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It's passed. 12 00:01:17,011 --> 00:01:22,584 It's lost, but we see it through George's eyes. 13 00:01:22,717 --> 00:01:25,419 -George Platt Lynes isn't an household name, 14 00:01:25,553 --> 00:01:29,023 and the story of his life as a little boy from New Jersey 15 00:01:29,156 --> 00:01:30,290 ending up going to France, 16 00:01:30,424 --> 00:01:32,125 knowing all these incredible people, 17 00:01:32,259 --> 00:01:34,394 producing some of the most important photography ever done, 18 00:01:34,529 --> 00:01:36,931 and then tragically, being somewhat ostracized 19 00:01:37,065 --> 00:01:39,166 and dying penniless-- 20 00:01:39,299 --> 00:01:41,803 I mean, that's a story worth knowing about. 21 00:01:47,341 --> 00:01:53,113 -George felt that his male nudes were the best of his work. 22 00:01:53,246 --> 00:01:58,987 None of it was done at the behest of any commercial entity. 23 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:04,859 He was entirely dependent on his own sense of inspiration. 24 00:02:04,993 --> 00:02:10,598 It all came out of him, so he was free. 25 00:02:10,732 --> 00:02:16,638 -That was his art, and he wasn't able to practice it legally. 26 00:02:16,771 --> 00:02:21,075 -George tells us that it wasn't always the way it is now. 27 00:02:21,208 --> 00:02:24,344 He's this great creative genius 28 00:02:24,478 --> 00:02:29,083 who was propelled by his aesthetic imagination, 29 00:02:29,216 --> 00:02:32,386 by his need to suppress his gay identity 30 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,423 and his need to express it at the same time. 31 00:02:37,859 --> 00:02:44,431 That just ground him down until he expired of a broken heart. 32 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:48,703 -I'm not sure why George Platt Lynes 33 00:02:48,836 --> 00:02:51,405 still to this day does not receive the acclaim 34 00:02:51,539 --> 00:02:53,841 that I think the work should. 35 00:02:55,843 --> 00:02:58,646 -Toward the end of his life, George destroyed 36 00:02:58,780 --> 00:03:03,751 an enormous number of his portraits of people. 37 00:03:03,885 --> 00:03:09,256 -George was very ill and conscious of what he wanted 38 00:03:09,389 --> 00:03:13,561 or didn't want to survive as his legacy. 39 00:03:15,897 --> 00:03:18,700 -Could you imagine if this legacy was lost? 40 00:03:38,619 --> 00:03:43,390 -George Platt Lynes was a very young, aspiring writer. 41 00:03:43,524 --> 00:03:45,660 -When George was 18 years old, 42 00:03:45,793 --> 00:03:48,730 his family sent him off to Paris. 43 00:04:00,373 --> 00:04:02,910 -This ambitious kid from New Jersey 44 00:04:03,044 --> 00:04:06,914 who wanted so much to be part of the cultural scene 45 00:04:07,048 --> 00:04:09,016 of his moment. 46 00:04:28,736 --> 00:04:32,874 The romance of the 1920s in Paris. 47 00:04:35,143 --> 00:04:36,944 It was the summit of all 48 00:04:37,078 --> 00:04:39,213 that anyone who was interested in culture 49 00:04:39,346 --> 00:04:42,750 could possibly have lived through. 50 00:04:42,884 --> 00:04:47,088 -That expatriate scene in Paris was laced through 51 00:04:47,221 --> 00:04:50,057 with queer relationships. 52 00:04:51,859 --> 00:04:55,229 -These modernists, all sorts of writers, visual artists, 53 00:04:55,362 --> 00:05:00,168 and dancers interacting with each other. 54 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:02,937 -They all seem to be connected by Gertrude Stein. 55 00:05:03,070 --> 00:05:07,307 She is the red thread that runs through this world. 56 00:05:10,343 --> 00:05:13,480 -The family took George to meet Gertrude Stein. 57 00:05:13,614 --> 00:05:15,382 She thought he was adorable. 58 00:05:15,516 --> 00:05:19,020 And he was part of Gertrude Stein's salon. 59 00:05:19,153 --> 00:05:21,522 -What an influence on George. 60 00:05:21,656 --> 00:05:23,958 -He's mentioned in her infamous 61 00:05:24,091 --> 00:05:26,961 "Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas" 62 00:05:27,094 --> 00:05:30,264 as "Baby." 63 00:05:30,397 --> 00:05:32,867 -George came back to the United States. 64 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,268 He was accepted at Yale. 65 00:05:34,401 --> 00:05:37,370 He wrote to Stein and he said that Yale was boring. 66 00:05:37,505 --> 00:05:39,439 It had no interest for him. 67 00:05:47,347 --> 00:05:48,916 Stein snapped back at him, 68 00:05:49,050 --> 00:05:52,787 and she said that he was supposed to go back to school. 69 00:05:55,355 --> 00:05:58,893 He told her that he wanted to go to salons in New York. 70 00:06:09,436 --> 00:06:12,405 He dropped out of Yale in 1926. 71 00:06:12,540 --> 00:06:15,576 What was he going to do? 72 00:06:15,710 --> 00:06:19,180 -George connected with the literary and art world 73 00:06:19,313 --> 00:06:20,715 in New York. 74 00:06:20,848 --> 00:06:23,718 He was introduced to Monroe Wheeler 75 00:06:23,851 --> 00:06:25,620 and to Glenway Wescott. 76 00:06:25,753 --> 00:06:28,022 Monroe and Glenway were expatriates 77 00:06:28,155 --> 00:06:30,625 who were part of the Stein circle. 78 00:06:30,758 --> 00:06:32,660 -Glenway was, in his day, 79 00:06:32,793 --> 00:06:35,596 the most famous writer in the United States. 80 00:06:35,730 --> 00:06:37,865 Early on, he acquired a lover who would be with him 81 00:06:37,999 --> 00:06:41,736 for the next 60 or 70 years-- Monroe Wheeler. 82 00:06:41,869 --> 00:06:44,138 Monroe went on to be one of the founders 83 00:06:44,272 --> 00:06:47,440 and directors of the Museum of Modern Art. 84 00:06:47,575 --> 00:06:49,744 Monroe and Glenway were famously, 85 00:06:49,877 --> 00:06:52,680 I would say, serial polygamists. 86 00:06:52,813 --> 00:06:54,515 They had an open relationship. 87 00:06:54,649 --> 00:06:56,584 In their relationship, they came usually three 88 00:06:56,717 --> 00:06:59,053 or sometimes even four. 89 00:06:59,186 --> 00:07:03,557 But the two of them had a bond that never failed. 90 00:07:03,691 --> 00:07:06,260 When Glenway came to New York, 91 00:07:06,394 --> 00:07:09,397 George went over to the hotel down in the Village 92 00:07:09,530 --> 00:07:12,633 where Glenway was staying. 93 00:07:12,767 --> 00:07:14,467 On the table, Glenway had a photograph 94 00:07:14,602 --> 00:07:16,671 of his lover Monroe. 95 00:07:16,804 --> 00:07:19,373 George picked it up, whistled. 96 00:07:19,507 --> 00:07:22,510 And we still have Glenway's journal that said, "Uh-oh." 97 00:07:23,978 --> 00:07:27,315 George went into that ménage 98 00:07:27,447 --> 00:07:32,019 and was with them for about 30 years of his life. 99 00:07:32,153 --> 00:07:34,221 So, he was the first, and I was the last. 100 00:07:39,260 --> 00:07:43,764 Glenway went back to Paris and encouraged George to visit. 101 00:07:43,898 --> 00:07:47,401 George had started a little bookstore in New Jersey. 102 00:07:47,535 --> 00:07:49,403 He sold it six months later. 103 00:07:49,537 --> 00:07:50,838 He had just enough money left over 104 00:07:50,972 --> 00:07:52,373 from the proceeds of that sale 105 00:07:52,506 --> 00:07:57,244 to buy himself a steamship ticket back to Paris. 106 00:07:57,378 --> 00:07:59,113 By then, Glenway and Monroe were living 107 00:07:59,246 --> 00:08:01,549 in Villefranche-sur-Mer, which is on the Riviera, 108 00:08:01,682 --> 00:08:06,387 and they lived in a nice hotel above a popular sailors' bar. 109 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,889 And upstairs, Jean Cocteau lived. 110 00:08:09,023 --> 00:08:10,958 One of George Lynes' first photographs 111 00:08:11,092 --> 00:08:14,228 was of Cocteau with a spyglass 112 00:08:14,362 --> 00:08:16,664 because Jean would like to sit up in his window 113 00:08:16,797 --> 00:08:19,834 and wait for the fleet to come in. 114 00:08:19,967 --> 00:08:24,739 George lived with them for another year there. 115 00:08:24,872 --> 00:08:26,941 -While in France in the late '20s, 116 00:08:27,074 --> 00:08:31,078 they made the so-called Travel Albums-- 117 00:08:31,212 --> 00:08:33,848 these very, very intimate snapshots 118 00:08:33,981 --> 00:08:36,751 and some early portraiture of George Platt Lynes, 119 00:08:36,884 --> 00:08:39,920 Glenway Wescott, and Monroe Wheeler. 120 00:08:57,905 --> 00:09:02,376 George set his sights on Monroe Wheeler. 121 00:09:02,511 --> 00:09:07,048 Whatever George went after, he invariably got. 122 00:09:07,181 --> 00:09:11,352 -George decided that he was going to love Monroe 123 00:09:11,485 --> 00:09:13,054 and that Monroe should love him, 124 00:09:13,187 --> 00:09:14,955 and that Glenway just had to be thrown in 125 00:09:15,089 --> 00:09:18,659 because that was all part of Monroe's life. 126 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,578 -George packed up and came back to New York. 127 00:09:37,711 --> 00:09:40,147 George would send Monroe letters, 128 00:09:40,281 --> 00:09:43,384 and their correspondence brought them closer. 129 00:09:43,518 --> 00:09:47,221 -At Yale, in the Beinecke Rare Book & Manuscript Library, 130 00:09:47,354 --> 00:09:50,758 they have the papers of George Platt Lynes. 131 00:09:50,891 --> 00:09:53,861 I spent a very steamy summer in the library 132 00:09:53,994 --> 00:09:58,466 reading the correspondence between Lynes, 133 00:09:58,599 --> 00:10:01,235 Glenway Wescott, and Monroe Wheeler, 134 00:10:01,368 --> 00:10:04,839 Lynes is in America, and Monroe Wheeler is in Paris. 135 00:10:04,972 --> 00:10:07,542 And the letters early in their relationship 136 00:10:07,675 --> 00:10:10,277 are really erotically charged. 137 00:10:15,416 --> 00:10:18,786 Desire is something that survives time. 138 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:20,154 It feels very fresh. 139 00:10:20,287 --> 00:10:21,856 It feels, when you're in the archive, 140 00:10:21,989 --> 00:10:24,959 that it is as new as the day he wrote it. 141 00:10:25,092 --> 00:10:28,195 "I have loved no one but you. I dream of you. 142 00:10:28,329 --> 00:10:30,965 I will do everything in my power to make you happy, 143 00:10:31,098 --> 00:10:34,201 to make you glad you came, to make you love me more. 144 00:10:34,335 --> 00:10:37,471 Believe in me." 145 00:10:37,606 --> 00:10:39,541 There are also these telegrams. 146 00:10:39,673 --> 00:10:42,476 There's one that says, "Your love has made me strong. 147 00:10:42,611 --> 00:10:45,880 I fear and regret nothing." 148 00:10:46,013 --> 00:10:47,781 I mean, some of them are so poetic. 149 00:10:47,915 --> 00:10:50,251 "All here is wind and wisteria, 150 00:10:50,384 --> 00:10:53,354 and I long for your shadowy beauty." 151 00:10:59,793 --> 00:11:02,429 This is 1928. 152 00:11:02,564 --> 00:11:04,999 I guess he was 21 years old. 153 00:11:05,132 --> 00:11:07,268 And he looked incredible. 154 00:11:11,005 --> 00:11:15,309 -George really, originally, hoped to be a writer. 155 00:11:15,442 --> 00:11:17,211 -Over a dinner with Glenway and Monroe 156 00:11:17,344 --> 00:11:20,748 when they were visiting back in New Jersey to see him, 157 00:11:20,881 --> 00:11:23,117 he was in despair because he had realized 158 00:11:23,250 --> 00:11:25,620 he didn't have the talent to be a writer. 159 00:11:25,786 --> 00:11:28,455 Now what? 160 00:11:28,590 --> 00:11:30,625 That evening, they told George, 161 00:11:30,758 --> 00:11:32,193 "Let's look at your photographs." 162 00:11:32,326 --> 00:11:33,994 The travel photographs that George had been making 163 00:11:34,128 --> 00:11:36,665 when the three of them had traveled around Europe. 164 00:11:36,797 --> 00:11:39,266 And it was Glenway who said, "George, why don't you see 165 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,702 if you can make a living doing this?" 166 00:11:41,835 --> 00:11:48,610 -Their encouragement got him serious about photography. 167 00:11:48,742 --> 00:11:52,079 -He gave himself an exhibition in his former bookshop, 168 00:11:52,213 --> 00:11:55,382 of his first portraits and some of the landscapes. 169 00:11:55,517 --> 00:11:58,052 His father giving a rare edition of "Huckleberry Finn," 170 00:11:58,185 --> 00:12:01,288 and so he sold that and that was his next steamship ticket 171 00:12:01,422 --> 00:12:02,957 back to France. 172 00:12:03,090 --> 00:12:05,392 George, by now, was fascinated with photography 173 00:12:05,527 --> 00:12:08,729 and was taking photographs of some of the artists 174 00:12:08,862 --> 00:12:10,497 and the writers and the musicians 175 00:12:10,632 --> 00:12:13,801 that clustered around Glenway and Monroe. 