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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:26,985 --> 00:00:30,072 I was walking down from our home to the post office, 2 00:00:30,155 --> 00:00:32,282 which is about three or four blocks, 3 00:00:32,366 --> 00:00:34,952 and standing out in the middle of the street, 4 00:00:35,035 --> 00:00:37,120 kind of slight built guy... 5 00:00:38,830 --> 00:00:42,292 I figured he was not an American. 6 00:00:42,376 --> 00:00:45,295 You could spot Europeans by the shoes. 7 00:00:45,379 --> 00:00:49,883 They were fashionable leather shoes, not cowboy boots. 8 00:00:52,344 --> 00:00:56,306 He said, "Do you live here?" And I said, "Yes, I live here." 9 00:00:56,390 --> 00:00:59,017 And he says, "They are coming. 10 00:01:00,477 --> 00:01:02,854 Others are going to be here." 11 00:01:02,938 --> 00:01:06,149 And he says, "This is going to be a lot of trouble. 12 00:01:06,233 --> 00:01:09,486 There's going to be many people here." 13 00:01:09,570 --> 00:01:12,197 And it sounded kind of incredulous. 14 00:01:12,281 --> 00:01:17,786 Who would expect that, you know, it could unfold the way it unfolded? 15 00:01:17,869 --> 00:01:23,750 You couldn't imagine that, in your dreams, initially, you know? 16 00:01:24,668 --> 00:01:28,630 Far scarier than anybody could have ever imagined. 17 00:01:45,188 --> 00:01:49,776 Antelope was a quiet little spot in the middle of nowhere. 18 00:01:52,904 --> 00:01:56,617 Pretty much isolated from everything. 19 00:02:08,795 --> 00:02:10,047 The city of Antelope... 20 00:02:11,048 --> 00:02:15,469 ...just a sleepy little old town that was comprised of about 50 people. 21 00:02:15,552 --> 00:02:17,971 And it was just small, quiet. 22 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,307 Had a post office. 23 00:02:23,393 --> 00:02:24,436 The store. 24 00:02:28,315 --> 00:02:29,816 The old school house. 25 00:02:33,695 --> 00:02:35,864 And the old church that was in Antelope. 26 00:02:40,827 --> 00:02:42,663 Antelope, it's definitely quiet. 27 00:02:52,297 --> 00:02:56,468 Everybody in Antelope knows everybody else. 28 00:02:56,551 --> 00:03:00,430 And everybody got along and everybody helped one another. 29 00:03:01,348 --> 00:03:06,478 There were community barbecues and community Christmas parties and whatnot. 30 00:03:07,938 --> 00:03:12,943 It was pretty much working class people that had retired 31 00:03:13,026 --> 00:03:16,780 and for the first time found a house they could afford to own. 32 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:23,662 They were just going to enjoy their final years in peace and quiet... 33 00:03:24,663 --> 00:03:28,708 ...and enjoy a certain degree of being alone. 34 00:04:04,494 --> 00:04:07,873 There was a little teeny article in the paper. 35 00:04:07,956 --> 00:04:10,625 It was just about two or three sentences. 36 00:04:10,709 --> 00:04:14,588 Like the rich man's guru with a Rolls Royce 37 00:04:14,671 --> 00:04:17,549 bought a ranch in Antelope, 38 00:04:17,632 --> 00:04:21,052 and I just thought that was crazy. 39 00:04:27,476 --> 00:04:29,644 I don't know how else to put it. 40 00:04:29,728 --> 00:04:34,107 They bought the Big Muddy Ranch, which was about 80,000 acres. 41 00:04:35,150 --> 00:04:38,820 Steep, rocky, rolling hillsides. 42 00:04:40,030 --> 00:04:41,907 It is wild and rugged. 43 00:04:46,536 --> 00:04:48,413 Out there, there's nothing, 44 00:04:48,497 --> 00:04:52,834 just a couple of little old buildings and 60,000 acres of rocks. 45 00:04:52,918 --> 00:04:56,463 People had no idea, you know, what they were really doing. 46 00:04:56,546 --> 00:05:00,592 We just heard that this cult had bought a-- 47 00:05:00,675 --> 00:05:02,552 Or it wasn't-- They didn't call it a cult then, did they? 48 00:05:02,636 --> 00:05:03,804 - No. No. - I don't know. 49 00:05:03,887 --> 00:05:07,015 A bunch of people had bought an agricultural commune, 50 00:05:07,098 --> 00:05:10,060 which seemed a little strange. 51 00:05:10,143 --> 00:05:12,062 And all of a sudden, the phone rings 52 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:14,981 and he said, "I'm a rancher up here and these guys come in," 53 00:05:15,065 --> 00:05:17,192 and he says, "You do everything you can do 54 00:05:17,275 --> 00:05:19,402 to keep those guys from getting in out there." 55 00:05:20,654 --> 00:05:22,697 What's going on here? 56 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:30,247 I thought a whole new world just opened up for me here apparently. 57 00:05:33,708 --> 00:05:36,002 We wondered, you know, who these people are. 58 00:05:36,878 --> 00:05:37,963 Why are they here? 59 00:05:39,047 --> 00:05:40,757 How long are they going to be here? 60 00:05:41,967 --> 00:05:44,261 You know, what's this about? 61 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:47,639 Right away, they tried to have all the roads around them closed 62 00:05:47,722 --> 00:05:49,224 so people couldn't come in. 63 00:05:49,307 --> 00:05:50,392 And then you started wondering, 64 00:05:50,475 --> 00:05:54,062 "Well, what is it that we're worshipping here?" 65 00:05:54,145 --> 00:05:56,773 And it wasn't long before the Bhagwan came 66 00:05:56,856 --> 00:05:59,901 and we got to see what it was. 67 00:06:39,441 --> 00:06:42,819 Some of my neighbors over towards Antelope could see 68 00:06:42,902 --> 00:06:47,741 all these building materials and mobile homes being moved in, 69 00:06:47,824 --> 00:06:50,160 truckload after truckload. 70 00:06:50,243 --> 00:06:54,372 And it was obvious that it wasn't needed to run a ranch. 71 00:07:07,886 --> 00:07:09,596 There were these rumors going around 72 00:07:09,679 --> 00:07:14,893 that his vision was a city of 50,000 in the desert somewhere. 73 00:07:14,976 --> 00:07:21,191 And the little deal got to be a big deal in just a matter of a week or two. 74 00:07:38,583 --> 00:07:43,338 A lot of people were suspicious that they had a long-term plan. 75 00:07:43,421 --> 00:07:48,551 Nobody could imagine that it would be something of the scale that unfolded. 76 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:03,191 I tell people now, you know, and they still don't believe you, 77 00:08:03,274 --> 00:08:05,819 'cause it's just too incredible. How could this happen? 78 00:08:05,902 --> 00:08:08,697 You know someone will write a book about this, 79 00:08:08,780 --> 00:08:12,200 and I will guarantee you that when that book comes out, 80 00:08:12,283 --> 00:08:14,995 the people that read it will say that it's fiction. 81 00:08:16,705 --> 00:08:19,499 We had no idea that we were going to run into 82 00:08:19,582 --> 00:08:22,711 the largest poisoning case in the history of the United States, 83 00:08:22,794 --> 00:08:24,963 into the largest wiretapping case, 84 00:08:25,046 --> 00:08:28,299 and the largest immigration fraud that had occurred in the United States. 85 00:09:37,410 --> 00:09:42,999 Early on when they first arrived here, they stopped in and introduced themselves, 86 00:09:43,083 --> 00:09:47,212 and their main thing was all we want to do is farm our ground, 87 00:09:47,295 --> 00:09:50,048 follow our religion, and be good neighbors. 88 00:09:50,131 --> 00:09:55,178 And I guess you would say the problem started when Sheela got here. 89 00:09:56,096 --> 00:09:59,474 Ma Anand Sheela controlled the Rajneesh Foundation 90 00:09:59,557 --> 00:10:01,351 and its tens of millions of dollars. 91 00:10:01,434 --> 00:10:02,435 Now the guru says... 92 00:10:02,519 --> 00:10:08,316 Ma Anand Sheela was the Bhagwan's personal secretary. 