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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,965 --> 00:00:08,967 [intriguing music plays] 2 00:00:13,096 --> 00:00:13,972 [car door shuts] 3 00:00:19,352 --> 00:00:22,439 -Hi. Nice to meet you. -Hi, Lauren. Nice to meet you. 4 00:00:24,441 --> 00:00:26,484 [Cecilie] Thank you so much for speaking to me 5 00:00:26,568 --> 00:00:29,487 because we found you through the restraining order that you filed, 6 00:00:29,571 --> 00:00:33,366 so I'm, like, really curious, like, what was your relationship to Chris? 7 00:00:33,992 --> 00:00:37,620 So, I was in a romantic relationship with him, and I was defrauded. 8 00:00:37,704 --> 00:00:38,538 Yeah. 9 00:00:39,706 --> 00:00:45,253 I've had some bad relationships before, but nothing to this magnitude. 10 00:00:46,212 --> 00:00:52,385 By the end of it, I was terrified because I have no idea who this person was. 11 00:00:52,469 --> 00:00:54,471 [tense music plays] 12 00:00:58,641 --> 00:01:00,477 So how did you guys meet? 13 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,813 We connected on Instagram. So that's kind of where it all started. 14 00:01:03,897 --> 00:01:06,232 -Did he reach out on Instagram or did it-- -Yes. Yeah. 15 00:01:06,316 --> 00:01:10,195 He had a lot of pictures of him just being very active, 16 00:01:10,278 --> 00:01:15,158 and I probably talked to him maybe two, three months on Instagram. 17 00:01:15,241 --> 00:01:19,037 He said he was an ex-baseball player for the LA Dodgers. 18 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,497 And I was very impressed with that. 19 00:01:20,580 --> 00:01:23,124 So after two or three months of just chatting, 20 00:01:23,208 --> 00:01:24,793 he actually came to visit me, 21 00:01:24,876 --> 00:01:27,462 because he lived in California, and I lived in Arizona. 22 00:01:27,545 --> 00:01:29,255 [quirky music plays] 23 00:01:29,339 --> 00:01:32,884 [Lauren] The first time I saw him, I remember thinking he was really tall, 24 00:01:32,967 --> 00:01:36,179 he was really in shape, and he dressed well. 25 00:01:36,262 --> 00:01:41,851 And he just had this charisma about him where he just carried himself really well. 26 00:01:43,269 --> 00:01:46,731 We spent the whole weekend together, and it was great. 27 00:01:46,815 --> 00:01:49,526 It was exactly who I was texting and talking to. 28 00:01:49,609 --> 00:01:50,652 He was attentive. 29 00:01:51,861 --> 00:01:55,073 He opened the car door for me, opened the restaurant door for me. 30 00:01:55,782 --> 00:02:00,161 Just the Southern gentleman that I really saw myself settling down with. 31 00:02:01,579 --> 00:02:05,917 After that first trip, he texted me and asked me to be his girlfriend. 32 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,587 At the time, I thought that was just really romantic and sweet. 33 00:02:09,671 --> 00:02:13,216 I said, "Let's give this a try. Why not? What's the worst that could happen?" 34 00:02:15,009 --> 00:02:16,302 [music ends] 35 00:02:16,386 --> 00:02:21,474 I just immediately just felt like he was somebody I had been looking for. 36 00:02:21,558 --> 00:02:25,436 Like, he was just so charismatic, and persuasive, and intelligent. 37 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,398 Over the course of three months, he came to visit me four or five times. 38 00:02:28,481 --> 00:02:31,568 -Oh, wow! -Yeah, so he was very persistent. 39 00:02:31,651 --> 00:02:33,653 [upbeat orchestral music plays] 40 00:02:34,362 --> 00:02:36,406 [Lauren] I was quite impressed by him. 41 00:02:36,489 --> 00:02:40,660 He had several years of being a professional baseball player. 42 00:02:42,996 --> 00:02:44,706 We had a deep friendship. 43 00:02:44,789 --> 00:02:47,125 I felt like I had known him for years. 44 00:02:48,585 --> 00:02:50,837 I definitely felt very happy. 45 00:02:52,088 --> 00:02:54,340 But the honeymoon stage didn't last very long. 46 00:02:54,966 --> 00:02:56,968 [melancholy music plays] 47 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,722 [Lauren] One day, when he came to visit me, 48 00:03:00,805 --> 00:03:04,267 he was complaining about his accounts being frozen. 49 00:03:04,851 --> 00:03:06,603 It was frozen due to fraud. 50 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:09,939 I've had fraud happen several times in my life, 51 00:03:10,023 --> 00:03:14,027 and I've had cards freeze randomly and didn't think anything of it. 52 00:03:15,403 --> 00:03:18,573 He would go on and on and complain, "I don't know what I'm going to do." 53 00:03:18,656 --> 00:03:20,658 "I've never been in this position." 54 00:03:20,742 --> 00:03:25,205 "And my rent is past due because of this account-freezing issue." 55 00:03:28,249 --> 00:03:30,210 I lent him money. 56 00:03:30,293 --> 00:03:35,131 It was little by little, $800 here, $1,200 there. 57 00:03:37,258 --> 00:03:41,554 At the time, I just thought it was just a great guy that was down on his luck, 58 00:03:41,638 --> 00:03:43,306 that was having issues. 59 00:03:43,389 --> 00:03:47,060 I said, "Once your accounts are unfrozen, are you able to pay me everything?" 60 00:03:47,143 --> 00:03:49,395 And he said, "It's not a big deal." 61 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:53,107 "I have $160,000 in an account back home 62 00:03:53,191 --> 00:03:56,194 for a sign-on bonus from when I was an LA Dodger." 