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You want to know something great
about your country?
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- Yep.
- Yeah.
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All of the kings love Jesus.
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And even your future king.
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- Did you know that?
- No.
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Some kings in some countries
are bad kings,
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but in Norway, the kings are very good.
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- Yeah!
- Right?
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What's your name?
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I'm, uh... I'm just a friend from America.
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Okay, but what's your name?
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You've traveled quite a bit with Doug.
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You've seen what he's talking about.
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Jesus is...
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- the best diplomat ever.
- Right.
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One of the first things I learned
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on the first trip I went with Doug was,
when you raise the name of Jesus,
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when you put the name of Jesus
into the conversation,
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all you have to do is mention the name.
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- Really?
- Yeah.
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God, Jesus, The Messiah.
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I cannot think of a king or leader
that we refused to meet with.
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Bob, you were mentioning,
even with dictators.
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Well, the scripture says,
"If I be lifted up,
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I'll draw all men unto me."
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And so, if we focus on the things
that divide us,
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then it will.
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If we focus on him,
he draws people together.
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When the little group in Japan
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and the little group in Nepal...
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There's a group of the top people
of Bangladesh, all Muslims,
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studying the life of Jesus of Nazareth.
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From a Muslim follower of Jesus...
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to an Evangelical from Alabama.
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It didn't matter
if they were on the terrorist list,
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it didn't matter what their life was.
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If they had had a conversation with Doug
around the person of Jesus,
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Doug wanted you.
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They built this tremendous access
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to nearly every government on Earth.
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The question then becomes
what do you do with it, right?
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Come. All worry will be left behind.
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All disappointment, too,
will be gone forever.
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We adopted a program
for a worldwide spiritual offensive.
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I know, as never before,
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that we are all God's children.
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There is only one thing
we can take with us through that door:
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those whom we have led to the savior.
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"Fear him. Love him.
Submit yourself completely.
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Then you will be his disciple."
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What we have begun...
we will finish.
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People say,
"What does the Family wanna do?"
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I say the question is,
"What have they done?"
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They moved overseas.
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It's documented in the archives.
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They moved from the state level
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to the national level,
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and very quickly moved
to the international level.
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This was a group
with tentacles around the world.
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And the travel records
were really important to show
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who was spreading the word
internationally.
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By using the records,
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I was able to come up with a list
of a core group of members of Congress
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who were tied
to the Fellowship Foundation.
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They claimed their mission
was to help everyone
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by changing the world
through spreading the name of Jesus.
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But I wanted to know, was this just about
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spreading their worldview,
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making sure that the world believed
the way they believed?
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Acts 2:42 says you get together
on a regular basis, we say weekly.
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And we do four things: we eat together,
pray together, fellowship together,
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and talk about
the precepts of Jesus together.
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...open hearts to God...
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The prayer breakfasts
are absolutely central
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to the mission of being Christ-bearer
to the world.
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...the president of Uganda.
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But legislation is not their battlefield.
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The prayer groups take no action as such.
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But out of them, action grows.
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We hold their hands, we pray with them,
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then we send them out a world
that's more dangerous and evil by the day.
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Our children are growing up in a world
where Christians are being persecuted
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and radical Islam is on the attack.
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I'm Robert Aderholt. The enemies
of freedom must be confronted.
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Evil must be defeated.
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Robert Aderholt,
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a very fiercely
conservative representative,
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travels to Romania,
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paid for by the Family.
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Robert Aderholt.
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Aderholt, not a big name in US politics,
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although he's been playing a part
in the Family for years.
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But, in Romania, he is a big man.
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Romania, Albania, Montenegro.
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The Family focus on these little places
that no one else is paying attention to.
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And they recognize that they can have
wildly outsized influence.
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In Romania,
people are voting on the change
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of the constitutional definition
of "marriage"
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to a union between "a man and a woman,"
rather than "spouses."
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It all began
when an umbrella civil society group
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called Coalition for the Family
started a petition
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that three million Romanians signed.
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How are you feeling about the referendum?
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Scared.
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Scared. We are scared like hell.
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- Mmm, I'm more angry than scared.
- I am scared.
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I can feel the hate walking on the street.
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I can see the look of the people.
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They are watching me like never.
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So...
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once again,
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what are we celebrating
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on October 6 and 7?
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The referendum to define family.
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I have to take this call.
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Yes, my dears.
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Hello?
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Yes. So, for the past three years
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and especially during
this electoral campaign,
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what we've seen is an increase
in hate speech against LGBT people
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and also an increase in violence
against LGBT people.
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We have had more cases of violence
in the past three years than before.
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And also, like, we have politicians,
we have religious leaders
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which are using hateful language
towards the LGBT people.
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For the past three years, a group
of conservative religious organizations,
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they've been trying to change
the constitution
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from families based on marriage
between spouses
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to the families based on marriage
between one man and one woman.
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Right now, we are heading
into a national referendum
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to decide if the constitution
should or not be changed.
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If this referendum passes, it will ban
gay marriages for the future in Romania.
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In issues concerning gay rights,
concerning abortion rights,
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in Eastern Europe what we've seen
is a stronger and stronger involvement
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of the American religious right
into internal politics.
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In the US, we see that 60% of people
support gay marriages.
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- Love!
- Wins!
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So, in the US, the battle against
gay marriage is a lost one.
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Therefore, they move forward
to other countries
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where they can influence policies
and politics.
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They find fertile ground
for their ideology
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and create these networks
with indigenous conservative movements.
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They have a purpose now in their life:
to hate you as LGBT.
