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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:23,605 --> 00:00:27,605 Gonna stick a knight here. He takes it off. 2 00:00:27,634 --> 00:00:29,254 He takes the bishop. 3 00:00:30,645 --> 00:00:32,754 So, he took it off this bishop. 4 00:00:35,545 --> 00:00:37,864 And he's threatening his pawn. 5 00:00:39,364 --> 00:00:42,753 Pulling took his right away, because he played here first. 6 00:00:44,184 --> 00:00:46,127 Now he took the bishop. 7 00:00:46,157 --> 00:00:47,797 Bobby Fischer is one of the greatest, 8 00:00:47,826 --> 00:00:50,716 perhaps the greatest chess player in the world. 9 00:00:52,276 --> 00:00:55,585 Bobby Fischer, United States, World title contender. 10 00:00:57,165 --> 00:00:59,585 Now, uh, black surprises him with this move. 11 00:01:05,059 --> 00:01:07,545 Bobby Fischer is an isolated man. 12 00:01:07,722 --> 00:01:08,853 Bobby Fischer's a strange man. 13 00:01:09,105 --> 00:01:11,016 People think that there's something wrong with the man. 14 00:01:11,565 --> 00:01:14,934 The king moves, takes the queen. 15 00:01:14,965 --> 00:01:17,574 The great Bobby Fischer is here tonight. 16 00:01:18,948 --> 00:01:21,924 A child, not a champion. His social life is a vacuum. 17 00:01:21,954 --> 00:01:25,314 The most arrogant man you're ever likely to meet. 18 00:01:25,324 --> 00:01:26,693 He takes back, he gets checked. 19 00:01:26,743 --> 00:01:28,487 Looking for Bobby Fischer... 20 00:01:28,496 --> 00:01:30,116 What ever happened to Bobby Fischer? Reclusive. 21 00:01:30,156 --> 00:01:33,816 Threaten his pawn, and then that's game. 22 00:01:33,836 --> 00:01:35,877 Bobby Fischer is searching for asylum. 23 00:01:35,957 --> 00:01:37,796 It's really Fischer against the world. 24 00:01:37,825 --> 00:01:39,124 And here white resigned. 25 00:01:47,855 --> 00:01:49,835 Bobby Fischer Interview. 26 00:01:52,224 --> 00:01:57,195 All right. Try not to tense up. 27 00:02:00,114 --> 00:02:04,813 Bobby, uh, you've given virtually your entire life to the world of chess. 28 00:02:06,153 --> 00:02:10,203 What about Bobby Fischer, the Man? What's he like? 29 00:02:10,242 --> 00:02:13,406 I don't know, it's pretty, uh, chess and me, you know, it's like... 30 00:02:13,466 --> 00:02:15,546 It's hard to take them apart, you know? 31 00:02:15,576 --> 00:02:19,196 It's just like my alter ego, you know? I don't really... 32 00:02:19,216 --> 00:02:21,835 But there are times when you get away from that chessboard. 33 00:02:21,864 --> 00:02:23,705 What do you do? 34 00:02:23,725 --> 00:02:25,925 I don't do too much, at the most. I'm really, you know, tied up in chess. 35 00:02:25,975 --> 00:02:29,425 I intend to expand, but first I've got to get the title. That's basically... 36 00:02:36,364 --> 00:02:39,984 Bobby, what does it take to make a good chess player? 37 00:02:40,024 --> 00:02:45,193 Well, talent, skill, patience. You have to study a lot and work. 38 00:02:52,443 --> 00:02:54,667 What would your ultimate aim be? 39 00:02:54,707 --> 00:02:59,876 Well, I'd like to be, uh, world champion and keep it for... 40 00:02:59,906 --> 00:03:02,205 Maybe, 20 years or so. 41 00:03:02,246 --> 00:03:03,425 Twenty years? 42 00:03:08,935 --> 00:03:12,605 Fischer is to chess, what Muhammad Ali is to boxing. 43 00:03:12,634 --> 00:03:14,134 Bobby! Bobby! 44 00:03:18,775 --> 00:03:20,354 Can Fischer beat the Russian? 45 00:03:20,394 --> 00:03:22,563 Yes, Fischer will beat the Russian. 46 00:03:22,594 --> 00:03:25,613 Do you honestly think that you probably are the world's greatest chess player? 47 00:03:25,643 --> 00:03:27,604 - Yeah, right. - Yeah. 48 00:03:29,653 --> 00:03:34,922 In the 18-month period, in the run up to his challenge to Boris Spassky, 49 00:03:34,952 --> 00:03:38,265 Fischer, had beaten, and in some cases, 50 00:03:38,295 --> 00:03:43,596 destroyed, some of the best Soviet players. 51 00:03:43,636 --> 00:03:48,285 Fischer was wiping away his opposition, like flies. 52 00:03:48,506 --> 00:03:50,660 He went on a 20-game winning streak, 53 00:03:51,450 --> 00:03:55,157 which was unheard of in championship chess. 54 00:03:56,485 --> 00:04:00,934 Bobby Fischer was exciting, the, not only the chess world, but the world. 55 00:04:02,565 --> 00:04:04,354 There's trouble in Northern Ireland. 56 00:04:04,404 --> 00:04:09,454 Henry Kissinger is shuttling to and from Vietnam, 57 00:04:09,494 --> 00:04:13,772 and against that competition, the chess dominates. 58 00:04:13,812 --> 00:04:14,551 In Moscow today, 59 00:04:14,679 --> 00:04:17,974 the Soviet Chess Federation called an angry news conference, 60 00:04:18,026 --> 00:04:19,827 to denounce Bobby Fischer. 61 00:04:19,879 --> 00:04:23,786 General Motors recalls 500,000 Chevrolet Vegas, and Bobby Fischer... 62 00:04:23,826 --> 00:04:26,326 Bobby Fischer, true to his recent erratic behavior... 63 00:04:26,378 --> 00:04:28,826 Finished off Tigran Petrosian of the Soviet Union, 64 00:04:28,913 --> 00:04:30,565 a former world champion... 65 00:04:31,014 --> 00:04:32,501 It was the best news story of the day. 66 00:04:32,618 --> 00:04:36,175 The victory gave Fischer the right to play the world's champion, 67 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:39,173 Boris Spassky, another Russian, next spring. 68 00:04:41,175 --> 00:04:45,814 We all had hopes. We all wanted him to be World Chess Champion. 69 00:04:45,845 --> 00:04:49,394 The one person he was yet to beat, was Boris Spassky. 70 00:04:55,445 --> 00:04:57,930 You've said it's your title the Russians are holding. 71 00:04:58,610 --> 00:04:59,753 You don't like the Russians? 72 00:05:00,157 --> 00:05:01,531 The Russians have cheated at chess. 73 00:05:01,803 --> 00:05:03,893 They've tried every way to avoid me, 74 00:05:04,416 --> 00:05:07,385 to avoid giving me a chance for the match. 75 00:05:07,415 --> 00:05:10,924 And they have slandered my name, and, uh, you know. 76 00:05:10,974 --> 00:05:12,123 They just, and they just... 77 00:05:12,163 --> 00:05:14,320 They're afraid of me and they have been for years. 78 00:05:15,204 --> 00:05:17,305 That's the true story. 79 00:05:17,345 --> 00:05:18,763 And now you're gonna get them? 80 00:05:18,814 --> 00:05:21,314 Well, now I'm going to try and get them, yeah... 81 00:05:24,234 --> 00:05:27,654 The Soviets had been winning these tournaments 82 00:05:27,684 --> 00:05:31,893 and I thought it would be good for America, for Democracy, 83 00:05:31,903 --> 00:05:36,023 uh, to have an American winner. 84 00:05:42,284 --> 00:05:46,255 The stakes really couldn't be much higher, politically, 85 00:05:46,285 --> 00:05:50,455 popularly. In people's minds, you know, these were two enemies, 86 00:05:50,515 --> 00:05:52,425 who were not fighting a real war, 87 00:05:52,465 --> 00:05:56,765 but were trying to out-do one another strategically all the time. 88 00:05:56,805 --> 00:05:58,885 We will not tolerate being pushed around. 89 00:05:58,914 --> 00:06:03,754 We have the desire and the material assets to deal with the Soviet Union. 90 00:06:09,983 --> 00:06:12,763 This little thing with me and Spassky, it's, you know, with... 91 00:06:12,783 --> 00:06:15,453 bombs, having it out over the board. 92 00:06:17,123 --> 00:06:20,574 One of the Soviet powers, the Soviet Union... 93 00:06:21,653 --> 00:06:25,763 had made chess it's national sport. 94 00:06:25,793 --> 00:06:30,496 They had spent unlimited amounts of money. 95 00:06:30,535 --> 00:06:33,915 They had hundreds of Grand Masters. 96 00:06:33,955 --> 00:06:39,805 They won every tournament, every Chess Olympiad. 97 00:06:48,134 --> 00:06:50,854 For a Communist Regime, 98 00:06:50,905 --> 00:06:55,974 keeping the crown was very important, uh, ideologically. 99 00:06:55,994 --> 00:07:00,524 This communist state took over chess to use it as proof... 100 00:07:00,583 --> 00:07:04,762 of intellectual superiority over decadent West. 101 00:07:04,803 --> 00:07:09,922 Everybody knew that the crown has to remain in the Soviet Union. 102 00:07:25,854 --> 00:07:30,603 In the Soviet Union, everybody of talent was 103 00:07:30,643 --> 00:07:35,444 cultivated, was given financial help, coaching. 104 00:07:35,484 --> 00:07:38,813 All the top players were privileged people. 105 00:07:38,854 --> 00:07:42,482 In the United States, we didn't have any of that. 106 00:07:42,522 --> 00:07:46,691 Every single one of us was on his own. 107 00:07:48,373 --> 00:07:50,962 And here came this lone American, 108 00:07:50,992 --> 00:07:53,914 combating the might of the Soviet chess machine. 109 00:07:53,964 --> 00:07:57,974 National prestige was at stake. 110 00:07:58,004 --> 00:08:01,895 Fischer recognized that he was representing not only him... 111 00:08:01,925 --> 00:08:04,765 but the entire free world. 112 00:08:04,814 --> 00:08:07,734 I think there was just too much on his shoulders. 113 00:08:17,043 --> 00:08:19,573 Could you tell us how old you are and where you're from? 114 00:08:19,603 --> 00:08:21,243 I'm 15, and I'm from Brooklyn. 115 00:08:21,272 --> 00:08:24,062 He is 15 years old and he is from Brooklyn, all right? 116 00:08:27,203 --> 00:08:30,363 Will you show your headline to camera three and to Dick Clark? 117 00:08:30,403 --> 00:08:32,251 Because we'll make him go to work on you. 118 00:08:32,281 --> 00:08:36,401 It says, "Teenager's Strategy Defeats All Comers!" 119 00:08:36,421 --> 00:08:40,266 This strategy, did it involve, uh, finances? -No. 120 00:08:40,295 --> 00:08:42,465 - Did you have any help? - No. 121 00:08:42,515 --> 00:08:45,713 You did it all by yourself. Did it make people happy? 122 00:08:45,753 --> 00:08:48,104 It made me happy. 123 00:08:49,353 --> 00:08:52,645 This young man's name is Bobby Fischer, and already 124 00:08:52,695 --> 00:08:56,474 he is the United States Chess Champion. 125 00:08:56,525 --> 00:08:59,282 He is 15 years old, and he has defeated the masters. 126 00:08:59,313 --> 00:09:02,062 He is the United States Champion in chess. 127 00:09:06,053 --> 00:09:09,652 I met Bobby when I was 14, and he was eight, 128 00:09:11,092 --> 00:09:14,592 in one of the chess clubs in Manhattan. 129 00:09:14,632 --> 00:09:17,804 He was the youngest kid around. He was unassuming. 130 00:09:17,832 --> 00:09:22,835 He was well-mannered. He was a nice kid. 131 00:09:22,875 --> 00:09:29,174 His mother, Regina, she was a woman who had to work two jobs, single mom, 132 00:09:29,214 --> 00:09:33,044 supporting two children, Bobby and Joan. 133 00:09:34,914 --> 00:09:38,273 Regina was really the genius of the family. 134 00:09:38,302 --> 00:09:43,793 She spoke quite a number of languages, including Russian. 135 00:09:43,823 --> 00:09:48,533 She worked as a telegraph operator, a nurse, a welder. 136 00:09:48,583 --> 00:09:51,752 She actually got a PhD in Hematology as well. 137 00:09:53,082 --> 00:09:56,352 She was an activist, she was a Communist. 138 00:09:56,382 --> 00:09:59,752 And the FBI files on her are quite extensive. 139 00:09:59,792 --> 00:10:04,514 His mother was hounded by the FBI, because... 140 00:10:04,543 --> 00:10:07,764 they thought she was possibly a Soviet spy. 141 00:10:07,804 --> 00:10:12,833 This was a period when Jew and Communist were equated, 142 00:10:13,974 --> 00:10:17,722 so his mother denied his Jewishness. 143 00:10:17,763 --> 00:10:19,773 His mother told him if he would be sitting on the stoop 144 00:10:19,813 --> 00:10:21,893 at 560 Lincoln Place, Apartment 4Q, and 145 00:10:21,943 --> 00:10:23,783 somebody would come up to him and ask him a question, 146 00:10:23,813 --> 00:10:26,433 he would say, "I have nothing to say to you". 147 00:10:26,463 --> 00:10:29,472 That was the proper answer that his mother told him to say. 148 00:10:32,672 --> 00:10:35,862 You're from Brooklyn originally? 149 00:10:35,873 --> 00:10:39,331 Chicag... Well, born in Chicago, moved to Brooklyn when I was about six. 150 00:10:39,361 --> 00:10:42,501 - So, lived on the coast... - Were you playing chess by then? 151 00:10:42,531 --> 00:10:44,881 No, I learned in New York, yeah. 152 00:10:44,921 --> 00:10:46,534 At what age? 153 00:10:48,804 --> 00:10:50,474 Six. 154 00:10:50,515 --> 00:10:52,174 When did you start to get serious about chess? 155 00:10:52,214 --> 00:10:55,714 About when, I was maybe seven. 156 00:10:55,734 --> 00:10:58,602 If you can think back to your childhood and all the things you did 157 00:10:58,653 --> 00:11:02,904 after school, and on the weekends. And, imagine just filling all that in with 158 00:11:02,934 --> 00:11:07,813 chess study, chess lessons, chess practice, chess competition. 159 00:11:12,712 --> 00:11:18,522 Sure, Bobby Fischer starts with a very exceptional mind. 160 00:11:18,551 --> 00:11:23,252 But genius is not only about a particular innate gift for "X". 161 00:11:23,292 --> 00:11:26,711 Genius is about a desire to do "X". 162 00:11:26,742 --> 00:11:29,365 It's about a willingness to sacrifice. 