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Imagine all you know is
that you had a brother.
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The brother died when
he was four months.
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You've heard a
variety of reasons,
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and ultimately that
you killed him.
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But I just didn't believe it.
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There's no way in hell that
this child died from being
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pushed out of the crib.
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But if I didn't do it, who did?
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This can happen...
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Just like that.
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So we were going to have
to put that crime scene
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back together.
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Let's crank it up.
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Game on.
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This extraordinary case
has come over 25 years
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after the death
of Matthew Golder.
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Do you have a brother named
Matthew Stephen Golder?
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Finally, her day had arrived.
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You had this feeling
as everything
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hangs on a knife edge.
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The story you have
heard here today
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is the story that Kathie Almon
today wants you to believe.
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Now she's beginning to read
this as the cover story.
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You're sort of damned if
you do, and you're damned
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if you don't.
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And that's up to the
judge to determine.
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You're not going to be sent
away for life in prison.
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Well, I have spent
a life in a prison.
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What just happened?
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♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
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All my life, I knew
there was something
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wrong with Matthew's death.
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But I was not prepared
to learn the truth.
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♪ My blood runs cold ♪
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This was a
once-in-a-lifetime case.
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Tracy had been told that she was
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responsible for killing her
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four-month-old brother, Matt.
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It's kind of an
unimaginable sort of trauma
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to inflict on a person.
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While we were looking
at what happened
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to Matthew Golder, it
kept gnawing at me,
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and Dr. Burton as well,
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that there was a stone that
had not been turned over.
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There had not been an autopsy.
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We had medical records
saying that Matthew Golder
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died from a fall.
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But it was very unclear
as to the manner of death.
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And because of that,
the decision was
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made to exhume Matt's body.
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Exhumations are very rare.
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No one, to their
knowledge, had ever heard
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of an exhumation of a child.
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And no one had ever heard of
an exhumation of a child that
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had been underground
for 25 years.
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I think the general conclusion
was that we were wasting
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our time, that there was
nothing going to be there
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when we opened that casket up.
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You don't know what to expect.
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I've seen bodies that were
buried six months earlier
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that were nearly skeletonized.
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Knowing how small this
little human body was
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and not really knowing how the
embalming process might have
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taken place, Dr. Burton and I,
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I don't think either one of
us would have been surprised
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if the casket was opened, and
there was nothing identifiable,
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perhaps, other than bones.
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But if that was
the case, we could
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argue we tried to see
whether there was any
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physical evidence still around,
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and it wasn't there.
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But we also said in
the unlikely event
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that Matt's body was
still intact, wow.
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Boy, that would be
some powerful evidence.
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The day of the exhumation
was March 17, 1997.
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I remember that
day quite vividly.
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I do remember feeling
a bit more somber.
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It seemed to me that we were
disturbing a sleeping baby.
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And that really bothered me.
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But like so many things
that we don't want to do,
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we have to get through it.
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The setting was very quiet.
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It was very serene, the
way a cemetery should be.
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I remember Dr. Burton talking
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about Matthew, using his name.
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And that really stuck
with me, that there
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was a level of compassion
about the experience,
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and not just looking at what we
were doing as exhuming a body,
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but looking at it as trying
to find out the truth
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of what happened to Matthew.
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When I got to the grave
site, the dirt had already
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been moved off the
vault, so right then,
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we knew that at least
there had been a vault.
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And coincidentally,
the grave digger
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who put Matthew in the ground
was the same grave digger
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that dug him back up.
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The vault is
concrete and contains
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the casket on the inside.
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There are times in
exhumations where
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the vault lid is lifted off,
and everything's underwater.
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And in cases like
that, the chances
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of finding any
remains that can be
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subjected to a meaningful
examination is almost zero.
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But in this particular case,
the vault lid was so tightly
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sealed, the backhoe
had picked up the vault
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to separate the seal.
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It was that tight.
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There was some sort
of adhesive that
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stretched like rubber cement.
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It was just this image
that has stuck with me.
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Once we got to the morgue
and the casket was opened,
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Dr. Burton's not exaggerating
in his report when he said,
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we were amazed at what we saw.
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I remember Dr. Burton
carefully opening the casket...
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And remember seeing
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a little boy
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completely intact.
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He had on a onesie,
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and he had a teddy bear.
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It was an unforgettable,
horrible, unimaginable moment.
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No matter what your beliefs are,
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you've got to believe
that God preserved
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that child until we got there.
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It absolutely blew
us away. It just did.
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I mean, there was nothing
that anyone could have
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done to prepare us for that.
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I was emotional.
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Then we got another surprise.
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It turns out there was an
autopsy performed back in 1971.
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We did see a previous saw
cut by the pathologist who
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performed the first autopsy.
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We weren't aware
of that at first.
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And those records turned
out to be difficult to find,
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but eventually,
they were located.
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I heard that they had a coroner,
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not a medical examiner,
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at the time.
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He took all those records home.
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He just didn't file the records.
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He said that it was
just an accident.
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There was no discussion in
the original autopsy report
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on how it may have happened.
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And in particular,
there was no manner
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of death assigned
by the pathologist
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who performed that autopsy.
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Knowing the stakes that were
involved in a case like this,
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one that had not
been initially judged
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to be homicide,
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I knew that we had to
do everything right.
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To me, it felt like the case
had started right there.
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First thing I noticed
when Dr. Burton
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did the head X-ray was
bilateral fractures on each
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side of the child's skull.
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And it was a very
complex fracture.
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It had multiple
arms of the fracture
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going in different directions.
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The skull itself was depressed.
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It was pushed in about
an 1/8 of an inch or so.
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That is highly indicative
of an inflicted injury
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by a larger person.
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Part of it looked like a
backwards question mark,
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2 inches or so across.
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What looked like the
side of your fist.
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It's as if he was laying
down on a hard surface
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and was hit on one
side of the head,
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and then causes fractures
to the other side.
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But they don't
connect, and that's
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how they know that they're
from a specific type of trauma.
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Also, they could see
other evidence of abuse
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against Matthew.
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He had a third degree
burn on his instep
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of one of his little feet.
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He had what looked like an
old fracture to his clavicle.
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He had lots of
bruising on his body.
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He had a bruised penis,
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something I can't even imagine.
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All of those details that,
when you start adding
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them all up there,
it's a mountain.
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So all of this information,
they felt they had enough
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to take it to a grand jury.
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At this point, we were
asking a group of citizens
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to bring formal charges against
someone based on something
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that we believed happened
over two decades before.
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It was not the normal case.
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My role was to testify
to the grand jury,
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to help explain to them
why Dr. Burton and I felt
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the injuries we found in
Matthew could not be explained
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by his two-year-old
sister pushing him
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or dropping him from a crib.
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There were only two people,
two adults, who could have been
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involved in Matthew's murder.
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Either Jan Barry
Sandlin or Kathie Almon.
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And it was clear from the
get-go that it was not Kathie.
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Remember, Kathie had been
out running some errands.
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And that just left
one possibility.
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It had to be Jan Barry Sandlin.
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The grand jury decided that
there was probable cause,
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sufficient evidence
to go forward
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with the prosecution of
Jan Sandlin for the murder
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of Matthew Golder.
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Jan Sandlin was charged with
malice murder, felony murder,
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cruelty to children,
and aggravated assault.
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And at the time, Mr. Sandlin
was in prison in Florida,
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and so he was brought
up to Georgia for trial.