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And it's sad.
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We are not against them.
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We are not against the people.
We are against the sin.
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- Because it is a sin.
- Yeah.
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It's not something normal.
So, this is what we don't want...
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that will happen in Romania.
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There are certain
Romanian parliamentarians
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which belong to Evangelical churches,
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such as Ben-Oni Ardelean.
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He was supported
by certain religious groups
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in order to advance their agenda.
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These groups,
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a tiny minority of society,
wish to practice their chosen lifestyle.
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But I don't think they should impose on us
their legislative agenda,
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or their personal agendas,
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to the detriment of 99% of Romanians.
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The first person to be connected
with the Fellowship was
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my former pastor where I grew up
from the small city in Haţeg.
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He formed the first prayer group
on the model of the Fellowship from US.
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The danger of losing
our Christian identity,
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as followers of Jesus
or other Evangelical groups,
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is an ever-present danger.
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He started that group
and had these annual meetings.
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And after a few years, I was introduced
to the Fellowship in the US.
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I think it's a very good concept
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that Jesus could be a model of leadership,
could be a model of faith.
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And it's a network that, uh,
creates friendship.
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A major project for us
is religious diplomacy.
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This project is coordinated by some
individuals in Washington D.C.
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Congressman Aderholt
is a very dear friend, and...
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many of the people from the US Congress,
they are my very good friends,
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or from other parliaments
around the world.
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It's very important for everyone
in the network
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to know that we have friends everywhere.
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We consult each other on different issues,
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and we try to help each other
to protect the Family.
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To try to promote
a better way of living life,
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uh, in the name of Jesus.
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Imagine your wedding.
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You're in love.
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You want to be with the person you love.
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Now, imagine a powerful international
organization says, "I wanna...
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I wanna stop that guy
from getting married."
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The fight they couldn't win here,
maybe they can win there.
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And this has happened all over the world.
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But at least Romania's not genocidal
in this score
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compared to what's happened in Uganda.
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I've read a comment from you
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that you would like to kill
every last gay person.
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Did you actually say that,
and would you like that?
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People keep on... uh...
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misquoting me about this issue.
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We have proposed the death penalty
in this bill.
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But actually,
we can rehabilitate these people
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and then they come back to normality.
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That's the path that
we'd be very much interested in.
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There are a lot of people involved
in the Fellowship who have
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views on gay rights and other things.
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But I've never heard any debate
about family values internally.
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There's certainly no kind of push
in any direction.
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The only time we ever took a position
on a legislation
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was when we were accused of...
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of creating a bill in Uganda to...
that would,
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quote, unquote, "kill the gays."
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And that was only in reaction to us
being accused of...
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of being involved in it, which we weren't.
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My work with the Fellowship in Africa
started 40 years ago,
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when I went and met with Doug Coe.
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He said, "I find it very important
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to have something you're praying for
bigger than yourself.
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If something good happens,
you know you can't take the credit.
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That kind of a prayer.
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For example, you could pray
for Arlington, Virginia, where you live.
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You could pray for DC,
there's lots of issues there.
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You could pick a country, like Brazil,"
I remember he said.
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"Or you could even pray bigger than that.
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You could pray for a continent,
like Africa."
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We had no idea about Africa.
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We tried to figure out
which country should we pray for,
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and we settled on Uganda
because of Idi Amin.
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It was going on right then,
and it was on the news all the time.
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General Amin announced himself
as the "Black Hitler."
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He said he was happy with the title
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because it meant
he was a strong, tough man.
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I suggested that we really pray
that we meet somebody from Uganda.
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And we got out the map, and I said,
"All right, the star is on Kampala,
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that's the capital. Let's pray
we meet somebody from Kampala."
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And about two weeks later,
three weeks later,
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we met a missionary nurse from Kampala
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that worked at Mengo Hospital.
And when we made our first trip,
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that's where we went.
We went to Mengo Hospital.
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After that, we created
Friends of Mengo Hospital USA,
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which has raised millions and millions
of dollars of equipment and drugs,
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has built a dental clinic,
a place for prayer.
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All that has come out of that meeting.
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That meeting.
And so that was the start.
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At the time, in Uganda,
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Museveni came in,
and I built a relationship with him.
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And Museveni opened up
the whole continent for me.
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I worked through him to get the first
National Prayer Breakfast in Uganda.
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And, at the time,
he was a pretty good guy.
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And I helped him a little bit, you know,
meet people in Washington.
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I thought he could have been
a Mandela-type character
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if he had stepped back and started
to focus on maybe peace.
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But, rather than that,
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I thought he diminished himself greatly.
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Do you personally dislike homosexuals?
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Of course, they are disgusting.
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What sort of people are they?
How can you go, uh...
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I don't...
I never knew what they were doing.
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That's all...
I've been told recently that...
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what they do is terrible. Disgusting.
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In 2009,
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I'd become involved in following
the anti-homosexuality bill,
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which was introduced in Uganda.
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It was a bill
that would have made homosexuality
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a capital offense in some cases.
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And the American members,
for the most part,
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they found that appalling.
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One of the things that I got to do
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was interview Doug Coe
at the National Prayer Breakfast.
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I think my access to Doug Coe
was specifically so he could tell me
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that he opposed the Ugandan bill.
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But when I visited the African suite,
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I was struck by
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how calmly they were discussing
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getting rid of homosexuals.
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This man was accused of being gay.
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He was beaten to death by a mob.
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Others have been rounded up by police
and arrested.
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I wondered,
"Aren't these God's children?
