> 01:22:01,401 but I could feel them in the sternum, in my chest. 902 01:22:03,203 --> 01:22:08,849 Paul and I, at one point, had returned to where we'd gone into the iceberg, 903 01:22:08,929 --> 01:22:12,292 and the doorway was blocked with broken ice. 904 01:22:12,933 --> 01:22:16,456 So, Paul and I just start swimming around and under all these blocks, 905 01:22:16,537 --> 01:22:19,419 and some of them are sort of moving and shifting. 906 01:22:20,981 --> 01:22:24,985 And when I finally swam through these chunks and I got to the surface, 907 01:22:25,065 --> 01:22:29,790 Wes is hanging over the boat and his face was so animated. 908 01:22:29,870 --> 01:22:33,113 And he's like, "What happened? We thought you were dead. 909 01:22:33,193 --> 01:22:37,477 When the ice wall just sort of broke away, it created this huge wave 910 01:22:37,558 --> 01:22:39,720 and it almost threw us out of the boat. 911 01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:44,164 And then we realized where you had gone in, it was blocked." 912 01:22:44,244 --> 01:22:48,529 We had no idea the stress that everybody topside had experienced. 913 01:22:53,774 --> 01:22:55,495 I often look at expeditions, 914 01:22:55,576 --> 01:23:00,781 and I realize there's a mounting pressure that happens as the project moves on. 915 01:23:01,542 --> 01:23:03,664 You start taking risks, 916 01:23:03,744 --> 01:23:06,306 and it's to get the goods, it's to get the job done. 917 01:23:06,386 --> 01:23:09,670 It's because of the pressures from everybody around you. 918 01:23:15,395 --> 01:23:19,039 Wes hadn't even been inside the cave yet. 919 01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:21,522 And we needed to show it to him, 920 01:23:21,602 --> 01:23:24,605 to photograph what we needed for our movie. 921 01:23:56,677 --> 01:24:00,881 We descended down that crack and went underneath the iceberg. 922 01:24:01,802 --> 01:24:05,485 We were filming all these beautiful filter-feeding organisms, 923 01:24:05,566 --> 01:24:08,729 and the dive was going perfectly well. 924 01:24:14,054 --> 01:24:17,217 And then I felt the current picking up, 925 01:24:18,779 --> 01:24:24,064 and getting faster and faster, and it had literally turned now, 926 01:24:24,144 --> 01:24:26,707 and it was sweeping us into the iceberg. 927 01:24:27,788 --> 01:24:30,911 And I thought, "Ooh, this is bad." 928 01:24:30,991 --> 01:24:35,155 But simultaneously, I also had a leak in my glove, 929 01:24:35,235 --> 01:24:38,318 and my hand was soaking wet. 930 01:24:38,398 --> 01:24:41,562 And I had put up with that as long as I possibly could. 931 01:24:41,642 --> 01:24:44,204 Between the current and the pain in my hand, 932 01:24:44,284 --> 01:24:46,607 I turned to the guys and I called the dive. 933 01:24:46,687 --> 01:24:48,088 It's time to go. 934 01:24:52,773 --> 01:24:55,976 We turned around to try and escape through this tunnel. 935 01:24:58,939 --> 01:25:01,461 The current was getting too strong. 936 01:25:01,542 --> 01:25:04,745 We dug our hands into this doughy seafloor, 937 01:25:04,825 --> 01:25:08,549 like throwing up these wispy silk piles 938 01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:12,793 and displacing these animals as we tried to pull ourselves along. 939 01:25:16,797 --> 01:25:20,120 I'm fighting for my life, and I hear Wes yell, 940 01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:21,962 "Help me with the camera!" 941 01:25:22,042 --> 01:25:24,404 I'm like, "Are you kidding me? 942 01:25:24,484 --> 01:25:27,768 Fuck the camera. We've got to get out of here." 943 01:25:29,690 --> 01:25:32,973 I was doing everything I could to survive at that point, 944 01:25:33,053 --> 01:25:36,496 and I was leading the other two out of the cave. 945 01:25:36,577 --> 01:25:42,663 Well, Paul drifted back to help Wes, and I'm thinking, "I'm pissed. 946 01:25:43,544 --> 01:25:46,947 Equipment is not worth it. Let's get out of here." 947 01:26:01,882 --> 01:26:06,086 Finally we get to the point where we're at the bottom of this crevice, 948 01:26:06,166 --> 01:26:07,487 and we need to go up. 949 01:26:07,568 --> 01:26:12,092 But the current is pressing me down and back into the cave. 950 01:26:15,215 --> 01:26:21,301 And I suddenly realized that these little ice fish I'd been observing 951 01:26:21,381 --> 01:26:23,343 had created burrows in the ice, 952 01:26:23,423 --> 01:26:26,947 and I might be able to use those burrows to stick my fingers in 953 01:26:27,027 --> 01:26:29,189 and climb the ice wall. 954 01:26:29,269 --> 01:26:33,754 And I thought, "Uh-huh, you guys are pretty cool, 955 01:26:33,834 --> 01:26:35,275 but I need those holes." 956 01:26:36,036 --> 01:26:37,758 And I started using my finger 957 01:26:37,838 --> 01:26:41,481 and pressing them into the holes of the ice-fish burrows, 958 01:26:41,562 --> 01:26:45,846 and using those like a climber would to climb the ice wall. 959 01:26:45,926 --> 01:26:48,689 And Wes and Paul copied and followed, 960 01:26:48,769 --> 01:26:50,531 and we finally got up to the point 961 01:26:50,611 --> 01:26:53,774 where we now had a decompression obligation over our heads, 962 01:26:53,854 --> 01:26:57,417 and we had to stay in this freezing cold water, 963 01:26:57,497 --> 01:27:02,062 turning a one-hour dive into a three-hour ordeal. 