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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,310 --> 00:00:09,444 - There's a movie about a caveman. 2 00:00:11,707 --> 00:00:13,076 I think Brendan Fraser is in this movie. 3 00:00:13,100 --> 00:00:16,494 And he was frozen at one point. 4 00:00:18,583 --> 00:00:21,804 - They found him in an ice block. 5 00:00:21,891 --> 00:00:24,981 And the movie is they dethaw him, 6 00:00:25,112 --> 00:00:27,984 and he has to be integrated into normal society. 7 00:00:31,248 --> 00:00:33,990 And in some ways, I felt on that level. 8 00:00:36,384 --> 00:00:40,388 Me and my brother, we grew up off the grid. 9 00:00:40,518 --> 00:00:44,348 - We lived pretty isolated in a cabin out in the woods. 10 00:00:46,350 --> 00:00:51,660 - We didn't have exposure to the outside world... 11 00:00:51,747 --> 00:00:53,836 and, like, I want more. 12 00:00:53,923 --> 00:00:55,490 I want more. 13 00:00:55,577 --> 00:00:57,231 - They were dubbed the Wild Boys... 14 00:00:57,318 --> 00:00:58,710 - The so-called Wild Boys. 15 00:00:58,797 --> 00:01:00,079 - after they caught the country's attention 16 00:01:00,103 --> 00:01:02,540 with an unbelievable tale. 17 00:01:02,584 --> 00:01:04,455 - They definitely weren't like my children 18 00:01:04,542 --> 00:01:06,805 or any teenagers or young adults 19 00:01:06,849 --> 00:01:09,373 that I've been in contact with. 20 00:01:09,460 --> 00:01:11,506 - The community was a little on edge 21 00:01:11,593 --> 00:01:15,727 when two strangers showed up unexpectedly at our doorstop. 22 00:01:18,687 --> 00:01:21,298 - Who are these guys? Why are they here? 23 00:01:21,385 --> 00:01:25,476 - It was my job to get to the bottom of it. 24 00:01:25,607 --> 00:01:27,739 - I'm thinking I might be aiding and abetting people 25 00:01:27,826 --> 00:01:29,654 who I really shouldn't be, right? 26 00:01:29,741 --> 00:01:32,092 - I do believe them. 27 00:01:32,179 --> 00:01:34,050 I mean, I don't know what to believe. 28 00:01:34,137 --> 00:01:36,008 - All these people are looking at me, 29 00:01:36,051 --> 00:01:41,057 deciding whether or not they can trust me and my story. 30 00:01:41,101 --> 00:01:44,015 I'm thinking whether I should trust them and their story 31 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:47,063 of why society is so great. 32 00:01:51,981 --> 00:01:53,896 Go to work, and get your rent. 33 00:01:54,026 --> 00:01:56,203 You'll die one day and end up in the cemetery. 34 00:01:56,289 --> 00:01:57,789 But that's good. That's how it should be. 35 00:01:57,813 --> 00:02:00,076 I'm like, no, it sucks. 36 00:02:00,163 --> 00:02:01,243 I don't want your cemetery. 37 00:02:01,295 --> 00:02:04,515 I don't want your normal life. 38 00:02:23,317 --> 00:02:28,235 - In 2003, Vernon was a small town frozen in time. 39 00:02:31,499 --> 00:02:35,024 The best analogy might be it was an AM radio station 40 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:36,721 in an FM stereo world. 41 00:02:40,986 --> 00:02:43,641 We couldn't get national media to pay attention to Vernon 42 00:02:43,685 --> 00:02:47,428 on its best day, but it was a great place 43 00:02:47,471 --> 00:02:50,430 to visit and an even better place to live. 44 00:02:53,869 --> 00:02:56,611 - It's a small town, 45 00:02:56,741 --> 00:03:00,049 but you go 2 kilometers in any direction out of town, 46 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:01,485 you're in the wilderness. 47 00:03:01,572 --> 00:03:04,706 You are in the primeval wilderness. 48 00:03:10,494 --> 00:03:12,061 - The people are friendly. 49 00:03:12,148 --> 00:03:13,256 You go down to the grocery store, 50 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,020 and you run into a dozen people who 51 00:03:15,107 --> 00:03:17,284 know you by your first name. 52 00:03:17,371 --> 00:03:19,851 And as Canadians, there's a tendency 53 00:03:19,938 --> 00:03:22,419 to help your neighbor and your fellow man. 54 00:03:26,162 --> 00:03:30,297 But at the end of that summer, these two rough kids, 55 00:03:30,384 --> 00:03:32,560 you know, popped up on our radar. 56 00:03:39,697 --> 00:03:42,613 - My husband would say I'm the type of person that just... 57 00:03:42,744 --> 00:03:45,050 when I see something that needs to be done, I get it done. 58 00:03:45,137 --> 00:03:46,008 And I'm not going to wait around 59 00:03:46,095 --> 00:03:48,184 for other people to do it. 60 00:03:51,970 --> 00:03:56,453 Back in 2003, I was 34. 61 00:03:56,540 --> 00:03:58,454 My kids were my main focus, 62 00:03:58,542 --> 00:04:03,068 so I was always helping out in the classrooms. 63 00:04:03,155 --> 00:04:06,158 My kids' school was near the library. 64 00:04:06,246 --> 00:04:08,900 That's where I first saw the boys. 65 00:04:12,382 --> 00:04:14,732 They caught my eye. 66 00:04:16,298 --> 00:04:19,649 The younger one was extremely thin 67 00:04:19,737 --> 00:04:22,392 and looked sick. 68 00:04:22,436 --> 00:04:25,265 And he was just following behind the older one. 69 00:04:27,615 --> 00:04:30,618 I remember thinking something was wrong. 70 00:04:30,748 --> 00:04:34,186 You'd look. You'd take a second look. 71 00:04:35,275 --> 00:04:39,844 I just couldn't get them out of my head. 72 00:04:39,931 --> 00:04:41,672 Like, what was that that I saw? 73 00:04:41,803 --> 00:04:44,066 It was so foreign. And it was a young child. 74 00:04:44,153 --> 00:04:46,073 I started thinking, like, where'd they come from? 75 00:04:46,198 --> 00:04:48,549 Like, what's their story? 76 00:04:48,636 --> 00:04:53,683 So I made it my mission to find these boys and help them. 77 00:04:56,861 --> 00:05:00,038 It's a small enough town that you could talk to a few people 78 00:05:00,169 --> 00:05:03,172 and someone would know. 79 00:05:03,259 --> 00:05:06,915 Somebody said they're living near Kal's store. 80 00:05:07,045 --> 00:05:11,006 So I asked the store owners if they'd seen these two guys. 81 00:05:11,093 --> 00:05:13,878 And they knew right away who I was talking about. 82 00:05:13,965 --> 00:05:16,359 - It looked like another... how do you say it? 83 00:05:16,446 --> 00:05:18,013 Alien. -Almost like an alien. 84 00:05:18,143 --> 00:05:20,407 - Yeah. 85 00:05:20,494 --> 00:05:22,757 - They said, oh, they're living behind the store 86 00:05:22,887 --> 00:05:25,412 in a tent, 87 00:05:25,499 --> 00:05:29,546 said they come in and use the payphone a lot. 88 00:05:29,633 --> 00:05:31,156 - I remember them using the phone, 89 00:05:31,243 --> 00:05:35,030 and they were getting a real chuckle out of that. 90 00:05:37,119 --> 00:05:40,514 - So I left quarters in an envelope 91 00:05:40,601 --> 00:05:42,951 with my phone number. 92 00:05:43,038 --> 00:05:45,214 I said, I can help you if you need help. 93 00:05:45,301 --> 00:05:47,216 And I didn't expect them to call me right away. 94 00:05:47,303 --> 00:05:49,957 It was quite soon. 95 00:05:50,045 --> 00:05:53,440 The older one was the only one that spoke. 96 00:05:57,008 --> 00:05:59,141 - Hello? 97 00:05:59,228 --> 00:06:01,099 Who is this? 98 00:06:01,143 --> 00:06:04,233 - He was very quiet, subdued. 99 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,149 - My name is Tom. I got your note. 100 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,369 - So that was strange too, right, 101 00:06:09,456 --> 00:06:13,329 for young people to be like that. 102 00:06:13,460 --> 00:06:15,679 I was like, hey, this sounds strange. 