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Aren't they all in the image of God?"
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And they seemed to discount that
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and suggest that because these people
were causing trouble in their society,
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what's good for the society
was that they not be there.
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So I said, "American
Fellowship members are saying
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that this bill does not square
with the teachings of Jesus."
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And they felt that the Americans
were being soft,
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that they were unable to say
what they really felt.
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But Ugandans wanted to be God's country
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and apply God's word
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to every aspect of life.
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The Fellowship couldn't make them
withdraw that bill...
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but I thought could say, "Well, they're
no longer part of the Fellowship."
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But there was reluctance to even say that.
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There's a level of deniability to it.
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The Kill the Gays bill,
the Family didn't write it.
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So, when that becomes too hot,
they can back away from it really quickly
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and say, "We had nothing to do with that."
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Remember what the Family always says:
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that the core idea, Jesus Plus Nothing,
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is the insistence that it is so simple.
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Just Jesus, that's all. Just Jesus.
Nothing...
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nothing but Jesus.
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You gotta see this.
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Uh, this is the headline
on Senator Inhofe's trip to Africa.
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"Inhofe's trips to Africa
called a 'Jesus thing.'"
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Now, if you reacted to that the way I did,
you're saying,
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"Praise God! That's wonderful!"
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But that's not what the editors
of this newspaper thought,
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and yet, you got an overwhelmingly
positive response from this.
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You don't get anything worse than this.
That's front page, above the fold.
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And it goes on to say they think
I'm using public funds for doing this.
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Well, we're not.
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Because there are other things
we do in Africa.
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I'm on the Armed Services Committee.
We're helping them build their brigades
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and all this type of thing.
But we do it through the love of Jesus.
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When these guys would go out
as missionaries for the Family,
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they're exporting Abraham's idea.
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That who God cares about most
is not the everyday people,
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not the people who need the wells
and the orphanages.
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God cares most about the elites.
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People like Senator Jim Inhofe,
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who runs on a campaign promise
of what he calls the "Three G's."
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God, Gays, and Guns.
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And they would say that Inhofe
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brought 200 African kings
into relationship with Christ.
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A guy named Doug Coe,
he talked me into going to Africa.
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Coe says, "Why am I sending you, Jim?
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'Cause you're gonna get in to see kings."
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You know, I've had the honor
of visiting, uh, Africa
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I think more than anyone in the history
of the United States Senate.
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I just got back
from my 161st African country visit.
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I call it
the political philosophy of Jesus.
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And it's all scripturally based,
Uh, Acts 9:15, you know,
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"Take my name, Jesus, to the Kings."
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And, of course, if you're a member
of the United State Senate in Africa,
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they think you're important,
so you always get in to see the kings.
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You're a great leader for that...
introducing that country,
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to that continent, to us,
and I appreciate very much
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the time you've spent with me
when I've gone.
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- That's nice of you. Thank you.
- Thank you.
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Inhofe is particularly proud
of that access,
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oftentimes on the taxpayer dime,
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traveling as ambassadors for Christ.
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That is to say, using elected office
to gain access
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and to shape the policy
and fates of millions.
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But Inhofe says,
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"I just do my Jesus thing."
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By building relationships with dictators
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who are some of the worst
authoritarian leaders in history.
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It remains the worst
terrorist crime in British history.
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...terrorist bombing of Pan Am 103,
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killing 270 people.
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There's never been much doubt
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that it was an act
of state-sponsored terrorism,
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and that men with blood on their hands
are still at large.
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Time and again, a trial over
the Lockerbie tragedy does seem close,
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but still the two Libyan suspects
have not appeared in a Western court.
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I condemn America,
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Imperialist America,
who tries to rule the world.
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We engaged Gadhafi
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in the late '90s and early 2000s.
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Muammar Gadhafi's regime,
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quite successfully
to a rapprochement with the West.
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At that time,
Gadhafi was disdained by the West.
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Gadhafi was blamed for housing two Libyans
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who were accused of blowing up
a Pan Am jet
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over Lockerbie, Scotland.
It killed 270 people.
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And he refused to turn them over.
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Gadhafi was also supporting
weapons of mass destruction.
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He was a horrible character.
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So, one would ask, "Why in the world
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would you wanna go see him?"
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The answer is,
"Why in the world wouldn't we?"
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♪ Let's all join together ♪
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♪ And stand for what is right ♪
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♪ There's no place like America ♪
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Congressman Siljander,
leadership that's working.
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I was elected
to the US Congress in my 20s,
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and as soon as I got to Washington,
Newt Gingrich and I,
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we plotted and planned
to take over the House.
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We'd talk of mobilizing Christians
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and creating what we call "wedge issues."
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Abortion, tax reform,
foreign policy, gun control.
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And we wanted to wedge and divide people,
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put those that are pro-Republican
and conservative on our side,
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and get enough of them with enough wedges
and turn them out to vote.
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However, we were so eager to take power,
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it's like spirituality became
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a side anecdote to the process.
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After spending three terms in Congress,
I lost my fourth term.
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And that's when I started engaging
radicals, combatants,
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certain regimes
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with a spiritual approach.
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The Holy Spirit come now.
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Encouragement in the minds...
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...blessing in the heart.
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I speak a blessing.
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God, Jesus, the Messiah.
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- Amen.
- Amen!
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According to the Bible,
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the Apostle Paul and his teachings,
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Paul was called by Jesus
to carry his name to the kings.
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So, the kings are leaders of today,
the presidents, prime ministers.
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Some are kings.
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Still the title.
