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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 2 00:00:30,599 --> 00:00:32,807 The following is a dramatization of actual events 3 00:00:32,974 --> 00:00:34,722 That occurred between 2004 and 2013. 4 00:01:01,133 --> 00:01:04,384 So? -It's the only alligator. 5 00:01:07,467 --> 00:01:11,630 Four minutes past, we walk in one minute. He was clear on that. 6 00:01:11,798 --> 00:01:14,798 He's coming. 7 00:01:20,420 --> 00:01:24,712 You know? He's too young to have that kind of access. 8 00:01:39,416 --> 00:01:42,752 Ah... what time does the restaurant open. -Noon. 9 00:01:42,916 --> 00:01:47,623 But the food's a little too spicy. This way. 10 00:01:54,957 --> 00:02:00,664 HONG KONG MONDAY JUNE 3, 2013 11 00:02:07,494 --> 00:02:09,702 Excuse me. 12 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:26,242 Right here. 13 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,112 PLEASE DO NOT DISTURB 14 00:02:44,111 --> 00:02:47,694 It's uh really great to finally meet you guys. 15 00:02:47,862 --> 00:02:52,193 So first thing, can I get your cellphones please? 16 00:02:53,445 --> 00:02:57,484 Thank you. We want Laura to be the only one recording. 17 00:02:57,652 --> 00:03:00,567 Right, as discussed. Thank you. 18 00:03:00,735 --> 00:03:04,774 I actually bought this. It blocks UHF frequencies. 19 00:03:10,605 --> 00:03:12,981 You have been photographed before, right? 20 00:03:13,148 --> 00:03:16,856 Yeah, it's been a while since anybody took a photo of me. 21 00:03:17,020 --> 00:03:20,063 Try thinking of this as your friend. 22 00:03:20,231 --> 00:03:23,102 Take your time. 23 00:03:26,518 --> 00:03:30,017 Um, can you start by telling us why you did what you did? 24 00:03:30,185 --> 00:03:35,144 and uh, how you gained access to such a vast amount of information. All of which I read on the plane, um, and... 25 00:03:35,308 --> 00:03:40,435 Glenn. How about we just start with your name? 26 00:03:45,226 --> 00:03:49,181 My name is Edward Joseph Snowden. 27 00:03:50,597 --> 00:03:56,303 I'm 29 years old. I work as a private contractor for the NSA. 28 00:03:56,471 --> 00:04:02,010 I've also worked as a private contractor for the CIA and directly for the agency. 29 00:04:03,722 --> 00:04:07,801 I've worked in various jobs in the intelligence industry for the last nine years. 30 00:04:07,969 --> 00:04:11,008 I've been a systems engineer. 31 00:04:11,176 --> 00:04:14,843 Uh, been a solutions consultant 32 00:04:15,007 --> 00:04:19,218 and senior adviser for the Central Intelligence Agency. 33 00:04:22,966 --> 00:04:25,797 So you wanna be Special Forces? -Sir, yes sir! 34 00:04:25,965 --> 00:04:29,924 I think Special Forces would be ashamed to call you soldiers! 35 00:04:30,088 --> 00:04:33,215 Am I right? Sir, no, sir. 36 00:04:33,379 --> 00:04:37,131 Your left. Your left right. Your left. 37 00:04:37,295 --> 00:04:44,129 Went from driving Cadillacs. Went from driving Cadillacs. 38 00:04:44,293 --> 00:04:50,960 To drivin' convoys in Iraq. To drivin' convoys in Iraq. 39 00:04:51,128 --> 00:04:53,419 Come on, soldier! 40 00:04:56,127 --> 00:04:59,166 Move! Move! 41 00:05:01,166 --> 00:05:04,789 Pick it up, you waste of space! Move! 42 00:05:07,248 --> 00:05:09,996 Come on, soldier! 43 00:05:10,164 --> 00:05:12,039 Come on, goggles! 44 00:05:12,207 --> 00:05:17,078 Snowden, what the hell are you doing? -Nothing, sir. Where's your fuckin' heart? - Right here, sir. 45 00:05:17,246 --> 00:05:21,161 Now I want you reach way down in that pathetic excuse of a chest and you rip it out. 46 00:05:21,329 --> 00:05:24,992 You find your heart, and then you get your broke ass on my tower! You got that? 47 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,036 Sir, yes, sir! -Now get the fuck outta my face! 48 00:05:28,992 --> 00:05:32,035 I need you off my tower, gentlemen! Let's move! 49 00:05:35,282 --> 00:05:37,282 Move! Come on! 50 00:05:38,534 --> 00:05:43,780 Rise and shine maggots! Get your hands off your dicks and get the fuck out of my barracks! 51 00:05:43,948 --> 00:05:48,240 You guys got one minute! Fall out! Move, move, move! 52 00:06:00,237 --> 00:06:02,405 Fuck! 53 00:06:03,612 --> 00:06:06,236 Help! 54 00:06:06,404 --> 00:06:10,651 Snowden? Where the fuck is Snowden? -Help! 55 00:06:12,194 --> 00:06:17,233 You know, you've been walkin' around on two broken legs, best I can tell, for weeks. 56 00:06:18,981 --> 00:06:24,316 Now, this is what happens when you put a 80 pound rucksack on a 150 pound body. 57 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,063 You get these little stress fractures. -Easy. -Sorry. 58 00:06:28,231 --> 00:06:32,606 They build up in your tibias. You don't get off of them and eventually they just bust. 59 00:06:32,770 --> 00:06:39,397 Now you gonna be here for a few weeks, and then, I'd count on another eight weeks or so on crutches. 60 00:06:39,561 --> 00:06:41,768 Okay, then when do I go back? 61 00:06:41,936 --> 00:06:47,311 Son, you ever again land on those legs of yours, airborne or not, those bones turn to powder. 62 00:06:48,519 --> 00:06:52,310 I'm gonna authorize an administrative discharge. 63 00:06:52,810 --> 00:06:55,473 Plenty of other ways to serve your country. 64 00:07:04,015 --> 00:07:05,391 GEEK-MATE.COM NEW MESSAGE 65 00:07:09,806 --> 00:07:12,598 "Ghost in the Shell" is also one of my favorites. 66 00:07:12,762 --> 00:07:15,637 Are you this pale in real life? 67 00:07:17,721 --> 00:07:21,928 Have you committed a crime for which you weren't caught? 68 00:07:22,096 --> 00:07:23,927 No. 69 00:07:26,179 --> 00:07:29,258 Have you cheated on an exam? 70 00:07:29,426 --> 00:07:31,258 No. 71 00:07:32,841 --> 00:07:36,756 Do you believe the United States is the greatest country in the world? -Yes. 72 00:07:36,924 --> 00:07:40,424 Why do you want to join the CIA? 73 00:07:40,592 --> 00:07:44,215 How would you explain the Internet to a child? 74 00:07:44,383 --> 00:07:48,506 Your grandad retired as an admiral and joined the FBI. 75 00:07:48,674 --> 00:07:51,129 Dad's in the Coast Guard. 30-year man. 76 00:07:51,297 --> 00:07:54,213 What has been the most important day in your life? 77 00:07:54,381 --> 00:07:58,420 9/11. We thought my grandfather was inside the Pentagon. 78 00:07:58,588 --> 00:08:01,419 It turned out he was offsite that day. 79 00:08:01,587 --> 00:08:07,042 You wanted to be Special Forces? -Yes, sir. I love their motto. 80 00:08:07,210 --> 00:08:10,833 De oppresso liber. -Is that what you hope to do with us? 81 00:08:11,001 --> 00:08:13,293 Free people from oppression? 82 00:08:13,457 --> 00:08:16,748 I'd like to help my country make a difference in the world. 83 00:08:16,916 --> 00:08:20,499 The Internet is a technology 84 00:08:20,667 --> 00:08:25,330 that has the power to let everyone in the world understand each other. 85 00:08:25,498 --> 00:08:30,581 Missed a perfect score on the ASVAB test by a single question. 86 00:08:30,745 --> 00:08:33,996 Crushed the language learning test. 87 00:08:34,164 --> 00:08:37,536 Some Mandarin, some Japanese. 88 00:08:39,411 --> 00:08:43,410 And no high school diploma? So why did you stop attending high school? 89 00:08:43,578 --> 00:08:48,701 I had to make money. My parents were divorcing at the time. 90 00:08:48,869 --> 00:08:52,700 Any other influences? I'd say Joseph Campbell. 91 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,031 Star Wars. Thoreau. 92 00:08:58,199 --> 00:09:03,074 Ayn Rand. -"One man can stop the motor of the world." 93 00:09:03,238 --> 00:09:06,445 Atlas Shrugged? Yes, sir. I believe that. 94 00:09:06,613 --> 00:09:11,572 Let's try again. Why do you want to join the CIA? 95 00:09:15,236 --> 00:09:17,819 Uh, well frankly, sir... 96 00:09:19,819 --> 00:09:24,526 sounds really cool to have top security clearance. 97 00:09:32,276 --> 00:09:33,860 It's not enough. 98 00:09:40,858 --> 00:09:45,149 Ordinarily. But these are not ordinary times. 99 00:09:46,857 --> 00:09:52,148 Bombs won't stop terrorism, brains will, though we don't have nearly enough of those. 100 00:09:52,312 --> 00:09:57,978 I'm gonna give you a shot, Snowden. Thank your, sir. Thank you very much. You won't regret this. 101 00:09:58,146 --> 00:10:03,353 My name is Corbin O'Brien. I have many titles, among them senior instructor. 102 00:10:03,517 --> 00:10:06,769 You'll be joining my class at The Hill. 103 00:10:06,933 --> 00:10:10,352 Stop the vehicle. Turn off the engine. 104 00:10:12,183 --> 00:10:14,143 I need to see your ID. 105 00:10:16,850 --> 00:10:20,390 Alright. Using your left hand only, pop the trunk. 106 00:10:23,057 --> 00:10:27,848 Now place your hands through the steering wheel on the dashboard. 107 00:10:28,012 --> 00:10:31,927 Through the steering wheel on the dashboard. Do not exit the vehicle. 108 00:10:42,469 --> 00:10:46,300 CIA TRAINING CENTER, VIRGINIA "THE HILL" - 2006 109 00:10:48,716 --> 00:10:54,590 Excuse me. You'll be looking for Corbin's class; end of the hall, keep going through the second set of doors. 110 00:10:54,758 --> 00:11:01,049 Thank you. Is that, uh, ENIGMA? No. ENIGMA was broken. 111 00:11:01,213 --> 00:11:04,840 This is the follow-up, SIGABA; never broken. 112 00:11:05,004 --> 00:11:07,504 Cold War's greatest encryption machine. 113 00:11:07,672 --> 00:11:11,711 Tides of history tick with this motor and these rotors. 114 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:15,002 One day everyone's gonna want a machine like this. 115 00:11:15,170 --> 00:11:18,585 Wow, I've always wanted to learn cryptography. What's this one? 116 00:11:18,753 --> 00:11:23,876 Hot line. First line between Washington and Moscow. 117 00:11:24,044 --> 00:11:27,707 Probably prevented World War III. 118 00:11:27,875 --> 00:11:31,207 You gotta name? How do I know you're not the enemy? 119 00:11:31,375 --> 00:11:34,626 Oh sorry, uh Snowden. Ed Snowden. -Hank Forrester. 120 00:11:34,790 --> 00:11:37,997 Where'd you study, Snowden? Mostly I'm self-taught. 121 00:11:38,165 --> 00:11:42,080 You can tell me if you're busy, but is that a Cray-1? 122 00:11:42,248 --> 00:11:48,995 Why yes. Yes, it is. The first supercomputer. 123 00:11:49,163 --> 00:11:53,162 We get all of this on a cell phone now. -Yes. So you're an engineer? 124 00:11:53,330 --> 00:11:57,037 Am I an engineer? Instructor and counselor, too. 125 00:11:57,201 --> 00:11:59,329 I'm supposed to keep an eye on you CTs. 126 00:11:59,493 --> 00:12:03,408 Make sure you don't buckle under the pressure. Turn to drugs and booze. 127 00:12:03,576 --> 00:12:06,907 Well, you won't have that problem with me. I don't drink or do drugs. 128 00:12:07,075 --> 00:12:11,906 What is your sin of choice? -Computers. 129 00:12:12,074 --> 00:12:16,905 Well then, Snowden. You've some to the whorehouse. 130 00:12:18,905 --> 00:12:24,863 The front lines in the global war on terror are not Iraq or Afghanistan. 131 00:12:25,031 --> 00:12:27,195 They're here. 132 00:12:27,363 --> 00:12:30,614 In London. Berlin. 133 00:12:32,114 --> 00:12:34,029 Istanbul. 134 00:12:34,193 --> 00:12:37,069 Any server. Any connection. 135 00:12:37,237 --> 00:12:41,320 The modern battlefield is everywhere. 136 00:12:43,775 --> 00:12:49,858 Which means you don't have to sit in a ditch eating MREs or dodging mortar fire. 137 00:12:50,026 --> 00:12:53,897 It means that if there is a another 9/11 138 00:12:54,065 --> 00:12:57,856 it'll be your fault. 139 00:12:58,024 --> 00:13:02,439 Just as the last one was my generation's. 140 00:13:02,607 --> 00:13:06,394 Believe me, you do not want to live with that burden. 141 00:13:10,937 --> 00:13:14,893 We're gonna start with an aptitude test. 142 00:13:15,061 --> 00:13:18,976 Each of you is gonna build a covert communications network in your home city. 143 00:13:21,767 --> 00:13:27,682 You're gonna deploy it, back up your site, destroy it and restore it again. 144 00:13:27,850 --> 00:13:32,601 Point of this exercise is to keep your infrastructure up and running securely. 145 00:13:32,765 --> 00:13:39,555 The average test time is five hours. If you take more than eight, you will fail. 146 00:14:04,802 --> 00:14:07,050 Mr. O'Brien? 147 00:14:07,218 --> 00:14:09,049 I'm done, sir. 148 00:14:09,217 --> 00:14:11,841 You don't have to tell me when you've completed a stage. 149 00:14:12,008 --> 00:14:16,216 No, I finished the whole thing. -It's been 40 minutes. 150 00:14:16,380 --> 00:14:19,131 38. -What? 151 00:14:19,299 --> 00:14:22,006 38 minutes. 152 00:14:23,590 --> 00:14:26,797 Okay. Let's see where you screwed up. 153 00:14:46,709 --> 00:14:50,708 You didn't say we had to do it in order, so I ... 154 00:14:50,872 --> 00:14:57,163 I broke the sequence to save time, and I made the backup process to run as I built the site. 155 00:14:58,583 --> 00:15:01,246 Eyes on screens. 156 00:15:06,829 --> 00:15:09,704 Mr. O'Brien? 157 00:15:10,828 --> 00:15:14,827 So, what should I do now? -Whatever you want. 158 00:15:28,234 --> 00:15:30,150 Are you this pale in real life? 159 00:15:51,526 --> 00:15:53,774 Hey. -Hi. 160 00:15:55,274 --> 00:15:58,026 Finally. -Yeah. 161 00:16:01,526 --> 00:16:03,858 Sorry. 162 00:16:07,194 --> 00:16:12,150 Do you want ... anything? -No. Let's go for a walk. 163 00:16:13,402 --> 00:16:18,858 You could use some sun. -Yeah. You mentioned that earlier. 164 00:16:20,066 --> 00:16:25,066 Sorry it took me this long. You didn't want to see me on crutches. 165 00:16:25,234 --> 00:16:28,818 I was not so agile. And then this new job hit. 166 00:16:28,982 --> 00:16:33,442 What was it you're doing again? -I'm doing analysis for the State Department. 167 00:16:33,610 --> 00:16:36,274 Congratulations. -Thanks. 168 00:16:36,442 --> 00:16:41,610 Could you do me a favor and point in the direction of the State Department? 169 00:16:45,734 --> 00:16:50,818 Yeah, it's that way. -Where? Are you sure? 170 00:16:50,982 --> 00:16:56,526 I mean, I'm not that great at orienting myself. -Not that great at lying either. 171 00:16:56,694 --> 00:17:00,858 You're going to have to work on both if you wanna be a spy. 172 00:17:01,026 --> 00:17:04,442 Where I came from everyone's parent worked for the State Department. 173 00:17:04,610 --> 00:17:08,066 Plus, every time you visited my website this week, 174 00:17:08,234 --> 00:17:11,650 which was quite often, it was from an IP in Virginia. 175 00:17:11,818 --> 00:17:14,402 You know how to run an IP trace? -Yeah. 176 00:17:14,566 --> 00:17:18,982 I'm pretty sure that the State Department has no offices in Virginia. 177 00:17:27,566 --> 00:17:30,234 Alright, let's see you strut it. -Let's see what? 178 00:17:30,402 --> 00:17:33,442 Let's see you strut it. Show what you got, you know, your best catwalk. 179 00:17:35,026 --> 00:17:38,694 Don't be shy. Come on, you got this. 180 00:17:43,358 --> 00:17:45,526 I don't know ... 181 00:17:50,566 --> 00:17:55,942 No to Bush, no to bombs. No to Bush, no to bombs. 182 00:17:56,110 --> 00:17:59,694 Would you mind signing our petition, please? -Yes, absolutely. 183 00:18:01,858 --> 00:18:04,110 Thank you -Thank you so much. 184 00:18:04,274 --> 00:18:06,194 Sir? -No thank you. 185 00:18:07,858 --> 00:18:11,694 Excuse me ma'am, you you like to sign? -I actually just signed. -Okay, thank you very much. 186 00:18:13,358 --> 00:18:15,982 Too much independent spirit for you? 187 00:18:16,150 --> 00:18:19,858 No, I just don't really like bashing my country. 