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And what we said to him was, look, we need somebody to teach us how to sail.

We've got a delivery job.

He said, are you working just now?

You can either come out and teach us to sail or you can come and do the

delivery, whatever.

They were willing to offer £1 ,000.

Just get us out at Marina, please.

It took probably about 30 seconds hesitation before I said...

Yes.

Then he was pleased to see me. Now there was somebody who knew about these

strange sailing boats.

I don't like it. I just don't like the boat.

Their knowledge of this subject was sadly lacking.

It had sails on it and stuff like that. I don't understand that. I just wasn't

happy on the thing.

Basically, within 30 seconds of my arrival on the deck, I let out a screech

horror.

Donald was freaking, he was saying, oh, no, look, look, you've got, I don't know

what they call them, but the mass was about to fall down.

It could have very easily all ended in tragedy.

Oh, what are you doing, you know? So that's why you're here.

Frank came on board.

And we set off to Malta.

There was a considerable amount of enthusiasm on that first day.

This guy knew what he was doing, you know. This guy's good.

I actually thought, this is going to work.

But fairly quickly after leaving the island, various things about the whole

attitude to the trip that made me think that the sailing was not the primary

object of the exercise.

I mean, you can't teach a monkey how to play a chess, can you?

The suspicion had been growing.

There was something about the whole approach that made me think that there

something perhaps a little dodgy about the entire enterprise.

Frank began to make noises about, what would you do if you could get a really

nice sum of money?

And this began to ring alarm bells.

The weather began to deteriorate as we were approaching Malta.

By that time, the enthusiasm was rapidly failing, certainly for Frank, who just

happened to be on a helm at the time.

Frank became a little bit upset about being thrown around.

The weather was bad, so what could we do?

I think he wanted Donald to pick the boat up and carry him.

He was beside himself, suggested that...

I really needed to do something about this motion because if I didn't, he

throw me over the side.

Doubts began to creep into my mind then. Why did you buy a sailing boat?

What was the purpose of this boat?

I think it had a good idea that there's something going wrong here, you know,

there's something out of order.

He began to say, have you realised that we're not just wanting to learn to sail?

We've actually got something naughty planned here. We intend to take the boat

across the Atlantic and to pick up a consignment of drugs.

Cocaine.

He said that I would be paid.

£40 ,000.

I had visions of police carrying about armed drug dealers in South America.

He said, you are now party to information that, let's face it, is

dangerous. Should I do something that caused this operation to be blown?

I cross this operation?

Then there was no place in the world to hide.

The decision had to be yes.

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A nightmare which has continued ever since.

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The plan.

The plan.

My involvement was purely to skipper the boat.

Sail it out of the Mediterranean, go down to the Caribbean.

And then enjoy myself in the sun.

I would have no involvement whatsoever in the handling of the drugs.

And then get the phone call and go and pick up the drugs.

This well -oiled machine would be put in place.

Payday. Bye -bye. See you later.

Straightforward. No problem at all.

Slick. Yeah.

Super slick.

We finally lost sight of the islands just as the sun was going down that

evening. And then the realisation kind of sunk into the guys that this was the

last time they would see land for us.

anything up to a month.

Almost from that point on, there's no going back.

It was just really a growing sense of impending doom.

Dennis was aware of the clash of personalities between Frank and I.

Frank had a great deal of underlying aggression.

I wasn't happy. I didn't want to be on board, to be very fair.

Because it was just like a bad atmosphere, you know.

It must have made things very difficult for him, but he tried to remain neutral.

Frank and I are old friends.

We're old friends.

I'd have done anything for him, and I think he'd have done anything for me.

It was a normal day. I was working.

Put pots frank.

How you doing, Nancy? You've got a while. What's going on?

Do you fancy coming sailing?

Straight out of the blue.

You know, he offered me £40 ,000.

£40 ,000 cash in your hands is a lot of money.

