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In the criminal justice
system,

the people are represented

by two separate,
yet equally important groups:

the police,
who investigate crime,

and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.

These are their stories.

I told you, this has to stop.

Please, just leave me alone.

Emily,

everyone's
waiting to toast you.

You okay?

Gotta keep the bad energy
far away, right?

Okay.

Emily!

Great work, Emily!

You're brilliant!

I wanna thank you all
for coming tonight,

my fellow free thinkers,

my passionate positivists.
- Yes!

Tomorrow we get to share
so many of the ideas

we've discovered together.

We get to help even more people
embrace holistic wellness.

Here's to long,
healthy lives ahead.

All right, what have we got?

Female, mid-30s,

gunshot to
the back of the head.

Name is Emily Starr.

Close range, huh?

MLI said there was some
stippling on the scalp

from the powder burns.

Time of death?

Body temp indicates
between 10:00 and midnight.

Any witnesses?

A clerk at the bodega around
the corner remembers hearing

a loud noise around 10:45
and seeing someone

rush from the scaffolding in a
puffy tan coat with a tote bag.

- Man? Woman?
- He couldn't say.

Perp had a hood and scarf on.

Guessing because of
the scaffolding, no cameras?

Nothing functioning
around here.

Thanks.

What have we got?

Right. Wallet, phone.

That's a pretty nice purse.

Emily Starr.

"Your Amazing Life."

Just got cut short.

How long had you
been working for her?

Three years.

Emily was
a wellness influencer?

TikTok and all that?

It started that way.

About ten years ago,
she beat stomach cancer--

naturally.

She started a vlog about it,
that caught on,

and pretty soon,
she was recommending

homeopathic remedies for
sleep issues, skin problems.

A few years ago
she opened the center here

because so many
of her followers

wanted to work
with her in person.

Does Emily have any family
that we should be notifying?

No--her mom split
when she was young,

and her dad died
of lung cancer.

That's what got her started
on her health journey.

Emily was killed
on 10th and 27th.

You know what
she was doing there?

She was walking home
from her book party here.

- Did she leave alone?
- Yeah.

Were there any problems
at the party?

Any arguments?

No.

It was a great night.

But she did get a call
that kind of rattled her.

- Do you know who from?
- No.

She stepped away to take it
and looked worried.

The ME says the slug
pulled from the vic

was from a.22 caliber.

The grate sweeps have not
found a murder weapon,

so where are we at with
this menacing conversation?

According to
Emily Starr's cell records,

between 7:00 and 9:00 p.m.,

she got seven calls
from the same number.

And?

The number traces to

Skylar Gibson.

Oh, she's another
health influencer.

And judging by
her social media posts--

#backstabber, #snake--

she's not a fan of Emily Starr.

She also texted Emily
an hour before she was killed.

"Watch your back, bitch."

That doesn't sound healthy.

Emily and I used
to be friends,

roommates for a couple years.

We planned to write
a wellness book together.

And what,
she went off on her own?

She wrote her book
without even telling me.

Then last week I got my hands
on an early copy,

saw my recipes,
my pose sequence.

And that ticked you off?

The wellness market is a $2
trillion industry, detectives.

We all want a piece.

This was a serious
business dispute.

"Watch your back, bitch"?

That doesn't sound
very businessy.

Mm-mm.

You got an alibi
for last night?

I was leading
an online breath class--

the whole thing was recorded.

I never stepped foot outside
this building until 11:00 p.m.

Look, I'm sorry
she's dead, truly.

Okay.

But can you think of anyone
who might want to kill her?

Well, her ex, Zane,
loved her too much.

Trolled her after the breakup.

Dude had anger issues.

And I'm betting he didn't like
that Emily wrote about him.

In her new book?

Chapter 13, "Cleansing
Yourself of an Evil Ex."

Hi, Zane.

We're just gonna play a little
show and tell, all right?

I'm gonna show you a video,

you're gonna tell me
what the hell you're doing.

Sit down.

That's you at Emily's
book party two nights ago,

trying to get in, while that
nice gentleman with the iPad

is telling you to take a hike.

That piss you off?
- No!

I-I just wanted
five minutes of her time.

I wanted to make amends.

Make amends for trolling
her online for a year?