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So, we're simply engaging
in Paul's calling to the leaders.
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In my job, I go and speak to groups
of people here and abroad
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about how to make peace or seek justice
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for those who are suffering
under dictators.
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To try to stop the starvation,
displacement, and suffering to begin with.
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We simply present ourselves
as struggling followers of Jesus,
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trying to embrace
and fulfill his commission
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to try to reconcile and make peace.
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You say that something changed
when we had our meeting.
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Now, we're just men.
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We can't change anything.
What do you think happened?
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I think it's God.
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It's not politics.
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It's not prestige.
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It's not good looks.
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It's the power of God.
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Doug Coe said, "You should devote
your whole life to this.
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What could be more exciting?"
I said, "You know, you're right."
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Jesus said when he left, he'd send back
the Holy Spirit to teach us.
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- Mmm.
- What he said...
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All that's recorded of what he said,
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what he did,
and how he thought is in this.
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Jesus Christ is the center of history.
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Fills the entire horizon of the past,
the present, and the future.
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- So, that's him.
- Thank you.
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- Okay?
- Thank you.
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- Great. Okay.
- Thank you.
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I met Doug Coe for the first time in 1994.
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We will continue to be supportive of you
and the work that you're doing for Christ,
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but we want our Family to stay together.
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I think those two hours I had with him
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was a revolution for me. It was...
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the biggest change in my life.
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He said, "I want to ask you
to do one thing:
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forget everything that you have learned
about Christianity.
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Jesus didn't come for the pure.
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He came for healing the sick."
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And therefore,
Doug found it always inspiring
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to be with people with big problems.
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I know some people were concerned
about people he met with.
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So, sometimes he would get...
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"But this person is being investigated
by the FBI for big crimes,
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or there are these stories
or these stories."
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And then his response would be,
"Well, the bigger crook, the better."
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That doesn't mean that he will support
the wrongdoing,
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but he will be there for every person
and see the potential in every person.
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He would see a diamond in every person.
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Many people would feel that is love.
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The Family has always worked
with bad men, bad people.
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And that idea goes back to the founder,
Abraham Vereide.
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Abraham was not a fascist,
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but he was fascinated by the Nazis
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and by how they built power,
and he wanted to work with them.
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He would say,
"What if we had that strength?
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The strength of Himmler and Goebbels,
his brothers bound together?
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A small group of men in Bavaria
got together and look what they did.
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What if we could do that for Jesus?"
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He was commissioned
by the State Department
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to go among the post-war prisons in which
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the United States was holding
the high Nazi war criminals
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and seek out men who could be changed
and used for the good work,
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who would switch out the Fuhrer
for the Father.
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Heil Hitler!
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Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!
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Abraham went to bat for a man
named Von Neurath,
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who was one
of the really senior war criminals.
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Von Neurath in prison
wasn't getting proper dental care,
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and Abraham moved the powers that be
to arrange this.
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He helped a man named Gedat,
who became this key leader
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and frequently traveled
to the United States,
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became a spiritual adviser to congressmen.
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We go back in his record and he says,
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"God has ordered us
to hunt down the Jews."
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And to great ends, then he went
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to wash clean the records
of these Nazi war criminals.
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And Vereide constantly emphasized this.
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The bigger the monster,
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the greater the work of God we're doing.
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If you're a Nazi and I forgive you,
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ah, God's grace is flowing through me.
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Forgiving and forgetting,
not holding accountable.
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And this becomes the model
for what would become
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theirsort of official slogan,
"A Worldwide Spiritual Offensive."
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Recruiting key men
into a veritable underground
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of God's men all through government.
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Diplomats scoff...
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to think that you're gonna waltz in there,
487
00:30:15,688 --> 00:30:18,441
have a little "Kumbaya" prayer time
488
00:30:18,525 --> 00:30:22,654
with these horri... some of these
despot leaders like Gadhafi, Sadam,
489
00:30:22,737 --> 00:30:25,031
uh, Bashir, and other regimes.
490
00:30:25,114 --> 00:30:28,701
I cannot tell you how many
State Department officials over the years
491
00:30:28,785 --> 00:30:32,580
would sit down or call me
and tell me that... "You're a naive fool.
492
00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:37,377
They're gonna use you
and embarrass the United States."
493
00:30:43,967 --> 00:30:48,763
The trip to see Gadhafi was inspired
by the president of Benin.
494
00:30:48,972 --> 00:30:52,517
The president calls Gadhafi.
Gadhafi sends his plane.
495
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,854
My friend and I were on the plane.
I'd rather not say who, but...
496
00:30:55,937 --> 00:30:57,480
Well, you say it in the book.
497
00:30:57,564 --> 00:30:59,858
Well, I only call him by his first name.
498
00:30:59,941 --> 00:31:01,860
All right, Doug. Doug Coe.
499
00:31:01,943 --> 00:31:04,279
All right, so, as Doug Coe and I
get on the airplane,
500
00:31:04,946 --> 00:31:08,241
and we travel hours to Tripoli.
501
00:31:09,492 --> 00:31:13,830
And then Gadhafi was furious,
so he wouldn't see us.
502
00:31:14,831 --> 00:31:17,542
So, we were called
to go see the foreign minister.
503
00:31:22,755 --> 00:31:24,716
The foreign minister was so angry
504
00:31:24,966 --> 00:31:29,012
and he started yelling, "Why are you here?
What do you want from us?
505
00:31:29,095 --> 00:31:31,598
Why didn't the president of Benin come?
Why isn't he here?"
506
00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:37,061
Because here's a former congressman
and Doug, whom they didn't know at all.
