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- There's a movie
about a caveman.
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I think Brendan Fraser
is in this movie.
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And he was frozen at one point.
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- They found him
in an ice block.
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And the movie is
they dethaw him,
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and he has to be integrated
into normal society.
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And in some ways,
I felt on that level.
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Me and my brother,
we grew up off the grid.
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- We lived pretty isolated
in a cabin out in the woods.
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- We didn't have exposure
to the outside world...
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and, like, I want more.
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I want more.
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- They were dubbed
the Wild Boys...
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- The so-called Wild Boys.
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- after they caught
the country's attention
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with an unbelievable tale.
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- They definitely
weren't like my children
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or any teenagers or young adults
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that I've been in contact with.
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- The community was
a little on edge
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when two strangers showed up
unexpectedly at our doorstop.
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- Who are these guys?
Why are they here?
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- It was my job to get
to the bottom of it.
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- I'm thinking I might be
aiding and abetting people
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who I really shouldn't be,
right?
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- I do believe them.
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I mean, I don't know
what to believe.
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- All these people
are looking at me,
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deciding whether or not they
can trust me and my story.
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I'm thinking whether I should
trust them and their story
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of why society is so great.
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Go to work, and get your rent.
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You'll die one day
and end up in the cemetery.
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But that's good.
That's how it should be.
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I'm like, no, it sucks.
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I don't want your cemetery.
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I don't want your normal life.
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- In 2003, Vernon was
a small town frozen in time.
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The best analogy might be
it was an AM radio station
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in an FM stereo world.
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We couldn't get national media
to pay attention to Vernon
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on its best day,
but it was a great place
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to visit and an even
better place to live.
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- It's a small town,
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but you go 2 kilometers
in any direction out of town,
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you're in the wilderness.
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You are in the
primeval wilderness.
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- The people are friendly.
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You go down to
the grocery store,
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and you run into
a dozen people who
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know you by your first name.
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And as Canadians,
there's a tendency
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to help your neighbor
and your fellow man.
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But at the end of that summer,
these two rough kids,
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you know,
popped up on our radar.
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- My husband would say I'm
the type of person that just...
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when I see something that needs
to be done, I get it done.
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And I'm not going to wait around
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for other people to do it.
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Back in 2003, I was 34.
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My kids were my main focus,
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so I was always helping out
in the classrooms.
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My kids' school
was near the library.
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That's where
I first saw the boys.
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They caught my eye.
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The younger one
was extremely thin
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and looked sick.
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And he was just following
behind the older one.
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I remember thinking
something was wrong.
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You'd look.
You'd take a second look.
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I just couldn't get them
out of my head.
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Like, what was that that I saw?
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It was so foreign.
And it was a young child.
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I started thinking, like,
where'd they come from?
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Like, what's their story?
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So I made it my mission to
find these boys and help them.
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It's a small enough town that
you could talk to a few people
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and someone would know.
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Somebody said they're
living near Kal's store.
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So I asked the store owners
if they'd seen these two guys.
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And they knew right away
who I was talking about.
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- It looked like another...
how do you say it?
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Alien.
-Almost like an alien.
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- Yeah.
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- They said, oh, they're
living behind the store
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in a tent,
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said they come in
and use the payphone a lot.
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- I remember them
using the phone,
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and they were getting
a real chuckle out of that.
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- So I left quarters
in an envelope
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with my phone number.
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I said, I can help you
if you need help.
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And I didn't expect them
to call me right away.
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It was quite soon.
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The older one was
the only one that spoke.
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- Hello?
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Who is this?
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- He was very quiet, subdued.
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- My name is Tom.
I got your note.
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- So that was strange too,
right,
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for young people
to be like that.
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I was like,
hey, this sounds strange.
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You don't know me.
I'm just a community member.
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And I wanted to
reach out and see
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if I can offer any assistance.
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And they right away said, yes.
We'd love your help.
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So we met.
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I brought them food.
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And they, you know,
were very thankful.
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But they didn't want
any junk food, chips,
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nothing that teens would eat.
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They were both painfully shy.
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The younger boy was
a young teenager, 15, 16.
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And he just seemed so thin.
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And you know, his cheekbones,
you could see them.
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It was really shocking.
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And then the other one
seemed to be early 20s.
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You know, your mind goes to is
there something else going on?
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Is he being deprived of food?
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Maybe they're in some sort
of cult or something.
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And I just said,
I want to help them.
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And that's when they started
to tell me their story.
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My name is Tom Green.
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I was born and raised in
the wilderness of Canada,
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up near Revelstoke.
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That's up north of Vernon.
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My mom and dad and
my younger brother,
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we grew up off-grid in a cabin.
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It was a very peaceful way
to grow up,
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completely separate from
the rest of society.
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- My name is Will Green, and
I was raised in the forest.
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Our parents taught us
the story of Neverland,
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where it's literally about
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never getting old,
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that that's possible.
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It's very powerful
because Neverland
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inspires us to be
very childlike...
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to maintain it, to not lose it.
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Life in the woods, for a while,
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it was just beautiful.
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- They'd never been to school,
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never been to a doctor.
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- There was something
different there.
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They definitely weren't
like my children
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or any teenagers or young adults
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that I've been in contact with.
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They're not socialized
like a lot of us.
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And I could tell by that.
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- Just because somebody
tells you something,
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that doesn't mean it's real.
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I need fact.
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As soon as the story
started bubbling,
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the first thing
that came to my mind
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was, OK, number one,
who are these people?
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Why are they in Vernon?
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And then the natural thing is,
what are they hiding from?
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Who are they hiding from?
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- For months,
no one knew they were here,
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two mysterious brothers
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living on the outskirts
of Vernon.
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- There was two things going on.
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One was finding out who they
were and where they're from.
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And then there was
a group of people,
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including myself,
that were advocating
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for them to get help first.
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It's just, you know,
on the ground,
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trying to get everything
for these guys
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and organized...
housing, food, clothing.
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It was quite a lot of money.
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And there was a lot of people
upset with that.
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- Their story is
the talk of the town,
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but not everyone is buying it.
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- Scammer.
Yeah, they're a scammer. Yeah.
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- It seems a bit
suspicious to me.
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I don't know how come
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they haven't been seen
by other people, and...
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- It's a little bit suspicious,
maybe, maybe.
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But on the other hand,
maybe it's true.
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- I remember Tami saying
at one point, I think,
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that, like, hey,
people don't even know
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for sure that
you're really brothers.