93 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:11,236 So, she was his spokesperson. 94 00:10:11,319 --> 00:10:15,657 She was, in my opinion, essentially running the whole commune. 95 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:18,827 The Bhagwan's top aide, Ma Anand Sheela, 96 00:10:18,910 --> 00:10:21,246 and a dozen or so other leaders of the commune 97 00:10:21,329 --> 00:10:23,414 are believed hiding in southern Germany. 98 00:10:23,498 --> 00:10:27,752 She had been involved with the Bhagwan for a large part of her life. 99 00:10:27,836 --> 00:10:30,380 I don't know if you want to say bred for the job, 100 00:10:30,463 --> 00:10:34,634 but certainly ingratiated into that circle 101 00:10:34,717 --> 00:10:38,721 to where she was a very trusted lieutenant. 102 00:10:38,805 --> 00:10:41,724 Federal prosecutors in this country asked the West German government 103 00:10:41,808 --> 00:10:45,270 to extradite Ma Anand Sheela to the United States. 104 00:10:45,353 --> 00:10:48,398 Sheela, a former secretary of the Bhagwan Rajneesh, 105 00:10:48,481 --> 00:10:51,568 faces charges of fraud and attempted murder in Oregon. 106 00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:56,030 She had her agenda and she couldn't believe anybody would get in her way. 107 00:10:59,242 --> 00:11:01,786 Do police know where Sheela is at this time? 108 00:11:02,912 --> 00:11:07,167 We're told that she's living in a forest somewhere outside Zurich. 109 00:11:15,133 --> 00:11:18,803 With every crown comes the guillotine. 110 00:11:21,180 --> 00:11:24,475 Without the guillotine, you cannot wear the crown. 111 00:11:26,269 --> 00:11:28,521 And it was my fate. 112 00:11:31,816 --> 00:11:36,237 But why do one has to put somebody under guillotine? 113 00:11:39,449 --> 00:11:42,410 Because of their strength. 114 00:11:43,244 --> 00:11:46,164 They want to destroy their strength. 115 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:51,461 And in spite of guillotine, they haven't killed me yet. 116 00:11:53,212 --> 00:11:56,215 They haven't killed my spirit yet. 117 00:11:59,802 --> 00:12:03,264 No matter where I go, I will always wear crown... 118 00:12:04,724 --> 00:12:08,227 while I'm not afraid of being under guillotine. 119 00:12:16,569 --> 00:12:22,450 I have been accused of a laundry list of heinous crimes. 120 00:12:23,576 --> 00:12:25,954 Of course, all of them attempted. 121 00:12:27,455 --> 00:12:30,333 Normally, I succeed in what I do. 122 00:12:32,543 --> 00:12:33,878 That is a joke. 123 00:12:35,129 --> 00:12:38,967 So the world has assassinated me 124 00:12:39,050 --> 00:12:42,512 and my character so often. 125 00:12:42,595 --> 00:12:44,597 I have nothing to lose. 126 00:12:46,057 --> 00:12:47,600 What have I to lose? 127 00:13:02,448 --> 00:13:04,784 My first meeting with Bhagwan... 128 00:13:05,743 --> 00:13:08,037 I was just a young girl of 16. 129 00:13:08,621 --> 00:13:15,169 We were all told by our father that we are going to go visit Bhagwan. 130 00:13:15,253 --> 00:13:20,466 He said that if this man lives long, he will be a second Buddha. 131 00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:23,970 He had Saraswati on his tongue. 132 00:13:24,846 --> 00:13:27,765 Goddess of knowledge on his tongue. 133 00:13:30,893 --> 00:13:34,105 And we went in his apartment. 134 00:13:35,231 --> 00:13:40,361 I sat in the back against the wall with my father. 135 00:13:41,696 --> 00:13:46,868 Living room had a beautiful December morning breeze coming in. 136 00:13:47,744 --> 00:13:51,372 All the walls were covered with hundreds of books. 137 00:13:52,957 --> 00:13:54,083 And... 138 00:13:55,793 --> 00:13:58,921 I saw Bhagwan and that was the end of me. 139 00:14:22,612 --> 00:14:26,115 Bhagwan came from back like this 140 00:14:26,199 --> 00:14:28,993 in his white shawl 141 00:14:29,077 --> 00:14:32,330 and a lungi and nothing underneath, 142 00:14:32,413 --> 00:14:34,874 with beautiful hairy chest. 143 00:14:35,917 --> 00:14:39,170 And then, all I realized 144 00:14:39,253 --> 00:14:43,424 that tears were rolling through my cheeks. 145 00:14:45,385 --> 00:14:49,555 I saw this smile and these open arms. 146 00:14:50,848 --> 00:14:55,520 And I just went into his arms. 147 00:14:57,271 --> 00:15:00,691 And my whole head melted. 148 00:15:09,617 --> 00:15:12,745 It was in this moment... 149 00:15:13,413 --> 00:15:15,373 if death would have come... 150 00:15:17,125 --> 00:15:18,626 I accept. 151 00:15:19,335 --> 00:15:23,381 My life was complete. My life was fulfilled. 152 00:15:35,977 --> 00:15:38,938 Roger and I, we married in 1966. 153 00:15:40,022 --> 00:15:43,067 And in those days, where we lived in Western Australia, 154 00:15:43,151 --> 00:15:47,280 it was absolutely normal that you got married and you had a family. 155 00:15:47,363 --> 00:15:52,493 So two years after we married, our son was born, Peter. 156 00:15:54,704 --> 00:15:57,457 But the dream we had been living... 157 00:15:57,999 --> 00:16:00,835 young people, they meet, they fall in love, 158 00:16:00,918 --> 00:16:03,004 they get married, they have children, 159 00:16:03,087 --> 00:16:04,547 they live happily ever after. 160 00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:07,592 Oh, it's not the way I think it is. 161 00:16:07,675 --> 00:16:08,551 It's different. 162 00:16:09,552 --> 00:16:12,388 And I was resentful and I was angry. 163 00:16:13,306 --> 00:16:16,517 Roger and I were having real issues in our marriage. 164 00:16:16,601 --> 00:16:19,896 I would bottle everything up, bottle it up, bottle it up, 165 00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:22,690 and then... ...I would just explode. 166 00:16:22,773 --> 00:16:26,694 I just said to myself, "I don't want to come to this place again. 167 00:16:26,777 --> 00:16:31,073 I don't like this. I got to do something about this." 168 00:16:31,157 --> 00:16:33,409 A neighbor, a young neighbor, 169 00:16:33,493 --> 00:16:37,580 had told me once about a psychologist at the public health department. 170 00:16:38,247 --> 00:16:39,790 And Roger came with me. 171 00:16:39,874 --> 00:16:42,084 I was very, very nervous, 172 00:16:42,168 --> 00:16:46,255 and this man came out of the little building and walked towards us. 173 00:16:46,839 --> 00:16:50,843 I didn't even notice that he was wearing a long orange robe... 174 00:16:50,927 --> 00:16:55,181 and a beaded necklace around-- I didn't even notice. 175 00:16:55,264 --> 00:16:58,142 He said, "You know, we're going to make a meditation center here. 176 00:16:58,226 --> 00:17:00,937 This is just small now. This is just the beginning. 177 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:03,231 And we're going to do a meditation." 178 00:17:03,314 --> 00:17:05,942 I was like, "Meditation? What's that?" 179 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:10,029 We were invited into the small building there. 180 00:17:10,780 --> 00:17:14,575 There were a number of other people also wearing orange clothes. 181 00:17:14,659 --> 00:17:19,205 And there were very large, um, photos of Bhagwan. 182 00:17:27,630 --> 00:17:29,549 Really luminous eyes... 183 00:17:30,132 --> 00:17:34,470 like... deep wells. 184 00:17:35,137 --> 00:17:40,476 The psychologist, he gave Roger and I a mask so that we couldn't see. 185 00:17:41,477 --> 00:17:46,607 Dynamic Meditation is a combination of Hinduism and psychotherapies. 186 00:17:47,608 --> 00:17:52,613 He had told us to breathe very fast and furiously 187 00:17:52,697 --> 00:17:54,532 in and out of the nose 188 00:17:54,615 --> 00:17:56,701 for the first part of the music. 