163 00:11:29,395 --> 00:11:33,204 It's about an ability to develop that kind of obsessive interest, 164 00:11:33,235 --> 00:11:36,903 in perfecting one's ability to do some task. 165 00:11:36,943 --> 00:11:40,974 People who studied expertise have looked at classical music composers, 166 00:11:41,015 --> 00:11:44,013 and surgeons and chess players... 167 00:11:44,043 --> 00:11:48,732 interested in figuring out, what do high achievers have in common? 168 00:11:48,763 --> 00:11:51,952 They have always, almost without exception, 169 00:11:51,982 --> 00:11:54,652 put in 10,000 hours of deliberate practice first. 170 00:12:11,204 --> 00:12:14,873 That love component is such an enormous part of the achievement, 171 00:12:14,913 --> 00:12:16,673 of any kind of genius... 172 00:12:16,714 --> 00:12:21,813 Because if it's dutiful, there is no way you can be that obsessive about it. 173 00:12:21,853 --> 00:12:24,213 There was nothing else he would rather do. 174 00:12:29,022 --> 00:12:31,493 I started playing, uh, games with myself. 175 00:12:31,523 --> 00:12:35,862 I would make the white moves and the black moves. 176 00:12:35,912 --> 00:12:38,055 Play through the whole game and eventually I would 177 00:12:38,549 --> 00:12:39,840 checkmate the other guy. 178 00:12:40,251 --> 00:12:41,848 I almost always won. 179 00:12:45,602 --> 00:12:47,741 Then my mother started to get worried that, you know, 180 00:12:47,772 --> 00:12:51,541 it wasn't healthy to be, you know, playing chess by myself all the time. 181 00:12:51,581 --> 00:12:54,933 Now, uh, black surprises him with this move. 182 00:12:54,963 --> 00:12:59,854 Regina was so worried that she decided to take him to a psychiatrist. 183 00:12:59,884 --> 00:13:01,473 And the psychiatrist said, 184 00:13:01,503 --> 00:13:04,353 "Don't worry, there are worse things to be obsessed by then chess". 185 00:13:13,183 --> 00:13:14,982 Everybody said to him, "What happened?" 186 00:13:15,022 --> 00:13:17,252 And he said, "One day I just got good". 187 00:13:17,292 --> 00:13:20,452 He was suddenly out of everyone else's league. 188 00:13:20,492 --> 00:13:22,622 And everybody knew it. 189 00:13:22,662 --> 00:13:26,491 Fischer would open a chess magazine, okay, like this. 190 00:13:26,531 --> 00:13:30,181 He would open it like this, he would say, "Hmm, okay here... 191 00:13:30,221 --> 00:13:31,921 "Let's see here... 192 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:37,224 "Okay here, okay here". 193 00:13:37,265 --> 00:13:39,973 Now, it looks like he's just, like, looking at the pictures, right? 194 00:13:40,013 --> 00:13:41,734 That's what you think he's doing. 195 00:13:41,764 --> 00:13:43,513 No, he's not doing that. 196 00:13:43,543 --> 00:13:48,273 He's playing through the entire game, in his head, in a few seconds. 197 00:13:48,323 --> 00:13:50,373 Every move. 198 00:13:50,403 --> 00:13:53,042 He went from being my peer in chess 199 00:13:53,072 --> 00:13:58,581 to being the United States Chess Champion, a quantum leap. 200 00:14:00,201 --> 00:14:04,253 That's when he first became famous. This was 1958. 201 00:14:08,951 --> 00:14:11,911 No chess player ever made much money in those days, 202 00:14:11,921 --> 00:14:15,631 and my father basically arranged an exhibition tour for him. 203 00:14:15,700 --> 00:14:18,139 In which, he went from city to city, playing 204 00:14:18,961 --> 00:14:22,021 anywhere from 40 to 80 people at a time. 205 00:14:23,022 --> 00:14:26,093 And I don't know how much he got then, maybe $5 dollars a board. 206 00:14:42,152 --> 00:14:46,612 Regina decided that this was a way to the big time. 207 00:14:46,622 --> 00:14:49,660 She'd call me up and say... 208 00:14:49,711 --> 00:14:53,581 "I want Bobby to go on Channel Two on Sunday. 209 00:14:53,611 --> 00:14:58,051 And he won't do it if I ask him, so I want you to tell him". 210 00:14:58,091 --> 00:15:03,122 He just wanted to learn the game and she really wanted him to get publicity. 211 00:15:07,113 --> 00:15:09,813 Fame is definitely a mixed blessing, and almost everybody 212 00:15:09,853 --> 00:15:14,322 would admit that, at some some point in their life, they've wished they had it. 213 00:15:14,352 --> 00:15:18,813 Once it starts it's fun, and the fun quickly wears off... 214 00:15:18,823 --> 00:15:22,993 when you want to be alone, private and public, if that's ever possible. 215 00:15:23,033 --> 00:15:26,732 But also, it's horrendous on the psyche for the young. 216 00:15:26,762 --> 00:15:29,101 It totally distorts their world. 217 00:15:31,002 --> 00:15:34,811 He had all these people around who really wanted a piece of him, 218 00:15:34,842 --> 00:15:39,041 if they only wanted to be in his glow. 219 00:15:39,092 --> 00:15:43,130 And, people have all kinds of motives, not always in his favor. 220 00:15:43,867 --> 00:15:45,210 They're trying to make money out of him. 221 00:15:45,262 --> 00:15:46,556 They're trying to be associated with him. 222 00:15:46,665 --> 00:15:47,949 They're talking behind his back. 223 00:15:48,315 --> 00:15:50,781 You know, I mean he couldn't stand any of that. 224 00:15:50,805 --> 00:15:52,046 Particularly, he couldn't stand the press 225 00:15:52,187 --> 00:15:54,701 because he was such an individual. 226 00:15:54,981 --> 00:15:58,153 He was an ideal object for caricature. 227 00:16:07,212 --> 00:16:09,113 You watch television? 228 00:16:09,143 --> 00:16:11,212 - No. Not much. Very rarely. - Why? 229 00:16:11,241 --> 00:16:13,962 I don't know. I read that you could get a little radiation from it. 230 00:16:14,715 --> 00:16:15,424 I don't know. 231 00:16:15,762 --> 00:16:18,274 I've talked with a few scientist friends of mine, they say you... 232 00:16:18,826 --> 00:16:20,903 You do, you do, it's a fact, you do get a little bit. 233 00:16:20,925 --> 00:16:22,197 They don't think it's dangerous. 234 00:16:22,551 --> 00:16:23,970 What kind of magazines do you like? 235 00:16:24,010 --> 00:16:26,560 My favorite magazine is Confidential. 236 00:16:26,590 --> 00:16:27,890 I read that all the time. 237 00:16:27,931 --> 00:16:30,092 Why do you like that? 238 00:16:30,142 --> 00:16:35,433 They've got a lot of the inside stories on things like water pollution. 239 00:16:35,483 --> 00:16:38,272 It's pretty interesting. I like to read up on that. 240 00:16:38,323 --> 00:16:41,662 A lot of things that the government is concealing, you know? 241 00:16:41,692 --> 00:16:46,491 Fischer looked at the world his own way. I mean, 242 00:16:46,531 --> 00:16:50,552 Bobby was not socialized, the way the rest of us were. 243 00:16:50,582 --> 00:16:56,321 Every idea he had, virtually, he had to come to, through his own thinking. 244 00:16:56,351 --> 00:17:01,881 In these days, he was unusual. But, he hadn't gone off the deep end yet. 245 00:17:08,529 --> 00:17:11,922 Boxing champions have been coming to the Catskill Mountains of New York 246 00:17:11,942 --> 00:17:14,144 for almost half a century to get in shape. 247 00:17:14,193 --> 00:17:17,062 But does a chess champion need to train physically? 248 00:17:17,585 --> 00:17:19,431 Take a look behind that window, 249 00:17:20,054 --> 00:17:23,057 into the training headquarters of Bobby Fischer. 250 00:17:27,573 --> 00:17:31,272 Championship chess is a physically exhausting game. 251 00:17:31,396 --> 00:17:33,534 More than just a test of mind and will, 252 00:17:33,994 --> 00:17:36,274 it is a contest of physical endurance too. 253 00:17:39,211 --> 00:17:43,171 Bobby is 29, and he lives virtually a monastic life. 254 00:17:43,679 --> 00:17:44,406 He lives alone, 255 00:17:44,636 --> 00:17:48,885 always in hotel rooms that seem barely larger than chessboards. 256 00:17:48,909 --> 00:17:51,759 A lot of the time he won't even answer his telephone. 257 00:17:51,789 --> 00:17:56,733 The television set is his window on the world, exercise is part of it. 258 00:17:57,933 --> 00:18:00,652 I'm a world class Olympic-level coach. 259 00:18:00,692 --> 00:18:03,102 I'm also a world champion in the bench press 260 00:18:03,586 --> 00:18:05,392 and I've trained a lot of celebrities. 261 00:18:05,444 --> 00:18:10,692 But no one can match the fabulous Bobby Fischer. 262 00:18:10,751 --> 00:18:15,121 He was interested in the human body, how it performed... 263 00:18:15,151 --> 00:18:17,701 and how it could be more productive. 264 00:18:18,992 --> 00:18:22,672 He said "I want you to work on my grip. 265 00:18:22,711 --> 00:18:24,671 "You see this dynamometer? 266 00:18:24,711 --> 00:18:27,841 I want to squeeze this thing all the way to the end". 267 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,351 I said, "The world's strongest man has not squeezed 100 kilograms". 268 00:18:32,381 --> 00:18:36,141 He said, "I'll squeeze 105". I said, "Why?" 269 00:18:36,170 --> 00:18:39,842 "When I shake that little Russian's hand, I want him to feel it!" 270 00:18:42,242 --> 00:18:43,694 I started him off with a little swimming, 271 00:18:44,551 --> 00:18:46,743 racquetball, which we were quite good at. 272 00:18:47,502 --> 00:18:48,589 A little weight training. 273 00:18:51,274 --> 00:18:52,587 I said, repeat this after me, 274 00:18:53,522 --> 00:18:57,643 "I'm a winner! I'm a champion! I'm not a loser!" 275 00:18:59,164 --> 00:18:59,943 And he says, 276 00:19:00,009 --> 00:19:02,597 "Why'd you put the loser thing in there? You know I'm a champion". 277 00:19:05,849 --> 00:19:09,949 Bobby is probably the most interesting person I've ever photographed. 278 00:19:11,891 --> 00:19:14,981 There he is. There's Bobby. 279 00:19:15,011 --> 00:19:20,152 "I decided to hold my breath like this, and... " 280 00:19:21,431 --> 00:19:24,202 You know, it was good for his training. 281 00:19:24,243 --> 00:19:26,842 He was in training for Spassky. 282 00:19:28,412 --> 00:19:30,311 He asked me what other jobs do I do? 283 00:19:30,342 --> 00:19:35,611 And I told him, I'm, I've just finished one on the New York Jets. 284 00:19:35,651 --> 00:19:38,281 "Jets?" He thought that was marvelous. 285 00:19:38,322 --> 00:19:40,521 He thought... He wanted to hear all about it. 286 00:19:40,551 --> 00:19:43,291 How they train, and he said, 287 00:19:43,321 --> 00:19:46,420 "You know, I've got to train like that as well". 288 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,730 And he didn't mind anything I did. 289 00:19:57,439 --> 00:20:03,592 But it could have gone either way. He treated everybody else quite awful. 290 00:20:03,612 --> 00:20:05,192 Bobby Fischer is a stubborn young man. 291 00:20:05,232 --> 00:20:10,061 Sometimes he fights for principal, more often just for himself. 292 00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:14,102 He'll refuse to play a match because his special terms aren't met. 293 00:20:14,815 --> 00:20:15,726 And for the past month... 294 00:20:16,382 --> 00:20:19,488 he's been giving fits to the International Federation too. 295 00:20:19,512 --> 00:20:23,630 Not enough money for the winner of the world title, he says. 296 00:20:23,660 --> 00:20:25,660 There was bidding on the match. 297 00:20:25,710 --> 00:20:29,801 And Iceland got it, I guess because they put up the highest bid. 298 00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:33,140 And Bobby didn't want to play. He said the country's too small. 299 00:20:33,170 --> 00:20:35,920 They don't have facilities, they don't have communication. 300 00:20:35,972 --> 00:20:37,138 The International Chess Federation 301 00:20:37,514 --> 00:20:39,276 wants word by tomorrow morning from Fischer 302 00:20:39,318 --> 00:20:42,089 on whether he's agreeable to 24 games in Iceland, 303 00:20:42,300 --> 00:20:43,929 and Fischer is taking his time answering. 304 00:20:44,402 --> 00:20:46,981 You, as President of the Icelandic Chess Federation - 305 00:20:47,378 --> 00:20:49,252 are there times where you have been tempted to say, 306 00:20:49,768 --> 00:20:51,483 "Let's forget all about it"? 307 00:20:51,691 --> 00:20:54,822 As you know, we are organizing a chess match, 308 00:20:54,861 --> 00:21:01,670 and our only wish is to enrich the chess world. 309 00:21:01,700 --> 00:21:03,505 They had all these lawyers 310 00:21:04,356 --> 00:21:07,471 and they were raising demands all the time. 311 00:21:07,773 --> 00:21:08,990 But at the same time, 312 00:21:09,133 --> 00:21:14,350 it was never clear whether Fischer would come to Iceland. 313 00:21:14,626 --> 00:21:19,132 The stumbling block, the principal one was the prize money. 314 00:21:19,629 --> 00:21:23,799 And I said, we have already settled the money question. 315 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:27,289 And we will not be ready to discuss that. 316 00:21:30,513 --> 00:21:34,852 There was a real possibility that the match wouldn't take place. 317 00:21:34,872 --> 00:21:40,351 One has to remember with Fischer, that he dropped out of tournaments before. 318 00:21:40,371 --> 00:21:43,861 This was no bluff necessarily. 319 00:21:43,871 --> 00:21:48,240 He's going, he's not going, and then he told me he was going. 320 00:21:48,300 --> 00:21:52,200 He moved quietly, put his hands on my shoulders, and says, 321 00:21:52,220 --> 00:21:55,970 "I'm going to Iceland, Harry". You know, it was... 322 00:21:55,999 --> 00:22:01,020 So, and the next thing I would read in the paper would be, he's not going. 