103 00:06:15,766 --> 00:06:18,813 You don't know me. I'm just a community member. 104 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:20,380 And I wanted to reach out and see 105 00:06:20,510 --> 00:06:22,947 if I can offer any assistance. 106 00:06:24,862 --> 00:06:27,387 And they right away said, yes. We'd love your help. 107 00:06:31,826 --> 00:06:33,610 So we met. 108 00:06:33,697 --> 00:06:35,395 I brought them food. 109 00:06:38,572 --> 00:06:40,704 And they, you know, were very thankful. 110 00:06:40,791 --> 00:06:43,838 But they didn't want any junk food, chips, 111 00:06:43,925 --> 00:06:47,058 nothing that teens would eat. 112 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:52,803 They were both painfully shy. 113 00:06:52,933 --> 00:06:57,982 The younger boy was a young teenager, 15, 16. 114 00:06:58,069 --> 00:07:00,158 And he just seemed so thin. 115 00:07:00,245 --> 00:07:03,466 And you know, his cheekbones, you could see them. 116 00:07:04,902 --> 00:07:09,124 It was really shocking. 117 00:07:09,211 --> 00:07:14,303 And then the other one seemed to be early 20s. 118 00:07:14,390 --> 00:07:18,220 You know, your mind goes to is there something else going on? 119 00:07:18,307 --> 00:07:20,004 Is he being deprived of food? 120 00:07:20,135 --> 00:07:22,442 Maybe they're in some sort of cult or something. 121 00:07:26,358 --> 00:07:29,449 And I just said, I want to help them. 122 00:07:29,579 --> 00:07:32,974 And that's when they started to tell me their story. 123 00:07:48,076 --> 00:07:50,426 My name is Tom Green. 124 00:07:50,513 --> 00:07:54,125 I was born and raised in the wilderness of Canada, 125 00:07:54,212 --> 00:07:55,692 up near Revelstoke. 126 00:07:55,779 --> 00:07:57,999 That's up north of Vernon. 127 00:08:03,004 --> 00:08:06,834 My mom and dad and my younger brother, 128 00:08:06,921 --> 00:08:09,880 we grew up off-grid in a cabin. 129 00:08:15,756 --> 00:08:20,325 It was a very peaceful way to grow up, 130 00:08:20,412 --> 00:08:24,852 completely separate from the rest of society. 131 00:08:33,861 --> 00:08:39,256 - My name is Will Green, and I was raised in the forest. 132 00:08:47,048 --> 00:08:50,268 Our parents taught us the story of Neverland, 133 00:08:50,355 --> 00:08:54,142 where it's literally about 134 00:08:54,229 --> 00:08:57,711 never getting old, 135 00:08:57,798 --> 00:09:01,062 that that's possible. 136 00:09:01,105 --> 00:09:04,282 It's very powerful because Neverland 137 00:09:04,413 --> 00:09:09,461 inspires us to be very childlike... 138 00:09:09,549 --> 00:09:12,769 to maintain it, to not lose it. 139 00:09:18,035 --> 00:09:22,736 Life in the woods, for a while, 140 00:09:22,823 --> 00:09:26,522 it was just beautiful. 141 00:09:32,659 --> 00:09:36,663 - They'd never been to school, 142 00:09:36,793 --> 00:09:38,708 never been to a doctor. 143 00:09:42,146 --> 00:09:43,626 - There was something different there. 144 00:09:43,670 --> 00:09:45,540 They definitely weren't like my children 145 00:09:45,672 --> 00:09:47,499 or any teenagers or young adults 146 00:09:47,630 --> 00:09:49,589 that I've been in contact with. 147 00:09:49,719 --> 00:09:51,460 They're not socialized like a lot of us. 148 00:09:51,591 --> 00:09:54,289 And I could tell by that. 149 00:09:59,816 --> 00:10:02,471 - Just because somebody tells you something, 150 00:10:02,558 --> 00:10:05,779 that doesn't mean it's real. 151 00:10:05,866 --> 00:10:07,955 I need fact. 152 00:10:07,998 --> 00:10:11,828 As soon as the story started bubbling, 153 00:10:11,915 --> 00:10:14,788 the first thing that came to my mind 154 00:10:14,875 --> 00:10:17,355 was, OK, number one, who are these people? 155 00:10:17,399 --> 00:10:19,270 Why are they in Vernon? 156 00:10:19,357 --> 00:10:21,379 And then the natural thing is, what are they hiding from? 157 00:10:21,403 --> 00:10:23,274 Who are they hiding from? 158 00:10:23,361 --> 00:10:25,494 - For months, no one knew they were here, 159 00:10:25,625 --> 00:10:27,496 two mysterious brothers 160 00:10:27,583 --> 00:10:30,064 living on the outskirts of Vernon. 161 00:10:31,718 --> 00:10:33,850 - There was two things going on. 162 00:10:33,981 --> 00:10:36,636 One was finding out who they were and where they're from. 163 00:10:36,723 --> 00:10:38,681 And then there was a group of people, 164 00:10:38,725 --> 00:10:40,509 including myself, that were advocating 165 00:10:40,596 --> 00:10:44,556 for them to get help first. 166 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:45,969 It's just, you know, on the ground, 167 00:10:45,993 --> 00:10:47,777 trying to get everything for these guys 168 00:10:47,864 --> 00:10:50,737 and organized... housing, food, clothing. 169 00:10:53,740 --> 00:10:55,306 It was quite a lot of money. 170 00:10:55,393 --> 00:10:57,352 And there was a lot of people upset with that. 171 00:10:57,439 --> 00:10:59,310 - Their story is the talk of the town, 172 00:10:59,397 --> 00:11:01,791 but not everyone is buying it. 173 00:11:01,878 --> 00:11:04,576 - Scammer. Yeah, they're a scammer. Yeah. 174 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:06,317 - It seems a bit suspicious to me. 175 00:11:06,404 --> 00:11:08,972 I don't know how come 176 00:11:09,059 --> 00:11:11,322 they haven't been seen by other people, and... 177 00:11:11,409 --> 00:11:13,890 - It's a little bit suspicious, maybe, maybe. 178 00:11:13,977 --> 00:11:16,023 But on the other hand, maybe it's true. 179 00:11:16,066 --> 00:11:17,906 - I remember Tami saying at one point, I think, 180 00:11:17,981 --> 00:11:20,027 that, like, hey, people don't even know 181 00:11:20,157 --> 00:11:21,681 for sure that you're really brothers. 182 00:11:21,768 --> 00:11:23,770 - So do you believe their story? 183 00:11:25,467 --> 00:11:27,338 I don't know. 184 00:11:27,425 --> 00:11:30,298 I couldn't tell you on that one. 185 00:11:30,385 --> 00:11:34,606 - Prior to the boys arriving, the community had gone through 186 00:11:34,650 --> 00:11:37,697 a number of gang-related murders, 187 00:11:37,784 --> 00:11:39,699 and it caused a lot of tension, 188 00:11:39,829 --> 00:11:42,266 a lot of anxiety in the community. 189 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:47,141 People started feeling unsafe. 190 00:11:50,448 --> 00:11:54,017 - There was a definite split in the community 191 00:11:54,104 --> 00:11:57,194 as to whether the boys were telling the truth or not. 192 00:11:57,238 --> 00:11:59,414 And I sat down with the Inspector Kolibaba, 193 00:11:59,457 --> 00:12:02,722 and we had a really frank conversation about, 194 00:12:02,809 --> 00:12:05,333 is this real? 195 00:12:08,902 --> 00:12:11,252 In the '70s, Americans coming north of the border 196 00:12:11,382 --> 00:12:13,167 to dodge the Vietnam War 197 00:12:13,254 --> 00:12:16,170 often settled in the surrounding area. 198 00:12:16,257 --> 00:12:20,348 So if a young man in his early 20s had decided 199 00:12:20,435 --> 00:12:23,481 to cross the border and go off the grid 200 00:12:23,525 --> 00:12:27,616 in an attempt to avoid deportation... 201 00:12:27,703 --> 00:12:30,924 in theory, it was possible that two kids 202 00:12:31,054 --> 00:12:34,884 had lived completely unplugged from civilization. 