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TWIG CRACKS
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Hi, is this Nora Sand? Yes. Great.
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I'm Detective Inspector Spencer from
the Metropolitan Police in London.
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Do you have a moment? Yeah, sure.
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We've been contacted
by a solicitor for William Hickley.
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He'd like to talk to you
regarding your article.
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He's a convicted serial killer
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serving a life sentence over here
in England.
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He says he has some new information
regarding the case.
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So he read my piece
on Lisbeth and Lulu?
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I'm not sure how
he came across your name,
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but he specifically asked
for you to come and talk to him.
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And he's been locked up for
how long?He was arrested in '85.
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I know this is a lot to take in,
but would you think about it?
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Call me back. Yeah, sure.
Thank you very much.
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SHE TRANSLATES INTO DANISH:
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SCHOOL BELL RINGS
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LAUGHTER
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PA: Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be
landing at Heathrow in 20 minutes.
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Please put your seat back upright
and fasten your seatbelt.
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I read that he was only convicted
of two murders.
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Technically, there were only two.
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But he confessed to 15.
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It's a little unclear to me.
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Never had a chance to properly go
through the case with him.
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To me, it was just another
case in the archive.
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Something I never thought would be
relevant again.
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But why was he only
convicted of two murders?
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Those were the only two
the prosecution focused on.
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The evidence was strong and clear.
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It's a well known
strategy from prosecutors.
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By narrowing down the charge
more than necessary,
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what they're actually doing is
telling the jury
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that "Here, we are very, very
certain."
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And you know how things
were at the time.
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New public management
for the police.
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It was still Thatcher's Britain.
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Everything was subject to
cost-benefit analysis.
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Everyone knew that Hicks was mad
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and that it was impossible to verify
everything he claimed to have done.
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So the most important thing
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was to use the necessary resources
to lock him away for ever.
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Two murders were more than enough.
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And now he's got
information about two Danish girls.
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To be honest, I'm very
sceptical about everything he says.
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What's most likely,
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and this is his modus
operandi from what I understand -
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he lies to get attention.
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DOOR OPENS
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DOOR SLAMS SHUT
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I'm Nora Sand.
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I've come here from Denmark
because you wanted to talk to me.
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I took the photos.
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Any idea how copies could
end up with me?
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Probably one of my fans.
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Where did you meet Lisbeth Morgensen
and Lulu Brandt?
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On the ferry.
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What ferry? Between Esbjerg
and Harwich.
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What happened to the girls?
I killed them.
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I need evidence.
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Facts.
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I suggest we start
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by clarifying our expectations -
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what we all want to get
out of this meeting.
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Whatever happens, you're going to be
locked up here
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for the rest of your life.
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You have no opportunity for parole.
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Nor do you claim to be innocent.
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So that can't be why...
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..you want to talk.
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How do I know that you...
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..actually took those photos?
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That this is not something that
you are just making up?
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As I see it,
there are two possibilities.
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One is that you want to talk to me
because you...
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..want to unburden your conscience.
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But I have the feeling
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that your conscience is not
something you are struggling with,
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since you could have put all
of your cards on the table ages ago,
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instead of letting the...
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..victims' families
live in uncertainty.
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The other possibility is...
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..that you want more attention.
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Disappointed?
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No.
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We have a suspect in Denmark
already.
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The, er...the assistant coach?
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Yeah.
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And the evidence is piling
up against him.
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How do you think Hicks
became aware of you?
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What do you mean?
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How did he get hold of the article
you wrote about Lisbeth and Lulu?
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I don't know.
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But everything is online now, so it
shouldn't be that difficult, right?
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But a Danish article,
why would he search for that?
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I have no idea.
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Tell me about the assistant coach.
What do you have on him?
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He assaulted another
girl from the handball team,
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and there are several
complaints against him.
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We're also looking into him
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regarding a number of unsolved
cases.
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And the photographs of Lisbeth
and Lulu?
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You didn't mention in your article
how you got them.
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Where are you going with this?
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I'm just trying to understand.
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Understand what?