323 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:13,352 But, Bobby wouldn't sign it. 324 00:22:15,211 --> 00:22:16,971 And then Bobby disappeared. 325 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:26,231 Boris Spassky, the world chess champion, 326 00:22:26,251 --> 00:22:29,871 came to Iceland twelve days before the match, scheduled to start Sunday. 327 00:22:29,901 --> 00:22:32,620 Spassky said he wanted time to get used to the place, 328 00:22:32,670 --> 00:22:38,080 without, incidentally, being constantly molested by newsmen. 329 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:41,579 Bobby Fischer was also sensitive about being photographed. 330 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:43,969 Sensitive to the point that he kept not showing up. 331 00:22:50,881 --> 00:22:57,612 He was sitting in Pasadena, California, and my job, 332 00:22:57,651 --> 00:23:03,041 my personal mission, was to get Bobby to go to Iceland 333 00:23:03,070 --> 00:23:06,861 and play the World Championship Match. 334 00:23:06,891 --> 00:23:12,601 But I didn't see any activity. I didn't see any plane ticket. 335 00:23:12,631 --> 00:23:17,970 I said, "Bobby, I have to go to New York. My dad is sick. 336 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:23,119 Let's travel together. You'll be that much closer to Iceland". 337 00:23:23,139 --> 00:23:27,809 He said, "Yeah, I think that's a good idea, travel with a friend. 338 00:23:27,849 --> 00:23:30,460 Yeah, okay". 339 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,068 I was getting him closer to where he had to go. 340 00:23:37,241 --> 00:23:39,462 We took him to Kennedy airport. 341 00:23:39,492 --> 00:23:43,481 We were headed for the Icelandic Airlines counter. 342 00:23:43,491 --> 00:23:49,371 Somehow a Daily News photographer spied him. 343 00:23:49,401 --> 00:23:54,790 And Bobby started running. He wasn't just running, he was sprinting. 344 00:23:54,820 --> 00:24:01,190 I turned around, and I stopped, and I put my hands up. I didn't say anything. 345 00:24:01,230 --> 00:24:05,779 And Bobby kept running, right out of the airport 346 00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:10,499 to the curbside limousine, and got in, and left the airport. 347 00:24:11,468 --> 00:24:15,168 Where to? Nobody knew. 348 00:24:15,188 --> 00:24:20,901 It was only three days before the scheduled start of the match. 349 00:24:20,951 --> 00:24:23,851 Chess history was in the balance. 350 00:24:25,570 --> 00:24:29,540 I said, you can stay at my parents' home in Douglaston, Long Island. 351 00:24:41,340 --> 00:24:43,370 I don't think the bell works. 352 00:24:45,010 --> 00:24:46,590 It works. 353 00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:51,588 Hi, where are you? 354 00:24:59,489 --> 00:25:02,008 Oh, I need to know... 355 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,563 Bobby was staying at Saidy's house 356 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,175 and Saidy's father was dying of cancer at the time. 357 00:25:16,249 --> 00:25:18,120 I don't know whether he told you that, and they were... 358 00:25:18,172 --> 00:25:22,461 they were trying their best to get Fischer on that plane to Iceland. 359 00:25:22,513 --> 00:25:28,379 At one point Saidy said, "You know, uh, my father's dying". 360 00:25:28,419 --> 00:25:31,049 And Bobby says, "That's okay, I don't mind". 361 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,068 They could not dislodge him from that house. 362 00:25:34,098 --> 00:25:37,019 This was probably the most stressful week of my life. 363 00:25:37,059 --> 00:25:39,258 - Are you Dr. Saidy? - Yes I am. 364 00:25:39,278 --> 00:25:42,858 Mr. Fischer made it clear that he would try to go to Iceland tonight. 365 00:25:42,897 --> 00:25:45,870 Did he express these thoughts to you? -Made it clear to whom? 366 00:25:45,901 --> 00:25:49,101 We had talked to a few people, and they had the impression he was going. 367 00:25:49,121 --> 00:25:51,863 Well, everybody can have impressions, 368 00:25:51,915 --> 00:25:54,245 but the only person who knows what Bobby Fischer is going to do 369 00:25:54,291 --> 00:25:55,716 is Bobby Fischer. 370 00:25:55,740 --> 00:25:57,280 That's about all I really want to say. 371 00:25:57,290 --> 00:26:01,751 - I see... - I want you to all keep cool. 372 00:26:01,781 --> 00:26:05,501 At one point, during his stay at our home... 373 00:26:05,550 --> 00:26:08,919 he simply said, "It's over, I'm not going". 374 00:26:12,478 --> 00:26:14,009 Still no sign of Bobby Fischer. 375 00:26:14,059 --> 00:26:15,929 Today, the International Chess Federation 376 00:26:15,959 --> 00:26:18,850 postponed by 48 hours the start of the match, but it said... 377 00:26:18,899 --> 00:26:23,649 if Fischer is not in Iceland by noon on Tuesday, he will be disqualified. 378 00:26:23,689 --> 00:26:27,438 Mr. Thorarinsson, if I may ask, are you worried? 379 00:26:30,361 --> 00:26:31,952 No. 380 00:26:31,982 --> 00:26:34,250 And, I just wondered if you've ever seen Mr. Fischer, 381 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,700 if you have any proof that he actually exists? 382 00:26:39,650 --> 00:26:42,590 That's a good question. 383 00:26:42,620 --> 00:26:49,060 Yes, I think, gentlemen, we can agree on the point that Mr. Fischer exists. 384 00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,929 We were losing the whole thing. 385 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,218 We had to get Fischer to come to Iceland. 386 00:26:57,270 --> 00:26:59,421 The Soviet Union had the feeling that 387 00:27:00,184 --> 00:27:03,918 the World Chess Champion was humiliated. 388 00:27:05,048 --> 00:27:09,818 They wanted to call Spassky back to the Soviet Union. 389 00:27:09,848 --> 00:27:15,720 Boris said to me, "This is a very severe situation. 390 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,331 You have to solve this on a higher level". 391 00:27:19,361 --> 00:27:22,080 Gudmundur Thorarinsson, 392 00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:28,750 I think he asked the Prime Minister of Iceland to call Kissinger. 393 00:27:28,790 --> 00:27:31,032 Fischer was very reluctant to go 394 00:27:31,704 --> 00:27:36,074 and I placed a call to him and I said to him... go. 395 00:27:36,889 --> 00:27:38,829 The United States of America 396 00:27:39,273 --> 00:27:43,855 wanted Bobby to go there and win the world title. 397 00:27:44,168 --> 00:27:49,067 By that time, James Slater, the British multi-millionaire, 398 00:27:49,108 --> 00:27:51,467 had already doubled the purse. 399 00:27:51,508 --> 00:27:57,511 So, Fischer's answer to Kissinger was, "Yes, I've decided to play". 400 00:27:59,082 --> 00:28:02,500 What finally did make you decide to go then? 401 00:28:02,540 --> 00:28:05,300 I feel that the prestige of this country is at stake. 402 00:28:05,339 --> 00:28:08,170 Some people have suggested this was psychological warfare, 403 00:28:08,209 --> 00:28:09,680 against Spassky on your part. 404 00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:13,409 - Mmm. - Did that figure into it? 405 00:28:13,429 --> 00:28:15,079 No, huh-uh. 406 00:28:15,099 --> 00:28:18,098 I don't believe in psychology, I believe in good moves. 407 00:28:23,719 --> 00:28:26,309 Bobby Fischer left New York for Iceland, 408 00:28:26,358 --> 00:28:31,148 and what a scene that was on the morning of July the 4th. 409 00:28:31,198 --> 00:28:34,318 Nothing like this has ever happened in Iceland before. 410 00:28:34,367 --> 00:28:38,100 You try to describe the impact on the citizens here at Reykjavik, 411 00:28:38,121 --> 00:28:41,040 is probably about the same as if the promoters of the next, 412 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,396 Joe Frasier-Muhammad Ali prize fight, 413 00:28:43,709 --> 00:28:46,816 decided to stage their international extravaganza 414 00:28:46,830 --> 00:28:48,780 in Butte, Montana. 415 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,000 One observer said the chess match was turning into the biggest thing, 416 00:28:52,050 --> 00:28:54,170 to hit Iceland, since Eric the Red. 417 00:28:54,220 --> 00:28:56,259 Though some people were still mad at Fischer, 418 00:28:56,289 --> 00:28:59,729 others approve of his hold-out for more money. 419 00:28:59,758 --> 00:29:02,800 Well, he was fighting for all the chess players of the whole world, I think. 420 00:29:02,810 --> 00:29:06,898 He's tedious, he's arrogant, he's inconsiderate. 421 00:29:06,928 --> 00:29:10,138 Uh, basically, people think that there's something wrong with the man. 422 00:29:36,758 --> 00:29:39,349 I became his private bodyguard. 423 00:29:39,379 --> 00:29:42,190 It was a big moment for me, you know. 424 00:29:42,219 --> 00:29:45,519 I was more of his friend than a bodyguard. 425 00:29:45,558 --> 00:29:49,608 He was quite a character, you know. 426 00:29:49,638 --> 00:29:55,528 He could be gentle, but he could be like a volcano sometimes. 427 00:29:55,568 --> 00:30:00,038 And it was better to know when to speak and when to keep quiet, actually. 428 00:30:02,736 --> 00:30:06,031 Finally Bobby showed up in Iceland. 429 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,999 Now, is he gonna really play for the World Championship? 430 00:30:13,031 --> 00:30:15,799 It's been a long road for Fischer to this game, 431 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,590 and it'll be a long match at the end of that road. 432 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,039 Both he and Spassky have to play 24 games. 433 00:30:23,059 --> 00:30:27,328 The match could last up to two months, each game runs to five hours. 434 00:30:27,358 --> 00:30:31,478 The most intellectually exhausting battle known to the mind of man. 435 00:30:31,489 --> 00:30:33,438 The World Chess Championship. 436 00:30:39,277 --> 00:30:42,657 We had the Icelandic Government, the Icelandic President, 437 00:30:42,697 --> 00:30:48,170 the Ambassador of the Soviet Union, the Ambassador of the United States, 438 00:30:48,201 --> 00:30:50,400 and many foreign guests. 439 00:30:50,449 --> 00:30:53,569 The theatre was full. 440 00:30:53,589 --> 00:30:56,580 Regularly scheduled programs will not be seen at this time, 441 00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:59,428 so we may bring you the following sports special. 442 00:30:59,459 --> 00:31:03,769 ABC Sports presents the World Chess Championship Match, 443 00:31:03,798 --> 00:31:07,767 between Boris Spassky, the defending champion from the Soviet Union, 444 00:31:07,798 --> 00:31:12,228 and 29-year-old Bobby Fischer, the challenger from the United States. 445 00:31:12,258 --> 00:31:13,858 It was the Super Bowl. 446 00:31:13,889 --> 00:31:18,477 The audiences were gigantic. People stayed home from work. 447 00:31:18,528 --> 00:31:22,268 People were lining up in front of TV sets at department stores. 448 00:31:22,288 --> 00:31:23,938 There were chess groupies. 449 00:31:23,948 --> 00:31:29,759 In Time Square, they were showing the game live. It was that important. 450 00:31:29,789 --> 00:31:31,190 Let's find out from you Larry... 451 00:31:31,230 --> 00:31:33,136 If there are any late-breaking developments. 452 00:31:33,188 --> 00:31:35,042 They might fuss around with the chess pieces 453 00:31:35,065 --> 00:31:36,864 and the size of the board and the lighting, 454 00:31:36,888 --> 00:31:41,448 but I'm fairly confident the match will start on time. 455 00:31:41,469 --> 00:31:47,289 Boris Spassky, the world chess champion was there with all his assistants. 456 00:31:48,648 --> 00:31:52,298 But, Fischer was not here. 457 00:31:54,397 --> 00:31:58,298 The clock has now been started. It was officially 5:00 in Reykjavik. 458 00:31:58,318 --> 00:32:02,408 Spassky is obviously anxious about the whereabouts of Mr. Fischer. 459 00:32:05,247 --> 00:32:08,147 Bobby was nowhere to be seen. 460 00:32:09,317 --> 00:32:12,029 And all of us despaired. 461 00:32:12,089 --> 00:32:15,200 If Fischer doesn't show up by the time one hour has elapsed, 462 00:32:15,260 --> 00:32:18,590 he forfeits the game automatically. 463 00:32:20,258 --> 00:32:24,329 Oh, there he goes now. He's just played one pawn to queen 4. 464 00:32:24,348 --> 00:32:27,599 You saw Spassky make his move, then he touched his clock, 465 00:32:27,629 --> 00:32:33,008 which turns his clock off, but turns his opponent's clock on. 466 00:32:33,018 --> 00:32:36,229 So Fischer's time is now ticking. 467 00:32:46,666 --> 00:32:50,167 There was no certainty, that even though this was the biggest match, 468 00:32:50,207 --> 00:32:52,957 of his life, he would actually show up. 469 00:32:53,027 --> 00:32:58,129 See, many people think that his antics were designed to upset Spassky, 470 00:32:58,169 --> 00:33:02,029 to discombobulate Spassky, which they did. 471 00:33:02,049 --> 00:33:04,088 But I don't think that was their intent. 