188 00:18:20,026 --> 00:18:24,358 It's my country too, and right now it has blood on its hands. 189 00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:28,942 Sorry, I just have friends who are over there right now. 190 00:18:29,110 --> 00:18:33,774 I'm not talking about the troops, I'm talking about the moron sending them to war. 191 00:18:33,942 --> 00:18:37,650 You mean our commander in chief? -Yeah. Whatever you wanna call him, he's still wrong. 192 00:18:37,818 --> 00:18:40,482 How do you know he's wrong? You're just lashing out. 193 00:18:40,650 --> 00:18:43,318 No, I'm not lashing out. I'm questioning our government. 194 00:18:43,482 --> 00:18:46,734 That's what we do in this country. T hat's the principle that we're founded on. 195 00:18:46,902 --> 00:18:51,526 Okay, but how about questioning the liberal media? 196 00:18:51,694 --> 00:18:55,858 You're just buying into what one side is saying. 197 00:18:56,026 --> 00:18:59,442 Maybe I am. Because my side is right. 198 00:18:59,610 --> 00:19:02,818 See that's funny, because my side is right. -Oh really? -Yeah. 199 00:19:04,482 --> 00:19:08,150 Why is it smart conservatives always make me so mad? 200 00:19:08,318 --> 00:19:10,982 Probably because you don't like hearing the truth. 201 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:14,982 You're a very frustrating individual. You know that? 202 00:19:16,402 --> 00:19:22,150 How am I gonna make you see -I can see just fine, thank you. 203 00:19:28,694 --> 00:19:31,066 That help at all? 204 00:19:31,234 --> 00:19:36,194 Nope, that did nothing for me. Tastes like liberal. 205 00:19:36,358 --> 00:19:39,234 Not my thing. 206 00:19:40,734 --> 00:19:45,110 "Bush lets U.S. spy on callers without courts." 207 00:19:45,274 --> 00:19:48,902 Is it Constitutional to bypass the courts? 208 00:19:49,066 --> 00:19:53,358 No. The fourth amendment prevents searches and seizures without a warrant. 209 00:19:53,526 --> 00:19:56,566 That's absolutely right, Rio. Which means, 210 00:19:56,734 --> 00:20:01,858 your commander in chief, the President of the United States is breaking the law. 211 00:20:03,482 --> 00:20:06,026 That is what you're saying, isn't that, Rio? 212 00:20:06,194 --> 00:20:10,234 Well, I guess it depends on ... who you talk to. 213 00:20:10,402 --> 00:20:13,110 And if you talk to journalists? 214 00:20:13,274 --> 00:20:18,274 Who, more often than not, don't have the full picture or neglect to report it. 215 00:20:18,442 --> 00:20:21,194 You've only got a partial truth. 216 00:20:23,982 --> 00:20:28,234 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The FISA court. 217 00:20:28,402 --> 00:20:32,026 We do respect the fourth amendment in this country. 218 00:20:32,194 --> 00:20:34,982 We issue warrants based on suspicion. 219 00:20:35,150 --> 00:20:38,982 But sometimes these warrants have to be issued by secret courts. 220 00:20:39,150 --> 00:20:41,982 So we don't alert the suspect we're spying on. 221 00:20:42,150 --> 00:20:46,818 And these court proceedings are classified, which means, surprise... 222 00:20:46,982 --> 00:20:51,442 They don't appear in papers such as the New York Times. 223 00:20:51,610 --> 00:20:56,858 Did you see my test scores? -Yes. Top of my class, like you. 224 00:20:57,026 --> 00:20:58,942 Here? -NSA. 225 00:20:59,110 --> 00:21:02,358 They liked me plenty. They put me on all the best teams. 226 00:21:02,526 --> 00:21:07,234 Soviet Frontier. Desert Storm. And then the big new challenge. 227 00:21:07,402 --> 00:21:11,858 Find the terrorists in the Internet haystack. Helluva haystack. 228 00:21:12,026 --> 00:21:16,482 Hundreds of terabytes a minute. I mean, it would take you 400 years to read the e-mails. 229 00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:21,442 And then you have to analyze them. Sometimes the more you look, the less you see. 230 00:21:22,818 --> 00:21:25,566 What'd you come up with? -Something beautiful. In house... 231 00:21:25,734 --> 00:21:29,358 for three million dollars. A program that could differentiate between foreign 232 00:21:29,526 --> 00:21:31,358 and domestic... 233 00:21:31,526 --> 00:21:34,982 Encrypt every single we weren't targeting, so that it would remain private. 234 00:21:35,150 --> 00:21:40,150 It was elegant, streamlined. It was the best work I ever did. 235 00:21:40,318 --> 00:21:43,442 Take a seat. 236 00:21:43,610 --> 00:21:45,774 What was it called? 237 00:21:52,318 --> 00:21:57,650 Ed, rising to the top in our world 238 00:21:57,818 --> 00:22:01,274 can sometimes be hard on a man. 239 00:22:01,442 --> 00:22:05,650 I mean, you think you're making strides. 240 00:22:05,818 --> 00:22:09,194 You think you're taking the initiative. 241 00:22:09,358 --> 00:22:12,110 And then the next minute, they grind your work out of existence. 242 00:22:12,274 --> 00:22:17,234 They didn't use it? Why not? -Well, they never tell you why. 243 00:22:18,902 --> 00:22:21,358 Two years later, after 9/11, 244 00:22:21,526 --> 00:22:25,566 a friend of mine tells me about this new contractor program they're using. 245 00:22:25,734 --> 00:22:30,402 Cost four billion dollars to deploy; modeled after mine. 246 00:22:30,566 --> 00:22:34,066 But with no filters, no automation. 247 00:22:34,234 --> 00:22:39,358 Ingested everything. They were drowning in data. It was a fucking disaster. 248 00:22:39,526 --> 00:22:43,318 But there must have been some bigger picture, right? I mean, 249 00:22:43,482 --> 00:22:45,858 spending that kind of money. They're not stupid. 250 00:22:46,026 --> 00:22:50,818 You would think intelligence would count for something in the intelligence business. 251 00:22:50,982 --> 00:22:55,650 But you want to know what it really is? What really sets the agenda? 252 00:22:56,982 --> 00:23:02,358 Military industrial happiness management. 253 00:23:02,526 --> 00:23:07,902 You keep the coffers open in Congress, you keep the money flowing to the contractors. 254 00:23:08,066 --> 00:23:11,818 Efficiency, results, they go out the window. 255 00:23:11,982 --> 00:23:15,694 Not to mention ... 256 00:23:16,858 --> 00:23:21,110 Well, you're late for class. -Okay, thank you. 257 00:23:23,234 --> 00:23:26,026 Oh, can I take another one? -Sure. 258 00:23:32,194 --> 00:23:34,942 Did you ever say anything to anybody? 259 00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:39,274 Yeah, I went to legal. We filed complaints. 260 00:23:39,442 --> 00:23:43,902 Now here I am, tucked away, teaching you. 261 00:23:46,026 --> 00:23:50,150 Maybe that's more important in the long run. You're getting better. 262 00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:10,274 My favorite spot on campus. 263 00:24:10,442 --> 00:24:12,902 Do you hunt, Ed? 264 00:24:15,734 --> 00:24:19,902 Uh, just some skeet shooting with my dad a few times, but I never went hunting. 265 00:24:20,066 --> 00:24:23,610 We'll go one day. -That'd be great. 266 00:24:23,774 --> 00:24:27,274 Mr. O'Brien, can I ask you a question? -How about just calling me Corbin? 267 00:24:27,442 --> 00:24:31,650 Okay. Thank you, sir. Corbin. 268 00:24:31,818 --> 00:24:36,274 I was talking with Hank Forrester, and I wanted to know 269 00:24:36,442 --> 00:24:41,482 are all of our SIGINT programs specifically targeted? 270 00:24:41,650 --> 00:24:45,442 Of course. What good would they be if they weren't? 271 00:24:46,858 --> 00:24:49,150 Yeah, I don't know. 272 00:24:50,526 --> 00:24:55,982 Do you have a girlfriend, Ed? -Uh, nothing serious. 273 00:24:56,150 --> 00:24:59,110 What's her name? -Lindsay. 274 00:24:59,274 --> 00:25:01,858 She going with you? 275 00:25:02,026 --> 00:25:05,234 No, I wouldn't want to put her in any danger. 276 00:25:05,402 --> 00:25:09,110 Well, you don't have to. We're not sending you to the Middle East. 277 00:25:13,318 --> 00:25:18,566 Sir, I'm your best student. Doesn't that count for something? 278 00:25:18,734 --> 00:25:23,774 In 20 years, Iraq'll be a hellhole nobody cares about. 279 00:25:23,942 --> 00:25:26,066 Terrorism's a short-term threat. 280 00:25:26,234 --> 00:25:30,358 The real threats will come from China, Russia, Iran. 281 00:25:30,526 --> 00:25:33,442 And they'll come as SQL injections and malware. 282 00:25:33,610 --> 00:25:38,066 Without minds like yours, this country will be torn apart in cyberspace. 283 00:25:38,234 --> 00:25:43,150 I don't wanna risk losing you for some horse shit war over sand and oil. 284 00:25:45,234 --> 00:25:47,194 Sir, I'm surprised to hear you say that. 285 00:25:47,358 --> 00:25:52,150 You don't have to agree with your politicians to be a patriot. 286 00:25:55,026 --> 00:25:59,442 Sir, where are you sending me? -Take a moment. Enjoy the view. 287 00:26:06,318 --> 00:26:11,442 HONG KONG TUESDAY, June 4, 2013 288 00:26:20,610 --> 00:26:22,858 This is Laura. 289 00:26:23,026 --> 00:26:26,902 Hello. -Hello, nice to meet you. 290 00:26:27,066 --> 00:26:30,358 Ewen MacAskill from the Guardian. It's nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you, too. 291 00:26:30,526 --> 00:26:33,610 Um, if you don't mind, I'd like to record some... -Ah. 292 00:26:35,610 --> 00:26:38,110 Cell phones go in the microwave. -Dare I ask why? 293 00:26:38,274 --> 00:26:41,734 We'll get to that after you ask your questions. 294 00:26:41,902 --> 00:26:44,982 Before we get on to the story, I need to know more about you. 295 00:26:45,150 --> 00:26:51,234 Like, your career, by a glance account, is very varied, but the Guardian needs evidence ... 296 00:26:51,402 --> 00:26:54,650 Yeah, this is my diplomatic passport for friendly countries. 297 00:26:54,818 --> 00:26:58,194 My tourist passports for everywhere else. You can check the visa stamps. 298 00:26:58,358 --> 00:27:01,774 My NSA badge with Booz Allen. My CIA badge with Dell. 299 00:27:01,942 --> 00:27:05,442 And this is my DIA instructor's badge. 300 00:27:05,610 --> 00:27:08,610 This is a photo of me with Michael Hayden, 301 00:27:08,774 --> 00:27:12,026 the former head of the NSA and the CIA. 302 00:27:12,194 --> 00:27:14,734 When can you publish? 303 00:27:14,902 --> 00:27:17,694 K, um, do you mind if I sit down? -No, please. 304 00:27:20,026 --> 00:27:26,150 Glenn says, you want to tell people your identity. How do you think your governments going to react? 305 00:27:26,318 --> 00:27:28,982 Well, they'll charge me under the espionage act. 306 00:27:29,150 --> 00:27:32,274 And they'll say I endangered national security. 307 00:27:32,442 --> 00:27:35,402 They'll demonize me, and my friends and family. 308 00:27:35,566 --> 00:27:39,358 And they'll throw me in jail. That's the best case scenario. 309 00:27:39,526 --> 00:27:41,150 And the worst? 310 00:27:41,318 --> 00:27:45,694 Well, if I don't have any media cover, then I'll be rendered by the CIA 311 00:27:45,858 --> 00:27:48,902 and interrogated outside of the law. 312 00:27:49,066 --> 00:27:53,818 They have a station right up the street. -But how would they know what you did? 313 00:27:53,982 --> 00:27:57,150 Because I left a digital footprint in my logs. So they'll figure it out. 314 00:27:57,318 --> 00:28:01,566 I did not want a manhunt. I know what they would do to my colleagues. 315 00:28:02,734 --> 00:28:09,194 Look, Mr. MacAskill, this is not about money or anything for me. 316 00:28:09,358 --> 00:28:12,026 There's no hidden agenda. I just wanted to get this data 317 00:28:12,194 --> 00:28:14,610 to established journalists like yourselves 318 00:28:14,774 --> 00:28:18,566 so that you can present it to the world, and the people can decide. 319 00:28:18,734 --> 00:28:21,150 Either I'm wrong 320 00:28:21,318 --> 00:28:25,858 or there's something going on inside the government, that's really wrong. 321 00:28:28,774 --> 00:28:31,818 So... 322 00:28:31,982 --> 00:28:38,066 This one is everything I have on your British Intelligence agency, the GCHQ. 323 00:28:38,234 --> 00:28:40,942 The encryption key will follow. 324 00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:46,734 You're gonna want your technical people at the Guardian to look through that thoroughly. There's a lot of stuff there. 325 00:28:50,402 --> 00:28:54,734 Listen, they're gonna investigate, and they're gonna figure out what I've done. 326 00:28:54,902 --> 00:28:58,610 And then they're gonna come for me. And now that we've made contact, 327 00:29:00,482 --> 00:29:03,610 they're gonna come for all of you, too. 328 00:29:10,526 --> 00:29:13,026 Do you mind if I go look in the microwave? 329 00:29:19,858 --> 00:29:22,318 THE GUARDIAN U.S. NEW YORK OFFICE 330 00:29:22,482 --> 00:29:26,650 Ewen, I'm on with Stuart. -How are you, Ewen? 331 00:29:26,818 --> 00:29:33,194 Hi, Stuart. Look I've got one thing to say. The Guinness here is great. 332 00:29:33,358 --> 00:29:36,650 Wonderful. -Absolutely the genuine article. -Good. 333 00:29:36,818 --> 00:29:38,982 But shockingly different from what you expect. 334 00:29:39,150 --> 00:29:44,902 So, now we have the lawyers to deal with and no doubt the White House. 335 00:29:46,274 --> 00:29:48,982 I got the go ahead. -That's great. 336 00:29:49,150 --> 00:29:54,026 Good, let's get started. We have a lot to go through here and it's not easy reading. -We can start by showing him XKeyscore. 337 00:29:54,194 --> 00:29:57,818 Good idea. Can you bring it up again and walk us through it? -Yeah. 338 00:30:04,650 --> 00:30:09,318 Do we all get under there now? -He's protecting his passwords. 339 00:30:09,482 --> 00:30:12,026 Okay, so... 340 00:30:15,942 --> 00:30:21,942 This was introduced during my first deployment at the CIA in Geneva. 341 00:30:22,110 --> 00:30:26,774 XKeyscore. What does that do? 342 00:30:26,942 --> 00:30:30,194 It's like a search interface. 343 00:30:31,774 --> 00:30:35,150 What does it search for? -Anything you want. 344 00:30:36,982 --> 00:30:39,694 What was your assignment in Geneva? 345 00:30:39,858 --> 00:30:43,650 Well, I was assigned with diplomatic cover to the U.N. mission to 346 00:30:43,818 --> 00:30:47,818 maintain the CIA's computer security network. 347 00:30:49,902 --> 00:30:54,526 I spent almost two years around CIA field officers. 348 00:31:02,026 --> 00:31:04,818 I'm sorry, sir, I don't understand. 349 00:31:04,982 --> 00:31:09,234 Sherman says you hacked the Human Resources site. -Yeah, it's my job to find flaws. 350 00:31:09,402 --> 00:31:14,066 The security of the HR site is not your problem. You went outside the wheelhouse. 351 00:31:14,234 --> 00:31:17,194 Okay, but just to clarify, I did not hack. 352 00:31:17,358 --> 00:31:20,194 I showed that it could be hacked. You told me to find a patch. 353 00:31:20,358 --> 00:31:22,358 Do you have that in writing? -Yes, I do. 354 00:31:22,526 --> 00:31:25,274 Remember, I sent you the proof of concept. 355 00:31:28,066 --> 00:31:31,694 Doesn't matter what you did, Snowden, right or wrong, you need to let these things be someone else's problem. 356 00:31:31,858 --> 00:31:35,066 He's also put a derog in your file. -Excuse me? 357 00:31:35,234 --> 00:31:40,358 Let that be a lesson. I don't want him calling me again about another Ed Snowden moment. Okay? 358 00:31:44,274 --> 00:31:49,194 Why don't you take it easy the rest of the day. Go work on the scrubbing pile? 359 00:31:54,358 --> 00:31:57,110 That didn't look like it went well. -Uh hey man, uh yeah 360 00:31:57,274 --> 00:32:00,734 No, I just got a derog for doing my job. 361 00:32:00,902 --> 00:32:04,650 Politics, man. Culture of fear wins again. 