189 00:17:56,784 --> 00:17:59,203 Rigorous breathing and hyperventilation 190 00:17:59,287 --> 00:18:03,457 is designed to arouse the serpent force called Kundalini. 191 00:18:03,541 --> 00:18:07,169 In the second part, we were to just let it all go. 192 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:11,966 Scream and shout if we felt like it. 193 00:18:13,217 --> 00:18:15,761 Whatever came, we just let it out. 194 00:18:16,387 --> 00:18:17,805 And then the third part, 195 00:18:17,888 --> 00:18:20,349 we were to put our hands over and jump up and down. 196 00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:24,061 And every time your feet hit the ground, you say, "Hoo! Hoo!" 197 00:18:24,979 --> 00:18:28,941 And then the fourth part... was a quiet part then. 198 00:18:29,025 --> 00:18:31,819 You just get very quiet and still. 199 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,700 But when it was over, I just cried. 200 00:18:37,783 --> 00:18:40,119 I just-- That was my release. 201 00:18:40,202 --> 00:18:41,912 I just cried. 202 00:18:42,538 --> 00:18:47,543 Roger sought me out among the group of people. 203 00:18:47,627 --> 00:18:51,505 It was quite a big group of people, and he was pulling on my clothes. 204 00:18:51,589 --> 00:18:57,178 He was pulling me really hard and he was shouting, "Come back! Come back!" 205 00:18:58,095 --> 00:18:59,639 But he was just hanging on 206 00:18:59,722 --> 00:19:02,725 and, "Come back! Come back." 207 00:19:16,864 --> 00:19:20,701 First you have to understand that the majority of Sannyasins today 208 00:19:20,785 --> 00:19:24,288 became Sannyasins after Osho died. 209 00:19:24,372 --> 00:19:29,126 They never saw him. They never heard him. They were never at the ranch. 210 00:19:30,378 --> 00:19:32,755 Those who were at the ranch... 211 00:19:34,715 --> 00:19:37,468 tend to share a bond. 212 00:19:39,428 --> 00:19:42,348 It's maybe like going through a war together or something, you know? 213 00:19:42,431 --> 00:19:46,227 You share a bond of having gone through an extremely intense experience 214 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:50,815 where you relate to each other... 215 00:19:53,067 --> 00:19:55,236 with a very, very deep connection and bond 216 00:19:55,319 --> 00:19:57,905 that's really sort of beyond family, you know? 217 00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:00,282 Uh... 218 00:20:00,366 --> 00:20:01,659 Love. 219 00:20:01,742 --> 00:20:03,244 Those of us who were there. 220 00:20:26,934 --> 00:20:29,311 I was born at the best time and the best place 221 00:20:29,395 --> 00:20:31,772 for anybody to be born in the history of the world. 222 00:20:32,773 --> 00:20:36,902 I was born in the United States in the late 40s, after the war, 223 00:20:36,986 --> 00:20:40,865 when middle class people finally broke through and could have a decent living, 224 00:20:40,948 --> 00:20:44,118 Where if you were smart, you didn't have to have money, you could get an education. 225 00:20:44,201 --> 00:20:45,870 So I went to law school. 226 00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:48,289 And, uh... 227 00:20:50,416 --> 00:20:51,667 I was smart. 228 00:20:52,835 --> 00:20:54,962 And I was aggressive, and I was hostile. 229 00:20:55,045 --> 00:20:59,467 And in that arena, for the first time in my life, it really paid off. 230 00:21:01,093 --> 00:21:06,682 I got recruited by a firm in Los Angeles, the Manatt firm. 231 00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:09,769 At the time, it was the fastest growing law firm in the United States. 232 00:21:10,644 --> 00:21:13,439 I was the second senior litigator. 233 00:21:13,522 --> 00:21:16,942 Really was good at cases. 234 00:21:17,651 --> 00:21:19,361 The adversary process. 235 00:21:19,445 --> 00:21:21,697 It was like I was born to do it. 236 00:21:22,364 --> 00:21:25,075 I represented Jack Kent Cooke and the Lakers, 237 00:21:25,159 --> 00:21:27,119 Linda Ronstadt. 238 00:21:27,203 --> 00:21:30,414 I had a big case for Shaun Cassidy. 239 00:21:30,498 --> 00:21:31,957 It was pretty cool. 240 00:21:32,041 --> 00:21:34,168 But I was working my ass off. 241 00:21:34,251 --> 00:21:37,922 I was fucking toast. I was done. 242 00:21:38,005 --> 00:21:41,801 I had a pal, one of my best friends, 243 00:21:41,884 --> 00:21:43,135 he was going to India. 244 00:21:43,219 --> 00:21:45,262 I actually picked him up when he came back, 245 00:21:45,346 --> 00:21:47,181 and we went up into the mountains. 246 00:21:47,264 --> 00:21:52,269 It was a '64 Volkswagen van, camp conversion, you know? 247 00:21:52,353 --> 00:21:54,980 He had, like, transformed. 248 00:21:55,064 --> 00:21:56,315 He had lost 20 years. 249 00:21:56,398 --> 00:21:58,192 His face had lightened up. 250 00:21:58,275 --> 00:22:00,569 He was smiling like a kid, you know? 251 00:22:00,653 --> 00:22:02,696 Sam brought along some tapes of Osho... 252 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,825 I had never heard tapes of Osho before. 253 00:22:07,743 --> 00:22:10,955 And I just knew that my life was changed. 254 00:22:21,924 --> 00:22:24,593 Bhagwan was very modern. 255 00:22:25,719 --> 00:22:27,012 Very hip. 256 00:22:27,096 --> 00:22:28,597 A fashion. 257 00:22:28,681 --> 00:22:32,142 He appealed to the intellectuals. 258 00:22:32,226 --> 00:22:39,191 Intellectuals who were tired of the tradition and mundane lifestyle. 259 00:22:39,817 --> 00:22:45,239 The time that I came to know Bhagwan, he was on full power. 260 00:22:45,322 --> 00:22:48,659 It was unstoppable power. 261 00:22:59,795 --> 00:23:03,299 Bhagwan went and spoke to small groups of people 262 00:23:03,382 --> 00:23:06,635 and there he found some followers. 263 00:23:06,719 --> 00:23:09,888 Cream of the society, he attracted. 264 00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:41,712 He started then publishing his own books. 265 00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:46,884 And before we know it... 266 00:23:48,844 --> 00:23:51,138 he was bigger than a rock star. 267 00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:03,025 Stadiums were full. 268 00:24:03,108 --> 00:24:06,779 I would say 20,000, 30,000 people. 269 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:12,826 I remember one day it started raining, 270 00:24:12,910 --> 00:24:16,580 and few people started getting up... 271 00:24:18,207 --> 00:24:20,167 and one shout from Bhagwan... 272 00:24:21,210 --> 00:24:26,715 "So these are the seekers. They can't take a few drops of rain." 273 00:24:27,883 --> 00:24:31,011 Everybody stood there. 274 00:24:31,095 --> 00:24:33,097 There was a pin drop silence. 275 00:24:34,264 --> 00:24:36,266 And he carried on talking. 276 00:24:51,031 --> 00:24:53,617 And we went to this lecture. 277 00:24:54,243 --> 00:24:58,664 And suddenly, Bhagwan calls me in the front. 278 00:24:58,747 --> 00:25:02,626 I was sitting half a meter away from his feet. 279 00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:06,588 He blessed me, and he said, 280 00:25:06,672 --> 00:25:10,509 "Sheela, you are in love with me 281 00:25:10,592 --> 00:25:12,886 and I am in love with you." 282 00:25:15,723 --> 00:25:18,392 He was not shy of provocation. 283 00:25:21,645 --> 00:25:28,068 He spoke on spirituality, capitalism, sexuality. 284 00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:33,449 He was so revolutionary. 285 00:25:44,668 --> 00:25:47,045 More and more Westerners were coming out. 286 00:25:50,466 --> 00:25:54,386 He wanted to create an international commune. 