472 00:33:04,138 --> 00:33:07,418 I don't think any of this was directed against Spassky. 473 00:33:07,468 --> 00:33:10,379 It was his own inner demons that he was fighting. 474 00:33:12,479 --> 00:33:14,378 Unpredictable Bobby Fischer. 475 00:33:14,398 --> 00:33:17,978 Nobody really knows why Bobby Fischer does or does not do anything. 476 00:33:18,018 --> 00:33:21,548 The most individualistic, intransigent, uncommunicative, 477 00:33:21,568 --> 00:33:23,717 solitary chess master of all time. 478 00:33:23,737 --> 00:33:25,438 He has no permanent home. 479 00:33:25,487 --> 00:33:27,327 Fischer is a nomad. Speaks to almost no one. 480 00:33:27,357 --> 00:33:30,077 No contact with his family. Troubled childhood. 481 00:33:30,107 --> 00:33:32,828 He hasn't seen his mother in over 10 years. 482 00:33:34,446 --> 00:33:36,696 Is your mother still living? 483 00:33:36,737 --> 00:33:39,039 Yeah. -Do you get a chance to see her very much? 484 00:33:39,068 --> 00:33:40,569 Haven't seen her in a few years, yeah. 485 00:33:40,589 --> 00:33:43,960 - What about your father? - No, I don't see him. No. 486 00:33:45,579 --> 00:33:49,078 Are they living together? -No, her, her... 487 00:33:49,098 --> 00:33:51,548 "I never talk about my father". 488 00:33:51,578 --> 00:33:54,247 That's what Fischer would say, "I never talk about my father". 489 00:33:54,267 --> 00:33:55,868 This is what led me to realize 490 00:33:55,999 --> 00:33:58,536 that there was something special about Fischer's father 491 00:33:58,611 --> 00:34:00,291 that nobody else knew. 492 00:34:01,758 --> 00:34:04,657 Regina Fischer has a 900-page FBI file. 493 00:34:04,697 --> 00:34:09,196 And, one of the things it reveals is that Bobby Fischer's father, 494 00:34:09,236 --> 00:34:12,936 was not Gerhardt Fischer as it had been supposed, 495 00:34:12,956 --> 00:34:16,656 and as the family had allowed to be known. 496 00:34:16,707 --> 00:34:21,549 In fact, Bobby Fischer's father was a man named Paul Nemenyi. 497 00:34:21,579 --> 00:34:25,888 Gerhardt Fischer, who is officially listed on the birth certificate, 498 00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:27,689 never came to America. 499 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,388 Regina and Paul Nemenyi met at a University near Denver, 500 00:34:32,429 --> 00:34:34,137 and they had an affair. 501 00:34:34,177 --> 00:34:38,398 Regina moved on and took the baby, Bobby, with her. 502 00:34:38,428 --> 00:34:42,568 Regina, often, because she was destitute, and needed help, 503 00:34:42,598 --> 00:34:47,156 would go to social service agencies, and ask for help. 504 00:34:47,186 --> 00:34:50,977 Paul Nemenyi would show up, and consult with the social workers, 505 00:34:50,987 --> 00:34:53,778 because he was very concerned about Bobby. 506 00:34:53,806 --> 00:34:58,167 He said that Bobby, even at a very young age, was a very upset child. 507 00:34:58,197 --> 00:35:02,038 He was afraid that he wasn't being raised right. 508 00:35:02,087 --> 00:35:05,788 Later, when Bobby moved to New York City, 509 00:35:05,828 --> 00:35:08,458 Paul would come and take him out to restaurants, 510 00:35:08,499 --> 00:35:12,258 and would admonish him for having bad table manners. 511 00:35:12,298 --> 00:35:16,299 And would basically act towards him in the way that a father would. 512 00:35:20,318 --> 00:35:24,228 One day, Bobby asked his mother, "Where's Paul? 513 00:35:24,258 --> 00:35:27,698 Why isn't he coming around anymore?" 514 00:35:27,729 --> 00:35:33,737 When Nemenyi died, that's when his mother told him he was his real father. 515 00:35:33,766 --> 00:35:37,187 He learned about it only about the time he was 9-years-old. 516 00:35:39,236 --> 00:35:44,506 Chess to him was the ultimate escape, 517 00:35:44,547 --> 00:35:47,379 his single obsession. 518 00:35:59,009 --> 00:36:01,927 Well, Spassky's waiting. 519 00:36:01,977 --> 00:36:08,388 Right, and it, uh, waiting and wondering whether Bobby will show or not show. 520 00:36:08,408 --> 00:36:12,488 And there is absolutely dead silence in the hall. 521 00:36:15,056 --> 00:36:17,157 Spassky is pacing, he's nervous and... 522 00:36:17,197 --> 00:36:18,697 Wait! Here comes Fischer, 523 00:36:18,727 --> 00:36:21,947 coming onto stage, saying that he was caught in traffic. 524 00:36:21,997 --> 00:36:25,916 And, uh, I think Spassky is visibly relieved. 525 00:36:25,956 --> 00:36:28,759 And also perhaps pained. 526 00:36:28,789 --> 00:36:33,749 It didn't look like this match would happen, but finally it happened and... 527 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,299 it was phenomenal. 528 00:36:35,348 --> 00:36:38,268 How do you spell relief, okay? 529 00:36:38,298 --> 00:36:41,718 Now, for the first time, we're looking at Bobby Fischer, the man that 530 00:36:41,748 --> 00:36:45,058 eight times has won the United States Open Championship. 531 00:36:45,088 --> 00:36:47,108 I remember saying on TV at one point during the match, 532 00:36:47,138 --> 00:36:49,137 I said, "You know, we're really lucky... 533 00:36:49,197 --> 00:36:53,276 to be alive, at this moment, when Bobby Fischer's playing Boris Spassky". 534 00:37:00,067 --> 00:37:06,546 There's the first move. One knight to king bishop 3, very noncommittal. 535 00:37:06,576 --> 00:37:08,795 Now watch, see Fischer turn around here? -Yeah. 536 00:37:08,825 --> 00:37:11,780 He's checking to see that camera location. 537 00:37:13,799 --> 00:37:19,288 And now, uh, he goes over to protest those cameras being there. 538 00:37:19,308 --> 00:37:21,757 There's Lothar Schmid in the background. 539 00:37:21,787 --> 00:37:23,460 Bobby said, 540 00:37:24,101 --> 00:37:28,866 "I feel disturbed. I cannot have that, please". 541 00:37:33,767 --> 00:37:38,238 Spassky remains serene and imperturbable throughout all this. 542 00:37:41,647 --> 00:37:46,986 The first game started out with some minor psychological games, 543 00:37:46,996 --> 00:37:49,456 in the opening, but then it calmed down. 544 00:37:49,486 --> 00:37:52,376 And the position that we reached after 28 moves, 545 00:37:53,056 --> 00:37:55,298 seemed like a complete draw... 546 00:37:55,329 --> 00:37:57,401 It seemed like they were gonna agree to a draw shortly 547 00:37:57,741 --> 00:37:59,615 and move onto the next game. 548 00:38:00,597 --> 00:38:03,187 All the pieces were traded. 549 00:38:03,217 --> 00:38:07,336 They got into an endgame. Each side had a bishop and a bunch of pawns. 550 00:38:07,356 --> 00:38:09,507 It was a very easy... It was a dead draw. 551 00:38:09,527 --> 00:38:13,357 The position reached very even position, virtually symmetrical. 552 00:38:13,397 --> 00:38:17,477 And Fischer went haywire. 553 00:38:17,517 --> 00:38:23,156 He did something that hardly anyone would do except a rank amateur. 554 00:38:23,186 --> 00:38:27,357 He grabbed a pawn, allowing his bishop to be trapped. 555 00:38:29,007 --> 00:38:31,945 He made a colossal beginner's blunder. 556 00:38:31,976 --> 00:38:35,277 He took a pawn which allowed Spassky to trap his bishop. 557 00:38:35,381 --> 00:38:36,650 We couldn't believe it. 558 00:38:36,674 --> 00:38:38,968 This looks like an error, but this is Fischer playing the move. 559 00:38:39,008 --> 00:38:40,968 There must be more to it than that. 560 00:38:41,020 --> 00:38:42,032 There must be an explanation. 561 00:38:42,556 --> 00:38:46,066 There must be some deep combination that we've missed. 562 00:39:05,117 --> 00:39:08,667 Bobby saw six moves ahead here, when he made the move. 563 00:39:08,696 --> 00:39:11,186 He just didn't see seven moves ahead. 564 00:39:11,216 --> 00:39:15,705 White can interpolate a move. You can play bishop to queen 2. 565 00:39:15,735 --> 00:39:19,645 Notice that that cuts off the escape square. 566 00:39:19,675 --> 00:39:23,178 And then all that white has to do on the next move is play king to knight 2, 567 00:39:23,218 --> 00:39:26,168 and the bishop is lost. 568 00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:29,767 That was the shot heard around the world. 569 00:39:29,807 --> 00:39:33,057 It was inexplicable. 570 00:39:33,087 --> 00:39:35,608 I still don't know how that happened. 571 00:39:37,806 --> 00:39:41,516 Spassky won the first game. 572 00:39:45,787 --> 00:39:50,236 You had to get to 12.5 points, the best of 24. 573 00:39:50,276 --> 00:39:55,425 A win is one, a loss is zero, and a draw is one half. 574 00:40:00,636 --> 00:40:02,559 He had an agreement that the cameras be quiet 575 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,560 and Bobby said they aren't quiet. 576 00:40:04,589 --> 00:40:07,807 And, uh, they disturb me. 577 00:40:07,837 --> 00:40:13,798 He claimed that the noise from the machines... 578 00:40:13,818 --> 00:40:20,687 was so high that he couldn't, you see, he couldn't think or concentrate. 579 00:40:20,735 --> 00:40:22,357 I believe that, by the way. 580 00:40:22,407 --> 00:40:27,157 I think that he had hyperacusis, 581 00:40:27,196 --> 00:40:32,616 a medical condition characterized by excessive sensitivity to noise. 582 00:40:32,645 --> 00:40:34,816 Fischer said he would boycott the match, 583 00:40:34,836 --> 00:40:38,315 until hidden movie cameras were removed from the playing hall. 584 00:40:38,336 --> 00:40:41,485 The promoters said the entire financial structure of the match 585 00:40:41,505 --> 00:40:44,825 depends on recording and exhibiting the play. 586 00:40:53,808 --> 00:40:59,007 He asked to put the camera away. 587 00:41:04,526 --> 00:41:08,847 He wanted me to clear the cameras out of the hall. 588 00:41:12,016 --> 00:41:13,787 And I said, "No". 589 00:41:25,064 --> 00:41:29,118 You have to start in time. 590 00:41:29,158 --> 00:41:35,957 If a player is not present, you have to, as the arbiter, press his clock. 591 00:41:42,407 --> 00:41:46,827 Fischer had been known to quit matches over trivia... 592 00:41:46,856 --> 00:41:50,946 So, we were afraid that, uh, he would just, you know, 593 00:41:50,995 --> 00:41:54,177 run back home, and that would be the end of it. 594 00:41:56,486 --> 00:41:59,616 Bobby did not show up. 595 00:41:59,655 --> 00:42:03,256 I had, as the arbiter, to forfeit him. 596 00:42:03,285 --> 00:42:09,744 And, for a moment, I thought, "Did I make the right decision? 597 00:42:09,764 --> 00:42:14,967 Was it fair? Was it correct?" But it was necessary. 598 00:42:15,017 --> 00:42:17,207 There was no other way. 599 00:42:17,237 --> 00:42:23,697 This, uh, night I remember that I had been woken up by tears in my eyes. 600 00:42:23,726 --> 00:42:29,316 That I, as an arbiter, had to destroy a genius. 601 00:42:36,286 --> 00:42:38,825 He was now trailing two nothing. 602 00:42:38,875 --> 00:42:42,555 It's very hard to make that up in a 24-game match. 603 00:42:42,595 --> 00:42:47,365 Half the world thought, "That's it, the match is over". 604 00:42:47,395 --> 00:42:49,285 "He'll never come back". 605 00:42:49,306 --> 00:42:50,735 "Why would he even bother trying... 606 00:42:50,996 --> 00:42:53,299 to come back from such a difficult situation?" 607 00:43:02,488 --> 00:43:06,806 During the match, he would knock on my door about 608 00:43:06,816 --> 00:43:12,226 one or two in the morning, and we would just walk and walk. 609 00:43:17,266 --> 00:43:20,285 And we would sit, and look at the animals. 610 00:43:29,095 --> 00:43:31,704 He loved animals. 611 00:43:34,424 --> 00:43:39,808 And he would talk, but he didn't like to talk about his childhood. 612 00:43:40,686 --> 00:43:42,617 It was a bad subject. 613 00:43:44,556 --> 00:43:48,927 He did tell me that, like, from the age of 2 or 3 he was left alone... 614 00:43:48,966 --> 00:43:51,297 all day with his sister. 615 00:43:52,486 --> 00:43:55,066 The loneliness. 616 00:43:55,096 --> 00:44:00,405 Regina, for all of her gifts, was not a traditional mother. 617 00:44:00,435 --> 00:44:04,826 She was a person who moved her kids around from place to place, 618 00:44:04,856 --> 00:44:08,545 you know, even every few months when they were really little. 619 00:44:08,575 --> 00:44:13,855 There was obvious conflict between Regina and Bobby from an early age. 620 00:44:15,215 --> 00:44:17,835 He didn't like to have his mother around. 621 00:44:17,874 --> 00:44:20,578 She would end up having to send his sister, Joan, 622 00:44:21,114 --> 00:44:22,988 abroad with him on tournaments. 623 00:44:23,266 --> 00:44:25,826 He wouldn't play if his mother was along. 624 00:44:28,183 --> 00:44:32,606 Regina moved out of the apartment that he shared with her... 625 00:44:32,657 --> 00:44:35,736 in Brooklyn, when he was only 16 years old. 626 00:44:35,776 --> 00:44:41,916 He told his mom to leave, I don't know how politely, and she left. 627 00:44:41,946 --> 00:44:47,406 In a way, he rejected her because she was so like him. 628 00:44:47,415 --> 00:44:53,545 So pushy, so self-centered, so goal-directed. 629 00:44:53,575 --> 00:44:59,025 Maybe he was splitting off part of himself. 630 00:45:01,264 --> 00:45:06,107 In 1960, Regina went to Europe to get her M.D. degree. 