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It's an honor to be with so many
faith leaders, members of Congress,
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and dignitaries from all around the world
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as we continue
this extraordinary tradition.
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Each year, this event reminds us
that faith is central to American life
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and to liberty.
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The National Prayer Breakfast
is 100% the Family's event.
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An event that is meant to be
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this very public display of power.
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I mean, to gather all those people...
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Tell me, who else can do that?
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The President of
the United States and the First Lady.
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The National Prayer Breakfast: a Washington institution
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for Republican and Democratic presidents
since Eisenhower.
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President Nixon was up early
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to attend the National Prayer Breakfast.
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And yet, the organization
describes itself as invisible.
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They've been hiding in plain sight
for over 80 years.
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There's a little-known
organization in Washington
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with a worldwide reach
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and enormous, and sometimes surprising,
political connections.
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I'm a representative
of Russian Federation here,
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and I'm a chairman
of The Right to Bear Arms.
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Her name is Maria Butina:
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the 29 year-old accused of using deception
to cozy up to high-level politicians
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and steer them toward Moscow's objectives.
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That's Butina
at the 2017 National Prayer Breakfast,
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in the same room as Donald Trump.
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We have a prayer breakfast every February.
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The President comes,
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the Vice President comes,
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and everybody is welcome.
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If I were a bad-faith actor
from another country,
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that is exactly the kind of meeting
that I would want to exploit.
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Hark! All worry will be left behind.
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All disappointment, too,
will be gone forever.
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We adopted a program
for a worldwide spiritual offensive.
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I know, as never before,
that we are all God's children.
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There is only one thing
we can take with us through that door:
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Those whom we have led to the Savior.
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Fear him.
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Love him. Submit yourself completely.
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Then you will be his disciple.
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What we have begun, we will finish.
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Whenever I get involved
in an important meeting or conversation,
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I... I usually try to commit it to prayer,
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so would anybody be offended if I...
if I asked for a word of prayer here?
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You know, I learned, uh, years ago...
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I used to ask people
if I could pray for them.
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And one of the things I learned from...
from Doug Coe is, uh...
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Um...
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Instead of doing that, I ask,
"How can I ask God to bless you today?"
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And, so, does anybody...
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How can I ask God
to bless anybody here in your crew today?
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And we'll pray for that.
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Our Father and our God,
we just thank you for this opportunity
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to talk about a great work, uh,
in lifting up the name of Jesus
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and representing the kingdom of God
around the world, and I just ask that...
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Tell me a bit
about Doug's background.
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Where... Where did he come from?
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How... How did he come to this, um...
powerful idea,
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and brought so many people to his vision?
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Well, well... I... I need to qualify,
and if I misspoke I apologize,
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but it really wasn't Doug
that initiated this.
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But, uh... It was a gentleman
named Abraham Vereide,
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who immigrated to the U.S. from Norway.
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If you go back
to the origins of the Family,
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they're wholly unique in one singular way:
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the central vision with which it begins,
which they call "The Idea,"
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and the founder,
this man named Abraham Vereide.
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We are committed
to a Fellowship of responsible men,
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banded together to promote
a leadership led by God.
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Christians become leaders
and help make leaders Christian.
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Abraham was sort of an unlikely founder.
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He was Norwegian.
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His biography is called Modern Viking.
He really looked the part.
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♪ When I fell in love with Jesus
And he fell in love with me ♪
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♪ That's the very reason
I felt this victory ♪
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Abraham emigrated to Seattle,
but he was focused on the poor.
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So he convened a breakfast
where he brought together businessmen
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to pray for the needs of the city.
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When I arrived as an immigrant,
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I was handed a testament.
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Abraham, that was fine.
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This group of men encouraged Abraham
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about his vision
of a leadership led by God.
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There was a very strong movement
of prayer in Norway,
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since the Norwegian Parliament was built.
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Abraham brought this idea of politicians
praying together to Washington D.C.
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He ended up moving to Washington
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to start a similar movement
among political leaders.
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He came to Washington
and started to play golf
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with the vice president, Henry Wallace.
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He brought together
Democrats and Republicans,
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and they prayed together
for good leadership.
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I can remember coming home
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and finding the women on their knees,
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praying for their husbands,
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and just calling out for God.
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"Help them to be the leaders
that God intended them to be."
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In 1953,
President Eisenhower was in office.
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They met with Dwight Eisenhower
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and asked Eisenhower to come
to a National Prayer Breakfast.
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We require faith,
self-confidence, devotion.
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Tenacity. Always tenacity.
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The 1950s, of course, is the Cold War.
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Eisenhower understood the Cold War
as a holy war.
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Abraham's deeply concerned, as well.
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Communism is such a powerful ideology.
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You can almost sort of think of it
as an atheist empire.
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What do we have to counter it?
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We need something just as strong.
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So the idea was,
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"Let us find the key men
put in positions of power by God.
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And let us give them
the support they need.
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Let us love them."
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So the first National Prayer Breakfast,
which takes place in 1953,
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is an essential turning point.
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Abraham is thinking in terms of key men.
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Who could be more the key man
than the president of the United States?