63 00:03:56,778 --> 00:04:00,240 "Once I get that, I'll just transfer it to your bank." 64 00:04:00,323 --> 00:04:02,450 [music ends] 65 00:04:02,533 --> 00:04:05,954 Eventually, you know, two months in, I sat there and I started adding it up. 66 00:04:06,037 --> 00:04:07,580 -[Cecilie] Yeah. -And I'm like, okay. 67 00:04:07,664 --> 00:04:10,041 I-- This is not a normal thing. 68 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:13,253 And I started pressing him for, like, a timeline. 69 00:04:13,336 --> 00:04:15,838 -To give me some type of answer. -[Cecilie] Yeah. 70 00:04:15,922 --> 00:04:19,509 And it was always defensive, it was always excuses. 71 00:04:19,592 --> 00:04:21,594 [foreboding music plays] 72 00:04:23,429 --> 00:04:26,557 One day, I was in town in LA. 73 00:04:27,475 --> 00:04:30,186 I figured, why don't I just go say hi? 74 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:32,146 [police sirens blaring in distance] 75 00:04:33,106 --> 00:04:36,067 The area was unsafe, like, car alarms going on. 76 00:04:36,150 --> 00:04:37,277 [car alarms sounding] 77 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,780 [Lauren] I walked up to his apartment, and he had several deadbolts, 78 00:04:40,863 --> 00:04:43,116 which I feel like it's not standard. 79 00:04:45,285 --> 00:04:48,663 He opened the door, immediately walked in, 80 00:04:48,746 --> 00:04:51,332 dead bolted the door, looked around. 81 00:04:51,416 --> 00:04:54,168 My stomach was turning. It was just like, there's something wrong. 82 00:04:55,461 --> 00:04:59,173 I started kind of asking him about that, and his responses were just, 83 00:04:59,257 --> 00:05:01,092 "Oh, I'm always traveling." 84 00:05:01,175 --> 00:05:03,594 He asked me to spend the night, I refused. 85 00:05:04,679 --> 00:05:07,015 Who is this person that I'm dating? 86 00:05:07,098 --> 00:05:10,268 If he's so successful, then it's not adding up. 87 00:05:12,812 --> 00:05:14,522 And I'm starting to panic. 88 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:19,652 [tense music plays] 89 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,656 [Lauren] The next thing I know, my card was maxed out. 90 00:05:24,490 --> 00:05:26,492 I called the bank immediately. 91 00:05:27,660 --> 00:05:31,956 I found out that Chris had taken tens of thousands of dollars. 92 00:05:34,542 --> 00:05:35,877 When he would come and visit, 93 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,172 I believe he was using my laptop when I wasn't around, 94 00:05:39,255 --> 00:05:44,469 and he was logging on to my online banking and requesting cash advances. 95 00:05:44,552 --> 00:05:47,555 And as soon as the cash advances were available in my account, 96 00:05:47,638 --> 00:05:49,974 he was transferring them to his account. 97 00:05:51,809 --> 00:05:55,063 I started getting extremely angry with him 98 00:05:55,146 --> 00:06:00,401 and started asking him a lot of questions, and that's when he lost it. 99 00:06:00,485 --> 00:06:04,947 That's when Chris started becoming extremely irate and angry with me. 100 00:06:06,074 --> 00:06:09,786 He started threatening me. He said, "I know where you live, where you work." 101 00:06:09,869 --> 00:06:12,872 "Things will be so bad for you. They'll be so terrible." 102 00:06:12,955 --> 00:06:14,165 -Yeah, I know. -What? 103 00:06:14,248 --> 00:06:15,666 I know, it's wild. 104 00:06:15,750 --> 00:06:18,252 It escalated in a very short period of time. 105 00:06:18,336 --> 00:06:19,837 [ominous music plays] 106 00:06:19,921 --> 00:06:21,631 [Lauren] Chris was not who I thought he was. 107 00:06:21,714 --> 00:06:24,592 He was not the person that I was falling in love with. 108 00:06:27,428 --> 00:06:30,264 He kept saying, "Things are going to be so bad for you." 109 00:06:31,516 --> 00:06:33,184 He was threatening my livelihood. 110 00:06:33,851 --> 00:06:35,311 He knew where I lived. 111 00:06:36,562 --> 00:06:39,857 I moved out of my apartment because I was terrified. 112 00:06:39,941 --> 00:06:41,609 At one point, I actually switched cars 113 00:06:41,692 --> 00:06:44,654 because I didn't know what he was capable of. 114 00:06:45,655 --> 00:06:51,202 Chris went from the Southern gentleman to someone that was terrorizing me, 115 00:06:51,285 --> 00:06:55,540 that was so scary to the point of me having to get a restraining order. 116 00:06:56,416 --> 00:07:00,837 I felt like he would definitely try to hurt me, absolutely. 117 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,922 [dramatic music plays] 118 00:07:03,923 --> 00:07:05,508 [Cecilie] It's horrendous. 119 00:07:05,591 --> 00:07:07,385 How much money was it? 120 00:07:07,468 --> 00:07:09,595 I believe over $50,000. 121 00:07:09,679 --> 00:07:11,431 -A lot of money. -Yeah. 122 00:07:11,514 --> 00:07:13,182 So after the restraining order, 123 00:07:13,266 --> 00:07:16,394 did you ever go to the police regarding the money that he took? 124 00:07:16,477 --> 00:07:18,229 -Yes. -What did they tell you? 125 00:07:18,813 --> 00:07:22,525 [Lauren] I've contacted several different police agencies. 126 00:07:22,608 --> 00:07:25,987 I did a police report trying to explain everything that happened, 127 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:28,656 and they just really dismissed my whole story. 