964 01:27:11,552 --> 01:27:13,794 When I finally swam back to that boat, 965 01:27:16,116 --> 01:27:19,399 I remember the chief scientist looking down on me. 966 01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:25,245 And I'm holding on to the ladder and I'm looking up at Greg on the boat and I said, 967 01:27:25,325 --> 01:27:28,168 "The cave tried to keep us today." 968 01:27:31,171 --> 01:27:32,412 And it was true. 969 01:27:32,492 --> 01:27:36,456 I think that's as close as I've ever felt to death. 970 01:27:43,984 --> 01:27:47,467 We put our gear aside and went to have dinner. 971 01:27:50,270 --> 01:27:53,914 And then I heard screams on the deck. 972 01:27:53,994 --> 01:27:55,876 I thought, "What's going on?" 973 01:27:56,557 --> 01:27:59,680 And we ran up on deck and Wes grabbed the camera, 974 01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,723 and I couldn't believe what I was seeing. 975 01:28:16,657 --> 01:28:22,623 That cave I'd just been inside of and just narrowly escaped was no more. 976 01:28:37,397 --> 01:28:40,240 After seeing that whole iceberg collapse, 977 01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,604 and really even after just going to Antarctica, 978 01:28:44,605 --> 01:28:47,007 I felt so small, 979 01:28:47,087 --> 01:28:51,812 but I also felt the majesty and wonder of Mother Nature 980 01:28:51,892 --> 01:28:53,413 and the fragility. 981 01:28:54,134 --> 01:28:57,257 And I wanted to communicate to people about climate change 982 01:28:57,337 --> 01:28:59,860 and water issues and beauty and wonder. 983 01:28:59,940 --> 01:29:01,702 And when I shared my adventures, 984 01:29:01,782 --> 01:29:04,264 I was gonna shove a little truth in there too. 985 01:29:04,344 --> 01:29:06,627 And hopefully teach people about 986 01:29:07,427 --> 01:29:09,910 how magical this planet is, 987 01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:12,272 and how we can protect it 988 01:29:12,352 --> 01:29:15,235 if we all take care of our square foot 989 01:29:15,315 --> 01:29:18,959 and make good choices about the next step forward. 990 01:29:28,969 --> 01:29:34,735 I still ask myself this whole question about what is my legacy. 991 01:29:34,815 --> 01:29:36,216 What am I doing? 992 01:29:36,857 --> 01:29:38,979 Why am I doing this? 993 01:29:40,781 --> 01:29:46,547 And today, I think my ultimate goal is to be the woman that I wish I had met 994 01:29:46,627 --> 01:29:48,308 when I was 10 years old. 995 01:29:55,556 --> 01:29:57,758 It's been my greatest honor 996 01:29:58,398 --> 01:30:03,764 to come home and resettle myself back in Canada, 997 01:30:03,844 --> 01:30:09,089 and go into the school system and talk to kids about exploration and discovery. 998 01:30:09,730 --> 01:30:13,654 Education and outreach are critical to what I do 999 01:30:13,734 --> 01:30:15,536 and it gives me a sense of purpose. 1000 01:30:17,457 --> 01:30:21,301 I really hope that my work will inspire young girls to know 1001 01:30:21,381 --> 01:30:23,343 that anything is possible, 1002 01:30:23,423 --> 01:30:25,065 anything they want to do, 1003 01:30:25,145 --> 01:30:28,629 despite the social, cultural, or familial barriers 1004 01:30:28,709 --> 01:30:30,511 that they might be facing. 1005 01:30:30,591 --> 01:30:34,114 Anything is possible when we put our minds to it. 1006 01:30:34,194 --> 01:30:38,158 If I can give people hope and optimism, I will have done my job. 1007 01:32:01,321 --> 01:32:04,324 I've never lost sight of wanting to be an astronaut. 1008 01:32:04,404 --> 01:32:08,288 It's been really exciting for me to work with technologies underwater 1009 01:32:08,368 --> 01:32:10,490 that are now destined for space. 1010 01:32:45,726 --> 01:32:49,249 I'll be diving in one way or another for the rest of my life. 1011 01:32:51,011 --> 01:32:53,774 I feel like an earthbound astronaut. 1012 01:33:00,821 --> 01:33:05,425 I want people to really think about fear 1013 01:33:05,505 --> 01:33:08,669 and how that directs our lives, 1014 01:33:08,749 --> 01:33:11,592 how it can stifle us, 1015 01:33:11,672 --> 01:33:13,514 and how we can miss out. 1016 01:33:21,642 --> 01:33:23,443 If we don't face it and embrace it, 1017 01:33:23,524 --> 01:33:26,086 we're gonna run from it for our whole lives. 1018 01:33:29,930 --> 01:33:34,334 Without exploration and discovery, we are dead. 1019 01:33:34,414 --> 01:33:37,097 We will not progress as a society. 1020 01:33:40,861 --> 01:33:43,503 So the only answer is to face it... 1021 01:33:45,706 --> 01:33:47,267 and step into it. 1022 01:33:51,872 --> 01:33:53,393 Face the fear. 1023 01:33:55,836 --> 01:33:57,678 Step into the darkness. 1024 01:33:58,919 --> 01:34:00,200 Let your eyes adjust, 1025 01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:05,205 and then do something new for yourself and for humanity. 89767

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