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They went to Eisenhower.
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And Eisenhower's first instinct was no,
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because the First Amendment,
the separation of Church and State...
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If a president appears
at a Christian event
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and gives that endorsement,
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this is inappropriate
for a president to do.
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But pretty quickly,
he realizes how effective this is
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to fight the Cold War.
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This annual breakfast is
in commemoration of the organization,
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which was first organized
in Seattle, Washington.
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We believe it's imperative,
in order to preserve our sacred freedoms,
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that we have a strong and courageous
God-fearing people,
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and a total mobilization
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of all the spiritual forces
of this nation.
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Thank you, so much Mr. President.
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It worked for Eisenhower.
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It was advantageous in the fight
against Communism,
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in which God was weaponized.
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But the Prayer Breakfast is
potentially advantageous
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for all sorts of reasons.
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Relationships could grow out of that.
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Really surprising ones.
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I tell you,
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in Russia, before the door was open,
we had persecutions.
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The police may come to you,
three o'clock in the morning,
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can search your apartment
for Bibles, and...
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and arrest you.
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I grew up in a persecuted church.
I was arrested twice.
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I spent 30 days in prison.
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I lost my job as an engineer,
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and I was unemployed for the year
because I was a Christian.
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I was a Baptist.
It means, uh, enemy of the state.
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I grew up in a environment
that people hate me
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because I was not atheist,
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like most of the people
in my country at that time.
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Tonight, Moscow's skyline was ablaze
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with the sound and sights of celebration.
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And then, silence.
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Breathtaking stillness,
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as the crowd stood to remember
the victims of the coup.
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At the end of the Soviet Union,
it was interesting time,
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because we grew up in the environment
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that it was prohibited
to meet with the foreigners.
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So, we had a huge interest
for everything what is American.
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And Americans was like the people
from the moon.
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♪ Glory, glory, hallelujah ♪
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♪ Glory, glory, hallelujah ♪
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♪ Glory, glory, hallelujah ♪
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♪ His truth is marching on ♪
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In the early '90s,
a lot of Evangelicals came to Russia.
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Not just Billy Graham.
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I've been asked to tell you
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that this may be the largest audience
in the history of Russia!
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A lot of Russians has
a spiritual interest.
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Is there any hope for you?
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For your family?
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For your friends?
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I read in the paper the other day
that more people in Russia
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believe in Satan
than they do in God, even.
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And first question Russian asked,
"Who is that God?"
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So we live in different society.
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Every time that I talk with American
about Christianity, they say,
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"Christianity became weaker and weaker.
We are not a Christian country anymore."
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I will say, "No, guys. You don't know
what you are talking about.
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You're a Christian country.
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And that moral system and ethical system
saturated your society.
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Maybe you don't declare it,
but you still use that.
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And we don't have it."
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Point number one: corruption.
It's a huge problem.
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And that's how Russian society operates.
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And the only future, and the only hope,
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they need someone who will present them
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the values, what they can believe.
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In year 2000,
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I was invited first time
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for the National Prayer Breakfast
in, uh, Washington, D.C.
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And I came,
and I didn't understand anything.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
the President of the United States
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and the First Lady.
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It was, uh, Bill Clinton.
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Hillary was there, Hillary Clinton,
and a lot of important people,
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congressmen and senators.
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But it was absolutely new experience,
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so I didn't understand what...
what is all about.
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I sit in a table with the prime minister
from country in Europe,
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and he treat me like a brother,
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and I sit with the American congressman
next to me,
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and he also treat me like a brother.
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And then it was my first time
that I went to the Capitol Hill,
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and I was in a Bible study
with members of the Congress and Senate,
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and they talk to each other very openly.
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Later on, I met with Doug Coe.
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That first time I met him,
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I had an impression:
he looks like a godfather.
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Because he had a lot of influence,
and people respect him,
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and all of us show that respect.
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He talked to me like...
like a friend.
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Like we know each other for years.
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He had that kind of talent,
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to present himself to people
like friend and brother in Christ.
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So I was impressed.
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Abraham Vereide was a tremendous man
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with whom I labored for years
before he died.
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I loved him like my own father.
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In 1969, Abraham Vereide dies.
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He is promoted to heaven.
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And there's this question,
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since he was anointed by God
for leadership:
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who's going to be the successor?
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And there's a number
of sort of key lieutenants,
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men, older men of accomplishment,
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who have been with the movement
for a long time.
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They're all guys with big egos,
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and they want it known
when they're in the room.
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Then this young, awkward guy from Oregon,
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of no great prestige or accomplishment,
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really quickly moves up
the Fellowship ranks.
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Many of them noted the quietness
with which he moves.
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And somehow, Doug Coe comes up on top.
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♪ We can't afford ♪
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♪ Any fancy preaching ♪
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♪ We can't afford ♪
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♪ Any fancy church ♪
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♪ But you know Jesus got
A lotta poor people out doing his work ♪
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He would listen more than he would talk.
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And that was his trademark.
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Most Evangelists don't.
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Most politicians don't.
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Doug Coe did.