128 00:07:28,739 --> 00:07:31,659 I tried for a very long time, and I just gave up. 129 00:07:32,243 --> 00:07:34,495 [Cecilie] Would you be willing to give a statement? 130 00:07:34,579 --> 00:07:35,413 Yes. 131 00:07:35,496 --> 00:07:37,290 [curious music plays] 132 00:07:37,373 --> 00:07:40,293 [Lauren] The impact that he's had on my life, 133 00:07:40,376 --> 00:07:42,879 it's been one of the most, if not the most, 134 00:07:42,962 --> 00:07:45,214 traumatic experiences that I've ever had. 135 00:07:46,257 --> 00:07:50,136 I still have PTSD sometimes when I see people that look like him. 136 00:07:50,219 --> 00:07:51,095 I kind of flinch. 137 00:07:51,179 --> 00:07:56,934 It's just… something that will probably be with me my entire life. 138 00:07:57,018 --> 00:08:00,563 I just hope he's prosecuted and I hope someone does something about it. 139 00:08:03,274 --> 00:08:05,401 [Lindsay] After what Chris did to me, 140 00:08:05,485 --> 00:08:09,238 I was feeling, like, really helpless with my life. 141 00:08:10,323 --> 00:08:12,950 That's when I, like, started… 142 00:08:14,952 --> 00:08:17,538 really thinking about, like, what I was gonna do. 143 00:08:19,081 --> 00:08:19,916 [exhales] 144 00:08:21,584 --> 00:08:24,795 [sighs] Like, if I hurt myself… 145 00:08:26,881 --> 00:08:28,591 maybe that would just be easier. 146 00:08:29,967 --> 00:08:32,220 [unsettling music plays] 147 00:08:32,303 --> 00:08:33,804 I'm such a strong person. 148 00:08:33,888 --> 00:08:36,349 I've gone through so much in my life that, like, 149 00:08:36,933 --> 00:08:39,435 never did I ever think about, like, giving up. 150 00:08:45,775 --> 00:08:47,777 [intriguing music plays] 151 00:08:53,824 --> 00:08:54,784 [chimes] 152 00:08:57,036 --> 00:08:58,287 [chimes] 153 00:09:02,667 --> 00:09:03,626 [chimes] 154 00:09:05,419 --> 00:09:06,546 [chimes] 155 00:09:08,047 --> 00:09:10,049 [music intensifies] 156 00:09:24,855 --> 00:09:29,193 -[Cecilie] Hi. Jim? Hi. Nice to meet you. -Hey. Yeah. How you doing? 157 00:09:29,277 --> 00:09:31,112 -[Cecilie] Just sit over here? -Absolutely. 158 00:09:31,195 --> 00:09:32,863 [Cecilie] Thank you for talking to me, 159 00:09:32,947 --> 00:09:35,908 'cause we have been looking into Chris Lloyd. 160 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:39,412 And I've heard that you might have known him back in the day. 161 00:09:39,495 --> 00:09:42,290 Chris and I met in June of 2012. 162 00:09:42,373 --> 00:09:43,207 [Cecilie] Okay. 163 00:09:43,291 --> 00:09:45,918 Um, we were playing for a team in Canada, 164 00:09:46,002 --> 00:09:47,545 the London Rippers, 165 00:09:48,129 --> 00:09:51,132 and, uh, Chris and I were teammates for a month and a half, almost two months. 166 00:09:51,215 --> 00:09:55,803 He was an outstanding, I mean, outstanding athlete on the baseball field. 167 00:09:55,886 --> 00:09:58,055 Very charming to be around. 168 00:09:58,139 --> 00:10:00,933 [Cecilie] Yeah, I've seen videos of him. He looks good. 169 00:10:02,101 --> 00:10:04,979 The London Rippers is an independent baseball team. 170 00:10:05,855 --> 00:10:08,608 The lowest rung from Major League Baseball, let's just say that. 171 00:10:08,691 --> 00:10:13,654 He says that he played then for the Dodgers in the Major League. 172 00:10:13,738 --> 00:10:16,490 -Do you know anything about that? -That's not true. 173 00:10:16,574 --> 00:10:19,076 -Whoa. -He played probably 20 games with us. 174 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,620 -Thirteen at bats. -[Cecilie] Mm. 175 00:10:20,703 --> 00:10:22,496 [Jim] And that's the only experience 176 00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:25,541 that I've known him to have in professional baseball. 177 00:10:27,043 --> 00:10:28,961 I'm always, you know, looking at old teammates, 178 00:10:29,045 --> 00:10:31,339 trying to figure out what they're doing for work. 179 00:10:31,422 --> 00:10:34,383 I only know maybe five or six guys that made it to the big leagues. 180 00:10:34,467 --> 00:10:36,302 -Out of all the years that I played. -Whoa. 181 00:10:36,385 --> 00:10:40,723 Chris has been accused of defrauding two women out of more than $100,000. 182 00:10:41,390 --> 00:10:43,517 You know, it's actually baffling to me. 183 00:10:43,601 --> 00:10:46,562 From what I can remember, he was just a very likable guy. 184 00:10:46,646 --> 00:10:50,733 But baseball guys in general, there's a big ego about them. 185 00:10:50,816 --> 00:10:53,861 They all have the same goal, right? To make it to the big leagues. 186 00:10:53,944 --> 00:10:57,948 All that sacrifice for 20-something years, and then not reaching the ultimate goal, 187 00:10:58,032 --> 00:11:00,326 it's pretty… pretty detrimental for somebody. 188 00:11:00,409 --> 00:11:02,411 [gentle music plays] 189 00:11:03,287 --> 00:11:04,872 [Cecilie] We have proven that 190 00:11:04,955 --> 00:11:07,750 he never played for any major league baseball. 191 00:11:07,833 --> 00:11:09,460 He never played for the Dodgers. 192 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:13,631 And maybe that's why he was targeting women outside of LA. 193 00:11:16,509 --> 00:11:19,595 Even though you felt you failed in life 194 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,598 and you didn't get the life that you feel like you deserve, 195 00:11:22,682 --> 00:11:24,934 it's not okay to destroy other people's lives. 