Original subtitles

[eerie music]

- With the story on TV, more people know about us.

You wonder, like, what's the limit of that?

But I still wasn't worried at this point.

♪ ♪

- I had agreed to be filmed in a Canadian hospital.

Why did I agree to do that?

[scoffs] I don't know.

♪ ♪

- Our story airs.

And then we got this email that changed everything.

The email was from a family member who recognized

the boys on TV in California.

She said, I'm their mom.

I don't know where they are.

I have-- they're my missing children.

I'm sure these are my children.

I've seen what they look like.

These are my boys.

But this story attracted a lot of attention.

It could be anybody calling.

We didn't know for sure that they were the actual parents.

And I'm just like, OK, well, we've gotta confront them.

We picked up Tami, because Tami had so

much invested in these guys.

- Oh my god, I can't believe this.

Poor Tom and Will.

Jesus Murphy, why didn't they let us know?

- I was talking to the mom, and I handed my phone to Tami,

and we were just gonna film it all.

- Hi, it's Tami.

How are you doing?

Did you see pictures?

So you know it's them for sure?

That's him.

That's what he was telling me.

I had a conversation with--

[gasps]

This is your children.

They don't-- they do. They do.

They have the opposite-- oh my god.

♪ ♪

She's totally describing it.

[inhales sharply]

♪ ♪

It's her.

- Mom says, well, here's how you'll know

for sure they're my boys--

Will has a scar in his abdomen.

- I'm gonna look for the scar.

I'm gonna look for the scar.

OK.

Is your husband gonna stay there?

Tell him to take the day off work.

OK, bye.

Oh my god.

- It's totally them.

- Oh, it's freaking totally them, you guys.

OK, where is the front?

♪ ♪

Oh, shit, where do I go?

- Woo, where are you going?

- No, you have to let me in here.

- Where are you going?

- It's me.

You can't-- you can't not let me in.

- Just wait.

OK.

- [panting] Where are they?

- No, no.

You just need to calm down, because in this state--

- Tami was-- was quite upset, and they just said, no,

you can't come in right now.

Once that was a dead end we said,

OK, we have to go see Tom.

So we went driving to the hostel where Tom was staying,

and I remember thinking, could he be dangerous?

Like, we don't know anything about this guy other

than the fact that he's just spun this huge lie for months

and months and months.

Hey, how are you doing, Tom?

- Is this part of the follow-up?

- Yeah.

- Exactly, the follow-up.

- So I remember thinking, well, let's get him in the car.

- All the time I've come to you and I've said, listen,

I think-- is this your mom? Is this your dad?

Is this-- could this be you? - Right.

- Could this be you?

And if I-- if you-- in your head, if I ever got any of them

right, would you just take off?

Well, you wouldn't, because your parents--

- Why would I?

- Right, exactly.

- Let's just go to the parking lot of the RCMP,

be near there when this happens.

A mother came to us, said she has a son named Kyle

and another son named Roen who were living in California,

and who left about a year ago.

Are you Kyle?

- I told you everything that I said about myself.

I have nothing else to add to that.

- Can you answer this question?

Does Will have a scar on his abdomen from a spleen,

uh, with spleen removed?

- He has a scar there, yeah.

- [scoffs]

♪ ♪

[groans]

Do you want to talk to her? - Sure.

- This woman?

- Sure.

- OK.

[touch-tones beeping]

Listen, I have Tom here, Kyle, and he

said he'd like to talk to you.

- Hello?

Hi.

Who is this?

Oh.

I'm OK.

Thank you, though, for worrying about me.

Yeah, she wants to talk to you now.

Bye.

I love you, too.

- I heard that.

[laughter]

- That's when we knew.

Like, that's when we knew that was his mom.

We knew what was true.

- I remember just everything kind of coming unloose.

Like, wait, this is a normal mom and dad?

This is-- they live in California?

Like, that was really hard and really hard to take.

And, um, yeah, that was--

I started spinning at that point.

This was all lies.

Like, the whole thing was a big lie.

♪ ♪

- Tom withdrew, for sure.

He was really quiet.