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- So do you believe their story?
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I don't know.
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I couldn't tell you on that one.
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- Prior to the boys arriving,
the community had gone through
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a number of
gang-related murders,
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and it caused a lot of tension,
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a lot of anxiety
in the community.
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People started feeling unsafe.
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- There was a definite split
in the community
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as to whether the boys were
telling the truth or not.
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And I sat down with
the Inspector Kolibaba,
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and we had a really
frank conversation about,
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is this real?
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In the '70s, Americans
coming north of the border
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to dodge the Vietnam War
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often settled
in the surrounding area.
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So if a young man in his
early 20s had decided
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to cross the border
and go off the grid
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in an attempt
to avoid deportation...
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in theory,
it was possible that two kids
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had lived completely unplugged
from civilization.
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- They'd lived in secrecy
for all those years,
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and they didn't want to
expose their parents, I guess.
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- Does that seem
far-fetched to you?
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-No. No, not really.
-No.
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- Do you really think
that happens up here?
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- I actually grew up up north,
so I know it can happen.
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- Yeah, I believe
what they're saying.
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I don't see anything
wrong with that.
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I think it's unique
that we have people that
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are a little bit
different for a change,
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parents who are in hiding.
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And the world doesn't have
to know what's going on.
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- We lived pretty isolated.
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Part of you always knows,
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yeah, there's this whole
other world out there.
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And if I wanted to,
I could become part of that.
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You wonder, am I going
to join them one day?
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Or am I going to
continue living out
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my whole life out here?
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- At first, when I arrived
at Vernon, I was afraid.
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I was fearful all the time.
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I was suspicious of society.
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The way we grew up,
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there's a feeling
that people are dangerous.
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- They kept things
close to their chest.
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I didn't really know, like,
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were they fleeing
from an abusive situation?
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I didn't ask them a lot
of questions at the time
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because I didn't want
to scare them off.
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I was thinking
they just needed help
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with food and shelter.
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- Tami was a resourceful person,
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and she found a way
to get us a place to stay.
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- There was a hostel in town.
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I knew it was just
a really nice vibe.
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It was good energy.
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And they moved upstairs
into a room.
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I brought my blow dryer
and shampoo.
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Will was kind of fighting me
on the shower thing.
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And I thought, is he scared
of the shower or hot water?
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What's wrong?
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And then he absolutely did not
want me to blow dry his hair
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and said that the noise
bothered him or something.
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- My ears started
to literally, like,
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feel like they're
going to explode.
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- With all these details and
idiosyncrasies, in my mind,
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I'm thinking, clearly they
did not live a normal life.
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- The hostel was really perfect.
251
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You know, they had a computer
that anyone there could use.
252
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And that was a crazy experience.
253
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Growing up, you know,
computer, TV,
254
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we didn't have
any of that stuff.
255
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Tami was taking care
of so much on our behalf
256
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and helping us
integrate into society.
257
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She accepted us
like we're family
258
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and just led us into her home.
259
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♪ Happy birthday, dear Tom ♪
260
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♪ Happy birthday to you ♪
261
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- Birthday boy gets
the first piece.
262
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- I remember,
it was Tom's birthday,
263
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so we got him a cake.
264
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- OK, Tom, let's see
what it tastes like.
265
00:16:01,961 --> 00:16:03,875
- Oh, don't do that
to the poor guy.
266
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He's going to have to fake it.
267
00:16:05,486 --> 00:16:07,286
- They may have had maybe
a taste of the cake,
268
00:16:07,314 --> 00:16:10,534
but they weren't eating
the cake, that's for sure.
269
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It was kind of an excitement
to be able to,
270
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you know, introduce them to
these things that are "normal."
271
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My kids really liked them.
272
00:16:26,681 --> 00:16:31,425
And, you know, you just go
by what your kids think.
273
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Will related to them more.
274
00:16:33,427 --> 00:16:36,212
And that's where he
kind of opened up more.
275
00:16:36,299 --> 00:16:40,912
- Tami and her family
were adopting me a bit.
276
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She was just filled
with compassion,
277
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empathetic, sensitive.
278
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She really cared.
279
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I felt loved, yeah, to be
part of other people's family,
280
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when you're missing
your own family,
281
00:16:55,231 --> 00:16:57,712
because I was missing my family.
282
00:17:15,338 --> 00:17:18,602
- There are people that choose
to live off the grid, OK?
283
00:17:18,689 --> 00:17:22,693
Their story, it's plausible.
284
00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:27,133
But the community was
responding with emotion.
285
00:17:27,220 --> 00:17:32,138
We needed, as police,
to respond with reason.
286
00:17:32,181 --> 00:17:34,836
We didn't know who they were.
287
00:17:34,923 --> 00:17:38,448
Are they dangerous?
Did they commit crimes?
288
00:17:38,579 --> 00:17:41,843
And that's when I assigned
Corporal Henry Proce
289
00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:44,802
to find out what was going on.
290
00:17:44,846 --> 00:17:46,543
- I would have to admit,
291
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:50,504
I like being in a position
of authority, which is nice,
292
00:17:50,591 --> 00:17:52,201
as a police officer.
293
00:17:52,245 --> 00:17:54,682
I like solving crime.
I love this job.
294
00:17:57,902 --> 00:18:01,297
Inspector Kolibaba dropped
the file on my desk
295
00:18:01,384 --> 00:18:03,343
because I was
the media relations officer,
296
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:05,780
and people wanted answers.
297
00:18:05,823 --> 00:18:07,347
We're going to do
some investigation,
298
00:18:07,434 --> 00:18:09,566
try and determine the
background of the two males,
299
00:18:09,653 --> 00:18:12,091
where they're from, this
sort of thing, their identity.
300
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:18,967
We had the names,
Tom and Will Green.
301
00:18:19,054 --> 00:18:21,187
I did run them through
our various systems.
302
00:18:21,317 --> 00:18:24,538
And nothing came up whatsoever.
303
00:18:24,625 --> 00:18:26,409
There's no record
of these boys being born
304
00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:27,628
within British Columbia.
305
00:18:27,758 --> 00:18:29,238
There's no record
of their parents.
306
00:18:29,282 --> 00:18:30,868
There's no driving records,
criminal records,
307
00:18:30,892 --> 00:18:32,807
nothing tangible,
nothing concrete
308
00:18:32,894 --> 00:18:35,418
that we could follow up on.
309
00:18:35,505 --> 00:18:37,116
At that point,
I'd been a police officer
310
00:18:37,246 --> 00:18:40,641
for almost 30 years,
so I'm somewhat cynical.