196 00:11:25,518 --> 00:11:29,146 Even for Jim, he thought that Chris was just a friendly guy. 197 00:11:29,230 --> 00:11:31,273 But this is how they are. 198 00:11:31,357 --> 00:11:34,652 These fraudsters, they are likable people. 199 00:11:34,735 --> 00:11:36,445 That's why they're dangerous. 200 00:11:44,412 --> 00:11:46,414 [tense music plays] 201 00:11:47,665 --> 00:11:51,293 [Brianne] We know Chris lied about being a major league baseball player. 202 00:11:52,837 --> 00:11:55,798 But the way he got money from Lindsay was through investments. 203 00:11:58,592 --> 00:12:00,302 First, I need to establish 204 00:12:00,386 --> 00:12:02,972 whether Chris Lloyd is a licensed investment broker 205 00:12:03,055 --> 00:12:04,432 in the state of California. 206 00:12:05,599 --> 00:12:11,772 If he is, he should be listed in the FINRA regulatory agency search. 207 00:12:11,856 --> 00:12:13,524 Let's see if he is. 208 00:12:14,275 --> 00:12:16,527 [Lindsay] He knew tons about banking, 209 00:12:16,610 --> 00:12:22,241 money, credit, loans, just all sorts of financial knowledge. 210 00:12:23,409 --> 00:12:25,411 Made me feel safe in the investment. 211 00:12:26,412 --> 00:12:27,580 [Brianne] No results. 212 00:12:29,623 --> 00:12:32,001 But maybe he was working independently. 213 00:12:34,211 --> 00:12:36,255 Chris told Lindsay 214 00:12:36,338 --> 00:12:40,718 that he had investment opportunities for her through Planet 13. 215 00:12:43,721 --> 00:12:45,264 They're an established company, 216 00:12:45,347 --> 00:12:48,058 one of the biggest weed dispensaries in the US. 217 00:12:50,186 --> 00:12:54,690 But he told Lindsay her check would be sent from Landmark Associates. 218 00:12:54,774 --> 00:12:57,151 So that's who we need to look into. 219 00:12:57,234 --> 00:13:01,614 When he was supposed to pay me, I asked, "Where's this check coming from?" 220 00:13:01,697 --> 00:13:03,949 And he said, "Landmark Associates." 221 00:13:04,033 --> 00:13:06,202 [Brianne] All right, so let's call Landmark. 222 00:13:08,871 --> 00:13:11,624 [sighs] No one's available to take my call. 223 00:13:11,707 --> 00:13:14,001 I couldn't find an email address on their website. 224 00:13:14,084 --> 00:13:15,711 That doesn't sound right. 225 00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:17,922 I'll definitely have to dig a bit deeper with this. 226 00:13:18,005 --> 00:13:19,548 This is not making sense. 227 00:13:19,632 --> 00:13:21,759 [dramatic music plays] 228 00:13:25,971 --> 00:13:28,224 [Brianne] Oh, this is interesting. 229 00:13:31,352 --> 00:13:34,313 A civil lawsuit filed by a female plaintiff 230 00:13:34,396 --> 00:13:38,400 against both Chris Lloyd and the Landmark Associates. 231 00:13:38,484 --> 00:13:40,903 The allegation? Fraud. 232 00:13:43,239 --> 00:13:45,241 [intriguing music plays] 233 00:13:46,033 --> 00:13:50,496 [Brianne] Hey, Cee, I found a civil suit of a woman suing Chris for fraud. 234 00:13:51,121 --> 00:13:55,501 She doesn't wanna be identified, but her lawyer has agreed to meet with me. 235 00:13:55,584 --> 00:13:56,418 Scott? 236 00:13:56,502 --> 00:13:58,754 -Hi, Brianne Joseph, private investigator. -Scott. 237 00:13:58,838 --> 00:13:59,839 Nice to meet you. 238 00:14:01,715 --> 00:14:05,219 My partner, Cecilie, and I are investigating Christopher Lloyd, 239 00:14:05,302 --> 00:14:08,347 and, um, I understand you have a court case open with him. 240 00:14:08,430 --> 00:14:09,849 Absolutely correct. 241 00:14:09,932 --> 00:14:12,685 So my client knew Christopher Lloyd. 242 00:14:12,768 --> 00:14:15,771 -I believe they met on a dating website. -[Brianne] Okay. 243 00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:18,440 [Scott] He represented that he was a broker. 244 00:14:18,524 --> 00:14:21,694 He could take money, invest it, and give high returns 245 00:14:21,777 --> 00:14:25,823 at a business organization he called Landmark Associates. 246 00:14:25,906 --> 00:14:27,032 Yeah. Yeah. 247 00:14:27,116 --> 00:14:28,659 It's funny you mention Landmark 248 00:14:28,742 --> 00:14:31,203 because I've been trying to get in touch with Landmark. 249 00:14:31,287 --> 00:14:34,164 Do you think it's a legitimate company? Are they closed? Open? 250 00:14:34,248 --> 00:14:35,541 What do you know about Landmark? 251 00:14:36,208 --> 00:14:40,045 Christopher Lloyd is a bad person in so many ways. 252 00:14:40,129 --> 00:14:42,089 -[Brianne] Yeah. -But he can be clever, right? 253 00:14:42,172 --> 00:14:43,757 You can google Landmark Associates 254 00:14:43,841 --> 00:14:48,137 and probably find a "Landmark Associates" business 255 00:14:48,220 --> 00:14:49,722 in any state. 256 00:14:49,805 --> 00:14:53,058 I looked at the Landmark Associates 257 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:57,104 at the address that he said there was a Landmark Associates, 258 00:14:57,187 --> 00:14:59,189 and there just simply wasn't one there. 259 00:15:00,441 --> 00:15:04,945 My client gave to Christopher about $50,000 to $60,000 260 00:15:05,029 --> 00:15:07,907 with the expectation that he would return some of that money… 261 00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:10,326 -…with interest as an investment. -Yeah. 262 00:15:10,409 --> 00:15:14,914 [Scott] But when he could not pay my client back, 263 00:15:14,997 --> 00:15:18,292 he would say, "Your Venmo is not working." 