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Maybe the most important Ministry
is not necessarily evangelizing
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to 1,000 or 10,000 or 100,000 people,
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but actually going to someone's home
and sitting on the front porch with them,
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and through your actions,
words, and deeds,
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that you would actually come to love them.
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♪ Me and Jesus... ♪
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Doug wanted to stay behind the scenes.
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He never wanted his name mentioned.
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He didn't want
his family's name mentioned.
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He believed what the word says,
that if it's about our flesh
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and it's about our fame
and it's about our popularity,
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then we're getting in the way
of what Jesus is trying to do with people,
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and he removed himself from it.
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Now, that may have led
to a period of quiet,
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where people thought we're trying
to hide something.
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The Family of God
is working invisibly, all over the world.
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And it is invisibly spreading.
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You say the Mafia,
they keep their organization invisible.
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The more you can make
your organization invisible,
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the more influence it will have.
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Around the time
when Abraham died in 1969,
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Doug started to kind of dismantle
this organization,
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and make it more invisible.
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Make it less of an organization,
but more like a... a network of friends.
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When it started,
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they went the route
of a lot of other ministries.
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They had a letterhead,
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and they had all the trappings
of every other religious ministry.
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Matter of fact, they were called ICL,
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which stood for
International Christian Leadership
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Well, they got rid of all of that.
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It's gone through any number of names.
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It was called International Christian
Leadership for a long time.
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There's a Fellowship Foundation as well.
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But Doug sees the branding power
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of just getting people internally
to refer to it as the Family.
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Remaking the organization
in his own image,
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which is to say, no image at all.
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It's a powerful transformation,
right down to the little details.
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You can see an example
in the National Prayer Breakfast.
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Now you're no longer invited
to National Prayer Breakfasts
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by this organization,
you're invited by a congressman.
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When I would ask people
at the Prayer Breakfast who puts it on,
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everyone would say Congress.
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And then I asked Doug, you know,
"Why do you obscure your role?"
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And he said something like,
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"Well, if people thought
we were behind it,
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do you think they would come?"
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When I came to the Prayer Breakfast,
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I couldn't help but think
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that this is the government-sanctioned
Prayer Breakfast.
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It seems as though Congress
is privileging Christianity.
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It certainly sends an appearance
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that has to make you have
some First Amendment questions
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about blurring the lines
between church and state.
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It was a central idea going back to 1953.
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Their idea was,
"What we want is a public ritual
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consecrating the United States to Jesus."
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Every president since has gone.
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So you think you're going
to this official event.
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This morning's program...
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There's an opening speaker,
an opening prayer.
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...that hundreds of the nation's
most respected leaders
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have gathered here in the name
of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
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Doug Coe does not speak.
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He's always there.
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Every now and then,
someone nods to him.
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This breakfast is a result of years
of quiet diplomacy...
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I wouldn't say secret diplomacy...
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uh, quiet diplomacy,
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by an ambassador of faith,
Doug Coe, and I salute him.
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First Prayer Breakfast that I attended,
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I began to see Doug's impact globally.
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He started meeting people
around the world.
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And you kind of realize like, wow,
this man is orchestrating all of this.
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His hands are on all of it,
to the tune of cleaning the fork.
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Using the National Prayer Breakfast,
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it's almost impossible to overstate
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the Family's reach and access
to governments all over the world.
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And from that, everything blossomed.
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All other ministries, all other outreach,
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came from the power of that
and its influence in the world.
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Is there any work
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that Jesus Christ expects
from every single person in this room?
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What is the common work
that we are engaged in,
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whether together or apart?
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Well, the Fellowship is interested
in every country around the world.
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They would love to have, uh, an active
Prayer Breakfast movement
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in every nation of the world.
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I want him to start
Prayer Breakfasts in all the nations.
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I want him to start groups
that reach leaders.
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And then if you reach leaders,
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then the whole nation
will be influenced for Christ,
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and all the people will come to Christ,
if we reach these leaders.
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And little by little, you share
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what we're of one heart about,
one mind about.
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The work of God,
this believing in the Son,
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will go in every nation in the world.
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I traveled with Doug
for a Prayer Breakfast in Japan
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and saw his influence over there.
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So back then I started to see
where Doug's desire was
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to take it bigger than Washington,
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and now get the globe
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taking on more of what he had built.
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Clearly they had a vision,
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that you could use ties
to the most powerful
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to evangelize the world,
and that never went away.
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- Welcome.
- Good morning.
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There are some statements...
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Like, for instance, you say there is
no such thing as a "capital F" Fellowship.
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But the President gets up
and thanks Doug Coe.
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Unpack a little bit more for us,
what it means to be not an organization,
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but clearly, this is organized.
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I think it was Jesus that said,
"Call no man leader."
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So we're very comfortable with the fact
that it's kind of invisible.
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You know? Doug never wanted
to found any organization.
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I can say I knew Doug pretty well.
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Forty-four years ago,
I asked his oldest to marry me,
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having no idea what I was getting into.
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My particular focus
is the former Soviet Union,
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where I've been going
for the last 52 years.
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I speak Russian.
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But I've kinda got a lifelong love affair
for that part of the world,
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that the Lord as a college student sent me
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on a National Defense Fellowship in 1965.