203 00:12:39,106 --> 00:12:43,197 - They'd lived in secrecy for all those years, 204 00:12:43,284 --> 00:12:46,678 and they didn't want to expose their parents, I guess. 205 00:12:46,766 --> 00:12:48,166 - Does that seem far-fetched to you? 206 00:12:48,202 --> 00:12:49,769 -No. No, not really. -No. 207 00:12:49,856 --> 00:12:51,268 - Do you really think that happens up here? 208 00:12:51,292 --> 00:12:52,835 - I actually grew up up north, so I know it can happen. 209 00:12:52,859 --> 00:12:54,469 - Yeah, I believe what they're saying. 210 00:12:54,512 --> 00:12:55,925 I don't see anything wrong with that. 211 00:12:55,949 --> 00:12:57,404 I think it's unique that we have people that 212 00:12:57,428 --> 00:12:58,797 are a little bit different for a change, 213 00:12:58,821 --> 00:13:00,736 parents who are in hiding. 214 00:13:00,780 --> 00:13:03,217 And the world doesn't have to know what's going on. 215 00:13:10,746 --> 00:13:13,836 - We lived pretty isolated. 216 00:13:15,577 --> 00:13:17,666 Part of you always knows, 217 00:13:17,753 --> 00:13:20,103 yeah, there's this whole other world out there. 218 00:13:20,190 --> 00:13:22,540 And if I wanted to, I could become part of that. 219 00:13:25,630 --> 00:13:28,285 You wonder, am I going to join them one day? 220 00:13:28,372 --> 00:13:30,287 Or am I going to continue living out 221 00:13:30,374 --> 00:13:32,550 my whole life out here? 222 00:13:35,466 --> 00:13:37,947 - At first, when I arrived at Vernon, I was afraid. 223 00:13:38,034 --> 00:13:41,516 I was fearful all the time. 224 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,737 I was suspicious of society. 225 00:13:45,868 --> 00:13:47,739 The way we grew up, 226 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:50,394 there's a feeling that people are dangerous. 227 00:13:52,962 --> 00:13:56,096 - They kept things close to their chest. 228 00:13:56,139 --> 00:13:57,837 I didn't really know, like, 229 00:13:57,967 --> 00:14:00,927 were they fleeing from an abusive situation? 230 00:14:03,016 --> 00:14:04,515 I didn't ask them a lot of questions at the time 231 00:14:04,539 --> 00:14:06,323 because I didn't want to scare them off. 232 00:14:09,065 --> 00:14:11,067 I was thinking they just needed help 233 00:14:11,154 --> 00:14:13,940 with food and shelter. 234 00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:19,423 - Tami was a resourceful person, 235 00:14:19,554 --> 00:14:23,558 and she found a way to get us a place to stay. 236 00:14:25,995 --> 00:14:29,042 - There was a hostel in town. 237 00:14:29,129 --> 00:14:30,739 I knew it was just a really nice vibe. 238 00:14:30,782 --> 00:14:32,219 It was good energy. 239 00:14:32,349 --> 00:14:36,876 And they moved upstairs into a room. 240 00:14:36,963 --> 00:14:40,096 I brought my blow dryer and shampoo. 241 00:14:41,663 --> 00:14:45,101 Will was kind of fighting me on the shower thing. 242 00:14:45,232 --> 00:14:47,887 And I thought, is he scared of the shower or hot water? 243 00:14:47,974 --> 00:14:49,540 What's wrong? 244 00:14:49,627 --> 00:14:52,282 And then he absolutely did not want me to blow dry his hair 245 00:14:52,413 --> 00:14:55,111 and said that the noise bothered him or something. 246 00:14:55,198 --> 00:14:57,418 - My ears started to literally, like, 247 00:14:57,548 --> 00:14:59,507 feel like they're going to explode. 248 00:14:59,550 --> 00:15:02,466 - With all these details and idiosyncrasies, in my mind, 249 00:15:02,553 --> 00:15:06,383 I'm thinking, clearly they did not live a normal life. 250 00:15:08,342 --> 00:15:10,910 - The hostel was really perfect. 251 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,565 You know, they had a computer that anyone there could use. 252 00:15:18,047 --> 00:15:22,008 And that was a crazy experience. 253 00:15:22,051 --> 00:15:25,576 Growing up, you know, computer, TV, 254 00:15:25,663 --> 00:15:28,057 we didn't have any of that stuff. 255 00:15:32,453 --> 00:15:36,848 Tami was taking care of so much on our behalf 256 00:15:36,936 --> 00:15:39,460 and helping us integrate into society. 257 00:15:42,463 --> 00:15:44,639 She accepted us like we're family 258 00:15:44,769 --> 00:15:47,163 and just led us into her home. 259 00:15:47,250 --> 00:15:50,079 ♪ Happy birthday, dear Tom ♪ 260 00:15:50,165 --> 00:15:54,518 ♪ Happy birthday to you ♪ 261 00:15:54,649 --> 00:15:56,049 - Birthday boy gets the first piece. 262 00:15:56,129 --> 00:15:58,392 - I remember, it was Tom's birthday, 263 00:15:58,479 --> 00:16:00,263 so we got him a cake. 264 00:16:00,350 --> 00:16:01,937 - OK, Tom, let's see what it tastes like. 265 00:16:01,961 --> 00:16:03,875 - Oh, don't do that to the poor guy. 266 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:05,355 He's going to have to fake it. 267 00:16:05,486 --> 00:16:07,286 - They may have had maybe a taste of the cake, 268 00:16:07,314 --> 00:16:10,534 but they weren't eating the cake, that's for sure. 269 00:16:17,498 --> 00:16:20,457 It was kind of an excitement to be able to, 270 00:16:20,544 --> 00:16:24,679 you know, introduce them to these things that are "normal." 271 00:16:24,809 --> 00:16:26,550 My kids really liked them. 272 00:16:26,681 --> 00:16:31,425 And, you know, you just go by what your kids think. 273 00:16:31,512 --> 00:16:33,340 Will related to them more. 274 00:16:33,427 --> 00:16:36,212 And that's where he kind of opened up more. 275 00:16:36,299 --> 00:16:40,912 - Tami and her family were adopting me a bit. 276 00:16:40,956 --> 00:16:42,871 She was just filled with compassion, 277 00:16:42,914 --> 00:16:46,570 empathetic, sensitive. 278 00:16:46,701 --> 00:16:49,573 She really cared. 279 00:16:49,704 --> 00:16:53,229 I felt loved, yeah, to be part of other people's family, 280 00:16:53,316 --> 00:16:55,144 when you're missing your own family, 281 00:16:55,231 --> 00:16:57,712 because I was missing my family. 282 00:17:15,338 --> 00:17:18,602 - There are people that choose to live off the grid, OK? 283 00:17:18,689 --> 00:17:22,693 Their story, it's plausible. 284 00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:27,133 But the community was responding with emotion. 285 00:17:27,220 --> 00:17:32,138 We needed, as police, to respond with reason. 286 00:17:32,181 --> 00:17:34,836 We didn't know who they were. 287 00:17:34,923 --> 00:17:38,448 Are they dangerous? Did they commit crimes? 288 00:17:38,579 --> 00:17:41,843 And that's when I assigned Corporal Henry Proce 289 00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:44,802 to find out what was going on. 290 00:17:44,846 --> 00:17:46,543 - I would have to admit, 291 00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:50,504 I like being in a position of authority, which is nice, 292 00:17:50,591 --> 00:17:52,201 as a police officer. 293 00:17:52,245 --> 00:17:54,682 I like solving crime. I love this job. 294 00:17:57,902 --> 00:18:01,297 Inspector Kolibaba dropped the file on my desk 295 00:18:01,384 --> 00:18:03,343 because I was the media relations officer, 296 00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:05,780 and people wanted answers. 297 00:18:05,823 --> 00:18:07,347 We're going to do some investigation, 298 00:18:07,434 --> 00:18:09,566 try and determine the background of the two males, 299 00:18:09,653 --> 00:18:12,091 where they're from, this sort of thing, their identity. 