All the stuff we would have talked about,

our whole relationship as a journalist

and someone you're spending time with,

was all based on a lie.

It just raised more questions.

But now that we knew they were capable of a lie this big,

we just didn't know what else they could be capable of.

♪ ♪

I remember thinking, I'm just gonna, like, you know,

not completely let my guard down here.

- Can you just say, my name is Tom Green?

- My name is Tom Green.

- And then could you just say, my name--

well, we're just gonna try it.

But like, my name isn't Tom Green.

My real name is Kyle Horn.

Put a little pause in between.

- My real name is not Tom Green.

My name is Kyle Horn.

Is that right?

[laughs]

- That was like a little space in between, but just similarly.

- My name is not Will Green.

it's Roen Horn.

My real name is Roen Horn.

See how many different ways I can say it?

- My real name is Kyle Horn.

Sorry, I messed up that time.

There is, like, wanting to merge those two worlds,

you know?

You want to live back in society,

but you don't want these people

who assume authority over--

- Will Green's just a character,

just a survival act.

That's the weird thing about acting.

Because you start to realize it is acting a bit when you

say things in a candid way, because I really am Roen

Horn, right?

I do believe I'm Roen Horn.

♪ ♪

But it's just a name.

♪ ♪

[eerie music]

♪ ♪

- There were various feelings running

through the community when the truth about the brothers

became known.

The skeptics, of course, said, ah, we knew

something was up all along.

- A lot of people had suspicions about if the story

was true or not.

And now a lot of people are like, oh, well,

I guess it figures that that had to happen that way.

- They came up here and, uh, lied to us.

They can go right back.

- Were you surprised that people believed the story?

- No.

If you, uh, kind of go into details and stuff

and make it a little strange, it's more believable to people.

♪ ♪

- You take care.

- Thank you.

You too.

- You get--

I hope you get some help down there.

I was totally betrayed, but I felt only betrayed by Kyle.

Like, why would you do that?

There was no emotion, just numb.

He was just, like, numb to everything.

♪ ♪

And he didn't seem like it mattered.

It was upsetting, because he was just like,

you're the one who chose to help us.

We didn't ask you.

You came to us.

And that is true.

Kind of put mud in my face.

♪ ♪

- Do you have any remorse for what you've put them through?

♪ ♪

- No.

- Not for Tami?

- Um, [scoffs] no.

- Tami was a great person.

You know, that was her character,

and she was out to help people, and she did.

I mean, what she did was not wrong.

What's wrong is the fact that they lied to her.

More than anything you're wondering, wow,

what's really going on here?

- This is more gear than the TV station that interviewed us.

[laughs]

[exhales]

- Should we be closer to each other?

- Yeah, as much as you guys--

- Can't get-- can't get too much closer.

- You can't?

Look at all this space.

- Well-- [laughs]

What am I supposed to do?

- Well, I don't know why you can't get closer.

- Diana, do you want a little--

- I called the news station and said, that's my kid on TV.

And it's not a comfortable position to be in,

but you find that's where you are.

That's them.

- Oh my god, there's Kyle.

- It's so good just to see him.

- We wanted to keep following the story as far as we could,

so we talk to the parents and meet the sister,

and we got a tour of their house in California.

- Well, this is where we live.

This is where Kyle and Roen grew up.

Um, this is our living room.

This is our computer.

- It was like postcard suburbia,

as normal as normal could get.

- This was Kyle's room.

Kyle and Roen, they shared a room.

Um, it looks a lot different than when they were here.

- It seemed everybody-- this was a pretty normal family.

- We went to school, we went to church.

You know, we had a really good upbringing.

We had, you know, it was very "normal."

Um, so I don't understand what exactly happened.

- Why did they run away?

You think they're running away from something horrible.

[somber music]

♪ ♪

Tom had an, uh--

Tom. [laughs]

- Kyle.

- Kyle, thank you.

Kyle, I think, had some mental health issues

that his mom told us about.

- Some of his ideas became so extreme.

- Like what?

Can you tell us?

- I don't know.

- Dare we incriminate him?

[laughter]

Kyle's the sweetest kid ever, but we saw some of his writing

that said he thought it was a good idea

to blow up credit card buildings and police cars.