176 00:12:21,108 --> 00:12:25,513 -With Gertrude Stein's portrait for "Four Saints in Three Acts," 177 00:12:25,647 --> 00:12:27,414 he became a hotshot. 178 00:12:43,464 --> 00:12:48,902 -The fact that Platt Lynes was self-taught is incredible to me. 179 00:12:49,036 --> 00:12:52,540 -He managed, by dint of sheer willpower, 180 00:12:52,674 --> 00:12:56,176 to learn how to be a photographer. 181 00:12:59,079 --> 00:13:03,083 -Photographers in those days were vying to-- 182 00:13:03,217 --> 00:13:07,021 "I want to be considered an artist." 183 00:13:07,154 --> 00:13:11,025 Like, photography is art-- is it? 184 00:13:11,158 --> 00:13:13,060 -There were very few outlets. 185 00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:15,597 I mean, there were very few galleries 186 00:13:15,730 --> 00:13:17,364 that showed photography. 187 00:13:17,498 --> 00:13:20,034 Almost no museums. 188 00:13:20,167 --> 00:13:24,739 -On the third steamship trip that George made over to France, 189 00:13:24,872 --> 00:13:26,874 he had a very fortuitous voyage. 190 00:13:27,007 --> 00:13:30,010 He met the New York gallerist Julien Levy 191 00:13:30,144 --> 00:13:32,446 over a bridge game, I think it was. 192 00:13:32,580 --> 00:13:35,916 A year later, George was being invited by Julien 193 00:13:36,050 --> 00:13:38,452 to show his photographs. 194 00:13:38,586 --> 00:13:40,254 And that was really one of the first 195 00:13:40,387 --> 00:13:43,023 photography art exhibitions in New York. 196 00:13:43,157 --> 00:13:45,826 And then off he went, like a meteor. 197 00:13:45,959 --> 00:13:47,895 -Julien Levy pairs George Platt Lynes 198 00:13:48,028 --> 00:13:51,533 with Walker Evans in 1932 for an exhibition. 199 00:13:51,666 --> 00:13:53,568 It was noticed. It was reviewed. 200 00:13:53,702 --> 00:13:55,402 George is included in the first exhibition 201 00:13:55,537 --> 00:13:57,871 at the Museum of Modern Art that features photography, 202 00:13:58,005 --> 00:13:59,541 in 1932, called 203 00:13:59,674 --> 00:14:02,910 "Murals by American Painters and Photographers." 204 00:14:03,043 --> 00:14:04,612 -I think that was a monumental event 205 00:14:04,746 --> 00:14:07,448 in the early part of George Platt Lynes' career. 206 00:14:07,582 --> 00:14:10,851 -That sort of made him a name. People knew who he was. 207 00:14:10,984 --> 00:14:16,957 -Suddenly, the entire art world was looking at George. 208 00:14:17,091 --> 00:14:20,562 -George started to get fashion assignments in New York, 209 00:14:20,695 --> 00:14:23,163 and he started his first studio. 210 00:14:25,866 --> 00:14:28,135 -George's first assignment for Saks 211 00:14:28,268 --> 00:14:32,306 was photographing the feet of famous women. 212 00:14:34,375 --> 00:14:36,343 -Within a few more years, he became the most important 213 00:14:36,477 --> 00:14:38,613 fashion photographer in New York. 214 00:14:38,747 --> 00:14:41,215 He became the top of the game. 215 00:14:41,348 --> 00:14:44,118 We're talking now about a boy that's 26, 216 00:14:44,251 --> 00:14:46,186 and that was his time, that was his day, 217 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,555 and he was very successful, 218 00:14:47,689 --> 00:14:50,090 made a lot of money, and lived well. 219 00:14:50,224 --> 00:14:53,127 -I love George Platt Lynes' fashion pictures. 220 00:14:53,260 --> 00:14:55,730 I think they're so odd and beautiful. 221 00:14:55,864 --> 00:14:57,431 There was always an edge, 222 00:14:57,565 --> 00:15:01,402 something that made you think a little, that had a story. 223 00:15:04,972 --> 00:15:07,975 -There was Lynes taking these women, 224 00:15:08,108 --> 00:15:09,677 and taking these clothes, 225 00:15:09,811 --> 00:15:13,080 and putting them in the most fabulous settings 226 00:15:13,213 --> 00:15:17,217 that could've been out of a surrealist painting. 227 00:15:17,351 --> 00:15:19,019 He is creating a world 228 00:15:19,153 --> 00:15:21,321 that looks like the world of nobody else, 229 00:15:21,455 --> 00:15:25,660 especially at a time when fashion and advertising 230 00:15:25,794 --> 00:15:29,930 was trying to make everything look real. 231 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:38,105 From George Platt Lynes, we get to see a whole new way 232 00:15:38,238 --> 00:15:40,542 of looking at the 1930s. 233 00:15:56,724 --> 00:15:59,861 -It was fascinating watching my uncle work, 234 00:15:59,993 --> 00:16:03,030 and I remember going to his studio on Madison Avenue. 235 00:16:03,163 --> 00:16:04,799 -It's a lively studio. 236 00:16:04,933 --> 00:16:06,366 -Totally unpretentious. 237 00:16:06,500 --> 00:16:10,437 -He wore workman's overalls cinched at the waist. 238 00:16:10,572 --> 00:16:12,540 -Usually he would have his shirt off, 239 00:16:12,674 --> 00:16:15,442 and sometimes he'd be smoking a little Cherub. 240 00:16:15,577 --> 00:16:19,614 -He moved like poetry, like a dancer. 241 00:16:21,381 --> 00:16:22,983 -It was New York in the summer, 242 00:16:23,116 --> 00:16:26,420 so it was hotter than hell, and there's no air conditioning, 243 00:16:26,554 --> 00:16:28,288 but you've got to photograph a fur coat 244 00:16:28,422 --> 00:16:30,123 for, you know, the winter line. 245 00:16:30,257 --> 00:16:31,726 What are you going to do to make it happen? 246 00:16:31,860 --> 00:16:35,028 So, he went and got close to 50 ice blocks, 247 00:16:35,162 --> 00:16:36,698 and he made an ice-block wall. 248 00:16:36,831 --> 00:16:39,032 Which was also problematic because then they melted, 249 00:16:39,166 --> 00:16:41,536 and so it had all this water damage. 250 00:16:41,669 --> 00:16:44,939 -He did have a few innovations, like he had a ring light. 251 00:16:45,072 --> 00:16:49,611 Sometimes you see the circle in the eyes of the model. 252 00:16:49,744 --> 00:16:53,882 -He created a way of working that is kind of a template 253 00:16:54,014 --> 00:16:57,217 for a lot of photographers who came after him. 254 00:17:02,824 --> 00:17:06,628 -George Platt Lynes really, really excelled in portraiture. 255 00:17:06,761 --> 00:17:10,565 Someone who's really a master of studio control. 256 00:17:10,698 --> 00:17:11,866 Posing. 257 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,601 Lighting. 258 00:17:15,469 --> 00:17:19,007 -He just had an instinct about how to light things. 259 00:17:19,139 --> 00:17:20,440 -George devised a way of lighting 260 00:17:20,575 --> 00:17:23,210 as if it came from nowhere and everywhere. 261 00:17:23,343 --> 00:17:26,480 -A volume of light without intensity. 262 00:17:26,614 --> 00:17:28,883 George also loved the large-format camera 263 00:17:29,017 --> 00:17:32,654 because it could see with greater clarity than the eye. 264 00:17:32,787 --> 00:17:36,758 And so that's why you see incredible detail and clarity 265 00:17:36,891 --> 00:17:38,458 in his images. 266 00:17:38,593 --> 00:17:40,895 That's also why he had to put perfect subjects 267 00:17:41,029 --> 00:17:42,797 in front of the camera, too. 268 00:17:48,503 --> 00:17:51,706 -The diversity of influences was so strong. 269 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:58,111 It was mythology, surrealism, and theater. 270 00:17:58,245 --> 00:18:00,815 -They're very sensuous photographs, 271 00:18:00,949 --> 00:18:04,084 but also electrically charged. 272 00:18:04,217 --> 00:18:07,187 -He had a gay sensibility. 273 00:18:07,321 --> 00:18:08,723 -There is a lot of emotion. 274 00:18:08,856 --> 00:18:12,961 There's a lot of authentic sexual energy. 275 00:18:13,093 --> 00:18:14,494 -At Harper's Bazaar, 276 00:18:14,629 --> 00:18:17,031 Diana Vreeland in the editor's letters 277 00:18:17,164 --> 00:18:18,432 is talking about, 278 00:18:18,566 --> 00:18:22,670 "Not everybody has a jukebox in their studio, 279 00:18:22,804 --> 00:18:24,572 but Lynes does." 280 00:18:25,873 --> 00:18:29,109 -He did stuff that people weren't supposed to do, 281 00:18:29,242 --> 00:18:32,547 and he wasn't ashamed of doing it. 282 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,148 -You don't see an antecedent to his style. 283 00:18:35,282 --> 00:18:36,784 He invented it. 284 00:18:36,918 --> 00:18:40,054 -There's nothing like it anywhere else. 285 00:18:40,187 --> 00:18:43,156 -He was a genius at it. 286 00:18:43,290 --> 00:18:45,225 -He created a way of seeing. 287 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,629 He created a way of photographing. 288 00:18:47,762 --> 00:18:50,932 -He just wanted to get that moment. 289 00:18:51,065 --> 00:18:53,200 And suddenly he'd click. 290 00:18:57,337 --> 00:19:02,510 -In 1934, Europe was moving towards war, 291 00:19:02,644 --> 00:19:06,814 and Glenway and Monroe moved back to the United States 292 00:19:06,948 --> 00:19:09,249 and set up an apartment with George 293 00:19:09,383 --> 00:19:13,688 at 89th Street off of Madison Avenue. 294 00:19:13,821 --> 00:19:18,092 -Monroe and George had their own bedroom. 295 00:19:18,225 --> 00:19:21,261 -It was three guys living together. 296 00:19:21,395 --> 00:19:24,364 That worked as a beard for Wescott and Wheeler. 297 00:19:24,632 --> 00:19:28,468 -It was a threesome, as much as threesomes usually are. 298 00:19:28,603 --> 00:19:31,773 I don't think they're ever perfect. 299 00:19:31,906 --> 00:19:33,373 -All of them had lovers. 300 00:19:33,508 --> 00:19:35,143 Sometimes they were two, sometimes they were three, 301 00:19:35,275 --> 00:19:38,445 sometimes there were a ménage of four. 302 00:19:38,579 --> 00:19:41,049 -Monroe and Glenway's relationship was like US Steel. 303 00:19:41,181 --> 00:19:43,551 Nothing was going to change that. 304 00:19:43,685 --> 00:19:47,387 But also, George was part of the relationship. 305 00:19:49,157 --> 00:19:50,390 They had no rules. 306 00:19:50,525 --> 00:19:52,827 I think they're to be credited for that. 307 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,327 We're still pretty stodgy 308 00:19:54,461 --> 00:19:56,531 thinking about relationships, I think. 309 00:19:56,664 --> 00:20:01,035 -They made a triumph of their trilogy. 310 00:20:08,475 --> 00:20:11,679 -To talk about George's circle is to talk about 311 00:20:11,813 --> 00:20:15,550 a remarkable moment in cultural history. 312 00:20:15,683 --> 00:20:21,522 George was allied to some of the great transatlantic, 313 00:20:21,656 --> 00:20:25,258 cosmopolitan figures, many of whom were gay, 314 00:20:25,392 --> 00:20:28,696 or lesbian, bisexual. 315 00:20:28,830 --> 00:20:34,869 -This is the social and cultural milieu of New York, 316 00:20:35,002 --> 00:20:36,403 of the United States. 317 00:20:36,537 --> 00:20:40,273 -A circle of people who were, you know, central 318 00:20:40,407 --> 00:20:43,911 to the cultural life of their time. 319 00:20:44,045 --> 00:20:48,281 George lived in an avant-garde moment. 320 00:20:50,518 --> 00:20:54,555 -All those people sort of became like a collective. 321 00:20:57,491 --> 00:21:02,930 There's this fantastic interconnectedness. 322 00:21:03,064 --> 00:21:04,532 -The friendships, 323 00:21:04,665 --> 00:21:06,299 the intimate relationships, 324 00:21:06,433 --> 00:21:08,870 the love affairs, the fights. 325 00:21:10,938 --> 00:21:12,707 The success stories, 326 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,609 the failures. 327 00:21:36,931 --> 00:21:40,067 -People, I think, don't always appreciate 328 00:21:40,201 --> 00:21:43,604 how key that period of between the wars was 329 00:21:43,738 --> 00:21:48,776 in developing American culture. 330 00:21:48,910 --> 00:21:52,412 -These artists suddenly are ripe for rediscovery, 331 00:21:52,547 --> 00:21:56,217 for relevance to our contemporary moment. 332 00:21:56,349 --> 00:21:57,718 "The Young and The Evil" 333 00:21:57,852 --> 00:21:59,854 was an exhibition about this group of artists 334 00:21:59,987 --> 00:22:02,623 who were in New York in the '30s and '40s 335 00:22:02,757 --> 00:22:04,258 and who were friends with each other 336 00:22:04,391 --> 00:22:06,794 and were influencing each other with a lot of fluidity 337 00:22:06,928 --> 00:22:08,863 between their intellectual projects, 338 00:22:08,996 --> 00:22:12,700 their artistic projects, their social and their sexual lives. 339 00:22:12,834 --> 00:22:15,536 -When you look at the art that these guys were making, 340 00:22:15,670 --> 00:22:18,506 they were addressing it to each other. 341 00:22:18,639 --> 00:22:21,142 They're a model for a group of friends 342 00:22:21,275 --> 00:22:23,778 who are creating culture together. 