507
00:31:37,145 --> 00:31:39,439
And so, I knew we were in trouble, really.
508
00:31:39,772 --> 00:31:42,901
And, by the way,
we had to go without a passport,
509
00:31:43,234 --> 00:31:47,238
we couldn't buy a ticket,
we couldn't spend any money,
510
00:31:47,655 --> 00:31:51,284
and couldn't receive a visa,
'cause it was illegal under US law.
511
00:31:51,367 --> 00:31:54,746
So, no one knew we were there.
There's no evidence anywhere.
512
00:31:55,038 --> 00:31:58,374
And I was just sort of praying
while he was yelling at us,
513
00:31:58,458 --> 00:32:00,126
and it just occurred to me,
514
00:32:00,209 --> 00:32:01,209
humility...
515
00:32:02,503 --> 00:32:03,503
will work.
516
00:32:04,297 --> 00:32:06,424
So, I said, "Excuse me, Your Excellency.
517
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:09,594
I was a congressman during the time
518
00:32:10,261 --> 00:32:13,014
President Gadhafi's daughter
was killed by a US bomb."
519
00:32:13,097 --> 00:32:14,641
We were attempting to kill him.
520
00:32:15,683 --> 00:32:20,271
"Therefore, I have the spiritual authority
to ask for your forgiveness
521
00:32:20,521 --> 00:32:23,650
as a nation for killing his daughter."
522
00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:28,112
And immediately, he changed.
523
00:32:31,282 --> 00:32:35,536
He spoke Arabic, snapped his fingers
and they rushed in, tea and sandwiches.
524
00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:36,955
Filled the whole table.
525
00:32:38,164 --> 00:32:40,667
This is amazing.
It was like a transformation.
526
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:46,965
So, he gets up while we're eating.
He had to call the president, Gadhafi.
527
00:32:47,382 --> 00:32:50,051
He comes back,
and we get up to walk out,
528
00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:54,555
we hug each other and we hold hands
and pray. Three of us.
529
00:32:55,348 --> 00:32:57,308
And I could feel his hand trembling.
530
00:32:57,392 --> 00:33:00,269
And he looked at me and said,
"I have authority to tell you
531
00:33:00,353 --> 00:33:03,064
that you're gonna have good news
in ten days."
532
00:33:03,147 --> 00:33:05,817
He hugged a second time, and we left.
533
00:33:07,068 --> 00:33:08,444
Coe at that point
534
00:33:08,528 --> 00:33:11,948
had amassed a significant amount
of power and influence, right?
535
00:33:12,156 --> 00:33:15,410
And Gadhafi might say, "Look,
this is a good channel to work through."
536
00:33:16,661 --> 00:33:19,455
But whether Gadhafi does a damn thing,
537
00:33:20,164 --> 00:33:23,459
they get to go back and say,
"Yeah, we met Gadhafi."
538
00:33:24,794 --> 00:33:27,547
You walked into a room
with somebody that half the planet
539
00:33:27,630 --> 00:33:31,134
considers one of the most dangerous
men alive, and what did you do?
540
00:33:31,801 --> 00:33:34,429
We just got down on our knees
and we prayed to Jesus.
541
00:33:35,138 --> 00:33:37,140
The miracle stops right there
542
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,892
without people really thinking too deeply.
543
00:33:39,976 --> 00:33:42,770
"No, but wait a minute.
What was the point of that meeting again?"
544
00:33:44,564 --> 00:33:47,233
Ten days later, the two Libyans
545
00:33:47,316 --> 00:33:49,610
were released to be tried
at the Netherlands.
546
00:33:51,654 --> 00:33:56,659
And then the reconciliation began,
building US hotels and buying his oil.
547
00:33:56,743 --> 00:33:58,578
He denounced weapons of mass destruction.
548
00:33:59,579 --> 00:34:01,539
We didn't have, like, an agenda.
549
00:34:01,956 --> 00:34:06,669
It was simply letting the Holy Spirit do
whatever the Holy Spirit will want to do.
550
00:34:11,632 --> 00:34:14,761
"When you talk about setting up
meetings between political leaders
551
00:34:14,886 --> 00:34:16,888
on senatorial junkets to Afghanistan,
552
00:34:17,555 --> 00:34:21,059
where they can discuss
the political issues 'as brothers, '
553
00:34:21,267 --> 00:34:25,605
if I were an Afghan, I would ask,
'Down what road am I being taken?
554
00:34:26,773 --> 00:34:30,943
Are they using a religious gimmick
to get my government to adopt some laws?
555
00:34:32,403 --> 00:34:35,656
Where does politics end
and religion begin?'"
556
00:34:38,701 --> 00:34:40,411
The Family's foreign policy
557
00:34:40,495 --> 00:34:43,039
is the insistence that it is so simple.
558
00:34:43,122 --> 00:34:45,374
The insistence that it is so simple,
559
00:34:45,458 --> 00:34:48,503
backed up by the power of American Empire.
560
00:34:48,586 --> 00:34:51,631
When Senator Inhofe
and Congressman Siljander
561
00:34:51,714 --> 00:34:53,508
meet with these world leaders,
562
00:34:54,217 --> 00:34:55,217
they go...
563
00:34:56,010 --> 00:34:57,720
as representatives
564
00:34:57,804 --> 00:35:00,598
of the most powerful government
in the world,
565
00:35:00,681 --> 00:35:02,225
maybe in human history.
566
00:35:02,308 --> 00:35:04,727
And they like to pretend,
"I'm just a guy.