311
00:18:40,728 --> 00:18:44,993
And if I say something is too
far-fetched, it usually is.
312
00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,389
I thought, OK, these guys are
lying from start to finish.
313
00:18:49,476 --> 00:18:53,610
And it was my job
to get to the bottom of it.
314
00:19:03,925 --> 00:19:06,232
- At that point, they hadn't
committed any offenses.
315
00:19:06,319 --> 00:19:08,886
They were not arrestable.
316
00:19:09,017 --> 00:19:10,888
So now we go talk to them.
317
00:19:10,975 --> 00:19:14,196
Now we interview them, and we
see what's really going on.
318
00:19:14,283 --> 00:19:15,806
And that was the plan.
319
00:19:24,554 --> 00:19:26,513
- When you grow up
living off the grid,
320
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,776
isolated from
the rest of society,
321
00:19:28,819 --> 00:19:32,475
you don't have police.
322
00:19:32,562 --> 00:19:34,390
You don't have people above you,
323
00:19:34,477 --> 00:19:38,351
telling you what you can do.
324
00:19:38,394 --> 00:19:41,441
So when Proce
came by the hostel,
325
00:19:41,528 --> 00:19:45,532
it was our first interaction
with authorities.
326
00:19:46,794 --> 00:19:50,145
It was clear to me that
he didn't believe us.
327
00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:51,581
So he was trying
to intimidate me,
328
00:19:51,625 --> 00:19:54,410
you know, trying to get
more information out of me.
329
00:19:54,541 --> 00:19:56,630
I guess that's what police do.
330
00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:02,940
- I don't think that kind
of confrontation happened.
331
00:20:04,551 --> 00:20:06,379
I mean, we're professional.
332
00:20:06,509 --> 00:20:10,383
We have integrity.
We're very thorough.
333
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:13,081
- I was answering
all his questions.
334
00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:17,738
And the details that we gave
were just the truth.
335
00:20:19,957 --> 00:20:20,957
- Who are you?
336
00:20:21,002 --> 00:20:22,917
- My name is Tom Green.
337
00:20:23,004 --> 00:20:24,484
- Where are you really from?
338
00:20:24,571 --> 00:20:27,313
- I was born in Canada, in
the wilderness of Revelstoke.
339
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,184
- Why weren't they ever seen?
340
00:20:29,271 --> 00:20:31,534
- For starters,
our house was covered up,
341
00:20:31,621 --> 00:20:33,667
so you couldn't even
see it from overhead.
342
00:20:33,797 --> 00:20:35,321
That was all intentional.
343
00:20:35,451 --> 00:20:36,646
So if there's helicopters
flying around,
344
00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:38,237
they wouldn't see it.
345
00:20:38,324 --> 00:20:41,109
You're far out there.
You're in nature, for sure.
346
00:20:41,196 --> 00:20:42,719
- What are you doing here?
347
00:20:42,806 --> 00:20:45,418
Why are you taking advantage
of these people?
348
00:20:45,505 --> 00:20:48,421
- He definitely was having
trouble even understanding
349
00:20:48,464 --> 00:20:50,466
what I meant by things
350
00:20:50,553 --> 00:20:53,861
because I would answer
his questions so precisely.
351
00:20:53,948 --> 00:20:57,604
Like, he was frustrated by
my answers, I could tell.
352
00:20:57,691 --> 00:21:02,348
- And then when they said their
parents were Mary and Joseph,
353
00:21:02,435 --> 00:21:05,351
I thought,
this is going nowhere.
354
00:21:07,309 --> 00:21:09,529
- I was just telling the truth.
355
00:21:09,616 --> 00:21:11,705
That's their job
to identify people.
356
00:21:11,835 --> 00:21:14,795
If they don't know who we are,
that's on them.
357
00:21:14,882 --> 00:21:18,320
- They were not
very cooperative.
358
00:21:18,364 --> 00:21:21,541
And you can't force a person to
cooperate with you, obviously.
359
00:21:24,326 --> 00:21:26,110
But I can't remember
the younger one
360
00:21:26,197 --> 00:21:28,112
saying almost anything.
361
00:21:28,156 --> 00:21:30,811
Like, he was so quiet.
362
00:21:30,898 --> 00:21:34,945
And he would just nod
and look at his brother.
363
00:21:35,032 --> 00:21:39,123
That was a concern,
that he was that young,
364
00:21:39,254 --> 00:21:41,254
being supervised and under
the care of his brother,
365
00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:43,780
who did all the talking.
366
00:21:46,392 --> 00:21:48,524
The only thing that we knew
367
00:21:48,611 --> 00:21:51,875
was that he had
this ridiculous diet.
368
00:21:54,835 --> 00:21:58,534
He would not eat anything that
involved killing the plant.
369
00:21:58,621 --> 00:21:59,970
So you couldn't eat a carrot
370
00:22:00,057 --> 00:22:02,582
because you got to
pull it out of the ground.
371
00:22:02,712 --> 00:22:04,540
- With Will,
it was like more avocados,
372
00:22:04,671 --> 00:22:08,762
more vegetables, more fruits,
but nothing else.
373
00:22:08,849 --> 00:22:11,852
- As the weeks went by,
he was losing weight,
374
00:22:11,939 --> 00:22:15,551
and he was getting
thinner and thinner.
375
00:22:15,638 --> 00:22:18,467
- He was so malnourished,
376
00:22:18,554 --> 00:22:22,123
very low energy,
speaking very monotone,
377
00:22:22,166 --> 00:22:24,865
just not like
a regular teenager.
378
00:22:28,564 --> 00:22:29,783
In my mind, it was almost like
379
00:22:29,913 --> 00:22:33,961
Tom was the one feeding him
all this stuff.
380
00:22:34,091 --> 00:22:38,008
And that's what
I thought was happening.
381
00:22:38,095 --> 00:22:40,097
It seemed like Tom
was controlling
382
00:22:40,184 --> 00:22:43,710
what he said and didn't say.
383
00:22:43,797 --> 00:22:46,321
And the more and more
I hung out with them,
384
00:22:46,452 --> 00:22:50,325
the more firm he became.
385
00:22:50,412 --> 00:22:53,372
- I kept telling her,
you know, he was in control.
386
00:22:53,459 --> 00:22:55,809
Will's choosing
to eat that way for now
387
00:22:55,896 --> 00:22:59,900
because he believed
that was the right way for him.
