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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,162 WWW.MY-SUBS.COM 1 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:22,355 You want to know something great about your country? 2 00:00:22,439 --> 00:00:23,690 - Yep. - Yeah. 3 00:00:23,815 --> 00:00:26,067 All of the kings love Jesus. 4 00:00:26,151 --> 00:00:28,028 And even your future king. 5 00:00:28,111 --> 00:00:29,654 - Did you know that? - No. 6 00:00:29,738 --> 00:00:33,950 Some kings in some countries are bad kings, 7 00:00:34,034 --> 00:00:37,203 but in Norway, the kings are very good. 8 00:00:37,287 --> 00:00:38,997 - Yeah! - Right? 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,081 What's your name? 10 00:00:40,707 --> 00:00:43,918 I'm, uh... I'm just a friend from America. 11 00:00:44,210 --> 00:00:45,962 Okay, but what's your name? 12 00:00:53,136 --> 00:00:55,430 You've traveled quite a bit with Doug. 13 00:00:55,722 --> 00:00:57,599 You've seen what he's talking about. 14 00:00:57,682 --> 00:00:59,142 Jesus is... 15 00:00:59,642 --> 00:01:02,020 - the best diplomat ever. - Right. 16 00:01:02,103 --> 00:01:03,980 One of the first things I learned 17 00:01:04,397 --> 00:01:08,193 on the first trip I went with Doug was, when you raise the name of Jesus, 18 00:01:08,276 --> 00:01:11,613 when you put the name of Jesus into the conversation, 19 00:01:11,696 --> 00:01:13,948 all you have to do is mention the name. 20 00:01:14,032 --> 00:01:15,241 - Really? - Yeah. 21 00:01:15,325 --> 00:01:18,495 God, Jesus, The Messiah. 22 00:01:18,787 --> 00:01:23,583 I cannot think of a king or leader that we refused to meet with. 23 00:01:23,833 --> 00:01:27,087 Bob, you were mentioning, even with dictators. 24 00:01:27,170 --> 00:01:29,631 Well, the scripture says, "If I be lifted up, 25 00:01:30,340 --> 00:01:32,092 I'll draw all men unto me." 26 00:01:32,509 --> 00:01:35,095 And so, if we focus on the things that divide us, 27 00:01:35,178 --> 00:01:36,178 then it will. 28 00:01:36,221 --> 00:01:38,556 If we focus on him, he draws people together. 29 00:01:39,015 --> 00:01:40,517 When the little group in Japan 30 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,352 and the little group in Nepal... 31 00:01:42,769 --> 00:01:46,314 There's a group of the top people of Bangladesh, all Muslims, 32 00:01:46,523 --> 00:01:48,525 studying the life of Jesus of Nazareth. 33 00:01:48,608 --> 00:01:50,568 From a Muslim follower of Jesus... 34 00:01:51,569 --> 00:01:54,322 to an Evangelical from Alabama. 35 00:01:54,864 --> 00:01:57,117 It didn't matter if they were on the terrorist list, 36 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,244 it didn't matter what their life was. 37 00:02:00,286 --> 00:02:04,249 If they had had a conversation with Doug around the person of Jesus, 38 00:02:05,166 --> 00:02:06,376 Doug wanted you. 39 00:02:07,669 --> 00:02:10,171 They built this tremendous access 40 00:02:10,255 --> 00:02:13,174 to nearly every government on Earth. 41 00:02:13,716 --> 00:02:16,261 The question then becomes what do you do with it, right? 42 00:02:25,812 --> 00:02:29,440 Come. All worry will be left behind. 43 00:02:30,191 --> 00:02:34,571 All disappointment, too, will be gone forever. 44 00:02:38,491 --> 00:02:41,995 We adopted a program for a worldwide spiritual offensive. 45 00:02:45,123 --> 00:02:47,417 I know, as never before, 46 00:02:48,084 --> 00:02:50,461 that we are all God's children. 47 00:02:52,547 --> 00:02:56,009 There is only one thing we can take with us through that door: 48 00:02:56,801 --> 00:03:00,013 those whom we have led to the savior. 49 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:04,642 "Fear him. Love him. Submit yourself completely. 50 00:03:05,018 --> 00:03:06,644 Then you will be his disciple." 51 00:03:07,353 --> 00:03:10,648 What we have begun... we will finish. 52 00:03:37,133 --> 00:03:38,853 People say, "What does the Family wanna do?" 53 00:03:38,885 --> 00:03:40,803 I say the question is, "What have they done?" 54 00:03:42,597 --> 00:03:44,682 They moved overseas. 55 00:03:45,516 --> 00:03:47,352 It's documented in the archives. 56 00:03:49,437 --> 00:03:51,689 They moved from the state level 57 00:03:52,565 --> 00:03:53,983 to the national level, 58 00:03:54,525 --> 00:03:57,445 and very quickly moved to the international level. 59 00:04:02,992 --> 00:04:06,329 This was a group with tentacles around the world. 60 00:04:07,455 --> 00:04:10,250 And the travel records were really important to show 61 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:12,877 who was spreading the word internationally. 62 00:04:13,962 --> 00:04:15,213 By using the records, 63 00:04:15,296 --> 00:04:18,758 I was able to come up with a list of a core group of members of Congress 64 00:04:18,841 --> 00:04:21,761 who were tied to the Fellowship Foundation. 65 00:04:22,845 --> 00:04:25,723 They claimed their mission was to help everyone 66 00:04:26,140 --> 00:04:28,935 by changing the world through spreading the name of Jesus. 67 00:04:29,978 --> 00:04:32,939 But I wanted to know, was this just about 68 00:04:33,022 --> 00:04:34,482 spreading their worldview, 69 00:04:34,565 --> 00:04:37,735 making sure that the world believed the way they believed? 70 00:04:38,736 --> 00:04:43,199 Acts 2:42 says you get together on a regular basis, we say weekly. 71 00:04:43,783 --> 00:04:47,203 And we do four things: we eat together, pray together, fellowship together, 72 00:04:47,287 --> 00:04:50,081 and talk about the precepts of Jesus together. 73 00:04:50,164 --> 00:04:51,444 ...open hearts to God... 74 00:04:51,499 --> 00:04:54,210 The prayer breakfasts are absolutely central 75 00:04:54,294 --> 00:04:57,505 to the mission of being Christ-bearer to the world. 76 00:04:57,588 --> 00:04:59,549 ...the president of Uganda. 77 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:02,760 But legislation is not their battlefield. 78 00:05:03,344 --> 00:05:06,431 The prayer groups take no action as such. 79 00:05:07,682 --> 00:05:10,727 But out of them, action grows. 80 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:21,070 We hold their hands, we pray with them, 81 00:05:21,154 --> 00:05:25,199 then we send them out a world that's more dangerous and evil by the day. 82 00:05:25,783 --> 00:05:29,829 Our children are growing up in a world where Christians are being persecuted 83 00:05:30,038 --> 00:05:32,582 and radical Islam is on the attack. 84 00:05:33,041 --> 00:05:36,836 I'm Robert Aderholt. The enemies of freedom must be confronted. 85 00:05:37,295 --> 00:05:38,838 Evil must be defeated. 86 00:05:40,048 --> 00:05:41,382 Robert Aderholt, 87 00:05:41,883 --> 00:05:44,594 a very fiercely conservative representative, 88 00:05:45,803 --> 00:05:47,263 travels to Romania, 89 00:05:47,847 --> 00:05:49,307 paid for by the Family. 90 00:05:51,976 --> 00:05:53,644 Robert Aderholt. 91 00:05:57,565 --> 00:06:00,068 Aderholt, not a big name in US politics, 92 00:06:00,151 --> 00:06:02,862 although he's been playing a part in the Family for years. 93 00:06:04,072 --> 00:06:06,240 But, in Romania, he is a big man. 94 00:06:07,450 --> 00:06:09,994 Romania, Albania, Montenegro. 95 00:06:10,661 --> 00:06:14,665 The Family focus on these little places that no one else is paying attention to. 96 00:06:15,666 --> 00:06:18,961 And they recognize that they can have wildly outsized influence. 97 00:06:23,299 --> 00:06:25,444 In Romania, people are voting on the change 98 00:06:25,468 --> 00:06:27,929 of the constitutional definition of "marriage" 99 00:06:28,012 --> 00:06:31,516 to a union between "a man and a woman," rather than "spouses." 