567
00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:08,689
I don't know why the president
of this nation agreed to meet me.
568
00:35:08,773 --> 00:35:10,817
I'm just a guy
talking about my Jesus thing.
569
00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:13,945
I don't know why they had
a military parade to greet me.
570
00:35:14,570 --> 00:35:15,905
Who knows?"
571
00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:23,162
General Sani Abacha.
For five years he ruled Nigeria
572
00:35:23,246 --> 00:35:25,998
in the most ruthless regime
in the country's history.
573
00:35:26,165 --> 00:35:29,502
Notoriously, he had jailed
and executed his opponents,
574
00:35:29,585 --> 00:35:32,421
including human rights activist
Ken Saro-Wiwa.
575
00:35:32,588 --> 00:35:34,715
But most of all, he looted the country.
576
00:35:37,385 --> 00:35:39,220
The first one we went to
577
00:35:39,303 --> 00:35:40,972
was a guy that our State Department
578
00:35:41,055 --> 00:35:42,890
thought was the worst terrorist
in the world.
579
00:35:42,974 --> 00:35:45,768
His name is Sani Abacha from Nigeria.
580
00:35:46,561 --> 00:35:50,857
We went in there and... and just...
not really knowing what we were doing.
581
00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:53,609
Inhofe travels to Africa
582
00:35:53,693 --> 00:35:57,864
and he sees General Sani Abacha,
the dictator of Nigeria.
583
00:35:59,198 --> 00:36:02,410
The intermissional government
is hereby dissolved.
584
00:36:02,493 --> 00:36:04,162
This guy who looted his country.
585
00:36:04,245 --> 00:36:07,665
The national and state assemblies
are also dissolved.
586
00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:10,918
The state executive councils
are dissolved.
587
00:36:11,586 --> 00:36:15,548
Abacha's a dangerous man
who had killed some of his own citizens.
588
00:36:17,925 --> 00:36:20,645
He started talking about
political things, so after a while,
589
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,840
I said, "Mr. President, really, yeah,
I'm a member of the United States Senate,
590
00:36:23,890 --> 00:36:26,910
but I didn't come over here as a senator.
In fact, we came all the way across
591
00:36:26,934 --> 00:36:29,812
the Atlantic
and down to sub-Saharan Africa
592
00:36:29,896 --> 00:36:33,107
to tell you that in the spirit of Jesus
we love you."
593
00:36:34,025 --> 00:36:36,027
That... Probably the first time
594
00:36:36,110 --> 00:36:38,905
this man has ever cried,
at least in front of people,
595
00:36:38,988 --> 00:36:40,281
when we prayed together.
596
00:36:41,574 --> 00:36:43,784
Bacha sends all of his aides
out of the room.
597
00:36:44,035 --> 00:36:46,078
So, now, here we have this access.
598
00:36:46,162 --> 00:36:50,333
This is what we have built this veritable
underground of men in government for.
599
00:36:51,042 --> 00:36:53,794
What did they say? They say,
"Brother, I love you." That's all.
600
00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:55,379
Not, "Brother, I love you,
601
00:36:55,463 --> 00:36:59,634
and let us talk about what love means
and let us talk about murder,
602
00:37:00,509 --> 00:37:03,471
about killing your own citizens."
603
00:37:04,013 --> 00:37:07,225
That's not what happens. Instead,
what's he saying it's all about?
604
00:37:07,308 --> 00:37:08,351
Jesus.
605
00:37:08,768 --> 00:37:12,772
And what do you know, the dictator says,
"Yeah, yeah, sure. Jesus."
606
00:37:13,105 --> 00:37:14,565
"Jesus?" Jesus.
607
00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:18,569
Jesus, Jesus. And the money flows.
And the guns flow.
608
00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:20,404
And the oil flows.
609
00:37:21,197 --> 00:37:24,742
There are all these ways
that these figures,
610
00:37:24,951 --> 00:37:28,788
in return for their deference,
their subservience,
611
00:37:28,871 --> 00:37:32,500
their recognition of the natural order
of God, are rewarded.
612
00:37:36,087 --> 00:37:37,630
From my perspective,
613
00:37:38,047 --> 00:37:40,466
the difficulties
with the Fellowship foundation
614
00:37:40,549 --> 00:37:43,094
go to the involvement in, um,
615
00:37:43,177 --> 00:37:44,762
in Africa,
616
00:37:44,845 --> 00:37:47,682
paying travel expenses
of members of Congress.
617
00:37:48,224 --> 00:37:51,811
There was always a veil
behind the sources of money.
618
00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:56,607
There's a budget, a fairly large budget,
many millions of dollars.
619
00:37:57,608 --> 00:37:58,985
There's a staff, too.
620
00:37:59,068 --> 00:38:02,738
But you might look at the records,
and one year their salary is this,
621
00:38:02,822 --> 00:38:04,573
and the next year their salary is zero.
622
00:38:04,657 --> 00:38:07,827
And yet, all the time,
they're flying around on private jets.
623
00:38:08,786 --> 00:38:11,414
This is what they call the "Man Method."
624
00:38:12,206 --> 00:38:14,792
You need to go visit
a head of state somewhere,
625
00:38:14,875 --> 00:38:17,336
so you ask a wealthy man,
"Can I use your jet?"
626
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:20,965
And he sees something in it for himself
where he is led by God.
627
00:38:22,216 --> 00:38:26,220
"God's method of all the ages
has been the 'Man Method.'