Look,
I'm a better man now, okay?

I--I'm getting married
next month,

and I credit Emily
for motivating me

to get my act together.

Why the sudden need
to unburden yourself?

I mean, do you really think
she would have

wanted you at her big night?

I heard her on
the radio this week.

She was reading from her book.

It's a bit about me,
and I sounded awful.

So I went to apologize,

and then they wouldn't
let me in, so I left.

Where'd you go?

Just a bar I know.
It's a mile north of the event.

Hey, Zane's alibi holds.

Got surveillance
from outside the bar.

He leaves six minutes
after the shot was fired.

Okay.

Is that a city bus
coming up 10th Ave

from the direction
of the shooting?

It is,
which means that it passed

by the area of the shooting
just minutes prior.

Did you pull the dash cam?

Mm-hmm,
and look what it found

a few blocks north
of the shooting.

You run facial rec?

No luck.
The face isn't visible enough.

But the figure does match
the description

we got from the witness,
minus the tote bag.

So the shooter must
have ditched the tote bag

between the shooting and here.

Do you have a map
of the area?

Yeah.

Okay, see right there?

That passageway that
the shooter's coming out of,

that's a dead end.

So the shooter
ducked in and ducked out.

Call the SRGs.

I'm sure there's a couple
of dumpsters in that alley.

The gun was still
in the tote bag,

so it wasn't contaminated
with any trash.

- Any prints?
- Nothing on the weapon.

But when we test-fired it,
we found something interesting.

See those grooves?

Yeah. Any match in NIBIN?

Primer pin markings
on this casing

are an exact match to a bullet
pulled from a convenience store

armed robbery six years ago.

What happened to that gun?

According to the file,
it was never recovered.

But they did get the shooter.

Got a conviction
based on video.

Who was the shooter?

Eric Domingo,

from South Ozone Park.

Some narcotics priors.

Any idea where he is now?

Looks like he was up
at Mid-State

but was released a month ago.

NYPD!

Domingo, open up!

NYPD!

Whoa, whoa, whoa, officers!

Stand back! Stand back!

- I--
- You stand back!

There's nothing
in the house, I swear.

All right,
check the back room.

Make sure it's clear.

You're not gonna
find anything.

We're not interested
in your dope.

We wanna talk
about Emily Starr.

I don't know what
you're talking about.

That surprises me,
'cause she was killed

by the gun you used
in an armed robbery

a few years ago.

And we also
have a bullet from it

that pierced the skull
of a 34-year-old woman.

Holy--

So you wanna tell us where
you were two nights ago,

around 10:45?

You mean Thursday night?

Yeah.

That was my recovery meeting.

Yeah, yeah,
at St. Mary of Ascension.

Talk to Father Romano.

There were ten of us.

He had us praying,
praying to stay clean.

It was from 9:00 to 11:00.

So how did your gun
end up as a murder weapon

while you're talking to God?

Hey, look,

my girl pawned it
while I was in.

She needed the cash.

Clayton Boyce?

You're law enforcement?

That is correct.

We're here about a gun
a New York City pawn shop

resold you a few months ago.

Sounds like
an illegal firearm

and an illegal transaction,
which I would not partake in.

That's so funny.

That's exactly what
the pawn shop guy said to me

right before I threatened
to have the ATF shut him down.

I got rights.

I don't have to speak to you.

Oh, we got rights too.

We got rights to get
a warrant for all your records,

every transaction.

I mean, if you sold one single
keychain without sales tax,

the state has the right to
revoke your business license.

And that's after
we exercise our right

to get your FFL yanked.

Listen, that.22 revolver
was used in a murder.

If you help us find out
who bought it,

we may just get too busy
chasing down our suspect...

We get very focused.

And we just
don't have any time

to look into your bookkeeping.

At the gun shows,
people show up with cash

looking for something
under the table.

Some sellers
unload stuff out back.

You got a place
and date for this gun show

where this.22,
which you know nothing about,

disappeared?

Falling Rock Gun Show,
ten days ago.

There's no list
of gun show attendants,

but we managed to get
parking lot video.

We ran 122 plates.

Any matches to anyone on
Emily Starr's contact list?

Nothing.

But three were rental cars,
so we looked

at video of those drivers.