362 00:32:04,818 --> 00:32:06,942 I can't get anything done here. 363 00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:11,526 Hey um, what about that idea that we've been talking about? -I'm workin' on it. 364 00:32:11,694 --> 00:32:14,442 I'm waiting for a callback from our friend at The Hill. 365 00:32:14,610 --> 00:32:17,566 Corbin? You called Corbin? Do you think he could do something? 366 00:32:17,734 --> 00:32:20,694 We'll see. Maybe some limited field ops under my supervision. 367 00:32:20,858 --> 00:32:23,818 Yes, that would be amazing, I would love... -Easy, Ed. 368 00:32:23,982 --> 00:32:28,234 I've gotta see a cleric in Milan. We'll talk after. -Okay. Thank you. 369 00:32:46,442 --> 00:32:49,942 Damn, CIA does not like to leave a trace, huh? -Can I help you? 370 00:32:50,110 --> 00:32:52,358 Ever been curious to check one out? 371 00:32:52,526 --> 00:32:55,610 See what crazy ass covert kill mission you might be erasing from history? 372 00:32:55,774 --> 00:32:58,526 I'm sorry, who are you with? -No Such Agency. 373 00:32:58,694 --> 00:33:03,650 I'm Gabriel Sol. I'm the 50 pound brain from the council of wizards and warlocks. 374 00:33:03,818 --> 00:33:06,858 Excuse me? -Give me your intel for Bucharest, dude. 375 00:33:07,026 --> 00:33:09,566 Oh. Unless there's another Dave Churchyard. 376 00:33:09,734 --> 00:33:12,194 No, that's me. Right this way. 377 00:33:16,026 --> 00:33:18,526 I'll be right outside. -You stay if you want. 378 00:33:18,694 --> 00:33:22,774 Uh no, I don't have authorization to use NSA programs. 379 00:33:22,942 --> 00:33:28,734 If you're the messenger to Bucharest, you must have PRIVAC clearance to see the finished intel, yes? -Yeah. 380 00:33:28,902 --> 00:33:32,402 So what difference does it make if you see how it's put together. 381 00:33:34,566 --> 00:33:36,482 It's up to you, man. 382 00:33:41,150 --> 00:33:44,902 You're giving me just names? -Aye, a lot more than names. 383 00:33:45,066 --> 00:33:48,318 What I will be providing you and the fine gentlemen of the Secret Service, 384 00:33:48,482 --> 00:33:52,858 is a list of every threat about the president since February 3rd. 385 00:33:53,026 --> 00:33:56,858 And a profile of every threat maker. 386 00:33:57,026 --> 00:34:00,650 And these are, like, existing targets? 387 00:34:00,818 --> 00:34:04,234 99% are gonna come from the bulk collection program, so... 388 00:34:04,402 --> 00:34:08,358 Upstream, Muscular, Tempora, PRISM. PRISM? 389 00:34:10,026 --> 00:34:12,694 You got a little Snow White in you. 390 00:34:12,858 --> 00:34:17,526 Almost makes me feel like the witch bringing you a poison apple. 391 00:34:17,694 --> 00:34:21,734 Exhibit A: Oakland resident Justin Pinsky posted on a message board: 392 00:34:21,902 --> 00:34:24,610 "Romania has a storied history of executing their leaders, 393 00:34:24,774 --> 00:34:28,402 couldn't they do us a solid and take out Bush?" 394 00:34:28,566 --> 00:34:31,358 Oh, this looks juicy. It's from a Gchat. 395 00:34:31,526 --> 00:34:33,526 [I'm going to attack your bush...] 396 00:34:33,694 --> 00:34:38,234 "... With the biggest python, you've ever seen." 397 00:34:38,402 --> 00:34:40,774 How is this all possible? 398 00:34:40,942 --> 00:34:45,482 Um, keyword selectors. "attack", "take out bush". 399 00:34:45,650 --> 00:34:48,902 So think of it as a Google search, except instead of searching 400 00:34:49,066 --> 00:34:52,194 only what people make public, we're also looking at everything they don't, so 401 00:34:52,358 --> 00:34:57,610 E-mail, chats, SMS. Whatever. -Yes, but which people? 402 00:34:57,774 --> 00:35:00,026 The whole kingdom, Snow White. 403 00:35:06,696 --> 00:35:11,320 Which ambassador is he again? -De la Hoya, the World Trade Organization. 404 00:35:26,944 --> 00:35:29,652 So, O'Brien came through for ya. 405 00:35:29,820 --> 00:35:33,904 He agrees your talents are being wasted. You ready for a little action? 406 00:35:34,072 --> 00:35:38,280 Really? You mean right here? -Yeah. 407 00:35:38,444 --> 00:35:41,196 You see the woman in the pink number? 408 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,196 Credit Suisse. JP Morgan's on her arm. 409 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,820 Grandma's with Deutsche Bank. 10,000 bankers in this town... 410 00:35:47,988 --> 00:35:49,860 all you need to turn is one. 411 00:35:50,028 --> 00:35:53,612 Socialize. Meet a few. Preferably one sitting on a 412 00:35:53,780 --> 00:35:59,236 pile of dirty Saudi money that's funding Bin Laden. 413 00:35:59,404 --> 00:36:04,112 Churchyard. -This man is either a fool or a spy. 414 00:36:07,488 --> 00:36:10,112 Mr. Nembrini? asks you, business card please. 415 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,944 An ambassador. Wow. I wish I had your schmoozing skills. 416 00:36:15,112 --> 00:36:19,280 That's why you have me. -Don't know any banker, do you? 417 00:36:19,444 --> 00:36:22,652 Bankers? Are you on some kind of assignment or something? 418 00:36:24,612 --> 00:36:30,072 I'm relationship cultivating, and not well. 419 00:36:30,236 --> 00:36:34,280 Let me help. -No, this is serious. 420 00:36:34,444 --> 00:36:36,736 I know it's serious. Trust me. 421 00:36:39,196 --> 00:36:42,612 Any luck? -No. No bites. 422 00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:45,528 Is there some kinda trick to it? 423 00:36:45,696 --> 00:36:48,696 It's all about finding the pressure point. 424 00:36:48,860 --> 00:36:51,488 Everything else is just pushin' em. 425 00:36:53,488 --> 00:36:56,112 Looks like you're being summoned. 426 00:37:00,196 --> 00:37:03,696 Marwan, may I interrupt? This is my boyfriend Dave. 427 00:37:03,860 --> 00:37:06,196 Hello, Dave. Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you. 428 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,072 Marwan works at Monfort. We were talking 429 00:37:09,236 --> 00:37:13,320 and after last week he may be able to give you some tips. 430 00:37:13,488 --> 00:37:16,572 Gentlemen, I'll see you inside -Last week? 431 00:37:16,736 --> 00:37:20,444 He's embarrassed. It was a lot of money for us. 432 00:37:22,652 --> 00:37:27,196 Day trading is a perilous sport. You shouldn't be ashamed of it. 433 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,780 Yeah. I'm gonna grab some food. See you guys inside? 434 00:37:30,944 --> 00:37:32,904 Sure. 435 00:37:33,072 --> 00:37:35,944 You have a lovely girlfriend. -Thank you so much. 436 00:37:36,112 --> 00:37:40,404 You know I work in IT, and so I just figured I could crack the market 437 00:37:40,572 --> 00:37:42,404 like a weak network. 438 00:37:42,572 --> 00:37:46,028 May I ask how precipitous were your losses? 439 00:37:46,196 --> 00:37:50,404 Well, I told Lindsay it was 20,000, but between you and me 440 00:37:50,572 --> 00:37:55,112 it was closer to 45. I tried to recoup, but 441 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,572 that was a mistake, and now without any real grounding, I feel like I'm just sliding out of control. 442 00:37:59,736 --> 00:38:05,904 I've seen it many times and I'm always happy to help a man break a bad habit before it gets going. 443 00:38:06,072 --> 00:38:08,280 Well, thank you, I really appreciate it. 444 00:38:09,404 --> 00:38:12,780 It's the cleanest Pakistani I've ever seen. 445 00:38:12,944 --> 00:38:17,820 You got no first degree ties to government or ISI. No shady family. 446 00:38:17,988 --> 00:38:22,280 Second degree contacts are off the charts, but that's everyone in the Middle East with a six-figure income. 447 00:38:22,444 --> 00:38:26,404 It's not dirt that we need necessarily. It's a pressure point. 448 00:38:26,572 --> 00:38:31,696 Something intimate. Some kind of weakness. Can we look through his family? 449 00:38:33,528 --> 00:38:37,280 How about his sister-in-law? 450 00:38:42,236 --> 00:38:46,612 What is that? Is that some video that she sent somebody? -No, this is live. 451 00:38:46,780 --> 00:38:49,820 Out of Paris. -What do you mean "live"? 452 00:38:49,988 --> 00:38:52,944 Optic Nerve. It's camera and mic activation. 453 00:38:53,112 --> 00:38:55,196 I wish we could take credit, but the Brits wrote it. 454 00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:00,320 Activation? -Yeah, her laptop's off. 455 00:39:00,488 --> 00:39:04,696 Or was. She just forgot to close it. Of course, how would she now? The shit is so sly the webcam light doesn't even turn on. 456 00:39:12,572 --> 00:39:16,736 I've always wondered what was under those. 457 00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:26,028 Let's stick to family in Geneva. Alright? 458 00:39:26,196 --> 00:39:29,152 Okay, Snow White. 459 00:39:30,028 --> 00:39:33,528 Uh 15-year-old daughter at the International School. 460 00:39:33,696 --> 00:39:37,988 Facebook? Is that possible? -Dude, Facebook is my bitch. 461 00:39:38,152 --> 00:39:42,488 Seriously? If she fights with her parents... 462 00:39:42,652 --> 00:39:46,112 Don't worry. I know all the hooks for this kinda fishing. 463 00:39:47,652 --> 00:39:50,612 Query name? E-mail, keyword, whatever selectee we want. 464 00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:54,988 And justification is where I write. 465 00:39:57,028 --> 00:40:00,280 In other words, turning her daddy into a CIA informant. 466 00:40:00,444 --> 00:40:02,572 That's it? -That's it, bro. 467 00:40:02,736 --> 00:40:06,280 You don't have to get a FISA court order? 468 00:40:06,444 --> 00:40:10,780 No, not here. XKeyscore's under 702 authority, which means no warrants. 469 00:40:10,944 --> 00:40:14,652 Okay, but U.S. targets, then you'd have to get the court order? 470 00:40:14,820 --> 00:40:18,236 You mean FISA? Yeah, that's just a big-ass rubber stamp, dude. 471 00:40:18,404 --> 00:40:21,572 I mean, FISA judges are all appointed by the chief justice, who's like, you know... 472 00:40:23,904 --> 00:40:28,028 Darth Vader when it comes to national security. Boom. 473 00:40:31,612 --> 00:40:36,988 And the boy, third base, is... 474 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,780 ... Nadim. Okay. 475 00:40:42,488 --> 00:40:47,652 He's 18. Salmasays she wants to marry him. But she's scared of her parents. 476 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:52,236 And what she does not know is that his other name is... 477 00:40:52,404 --> 00:40:54,572 Nicolas. 478 00:40:54,736 --> 00:40:58,820 And he's currently banging Geraldine and Julie. 479 00:40:58,988 --> 00:41:00,988 And... 480 00:41:04,196 --> 00:41:08,696 He and his Turkish mother are here illegally. 481 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,860 That's it. 482 00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:32,196 What are we doing here? -You're making people very happy. 483 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:38,444 Mr. Marwan's bank handles serious Saudi money and a whole bunch of Russian billionaires. 484 00:41:38,612 --> 00:41:43,444 What about any al Qaeda money? Anything promising? 485 00:41:43,612 --> 00:41:47,820 Ed, I'm up for a promotion soon; I will not forget my friends. 486 00:41:47,988 --> 00:41:53,860 Thank you. This is all going kinda fast. I just sent some initial background. 487 00:41:54,028 --> 00:41:57,072 There he is. The man. -Hello, Marwan. 488 00:41:57,236 --> 00:42:01,652 Dave. How wonderful to see you. -Good to see you too. 489 00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:05,944 I counting, Marwan. You snuck in an extra half hour back there. 490 00:42:06,112 --> 00:42:10,236 I'm afraid she was merely listening to an old man's woes. 491 00:42:10,404 --> 00:42:13,780 Oh, I see. -How are you, Marwan? 492 00:42:16,028 --> 00:42:19,572 I must tell you, Dave, since we met 493 00:42:19,736 --> 00:42:23,320 my life has got somewhat topsy-turvey. 494 00:42:23,488 --> 00:42:26,028 I'm sorry to hear that. 495 00:42:26,196 --> 00:42:30,696 But your colleague Charles has graciously offered his help. 496 00:42:30,860 --> 00:42:35,780 So I owe him and you a great deal. -Can I ask what happened? 497 00:42:35,944 --> 00:42:38,988 My daughter had a ... 498 00:42:39,152 --> 00:42:43,612 Marwan's daughter took too many sleeping pills. She's alright. 499 00:42:43,780 --> 00:42:47,112 It had something to do with her boyfriend, who was recently deported. 500 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,944 We're trying to secure a visa for him. 501 00:42:50,112 --> 00:42:54,404 Even so, I'm afraid that Salma will... 502 00:42:54,572 --> 00:42:58,072 I'm sorry. I won't trouble you with such matters. 503 00:42:58,236 --> 00:43:03,360 Hey. Talk as much as you want. Alright? Family comes first. 504 00:43:16,612 --> 00:43:19,572 Where is my beauty? 505 00:43:19,736 --> 00:43:23,152 I'm never like this. 506 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:28,236 You sit down, huh? Just sit tight. 507 00:43:31,820 --> 00:43:33,780 What the fuck's going on? 508 00:43:33,944 --> 00:43:38,736 I've been acting quickly and effectively on very good signals intelligence you provided. 509 00:43:38,904 --> 00:43:43,196 And if his daughter had died? -We could've used that, too. 510 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,528 Are you serious? What, in the name of a promotion? 511 00:43:48,612 --> 00:43:51,780 Marwan can't be away from his family right now. 512 00:43:51,944 --> 00:43:56,820 So in the morning, when he's facing jail, we're gonna offer him a deal. 513 00:43:56,988 --> 00:43:59,152 And he won't turn it down. Jail? For what? 514 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:04,528 Drunk driving. Now, I want you to call the police. Tell em you saw a Mercedes... 515 00:44:04,696 --> 00:44:07,944 No, he's not driving right now. Look at him, he'll kill himself. 516 00:44:10,528 --> 00:44:13,360 Okay. I'll call em. -Hey. 517 00:44:13,528 --> 00:44:15,944 He's not driving. 518 00:44:16,112 --> 00:44:21,944 Remind me, are you authorized on any of the NSA programs you use? 519 00:44:22,112 --> 00:44:25,488 So we're both doin' a little fucked up shit here, uh? 520 00:44:25,652 --> 00:44:29,736 Watch yourself, Ed. -I will tell him who you are. 521 00:44:29,904 --> 00:44:35,528 You reveal the identity of an undercover officer, you're going to jail for a lot longer than Marwan. 522 00:44:56,404 --> 00:45:00,028 Hey. -Sorry I'm so late. 523 00:45:01,820 --> 00:45:04,112 How was work? 524 00:45:06,072 --> 00:45:08,736 It was... 525 00:45:08,904 --> 00:45:10,696 alright. 526 00:45:10,860 --> 00:45:16,944 I have to wake up in like, three hours. My flight's at seven. 527 00:45:20,652 --> 00:45:24,028 Better be quick, then. 528 00:46:08,488 --> 00:46:11,860 I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies 529 00:46:12,028 --> 00:46:14,696 with tools they need to track and take out the terrorists 530 00:46:14,860 --> 00:46:18,028 without undermining our Constitution and our freedom. 531 00:46:18,196 --> 00:46:21,780 That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens. 532 00:46:21,944 --> 00:46:26,652 No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. 