264 00:15:18,375 --> 00:15:20,252 "Your PayPal is not working." 265 00:15:20,336 --> 00:15:21,337 -So… -Okay. 266 00:15:21,420 --> 00:15:24,465 Before I thought to reach out to Christopher, 267 00:15:24,965 --> 00:15:28,928 I wanted to get all the background I could on him before making initial contact. 268 00:15:29,011 --> 00:15:30,262 [Brianne] Of course, yeah. 269 00:15:30,763 --> 00:15:35,893 I sent subpoenas to Zelle, Venmo, and PayPal. 270 00:15:35,976 --> 00:15:38,729 What'd you learn from that information? 271 00:15:38,812 --> 00:15:40,981 [Scott] Between Zelle, Venmo, and PayPal, 272 00:15:41,065 --> 00:15:47,237 he had received $300,000 just in one year from multiple female victims. 273 00:15:47,321 --> 00:15:49,156 That's insane. 274 00:15:50,074 --> 00:15:50,908 [Scott] Yeah. 275 00:15:50,991 --> 00:15:54,870 If we can talk to these victims and perhaps get statements from them, 276 00:15:54,954 --> 00:15:58,415 that just makes our ability to present these cases that much stronger. 277 00:15:58,499 --> 00:16:01,335 Hopefully we can give him some real consequences. 278 00:16:01,418 --> 00:16:03,295 Okay. Thank you so much. 279 00:16:03,379 --> 00:16:05,172 Of course. I hope you get him. 280 00:16:05,255 --> 00:16:06,256 [Brianne] Thank you. 281 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:09,385 -[cell phone ringing] -[Brianne] Hey, Cecilie. 282 00:16:10,427 --> 00:16:15,057 Guess how much he has taken from multiple women thus far. 283 00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:20,980 Around $300,000 within a year span, approximately. 284 00:16:21,063 --> 00:16:22,731 This is horrendous. 285 00:16:24,566 --> 00:16:28,654 [Brianne] Can you imagine how much money in total this man has taken so far? 286 00:16:28,737 --> 00:16:32,449 We need to see if we can contact these women and get their statements. 287 00:16:35,369 --> 00:16:37,538 [cell phone ringing] 288 00:16:38,497 --> 00:16:40,708 -[Cecilie] Hi, Rhiannon. -[Rhiannon] Oh, hi there. 289 00:16:40,791 --> 00:16:43,127 -[Brianne] Hi, Robin. -[Robin] Hello. 290 00:16:43,210 --> 00:16:45,713 I'm investigating Chris Lloyd. 291 00:16:46,463 --> 00:16:49,717 [Rhiannon] I met Chris on an online dating app. 292 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,721 And he was easy to talk to, and he used to play sports. 293 00:16:53,804 --> 00:16:55,556 Like, very smart. 294 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:57,975 [Robin] We had this good, healthy relationship. 295 00:16:58,058 --> 00:17:01,478 He was professional and had his shit together, basically. 296 00:17:01,562 --> 00:17:02,438 Yeah. 297 00:17:02,521 --> 00:17:06,025 [Rhiannon] He really showed concern about my future, 298 00:17:06,108 --> 00:17:07,609 like, retirement, 299 00:17:07,693 --> 00:17:11,864 and started talking about, um, like, a residual dividend account, 300 00:17:11,947 --> 00:17:14,450 something that I would live off the interest. 301 00:17:14,533 --> 00:17:16,160 You know, he just made it sound so easy. 302 00:17:16,744 --> 00:17:19,204 [Robin] Everything was in writing, a legal contract. 303 00:17:19,288 --> 00:17:23,917 I was completely convinced this was my boyfriend at this point. You know? 304 00:17:24,001 --> 00:17:25,836 Yeah, and he looked legitimate. 305 00:17:25,919 --> 00:17:28,672 He seemed to be legitimate with what his story was. 306 00:17:29,757 --> 00:17:31,842 How much did he scam you out of? 307 00:17:31,925 --> 00:17:34,553 [Robin] Probably $75,000. 308 00:17:34,636 --> 00:17:36,722 Oh my God. That's a lot of money. 309 00:17:36,805 --> 00:17:39,892 [Robin] I filed a police report, but they didn't do anything. 310 00:17:39,975 --> 00:17:43,812 [Rhiannon] I can't believe that I gave him $150,000 for investment. 311 00:17:44,938 --> 00:17:46,106 I went to the police, 312 00:17:46,190 --> 00:17:48,817 but, you know, there's still kind of the shock factor, like, 313 00:17:48,901 --> 00:17:49,985 this happened to me. 314 00:17:51,570 --> 00:17:54,782 Do you have any idea where he's living at right now? 315 00:17:54,865 --> 00:17:56,075 [Robin] No. 316 00:17:56,158 --> 00:17:58,035 Where do you think he might be? 317 00:17:58,118 --> 00:18:00,829 -[Rhiannon] I don't know. He's slippery. -No. Mm. Yeah. 318 00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:02,331 He's just a snake. 319 00:18:05,876 --> 00:18:08,128 [Brianne] No one has seen Chris in months. 320 00:18:10,214 --> 00:18:11,965 But if we can't find him, 321 00:18:12,049 --> 00:18:15,469 we've got no chance of the police taking on Lindsay's case. 322 00:18:15,552 --> 00:18:17,554 [tense music plays] 323 00:18:19,348 --> 00:18:22,935 [Cecilie] We need the guy to get justice one way or the other. 324 00:18:23,769 --> 00:18:26,855 The heartbreak that he's leaving all these people, 325 00:18:26,939 --> 00:18:30,692 it's just not right, and that he can just vanish? 326 00:18:34,238 --> 00:18:37,199 -[female producer] Are you doing okay? -No, I'm not. 327 00:18:37,783 --> 00:18:40,744 This is very draining for me, you know? 328 00:18:47,167 --> 00:18:50,420 [sobs] It breaks my heart, you know, all these people 329 00:18:51,004 --> 00:18:53,215 he's taking everything from. 330 00:18:57,469 --> 00:19:01,682 I can only imagine how difficult it is for her to see 331 00:19:02,349 --> 00:19:06,436 the pain and the hurt that a lot of these victims are articulating. 