[tense music]

So I told my mom, and she's like, yeah, this is concerning,

and we should tell the authorities.

And they came out and talked to him,

and come out 10 minutes later and say, we talked to your son,

and we decided he's not a threat.

And he had no intention of following

through on that or something, and that was the end of that.

[keyboard clacking]

- As a teenager, Kyle disappeared into his bedroom

and got lost in his computer.

- He spent too much of his life being reclusive.

And so after he finished high school, he chose not to work.

- He didn't believe in working.

We felt that it was best for him

to realize that people make their way in this world

by working.

So basically, we kicked him out.

And that was the last we heard of him.

- I guess there's really only one question to ask you,

and that's why?

- Well, I had to protect myself and my brother.

[birds chirping]

- We grew up in Roseville, and it's probably

one of the best places in the world to actually live

live in terms of safety.

[eerie music]

My dad was a claims adjuster, and my mom was

working in a movie theater.

We were very middle-class, very comfortable.

- Roen was our baby of the family.

He was always very sweet and very funny.

With the other kids, I remember having rules--

if you do this, call someone a name,

this is what's gonna happen.

If you hit someone, this is what's gonna happen.

But by the time Roen rolled along,

I think I was just tired of all these rules and consequences.

- My parents were very lenient with me

and just allowed me to do my own thing.

They were very much more open-minded.

- On the Wild Card Line, you're on the air.

Good morning.

- They had a more intelligent perspective.

- The conspiratorialists

think that NASA is hiding all of this.

Believe me, this is scary material.

- We would listen to Art Bell every night.

- It was a conspiracy radio show that portrays and paints

a version of reality where, like, there's

a lot more to fear from, like, your government, for instance,

or people in high power.

Like, they're conniving and being evil.

- Growing up, I heard all sorts of weird conspiracies,

you know?

Things that, like, if they're true, that'd be really crazy,

you know?

- Secret society.

- Not to trust the medical profession, because the drugs

are harming you.

- Dangers of vaccines.

- The antibodies in the body don't help

but makes it worse.

- Why do we put fluoride in the water?

It costs a lot of money to do that.

- There's a whole out-there fringe group

who think the Earth is flat.

- I'm pretty much in that camp.

- The authorities, they don't want people

to see what's really there.

[chimes tinkling]

- When I was nine years old, on Thanksgiving Day,

I was riding a bike, and I lost my balance.

And then before you know it, I tipped over,

and the bicycle handlebar went right into my gut.

I, like, hobbled back to my house.

I had extreme pain.

So then I get to my house and I just sprawl out on the floor.

- And we're trying to do Thanksgiving,

and he's just laying there and he's not feeling

better and not feeling better.

I call 911 and I'm saying, what if he's got internal injuries,

and I don't even know it?

And they're like, um, yeah, we're gonna

get an ambulance over here.

[siren wailing]

And so we go to the hospital, and they're like,

we're gonna have to do an emergency operation.

- And the nurses are talking about,

OK, we're gonna coat this tube we

have to put down your throat.

And you might be allergic to these chemicals.

I'm thinking, I could die, and maybe I'll never wake up.

♪ ♪

[somber music]

I wake up, and then the doctors, they say, you know,

we tried to save your spleen.

We tried to sew it up, but we realized we couldn't, and then

we had to take it out.

If I'd arrived at the hospital just one hour later,

I would have internally bled to death.

♪ ♪

- We were told that without a spleen,

you're at heavy risk of catching pneumonia and dying.

- You need to take vaccines, and these different shots,

like, for the rest of your life.

- We believe that there's mercury in them,

and then the autism rates are going way up.

- And I just opted out of that.

- That's how anti-vaccine we've become.

- I was already so much against mainstream systems

that I had already decided, no,

I'm not gonna be taking shots.

There's no way.

When you have an organ removed from you,

you feel like you're not ever fully safe.

It just made me start thinking a lot more about death

and how close I had come to it.

[scoffs] And, um, I think that's when

I really started to just be hyper-obsessed with health.

♪ ♪

And then we got the internet.