Two show their faces
in broad daylight.

But this one, the one with
the hat down, scarf up--

Trying to hide.

That car was rented
to a Roger Massey

from Darien, Connecticut--

52, married, works for
Capstone Insurance.

Why don't you run the
rental plates through the MTA

and see if that car was
anywhere near Manhattan

the night of the murder?
- Mm-hmm.

And, uh, does this guy
have any link to Emily?

He's not on her client
or follower list.

Looks like he came in over
the Triborough at 8:18 p.m.

Went back over the bridge
at 11:52 p.m.

That's an hour
after the murder.

Let's call in a warrant.

What in the hell
is going on here?

We have a warrant
to search your premises.

Step aside, sir.

Thank you.
- Search for what? Why?

Mr. Massey, your rental car
was in Pennsylvania last week

at a gun show where we believe
you purchased a weapon

used in a recent murder.

Murder? Pennsylvania?

Well, that's not possible.

My wife was only using
the rental for errands

while hers was in the shop.

Someone else must have used it.

Carol, come down!

They're here about
the rental car.

Rental car?

Hey, we found this
in the garage trash,

bagged a few times.

We sprayed luminol.
It's got blood spatter on it.

Blood?

What in the hell
is going on here?

Mrs. Massey,
is that your jacket?

Roger, say nothing.

- What?
- Just say nothing.

All right, let's go.
We're taking them both in.

- He--he did nothing wrong.
- That's okay. Come on.

We're gonna let
the DA make that call.

You have the right to remain
silent, do you understand?

Anything you say can
and will be used against you.

Do you understand?
- Roger, it's okay.

Say nothing.

Nothing.

Neither the wife nor
the husband is talking?

No, not a peep, and they
both have lawyers on the way.

But I did call the insurance
company where Roger works,

and they say
he was in the office

on the day of the gun show.

Also, there was only one person
in the surveillance video

of the rental car,
who matches her build.

All the evidence points to the
wife being a single shooter,

wearing the jacket that was
found at the Massey house

with the victim's blood.

I mean, Carol's DNA
is all over it.

Why does a suburban wife

execute a 30-something
influencer?

We pulled the phone records.

It seems like Roger called
her twice, five months ago.

And then she stopped
answering his calls.

What about her?

She have any contact
with the victim?

She reached out a few times
in the weeks before the murder,

but the calls always
went to voicemail.

So maybe the husband had
an affair with Emily Starr,

and the wife got jealous?

Motive is iffy here.

But we can prove that she
bought the gun the week before,

and then she shot the victim
in the back of the head?

I think any grand jury
in town will say yes.

So...

cut the husband loose,

charge the wife
with murder two.

So what's the connection

between Carol Massey
and Emily Starr?

'Cause other than some
unanswered phone calls,

I don't see that she sent
any emails to the victim.

No, no, but here's
a flurry of emails

with someone named Lauren Hope
in the month before the murder.

Subject, uh,
"Why won't you listen,"

and "Stop ignoring me."

Email address is
at Hudson University.

Hmm.

Well, according to
her social media,

Lauren Hope, age 20,

used to live in
Darien, Connecticut,

before she went to Hudson.

Oh, used to be tagged in
her photos as Lauren Massey.

She's the couple's daughter?

Is there a Lauren Hope
in Emily's records?

Lauren Hope.

Oh, just last year she spent
14 grand on Starr's workshop.

Three-day cleanse.

That is a lot of money
for green juice.

She also paid weekly rent
to stay at Starr's center

last winter, over the holidays.

Guessing Mom didn't like that.

This email
to her daughter says,

"Emily Starr only wants
your money,"

and "the woman is dangerous."

So, rebellious kid
changes name,

blows through thousands
on fringe wellness regimen?

Mom kills to shut it down?

It's not perfect, but it's
the beginning of a narrative.

An illegally purchased handgun
a week before the murder,

the victim's blood
on the defendant's jacket,

emails detailing
Carol Massey's anger

at her daughter's spending
at Emily Starr's center--

the state has a preponderance
of evidence

linking Carol Massey
to this horrific crime...

which ended the life

of an innocent young woman.

Everything Mr. Price said,
absolutely true.

The evidence against my client
is crystal clear.