300 00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:18,967 We had the names, Tom and Will Green. 301 00:18:19,054 --> 00:18:21,187 I did run them through our various systems. 302 00:18:21,317 --> 00:18:24,538 And nothing came up whatsoever. 303 00:18:24,625 --> 00:18:26,409 There's no record of these boys being born 304 00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:27,628 within British Columbia. 305 00:18:27,758 --> 00:18:29,238 There's no record of their parents. 306 00:18:29,282 --> 00:18:30,868 There's no driving records, criminal records, 307 00:18:30,892 --> 00:18:32,807 nothing tangible, nothing concrete 308 00:18:32,894 --> 00:18:35,418 that we could follow up on. 309 00:18:35,505 --> 00:18:37,116 At that point, I'd been a police officer 310 00:18:37,246 --> 00:18:40,641 for almost 30 years, so I'm somewhat cynical. 311 00:18:40,728 --> 00:18:44,993 And if I say something is too far-fetched, it usually is. 312 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,389 I thought, OK, these guys are lying from start to finish. 313 00:18:49,476 --> 00:18:53,610 And it was my job to get to the bottom of it. 314 00:19:03,925 --> 00:19:06,232 - At that point, they hadn't committed any offenses. 315 00:19:06,319 --> 00:19:08,886 They were not arrestable. 316 00:19:09,017 --> 00:19:10,888 So now we go talk to them. 317 00:19:10,975 --> 00:19:14,196 Now we interview them, and we see what's really going on. 318 00:19:14,283 --> 00:19:15,806 And that was the plan. 319 00:19:24,554 --> 00:19:26,513 - When you grow up living off the grid, 320 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,776 isolated from the rest of society, 321 00:19:28,819 --> 00:19:32,475 you don't have police. 322 00:19:32,562 --> 00:19:34,390 You don't have people above you, 323 00:19:34,477 --> 00:19:38,351 telling you what you can do. 324 00:19:38,394 --> 00:19:41,441 So when Proce came by the hostel, 325 00:19:41,528 --> 00:19:45,532 it was our first interaction with authorities. 326 00:19:46,794 --> 00:19:50,145 It was clear to me that he didn't believe us. 327 00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:51,581 So he was trying to intimidate me, 328 00:19:51,625 --> 00:19:54,410 you know, trying to get more information out of me. 329 00:19:54,541 --> 00:19:56,630 I guess that's what police do. 330 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:02,940 - I don't think that kind of confrontation happened. 331 00:20:04,551 --> 00:20:06,379 I mean, we're professional. 332 00:20:06,509 --> 00:20:10,383 We have integrity. We're very thorough. 333 00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:13,081 - I was answering all his questions. 334 00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:17,738 And the details that we gave were just the truth. 335 00:20:19,957 --> 00:20:20,957 - Who are you? 336 00:20:21,002 --> 00:20:22,917 - My name is Tom Green. 337 00:20:23,004 --> 00:20:24,484 - Where are you really from? 338 00:20:24,571 --> 00:20:27,313 - I was born in Canada, in the wilderness of Revelstoke. 339 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,184 - Why weren't they ever seen? 340 00:20:29,271 --> 00:20:31,534 - For starters, our house was covered up, 341 00:20:31,621 --> 00:20:33,667 so you couldn't even see it from overhead. 342 00:20:33,797 --> 00:20:35,321 That was all intentional. 343 00:20:35,451 --> 00:20:36,646 So if there's helicopters flying around, 344 00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:38,237 they wouldn't see it. 345 00:20:38,324 --> 00:20:41,109 You're far out there. You're in nature, for sure. 346 00:20:41,196 --> 00:20:42,719 - What are you doing here? 347 00:20:42,806 --> 00:20:45,418 Why are you taking advantage of these people? 348 00:20:45,505 --> 00:20:48,421 - He definitely was having trouble even understanding 349 00:20:48,464 --> 00:20:50,466 what I meant by things 350 00:20:50,553 --> 00:20:53,861 because I would answer his questions so precisely. 351 00:20:53,948 --> 00:20:57,604 Like, he was frustrated by my answers, I could tell. 352 00:20:57,691 --> 00:21:02,348 - And then when they said their parents were Mary and Joseph, 353 00:21:02,435 --> 00:21:05,351 I thought, this is going nowhere. 354 00:21:07,309 --> 00:21:09,529 - I was just telling the truth. 355 00:21:09,616 --> 00:21:11,705 That's their job to identify people. 356 00:21:11,835 --> 00:21:14,795 If they don't know who we are, that's on them. 357 00:21:14,882 --> 00:21:18,320 - They were not very cooperative. 358 00:21:18,364 --> 00:21:21,541 And you can't force a person to cooperate with you, obviously. 359 00:21:24,326 --> 00:21:26,110 But I can't remember the younger one 360 00:21:26,197 --> 00:21:28,112 saying almost anything. 361 00:21:28,156 --> 00:21:30,811 Like, he was so quiet. 362 00:21:30,898 --> 00:21:34,945 And he would just nod and look at his brother. 363 00:21:35,032 --> 00:21:39,123 That was a concern, that he was that young, 364 00:21:39,254 --> 00:21:41,254 being supervised and under the care of his brother, 365 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:43,780 who did all the talking. 366 00:21:46,392 --> 00:21:48,524 The only thing that we knew 367 00:21:48,611 --> 00:21:51,875 was that he had this ridiculous diet. 368 00:21:54,835 --> 00:21:58,534 He would not eat anything that involved killing the plant. 369 00:21:58,621 --> 00:21:59,970 So you couldn't eat a carrot 370 00:22:00,057 --> 00:22:02,582 because you got to pull it out of the ground. 371 00:22:02,712 --> 00:22:04,540 - With Will, it was like more avocados, 372 00:22:04,671 --> 00:22:08,762 more vegetables, more fruits, but nothing else. 373 00:22:08,849 --> 00:22:11,852 - As the weeks went by, he was losing weight, 374 00:22:11,939 --> 00:22:15,551 and he was getting thinner and thinner. 375 00:22:15,638 --> 00:22:18,467 - He was so malnourished, 376 00:22:18,554 --> 00:22:22,123 very low energy, speaking very monotone, 377 00:22:22,166 --> 00:22:24,865 just not like a regular teenager. 378 00:22:28,564 --> 00:22:29,783 In my mind, it was almost like 379 00:22:29,913 --> 00:22:33,961 Tom was the one feeding him all this stuff. 380 00:22:34,091 --> 00:22:38,008 And that's what I thought was happening. 381 00:22:38,095 --> 00:22:40,097 It seemed like Tom was controlling 382 00:22:40,184 --> 00:22:43,710 what he said and didn't say. 383 00:22:43,797 --> 00:22:46,321 And the more and more I hung out with them, 384 00:22:46,452 --> 00:22:50,325 the more firm he became. 385 00:22:50,412 --> 00:22:53,372 - I kept telling her, you know, he was in control. 386 00:22:53,459 --> 00:22:55,809 Will's choosing to eat that way for now 387 00:22:55,896 --> 00:22:59,900 because he believed that was the right way for him. 388 00:22:59,987 --> 00:23:02,032 - We butted heads on that a lot 389 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,340 because Will was just a kid, 390 00:23:05,427 --> 00:23:08,648 and Tom was very nonchalant about it. 391 00:23:10,476 --> 00:23:12,303 Was Tom part of why he's so skinny? 392 00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:15,394 I just wasn't sure. 393 00:23:20,007 --> 00:23:25,186 - Growing up, our parents, they would go and hunt. 394 00:23:25,316 --> 00:23:28,624 And so we ate meat. 395 00:23:28,711 --> 00:23:34,151 - There was a stream close by for water. 