[dial-up modem beeping]

I did a lot of internet research,

going to a lot of forums touting, like,

fruitarianism and veganism.

And I started juicing all these vegetables,

natural immunity boosters, herbs.

- And then he stops eating, like, nuts and seeds.

He's eating a lot of fruit.

- I was frustrated.

I thought he was too fanatical.

Like, what?

You can't eat my homemade spaghetti

sauce because I added salt?

But there was no talking him out of it.

- I started to lose the weight maybe around, like, 13, 14.

And then by the time I was 16 I was, like, 114 pounds.

And then that's when my mom was like, whoa.

- I brought it to the doctor's attention.

Isn't our son a bit on the thin side?

Because his elbows and his knees

protruded too much for his skin.

And they said, oh, yeah, you're right.

And so we would have to weigh him many times

and then report to the doctors how his weight was doing.

But when I said, time to get on the scale,

he says, just a minute, Mom.

And he would go to his room and put on a bulky outfit

and hide ankle weights under his clothes.

You know, I figured out what was going on.

- I was reading on the internet it's

part of the detoxification process.

They're saying the fat needs to be

stripped off your body because that's where the toxins are.

But eventually, your body will hold fat again and be healthy.

- The doctors, they all decided he

had some kind of eating disorder,

and he was mentally ill.

And they were trying to treat him as though he were anorexic.

- Based on what I knew at the time of anorexia,

it would have been hard for me to say he was anorexic.

He was in control.

- It's not like I was saying, I just--

I need to lose weight, everyone.

I'm too fat.

I was like, no, I just want to be healthy.

I have an immune system compromise.

I need to do something different than normal people.

And so fruitarianism was kind of just my go-to, the best

knowledge I had at the time.

- We did our best to try to get him

to eat more and take him to psychologist

visits, psychiatrist visits.

The only part we drew the line at following all

their suggestions was when they said,

we want you to have him institutionalized.

And I said, but then he won't have

access to the healthy food.

And then he'll-- he'll lose even more weight.

They said, that's OK, we'll just let him get so

skinny that we could tube him.

And I'm like, this does not sound

like a good solution for him.

And they said, that's OK, we'll just call

the child protective service.

- [knocking]

- They show up at our door with the police

and a warrant to take him away.

And I'm like, but why?

We'll do what you say, why are you doing this, you know?

And while we're having this talk,

Roen's in the kitchen trying to peel an orange for breakfast.

- I was standing there by the fireplace,

and I had the perfect view to see back

where Roen was in the kitchen.

And he was looking at me like, what, are they here for me?

And I gave him a nod like, yeah,

and he left out the back door.

[tense music]

♪ ♪

- Something took over.

I was like, we gotta get out of here.

we're in death zone.

This is battle zone, military war zone.

Like, they're gonna kill me.

[sirens wailing]

That night, I knocked on my brother's window.

[tapping]

- Roen was very serious about not wanting

to be taken against his will, put in a hospital,

put a tube down his throat, and put this garbage that they

would have put into him.

You know, I sneak out at 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning,

bringing him food.

And my parents, they were just looking for him.

- Roen!

- Hey, Roen!

- We want to make sure you're OK!

- I was still afraid my parents would turn me in

at that point,

because I didn't have enough trust that my parents wouldn't.

At some point, you don't--

you even don't trust your own parents.

- I had already been telling my parents

that I was gonna go to Canada, like,

before any of this happened.

So when I did decide, oh, I'm kind of going to Canada,

it didn't seem all that suspicious to people.

- He'd always talked about how it

might be fun to go to Canada.

That's why we weren't immediately suspicious.

[lighter clicking]

- Roen and I got a ride just to Washington.

And from there, we hitchhiked and hiked.

[fire crackling]

- When I got to the border, I remember just being

really nervous as I'm going.

Like, how is this even gonna work?

♪ ♪

[whistle tweets]

- I wasn't sure if you'll be able to cross

that border without them trying to question you

or ask for your ID.

- The whole thing could have just stopped right

there, because it was obvious.

Like, anyone could have seen, like, there's just two hiker

people, like, with huge backpacks,

just literally walking past all the cars.