What's not clear?

Why Carol Massey had to commit
this horrific crime.

Well, I'll tell you--
because Emily Starr is not,

as Mr. Price would have you
believe, an innocent woman.

She was instead
a deadly, imminent threat

to the defendant's daughter,
Lauren Massey.

20-year-old Lauren
nearly died under Emily Starr's

so-called care

and would have died

had Carol Massey not acted.

My client only
killed Emily Starr

to save her daughter's life.

This was an incontrovertible
defense of others.

Objection.

Your Honor,
this is unfair surprise.

Chambers.

Emily Starr was unarmed
when she was shot.

We're not saying she was
a threat to Carol Massey.

She was an imminent threat
to Lauren.

Who was nowhere near
the crime scene.

Your Honor, Lauren Massey
has not responded to us,

but we can confirm
that she was 3 miles

from the shooting that night.
- Is this true?

It's irrelevant
to our defense.

Your Honor,
Lauren Massey suffers from

acute lymphocytic leukemia.

She won't respond to Mr. Price

'cause she was in the hospital,

finally receiving
proper medical care.

Uh, Your Honor, Section
35.15, New York State Code,

mandates that defense
of others can only be invoked

to stop the use of unlawful
physical force against someone.

Physical harm
was a component.

Emily Starr made
Lauren Massey forsake

lifesaving medical treatment.

But her advice
wasn't unlawful,

and the defendant was too far
from her daughter at the time

of the shooting
to possibly meet

the reasonable belief standard

that her daughter's death
was imminent.

Your Honor, we will present
science to show her death

was imminent.

Due to Emily Starr's
reckless remedies,

Lauren Massey was
on the brink of death

until her mother intervened.

I'll allow.

The defense is
totally meritless,

but we need to be ready
for whatever accusations

they throw at the victim.

So what did Emily Starr
actually say about cancer?

"Juicing cleanses the body
of toxins and fights disease,"

and "Rebalancing the body's
pH level can kill cancer."

pH level. That is a nice touch.

So Emily Starr peddled
in unproven remedies,

and a teenager ended up
dangerously sick.

Yeah, but Emily didn't use
physical force against Lauren.

It doesn't meet the legal
standard of the defense.

It may not matter
to the jury.

Defense is gonna have
a field day presenting

Emily's homeopathic nonsense.

They will go for
jury nullification

and force us to defend
her pH juice cleanses.

Nolan, just so you know,

I don't think homeopathy
is nonsense,

and I'm gonna bet
there are a few jury members

who are just like me.

I actually followed
Emily Starr.

You can't just dismiss
an entire field.

As it pertains to this case,

the defense will paint
Emily Starr

as a deadly
snake oil saleswoman,

and they will argue that
the stakes for Lauren Massey,

who is battling a serious
leukemia, were life and death.

It's not gonna be hard
for the defense

to garner sympathy
for the mom of a cancer victim.

Okay.

So we remind the jury

that this is about free speech,

that it's about
guarding care options

they may very well want.

We defend Emily's integrity

and we make damn sure
she's sympathetic as well.

Healing others was
her life's calling.

She wanted people to know
they had choices

outside of the establishment.

How did she help you?

I was an addict.

Opioids.

She walked me through detox,

gave me natural remedies
for the pain,

sat with me
through the worst of it.

Did Emily ever prevent you
getting a second opinion

from a real doctor?

No, but I've honestly
been so healthy

it hasn't even crossed my mind.

I owe everything
to her guidance.

Nothing further.

How much did
Emily's guidance cost?

I can't say exactly.

Ballpark.
Last year,

how much did she make?

I mean, you had access
to her business statements.

- It was around 700,000.
- Wow.

But her company earnings
allowed her

to grow her platform,
reach more people.

How much money did
Emily make off Lauren Massey,

the defendant's daughter?

I'm not sure.

Your Honor, I'm handing over
what has been marked exhibit A,

Lauren Massey's payment records
to Starr Serenity Center.

Would you read aloud
the total amount?

$23,204.

23,000.

Was that for high-tech
machines, CT scans,

MRIs, cutting-edge medicine?