396 00:23:34,238 --> 00:23:36,415 We would supplement our diet with things like fish. 397 00:23:36,545 --> 00:23:38,765 We would fish. 398 00:23:38,852 --> 00:23:41,550 But at some point, I remember I was telling my parents, 399 00:23:41,637 --> 00:23:45,336 like, look, I don't want to be eating meat in general. 400 00:23:45,467 --> 00:23:49,558 I really started to just be hyper-obsessed with health. 401 00:23:49,645 --> 00:23:54,781 I decided to become a fruitarian and just eat fruit. 402 00:23:54,868 --> 00:23:57,218 My mom and dad would just fight with me 403 00:23:57,305 --> 00:23:58,698 all the time about that. 404 00:23:58,785 --> 00:24:01,918 And they didn't give me the option. 405 00:24:02,049 --> 00:24:05,487 You know, they didn't know what to do with us. 406 00:24:05,618 --> 00:24:08,795 - We wanted to pursue our vegan diet. 407 00:24:08,882 --> 00:24:12,015 But it's just not... 408 00:24:12,102 --> 00:24:13,582 it's not how it's done out there. 409 00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:17,020 So that's why we had to go. 410 00:24:35,691 --> 00:24:37,998 At the same time, 411 00:24:38,085 --> 00:24:40,522 I was saying to Tami, hey, um, 412 00:24:40,566 --> 00:24:42,655 you know, I'm willing to work. 413 00:24:42,742 --> 00:24:45,832 Can you get me help so I can just get a job? 414 00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:47,244 We didn't have, like, birth certificates. 415 00:24:47,268 --> 00:24:50,445 We didn't have IDs. 416 00:24:50,532 --> 00:24:54,580 It all came down to getting identified. 417 00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:57,147 - I was panicking because I thought without ID, 418 00:24:57,278 --> 00:25:00,586 how are we going to help them to live independently? 419 00:25:03,153 --> 00:25:07,375 So at that point, I wanted to get their picture in the paper. 420 00:25:07,462 --> 00:25:09,377 - Tami said there was a local reporter 421 00:25:09,464 --> 00:25:12,598 who wanted to put out a little article on us. 422 00:25:12,641 --> 00:25:14,556 I thought, OK, just a local paper, anyway. 423 00:25:14,643 --> 00:25:16,471 It doesn't matter. 424 00:25:19,822 --> 00:25:23,173 - This is Tom Green, one of the so-called Bush Boys. 425 00:25:23,260 --> 00:25:25,959 The boys talked to the local Vernon newspaper 426 00:25:26,002 --> 00:25:28,265 in the hopes that someone would recognize them 427 00:25:28,352 --> 00:25:30,572 and help them confirm their identities. 428 00:25:30,703 --> 00:25:32,792 - Media coverage went Valley wide. 429 00:25:32,879 --> 00:25:35,751 CHBC-TV out of Kelowna started to get involved. 430 00:25:35,882 --> 00:25:38,014 BCTV showed up. 431 00:25:38,101 --> 00:25:40,166 - These two young men talked about living their entire lives 432 00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:42,018 in the bush. 433 00:25:42,105 --> 00:25:43,474 - That's a pretty bizarre story, don't you think? 434 00:25:43,498 --> 00:25:46,109 - Well, it is, but bizarre things happen. 435 00:25:46,196 --> 00:25:49,025 - I do remember it being on the news and going, 436 00:25:49,156 --> 00:25:52,333 oh, gosh, this is really going to a different level now. 437 00:25:52,463 --> 00:25:54,596 And I'm involved. 438 00:25:54,683 --> 00:25:56,816 And, you know, people are going to know I'm involved. 439 00:25:59,427 --> 00:26:02,343 - The story took on a life of its own. 440 00:26:02,430 --> 00:26:05,651 It became a media event. 441 00:26:08,044 --> 00:26:10,220 - Well, the old saying is, you know, 442 00:26:10,264 --> 00:26:11,918 no media is bad media. 443 00:26:12,005 --> 00:26:14,921 These two wild children appear in our community, 444 00:26:15,051 --> 00:26:18,011 and suddenly, everybody wants to talk to us. 445 00:26:18,141 --> 00:26:21,362 - I had a press briefing 446 00:26:21,449 --> 00:26:25,061 with television, radio, print media. 447 00:26:25,105 --> 00:26:29,457 I would meet weekly with them and updated them. 448 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:31,807 Most of the time, I just sort of said, I... 449 00:26:31,894 --> 00:26:34,549 we don't know, we just simply don't know. 450 00:26:36,812 --> 00:26:38,945 - You know, now, they're getting help, 451 00:26:39,032 --> 00:26:41,121 financial help, OK? 452 00:26:41,208 --> 00:26:43,993 Is it a scam? 453 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,536 - There was a community member that called me 454 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,302 in the middle of the night, 455 00:26:48,432 --> 00:26:51,044 drunk, freaking out, and basically accusing me 456 00:26:51,131 --> 00:26:55,614 of helping these boys who probably didn't need the help. 457 00:26:55,744 --> 00:26:59,052 She was just convinced they were lying. 458 00:27:01,663 --> 00:27:05,188 I remember just feeling a lot of pressure. 459 00:27:05,275 --> 00:27:07,930 Like, I don't know what to do. I'm just a mom. 460 00:27:09,976 --> 00:27:12,195 - This story raises far more questions 461 00:27:12,326 --> 00:27:14,197 than it offers answers. 462 00:27:14,328 --> 00:27:16,175 Perhaps that's because the community has squirreled away 463 00:27:16,199 --> 00:27:17,592 these two boys. 464 00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:19,222 They're being kept well away from the media. 465 00:27:19,246 --> 00:27:21,596 That is perhaps slowing any positive identification 466 00:27:21,683 --> 00:27:23,293 of who they might be. 467 00:27:23,337 --> 00:27:25,097 - Without hearing from either one of the two, 468 00:27:25,165 --> 00:27:27,994 it is impossible to verify any of the story. 469 00:27:28,124 --> 00:27:32,302 - They just flatly refused to speak to the press. 470 00:27:33,477 --> 00:27:36,916 - The media were really starting to hound everyone. 471 00:27:36,959 --> 00:27:41,137 So in my mind, I was wanting to protect the boys. 472 00:27:41,268 --> 00:27:44,880 I mean, I couldn't imagine the anxiety they would have had. 473 00:27:44,967 --> 00:27:46,795 - They were secluded in the hostel, 474 00:27:46,882 --> 00:27:49,450 and no one was getting near them. 475 00:27:49,537 --> 00:27:52,671 - At one point, Henry Proce knocked on the hostel door. 476 00:27:52,801 --> 00:27:57,197 And he said, you're here. Why are you here? 477 00:27:57,327 --> 00:27:59,547 That's when I realized, I think they need a lawyer. 478 00:28:02,158 --> 00:28:05,292 - I could never understand why they had to be lawyered up. 479 00:28:05,379 --> 00:28:08,948 Tami and the lawyer, you know, formed a team. 480 00:28:09,035 --> 00:28:12,778 And I was seen as on the other side. 481 00:28:12,821 --> 00:28:15,041 - Like, he wanted me basically to hand over the boys, 482 00:28:15,128 --> 00:28:18,000 I think, and let them talk. 483 00:28:18,044 --> 00:28:20,263 He was more black and white. "I want to know the facts. 484 00:28:20,394 --> 00:28:21,656 There's facts to this." 485 00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:24,180 And I was getting in the way of that 486 00:28:24,311 --> 00:28:26,313 and he didn't like that. 487 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,490 I didn't want them to get scared and flee, 488 00:28:29,577 --> 00:28:30,665 and then that's it. 489 00:28:30,709 --> 00:28:32,623 All this work was for nothing. 