631 00:45:06,136 --> 00:45:10,197 And Bobby would have still been living on Lincoln Place in Brooklyn then. 632 00:45:12,527 --> 00:45:16,096 I went to his apartment a couple of times, and it was roach-ridden. 633 00:45:16,116 --> 00:45:18,096 It was a walk-up tenement. 634 00:45:18,116 --> 00:45:20,317 He had chess books all over the place, 635 00:45:20,367 --> 00:45:23,456 and it was just in a complete state of disarray. 636 00:45:24,707 --> 00:45:27,944 The fact is, his mother left him. 637 00:45:27,954 --> 00:45:32,614 Think about yourself. If, suddenly, your father wasn't there, 638 00:45:32,634 --> 00:45:37,414 and your mother disappeared, said, "Goodbye". 639 00:45:39,024 --> 00:45:42,484 How would you feel? What would have happened to you? 640 00:45:45,124 --> 00:45:46,797 Bobby is all chess. 641 00:45:46,827 --> 00:45:50,346 I don't play chess, and I don't pretend to speak for Bobby. 642 00:45:50,396 --> 00:45:52,966 But I feel that whatever I do here, 643 00:45:52,986 --> 00:45:57,576 whatever I say, to help make the Vietnam come to an end more quickly, 644 00:45:57,606 --> 00:46:01,196 will help every son, every daughter in the whole world. 645 00:46:01,246 --> 00:46:05,365 One, two, three, four, sign the treaty, end the war! 646 00:46:05,416 --> 00:46:09,536 One, two, three, four, sign the treaty, end the war! 647 00:46:09,566 --> 00:46:13,436 One, two, three, four, sign the treaty, end the war... 648 00:46:13,475 --> 00:46:17,455 Well, you're not gonna believe this, Sir, but I'm inside of a wind tunnel 649 00:46:29,677 --> 00:46:32,686 Fischer said, "Well, I'll continue but the third game, 650 00:46:32,726 --> 00:46:37,516 has got to be away from the auditorium inside a sealed room". 651 00:46:37,526 --> 00:46:40,236 There's a little ping-pong room at the back of the stage. 652 00:46:40,286 --> 00:46:43,156 And Spassky agreed. 653 00:46:43,197 --> 00:46:45,889 You can't change the location without both sides' permission 654 00:46:46,709 --> 00:46:48,475 once the match has started. 655 00:46:48,526 --> 00:46:51,796 He could have claimed the match on a forfeit. 656 00:46:51,825 --> 00:46:54,375 He didn't have to play in that back room. 657 00:46:54,427 --> 00:46:55,484 If he hadn't... 658 00:46:55,935 --> 00:46:57,026 Fischer would have not played 659 00:46:57,996 --> 00:47:00,581 and the match would not have continued. 660 00:47:00,954 --> 00:47:03,804 Bobby started again to quarrel. 661 00:47:03,834 --> 00:47:07,373 "No! Not this one and not that," etcetera. 662 00:47:07,394 --> 00:47:10,513 And Boris said in this moment... 663 00:47:10,544 --> 00:47:16,097 "So, I retire, I do not want this. This is too much for me. I... 664 00:47:16,156 --> 00:47:20,505 If so, we end the match". 665 00:47:20,536 --> 00:47:24,724 The two boys were standing together at the table. 666 00:47:24,744 --> 00:47:30,995 And I took them here, both, and pressed them down in the stools. 667 00:47:31,035 --> 00:47:33,614 Now, will you play? 668 00:47:33,655 --> 00:47:39,025 Boris automatically made his first move. 669 00:47:40,925 --> 00:47:47,164 The game could still be watched by a close-circuit TV camera. 670 00:47:49,214 --> 00:47:54,687 The audience was in the hall and they could follow the game move by move. 671 00:48:05,567 --> 00:48:12,235 In game three, Bobby played an opening, a defense he had never played before. 672 00:48:12,275 --> 00:48:17,444 The Benoni, which means "Son of Sorrow". 673 00:48:17,464 --> 00:48:23,415 It is so risky, so fraught with danger, 674 00:48:23,455 --> 00:48:28,974 that whenever you play that, you're simply saying, 675 00:48:29,087 --> 00:48:30,852 "We're not gonna make a draw. 676 00:48:31,255 --> 00:48:34,536 This is win or lose. This is a fight to the death". 677 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,194 Bobby moved his knight to the edge of the board. 678 00:48:39,586 --> 00:48:41,936 There's a saying in chess... 679 00:48:41,965 --> 00:48:45,775 "Ein springer am rand bringt kummer am shand," 680 00:48:45,806 --> 00:48:48,526 "A knight on the side, I will not abide". 681 00:48:48,577 --> 00:48:50,365 It was against principle. 682 00:48:50,508 --> 00:48:51,915 It's not considered a good idea 683 00:48:52,114 --> 00:48:54,079 because the center of the board, typically, 684 00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:56,986 is the most important battle ground. 685 00:48:57,006 --> 00:48:58,869 And that's where we want to position our pieces 686 00:48:59,069 --> 00:49:03,336 or at least in a way that our pieces attack the middle of the board. 687 00:49:03,388 --> 00:49:05,310 Not only did he move the knight to the side of the board, 688 00:49:05,334 --> 00:49:06,738 but also it could have been captured by a bishop, 689 00:49:07,224 --> 00:49:09,173 and he would have had a very ugly-looking... 690 00:49:09,213 --> 00:49:12,664 double pawn way over on the side of the board, which, 691 00:49:12,684 --> 00:49:15,183 it was very unaesthetic, let's say. 692 00:49:16,554 --> 00:49:18,774 Uh, Frank, I can see Spassky. 693 00:49:25,735 --> 00:49:29,065 Uh, more tense than you've seen him? -Yes. 694 00:49:31,905 --> 00:49:34,074 He may be... what? 695 00:49:34,125 --> 00:49:35,376 I see. 696 00:49:47,713 --> 00:49:51,583 Spassky did not find the best continuation, 697 00:49:51,633 --> 00:49:55,673 and was consistently outplayed... 698 00:49:55,703 --> 00:50:01,714 until Fischer won his first game of his life against Spassky. 699 00:50:01,734 --> 00:50:02,933 He was on the scoreboard. 700 00:50:10,775 --> 00:50:11,995 What do you think of Bobby Fischer? 701 00:50:12,026 --> 00:50:13,745 I like him. I like his style. 702 00:50:13,775 --> 00:50:15,866 - Are you following the games? - Yes I am. 703 00:50:15,896 --> 00:50:18,284 The American chess players are behind Bobby 100%, 704 00:50:18,335 --> 00:50:22,534 and they're all anxious to see him get in there, and win the championship. 705 00:50:24,574 --> 00:50:25,585 Do you think that Fischer 706 00:50:25,784 --> 00:50:28,180 will win for the first time over the Russian champion? 707 00:50:28,475 --> 00:50:31,174 I think Fischer will win, because he's playing for $200,000, 708 00:50:31,213 --> 00:50:32,390 but if Spassky wins 709 00:50:32,442 --> 00:50:35,138 most of the money will go to the Russian government. 710 00:50:36,354 --> 00:50:39,803 People sat in bars betting on what the next move was going to be... 711 00:50:39,853 --> 00:50:43,473 the way people bet on whether there is going to be a hit in a baseball game. 712 00:50:43,523 --> 00:50:45,573 That's when chess really exploded. 713 00:50:51,646 --> 00:50:55,615 Tell me what, what, you know what turns you on about chess. -What? 714 00:50:55,655 --> 00:50:57,786 Do you hope to be as good as Bobby Fischer one day? 715 00:50:57,826 --> 00:51:01,704 Well, I'd hope to, but I doubt if I would be. -Why? 716 00:51:01,744 --> 00:51:05,464 Well, I just think Fischer's just about the best player in the world, 717 00:51:05,495 --> 00:51:08,745 and not very many people can get to be as good as he is. 718 00:51:10,715 --> 00:51:15,224 We're watching the looming presence of Boris Spassky and Bobby Fischer, 719 00:51:15,253 --> 00:51:20,174 as sketched by Leroy Neiman, noted artist and familiar face to Wide World. 720 00:51:20,517 --> 00:51:23,005 Leroy is here with me at the Wide World studio in New York 721 00:51:24,168 --> 00:51:24,946 and he's going to be 722 00:51:25,281 --> 00:51:28,213 sharing some of his artistic impressions with us, in just a minute. 723 00:51:28,237 --> 00:51:29,090 Larry, 724 00:51:29,225 --> 00:51:30,769 I thought going up there to that chess match 725 00:51:30,868 --> 00:51:32,376 would be like watching the grass grow, 726 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,984 but it was far more exciting than I ever expected it to be. 727 00:51:35,008 --> 00:51:36,806 Well, I thought it was pretty exciting too. 728 00:51:36,826 --> 00:51:40,164 It was just like the Ali-Frasier fight all over again. 729 00:51:40,194 --> 00:51:43,584 This is Bobby Fischer leaving the hotel for the fight, 730 00:51:43,614 --> 00:51:46,874 like a matador leaving the Palace hotel in Madrid. 731 00:51:46,925 --> 00:51:52,294 On stage, the tension is developing, it's a real "prizefight". 732 00:51:52,324 --> 00:51:54,424 That's when Fischer... That's when he's a fighter. 733 00:51:54,464 --> 00:51:58,184 This right hand is, like it struck and drew blood on Spassky. 734 00:52:14,814 --> 00:52:19,504 The score was even. Two and a half, two and a half. 735 00:52:19,534 --> 00:52:22,835 Spassky was not himself. 736 00:52:22,875 --> 00:52:27,544 All these shenanigans had affected him adversely. 737 00:52:27,574 --> 00:52:30,684 He was not playing his true game. 738 00:53:13,694 --> 00:53:16,754 They believed that the chairs had been wired, 739 00:53:16,794 --> 00:53:22,163 and the lighting fixture, to destabilize Boris' concentration. 740 00:53:22,193 --> 00:53:24,002 That's when Boris cracked. 741 00:53:25,663 --> 00:53:31,723 Spassky complained that there was some radiation... 742 00:53:31,752 --> 00:53:33,563 which was affecting him. 743 00:53:33,592 --> 00:53:38,146 During the match I felt myself quite unusually like before. 744 00:53:38,196 --> 00:53:42,905 So, that was reason to be for myself... I'm not a suspicious man... 745 00:53:42,935 --> 00:53:45,254 to become suspicious. 746 00:53:46,625 --> 00:53:48,724 There might be something in the chair. 747 00:53:48,754 --> 00:53:52,074 There might be something on the surface of the chair. 748 00:53:52,114 --> 00:53:54,914 There might be something in the light. 749 00:54:02,503 --> 00:54:05,223 They inspected the chairs and the lights to see 750 00:54:05,252 --> 00:54:09,343 whether the Americans were up to some kind of "hanky panky". 751 00:54:09,393 --> 00:54:12,933 They found two dead flies, and that was it. 752 00:54:22,375 --> 00:54:25,195 Games 6 is very celebrated. 753 00:54:25,245 --> 00:54:31,114 It is probably the most reprinted game of the entire match. 754 00:54:31,155 --> 00:54:36,205 It was like... a symphony of placid beauty. 755 00:54:39,054 --> 00:54:41,014 Right on the first move... 756 00:54:41,043 --> 00:54:46,342 Bobby Fischer came up with a major surprise to the entire world. 757 00:54:46,383 --> 00:54:50,382 He almost always starts the game, with moving 758 00:54:50,433 --> 00:54:54,772 the pawn in front of his king, two pawns up, with E4. 759 00:55:10,825 --> 00:55:13,745 And in this game, everybody's shocked. 760 00:55:13,794 --> 00:55:18,444 He started with the English opening by playing C4. 761 00:55:18,483 --> 00:55:21,754 Spassky's preparation was out the window. 762 00:55:23,224 --> 00:55:26,474 I'm sure he prepared for many things, but not this. 763 00:55:27,843 --> 00:55:30,713 Fischer did not play his usual game. 764 00:55:30,723 --> 00:55:32,498 He played a different kind of game, 765 00:55:32,652 --> 00:55:37,384 a placid, positional, slowly building up game, 766 00:55:38,402 --> 00:55:43,553 where he deprived Spassky of mobility. 767 00:55:43,572 --> 00:55:49,695 Pushed him back where his pieces could not do anything. 768 00:55:49,735 --> 00:55:53,784 It was just a, just a beautiful game... 769 00:55:53,834 --> 00:55:55,713 I don't know what more can be said about it. 770 00:55:55,866 --> 00:55:57,962 It's just a model of precision. 771 00:55:58,704 --> 00:56:01,175 It was such a beautiful game, 772 00:56:01,204 --> 00:56:05,844 that when the crowd applauded at the end of the game, 773 00:56:05,873 --> 00:56:12,462 Spassky, himself, stood up and applauded Fischer. 774 00:56:12,502 --> 00:56:15,404 On his way back to the hotel, Fischer said, 775 00:56:15,433 --> 00:56:16,903 "Did you see what Spassky did?" 776 00:56:16,943 --> 00:56:20,242 He said "That's a sportsman. He's a real sportsman". 777 00:57:27,673 --> 00:57:31,215 Game 21 reached move 40, 778 00:57:31,264 --> 00:57:33,682 the move at which the game was adjourned, 779 00:57:34,001 --> 00:57:36,873 for the two players to go and study it. 780 00:57:53,671 --> 00:57:57,075 This is NBC nightly news, Friday September 1st. 781 00:57:57,106 --> 00:57:57,801 Good evening. 782 00:57:58,025 --> 00:58:00,783 We'll have more on the developments in the Watergate Bugging case. 783 00:58:01,296 --> 00:58:02,457 We'll hear George McGovern 784 00:58:02,567 --> 00:58:05,813 talking about tightening up his campaign organization. 785 00:58:05,837 --> 00:58:08,091 And we'll have a look at the new unemployment figures, 786 00:58:08,373 --> 00:58:09,818 but first Bobby Fischer. 787 00:58:09,973 --> 00:58:14,003 Today was the day when Fischer and the Russian champion, Boris Spassky, 788 00:58:14,043 --> 00:58:18,012 were to have finished the 21st game of the World Championship, 789 00:58:18,042 --> 00:58:19,869 a game they started yesterday. 790 00:58:19,921 --> 00:58:22,998 But Spassky, after what must have been an agonizing night 791 00:58:22,999 --> 00:58:26,859 spent analyzing his position, didn't even show up to play. 792 00:58:31,372 --> 00:58:35,812 I was going to photograph Spassky in the morning. 