628
00:38:26,595 --> 00:38:30,558
Give me the man who will commit himself
utterly to Jesus Christ
629
00:38:30,641 --> 00:38:32,852
and our problems are largely solved."
630
00:38:33,936 --> 00:38:35,563
That's the "Man Method."
631
00:38:35,646 --> 00:38:37,523
Otherwise known as "off the books."
632
00:38:39,442 --> 00:38:43,612
The group of individuals
involved with this organization
633
00:38:43,696 --> 00:38:45,072
were truly unusual.
634
00:38:46,157 --> 00:38:49,660
In one case, even involvement
with an organization
635
00:38:49,744 --> 00:38:52,204
on the specially designated
nationals list,
636
00:38:52,288 --> 00:38:54,790
the so-called
list of terrorist organizations.
637
00:38:55,291 --> 00:38:58,461
A former United States Congressman
from West Michigan is going to prison
638
00:38:58,544 --> 00:39:00,963
for his connection to a terrorist group.
639
00:39:01,172 --> 00:39:04,050
Mark Siljander was sentenced today
in federal court,
640
00:39:04,133 --> 00:39:07,428
and 24 Hour News 8's Tom Hillen
is here now with what he did
641
00:39:07,511 --> 00:39:09,889
and how long he'll be behind bars. Tom.
642
00:39:09,972 --> 00:39:11,332
Well, good evening, Brian and Sue.
643
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:14,268
Today, a judge sentenced
former Congressman Mark Siljander
644
00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:16,854
to one year and one day in prison.
645
00:39:17,229 --> 00:39:20,232
Siljander pleaded guilty last year
to obstructing justice
646
00:39:20,316 --> 00:39:23,027
and for acting
as an unregistered foreign agent.
647
00:39:23,110 --> 00:39:26,530
He lied to the government,
but wasn't directly involved in terrorism.
648
00:39:31,619 --> 00:39:34,121
I was indicted for absurd charges.
649
00:39:35,289 --> 00:39:39,126
We needed to finance the trips,
so we created a nonprofit
650
00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:41,545
and we were seeking donations.
651
00:39:42,296 --> 00:39:45,716
And a Muslim charity said,
"We'd like to donate to you."
652
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:49,387
I said "Wow!
It's all been Christians so far.
653
00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:51,514
Wow, this is kind of affirmation."
654
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,185
Later, they're raided,
and evidently, they were accused
655
00:39:56,644 --> 00:40:00,523
and indicted
for stealing government funds,
656
00:40:00,606 --> 00:40:03,567
and they used that account
to pay the donations.
657
00:40:10,908 --> 00:40:15,162
The Fellowship was drawn in
because one of the checks went to them,
658
00:40:15,621 --> 00:40:18,124
and I felt terrible because my friends
659
00:40:18,207 --> 00:40:20,167
were being drawn into this quagmire.
660
00:40:21,585 --> 00:40:23,379
I was very angry at God.
661
00:40:23,587 --> 00:40:25,381
You know, doing all of this good work,
662
00:40:25,464 --> 00:40:27,967
and yet, you're allowing our whole family
663
00:40:28,050 --> 00:40:30,761
to be swept into this horrific web of...
664
00:40:31,053 --> 00:40:34,390
of accusations and innuendos.
665
00:40:36,058 --> 00:40:38,698
The Justice Department said
what Mark Siljander was doing
666
00:40:38,769 --> 00:40:41,313
was channeling money through the Family
667
00:40:41,522 --> 00:40:44,233
from a designated terrorist organization
668
00:40:44,316 --> 00:40:47,361
that wanted to be removed from the list
of supporters of terrorism.
669
00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:49,530
He was illegally lobbying for them
670
00:40:49,613 --> 00:40:52,158
and funneling the money
through the Family.
671
00:40:53,033 --> 00:40:56,078
The whole operation is not through
the Family, it is in the Family.
672
00:40:56,162 --> 00:40:57,746
It is of the Family. It...
673
00:40:57,830 --> 00:41:01,167
He was doing their work.
And he gets convicted.
674
00:41:15,014 --> 00:41:17,766
This referendum was a very simple question
675
00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:20,519
about the most basic institution
of society:
676
00:41:20,603 --> 00:41:22,605
marriage between a man and a woman,
677
00:41:22,688 --> 00:41:24,690
marriage between a mother and a father.
678
00:41:25,024 --> 00:41:28,360
Everyone is affected
by the result of this.
679
00:41:29,737 --> 00:41:32,948
Leaving aside the fact that
there's one member of the Family
680
00:41:33,032 --> 00:41:35,659
who gets indicted for conspiracy...
681
00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:39,580
a lot of the most problematic work
of the Family
682
00:41:39,663 --> 00:41:42,958
doesn't involve money changing hands.
That stuff's important.
683
00:41:45,377 --> 00:41:49,840
But more important are the ways
in which you shift the conversation
684
00:41:49,924 --> 00:41:51,509
not just right-ward,
685
00:41:51,717 --> 00:41:55,596
but towards an authoritarian idea
of religion.
686
00:41:56,138 --> 00:42:01,685
This abnormality
first polluted Western countries
687
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:06,482
and now we find it here.
688
00:42:07,775 --> 00:42:10,945
There are people in Romania,
as there are people in every country,
689
00:42:11,278 --> 00:42:14,949
who are working toward democracy
and human rights.
690
00:42:16,075 --> 00:42:17,493
The question is,
691
00:42:18,369 --> 00:42:20,729
if you're gonna go over there,
who do you come alongside of?
692
00:42:22,248 --> 00:42:26,252
I commend, uh, Romania
in their preserving traditional values.