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And you know,
they choreograph all the things you do.
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You know, you had a guide and everything.
It was very restricted.
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But at night, I'd go out in the park.
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And of course I could speak Russian,
so I'd talk to kids.
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And they'd come up and they'd ask me...
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Do you believe in God?
And I'd tell them about Jesus.
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And I found they were so hungry
to know him.
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And that started a lifelong adventure.
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In year... 2008 I believe,
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that year Doug Burleigh visited Moscow
and share the same vision,
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what Doug Coe had
for the Prayer Breakfast.
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In that time I start to meet with
the members of the Russian parliament.
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We call it State Duma.
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We have four main political parties
in Russia.
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They are not good friends.
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They fight each other every time
in State Duma, sometimes physically.
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So it was huge risk for us
to invite representatives
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from different political parties to come
to the Parliamentary Prayer Breakfast.
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And we met first time,
they start to fight,
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and they fight for, I don't know,
almost for one hour.
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And I thought, "That's the end.
They will never come again."
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But God is God of miracle,
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and next month we call and invite them
to come again, and they... they show up.
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All of them. It was first experience
that they read Scripture aloud.
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After that, they start to ask
the questions about what we read.
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So we start to talk
about spiritual things.
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And we did it every month for a few years.
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Right now, we have people who are
on a very high position in Parliament.
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If we would like to make changes
in society, we should start from the top.
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We should explain to people on the top
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how it's important to bring
positive changes to Russian society.
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So we declare that we stand behind
traditional family values,
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we can bring moral and ethical values
to our society.
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The topic of my speech today
is traditional family values.
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This is an institution established by God.
This is a union between man and woman.
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Everybody present here has stood by
and will stand for this.
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Mr. Torshin,
he attends the National Prayer Breakfast
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in Russia, constantly.
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He is really concerned
about traditional family values.
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So Alexander Torshin is
a influential Russian politician...
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Alexander Torshin...
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...who regularly visited the United States
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and would show up
in conservative Christian circles
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He also attended
a Russian Prayer Breakfast
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with Maria Butina.
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Maria Butina is a Russian national,
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who very much operated
out of Torshin's mold.
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She came to the United States
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and was also showing up
with prominent politicians.
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Conservative ones, generally.
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But these sorts of connections
had, in fact,
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already been forged along religious lines
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long before Butina arrived.
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When the Soviet Union had broken up,
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Doug Coe visited 16 countries
in 16 days and met with the leaders.
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A few years later, Alexander Torshin,
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who was very close to Putin,
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came to see Doug and said,
"Now I need your help.
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We want for certain leaders to meet.
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We think you are the only person
who can get them together."
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He was very nervous,
and as they sat down,
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he started to try to flatter Doug,
to say that...
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"We know that you are
the most powerful person in the world,"
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and Doug immediately said,
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"I have to protest against
that description.
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I am just a friend."
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And then Doug took his watch
and gave it to Torshin.
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And Torshin took off the watch he had
and said,
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"Actually, Putin gave me this watch,
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but from now on
I will have this American watch."
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Roughly around the time of 2012,
in the beginning of Putin's third term,
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you started to see the party line
within certain subsets
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of conservative Evangelical Christianity
in the United States shifts
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from Russia as the great evil
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to Russia as an ally
for conservative positions.
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So who... who is it?
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Which president is
the lion of Christianity,
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the defender of Christian values?
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I look over to Russia.
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Russia, Putin,
the Russian Orthodox Church
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has now lifted themself up
as the moral leader of the world.
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I was very clear. I supported, uh, Putin
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uh, in his decision to protect
his nation's children,
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and I think our Congress needs to do more.
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The president that's calling his nation
back to embracing its identity
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as a nation founded on Christian values...
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As the protectors of moral truth.
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Vladimir Putin, the president of Russia.
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This is a map of the Eurasian continent.
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The Family starts as anti-Communist...
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But in the great heartland
of Russia itself...
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...and has always
been thinking about Russia.
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Even back when I was at Ivanwald,
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the brothers spoke
of an Ivanwald-like house in Moscow.
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The larger picture is the way
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the National Prayer Breakfast
in particular played this role
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of being a tool to make deals
without democracy in the room.
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The question then arises:
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are they witting or unwitting accomplices
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to those who are uninterested in Jesus,
but simply want to use this access?
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This is a paraphernalia
from the 2018 National Prayer Breakfast.
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Here's your ticket. I like this ticket
'cause it looks like a Willy Wonka ticket.
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Here's your invitation. It says,
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"Dear Friends, it is our honor
and privilege to welcome you
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to the 66th annual
National Prayer Breakfast."
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So then we have these excerpts
from past presidents.
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Here's Eisenhower,
here's JFK, here's Nixon.
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In the beginning, lest we think
that they're hiding anything,
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we have: "History.
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The gathering
you are participating in this morning
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traces its roots to a local vision.
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In April of 1935, 19 business executives
in Seattle, Washington,
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met together to face a critical situation
in the life of their city."
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This much is true, it begins in 1935.
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It doesn't mention that crisis
was organized labor.