287 00:25:55,804 --> 00:26:00,517 A community where he can meditate and create an energy field. 288 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,397 So Bhagwan then decided to move to Poona. 289 00:26:09,318 --> 00:26:11,987 It was a necessity to be near him. 290 00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:15,908 His physical body was so important to us all. 291 00:26:39,765 --> 00:26:42,059 I became very impatient 292 00:26:42,142 --> 00:26:45,062 to go to India to meet Bhagwan. 293 00:26:45,145 --> 00:26:47,564 Some people who came to the meditation center 294 00:26:47,648 --> 00:26:50,859 had been for a visit and come back. 295 00:26:50,943 --> 00:26:54,112 They were talking about the ashram, about Bhagwan 296 00:26:54,196 --> 00:26:57,199 and that you could sit at his feet. 297 00:26:57,282 --> 00:27:03,539 And I developed this need to sit at the feet of my master. 298 00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:09,253 And at some point I just said, "I'm going to India." 299 00:27:09,336 --> 00:27:13,465 After-- After I got divorced, I really-- 300 00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:17,177 When I'd get up in the morning, I'd think, "What am I doing?", you know? 301 00:27:17,261 --> 00:27:18,470 What am I doing? 302 00:27:18,554 --> 00:27:21,139 Eating too much, drinking too much. 303 00:27:21,223 --> 00:27:23,100 Working too much. 304 00:27:23,183 --> 00:27:24,393 For what? 305 00:27:24,476 --> 00:27:26,895 I then decided enough is enough. I resigned my partnership. 306 00:27:26,979 --> 00:27:31,275 People thought I was crazy to walk away from the gold mine. 307 00:27:31,358 --> 00:27:33,694 So I went to India. 308 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,912 I remember the first time I flew into India. 309 00:27:43,996 --> 00:27:45,664 I come off the plane. I'm in a taxi. 310 00:27:46,248 --> 00:27:47,624 It's these two-lane roads 311 00:27:47,708 --> 00:27:53,213 and these Indian truck drivers and bus drivers all dodging each other. 312 00:27:55,549 --> 00:27:57,551 From the very beginning, I was completely overwhelmed. 313 00:27:57,634 --> 00:27:59,553 So many people, 314 00:27:59,636 --> 00:28:03,891 so many different smells, fragrances, all mixed up, 315 00:28:03,974 --> 00:28:05,601 and noise. 316 00:28:06,602 --> 00:28:10,022 And there's the biggest slums like you could never have seen in your life. 317 00:28:10,105 --> 00:28:15,193 And in the middle of that, there is this... ashram. 318 00:28:17,905 --> 00:28:19,114 And there was a gate. 319 00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:25,829 When the gate opened and I walked through with Roger, 320 00:28:25,913 --> 00:28:27,581 it was into another world. 321 00:28:27,664 --> 00:28:30,250 It was really peaceful. 322 00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:32,711 It was very green, lush green. 323 00:28:32,794 --> 00:28:35,297 There were little groups of people in orange 324 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:40,302 sitting around or standing around talking quietly to each other. 325 00:28:40,385 --> 00:28:42,554 It was a real oasis. 326 00:28:42,638 --> 00:28:47,309 And Bhagwan's house was just visible through the greenery. 327 00:28:47,976 --> 00:28:49,269 There was a huge sense of... 328 00:28:52,231 --> 00:28:55,275 "Finally, I've made it." 329 00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:58,946 It was a sunny day, beautiful. 330 00:28:59,821 --> 00:29:03,617 There was lots of trees, these beautiful old trees, 331 00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:06,828 full of parrots, like thousands of parrots, 332 00:29:06,912 --> 00:29:13,293 and all of these people, a sea of people, walking, wearing maroon robes. 333 00:29:13,377 --> 00:29:15,254 But it was a very gentle movement, you know? 334 00:29:15,337 --> 00:29:16,922 People talking to people. 335 00:29:17,005 --> 00:29:21,385 People sitting and having a cup of tea. People hugging. 336 00:29:21,468 --> 00:29:23,887 I just wanted to be there. 337 00:29:23,971 --> 00:29:26,890 I felt like I had arrived. 338 00:29:26,974 --> 00:29:30,143 I felt like after a life 339 00:29:30,227 --> 00:29:35,232 of being somewhere where I felt I don't belong here... 340 00:29:35,315 --> 00:29:37,943 ...including my family, 341 00:29:38,026 --> 00:29:40,112 I felt like I had come home. 342 00:30:38,253 --> 00:30:41,006 Bhagwan gave a discourse every morning, 343 00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:46,428 and that was the first time that I actually physically saw Bhagwan. 344 00:30:46,511 --> 00:30:53,518 In those days, Bhagwan wore a very austere white robe, 345 00:30:53,602 --> 00:30:56,480 long sleeves down to his ankles. 346 00:30:56,563 --> 00:30:58,940 He had a long beard. 347 00:30:59,024 --> 00:31:01,485 He certainly looked the part of the sage. 348 00:31:01,568 --> 00:31:07,574 And he came out of that door with his hands joined in the namaste, 349 00:31:07,657 --> 00:31:09,534 which is a greeting, 350 00:31:09,618 --> 00:31:13,538 and moved from the door to his chair. 351 00:31:13,622 --> 00:31:18,877 And for me it seemed as though he didn't touch the ground. 352 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,837 He just glided there. 353 00:31:21,671 --> 00:31:27,177 There was a slight movement in his beard from the movement that he made. 354 00:31:27,928 --> 00:31:29,221 And then he sat down. 355 00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:57,499 I was leaning up against the mosquito nets at the back. 356 00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:01,044 I was a nobody. 357 00:32:02,462 --> 00:32:05,715 And it was so powerful to listen to him and be with him. 358 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,092 It was so powerful. 359 00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:11,847 I can't even remember how I-- What I thought, 360 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,683 but I found myself sitting at Bhagwan's feet. 361 00:32:15,434 --> 00:32:17,060 And then he spoke to me. 362 00:32:26,778 --> 00:32:30,157 I'm not special in any sense. 363 00:32:31,575 --> 00:32:34,995 I'm not claiming that I am the son of God. 364 00:32:35,078 --> 00:32:41,376 I'm simply saying one thing: that I was asleep, now I am awake. 365 00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:46,006 You are asleep and you can be awake also. 366 00:32:46,089 --> 00:32:52,095 I will go on trying to help people to be awake. 367 00:32:52,179 --> 00:32:54,639 The awakened man will be the new man. 368 00:32:56,892 --> 00:32:59,019 He will not be Christian. he will not be Hindu. 369 00:32:59,102 --> 00:33:01,897 He will not be Muhammadan. He will not be Indian. 370 00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:04,316 He will not be German. He will not be English. 371 00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:07,819 He will be simply an awakened being. 372 00:33:09,946 --> 00:33:12,532 Bhagwan wanted to create a new man. 373 00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:24,127 A new man that lives in harmony with one another... 374 00:33:24,211 --> 00:33:27,297 lives in harmony with nature, 375 00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:30,550 where all nationalities, 376 00:33:30,634 --> 00:33:32,344 all colors, 377 00:33:32,427 --> 00:33:34,387 all religions... 378 00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:36,640 sit together. 