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I'm trying to understand why you
were involved in this case.
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The photographs were
placed in my father's mailbox,
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in an envelope with my name on it,
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but no sender.
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Anonymous? Yeah.
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And that doesn't bother you?
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No, I'm... I'm a quite well-known
journalist back in Denmark,
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so I receive tips sometimes,
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mostly from anonymous sources.
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And this case has ties
to my hometown, so...
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No, I don't find it that strange
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that I was the one who received
the photographs.
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What's the usual
motivation for these tips?
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Usually someone who wants attention
drawn to a certain issue.
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Could...the person who gave
you the photographs
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be the one who took
the pictures of Lisbeth and Lulu?
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The person that you're after?
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I mean,
it must have crossed your mind.
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Yeah, of course.
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And that doesn't scare you?
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No, not really.
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I mean, it could also be someone who
knows the perpetrator
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and wants to lead him to me.
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Or someone who somehow obtained the
photographs and wants to highlight
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that the police investigation
was insufficient.
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Could the one who tipped you off
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have tipped Hicks off too?
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There is no indication
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that Hicks has anything to do with
Lisbeth and Lulu.
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Right?
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No, there's no suggestion that he's
involved except for one thing...
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..that he reached out to you.
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I'm just trying to grasp
the connection.
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Maybe there is no connection.
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Maybe it's just coincidence and...
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..madness.
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Who knows what goes on in the mind
of a man like Hicks?
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Yes?
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When?
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OK.
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What do you want to know?
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You know what I'm after.
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What happened to Lisbeth and Lulu?
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How did you kill them?
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And where did you
dispose of their bodies?
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I had them both in my cellar.
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Um...
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Lisbeth was easy to do away with.
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She was weak.
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Lisbeth was strangled.
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And Lulu, she was strong.
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She was unusual.
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I didn't know what to do, so I...
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..I left her...
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..in the cellar for a while.
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She was a fighter,
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somebody who never gives up.
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She irritated me.
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I looked around the house
for a hammer
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or some sort of weapon,
but I couldn't find anything...
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..suitable.
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And I remember I was
halfway down into the cellar,
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and then I saw this old hoover
standing there.
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So I took it with me...
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..pulled open the cellar door.
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She looked at me...
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..puzzled.
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I remember she smiled, hesitantly,
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as if I might be coming down to
hoover the cellar.
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And I approached her...
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..and I, er...
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..struck her in the face
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with the hoover.
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At first, she went
sort of halfway down onto her side.
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It was heavy, one of those
old-fashioned types,
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probably before wartime.
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And then I hit her again.
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And again.
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Her face was...
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..destroyed.
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She could barely breathe.
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And then I just kicked her and...
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..smashed her in the head...
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..until I was sure she was dead.
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What did you do with their bodies?
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You know, all of this is
worthless...
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..unless you can give me
some evidence.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I understand.
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Hmm.
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You still can't tell me
where they were buried.
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CHAINS RATTLE
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SHE CRIES OUT
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What happened?
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This is where they were buried.
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Lisbeth and Lulu.
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In the sewers by the girls'
changing room.
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Hazelmead Park.
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OK.
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We'll check it out.
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When?
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As soon as we can, Nora.
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We'll follow it up, OK?
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It might take a few days. I need
a technical team and resources.
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It doesn't happen
in the blink of an eye.
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We just need to be patient.
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HE WALKS AWAY
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Coffee.
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Thanks.
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You couldn't wait.
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Sorry.
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You have an issue with basic trust.
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The technical
investigators are there now.
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Happy?
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Why on earth should I be happy?
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You solved the case.
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Huge effort, great work.
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Great journalism.
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Yep.
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Great journalism.
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I've been wrong about everything.
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So no, I am...
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I'm definitely not happy.
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PHONE VIBRATES
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Yeah?
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Yeah, OK.
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Let's go.
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I've got something to show you.
Come with me.
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Could it be the girls?
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Too early to tell.
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We found what appears to be
five bodies.
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Well, it seems that this is
the site of a mass grave.
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