793 00:58:35,841 --> 00:58:39,344 He comes straight over to me, shook my hand, and said, 794 00:58:39,384 --> 00:58:42,403 "There is another world champion. 795 00:58:42,413 --> 00:58:46,523 His name is Robert James Fischer". 796 00:58:46,553 --> 00:58:50,045 I went back to the loft later to Bobby's room, 797 00:58:50,094 --> 00:58:54,393 and I told him Spassky just retired. 798 00:58:54,433 --> 00:58:58,962 And I want to be the first to congratulate you. 799 00:58:59,012 --> 00:59:02,683 Congratulations, how you feel, babe? Tell us how you feel about it! 800 00:59:02,723 --> 00:59:04,602 You said you were gonna do it. 801 00:59:04,643 --> 00:59:06,893 Listen, would you talk to us, Bobby? 802 00:59:08,143 --> 00:59:10,391 Bobby, roll the window down! 803 00:59:12,981 --> 00:59:14,701 Bobby wanted to get away... 804 00:59:14,731 --> 00:59:17,452 'cause they're all banging on the door and all that, 805 00:59:18,522 --> 00:59:20,854 just to beat it out into the hills. 806 00:59:23,924 --> 00:59:29,593 Someone brings up The New York Post, and it says, "Bobby is the Champ". 807 00:59:46,855 --> 00:59:48,589 His mother had said to him, 808 00:59:48,738 --> 00:59:51,322 when she saw she couldn't separate him from chess. 809 00:59:51,346 --> 00:59:54,285 She said, "Okay, go play chess. 810 00:59:54,854 --> 00:59:56,752 "When that's over, you can start your life. 811 00:59:57,438 --> 00:59:59,361 You can do something important". 812 01:00:01,890 --> 01:00:05,664 NBC news correspondent Dick Schapp was in Iceland today... 813 01:00:05,704 --> 01:00:07,674 and here's what Fischer said. 814 01:00:07,704 --> 01:00:09,824 How does it feel now, you have the World Championship. 815 01:00:09,843 --> 01:00:13,153 You're the best in the world at what you've devoted your life to. 816 01:00:13,173 --> 01:00:15,422 How does that feel inside? 817 01:00:15,463 --> 01:00:18,593 It feels pretty good, yeah. I mean, my goal now is play a lot more chess. 818 01:00:18,634 --> 01:00:20,684 I feel I haven't played enough chess. 819 01:00:34,393 --> 01:00:37,282 How did it feel... all this between the mayor and all... 820 01:00:37,312 --> 01:00:38,861 Did you ever thought of anything like that? 821 01:00:38,901 --> 01:00:41,821 No, I never, you know, thought this was gonna happen... 822 01:00:41,851 --> 01:00:45,241 You know, with chess. I just hope, uh, this keeps on. 823 01:00:47,130 --> 01:00:50,964 I just had a premonition that something awful was going to happen to him. 824 01:00:51,246 --> 01:00:53,583 I didn't know what it would be, 825 01:00:53,632 --> 01:00:56,033 but I didn't feel good about it. 826 01:00:56,053 --> 01:00:59,748 One of Fischer's problems was that after the match, 827 01:00:59,923 --> 01:01:04,843 he was, supposedly, better known by the population of the world, 828 01:01:04,923 --> 01:01:07,563 than anyone, except for Jesus Christ. 829 01:01:07,593 --> 01:01:11,491 And, he was a guy who treasured his privacy. 830 01:01:12,402 --> 01:01:14,032 He had a problem. 831 01:01:25,481 --> 01:01:29,051 The entire world knows the name Bobby Fischer by now. 832 01:01:31,924 --> 01:01:34,923 Was it a letdown after it was all over Bobby? I mean... 833 01:01:34,953 --> 01:01:36,953 Well, there must have been a tremendous, uh... 834 01:01:37,013 --> 01:01:40,842 There was. I woke up the day after the thing was over and... 835 01:01:40,882 --> 01:01:43,793 I just felt different. Like... 836 01:01:43,853 --> 01:01:46,413 something had been taken out of me. 837 01:01:59,852 --> 01:02:05,022 He didn't really, after he won, know what he wanted to do with his life. 838 01:02:05,052 --> 01:02:08,241 He, uh, he reached an end point, when he was 29. 839 01:02:08,271 --> 01:02:12,213 He's 29 years old, and he hadn't had a childhood. 840 01:02:17,604 --> 01:02:24,253 Is it not true that, um, the chess masters are always young men, 841 01:02:24,292 --> 01:02:27,223 and that they... they don't last? 842 01:02:27,263 --> 01:02:30,463 Uh, that's been true, generally speaking, but there are exceptions. 843 01:02:30,483 --> 01:02:33,461 Steinitz, he was 63 when he was world champion. 844 01:02:33,481 --> 01:02:35,762 But, you're in a fortunate position, because... 845 01:02:35,802 --> 01:02:39,681 most of us in life, no matter how successful we think we are, 846 01:02:39,731 --> 01:02:43,402 we still have to do what other people want us to do, just to hold jobs. 847 01:02:43,441 --> 01:02:46,661 But, you don't have to hold a job... You're on your own. -That's right. 848 01:02:46,691 --> 01:02:48,081 It's a unique position. 849 01:02:48,111 --> 01:02:50,280 That's right, you can't say "Well, if Fischer won't come, 850 01:02:50,310 --> 01:02:54,370 we'll get some other chess genius, uh, who's the best in the world". 851 01:02:58,144 --> 01:03:01,013 Bobby Fischer, the world champion chess player, 852 01:03:01,043 --> 01:03:02,633 has until midnight tonight 853 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,554 to decide whether to abide by the international rules of chess, 854 01:03:06,683 --> 01:03:08,212 or give up his title. 855 01:03:08,262 --> 01:03:11,502 If Fischer defaults, the title would go to the challenger, 856 01:03:11,522 --> 01:03:14,801 Soviet grandmaster, Anatoly Karpov. 857 01:03:14,841 --> 01:03:20,271 He wanted probably to play the kid from Russia, Karpov, 858 01:03:20,312 --> 01:03:24,281 and beat him. I mean, it would be an easy task. 859 01:03:24,311 --> 01:03:30,282 On the other hand, part of him knew he could lose. 860 01:03:30,321 --> 01:03:33,450 And, that's death to Bobby. He didn't want to risk that. 861 01:03:33,490 --> 01:03:39,463 So, what came out was a series of new demands on the rules. 862 01:03:39,493 --> 01:03:42,912 First of all, I like to play matches without draws. 863 01:03:42,962 --> 01:03:46,803 And, uh, they're gonna have to increase the prizes, if they want me to play... 864 01:03:46,843 --> 01:03:49,173 Well, if I get a title... They want me to play a match for the title. 865 01:03:49,203 --> 01:03:52,543 I'm not gonna just play for what their minimum prizes are. 866 01:03:54,142 --> 01:03:57,852 Accepting all of Fischer's demands, was unacceptable 867 01:03:57,882 --> 01:04:00,353 politically for the Soviet Chess Federation. 868 01:04:00,382 --> 01:04:03,821 Barring a very unlikely last-minute change of heart by Fischer, 869 01:04:03,851 --> 01:04:07,551 Anatoly Karpov becomes the new champion by default. 870 01:04:07,571 --> 01:04:11,732 The world chess body gave him about 95% of what he wanted, 871 01:04:11,742 --> 01:04:15,960 but that was it. He didn't defend his title. 872 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:22,073 I think he was unable to cope with his own invincibility. 873 01:04:22,094 --> 01:04:25,542 He got more or less scared to sit down again, 874 01:04:25,572 --> 01:04:29,042 in front of the board, and risk losing. 875 01:04:29,082 --> 01:04:33,952 But only he who never plays, never loses. 876 01:04:35,532 --> 01:04:39,442 We all felt disappointed that he let chess down, 877 01:04:39,472 --> 01:04:42,141 he'd let the American masters down. 878 01:04:44,191 --> 01:04:46,480 Yeah, we all felt kind of a betrayal. 879 01:04:46,531 --> 01:04:50,711 Whereas others could suffer from a... 880 01:04:50,751 --> 01:04:52,822 depression after such debacle. 881 01:04:52,851 --> 01:04:56,701 I went out to California on a job, phoned Bobby, 882 01:04:56,741 --> 01:04:58,017 picked him up in Pasadena, 883 01:04:58,176 --> 01:05:02,500 where he was staying, some cult place he was staying. 884 01:05:03,041 --> 01:05:06,538 I've had so many bad experiences... 885 01:05:06,590 --> 01:05:08,895 And, he would talk about nuclear disarmament, 886 01:05:10,802 --> 01:05:14,171 our capabilities, ICBMs, and that. 887 01:05:14,313 --> 01:05:18,642 You know? And that would go on for about an hour and a half. 888 01:05:18,682 --> 01:05:22,181 Just what is, the Worldwide Church of God? 889 01:05:22,212 --> 01:05:26,580 Bobby had been involved with the Church of God, since 1962. 890 01:05:26,619 --> 01:05:30,741 And after he won the Championship, the church was providing him with a place. 891 01:05:30,770 --> 01:05:33,021 The Worldwide Church of God was a... 892 01:05:33,071 --> 01:05:39,159 a group of people that believed in fundamental principles of the Bible. 893 01:05:39,199 --> 01:05:41,780 Some people would probably call us fundamentalists. 894 01:05:41,821 --> 01:05:44,080 That will bring on the great tribulation! 895 01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,842 And that will end in the second coming of Christ, 896 01:05:46,872 --> 01:05:48,874 the end of this present civilization! 897 01:05:48,922 --> 01:05:53,092 Basically, a sense that there was an impending coming Christ, 898 01:05:53,133 --> 01:05:56,462 and we need to prepare for that particular second coming. 899 01:05:56,514 --> 01:05:58,283 I told him, "It's all a bunch of hooey". 900 01:05:58,805 --> 01:06:02,430 But, uh, that's what he chose to do. 901 01:06:02,622 --> 01:06:06,791 I've warned you may be living in the time in which you will see... 902 01:06:06,832 --> 01:06:09,431 I went to his apartment in Pasadena. 903 01:06:09,461 --> 01:06:11,701 It seemed to me pretty hopeless. 904 01:06:13,830 --> 01:06:16,271 He was extremely depressed. 905 01:06:16,468 --> 01:06:19,380 We would get into these long discussions about the Bible. 906 01:06:20,716 --> 01:06:22,114 "Why are we here?" 907 01:06:22,138 --> 01:06:25,610 "What are we doing here? What is life?" 908 01:06:27,450 --> 01:06:31,082 That's when he started to go haywire. 909 01:06:31,121 --> 01:06:34,642 He, uh, felt that he was being influenced by these Russians, 910 01:06:34,672 --> 01:06:40,122 and he also was scared of the Mossad, Israeli Secret Police. 911 01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:47,432 He felt that he could be easily spied upon through radioactivity. 912 01:06:47,521 --> 01:06:50,721 And through other means, fillings... 913 01:06:50,741 --> 01:06:52,850 He thought maybe the Russians could send signals there. 914 01:06:52,890 --> 01:06:54,440 Phones... 915 01:06:54,490 --> 01:06:57,361 Tinfoil, over the windows... 916 01:06:57,390 --> 01:07:02,511 Media... Radioactive... This is paranoia. 917 01:07:04,819 --> 01:07:11,790 We tried as church members to bring him in to a little more of a normal life. 918 01:07:11,820 --> 01:07:15,742 I think he turned against the Worldwide Church of God, 919 01:07:15,762 --> 01:07:20,662 when one of its prophecies patently did not come to pass. 920 01:07:20,702 --> 01:07:22,430 But in the last days, that these times 921 01:07:22,471 --> 01:07:26,141 right now, in which we are living, perilous times shall come! 922 01:07:26,192 --> 01:07:28,141 Fischer felt betrayed. 923 01:07:28,191 --> 01:07:32,230 He wrote a pamphlet attacking the church and Armstrong, its leader, 924 01:07:32,259 --> 01:07:34,849 saying that, "Nobody should ever control your mind". 925 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,211 I was never a member of the Church of God, 926 01:07:37,251 --> 01:07:39,450 absolutely not true, it's a lie. 927 01:07:39,481 --> 01:07:43,290 As he denied God, he began to get worse. 928 01:07:48,129 --> 01:07:51,449 He started to go astray. 929 01:07:51,459 --> 01:07:56,452 He started reading, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, 930 01:07:56,504 --> 01:07:57,386 which he mentioned to me 931 01:07:57,424 --> 01:07:59,742 and I said "That book is a forgery, and it's a hoax. 932 01:07:59,766 --> 01:08:03,612 And it's a bit of anti-Semitic propaganda that even Hitler used". 933 01:08:03,642 --> 01:08:08,402 Protocol Number 1. What has restrained the wild beast we call men? 934 01:08:08,432 --> 01:08:10,100 He got into all these doctrines. 935 01:08:10,130 --> 01:08:13,220 What has influenced them heretofore? -The Illuminati... 936 01:08:13,250 --> 01:08:15,752 All these different people that were gonna take over the world. 937 01:08:15,791 --> 01:08:19,360 Protocol Number 9, Merciless revenge and bitter hatred. 938 01:08:19,409 --> 01:08:22,480 From us emanates an all-embracing terror. 939 01:08:22,490 --> 01:08:27,780 We began to see less of Bobby because we didn't want to expose our children, 940 01:08:27,820 --> 01:08:32,669 to the famous uncle who had become a fulminating anti-Semite. 941 01:08:32,699 --> 01:08:35,910 Hitler said in Mein Kampf, that the Jews are not the victims, 942 01:08:35,940 --> 01:08:38,013 but they're the victimizers! 943 01:08:38,041 --> 01:08:40,912 We could be having dinner and he would suddenly start thinking about, 944 01:08:40,952 --> 01:08:43,102 "The Jews did this, and the Jews did that". 945 01:08:43,133 --> 01:08:45,651 And in our house it was just unacceptable. 946 01:08:45,681 --> 01:08:49,220 They're actually making things happen, and causing revolutions, 947 01:08:49,271 --> 01:08:51,221 and killing people all over the world... 948 01:08:51,271 --> 01:08:55,032 You start mixing fish with humans, and anything is possible. 