332 00:19:08,188 --> 00:19:12,651 I'm pretty sure it makes her reminisce on the deceit and the lies 333 00:19:12,734 --> 00:19:17,239 that she had to witness and overcome and… and heal from. 334 00:19:18,157 --> 00:19:22,035 I think that's what makes Cecilie's role in this so powerful 335 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,707 because she knows what they're feeling, she knows what they're going through, 336 00:19:26,790 --> 00:19:31,336 and she can just walk them through what's necessary 337 00:19:31,420 --> 00:19:35,007 to get them on the other side of this and hopefully get them justice. 338 00:19:36,925 --> 00:19:37,968 [exhales heavily] 339 00:19:41,054 --> 00:19:43,056 [music ends] 340 00:19:44,308 --> 00:19:46,310 [somber music plays] 341 00:19:51,857 --> 00:19:52,816 [chimes] 342 00:19:56,403 --> 00:19:59,406 [Cecilie] I have maybe the biggest lead. 343 00:19:59,489 --> 00:20:03,327 I'm in touch with a woman who believes she's Chris's latest victim. 344 00:20:03,911 --> 00:20:06,663 She's still in contact with him, trying to get her money back. 345 00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:08,916 -So she's on to him? -Yeah. 346 00:20:08,999 --> 00:20:12,878 So maybe we can get her to lure him to, like, a public park. 347 00:20:12,961 --> 00:20:14,922 -[Cecilie] Yeah. -[Brianne] That could work. 348 00:20:16,965 --> 00:20:17,966 [chimes] 349 00:20:20,928 --> 00:20:21,887 [chimes] 350 00:20:24,306 --> 00:20:26,308 [tense music plays] 351 00:20:27,142 --> 00:20:32,064 [Brianne] We received information from one of Chris's latest victims. 352 00:20:32,147 --> 00:20:35,275 And she has, um, set up an opportunity 353 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,779 to potentially lure him into this park for us. 354 00:20:40,197 --> 00:20:41,907 He thinks he's meeting her in the park, 355 00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:44,785 but it's really a chance for us to track him down. 356 00:20:44,868 --> 00:20:48,997 It's a big moment because we could potentially follow him, 357 00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:50,874 figure out where he's living. 358 00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:54,628 He supposedly currently drives a black Lexus with red interior. 359 00:20:54,711 --> 00:20:57,005 So that's gonna be the primary car that we're looking for. 360 00:20:58,548 --> 00:21:02,219 We know this guy is very elusive, he's very shady, 361 00:21:02,302 --> 00:21:04,054 and he's very unpredictable. 362 00:21:05,055 --> 00:21:07,975 Lindsay is here to help positively ID him. 363 00:21:09,393 --> 00:21:11,687 Our local P.I. is gonna help us track him. 364 00:21:11,770 --> 00:21:14,564 We don't know what direction he might come from, 365 00:21:14,648 --> 00:21:17,025 so we're covering all entrances. 366 00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:21,238 A lot of this is one-shot opportunity. So we all have to be on our A-game. 367 00:21:21,321 --> 00:21:22,281 [Cecilie] Awesome. 368 00:21:25,033 --> 00:21:26,285 [gasps] 369 00:21:26,368 --> 00:21:30,831 Can anybody see who's in that white car that slowed down right next to us? 370 00:21:30,914 --> 00:21:35,669 -Does that look like it's him? -I don't have a visual, but it's parking. 371 00:21:35,752 --> 00:21:37,754 [suspenseful music plays] 372 00:21:42,968 --> 00:21:44,636 That's not Chris. 373 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,430 Oh, come on. 374 00:21:47,556 --> 00:21:48,515 [chimes] 375 00:21:49,725 --> 00:21:50,684 [chimes] 376 00:21:52,019 --> 00:21:53,437 [Cecilie] Fifteen minutes. 377 00:21:54,104 --> 00:21:55,522 That's very close to him. 378 00:21:55,605 --> 00:22:00,736 So if it's 15 minutes to get here, he must live reasonably close to here. 379 00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:02,612 Hi, Bri, are you there? 380 00:22:02,696 --> 00:22:04,573 Yes, I'm here. Can you hear me? 381 00:22:04,656 --> 00:22:06,283 He's just 15 minutes away. 382 00:22:20,422 --> 00:22:22,716 -[Cecilie] Oh! -Oh, that's him. That's him. 383 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:26,261 -Oh my God. Just… Right there. -That's him. That's him right there. 384 00:22:27,637 --> 00:22:31,141 -Oh my God. Chris is here. Chris is here. -[Lindsay] He's here in his black car. 385 00:22:31,725 --> 00:22:33,393 [Brianne] All right, guys, he's here. 386 00:22:36,396 --> 00:22:37,314 [gasps] 387 00:22:37,981 --> 00:22:39,983 -[Lindsay] Oh my God. He's here. -Oh my God. 388 00:22:43,695 --> 00:22:45,489 [Brianne] He's getting out, guys. Perfect. 389 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,117 [Cecilie] Fuck. 390 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:52,204 [Lindsay] Ooh, now my heart's beating. 391 00:22:58,543 --> 00:22:59,753 He's moving. 392 00:22:59,836 --> 00:23:02,005 [gasps] Oh God. 393 00:23:13,016 --> 00:23:15,018 [foreboding music plays] 394 00:23:19,981 --> 00:23:20,941 [chimes] 395 00:23:26,238 --> 00:23:27,197 [chimes] 396 00:23:29,825 --> 00:23:32,828 [Anita] He's moving. He's walking towards his car. 397 00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:35,205 [Brianne] Anita, get ready to follow him. 398 00:23:37,499 --> 00:23:39,584 [music intensifies] 399 00:23:52,389 --> 00:23:54,433 Anita, what's your location? I'm following. 