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In Seattle, in the 1930s, Abraham's been
doing good works up until then.
490
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:30,078
He had been a leader
in Goodwill Industries.
491
00:30:30,912 --> 00:30:32,247
Worked for the poor.
492
00:30:32,747 --> 00:30:35,500
Abraham saw the suffering
of the Great Depression.
493
00:30:36,125 --> 00:30:37,794
Every day, people started saying,
494
00:30:37,877 --> 00:30:39,879
"We're not going to depend on
what is given us.
495
00:30:39,963 --> 00:30:44,717
We're going to organize and share
through organized labor."
496
00:30:45,927 --> 00:30:49,389
In 1934, there was a general strike
up and down the west coast.
497
00:30:49,889 --> 00:30:53,017
Troops are called in.
There's warships off the coast.
498
00:30:53,101 --> 00:30:55,562
You had, essentially, guerrilla warfare.
499
00:30:57,021 --> 00:31:01,025
I saw everywhere sights
that made my heart sick.
500
00:31:01,401 --> 00:31:06,573
Subversive forces had taken over.
Things were clearly at a low ebb.
501
00:31:07,073 --> 00:31:11,578
What could we do? And who would dare
lead on for better things?
502
00:31:12,787 --> 00:31:16,958
By then he had already
gravitated toward leaders of industry.
503
00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:20,336
And he has concluded
that labor unions are agents of the enemy,
504
00:31:20,962 --> 00:31:22,797
that they are doing Satanic work.
505
00:31:24,007 --> 00:31:27,260
He gathers 19 industrialists,
19 business leaders.
506
00:31:27,343 --> 00:31:28,928
They are united in their belief
507
00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:31,347
that their wealth
must be protected by force,
508
00:31:31,431 --> 00:31:35,852
and that the force will be most effective
if it is backed up by God.
509
00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:40,523
It began with a meeting
of 19 business executives.
510
00:31:40,982 --> 00:31:42,692
A new purpose was recognized.
511
00:31:43,943 --> 00:31:45,737
Producing Christian leadership.
512
00:31:46,321 --> 00:31:50,241
New power came as men believed
and obeyed God.
513
00:31:51,534 --> 00:31:54,871
Out of that meeting grows
what Abraham would later call
514
00:31:54,954 --> 00:31:56,456
a New World Order.
515
00:31:57,290 --> 00:32:00,418
This was really the beginning
of the Prayer Breakfast movement,
516
00:32:00,501 --> 00:32:03,421
where these men
would get together and pray
517
00:32:04,088 --> 00:32:07,675
for God to raise up leaders
from their group.
518
00:32:09,302 --> 00:32:14,724
Out of that group came the mayor
of the city and the governor of the state.
519
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,561
They picked one among them,
a man named Arthur Langley.
520
00:32:19,103 --> 00:32:22,148
They elected him mayor,
and then they elected him governor.
521
00:32:22,231 --> 00:32:23,775
He crushed labor.
522
00:32:27,695 --> 00:32:29,948
The New York Times marveled over
523
00:32:30,031 --> 00:32:34,535
the just absolutely eradication
of the left in Washington state.
524
00:32:36,913 --> 00:32:40,208
In the aftermath of the battle,
God comes down and speaks to him.
525
00:32:40,291 --> 00:32:42,502
He says, "You know
what the problem is, Abraham?
526
00:32:42,585 --> 00:32:46,339
It's that Christianity has been
focusing on those rabble for too long.
527
00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:49,884
What we need to do is fortify men
528
00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:54,013
who will take the strong hand
and restore law and order."
529
00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:55,640
Strength.
530
00:32:55,932 --> 00:32:57,809
Christianity is not a weak thing.
531
00:32:58,601 --> 00:33:04,023
Woe to the pussy-footing, namby-pamby,
wishy-washy, dilly-dallying individual
532
00:33:04,107 --> 00:33:06,317
who bears the name of Christ
533
00:33:06,401 --> 00:33:08,903
and who fails to recognize
that all things are possible
534
00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:12,991
to him that believes
with courage and confident boldness.
535
00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:16,327
Put on the whole armor of God.
536
00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:19,497
That's the Prayer Breakfast.
537
00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:22,875
And that's what's in it,
for those who attend.
538
00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:29,549
You can't buy a ticket
to the Prayer Breakfast.
539
00:33:29,882 --> 00:33:32,719
You get invited. That's intentional.
540
00:33:33,177 --> 00:33:36,305
In a family, you don't buy a ticket
541
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:39,100
to go to a friend's house
for dinner, do you?
542
00:33:39,183 --> 00:33:40,393
You get invited.
543
00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:44,981
In other words,
it's all about relationships.
544
00:33:46,274 --> 00:33:49,027
And that's intentional.
That was the idea from the beginning.
545
00:33:50,153 --> 00:33:52,030
That was Abraham Vereide's dream.
546
00:33:53,698 --> 00:33:55,783
The Prayer Breakfast
is kind of a misnomer.
547
00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,536
It really is, um, in some respects...