100 00:06:33,059 --> 00:06:35,853 It all began when an umbrella civil society group 101 00:06:35,937 --> 00:06:38,940 called Coalition for the Family started a petition 102 00:06:39,107 --> 00:06:41,317 that three million Romanians signed. 103 00:06:52,995 --> 00:06:54,872 How are you feeling about the referendum? 104 00:06:54,956 --> 00:06:56,624 Scared. 105 00:06:57,583 --> 00:06:59,710 Scared. We are scared like hell. 106 00:06:59,961 --> 00:07:03,464 - Mmm, I'm more angry than scared. - I am scared. 107 00:07:04,298 --> 00:07:07,009 I can feel the hate walking on the street. 108 00:07:07,343 --> 00:07:10,680 I can see the look of the people. 109 00:07:11,264 --> 00:07:13,641 They are watching me like never. 110 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:20,481 So... 111 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:22,775 once again, 112 00:07:23,401 --> 00:07:25,653 what are we celebrating 113 00:07:25,736 --> 00:07:29,240 on October 6 and 7? 114 00:07:31,242 --> 00:07:33,411 The referendum to define family. 115 00:07:33,494 --> 00:07:35,514 I have to take this call. 116 00:07:35,538 --> 00:07:37,165 Yes, my dears. 117 00:07:37,248 --> 00:07:38,291 Hello? 118 00:07:41,169 --> 00:07:43,838 Yes. So, for the past three years 119 00:07:43,921 --> 00:07:46,215 and especially during this electoral campaign, 120 00:07:46,299 --> 00:07:50,803 what we've seen is an increase in hate speech against LGBT people 121 00:07:50,887 --> 00:07:54,432 and also an increase in violence against LGBT people. 122 00:07:54,515 --> 00:07:59,479 We have had more cases of violence in the past three years than before. 123 00:07:59,604 --> 00:08:03,858 And also, like, we have politicians, we have religious leaders 124 00:08:04,525 --> 00:08:09,071 which are using hateful language towards the LGBT people. 125 00:08:14,118 --> 00:08:19,040 For the past three years, a group of conservative religious organizations, 126 00:08:19,123 --> 00:08:21,876 they've been trying to change the constitution 127 00:08:21,959 --> 00:08:25,379 from families based on marriage between spouses 128 00:08:25,463 --> 00:08:29,634 to the families based on marriage between one man and one woman. 129 00:08:33,304 --> 00:08:36,474 Right now, we are heading into a national referendum 130 00:08:37,517 --> 00:08:41,604 to decide if the constitution should or not be changed. 131 00:08:43,356 --> 00:08:48,069 If this referendum passes, it will ban gay marriages for the future in Romania. 132 00:08:50,363 --> 00:08:54,575 In issues concerning gay rights, concerning abortion rights, 133 00:08:54,659 --> 00:09:00,540 in Eastern Europe what we've seen is a stronger and stronger involvement 134 00:09:00,623 --> 00:09:04,252 of the American religious right into internal politics. 135 00:09:05,419 --> 00:09:09,715 In the US, we see that 60% of people support gay marriages. 136 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:11,092 - Love! - Wins! 137 00:09:11,175 --> 00:09:15,888 So, in the US, the battle against gay marriage is a lost one. 138 00:09:16,055 --> 00:09:19,350 Therefore, they move forward to other countries 139 00:09:19,433 --> 00:09:22,895 where they can influence policies and politics. 140 00:09:23,229 --> 00:09:27,108 They find fertile ground for their ideology 141 00:09:27,191 --> 00:09:31,487 and create these networks with indigenous conservative movements. 142 00:09:33,781 --> 00:09:39,036 They have a purpose now in their life: to hate you as LGBT. 143 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:41,831 And it's sad. 144 00:09:43,416 --> 00:09:45,501 We are not against them. 145 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:48,546 We are not against the people. We are against the sin. 146 00:09:48,629 --> 00:09:50,339 - Because it is a sin. - Yeah. 147 00:09:50,423 --> 00:09:53,551 It's not something normal. So, this is what we don't want... 148 00:09:54,093 --> 00:09:55,803 that will happen in Romania. 149 00:09:57,346 --> 00:09:59,765 There are certain Romanian parliamentarians 150 00:09:59,849 --> 00:10:03,019 which belong to Evangelical churches, 151 00:10:04,145 --> 00:10:06,314 such as Ben-Oni Ardelean. 152 00:10:07,273 --> 00:10:10,610 He was supported by certain religious groups 153 00:10:10,693 --> 00:10:12,570 in order to advance their agenda. 154 00:10:13,070 --> 00:10:14,780 These groups, 155 00:10:14,864 --> 00:10:19,660 a tiny minority of society, wish to practice their chosen lifestyle. 156 00:10:19,744 --> 00:10:23,914 But I don't think they should impose on us their legislative agenda, 157 00:10:23,998 --> 00:10:27,418 or their personal agendas, 158 00:10:27,501 --> 00:10:31,631 to the detriment of 99% of Romanians. 159 00:10:42,016 --> 00:10:45,186 The first person to be connected with the Fellowship was 160 00:10:45,269 --> 00:10:48,272 my former pastor where I grew up from the small city in Haţeg. 161 00:10:50,316 --> 00:10:54,528 He formed the first prayer group on the model of the Fellowship from US. 162 00:10:55,112 --> 00:10:57,948 The danger of losing our Christian identity, 163 00:10:58,032 --> 00:11:02,244 as followers of Jesus or other Evangelical groups, 164 00:11:02,328 --> 00:11:04,872 is an ever-present danger. 165 00:11:05,414 --> 00:11:08,542 He started that group and had these annual meetings. 166 00:11:08,959 --> 00:11:12,296 And after a few years, I was introduced to the Fellowship in the US. 167 00:11:14,215 --> 00:11:16,467 I think it's a very good concept 168 00:11:16,550 --> 00:11:19,720 that Jesus could be a model of leadership, could be a model of faith. 169 00:11:19,804 --> 00:11:23,182 And it's a network that, uh, creates friendship. 170 00:11:23,265 --> 00:11:28,396 A major project for us is religious diplomacy. 171 00:11:29,855 --> 00:11:33,818 This project is coordinated by some individuals in Washington D.C. 172 00:11:36,404 --> 00:11:39,244 Congressman Aderholt is a very dear friend, and... 173 00:11:39,657 --> 00:11:43,661 many of the people from the US Congress, they are my very good friends, 174 00:11:44,078 --> 00:11:45,996 or from other parliaments around the world. 175 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:49,959 It's very important for everyone in the network 176 00:11:50,042 --> 00:11:51,919 to know that we have friends everywhere. 177 00:11:54,505 --> 00:11:57,591 We consult each other on different issues, 178 00:11:57,758 --> 00:12:00,678 and we try to help each other to protect the Family. 179 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:05,891 To try to promote a better way of living life, 180 00:12:05,975 --> 00:12:07,643 uh, in the name of Jesus. 181 00:12:12,231 --> 00:12:13,471 Imagine your wedding. 182 00:12:14,316 --> 00:12:15,359 You're in love. 183 00:12:16,277 --> 00:12:19,864 You want to be with the person you love. 184 00:12:20,364 --> 00:12:23,909 Now, imagine a powerful international organization says, "I wanna... 185 00:12:24,326 --> 00:12:27,496 I wanna stop that guy from getting married." 186 00:12:27,580 --> 00:12:30,916 The fight they couldn't win here, maybe they can win there. 187 00:12:32,543 --> 00:12:34,628 And this has happened all over the world. 188 00:12:36,756 --> 00:12:40,301 But at least Romania's not genocidal in this score 189 00:12:41,010 --> 00:12:43,679 compared to what's happened in Uganda. 190 00:12:56,901 --> 00:12:58,402 I've read a comment from you 191 00:12:58,486 --> 00:13:00,446 that you would like to kill every last gay person. 192 00:13:00,529 --> 00:13:03,073 Did you actually say that, and would you like that? 193 00:13:03,157 --> 00:13:05,451 People keep on... uh... 194 00:13:05,910 --> 00:13:08,329 misquoting me about this issue. 195 00:13:08,412 --> 00:13:12,041 We have proposed the death penalty in this bill. 196 00:13:12,124 --> 00:13:14,460 But actually, we can rehabilitate these people 197 00:13:14,543 --> 00:13:16,462 and then they come back to normality. 