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Finally, somebody's listening
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to what I have to say.
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And it... you know,
it means something.
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Child abuse cases, they are very
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different than any
other kind of case,
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because your first hurdle
is proving there was abuse.
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Dr. Burton was clear that
this child died from abuse
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and torture prior to the abuse.
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The fractures we
observed in his head
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were not accidental,
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were not from a
fall from the crib.
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They had been inflicted
by another individual.
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And this would meet the manner
of death known as homicide.
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So when we changed
the death certificate
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from accident to
homicide, that really was
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the turn of the case.
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We knew that one of
the things we wanted
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to impress upon the
jury was how quickly
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this crime could be committed.
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It can be very
difficult to have a baby
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at home who can't speak.
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They're crying, they're upset,
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and you just want
them to be quiet.
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And new parents have no
idea what's bothering them.
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It doesn't take much
for someone to lose it.
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This can happen...
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Just like that.
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And he had every
reason to do that.
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Jan Barry Sandlin
wasn't real jazzed up
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about being left at home
with this four-month-old
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that wasn't his.
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Matthew was not Jan's child.
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He was Ted Golder's child.
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When Kathie was pregnant with
me, she married Ted Golder.
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Ted was drafted into Vietnam,
and she was seeing Jan,
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you know, the whole time.
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When Ted came home, Jan was
married to Nancy Tegeder.
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And so Kathie was trying to
work things out with Ted,
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and that's where
Matthew occurred.
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We believe, given the
nature of the injuries,
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Jan Barry Sandlin
decided, just like that,
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that he was going
to shut him up.
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Matt died from
blunt force trauma.
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I never really
wavered in the idea
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that Jan Barry Sandlin
had killed Matthew Golder.
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And so what I was
always focused on
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was whether the
evidence supported that.
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And I didn't have any evidence
that didn't support that.
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You had a four-month-old who
couldn't speak for himself.
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You had a two-year-old
who literally
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choreographed the case
getting to the DA's office.
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You had a mother
who had maintained
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that it was an accident.
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And you had a defendant who
didn't have to say a word.
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So we were going to have to put
that crime scene back together
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and explain to them why
there was only one person who
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could have committed
the offense,
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and it was Jan Barry Sandlin.
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Unfortunately, Judge Fuller did
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not allow us to introduce
the other injuries
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on Matthew's body.
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As I recall, we didn't
have any evidence
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to unequivocally
suggest that Jan was
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responsible for those
injuries to Matthew,
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so they were inadmissible.
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But also, Jan Barry Sandlin
was serving a life sentence
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in Florida for armed robbery.
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That's not what we were
allowed to tell the jury.
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And there was evidence that
Kathie had been physically
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and verbally assaulted
over a period of years,
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but it wasn't admitted.
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There's no such thing as a
slam dunk in criminal cases.
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There just isn't.
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And we knew that.
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At that point, I don't
know that they had tried
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very many cases that
dated back this far
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with very little evidence.
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So I was realistic.
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I was assigned to give
the opening statement,
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to let the jury know what
your theory of the case was
285
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and what you believe the
evidence was going to show.
286
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These injuries could
not have occurred
287
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but for an intentional
and forceful assault.
288
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The theory was simple.
289
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Matt Golder was four months old.
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He was in a crib.
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He was left alone with an adult.
292
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A four-month-old can't
jump out of a crib.
293
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A two-year-old can't climb
up a crib like Superman.
294
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There's one adult in the room.
295
00:17:01,716 --> 00:17:04,806
There's only one person
that could have done this.
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Matthew Stephen Golder
was killed by that man.
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That man's life is going
to be placed in your hands.
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And it is important for
you to know the full story.
299
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Corinne Mull was Jan Barry
Sandlin's defense attorney.
300
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She was very comfortable in
this particular courtroom.
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Corinne was a bulldog,
and so we knew that she
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was going to be prepared.
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That baby did not
fall out of that bed,
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did not get pushed
out of that bed.
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In her opening statement,
she conceded that
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the two-year-old
throwing him out
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of the crib was preposterous.
308
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Her defenses were reasonable
doubt, somebody else did it.
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The story you have
heard here today
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is the story that Kathie Almon
today wants you to believe.
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Tracyraquel, while she was so
important to the prosecution
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00:18:11,002 --> 00:18:14,049
of this case, I remember
being really nervous
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putting her on the stand.
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I didn't want to do
anything that would
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cause her additional trauma.
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Tracy, this is somebody
who, for her whole life,
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had fought to get to that point
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of trying to bring justice.
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And so she was, you know,
understandably nervous.
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It was really hard.
321
00:18:39,118 --> 00:18:40,596
It was difficult to
walk into that courtroom
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for the first time.
323
00:18:42,730 --> 00:18:44,993
She didn't feel comfortable
being in the same room
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00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:46,647
as Jan Barry Sandlin.
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She hadn't seen him since
she was probably 10.
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00:18:49,171 --> 00:18:54,784
And finally, her
day had arrived.
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Raise your right hand.
328
00:18:57,048 --> 00:19:01,488
I've seen the horrible
things that Jan's done.
329
00:19:01,618 --> 00:19:05,709
I know the things
that he did to me.
330
00:19:10,323 --> 00:19:13,282
Jan was a young man that thought
331
00:19:13,369 --> 00:19:15,110
he could have
anything he wanted,
332
00:19:15,197 --> 00:19:16,981
and he drank very heavily.
333
00:19:17,068 --> 00:19:18,896
Then Jan got hostile.
334
00:19:21,856 --> 00:19:23,597
We would be settled somewhere,
335
00:19:23,684 --> 00:19:25,729
from the time I
was a little child,
336
00:19:25,816 --> 00:19:29,168
and he would just show up
in the middle of the night,
337
00:19:29,298 --> 00:19:33,214
beat the door down, and
beat Kathie up really bad,
338
00:19:33,215 --> 00:19:36,653
and throw us on the street.
339
00:19:36,740 --> 00:19:40,440
We spent lots of times just
sleeping on a park bench.
340
00:19:40,527 --> 00:19:44,313
♪ Oh, it's the
dead of the night ♪
341
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,838
Kathie described persistent
harassment from Jan.
342
00:19:50,276 --> 00:19:53,279
He would track her
down at her job,
343
00:19:53,366 --> 00:19:55,455
so she would have
to quit her job
344
00:19:55,542 --> 00:19:58,284
and set up an apartment
somewhere else.
345
00:19:58,371 --> 00:20:01,765
♪ Oh, you can run
all you like ♪
346
00:20:01,852 --> 00:20:03,202
He was possessive.
347
00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:06,292
Jan Sandlin was
not a person that
348
00:20:06,379 --> 00:20:10,905
knew how to treat
a woman properly,
349
00:20:10,992 --> 00:20:13,777
no matter how old she was.
350
00:20:13,864 --> 00:20:16,737
♪ I'll give you
some room to hide ♪
351
00:20:20,262 --> 00:20:25,311
The woman was very battered.
352
00:20:25,441 --> 00:20:27,095
He beat her up so bad.
353
00:20:27,182 --> 00:20:30,967
Just some of the things that...
it's just a horrible thing
354
00:20:30,968 --> 00:20:32,318
for a child to see.
355
00:20:32,405 --> 00:20:34,537
And no one should
go through that.
356
00:20:41,414 --> 00:20:45,199
Just, you know, him beating
her beyond recognition
357
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,942
and raping her and
beating her again.