379 00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:41,686 This new man has only respect for one another. 380 00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:47,359 The East has remained lopsided because of the so-called spirituality. 381 00:33:47,442 --> 00:33:52,531 It has remained poor, unscientific, without any technology. 382 00:33:52,614 --> 00:33:55,617 And the West has chosen materialism. 383 00:33:58,620 --> 00:34:02,332 But man is very empty and meaningless. 384 00:34:02,415 --> 00:34:07,254 Without spirituality, there will be no center. 385 00:34:07,337 --> 00:34:10,090 Man is falling apart. 386 00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:14,636 The Western man... is half. 387 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,888 The Eastern man is half. 388 00:34:16,972 --> 00:34:20,642 My effort here is to create the whole man. 389 00:34:20,725 --> 00:34:24,062 The average guru rejects everything, 390 00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:27,607 all material, all sexuality. 391 00:34:28,441 --> 00:34:31,945 In old days, that brand worked. 392 00:34:32,028 --> 00:34:35,156 You could sell it off good. Good. 393 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:37,742 But now we are in a modern time. 394 00:34:37,826 --> 00:34:42,497 Bhagwan was... attacking all this. 395 00:34:43,373 --> 00:34:48,128 You can be spiritual without rejection. 396 00:34:48,211 --> 00:34:50,380 Now there are two ways: 397 00:34:50,463 --> 00:34:53,258 Either repress sex as it has been done 398 00:34:53,341 --> 00:34:57,804 by all the so-called religious traditions of the world 399 00:34:57,887 --> 00:35:00,765 or transform it. 400 00:35:00,849 --> 00:35:03,059 I am for transformation. 401 00:35:03,143 --> 00:35:06,896 Hence, I teach my Sannyasins to be creative. 402 00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:10,400 Create music, create poetry, 403 00:35:10,483 --> 00:35:13,862 create painting, create pottery... 404 00:35:13,945 --> 00:35:16,114 Create something! 405 00:35:16,197 --> 00:35:20,702 Whatever you do, do it with great creativeness. 406 00:35:22,078 --> 00:35:24,080 Bring something new into existence... 407 00:35:25,248 --> 00:35:28,543 and your sex will be fulfilled on a higher plane. 408 00:35:28,627 --> 00:35:31,880 It was, for me, as though a door burst open, 409 00:35:31,963 --> 00:35:35,008 because Bhagwan was very eclectic. He was very well read. 410 00:35:35,091 --> 00:35:37,677 He was a professor of philosophy, 411 00:35:37,761 --> 00:35:42,515 and he spoke about things I'd never heard of before. 412 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:45,101 And he spoke about all different religions. 413 00:35:45,185 --> 00:35:48,021 He spoke about Buddha and he spoke about Zarathustra, 414 00:35:48,104 --> 00:35:52,275 and I was very attracted to his irreverence. 415 00:35:52,359 --> 00:35:54,444 I found that very refreshing. 416 00:35:54,527 --> 00:35:56,821 For me, that was, ah, wonderful. 417 00:35:56,905 --> 00:35:58,365 You can laugh about things. 418 00:35:58,448 --> 00:36:01,076 You don't have to cry all the time about life. 419 00:36:04,746 --> 00:36:08,917 He was controversial and very popular. 420 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,754 He had qualities that were immense. 421 00:36:12,837 --> 00:36:17,634 When you would sit with him in a hall with six-- 7,000 people... 422 00:36:17,717 --> 00:36:23,223 and everybody in the room who was open to him is stoned. 423 00:36:23,306 --> 00:36:27,519 I mean "stoned" in the sense that when after the discourse, 424 00:36:27,602 --> 00:36:31,314 people would get up to leave and they would stumble if they got up too quickly. 425 00:36:31,398 --> 00:36:37,070 He would channel this incredible energy into people. 426 00:36:38,988 --> 00:36:44,244 You have to be given a safe place from where you can work. 427 00:36:44,327 --> 00:36:47,539 A place where ordinary things, 428 00:36:47,622 --> 00:36:51,209 taboos, inhibitions are put aside. 429 00:36:52,919 --> 00:36:54,838 And this is only the beginning. 430 00:36:56,423 --> 00:36:59,217 Many, many more are going to come. 431 00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:00,468 They are on the way. 432 00:37:02,178 --> 00:37:03,805 The others who will come... 433 00:37:05,807 --> 00:37:08,727 The coming of millions more... 434 00:37:09,352 --> 00:37:12,605 Hence, your responsibility is great, 435 00:37:12,689 --> 00:37:15,692 because you will be preparing the way. 436 00:37:15,775 --> 00:37:20,947 Everybody felt that they were there at the beginning of the great experiment. 437 00:37:23,908 --> 00:37:26,035 And we really saw it had the potential 438 00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:28,830 to transform the consciousness of the planet. 439 00:37:29,581 --> 00:37:31,875 We really did feel... 440 00:37:34,294 --> 00:37:37,088 like we were the chosen people. 441 00:37:37,172 --> 00:37:41,801 We are materialist spiritualists. 442 00:37:41,885 --> 00:37:45,930 Nothing like this has ever happened in the world. 443 00:37:46,014 --> 00:37:49,893 This is a new experiment, a new beginning. 444 00:37:51,102 --> 00:37:53,438 And it has a great future for it. 445 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,665 I had basically a business finance background. 446 00:38:15,877 --> 00:38:19,881 I got a job working in a international bank on One Wall Street. 447 00:38:22,008 --> 00:38:25,428 I wanted to create this holistic community, 448 00:38:25,512 --> 00:38:29,849 and I had wanted to do that long before I was a Sannyasin. 449 00:38:29,933 --> 00:38:33,645 I establish a company called Neo-Balance 450 00:38:33,728 --> 00:38:37,023 to facilitate the flow of goods to India 451 00:38:37,106 --> 00:38:42,695 and lay in the basic infrastructure for that community to thrive on. 452 00:38:44,197 --> 00:38:47,951 At the time, we were coming into the Vietnam era. 453 00:38:50,829 --> 00:38:55,750 And what we were being told by our government, by our culture 454 00:38:55,834 --> 00:38:57,961 wasn't exactly what was going on. 455 00:38:59,128 --> 00:39:03,466 We were expected to go to college, get a job, raise a family, 456 00:39:03,550 --> 00:39:05,927 and people were beginning to question 457 00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:10,974 the validity of our religions, our governments. 458 00:39:11,057 --> 00:39:14,727 And I think that's what so many of the youngsters at that time 459 00:39:14,811 --> 00:39:19,691 were rebelling against and looking inward to find these answers. 460 00:39:20,608 --> 00:39:23,111 For many, the human potential movement 461 00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:26,823 is the most significant social invention of the century. 462 00:39:26,906 --> 00:39:29,742 The human potential movement has become a business, 463 00:39:29,826 --> 00:39:31,035 an underground religion, 464 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:34,080 a counterculture, a grassroots phenomenon 465 00:39:34,163 --> 00:39:37,542 attracting hundreds of thousands of ordinary people. 466 00:39:38,751 --> 00:39:43,006 To the human potentialists, self-realization, enlightenment, 467 00:39:43,089 --> 00:39:45,925 creativity, spiritual development, 468 00:39:47,093 --> 00:39:49,637 this, they say, could become our future. 469 00:39:49,721 --> 00:39:53,474 Osho was part of the New Age awakening that was happening. 470 00:39:53,558 --> 00:39:57,020 And inside of the ashram in Poona, 471 00:39:57,103 --> 00:40:01,524 there were the most dynamic New Age therapies 472 00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:03,693 that were existing any place in the world. 