198 00:13:16,545 --> 00:13:19,423 That's the path that we'd be very much interested in. 199 00:13:20,341 --> 00:13:22,981 There are a lot of people involved in the Fellowship who have 200 00:13:23,010 --> 00:13:25,471 views on gay rights and other things. 201 00:13:26,430 --> 00:13:30,392 But I've never heard any debate about family values internally. 202 00:13:30,476 --> 00:13:33,771 There's certainly no kind of push in any direction. 203 00:13:33,854 --> 00:13:36,941 The only time we ever took a position on a legislation 204 00:13:37,024 --> 00:13:38,609 was when we were accused of... 205 00:13:38,818 --> 00:13:42,238 of creating a bill in Uganda to... that would, 206 00:13:42,446 --> 00:13:44,323 quote, unquote, "kill the gays." 207 00:13:44,406 --> 00:13:47,076 And that was only in reaction to us being accused of... 208 00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:48,869 of being involved in it, which we weren't. 209 00:13:52,164 --> 00:13:56,210 My work with the Fellowship in Africa started 40 years ago, 210 00:13:56,669 --> 00:13:58,838 when I went and met with Doug Coe. 211 00:13:59,672 --> 00:14:01,632 He said, "I find it very important 212 00:14:01,715 --> 00:14:04,510 to have something you're praying for bigger than yourself. 213 00:14:04,927 --> 00:14:07,972 If something good happens, you know you can't take the credit. 214 00:14:08,222 --> 00:14:09,473 That kind of a prayer. 215 00:14:09,890 --> 00:14:13,352 For example, you could pray for Arlington, Virginia, where you live. 216 00:14:13,978 --> 00:14:16,856 You could pray for DC, there's lots of issues there. 217 00:14:16,939 --> 00:14:19,775 You could pick a country, like Brazil," I remember he said. 218 00:14:19,859 --> 00:14:21,499 "Or you could even pray bigger than that. 219 00:14:21,527 --> 00:14:23,946 You could pray for a continent, like Africa." 220 00:14:24,488 --> 00:14:26,365 We had no idea about Africa. 221 00:14:26,448 --> 00:14:29,201 We tried to figure out which country should we pray for, 222 00:14:29,285 --> 00:14:32,538 and we settled on Uganda because of Idi Amin. 223 00:14:32,621 --> 00:14:35,416 It was going on right then, and it was on the news all the time. 224 00:14:35,791 --> 00:14:39,086 General Amin announced himself as the "Black Hitler." 225 00:14:39,211 --> 00:14:40,754 He said he was happy with the title 226 00:14:40,838 --> 00:14:42,882 because it meant he was a strong, tough man. 227 00:14:44,758 --> 00:14:48,262 I suggested that we really pray that we meet somebody from Uganda. 228 00:14:48,345 --> 00:14:52,057 And we got out the map, and I said, "All right, the star is on Kampala, 229 00:14:52,141 --> 00:14:55,060 that's the capital. Let's pray we meet somebody from Kampala." 230 00:14:55,144 --> 00:14:57,479 And about two weeks later, three weeks later, 231 00:14:57,563 --> 00:15:01,317 we met a missionary nurse from Kampala 232 00:15:01,859 --> 00:15:04,361 that worked at Mengo Hospital. And when we made our first trip, 233 00:15:04,445 --> 00:15:06,864 that's where we went. We went to Mengo Hospital. 234 00:15:07,448 --> 00:15:10,200 After that, we created Friends of Mengo Hospital USA, 235 00:15:10,284 --> 00:15:14,622 which has raised millions and millions of dollars of equipment and drugs, 236 00:15:14,705 --> 00:15:17,750 has built a dental clinic, a place for prayer. 237 00:15:17,833 --> 00:15:19,353 All that has come out of that meeting. 238 00:15:19,418 --> 00:15:22,046 That meeting. And so that was the start. 239 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:36,310 At the time, in Uganda, 240 00:15:36,393 --> 00:15:39,813 Museveni came in, and I built a relationship with him. 241 00:15:39,897 --> 00:15:42,483 And Museveni opened up the whole continent for me. 242 00:15:42,983 --> 00:15:46,820 I worked through him to get the first National Prayer Breakfast in Uganda. 243 00:15:47,696 --> 00:15:50,449 And, at the time, he was a pretty good guy. 244 00:15:50,532 --> 00:15:54,203 And I helped him a little bit, you know, meet people in Washington. 245 00:15:55,079 --> 00:15:59,166 I thought he could have been a Mandela-type character 246 00:15:59,249 --> 00:16:02,836 if he had stepped back and started to focus on maybe peace. 247 00:16:03,212 --> 00:16:04,672 But, rather than that, 248 00:16:04,755 --> 00:16:06,840 I thought he diminished himself greatly. 249 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:10,928 Do you personally dislike homosexuals? 250 00:16:11,011 --> 00:16:13,180 Of course, they are disgusting. 251 00:16:13,263 --> 00:16:18,394 What sort of people are they? How can you go, uh... 252 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:21,605 I don't... I never knew what they were doing. 253 00:16:21,689 --> 00:16:24,108 That's all... I've been told recently that... 254 00:16:24,358 --> 00:16:27,403 what they do is terrible. Disgusting. 255 00:16:33,450 --> 00:16:35,160 In 2009, 256 00:16:35,244 --> 00:16:39,665 I'd become involved in following the anti-homosexuality bill, 257 00:16:39,748 --> 00:16:41,500 which was introduced in Uganda. 258 00:16:42,876 --> 00:16:47,715 It was a bill that would have made homosexuality 259 00:16:47,798 --> 00:16:49,508 a capital offense in some cases. 260 00:16:49,967 --> 00:16:52,386 And the American members, for the most part, 261 00:16:52,469 --> 00:16:53,887 they found that appalling. 262 00:16:56,432 --> 00:16:58,308 One of the things that I got to do 263 00:16:58,392 --> 00:17:01,979 was interview Doug Coe at the National Prayer Breakfast. 264 00:17:03,188 --> 00:17:07,026 I think my access to Doug Coe was specifically so he could tell me 265 00:17:07,276 --> 00:17:09,945 that he opposed the Ugandan bill. 266 00:17:10,904 --> 00:17:14,533 But when I visited the African suite, 267 00:17:15,534 --> 00:17:16,869 I was struck by 268 00:17:16,952 --> 00:17:19,204 how calmly they were discussing 269 00:17:19,288 --> 00:17:21,790 getting rid of homosexuals. 270 00:17:24,251 --> 00:17:26,795 This man was accused of being gay. 271 00:17:27,046 --> 00:17:29,214 He was beaten to death by a mob. 272 00:17:29,381 --> 00:17:32,718 Others have been rounded up by police and arrested. 273 00:17:35,387 --> 00:17:37,587 I wondered, "Aren't these God's children? 274 00:17:37,639 --> 00:17:39,349 Aren't they all in the image of God?" 275 00:17:39,433 --> 00:17:41,310 And they seemed to discount that 276 00:17:41,643 --> 00:17:45,481 and suggest that because these people were causing trouble in their society, 277 00:17:45,564 --> 00:17:48,776 what's good for the society was that they not be there. 278 00:17:52,237 --> 00:17:54,837 So I said, "American Fellowship members are saying 279 00:17:54,865 --> 00:17:58,660 that this bill does not square with the teachings of Jesus." 280 00:17:58,744 --> 00:18:02,831 And they felt that the Americans were being soft, 281 00:18:02,915 --> 00:18:06,460 that they were unable to say what they really felt. 282 00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:09,671 But Ugandans wanted to be God's country 283 00:18:09,838 --> 00:18:11,799 and apply God's word 284 00:18:12,007 --> 00:18:14,468 to every aspect of life. 285 00:18:15,803 --> 00:18:19,223 The Fellowship couldn't make them withdraw that bill... 286 00:18:20,474 --> 00:18:24,978 but I thought could say, "Well, they're no longer part of the Fellowship." 287 00:18:25,896 --> 00:18:28,565 But there was reluctance to even say that. 288 00:18:32,069 --> 00:18:33,909 There's a level of deniability to it. 289 00:18:34,404 --> 00:18:36,448 The Kill the Gays bill, the Family didn't write it. 290 00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:42,371 So, when that becomes too hot, they can back away from it really quickly 291 00:18:42,454 --> 00:18:44,248 and say, "We had nothing to do with that." 292 00:18:46,375 --> 00:18:48,460 Remember what the Family always says: 293 00:18:49,169 --> 00:18:51,922 that the core idea, Jesus Plus Nothing, 294 00:18:52,464 --> 00:18:55,008 is the insistence that it is so simple. 