358
00:20:50,597 --> 00:20:53,252
It happened in front of me, yes.
359
00:21:00,171 --> 00:21:02,782
Do you have a brother named
Matthew Stephen Golder?
360
00:21:02,783 --> 00:21:03,827
Yes, I do.
361
00:21:03,958 --> 00:21:05,438
When was he born?
362
00:21:14,142 --> 00:21:16,231
I wasn't prepared.
363
00:21:16,318 --> 00:21:19,321
I didn't realize, you
know, how much of a witness
364
00:21:19,408 --> 00:21:20,757
I was gonna have to be.
365
00:21:20,844 --> 00:21:24,194
Have you ever spoken to
the defendant in this case
366
00:21:24,195 --> 00:21:25,595
about what happened
to your brother?
367
00:21:25,632 --> 00:21:26,632
Yes, I have.
368
00:21:26,676 --> 00:21:27,764
What was his response?
369
00:21:27,851 --> 00:21:30,158
Ask your mother.
370
00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:32,987
You now believe that your mother
371
00:21:33,074 --> 00:21:39,298
withheld information about the
death of Matt Golder, correct?
372
00:21:39,385 --> 00:21:40,429
Yes.
373
00:21:43,737 --> 00:21:46,696
During this whole
process before the trial,
374
00:21:46,827 --> 00:21:49,220
I ended up having a
conversation with Kathie,
375
00:21:49,351 --> 00:21:51,484
where I recorded the
conversation that
376
00:21:51,571 --> 00:21:53,834
was entered into evidence.
377
00:21:53,921 --> 00:21:56,663
And the whole purpose was just
to get her to say anything.
378
00:21:56,793 --> 00:22:00,187
I didn't expect she
would say anything.
379
00:22:00,188 --> 00:22:01,885
But she did.
380
00:22:02,016 --> 00:22:06,194
She had said to me that
it was easier to say
381
00:22:06,281 --> 00:22:07,848
that I was responsible for...
382
00:22:07,935 --> 00:22:11,417
excuse me... for
Matt's injuries than it
383
00:22:11,547 --> 00:22:15,203
was to say that the
man she loved was
384
00:22:15,290 --> 00:22:16,683
and watch him go to jail.
385
00:22:19,033 --> 00:22:21,209
She was backed in a corner.
386
00:22:21,296 --> 00:22:23,951
She said, you just
don't understand.
387
00:22:24,038 --> 00:22:25,407
When you're in love
with someone that much,
388
00:22:25,431 --> 00:22:27,040
you'll do anything.
389
00:22:27,041 --> 00:22:28,259
We just wanted to start over.
390
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:29,826
We wanted a new life.
391
00:22:29,913 --> 00:22:31,392
You just don't know what
it's like when you'll
392
00:22:31,393 --> 00:22:34,570
do anything for somebody.
393
00:22:34,701 --> 00:22:38,487
You were astonished that
your mother had been content,
394
00:22:38,618 --> 00:22:40,794
as you put it, to
let him die in vain
395
00:22:40,881 --> 00:22:44,232
and to let you be
offered up as the person
396
00:22:44,363 --> 00:22:45,842
responsible for this.
397
00:22:45,929 --> 00:22:47,322
Yes.
398
00:22:50,543 --> 00:22:54,634
I had also tried
calling everybody.
399
00:22:54,721 --> 00:22:56,201
Most people didn't
want to talk to me.
400
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,379
But Jan's brother,
Butch, he did.
401
00:23:00,509 --> 00:23:03,599
He didn't have a
problem talking to me.
402
00:23:03,730 --> 00:23:05,862
And he said he didn't
know the details.
403
00:23:08,125 --> 00:23:10,563
But he thought that
they were responsible,
404
00:23:10,693 --> 00:23:14,958
and that he felt like they
were gonna blame it on me.
405
00:23:15,045 --> 00:23:19,615
♪ I've got secrets
I can't tell ♪
406
00:23:19,702 --> 00:23:22,183
He thought that they
had planned this.
407
00:23:22,313 --> 00:23:27,623
♪ Whispers that go
through this hell ♪
408
00:23:31,148 --> 00:23:33,150
Butch showed up at
the hospital right
409
00:23:33,237 --> 00:23:37,590
after they arrived at the
emergency room with Matthew.
410
00:23:37,677 --> 00:23:39,852
He said, you were
sitting on a...
411
00:23:39,853 --> 00:23:42,508
like a concrete slab
where ambulances pull up.
412
00:23:42,595 --> 00:23:44,161
And they were, you
know, a football
413
00:23:44,292 --> 00:23:46,425
field away in the parking lot.
414
00:23:46,555 --> 00:23:49,689
And he felt like he
walked up on them
415
00:23:49,776 --> 00:23:52,474
getting their story straight,
what they were gonna say.
416
00:23:52,561 --> 00:23:55,172
And he grabbed Jan
and said, what...
417
00:23:55,259 --> 00:23:58,740
what the... have you done?
418
00:23:58,741 --> 00:24:00,830
You know, what have you done?
419
00:24:03,659 --> 00:24:05,792
Isn't it true that as a mother,
420
00:24:05,879 --> 00:24:10,361
you would do almost anything
to protect your children?
421
00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:11,449
Isn't that true?
422
00:24:11,493 --> 00:24:13,147
Yes.
423
00:24:13,234 --> 00:24:16,106
Even if it meant shouldering
blame upon yourself.
424
00:24:16,193 --> 00:24:17,891
Isn't that true?
- Yes.
425
00:24:17,978 --> 00:24:20,807
You would protect them
till your dying day.
426
00:24:20,894 --> 00:24:23,636
I would... yes.
427
00:24:23,723 --> 00:24:25,986
That's what you do
when you love someone.
428
00:24:29,468 --> 00:24:32,208
Tracyraquel was not a
fact witness, per se.
429
00:24:32,209 --> 00:24:34,298
She certainly didn't
have any memory of what
430
00:24:34,385 --> 00:24:35,690
happened to her baby brother.
431
00:24:35,691 --> 00:24:38,433
But Kathie Almon,
seemingly knowing
432
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,045
what really had happened, was
so important to the prosecution
433
00:24:42,176 --> 00:24:44,004
of this case.
434
00:24:44,091 --> 00:24:46,048
I want to direct your
attention, please, ma'am,
435
00:24:46,049 --> 00:24:48,835
to December 27, 1971.
436
00:24:48,965 --> 00:24:50,314
OK.
437
00:24:50,401 --> 00:24:52,316
I want you to tell the
members of the jury,
438
00:24:52,403 --> 00:24:55,580
as best you can remember,
what it is you did that day.
439
00:24:55,581 --> 00:24:58,453
I took Tracy to
the pediatrician.
440
00:24:58,584 --> 00:25:00,063
Where else were you gonna go?
441
00:25:00,150 --> 00:25:01,194
Uh, the laundromat.
442
00:25:01,195 --> 00:25:03,197
I had to wash clothes.
443
00:25:03,327 --> 00:25:04,327
Where was Matt?
444
00:25:04,372 --> 00:25:06,766
Matt was at home with Jan.
445
00:25:06,853 --> 00:25:10,116
As best you could tell
as a mom, was he content?
446
00:25:10,117 --> 00:25:13,163
Yes, he laughed out loud
for the first time that day.