She offered a full
homeopathic regimen of juice,

herbal teas, enemas, exercise--

Were you aware that doctors,
people with actual

medical degrees
who study cancer,

had given Lauren an 85% to 100%
long-term survival rate

if she underwent chemo
and radiation?

But that if her cancer
went untreated

by those tested therapies,

they estimated

that she had only a year
to live?

I don't think--

Your Honor,
Mr. Sirianni's questions

are outside the scope
of the witness's testimony.

Withdrawn.

But...

just so I can completely
wrap my head

around the finances,

true or false:

Emily Starr asked Lauren Massey

to pay her $23,000

to be killed slowly
within a year?

- Objection.
- Withdrawn.

Nothing further.

Get this--
"Influencer's followers

sing her holistic praises."

Emily Starr's subscribers
list is growing.

Her followers are making
TikTok testimonials.

After the defense
painted her as a crook?

Guess all press
is good press.

Not according to
the oncology community.

They're up in arms
about all this

anti-science wellness stuff.

They have officially
denounced Emily, her center,

and 18,000 other
TikTok influencers

whose cancer cures
have no basis in science.

18,000? That's a lot.

Yeah, it is.

And that could be useful.

And when did you learn
that Lauren had decided

on Emily Starr's
so-called therapy?

Lauren missed a follow-up
with her oncologist,

so I called her.

She said big business
had caused her cancer.

She didn't want big pharma
to profit off her treatment.

She told us she was
changing her name

to reflect this new outlook--

Lauren Hope.

And, uh, she didn't want
my dangerous

and doom-filled advice.

I was so confused.

And then eventually
we found a credit card bill

for Starr Serenity Center
and figured out

who Emily Starr was.

And what was the status
of Lauren's cancer

during this time?

We didn't know.

But last June, we got
a phone call from an ambulance.

Lauren had collapsed
in a store.

At the hospital
we got her an MRI,

and the cancer,
it was all over her insides.

It was just eating her away.

And we thought this would
snap her back to her senses,

but Emily told her it was
a natural cleansing stage,

that what she needed
was rest at the center.

My husband and I had
four different oncologists

look at Lauren's scans,

and they all said
the same thing--

that she would be
dead within months.

Did you give this
information to Lauren?

We couldn't.

Emily told her to avoid
upsetting contact.

I couldn't find her
at her dorm.

I didn't know if she was
at the center or on a trip.

All I knew was that
she was gonna die very soon.

Nothing further.

Mrs. Massey, um,

I--

I can only imagine
how stressful it is

to have a sick child,
and I applaud your efforts

to get her the best treatment.

Thank you.

She had chemo

and radiation, correct?

At the start, yes.

So your daughter
was well-versed

in the care options available,

and yet she chose
something else.

No, she was led to believe
that this juice option

could be as effective
as radiation and chemo.

And then Emily told her
that she was better.

That--that's not a choice,
that's a con.

You admit freely
to shooting Emily Starr?

I do.

Right, because of
the dangerous advice

she gave your daughter?

Yes.

Did you know, Mrs. Massey,
that just last year,

over 18,000 wellness advisors

recommended alternatives
to chemo and radiation?

Would you kill them all?

Those thousands
didn't shut my daughter

away from her parents.

Is that what this is about?

Anger that Emily Starr
assumed your role?

No.

Is that why you could think
of no other remedy

but to shoot her?

I just went there
to scare her,

to beg her
to leave Lauren alone.

With a loaded gun
that you had driven

across state lines to purchase?

Lauren needed treatment.
She needed a doctor.

Emily walked away.

Her spell over my daughter,
it needed to be broken.

My baby was gonna die.
I wasn't gonna let that happen.

So, yes, I--I shot her.

Nothing further.

Let's adjourn for the day.

The jury knows
the mom legally overstepped.

I'm just not sure they care.

She was very sympathetic.

What,
you're assuming the jury

can't keep their emotions
out of this?

No, I'm assuming they think
the mother was suffering

some sort of extreme
emotional distress

when she was confronted
with how dangerously

her daughter's cancer
had spread.

The girl was on
the precipice of death.

Okay, Nolan,
don't go soft on me.

Okay? Not now.

Look, I--I'm truly sorry for
what that woman went through,

but no way did
she lose her cool.

Well,

get ready to contend

with another
sympathetic witness.