548
00:33:58,619 --> 00:34:02,373
It could be as much as
a week-long series of events,
549
00:34:02,457 --> 00:34:05,918
particularly to accommodate
some of the international guests,
550
00:34:06,002 --> 00:34:10,757
hopefully, to develop relationships
and maintain those as you go back home.
551
00:34:11,257 --> 00:34:14,677
It is now like
a two-and-a-half day extravaganza.
552
00:34:14,761 --> 00:34:17,472
Uh, it's like 25 different sessions,
553
00:34:17,555 --> 00:34:20,266
in different ways
that you can plug in or plug out of,
554
00:34:20,683 --> 00:34:23,144
all around the actual breakfast.
555
00:34:23,561 --> 00:34:26,773
There's a Wednesday morning
Middle East Prayer Breakfast.
556
00:34:26,856 --> 00:34:29,817
Wednesday at noon,
there's a international luncheon.
557
00:34:30,276 --> 00:34:32,945
And then Wednesday evening,
regional dinners.
558
00:34:33,404 --> 00:34:35,406
Thursday morning is the Prayer Breakfast.
559
00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:38,159
Thursday noon,
we have the Leadership Luncheon.
560
00:34:38,242 --> 00:34:40,578
Thursday night is a family dinner.
561
00:34:40,870 --> 00:34:45,291
Sometimes people start days before,
and continue on through the weekend.
562
00:34:46,709 --> 00:34:52,048
They put this on
to bring together world leaders to pray,
563
00:34:52,131 --> 00:34:56,594
but also to talk shop,
to make connections.
564
00:34:56,677 --> 00:34:59,097
Basically, to spread influence.
565
00:34:59,972 --> 00:35:02,910
If you go to a National Prayer Breakfast,
you'd meet foreign heads of State,
566
00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:06,729
you'd meet members of Congress,
you'd meet business people.
567
00:35:06,813 --> 00:35:10,441
And many, many attendees
see it in just those terms.
568
00:35:12,235 --> 00:35:15,113
One lobbyist, a former U.S. ambassador,
569
00:35:15,571 --> 00:35:19,700
offered to broker a meeting
between Trump and the President of Chad.
570
00:35:20,618 --> 00:35:23,538
The price: $220,000.
571
00:35:24,831 --> 00:35:28,251
Within the Family,
it's very clearly meant to be
572
00:35:28,918 --> 00:35:31,212
the most open-ended gateway.
573
00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:33,673
Not just in this one morning breakfast.
574
00:35:33,756 --> 00:35:38,261
It's essentially a week-long,
off-the-books, de facto lobbying festival.
575
00:35:38,803 --> 00:35:40,888
As one Evangelical leader put it,
576
00:35:41,264 --> 00:35:44,559
"Many people use it for entree,
and entree they get."
577
00:35:46,811 --> 00:35:49,272
The more I studied
the National Prayer Breakfast,
578
00:35:49,355 --> 00:35:50,940
the more I studied the Fellowship,
579
00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:53,067
the more obvious it became to me
580
00:35:53,151 --> 00:35:56,070
that if I were a bad faith actor
from another country,
581
00:35:56,362 --> 00:35:59,073
that is exactly the kind of meeting
that I would want to exploit.
582
00:36:00,241 --> 00:36:02,493
It just seems like it's set up
583
00:36:02,577 --> 00:36:06,497
for people to be able to barge
into the room, metaphorically,
584
00:36:06,581 --> 00:36:09,417
and be close to power.
585
00:36:10,209 --> 00:36:16,632
In 2018, I noticed that there was
a disproportionately large delegation
586
00:36:16,966 --> 00:36:20,887
of as many as 60 Russians
that were planning on attending.
587
00:36:24,932 --> 00:36:29,854
This year, uh, we invited
40 young professionals from Russia,
588
00:36:29,937 --> 00:36:33,316
and I started getting texts
from all over the country.
589
00:36:33,774 --> 00:36:36,235
"What... What's the deal
with the Russian collusion?"
590
00:36:37,695 --> 00:36:40,156
And I said,
"Boy, there's big-time collusion.
591
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,701
It's... It's the Russians and Jesus.
That's the collusion."
592
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:46,370
How's that one? Okay?
593
00:36:48,748 --> 00:36:52,752
There were certain actors,
like Alexander Torshin,
594
00:36:53,002 --> 00:36:54,629
that I was trying to track down,
595
00:36:54,712 --> 00:36:57,715
whether he had been invited
to the 2018 Prayer Breakfast,
596
00:36:57,798 --> 00:36:59,508
and as it turns out he was.
597
00:37:00,801 --> 00:37:04,597
A couple months later, new sanctions
were issued for Russian actors,
598
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,350
including against Alexander Torshin.
599
00:37:07,516 --> 00:37:11,854
He was alleged to have multiple ties
to money laundering
600
00:37:11,938 --> 00:37:14,065
and organized crime in Russia.
601
00:37:15,441 --> 00:37:17,652
There was also an attempt
for Alexander Torshin
602
00:37:17,735 --> 00:37:19,946
to meet Trump during the Prayer Breakfast,
603
00:37:20,029 --> 00:37:22,114
but that was canceled last minute.