447
00:25:15,949 --> 00:25:19,779
Kathie always told the story
that she went to do laundry
448
00:25:19,866 --> 00:25:23,434
and took me with her and
left this four-month-old
449
00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:25,915
baby with Jan, and that she came
450
00:25:26,046 --> 00:25:27,656
back and found him that way.
451
00:25:27,743 --> 00:25:29,571
When you got back and you parked
452
00:25:29,702 --> 00:25:31,703
in front of the apartment,
what did you do?
453
00:25:31,704 --> 00:25:33,182
I took Tracy in, and
I sat her in the chair
454
00:25:33,183 --> 00:25:36,056
in the living room.
455
00:25:36,143 --> 00:25:38,406
And Jan was sitting
on the couch.
456
00:25:38,493 --> 00:25:41,017
And I started in
to check on Matt.
457
00:25:41,104 --> 00:25:44,325
And he jumped up in front
of the doorway and said,
458
00:25:44,412 --> 00:25:46,718
Matt is fine, he's asleep.
459
00:25:46,719 --> 00:25:48,677
Just get the clothes
out of the car.
460
00:25:48,764 --> 00:25:49,964
What's the next thing that you
461
00:25:50,026 --> 00:25:51,550
did after you got the laundry?
462
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,682
I walked back up
the stairs with it.
463
00:25:53,769 --> 00:25:55,049
Did you see your
daughter, Tracy?
464
00:25:55,075 --> 00:25:57,207
- No.
- What did you do?
465
00:25:57,294 --> 00:25:59,122
Started frantically
running around the house
466
00:25:59,209 --> 00:26:00,732
looking for Tracy.
467
00:26:00,733 --> 00:26:03,778
I then found her in Matt's bed.
468
00:26:03,779 --> 00:26:06,869
Matt wasn't in there, and I
saw him laying on the floor
469
00:26:06,956 --> 00:26:09,959
next to the chest of drawers.
470
00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:11,170
Did you try to wake him up?
471
00:26:11,221 --> 00:26:12,396
Yes.
472
00:26:12,483 --> 00:26:13,397
Did it work?
473
00:26:13,484 --> 00:26:14,921
No.
474
00:26:15,008 --> 00:26:17,750
What, if anything,
did Mr. Sandlin do?
475
00:26:17,837 --> 00:26:21,928
He started to grab
Tracy up and spank her.
476
00:26:22,015 --> 00:26:24,451
Did you talk with
Mr. Sandlin about what
477
00:26:24,452 --> 00:26:26,106
happened to Matt that day?
478
00:26:26,193 --> 00:26:27,498
Yes.
479
00:26:27,629 --> 00:26:28,891
What did he tell you?
480
00:26:28,978 --> 00:26:30,632
He told me it was a
terrible accident,
481
00:26:30,719 --> 00:26:34,330
and I needed to accept
it and get over it.
482
00:26:34,331 --> 00:26:37,247
Did you care for
Mr. Sandlin back in 1971?
483
00:26:37,334 --> 00:26:40,207
Yes, I did.
484
00:26:40,294 --> 00:26:42,252
Did you think he had
done anything to him?
485
00:26:42,339 --> 00:26:44,124
No, I didn't.
486
00:26:44,211 --> 00:26:47,431
♪ I confess ♪
487
00:26:47,518 --> 00:26:51,347
♪ It's cruel to be kind ♪
488
00:26:51,348 --> 00:26:53,655
I suspect on some level,
Kathie always knew
489
00:26:53,742 --> 00:26:56,353
that that story
didn't make any sense.
490
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,182
♪ This madness ♪
491
00:26:59,313 --> 00:27:04,057
♪ These violent times ♪
492
00:27:04,144 --> 00:27:07,494
I feel like it wasn't just
Matthew that they made
493
00:27:07,495 --> 00:27:10,716
this plan to kill that day.
494
00:27:10,803 --> 00:27:11,934
They did the same to me.
495
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:18,766
♪ I'm lost in the game ♪
496
00:27:18,767 --> 00:27:21,204
♪ Of hatred and shame
497
00:27:21,335 --> 00:27:25,556
Why she left that day, it
wasn't just to go do laundry.
498
00:27:25,644 --> 00:27:27,428
But she also had to
take me to the doctor,
499
00:27:27,558 --> 00:27:30,953
because I had fallen down two
stories of concrete stairs,
500
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,175
supposedly, and was
bleeding from both my ears.
501
00:27:35,262 --> 00:27:39,440
Jan Barry Sandlin had
assaulted his daughter.
502
00:27:39,527 --> 00:27:41,485
In my opinion, I
think their intention
503
00:27:41,572 --> 00:27:43,618
was to get rid of both of us,
504
00:27:43,749 --> 00:27:45,272
just like she said
in her comments.
505
00:27:45,402 --> 00:27:47,840
We just wanted to start over.
506
00:27:47,927 --> 00:27:49,798
To me, it's, "You
guys were expendable,
507
00:27:49,885 --> 00:27:52,670
so I could be with
the man I love."
508
00:27:52,671 --> 00:27:55,848
♪ I'm haunted by
the lullabies ♪
509
00:27:55,978 --> 00:28:01,201
♪ Haunted by this
devil inside ♪
510
00:28:01,288 --> 00:28:05,466
You know what, it's
horrible, and it's shocking.
511
00:28:05,553 --> 00:28:07,294
But it's exactly who she is.
512
00:28:15,302 --> 00:28:20,655
Now, Tracy was
developmentally advanced.
513
00:28:20,742 --> 00:28:22,612
She was walking when she
was nine months old, right?
514
00:28:22,613 --> 00:28:24,354
Right.
515
00:28:24,485 --> 00:28:27,793
And was a caretaker in a
sense, wasn't she, of Matt?
516
00:28:27,923 --> 00:28:29,271
She took care of him.
- Oh, yeah.
517
00:28:29,272 --> 00:28:31,621
And, you know, she...
you called her once
518
00:28:31,622 --> 00:28:32,972
the little mother, didn't you?
519
00:28:33,059 --> 00:28:34,189
Yes.
520
00:28:36,105 --> 00:28:38,760
I was always nurturing, I think.
521
00:28:38,891 --> 00:28:42,459
For me, it's not a hard stretch.
522
00:28:42,546 --> 00:28:45,287
I'm taking care of everyone,
including children.
523
00:28:45,288 --> 00:28:49,249
And yet, they blamed
me for Matthew's death.
524
00:28:51,164 --> 00:28:55,255
Now she's beginning to read
this as the cover story
525
00:28:55,342 --> 00:28:59,738
that her mother
engaged in with Jan.
526
00:28:59,825 --> 00:29:01,261
When you're in a state of shock
527
00:29:01,348 --> 00:29:04,917
and you've just lost your child,
528
00:29:05,004 --> 00:29:08,485
it's somehow emotionally
easier to accept
529
00:29:08,572 --> 00:29:14,317
an accident than it would be
to accept that he was murdered.
530
00:29:14,404 --> 00:29:17,190
You never said, "I believe that
531
00:29:17,277 --> 00:29:18,800
Jan Barry Sandlin did this."
532
00:29:18,887 --> 00:29:20,280
You didn't...
- I think I may have.
533
00:29:20,410 --> 00:29:21,716
OK, who to?
534
00:29:21,847 --> 00:29:24,371
I don't recall.
535
00:29:24,458 --> 00:29:28,941
I've had doubts, but I didn't
really know what happened.