343 00:22:25,412 --> 00:22:26,981 And I think what's happening now 344 00:22:27,114 --> 00:22:29,416 is there's, like, a lot of gay artists 345 00:22:29,550 --> 00:22:32,587 who are in their 20s and early 30s 346 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,690 who are making work which, in their mind, 347 00:22:35,823 --> 00:22:39,359 is coming out of new and untold freedoms 348 00:22:39,492 --> 00:22:41,529 around representing gay sexuality, 349 00:22:41,662 --> 00:22:43,931 but had this precedent that in many cases 350 00:22:44,065 --> 00:22:46,801 they're not even aware of that was nestled into 351 00:22:46,934 --> 00:22:50,104 the early part of the 20th century. 352 00:22:54,976 --> 00:22:57,011 In the case of Lynes and his friends, 353 00:22:57,144 --> 00:23:00,314 they're like the first gay American artists 354 00:23:00,447 --> 00:23:01,916 in a full sense. 355 00:23:02,049 --> 00:23:04,752 -"Oh, before Stonewall, everyone was in the closet." 356 00:23:04,886 --> 00:23:06,821 Not true. 357 00:23:26,908 --> 00:23:28,509 -It was an age in which 358 00:23:28,643 --> 00:23:31,812 cocktail parties were common. 359 00:23:38,653 --> 00:23:40,054 -If you were at a gay cocktail party, 360 00:23:40,187 --> 00:23:41,822 you were very likely to meet some gay creative types. 361 00:23:41,956 --> 00:23:44,491 Now, people don't have cocktail parties anymore. 362 00:23:46,227 --> 00:23:48,362 They don't know what they're missing. 363 00:24:08,816 --> 00:24:12,153 -There are some people whose special task in culture 364 00:24:12,286 --> 00:24:13,486 is almost like a bee. 365 00:24:13,621 --> 00:24:15,423 They're like the cross-pollinators. 366 00:24:15,556 --> 00:24:17,425 And Lynes was clearly that. 367 00:24:17,558 --> 00:24:19,527 -Everything floated around George, 368 00:24:19,660 --> 00:24:23,664 his parties, his connections. 369 00:24:23,798 --> 00:24:27,467 -Lynes lived somewhat luxuriously. 370 00:24:27,601 --> 00:24:28,836 Not even "somewhat"-- 371 00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:32,472 he was an extremely luxurious man. 372 00:24:32,606 --> 00:24:33,975 He wanted to, like, be surrounded 373 00:24:34,108 --> 00:24:38,846 by sumptuous, beautiful people and things. 374 00:24:38,980 --> 00:24:41,549 -He wanted to live, you know, a glamorous life, 375 00:24:41,682 --> 00:24:44,585 in some of the best years in the history of New York City. 376 00:24:44,719 --> 00:24:47,555 -He had dinners and cocktail parties. 377 00:24:47,688 --> 00:24:49,623 And then... 378 00:24:49,757 --> 00:24:51,692 ...people went into the bedroom. 379 00:24:51,826 --> 00:24:53,995 The party kept going. 380 00:24:54,128 --> 00:25:00,935 -It was opulent and exciting and very sexy. 381 00:25:02,703 --> 00:25:04,805 -He was drinking. He was cavorting. 382 00:25:04,939 --> 00:25:07,008 He was enjoying everyone's snappy patter. 383 00:25:07,141 --> 00:25:09,276 And there was probably a lot of snappy patter, 384 00:25:09,410 --> 00:25:12,947 you know, in New York in the '30s and '40s. 385 00:25:19,353 --> 00:25:23,224 -They're a group of people that were extremely modern 386 00:25:23,357 --> 00:25:24,925 and asking questions 387 00:25:25,059 --> 00:25:27,728 about what relationships can be on every level, 388 00:25:27,862 --> 00:25:30,731 and how they could be different. 389 00:25:30,865 --> 00:25:32,600 Part of what looks so contemporary 390 00:25:32,733 --> 00:25:34,035 about George Platt Lynes, 391 00:25:34,168 --> 00:25:36,637 and about this group of artists in general, 392 00:25:36,771 --> 00:25:40,174 is the way that their art that deals with sexuality 393 00:25:40,307 --> 00:25:41,709 seems fun. 394 00:25:41,842 --> 00:25:43,611 One of the things that's really deadly 395 00:25:43,744 --> 00:25:45,579 about looking at this group of artists, 396 00:25:45,713 --> 00:25:47,581 and about this time in history, 397 00:25:47,715 --> 00:25:49,884 is to try and be way too serious about it, 398 00:25:50,017 --> 00:25:53,487 in which it's like, "Oh, these incredible masters, 399 00:25:53,654 --> 00:25:55,556 which have been forgotten to time." 400 00:25:55,689 --> 00:25:56,957 It's like, you know, 401 00:25:57,091 --> 00:26:00,027 when Paul Cadmus and his bisexual boyfriend, 402 00:26:00,161 --> 00:26:02,596 Jared French, and Jared French's wife, 403 00:26:02,730 --> 00:26:05,633 the painter and photographer Margaret French, 404 00:26:05,766 --> 00:26:08,135 started a collaborative, they called it PaJaMa, 405 00:26:08,269 --> 00:26:10,671 which was short for the first letters of their names-- 406 00:26:10,805 --> 00:26:13,107 Paul, Jared, Margaret. 407 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,176 And PaJaMa is silly. 408 00:26:15,309 --> 00:26:16,710 Like, it's a silly name. 409 00:26:16,844 --> 00:26:18,345 And the work that they did was take pictures 410 00:26:18,479 --> 00:26:20,781 of their friends, like, naked in Fire Island. 411 00:26:20,915 --> 00:26:22,783 Like, this is not, like, the society 412 00:26:22,917 --> 00:26:25,520 for contemplating existential dread. 413 00:26:25,653 --> 00:26:29,223 Like, this is funny. 414 00:26:29,356 --> 00:26:33,894 These are people who were pushing homoeroticism in art 415 00:26:34,028 --> 00:26:35,564 to a very far point, 416 00:26:35,696 --> 00:26:39,867 as far as it had ever been done in art since antiquity. 417 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,303 And at the same time, it's important to acknowledge 418 00:26:42,436 --> 00:26:46,575 that they are buoyed on all this whole current of privilege. 419 00:26:46,707 --> 00:26:51,779 You know, they are white men who are more or less affluent. 420 00:26:51,912 --> 00:26:55,249 They were not outsiders. They were not on the margins. 421 00:26:55,382 --> 00:27:00,955 So, I think that all of these forces kind of lifted them up 422 00:27:01,088 --> 00:27:05,192 so that they were free to go so far in this one way. 423 00:27:16,237 --> 00:27:19,773 -George was as beautiful as a Greek statue. 424 00:27:21,842 --> 00:27:25,946 -He was so spectacular-looking, you know. 425 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,984 I was overcome by it. 426 00:27:30,117 --> 00:27:35,122 -I remember him always with a suntan, 427 00:27:35,256 --> 00:27:37,024 which became more and more pronounced 428 00:27:37,158 --> 00:27:40,261 as his hair became whiter and whiter. 429 00:27:43,464 --> 00:27:46,066 He was obsessed with beautiful people 430 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,203 because he knew he was one of them. 431 00:27:59,313 --> 00:28:04,519 -He didn't like not being the center of attention. 432 00:28:04,653 --> 00:28:07,955 He would charm the birds out of the trees if he could, 433 00:28:08,088 --> 00:28:11,225 usually to his own advantage. 434 00:28:16,330 --> 00:28:19,166 -Very self-centered, egotistical. 435 00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:22,436 Very loving, at the same time. 436 00:28:33,314 --> 00:28:37,484 -George could be extremely wicked, extremely catty, 437 00:28:37,619 --> 00:28:42,189 extremely devilish, didn't mince words. 438 00:28:42,323 --> 00:28:44,959 -You can just imagine this person behind the typewriter 439 00:28:45,092 --> 00:28:47,562 just popping off his letters with incredible wit, 440 00:28:47,696 --> 00:28:51,232 with incredible humor, with incredible innuendo. 441 00:29:08,215 --> 00:29:12,086 -He had a canary, and he only taught him to speak one thing, 442 00:29:12,219 --> 00:29:15,724 which was when somebody walked into the room, 443 00:29:15,856 --> 00:29:17,958 the canary always said, 444 00:29:18,092 --> 00:29:20,394 "Get a load of you." 445 00:29:23,497 --> 00:29:25,966 -George was never hidden. 446 00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:28,670 George's brother Russell was asked at one point 447 00:29:28,802 --> 00:29:31,640 when it was that George came out of the closet, 448 00:29:31,772 --> 00:29:33,107 and Russell has always said 449 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,975 that George never came out of the closet-- 450 00:29:35,109 --> 00:29:37,244 he was never in it. 451 00:29:39,581 --> 00:29:41,782 -George wanted it to be 452 00:29:41,915 --> 00:29:44,719 a perfectly normal thing of life. 453 00:29:44,852 --> 00:29:46,420 Okay, fine. So what? 454 00:29:46,554 --> 00:29:49,724 Everybody is different, thank God. 455 00:29:58,032 --> 00:30:00,501 -George had come out of this really 456 00:30:00,635 --> 00:30:04,773 straitlaced Episcopalian family, 457 00:30:04,905 --> 00:30:10,545 with a minister father and a high-society type mother, 458 00:30:10,679 --> 00:30:17,652 and here's flamboyant, fearless, unfiltered George. 459 00:30:17,786 --> 00:30:20,888 Oh, my. 460 00:30:21,021 --> 00:30:25,426 -When Monroe left and went home to Europe with Glenway, 461 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,532 George was devastated and cried on his father's shoulder 462 00:30:30,665 --> 00:30:33,267 at some point and made it quite clear 463 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,470 that Monroe was the most important person in his life. 464 00:30:36,604 --> 00:30:38,439 -His father was a Victorian gentleman. 465 00:30:38,573 --> 00:30:41,308 I mean, he knew the Oscar Wilde trials. 466 00:30:41,442 --> 00:30:45,479 He couldn't believe that George was stuck in this mess. 467 00:30:45,613 --> 00:30:47,381 George didn't think of it as a mess. 468 00:30:47,515 --> 00:30:52,620 He thought of it as a really wonderful situation. 469 00:30:52,754 --> 00:30:56,090 -Russell Lynes, who was George Platt Lynes' younger brother 470 00:30:56,223 --> 00:30:58,492 just by a couple of years, 471 00:30:58,626 --> 00:31:03,531 did everything the straight way, in every sense of that word. 472 00:31:03,665 --> 00:31:05,966 He went to Harvard. He got married. 473 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:09,738 He was an editor of Harper's Weekly. 474 00:31:09,870 --> 00:31:14,074 -Russell loved his brother, and George loved Russell. 475 00:31:14,208 --> 00:31:17,311 They were deeply devoted to one another. 476 00:31:21,415 --> 00:31:24,552 -He was my favorite uncle. 477 00:31:24,686 --> 00:31:29,022 My memories of him are, of course, very fond. 478 00:31:29,156 --> 00:31:32,025 Uncle George loved to be in the sun. 479 00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:34,228 And once we were out in the middle of this lake, 480 00:31:34,361 --> 00:31:36,897 he stripped down to a jockstrap. 481 00:31:37,030 --> 00:31:38,800 That was all he had on. 482 00:31:38,932 --> 00:31:42,236 And though I was a fairly young teenager, 483 00:31:42,369 --> 00:31:48,909 I knew that Uncle George was gay. 484 00:31:49,042 --> 00:31:51,178 And I was brought up in a family 485 00:31:51,311 --> 00:31:53,581 where it didn't matter who you were 486 00:31:53,715 --> 00:31:57,786 unless you were, you know, a right-wing Republican. 487 00:32:38,459 --> 00:32:41,261 -Lincoln Kirstein and George were classmates 488 00:32:41,395 --> 00:32:44,833 at the Berkshire School, which is a prep school. 489 00:32:44,965 --> 00:32:46,901 But it wasn't really until later, 490 00:32:47,034 --> 00:32:48,469 after George moves to New York City 491 00:32:48,603 --> 00:32:53,207 with Glenway and Monroe, that they really form a bond. 492 00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:55,275 Lincoln was a great, great supporter 493 00:32:55,409 --> 00:32:58,078 of George's work early on. 494 00:32:58,212 --> 00:32:59,614 -The thing I remember about Lincoln 495 00:32:59,747 --> 00:33:02,483 was that he was astonishingly handsome. 496 00:33:02,617 --> 00:33:05,753 I mean, he walked in a room and everybody's, "Mm?" 497 00:33:09,223 --> 00:33:10,859 We have to thank Lincoln for the fact 498 00:33:10,991 --> 00:33:14,696 that we have a major ballet company in this town. 499 00:33:18,465 --> 00:33:20,067 -With his passion for dance, 500 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,303 Lincoln Kirstein brought Balanchine to the United States. 501 00:33:23,437 --> 00:33:25,038 Started the American Ballet Company, 502 00:33:25,172 --> 00:33:27,241 which became the New York City Ballet. 503 00:33:27,374 --> 00:33:29,209 That gave George a lifetime position 504 00:33:29,343 --> 00:33:32,012 as the official photographer for the ballet, 505 00:33:32,145 --> 00:33:35,048 which he did for about 30 years. 506 00:33:41,823 --> 00:33:45,927 -George was at his best working with a group of dancers. 