♪ ♪

- But for whatever reason--

[whistle tweets]

--we literally just walked right across,

and no one stopped us.

♪ ♪

- I don't remember meeting really anyone

until we got up to Vernon.

[eerie music]

Naturally, that's when we needed to come up

with a story,

why we were not able to go back home, why we're--

we wouldn't ever go back home and show you where we live.

So many of the details that we gave were just the truth.

For instance, we used our real birth years.

We used our real birth months.

- The story we created was all about survival,

to be threatened with being put into a facility

and force-fed,

it feels like someone's threatening your life.

♪ ♪

When push comes down to shove, what would

you do for your survival?

- I didn't think he would die.

I think it's just a matter of respect for your freedom.

♪ ♪

But at the same time, Roen didn't really seem

to have much long-term plans.

♪ ♪

We discussed, like, um, well, what

does that look like for you?

Where is this going for you?

The people of Vernon give us a certain amount of money

for food, too, every month.

But winter's coming.

How long is Roen gonna want to do this?

What's-- what's really gonna happen here?

- I'd have much rather had a brother that

did what Kyle did than a brother

that would have turned me in.

Kyle did the-- the best thing he

could have done there for me.

But some part of my psychology wanted the whole thing

to end, because I was thinking about,

like, what am I missing in school?

How long is this gonna go on?

When am I gonna get to see my parents again?

[airplane engine roaring]

- Obviously the parents wanted to come and needed to come.

So we said, we'll bring you to Vernon.

♪ ♪

- Did you talk to your sons yet?

- Uh-- - Are you mad at, uh--

- No, I'm not-- - --you mad at them?

- I'm not mad at them at all.

- Americans and Canadians are different when

it comes to television.

They just said yes right away.

I don't know that a Canadian family would have

agreed to something like that so quickly,

but they were like, sure.

- Hi, Kyle!

- Hi.

- How are you?

- Good.

- So good to see you.

Oh, you look the same.

[laughs]

- There was this kind of weirdly awkward reunion

in a parking lot.

They were like, oh my god, I'm so glad you're safe,

and what the hell were you thinking?

I'm sure inside they were seething.

- Why did you stop calling us in December?

- Uh, just--

I don't know.

- So just a phone call would have helped, you know?

- I remember thinking they weren't

as surprised as you think they might have been, you know?

It was kind of like they were expecting their boys to have

done, you know, something.

[tense music]

♪ ♪

- When Kyle went to Canada, the plan

was he's supposed to call me and let me

know how he's doing in Canada.

Not how "he and Roen are doing," because I

didn't know about Roen.

♪ ♪

Meanwhile, I'm out looking for him in construction sites.

We found a cantaloupe rind or an avocado shell,

and we were like, [gasps] he was here.

♪ ♪

But I do wonder if there was a part of me that

didn't want them to be found.

Maybe if Kyle's taking care of him in Canada,

maybe that's even a good solution.

[distant siren wailing]

♪ ♪

- What do you got?

At what point do you intervene?

- Oh, I can't--

- At what point do you just basically say,

OK, you don't get freedom anymore?

We're gonna take it away, because we love you.

♪ ♪

- I met the parents.

I mean, his mom was really nice, and his dad was,

you know, quiet and humble, but was just crying.

And he was crying in the hospital a lot.

- All I remember when we entered

the hospital is seeing Roen in his emaciated state,

and I was shocked.

I gushed at that time, just seeing him.

Yeah, yeah.

- It was like, oh my gosh, you're

so skinny, so thin, so waiflike,

like someone out of a concentration camp.

Oh my gosh.

And at the same time relieving to get

to be back with your boys.

[gentle music]

- Everything is good right now.

Um, Roen is making progress.

[indistinct chatter]

- I think there needs to be the acknowledgment

that the brothers were experiencing

a mental health crisis.

Were they lying to manipulate, or were they lying out of fear

because they didn't know how to access the help

that they truly needed?

♪ ♪

- I first heard about orthorexia

from the doctor in Canada, and he explained what it was.