536
00:29:29,071 --> 00:29:31,247
Kathie was wigged out.
537
00:29:31,334 --> 00:29:35,991
She didn't know whether the
jurors would believe her.
538
00:29:36,078 --> 00:29:37,950
When we saw the medical reports,
539
00:29:38,037 --> 00:29:40,866
there's no way Tracy could
have done that to him.
540
00:29:40,953 --> 00:29:43,912
And the only person
there was Jan.
541
00:29:43,999 --> 00:29:45,913
And he tricked me
by making me go
542
00:29:45,914 --> 00:29:48,090
downstairs and get
the clothes so he
543
00:29:48,177 --> 00:29:49,396
could put Tracy in the bed.
544
00:29:49,483 --> 00:29:50,919
I am sure of it.
545
00:29:51,006 --> 00:29:55,010
OK, then why, in 1985,
didn't you say that?
546
00:29:55,097 --> 00:29:58,143
I wasn't sure of it in '85.
547
00:29:58,144 --> 00:30:01,190
Corinne was going to do
her best to point out
548
00:30:01,321 --> 00:30:05,107
the inconsistencies in previous
statements Kathie had made
549
00:30:05,238 --> 00:30:09,895
and suggest to the jury that
she wasn't worthy of belief.
550
00:30:09,982 --> 00:30:12,332
Your mother told your daughter
551
00:30:12,419 --> 00:30:16,162
that she threw her baby
brother out of the bed.
552
00:30:16,249 --> 00:30:19,774
You told her therapist that
she stepped on the baby's
553
00:30:19,861 --> 00:30:21,645
skull, Ms. Almon, right?
554
00:30:21,732 --> 00:30:23,082
I don't recall that.
555
00:30:23,212 --> 00:30:24,320
You're sort of damned if
you do, and you're damned
556
00:30:24,344 --> 00:30:26,215
if you don't.
557
00:30:26,302 --> 00:30:29,131
If Kathie had said the exact
same thing every single time,
558
00:30:29,218 --> 00:30:30,523
Corinne's defense would
be, she's a parrot.
559
00:30:30,524 --> 00:30:32,221
She's a wind-up toy.
560
00:30:32,308 --> 00:30:34,571
It's hard to remember
every single conversation
561
00:30:34,702 --> 00:30:36,399
over the last 25 years.
562
00:30:36,486 --> 00:30:38,334
If she said something a
little different, ah-ah,
563
00:30:38,358 --> 00:30:40,969
she didn't get it
right this time.
564
00:30:41,056 --> 00:30:43,145
She can't be believed.
She's not consistent.
565
00:30:43,276 --> 00:30:45,147
Did you ever have any
second thoughts about,
566
00:30:45,278 --> 00:30:46,690
why did I have this
child in the first place?
567
00:30:46,714 --> 00:30:47,802
Oh, never.
568
00:30:47,933 --> 00:30:49,978
My children were
everything to me.
569
00:30:50,065 --> 00:30:51,345
Did you ever have a conversation
570
00:30:51,371 --> 00:30:53,677
with Mr. Sandlin
about children?
571
00:30:53,764 --> 00:30:55,288
- Yes.
- What did he tell you?
572
00:30:55,418 --> 00:30:56,724
He didn't want any children.
573
00:30:58,334 --> 00:31:00,641
I want the truth to come out.
574
00:31:00,728 --> 00:31:03,862
I want to know what
happened to my son.
575
00:31:05,820 --> 00:31:08,649
I think that Kathie
was not there,
576
00:31:08,736 --> 00:31:11,870
but I feel like
she was involved.
577
00:31:11,957 --> 00:31:15,525
In my opinion, Kathie and
Jan did this together.
578
00:31:15,656 --> 00:31:17,310
Like, this is crazy.
579
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,402
For 15 years, she's
carried the burden
580
00:31:22,489 --> 00:31:25,579
that she was responsible
for that child's death.
581
00:31:25,666 --> 00:31:28,974
That is a big weight
for a child, right?
582
00:31:30,410 --> 00:31:32,107
Kathie was quite emotional.
583
00:31:32,238 --> 00:31:35,806
You know, she was
framed as the person
584
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:37,330
who helped cover things up.
585
00:31:37,460 --> 00:31:41,638
She was the enabler of
much of Jan's behavior,
586
00:31:41,769 --> 00:31:45,077
and the keeper of secrets.
587
00:31:45,164 --> 00:31:47,948
So in general,
Corinne was trying
588
00:31:47,949 --> 00:31:49,689
to raise doubt to demonstrate
589
00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:52,301
the kind of person Kathie was.
590
00:31:52,388 --> 00:31:56,566
The tombstone that was
on the grave at the time
591
00:31:56,697 --> 00:32:00,701
of the exhumation says
"Mother's Little Angel,"
592
00:32:00,788 --> 00:32:02,181
"Rest in peace now."
593
00:32:02,268 --> 00:32:03,573
Yes.
594
00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:04,986
That's not the
original stone, is it?
595
00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:06,576
No.
596
00:32:06,707 --> 00:32:12,756
For 26 years, the tombstone
said "Great grandson of..."
597
00:32:12,843 --> 00:32:15,455
- Right.
- "... of Mr. Alman."
598
00:32:15,542 --> 00:32:17,196
- Right.
- Right?
599
00:32:17,283 --> 00:32:21,503
But you felt the need, two days
before the body was exhumed,
600
00:32:21,504 --> 00:32:25,247
two days before that
whole group of people
601
00:32:25,378 --> 00:32:29,034
ended up at that tomb,
to change the tombstone.
602
00:32:29,164 --> 00:32:31,557
Well, I wanted it
there for the reburial.
603
00:32:31,558 --> 00:32:34,604
You wanted it there
for the exhumation.
604
00:32:34,735 --> 00:32:36,780
I wanted it there
for the reburial.
605
00:32:36,911 --> 00:32:38,260
To show everyone, right?
606
00:32:38,347 --> 00:32:40,436
No.
607
00:32:40,523 --> 00:32:44,658
Kathie experienced a lot
of trauma in her life.
608
00:32:44,745 --> 00:32:47,574
I don't presume for a
minute to put myself
609
00:32:47,704 --> 00:32:49,358
in Kathie Almon's
shoes, knowing the abuse
610
00:32:49,445 --> 00:32:51,012
she had been through.
611
00:32:51,099 --> 00:32:53,231
I don't hold Kathie responsible
612
00:32:53,232 --> 00:32:54,842
for Matthew's
death, but could she
613
00:32:54,929 --> 00:32:56,800
have done a whole lot
more for her daughter?
614
00:32:56,887 --> 00:32:58,411
Yeah.
615
00:33:03,633 --> 00:33:07,028
Tracyraquel was finished
with her testimony,
616
00:33:07,159 --> 00:33:09,770
but she was not released
for her subpoena.
617
00:33:09,857 --> 00:33:12,555
But I knew that she had
young children at home.
618
00:33:12,642 --> 00:33:14,949
So Judge Fuller
granted her permission
619
00:33:15,036 --> 00:33:17,169
to go back to Savannah,
because it was
620
00:33:17,256 --> 00:33:19,736
unlikely that she was going
to have to testify again.
621
00:33:19,823 --> 00:33:24,132
And the defense attorney would
have agreed to that as well.
622
00:33:24,219 --> 00:33:26,482
The judge had said,
no one is supposed
623
00:33:26,569 --> 00:33:32,314
to watch any of the trial.