295 00:18:55,759 --> 00:18:58,720 Just Jesus, that's all. Just Jesus. Nothing... 296 00:18:59,263 --> 00:19:00,556 nothing but Jesus. 297 00:19:04,268 --> 00:19:05,394 You gotta see this. 298 00:19:05,477 --> 00:19:09,273 Uh, this is the headline on Senator Inhofe's trip to Africa. 299 00:19:09,356 --> 00:19:12,901 "Inhofe's trips to Africa called a 'Jesus thing.'" 300 00:19:13,235 --> 00:19:15,863 Now, if you reacted to that the way I did, you're saying, 301 00:19:15,946 --> 00:19:18,448 "Praise God! That's wonderful!" 302 00:19:18,532 --> 00:19:21,118 But that's not what the editors of this newspaper thought, 303 00:19:21,201 --> 00:19:24,621 and yet, you got an overwhelmingly positive response from this. 304 00:19:24,705 --> 00:19:27,791 You don't get anything worse than this. That's front page, above the fold. 305 00:19:27,875 --> 00:19:31,420 And it goes on to say they think I'm using public funds for doing this. 306 00:19:31,503 --> 00:19:32,588 Well, we're not. 307 00:19:32,671 --> 00:19:35,007 Because there are other things we do in Africa. 308 00:19:35,090 --> 00:19:38,385 I'm on the Armed Services Committee. We're helping them build their brigades 309 00:19:38,468 --> 00:19:41,430 and all this type of thing. But we do it through the love of Jesus. 310 00:19:44,474 --> 00:19:48,562 When these guys would go out as missionaries for the Family, 311 00:19:48,812 --> 00:19:50,772 they're exporting Abraham's idea. 312 00:19:51,356 --> 00:19:53,984 That who God cares about most is not the everyday people, 313 00:19:54,067 --> 00:19:56,612 not the people who need the wells and the orphanages. 314 00:19:56,695 --> 00:19:59,281 God cares most about the elites. 315 00:20:00,616 --> 00:20:02,534 People like Senator Jim Inhofe, 316 00:20:02,618 --> 00:20:06,079 who runs on a campaign promise of what he calls the "Three G's." 317 00:20:07,122 --> 00:20:08,916 God, Gays, and Guns. 318 00:20:10,083 --> 00:20:12,252 And they would say that Inhofe 319 00:20:12,711 --> 00:20:16,089 brought 200 African kings into relationship with Christ. 320 00:20:17,633 --> 00:20:21,011 A guy named Doug Coe, he talked me into going to Africa. 321 00:20:21,929 --> 00:20:24,431 Coe says, "Why am I sending you, Jim? 322 00:20:25,682 --> 00:20:27,851 'Cause you're gonna get in to see kings." 323 00:20:28,936 --> 00:20:31,980 You know, I've had the honor of visiting, uh, Africa 324 00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:34,775 I think more than anyone in the history of the United States Senate. 325 00:20:34,858 --> 00:20:38,654 I just got back from my 161st African country visit. 326 00:20:39,154 --> 00:20:41,740 I call it the political philosophy of Jesus. 327 00:20:41,823 --> 00:20:44,952 And it's all scripturally based, Uh, Acts 9:15, you know, 328 00:20:45,035 --> 00:20:47,412 "Take my name, Jesus, to the Kings." 329 00:20:47,621 --> 00:20:50,499 And, of course, if you're a member of the United State Senate in Africa, 330 00:20:50,582 --> 00:20:53,377 they think you're important, so you always get in to see the kings. 331 00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:55,796 You're a great leader for that... introducing that country, 332 00:20:55,879 --> 00:20:57,919 to that continent, to us, and I appreciate very much 333 00:20:57,965 --> 00:20:59,725 the time you've spent with me when I've gone. 334 00:20:59,758 --> 00:21:02,052 - That's nice of you. Thank you. - Thank you. 335 00:21:02,719 --> 00:21:06,056 Inhofe is particularly proud of that access, 336 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,059 oftentimes on the taxpayer dime, 337 00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:12,479 traveling as ambassadors for Christ. 338 00:21:12,562 --> 00:21:15,691 That is to say, using elected office to gain access 339 00:21:15,774 --> 00:21:18,568 and to shape the policy and fates of millions. 340 00:21:19,695 --> 00:21:21,196 But Inhofe says, 341 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,782 "I just do my Jesus thing." 342 00:21:24,992 --> 00:21:27,035 By building relationships with dictators 343 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,871 who are some of the worst authoritarian leaders in history. 344 00:21:36,753 --> 00:21:39,840 It remains the worst terrorist crime in British history. 345 00:21:39,965 --> 00:21:42,634 ...terrorist bombing of Pan Am 103, 346 00:21:42,801 --> 00:21:45,304 killing 270 people. 347 00:21:45,387 --> 00:21:47,067 There's never been much doubt 348 00:21:47,097 --> 00:21:49,850 that it was an act of state-sponsored terrorism, 349 00:21:50,434 --> 00:21:53,478 and that men with blood on their hands are still at large. 350 00:21:55,188 --> 00:21:59,109 Time and again, a trial over the Lockerbie tragedy does seem close, 351 00:21:59,735 --> 00:22:03,363 but still the two Libyan suspects have not appeared in a Western court. 352 00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:06,283 I condemn America, 353 00:22:06,366 --> 00:22:11,496 Imperialist America, who tries to rule the world. 354 00:22:12,956 --> 00:22:15,000 We engaged Gadhafi 355 00:22:15,542 --> 00:22:18,086 in the late '90s and early 2000s. 356 00:22:19,046 --> 00:22:20,714 Muammar Gadhafi's regime, 357 00:22:20,797 --> 00:22:23,675 quite successfully to a rapprochement with the West. 358 00:22:24,593 --> 00:22:27,971 At that time, Gadhafi was disdained by the West. 359 00:22:29,306 --> 00:22:33,602 Gadhafi was blamed for housing two Libyans 360 00:22:33,685 --> 00:22:36,938 who were accused of blowing up a Pan Am jet 361 00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:40,525 over Lockerbie, Scotland. It killed 270 people. 362 00:22:40,609 --> 00:22:42,444 And he refused to turn them over. 363 00:22:43,403 --> 00:22:47,282 Gadhafi was also supporting weapons of mass destruction. 364 00:22:47,491 --> 00:22:49,534 He was a horrible character. 365 00:22:49,618 --> 00:22:51,787 So, one would ask, "Why in the world 366 00:22:52,287 --> 00:22:54,039 would you wanna go see him?" 367 00:22:55,248 --> 00:22:58,502 The answer is, "Why in the world wouldn't we?" 368 00:22:58,585 --> 00:23:01,129 ♪ Let's all join together ♪ 369 00:23:01,546 --> 00:23:07,511 ♪ And stand for what is right ♪ 370 00:23:07,594 --> 00:23:12,099 ♪ There's no place like America ♪ 371 00:23:13,183 --> 00:23:16,603 Congressman Siljander, leadership that's working. 372 00:23:20,065 --> 00:23:23,318 I was elected to the US Congress in my 20s, 373 00:23:23,985 --> 00:23:27,447 and as soon as I got to Washington, Newt Gingrich and I, 374 00:23:27,531 --> 00:23:30,534 we plotted and planned to take over the House. 375 00:23:31,910 --> 00:23:34,246 We'd talk of mobilizing Christians 376 00:23:34,788 --> 00:23:37,624 and creating what we call "wedge issues." 377 00:23:38,291 --> 00:23:41,920 Abortion, tax reform, foreign policy, gun control. 378 00:23:42,003 --> 00:23:44,381 And we wanted to wedge and divide people, 379 00:23:44,464 --> 00:23:48,427 put those that are pro-Republican and conservative on our side, 380 00:23:48,510 --> 00:23:52,514 and get enough of them with enough wedges and turn them out to vote. 381 00:23:54,474 --> 00:23:58,353 However, we were so eager to take power, 382 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,814 it's like spirituality became 383 00:24:01,314 --> 00:24:05,026 a side anecdote to the process. 384 00:24:06,862 --> 00:24:10,782 After spending three terms in Congress, I lost my fourth term. 385 00:24:10,866 --> 00:24:15,495 And that's when I started engaging radicals, combatants, 386 00:24:15,579 --> 00:24:17,164 certain regimes 387 00:24:17,247 --> 00:24:18,915 with a spiritual approach. 