I'm like, oh, yeah, that actually-- that actually

sounds like something he has.

- An orthorexic has fear of unhealthy food.

- As long as you're convinced that it's healthy

for your body, you can eat it.

I gained, like, 30 pounds in the Canadian hospital.

I was doing well.

I was on a process of, you know,

continually gaining weight.

- He was getting help for his eating disorder.

And I remember being really happy about that,

and feeling like things were positive

and he was back on track.

- Put him, I think, back on the right path

in a respectable way.

♪ ♪

- Kyle was trying hard to convince Roen to eat more.

Kyle has been portrayed villainous in this.

I've seen people's comments, like, saying bad things

about Kyle for taking Roen away to Canada

and letting him get thin or something.

But he's just trying to heroically rescue his brother.

♪

- Once the story hit the international stage,

a warrant was issued for arrest, and deportation

orders were issued, and they disappeared

as quickly as they came.

[tense music]

- They expedited Kyle's return to the United States

with his father.

And with Roen, they had arranged

a flight direct to Sacramento, so I transported

him to Kelowna Airport.

And the one thing that struck me is, as he was walking up

the stairs into this private air ambulance that had been

chartered just for him, like, he never inasmuch as

even turned back or gave a wave or said,

thank Tami for what she did, or I

appreciate what the hospital did for me, anything like that.

He just got on the plane, never looked back.

♪ ♪

For them at this point, what happened in Vernon in 2003

is probably just a footnote compared

to what they're into now.

[ominous music]

[gentle music]

- Look at that.

[sighs] Awesome.

♪ ♪

OK.

♪ ♪

I know that might seem like a lot of cream,

but coconut cream is really good for you.

Like, that's actually one of the things

I learned about health is that you actually need lots of fat.

There's, like, not enough fat in fruit.

- The medical bills were roughly

about $50,000 to $60,000.

We filed for bankruptcy because of, um, issues

that Roen was having with his dental work.

- Some honey in there.

The acid of the fruit literally dissolved

holes in my teeth.

Like, it was bad.

Boom.

[blender whirring]

- After they put him back in our care,

Roen's life became unusual for many years.

♪ ♪

- When I got back, I never even graduated high school.

I don't feel like having a high school diploma would

probably help me that much.

♪

[camera beeps]

Hello, it's your friendly neighborhood Eternal Life fan.

I want to talk about-- in this video,

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for your eternal life.

What you do every day could really determine whether or not

you get to live forever.

I feel like a lot of people, they get into a normal job,

they're not passionate about it, and it kills them.

You're just born into that mindset.

Oh, you have to die.

Oh, you-- you have to get old.

It's brainwashing.

I don't want your cemetery.

I don't want your normal life.

I need to create a new world that's better.

I want to be like Greta Thunberg.

I want to be the Greta Thunberg of eternal life.

Hello, Eternal Life fans.

It's Roen from the Eternal Life Fan Club.

I want an eternity of pleasure, of joy.

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What you can do to inhale silver

is you want to get a nebulizer.

Definitely consider niacin therapy.

I'm at a cemetery.

I've recently surpassed 3,000 subscribers.

- I'm very proud of Roen that he--

he does what he's passionate about.

He's really obsessed with not dying,

and so he spends his whole life,

you know, making videos about it.

- Yeah, that camera is the best investment I ever made.

- And the mic and all of that.

- And the best investment you guys ever made.

They bought it for me.

I do livestreams and meet online with these, like,

Google Hangouts, and just talk about each other's

strategies and perspective on eternal life.

- I don't want my dog to die, all right?

Let alone watch everyone who's ever going to die, die.

- He had spent so many years contributing

all these wonderful videos.

He never got, like, any ad money,

like, from YouTube at all.

[tense music]

We went to go live with grandkids,

and Kyle finally gets a job and starts living in Arizona.

And Roen's on his own living in a warehouse.

Eventually they were raising the rent to double,

and so Roen found himself homeless.

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[birds chirping]

[car engine revving]

[ethereal music]

♪ ♪

I just wanted him to go back and be with Kyle.

- What kind of intervention do you do for people?

Do you let them, you know, be homeless?