490 00:28:32,754 --> 00:28:34,776 - We could clear this whole matter up within a half hour 491 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,759 if they simply told us who their parents were, 492 00:28:37,803 --> 00:28:41,067 where they live, and how to get there. 493 00:28:41,154 --> 00:28:43,199 Maybe everything they're saying is true, 494 00:28:43,330 --> 00:28:45,549 and there's some cabin, you know, 495 00:28:45,636 --> 00:28:47,029 somewhere near Revelstoke, 496 00:28:47,116 --> 00:28:49,423 where their parents still hide underground, 497 00:28:49,553 --> 00:28:54,036 read National Geographics. 498 00:28:58,388 --> 00:29:02,523 - Tom and I would get into some arguments 499 00:29:02,610 --> 00:29:05,047 and me saying, you need to tell me more. 500 00:29:05,134 --> 00:29:07,454 Like, I can't help you unless you're more forthcoming here. 501 00:29:07,528 --> 00:29:09,530 And he just wouldn't. 502 00:29:12,185 --> 00:29:15,014 - They said, well, if you go talk to your parents, 503 00:29:15,057 --> 00:29:17,668 it would help lead me to be able to get an ID. 504 00:29:21,542 --> 00:29:24,414 And I said to her, anyone could possibly go take a dog 505 00:29:24,501 --> 00:29:26,416 and find out where I went and find them. 506 00:29:26,503 --> 00:29:29,115 I'm not going to do that. 507 00:29:29,202 --> 00:29:33,336 - It was all centered around this fear. 508 00:29:33,423 --> 00:29:35,619 They were really wanting to protect their parents' identity 509 00:29:35,643 --> 00:29:38,341 and where their parents lived. 510 00:29:38,428 --> 00:29:40,474 But I was like, I've done all this for you, 511 00:29:40,604 --> 00:29:42,128 and you're not giving me anything here. 512 00:29:42,258 --> 00:29:46,088 Like, I can't help you without ID or information. 513 00:29:46,175 --> 00:29:48,221 - She was just very serious about it. 514 00:29:48,264 --> 00:29:51,006 And after assessing the situation, 515 00:29:51,093 --> 00:29:54,227 I thought, like, it's a goodwill thing. 516 00:29:54,357 --> 00:29:55,924 Like, OK, if you go make this attempt, 517 00:29:56,011 --> 00:29:58,187 that's what they want to see. 518 00:30:05,716 --> 00:30:08,937 - We drove to Revelstoke. 519 00:30:09,068 --> 00:30:10,983 And they would say, OK, turn here. 520 00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:12,811 Turn there. 521 00:30:16,727 --> 00:30:20,296 I was a little nervous, right? 522 00:30:20,427 --> 00:30:21,820 I'm in the middle of the bush 523 00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:26,476 with these people that I really don't know. 524 00:30:32,004 --> 00:30:34,180 - And so I just said, OK, here's the spot. 525 00:30:34,267 --> 00:30:36,312 Pull over. I could get there from here. 526 00:30:43,232 --> 00:30:45,278 It was quite cold. 527 00:30:45,365 --> 00:30:46,908 And they said they would go talk to their parents, 528 00:30:46,932 --> 00:30:49,064 and they went in the bush and disappeared. 529 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,765 And I just started spinning at that point, 530 00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:56,004 being like, are they criminals? 531 00:30:56,028 --> 00:30:57,943 Like, are we in danger? 532 00:31:00,249 --> 00:31:01,598 In my mind, I'm like, oh, my gosh, 533 00:31:01,685 --> 00:31:02,730 they've been with my kids. 534 00:31:02,817 --> 00:31:04,906 You know, they know where I live. 535 00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:10,999 And also the family, like, 536 00:31:11,086 --> 00:31:13,045 how do I know they're not dangerous, right? 537 00:31:19,703 --> 00:31:23,098 - I was sitting in the car for what seemed like forever. 538 00:31:25,361 --> 00:31:26,710 You're a little nervous, right? 539 00:31:26,841 --> 00:31:28,930 Is Mary and Joseph going to come out here now? 540 00:31:29,061 --> 00:31:32,412 And I'm picturing them in these, like, religious cloaks. 541 00:31:39,549 --> 00:31:44,511 And then they came out by themselves... 542 00:31:44,641 --> 00:31:48,428 with no Mary and Joseph and no ID. 543 00:31:51,735 --> 00:31:54,086 - I went back. 544 00:31:54,129 --> 00:31:57,002 And I told them that, oh, yeah, I did talk to my parents, 545 00:31:57,089 --> 00:32:00,048 and they said, no, no, no, we can't give you anything, 546 00:32:00,092 --> 00:32:02,616 and don't come in, and go away. 547 00:32:02,703 --> 00:32:03,965 - It just didn't sit with me. 548 00:32:04,096 --> 00:32:05,551 And I kept questioning him and questioning him. 549 00:32:05,575 --> 00:32:07,099 I don't... I don't get it. 550 00:32:07,142 --> 00:32:09,231 You were so cold when we came back to get you, 551 00:32:09,275 --> 00:32:11,799 and if you hiked in an hour and back, 552 00:32:11,886 --> 00:32:13,235 that wouldn't have happened. 553 00:32:13,322 --> 00:32:15,455 And he said to me, I'm sorry. I had to lie to you. 554 00:32:19,633 --> 00:32:22,679 - She said, you didn't really go see your parents, did you? 555 00:32:22,766 --> 00:32:24,594 And I said, that's right. I didn't. 556 00:32:24,681 --> 00:32:26,292 So you admitted to that? 557 00:32:26,379 --> 00:32:28,120 - Yeah. 558 00:32:28,207 --> 00:32:30,949 I said, yeah, I'm not going to, you know, so there. 559 00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:32,559 I pretended to. I played along. 560 00:32:32,646 --> 00:32:34,300 I'm not going to go back. 561 00:32:34,387 --> 00:32:37,085 I'm not going to go compromise their location. 562 00:32:39,348 --> 00:32:41,326 - The fact that they were sent on this wild goose chase 563 00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:43,396 out to Revelstoke... 564 00:32:43,483 --> 00:32:45,026 I mean, I found out about it after the fact. 565 00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:46,703 It's not like they came to me and said, 566 00:32:46,790 --> 00:32:48,227 would this be a good idea? 567 00:32:48,314 --> 00:32:50,118 I would have said, no, it's a total waste of time 568 00:32:50,142 --> 00:32:52,579 because it's not going to happen. 569 00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:57,976 One of the first things I did was check out Revelstoke. 570 00:33:00,413 --> 00:33:04,460 And they had never heard of Tom or Will Green either. 571 00:33:08,464 --> 00:33:12,773 - No, I do believe... I do believe them that they... 572 00:33:12,816 --> 00:33:14,253 I mean, I don't believe... 573 00:33:14,383 --> 00:33:16,144 I don't know what to believe because just like 574 00:33:16,168 --> 00:33:18,431 everybody else, I don't have concrete facts. 575 00:33:21,390 --> 00:33:24,306 And on the way back, the lawyer's office called 576 00:33:24,393 --> 00:33:27,309 and said that the police were looking for us. 577 00:33:29,050 --> 00:33:31,400 And now, I'm thinking I might be 578 00:33:31,487 --> 00:33:33,509 aiding and abetting people who I really shouldn't be, right? 579 00:33:36,536 --> 00:33:40,279 - I was getting more and more frustrated. 