388 00:24:18,999 --> 00:24:21,168 The Holy Spirit come now. 389 00:24:22,878 --> 00:24:27,132 Encouragement in the minds... 390 00:24:27,215 --> 00:24:29,775 ...blessing in the heart. 391 00:24:29,801 --> 00:24:31,052 I speak a blessing. 392 00:24:33,054 --> 00:24:36,391 God, Jesus, the Messiah. 393 00:24:38,393 --> 00:24:40,479 - Amen. - Amen! 394 00:24:43,648 --> 00:24:45,233 According to the Bible, 395 00:24:45,942 --> 00:24:48,028 the Apostle Paul and his teachings, 396 00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:54,576 Paul was called by Jesus to carry his name to the kings. 397 00:24:54,993 --> 00:24:58,914 So, the kings are leaders of today, the presidents, prime ministers. 398 00:25:00,123 --> 00:25:01,416 Some are kings. 399 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:02,792 Still the title. 400 00:25:03,251 --> 00:25:08,006 So, we're simply engaging in Paul's calling to the leaders. 401 00:25:09,007 --> 00:25:13,720 In my job, I go and speak to groups of people here and abroad 402 00:25:14,012 --> 00:25:17,307 about how to make peace or seek justice 403 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:20,310 for those who are suffering under dictators. 404 00:25:20,393 --> 00:25:24,981 To try to stop the starvation, displacement, and suffering to begin with. 405 00:25:26,816 --> 00:25:30,779 We simply present ourselves as struggling followers of Jesus, 406 00:25:30,862 --> 00:25:34,449 trying to embrace and fulfill his commission 407 00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:36,368 to try to reconcile and make peace. 408 00:25:36,451 --> 00:25:39,538 You say that something changed when we had our meeting. 409 00:25:39,746 --> 00:25:41,039 Now, we're just men. 410 00:25:41,331 --> 00:25:43,917 We can't change anything. What do you think happened? 411 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,669 I think it's God. 412 00:25:47,170 --> 00:25:48,672 It's not politics. 413 00:25:49,548 --> 00:25:51,049 It's not prestige. 414 00:25:51,716 --> 00:25:52,968 It's not good looks. 415 00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:55,095 It's the power of God. 416 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,269 Doug Coe said, "You should devote your whole life to this. 417 00:26:02,435 --> 00:26:04,915 What could be more exciting?" I said, "You know, you're right." 418 00:26:07,941 --> 00:26:11,361 Jesus said when he left, he'd send back the Holy Spirit to teach us. 419 00:26:11,486 --> 00:26:13,280 - Mmm. - What he said... 420 00:26:13,363 --> 00:26:15,115 All that's recorded of what he said, 421 00:26:15,198 --> 00:26:17,033 what he did, and how he thought is in this. 422 00:26:18,827 --> 00:26:21,162 Jesus Christ is the center of history. 423 00:26:21,788 --> 00:26:26,293 Fills the entire horizon of the past, the present, and the future. 424 00:26:27,085 --> 00:26:28,587 - So, that's him. - Thank you. 425 00:26:28,670 --> 00:26:29,671 - Okay? - Thank you. 426 00:26:29,754 --> 00:26:31,881 - Great. Okay. - Thank you. 427 00:26:33,008 --> 00:26:37,262 I met Doug Coe for the first time in 1994. 428 00:26:37,345 --> 00:26:41,975 We will continue to be supportive of you and the work that you're doing for Christ, 429 00:26:42,309 --> 00:26:45,437 but we want our Family to stay together. 430 00:26:46,062 --> 00:26:48,898 I think those two hours I had with him 431 00:26:48,982 --> 00:26:52,360 was a revolution for me. It was... 432 00:26:53,278 --> 00:26:55,447 the biggest change in my life. 433 00:26:57,282 --> 00:27:00,827 He said, "I want to ask you to do one thing: 434 00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:06,499 forget everything that you have learned about Christianity. 435 00:27:06,583 --> 00:27:09,461 Jesus didn't come for the pure. 436 00:27:09,544 --> 00:27:12,172 He came for healing the sick." 437 00:27:12,505 --> 00:27:16,217 And therefore, Doug found it always inspiring 438 00:27:16,301 --> 00:27:18,887 to be with people with big problems. 439 00:27:19,846 --> 00:27:23,892 I know some people were concerned about people he met with. 440 00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:25,935 So, sometimes he would get... 441 00:27:26,019 --> 00:27:29,898 "But this person is being investigated by the FBI for big crimes, 442 00:27:29,981 --> 00:27:32,192 or there are these stories or these stories." 443 00:27:32,567 --> 00:27:36,196 And then his response would be, "Well, the bigger crook, the better." 444 00:27:39,783 --> 00:27:43,078 That doesn't mean that he will support the wrongdoing, 445 00:27:43,536 --> 00:27:47,916 but he will be there for every person and see the potential in every person. 446 00:27:47,999 --> 00:27:50,460 He would see a diamond in every person. 447 00:27:51,127 --> 00:27:54,005 Many people would feel that is love. 448 00:27:56,966 --> 00:28:00,720 The Family has always worked with bad men, bad people. 449 00:28:01,054 --> 00:28:04,015 And that idea goes back to the founder, Abraham Vereide. 450 00:28:05,183 --> 00:28:07,519 Abraham was not a fascist, 451 00:28:08,103 --> 00:28:09,896 but he was fascinated by the Nazis 452 00:28:09,979 --> 00:28:12,524 and by how they built power, and he wanted to work with them. 453 00:28:13,650 --> 00:28:16,486 He would say, "What if we had that strength? 454 00:28:16,569 --> 00:28:19,364 The strength of Himmler and Goebbels, his brothers bound together? 455 00:28:19,447 --> 00:28:22,450 A small group of men in Bavaria got together and look what they did. 456 00:28:22,534 --> 00:28:24,035 What if we could do that for Jesus?" 457 00:28:26,287 --> 00:28:28,707 He was commissioned by the State Department 458 00:28:29,249 --> 00:28:32,752 to go among the post-war prisons in which 459 00:28:32,961 --> 00:28:36,256 the United States was holding the high Nazi war criminals 460 00:28:36,923 --> 00:28:41,720 and seek out men who could be changed and used for the good work, 461 00:28:42,262 --> 00:28:44,305 who would switch out the Fuhrer for the Father. 462 00:28:44,764 --> 00:28:46,599 Heil Hitler! 463 00:28:46,766 --> 00:28:52,564 Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! 464 00:28:53,606 --> 00:28:56,025 Abraham went to bat for a man named Von Neurath, 465 00:28:56,109 --> 00:28:59,028 who was one of the really senior war criminals. 466 00:29:00,655 --> 00:29:03,992 Von Neurath in prison wasn't getting proper dental care, 467 00:29:04,075 --> 00:29:07,829 and Abraham moved the powers that be to arrange this. 468 00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:11,291 He helped a man named Gedat, who became this key leader 469 00:29:11,374 --> 00:29:13,251 and frequently traveled to the United States, 470 00:29:13,334 --> 00:29:15,920 became a spiritual adviser to congressmen. 471 00:29:16,963 --> 00:29:18,548 We go back in his record and he says, 472 00:29:18,631 --> 00:29:20,675 "God has ordered us to hunt down the Jews." 473 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,470 And to great ends, then he went 474 00:29:23,553 --> 00:29:26,389 to wash clean the records of these Nazi war criminals. 475 00:29:32,103 --> 00:29:34,397 And Vereide constantly emphasized this. 476 00:29:34,481 --> 00:29:36,775 The bigger the monster, 477 00:29:37,484 --> 00:29:39,986 the greater the work of God we're doing. 478 00:29:42,655 --> 00:29:45,283 If you're a Nazi and I forgive you, 479 00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:48,578 ah, God's grace is flowing through me. 480 00:29:48,953 --> 00:29:51,498 Forgiving and forgetting, not holding accountable. 481 00:29:53,166 --> 00:29:55,877 And this becomes the model for what would become 482 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,588 theirsort of official slogan, "A Worldwide Spiritual Offensive." 