400 00:23:55,016 --> 00:23:59,146 We're going north on, uh, State College Boulevard. 401 00:24:00,355 --> 00:24:03,608 [Brianne] This could be our only shot at figuring out where this guy lives. 402 00:24:03,692 --> 00:24:04,693 Stay with him. 403 00:24:06,528 --> 00:24:11,408 It's gonna be difficult following him. He's looking around and changing lanes. 404 00:24:12,951 --> 00:24:14,244 He's making a left. 405 00:24:14,744 --> 00:24:18,123 I don't wanna go with him because he's, um… 406 00:24:18,623 --> 00:24:22,419 I'm gonna go maneuver, see if I can beat him. 407 00:24:22,502 --> 00:24:24,504 [Brianne] Get on the other side. Wait for him. 408 00:24:28,758 --> 00:24:29,926 [tires screeching] 409 00:24:33,847 --> 00:24:36,808 -Yeah, he's hauling ass now. -Haul ass with him. 410 00:24:38,768 --> 00:24:43,064 [Anita] He's making a right on Krueger Street, residential. 411 00:24:43,148 --> 00:24:44,691 Okay, keep your eyes on that. 412 00:24:45,817 --> 00:24:47,569 Maybe he's going home. 413 00:24:48,945 --> 00:24:51,448 He's going west on… 414 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,370 Fuck, he disappeared. Um… 415 00:24:58,830 --> 00:25:01,208 I can't find him. 416 00:25:01,791 --> 00:25:02,918 You lost sight of him? 417 00:25:07,172 --> 00:25:11,968 He's probably in one of these units with the closed garages. 418 00:25:12,552 --> 00:25:14,179 He disappeared quick. 419 00:25:15,805 --> 00:25:18,308 [Brianne] The good news is that he's still in California, 420 00:25:18,391 --> 00:25:20,268 and we have his license plate number. 421 00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:22,437 He can't run forever. 422 00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:25,732 [gentle music plays] 423 00:25:25,815 --> 00:25:27,484 [Brianne] We've got a solid case. 424 00:25:28,193 --> 00:25:31,571 We know he lied about being a professional baseball player, 425 00:25:31,655 --> 00:25:35,283 and we know he was never a registered financial advisor. 426 00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:38,620 And we have other victims who can corroborate Lindsay's story. 427 00:25:40,914 --> 00:25:43,542 Lindsay claims she lost $140,000. 428 00:25:43,625 --> 00:25:45,460 -Yes. -Lauren lost over $50,000. 429 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:47,712 Rhiannon lost over $150,000. 430 00:25:47,796 --> 00:25:49,464 I think that's what's important with this. 431 00:25:49,548 --> 00:25:52,050 It's just showing that it's not an isolated incident. 432 00:25:52,133 --> 00:25:55,512 It's time Lindsay presents this to the authorities. 433 00:25:57,347 --> 00:25:59,724 [Cecilie] Hi, Lindsay. I've got some good news. 434 00:25:59,808 --> 00:26:01,643 We know that you've struggled 435 00:26:01,726 --> 00:26:04,771 to get the police to take this case seriously in the past. 436 00:26:04,854 --> 00:26:07,774 But I have been in touch with a district attorney, 437 00:26:07,857 --> 00:26:09,401 and they've agreed to meet 438 00:26:09,484 --> 00:26:12,821 and might be able to help get the police to pick up the case. 439 00:26:13,655 --> 00:26:19,995 I am now headed to a very important and exciting meeting with DA Erin West. 440 00:26:20,078 --> 00:26:23,039 And she's one of the leading investigators in romance fraud, 441 00:26:23,123 --> 00:26:26,459 and she's a deputy district attorney here in California. 442 00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:29,838 We're both fraud fighters, 443 00:26:29,921 --> 00:26:32,507 so I'm actually very excited myself personally 444 00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:35,010 to be able to meet her 'cause I kind of look up to her. 445 00:26:35,093 --> 00:26:39,389 So I've become a bit giddy, you know, 'cause I'm gonna meet Erin West. 446 00:26:39,472 --> 00:26:41,349 I'm so sorry, but she is super cool. 447 00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:52,861 -[Cecilie] Hi, Lindsay. Good to see you. -[Lindsay] Hi. 448 00:26:52,944 --> 00:26:55,572 -[Cecilie] How are you? I'm good. -[Lindsay] Good, you? Good. 449 00:26:55,655 --> 00:26:59,993 So what I have here is actually the documentation. 450 00:27:00,076 --> 00:27:03,913 So I feel like you can be the one to actually bring that in. 451 00:27:03,997 --> 00:27:07,334 -[Lindsay] Awesome. It's important. -Because it's kind of… It's your work. 452 00:27:07,417 --> 00:27:08,877 -Yeah, for sure. -Thank you. 453 00:27:11,046 --> 00:27:14,049 -[Lindsay] Hello. Hi, how are you? -[Erin] Hey! Hey. 454 00:27:14,132 --> 00:27:16,968 -Really nice to see you guys. -[Lindsay] You too. 455 00:27:17,052 --> 00:27:18,553 Thank you for meeting. 456 00:27:18,637 --> 00:27:23,141 Lindsay was defrauded by Chris Lloyd out of $140,000 457 00:27:23,224 --> 00:27:25,810 in what we believe was an investment scam. 458 00:27:25,894 --> 00:27:32,192 It's almost 300 pages from start till end with evidence of the manipulation. 459 00:27:32,275 --> 00:27:35,737 So we know there are so many more victims. 