533 00:46:26,820 --> 00:46:29,280 Hey hon. -Hey. 534 00:46:29,444 --> 00:46:33,280 What happened to the London trip? 535 00:46:33,444 --> 00:46:35,696 Uh, turns out I'm not going. 536 00:46:38,944 --> 00:46:42,072 What's going on? Who's winning? 537 00:46:44,860 --> 00:46:48,612 Still early. 538 00:46:52,944 --> 00:46:57,528 Obama ahead 67% to 32%. -Come on, big ears. 539 00:46:57,696 --> 00:47:00,236 ...check out Florida. 540 00:47:04,652 --> 00:47:07,404 Holy shit, he's gonna win it. 541 00:47:07,572 --> 00:47:09,320 Florida? -Yeah! 542 00:47:09,488 --> 00:47:12,904 That's big. -It's huge. 543 00:47:13,072 --> 00:47:17,360 You can act nonchalant, but I know you are starting to root for him. 544 00:47:17,528 --> 00:47:21,572 I've been watching your inner liberal grow. Which I will take a modest percentage of the credit for. 545 00:47:21,736 --> 00:47:24,612 And you deserve it. 546 00:47:27,196 --> 00:47:29,488 What is this? 547 00:47:32,904 --> 00:47:35,112 Oh, yeah, that. Just leave that there. 548 00:47:37,028 --> 00:47:42,112 Russian hackers. Agency says they can activate webcams now. 549 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,072 That's creepy -Yeah, it's bothering me. 550 00:47:46,236 --> 00:47:51,028 Whatever. It's not a big deal. You shouldn't even bother you. -It's not a big deal? 551 00:47:51,196 --> 00:47:54,320 What, that someone could be watching you right now? 552 00:47:54,488 --> 00:47:58,028 No, I'm not hiding anything. 553 00:47:58,196 --> 00:48:03,112 That's such a bullshit line. -What is? -Nothing to hide. 554 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,360 I don't. -Everyone does. 555 00:48:06,528 --> 00:48:09,572 Okay, well then what do I have to hide? 556 00:48:09,736 --> 00:48:13,488 Forget it. -No. What have I have to hide? 557 00:48:13,652 --> 00:48:17,072 No, let's just drop it -Apparently you think that I'm hiding something, so... 558 00:48:17,236 --> 00:48:22,488 Okay, the other day your computer was open and I happened to notice you were on the site where we met 559 00:48:22,652 --> 00:48:26,404 ...and you're looking at other guys. -So you just were looking at my computer? 560 00:48:26,572 --> 00:48:30,360 I wouldn't have even brought this up. You asked me what do I have to hide, 561 00:48:30,528 --> 00:48:34,236 that's something you're not telling me. 562 00:48:36,488 --> 00:48:40,488 Well, it's... it's not... I don't do anything. I don't meet any of those people. 563 00:48:43,988 --> 00:48:48,112 You're gone for weeks at a time. So it's like I'm peering into other people's lives 564 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,404 because my own is just temporarily on hold. 565 00:48:51,572 --> 00:48:55,280 That sounds like an excuse. -It's the truth. 566 00:49:11,444 --> 00:49:17,736 I should've told you, and I didn't. Sorry. 567 00:49:17,904 --> 00:49:21,196 But it's not a big deal. 568 00:49:33,904 --> 00:49:37,612 Look at me. I don't want anyone else. 569 00:49:38,696 --> 00:49:43,320 I do not want any other life. Okay? 570 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,652 Listen , uh... 571 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,404 I didn't go to London today because I resigned. 572 00:50:07,572 --> 00:50:12,572 What? -Personal differences. A matter of principle. 573 00:50:14,152 --> 00:50:16,528 Can you tell me anything else? 574 00:50:19,612 --> 00:50:24,028 Did you get reposted? -No, I resigned the CIA. 575 00:50:25,236 --> 00:50:28,404 So what does that mean? What do we do -I don't know. 576 00:50:28,572 --> 00:50:31,904 I'll figure it out, but listen... 577 00:50:33,152 --> 00:50:36,360 This is a good thing. Trust me. 578 00:50:41,196 --> 00:50:43,572 I do. 579 00:50:55,072 --> 00:50:57,736 He's gonna win . 580 00:50:59,404 --> 00:51:01,780 He better. 581 00:51:01,944 --> 00:51:08,612 CNN can now project that Barack Obama, 47 years old, will become the president of the United States. 582 00:51:08,780 --> 00:51:14,028 Every agency and department should know that this administration stands on the side 583 00:51:14,196 --> 00:51:18,112 not on those who seek to withhold information but those who seek to make it known. 584 00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:25,350 Janine is the website editor of a small, stateside office of a British newspaper 585 00:51:25,514 --> 00:51:28,558 up against the most powerful government in the world. 586 00:51:28,722 --> 00:51:30,058 She won't be bullied. 587 00:51:30,222 --> 00:51:35,806 We need to establish that we're not compromising national security by publishing. -We need to have alternatives. 588 00:51:35,974 --> 00:51:40,930 Listen, Ed. The real issue here is the day the White House are aware that Janine has 589 00:51:41,098 --> 00:51:44,222 leaked, top secret FISA court order, 590 00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:49,558 anything could happen. They subpoena the Guardian. For that matter, they could break through that door any minute ending all of this. 591 00:51:50,682 --> 00:51:57,222 We are running out of time. We seriously have to think about doing this on our own website. We have no choice. 592 00:51:57,390 --> 00:52:01,014 You can't just start dumping articles on the Internet. 593 00:52:01,182 --> 00:52:04,014 Look at WikiLeaks. It destroyed their credibility. 594 00:52:04,182 --> 00:52:09,350 Look, Ed, you said it yourself, if this isn't done properly, the world isn't going to take notice. 595 00:52:09,514 --> 00:52:14,930 You need experienced journalists to lead the public through some very, very complicated stories. 596 00:52:15,098 --> 00:52:18,514 We are experienced journalists. -My feeling... 597 00:52:25,890 --> 00:52:29,350 Has anyone called here before? -Not once. Not in three weeks. 598 00:52:29,514 --> 00:52:32,766 Well, shall I answer it? Tell them it's a wrong number. 599 00:52:34,182 --> 00:52:35,638 Yes? 600 00:52:36,806 --> 00:52:39,014 No I don't. 601 00:52:39,930 --> 00:52:41,850 Okay. Thank you. 602 00:52:43,766 --> 00:52:46,722 Asked if I wanted turndown service and she said 603 00:52:46,890 --> 00:52:50,474 the "do not disturb" sign was off the door. 604 00:53:06,682 --> 00:53:08,098 So? 605 00:53:09,058 --> 00:53:11,890 Do we wait or go on our own? 606 00:53:13,850 --> 00:53:18,974 Look, I said from the beginning that how you publish is your business and I trust you. 607 00:53:19,138 --> 00:53:22,766 The only thing I ask is you study the data and you be responsible. 608 00:53:22,930 --> 00:53:27,430 No names. No specifics. Anything ongoing that's critical, you don't release. 609 00:53:27,598 --> 00:53:31,138 Just stick to the issue of mass surveillance, and let the people decide. 610 00:53:31,306 --> 00:53:35,306 You have our word on that, but that's not the question. We have to ask... 611 00:53:36,306 --> 00:53:40,806 Right now the White House is arranging a conference call between Janine and the intelligence services. 612 00:53:40,974 --> 00:53:46,182 Now that's gonna happen in a few hours. Let's at least wait for that. 613 00:53:46,350 --> 00:53:49,014 See what they say to her. 614 00:53:52,266 --> 00:53:54,350 I say we pause a moment. 615 00:53:55,930 --> 00:54:00,350 Yeah, I think we should reassemble in this room after the call takes place. 616 00:54:00,514 --> 00:54:04,138 So that's around midnight; be noon in New York. -Alright. 617 00:54:05,058 --> 00:54:07,850 I'll take another pass at the PRISM story in the meantime. 618 00:54:08,014 --> 00:54:12,350 We'll be in our hotel room if you need us, okay? 619 00:54:21,638 --> 00:54:24,930 You mind, maybe we take a break from that? For a second. 620 00:54:27,098 --> 00:54:29,222 Yes, sorry. 621 00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:34,974 You wanna take a look? Might make you feel better. It's not recording, just on standby. 622 00:54:39,638 --> 00:54:43,598 When did this start for you? Not wanting your photo taken? 623 00:54:43,766 --> 00:54:49,138 Uh, probably in Japan. Remember every time a camera pointed at me, it was... 624 00:54:50,138 --> 00:54:53,390 I couldn't breathe. -Why was that? 625 00:54:53,558 --> 00:54:58,098 I probably spent too much time looking at other people through cameras. 626 00:54:59,138 --> 00:55:01,514 Japan was your first NSA job, right? 627 00:55:01,682 --> 00:55:06,390 Yeah, well as a contractor; Dell. I had a lot of access. 628 00:55:06,558 --> 00:55:09,850 Why'd you go back after Geneva? 629 00:55:12,098 --> 00:55:15,558 Because of the money, and because I wanted to live in Japan. 630 00:55:15,722 --> 00:55:20,390 And because of Obama, actually. You know, I thought things were gonna get better with him. 631 00:55:23,722 --> 00:55:25,598 I was wrong. 632 00:55:28,682 --> 00:55:30,890 YOKOTA AIR BASE, TOKYO 2009 633 00:55:31,058 --> 00:55:33,306 What was it like there? 634 00:55:33,474 --> 00:55:37,222 Well, the first part of my day, I was building this round-the-clock backup system 635 00:55:37,390 --> 00:55:39,514 called Epic Shelter. 636 00:55:39,682 --> 00:55:45,182 So if there was some catastrophe, say uh, terrorists burn down every embassy 637 00:55:45,350 --> 00:55:49,138 and NSA post in the the Middle East, this program would ensure 638 00:55:49,306 --> 00:55:52,266 we wouldn't lose any of that data. 639 00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:56,638 But then I would have to put it aside when visitors would show. 640 00:55:56,806 --> 00:56:02,638 NSA wanted to impress the Japanese. Show them our reach. 641 00:56:02,806 --> 00:56:06,098 They loved the live drone feeds. 642 00:56:06,266 --> 00:56:09,890 This is Pakistan right now. 643 00:56:13,098 --> 00:56:16,638 They were not as thrilled to learn that we wanted them to help us 644 00:56:16,806 --> 00:56:19,806 spy on the Japanese population. 645 00:56:19,974 --> 00:56:22,514 They said it was against their laws. 646 00:56:23,850 --> 00:56:26,974 Of course, we tapped the entire country anyway. 647 00:56:27,138 --> 00:56:31,058 And we didn't stop there. Once we owned their communication systems 648 00:56:31,222 --> 00:56:34,138 started going after the physical infrastructure. 649 00:56:34,306 --> 00:56:40,014 We'd slipped these little sleeper programs into power grids, dams, hospitals. 650 00:56:40,182 --> 00:56:44,722 And the idea was if the day came when Japan was no longer an ally 651 00:56:44,890 --> 00:56:47,430 it'd be lights out. 652 00:56:49,850 --> 00:56:53,474 And it wasn't just the Japanese. We were planting malware in Mexico, 653 00:56:53,638 --> 00:56:56,474 Germany, Brazil, Austria. 654 00:56:57,974 --> 00:57:02,390 I mean, China I can understand. Or Russia or Iran. Venezuela, okay. 655 00:57:02,558 --> 00:57:04,682 But, Austria? 656 00:57:05,682 --> 00:57:10,514 You're also being ordered to follow most world leaders and heads of industry. 657 00:57:10,682 --> 00:57:15,474 You know, you're tracking trade deals, sex scandals, diplomatic cables 658 00:57:15,638 --> 00:57:19,558 to give the U.S. an advantage in negotiations at the G8 659 00:57:19,722 --> 00:57:23,266 or leverage over Brazilian oil companies. 660 00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:27,638 Or helping to oust some third world leader who's not playing ball. 661 00:57:29,058 --> 00:57:34,182 And ultimately the truth sinks in that no matter what justification you're selling yourself 662 00:57:34,350 --> 00:57:37,138 this is not about terrorism. 663 00:57:37,306 --> 00:57:39,930 Terrorism is the excuse. 664 00:57:42,722 --> 00:57:47,430 This is about economic and social control. 665 00:57:49,098 --> 00:57:54,138 And the only thing you're really protecting is the supremacy of your government. 666 00:58:03,306 --> 00:58:06,558 Did you think about going to journalists then? 667 00:58:06,722 --> 00:58:10,638 No, that wouldn't have occurred to me back then. 668 00:58:10,806 --> 00:58:15,598 I thought that the system will self correct. 669 00:58:15,766 --> 00:58:19,598 The President will keep the promise that got him elected. 670 00:58:20,974 --> 00:58:24,514 That's actually when I started reading about you and your films. 671 00:58:24,682 --> 00:58:28,722 It was in Glenn's blog, you were being detained in airports for hours? 672 00:58:28,890 --> 00:58:32,850 37 times. Investigating your own country's wars. 673 00:58:33,014 --> 00:58:36,430 That's why I'm going back to Berlin to edit. 674 00:58:36,598 --> 00:58:39,722 You can trust me with this -I do. 675 00:58:41,182 --> 00:58:45,390 I haven't trusted anyone in years. 676 00:58:48,514 --> 00:58:53,722 It was a welcome change when they put me on terrorism watch duty. 677 00:58:54,638 --> 00:58:58,474 Every day I'd go in and I'd get starting points for SIGINT. 678 00:58:58,638 --> 00:59:01,098 Signals intelligence. 679 00:59:02,306 --> 00:59:05,850 A lot of them were American, which felt strange 680 00:59:06,014 --> 00:59:08,306 but you just keep reminding yourself 681 00:59:08,474 --> 00:59:12,350 I could stop a dirty bomb attack and save thousands of lives. 682 00:59:12,974 --> 00:59:18,474 Thing is, you're not just following your bad guy targets, you're also following their metadata. 683 00:59:18,638 --> 00:59:23,390 Which is basically, all the phone numbers that they're in touch with. 684 00:59:23,558 --> 00:59:29,806 Let's say your target is a shady Iranian banker operating out of Beirut. 685 00:59:29,974 --> 00:59:34,974 Okay, so, you're watching his stuff, but you're also watching all the people that he talks to. 686 00:59:35,138 --> 00:59:40,138 Including, you know, his cousin who's just some dentist living in Buffalo. 687 00:59:40,306 --> 00:59:43,638 And then you've gotta watch all of that guy's contacts. 688 00:59:43,806 --> 00:59:48,766 And by the time you go a third hop out from the original target, you're watching this bartender 689 00:59:48,930 --> 00:59:52,266 chat with her mother about Botox. 690 00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:56,766 'Cause three hops from anyone with, say, 40 contacts... 691 00:59:56,930 --> 01:00:00,598 you're looking at a list of 2.5 million people. 692 01:00:02,890 --> 01:00:08,682 And there's that moment when you're sitting there and the scale of it hits you. 693 01:00:08,850 --> 01:00:13,098 The NSA is really tracking every cell phone in the world. 694 01:00:13,266 --> 01:00:17,598 No matter who you are, every day of your life, you're sitting in a database 695 01:00:17,766 --> 01:00:20,850 just ready to be looked at. 696 01:00:21,014 --> 01:00:23,182 I AGREE TO THE TERMS OF SERVICE AND THE PRIVACY POLICY 697 01:00:31,350 --> 01:00:35,474 Not just terrorists or countries or corporations. 698 01:00:35,638 --> 01:00:37,430 But you. 699 01:00:45,598 --> 01:00:47,974 Was Lindsay with you in Japan? 700 01:00:49,390 --> 01:00:52,722 Japan was difficult for us. 701 01:00:55,682 --> 01:00:58,890 I guess you couldn't talk about your work. -No. 702 01:01:01,222 --> 01:01:04,098 There was this one night, uh, 703 01:01:04,266 --> 01:01:08,890 towards the end, we were supposed to go climb Mt. Fuji the next day. 704 01:01:19,722 --> 01:01:24,474 Wow. Are you gonna post that on Twitter? -No. They're just for me. 705 01:01:25,558 --> 01:01:30,430 What do you think? -You should delete those. 