949 01:08:55,062 --> 01:08:58,360 His mother was Jewish. His real father was Jewish. 950 01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,761 It's complete madness. 951 01:09:00,801 --> 01:09:06,070 The question is how could a Jewish kid become an anti-Semite? 952 01:09:07,021 --> 01:09:10,409 Paranoid psychosis. 953 01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:16,800 He had false fixed ideas of a very widening conspiracy against him. 954 01:09:18,269 --> 01:09:23,093 It was as if he were at war with himself. 955 01:09:23,142 --> 01:09:29,141 He became a recluse. Fischer watchers refer to it as the "wilderness years". 956 01:09:35,921 --> 01:09:39,221 Where's Bobby these days? -Oh, Bobby's at home. 957 01:09:39,241 --> 01:09:41,440 - Where, in New York? - Well, I... 958 01:09:41,490 --> 01:09:44,441 I don't think that I want to get on the subject of Bobby. 959 01:09:44,490 --> 01:09:47,080 You know how Bobby feels about it. -Yeah. 960 01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:53,349 The last conversation we had, enraged him. 961 01:09:53,379 --> 01:09:57,190 "If you don't play chess... 962 01:09:57,220 --> 01:10:03,489 there will soon come a time when no one will ask you to play chess". 963 01:10:03,627 --> 01:10:06,493 He thought that was unacceptable 964 01:10:08,065 --> 01:10:10,429 and that was the end of our relationship. 965 01:10:14,761 --> 01:10:17,841 If you look throughout history, 966 01:10:17,911 --> 01:10:20,780 there have been a disproportionate number 967 01:10:20,810 --> 01:10:22,879 of extremely talented chess players, 968 01:10:23,512 --> 01:10:26,697 who have also had serious psychological issues. 969 01:10:26,721 --> 01:10:30,570 You are putting yourself in a world that is infinite. 970 01:10:30,611 --> 01:10:32,985 It's abstract. 971 01:10:33,161 --> 01:10:36,518 You are, in essence, reshaping your mind. 972 01:10:37,660 --> 01:10:41,328 If you understand that in the first move of a chess game... 973 01:10:41,379 --> 01:10:44,639 each player has 20 possible moves. 974 01:10:44,669 --> 01:10:47,551 If you multiply 20 by 20, that means there are 400 975 01:10:47,591 --> 01:10:52,262 different possible chess positions, after the first move. 976 01:10:54,351 --> 01:10:57,851 The tree becomes with a lot of branches, you know. 977 01:10:57,901 --> 01:11:02,021 That, you start with one move and that one move there are several options... 978 01:11:02,050 --> 01:11:03,899 Then all of the sudden it becomes a jungle. 979 01:11:03,951 --> 01:11:05,618 The number of all positions that 980 01:11:06,095 --> 01:11:08,291 theoretically can occur in the game of chess... 981 01:11:08,490 --> 01:11:12,104 is something like ten with 45 zeros. 982 01:11:12,309 --> 01:11:16,979 It's like the number of atoms in the solar system. 983 01:11:16,999 --> 01:11:20,998 You're trying to anticipate what your opponent might do, 984 01:11:21,038 --> 01:11:22,619 and you don't know what he might do. 985 01:11:22,659 --> 01:11:25,758 So, you are thinking of all the different possibilities. 986 01:11:25,788 --> 01:11:29,762 A good chess player is paranoid on the board. 987 01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:36,001 But then, if you take that paranoia to real life, it doesn't play so well. 988 01:11:36,021 --> 01:11:42,310 You end up seeing your real world, according to the confines of chess. 989 01:11:44,900 --> 01:11:47,811 There were some that came to a sad end. 990 01:11:47,851 --> 01:11:54,189 I mean, we like to think that chess didn't cause that, but maybe it did. 991 01:11:58,130 --> 01:12:02,029 An individual with an unbalanced tendency, 992 01:12:02,049 --> 01:12:08,029 by becoming a chess monomaniac, will throw himself over the brink. 993 01:12:08,049 --> 01:12:13,591 Yeah, we have some examples where people of, um... exceptional abilities, 994 01:12:13,682 --> 01:12:17,680 were infected by this, uh, mental illness. 995 01:12:17,709 --> 01:12:22,351 Victor Korchnoi claimed to have played a match with a dead man. 996 01:12:22,381 --> 01:12:25,600 He even provided the moves. -Rubenstein... 997 01:12:25,650 --> 01:12:28,190 Rubenstein jumped out the window, because the fly was after him. 998 01:12:28,220 --> 01:12:30,159 Wilhelm Steinitz. 999 01:12:30,189 --> 01:12:32,190 Steinitz was in an institution. 1000 01:12:32,230 --> 01:12:33,509 Steinitz, in late life, 1001 01:12:33,843 --> 01:12:38,996 thought he was playing chess by wireless with God Almighty. 1002 01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:43,289 And, had the better of God Almighty. 1003 01:12:43,338 --> 01:12:47,339 Carlos Torre took all his clothes off on a bus. 1004 01:12:49,739 --> 01:12:54,768 And, the probably greatest name, the greatest impact on the game of chess, 1005 01:12:54,798 --> 01:13:00,671 uh, in the 19th century, belonged to an American player, Paul Morphy. 1006 01:13:00,710 --> 01:13:04,211 Unfortunately, there is some resemblance with Fischer. 1007 01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:07,052 Paul Morphy was an American player 1008 01:13:07,053 --> 01:13:10,453 who stunned the world with his chess play. 1009 01:13:10,481 --> 01:13:15,040 And then at age 26 he wandered the streets aimlessly. 1010 01:13:15,071 --> 01:13:19,459 He muttered to himself. He became a paranoid schizophrenic. 1011 01:13:19,489 --> 01:13:25,379 His tour in Europe in 1858, 1859 was one of the most unforgettable events, 1012 01:13:25,409 --> 01:13:30,998 in the history of chess, and then Morphy stopped playing chess. 1013 01:13:31,048 --> 01:13:34,387 There are many similarities between Morphy and Fischer. 1014 01:13:34,417 --> 01:13:39,141 People are always gonna, uh, equate their names together. 1015 01:13:39,181 --> 01:13:41,431 They both gave up the game at the height of their powers. 1016 01:13:41,461 --> 01:13:43,175 And disappeared into a... 1017 01:13:44,804 --> 01:13:48,613 world of neurosis, of psychosis. 1018 01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,449 Where did Bobby Fischer go? 1019 01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,109 What happened to Bobby Fischer? 1020 01:14:00,149 --> 01:14:01,751 We spent countless hours prowling the streets, 1021 01:14:01,781 --> 01:14:03,780 where he's been known to roam. 1022 01:14:03,820 --> 01:14:06,700 Looking for him at chess clubs where he's been known to play. 1023 01:14:06,749 --> 01:14:11,658 Ultimately, the now investigation was successful. We found Bobby Fischer. 1024 01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:14,007 The quest paid off. 1025 01:14:14,047 --> 01:14:20,618 In 1990, he shows up in Pasadena, little on the heavy side. 1026 01:14:21,521 --> 01:14:23,690 He hands me this letter. 1027 01:14:23,721 --> 01:14:29,262 "Mr. Fischer, you are the Mozart of the chess world. 1028 01:14:29,291 --> 01:14:33,060 I want you to get back into chess". 1029 01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:34,969 Her name was Zita. 1030 01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,519 "I wonder what she looks like, Harry". 1031 01:14:39,539 --> 01:14:43,240 All of a sudden, he's romantically entwined. 1032 01:14:43,289 --> 01:14:46,381 She got him off all of his rationalizations, 1033 01:14:46,443 --> 01:14:48,732 why he couldn't play chess anymore. 1034 01:14:49,208 --> 01:14:52,498 And... and she set up the tournament. 1035 01:14:52,528 --> 01:14:57,598 After many false alarms, it was a 19-year-old Hungarian chess player, 1036 01:14:57,638 --> 01:15:03,058 Zita Raycsanyi who brought Fischer back to chess. 1037 01:15:03,087 --> 01:15:06,011 Do you think he's still as handsome now? 1038 01:15:06,050 --> 01:15:08,321 What do you think? 1039 01:15:08,351 --> 01:15:12,741 As a result of their meeting, Zita rushed off to arrange Bobby's comeback. 1040 01:15:12,771 --> 01:15:18,329 The chess world was shaken today with news that an old legend lives, 1041 01:15:18,359 --> 01:15:21,280 apparently ready to risk himself in public again. 1042 01:15:21,329 --> 01:15:24,499 Headlines around the world announced he'd signed a contract, 1043 01:15:24,529 --> 01:15:29,199 to play a rematch, with his old Russian rival form Iceland, Boris Spassky. 1044 01:15:29,239 --> 01:15:32,460 I was in the chess world. Everybody is waiting for him to play for 20 years. 1045 01:15:32,509 --> 01:15:36,008 I mean, month after month, year after year, there were these stories. 1046 01:15:36,039 --> 01:15:38,878 He's negotiating this. You know, someone's trying to raise this for him. 1047 01:15:38,908 --> 01:15:41,208 He wouldn't play, finally he plays! 1048 01:15:41,249 --> 01:15:44,768 He was playing, uh, uh, in Yugoslavia against Spassky. 1049 01:15:44,798 --> 01:15:48,920 It was trumpeted as a return World Championship Match. 1050 01:15:48,940 --> 01:15:55,259 This is a typical question, uh, from Mr. Roger Cohen of The New York Times. 1051 01:15:56,780 --> 01:15:58,260 "If you beat Spassky... 1052 01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:02,268 will you go on to challenge Kasparov for the World Championship?" 1053 01:16:02,288 --> 01:16:05,709 Well... can he read what it says behind here? 1054 01:16:12,050 --> 01:16:15,778 The match took place in Yugoslavia during the middle of the Yugoslav war. 1055 01:16:15,798 --> 01:16:21,668 And by participating, Fischer broke a U.N. backed embargo. 1056 01:16:21,717 --> 01:16:23,757 The U.S. government sent him a letter, and said... 1057 01:16:23,788 --> 01:16:26,758 "Don't play, if you do you're going to go to jail". 1058 01:16:26,788 --> 01:16:30,350 This is my reply to their order not to defend my title here. 1059 01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,231 That's my answer... 1060 01:16:36,820 --> 01:16:41,289 The match of '92, in my view, had no chess relevance. 1061 01:16:41,329 --> 01:16:45,778 They played very decent chess, but it was chess of 1972. 1062 01:16:45,809 --> 01:16:52,788 It's like watching two old boxers come back into the ring for one last payday. 1063 01:16:52,819 --> 01:16:59,428 A slightly sad affair where both players are clearly past their best. 1064 01:16:59,458 --> 01:17:03,959 Both Fischer and Spassky are shadows of their former selves. 1065 01:17:06,548 --> 01:17:10,467 He won, and won several million dollars, 1066 01:17:10,497 --> 01:17:15,610 but was declared a criminal for having taken part in the match. 1067 01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,361 Today a federal grand jury here in Washington, 1068 01:17:18,401 --> 01:17:23,399 charged Robert James "Bobby" Fischer with a criminal violation, 1069 01:17:23,449 --> 01:17:27,999 of the United States imposed sanctions on the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. 1070 01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:32,239 Fischer faces up to 10 years in prison, and the millions of dollars 1071 01:17:32,279 --> 01:17:37,848 of proceeds of the chess match, are forfeitable to the United States. 1072 01:17:37,878 --> 01:17:43,588 Bobby Fischer, like anyone else, should be held accountable for his actions. 1073 01:17:43,638 --> 01:17:45,308 The cost was very high. 1074 01:17:45,337 --> 01:17:48,217 I mean, he lost his country. He couldn't come back. He was indicted. 1075 01:17:48,257 --> 01:17:52,058 A lot of people questioned the validity of this indictment, but it was a law. 1076 01:17:52,097 --> 01:17:55,821 So, Fischer broke the law. 1077 01:17:55,851 --> 01:17:59,770 He couldn't come back into the country. They were out to arrest him. 1078 01:17:59,821 --> 01:18:02,159 So, he became an expatriate. 1079 01:18:14,449 --> 01:18:19,338 I saw him in Yugoslavia, but it was pointless. 1080 01:18:21,908 --> 01:18:26,828 You know, he was gone, it was no longer a story. 1081 01:18:26,858 --> 01:18:33,337 I knew Zita. I knew her personally, and she was a nice girl. 1082 01:18:33,367 --> 01:18:35,967 But, who knows what he did there? 1083 01:18:46,399 --> 01:18:50,618 Joan had gone to Hungary, 1084 01:18:50,648 --> 01:18:56,459 in 1995, to visit Bobby, when he was staying in Budapest. 1085 01:18:56,489 --> 01:18:59,498 That's the last of our family who had seen him. 1086 01:19:01,498 --> 01:19:04,198 Regina died in '96. 1087 01:19:04,238 --> 01:19:08,718 And my wife, Joan, died in 1998, 1088 01:19:08,788 --> 01:19:14,058 from a cerebral hemorrhage, no forewarning at all... 1089 01:19:14,098 --> 01:19:18,097 Died... within a half a day. 1090 01:19:18,127 --> 01:19:22,140 It was a tragedy. His mother dies, his sister dies. 1091 01:19:22,150 --> 01:19:28,309 Bobby was stripped of any family support that he could hope for. 1092 01:19:28,329 --> 01:19:33,859 And when he was a man without a country, he got worse and worse. 1093 01:19:38,338 --> 01:19:40,589 This is all wonderful news. 1094 01:19:40,619 --> 01:19:44,088 It's time for the fucking U.S. to get their heads kicked in. 1095 01:19:44,129 --> 01:19:47,012 It's time to finish off the U.S. once and for all. 1096 01:19:47,064 --> 01:19:50,655 This just shows you that what goes around comes around. 