473 00:40:06,571 --> 00:40:11,367 Circulating through India were these Europeans and Americans 474 00:40:11,451 --> 00:40:15,455 who were coming in to see what the East was like. 475 00:40:15,538 --> 00:40:18,207 It's like this, for me, is my family, my home. 476 00:40:18,291 --> 00:40:21,336 It's rich, it's abundant, it's... 477 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:23,087 There's nothing in the West for me now. 478 00:40:23,171 --> 00:40:25,798 I was studying other spiritual philosophies 479 00:40:25,882 --> 00:40:31,387 and doing the whole Berkeley esoteric bullshit that goes on there. 480 00:40:31,471 --> 00:40:34,057 And then, a friend of mine came back from Poona... 481 00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:37,477 and I saw so much change in her. 482 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,812 I felt like she had found what I'd been looking for. 483 00:40:39,896 --> 00:40:42,065 So I went to Poona to find out. 484 00:40:43,566 --> 00:40:46,861 This was providing a steady flow of income 485 00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:50,990 to satisfy the needs of a very growing community. 486 00:40:55,495 --> 00:40:58,873 Bhagwan did understand finances. 487 00:40:58,957 --> 00:41:04,587 The Westerner came with dollars instead of rupees. 488 00:41:04,671 --> 00:41:08,675 Meditation was a product. 489 00:41:08,758 --> 00:41:12,053 It was the product that brought the money 490 00:41:12,136 --> 00:41:15,890 to do the work he had in mind to do. 491 00:41:21,396 --> 00:41:23,606 I was not a meditator. 492 00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:25,483 I don't have interest in this. 493 00:41:25,566 --> 00:41:27,151 It's not my cup of tea. 494 00:41:27,235 --> 00:41:29,529 I like working. 495 00:41:29,612 --> 00:41:33,616 But it was not a conflict between me and Bhagwan. 496 00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:36,953 I knew his marketing ability. 497 00:41:37,036 --> 00:41:40,331 I knew how to create organization... 498 00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:45,003 how to create capitalistic working community. 499 00:41:45,712 --> 00:41:48,256 Sheela was smart. She was enjoyable. 500 00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:49,966 She was cunning. 501 00:41:50,049 --> 00:41:51,759 She had a feel for power. 502 00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:53,344 She was very charming. 503 00:41:53,428 --> 00:41:56,139 She knew how to deal with people. 504 00:41:56,222 --> 00:41:59,100 She knew how to operate a new commune. 505 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,396 And money was needed. 506 00:42:03,479 --> 00:42:07,358 We needed housing. We needed to buy new land. 507 00:42:12,447 --> 00:42:14,198 And I come up with the idea. 508 00:42:14,282 --> 00:42:18,786 Here is at least three-- 4,000 Sannyasins... 509 00:42:20,496 --> 00:42:22,790 and they can loan us the money. 510 00:42:22,874 --> 00:42:28,254 And we set up overnight a little bank with card system. 511 00:42:29,714 --> 00:42:32,717 It was definitely a big cash flow. 512 00:42:35,970 --> 00:42:40,308 We were floating several hundred thousand dollars... 513 00:42:41,142 --> 00:42:43,603 and that's a lot of money for India. 514 00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:51,235 All communes in the past have died because of this stupid idea 515 00:42:51,319 --> 00:42:54,614 that you should not create wealth. 516 00:42:55,823 --> 00:43:01,245 Bhagwan's teaching was we don't have to isolate ourselves, 517 00:43:01,329 --> 00:43:04,207 sit in the Himalayas, and meditate. 518 00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:07,668 We should be part of the marketplace. 519 00:43:08,628 --> 00:43:13,341 Now 1,500 Sannyasins are working in the commune. 520 00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:15,510 They need clothes. 521 00:43:15,593 --> 00:43:16,803 They need medicine. 522 00:43:16,886 --> 00:43:18,638 They need everything. 523 00:43:20,181 --> 00:43:22,725 This commune is going to live, 524 00:43:22,809 --> 00:43:26,187 and the only way for it to live is to be rich. 525 00:43:27,355 --> 00:43:29,982 The more we do, the bigger we become. 526 00:43:30,066 --> 00:43:32,318 We were getting hordes of people. 527 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:38,991 Followers started coming over the wall. 528 00:43:39,075 --> 00:43:40,910 There was no stop. 529 00:43:44,705 --> 00:43:47,166 Bhagwan was observing me. 530 00:43:48,376 --> 00:43:50,753 He wanted to test me, 531 00:43:50,837 --> 00:43:56,676 and I never felt that I was not adequate to say what I want to say to him. 532 00:44:00,012 --> 00:44:02,515 Hindsight, I can say... 533 00:44:03,558 --> 00:44:05,351 he had a close eye on me. 534 00:44:10,982 --> 00:44:15,653 One of the first things we did was to go to the front office. 535 00:44:15,736 --> 00:44:19,240 This was a glass-fronted office. 536 00:44:19,323 --> 00:44:22,201 When you came in the front gate, it was right there. 537 00:44:23,202 --> 00:44:29,667 There was a very tiny Indian woman sitting in a very big chair in the middle. 538 00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:31,961 She was clearly the boss there. 539 00:44:32,044 --> 00:44:35,506 And they told us this is Laxmi. This is Bhagwan's secretary. 540 00:44:35,590 --> 00:44:41,429 Being personal secretary to Osho was more than you might think. 541 00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:48,352 Osho's personal secretary was primarily responsible for administering everything. 542 00:44:48,436 --> 00:44:54,942 Role of personal secretary of Bhagwan is you carried the cross for him. 543 00:44:55,026 --> 00:44:56,527 It's a mad role. 544 00:44:56,611 --> 00:45:01,574 And Laxmi's role was be Bhagwan's spokesperson. 545 00:45:02,742 --> 00:45:07,830 The perception from the outside was that it was a classless society. 546 00:45:07,914 --> 00:45:09,373 But when you actually went to the ashram, 547 00:45:09,457 --> 00:45:15,046 you found that there were people who had different degrees of power. 548 00:45:15,546 --> 00:45:20,343 So I went to the office to ask for work. 549 00:45:20,426 --> 00:45:25,932 Laxmi had to her right-hand side a very vivacious young Indian woman. 550 00:45:26,015 --> 00:45:28,517 And that was the first time I met Sheela. 551 00:45:29,018 --> 00:45:31,395 She said to me, "Oh, you want to work? 552 00:45:31,479 --> 00:45:34,649 Oh, very good. We need a responsible cleaner." 553 00:45:35,274 --> 00:45:36,776 Cleaner? 554 00:45:36,859 --> 00:45:39,362 I came all this way to clean? 555 00:45:40,488 --> 00:45:44,283 And cleaning public toilets was my job for the first year. 556 00:45:48,496 --> 00:45:54,293 Bhagwan didn't want people who were coming for mental entertainment. 557 00:45:54,377 --> 00:45:58,464 He wanted people who can support a community. 558 00:45:58,547 --> 00:46:03,469 We amassed in the early days highly trained intellectuals, 559 00:46:03,552 --> 00:46:06,764 doctors, lawyers, city planners. 560 00:46:08,557 --> 00:46:11,519 I mean, our vision was to create a community 561 00:46:11,602 --> 00:46:16,941 that could be used as an example for what was possible in the world. 562 00:46:17,024 --> 00:46:20,695 This will be the first Sannyasin city. 563 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,408 Within five years, 50,000 Sannyasins will be there. 