Lauren Massey's out
of the hospital.

Lauren, thank you
for coming today.

I know it took a lot
to get here.

It did.

But I'm just grateful
to be alive,

and I owe it to my mother.

Lauren, the jury has heard
about Emily Starr's regimen,

and there's been some
speculation as to how and why

you came to follow her advice.

Could you tell us
in your own words?

I hated being a girl
with a disease.

Emily made it seem like

there was an easy way
to get better.

The things the oncologist
had told me

didn't seem real.

Emily preyed upon that,

then made sure hers was
the only voice I heard.

Told me my cancer was gone.

Do you understand
how crazy that is?

Did you show them the scans

of what was going on inside me,

the scans she prevented me
from seeing?

Thank God for my mother,

or I wouldn't be here.

Thank you, Lauren.

Nothing further.

Lauren...

I know you have
been through a lot

and clearly

love your mother very much.

I do.

And you express dismay
that Emily had lied to you,

so I wanna give you a chance
to be honest.

You were 19 when you decided
to stop chemo

and follow Emily's
health recommendations?

Yes.

Of legal age to make medical
decisions for yourself?

Yes.

Did Emily ever tell you
she had medical training?

No.

And you understood
that your doctor

had recommended
chemo and radiation?

Yes.

Did Emily Starr

ever lock you in a room?

No, but she restrained me

psychologically.

Told me to cut ties
with anyone negative--

my parents, my doctor.

She said their fearmongering
would make my cancer worse.

And you believed her?

When you're sick,

you want it to go away
so badly.

Any liar can own you.

My actual doctor,
he's not allowed to lie.

You all won't let him.

He had to tell me the treatment
was going to be awful.

Why was Emily allowed
to say anything?

It almost cost me my life.

I'm only better now because
I finally saw the MRIs.

I saw proof that
my cancer had gotten worse

under Emily's care.

In all of this,

my mother was
the only person

willing to fight for me,

to save me.

Please,

don't punish her.

Nothing further.

Tough witness.

Push too hard
and it backfires.

I can tell the jury
feels really sorry

for the daughter and the mom.

And frankly, Sam, I'm--

I'm feeling it myself.

It doesn't justify murder.

A TikTok star convincing
a teenager with cancer

to forgo life-saving treatment,
that is bad enough.

But preventing the girl
from receiving

critical medical information
from an actual oncologist

after she collapsed?

All she did was tell Lauren
to stay off email.

And to avoid speaking
with her parents.

That's not free speech, Sam.
That's coercion.

Emily Starr assumed
a duty of care

when Lauren was at her center,
and she violated it.

So what, now you're saying
that the mother was reasonable

in believing that
this was the only way

to save her daughter's life?

Reasonable? No.

Understandable?

Nolan, what happened to
"the law is your compass"?

My mother died
of breast cancer.

I'm so sorry. I--

The treatments,
they were pretty brutal.

She'd always been high-octane.

She was a lawyer.

She was a damn good one.

She hated being so drained.

And then she started reading
about homeopathic treatments.

Eventually, she fell
for the hope pitch,

stopped chemo for a few months.

She got her hair back.
She got some energy back.

But that cost her...

a year of her life.

When you are that sick,
you are vulnerable.

Yeah.

But we need to get
justice for Emily.

Yes.

But man one and 15 years
is not a terrible outcome.

I'm not sure it's the just
or appropriate outcome.

Well, you wanna risk
losing this whole thing

to jury nullification?

I'll set up a meeting.

Man one is
a good offer, Carol.

But it's an admission
of guilt.

You killed an unarmed woman.

I saved my daughter's life.

And I stand by the fact that

Emily Starr's actions
were deadly.

Mrs. Massey, I am sympathetic

to the horrible situation
that you faced.

That's why we're here with
an offer, a very fair offer.

If you decline,

the charge goes back
to murder two,

which carries a minimum
sentence of 15 years to life.

Think about Lauren.

Your daughter needs you.

I am thinking about Lauren,

and all the other Laurens
out there.

Emily Starr's
business is booming.

This is dangerous.

People need to know the truth.

Seems like
a pretty emphatic no.

Come on.

The verdict is
a toss-up at best.

I feel sorry for her,
but I don't want anyone

to walk for a crime like this.