507 00:33:46,059 --> 00:33:49,764 -He seems very, very intuitive in exploring the body, 508 00:33:49,898 --> 00:33:51,365 exploring corporal form. 509 00:33:51,498 --> 00:33:54,602 -You think about dance as being something in motion. 510 00:33:54,736 --> 00:33:59,206 And how do you convey the magic of that experience? 511 00:33:59,339 --> 00:34:02,342 -Highly structured, very classical, very sculptural-- 512 00:34:02,476 --> 00:34:05,013 that's what Balanchine used to love about George's work. 513 00:34:05,145 --> 00:34:08,315 -Balanchine said that George Platt Lynes' photographs 514 00:34:08,448 --> 00:34:10,818 would be all that would be remembered of his work 515 00:34:10,952 --> 00:34:12,554 in 100 years. 516 00:34:20,695 --> 00:34:25,432 -Once George found the ballet, he found the guys. 517 00:34:25,567 --> 00:34:27,835 -Many of the dancers were people 518 00:34:27,969 --> 00:34:32,439 who ended up posing for him without clothes. 519 00:34:35,175 --> 00:34:37,444 -You didn't really often see photographs 520 00:34:37,579 --> 00:34:40,048 of the male nude from the 1930s. 521 00:34:46,386 --> 00:34:48,856 -There were a lot of other people who were doing 522 00:34:48,990 --> 00:34:52,259 fashion work, portrait work at that time. 523 00:34:52,392 --> 00:34:56,463 But in terms of doing the male nudes, 524 00:34:56,598 --> 00:35:01,803 George Platt Lynes is singular in that regard. 525 00:35:01,936 --> 00:35:04,772 -The nudes were an essential part of his work. 526 00:35:04,906 --> 00:35:10,110 They were the heart, the dynamo that ran everything. 527 00:35:10,243 --> 00:35:12,747 -This was the most important work to him. 528 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,383 -His true intent was the creation of art. 529 00:35:18,620 --> 00:35:21,789 -He loved the male body, and it shows. 530 00:35:21,923 --> 00:35:27,061 It's the energy, it's the tension of the photograph. 531 00:35:27,194 --> 00:35:30,330 He brought drama, he brought theatre. 532 00:35:30,464 --> 00:35:32,499 Good photographs are always demanding. 533 00:35:32,634 --> 00:35:34,068 You want to spend time with them. 534 00:35:34,201 --> 00:35:36,037 You want to flirt with them. 535 00:35:36,169 --> 00:35:38,372 You want to look at them, "Hmm, gee, 536 00:35:38,506 --> 00:35:40,608 wish I was in that room." 537 00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:44,912 -The art that he valued the most, 538 00:35:45,046 --> 00:35:46,514 these nude photographs, 539 00:35:46,648 --> 00:35:48,482 was being made in the same studios, 540 00:35:48,616 --> 00:35:51,251 in the same spaces, with the same props, 541 00:35:51,385 --> 00:35:53,554 as the advertising and fashion work. 542 00:35:53,688 --> 00:35:57,759 And you see the same props showing up again. 543 00:36:01,461 --> 00:36:03,665 -It is genuinely erotic 544 00:36:03,798 --> 00:36:06,868 and, at the same time, really sophisticated. 545 00:36:08,736 --> 00:36:10,872 This is where his strength was. 546 00:36:11,005 --> 00:36:12,472 This is where he is unique. 547 00:36:12,607 --> 00:36:16,276 This is where he stood out. 548 00:36:16,410 --> 00:36:19,747 -George Platt Lynes' strongest work 549 00:36:19,881 --> 00:36:22,382 were his male nudes. 550 00:36:22,517 --> 00:36:25,185 I think it's inevitable that that's the work 551 00:36:25,318 --> 00:36:28,890 that he will be remembered for. 552 00:36:35,195 --> 00:36:41,234 -From the very beginning, George photographed the nudes. 553 00:36:41,368 --> 00:36:43,805 -The first subject was himself. 554 00:36:43,938 --> 00:36:47,207 His first nudes were self-portraits. 555 00:36:47,340 --> 00:36:49,844 He made a valentine that he gave to his new boyfriend, 556 00:36:49,977 --> 00:36:51,278 Monroe Wheeler, 557 00:36:51,411 --> 00:36:54,481 of self-portraits that were nude. 558 00:36:54,615 --> 00:36:57,284 Late in their lives, still in Monroe's room, 559 00:36:57,417 --> 00:37:00,521 next to his bed, was that valentine. 560 00:37:00,655 --> 00:37:02,623 He kept it forever. 561 00:37:07,695 --> 00:37:13,601 -His brother, Russell, was one of his first portrait models. 562 00:37:13,735 --> 00:37:16,504 -The next series were Yale friends 563 00:37:16,637 --> 00:37:18,405 of his younger brother Russell, 564 00:37:18,539 --> 00:37:20,373 who were willing to take their clothes off, 565 00:37:20,508 --> 00:37:23,310 and George practiced on them. 566 00:37:36,090 --> 00:37:38,760 -A lot of this material that I was finding 567 00:37:38,893 --> 00:37:41,328 came from the papers of Monroe Wheeler, 568 00:37:41,461 --> 00:37:43,564 from his personal holdings that are now 569 00:37:43,698 --> 00:37:46,000 in the hands of a man named Vincent Cianni. 570 00:38:01,516 --> 00:38:03,618 -It's an amazing documentation 571 00:38:03,751 --> 00:38:07,054 of not only their love for each other, 572 00:38:07,188 --> 00:38:11,058 but the kind of very physical sexual relationship 573 00:38:11,192 --> 00:38:12,860 they had with each other. 574 00:38:27,175 --> 00:38:29,277 -So, I was going through these archives with him, 575 00:38:29,409 --> 00:38:33,247 and he pulled out these little folder of photographs. 576 00:38:33,380 --> 00:38:39,352 And in it was a brown paper envelope that they had come in, 577 00:38:39,486 --> 00:38:42,489 and on one of them it said "Intimacies," 578 00:38:42,623 --> 00:38:48,029 and on another, it said, "MW-GPL Private." 579 00:38:48,162 --> 00:38:50,631 Sounds good. 580 00:38:50,765 --> 00:38:53,801 The images that were inside them were photographs 581 00:38:53,935 --> 00:38:57,538 that have never been reproduced of George Platt Lynes 582 00:38:57,672 --> 00:39:01,876 and Monroe Wheeler in the early '30s, having sex. 583 00:39:10,350 --> 00:39:12,720 -They were basically selfies 584 00:39:12,854 --> 00:39:16,023 that they made of each other at the time. 585 00:39:19,026 --> 00:39:23,564 -What really struck me about them was the intimacy, 586 00:39:23,698 --> 00:39:29,369 the real gentleness of the sexuality in them. 587 00:39:29,503 --> 00:39:32,472 It was so sweet. 588 00:39:51,959 --> 00:39:54,061 -George Platt Lynes felt that the word pornography 589 00:39:54,195 --> 00:39:58,299 was too loosely used in describing male nudes-- 590 00:39:58,431 --> 00:40:00,701 they were immoral or somehow wrong. 591 00:40:00,835 --> 00:40:03,037 They came out of a lineage of the male nude 592 00:40:03,170 --> 00:40:06,741 in the history of art going back to antiquity. 593 00:40:06,874 --> 00:40:10,177 -The definitions between art and pornography, to me, 594 00:40:10,311 --> 00:40:12,380 it lies in the intent. 595 00:40:12,513 --> 00:40:15,316 If it's not meant to be pornography, 596 00:40:15,448 --> 00:40:17,118 I don't think that it is. 597 00:40:17,251 --> 00:40:21,889 Lynes, I think saw himself, rightfully so, as a fine artist, 598 00:40:22,023 --> 00:40:23,357 which isn't to say that fine artists 599 00:40:23,490 --> 00:40:25,059 cannot also make pornography. 600 00:40:25,192 --> 00:40:30,497 -That line between pornography and eroticism is very fine. 601 00:40:30,631 --> 00:40:32,033 -They're intimate. 602 00:40:32,166 --> 00:40:35,336 And are we to say that every intimate photograph 603 00:40:35,468 --> 00:40:38,005 is pornographic? 604 00:40:38,139 --> 00:40:40,741 -George did not like pornography. 605 00:40:40,875 --> 00:40:43,577 That didn't mean he didn't eroticize 606 00:40:43,711 --> 00:40:45,246 a lot of his photography. 607 00:40:45,379 --> 00:40:49,050 But it never went over the edge into pornography, ever. 608 00:40:49,183 --> 00:40:53,187 It was always more elegant than pornography. 609 00:40:53,321 --> 00:40:55,656 -We did discover a few pieces, though. 610 00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:57,224 -I suspect. 611 00:41:07,969 --> 00:41:09,737 -Part of what I love about Lynes' work, 612 00:41:09,870 --> 00:41:12,606 it's the first time you really see the male body 613 00:41:12,740 --> 00:41:15,309 in an art photographer's work 614 00:41:15,443 --> 00:41:20,214 without the excuse of physique or classicism. 615 00:41:20,348 --> 00:41:22,984 It's just people as they are. 616 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:27,054 At the time that Lynes was making this work, 617 00:41:27,188 --> 00:41:30,091 it was completely groundbreaking even to show the male nude 618 00:41:30,224 --> 00:41:33,461 or to have, like, an erection in a photo. 619 00:41:33,594 --> 00:41:36,130 And you see people in a way that they wouldn't have been 620 00:41:36,263 --> 00:41:40,801 able to express themselves publicly at the time. 621 00:41:40,935 --> 00:41:46,307 -You had to be very chary and wary about anything gay. 622 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,145 -These images are still dangerous and provocative. 623 00:41:51,278 --> 00:41:55,282 We can only begin to imagine what this was like 624 00:41:55,416 --> 00:42:00,988 in the 1940s and '50s, during the McCarthy years, 625 00:42:01,122 --> 00:42:05,326 when one could be jailed for this material. 626 00:42:05,459 --> 00:42:08,662 And yet, George did them. 627 00:42:08,796 --> 00:42:12,700 - The times were, um... problematic 628 00:42:12,833 --> 00:42:15,302 in terms of people within that circle 629 00:42:15,436 --> 00:42:17,605 not really sort of understanding 630 00:42:17,738 --> 00:42:19,840 the power dynamics that were going on. 631 00:42:19,974 --> 00:42:22,743 George Platt Lynes considered himself modernist. 632 00:42:22,877 --> 00:42:24,612 Modernists, it was their duty, really, 633 00:42:24,745 --> 00:42:27,815 to break social sort of artistic taboos. 634 00:42:27,948 --> 00:42:34,523 Of course, interracial relations were taboo during the period. 635 00:42:34,655 --> 00:42:38,726 Same-sex relationships were also taboo. 636 00:42:38,859 --> 00:42:40,795 So, they really loved this idea 637 00:42:40,928 --> 00:42:45,800 of mixing the erotic, the homoerotic with the racial 638 00:42:45,933 --> 00:42:48,369 as a means of showing that they're modernist, 639 00:42:48,502 --> 00:42:50,037 that they're a sort of vanguard 640 00:42:50,171 --> 00:42:52,273 you know, against the status quo. 641 00:42:52,406 --> 00:42:53,741 But at the same time, 642 00:42:53,874 --> 00:42:58,112 there's a very exploitative aspect to that. 643 00:43:00,448 --> 00:43:02,716 -It was not written about. 644 00:43:02,850 --> 00:43:04,185 The work was never published. 645 00:43:04,318 --> 00:43:08,155 It was never shown in museums or galleries. 646 00:43:10,157 --> 00:43:14,161 -When you know you're making work to share with the world, 647 00:43:14,295 --> 00:43:18,032 there's a different kind of energy that goes into that. 648 00:43:18,165 --> 00:43:20,067 When you're making work for yourself 649 00:43:20,201 --> 00:43:23,538 and for maybe a very small circle of friends, 650 00:43:23,671 --> 00:43:25,406 it can be whatever you want. 651 00:43:25,540 --> 00:43:29,143 And it can be as daring as you want to be. 652 00:43:29,276 --> 00:43:34,915 But it must have been difficult for him to be making work 653 00:43:35,049 --> 00:43:37,118 that he knew no one was going to see. 654 00:43:37,251 --> 00:43:39,588 And maybe that's part of what, the reason why 655 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:41,989 it's so potent still. 656 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:04,378 -Here I have a collection of mostly vintage 657 00:44:04,513 --> 00:44:06,515 George Platt Lynes pictures 658 00:44:06,647 --> 00:44:08,916 from different eras. 659 00:44:09,049 --> 00:44:10,718 Then a whole series of pictures 660 00:44:10,851 --> 00:44:14,288 which are of three different models together 661 00:44:14,421 --> 00:44:18,459 and a series of them sort of disrobing. 662 00:44:18,593 --> 00:44:20,394 And what we discovered 663 00:44:20,529 --> 00:44:24,899 once these were printed in a large format, 664 00:44:25,032 --> 00:44:29,203 was George had Scotch-taped their eyes closed 665 00:44:29,336 --> 00:44:33,642 to possibly have them not become aroused, 666 00:44:33,774 --> 00:44:35,176 or so he could direct them 667 00:44:35,309 --> 00:44:39,146 and they would have to just act on their own 668 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,916 without being nervous around each other. 669 00:44:42,049 --> 00:44:45,819 Or maybe because the surprise being 670 00:44:45,953 --> 00:44:47,755 that there's a third person waiting for him 671 00:44:47,888 --> 00:44:50,291 once he does arrive in bed. 672 00:44:50,424 --> 00:44:52,793 And here's the one having his underwear taken off 673 00:44:52,927 --> 00:44:54,295 by the other, and he's sort of grimacing, 674 00:44:54,428 --> 00:44:58,633 not knowing what's going to happen. 