388
00:22:59,987 --> 00:23:02,032
- We butted heads on that a lot
389
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,340
because Will was just a kid,
390
00:23:05,427 --> 00:23:08,648
and Tom was very
nonchalant about it.
391
00:23:10,476 --> 00:23:12,303
Was Tom part of why
he's so skinny?
392
00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:15,394
I just wasn't sure.
393
00:23:20,007 --> 00:23:25,186
- Growing up, our parents,
they would go and hunt.
394
00:23:25,316 --> 00:23:28,624
And so we ate meat.
395
00:23:28,711 --> 00:23:34,151
- There was a stream
close by for water.
396
00:23:34,238 --> 00:23:36,415
We would supplement our diet
with things like fish.
397
00:23:36,545 --> 00:23:38,765
We would fish.
398
00:23:38,852 --> 00:23:41,550
But at some point, I remember
I was telling my parents,
399
00:23:41,637 --> 00:23:45,336
like, look, I don't want to
be eating meat in general.
400
00:23:45,467 --> 00:23:49,558
I really started to just be
hyper-obsessed with health.
401
00:23:49,645 --> 00:23:54,781
I decided to become a
fruitarian and just eat fruit.
402
00:23:54,868 --> 00:23:57,218
My mom and dad would
just fight with me
403
00:23:57,305 --> 00:23:58,698
all the time about that.
404
00:23:58,785 --> 00:24:01,918
And they didn't
give me the option.
405
00:24:02,049 --> 00:24:05,487
You know, they didn't know
what to do with us.
406
00:24:05,618 --> 00:24:08,795
- We wanted to pursue
our vegan diet.
407
00:24:08,882 --> 00:24:12,015
But it's just not...
408
00:24:12,102 --> 00:24:13,582
it's not how it's done
out there.
409
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:17,020
So that's why we had to go.
410
00:24:35,691 --> 00:24:37,998
At the same time,
411
00:24:38,085 --> 00:24:40,522
I was saying to Tami, hey, um,
412
00:24:40,566 --> 00:24:42,655
you know, I'm willing to work.
413
00:24:42,742 --> 00:24:45,832
Can you get me help
so I can just get a job?
414
00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:47,244
We didn't have, like,
birth certificates.
415
00:24:47,268 --> 00:24:50,445
We didn't have IDs.
416
00:24:50,532 --> 00:24:54,580
It all came down to
getting identified.
417
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:57,147
- I was panicking because
I thought without ID,
418
00:24:57,278 --> 00:25:00,586
how are we going to help them
to live independently?
419
00:25:03,153 --> 00:25:07,375
So at that point, I wanted to
get their picture in the paper.
420
00:25:07,462 --> 00:25:09,377
- Tami said there was
a local reporter
421
00:25:09,464 --> 00:25:12,598
who wanted to put out
a little article on us.
422
00:25:12,641 --> 00:25:14,556
I thought, OK,
just a local paper, anyway.
423
00:25:14,643 --> 00:25:16,471
It doesn't matter.
424
00:25:19,822 --> 00:25:23,173
- This is Tom Green, one
of the so-called Bush Boys.
425
00:25:23,260 --> 00:25:25,959
The boys talked to
the local Vernon newspaper
426
00:25:26,002 --> 00:25:28,265
in the hopes that someone
would recognize them
427
00:25:28,352 --> 00:25:30,572
and help them confirm
their identities.
428
00:25:30,703 --> 00:25:32,792
- Media coverage
went Valley wide.
429
00:25:32,879 --> 00:25:35,751
CHBC-TV out of Kelowna
started to get involved.
430
00:25:35,882 --> 00:25:38,014
BCTV showed up.
431
00:25:38,101 --> 00:25:40,166
- These two young men talked
about living their entire lives
432
00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:42,018
in the bush.
433
00:25:42,105 --> 00:25:43,474
- That's a pretty bizarre
story, don't you think?
434
00:25:43,498 --> 00:25:46,109
- Well, it is,
but bizarre things happen.
435
00:25:46,196 --> 00:25:49,025
- I do remember it being
on the news and going,
436
00:25:49,156 --> 00:25:52,333
oh, gosh, this is really going
to a different level now.
437
00:25:52,463 --> 00:25:54,596
And I'm involved.
438
00:25:54,683 --> 00:25:56,816
And, you know, people are
going to know I'm involved.
439
00:25:59,427 --> 00:26:02,343
- The story took on
a life of its own.
440
00:26:02,430 --> 00:26:05,651
It became a media event.
441
00:26:08,044 --> 00:26:10,220
- Well, the old saying is,
you know,
442
00:26:10,264 --> 00:26:11,918
no media is bad media.
443
00:26:12,005 --> 00:26:14,921
These two wild children
appear in our community,
444
00:26:15,051 --> 00:26:18,011
and suddenly, everybody
wants to talk to us.
445
00:26:18,141 --> 00:26:21,362
- I had a press briefing
446
00:26:21,449 --> 00:26:25,061
with television,
radio, print media.
447
00:26:25,105 --> 00:26:29,457
I would meet weekly with them
and updated them.
448
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:31,807
Most of the time,
I just sort of said, I...
449
00:26:31,894 --> 00:26:34,549
we don't know,
we just simply don't know.
450
00:26:36,812 --> 00:26:38,945
- You know, now,
they're getting help,
451
00:26:39,032 --> 00:26:41,121
financial help, OK?
452
00:26:41,208 --> 00:26:43,993
Is it a scam?
453
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,536
- There was a community member
that called me
454
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,302
in the middle of the night,
455
00:26:48,432 --> 00:26:51,044
drunk, freaking out,
and basically accusing me
456
00:26:51,131 --> 00:26:55,614
of helping these boys who
probably didn't need the help.
457
00:26:55,744 --> 00:26:59,052
She was just convinced
they were lying.
458
00:27:01,663 --> 00:27:05,188
I remember just feeling
a lot of pressure.
459
00:27:05,275 --> 00:27:07,930
Like, I don't know what to do.
I'm just a mom.
460
00:27:09,976 --> 00:27:12,195
- This story raises
far more questions
461
00:27:12,326 --> 00:27:14,197
than it offers answers.
462
00:27:14,328 --> 00:27:16,175
Perhaps that's because the
community has squirreled away
463
00:27:16,199 --> 00:27:17,592
these two boys.
464
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:19,222
They're being kept
well away from the media.