580 00:33:40,366 --> 00:33:44,065 You know, we wanted to get to the bottom of it. 581 00:33:44,196 --> 00:33:45,608 I think what's going through your head first 582 00:33:45,632 --> 00:33:48,200 and foremost is, I don't want to screw this up. 583 00:33:51,072 --> 00:33:52,180 And I didn't want to screw it up. 584 00:33:52,204 --> 00:33:54,032 I didn't want to fail. 585 00:33:57,557 --> 00:33:59,428 - There was a sense of urgency, 586 00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:01,169 especially around the younger brother, 587 00:34:01,256 --> 00:34:03,171 because as time went on, 588 00:34:03,258 --> 00:34:06,174 it became apparent that he continued to lose weight. 589 00:34:06,218 --> 00:34:09,917 He continued to become more emaciated. 590 00:34:10,004 --> 00:34:12,266 There was a concern. 591 00:34:12,398 --> 00:34:16,793 What do we do as a community if he, God forbid, dies? 592 00:34:16,924 --> 00:34:19,447 - I was worried about Will 593 00:34:19,534 --> 00:34:21,710 because he was getting seriously worse and worse 594 00:34:21,755 --> 00:34:25,106 every day. 595 00:34:25,237 --> 00:34:29,023 - I just remember being, like, cold and, like, bony. 596 00:34:29,067 --> 00:34:32,157 So if you sit down, like, you gotta make sure it has padding, 597 00:34:32,244 --> 00:34:34,202 you know, like... 598 00:34:34,289 --> 00:34:35,420 Yeah, it's not good. 599 00:34:35,551 --> 00:34:38,250 It's not good to be that skinny. 600 00:34:38,380 --> 00:34:41,034 - We were always trying to encourage Will 601 00:34:41,166 --> 00:34:43,472 to get food to make him gain weight. 602 00:34:43,603 --> 00:34:46,344 He acted like we were going to make him eat these foods 603 00:34:46,431 --> 00:34:50,262 that were going to kill him. 604 00:34:50,349 --> 00:34:52,568 - Back then, I'm thinking, I will only eat something 605 00:34:52,655 --> 00:34:54,614 if I'm convinced it's good for my body. 606 00:35:00,489 --> 00:35:02,578 - I don't think the older brother, Tom, 607 00:35:02,665 --> 00:35:05,799 appreciated the seriousness of the situation, 608 00:35:05,886 --> 00:35:07,888 that his younger brother was slowly dying 609 00:35:07,975 --> 00:35:10,151 in front of his eyes. 610 00:35:10,282 --> 00:35:13,154 I think at that point, he was 85 pounds, 611 00:35:13,285 --> 00:35:15,852 a young man that was over 6 feet tall. 612 00:35:18,377 --> 00:35:20,335 - That was really scary. 613 00:35:20,422 --> 00:35:22,468 And it was just so frustrating because 614 00:35:22,555 --> 00:35:27,342 Tom still wasn't willing to get him help. 615 00:35:27,473 --> 00:35:30,954 So at that point, it was like, where do your loyalties lie? 616 00:35:33,261 --> 00:35:35,045 - Tami contacted me and said 617 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:37,700 the situation was getting dire. 618 00:35:37,787 --> 00:35:41,095 The lawyer couldn't help, and we had to do something. 619 00:35:44,316 --> 00:35:45,839 And Tami told me he's in the store. 620 00:35:45,882 --> 00:35:48,146 You should go get him. 621 00:35:55,457 --> 00:35:58,373 - That day, I walked to the health food store. 622 00:35:58,504 --> 00:36:02,682 I was buying oranges and all my fruit that I normally buy. 623 00:36:02,769 --> 00:36:05,075 - I approached him, told him he was 624 00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:06,923 being apprehended under the Mental Health Act 625 00:36:06,947 --> 00:36:09,471 of British Columbia. 626 00:36:09,558 --> 00:36:11,995 - He put me in cuffs and put me in, like, a freaking, 627 00:36:12,082 --> 00:36:15,216 you know, cop car. 628 00:36:15,347 --> 00:36:17,784 I just remember being intimidated and afraid. 629 00:36:19,612 --> 00:36:21,222 I thought they were just taking me 630 00:36:21,353 --> 00:36:23,355 for another interrogation or something. 631 00:36:23,442 --> 00:36:25,357 But then, like, somewhere along the line, 632 00:36:25,444 --> 00:36:27,010 in the car, in the cop car, 633 00:36:27,097 --> 00:36:29,274 I realized he was taking me to the hospital. 634 00:36:31,711 --> 00:36:35,584 So I'm thinking the worst of the worst at this point. 635 00:36:38,718 --> 00:36:41,503 You visualize things, 636 00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:43,897 like them literally forcing a tube down your throat. 637 00:36:46,856 --> 00:36:48,747 He was making comments that, like, made me think, oh, yeah, 638 00:36:48,771 --> 00:36:50,991 they're going to make you eat burgers and da da da da, 639 00:36:51,121 --> 00:36:53,776 like, you know, it's horrifying. 640 00:36:53,907 --> 00:36:56,562 - Maybe I said something to that effect. 641 00:36:56,649 --> 00:36:58,128 I don't deny it. 642 00:36:58,216 --> 00:37:00,305 I may have said, you need a cheeseburger. 643 00:37:00,392 --> 00:37:02,132 But I mean, I had empathy for him. 644 00:37:02,263 --> 00:37:04,613 I mean, he was suffering, 645 00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:07,921 and he did not have the common sense to do something about it. 646 00:37:14,144 --> 00:37:18,584 - They just decided, hey, you don't get freedom anymore. 647 00:37:18,671 --> 00:37:20,551 We're going to take it away because we love you. 648 00:37:20,586 --> 00:37:21,978 That's kidnapping. 649 00:37:24,894 --> 00:37:27,375 - The Mental Health Act is the act under which 650 00:37:27,506 --> 00:37:29,159 we can apprehend people who are a danger 651 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:31,379 to themselves or others. 652 00:37:31,466 --> 00:37:33,163 And in this case, he was a minor 653 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:37,167 and clearly a danger to himself. 654 00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:41,389 - There's a definite feeling of shame and guilt. 655 00:37:43,739 --> 00:37:45,132 They trusted me. 656 00:37:45,219 --> 00:37:47,743 So I felt like I betrayed them. 657 00:37:47,830 --> 00:37:49,354 But I knew that he needs help. 658 00:37:49,441 --> 00:37:52,052 And that's, you know, what I'm trying to do. 659 00:37:54,315 --> 00:37:56,274 - How serious is his condition? 660 00:37:56,361 --> 00:37:58,363 - Very serious. 661 00:37:58,406 --> 00:38:00,278 -Life-threatening? -Yes. 662 00:38:08,547 --> 00:38:11,767 - Back in 2004, I was a TV producer 663 00:38:11,898 --> 00:38:14,553 for an investigative program called "Disclosure." 664 00:38:17,730 --> 00:38:19,862 I remember, I was reading a newspaper, 665 00:38:19,949 --> 00:38:22,952 and that's where I saw the story. 666 00:38:23,083 --> 00:38:25,520 And it was a story of two young men, 667 00:38:25,651 --> 00:38:28,654 walked out of the bush and needed help. 668 00:38:28,741 --> 00:38:31,091 Despite all of the attention around them, 669 00:38:31,178 --> 00:38:33,223 the boys had never spoken publicly. 670 00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:35,530 And that was our goal, 671 00:38:35,617 --> 00:38:37,465 was to see if we could get an interview with them, 672 00:38:37,489 --> 00:38:40,796 get them to talk and learn more about them. 673 00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:50,893 I went to Vernon not knowing how long it was going to take. 674 00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:52,852 I didn't have a return ticket. 675 00:38:54,636 --> 00:38:56,899 Yeah, when we landed, Will had been placed 676 00:38:56,986 --> 00:39:00,555 in the hospital against his will, 677 00:39:00,642 --> 00:39:03,993 without ID and without a presence in the system. 678 00:39:04,037 --> 00:39:06,431 They were stuck. 679 00:39:06,518 --> 00:39:10,217 - Now that Will's up in their hospital system, 680 00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:12,001 it's going to get worse and worse, until... 