483 00:29:59,631 --> 00:30:02,383 Recruiting key men into a veritable underground 484 00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:04,594 of God's men all through government. 485 00:30:09,474 --> 00:30:11,726 Diplomats scoff... 486 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,438 to think that you're gonna waltz in there, 487 00:30:15,688 --> 00:30:18,441 have a little "Kumbaya" prayer time 488 00:30:18,525 --> 00:30:22,654 with these horri... some of these despot leaders like Gadhafi, Sadam, 489 00:30:22,737 --> 00:30:25,031 uh, Bashir, and other regimes. 490 00:30:25,114 --> 00:30:28,701 I cannot tell you how many State Department officials over the years 491 00:30:28,785 --> 00:30:32,580 would sit down or call me and tell me that... "You're a naive fool. 492 00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:37,377 They're gonna use you and embarrass the United States." 493 00:30:43,967 --> 00:30:48,763 The trip to see Gadhafi was inspired by the president of Benin. 494 00:30:48,972 --> 00:30:52,517 The president calls Gadhafi. Gadhafi sends his plane. 495 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,854 My friend and I were on the plane. I'd rather not say who, but... 496 00:30:55,937 --> 00:30:57,480 Well, you say it in the book. 497 00:30:57,564 --> 00:30:59,858 Well, I only call him by his first name. 498 00:30:59,941 --> 00:31:01,860 All right, Doug. Doug Coe. 499 00:31:01,943 --> 00:31:04,279 All right, so, as Doug Coe and I get on the airplane, 500 00:31:04,946 --> 00:31:08,241 and we travel hours to Tripoli. 501 00:31:09,492 --> 00:31:13,830 And then Gadhafi was furious, so he wouldn't see us. 502 00:31:14,831 --> 00:31:17,542 So, we were called to go see the foreign minister. 503 00:31:22,755 --> 00:31:24,716 The foreign minister was so angry 504 00:31:24,966 --> 00:31:29,012 and he started yelling, "Why are you here? What do you want from us? 505 00:31:29,095 --> 00:31:31,598 Why didn't the president of Benin come? Why isn't he here?" 506 00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:37,061 Because here's a former congressman and Doug, whom they didn't know at all. 507 00:31:37,145 --> 00:31:39,439 And so, I knew we were in trouble, really. 508 00:31:39,772 --> 00:31:42,901 And, by the way, we had to go without a passport, 509 00:31:43,234 --> 00:31:47,238 we couldn't buy a ticket, we couldn't spend any money, 510 00:31:47,655 --> 00:31:51,284 and couldn't receive a visa, 'cause it was illegal under US law. 511 00:31:51,367 --> 00:31:54,746 So, no one knew we were there. There's no evidence anywhere. 512 00:31:55,038 --> 00:31:58,374 And I was just sort of praying while he was yelling at us, 513 00:31:58,458 --> 00:32:00,126 and it just occurred to me, 514 00:32:00,209 --> 00:32:01,209 humility... 515 00:32:02,503 --> 00:32:03,503 will work. 516 00:32:04,297 --> 00:32:06,424 So, I said, "Excuse me, Your Excellency. 517 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:09,594 I was a congressman during the time 518 00:32:10,261 --> 00:32:13,014 President Gadhafi's daughter was killed by a US bomb." 519 00:32:13,097 --> 00:32:14,641 We were attempting to kill him. 520 00:32:15,683 --> 00:32:20,271 "Therefore, I have the spiritual authority to ask for your forgiveness 521 00:32:20,521 --> 00:32:23,650 as a nation for killing his daughter." 522 00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:28,112 And immediately, he changed. 523 00:32:31,282 --> 00:32:35,536 He spoke Arabic, snapped his fingers and they rushed in, tea and sandwiches. 524 00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:36,955 Filled the whole table. 525 00:32:38,164 --> 00:32:40,667 This is amazing. It was like a transformation. 526 00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:46,965 So, he gets up while we're eating. He had to call the president, Gadhafi. 527 00:32:47,382 --> 00:32:50,051 He comes back, and we get up to walk out, 528 00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:54,555 we hug each other and we hold hands and pray. Three of us. 529 00:32:55,348 --> 00:32:57,308 And I could feel his hand trembling. 530 00:32:57,392 --> 00:33:00,269 And he looked at me and said, "I have authority to tell you 531 00:33:00,353 --> 00:33:03,064 that you're gonna have good news in ten days." 532 00:33:03,147 --> 00:33:05,817 He hugged a second time, and we left. 533 00:33:07,068 --> 00:33:08,444 Coe at that point 534 00:33:08,528 --> 00:33:11,948 had amassed a significant amount of power and influence, right? 535 00:33:12,156 --> 00:33:15,410 And Gadhafi might say, "Look, this is a good channel to work through." 536 00:33:16,661 --> 00:33:19,455 But whether Gadhafi does a damn thing, 537 00:33:20,164 --> 00:33:23,459 they get to go back and say, "Yeah, we met Gadhafi." 538 00:33:24,794 --> 00:33:27,547 You walked into a room with somebody that half the planet 539 00:33:27,630 --> 00:33:31,134 considers one of the most dangerous men alive, and what did you do? 540 00:33:31,801 --> 00:33:34,429 We just got down on our knees and we prayed to Jesus. 541 00:33:35,138 --> 00:33:37,140 The miracle stops right there 542 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,892 without people really thinking too deeply. 543 00:33:39,976 --> 00:33:42,770 "No, but wait a minute. What was the point of that meeting again?" 544 00:33:44,564 --> 00:33:47,233 Ten days later, the two Libyans 545 00:33:47,316 --> 00:33:49,610 were released to be tried at the Netherlands. 546 00:33:51,654 --> 00:33:56,659 And then the reconciliation began, building US hotels and buying his oil. 547 00:33:56,743 --> 00:33:58,578 He denounced weapons of mass destruction. 548 00:33:59,579 --> 00:34:01,539 We didn't have, like, an agenda. 549 00:34:01,956 --> 00:34:06,669 It was simply letting the Holy Spirit do whatever the Holy Spirit will want to do. 550 00:34:11,632 --> 00:34:14,761 "When you talk about setting up meetings between political leaders 551 00:34:14,886 --> 00:34:16,888 on senatorial junkets to Afghanistan, 552 00:34:17,555 --> 00:34:21,059 where they can discuss the political issues 'as brothers, ' 553 00:34:21,267 --> 00:34:25,605 if I were an Afghan, I would ask, 'Down what road am I being taken? 554 00:34:26,773 --> 00:34:30,943 Are they using a religious gimmick to get my government to adopt some laws? 555 00:34:32,403 --> 00:34:35,656 Where does politics end and religion begin?'" 556 00:34:38,701 --> 00:34:40,411 The Family's foreign policy 557 00:34:40,495 --> 00:34:43,039 is the insistence that it is so simple. 558 00:34:43,122 --> 00:34:45,374 The insistence that it is so simple, 559 00:34:45,458 --> 00:34:48,503 backed up by the power of American Empire. 560 00:34:48,586 --> 00:34:51,631 When Senator Inhofe and Congressman Siljander 561 00:34:51,714 --> 00:34:53,508 meet with these world leaders, 562 00:34:54,217 --> 00:34:55,217 they go... 563 00:34:56,010 --> 00:34:57,720 as representatives 564 00:34:57,804 --> 00:35:00,598 of the most powerful government in the world, 565 00:35:00,681 --> 00:35:02,225 maybe in human history. 566 00:35:02,308 --> 00:35:04,727 And they like to pretend, "I'm just a guy. 567 00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:08,689 I don't know why the president of this nation agreed to meet me. 568 00:35:08,773 --> 00:35:10,817 I'm just a guy talking about my Jesus thing. 569 00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:13,945 I don't know why they had a military parade to greet me. 570 00:35:14,570 --> 00:35:15,905 Who knows?" 571 00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:23,162 General Sani Abacha. For five years he ruled Nigeria 572 00:35:23,246 --> 00:35:25,998 in the most ruthless regime in the country's history. 