604
00:37:22,949 --> 00:37:25,660
The Fellowship, they just don't care
who's coming
605
00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:27,912
or who they're meeting with
when they arrive.
606
00:37:28,829 --> 00:37:31,249
They're primarily fixated
on relationship-building
607
00:37:31,332 --> 00:37:33,000
amongst people of power.
608
00:37:33,501 --> 00:37:34,501
And so that told me
609
00:37:34,543 --> 00:37:37,338
the Prayer Breakfast could be a space
that could easily be exploited.
610
00:37:38,339 --> 00:37:42,009
I went even deeper. I tried to meet
and talk with Doug Burleigh,
611
00:37:42,385 --> 00:37:44,387
and I tracked down that he had,
612
00:37:45,096 --> 00:37:50,226
as of last year,
spoken at a Russian Prayer Breakfast...
613
00:37:52,728 --> 00:37:54,772
...alongside Alexander Torshin.
614
00:37:56,399 --> 00:37:57,984
And then the affidavit broke.
615
00:37:59,193 --> 00:38:02,571
Breaking news: The DOJ charging a Russian agent
616
00:38:02,655 --> 00:38:04,240
for trying to create a backchannel
617
00:38:04,323 --> 00:38:06,325
between that country and the United States
618
00:38:06,409 --> 00:38:09,412
so Russia could penetrate
American decision-making.
619
00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:15,042
Maria Butina was charged with conspiracy
to act as a foreign agent
620
00:38:15,126 --> 00:38:16,502
for the Russian Federation
621
00:38:16,585 --> 00:38:19,088
without registering
with the Department of Justice,
622
00:38:19,171 --> 00:38:20,923
which, it turns out, is a crime.
623
00:38:21,257 --> 00:38:23,426
What that meant in practice
is that she was
624
00:38:23,509 --> 00:38:26,721
a very visible gun rights activist
in the United States,
625
00:38:27,179 --> 00:38:31,934
and it would appear,
according to law enforcement officials,
626
00:38:32,018 --> 00:38:34,979
actively tried to infiltrate
the National Prayer Breakfast.
627
00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:39,650
America will succeed.
628
00:38:40,067 --> 00:38:44,905
We'll ensure equal rights
to every man, woman and child.
629
00:38:46,657 --> 00:38:49,076
Maria Butina's connection to Torshin
630
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,953
had already been reported at some level,
631
00:38:51,203 --> 00:38:53,247
so it is widely assumed
632
00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:56,167
that when you see
some of these messages
633
00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:58,502
between her and a mentor figure,
634
00:38:58,961 --> 00:39:01,339
that is Torshin, who's helping direct her.
635
00:39:02,882 --> 00:39:08,763
Butina succeeded in getting
a delegation of Russian Nationals in 2017
636
00:39:09,096 --> 00:39:10,890
to come to the National Prayer Breakfast.
637
00:39:10,973 --> 00:39:16,354
People who were described as powerful
political advisors of Vladimir Putin,
638
00:39:16,437 --> 00:39:18,939
as well as mayors
and university presidents.
639
00:39:19,648 --> 00:39:24,653
And then she later thanked an unnamed
National Prayer Breakfast organizer
640
00:39:25,738 --> 00:39:28,657
for allowing her to bring that delegation,
641
00:39:28,741 --> 00:39:33,579
and for the very secret meeting
that happened afterwards.
642
00:39:35,581 --> 00:39:37,792
Which, for those who study
the Prayer Breakfast,
643
00:39:37,875 --> 00:39:39,919
know that that's actually
not that uncommon,
644
00:39:40,002 --> 00:39:43,589
to have a secret side meeting
around the Prayer Breakfast.
645
00:39:44,173 --> 00:39:45,966
And she did all of that
646
00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:50,596
with the intention of establishing
a backchannel of communication
647
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:52,139
for political gain.
648
00:39:52,223 --> 00:39:54,350
Particularly for Russia's political gain.
649
00:39:55,684 --> 00:39:59,146
Our great history of Christian religion,
650
00:39:59,230 --> 00:40:01,232
and the things that we have in common...
651
00:40:01,315 --> 00:40:04,610
Like when we talk about Russian
and American relationships,
652
00:40:04,693 --> 00:40:07,696
the main point is Christianity
in both countries.
653
00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:11,075
In Russia, it's more than 70% people there
are Christians,
654
00:40:11,158 --> 00:40:14,537
and there are very few of other religions.
655
00:40:18,666 --> 00:40:22,753
I see that, like Russian,
I don't understand what is her fault.
656
00:40:23,212 --> 00:40:27,133
She was trying to build relationship
between Russia and America, and...
657
00:40:28,509 --> 00:40:31,429
Oh, it's not a secret we have
the worst relationship
658
00:40:31,512 --> 00:40:34,932
in the whole history
of Russian-American relationship now,
659
00:40:35,015 --> 00:40:38,310
and why it's... why it's...
why it's wrong...
660
00:40:38,394 --> 00:40:43,149
What... what... what is the crime, to help
to fix this relationship? I don't know.