693
00:42:26,335 --> 00:42:28,587
That is something I think
is very important for a nation.
694
00:42:29,171 --> 00:42:32,091
The traditional family is so important.
695
00:42:32,174 --> 00:42:35,427
And I think what makes a strong country
is having a strong family.
696
00:42:36,011 --> 00:42:38,722
And if the families of a country
are not strong,
697
00:42:38,806 --> 00:42:40,224
then the country cannot be strong.
698
00:42:40,307 --> 00:42:42,768
And that's why you have all...
699
00:42:42,851 --> 00:42:44,770
The information that I'm getting,
700
00:42:44,853 --> 00:42:48,148
and I also relayed this
to your prime minister,
701
00:42:48,232 --> 00:42:50,609
that having a strong family unit
702
00:42:50,901 --> 00:42:53,445
between a man and a woman
is very important.
703
00:42:53,529 --> 00:42:55,739
- Thank you very much.
- All right. Thank you very much.
704
00:42:58,826 --> 00:43:02,580
I mentioned to the Fellowship
that we were going to have a referendum
705
00:43:02,663 --> 00:43:06,000
in my last visit in, uh, US,
which was last year.
706
00:43:06,834 --> 00:43:09,837
Ever since then, I, uh,
was talking with them,
707
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,882
uh, several time, uh,
about what's going on with the process.
708
00:43:14,174 --> 00:43:15,092
The Fellowship,
709
00:43:15,175 --> 00:43:17,886
they are people that I can call them,
day or night,
710
00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:20,848
and my problem,
it will be their problem right away.
711
00:43:22,182 --> 00:43:24,768
I see it as a support group
for those countries
712
00:43:24,852 --> 00:43:27,688
that want to promote good values
in society.
713
00:43:28,814 --> 00:43:31,859
The Fellowship say that
legislation is not their battlefield.
714
00:43:31,942 --> 00:43:34,486
They've been explicit about that
from the beginning.
715
00:43:35,571 --> 00:43:39,199
Yet, you have this congressman,
probably the most powerful figure
716
00:43:39,283 --> 00:43:42,453
that has come across
the border of Romania for a while.
717
00:43:43,245 --> 00:43:44,496
What does he say he's doing?
718
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,876
Building relationships.
And he's speaking about family values.
719
00:43:52,046 --> 00:43:54,298
So, this is May 29.
720
00:43:55,966 --> 00:43:58,636
So, he meets with Ben-Oni Ardelean...
721
00:44:00,471 --> 00:44:03,349
former Prime Minister Sorin Grindeanu,
who...
722
00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:08,103
Marian Munteanu, he's pretty much
a right wing person,
723
00:44:08,187 --> 00:44:10,064
an extremist right wing.
724
00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:13,942
And yes, Mihai Gidea of Antenna3,
725
00:44:14,026 --> 00:44:18,947
who is one of the leading
news TV stations in Romania.
726
00:44:19,573 --> 00:44:22,660
This sort of lobbying,
this sort of talking,
727
00:44:22,743 --> 00:44:26,246
this sort of keeping in touch,
trading favors,
728
00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:30,417
uh, everything can influence
a certain process to move forward.
729
00:44:50,062 --> 00:44:54,274
It is not US foreign policy to stop
same-sex marriage in Romania...
730
00:44:55,609 --> 00:44:57,778
yet you have this congressman coming
731
00:44:57,861 --> 00:45:01,699
to give support to this idea.
732
00:45:02,449 --> 00:45:05,452
And he can say, "That's just my opinion,
I'm just representing Jesus."
733
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:09,081
And the Family can say,
"It's not our policy either.
734
00:45:09,164 --> 00:45:12,876
We just paid for Bob to go.
And he did what God led him to do.
735
00:45:13,502 --> 00:45:15,129
We didn't tell him to do that."
736
00:45:17,047 --> 00:45:18,799
When you're elected
as a member of Congress,
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00:45:18,882 --> 00:45:22,052
you're representing the United States
in an official capacity.
738
00:45:22,803 --> 00:45:24,930
If you go off
and meet with a head of state,
739
00:45:25,013 --> 00:45:27,391
you can't suddenly become unofficial.
740
00:45:27,474 --> 00:45:28,809
And that's what they were doing.
741
00:45:29,810 --> 00:45:33,522
It was a result gay rights
supporters in Romania were hoping for.
742
00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:38,902
On Sunday, they celebrated, after a vote
to change Romania's Constitution failed.
743
00:45:42,281 --> 00:45:44,241
They said if the poll was successful,
744
00:45:44,324 --> 00:45:48,704
it would embolden further attempts to
chip away at the rights of minority groups
745
00:45:48,787 --> 00:45:52,124
and push the country
onto a populist authoritarian track.
746
00:46:01,967 --> 00:46:05,220
The Family dispatch
representatives around the world
747
00:46:05,304 --> 00:46:07,556
to build these relationships
with foreign leaders
748
00:46:08,515 --> 00:46:11,143
to teach them to be God-led through them.
749
00:46:18,942 --> 00:46:22,279
They make negotiations
without our consent.
750
00:46:23,572 --> 00:46:27,409
This is nonconsensual diplomacy.
751
00:46:28,202 --> 00:46:31,955
They are not transparent
about their role in affairs
752
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:35,584
of global power
that affect the lives of millions.
753
00:46:37,711 --> 00:46:39,951
- Who do you think that was?
- Douglas Coe.
754
00:46:40,005 --> 00:46:41,089
Oh, okay.
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