675 00:44:58,766 --> 00:45:00,367 -George was charming. 676 00:45:00,501 --> 00:45:01,802 He was able to get men 677 00:45:01,936 --> 00:45:04,205 who sometimes didn't want to remove their clothes, 678 00:45:04,338 --> 00:45:06,807 to remove their clothes and to sit for the camera. 679 00:45:06,941 --> 00:45:09,644 -He could charm any model into doing anything 680 00:45:09,777 --> 00:45:12,179 he wanted them to do. 681 00:45:12,313 --> 00:45:14,448 -George would go to the YMCA a lot. 682 00:45:14,583 --> 00:45:21,188 Or if the fleet was in, he would go down and meet the sailors. 683 00:45:21,322 --> 00:45:23,958 He can photograph the toughest-looking guy 684 00:45:24,091 --> 00:45:27,261 and make him look like a million bucks. 685 00:45:28,597 --> 00:45:32,266 He didn't care really so much what you did in your life. 686 00:45:32,399 --> 00:45:35,537 He cared about who you really were. 687 00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:38,072 You know, you can feel that. 688 00:45:38,205 --> 00:45:41,676 -George's models were lovers, friends, 689 00:45:41,809 --> 00:45:43,545 the physically perfect ones. 690 00:45:43,678 --> 00:45:46,046 -Some of the models did come from ballet. 691 00:45:46,180 --> 00:45:48,449 Some of the models were hustlers. 692 00:45:48,583 --> 00:45:53,454 Some of them were gymnasts or athletes. 693 00:45:53,588 --> 00:45:55,356 -There are so many people in these photographs 694 00:45:55,489 --> 00:45:57,258 that I don't know and that I can never know. 695 00:45:57,391 --> 00:46:00,528 We don't have much information about them anymore. 696 00:46:05,466 --> 00:46:07,301 -This is one of the first photographs 697 00:46:07,434 --> 00:46:09,870 he took of me 698 00:46:10,004 --> 00:46:13,508 when I first met him in the studio. 699 00:46:20,047 --> 00:46:23,217 Yes, I did do some modeling for him. 700 00:46:25,252 --> 00:46:27,555 He filmed me because he liked me. 701 00:46:27,689 --> 00:46:30,291 He wanted to take my picture. 702 00:46:30,424 --> 00:46:33,728 So, he took some nudes of me and so forth. 703 00:46:39,601 --> 00:46:41,001 -Glenway Wescott 704 00:46:41,135 --> 00:46:43,605 introduced me to George at a party of George's. 705 00:46:43,738 --> 00:46:48,108 George was famous for giving a lot of parties. 706 00:46:48,242 --> 00:46:50,811 Glenway asked him to photograph me. 707 00:46:50,944 --> 00:46:56,150 And George scheduled not one but three different sessions. 708 00:46:56,283 --> 00:46:58,919 I was very happy with that, I can tell you. 709 00:46:59,053 --> 00:47:04,325 To be photographed by him was as though we were just chatting. 710 00:47:04,458 --> 00:47:06,661 'Cause he always seemed to be looking the other way 711 00:47:06,795 --> 00:47:08,896 when he was taking a shot. 712 00:47:09,029 --> 00:47:10,964 George wanted to catch you at a moment 713 00:47:11,098 --> 00:47:14,636 when you were least expecting it. 714 00:47:14,769 --> 00:47:17,572 I liked it. I loved it. 715 00:49:08,883 --> 00:49:10,618 -George had fallen in love 716 00:49:10,752 --> 00:49:15,255 with a studio assistant of his, George Tichenor. 717 00:49:17,090 --> 00:49:19,092 Tichenor went off to war 718 00:49:19,226 --> 00:49:22,530 and was, unfortunately, killed in the war. 719 00:49:35,677 --> 00:49:38,345 George then took up with Tichenor's younger brother, 720 00:49:38,479 --> 00:49:41,081 Jonathan, famously declaring, 721 00:49:41,215 --> 00:49:43,116 "If I can't have the Tichenor I want, 722 00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:46,987 I'll take the Tichenor I can get." 723 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,592 This was circa 1945. 724 00:49:50,725 --> 00:49:55,262 George decided to leave the domestic arrangement 725 00:49:55,395 --> 00:49:58,633 and move in with Jonathan Tichenor. 726 00:49:58,766 --> 00:50:02,202 And Glenway Wescott was so mortified that-- 727 00:50:02,336 --> 00:50:05,974 that George would so openly declare his homosexuality 728 00:50:06,106 --> 00:50:10,143 in this kind of way, as though all of New York society 729 00:50:10,277 --> 00:50:13,748 didn't already well know what the three men 730 00:50:13,882 --> 00:50:16,250 had been doing all these years 731 00:50:16,383 --> 00:50:18,686 living in a heap together. 732 00:50:43,678 --> 00:50:47,615 -George had lunch regularly at the Plaza Hotel. 733 00:50:47,749 --> 00:50:50,050 It was right across the street from his studio 734 00:50:50,183 --> 00:50:51,686 on Madison and 60th. 735 00:50:51,819 --> 00:50:54,689 And he invited his sister-in-law, Mildred, 736 00:50:54,822 --> 00:50:57,025 to lunch so that he could introduce her 737 00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:59,326 to his new boyfriend, Jonathan. 738 00:50:59,459 --> 00:51:01,763 He pulled out a box with a ring in it, 739 00:51:01,896 --> 00:51:03,330 and he said to Mildred, 740 00:51:03,463 --> 00:51:06,433 "Jonathan and I are going to be married." 741 00:51:06,568 --> 00:51:11,405 Well, Mildred tells us that she was flabbergasted. 742 00:51:11,539 --> 00:51:15,142 She said, "The homosexuality was fine, it was one thing. 743 00:51:15,275 --> 00:51:17,545 But the fantasy of getting married 744 00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:22,382 was something completely off the wall." 745 00:51:22,517 --> 00:51:25,485 There was a kind of visionary quality, 746 00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:30,190 a sort of genius, to George's fantasies. 747 00:51:53,146 --> 00:51:58,452 -George suddenly declares that he has accepted a position 748 00:51:58,586 --> 00:52:01,388 running the Vogue Studios in Hollywood, 749 00:52:01,522 --> 00:52:03,858 which everyone in the circle thought 750 00:52:03,992 --> 00:52:07,294 was a tremendous mistake. 751 00:52:07,427 --> 00:52:11,733 -I think he rather imagined that this was going to be 752 00:52:11,866 --> 00:52:15,268 a terrific career boost. 753 00:52:15,402 --> 00:52:17,872 -He goes out there after going through not one, 754 00:52:18,006 --> 00:52:20,074 but two bankruptcies. 755 00:52:20,207 --> 00:52:22,342 He always lived beyond his means. 756 00:52:22,476 --> 00:52:24,177 He was always looking for more. 757 00:52:24,311 --> 00:52:27,147 His lifestyle was never rich enough. 758 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,551 -Money was the bane of his existence. 759 00:52:30,685 --> 00:52:34,756 He simply did not know how to constrain himself financially. 760 00:52:34,889 --> 00:52:37,224 -You know, you have to admire people 761 00:52:37,357 --> 00:52:40,762 who don't worry about how to pay the rent 762 00:52:40,895 --> 00:52:44,666 and just want to make art and somehow survive. 763 00:52:47,068 --> 00:52:51,973 -George was enamored of fortune tellers, 764 00:52:52,106 --> 00:52:55,208 astrologists, numerologists, 765 00:52:55,342 --> 00:52:59,681 and often consulted them throughout his life, 766 00:52:59,814 --> 00:53:03,117 at a moment when he kind of was looking for 767 00:53:03,250 --> 00:53:06,888 a way to make the next decision, make the next move. 768 00:53:07,021 --> 00:53:11,793 And I sometimes felt like he was shopping around for his future. 769 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:18,398 -He's trying to start anew with Condé Nast in Los Angeles. 770 00:53:18,533 --> 00:53:20,802 He does some remarkable portrait work there. 771 00:53:20,935 --> 00:53:24,772 -Despite photographing some of the great beauties 772 00:53:24,906 --> 00:53:28,208 and iconic male heartthrobs of the period, 773 00:53:28,341 --> 00:53:31,679 it was a bit of a shit show. 774 00:53:31,813 --> 00:53:35,149 Life in Hollywood, at the standard George wanted to live, 775 00:53:35,282 --> 00:53:36,918 was goddamn expensive. 776 00:53:37,051 --> 00:53:40,287 He bought a house. He had to have it decorated. 777 00:53:40,420 --> 00:53:43,024 It had to be designed to the nines. 778 00:53:43,157 --> 00:53:45,059 He threw parties there. 779 00:53:45,193 --> 00:53:47,427 It just ate up money. 780 00:53:47,562 --> 00:53:51,331 -He soon finds himself in financial straits again. 781 00:53:51,465 --> 00:53:55,469 He suffers from living beyond his means. 782 00:53:55,603 --> 00:53:57,872 -And he kind of knew, at a certain point, 783 00:53:58,005 --> 00:54:02,543 that he should have stayed in New York. 784 00:54:02,677 --> 00:54:04,311 -George said this, that, 785 00:54:04,444 --> 00:54:07,115 "It's one of the most homosexual towns, 786 00:54:07,247 --> 00:54:10,051 but it's so anti-homosexual." 787 00:54:10,184 --> 00:54:14,555 He deeply missed New York, and he missed his friends. 788 00:54:14,689 --> 00:54:17,525 -He starts to suffer depression. 789 00:54:17,658 --> 00:54:20,762 He begins to lose interest in even making photographs. 790 00:54:20,895 --> 00:54:22,563 And if you look at the correspondence, 791 00:54:22,697 --> 00:54:24,532 especially with Bernard Perlin, there's a futility, 792 00:54:24,665 --> 00:54:26,801 and there's a self-destructive... 793 00:54:26,934 --> 00:54:29,269 or almost a, um... 794 00:54:29,402 --> 00:54:32,507 a wanting for it to be over. 795 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:38,780 So, George comes back to New York in '48, bankrupt. 796 00:54:38,913 --> 00:54:42,583 He's forced to, you know, borrow money from friends. 797 00:54:42,717 --> 00:54:47,054 -The studio space that he left in New York was taken over 798 00:54:47,188 --> 00:54:52,693 by a young fashion photographer named Richard Avedon. 799 00:54:52,827 --> 00:54:54,595 -Here's a person who's still relatively young. 800 00:54:54,729 --> 00:54:56,296 He's only in his 40s. 801 00:54:56,429 --> 00:55:00,433 One would think he still has a lot to give, a lot to do. 802 00:55:00,568 --> 00:55:02,469 But I think he lacked the discipline 803 00:55:02,603 --> 00:55:03,971 that some of the photographers 804 00:55:04,105 --> 00:55:07,108 who really come to the forefront in the '40s-- 805 00:55:07,241 --> 00:55:10,377 I'm thinking specifically of Richard Avedon and Irving Penn. 806 00:55:10,511 --> 00:55:12,113 -There was this real shift 807 00:55:12,246 --> 00:55:15,283 in terms of what was happening in magazines. 808 00:55:18,252 --> 00:55:20,453 -Alright, Marcel! Lights! 809 00:55:20,588 --> 00:55:23,423 -The movie "Funny Face" with Fred Astaire 810 00:55:23,558 --> 00:55:25,226 and Audrey Hepburn 811 00:55:25,358 --> 00:55:27,795 is about Dick Avedon. 812 00:55:27,929 --> 00:55:31,265 -Holy-moly! You look fabulous! 813 00:55:31,398 --> 00:55:33,901 Stop! Stop! 814 00:55:34,035 --> 00:55:36,469 -I can't stop! Take the picture! 815 00:55:36,604 --> 00:55:38,506 -That famous scene where Audrey Hepburn's 816 00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:40,575 running down the stairs of the Louvre 817 00:55:40,708 --> 00:55:43,978 is emblematic of what fashion photography 818 00:55:44,111 --> 00:55:47,548 had become, and George Platt Lynes 819 00:55:47,682 --> 00:55:49,482 had never taken pictures like that. 820 00:55:49,617 --> 00:55:52,286 His pictures were much more classical. 821 00:55:52,419 --> 00:55:55,089 They were quieter. 822 00:55:55,223 --> 00:55:57,859 They were just more static. 823 00:56:25,887 --> 00:56:30,725 -He was a has-been by the late '40s. 824 00:56:30,858 --> 00:56:34,195 -The high-living days, the glory days are over. 825 00:56:34,328 --> 00:56:36,063 He's been supplanted. 826 00:56:36,197 --> 00:56:37,965 -George Platt Lynes, he was embraced 827 00:56:38,099 --> 00:56:40,601 by the titans of New York modernism. 828 00:56:40,735 --> 00:56:43,104 He was reaching a level of success 829 00:56:43,237 --> 00:56:44,672 very early on in his career. 830 00:56:44,805 --> 00:56:46,741 In a way, he just kind of burns out. 831 00:56:46,874 --> 00:56:50,211 He wanted to show the work that he considered his best, 832 00:56:50,344 --> 00:56:51,545 which is the male nude, 833 00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:53,381 and there were no outlets for that. 834 00:56:53,514 --> 00:56:57,151 I'm certain that added to that futility, to that depression, 835 00:56:57,285 --> 00:56:58,519 and, you know, he was just... 836 00:56:58,653 --> 00:57:01,956 he was, you know, painted into a corner. 837 00:57:03,456 --> 00:57:08,763 -In the early '50s, he was assessed for back taxes. 