661
00:40:44,567 --> 00:40:47,820
If she was a spy, she was only a spy
662
00:40:47,903 --> 00:40:50,990
in that her intentions
were not just simply to get close
663
00:40:51,073 --> 00:40:54,743
to American political groups
because she liked them.
664
00:40:54,827 --> 00:40:57,163
She was doing that,
according to the affidavit,
665
00:40:57,246 --> 00:40:59,248
to influence American politics.
666
00:41:01,584 --> 00:41:04,670
Some of you will remember
about four weeks ago,
667
00:41:04,753 --> 00:41:10,801
a young Russian woman, Maria Butina,
was arrested and held without bail.
668
00:41:12,803 --> 00:41:15,389
While it is not stated in the affidavit,
669
00:41:15,723 --> 00:41:19,143
the unnamed person
within the National Prayer Breakfast,
670
00:41:19,226 --> 00:41:21,812
the unnamed
National Prayer Breakfast organizer...
671
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:26,859
It's hard to think of who it would be
other than Doug Burleigh.
672
00:41:26,942 --> 00:41:28,360
So about five weeks ago,
673
00:41:28,444 --> 00:41:33,908
I get a phone call at my office
in Washington, D.C. from the FBI.
674
00:41:40,289 --> 00:41:43,375
That... That's not a good day,
when the FBI calls you.
675
00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:50,925
The first question they asked me was
if I knew Maria Butina.
676
00:41:54,803 --> 00:41:55,930
I said, "Yes."
677
00:41:57,306 --> 00:42:00,309
Trying to forge alliances
with other countries
678
00:42:00,392 --> 00:42:03,604
to force your country to do a thing?
That is a tricky place to be.
679
00:42:03,687 --> 00:42:06,941
Now, I look at it this way.
I haven't done anything wrong.
680
00:42:07,024 --> 00:42:10,069
I'm sure that they think
they have an answer, that is that...
681
00:42:10,152 --> 00:42:12,279
Everybody's welcome
to the Prayer Breakfast.
682
00:42:14,782 --> 00:42:15,950
Anyone who comes,
683
00:42:16,033 --> 00:42:18,786
regardless of their motive
or how they were invited...
684
00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:22,831
They're, for three hours,
are going to sit in a chair
685
00:42:22,915 --> 00:42:27,211
and hear a message of God's love
and grace and redemption,
686
00:42:27,294 --> 00:42:32,424
and who knows
how God can convict or... or inspire,
687
00:42:32,508 --> 00:42:35,261
but, um, however,
whyever someone is there,
688
00:42:35,344 --> 00:42:39,223
they're going to hear a message,
and will be positively impacted.
689
00:42:40,432 --> 00:42:44,562
By their own acknowledgment,
they are witting accomplices.
690
00:42:44,645 --> 00:42:46,855
They say, "We can take these people...
691
00:42:47,481 --> 00:42:48,607
Maybe they're cynical,
692
00:42:48,691 --> 00:42:51,151
and maybe they're using this
to corrupt American politics,
693
00:42:51,235 --> 00:42:52,715
but we're just going to love on them,
694
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,782
and eventually some good will come of it."
695
00:42:58,242 --> 00:43:03,163
This is either the most naive theology
ever created,
696
00:43:03,414 --> 00:43:04,832
or the most cynical one.
697
00:43:06,834 --> 00:43:08,836
The transcendence of the Family is,
698
00:43:08,919 --> 00:43:11,422
it somehow manages to be both
at the same time.
699
00:43:12,548 --> 00:43:16,844
This would be an unusual crowd,
if there isn't a number of us
700
00:43:16,927 --> 00:43:20,848
that are walking through
some kind of fire in our life.
701
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,143
Things get complicated.
702
00:43:24,727 --> 00:43:26,145
You have to hire a lawyer.
703
00:43:26,228 --> 00:43:27,313
♪ Shadrach... ♪
704
00:43:27,396 --> 00:43:31,525
So, I think I'm kind of like Shadrach,
Meshach, and Abednego.
705
00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:35,988
People of faith are increasingly isolated,
706
00:43:36,405 --> 00:43:38,699
criticized, misunderstood.
707
00:43:39,033 --> 00:43:40,951
I don't think I did anything wrong,
708
00:43:41,035 --> 00:43:42,536
but there's a fire going on.
709
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,040
♪ The king put the children
In the fiery furnace ♪
710
00:43:46,123 --> 00:43:47,333
♪ Shadrach ♪
711
00:43:47,416 --> 00:43:48,709
♪ Meshach, Abednego ♪
712
00:43:48,792 --> 00:43:51,003
♪ Heaped on the coals
and red-hot brimstone... ♪
713
00:43:51,086 --> 00:43:54,590
But when you walk through the fire,
714
00:43:55,466 --> 00:43:58,177
the flames will not set you ablaze.
715
00:43:58,844 --> 00:44:00,054
In the years ahead,
716
00:44:00,471 --> 00:44:01,722
the followers of Jesus
717
00:44:01,805 --> 00:44:03,974
are gonna experience
more and more of the fire.
718
00:44:04,058 --> 00:44:05,225
♪ Shadrach ♪
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