But he could have offered me a bag of chips, I think, and I'd have gone. You

know what I mean?

I was a good mate.

And a good mate, you know.

What happens on a boat, you get into like a routine.

You work four hours, you sleep eight hours.

After the first night, I couldn't get it. I just couldn't work out what was

happening. My head was going in bits.

I really felt this trip was just going to be an endless nightmare of feeling

absolutely exhausted all the time.

We got seasick. We got sick of the sea.

The scenery was, you know, the same.

You couldn't play I Spy or anything because it was I Spy with Malachi like

something with B. Well, that's bought SSC and Cloud, you know what I mean?

was it.

It's really resigned to getting on, getting over there and getting done with

We've really kept the whole thing under wrap, if you like.

Once the land was sighted, as a sailor, there's a sense of quiet satisfaction.

I remember being happy.

I remember being sat on the boat thinking, well, that's all right, you

I mean? There's land at last, you know what I mean?

Go and have a shower.

I think Frank and Dennis felt quite proud of themselves that they had

this endurance exercise.

Got to Antigua.

One piece, I think we did it in 23 days.

Seem to remember Frank saying, yeah, well done, Skipper. Yeah, you've brought

across here.

Just as we're going to the marina, comes in this aeroplane.

Rough answer now. The German.

I make it look something says.

That's good timing.

He said, I couldn't have done that any better.

Couldn't have done what?

What, girlfriends or not?

What girlfriend?

Oh, German bird.

Off he goes, like 20 seconds after landing.

Off he goes, we got money we had, and goes to a hotel with his bird.

When he went off with his missus, we had to give him every single penny we had.

Everything.

Dennis was becoming less and less confident in the whole operation.

I think he did two weeks five -star in his big luxury hotel.

We didn't even get a sniff, you know what I mean? We've got no food.

Well, theirs was going for, like, £20 or £30 million worth of drugs and we had

no food on the boat, you know?

I certainly was making noises.

Was there some way that we could bring this to an end? Did we have to continue

with this?

with his nightmare.

He said, were I to run away from this situation, or to attempt to, that

had only one conclusion.

My death.

As we were sailing to Margarita, Frank announced that we would need to make

preparations for the jugs.

He had made it clear from the beginning that it was a sizeable quantity.

Oh, dear.

Like, where am I going to put this stuff? I mean, you can't just put it,

behind cushions, can you?

There were some five internal water tanks.

We just threw them overboard.

We drained a diesel tank. Then we could actually take the diesel tank out. We

could put the stuff below the diesel tank or the diesel tank on top.

That was our preparation.

Probably the last water tank was jettisoned when we had the coast of

in sight, and after that, that we anchored in Porlamar Bay.

What a dump.

Absolute dump.

Just horrible, horrible place.

And that was just first impressions. We later found out that it really was

horrible, you know, it wasn't just first impressions.

So we actually moved out into a hotel, I think, the first day.

For me, it was extremely strange behaviour and very unusual for cruising

yachtsmen to be leaving their boat as soon as it got into harbour.

and had enough to live in a hotel.

This was unusual attention -grabbing behaviour.

We were promised we'd get a two -day turnaround.

My man went away to make the phone calls, come back, right, couple of days,

sorted, we'll be away.

Sound.

We then really went into a waiting mode.

I mean, we started getting nervous because the lies started coming.

We began to run into weeks.

That's gone from him being my mate who had always welcomed at my house, which I

have welcomed at my house, and helped him when he was stuck, to absolutely not

wanting him within a million mile of me.

So it got pretty bad.

We've been there a long time, a long time.

I think after about four weeks, five weeks, my mate says, I'm a drama,

and a real drama.

My wife's got cancer in her breast.

There was huge sympathy for the situation that Frank told us he found

in. Donald lost his dad through cancer. I lost my mum through cancer. We know

what it is, you know.

I mean, what would anybody do?

Get on your way, get out of Margarita, go home.