706 01:01:30,598 --> 01:01:33,722 It's not quite the artistic critique I was going for. 707 01:01:33,890 --> 01:01:38,098 I'm sorry, you just... you can't have stuff like that on your hard drive. 708 01:01:38,266 --> 01:01:42,306 Yes I can. -Can you just please, I'm asking you, can you delete them? 709 01:01:43,138 --> 01:01:46,306 Russian hackers again? -No. 710 01:01:47,930 --> 01:01:49,598 Is it us? 711 01:01:52,306 --> 01:01:55,850 It's classified. -Am I a target? 712 01:01:56,014 --> 01:02:00,722 Of course not. -Clearly someone is looking at my nude portraits. 713 01:02:01,182 --> 01:02:05,306 Okay, I shouldn't have brought it up. Alright, it's skews of national security. 714 01:02:07,350 --> 01:02:12,974 Well, I am flattered that my boobs are considered an issue of national security, but you're gonna have to do a lot better than that. 715 01:02:13,138 --> 01:02:16,222 I'd rather not talk about stuff that could land us in jail. 716 01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:19,722 So that's what the band-aids are about then? And your camera phobia. 717 01:02:19,890 --> 01:02:23,598 Because of work? Are they watching us? 718 01:02:23,766 --> 01:02:27,390 Who are they watching? -No one, okay. Let's just stop talking. 719 01:02:28,682 --> 01:02:34,890 Let's go to bed, and wake up in the morning, go climb this fucking mountain. Okay? 720 01:02:36,890 --> 01:02:39,474 Of course we're not gonna talk about it. -What is that supposed to mean? 721 01:02:39,638 --> 01:02:42,514 It means that we don't talk about anything anymore. 722 01:02:42,682 --> 01:02:45,682 You work 12 hour days, you come home depressed. 723 01:02:45,850 --> 01:02:48,350 You play fucking video games and then you fall asleep. 724 01:02:48,514 --> 01:02:52,890 Yeah, I'm tired because I have a job, that's what pays for this apartment in the most expensive city in the world. 725 01:02:53,058 --> 01:02:56,850 Which you asked me to come to, knowing that I did not have a work visa. 726 01:02:57,014 --> 01:03:02,058 Okay, what if you had one, would you really give up your beautiful life of eating and sleeping and going out all the time? 727 01:03:02,222 --> 01:03:05,014 You think you'd really want a career? -A career like yours? 728 01:03:05,182 --> 01:03:07,430 Where I'm miserable all the time? No. 729 01:03:07,598 --> 01:03:10,890 That's called responsibility. 730 01:03:11,058 --> 01:03:12,722 Fuck this. 731 01:03:12,890 --> 01:03:16,974 You know what? You have no idea what it's like to be accountable for other people's lives 732 01:03:17,138 --> 01:03:22,182 Because you live in a fairytale land where just, there are no consequences and no one ever gets hurt. 733 01:03:25,850 --> 01:03:30,182 No. No you, you don't get hurt. 734 01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:35,098 I get fucking crushed. -Fucking bullshit, I've done nothing to you. 735 01:03:35,266 --> 01:03:37,598 That's exactly right, you've done nothing! 736 01:03:37,766 --> 01:03:40,722 You don't hang out with me. You don't laugh with me. 737 01:03:40,890 --> 01:03:43,390 You don't even fucking touch me anymore. 738 01:03:45,474 --> 01:03:48,222 Sorry. -Stop! No! 739 01:04:01,890 --> 01:04:08,474 We never made it to Mount Fuji. Lindsay left pretty soon after that. 740 01:04:11,222 --> 01:04:16,722 I was very lonely there. After three months, I left too, I went back to Maryland. 741 01:04:44,598 --> 01:04:49,182 I promised her I'd change, and we moved back in together. 742 01:04:49,350 --> 01:04:53,850 Make sure your knees stay bent, and then you can fully extend once you feel stable. Ready? 743 01:04:54,014 --> 01:04:58,890 1, 2, 3. All the way up. And you wanna clench between your knees. 744 01:04:59,058 --> 01:05:02,514 It'll burn, but it's a good burn. Perfect. 745 01:05:02,682 --> 01:05:04,766 Twirl around. 746 01:05:05,766 --> 01:05:08,182 Perfect! Oh my god, I'm so proud of you! 747 01:05:08,350 --> 01:05:13,474 When you're really happy, there's a large part of you that just wants to stay happy. 748 01:05:17,558 --> 01:05:21,514 You start to think: What can be more important than this? 749 01:05:21,682 --> 01:05:26,182 What? Oh my god, it's so beautiful. 750 01:05:27,558 --> 01:05:31,474 You know, lots of people cruise happily through life. 751 01:05:32,974 --> 01:05:35,474 Why can't I? 752 01:05:35,638 --> 01:05:38,558 A MAN'S USEFULNESS DEPENDS UPON HIS LIVING UP TO HIS IDEALS 753 01:05:43,682 --> 01:05:45,890 I went back to work for the CIA. 754 01:05:47,014 --> 01:05:50,514 My official title was solutions consultant. 755 01:05:50,682 --> 01:05:54,058 Basically I was hawking overpriced hardware for a living. 756 01:05:54,222 --> 01:05:58,806 But I thought you'd resigned. -It was all contract work after Geneva. 757 01:05:58,974 --> 01:06:05,806 You know, it's Booz Allen Hamilton or Dell in partnership with CIA, or NSA, DIA. 758 01:06:06,850 --> 01:06:10,974 It's the intelligence community's revolving door. 759 01:06:12,222 --> 01:06:15,138 How was it, being back in the States? 760 01:06:15,306 --> 01:06:17,014 It was, uh... 761 01:06:17,182 --> 01:06:19,722 It was really good to be home. 762 01:06:20,806 --> 01:06:24,682 But Maryland was where things started to turn for me. 763 01:06:25,890 --> 01:06:32,390 Every time I felt like I was finally letting go of all the anxiety and all the questions that used to keep me up at night, 764 01:06:32,558 --> 01:06:37,182 I'd learn something else and I just couldn't ignore it. 765 01:06:37,350 --> 01:06:43,974 Like, there were these three high-level officials at the NSA. Bill Binney, Ed Loomis and Kirk Wiebe. 766 01:06:44,138 --> 01:06:47,766 They'd been filing complaints about abuses and overreach for years. 767 01:06:47,930 --> 01:06:52,138 That's all they did, they just filed complaints. 768 01:06:52,306 --> 01:06:55,222 And the FBI raided their homes. 769 01:06:55,390 --> 01:06:58,182 And then there was Thomas Drake. Like the other three guys, 770 01:06:58,350 --> 01:07:01,390 Drake was trying to change things from the inside. 771 01:07:01,558 --> 01:07:04,182 But when nothing worked, he did go to the press. 772 01:07:04,350 --> 01:07:09,390 So they hit him with espionage act and we were shocked. The whole intel community. 773 01:07:09,558 --> 01:07:12,890 Why do you think you were charged? -To send a chilling message. 774 01:07:13,058 --> 01:07:16,722 To whom? -To other whistleblowers. To others in the government. 775 01:07:16,890 --> 01:07:21,390 No to speak out. Do not tell truth to power. 776 01:07:21,558 --> 01:07:23,638 We'll hammer you. 777 01:07:24,930 --> 01:07:29,806 There's a new program being developed at the NSA's ops center on Oahu. 778 01:07:30,930 --> 01:07:34,558 You'd be going up against Chinese cyber divisions. 779 01:07:35,974 --> 01:07:37,974 You interested? 780 01:07:39,558 --> 01:07:41,930 Won't be the vast sums of money you're making now, 781 01:07:42,098 --> 01:07:46,890 but you'll be performing a critical service for your country, I know that's important to you. 782 01:07:47,058 --> 01:07:50,474 You mean service like in Geneva? -That was a mistake. 783 01:07:50,638 --> 01:07:53,722 Shouldn't have pushed you into that. -You didn't push me into it. 784 01:07:53,890 --> 01:07:57,806 I asked for exposure to field ops, you gave it to me. I don't hold that against you. 785 01:07:59,058 --> 01:08:02,014 Is there something you do hold against me? 786 01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:08,974 You didn't tell me we were running a Dragnet on the whole world, Corbin. 787 01:08:32,974 --> 01:08:35,430 Great shooting, Ed. -Thank you. 788 01:08:36,266 --> 01:08:38,098 That's terrific. 789 01:08:38,266 --> 01:08:41,474 So, one thing in the Army I was good at. 790 01:08:46,638 --> 01:08:51,182 You ever think, Ed, since the Second World War, it's been 60 years, 791 01:08:51,350 --> 01:08:54,350 and still no WW3. 792 01:08:54,514 --> 01:08:59,974 Why? Because we use our power, generally, for the good of the world. 793 01:09:01,014 --> 01:09:03,806 For prosperity. Order. 794 01:09:03,974 --> 01:09:07,850 How can we defend ourselves against nuclear war, terror attacks, 795 01:09:08,014 --> 01:09:13,430 cyber attacks without a centralized intel factory working around the world night and day? 796 01:09:13,598 --> 01:09:17,058 So we should catalog billions of people's lives? 797 01:09:17,222 --> 01:09:20,638 Most people already catalog their lives with public consumption. 798 01:09:20,806 --> 01:09:26,098 Well, they catalog part of their lives, and they do it by choice. We're not giving them the choice. We're just taking everything. 799 01:09:26,266 --> 01:09:30,682 Most Americans don't want freedom. They want security. 800 01:09:30,850 --> 01:09:34,598 It's a simple bargain, if... Good girl. Good girl. 801 01:09:34,766 --> 01:09:38,558 If you want to play with all the new toys and be safe 802 01:09:38,722 --> 01:09:41,514 you pay the price of admission. 803 01:09:41,682 --> 01:09:46,222 But the people, they don't even know they've made that bargain. 804 01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:49,430 Where's the battlefield, soldier? 805 01:09:50,558 --> 01:09:53,766 Everywhere. -What's the first rule of battle? 806 01:09:53,930 --> 01:09:56,558 Never reveal your position. 807 01:09:56,722 --> 01:10:01,766 And if one unauthorized person knew? If Congress knew? 808 01:10:01,930 --> 01:10:07,182 So would the enemy. -That, Mr. Snowden, is the state of the world. 809 01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:11,390 Secrecy is security, and security is victory. 810 01:10:19,306 --> 01:10:20,890 Thank you, sir. 811 01:10:22,306 --> 01:10:24,638 Someone I want you to meet. 812 01:10:25,514 --> 01:10:29,638 Mr. Lowell. -Jim. How are you? 813 01:10:29,806 --> 01:10:33,014 Dorian. Allan. Welcome to the U.S. 814 01:10:33,182 --> 01:10:36,514 How'd you make out today, Corbin? -Aw, very mediocre. 815 01:10:36,682 --> 01:10:38,638 Nothing like Ed here. 816 01:10:38,806 --> 01:10:43,014 Apparently, the Army's training people to shoot straight -So this is Ed Snowden. 817 01:10:43,182 --> 01:10:46,430 Sir, a pleasure to meet you. -The brains behind Epic Shelter. 818 01:10:46,598 --> 01:10:48,682 It's brilliant work. -Thank you, sir. 819 01:10:48,850 --> 01:10:51,306 Yeah, I had a few questions I wanted to ask you. -Jim ... 820 01:10:51,474 --> 01:10:55,182 Will you excuse me gentlemen? Excuse me. -Nice to meet you. 821 01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:59,350 Yeah, it's proving very useful for our UAV program. 822 01:10:59,514 --> 01:11:03,222 Yes, I heard. With foreign site intel transfer. 823 01:11:03,390 --> 01:11:06,766 The transfers happen on collection now. They go stra 824 01:11:06,930 --> 01:11:10,766 Mossad, if they need it; actionable immediately now, no one sees it. 825 01:11:10,930 --> 01:11:14,930 It's improved the response time of our drone pilots by a factor of ten. 826 01:11:15,098 --> 01:11:19,474 Tell me, you worked signals intelligence in Japan too, yes? -Yes, sir. 827 01:11:19,638 --> 01:11:24,474 How'd you like it? -It was a very empowering job, sir. 828 01:11:24,638 --> 01:11:29,182 With this new job in Hawaii, there'd be even more access. 829 01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:34,058 I asked Corbin to start the conversation, but the offer is mine. 830 01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:40,430 Take your time. It's gonna take a few months to get this program on its feet. 831 01:11:40,598 --> 01:11:44,222 You'll excuse me, gentlemen? I see dinner. 832 01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:48,222 Sir, for you? -Uh, no thank you. 833 01:11:54,350 --> 01:11:57,598 Epic Shelter was meant as a backup program. 834 01:11:57,766 --> 01:12:00,766 Lowell's creating this position for you, Ed. 835 01:12:00,930 --> 01:12:05,722 You'll be the first contractor outside Fort Meade working counter cyber. 836 01:12:06,682 --> 01:12:08,890 It's your ticket to the top. 837 01:12:20,014 --> 01:12:23,474 Do you believe the United States is the greatest country in the world? 838 01:12:23,638 --> 01:12:25,514 Yes. 839 01:12:26,558 --> 01:12:30,806 Have you used any programs you were unauthorized for? 840 01:12:36,558 --> 01:12:37,850 No. 841 01:12:50,166 --> 01:12:53,166 We're not usually supposed to submit our own work, 842 01:12:53,334 --> 01:12:56,502 but my editor said she'd make an exception. 843 01:12:56,666 --> 01:12:58,418 Pretty neat, huh? 844 01:13:03,166 --> 01:13:05,750 I could just submit an entry. 845 01:13:08,166 --> 01:13:10,958 You ignoring me on purpose or what? 846 01:13:11,126 --> 01:13:13,334 No, sorry. 847 01:13:14,582 --> 01:13:17,294 I was just thinking. -About what? 848 01:13:22,874 --> 01:13:27,750 I wonder if... talk to you about it at dinner, but let's just, wanna come sit down? 849 01:13:29,082 --> 01:13:32,002 Is everything okay? -Yeah. 850 01:13:35,210 --> 01:13:38,918 The, the uh, Deputy Director of the NSA 851 01:13:40,458 --> 01:13:42,918 he offered me a new position. 852 01:13:43,082 --> 01:13:46,750 And uh, that was a while back, and now they need an answer. 853 01:13:46,918 --> 01:13:49,710 Well, is it something you want to do? 854 01:13:50,834 --> 01:13:53,542 I'd be good at it. 855 01:13:54,582 --> 01:13:57,210 Can you tell me anything about it? 856 01:13:57,374 --> 01:14:01,958 You know, I can't. -I know. Mission first. 857 01:14:03,794 --> 01:14:06,874 Are there social perks? White House galas, maybe? 858 01:14:07,042 --> 01:14:11,082 The position is in Hawaii. 859 01:14:18,918 --> 01:14:22,834 We worked really hard to get where we're at. 860 01:14:23,002 --> 01:14:26,418 And you're willing to just rip it all up, aye? 861 01:14:26,582 --> 01:14:29,710 We finally have house that we love and a job that I like, 862 01:14:29,874 --> 01:14:32,794 And real friends, and we're close to our families. 863 01:14:32,958 --> 01:14:37,166 I know. I understand. And if you want to stay, then we're staying. That's it. 864 01:14:37,334 --> 01:14:40,294 Don't just say that because I wanna hear it. 865 01:14:40,458 --> 01:14:42,626 I'm not. 866 01:14:45,502 --> 01:14:49,374 I let you go once. I'm not gonna do it again. 867 01:14:55,542 --> 01:14:59,166 Shit, I'm sorry. The pasta. One second. 868 01:15:10,250 --> 01:15:14,166 You know, I actually think I came pretty close to getting i 869 01:15:14,334 --> 01:15:17,210 I'm gonna get some candles. 870 01:15:54,794 --> 01:15:57,166 Ed. Ed? 871 01:16:14,794 --> 01:16:19,210 I know Tegretol. Know it slows you down. I've seen it with my mo. 872 01:16:19,374 --> 01:16:22,294 She's taken all kinds of medications her whole life. 873 01:16:22,458 --> 01:16:25,418 Well, they work in 70% of cases. 874 01:16:27,542 --> 01:16:32,210 Ed, epilepsy is a serious condition. If you have a seizure 875 01:16:32,374 --> 01:16:36,250 driving yourself or with someone else in the car 876 01:16:36,418 --> 01:16:39,582 or you're in a place where you could fall... 877 01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:44,710 This is not something to be lightly regarded. It's essential you commit yourself to this medication. 878 01:16:47,794 --> 01:16:49,458 Okay? 879 01:16:50,834 --> 01:16:52,418 Yeah. 880 01:16:57,794 --> 01:16:59,294 Oh, thank you. 881 01:17:02,780 --> 01:17:07,196 I've been thinking about what the doctor said. About less stress. 