1097 01:19:50,868 --> 01:19:52,590 Even for the United States. 1098 01:19:55,717 --> 01:19:58,051 He felt that he was above politics, 1099 01:19:58,509 --> 01:20:00,306 and could say whatever he wanted to say. 1100 01:20:00,637 --> 01:20:04,459 And George Bush says, "No, you're not. I can grab you, wherever you are". 1101 01:20:07,829 --> 01:20:10,279 United States citizen, Robert "Bobby" Fischer, 1102 01:20:10,319 --> 01:20:12,150 has been detained by Japanese authorities 1103 01:20:12,186 --> 01:20:15,399 on alleged immigration law violations. 1104 01:20:16,969 --> 01:20:21,488 I got a collect phone call from Japan. 1105 01:20:21,528 --> 01:20:26,118 "From who?" I said, or he said, "Bobby Fischer". 1106 01:20:26,148 --> 01:20:30,298 Twenty-two years I haven't heard from him, not anything. 1107 01:20:30,337 --> 01:20:34,137 But, he must have kept me in the drawer or something. 1108 01:20:34,177 --> 01:20:38,306 So, I was not completely forgotten when he needed me. 1109 01:20:38,347 --> 01:20:42,647 And, I went to Japan to get this man out of jail. 1110 01:20:52,279 --> 01:20:56,750 When I saw him there, it was on his birthday. 1111 01:20:56,779 --> 01:20:59,668 He asked me if I could help him out, you know. 1112 01:21:00,748 --> 01:21:03,898 I said "I will see what I can do". 1113 01:21:17,296 --> 01:21:23,308 Iceland has stood up and offered him residency. 1114 01:21:23,358 --> 01:21:27,586 Iceland has stood up and given him passport. 1115 01:21:27,606 --> 01:21:33,399 At the end, we, this small nation of 300,000 people 1116 01:21:33,429 --> 01:21:39,368 intervened, and went against the United States and Japan, 1117 01:21:39,409 --> 01:21:43,038 the two strongest economies in the world. 1118 01:21:43,079 --> 01:21:45,559 And got him to Iceland. 1119 01:21:59,757 --> 01:22:03,258 Bobby Fischer! 1120 01:22:03,298 --> 01:22:06,477 Welcome to Iceland, Mr. Fischer, how does it feel to be home? 1121 01:22:06,516 --> 01:22:08,096 Great, great. 1122 01:22:08,136 --> 01:22:10,236 You're getting quite a hero's welcome, did you expect this? 1123 01:22:10,267 --> 01:22:12,306 No I didn't. -We've got a car waiting for you. 1124 01:22:12,317 --> 01:22:16,139 This is your, uh, first time in Iceland in quite a few years... 1125 01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:18,345 You weren't that thrilled the first time around. 1126 01:22:18,397 --> 01:22:19,895 Think it will be better this time? 1127 01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,420 That is not true, I never... You mean... 1128 01:22:23,450 --> 01:22:25,819 You mean, I didn't want to play here originally? 1129 01:22:25,839 --> 01:22:26,707 Well... Yeah. 1130 01:22:26,849 --> 01:22:30,761 I explained all that. That was all a CIA setup. I'll explain that someday. 1131 01:22:31,521 --> 01:22:32,815 We look forward to that. 1132 01:22:32,839 --> 01:22:35,087 Bobby Fischer, welcome to Iceland, and thanks for talking to us. 1133 01:22:35,127 --> 01:22:37,598 Have a good night. 1134 01:22:59,068 --> 01:23:01,398 Sorry for keeping you waiting. 1135 01:23:01,458 --> 01:23:03,489 How does it feel to be a free person? 1136 01:23:03,519 --> 01:23:05,488 Oh, it feels great. 1137 01:23:05,528 --> 01:23:11,408 You got a wonderful country, wonderful fresh air, very fine people. 1138 01:23:11,467 --> 01:23:16,388 Um, excellent food, uh, plenty of room... 1139 01:23:16,418 --> 01:23:18,167 What's next, Bobby? 1140 01:23:18,207 --> 01:23:21,417 I still want to do a book showing how the... 1141 01:23:21,477 --> 01:23:26,397 1984-85 Karpov-Kasparov match was pre-arranged, move by move. 1142 01:23:26,426 --> 01:23:27,809 They all say, "Oh, Fischer... 1143 01:23:28,328 --> 01:23:30,170 didn't write the book he said he was going to write". 1144 01:23:30,227 --> 01:23:33,846 Yeah! But they don't say that they stole all my file on it. 1145 01:23:33,886 --> 01:23:39,028 They don't say that they stole several big moving boxes full of books, 1146 01:23:39,058 --> 01:23:40,909 that took me years to accumulate. 1147 01:23:40,940 --> 01:23:42,829 - What is your name? - Jeremy. 1148 01:23:42,859 --> 01:23:44,358 - Jeremy, what? - Schapp. 1149 01:23:44,398 --> 01:23:46,798 Your father was Dick Schapp, you were telling me last night? 1150 01:23:46,828 --> 01:23:49,337 - Yes, exactly. - Yeah, I knew him, yeah. 1151 01:23:49,367 --> 01:23:51,087 He rapped me very hard. 1152 01:23:51,118 --> 01:23:53,909 He said that, I don't have a sane bone in my body. 1153 01:23:53,918 --> 01:23:56,288 I didn't forget that. 1154 01:23:56,338 --> 01:24:00,098 His father many, many years ago befriended me. 1155 01:24:00,128 --> 01:24:02,376 Took me out to see, I don't remember what... 1156 01:24:02,417 --> 01:24:04,546 - Knicks games. - Knicks games, and... 1157 01:24:04,576 --> 01:24:08,687 You were 12. -Acted kind of like a father figure... 1158 01:24:08,717 --> 01:24:12,106 And then later, like a typical Jewish snake, 1159 01:24:12,136 --> 01:24:14,556 he had the most vicious things to say about me. 1160 01:24:14,586 --> 01:24:16,647 - I have to object, Bobby. - Okay. Go ahead. 1161 01:24:16,697 --> 01:24:20,696 Did you read the article where he said, I don't have a sane bone in my body? 1162 01:24:20,727 --> 01:24:23,768 Honestly, I'm not sure if I read it, but I know that he said it. 1163 01:24:23,788 --> 01:24:26,439 - Yeah. - And, and, honestly... 1164 01:24:26,459 --> 01:24:28,474 I don't know that you've done much here today, really, 1165 01:24:28,913 --> 01:24:31,158 to disprove anything he said. 1166 01:24:45,928 --> 01:24:50,056 I met Bobby after he came to Iceland. 1167 01:24:50,096 --> 01:24:53,026 His existence was a very lonely one. 1168 01:24:55,066 --> 01:24:58,423 He gradually, in Iceland, like everywhere else, 1169 01:24:58,522 --> 01:25:00,990 he alienated people with his behavior. 1170 01:25:01,014 --> 01:25:04,579 I had two... I had one huge safe... 1171 01:25:04,609 --> 01:25:08,198 We just walked around the pond, downtown Reykjavik, and we talked... 1172 01:25:08,249 --> 01:25:10,998 and we had coffee together, and... 1173 01:25:11,029 --> 01:25:15,168 Then, I met him a few times when I ran into him in restaurants, etcetera. 1174 01:25:15,208 --> 01:25:19,327 The U.S. didn't give a damn what their opinions were anymore. 1175 01:25:19,337 --> 01:25:20,692 Their role was over. 1176 01:25:21,100 --> 01:25:23,514 Now the bomb belongs to the government, you understand? 1177 01:25:23,538 --> 01:25:25,767 - This is... This is... - And, and they were... 1178 01:25:25,797 --> 01:25:28,047 And they were shocked. They didn't believe it. 1179 01:25:28,097 --> 01:25:31,466 Listen to me, if we are going to have a fucking conversation... -Okay. 1180 01:25:31,506 --> 01:25:35,975 All right? Then this cannot be a monologue. -Yeah, okay. 1181 01:25:36,006 --> 01:25:37,771 He, uh, could not... 1182 01:25:38,690 --> 01:25:42,722 tear himself from the topic of the evil nature of the Jews, 1183 01:25:43,495 --> 01:25:45,661 and the evil nature of the United States 1184 01:25:45,806 --> 01:25:48,357 or the evil nature of nuclear power. 1185 01:25:48,618 --> 01:25:50,568 He talked about this relentlessly. 1186 01:25:50,619 --> 01:25:53,658 And, you couldn't... really couldn't pull him out of that discussion. 1187 01:25:53,688 --> 01:25:57,328 It was not just that he was talking about it. 1188 01:25:57,358 --> 01:26:04,198 It was also the obsessive-compulsive nature of the discussion, 1189 01:26:04,217 --> 01:26:05,757 the relentless nature of it. 1190 01:26:05,807 --> 01:26:08,837 You don't see how fucked up the world is, that's a form of insanity. 1191 01:26:08,876 --> 01:26:11,475 The last time I ran into him... 1192 01:26:11,505 --> 01:26:17,897 I turned him away from my table, because I had gotten enough of him. 1193 01:26:17,936 --> 01:26:23,566 Most of us, think within relatively narrow boundaries. 1194 01:26:23,606 --> 01:26:27,736 But, an occasional individual manages to get outside of the box. 1195 01:26:27,776 --> 01:26:30,015 Those are the people who make new discoveries. 1196 01:26:30,067 --> 01:26:31,822 Those are the creative people. 1197 01:26:32,028 --> 01:26:36,838 But, occasionally, it is difficult to get back into the box. 1198 01:26:36,867 --> 01:26:40,037 The king moves, takes the queen... 1199 01:26:40,067 --> 01:26:47,048 His genius and his illness are joined at the hip. 1200 01:26:47,078 --> 01:26:51,877 I don't think that Bobby could have been as creative, as extraordinary, 1201 01:26:51,916 --> 01:26:54,937 without being extraordinary in other aspects. 1202 01:26:54,967 --> 01:26:57,267 And that aspect, we call a disease. 1203 01:27:03,095 --> 01:27:06,097 I don't consider myself to be... 1204 01:27:06,116 --> 01:27:08,525 a genius at chess. 1205 01:27:08,565 --> 01:27:12,938 I consider myself more to be, uh... 1206 01:27:12,958 --> 01:27:17,157 a genius who just happens to play chess, you understand? 1207 01:27:17,208 --> 01:27:19,407 So, I could be doing any... 1208 01:27:19,448 --> 01:27:23,418 I could have done, and I can do any number of other things, you know? 1209 01:27:23,448 --> 01:27:25,587 You know, I always wanted to write some songs. 1210 01:27:25,617 --> 01:27:29,137 I was telling Evans, uh, Larry Evans. This was back in the 60's, I remember. 1211 01:27:29,166 --> 01:27:32,427 I said, you know, I listen to all these songs. I wish I could write them... 1212 01:27:32,457 --> 01:27:35,126 But, I try to write something. I try to think of something, 1213 01:27:35,147 --> 01:27:37,676 and, I guess, nothing comes out. 1214 01:27:37,726 --> 01:27:41,266 And, he says, "Yeah, because you haven't lived... " 1215 01:27:41,296 --> 01:27:44,315 And I started thinking about it, he's right. 1216 01:27:45,656 --> 01:27:50,105 My chess library, all my other regular library... 1217 01:27:50,136 --> 01:27:53,075 All my personal correspondence, all my chess sets... 1218 01:27:53,106 --> 01:27:58,819 All kind of stuff, everything just stolen. Everything... 1219 01:27:58,838 --> 01:28:00,988 He died from his psychiatric illness. 1220 01:28:00,998 --> 01:28:05,488 He did not want to accept treatment for benign prostatic hypertrophy. 1221 01:28:05,508 --> 01:28:08,326 He refused dialysis, I understand. 1222 01:28:08,346 --> 01:28:12,047 Probably could have prolonged his life, if he had taken it. 1223 01:28:12,077 --> 01:28:16,516 I was able to get him a photograph of Regina and Joan to have with him, 1224 01:28:16,546 --> 01:28:20,466 which is what he had with him in the hospital when he died. 1225 01:28:21,755 --> 01:28:25,126 Reportedly, Fischer's last words were... 1226 01:28:25,156 --> 01:28:28,156 "Nothing is so healing as the human touch". 1227 01:28:36,566 --> 01:28:41,038 The Former World Champion of Chess, Bobby Fischer has died. 1228 01:28:41,078 --> 01:28:43,998 His career reached its height during matches with his 1229 01:28:44,027 --> 01:28:47,077 nemesis, Boris Spassky, back in 1972. 1230 01:28:47,127 --> 01:28:49,188 American chess superstar, Bobby Fischer, has just died. 1231 01:28:49,217 --> 01:28:51,997 Former World Chess Champion Bobby Fischer has died. 1232 01:28:52,037 --> 01:28:55,117 Considered by many as the greatest chess player of all time. 1233 01:28:55,157 --> 01:28:59,027 Bobby Fischer dead at the age of 64. 1234 01:29:04,566 --> 01:29:07,046 Just his games, that's his monument. 1235 01:29:08,685 --> 01:29:10,715 His games. 1236 01:29:12,305 --> 01:29:14,634 If you love an art... 1237 01:29:15,607 --> 01:29:18,304 Let's say, you love painting. 1238 01:29:18,344 --> 01:29:22,768 Imagine if Picasso had died after only five years of work, 1239 01:29:22,798 --> 01:29:25,566 and all the rest of his works had never appeared. 1240 01:29:27,367 --> 01:29:30,537 This was a tragedy for the whole chess world. 1241 01:29:33,377 --> 01:29:35,456 He did it all by himself. 1242 01:29:37,596 --> 01:29:42,906 He penetrated the secrets of chess, in this shabby Brooklyn apartment. 1243 01:29:46,436 --> 01:29:48,936 He was the best player who ever lived. 1244 01:29:50,556 --> 01:29:53,526 Bobby Fischer. Sound Roll 3. 1245 01:29:54,926 --> 01:29:56,565 Right. 1246 01:29:58,455 --> 01:30:00,115 Speed. 1247 01:30:01,034 --> 01:30:02,705 Bobby, uh... 1248 01:30:02,735 --> 01:30:04,737 You've been playing this game since you were 6 years old. 1249 01:30:04,777 --> 01:30:08,797 And, playing it very seriously since shortly after the age of six. 1250 01:30:08,827 --> 01:30:12,967 Did all this concentration, to the exclusion of other activities... 1251 01:30:12,997 --> 01:30:17,466 Did this bother you? Do you think this deprived you of anything growing up? 1252 01:30:17,506 --> 01:30:20,887 Maybe, yeah, yeah, to some extent, yeah. 1253 01:30:20,927 --> 01:30:23,006 Like what? 1254 01:30:23,056 --> 01:30:25,396 Well, it would have been better, you know, a little more balanced... 1255 01:30:25,426 --> 01:30:29,646 Yeah, maybe, you know, a little more rounded, but what can you do? 1256 01:32:55,247 --> 01:32:58,547 Published 10/28/2012 @ www.podnapisi.net 110269

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