If the jury is leaning
into sympathy and emotion,

let's play the game.

Meaning?

Emily had battled
cancer herself, right?

She went through
the same fear, same struggle.

You wanna call
a rebuttal witness?

Someone to remind the jury
that Emily had

legitimate personal reasons for
her unusual recommendations,

that it wasn't about greed.

It was about choices
that worked for her.

In her book, Emily writes
about her cancer support group

back in Pennsylvania.

I'll find them.

I heard about the court case.

I've just been too busy
to follow it all.

Oh.

I appreciate you taking
the time to meet with me.

We're trying to paint
a full picture of Emily.

It would be really useful
to hear about her

back when she joined
your support group.

Well, Emily, um...

bundle of energy
and positivity.

It was really
inspiring at first.

You know, a lot of us
were battling depression,

struggling with our families.

I had just lost
my consulting job

because I'd taken so much time
off for treatments.

Couldn't stay on my feet.

Emily got me
feeling hopeful again.

You said it was, uh,
inspiring at first.

Did something change?

It's just...

we'd all jumped in,
drinking her teas and juices

but also doing our treatments.

We felt a little better,
but Emily--

she had adenocarcinoma.

Stomach cancer.

It's brutal.

But she never had
any weight loss,

no abdominal pain,

never even got tired.

I mean, Emily Starr
never did any wrong by me,

but don't you think
that's strange?

Nope.

No evidence
of any tumor tissue,

and not a single
microscopic trace

of a cancerous cell
in her body.

And the stomach?

Was in excellent shape.

You get a chance to talk
to her diagnosing doctor?

No hospital within 200 miles
of Emily's hometown,

where she says she was
diagnosed with cancer,

has a record of ever
admitting her for anything.

Well, then I'm gonna say
she didn't beat cancer.

She never had it.

- Thank you.
- Thanks.

Emily's whole
foundational story was a lie?

Jury is gonna loathe her,

and quite possibly
let the mom walk.

Wait, why does
the jury need to know?

This doesn't meet
the Brady standard.

Sam, we've been in court
defending Emily's right

to share her theory
of self-healing.

But it isn't exculpatory,
and it sure as hell

doesn't give the mom
the right to gun her down.

No, of course it doesn't.

But it does show that
Carol Massey's mistrust

was warranted,
that she was right to think

that she was full of crap.

And that, in my opinion,
is favorable to the defense,

and quite frankly,
the jury should know this.

And so should her followers
sitting in court.

Nolan, like you always say,

our job is to follow the law.

And in my opinion,
this information

is irrelevant
to Carol Massey's defense.

It has nothing to do with
her daughter's imminent death.

So you think
we should just sit on it?

Yes.

We have to.

One thing is clear--

Carol Massey
killed Emily Starr.

And despite her extensive
efforts to get away with it,

she was caught.

Once caught, she couldn't
contest the evidence,

so she told you

she had to do it
because Emily Starr

was about to kill her daughter.

This young wellness
influencer's

unconventional ideas were,
according to Carol Massey,

tantamount to homicide.

Fortunately for you,
she's made your job easy

because the law
is crystal clear

about what it considers
a legitimate defense of others.

The harm averted
must be unlawful

and imminent.

In this case,
neither standard was met.

The defense called
no expert to testify

that Lauren was gonna die
that night, or even that week.

More important,

Emily broke no laws

in advising Lauren.

In fact, for seven years
as an active influencer,

not a single civil or criminal
charge was brought against her.

You wanna know what unlawful
physical force looks like?

It's this.

That is the person who needed
protecting that night--

a young woman walking home
from her own party

when a gun was put to her head.

And none of us could
offer her that protection,

but we can

offer her justice.

It's okay to empathize and

to sympathize
with Carol Massey.

I do.

But you cannot let her
get away with murder.

Members of the jury,
have you reached a verdict?

We have, Your Honor.

On the count of murder
in the second degree,

we find the defendant...

guilty.

Members of the jury,
we thank you for your service.

We are adjourned.

Mom!

I'm sorry.

I'm so sorry.

Mr. Price,

we wanted to thank you

for getting Emily justice.

As a great prosecutor
once told me,

a good person killing
a bad person

is still murder.