Or do you just keep paying for them, you know?

♪ ♪

Roen's not one of these people who is homeless by choice.

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- I feel like society makes it hard.

It should just be easier to, like,

have a place for yourself.

And I feel, just in a sense, dysfunctional,

and so there's a lot of ways I haven't fully made

myself a part of the society.

♪

I feel like I'm still in the forest.

♪ ♪

- I can't see a quantum shift in their thinking

since all this happened.

I don't think that they left California as boys

and returned as men.

I think they left California as boys

and basically returned as boys.

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- In the story of Neverland, Peter Pan,

he goes to the normal world, and he starts to age.

And he literally-- doesn't he die?

He literally dies.

He chose to go to normal society and die.

It doesn't get more stupider than that.

[muttering indistinctly]

- I would never try to say, well, why do you want

to live forever, you know?

Don't-- you shouldn't want that.

I would never do that.

- I'm looking for a place that's a house with a shower.

That's a good start.

I feel like just my life's been a little lonely.

And, um, just needs more relationships.

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It just, um-- [sniffles]

um, just thinking about how

good the future could be.

In the future, if you're living forever,

then you eventually get everything you ever wanted.

[light music]

♪ ♪

I got the water.

Now I won't be littering.

[engine turning over]

♪ ♪

- So what do you want for dinner tonight?

- Maybe some steamed vegetables.

What do you want?

- Roen is the person I am closest to, because we

talk about very deep things that interest him

and interest me.

And I don't have that kind of relationship with anyone else

like I do with Roen.

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- Me and Kyle, our relationship was

so bonded on going through a traumatic experience together.

- I had to take care of him almost like a parent, right?

But I was never bothered by that, by Roen looking up to me

or trusting me.

And I definitely won't allow anything to happen to him.

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[waves lapping]

- What happened to Vernon is a drop in the bucket

to what we as a society wrestle with today

bombarded by social media and conspiracy theories

and my version of the truth and your version of the truth,

and exactly what is the truth?

Back then, we stuck by the boys when

the story wasn't making sense.

Today would we do that?

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- I was angry.

I was upset.

I was embarrassed, mortified, you know.

Because I rallied all these people together,

you know, to save these boys, and--

- Tami really did believe the story and felt, you know,

hurt later.

From personal experience, I'd say that that's

actually a helpful change.

It opens you up to possibilities, and then you

realize, OK, I--

I can't believe any of this stuff I was told,

and it completely changes you.

- OK, Tom, let's see what it tastes like.

- I wish I could, like, you know, be in Tami's life

in a non-acting way.

I wish I didn't have to lie to her.

You know what I mean?

In another world, I wouldn't have to lie to her.

- It's not my job to tell you the truth.

[laughs]

- It was definitely his job to tell the truth.

He was-- he was telling his story, and it was a lie,

and it was making people react in a certain way

and do things for him.

I understand they were telling it for a reason,

but it's still wrong.

- Kyle took the fall for everything

at the end, even my anger.

But there's so much more to blame,

including the U.S. medical system

that had Roen misdiagnosed.

They needed help, and I helped them,

and I think we all want to help people, right?

And some people go out of their way more than others.

- Tami was the one who proactively worked and worked

and worked in making sure that he

got institutionalized before he starved himself to death.

I'm so grateful to Tami.

Thank you, Tami, so much.

You are a hero.

You saved our son's life.

♪ ♪

- What finally makes a man, I think

it makes a man when he knows and discovers truth,

and when he's got the common sense to know right from wrong.

And I don't think these two are there yet.

They may never be.

♪ ♪

- The great thing about story, doesn't

so much matter if it's true.

It matters how it affects people,

and it matters how it affects you.

Makes you think, well, what's possible?

Oh my gosh, is this guy right?

Are they gonna force me to eat hamburgers and all that?

And I'm a fruitarian at the time.

And that was terrifying.

You know, just because it's a story doesn't mean it has

to be an imaginary fiction.

- OK, get up and--

- We could make that reality.

Truth, it's secondary to survival.

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It still feels that way.

[machines beeping]

[airplane engine roaring]

[phone rings]

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