But of course he should go back to Britain.

We actually paid for his tickets and all that rubbish.

It cost a fair few quid to get him out of the country.

Gone.

I really had a fairly clear idea that that was the last time that I would ever

be Frank.

It turns out there's nothing wrong with his life, you know what I mean?

There's just not one way to show her right is right.

What we were doing, we were actually waiting for a phone call.

Just wait for the phone call.

Do what the phone call says.

Nothing else.

I'd sort of got the feeling that we were being watched.

But I don't know if it was out of paranoia.

I was pretty sure that we were being watched.

We had a funny feeling that, yes, we were going wrong.

That's the beginning of May, the phone finally rang.

And he said, can you please put the car on this certain car park, do you know

where it is? Yep.

So I drove away, put the car on the car park, put the keys on top of the wheel,

which you've got to do a bit, you know what I mean, Mick James Walmart.

24 hours later, it would be ready for collection at the same point with the

on board.

The same process would be repeated during the following 24 hours.

At that point, there was a sense of increasing dread,

really, that this was the crunch.

It's becoming real, yeah? There were many times when I thought about Just

cutting loose and trying to get away, but each time I was brought short by the

realisation that if I escape today and a week later, these lads are in prison.

They are going to think we are in prison because the guy that left us last week

has talked.

This comes off as Superman.

That night, once I'd actually dropped the car off, I mean, it just

wasn't a happy night, you know.

I think, I don't remember, I don't think I slept.

I didn't sleep a great deal that night, no. There was a constant sense of dread.

Do you run away?

If you run away, it's your fault it's gone wrong.

Where do you run to?

This might be the last night of freedom.

I think that night is when I really realised that what a disaster

it was going to be for my family.

I just couldn't begin to imagine what my daughter's reaction would be.

What effect it would have on her life.

Whichever direction I looked, there were problems or darkness.

I didn't have enough money to fly out.

I didn't have enough airfare to fly away.

Have you lost your mind?

What is going on here? What are you doing?

So why am I going around there?

I just got to do it.

Just got to do it.

When I looked in the back, I just shook my head.

We'd been told it'd be bagged, it'd be boxed, it'd be something, but it'd be

obviously what it was, you know.

Because the bags were open -weaved, you could see that each bag was filled with

blocks of white substance.

They had a big ace of clubs on. You could see them through windows, you

And unless you were a right turd, you'd know what were in it, you know what I

mean? It was so obvious through windows.

I'd been promised it'd be tidy, you know, we could carry it off and people

weren't going to go, oh, look what they're doing, you know.

I could see everything that was going on, and it was just stacked everywhere,

was everywhere.

I said to Dennis, why don't we just take this down the main street of Parliament

and hand it out the windows to pass us by until somebody comes along and stops

us, because...

To all intents and purposes That's what's going to happen anyway This is

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God knows why, eh?

I went into the harbour office and one thing that did catch my attention when I

was there was that there was a strange -looking radio.

A VHF radio, but it was not a marine VHF radio.

On my own driving back, it was, you know, this is it now.

While the forms were being filled in and I was paying the money, which would

have been around the time that Dennis arrived with the car in front of the

the radio began to jabber something in Spanish and a fairly excited

voice.

I think if they'd have weighed a million pound each or a tonne each, they'd have

gone on that boat.

You know, I just wanted to get them on boat, so they were going on.

The glance that the official gave me as he turned the radio down kind of raised

some alarm bells, but I just put it down to a sense of paranoia on my part.

Each bag was quite heavy. It held about 25.

Kilos.

Cocaine.

It was quite heavy work, really.

The carrying of the bags onto the boat was a real slick operation.

Just yugging them out of the boat, you know what I mean? Just chucking them.

As part of the master strategy to avoid leaf detection, it had been felt

necessary and instructed from Frank then that when...

Handling this cargo, we should wear wonderful pink kitchen gloves.

All the rubber gloves helped immensely, yeah, you know.