882 01:17:09,904 --> 01:17:12,652 A warmer climate could help. 883 01:17:16,612 --> 01:17:20,696 If Hawaii is something that we decide would be better for you, 884 01:17:21,944 --> 01:17:24,320 I'll go. 885 01:17:38,696 --> 01:17:39,904 HONG KONG Wednesday - June 5, 2013 886 01:17:40,072 --> 01:17:42,904 Janine, how did the White House conversation go? 887 01:17:43,072 --> 01:17:46,736 I made it quite clear that we were in possession of an authentic FISA court order. 888 01:17:47,126 --> 01:17:52,002 They wanted to see it; we refused. Now I just pray that it's actually authentic. 889 01:17:53,502 --> 01:17:59,918 Are you actually questioning that? -No one has ever seen a FISA court order. There's no precedent here. 890 01:18:00,082 --> 01:18:02,918 Our source risked his life for that document. It's real. 891 01:18:03,082 --> 01:18:08,334 Tell us, did the White House make any specific claims about national security, 892 01:18:08,502 --> 01:18:11,294 that would prevent you from publishing? 893 01:18:11,458 --> 01:18:16,458 No. I asked them repeatedly. And they had no substantive answer. 894 01:18:16,626 --> 01:18:19,874 Then there you go. What more do you want? You can go out, and know that you're safe. 895 01:18:20,042 --> 01:18:23,750 Glenn, I'd like to talk to Alan before we go any further. 896 01:18:23,918 --> 01:18:26,418 When does he land? -In six hours. 897 01:18:26,582 --> 01:18:30,874 No. Absolutely not. We're sitting ducks here, Janine. It's 1pm in New York. 898 01:18:31,042 --> 01:18:34,750 If you don't get this out in the next four hours, you'll miss the evening news on the East Coast. 899 01:18:34,918 --> 01:18:38,458 But we can post later tonight. 900 01:18:38,626 --> 01:18:41,750 I'm sorry Glenn, but Alan's our editor in chief and I... 901 01:18:41,918 --> 01:18:44,918 Bullshit, the government knows that we have these documents now. 902 01:18:45,082 --> 01:18:49,166 The CIA could barge through this door any minute and you want more time. 903 01:18:49,334 --> 01:18:52,250 Act like a fucking journalist and stop stringing us along. 904 01:18:52,418 --> 01:18:55,334 I just stood my ground with the goddamn White House. 905 01:18:55,502 --> 01:18:58,874 I've risked my career. How dare you question my commitment to this story? 906 01:18:59,042 --> 01:19:01,750 Okay, let's just keep on... -No, you're right, I am questioning it. 907 01:19:01,918 --> 01:19:04,166 This is absolutely inappropriate. 908 01:19:04,334 --> 01:19:07,374 We are publishing ourselves. You're out. 909 01:19:17,502 --> 01:19:21,002 Alright, Glenn. We'll have it ready by 4pm. 910 01:19:21,166 --> 01:19:24,458 I have to go over the story once more -Why? 911 01:19:24,626 --> 01:19:27,294 Because it still needs editing, damn you. 912 01:19:27,458 --> 01:19:30,334 All this fucking intelligence jargon is hurting our brains. 913 01:19:30,502 --> 01:19:35,666 This PRISM story is still incomprehensible. -PRISM is the second story, Janine. 914 01:19:35,834 --> 01:19:40,250 Verizon is the first story. Have it ready to post by 4pm, 5 at the latest. 915 01:19:41,374 --> 01:19:44,918 No games, or we're gone. 916 01:20:01,874 --> 01:20:06,418 'THE TUNNEL' NSA OPS. CENTER OAHU, HAWAII - 2012 917 01:20:07,834 --> 01:20:11,626 So my new job was counter-spying on the Chinese 918 01:20:11,794 --> 01:20:15,666 At the NSA regional cryptological center on Oahu. 919 01:20:18,250 --> 01:20:20,666 You mind placing your bag down there, sir? 920 01:20:21,626 --> 01:20:25,042 No personal laptops, no usb sticks, no cell phones, 921 01:20:25,210 --> 01:20:28,582 No electronic devices of any kind? -No, sir. 922 01:20:41,294 --> 01:20:42,710 Thank you. 923 01:20:46,418 --> 01:20:49,958 Snow White, is that you? 924 01:20:51,502 --> 01:20:54,418 Gabriel? -Dude, what the hell are you doing here? 925 01:20:54,582 --> 01:20:56,582 Wow, this is amazing. 926 01:20:57,418 --> 01:21:02,666 What, do you work here? -Yeah, yeah. Three years, two months and uh, five days. 927 01:21:03,834 --> 01:21:06,126 But who's counting, right? 928 01:21:06,294 --> 01:21:09,042 It's like, who knew that a secret underground world war 2 air base 929 01:21:09,210 --> 01:21:12,126 would become munchy heaven for a thousand geeks. 930 01:21:12,294 --> 01:21:15,794 So there's good pizza? -Good pizza, yeah, it's important. The elevator's slow as shit, though. 931 01:21:16,794 --> 01:21:19,374 Jesus. -It's something else, huh? 932 01:21:20,502 --> 01:21:26,126 So, what deck are you working on? -You NTOC or ROC? 933 01:21:28,918 --> 01:21:31,874 Between you and me? NTOC. 934 01:21:32,042 --> 01:21:35,250 Cool. You get to hack the hackers. You're coming up in the world. 935 01:21:45,458 --> 01:21:47,502 Fresh brains for you, Trevor. 936 01:21:47,666 --> 01:21:50,210 Trevor James, Interactive Ops, Division Chief. 937 01:21:50,374 --> 01:21:52,458 Ed Snowden. -I've been briefed. 938 01:21:52,626 --> 01:21:57,210 Next door's NTOC. Defense. That's where you'll be workin'. 939 01:21:57,374 --> 01:22:00,210 Over here we have ROC, our offense. 940 01:22:00,374 --> 01:22:04,958 Now, I move between the two. We run a tight ship here, Snowden. -Yes, sir. 941 01:22:05,126 --> 01:22:09,002 You'll be workin' with Haynes. -Patrick Haynes. Good to you have you. 942 01:22:09,166 --> 01:22:12,334 You watch out for him. The smartest guy in the building right here. 943 01:22:12,502 --> 01:22:15,250 Bro, how many languages do you speak again? 944 01:22:15,418 --> 01:22:19,374 Seven in Code, six spoken, two sign language. 945 01:22:19,542 --> 01:22:22,542 I some American Sign Language. 946 01:22:22,710 --> 01:22:24,582 That's awesome. 947 01:22:24,750 --> 01:22:29,042 Great. Another language I can't understand. -I'll check you later, Ed. 948 01:22:34,166 --> 01:22:36,042 Wait for it. 949 01:22:37,334 --> 01:22:39,626 Any moment. 950 01:22:43,250 --> 01:22:48,874 Lights over Waziristan, gentlemen. -So, what exactly do we contribute to this? 951 01:22:49,042 --> 01:22:52,334 The underside of that Reaper drone is fixed with a big ass antenna. 952 01:22:52,502 --> 01:22:55,582 Snarfing the hardware ID of anything that broadcasts. 953 01:22:55,750 --> 01:23:00,750 We, then geo locate em'. My friend Tasha here with the Air Force reins Hellfire. There she is now. 954 01:23:00,918 --> 01:23:04,210 Hey, Trev. You likin' the show? -You know it. 955 01:23:04,374 --> 01:23:07,834 We track 'em, you whack 'em. -And who did we just track? 956 01:23:08,002 --> 01:23:12,834 Not who, what. We're targeting bad guys' cell phones. Sometimes a SIM card. 957 01:23:13,002 --> 01:23:18,210 Okay. And how do we know the bad guy is in possession of the bad cell phone? 958 01:23:18,374 --> 01:23:22,918 We don't. - Of course we do. JSOC and CIA have their people in the field. 959 01:23:24,210 --> 01:23:26,250 What's the program name? 960 01:23:26,418 --> 01:23:30,710 Epic Shelter. It was originally some backup program for uh... 961 01:23:32,166 --> 01:23:36,166 Catastrophic site failure. -Yeah. How did you know that? 962 01:23:37,250 --> 01:23:43,750 I built it. -You? -Yeah, you know actually, I've been thinking about another use for Epic Shelter. 963 01:23:45,042 --> 01:23:46,710 What'd you have in mind? 964 01:23:46,874 --> 01:23:50,750 Well, I was chatting with Jim Lowell about how there were so many programs... -Deputy Director Lowell? 965 01:23:50,918 --> 01:23:57,294 Yeah, yeah. And we were saying there are so many programs nowadays, it's kind of impossible to keep track of them anymore. 966 01:23:57,458 --> 01:24:00,374 Right? So why create a centralized database? 967 01:24:00,542 --> 01:24:04,126 Ah, like an index? -Yeah, exactly. Something that updates in real time. 968 01:24:04,294 --> 01:24:07,666 We've already got Epic Shelter collecting our finished intel. 969 01:24:07,834 --> 01:24:11,126 We just need a web portal to catalog it. 970 01:24:11,294 --> 01:24:14,542 Make it searchable. -Let me think about it. 971 01:24:14,710 --> 01:24:18,918 In any case, I'd have to run it past Fort Meade. -course. -Did you have a name? 972 01:24:19,082 --> 01:24:22,750 Yeah, if it's not taken, I'd call it Heartbeat. 973 01:24:24,374 --> 01:24:25,918 Heartbeat. 974 01:24:26,082 --> 01:24:30,542 ... five, four, three, two, one. 975 01:24:31,126 --> 01:24:33,250 Engage target. 976 01:24:47,250 --> 01:24:50,502 You okay down there? -Yep. 977 01:24:51,794 --> 01:24:55,294 This is why I keep saying we need to hike more. 978 01:24:55,458 --> 01:24:57,710 You're right. -Hey, can you look at me? 979 01:25:00,042 --> 01:25:02,458 Come on. It's been years. 980 01:25:02,626 --> 01:25:06,042 By social media standards, you don't even exist anymore. 981 01:25:06,210 --> 01:25:11,002 Just one. Smile. Show me your teeth. 982 01:25:12,750 --> 01:25:15,874 My elusive E. Finally captured. 983 01:25:16,042 --> 01:25:18,958 So now I'm a viable boyfriend? -Yes. 984 01:25:21,082 --> 01:25:24,126 Such a shame. You used to be such a cute little model. 985 01:25:24,294 --> 01:25:27,210 Little? -Yeah. -Oh, I was little? -Wait! 986 01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:31,418 Stop. 987 01:25:32,918 --> 01:25:36,626 Oh my God. I think you've got some sun. 988 01:25:36,794 --> 01:25:41,542 I'm serious. It looks good. -Oh, that's impossible. 989 01:25:41,710 --> 01:25:46,710 Hey, um, I've been meaning to ask you, by the way, did you switch pharmacies? 990 01:25:47,834 --> 01:25:50,374 'Cause, I tried to pick up your prescription 991 01:25:50,542 --> 01:25:55,374 and I couldn't. Why did you do it? 992 01:25:57,502 --> 01:26:01,666 Uh, because I was there and thought it would be helpful. 993 01:26:13,918 --> 01:26:16,542 I stopped taking the Tegretol. 994 01:26:18,002 --> 01:26:21,874 What? When? -Couple months ago. 995 01:26:22,042 --> 01:26:26,418 And you're just now telling me? -I wanted to tell you. 996 01:26:26,582 --> 01:26:29,082 I just... I can't take that stuff. It makes me groggy. 997 01:26:29,250 --> 01:26:33,082 And I need to be sharp for work. I need to be on the ball all the time. 998 01:26:33,250 --> 01:26:36,710 What is it about this fucking job that makes it more important than your life? 999 01:26:38,294 --> 01:26:41,374 I don't understand. -Our Government... 1000 01:26:43,458 --> 01:26:45,210 Our government, what? 1001 01:26:45,374 --> 01:26:51,166 Our government is hemorrhaging billions of of dollars every year to Chinese hackers. 1002 01:26:51,334 --> 01:26:54,794 And I've been hired to shut them down. 1003 01:26:55,834 --> 01:26:59,874 A lot of people are depending on me. 1004 01:27:00,666 --> 01:27:03,210 More so than anyone else? 1005 01:27:04,458 --> 01:27:05,750 Yes. 1006 01:27:08,458 --> 01:27:12,210 No, this ... this is bullshit. 1007 01:27:15,458 --> 01:27:19,834 Didn't come to Hawaii for you to heal, did we? 1008 01:27:20,750 --> 01:27:24,126 There's never going to be a less stressful job out there. 1009 01:27:24,294 --> 01:27:28,374 I feel like I'm made to do this, and if I don't do it, then 1010 01:27:28,542 --> 01:27:32,250 I don't know anybody else that can. 1011 01:27:33,294 --> 01:27:38,002 It's like I'm... I'm on a trajectory that I can't turn back from. 1012 01:27:41,374 --> 01:27:43,750 You can always turn back. 1013 01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:51,626 What I wanted to see is if you could give me a yes or no answer to the qu 1014 01:27:51,794 --> 01:27:56,374 Does the NSA collect any type of data at all 1015 01:27:56,542 --> 01:28:01,126 on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans? 1016 01:28:01,294 --> 01:28:04,542 No, sir. -It does not? 1017 01:28:05,666 --> 01:28:07,750 Not wittingly. 1018 01:28:07,918 --> 01:28:12,334 There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps collect, 1019 01:28:12,502 --> 01:28:15,418 but not--not wittingly. -Oh,really? 1020 01:28:15,582 --> 01:28:19,294 Thank you. Ill have additional questions to give you in writing on that point... 1021 01:28:20,082 --> 01:28:25,666 Okay, so uh, what I wanted to show you guys is uh, this slide I ran across 1022 01:28:25,834 --> 01:28:28,626 while building this indexing program. 1023 01:28:28,794 --> 01:28:33,210 And what is this? -OK, so this is data collection for the month of March. 1024 01:28:33,374 --> 01:28:37,374 Worldwide. E-mails and Skype calls. France. 70 million. 1025 01:28:37,542 --> 01:28:39,750 Germany. 500 million. 1026 01:28:39,918 --> 01:28:42,458 Brazil. Two billion. 1027 01:28:42,626 --> 01:28:45,042 Inside the U.S. 1028 01:28:45,210 --> 01:28:50,250 3.1 billion e-mails and calls. That's not including any of the telco company data. 1029 01:28:50,418 --> 01:28:52,834 Okay, so what's the collection in Russia? 1030 01:28:53,002 --> 01:28:56,502 Russia is 1.5 billion. 1031 01:28:56,666 --> 01:29:01,082 Wait, so we're collecting twice as much in the U.S. as we are in Russia? -Yeah, I figured it would be a lot, but... 1032 01:29:01,250 --> 01:29:03,334 This shit is out of hand, man. 1033 01:29:04,666 --> 01:29:07,458 Wait, have you shown this to anyone else? -No, you guys are the first. 1034 01:29:07,626 --> 01:29:12,002 Yeah, you know I'd be careful about that. It could seem like you're rocking the boat. 1035 01:29:12,166 --> 01:29:16,082 Yeah, you're right. I just um, I needed to know if I was the only one that 1036 01:29:16,250 --> 01:29:18,502 thought this was crazy. 1037 01:29:18,666 --> 01:29:21,666 The fuck's going on? -Hey, Trev. -What are you doing in here? 1038 01:29:21,834 --> 01:29:25,874 It's nothing. I was just showing them this one slide, I needed some input. 1039 01:29:26,042 --> 01:29:29,126 Why the heat map? -It's my bad, Trev. 1040 01:29:29,294 --> 01:29:32,874 I made a bet with Ed about which country we were collecting the most signals from. 1041 01:29:33,042 --> 01:29:36,294 He said Iran and I said Pakistan. 1042 01:29:36,458 --> 01:29:39,250 Who won? -Ed. 1043 01:29:42,334 --> 01:29:44,626 Yeah, I'm gonna head out. I'll see you guys. 1044 01:29:44,794 --> 01:29:47,582 You're going down next time. -Yeah, okay. 1045 01:29:48,750 --> 01:29:51,458 No more bets. And I don't want anyone unauthorized in here again. 1046 01:29:53,126 --> 01:29:55,250 Especially not with Heartbeat. - 1047 01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,056 Happy Birthday! 1048 01:30:17,516 --> 01:30:21,388 In Vegas, looking at Afghanistan, so we're working late hours 1049 01:30:21,556 --> 01:30:24,888 This blurry object comes wandering into the strike zone. 1050 01:30:25,056 --> 01:30:29,516 We all knew that it was a kid. Poof, he's gone. 1051 01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,096 Call in for clarification, report came back cold. 1052 01:30:34,264 --> 01:30:36,972 It was a dog. Okay, fine. 1053 01:30:37,140 --> 01:30:41,264 Shift's long. Day and night. 1054 01:30:41,432 --> 01:30:44,596 The same village two, three days later. 1055 01:30:44,764 --> 01:30:48,432 We see the funeral. We knew it was the kid they buried. 1056 01:30:48,596 --> 01:30:53,264 Moms and dads were wailin'. And then the ord 1057 01:30:54,224 --> 01:30:56,932 Poof. 1058 01:30:57,096 --> 01:31:00,180 And they are gone in a cloud of dust. 1059 01:31:04,224 --> 01:31:07,304 I mean all of them. The whole fucking family. 