838 00:57:08,896 --> 00:57:12,099 The IRS forced him to sell off 839 00:57:12,233 --> 00:57:15,435 basically all of his professional life. 840 00:57:15,569 --> 00:57:19,807 -His brother Russell rescued it by buying it back from IRS 841 00:57:19,941 --> 00:57:22,610 and then lent it all back to George. 842 00:57:22,743 --> 00:57:26,547 -My father put up with him. 843 00:57:26,681 --> 00:57:29,750 Though we loved him, he was not easy. 844 00:57:29,884 --> 00:57:32,420 -They had to bail him out again and again. 845 00:57:32,553 --> 00:57:38,025 They discovered that he had given his Picasso as collateral 846 00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:41,461 to someone else as well. 847 00:57:41,595 --> 00:57:43,564 -It must have been extremely demoralizing 848 00:57:43,698 --> 00:57:45,498 to have this happen to him. 849 00:57:53,741 --> 00:57:55,776 -It was a very important relationship 850 00:57:55,910 --> 00:58:00,815 between Bernard Perlin and George Platt Lynes. 851 00:58:09,690 --> 00:58:12,159 -From the late '40s through the early '50s, 852 00:58:12,293 --> 00:58:16,530 Bernard had gone to live and paint in Rome. 853 00:58:44,925 --> 00:58:47,995 -George's letters were delicious. 854 00:58:48,129 --> 00:58:51,599 Sharing updates on their lives, 855 00:58:51,732 --> 00:58:54,535 certainly on their sexual conquests. 856 00:59:59,166 --> 01:00:02,336 -Right away, he arrives in New York on the 16th. 857 01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:06,040 He calls George instantly while he's waiting on the docks 858 01:00:06,173 --> 01:00:07,842 for them to unload his Vespa. 859 01:00:07,975 --> 01:00:09,743 Goes right to George's that evening, 860 01:00:09,877 --> 01:00:12,713 and he's there for months thereafter. 861 01:00:12,847 --> 01:00:15,716 And you can see the parties. 862 01:00:17,818 --> 01:00:21,722 They were both men who were avid pursuers 863 01:00:21,856 --> 01:00:24,658 of the sensual pleasures of life. 864 01:00:24,792 --> 01:00:29,130 Bernard moved into a spare room at George's apartment 865 01:00:29,263 --> 01:00:34,201 and was involved in various all-boys soirees. 866 01:00:34,335 --> 01:00:39,508 One story he told was of how inventive George Lyons could be, 867 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,777 and there was apparently an evening alone together, 868 01:00:43,911 --> 01:00:45,580 after one of George's dinner parties 869 01:00:45,713 --> 01:00:47,681 had broken up for the night, 870 01:00:47,815 --> 01:00:51,352 that George got a fire going in the fireplace, laid out... 871 01:00:51,485 --> 01:00:54,388 Jared French designed needlepoint pillows, 872 01:00:54,523 --> 01:00:56,490 and on the pillows, 873 01:00:56,625 --> 01:00:59,393 George produced an ice cube. 874 01:01:29,156 --> 01:01:33,827 -George was incredibly inventive, incredibly playful, 875 01:01:33,961 --> 01:01:37,666 and highly exploratory and sensual. 876 01:01:49,678 --> 01:01:53,548 -He must have been very charming because he got around. 877 01:01:53,682 --> 01:01:56,116 -George was a hungry soul. 878 01:01:56,250 --> 01:01:59,186 -Oh, he was in love with a lot of people. 879 01:02:03,057 --> 01:02:08,697 -I think everything that George did was fueled by sexual energy, 880 01:02:08,829 --> 01:02:15,402 and the boys were fuel for George. 881 01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:18,806 George loved the attention, 882 01:02:18,939 --> 01:02:22,076 and I think he also loved the conquest. 883 01:02:22,209 --> 01:02:25,547 -As long as they were young and good-looking, 884 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,115 he liked to photograph them. 885 01:02:43,998 --> 01:02:46,267 -"Dougie"-- Laurie Douglas-- 886 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,604 was a fashion model in the 1940s, 887 01:02:49,738 --> 01:02:54,141 and in fact, became George Lynes' favorite model. 888 01:02:54,275 --> 01:02:58,112 He used her frequently in his work, in his fashion work, 889 01:02:58,245 --> 01:03:05,819 but also in his fine art photography, to call it that. 890 01:03:05,953 --> 01:03:11,559 They became not only creatively collaborative 891 01:03:11,693 --> 01:03:13,260 in his-- in his studio, 892 01:03:13,394 --> 01:03:16,397 but they became very, very close, very close friends. 893 01:03:16,531 --> 01:03:22,903 Interestingly enough, George, who was a devout homosexual, 894 01:03:23,037 --> 01:03:26,741 fell into a sort of on-again, off-again 895 01:03:26,874 --> 01:03:30,344 sexual relationship with Dougie. 896 01:03:30,477 --> 01:03:35,816 She was incredibly accepting of this wild world 897 01:03:35,949 --> 01:03:38,852 of these high-society gay men 898 01:03:38,986 --> 01:03:42,423 and all of their various exploits. 899 01:03:49,664 --> 01:03:52,701 There was a certain kind of sadistic element 900 01:03:52,833 --> 01:03:55,436 in certain episodes. 901 01:03:55,570 --> 01:03:59,273 -His behavior, seen from today's standards, 902 01:03:59,406 --> 01:04:02,811 might look, um... aggressive. 903 01:04:02,943 --> 01:04:04,211 Let's put it that way. 904 01:04:04,345 --> 01:04:05,979 -There was a moment when Bernard Perlin 905 01:04:06,113 --> 01:04:08,516 was staying with George in his apartment, 906 01:04:08,650 --> 01:04:10,951 and Dougie was there. 907 01:04:11,085 --> 01:04:12,486 It's nighttime. They're all asleep. 908 01:04:12,620 --> 01:04:14,154 And all of a sudden, Bernard says 909 01:04:14,288 --> 01:04:16,090 he was awakened in the middle of the night. 910 01:04:16,223 --> 01:04:18,058 And it's George Platt Lynes saying, 911 01:04:18,192 --> 01:04:22,062 "Perlin, get in here. Fuck Dougie." 912 01:04:22,196 --> 01:04:24,666 And Bernard told me this story about, you know, 913 01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:26,534 how, you know, he has to get up, 914 01:04:26,668 --> 01:04:29,203 he has to go in the bedroom, he has to make love to Dougie, 915 01:04:29,336 --> 01:04:30,938 and George is there, basically, you know, 916 01:04:31,071 --> 01:04:34,208 watching and recording. 917 01:04:34,341 --> 01:04:38,580 The stories are quite bawdy sometimes, very, very explicit. 918 01:04:38,713 --> 01:04:40,682 On another evening with a young model 919 01:04:40,815 --> 01:04:42,883 named Gary Garrett, 920 01:04:43,016 --> 01:04:45,986 and George likewise pounded on the wall 921 01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,455 between their bedrooms-- "Perlin, get in here!" 922 01:04:48,590 --> 01:04:55,229 And on entering, the young man was face-down on the bed. 923 01:04:55,362 --> 01:04:56,997 George was in a chair, 924 01:04:57,131 --> 01:05:01,101 and George instructed Bernard to mount Gary 925 01:05:01,235 --> 01:05:04,238 because Gary had just had a hemorrhoidectomy, 926 01:05:04,371 --> 01:05:08,242 and George's philosophy was that he should 927 01:05:08,375 --> 01:05:10,944 remount the horse as soon as possible 928 01:05:11,078 --> 01:05:17,217 and that Bernard just proceed and do this young man a service. 929 01:05:19,754 --> 01:05:22,189 It seemed to me 930 01:05:22,322 --> 01:05:25,827 somewhat, you know, manipulative and sadistic. 931 01:05:33,233 --> 01:05:35,870 -♪ It's too darn hot ♪ 932 01:05:36,003 --> 01:05:38,472 ♪ It's too darn hot ♪ 933 01:05:38,606 --> 01:05:40,708 -Kinsey was introduced to George Platt Lynes 934 01:05:40,842 --> 01:05:43,444 through Glenway Wescott and Monroe Wheeler. 935 01:05:43,578 --> 01:05:46,548 -There was such admiration for Dr. Kinsey. 936 01:05:46,681 --> 01:05:49,316 Their literary circle, they were just all in thrall 937 01:05:49,450 --> 01:05:51,553 to the research that he was doing, and they were so eager 938 01:05:51,686 --> 01:05:54,021 to participate because no one had done that 939 01:05:54,154 --> 01:05:56,423 kind of focused study on homosexuality. 940 01:05:56,558 --> 01:06:01,395 It was a marvelous declaration of hope and acceptance 941 01:06:01,529 --> 01:06:02,697 for them. 942 01:06:02,831 --> 01:06:05,365 -♪ According to the Kinsey Report ♪ 943 01:06:05,499 --> 01:06:08,736 ♪ Every average man you know ♪ 944 01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:11,138 -George and Kinsey hit it off. 945 01:06:11,271 --> 01:06:14,943 -He needed an expert on homosexuality among men. 946 01:06:15,075 --> 01:06:17,177 -Kinsey became fascinated 947 01:06:17,311 --> 01:06:21,181 with the world that George knew. 948 01:06:21,315 --> 01:06:24,117 They got along famously. 949 01:06:24,251 --> 01:06:28,923 -♪ 'Cause it's too, too, too darn hot ♪ 950 01:06:29,056 --> 01:06:31,960 ♪ It's too darn hot ♪ 951 01:06:32,125 --> 01:06:37,331 ♪ It's too, too darn hot ♪ 952 01:06:38,465 --> 01:06:40,234 -Dr. Kinsey had just published 953 01:06:40,367 --> 01:06:42,102 "Sexuality in the Human Male" 954 01:06:42,236 --> 01:06:44,104 and was looking for more artistic 955 01:06:44,238 --> 01:06:46,306 and photographic representations 956 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,477 of the nude male, of gay men. 957 01:06:50,612 --> 01:06:55,950 -Kinsey immediately started collecting work from George. 958 01:06:56,083 --> 01:06:59,554 -Kinsey would frequently come to New York 959 01:06:59,687 --> 01:07:03,758 and would attend some of these all-male parties 960 01:07:03,892 --> 01:07:05,827 at George Lynes'. 961 01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,327 He was there as voyeur. 962 01:07:07,461 --> 01:07:09,396 He would be sitting on the sofa 963 01:07:09,531 --> 01:07:12,667 with his notebook, watching. 964 01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,435 -Kinsey is known to have said that he thought 965 01:07:15,570 --> 01:07:19,072 that Lynes himself was one of the most tender lovers 966 01:07:19,206 --> 01:07:23,912 he'd ever had the chance to watch. 967 01:07:24,044 --> 01:07:25,713 -For him, it was taxonomic. 968 01:07:25,847 --> 01:07:29,349 It was-- It was so-called proof of homosexuality. 969 01:07:29,483 --> 01:07:31,953 -♪ It's too darn hot ♪ 970 01:07:32,085 --> 01:07:38,693 ♪ It's too darn hot ♪ 971 01:07:38,826 --> 01:07:41,228 -The conversations about 972 01:07:41,361 --> 01:07:43,631 just how the hell they were gonna get the photographs 973 01:07:43,765 --> 01:07:47,535 from New York to Bloomington, Indiana... 974 01:07:47,669 --> 01:07:51,673 In some ways, just takes you back. 975 01:08:08,155 --> 01:08:12,359 -George was afraid that this legacy of the male nudes, 976 01:08:12,492 --> 01:08:15,162 which he considered his most important work, 977 01:08:15,295 --> 01:08:17,565 would disappear. 978 01:08:17,699 --> 01:08:20,568 Who would want them? Who would take care of them? 979 01:08:20,702 --> 01:08:25,439 -Lynes is worried that anyplace that they go, 980 01:08:25,573 --> 01:08:28,042 these really erotic nudes, 981 01:08:28,175 --> 01:08:31,111 something could happen to them. 982 01:08:31,244 --> 01:08:32,880 -Are you a member of the Communist Party 983 01:08:33,014 --> 01:08:34,949 or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? 984 01:08:35,083 --> 01:08:38,418 -This was the McCarthy era, the Red Scare era, 985 01:08:38,553 --> 01:08:42,422 and it was also the Lavender Scare era. 986 01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:48,495 -And there were witch hunts for homosexuals. 987 01:08:51,131 --> 01:08:57,071 -Gay men and lesbians were also under suspicion. 988 01:09:04,646 --> 01:09:08,116 -Homosexuality was the biggest taboo. 989 01:09:08,248 --> 01:09:10,084 Everyone was terrified of it. 990 01:09:19,694 --> 01:09:24,197 -It was illegal to put the work in an envelope 991 01:09:24,331 --> 01:09:28,168 and send it across state lines. 992 01:09:28,301 --> 01:09:29,871 -They could have been arrested 993 01:09:30,004 --> 01:09:34,441 for the transport of these "filthy" images. 994 01:09:34,575 --> 01:09:37,045 It was hot and dangerous stuff. 995 01:09:42,817 --> 01:09:46,286 -When Lynes started thinking in a more sort of pointed way 996 01:09:46,420 --> 01:09:49,624 about his legacy, it was really his relationship with Kinsey 997 01:09:49,757 --> 01:09:51,191 that I think made him realize 998 01:09:51,324 --> 01:09:52,760 that the Institute for Sex Research, 999 01:09:52,894 --> 01:09:54,529 then to be called the Kinsey Institute, 1000 01:09:54,662 --> 01:09:56,430 would be a safe space for his work 1001 01:09:56,564 --> 01:09:59,634 to sort of be protected and preserved. 1002 01:10:09,577 --> 01:10:12,146 So, that's how we are lucky enough to have 1003 01:10:12,279 --> 01:10:14,949 this wonderful treasure trove. 