465
00:27:19,246 --> 00:27:21,596
That is perhaps slowing
any positive identification
466
00:27:21,683 --> 00:27:23,293
of who they might be.
467
00:27:23,337 --> 00:27:25,097
- Without hearing from
either one of the two,
468
00:27:25,165 --> 00:27:27,994
it is impossible
to verify any of the story.
469
00:27:28,124 --> 00:27:32,302
- They just flatly refused
to speak to the press.
470
00:27:33,477 --> 00:27:36,916
- The media were really
starting to hound everyone.
471
00:27:36,959 --> 00:27:41,137
So in my mind, I was wanting
to protect the boys.
472
00:27:41,268 --> 00:27:44,880
I mean, I couldn't imagine the
anxiety they would have had.
473
00:27:44,967 --> 00:27:46,795
- They were secluded
in the hostel,
474
00:27:46,882 --> 00:27:49,450
and no one was
getting near them.
475
00:27:49,537 --> 00:27:52,671
- At one point, Henry Proce
knocked on the hostel door.
476
00:27:52,801 --> 00:27:57,197
And he said, you're here.
Why are you here?
477
00:27:57,327 --> 00:27:59,547
That's when I realized,
I think they need a lawyer.
478
00:28:02,158 --> 00:28:05,292
- I could never understand why
they had to be lawyered up.
479
00:28:05,379 --> 00:28:08,948
Tami and the lawyer,
you know, formed a team.
480
00:28:09,035 --> 00:28:12,778
And I was seen as
on the other side.
481
00:28:12,821 --> 00:28:15,041
- Like, he wanted me basically
to hand over the boys,
482
00:28:15,128 --> 00:28:18,000
I think, and let them talk.
483
00:28:18,044 --> 00:28:20,263
He was more black and white.
"I want to know the facts.
484
00:28:20,394 --> 00:28:21,656
There's facts to this."
485
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:24,180
And I was getting
in the way of that
486
00:28:24,311 --> 00:28:26,313
and he didn't like that.
487
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,490
I didn't want them
to get scared and flee,
488
00:28:29,577 --> 00:28:30,665
and then that's it.
489
00:28:30,709 --> 00:28:32,623
All this work was for nothing.
490
00:28:32,754 --> 00:28:34,776
- We could clear this whole
matter up within a half hour
491
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,759
if they simply told us
who their parents were,
492
00:28:37,803 --> 00:28:41,067
where they live,
and how to get there.
493
00:28:41,154 --> 00:28:43,199
Maybe everything
they're saying is true,
494
00:28:43,330 --> 00:28:45,549
and there's some cabin,
you know,
495
00:28:45,636 --> 00:28:47,029
somewhere near Revelstoke,
496
00:28:47,116 --> 00:28:49,423
where their parents
still hide underground,
497
00:28:49,553 --> 00:28:54,036
read National Geographics.
498
00:28:58,388 --> 00:29:02,523
- Tom and I would get
into some arguments
499
00:29:02,610 --> 00:29:05,047
and me saying,
you need to tell me more.
500
00:29:05,134 --> 00:29:07,454
Like, I can't help you unless
you're more forthcoming here.
501
00:29:07,528 --> 00:29:09,530
And he just wouldn't.
502
00:29:12,185 --> 00:29:15,014
- They said, well, if you
go talk to your parents,
503
00:29:15,057 --> 00:29:17,668
it would help lead me
to be able to get an ID.
504
00:29:21,542 --> 00:29:24,414
And I said to her, anyone
could possibly go take a dog
505
00:29:24,501 --> 00:29:26,416
and find out where
I went and find them.
506
00:29:26,503 --> 00:29:29,115
I'm not going to do that.
507
00:29:29,202 --> 00:29:33,336
- It was all centered
around this fear.
508
00:29:33,423 --> 00:29:35,619
They were really wanting to
protect their parents' identity
509
00:29:35,643 --> 00:29:38,341
and where their parents lived.
510
00:29:38,428 --> 00:29:40,474
But I was like,
I've done all this for you,
511
00:29:40,604 --> 00:29:42,128
and you're not giving me
anything here.
512
00:29:42,258 --> 00:29:46,088
Like, I can't help you
without ID or information.
513
00:29:46,175 --> 00:29:48,221
- She was just
very serious about it.
514
00:29:48,264 --> 00:29:51,006
And after assessing
the situation,
515
00:29:51,093 --> 00:29:54,227
I thought, like,
it's a goodwill thing.
516
00:29:54,357 --> 00:29:55,924
Like, OK, if you go
make this attempt,
517
00:29:56,011 --> 00:29:58,187
that's what they want to see.
518
00:30:05,716 --> 00:30:08,937
- We drove to Revelstoke.
519
00:30:09,068 --> 00:30:10,983
And they would say,
OK, turn here.
520
00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:12,811
Turn there.
521
00:30:16,727 --> 00:30:20,296
I was a little nervous, right?
522
00:30:20,427 --> 00:30:21,820
I'm in the middle of the bush
523
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:26,476
with these people
that I really don't know.
524
00:30:32,004 --> 00:30:34,180
- And so I just said,
OK, here's the spot.
525
00:30:34,267 --> 00:30:36,312
Pull over.
I could get there from here.
526
00:30:43,232 --> 00:30:45,278
It was quite cold.
527
00:30:45,365 --> 00:30:46,908
And they said they would
go talk to their parents,
528
00:30:46,932 --> 00:30:49,064
and they went in the bush
and disappeared.
529
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,765
And I just started spinning
at that point,
530
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:56,004
being like, are they criminals?
531
00:30:56,028 --> 00:30:57,943
Like, are we in danger?
532
00:31:00,249 --> 00:31:01,598
In my mind,
I'm like, oh, my gosh,
533
00:31:01,685 --> 00:31:02,730
they've been with my kids.
534
00:31:02,817 --> 00:31:04,906
You know,
they know where I live.
535
00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:10,999
And also the family, like,
536
00:31:11,086 --> 00:31:13,045
how do I know they're
not dangerous, right?
537
00:31:19,703 --> 00:31:23,098
- I was sitting in the car
for what seemed like forever.
538
00:31:25,361 --> 00:31:26,710
You're a little nervous, right?
539
00:31:26,841 --> 00:31:28,930
Is Mary and Joseph going
to come out here now?
540
00:31:29,061 --> 00:31:32,412
And I'm picturing them in
these, like, religious cloaks.
541
00:31:39,549 --> 00:31:44,511
And then they came out
by themselves...