They made us look like a right couple of idiots and that's it, they didn't help

at all.

The surprise was how actually big it was.

Into each compartment we stuffed basically as much as that compartment

physically able to take.

There was very little space left over, very, very little space.

We're full, you know what I mean?

That's it, I've got no more room.

We're full.

When I realised that the boat was full, or that at least the hiding places were

full, then I thought, well, fine, you know, just let's...

pile whatever comes along on board and if it fills up the accommodation spaces

and we have to actually carry it on deck outside, let's go ahead and do it.

This is a nonsense, it's crazy,

it's an absolute keystone cop's type of stupidity.

The next priority was to return the car in order for the next consignment to be

picked up.

Once Dennis had gone off, then I sat there and just

wondered, you know, here's another fine mess you've got yourself into.

What am I doing here? How has this come about? This is

so crazy.

I was a bit more optimistic than Donald about that it would actually work still.

Perhaps thinking, you know, we've got half of it on and nobody's come.

Is there a chance, you know?

One tenant came back, looked at each other and said, do you fancy a pint?

Right, let's go over and have a beer.

There was no point in sitting there babysitting 300 kilograms of cocaine.

Let's have a beer in the meantime.

If someone came and decided to help themselves to 300 kilograms of cocaine,

far as I was concerned, they were more than welcome to it and they could take

the boat as well if they wished.

It seemed a very, very long time ago and almost a world away since

that phone call had come to me in Hartlepool.

It was quite amazing as where we now were.

Suddenly became aware of vehicle.

The first vehicle was immediately followed by another one.

And then another, and then a larger vehicle.

I shook hands with Dennis and said, basically, it's been nice knowing you.

That was the frightening bit, I think.

When you see guys in combat, not so much the guns, but the combat uniform,

you think, oh.

There's no happening.

That's it.

The first vehicle stopped and the window was rolled down and a person in

civilian clothes asked, are you from the yacht Pulse?

We said, yes, we are.

Do you know why I'm stopping you?

We said, no, we don't know why you're stopping us, you know.

Why? He said, you know.

I turned round and we'll go back.

The convoy then began to drive at walking pace back around the marina

the boat.

So we get on the boat, me and Donald, and I think about six or seven of these

National Guard big rifles on that, you know.

They just pulled both about.

They're saying, where is it? Where is it? We're going to smash the boat up.

we don't know where it is, do we?

Where's what? You know what I mean?

And I think it took them three seconds or something like that, four seconds to

find the first packet, you know.

We have found cocaine on this vessel and you are therefore under arrest.

And that's when they took us off the boat and handcuffed us.

That was not a pleasant feeling. It was finished. It was like, right, let's move

on to another chapter.

As we drove away, one of the troops looked at me and he said, I feel

very sorry, you.

You. 24 years prison.

It's like a fist in the stomach.

I had a fairly clear sense that I would most likely die in the

prison.

I think I started thinking about my family and Burnley.

I knew I was going to get through it, but I wasn't right sure about my dad.

And I wasn't right sure about my sister and my brother, you know, what we'd done

to them.

And that's really, you know, I thought, well, you know, I've destroyed these

people, and I did.

A sense of unreality creeps into the situation.

It's almost like watching it from the outside, watching a movie.

They came in, in broken English, he said, if you behave, we'll behave.

If you don't behave, we won't behave.

If you run away, we'll shoot you.

But we won't shoot you in the leg.

We'll not hurt you. You'll be cut.

That was the first time that one heard the sound of a prison door

closing.

That's a sound that has a special significance.

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When we were arrested at the beginning, I got a chance to write to my father.

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I was very conscious of the possible effects that this would have on my

and, you know, especially my daughter.

These were the most difficult letters that I had ever had to write.

It was devastating to think of what

she was going to go through as a result of receiving this.

Six weeks into it, they took us to court and the interpreter said to us,

right, are you pleading guilty?