1004 01:10:43,711 --> 01:10:47,515 -He was staring down a barrel without knowing it. 1005 01:10:48,983 --> 01:10:52,120 -I was supposed to meet him at the Plaza Hotel. 1006 01:10:52,252 --> 01:10:55,388 I saw this old man wandering around the lobby there, 1007 01:10:55,523 --> 01:10:58,760 and I didn't know it was George. 1008 01:10:58,893 --> 01:11:02,262 And he had on a black, ragged raincoat 1009 01:11:02,395 --> 01:11:06,834 and long hair, which he had curled. 1010 01:11:07,001 --> 01:11:12,339 He was obviously not himself, not like he used to be. 1011 01:11:34,662 --> 01:11:40,400 -He wanted to relive his youth in Paris. 1012 01:11:40,535 --> 01:11:44,038 He was as excited as could be. 1013 01:11:44,172 --> 01:11:47,307 -His trip to Paris, 1014 01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:50,410 which he hoped would rejuvenate him, 1015 01:11:50,545 --> 01:11:52,312 but it didn't. 1016 01:11:58,786 --> 01:12:00,254 -By the time he came back, 1017 01:12:00,387 --> 01:12:03,090 he was almost immediately hospitalized. 1018 01:12:11,431 --> 01:12:16,503 -The devastation of cancer, and the devastation was monumental. 1019 01:12:16,637 --> 01:12:18,438 I mean, it started in his lungs 1020 01:12:18,573 --> 01:12:20,274 and eventually went to his brain. 1021 01:12:20,407 --> 01:12:22,176 -What a waste. 1022 01:12:36,657 --> 01:12:38,593 -We went to the ballet a couple of times 1023 01:12:38,726 --> 01:12:43,396 after he got sick, even from the hospital. 1024 01:12:43,531 --> 01:12:46,499 He was in bed at the hospital, of course. 1025 01:12:46,634 --> 01:12:48,135 But he would get dressed, 1026 01:12:48,269 --> 01:12:52,974 we'd take a taxi from the hospital and go to the theater. 1027 01:12:58,980 --> 01:13:01,115 -He got out of his hospital gown, 1028 01:13:01,249 --> 01:13:03,351 put on his suit and tie, 1029 01:13:03,483 --> 01:13:06,386 and went AWOL to go to the ballet. 1030 01:13:12,326 --> 01:13:15,796 -Only Uncle George would have gotten out of a hospital bed 1031 01:13:15,930 --> 01:13:20,101 and gone AWOL, to the distress of an entire nursing staff. 1032 01:13:20,234 --> 01:13:24,105 Not too many people would have the balls to pull that one off. 1033 01:13:27,575 --> 01:13:29,143 Came back, took his clothes off, and got in-- 1034 01:13:29,277 --> 01:13:32,980 back into bed, and died within the next few days. 1035 01:13:43,490 --> 01:13:46,661 -George was 47 when he died. 1036 01:14:01,375 --> 01:14:07,480 -I think about these things now that I'm older. 1037 01:14:07,615 --> 01:14:10,851 It seems like such a long time ago now. 1038 01:14:10,985 --> 01:14:15,022 But George reoccurs in my dreams occasionally. 1039 01:14:27,702 --> 01:14:29,270 There was a large crowd of people 1040 01:14:29,403 --> 01:14:34,375 that came to George's funeral at Saint George's church. 1041 01:14:34,508 --> 01:14:37,945 -The funeral was extremely well-attended. 1042 01:14:38,079 --> 01:14:41,282 All of his model friends, all of his friends in fashion. 1043 01:14:41,415 --> 01:14:46,387 -There have been rumors that there was an all-male orgy 1044 01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:52,460 that happened as a sort of celebratory send-off to George. 1045 01:14:52,626 --> 01:14:53,761 -I went to the funeral. 1046 01:14:53,894 --> 01:14:55,429 I don't remember there being any orgy, 1047 01:14:55,563 --> 01:14:58,099 but there could've been. 1048 01:14:58,232 --> 01:15:00,401 He had gang bangs. 1049 01:15:11,412 --> 01:15:14,415 -Near the end of his life, George destroyed his early work, 1050 01:15:14,548 --> 01:15:17,018 all of his fashion work. 1051 01:15:23,424 --> 01:15:25,659 -George was destroying so many 1052 01:15:25,793 --> 01:15:30,131 of those absolutely wonderful portraits. 1053 01:15:34,769 --> 01:15:36,237 It was just George. 1054 01:15:50,951 --> 01:15:52,353 -When George passed away, 1055 01:15:52,486 --> 01:15:56,557 George had entrusted his photographic negatives 1056 01:15:56,690 --> 01:15:59,693 and many of his prints to Bernard, 1057 01:15:59,827 --> 01:16:04,198 and named Bernard his artistic executor. 1058 01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:22,383 Bernard revered George, he adored George. 1059 01:16:22,517 --> 01:16:26,521 In fact, Bernard passed away in his bedroom 1060 01:16:26,654 --> 01:16:28,923 with a view of this photo. 1061 01:16:36,430 --> 01:16:37,698 -My name is Rebecca. 1062 01:16:37,832 --> 01:16:39,400 I'm the manager of traveling exhibitions 1063 01:16:39,534 --> 01:16:42,303 for the Kinsey Institute. 1064 01:16:42,436 --> 01:16:47,708 I have been in the art world for a long time. 1065 01:16:47,842 --> 01:16:50,244 I'd never heard of George Platt Lynes. 1066 01:16:50,377 --> 01:16:54,048 And I was actually really upset by that 1067 01:16:54,181 --> 01:16:59,220 because his work is so phenomenally beautiful. 1068 01:16:59,353 --> 01:17:01,222 -I guess, somewhere in your mind, you know about 1069 01:17:01,355 --> 01:17:03,157 that the Kinsey Institute exists, 1070 01:17:03,290 --> 01:17:07,261 but I don't really think of it being in the heart of Indiana. 1071 01:17:09,096 --> 01:17:11,732 One day, we went over and met the folks 1072 01:17:11,866 --> 01:17:13,467 at the Kinsey Institute. 1073 01:17:13,602 --> 01:17:15,669 And because they knew we were an art museum group, we said, 1074 01:17:15,803 --> 01:17:18,607 "Well, maybe there's a project we could work on together." 1075 01:17:18,739 --> 01:17:21,208 And they said, "Well, we have over 4,000 works of art here." 1076 01:17:21,342 --> 01:17:23,644 Which again, I was like, "Well, that makes total sense," 1077 01:17:23,777 --> 01:17:26,814 but I never knew they collected art. 1078 01:17:27,948 --> 01:17:29,518 That's where I first really learned 1079 01:17:29,650 --> 01:17:31,185 the story of George Platt Lynes, 1080 01:17:31,318 --> 01:17:32,920 his relationship with Alfred Kinsey 1081 01:17:33,053 --> 01:17:35,456 that in some ways saved his legacy. 1082 01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:38,225 And the story, to me, was just so amazing 1083 01:17:38,359 --> 01:17:41,195 that it seemed logical that we needed to do a show on it. 1084 01:17:48,369 --> 01:17:50,771 -The Kinsey Institute has the largest collection 1085 01:17:50,905 --> 01:17:53,174 of George Platt Lynes' work. 1086 01:17:53,307 --> 01:17:56,277 This is a chance to elevate an artist 1087 01:17:56,410 --> 01:17:59,780 who should be in the canon, but is not. 1088 01:18:04,351 --> 01:18:06,120 -Why there hasn't been a major exhibition 1089 01:18:06,253 --> 01:18:07,988 of George Platt Lynes' work, 1090 01:18:08,122 --> 01:18:11,792 at least not on this scale, and to our knowledge, ever-- 1091 01:18:11,926 --> 01:18:13,327 I think that's a really deep question. 1092 01:18:13,460 --> 01:18:15,763 I think it has a lot to do with his sexuality, 1093 01:18:15,896 --> 01:18:17,698 with his content. 1094 01:18:20,034 --> 01:18:23,904 -We've had some negative feedback about this show. 1095 01:18:24,038 --> 01:18:25,640 -I did get some hate mail. 1096 01:18:25,773 --> 01:18:29,243 I got one magazine written back across, it just said "smut." 1097 01:18:29,376 --> 01:18:32,012 But that, to me, makes it all the more important 1098 01:18:32,146 --> 01:18:34,782 that we would be doing an exhibition like this 1099 01:18:34,915 --> 01:18:38,219 because it's still relevant today. 1100 01:18:38,352 --> 01:18:42,089 There's no better time than absolutely right now 1101 01:18:42,223 --> 01:18:44,158 in a country that frankly has discriminated 1102 01:18:44,291 --> 01:18:46,060 against a lot of different groups of people 1103 01:18:46,193 --> 01:18:48,796 over its whole history and still does today in many ways. 1104 01:18:48,929 --> 01:18:55,803 So, Lynes, even though he's been dead since 1955, is so relevant. 1105 01:18:55,936 --> 01:18:58,839 I mean, it would be an ironic, horrible end 1106 01:18:58,973 --> 01:19:01,375 to his legacy to the world to have it also 1107 01:19:01,509 --> 01:19:03,944 technically stay, live in the darkness. 1108 01:19:04,078 --> 01:19:07,414 And we help him live again and keep his legacy alive. 1109 01:19:21,395 --> 01:19:24,666 -This seems legendary at this point, but it's real. 1110 01:19:24,798 --> 01:19:30,705 George entrusted a box, a so-called secret box, 1111 01:19:30,838 --> 01:19:33,675 to the Kinsey Institute. 1112 01:19:33,807 --> 01:19:36,176 -I love trying to push boundaries, 1113 01:19:36,310 --> 01:19:39,246 and so I think there was, like, a moment where I was like, 1114 01:19:39,380 --> 01:19:41,949 "So, like, how can we look in that box?" 1115 01:19:42,082 --> 01:19:44,719 -I know about the box, and I've never seen the box. 1116 01:19:44,852 --> 01:19:46,453 I don't know what's in the box. 1117 01:19:46,588 --> 01:19:48,188 At one point, some of the negatives 1118 01:19:48,322 --> 01:19:50,424 that I worked on digitizing, I kind of thought, 1119 01:19:50,558 --> 01:19:52,527 "Oh, maybe these are part of it," and no. 1120 01:19:52,661 --> 01:19:56,497 -Oh, gosh, you know, there it is, languishing away. 1121 01:19:56,631 --> 01:19:58,465 What's in that box? 1122 01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,968 It's like the holy grail. 1123 01:20:01,101 --> 01:20:02,604 -There is a box in the collection 1124 01:20:02,737 --> 01:20:05,540 that George Platt Lynes had requested to keep private, 1125 01:20:05,674 --> 01:20:07,642 and we have kept it private. 1126 01:20:07,776 --> 01:20:13,581 I don't know that the box will ever be made public. 1127 01:20:13,715 --> 01:20:16,050 I have not seen the contents of this box. 1128 01:20:16,183 --> 01:20:17,619 -Oh. -Yeah. 1129 01:20:23,257 --> 01:20:27,161 -Why did we lose track of George Platt Lynes? 1130 01:20:27,294 --> 01:20:29,830 How did he manage to drop out of history? 1131 01:20:29,963 --> 01:20:32,767 -I don't know why he disappeared. 1132 01:20:32,900 --> 01:20:34,968 -I... Honestly, I don't know. 1133 01:20:35,102 --> 01:20:38,506 -Why do you think George Platt Lynes disappeared? 1134 01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:39,973 -Well, I have no idea. 1135 01:20:40,107 --> 01:20:42,242 He was such an incredibly amazing photographer. 1136 01:20:42,376 --> 01:20:44,713 And, I mean, I never fully understood 1137 01:20:44,845 --> 01:20:48,248 why he seemed to become so eclipsed for a certain time 1138 01:20:48,382 --> 01:20:51,485 until, in essence, his rediscovery. 1139 01:21:03,464 --> 01:21:06,835 -My name is John Olsen, and I worked for Frederick Koch 1140 01:21:06,967 --> 01:21:09,937 for the last 13 years of his life. 1141 01:21:10,070 --> 01:21:12,339 He was the son of Fred Chase Koch. 1142 01:21:12,473 --> 01:21:17,846 He had a tremendous fortune and collected voraciously-- 1143 01:21:17,978 --> 01:21:21,882 houses, art, furniture. 1144 01:21:22,015 --> 01:21:28,021 This is all the Platt Lynes prints 1145 01:21:28,155 --> 01:21:32,326 that came from Bernard Perlin's estate. 1146 01:21:32,459 --> 01:21:36,698 In 1985, Fred bought the enormous estate 1147 01:21:36,831 --> 01:21:38,533 of George Platt Lynes-- 1148 01:21:38,666 --> 01:21:42,704 the items that weren't given, I think, to Kinsey-- 1149 01:21:42,837 --> 01:21:45,372 and had it all carefully catalogued and then boxed 1150 01:21:45,507 --> 01:21:47,842 and placed in shelves in storage here. 1151 01:21:47,975 --> 01:21:50,545 And I don't... We never looked at them. 1152 01:21:50,678 --> 01:21:52,079 And he never... 1153 01:21:52,212 --> 01:21:54,314 You know, he didn't really discuss them much. 1154 01:21:54,448 --> 01:21:56,984 So, this is the photography library, 1155 01:21:57,117 --> 01:22:01,723 and these are a lot of the collection albums. 1156 01:22:01,856 --> 01:22:03,457 George Tichenor and Jonathan. 1157 01:22:03,591 --> 01:22:09,062 And these are two albums of some of his best nudes. 1158 01:22:09,196 --> 01:22:13,200 -Fred Koch amassed an enormous collection, 1159 01:22:13,333 --> 01:22:17,271 that when he died last year, in 2020, 1160 01:22:17,404 --> 01:22:20,140 I was asked to go in and appraise it. 1161 01:22:20,274 --> 01:22:25,312 And really, nobody knew exactly what was there. 1162 01:22:25,446 --> 01:22:30,484 It was like walking into King Tut's tomb. 1163 01:22:30,618 --> 01:22:32,319 -At the beginning of the appraisal process, 1164 01:22:32,453 --> 01:22:34,321 we thought maybe they were 8,000 items. 1165 01:22:34,455 --> 01:22:36,123 And by the time she was finished, 1166 01:22:36,256 --> 01:22:38,760 she said it's close to 20,000. 