573 00:35:26,165 --> 00:35:29,502 Notoriously, he had jailed and executed his opponents, 574 00:35:29,585 --> 00:35:32,421 including human rights activist Ken Saro-Wiwa. 575 00:35:32,588 --> 00:35:34,715 But most of all, he looted the country. 576 00:35:37,385 --> 00:35:39,220 The first one we went to 577 00:35:39,303 --> 00:35:40,972 was a guy that our State Department 578 00:35:41,055 --> 00:35:42,890 thought was the worst terrorist in the world. 579 00:35:42,974 --> 00:35:45,768 His name is Sani Abacha from Nigeria. 580 00:35:46,561 --> 00:35:50,857 We went in there and... and just... not really knowing what we were doing. 581 00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:53,609 Inhofe travels to Africa 582 00:35:53,693 --> 00:35:57,864 and he sees General Sani Abacha, the dictator of Nigeria. 583 00:35:59,198 --> 00:36:02,410 The intermissional government is hereby dissolved. 584 00:36:02,493 --> 00:36:04,162 This guy who looted his country. 585 00:36:04,245 --> 00:36:07,665 The national and state assemblies are also dissolved. 586 00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:10,918 The state executive councils are dissolved. 587 00:36:11,586 --> 00:36:15,548 Abacha's a dangerous man who had killed some of his own citizens. 588 00:36:17,925 --> 00:36:20,645 He started talking about political things, so after a while, 589 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,840 I said, "Mr. President, really, yeah, I'm a member of the United States Senate, 590 00:36:23,890 --> 00:36:26,910 but I didn't come over here as a senator. In fact, we came all the way across 591 00:36:26,934 --> 00:36:29,812 the Atlantic and down to sub-Saharan Africa 592 00:36:29,896 --> 00:36:33,107 to tell you that in the spirit of Jesus we love you." 593 00:36:34,025 --> 00:36:36,027 That... Probably the first time 594 00:36:36,110 --> 00:36:38,905 this man has ever cried, at least in front of people, 595 00:36:38,988 --> 00:36:40,281 when we prayed together. 596 00:36:41,574 --> 00:36:43,784 Bacha sends all of his aides out of the room. 597 00:36:44,035 --> 00:36:46,078 So, now, here we have this access. 598 00:36:46,162 --> 00:36:50,333 This is what we have built this veritable underground of men in government for. 599 00:36:51,042 --> 00:36:53,794 What did they say? They say, "Brother, I love you." That's all. 600 00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:55,379 Not, "Brother, I love you, 601 00:36:55,463 --> 00:36:59,634 and let us talk about what love means and let us talk about murder, 602 00:37:00,509 --> 00:37:03,471 about killing your own citizens." 603 00:37:04,013 --> 00:37:07,225 That's not what happens. Instead, what's he saying it's all about? 604 00:37:07,308 --> 00:37:08,351 Jesus. 605 00:37:08,768 --> 00:37:12,772 And what do you know, the dictator says, "Yeah, yeah, sure. Jesus." 606 00:37:13,105 --> 00:37:14,565 "Jesus?" Jesus. 607 00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:18,569 Jesus, Jesus. And the money flows. And the guns flow. 608 00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:20,404 And the oil flows. 609 00:37:21,197 --> 00:37:24,742 There are all these ways that these figures, 610 00:37:24,951 --> 00:37:28,788 in return for their deference, their subservience, 611 00:37:28,871 --> 00:37:32,500 their recognition of the natural order of God, are rewarded. 612 00:37:36,087 --> 00:37:37,630 From my perspective, 613 00:37:38,047 --> 00:37:40,466 the difficulties with the Fellowship foundation 614 00:37:40,549 --> 00:37:43,094 go to the involvement in, um, 615 00:37:43,177 --> 00:37:44,762 in Africa, 616 00:37:44,845 --> 00:37:47,682 paying travel expenses of members of Congress. 617 00:37:48,224 --> 00:37:51,811 There was always a veil behind the sources of money. 618 00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:56,607 There's a budget, a fairly large budget, many millions of dollars. 619 00:37:57,608 --> 00:37:58,985 There's a staff, too. 620 00:37:59,068 --> 00:38:02,738 But you might look at the records, and one year their salary is this, 621 00:38:02,822 --> 00:38:04,573 and the next year their salary is zero. 622 00:38:04,657 --> 00:38:07,827 And yet, all the time, they're flying around on private jets. 623 00:38:08,786 --> 00:38:11,414 This is what they call the "Man Method." 624 00:38:12,206 --> 00:38:14,792 You need to go visit a head of state somewhere, 625 00:38:14,875 --> 00:38:17,336 so you ask a wealthy man, "Can I use your jet?" 626 00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:20,965 And he sees something in it for himself where he is led by God. 627 00:38:22,216 --> 00:38:26,220 "God's method of all the ages has been the 'Man Method.' 628 00:38:26,595 --> 00:38:30,558 Give me the man who will commit himself utterly to Jesus Christ 629 00:38:30,641 --> 00:38:32,852 and our problems are largely solved." 630 00:38:33,936 --> 00:38:35,563 That's the "Man Method." 631 00:38:35,646 --> 00:38:37,523 Otherwise known as "off the books." 632 00:38:39,442 --> 00:38:43,612 The group of individuals involved with this organization 633 00:38:43,696 --> 00:38:45,072 were truly unusual. 634 00:38:46,157 --> 00:38:49,660 In one case, even involvement with an organization 635 00:38:49,744 --> 00:38:52,204 on the specially designated nationals list, 636 00:38:52,288 --> 00:38:54,790 the so-called list of terrorist organizations. 637 00:38:55,291 --> 00:38:58,461 A former United States Congressman from West Michigan is going to prison 638 00:38:58,544 --> 00:39:00,963 for his connection to a terrorist group. 639 00:39:01,172 --> 00:39:04,050 Mark Siljander was sentenced today in federal court, 640 00:39:04,133 --> 00:39:07,428 and 24 Hour News 8's Tom Hillen is here now with what he did 641 00:39:07,511 --> 00:39:09,889 and how long he'll be behind bars. Tom. 642 00:39:09,972 --> 00:39:11,332 Well, good evening, Brian and Sue. 643 00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:14,268 Today, a judge sentenced former Congressman Mark Siljander 644 00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:16,854 to one year and one day in prison. 645 00:39:17,229 --> 00:39:20,232 Siljander pleaded guilty last year to obstructing justice 646 00:39:20,316 --> 00:39:23,027 and for acting as an unregistered foreign agent. 647 00:39:23,110 --> 00:39:26,530 He lied to the government, but wasn't directly involved in terrorism. 648 00:39:31,619 --> 00:39:34,121 I was indicted for absurd charges. 649 00:39:35,289 --> 00:39:39,126 We needed to finance the trips, so we created a nonprofit 650 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:41,545 and we were seeking donations. 651 00:39:42,296 --> 00:39:45,716 And a Muslim charity said, "We'd like to donate to you." 652 00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:49,387 I said "Wow! It's all been Christians so far. 653 00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:51,514 Wow, this is kind of affirmation." 654 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,185 Later, they're raided, and evidently, they were accused 655 00:39:56,644 --> 00:40:00,523 and indicted for stealing government funds, 656 00:40:00,606 --> 00:40:03,567 and they used that account to pay the donations. 657 00:40:10,908 --> 00:40:15,162 The Fellowship was drawn in because one of the checks went to them, 658 00:40:15,621 --> 00:40:18,124 and I felt terrible because my friends 659 00:40:18,207 --> 00:40:20,167 were being drawn into this quagmire. 660 00:40:21,585 --> 00:40:23,379 I was very angry at God. 661 00:40:23,587 --> 00:40:25,381 You know, doing all of this good work, 662 00:40:25,464 --> 00:40:27,967 and yet, you're allowing our whole family 663 00:40:28,050 --> 00:40:30,761 to be swept into this horrific web of... 664 00:40:31,053 --> 00:40:34,390 of accusations and innuendos. 