624
00:33:32,445 --> 00:33:34,534
You're a witness, so
sequester yourself.
625
00:33:34,664 --> 00:33:37,667
OK.
626
00:33:37,754 --> 00:33:42,759
The rule of sequestration says
that if you are someone who is
627
00:33:42,846 --> 00:33:46,415
on a witness list,
you cannot watch any
628
00:33:46,502 --> 00:33:48,417
of the coverage of the
case during the time
629
00:33:48,548 --> 00:33:49,766
you're under subpoena.
630
00:33:49,853 --> 00:33:51,986
Because this could potentially
631
00:33:52,117 --> 00:33:54,467
affect their testimony.
632
00:33:54,554 --> 00:33:57,644
Made sense.
633
00:33:57,731 --> 00:33:59,863
There were family in the
house, and people were in.
634
00:33:59,994 --> 00:34:03,867
And the court was on in another
room in the den in the house.
635
00:34:03,954 --> 00:34:07,828
And I walked from the laundry
room back into the other room,
636
00:34:07,915 --> 00:34:12,005
and I caught a glimpse of
Kathie on the television.
637
00:34:12,006 --> 00:34:13,399
And that was it.
638
00:34:16,793 --> 00:34:20,928
I would call Tracy at the
end of each court day just
639
00:34:21,015 --> 00:34:22,036
to let her know what happened.
640
00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:23,583
I called her that night.
641
00:34:23,670 --> 00:34:24,995
I remember I was
standing in my kitchen.
642
00:34:25,019 --> 00:34:26,586
And Lee Anne had
mentioned, your mom did
643
00:34:26,673 --> 00:34:28,631
great, to which Tracy says...
644
00:34:28,718 --> 00:34:32,722
Yeah, I walked by and saw
Kathie, and she was testifying.
645
00:34:32,853 --> 00:34:37,074
Not, "Yeah, I sat there,
and I had it on record."
646
00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:40,382
Yeah, I overheard that
as I was walking through.
647
00:34:40,469 --> 00:34:42,602
And so when she told
that to Lee Anne...
648
00:34:42,689 --> 00:34:44,124
My heart sunk.
649
00:34:44,125 --> 00:34:45,648
That was going to be a problem.
650
00:34:56,572 --> 00:35:01,664
I remember Jeff and I
talking with J Tom, our boss.
651
00:35:01,751 --> 00:35:03,623
She let us know.
652
00:35:03,753 --> 00:35:05,470
And it was our duty to let
the judge know because it was
653
00:35:05,494 --> 00:35:08,845
a technical violation of
the rule of sequestration,
654
00:35:08,932 --> 00:35:11,020
that she could not
watch any of the trial.
655
00:35:11,021 --> 00:35:12,414
That was the rule.
656
00:35:12,501 --> 00:35:16,157
Everyone understood
it, we thought.
657
00:35:16,288 --> 00:35:18,899
And I remember the next morning,
658
00:35:18,986 --> 00:35:21,510
we went into the judge's
chambers and talked about it.
659
00:35:21,597 --> 00:35:23,294
Then they called back
an hour later and said,
660
00:35:23,295 --> 00:35:24,557
OK, we need you in court.
661
00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:31,564
I arrived, walked into the
courtroom, and no jury,
662
00:35:31,651 --> 00:35:33,870
nobody in the court, just
the judge, the prosecutors,
663
00:35:33,957 --> 00:35:35,394
the defense, and Jan.
664
00:35:35,481 --> 00:35:37,613
Then the judge asked
me if I had seen
665
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:39,137
anything on the television.
666
00:35:39,267 --> 00:35:42,444
I heard various parts
of the Court TV,
667
00:35:42,531 --> 00:35:44,751
what was on Court TV of
my mother's testimony.
668
00:35:44,881 --> 00:35:47,361
When someone breaks a
rule, but it doesn't really
669
00:35:47,362 --> 00:35:49,755
have an effect on the
outcome of the trial,
670
00:35:49,756 --> 00:35:52,715
that can be harmless.
671
00:35:52,802 --> 00:35:55,588
She had been excused, and no
one was going to call her back.
672
00:35:55,675 --> 00:35:57,764
Defense could have
said, we withhold
673
00:35:57,851 --> 00:35:59,785
the right to call her at a
future date, but they didn't.
674
00:35:59,809 --> 00:36:01,810
They excused her.
675
00:36:01,811 --> 00:36:04,901
I have spent my entire life
waiting to hear this testimony.
676
00:36:04,988 --> 00:36:08,296
I would have preferred to
have heard every word of it.
677
00:36:08,383 --> 00:36:12,735
But I don't think that I have
done anything wrong to affect
678
00:36:12,866 --> 00:36:14,259
this man's rights.
679
00:36:14,346 --> 00:36:16,565
He has more rights than I have.
680
00:36:16,696 --> 00:36:20,221
You're not going to be sent
away for life in prison.
681
00:36:20,308 --> 00:36:23,616
Well, I have spent
a life in a prison.
682
00:36:23,746 --> 00:36:26,662
You may not agree with that,
but I have, to some degree.
683
00:36:30,579 --> 00:36:33,191
This extraordinary case,
brought over 25 years
684
00:36:33,278 --> 00:36:35,280
after the death
of Matthew Golder,
685
00:36:35,367 --> 00:36:39,284
has drawn extensive
media coverage.
686
00:36:39,371 --> 00:36:41,589
And with that attention has come
687
00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:43,853
problems in trial management.
688
00:36:43,984 --> 00:36:46,900
There has been an egregious
violation of the witness
689
00:36:46,987 --> 00:36:49,859
sequestration rule, which,
in the context of this case,
690
00:36:49,946 --> 00:36:52,079
is irreparable.
691
00:36:52,166 --> 00:36:55,038
I cannot fix it.
692
00:36:55,169 --> 00:36:57,693
The ability to present
the best available defense
693
00:36:57,780 --> 00:37:02,307
has been destroyed, at least
for now, perhaps forever.
694
00:37:02,437 --> 00:37:05,005
The defendant's motion
for mistrial is granted.
695
00:37:10,924 --> 00:37:13,143
I was furious.
696
00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:16,277
It was a mistrial over testimony
697
00:37:16,408 --> 00:37:18,540
that had no real
basis as to guilt
698
00:37:18,627 --> 00:37:20,019
or innocence of the defendant.
699
00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:21,803
I think I was just in shock.
700
00:37:21,804 --> 00:37:23,545
Like, first of all, I
didn't see it coming.
701
00:37:23,632 --> 00:37:25,112
I felt set up.
702
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:28,027
And of course, there's
all of these things.
703
00:37:28,028 --> 00:37:30,073
It's humiliation, it's anger.
704
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,772
It's, what just happened?
705
00:37:32,859 --> 00:37:35,382
Like, I didn't do anything.
706
00:37:35,383 --> 00:37:38,256
It just... it just
really floored me.
707
00:37:43,783 --> 00:37:47,090
The mistrial can be declared
in a couple of ways...
708
00:37:47,221 --> 00:37:51,138
one that would allow for a
retrial and one that would not.
709
00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:55,534
And that's up to the
judge to determine.
710
00:37:55,664 --> 00:37:58,276
And of course, if there
was no retrial allowed,
711
00:37:58,363 --> 00:38:02,453
then Jan Sandlin would
never be held to account
712
00:38:02,454 --> 00:38:03,716
for Matthew's murder.