1167 01:22:38,893 --> 01:22:45,733 All of these cases, boxes are filled with cards, 1168 01:22:45,867 --> 01:22:47,968 each one representing a different photograph 1169 01:22:48,101 --> 01:22:50,337 or a different album. 1170 01:22:50,471 --> 01:22:52,774 -When we look at archives like this, 1171 01:22:52,907 --> 01:22:55,242 our worlds open up and we realize anything 1172 01:22:55,375 --> 01:22:57,478 that has been written about these photographers, 1173 01:22:57,612 --> 01:23:01,950 where they have been placed in the course of history, 1174 01:23:02,082 --> 01:23:03,918 is this big. 1175 01:23:04,051 --> 01:23:06,987 -I've been visiting this house for more than 30 years. 1176 01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:08,523 And today was the first day 1177 01:23:08,656 --> 01:23:11,124 that we really dug into, you know, 1178 01:23:11,258 --> 01:23:13,026 the archives of what's here. 1179 01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,730 It's incredible. 1180 01:23:15,864 --> 01:23:19,868 Maybe Fred-- he didn't even realize what was here. 1181 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,904 The joy really was in assembling the collections 1182 01:23:23,036 --> 01:23:27,040 more than, you know, sharing them. 1183 01:23:36,049 --> 01:23:40,955 -George never entered the official photographic canon. 1184 01:23:41,088 --> 01:23:42,757 He's not the kind of figure 1185 01:23:42,891 --> 01:23:47,094 that most photography histories include, 1186 01:23:47,227 --> 01:23:49,096 and when they include him, 1187 01:23:49,229 --> 01:23:52,165 he's really considered a secondary figure. 1188 01:23:52,299 --> 01:23:53,535 -It's really hard to know 1189 01:23:53,668 --> 01:23:55,435 the extent of George Platt Lynes' work 1190 01:23:55,570 --> 01:23:59,039 because it was distributed in such weird ways 1191 01:23:59,172 --> 01:24:01,241 and sold piecemeal. 1192 01:24:01,375 --> 01:24:06,614 -His legacy was sleeping in storage boxes, 1193 01:24:06,748 --> 01:24:08,448 in file cabinets. 1194 01:24:08,583 --> 01:24:11,553 -If the works essentially stayed in the closet, 1195 01:24:11,686 --> 01:24:16,390 that's where his legacy is going to reside. 1196 01:24:18,860 --> 01:24:24,498 -Male nudes have never been acceptable at the museum level. 1197 01:24:24,632 --> 01:24:30,672 -There is undeniably a double standard 1198 01:24:30,805 --> 01:24:37,177 in the representation of female nudes versus male nudes. 1199 01:24:37,311 --> 01:24:40,247 -With the female nude, we're able to separate-- 1200 01:24:40,380 --> 01:24:43,651 "this is art, this is the naughty." 1201 01:24:43,785 --> 01:24:47,789 With the male nude, I think it gets very confusing. 1202 01:24:47,922 --> 01:24:51,091 What did the male have? A lot of dangly parts. 1203 01:24:51,224 --> 01:24:54,227 And what do you do with that? 1204 01:24:54,361 --> 01:24:58,231 -It is frustrating for me as a woman to walk around 1205 01:24:58,365 --> 01:25:02,870 and see naked women everywhere in art museums, 1206 01:25:03,004 --> 01:25:08,141 and, like, there's one penis and everyone is freaking out. 1207 01:25:10,444 --> 01:25:15,115 The male body is much more threatening to people. 1208 01:25:18,886 --> 01:25:22,222 -I think that there is renewed interest 1209 01:25:22,356 --> 01:25:24,792 in George Platt Lynes now 1210 01:25:24,926 --> 01:25:27,762 because he's extremely relevant to the kind of art that people 1211 01:25:27,895 --> 01:25:30,665 are making and the kind of lives that people are leading. 1212 01:25:30,798 --> 01:25:34,102 -I think there's a way for him to be appreciated now 1213 01:25:34,234 --> 01:25:38,573 that didn't exist 10 or 20 years ago, 1214 01:25:38,706 --> 01:25:40,775 certainly not when he was living. 1215 01:25:40,908 --> 01:25:44,344 -George Platt Lynes perhaps now is on the radar more than ever. 1216 01:25:44,478 --> 01:25:47,615 There's a kind of resurgence of interest in his work. 1217 01:25:47,749 --> 01:25:50,918 -George Platt Lynes had a tremendous influence, 1218 01:25:51,052 --> 01:25:53,453 both directly and indirectly, 1219 01:25:53,588 --> 01:25:58,960 on subsequent generations of photographers. 1220 01:25:59,093 --> 01:26:00,828 -You sense his work 1221 01:26:00,962 --> 01:26:04,398 in the work of artists of the '70s and '80s. 1222 01:26:04,532 --> 01:26:09,771 Shows that it still circulated and had a lot of power. 1223 01:26:09,904 --> 01:26:13,975 -Lynes basically gave the subsequent photographers 1224 01:26:14,108 --> 01:26:19,647 the freedom to explore making work with the male nude. 1225 01:26:19,781 --> 01:26:21,616 -Peter Hujar and Mapplethorpe, 1226 01:26:21,749 --> 01:26:23,851 and there's a series of photographs 1227 01:26:23,985 --> 01:26:27,722 that George Platt Lynes took just of men's heads at climax, 1228 01:26:27,855 --> 01:26:30,958 which seemed to me to prefigure Warhol. 1229 01:26:31,092 --> 01:26:34,662 -So, this is a great example of a very obvious, 1230 01:26:34,796 --> 01:26:37,565 clear photograph 1231 01:26:37,699 --> 01:26:41,201 that Robert Mapplethorpe would have been inspired by. 1232 01:26:41,334 --> 01:26:44,371 -I don't know why George hasn't risen 1233 01:26:44,504 --> 01:26:49,877 to the mythological plane of Robert Mapplethorpe. 1234 01:26:50,011 --> 01:26:54,615 I think it's only because George produced his body of work 1235 01:26:54,749 --> 01:26:59,654 at a moment in time that is often overlooked. 1236 01:27:01,556 --> 01:27:05,560 -It would be fantastic to have a major institution 1237 01:27:05,693 --> 01:27:10,064 launch a one-man-- a show devoted to George Platt Lynes. 1238 01:27:10,198 --> 01:27:11,799 -It's crucial that there be 1239 01:27:11,933 --> 01:27:14,836 a major museum exhibition of this work 1240 01:27:14,969 --> 01:27:19,907 because it really requires sort of significant analysis. 1241 01:27:21,743 --> 01:27:24,112 -Why a major museum has never shown 1242 01:27:24,244 --> 01:27:26,714 his nudes, I don't understand. 1243 01:27:26,848 --> 01:27:28,116 So, you know, 1244 01:27:28,248 --> 01:27:30,618 it's something to do with American puritanism, I think. 1245 01:27:30,752 --> 01:27:33,187 For years and years, it was impossible to show anything 1246 01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,388 that even hinted at homosexuality 1247 01:27:35,523 --> 01:27:37,457 in American museums. 1248 01:27:37,592 --> 01:27:39,594 My museum would be delighted to show his work 1249 01:27:39,727 --> 01:27:42,429 if we could access enough of it. 1250 01:27:42,563 --> 01:27:43,831 It fits perfectly into our collection. 1251 01:27:43,965 --> 01:27:45,733 I mean, look around you. What do I have here? 1252 01:27:45,867 --> 01:27:49,971 I have a pretty, pretty targeted collection. 1253 01:27:51,773 --> 01:27:54,441 -We have to find a way to make this collection, 1254 01:27:54,575 --> 01:27:56,778 his other collections, accessible to the public. 1255 01:27:56,911 --> 01:28:00,615 Fred's will directed the establishment of a foundation, 1256 01:28:00,748 --> 01:28:02,650 and it's in its infancy right now. 1257 01:28:02,784 --> 01:28:08,556 It's a huge opportunity to be able to share Lynes' work. 1258 01:28:10,091 --> 01:28:16,197 -What we'd like to do is allow him to be seen 1259 01:28:16,329 --> 01:28:18,800 as he was seen 1260 01:28:18,933 --> 01:28:22,435 during the days in which he was a successful photographer. 1261 01:28:22,570 --> 01:28:25,106 -We need to have that overall contextualization 1262 01:28:25,239 --> 01:28:29,610 and get him back into the canon of photographic art history. 1263 01:28:29,744 --> 01:28:33,181 -There are so many pictures that we've never seen before 1264 01:28:33,313 --> 01:28:34,549 or have never been published. 1265 01:28:34,682 --> 01:28:36,449 So, that's kind of intriguing. 1266 01:28:36,584 --> 01:28:41,022 There's always more of a mystery about Mr. George Platt Lynes. 1267 01:28:44,792 --> 01:28:49,797 -His is a story that was extinguished way too soon. 1268 01:28:49,931 --> 01:28:52,567 He was a man who was so driven, 1269 01:28:52,700 --> 01:28:58,639 not only as a liver of life, but as a creator. 1270 01:28:58,773 --> 01:29:00,842 -With George Platt Lynes, 1271 01:29:00,975 --> 01:29:03,778 we have to realize that we're almost doing an archeology here, 1272 01:29:03,911 --> 01:29:08,816 that we're looking at fragments of an enormous person. 1273 01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:12,620 I think to understand George is to see him, not only his art 1274 01:29:12,753 --> 01:29:16,489 but his life, in the context of his time. 1275 01:29:18,025 --> 01:29:20,895 So, step back and look and say, well, where did he fit in 1276 01:29:21,028 --> 01:29:23,130 with Gertrude and Alice, and why? 1277 01:29:23,264 --> 01:29:26,934 And who was this famous young writer who was fascinated by him 1278 01:29:27,068 --> 01:29:28,836 and ended up with giving him to his boyfriend, 1279 01:29:28,970 --> 01:29:31,939 and they had to live together for 30 years? 1280 01:29:32,073 --> 01:29:33,641 And who were the people that they knew 1281 01:29:33,774 --> 01:29:35,475 and that they collaborated with 1282 01:29:35,610 --> 01:29:38,813 and who influenced them and who they influenced, 1283 01:29:38,946 --> 01:29:41,849 this community that moved through history? 1284 01:29:41,983 --> 01:29:45,452 And that's what is waiting to be reassembled. 1285 01:29:45,586 --> 01:29:47,321 The bits that are here, the bits that are there, 1286 01:29:47,454 --> 01:29:50,825 the museum that has this, the collection that has that. 1287 01:29:50,958 --> 01:29:55,495 Put the puzzle back together and be amazed at what you see. 1288 01:29:59,166 --> 01:30:03,871 It's more than he was a wonderful photographer. 1289 01:30:04,005 --> 01:30:08,643 It's more than that he was a gay hero. 1290 01:30:08,776 --> 01:30:12,179 It's more than he was a fascinating person. 1291 01:30:12,313 --> 01:30:14,548 It's more than he was beloved. 1292 01:30:14,682 --> 01:30:16,817 It's all of those things. 1293 01:30:21,756 --> 01:30:23,925 It's the story of his life. 1294 01:31:40,101 --> 01:31:41,335 -Oh, my gosh. 1295 01:31:41,469 --> 01:31:43,004 I would have loved to have met George Platt Lynes. 1296 01:31:43,137 --> 01:31:45,139 -We would have gotten on famously. 1297 01:31:46,774 --> 01:31:48,809 -Oh, I never met him, no, but I wish I had met-- 1298 01:31:48,943 --> 01:31:51,145 Oh, he's probably-- Yes, we could have met, my dear. 1299 01:31:51,278 --> 01:31:53,714 -I would have loved to have met him, of course. 1300 01:31:53,848 --> 01:31:56,217 -I don't know if I would have been cool enough for him. 1301 01:31:57,918 --> 01:31:59,720 He would have liked the hat. You know? 1302 01:31:59,854 --> 01:32:01,288 -I'd like to take a walk with him. 1303 01:32:01,422 --> 01:32:04,392 -I would have loved to have been given a cocktail 1304 01:32:04,525 --> 01:32:06,027 by George Platt Lynes. 1305 01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:07,895 -I would've liked to go to his parties. 1306 01:32:08,029 --> 01:32:11,298 -Wonderful, delicious stories and gossip. 1307 01:32:11,432 --> 01:32:13,834 -I was always curious about what he might've sounded like. 1308 01:32:13,968 --> 01:32:15,503 It's through the photographs 1309 01:32:15,636 --> 01:32:18,139 that we must reconstruct this personality. 1310 01:32:18,272 --> 01:32:21,142 -I would have loved to have met George Platt Lynes. 1311 01:32:21,275 --> 01:32:24,779 And I think that probably within a matter of 10 minutes, 1312 01:32:24,912 --> 01:32:27,048 we would probably have some kind of argument. 1313 01:32:28,682 --> 01:32:35,156 -But I don't know if we would be diehard friends for life. 1314 01:32:35,289 --> 01:32:38,392 -What would I ask him? You know, "How did you do it?" 1315 01:32:38,527 --> 01:32:40,194 "How did you talk all these people 1316 01:32:40,327 --> 01:32:43,998 into taking off their clothes, including your relatives?" 1317 01:32:44,131 --> 01:32:45,766 -I think we would talk about the things 1318 01:32:45,900 --> 01:32:47,835 that gay guys talk about now, which is, like, hot guys 1319 01:32:47,968 --> 01:32:50,337 that you fucked, movie stars that you think are pretty, 1320 01:32:50,471 --> 01:32:54,909 and, like, the books that you read that are really good. 1321 01:32:55,042 --> 01:32:57,445 -I think it would have been interesting to meet George. 106018

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