We had been there almost up to our knees, literally, in cocaine and

there was no doubt that the prosecution had a very strong case

against us.

We never thought we'd get on.

I never thought I'd see my dad again, you know.

If you plead guilty, then what they do, they give you a third off.

We stood up. Yes, we declare we are guilty and we admit culpability.

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I walk for miles along the highway.

Well, that's just my way.

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It wasn't hell. It was like three floors below.

It was so very, very dangerous for every human being who was

in that prison.

There was a bit of a war going on between the two parts of the prison.

Really, there are no words to describe the utter...

horror and ruthlessness with which we were obliged to live in that place.

They had like an armed guard on roof to keep the other side of the prison from

invading us, you know.

And the people on the guns were prisoners.

And they didn't have homemade guns, they had guns.

They had Brownings, they had Smith & Wessons. They had a Sig 9mm automatic.

The guns were...

Under control, they were used to protect the people of that compound, but

each prisoner carried his own knife, usually six inches to a foot long and

certainly evil -looking.

People got shot, stabbed, killed, every day, you know.

That old brutality.

They strangled a friend of mine right in front of me.

They then sewed up his...

My mouth hung him from the inside of a

window.

Without Donald, I wouldn't be here.

I think if not, I'd have probably hit somebody and gotten shot or something

that. That's what would have happened in Margarita. I'd have belted somebody,

gone nuts, and somebody would have shot me.

I really believe that. I weren't coming out there, you know what I mean?

I don't know my life.

No more. I mean, what more can you... We were literally

fighting for our lives.

The third month, it got bad, you know, got real bad.

There were shots going off, there was people in little, just little holes, you

know, and you think, oh, and there's blood everywhere.

Really, really, really, blood everywhere.

The whole prison was so incredibly tense.

Everyone just waiting and ready for the next group of people to be killed.

The war between the two sides escalated.

Prisoners broke out through the outside wall of their building on the other side

of the prison.

Then managed to get up onto the roof and managed to throw a grenade

through the windows of one of the cells.

And then you think, this is my life, innit? You really know that you're not

locked up, you're just in this shit, you know what I mean?

Everything was so alien to anything I had ever experienced before.

All right, I needed to pay for my time. I did.

You know, I did.

And I paid it.

And here I am, you know what I mean? Hello.

But I didn't need to pay for it like that.

The day I stepped back in England, I just realised how cold it was. It must

hurt my teeth because I was smiling that much, you know, just relief, you know.

So I got home and my sister went out and saw my niece there and everything

before. She was like, she's now five.

So I went for a career.

I've changed.

I think about everybody else and then me. Before it was just me, you know.

What I actually did was just damage my family.

And that's what I'm in it.

To move outside these fenced compounds for the first time

was just an incredible feeling.

Relief.

The last six months have been Chinese torture.

I've now had six Christmases away from Britain, away from my family,

my friends, to get back for Christmas.

It's the next dream, like coming out of darkness into the light.

For me, the hardest part of all of this is my knowledge

of the effect that this has had on my daughter at a very

vulnerable age in her life.

There has not been a day gone by when I haven't thought of her.

She is the person who has suffered perhaps more than anyone.

through this process.

But six years have passed, and perhaps, I hope, we'll be able to

judge with a different perspective, that all is not

black and white, good and bad.

What we did was totally and absolutely wrong and stupid and bad, you know, bad.

You know, we are normal people that do things like this.

And I'm not asking anybody forgiveness. I've paid mine with bells on, you know.

So just give us a chance, you know what I mean?

Give us a chance.

I regret it deeply and thoroughly.

I will regret it for the rest of my life.

Because it has changed my life forever.

Nothing, nothing can ever be the same.

Well, that was the last in the series. Next Monday, we'll look at the taboo

subject of fields of male domestic violence.

Embarrassed men, hidden lives.

That's at ten.

The last will and testament of Mr.

Moore.

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