681 00:39:12,132 --> 00:39:13,239 how is anyone going to solve it? 682 00:39:13,263 --> 00:39:15,004 No one's going to. 683 00:39:15,135 --> 00:39:18,704 Are we going to ever going to be able to get out of that? 684 00:39:18,791 --> 00:39:22,447 - My pitch to Tom was, look, tell your story, 685 00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:25,014 and maybe there'll be sympathy. 686 00:39:25,101 --> 00:39:26,818 If this is all you've got left to try and make it happen, 687 00:39:26,842 --> 00:39:28,322 why not? 688 00:39:28,409 --> 00:39:30,977 - I was telling them, no, I wouldn't do it. 689 00:39:31,064 --> 00:39:33,675 But they kept trying to talk me into it. 690 00:39:33,762 --> 00:39:35,044 - And we would take a step forward 691 00:39:35,068 --> 00:39:36,896 and then five steps back. 692 00:39:36,983 --> 00:39:39,159 And you just didn't really know 693 00:39:39,289 --> 00:39:43,076 what was going on in his head. 694 00:39:43,206 --> 00:39:46,079 - Right as they were going to give up, 695 00:39:46,209 --> 00:39:48,037 I flipped and said, OK, I'll do it. 696 00:40:00,136 --> 00:40:02,791 - Tom Green has never been interviewed on television. 697 00:40:02,835 --> 00:40:04,793 But after months of negotiations, 698 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,100 he agreed to talk to us. 699 00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:10,146 Do you understand why people are so intensely curious 700 00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:11,757 about you and your brother? 701 00:40:11,844 --> 00:40:12,975 - I think so. 702 00:40:13,062 --> 00:40:16,892 People are curious about anything that's unusual. 703 00:40:16,979 --> 00:40:19,591 They wanted to talk to me, get to know me. 704 00:40:19,678 --> 00:40:24,422 They also wanted to meet Will. 705 00:40:24,509 --> 00:40:26,554 - Everybody, 706 00:40:26,641 --> 00:40:30,776 meet skinny raw-foodist Will. 707 00:40:30,863 --> 00:40:33,648 Do you see a resemblance? 708 00:40:35,868 --> 00:40:39,262 Ah, greens. 709 00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:41,090 - At 16, he's a minor. 710 00:40:41,221 --> 00:40:44,572 And with no parents, he could be made a ward of the state. 711 00:40:44,659 --> 00:40:48,533 - Ah, I can't wait to get out of here. 712 00:40:48,663 --> 00:40:51,492 - We had no idea where the story was going to go. 713 00:40:51,579 --> 00:40:53,842 We hoped it would lead to the truth. 714 00:40:53,886 --> 00:40:56,323 - Tom, what do you know about your parents? 715 00:40:56,366 --> 00:40:57,933 Are they here legally? 716 00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:00,109 - I'm not certain. 717 00:41:00,153 --> 00:41:03,983 And if they're not even... 718 00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:06,115 they could be. 719 00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:07,334 - Are they criminals? 720 00:41:07,421 --> 00:41:09,075 Have they committed some criminal act 721 00:41:09,162 --> 00:41:11,207 that they're escaping from? -No, no, I... 722 00:41:11,294 --> 00:41:14,297 if they are, I don't know anything about it. 723 00:41:18,388 --> 00:41:22,349 - And at one point, while talking with Tom off camera, 724 00:41:22,392 --> 00:41:26,179 trying to figure out more about their parents, 725 00:41:26,266 --> 00:41:30,749 it became clear there was two versions of their story, 726 00:41:30,836 --> 00:41:34,840 the one of them raised in the wild, 727 00:41:34,970 --> 00:41:37,843 then the one where it was a little less wild. 728 00:41:41,499 --> 00:41:43,501 - The hostel owner had said, hey, 729 00:41:43,588 --> 00:41:46,155 they were on the computer quite a bit. 730 00:41:46,242 --> 00:41:47,983 That's where it started to be, like, 731 00:41:48,027 --> 00:41:52,248 I think they know a little more than what they're telling us. 732 00:41:52,335 --> 00:41:54,860 - And so how can someone who was literally 733 00:41:54,990 --> 00:41:58,080 raised in the forest with no electricity have these skills? 734 00:42:00,779 --> 00:42:04,522 - Will would slip and say, oh, yeah, I watched that movie, 735 00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:07,220 or, oh, I love "Cinderella" or something, right? 736 00:42:07,307 --> 00:42:11,529 And I'd be like, well, how do you know that? 737 00:42:11,616 --> 00:42:13,922 - The older brother would show up occasionally 738 00:42:13,966 --> 00:42:18,144 with nice designer sunglasses. 739 00:42:18,187 --> 00:42:21,974 And we discovered that they couldn't chop wood, 740 00:42:22,017 --> 00:42:24,019 which is kind of a prerequisite 741 00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:27,153 if you're living in the bush around Revelstoke. 742 00:42:30,548 --> 00:42:34,334 - I don't see why I should have to prove myself. 743 00:42:34,421 --> 00:42:36,138 - You think people are going to be sympathetic 744 00:42:36,162 --> 00:42:39,469 when they hear that? 745 00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:41,210 - I think some are. 746 00:42:41,254 --> 00:42:43,473 I think some will see things the way I do. 747 00:42:46,955 --> 00:42:48,150 - We got the story done, put it together, 748 00:42:48,174 --> 00:42:50,350 got it to air. 749 00:42:50,437 --> 00:42:53,745 It was the first time people could put eyes on these guys. 750 00:42:56,095 --> 00:42:58,706 But we still don't know who these guys are. 751 00:43:04,407 --> 00:43:07,062 - Once the CBC story ran, 752 00:43:07,193 --> 00:43:10,109 all the pieces of the puzzle started to drop into place. 753 00:43:15,070 --> 00:43:17,290 - Eventually, you get to the bottom of things. 754 00:43:17,420 --> 00:43:19,161 In this case, it certainly exploded 755 00:43:19,248 --> 00:43:22,382 once we found out the true story. 756 00:43:22,469 --> 00:43:24,036 - I spent so much time with them, 757 00:43:24,166 --> 00:43:26,908 thinking they were these people. 758 00:43:26,952 --> 00:43:29,476 I just remember being, like, super hurt 759 00:43:29,563 --> 00:43:33,393 and just going, what is going on? 760 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,700 - This is all unfolding in a matter of days. 761 00:43:35,787 --> 00:43:39,051 Like, our story airs, and we got this email 762 00:43:39,138 --> 00:43:42,010 from someone who recognized the boys on TV. 763 00:43:42,097 --> 00:43:44,883 That changed everything. 764 00:43:53,979 --> 00:43:56,546 - I'm just like, OK, well, we got to confront them. 765 00:43:56,634 --> 00:43:58,853 - I was completely shocked. 766 00:43:58,984 --> 00:44:01,508 Maybe this is all lies. 767 00:44:01,595 --> 00:44:03,075 - Wait, where are you going? 768 00:44:03,205 --> 00:44:04,772 - No, you have to let me in here. 769 00:44:04,859 --> 00:44:06,228 - I have my own way of seeing what is right 770 00:44:06,252 --> 00:44:07,949 and what is wrong. 771 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,492 - At some point, you even don't trust your own parents. 772 00:44:09,516 --> 00:44:11,083 - What happened in Vernon is probably 773 00:44:11,170 --> 00:44:14,608 just a footnote compared to what they're into now. 774 00:44:14,695 --> 00:44:16,305 - If it's not true... 775 00:44:18,917 --> 00:44:21,659 Is the truth darker? 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