564 00:46:27,118 --> 00:46:31,288 And within ten years, 100,0000 Sannyasins will be there. 565 00:46:32,748 --> 00:46:36,961 Bhagwan wanted to create a new commune, a Buddhafield. 566 00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:40,881 This Buddhafield was a promised land. 567 00:46:43,384 --> 00:46:47,680 So we were looking for land that had that potential 568 00:46:47,763 --> 00:46:51,225 to sustain a large enough population 569 00:46:51,308 --> 00:46:52,977 and had the potential to grow. 570 00:46:53,978 --> 00:46:58,190 We had to have enough space for 10,000 people. 571 00:46:58,274 --> 00:47:03,821 We needed housing facility and Bhagwan needs to move on 572 00:47:03,904 --> 00:47:06,949 to a different plateau, different level. 573 00:47:08,451 --> 00:47:12,621 Bhagwan sent Laxmi out to look for new land, 574 00:47:12,705 --> 00:47:17,543 and he said not to come back until she has finished the deal. 575 00:47:18,377 --> 00:47:20,379 He sent Laxmi to Delhi... 576 00:47:21,881 --> 00:47:22,715 Kutch... 577 00:47:22,798 --> 00:47:24,133 Bombay. 578 00:47:26,218 --> 00:47:28,054 The problem was... 579 00:47:28,137 --> 00:47:32,224 it was time of Mrs. Ghandi, the prime minister. 580 00:47:33,142 --> 00:47:38,147 And politically, we came into this gridlock. 581 00:47:39,356 --> 00:47:44,320 They saw us as a threat to their society. 582 00:47:46,363 --> 00:47:51,160 And I'm thinking here he is, this fantastic spiritual teacher 583 00:47:51,243 --> 00:47:55,664 who can't even, in his own country, be able to express himself. 584 00:47:56,791 --> 00:47:58,501 It was in Poona time. 585 00:47:58,584 --> 00:48:02,213 There was a fundamental Hindu 586 00:48:02,296 --> 00:48:05,174 who stood up in the middle of the discourse 587 00:48:05,257 --> 00:48:07,718 and threw a knife at Bhagwan. 588 00:48:10,179 --> 00:48:12,264 Knife didn't hit Bhagwan, 589 00:48:12,348 --> 00:48:14,433 but it was a close call. 590 00:48:15,226 --> 00:48:18,646 It was clear then to Bhagwan 591 00:48:18,729 --> 00:48:21,857 that now we have to take other measures 592 00:48:21,941 --> 00:48:27,279 to protect him, his ashram, and his people. 593 00:48:27,363 --> 00:48:31,033 At that point, I go into his library 594 00:48:31,117 --> 00:48:34,161 and get a copy of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. 595 00:48:34,245 --> 00:48:38,999 The United States gives the rights for all people to practice a religion. 596 00:48:39,083 --> 00:48:44,839 And I'm thinking getting out of India was something that we should really explore. 597 00:48:50,678 --> 00:48:53,848 One evening, I come out of the shower 598 00:48:53,931 --> 00:48:55,599 and telephone message had come. 599 00:48:55,683 --> 00:48:59,019 And I was called to Bhagwan's room. 600 00:49:05,651 --> 00:49:10,781 And he said, "Sheela, you come in the front." 601 00:49:11,991 --> 00:49:16,287 And he asked me, "What do you think about Laxmi?" 602 00:49:18,205 --> 00:49:24,336 I said to Bhagwan, "I don't see a good hope there." 603 00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:29,550 Laxmi was not capable of organizing a land for him. 604 00:49:30,551 --> 00:49:35,931 And he asked me, "Where do you take man like Bhagwan?" 605 00:49:37,183 --> 00:49:41,437 So then I said, "Maybe I would know how to deal in America." 606 00:49:42,313 --> 00:49:45,774 It was like he was shining. 607 00:49:45,858 --> 00:49:47,860 And I tell Bhagwan 608 00:49:47,943 --> 00:49:53,240 it was my conviction that in U.S. we will have no problems. 609 00:49:54,491 --> 00:49:59,747 The Constitution, I thought, was very sacred. 610 00:49:59,830 --> 00:50:04,126 And then he says "Sheela, I have something for you." 611 00:50:05,419 --> 00:50:08,255 He put his hand on my head. 612 00:50:09,215 --> 00:50:10,966 I just looked at him... 613 00:50:11,759 --> 00:50:14,428 tears rolling from my eyes. 614 00:50:15,512 --> 00:50:21,518 And then he says, "Sheela, you are my new secretary." 615 00:50:23,562 --> 00:50:26,106 And the next thing he says, 616 00:50:26,190 --> 00:50:29,652 "Okay, look for a place in America." 617 00:50:34,365 --> 00:50:36,283 It was in '68. 618 00:50:36,367 --> 00:50:39,119 I was 17 years old. 619 00:50:39,203 --> 00:50:45,000 Our father told us, "I am sending you to learn in America." 620 00:50:45,084 --> 00:50:47,628 What excited me about America? 621 00:50:50,256 --> 00:50:52,591 Everything, I guess, in that moment. 622 00:50:54,677 --> 00:50:58,013 America was land of promise. 623 00:50:58,097 --> 00:51:04,061 I was fascinated with the idea of freedom, 624 00:51:04,144 --> 00:51:07,856 to see the equality among men and women. 625 00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:12,236 And color... was important. 626 00:51:14,947 --> 00:51:18,242 In my first class, 627 00:51:18,325 --> 00:51:20,786 in Montclair State College, 628 00:51:20,869 --> 00:51:23,622 I met my husband, Mark. 629 00:51:23,706 --> 00:51:25,249 He was not Chinmaya yet. 630 00:51:28,794 --> 00:51:30,004 A beautiful man. 631 00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:32,381 My first love. 632 00:51:33,757 --> 00:51:39,471 He had a totally Jewish humor that used to make me laugh. 633 00:51:40,389 --> 00:51:42,141 I would have stomachache. 634 00:51:46,562 --> 00:51:49,231 We enjoyed walking on Canal Street, 635 00:51:49,315 --> 00:51:50,899 these huge buildings, 636 00:51:50,983 --> 00:51:54,862 eating pickles, you know, from the big barrel. 637 00:51:54,945 --> 00:51:56,989 And I felt so good. 638 00:52:04,538 --> 00:52:06,457 But he was a sick man. 639 00:52:07,708 --> 00:52:10,878 Mark had Hodgkin's disease. 640 00:52:10,961 --> 00:52:13,964 He battled with it 13 years. 641 00:52:16,258 --> 00:52:21,138 Death was a naked sword, and it was always there sitting. 642 00:52:22,890 --> 00:52:25,059 Night before he died, 643 00:52:25,142 --> 00:52:27,436 I look myself in the mirror 644 00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,856 and I suddenly see my face grey. 645 00:52:30,939 --> 00:52:34,360 I knew something was wrong with Chinmaya then. 646 00:52:36,862 --> 00:52:38,822 And I said to Bhagwan, 647 00:52:38,906 --> 00:52:41,200 "I think Chinmaya is dying." 648 00:52:42,284 --> 00:52:44,620 And he said, "You feel correct. 649 00:52:46,622 --> 00:52:52,961 But I don't want you to have tears in your eyes 650 00:52:53,045 --> 00:52:59,343 because if he sees tears, it will become difficult for him to die." 651 00:53:06,725 --> 00:53:12,564 And I did not let a tear fall in front of Chinmaya. 652 00:53:17,319 --> 00:53:21,615 I have not known sorrow as deep as that. 653 00:53:32,459 --> 00:53:37,714 Bhagwan told the doctors to put me to sleep for three days. 654 00:53:39,383 --> 00:53:42,636 When I woke up after three days... 655 00:53:43,345 --> 00:53:46,890 he says, "This chapter is finished. 656 00:53:49,101 --> 00:53:53,647 Now you bury yourself in the work." 657 00:54:00,654 --> 00:54:05,951 There came a day when Bhagwan announced to us, a discourse in the morning, 658 00:54:06,034 --> 00:54:10,038 that now enough of us were ready to commune with him in silence 659 00:54:10,122 --> 00:54:12,541 and that he would not be speaking anymore. 660 00:54:15,836 --> 00:54:17,838 Unheard of. Unbelievable. 661 00:54:17,921 --> 00:54:19,840 But he stopped speaking. 662 00:54:20,883 --> 00:54:24,386 And there's this Sannyasin sitting next to me in the garden for breakfast. 663 00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:26,930 I said, "How's Osho?" And she said, "He's in silence." 