542
00:31:44,641 --> 00:31:48,428
with no Mary and Joseph
and no ID.
543
00:31:51,735 --> 00:31:54,086
- I went back.
544
00:31:54,129 --> 00:31:57,002
And I told them that, oh, yeah,
I did talk to my parents,
545
00:31:57,089 --> 00:32:00,048
and they said, no, no, no,
we can't give you anything,
546
00:32:00,092 --> 00:32:02,616
and don't come in, and go away.
547
00:32:02,703 --> 00:32:03,965
- It just didn't sit with me.
548
00:32:04,096 --> 00:32:05,551
And I kept questioning him
and questioning him.
549
00:32:05,575 --> 00:32:07,099
I don't... I don't get it.
550
00:32:07,142 --> 00:32:09,231
You were so cold when
we came back to get you,
551
00:32:09,275 --> 00:32:11,799
and if you hiked
in an hour and back,
552
00:32:11,886 --> 00:32:13,235
that wouldn't have happened.
553
00:32:13,322 --> 00:32:15,455
And he said to me, I'm sorry.
I had to lie to you.
554
00:32:19,633 --> 00:32:22,679
- She said, you didn't really
go see your parents, did you?
555
00:32:22,766 --> 00:32:24,594
And I said, that's right.
I didn't.
556
00:32:24,681 --> 00:32:26,292
So you admitted to that?
557
00:32:26,379 --> 00:32:28,120
- Yeah.
558
00:32:28,207 --> 00:32:30,949
I said, yeah, I'm not going
to, you know, so there.
559
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:32,559
I pretended to.
I played along.
560
00:32:32,646 --> 00:32:34,300
I'm not going to go back.
561
00:32:34,387 --> 00:32:37,085
I'm not going to go
compromise their location.
562
00:32:39,348 --> 00:32:41,326
- The fact that they were sent
on this wild goose chase
563
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:43,396
out to Revelstoke...
564
00:32:43,483 --> 00:32:45,026
I mean, I found out about it
after the fact.
565
00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:46,703
It's not like
they came to me and said,
566
00:32:46,790 --> 00:32:48,227
would this be a good idea?
567
00:32:48,314 --> 00:32:50,118
I would have said, no,
it's a total waste of time
568
00:32:50,142 --> 00:32:52,579
because it's not
going to happen.
569
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:57,976
One of the first things I did
was check out Revelstoke.
570
00:33:00,413 --> 00:33:04,460
And they had never heard
of Tom or Will Green either.
571
00:33:08,464 --> 00:33:12,773
- No, I do believe...
I do believe them that they...
572
00:33:12,816 --> 00:33:14,253
I mean, I don't believe...
573
00:33:14,383 --> 00:33:16,144
I don't know what to believe
because just like
574
00:33:16,168 --> 00:33:18,431
everybody else,
I don't have concrete facts.
575
00:33:21,390 --> 00:33:24,306
And on the way back,
the lawyer's office called
576
00:33:24,393 --> 00:33:27,309
and said that the police
were looking for us.
577
00:33:29,050 --> 00:33:31,400
And now, I'm thinking I might be
578
00:33:31,487 --> 00:33:33,509
aiding and abetting people who
I really shouldn't be, right?
579
00:33:36,536 --> 00:33:40,279
- I was getting
more and more frustrated.
580
00:33:40,366 --> 00:33:44,065
You know, we wanted to
get to the bottom of it.
581
00:33:44,196 --> 00:33:45,608
I think what's going
through your head first
582
00:33:45,632 --> 00:33:48,200
and foremost is,
I don't want to screw this up.
583
00:33:51,072 --> 00:33:52,180
And I didn't want
to screw it up.
584
00:33:52,204 --> 00:33:54,032
I didn't want to fail.
585
00:33:57,557 --> 00:33:59,428
- There was a sense of urgency,
586
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:01,169
especially around
the younger brother,
587
00:34:01,256 --> 00:34:03,171
because as time went on,
588
00:34:03,258 --> 00:34:06,174
it became apparent that
he continued to lose weight.
589
00:34:06,218 --> 00:34:09,917
He continued to become
more emaciated.
590
00:34:10,004 --> 00:34:12,266
There was a concern.
591
00:34:12,398 --> 00:34:16,793
What do we do as a community
if he, God forbid, dies?
592
00:34:16,924 --> 00:34:19,447
- I was worried about Will
593
00:34:19,534 --> 00:34:21,710
because he was getting
seriously worse and worse
594
00:34:21,755 --> 00:34:25,106
every day.
595
00:34:25,237 --> 00:34:29,023
- I just remember being,
like, cold and, like, bony.
596
00:34:29,067 --> 00:34:32,157
So if you sit down, like, you
gotta make sure it has padding,
597
00:34:32,244 --> 00:34:34,202
you know, like...
598
00:34:34,289 --> 00:34:35,420
Yeah, it's not good.
599
00:34:35,551 --> 00:34:38,250
It's not good to be that skinny.
600
00:34:38,380 --> 00:34:41,034
- We were always trying
to encourage Will
601
00:34:41,166 --> 00:34:43,472
to get food to
make him gain weight.
602
00:34:43,603 --> 00:34:46,344
He acted like we were going
to make him eat these foods
603
00:34:46,431 --> 00:34:50,262
that were going to kill him.
604
00:34:50,349 --> 00:34:52,568
- Back then, I'm thinking,
I will only eat something
605
00:34:52,655 --> 00:34:54,614
if I'm convinced
it's good for my body.
606
00:35:00,489 --> 00:35:02,578
- I don't think
the older brother, Tom,
607
00:35:02,665 --> 00:35:05,799
appreciated the seriousness
of the situation,
608
00:35:05,886 --> 00:35:07,888
that his younger brother
was slowly dying
609
00:35:07,975 --> 00:35:10,151
in front of his eyes.
610
00:35:10,282 --> 00:35:13,154
I think at that point,
he was 85 pounds,
611
00:35:13,285 --> 00:35:15,852
a young man that was
over 6 feet tall.
612
00:35:18,377 --> 00:35:20,335
- That was really scary.
613
00:35:20,422 --> 00:35:22,468
And it was just
so frustrating because
614
00:35:22,555 --> 00:35:27,342
Tom still wasn't willing
to get him help.
615
00:35:27,473 --> 00:35:30,954
So at that point, it was like,
where do your loyalties lie?
616
00:35:33,261 --> 00:35:35,045
- Tami contacted me and said
617
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:37,700
the situation was getting dire.