460 00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:39,157 I am not… I am one of like maybe a dozen plus. 461 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,533 -Right. -[Lindsay] That's… yeah. 462 00:27:41,409 --> 00:27:43,536 [Erin] I'm really sorry this happened to you. 463 00:27:45,413 --> 00:27:46,665 This is the fake contract. 464 00:27:46,748 --> 00:27:48,041 -[Lindsay] Yeah. -[Cecilie] Yeah. 465 00:28:02,097 --> 00:28:04,140 [Erin] I've never seen a case like this. 466 00:28:04,224 --> 00:28:08,687 I have never seen an in-person romance case like this. 467 00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:13,191 And then when you tell me, "Oh, it happened to her and her and her…" 468 00:28:13,274 --> 00:28:14,109 Wow. 469 00:28:14,192 --> 00:28:17,987 -I want this case. This is a great case. -Yeah? Yeah. 470 00:28:19,447 --> 00:28:22,450 I don't like the way you got bounced around between police departments. 471 00:28:22,534 --> 00:28:25,787 But I can also see how something like this falls between the cracks. 472 00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:31,418 We need to, like, dig it out of the cracks and get it seen 473 00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:34,421 because this is a really important case. 474 00:28:34,504 --> 00:28:37,173 I would charge it as theft by false pretenses. 475 00:28:37,257 --> 00:28:39,300 -Let's shine some light on this. Let's-- -Yeah. 476 00:28:39,384 --> 00:28:40,468 Let's ask some questions. 477 00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:42,470 Let's figure out where things are 478 00:28:42,554 --> 00:28:44,764 and what it would take to move things forward. 479 00:28:44,848 --> 00:28:47,934 -This game's not over. -No, okay. That's good to hear. 480 00:28:48,017 --> 00:28:49,894 -Bye. -[Lindsay] Good to check in with you. 481 00:28:49,978 --> 00:28:52,731 -Thank you so much. Appreciate it. -'Course. So good to see you. 482 00:28:52,814 --> 00:28:55,483 -So how are you feeling? -I feel great. 483 00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:59,487 I feel like that was, like, very productive, very helpful. 484 00:28:59,571 --> 00:29:01,781 -Thank you. Honestly. -[Cecilie] Have a hug. 485 00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:04,284 Thank you so much for everything, always. 486 00:29:04,367 --> 00:29:07,120 -[Cecilie] What a journey. I know. -Honestly. 487 00:29:08,538 --> 00:29:11,166 [Cecilie] To even get in the room with a district attorney is rare. 488 00:29:11,249 --> 00:29:14,210 And for it to be so encouraging about the case, it's… 489 00:29:14,294 --> 00:29:17,130 It's a one in a million. Like, it doesn't happen. It just doesn't. 490 00:29:17,213 --> 00:29:19,507 [gentle music plays] 491 00:29:19,591 --> 00:29:21,885 I'm done for the day. [chuckles] 492 00:29:26,431 --> 00:29:32,687 Someone like Chris, who's managed to slip through the cracks somehow, 493 00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:36,399 deserves to finally, you know, pay for what he's done. 494 00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:38,860 He belongs in jail. 495 00:29:40,153 --> 00:29:43,823 And I'm determined to put this behind me and move on with my life. 496 00:29:44,824 --> 00:29:46,826 [curious music plays] 497 00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:13,394 [Brianne] I've seen a lot as an investigator for 15 years. 498 00:30:14,187 --> 00:30:17,106 A lot of times, the bad guys don't get caught. 499 00:30:18,107 --> 00:30:20,026 And victims don't get justice. 500 00:30:21,069 --> 00:30:27,116 So it is refreshing for me to play a part in balancing the scales a little bit. 501 00:30:28,993 --> 00:30:34,415 It's important for us to continue this fight for justice and help people. 502 00:30:35,875 --> 00:30:40,588 [Cecilie] We may not stop every scam, but we can stop the silence. 503 00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:42,799 There's power in speaking up. 504 00:30:42,882 --> 00:30:45,635 [Shareza] You did a really good job. You should be proud. 505 00:30:45,718 --> 00:30:48,471 [officer] It's gone past a civil matter into a criminal matter. 506 00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:50,056 Oh God! 507 00:30:50,139 --> 00:30:51,850 [sobbing] 508 00:30:51,933 --> 00:30:55,311 -[Cecilie] We exposed these fraudsters. -[Nykki] You've been conning women. 509 00:30:55,395 --> 00:30:58,189 [Cecilie] And shown people how to hold them accountable. 510 00:30:59,899 --> 00:31:02,902 Do I deserve how you treated me? Stole from me? 511 00:31:02,986 --> 00:31:04,112 You're going to jail. 512 00:31:06,531 --> 00:31:09,242 [Cecilie] They fucked with the wrong women this time around. 513 00:31:09,826 --> 00:31:12,662 [women cheering] 514 00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:15,290 [Cecilie] This is just the beginning. 515 00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:16,583 -Cheers! -[Brianne] To justice! 516 00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:17,917 [Cecilie] We can't let scammers 517 00:31:18,001 --> 00:31:20,837 destroy one of the most beautiful things in life. 518 00:31:21,462 --> 00:31:22,380 Love. 519 00:31:23,339 --> 00:31:25,341 [music ends] 520 00:31:25,425 --> 00:31:27,427 [uplifting music plays] 521 00:31:56,289 --> 00:31:57,957 [music ends] 43450

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