713
00:38:20,907 --> 00:38:25,041
The very next evening,
I got a call from Jan
714
00:38:25,128 --> 00:38:28,131
while he was in the county
jail in DeKalb County
715
00:38:28,218 --> 00:38:30,351
on transfer for the trial.
716
00:38:32,701 --> 00:38:34,200
I don't know how he
got my phone number,
717
00:38:34,224 --> 00:38:36,662
but he called laughing.
718
00:38:39,447 --> 00:38:44,757
He threatened to set me on fire
and watch me burn to death.
719
00:38:48,935 --> 00:38:50,893
There were a couple
of other phone calls.
720
00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:55,202
And then the last phone call
was a talk show was playing,
721
00:38:55,289 --> 00:38:56,551
and that's all you could hear.
722
00:38:56,638 --> 00:39:00,381
And it was describing
a lawn mower that had
723
00:39:00,512 --> 00:39:03,340
run over this
little girl's legs.
724
00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:07,562
And that was the first
indirect threat to my children.
725
00:39:15,614 --> 00:39:17,571
Ultimately, Judge
Fuller did decide
726
00:39:17,572 --> 00:39:19,226
that if we wanted
to retry the case,
727
00:39:19,313 --> 00:39:20,575
that we could do so.
728
00:39:20,662 --> 00:39:22,621
Because there's no
prosecutorial misconduct
729
00:39:22,751 --> 00:39:25,580
or intent on the part of the
prosecution or the witnesses,
730
00:39:25,711 --> 00:39:27,539
the judge had to
let us do it again.
731
00:39:27,626 --> 00:39:30,759
Before we got to that, the
decision had to be, are we...
732
00:39:30,846 --> 00:39:33,675
is the DA's office
going to try it again?
733
00:39:33,806 --> 00:39:38,158
I came into work to a
voicemail message from Tracy...
734
00:39:38,288 --> 00:39:40,029
and I remember it being long...
735
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,380
saying, please don't give up.
736
00:39:45,121 --> 00:39:47,994
After going in and talking
about it with J Tom
737
00:39:48,124 --> 00:39:49,995
and looking at each other
and realizing, you know,
738
00:39:49,996 --> 00:39:52,738
this doesn't change
what happened.
739
00:39:52,825 --> 00:39:55,610
It doesn't change the law,
it doesn't change the facts.
740
00:39:55,697 --> 00:39:57,699
And as I told Lee
Anne, you know what?
741
00:39:57,786 --> 00:39:59,416
Last time I checked,
there's no such thing
742
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,877
as the one free murder
rule in Georgia.
743
00:40:01,964 --> 00:40:03,139
Let's crank it up.
744
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:05,446
Game on.
745
00:40:05,533 --> 00:40:07,969
After the mistrial, a
real quick turnaround,
746
00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:11,278
they went back to trial again.
747
00:40:11,409 --> 00:40:13,715
We were super charged up.
748
00:40:13,802 --> 00:40:15,804
This guy killed
a four-month-old.
749
00:40:15,891 --> 00:40:17,240
Let's go.
750
00:40:20,592 --> 00:40:22,507
The atmosphere in
the second trial
751
00:40:22,637 --> 00:40:25,553
was probably even more
amped up than the first.
752
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,730
You had all the same
ingredients and the players
753
00:40:28,817 --> 00:40:31,777
of the first trial, but now you
had this feeling as everything
754
00:40:31,864 --> 00:40:34,693
hangs on a knife edge,
and a judge who's
755
00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:39,915
a little testy and
watching the proceedings
756
00:40:40,002 --> 00:40:44,833
like a hawk to make sure
things go better this time.
757
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,882
We didn't really change the
theory of the case at all.
758
00:40:49,969 --> 00:40:53,232
A two-year-old didn't throw
this child from a crib.
759
00:40:53,233 --> 00:40:58,847
He was intentionally
and forcibly assaulted.
760
00:40:58,934 --> 00:41:01,807
Compared to the first trial,
Jeff and I had a comfort
761
00:41:01,894 --> 00:41:03,809
level with the evidence.
762
00:41:03,896 --> 00:41:06,812
And particularly, I
remember Dr. Burton
763
00:41:06,899 --> 00:41:08,683
being so critically important.
764
00:41:08,814 --> 00:41:10,685
Do you have an
opinion, Dr. Burton,
765
00:41:10,772 --> 00:41:13,340
whether these injuries
could have been inflicted by
766
00:41:13,427 --> 00:41:15,908
a two-year-old child throwing
the baby out of a crib?
767
00:41:16,038 --> 00:41:18,432
Joe Burton was recognized
throughout the country
768
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:22,523
as an expert on crimes against
children, particularly child
769
00:41:22,610 --> 00:41:24,003
abuse and child homicides.
770
00:41:24,090 --> 00:41:27,223
This child, Matthew,
was 4-plus months old
771
00:41:27,310 --> 00:41:29,399
at the time of its
death, probably weighed
772
00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:31,358
at a minimum of 10 pounds.
773
00:41:31,445 --> 00:41:34,317
And it isn't like a 10-pound
weight that a two-year-old
774
00:41:34,404 --> 00:41:35,275
would have to pick up.
775
00:41:35,405 --> 00:41:37,843
It's a squirming
10-pound weight.
776
00:41:37,930 --> 00:41:41,237
And so to throw it out and
cause injuries like this
777
00:41:41,324 --> 00:41:44,327
would be virtually impossible.
778
00:41:44,458 --> 00:41:47,809
We had Dr. Burton,
in his testimony,
779
00:41:47,896 --> 00:41:50,638
talking about how
it was possible
780
00:41:50,725 --> 00:41:54,076
that he could have
been killed by someone
781
00:41:54,163 --> 00:41:55,469
smashing the hand down.
782
00:41:55,556 --> 00:41:59,560
If I have Matthew's head
on a non-giving surface,
783
00:41:59,691 --> 00:42:02,781
and I were to strike Matthew
on the side of the head,
784
00:42:02,868 --> 00:42:05,261
I could break both sides
of Matthew's skull,
785
00:42:05,348 --> 00:42:08,917
causing a death in this case.
786
00:42:09,004 --> 00:42:10,963
The defense was going
to have a tough time
787
00:42:11,050 --> 00:42:14,357
combating with Dr. Burton and
fighting the medical evidence.
788
00:42:14,488 --> 00:42:16,751
I've never seen
complex fractures
789
00:42:16,838 --> 00:42:19,580
bilateral in a
child or an infant
790
00:42:19,711 --> 00:42:22,191
outside an automobile
wreck or a fall
791
00:42:22,278 --> 00:42:24,150
from significant
heights, otherwise.
792
00:42:28,023 --> 00:42:31,505
Tracy's grandmother, Anne,
testified to something that
793
00:42:31,636 --> 00:42:34,508
the law calls a
"similar transaction,"
794
00:42:34,595 --> 00:42:36,858
which is evidence that
is allowed to be admitted
795
00:42:36,989 --> 00:42:41,646
because it demonstrates
a prior similar event,
796
00:42:41,776 --> 00:42:46,215
which may be relevant to
a jury's consideration.
797
00:42:46,346 --> 00:42:50,132
Jan was left alone with Matt.
798
00:42:50,219 --> 00:42:53,005
We went in, and
Matt was screaming.
799
00:42:53,092 --> 00:42:56,661
And, uh, Kathie said,
what's wrong with the baby?