618
00:35:37,787 --> 00:35:41,095
The lawyer couldn't help,
and we had to do something.
619
00:35:44,316 --> 00:35:45,839
And Tami told me
he's in the store.
620
00:35:45,882 --> 00:35:48,146
You should go get him.
621
00:35:55,457 --> 00:35:58,373
- That day, I walked to
the health food store.
622
00:35:58,504 --> 00:36:02,682
I was buying oranges and all
my fruit that I normally buy.
623
00:36:02,769 --> 00:36:05,075
- I approached him,
told him he was
624
00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:06,923
being apprehended under
the Mental Health Act
625
00:36:06,947 --> 00:36:09,471
of British Columbia.
626
00:36:09,558 --> 00:36:11,995
- He put me in cuffs and
put me in, like, a freaking,
627
00:36:12,082 --> 00:36:15,216
you know, cop car.
628
00:36:15,347 --> 00:36:17,784
I just remember being
intimidated and afraid.
629
00:36:19,612 --> 00:36:21,222
I thought they were
just taking me
630
00:36:21,353 --> 00:36:23,355
for another interrogation
or something.
631
00:36:23,442 --> 00:36:25,357
But then, like,
somewhere along the line,
632
00:36:25,444 --> 00:36:27,010
in the car, in the cop car,
633
00:36:27,097 --> 00:36:29,274
I realized he was taking me
to the hospital.
634
00:36:31,711 --> 00:36:35,584
So I'm thinking the worst
of the worst at this point.
635
00:36:38,718 --> 00:36:41,503
You visualize things,
636
00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:43,897
like them literally forcing
a tube down your throat.
637
00:36:46,856 --> 00:36:48,747
He was making comments that,
like, made me think, oh, yeah,
638
00:36:48,771 --> 00:36:50,991
they're going to make you
eat burgers and da da da da,
639
00:36:51,121 --> 00:36:53,776
like, you know, it's horrifying.
640
00:36:53,907 --> 00:36:56,562
- Maybe I said something
to that effect.
641
00:36:56,649 --> 00:36:58,128
I don't deny it.
642
00:36:58,216 --> 00:37:00,305
I may have said,
you need a cheeseburger.
643
00:37:00,392 --> 00:37:02,132
But I mean,
I had empathy for him.
644
00:37:02,263 --> 00:37:04,613
I mean, he was suffering,
645
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:07,921
and he did not have the common
sense to do something about it.
646
00:37:14,144 --> 00:37:18,584
- They just decided, hey,
you don't get freedom anymore.
647
00:37:18,671 --> 00:37:20,551
We're going to take it away
because we love you.
648
00:37:20,586 --> 00:37:21,978
That's kidnapping.
649
00:37:24,894 --> 00:37:27,375
- The Mental Health Act
is the act under which
650
00:37:27,506 --> 00:37:29,159
we can apprehend people
who are a danger
651
00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:31,379
to themselves or others.
652
00:37:31,466 --> 00:37:33,163
And in this case, he was a minor
653
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:37,167
and clearly a danger to himself.
654
00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:41,389
- There's a definite feeling
of shame and guilt.
655
00:37:43,739 --> 00:37:45,132
They trusted me.
656
00:37:45,219 --> 00:37:47,743
So I felt like I betrayed them.
657
00:37:47,830 --> 00:37:49,354
But I knew that he needs help.
658
00:37:49,441 --> 00:37:52,052
And that's, you know,
what I'm trying to do.
659
00:37:54,315 --> 00:37:56,274
- How serious is his condition?
660
00:37:56,361 --> 00:37:58,363
- Very serious.
661
00:37:58,406 --> 00:38:00,278
-Life-threatening?
-Yes.
662
00:38:08,547 --> 00:38:11,767
- Back in 2004,
I was a TV producer
663
00:38:11,898 --> 00:38:14,553
for an investigative program
called "Disclosure."
664
00:38:17,730 --> 00:38:19,862
I remember,
I was reading a newspaper,
665
00:38:19,949 --> 00:38:22,952
and that's where
I saw the story.
666
00:38:23,083 --> 00:38:25,520
And it was a story
of two young men,
667
00:38:25,651 --> 00:38:28,654
walked out of the bush
and needed help.
668
00:38:28,741 --> 00:38:31,091
Despite all of the attention
around them,
669
00:38:31,178 --> 00:38:33,223
the boys had never
spoken publicly.
670
00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:35,530
And that was our goal,
671
00:38:35,617 --> 00:38:37,465
was to see if we could
get an interview with them,
672
00:38:37,489 --> 00:38:40,796
get them to talk
and learn more about them.
673
00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:50,893
I went to Vernon not knowing
how long it was going to take.
674
00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:52,852
I didn't have a return ticket.
675
00:38:54,636 --> 00:38:56,899
Yeah, when we landed,
Will had been placed
676
00:38:56,986 --> 00:39:00,555
in the hospital
against his will,
677
00:39:00,642 --> 00:39:03,993
without ID and without
a presence in the system.
678
00:39:04,037 --> 00:39:06,431
They were stuck.
679
00:39:06,518 --> 00:39:10,217
- Now that Will's up
in their hospital system,
680
00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:12,001
it's going to get worse
and worse, until...
681
00:39:12,132 --> 00:39:13,239
how is anyone going to solve it?
682
00:39:13,263 --> 00:39:15,004
No one's going to.
683
00:39:15,135 --> 00:39:18,704
Are we going to ever going to
be able to get out of that?
684
00:39:18,791 --> 00:39:22,447
- My pitch to Tom was,
look, tell your story,
685
00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:25,014
and maybe there'll be sympathy.
686
00:39:25,101 --> 00:39:26,818
If this is all you've got left
to try and make it happen,
687
00:39:26,842 --> 00:39:28,322
why not?
688
00:39:28,409 --> 00:39:30,977
- I was telling them,
no, I wouldn't do it.
689
00:39:31,064 --> 00:39:33,675
But they kept trying
to talk me into it.
690
00:39:33,762 --> 00:39:35,044
- And we would
take a step forward
691
00:39:35,068 --> 00:39:36,896
and then five steps back.
692
00:39:36,983 --> 00:39:39,159
And you just didn't really know
693
00:39:39,289 --> 00:39:43,076
what was going on in his head.
694
00:39:43,206 --> 00:39:46,079
- Right as they were
going to give up,
695
00:39:46,209 --> 00:39:48,037
I flipped and said,
OK, I'll do it.