1060 01:31:07,472 --> 01:31:11,264 But the crazy thing is that you come home after work 1061 01:31:11,432 --> 01:31:15,556 kiss the wife and kids, back to work the next day. 1062 01:31:15,724 --> 01:31:20,804 Pretty soon, you know, it just all becomes routine. 1063 01:31:23,596 --> 01:31:27,016 Fuck that. You make it sound criminal, man. 1064 01:31:27,180 --> 01:31:31,016 It's war, it's a job. -I dunno know, man. 1065 01:31:31,180 --> 01:31:35,388 Think jobs can't be criminal? -No, not if you're working for the government. 1066 01:31:35,556 --> 01:31:38,516 You ever hear about the Nuremburg trials, Trev? 1067 01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,680 They weren't that long ago. -Yeah. 1068 01:31:41,848 --> 01:31:44,224 And we hung the Nazi big shots, right? 1069 01:31:44,388 --> 01:31:48,848 Yeah. Well, the big shots were the first trial, but then the next trial 1070 01:31:49,016 --> 01:31:54,472 were just the judges, and lawyers, and police men, guards. 1071 01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:59,680 Ordinary people just doing their jobs. Following orders. 1072 01:31:59,848 --> 01:32:05,848 That's where we got the Nuremberg principles, which then, the UN made into international law 1073 01:32:06,016 --> 01:32:11,304 just in case ordinary jobs become criminal again. 1074 01:32:14,180 --> 01:32:16,472 Just sayin'. 1075 01:32:42,432 --> 01:32:44,724 ...even fucking touch me... 1076 01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:03,848 Oh my God! -Dude, you okay? 1077 01:33:04,848 --> 01:33:08,348 You okay, man? -Get away. Don't touch him. 1078 01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:42,972 Hey, Ed, how are you? How's your health? 1079 01:33:43,140 --> 01:33:45,848 Hey, Corbin. Ah, it's... 1080 01:33:47,848 --> 01:33:50,432 It's fine. Thanks for asking. 1081 01:33:50,596 --> 01:33:54,140 It must be nerve racking, living with that condition. 1082 01:33:54,304 --> 01:33:56,972 You wouldn't know it. Look at your numbers. 1083 01:33:57,140 --> 01:34:00,848 200 Chinese IPs down in your first four months. 1084 01:34:02,972 --> 01:34:05,596 Those are uh, internal numbers. 1085 01:34:05,764 --> 01:34:09,556 Your colleague Trevor, is out of the CIA like you. 1086 01:34:09,724 --> 01:34:13,724 He's been keeping me informed of your progress. 1087 01:34:14,972 --> 01:34:19,140 It's outstanding work. Heartbeat, as well. 1088 01:34:19,304 --> 01:34:24,180 Thank you. Thanks. That means a lot. -Lowell is very pleased. 1089 01:34:24,348 --> 01:34:28,224 He sends his regards. -That's great to hear. 1090 01:34:29,056 --> 01:34:30,888 He um... 1091 01:34:34,016 --> 01:34:37,264 He doesn't know about your heat map conversations 1092 01:34:37,432 --> 01:34:41,264 or some of the ideas you've expressed to your colleagues. 1093 01:34:41,432 --> 01:34:44,764 And he's not going to. -Yeah, uh... 1094 01:34:45,972 --> 01:34:51,764 You know, Heartbeat is proving a tricky project. Collating from multiple agencies. 1095 01:34:51,932 --> 01:34:54,596 And knowing where to pull from. 1096 01:34:54,764 --> 01:34:58,972 It has helped to talk it over with colleagues. 1097 01:34:59,140 --> 01:35:04,972 I believe in you. Which is why nothing to you after the derog in Geneva. 1098 01:35:06,224 --> 01:35:09,096 And I'm very grateful you've looked out for me. 1099 01:35:09,264 --> 01:35:15,432 Or after you "omitted the truth" in your polygraph. 1100 01:35:17,432 --> 01:35:20,432 What was it you were withholding exactly? 1101 01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:31,724 You remember that day in class you were talking to us about 1102 01:35:33,016 --> 01:35:36,640 You said that they approved Bush's wiretapping programs. 1103 01:35:38,180 --> 01:35:42,224 Sometimes we're restricted from telling the whole truth. 1104 01:35:43,388 --> 01:35:47,432 Doesn't give us permission to lie. -Corbin. 1105 01:35:47,596 --> 01:35:51,264 The Director of National Intelligence just lied to Congress. 1106 01:35:54,140 --> 01:35:56,016 Sorry. 1107 01:36:00,348 --> 01:36:02,140 Look at me. 1108 01:36:07,556 --> 01:36:11,388 Did you access an unauthorized program? 1109 01:36:11,556 --> 01:36:14,224 That I did not know about? 1110 01:36:20,140 --> 01:36:23,680 Yes. It was, uh... 1111 01:36:25,516 --> 01:36:30,804 It was in Geneva, it was Lindsay, I was jealous. And I'm sorry. 1112 01:36:30,972 --> 01:36:33,516 I never did it again. 1113 01:36:46,180 --> 01:36:47,556 Listen... 1114 01:36:51,224 --> 01:36:54,932 I know it's been up and down with you and Lindsay since Geneva. 1115 01:36:55,096 --> 01:36:59,848 It's tough...keep any relationship going. Few of us do. 1116 01:37:02,140 --> 01:37:08,972 So if it will give you any peace of mind, I can assure you she's not sleeping with that photographer friend of hers. 1117 01:37:10,304 --> 01:37:13,016 if that's what you're thinking. 1118 01:37:16,180 --> 01:37:21,848 I have to go to a FIVE EYES conference in Sydney in a couple of week. I'll stop by Hawaii on the way back. 1119 01:37:23,764 --> 01:37:26,016 Okay? 1120 01:37:26,724 --> 01:37:29,264 Okay. Thank you. 1121 01:37:31,848 --> 01:37:34,056 I'll see you soon. 1122 01:37:49,264 --> 01:37:51,140 Hey Dad. 1123 01:37:52,304 --> 01:37:55,596 Did you get the e-mail I sent you with the photos? 1124 01:37:59,472 --> 01:38:02,472 I was hoping you could delete them. 1125 01:38:11,140 --> 01:38:13,348 What are you doing? 1126 01:38:34,472 --> 01:38:36,432 Sit down. 1127 01:38:42,764 --> 01:38:47,056 Your e-mail is being monitored. -So? 1128 01:38:48,304 --> 01:38:52,016 Well, it's different now. It's not passive collection. It's full tape surveillance. 1129 01:38:52,180 --> 01:38:55,472 It's your all of your e-mails, calls, texts, social media. Everything. 1130 01:38:55,640 --> 01:39:00,180 It's also possible that the house is bugged. 1131 01:39:00,348 --> 01:39:03,388 I'm not sure. -By who? 1132 01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:07,348 By a senior officer at the CIA. 1133 01:39:08,472 --> 01:39:12,224 You in trouble? Is it the Chinese thing? 1134 01:39:12,388 --> 01:39:16,016 Look, there's things that I wish I could tell you 1135 01:39:16,180 --> 01:39:20,804 but I can't because you could get very hurt. 1136 01:39:20,972 --> 01:39:24,016 What's keeping you safe is that you don't know anything. 1137 01:39:30,596 --> 01:39:34,140 I'm sorry. I really am. I didn't want any of this for you. 1138 01:39:35,804 --> 01:39:40,180 But I know you would think I was doing the right thing. 1139 01:39:44,932 --> 01:39:51,516 So just listen to me for a sec, okay? When we go back in the house, everything has to appear normal. 1140 01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:53,848 We're gonna act like nothing is changed. 1141 01:39:54,016 --> 01:39:58,056 But if you do notice something that's weird, you need to tell me right away. 1142 01:39:58,224 --> 01:40:02,224 And you're gonna use encrypted e-mail that I'm setting up for you. 1143 01:40:02,388 --> 01:40:06,472 I don't think I can do this. -Yes, you can. I know you can. 1144 01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:12,264 Do I even have a choice? -I'm asking you to trust me. 1145 01:40:20,348 --> 01:40:24,724 Linz, I think it'd be best if you went back to Maryland for a while. 1146 01:40:24,888 --> 01:40:28,680 Tell your parents that I'm away on a business trip. 1147 01:40:28,848 --> 01:40:33,140 And that you're homesick. -Are you going away? 1148 01:40:33,304 --> 01:40:36,016 Yes, but just for a little while. 1149 01:40:45,432 --> 01:40:49,724 No, I can't go. -Please, just until I get back? -I can't go. 1150 01:40:51,224 --> 01:40:55,680 You just said that we have to appear like nothing's changed. 1151 01:40:55,848 --> 01:40:59,804 If both of us left at the same time, wouldn't that seem suspicious? 1152 01:41:09,932 --> 01:41:12,724 I will do this for you. 1153 01:41:16,388 --> 01:41:18,932 But it is the last time. 1154 01:41:41,596 --> 01:41:45,680 We will meet in the mall, opposite the Mira Hotel, on the Monday two weeks from now. 1155 01:41:45,848 --> 01:41:49,640 I will be holding a Rubik's cube. More to follow... 1156 01:41:54,932 --> 01:41:57,016 You hear about Trevor, bro? 1157 01:41:57,180 --> 01:42:00,432 You know that op to own the Internet in Syria? 1158 01:42:00,596 --> 01:42:04,888 Yeah, Trevor and his TIO team crashed the core router. 1159 01:42:05,056 --> 01:42:08,224 The whole country has gone dark. -Jesus Christ. 1160 01:42:08,388 --> 01:42:11,304 Figure it out! -Poor bastards. 1161 01:42:13,264 --> 01:42:16,096 K, I'm gonna, uh, I gotta get to work. -Yeah, yeah, me too. 1162 01:42:17,264 --> 01:42:20,724 Oh, hey. How's Heartbeat coming? 1163 01:42:21,932 --> 01:42:25,596 It's close. It's very close. 1164 01:42:28,516 --> 01:42:31,096 Don't tell me you're involved in this too. 1165 01:42:31,264 --> 01:42:36,596 Well, Trevor fucking roped me into going through the zero day exploit codes. It's a big fucking mess, man. 1166 01:42:38,848 --> 01:42:42,140 Why did I agree to it? -Good luck. 1167 01:45:08,180 --> 01:45:11,764 Hung em like an ?? out to dry. -Yeah. 1168 01:45:12,932 --> 01:45:15,016 Trouble with the Navy? 1169 01:45:15,180 --> 01:45:19,388 One of those idiots ripped some bullshit piece of Israeli Code and jammed it down our payload.You fuckin' believe that? 1170 01:45:19,556 --> 01:45:23,388 Script kiddies? -I know, I know. I should have listened to you. Goddammit. 1171 01:45:23,556 --> 01:45:25,304 Is this it? -Here it is. 1172 01:45:25,472 --> 01:45:28,516 The Israelis must fucking take the fall for this. 1173 01:45:32,472 --> 01:45:35,724 I'm not taking the fall for this. 1174 01:45:44,388 --> 01:45:45,972 Patrick. 1175 01:45:51,056 --> 01:45:53,640 I might not see you again. 1176 01:45:55,972 --> 01:45:59,096 You gonna leave me here... 1177 01:45:59,264 --> 01:46:01,848 with Captain America? 1178 01:46:02,016 --> 01:46:03,680 Thanks a lot. 1179 01:46:05,348 --> 01:46:09,848 The NSA may come after you. 1180 01:46:11,264 --> 01:46:14,016 I don't know what you're talking about. 1181 01:46:48,388 --> 01:46:52,640 You headed home already? -Yeah. I'm not feeling so well. 1182 01:46:53,804 --> 01:46:56,388 Might not be in tomorrow either. 1183 01:46:56,556 --> 01:46:59,680 You know, Trevor's kinda busy, maybe you could let him know for me? 1184 01:46:59,848 --> 01:47:02,056 Yeah, it'd be my pleasure. 1185 01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:09,516 You know, if you're uh, if you're really not feeling well, dude, maybe you should go back to the States and see your doctor. 1186 01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:13,264 I think that, you know, folks would understand that. 1187 01:47:15,596 --> 01:47:17,640 Sounds like a smart thing. 1188 01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:28,016 Take care of yourself. -Yeah, you too, bro. 1189 01:47:51,474 --> 01:47:54,018 Hey, you ever play with one of these? 1190 01:47:54,182 --> 01:47:57,142 Yeah, when I was a kid. 1191 01:47:57,310 --> 01:48:00,726 You should try it. It's hard. 1192 01:48:19,894 --> 01:48:22,974 I can't figure this out. 1193 01:48:27,518 --> 01:48:29,182 I don't know about this. 1194 01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:33,974 You gotta start with a white cross, actually, then you do the corners. 1195 01:48:34,142 --> 01:48:37,434 Ah man, well I love these things. 1196 01:48:37,602 --> 01:48:40,850 Hey, have a good weekend, man. -You too, buddy. 1197 01:49:36,088 --> 01:49:38,960 It's live. 1198 01:49:39,128 --> 01:49:41,836 WEDNESDAY, June 5, 2013 1199 01:49:42,420 --> 01:49:46,044 There's a link to the FISA court order. 1200 01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:55,836 Well done, Janine. I told you she was no pushover. 1201 01:49:56,004 --> 01:49:59,712 Well, it feels so goddamn good to be wrong. 1202 01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:06,172 NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily. 1203 01:50:06,336 --> 01:50:10,252 Breaking news tonight. Reports that through a secret court order, the Obama administration 1204 01:50:10,420 --> 01:50:13,380 is collecting the phone records of millions of Verizon customers. 1205 01:50:13,544 --> 01:50:16,460 That's been reported by The Guardian newspaper in the UK. 1206 01:50:16,628 --> 01:50:22,212 They said court order shows that all the information is going to the National Security Agency. CNN has reached out to multiple sources to confirm t 1207 01:50:22,380 --> 01:50:24,796 How is that for mainstream media, Glenn? 1208 01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:29,504 They can't shut this down now, we've got four days more days of it. -They have no idea what they're in store for. 1209 01:50:29,672 --> 01:50:32,296 It's fantastic. 1210 01:50:33,460 --> 01:50:37,672 Another explosive article, has just appeared, this time in the Washington Post. 1211 01:50:37,836 --> 01:50:43,088 It's breaking news that it reveals another broad and secret U.S. government surveillance program. 1212 01:50:43,252 --> 01:50:47,296 The Washington Post and the Guardian in London reporting 1213 01:50:47,460 --> 01:50:53,588 that the NSA and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading internet companies 1214 01:50:53,752 --> 01:50:57,336 including Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, AOL, 1215 01:50:57,504 --> 01:51:00,088 Skype, YouTube, and Apple. 1216 01:51:00,252 --> 01:51:04,672 The Post says they're extracting audio, video, photographs, e-mails, documents, 1217 01:51:04,836 --> 01:51:10,628 and connection logs that enable analysts to track a person's movements and contacts over time. 1218 01:51:10,796 --> 01:51:13,920 FRIDAY, June 7, 2013 1219 01:51:14,088 --> 01:51:20,836 In the abstract, you can complain about Big Brother and how this is a potential program run amok, 1220 01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:26,836 but when you actually look at the details, then I think weve struck the right balance. 1221 01:51:27,004 --> 01:51:31,712 U.S. President Barack Obama staunchly defends U.S. government programs 1222 01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:35,336 insisting that they were conducted with broad safeguards 1223 01:51:35,504 --> 01:51:39,252 to protect against abuse. 1224 01:51:39,420 --> 01:51:44,252 He reached the conclusion that what was happening inside this really secretive agency 1225 01:51:44,420 --> 01:51:50,628 was very threatening and menacing to privacy rights, to Internet freedom, to basic political liberty. 1226 01:51:50,796 --> 01:51:55,672 Not only in the United States but all around the world. And he felt it was his duty 1227 01:51:55,836 --> 01:51:58,920 as a human being to disclose it. 1228 01:52:08,752 --> 01:52:13,336 My name is Ed Snowden. I'm 29 years old. I work for Booz Allen Hamilton. 1229 01:52:13,504 --> 01:52:16,880 as an infrastructure analyst for NSA in Hawaii. 1230 01:52:29,796 --> 01:52:33,960 Well, you can't come forward against the most powerful intelligence agencies in the world 1231 01:52:34,128 --> 01:52:38,920 without expecting to have some risk. They're just such powerful adversaries. 