664 00:54:27,014 --> 00:54:30,184 I had come all this way to sit in front of him and listen, 665 00:54:30,267 --> 00:54:31,435 and he's in silence. 666 00:54:31,518 --> 00:54:35,522 And that also meant seclusion. He wasn't seeing people. 667 00:54:37,649 --> 00:54:39,693 When he goes into silence, 668 00:54:39,776 --> 00:54:41,487 who's gonna speak? 669 00:54:41,570 --> 00:54:45,657 When Bhagwan stopped giving public lectures, 670 00:54:45,741 --> 00:54:49,786 I became his spokesperson as his secretary. 671 00:54:49,870 --> 00:54:52,789 Everything was put on my shoulder. 672 00:54:53,415 --> 00:54:59,838 We did not want Bhagwan to come under any direct conflict with law. 673 00:54:59,922 --> 00:55:04,635 And this is why I was given power of attorney, 674 00:55:04,718 --> 00:55:08,055 irrevocable power of attorney. 675 00:55:08,138 --> 00:55:11,225 One gives such powers 676 00:55:11,308 --> 00:55:15,437 only to someone that one trusts so immensely. 677 00:55:19,274 --> 00:55:23,820 I had a big meeting with my team. 678 00:55:23,904 --> 00:55:27,157 I declared that we are going to America. 679 00:55:28,617 --> 00:55:33,288 I said, "Understand what it means... 680 00:55:33,914 --> 00:55:37,000 to take this giant tree... 681 00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:43,340 that is in middle of India... 682 00:55:43,924 --> 00:55:48,887 spread out his branches and roots." 683 00:55:48,971 --> 00:55:53,433 It was massive danger involved. 684 00:55:53,517 --> 00:55:57,020 I had to present to these people 685 00:55:57,104 --> 00:56:00,983 what it means to hold your tongues. 686 00:56:01,066 --> 00:56:05,153 No one should have a little bit of idea of what's going on, 687 00:56:05,237 --> 00:56:10,117 because if people know, it won't happen. 688 00:56:11,618 --> 00:56:14,121 I went to Bombay. 689 00:56:14,204 --> 00:56:17,583 I started application to the visa. 690 00:56:19,876 --> 00:56:21,587 I went to Immigration. 691 00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:24,840 I said, "I want to speak to you in person." 692 00:56:24,923 --> 00:56:28,594 I can see the paper in front of my eyes, 693 00:56:28,677 --> 00:56:33,932 this long telex where they say grant Bhagwan a visa. 694 00:56:36,893 --> 00:56:42,399 My boss at the booking office called to come outside. 695 00:56:43,567 --> 00:56:46,653 And we looked at him questioningly, 696 00:56:46,737 --> 00:56:51,158 but... we should just stay. 697 00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:54,745 And the next thing, the gate opened 698 00:56:54,828 --> 00:56:58,707 and Bhagwan's white armored Rolls Royce 699 00:56:58,790 --> 00:57:00,709 drove out of the gate, 700 00:57:00,792 --> 00:57:03,754 down the driveway, 701 00:57:03,837 --> 00:57:05,464 and out of the ashram gate. 702 00:57:06,590 --> 00:57:12,054 In the four years I was in India, he had never ever gone out of the ashram, 703 00:57:12,137 --> 00:57:13,889 and suddenly he was gone. 704 00:57:14,598 --> 00:57:19,436 And we had to go in the middle of the night to the airport. 705 00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:25,067 We had taken a 747... 706 00:57:25,817 --> 00:57:26,902 Pan-Am, 707 00:57:26,985 --> 00:57:31,156 and upstairs, blocked it completely for him. 708 00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:36,870 This is this beautiful photo where I poured him my first drink, 709 00:57:36,954 --> 00:57:39,081 a glass of champagne. 710 00:57:40,666 --> 00:57:44,836 And then he took the bottle in his hand. 711 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,713 "Now for my Sheela." 712 00:57:46,797 --> 00:57:50,968 And he poured me and gave it to me. 713 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,512 And we left India. 714 00:58:01,228 --> 00:58:02,354 The god has fled. 715 00:58:03,230 --> 00:58:06,733 It seems that Bhagwan left the ashram in Poona on the 1st of June 716 00:58:06,817 --> 00:58:09,569 without warning and without saying goodbye. 717 00:58:09,653 --> 00:58:12,864 His followers have been given no idea of his whereabouts. 718 00:58:12,948 --> 00:58:15,993 Informed speculation places him in the United States. 719 00:58:16,076 --> 00:58:17,619 So I get back to L.A., 720 00:58:17,703 --> 00:58:20,539 and I didn't know what I was going to be doing, you know? 721 00:58:20,622 --> 00:58:24,626 I was hanging out with an old girlfriend on a Sunday morning, 722 00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:28,839 and I remember I was drinking coffee and eating pastries in bed with her. 723 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,759 And she brings in the L.A. Times. 724 00:58:33,552 --> 00:58:36,596 And there was this big article by Russell Chandler. 725 00:58:37,806 --> 00:58:40,225 Osho was in the United States. 726 00:58:49,151 --> 00:58:53,321 Slowly but surely, everything that was movable in the ashram 727 00:58:53,405 --> 00:58:56,491 was dismantled and sold and taken away. 728 00:58:56,575 --> 00:59:01,371 I had taken my children, my husband, and gone to India to live with Bhagwan. 729 00:59:02,706 --> 00:59:07,878 Everything I had known, my whole world was taken apart. 730 00:59:07,961 --> 00:59:13,967 I pick up the phone and call 503 information, 731 00:59:14,051 --> 00:59:19,139 and I said, "I want to talk to those people in Central Oregon." 732 00:59:19,222 --> 00:59:21,099 And she said, "Hold on, I'll connect you." 733 00:59:22,350 --> 00:59:25,395 Everybody knew who he was and what was going on. 734 00:59:25,479 --> 00:59:28,190 And I just said, "Listen, I'm a lawyer in L.A. 735 00:59:28,273 --> 00:59:31,985 I took sannyas recently and I want to know what I can do." 736 00:59:32,903 --> 00:59:35,322 Thirty seconds later, I was talking to Sheela. 737 00:59:37,157 --> 00:59:40,035 And she said, "Are you admitted in Oregon?" 738 00:59:40,118 --> 00:59:41,161 I said, "No." 739 00:59:41,244 --> 00:59:44,206 She said, "Get admitted to Oregon and come up here." 740 00:59:44,915 --> 00:59:46,166 And so I did. 741 00:59:54,966 --> 00:59:59,763 Bhagwan, he was porcelain... 742 00:59:59,846 --> 01:00:01,598 very fragile... 743 01:00:03,266 --> 01:00:04,726 very precious... 744 01:00:06,686 --> 01:00:08,980 millions of years old. 745 01:00:10,482 --> 01:00:16,780 And I was lucky enough to have the responsibility 746 01:00:16,863 --> 01:00:20,117 to transport him from one country to another... 747 01:00:20,951 --> 01:00:22,327 at a very young age. 748 01:00:23,286 --> 01:00:25,664 It was an adventure of my life. 749 01:00:43,765 --> 01:00:47,811 I-- Yeah, I felt as though someone had pulled the rug out from under my feet. 750 01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:51,231 But I was determined to wait. 751 01:00:51,314 --> 01:00:52,941 I knew he would come back. 752 01:00:54,943 --> 01:00:58,029 Because if he didn't come back, what was I going to do? 753 01:00:58,113 --> 01:01:00,949 Well, he didn't come back. 754 01:01:01,032 --> 01:01:02,951 He didn't come back for seven years. 755 01:01:04,161 --> 01:01:08,456 Rajneeshpuram is a big living opera. 756 01:01:08,540 --> 01:01:10,292 Sheela a soprano. 757 01:01:11,459 --> 01:01:12,878 Bhagwan a tenor. 758 01:01:13,712 --> 01:01:16,256 Rajneeshpuram the setting. 759 01:01:16,339 --> 01:01:21,553 Operas are, at the end, always tragic. 760 01:01:22,721 --> 01:01:28,518 But there were so many facets, so many dimensions in this opera. 761 01:01:28,602 --> 01:01:32,022 I would like to say, "People of Oregon... 762 01:01:32,981 --> 01:01:38,653 think yourselves lucky that this opera came your way." 64409

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