696
00:40:00,136 --> 00:40:02,791
- Tom Green has never been
interviewed on television.
697
00:40:02,835 --> 00:40:04,793
But after months
of negotiations,
698
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,100
he agreed to talk to us.
699
00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:10,146
Do you understand why people
are so intensely curious
700
00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:11,757
about you and your brother?
701
00:40:11,844 --> 00:40:12,975
- I think so.
702
00:40:13,062 --> 00:40:16,892
People are curious about
anything that's unusual.
703
00:40:16,979 --> 00:40:19,591
They wanted to talk to me,
get to know me.
704
00:40:19,678 --> 00:40:24,422
They also wanted to meet Will.
705
00:40:24,509 --> 00:40:26,554
- Everybody,
706
00:40:26,641 --> 00:40:30,776
meet skinny raw-foodist Will.
707
00:40:30,863 --> 00:40:33,648
Do you see a resemblance?
708
00:40:35,868 --> 00:40:39,262
Ah, greens.
709
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:41,090
- At 16, he's a minor.
710
00:40:41,221 --> 00:40:44,572
And with no parents, he could
be made a ward of the state.
711
00:40:44,659 --> 00:40:48,533
- Ah, I can't wait
to get out of here.
712
00:40:48,663 --> 00:40:51,492
- We had no idea where
the story was going to go.
713
00:40:51,579 --> 00:40:53,842
We hoped it would
lead to the truth.
714
00:40:53,886 --> 00:40:56,323
- Tom, what do you know
about your parents?
715
00:40:56,366 --> 00:40:57,933
Are they here legally?
716
00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:00,109
- I'm not certain.
717
00:41:00,153 --> 00:41:03,983
And if they're not even...
718
00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:06,115
they could be.
719
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:07,334
- Are they criminals?
720
00:41:07,421 --> 00:41:09,075
Have they committed
some criminal act
721
00:41:09,162 --> 00:41:11,207
that they're escaping from?
-No, no, I...
722
00:41:11,294 --> 00:41:14,297
if they are,
I don't know anything about it.
723
00:41:18,388 --> 00:41:22,349
- And at one point, while
talking with Tom off camera,
724
00:41:22,392 --> 00:41:26,179
trying to figure out
more about their parents,
725
00:41:26,266 --> 00:41:30,749
it became clear there was
two versions of their story,
726
00:41:30,836 --> 00:41:34,840
the one of them
raised in the wild,
727
00:41:34,970 --> 00:41:37,843
then the one where
it was a little less wild.
728
00:41:41,499 --> 00:41:43,501
- The hostel owner
had said, hey,
729
00:41:43,588 --> 00:41:46,155
they were on the computer
quite a bit.
730
00:41:46,242 --> 00:41:47,983
That's where it started
to be, like,
731
00:41:48,027 --> 00:41:52,248
I think they know a little more
than what they're telling us.
732
00:41:52,335 --> 00:41:54,860
- And so how can someone
who was literally
733
00:41:54,990 --> 00:41:58,080
raised in the forest with no
electricity have these skills?
734
00:42:00,779 --> 00:42:04,522
- Will would slip and say, oh,
yeah, I watched that movie,
735
00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:07,220
or, oh, I love "Cinderella"
or something, right?
736
00:42:07,307 --> 00:42:11,529
And I'd be like, well,
how do you know that?
737
00:42:11,616 --> 00:42:13,922
- The older brother would
show up occasionally
738
00:42:13,966 --> 00:42:18,144
with nice designer sunglasses.
739
00:42:18,187 --> 00:42:21,974
And we discovered that
they couldn't chop wood,
740
00:42:22,017 --> 00:42:24,019
which is kind of a prerequisite
741
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:27,153
if you're living in the bush
around Revelstoke.
742
00:42:30,548 --> 00:42:34,334
- I don't see why I should
have to prove myself.
743
00:42:34,421 --> 00:42:36,138
- You think people are
going to be sympathetic
744
00:42:36,162 --> 00:42:39,469
when they hear that?
745
00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:41,210
- I think some are.
746
00:42:41,254 --> 00:42:43,473
I think some will see
things the way I do.
747
00:42:46,955 --> 00:42:48,150
- We got the story done,
put it together,
748
00:42:48,174 --> 00:42:50,350
got it to air.
749
00:42:50,437 --> 00:42:53,745
It was the first time people
could put eyes on these guys.
750
00:42:56,095 --> 00:42:58,706
But we still don't know
who these guys are.
751
00:43:04,407 --> 00:43:07,062
- Once the CBC story ran,
752
00:43:07,193 --> 00:43:10,109
all the pieces of the puzzle
started to drop into place.
753
00:43:15,070 --> 00:43:17,290
- Eventually, you get
to the bottom of things.
754
00:43:17,420 --> 00:43:19,161
In this case,
it certainly exploded
755
00:43:19,248 --> 00:43:22,382
once we found out
the true story.
756
00:43:22,469 --> 00:43:24,036
- I spent so much time
with them,
757
00:43:24,166 --> 00:43:26,908
thinking they were these people.
758
00:43:26,952 --> 00:43:29,476
I just remember being,
like, super hurt
759
00:43:29,563 --> 00:43:33,393
and just going,
what is going on?
760
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,700
- This is all unfolding
in a matter of days.
761
00:43:35,787 --> 00:43:39,051
Like, our story airs,
and we got this email
762
00:43:39,138 --> 00:43:42,010
from someone who recognized
the boys on TV.
763
00:43:42,097 --> 00:43:44,883
That changed everything.
764
00:43:53,979 --> 00:43:56,546
- I'm just like, OK, well,
we got to confront them.
765
00:43:56,634 --> 00:43:58,853
- I was completely shocked.
766
00:43:58,984 --> 00:44:01,508
Maybe this is all lies.
767
00:44:01,595 --> 00:44:03,075
- Wait, where are you going?
768
00:44:03,205 --> 00:44:04,772
- No, you have to
let me in here.
769
00:44:04,859 --> 00:44:06,228
- I have my own way
of seeing what is right
770
00:44:06,252 --> 00:44:07,949
and what is wrong.
771
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,492
- At some point, you even
don't trust your own parents.
772
00:44:09,516 --> 00:44:11,083
- What happened in
Vernon is probably
773
00:44:11,170 --> 00:44:14,608
just a footnote compared
to what they're into now.
774
00:44:14,695 --> 00:44:16,305
- If it's not true...
775
00:44:18,917 --> 00:44:21,659
Is the truth darker?
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