1232 01:52:39,088 --> 01:52:45,836 No one can meaningfully oppose them. If they wanna get you, they will get you in time. 1233 01:52:46,004 --> 01:52:48,044 The kid did it. 1234 01:52:48,212 --> 01:52:54,044 ...get worse for the next generation, if they extend the capabilities of this sort of architecture of oppression. 1235 01:52:54,212 --> 01:52:58,672 Then you realize that you might willing to accept any risk 1236 01:52:58,836 --> 01:53:04,544 as long as the public is able to make their own decision about how this is applied. 1237 01:53:04,712 --> 01:53:08,172 Because, even if you haven't done anything wrong, you're being watched. 1238 01:53:10,004 --> 01:53:13,336 I had access to the entire intelligence community. 1239 01:53:13,504 --> 01:53:16,544 So if I had wanted to harm the U.S. 1240 01:53:16,712 --> 01:53:20,712 ...you could shut down the entire analyst system in an afternoon. 1241 01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:27,504 But that was never my intention, and I think anybody that's making that argument 1242 01:53:27,672 --> 01:53:29,628 They have to think. 1243 01:53:29,796 --> 01:53:32,088 If they were in my position 1244 01:53:32,252 --> 01:53:35,836 Living in Hawaii, in paradise, making a ton of money, 1245 01:53:36,004 --> 01:53:40,920 what would it take, to make you leave everything behind? 1246 01:53:41,088 --> 01:53:44,796 The fear that I've had most 1247 01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:49,252 in regards to the outcome for America with these disclosures 1248 01:53:49,420 --> 01:53:54,420 is that nothing will change in the coming months, and the coming years, it will just get worse. 1249 01:53:54,588 --> 01:53:58,252 And then, eventually, at some point 1250 01:53:58,420 --> 01:54:01,880 some new leader will be elected 1251 01:54:02,044 --> 01:54:06,128 who flips the switch 1252 01:54:06,296 --> 01:54:13,672 and the people won't be able to do anything by that point to oppose it. 1253 01:54:13,836 --> 01:54:18,336 And it'll be turnkey tyranny. 1254 01:54:18,504 --> 01:54:22,588 How you holdin' up? -Yeah, I'll be fine. 1255 01:54:22,752 --> 01:54:25,752 You guys have to start watching after yourselves now. 1256 01:54:27,252 --> 01:54:33,960 You know, if you have any reason to believe that you're about to 1257 01:54:34,128 --> 01:54:39,544 be raided or intercepted or breached in any way, you format and destroy all the data immediately. 1258 01:54:39,712 --> 01:54:42,504 You have the encrypted backups. 1259 01:54:42,672 --> 01:54:44,920 Now I... 1260 01:54:47,544 --> 01:54:51,960 I no longer have any access to these files, myself. You guys have them all. 1261 01:54:56,212 --> 01:55:00,544 Keep the focus on the stories. That's all that matters. 1262 01:55:00,712 --> 01:55:04,004 If you'll excuse me, it's... 1263 01:55:05,128 --> 01:55:08,296 We should all get some rest. We could use it. 1264 01:55:08,460 --> 01:55:12,588 Yeah, I should probably lay down in a soft bed, while I still have one available, right? 1265 01:55:14,252 --> 01:55:16,380 Rest well. -Thank you. 1266 01:55:18,460 --> 01:55:21,336 See you tomorrow. -Good night. 1267 01:55:50,088 --> 01:55:54,252 Can you at least tell me where you're going? 1268 01:56:17,172 --> 01:56:20,044 Listen, I know that I... -Shh. 1269 01:56:29,296 --> 01:56:32,460 MONDAY, June 10, 2013 1270 01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:40,088 Ewen, I'm on the second floor. 1271 01:56:40,252 --> 01:56:42,420 I don't see Tibbo. 1272 01:56:44,128 --> 01:56:46,712 No, no-no, wait, I think I see him. 1273 01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:51,380 Shit. There's press swarming all over the hotel. 1274 01:56:51,544 --> 01:56:55,088 Yeah, I don't know. I'll figure it out and I'll stop them with a press conference or something. 1275 01:56:55,252 --> 01:57:01,252 Look, we really appreciate this you're one of the best lawyers in Hong Kong. 1276 01:57:01,420 --> 01:57:06,752 We're gonna take him to the UN first, then I prefer not to reveal. I understand... 1277 01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:10,672 Shit, they've spotted me. You guys get going. 1278 01:57:12,420 --> 01:57:16,296 I will answer your questions in an orderly fashion. Please. 1279 01:57:16,460 --> 01:57:19,504 Did you get them? -Yeah, this is the best I could do. 1280 01:57:19,672 --> 01:57:22,712 You'll be meeting Tibbo in five minutes. 1281 01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:26,752 On the skybridge opposite the large mall. 1282 01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:33,628 I've met a lot of astonishing people in my life, but you... 1283 01:57:35,460 --> 01:57:38,544 Okay, laddie, off you go. 1284 01:57:38,712 --> 01:57:41,296 I won't let you down. 1285 01:57:41,460 --> 01:57:45,212 You'd make a shitty journalist without a camera. 1286 01:57:45,380 --> 01:57:47,836 You sure? 1287 01:57:48,004 --> 01:57:51,296 Okay. That's a pretty good idea. 1288 01:57:52,796 --> 01:57:55,044 Thanks. 1289 01:57:56,044 --> 01:57:58,504 You don't want to leave your luck behind. 1290 01:57:58,672 --> 01:58:02,628 Oh, I think I'd like you to have that. 1291 01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:07,960 Thanks. For everything. -Thank you. 1292 01:58:31,588 --> 01:58:33,880 I have a van on the street. 1293 01:58:38,088 --> 01:58:41,672 NSA leaker Edward Snowden has now been charged formally with 1294 01:58:41,836 --> 01:58:46,420 espionage, theft and conversion of government property. 1295 01:58:46,588 --> 01:58:51,004 US officials have asked Hong Kong to detain the former contractor on provisional arrest warrant. 1296 01:58:51,172 --> 01:58:55,088 Snowden has been in Hong Kong since May. -Reportedly, on May 20th... 1297 01:58:58,172 --> 01:59:02,504 Snowden has checked out of the luxury hotel in Hong Kong where he had been holed up. 1298 01:59:04,380 --> 01:59:06,088 You might turn your eyes away. 1299 01:59:06,252 --> 01:59:10,088 The Justice Department had to go to Interpol, so that Snowden, 1300 01:59:10,252 --> 01:59:15,088 if he tried to cross a border, he could be intercepted and detained. 1301 01:59:15,252 --> 01:59:19,796 So, again the Americans are now closing in. They almost certainly know where he is. 1302 01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:25,836 They just need Hong Kong's approval to get him. -The Hong Kong government does have an extradition agreement with Washington, but the ultimate d 1303 01:59:27,544 --> 01:59:31,752 The big question here is: Where is he now? 1304 01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:38,296 Thank you. This is Ed. Ed, Mayana. -Welcome. 1305 01:59:41,628 --> 01:59:44,920 These are good people. They won't talk. 1306 01:59:45,088 --> 01:59:48,172 I've been handling their cases for years. They're like you. -That's so nice. 1307 01:59:48,336 --> 01:59:50,296 They're stateless. -Yeah. 1308 01:59:50,460 --> 01:59:55,044 So, we're waiting on the UN application for refugee status. -Yeah. 1309 01:59:55,212 --> 01:59:59,380 Just in case you're arrested, this is where you can call me. -Yeah. 1310 02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:04,920 Good. -Thank you so much. 1311 02:00:08,544 --> 02:00:12,212 You may not feel it, Ed, 1312 02:00:12,380 --> 02:00:15,172 but you're not alone. 1313 02:00:18,296 --> 02:00:21,836 His longtime girlfriend, Lindsay Mills, an amateur photographer 1314 02:00:22,004 --> 02:00:27,212 has not been heard from. It's believed she's in seclusion in her parents' home in Maryland 1315 02:00:27,380 --> 02:00:32,504 and has been questioned by the FBI and remains under investigation. 1316 02:00:32,672 --> 02:00:36,420 Ten days have now gone by as the world looks for Edward Snowden. 1317 02:00:36,588 --> 02:00:39,960 Rumors have surfaced that a rich supporter is hiding Snowden 1318 02:00:40,128 --> 02:00:43,796 somewhere in the Hong Kong hills in a private mansion. 1319 02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:19,960 It is now confirmed that Edward Snowden has boarded a flight from Hong Kong to Moscow. 1320 02:01:20,128 --> 02:01:25,336 The State Department is very disappointed in the authorities in Hong Kong for letting Snowden go. 1321 02:01:25,504 --> 02:01:27,920 He was accompanied by a representative from WikiLeaks. 1322 02:01:28,088 --> 02:01:33,588 Snowden is trying to make his way from Russia to Cuba and then to Ecuador for political asylum. 1323 02:01:33,752 --> 02:01:37,128 Moscow airport officials say he won't be permitted to make his connected flight 1324 02:01:37,296 --> 02:01:39,752 because the U.S. government has revoked his passport. 1325 02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:44,044 The United States Secretary of State John Kerry is outraged 1326 02:01:44,212 --> 02:01:46,504 that Russia is refusing to arrest the American fugitive. 1327 02:01:46,672 --> 02:01:50,752 Now a man without a country is stranded inside the Moscow airport. 1328 02:01:50,920 --> 02:01:53,460 No, I'm not going to be scrambling jets 1329 02:01:53,628 --> 02:01:58,128 to get a 29-year-old hacker. 1330 02:01:59,380 --> 02:02:03,628 The president of Bolivia's plane was forced down in Austrian airspace today 1331 02:02:03,796 --> 02:02:07,796 on U.S. suspicions that Snowden may have been on board. 1332 02:02:07,960 --> 02:02:12,544 After 39 days at the airport hotel, he slept with his Russian lawyer 1333 02:02:12,712 --> 02:02:16,252 and a legal adviser from WikiLeaks, Sarah Harrison. 1334 02:02:16,420 --> 02:02:22,004 He can now enjoy all of the the sweet, sweet liberty allowed under the regime of president Vladimir Putin. 1335 02:02:22,172 --> 02:02:25,296 There is still a thing called execution. 1336 02:02:25,460 --> 02:02:28,044 Mr. Snowden actually deserves asylum and protection around the globe 1337 02:02:28,212 --> 02:02:31,752 but he does have asylum in Russia, at least. 1338 02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:33,420 He can engage in the debate he started. 1339 02:02:33,588 --> 02:02:36,628 And now the world now has an example that you can do the right thing. 1340 02:02:36,796 --> 02:02:40,420 You don't have to end up in a cage, one room, a prison. 1341 02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:45,252 After more than a year in the country under temporary asylum 1342 02:02:45,420 --> 02:02:50,628 Edward Snowden has received a three year residency permit in Russia. 1343 02:02:58,642 --> 02:03:03,014 And now, here, live from Moscow, Edward Snowden. 1344 02:03:05,058 --> 02:03:07,806 Hi, Ed. How are you doing? 1345 02:03:12,266 --> 02:03:16,806 Thank you. Uh, forgive me if I get my bearings a little bit here. 1346 02:03:16,974 --> 02:03:20,890 People always said I was kind of a robot. 1347 02:03:21,058 --> 02:03:23,014 How is it that you came to be in Russia? 1348 02:03:23,182 --> 02:03:27,850 Well, I never intended to come here, you know. My passport was revoked 1349 02:03:28,014 --> 02:03:32,182 on route to Latin America, so when people say, why are you in Russia? 1350 02:03:32,350 --> 02:03:35,806 I say: "Ask the State Department." 1351 02:03:35,974 --> 02:03:39,930 Does that mean you're willing to go back and face trial? 1352 02:03:40,098 --> 02:03:44,182 Absolutely. If it was a fair and public trial. 1353 02:03:44,350 --> 02:03:47,682 Unfortunately that's not what would happen right now 1354 02:03:47,850 --> 02:03:51,806 as long as the Espionage Act is being used against whistleblowers. 1355 02:03:53,014 --> 02:03:55,974 Do you still think it was worth it? -Yes, I do. 1356 02:03:56,142 --> 02:04:02,014 Without the information to start a public debate, we're lost. 1357 02:04:02,182 --> 02:04:08,430 You know, the people being able to question our government and hold it accountable. 1358 02:04:08,598 --> 02:04:13,430 that's the principle that the United States of America was founded on. 1359 02:04:13,598 --> 02:04:17,266 So, if we want to protect our national security 1360 02:04:17,430 --> 02:04:20,850 we should be protecting that principle. 1361 02:04:21,014 --> 02:04:26,514 What if your argument falls on deaf ears, what if our leaders don't act? 1362 02:04:26,682 --> 02:04:30,350 I believe that if nothing changes, 1363 02:04:30,514 --> 02:04:35,642 more and more people all over the world will come forward. 1364 02:04:35,806 --> 02:04:41,682 Whistleblowers and journalists, but also regular citizens. 1365 02:04:41,850 --> 02:04:45,974 And when those in power try to hide 1366 02:04:46,142 --> 02:04:51,514 by classifying everything, we will call them out on it. 1367 02:04:51,682 --> 02:04:57,806 And when they try to scare us into sacrificing our basic human rights, 1368 02:04:57,974 --> 02:05:02,306 we won't be intimidated. And we won't give up. 1369 02:05:02,474 --> 02:05:06,474 And we will not be silenced. 1370 02:05:06,642 --> 02:05:11,642 You're alone in a foreign country. You'll be extradited if you try to leave. 1371 02:05:11,806 --> 02:05:14,306 That must be hard. 1372 02:05:26,182 --> 02:05:28,766 When I left Hawaii, I lost... 1373 02:05:28,930 --> 02:05:31,222 ...everything. 1374 02:05:33,474 --> 02:05:36,350 You know, I had a stable life. 1375 02:05:38,514 --> 02:05:42,806 Stable love. Family. Future. 1376 02:05:44,182 --> 02:05:47,098 And I lost that life, but... 1377 02:05:49,182 --> 02:05:51,890 ...I've gained a new one. 1378 02:05:53,430 --> 02:05:55,642 And I'm incredibly fortunate. 1379 02:05:57,974 --> 02:06:00,430 And I think, 1380 02:06:00,598 --> 02:06:04,350 the greatest freedom that I've is the fact that I no longer have to worry about 1381 02:06:04,514 --> 02:06:09,514 what happens tomorrow, because I'm happy with what I've done today. 1382 02:06:14,250 --> 02:06:18,334 Live from the Internet, Edward Snowden. 1383 02:07:05,542 --> 02:07:08,418 As of this date, Edward Snowden resides in Moscow. 1384 02:07:08,586 --> 02:07:14,210 Lindsay Mills has moved there to join him. 1385 02:07:35,586 --> 02:07:41,126 Has your mind changed about him? Is he now more of a whistleblower than he is a hacker? 1386 02:08:18,626 --> 02:08:22,166 What is going to happen to Edward Snowden? -He's gonna die in Moscow. 1387 02:08:22,334 --> 02:08:24,750 He's not coming home. 1388 02:09:01,250 --> 02:09:03,542 Snowden, is he a traitor or a hero? 1389 02:09:03,710 --> 02:09:06,794 He stole very important information. 1390 02:09:25,626 --> 02:09:26,918 We have breaking news tonight. 1391 02:09:27,086 --> 02:09:31,374 Among the reports, work with Congress to change how the NSA collects phone records. 1392 02:09:31,542 --> 02:09:34,710 ...more transparency by the secret court 1393 02:09:34,874 --> 02:09:37,294 that regularly approves the surveillance... 1394 02:09:38,666 --> 02:09:43,586 Is it a victory for Edward Snowden? That's gonna depend on the eye of the beholder. 1395 02:09:43,750 --> 02:09:46,586 The American government was acting illegally. 1396 02:09:46,750 --> 02:09:51,086 I don't think he should be brought home without facing the music. 1397 02:09:51,250 --> 02:09:55,418 Snowden played a very important role in educating the American people 1398 02:09:55,586 --> 02:10:01,126 to the degree in which our civil liberties and our constitutional rights are being undermined. 1399 02:10:02,305 --> 02:10:08,519 Please rate this subtitle at www.osdb.link/855h5 Help other users to choose the best subtitles 127547

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