800
00:42:56,791 --> 00:43:00,534
And he said oh, I was playing
with him here on the table.
801
00:43:00,621 --> 00:43:02,580
And he picked up
the pepper shaker,
802
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:05,321
and I guess he got
it in his eyes.
803
00:43:05,408 --> 00:43:08,237
And so she testified to Matthew
804
00:43:08,324 --> 00:43:11,326
having pepper in his
eye that Jan Sandlin
805
00:43:11,327 --> 00:43:13,242
would have put there,
806
00:43:13,329 --> 00:43:15,897
which is certainly
an act of abuse.
807
00:43:15,984 --> 00:43:19,726
Again, left alone,
doing atrocious things
808
00:43:19,727 --> 00:43:21,990
to a helpless four-month-old.
809
00:43:26,255 --> 00:43:30,302
We were confident, but it
was a retrial of a case.
810
00:43:30,303 --> 00:43:35,177
And so I knew that the benefits
accrue to all of the parties.
811
00:43:35,264 --> 00:43:40,139
In order to even begin to
think that Mr. Sandlin is
812
00:43:40,226 --> 00:43:43,359
guilty, you have to be
able to trust and believe
813
00:43:43,446 --> 00:43:45,753
and rely on Kathie Almon.
814
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,321
And I submit to you, you
will not be able to do that.
815
00:43:48,408 --> 00:43:52,978
Corinne had a finite
number of defenses.
816
00:43:53,065 --> 00:43:55,676
One is reasonable doubt.
817
00:43:55,763 --> 00:43:57,678
That's the go-to.
818
00:43:57,809 --> 00:44:01,290
Ms. Kathie Almon has told a
multitude of different stories
819
00:44:01,421 --> 00:44:03,945
as to what has
happened in this case.
820
00:44:04,076 --> 00:44:08,602
And so Kathie's testimony
became much more important.
821
00:44:08,689 --> 00:44:11,996
In 1985, you didn't
say to anybody,
822
00:44:11,997 --> 00:44:14,477
"I know Jan Sandlin did this."
823
00:44:14,564 --> 00:44:15,782
Probably not.
824
00:44:15,783 --> 00:44:19,091
You thought that it was possible
825
00:44:19,221 --> 00:44:23,399
that Tracy had
stepped on Matthew's
826
00:44:23,486 --> 00:44:26,707
head with her heavy
baby shoes, right?
827
00:44:26,838 --> 00:44:28,491
I was trying to make some kind
828
00:44:28,622 --> 00:44:33,061
of a sense out of something
that didn't make sense.
829
00:44:33,192 --> 00:44:36,456
But then it was very
clear, wasn't it,
830
00:44:36,543 --> 00:44:40,068
that those were the lightest
and softest baby shoes
831
00:44:40,155 --> 00:44:42,462
around, wasn't it, Ms. Almon?
832
00:44:42,549 --> 00:44:46,248
I thought they were
pretty clunkers back then.
833
00:44:46,335 --> 00:44:49,208
Isn't it true, Ms. Almon,
you told your daughter
834
00:44:49,295 --> 00:44:51,993
that the child died
from crib death,
835
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,342
SIDS?
836
00:44:53,429 --> 00:44:55,214
Didn't you?
837
00:44:55,301 --> 00:44:57,869
You've told your daughter he
hit his head against the bed.
838
00:44:57,956 --> 00:44:59,498
Isn't that one of the
stories you told her?
839
00:44:59,522 --> 00:45:03,004
I told her he may have,
or the chest of drawers.
840
00:45:03,091 --> 00:45:05,920
You also told them your
daughter threw the baby out
841
00:45:06,051 --> 00:45:07,182
of the bed, correct?
842
00:45:07,269 --> 00:45:08,705
Probably so.
843
00:45:08,706 --> 00:45:11,621
Well, probably,
Ms. Almon, or yes?
844
00:45:11,709 --> 00:45:17,018
Well, it's hard to remember
25 years' worth of hell.
845
00:45:17,105 --> 00:45:20,542
Kathie was kind of
damaged over the years,
846
00:45:20,543 --> 00:45:23,720
and Corrine was very effective
at finding weaknesses.
847
00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:28,682
And she had a perfect
victim to go after.
848
00:45:28,769 --> 00:45:34,557
♪ Trapped with your old sin ♪
849
00:45:34,688 --> 00:45:40,302
♪ You wait with your torment ♪
850
00:45:42,565 --> 00:45:46,047
Ms. Almon, isn't
it, in fact, true
851
00:45:46,134 --> 00:45:49,571
that you wrote
Mr. Sandlin in 1988
852
00:45:49,572 --> 00:45:52,837
and expressed frustration
853
00:45:52,967 --> 00:45:55,882
about your son,
Jason, bothering you?
854
00:45:55,883 --> 00:45:57,189
- Yes.
- OK.
855
00:45:57,319 --> 00:46:00,845
And did you ever tell
him, he's bothering me.
856
00:46:00,932 --> 00:46:02,387
I'm going to beat him
with a baseball bat?
857
00:46:02,411 --> 00:46:04,152
I don't recall that.
858
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,981
OK, let me show you
something and see if that
859
00:46:07,112 --> 00:46:09,941
refreshes your recollection.
860
00:46:10,071 --> 00:46:11,116
Ha-ha.
861
00:46:11,203 --> 00:46:14,597
Yes, I did say it
in a joking way.
862
00:46:14,728 --> 00:46:17,687
♪ You've now told ♪
863
00:46:17,775 --> 00:46:22,083
♪ One too many lies ♪
864
00:46:22,170 --> 00:46:24,390
And then the second
part of the defense
865
00:46:24,477 --> 00:46:26,913
was none too subtle.
866
00:46:26,914 --> 00:46:29,003
You've caused your
child some harm.
867
00:46:29,134 --> 00:46:31,658
Isn't that why
you've always tried
868
00:46:31,745 --> 00:46:33,181
to shift the blame onto Tracy?
869
00:46:33,268 --> 00:46:34,617
No.
870
00:46:34,704 --> 00:46:36,923
It was, one person did it.
871
00:46:36,924 --> 00:46:38,056
It was Kathie Almon.
872
00:46:38,143 --> 00:46:39,578
It was game on.
873
00:46:39,579 --> 00:46:44,540
1997, still trying
to blame Tracy.
874
00:46:44,671 --> 00:46:46,368
What makes sense?
875
00:46:46,455 --> 00:46:48,457
She knows what happened.
876
00:46:48,588 --> 00:46:52,374
She's the only one that
knows what happened.
877
00:46:52,461 --> 00:46:56,857
Ms. Almon is responsible
for the death of the child.
878
00:47:08,173 --> 00:47:09,956
We knew what the facts were.
879
00:47:09,957 --> 00:47:12,003
We knew what the
medical evidence was.
880
00:47:12,090 --> 00:47:15,354
But were we able to
convince the jury?
881
00:47:15,441 --> 00:47:17,269
We, the jury, find
the defendant...
882
00:47:19,227 --> 00:47:21,098
My stomach dropped.
883
00:47:21,099 --> 00:47:24,101
I just thought, this
is never gonna end.
884
00:47:24,102 --> 00:47:25,494
They weren't a
mother and a father.
885
00:47:25,581 --> 00:47:28,628
They were monsters.
886
00:47:28,715 --> 00:47:31,718
What's done is done
and can't be undone.
65874
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