665 00:40:36,058 --> 00:40:38,698 The Justice Department said what Mark Siljander was doing 666 00:40:38,769 --> 00:40:41,313 was channeling money through the Family 667 00:40:41,522 --> 00:40:44,233 from a designated terrorist organization 668 00:40:44,316 --> 00:40:47,361 that wanted to be removed from the list of supporters of terrorism. 669 00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:49,530 He was illegally lobbying for them 670 00:40:49,613 --> 00:40:52,158 and funneling the money through the Family. 671 00:40:53,033 --> 00:40:56,078 The whole operation is not through the Family, it is in the Family. 672 00:40:56,162 --> 00:40:57,746 It is of the Family. It... 673 00:40:57,830 --> 00:41:01,167 He was doing their work. And he gets convicted. 674 00:41:15,014 --> 00:41:17,766 This referendum was a very simple question 675 00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:20,519 about the most basic institution of society: 676 00:41:20,603 --> 00:41:22,605 marriage between a man and a woman, 677 00:41:22,688 --> 00:41:24,690 marriage between a mother and a father. 678 00:41:25,024 --> 00:41:28,360 Everyone is affected by the result of this. 679 00:41:29,737 --> 00:41:32,948 Leaving aside the fact that there's one member of the Family 680 00:41:33,032 --> 00:41:35,659 who gets indicted for conspiracy... 681 00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:39,580 a lot of the most problematic work of the Family 682 00:41:39,663 --> 00:41:42,958 doesn't involve money changing hands. That stuff's important. 683 00:41:45,377 --> 00:41:49,840 But more important are the ways in which you shift the conversation 684 00:41:49,924 --> 00:41:51,509 not just right-ward, 685 00:41:51,717 --> 00:41:55,596 but towards an authoritarian idea of religion. 686 00:41:56,138 --> 00:42:01,685 This abnormality first polluted Western countries 687 00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:06,482 and now we find it here. 688 00:42:07,775 --> 00:42:10,945 There are people in Romania, as there are people in every country, 689 00:42:11,278 --> 00:42:14,949 who are working toward democracy and human rights. 690 00:42:16,075 --> 00:42:17,493 The question is, 691 00:42:18,369 --> 00:42:20,729 if you're gonna go over there, who do you come alongside of? 692 00:42:22,248 --> 00:42:26,252 I commend, uh, Romania in their preserving traditional values. 693 00:42:26,335 --> 00:42:28,587 That is something I think is very important for a nation. 694 00:42:29,171 --> 00:42:32,091 The traditional family is so important. 695 00:42:32,174 --> 00:42:35,427 And I think what makes a strong country is having a strong family. 696 00:42:36,011 --> 00:42:38,722 And if the families of a country are not strong, 697 00:42:38,806 --> 00:42:40,224 then the country cannot be strong. 698 00:42:40,307 --> 00:42:42,768 And that's why you have all... 699 00:42:42,851 --> 00:42:44,770 The information that I'm getting, 700 00:42:44,853 --> 00:42:48,148 and I also relayed this to your prime minister, 701 00:42:48,232 --> 00:42:50,609 that having a strong family unit 702 00:42:50,901 --> 00:42:53,445 between a man and a woman is very important. 703 00:42:53,529 --> 00:42:55,739 - Thank you very much. - All right. Thank you very much. 704 00:42:58,826 --> 00:43:02,580 I mentioned to the Fellowship that we were going to have a referendum 705 00:43:02,663 --> 00:43:06,000 in my last visit in, uh, US, which was last year. 706 00:43:06,834 --> 00:43:09,837 Ever since then, I, uh, was talking with them, 707 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,882 uh, several time, uh, about what's going on with the process. 708 00:43:14,174 --> 00:43:15,092 The Fellowship, 709 00:43:15,175 --> 00:43:17,886 they are people that I can call them, day or night, 710 00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:20,848 and my problem, it will be their problem right away. 711 00:43:22,182 --> 00:43:24,768 I see it as a support group for those countries 712 00:43:24,852 --> 00:43:27,688 that want to promote good values in society. 713 00:43:28,814 --> 00:43:31,859 The Fellowship say that legislation is not their battlefield. 714 00:43:31,942 --> 00:43:34,486 They've been explicit about that from the beginning. 715 00:43:35,571 --> 00:43:39,199 Yet, you have this congressman, probably the most powerful figure 716 00:43:39,283 --> 00:43:42,453 that has come across the border of Romania for a while. 717 00:43:43,245 --> 00:43:44,496 What does he say he's doing? 718 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,876 Building relationships. And he's speaking about family values. 719 00:43:52,046 --> 00:43:54,298 So, this is May 29. 720 00:43:55,966 --> 00:43:58,636 So, he meets with Ben-Oni Ardelean... 721 00:44:00,471 --> 00:44:03,349 former Prime Minister Sorin Grindeanu, who... 722 00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:08,103 Marian Munteanu, he's pretty much a right wing person, 723 00:44:08,187 --> 00:44:10,064 an extremist right wing. 724 00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:13,942 And yes, Mihai Gidea of Antenna3, 725 00:44:14,026 --> 00:44:18,947 who is one of the leading news TV stations in Romania. 726 00:44:19,573 --> 00:44:22,660 This sort of lobbying, this sort of talking, 727 00:44:22,743 --> 00:44:26,246 this sort of keeping in touch, trading favors, 728 00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:30,417 uh, everything can influence a certain process to move forward. 729 00:44:50,062 --> 00:44:54,274 It is not US foreign policy to stop same-sex marriage in Romania... 730 00:44:55,609 --> 00:44:57,778 yet you have this congressman coming 731 00:44:57,861 --> 00:45:01,699 to give support to this idea. 732 00:45:02,449 --> 00:45:05,452 And he can say, "That's just my opinion, I'm just representing Jesus." 733 00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:09,081 And the Family can say, "It's not our policy either. 734 00:45:09,164 --> 00:45:12,876 We just paid for Bob to go. And he did what God led him to do. 735 00:45:13,502 --> 00:45:15,129 We didn't tell him to do that." 736 00:45:17,047 --> 00:45:18,799 When you're elected as a member of Congress, 737 00:45:18,882 --> 00:45:22,052 you're representing the United States in an official capacity. 738 00:45:22,803 --> 00:45:24,930 If you go off and meet with a head of state, 739 00:45:25,013 --> 00:45:27,391 you can't suddenly become unofficial. 740 00:45:27,474 --> 00:45:28,809 And that's what they were doing. 741 00:45:29,810 --> 00:45:33,522 It was a result gay rights supporters in Romania were hoping for. 742 00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:38,902 On Sunday, they celebrated, after a vote to change Romania's Constitution failed. 743 00:45:42,281 --> 00:45:44,241 They said if the poll was successful, 744 00:45:44,324 --> 00:45:48,704 it would embolden further attempts to chip away at the rights of minority groups 745 00:45:48,787 --> 00:45:52,124 and push the country onto a populist authoritarian track. 746 00:46:01,967 --> 00:46:05,220 The Family dispatch representatives around the world 747 00:46:05,304 --> 00:46:07,556 to build these relationships with foreign leaders 748 00:46:08,515 --> 00:46:11,143 to teach them to be God-led through them. 749 00:46:18,942 --> 00:46:22,279 They make negotiations without our consent. 750 00:46:23,572 --> 00:46:27,409 This is nonconsensual diplomacy. 751 00:46:28,202 --> 00:46:31,955 They are not transparent about their role in affairs 752 00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:35,584 of global power that affect the lives of millions. 753 00:46:37,711 --> 00:46:39,951 - Who do you think that was? - Douglas Coe. 754 00:46:40,005 --> 00:46:41,089 Oh, okay. 66127

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