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In the criminal justice system,
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the people are represented
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by two separate, yet
equally important groups:
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the police, who
investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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You look great.
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Are you sure?
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I swear.
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You're perfect.
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Okay, people.
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Places, everyone.
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Places!
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Quiet on set!
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And action.
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My Best Defense.
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It literally does everything.
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Shields your skin from harmful
UV rays, hides blemishes,
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leaves you looking
and feeling flawless.
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Use it as part of your
daily skincare routine.
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It's the only protection
you'll ever need.
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And cut!
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Beautiful.
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Let's reset and do
it one more time.
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There's a guy downstairs
looking for you.
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She's a kid.
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Can't be more than 16, 17.
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MLI says body temp and
rigidity puts time of death
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between 7:00 and 10:00 p.m.
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We got a name?
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No. No wallet,
no ID, no phone.
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Oh, boy.
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Looks like she went face
first into this dumpster, huh?
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Yeah, she was strangled too.
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Got petechial hemorrhaging in
her eyes, marks on her neck.
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Oh.
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Necktie.
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Make sure we get that to the
lab and have that tested.
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Clothing still intact, so
probably not a sexual assault.
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Who found the body?
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Maintenance guy from
the flower shop nearby.
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911 call came in at 8:07 p.m.
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You know, I noticed
they had a camera.
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Let's make sure we get
that footage, okay?
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Mm-hmm.
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Somebody lost their
child tonight.
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And they probably
don't even know it.
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About an hour ago, I was
taking out the trash.
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I saw her legs.
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And then all of a
sudden, a guy bolted
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from behind the dumpster.
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Which way did he go?
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- Up towards that corner.
- Thank you.
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You get a good look at him?
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Yeah, uh, white,
thin, about 5'5".
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Hair color?
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Blond.
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And he was wearing
a blue puffy jacket.
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Okay.
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We're looking for a male,
5'5", thin, blond hair,
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wearing a blue jacket.
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Let's set up a perimeter north
of Christopher, south of Bank.
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Let's go.
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Yeah, blue puffer. Hey, kid.
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Hey! Police!
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Kid, stop!
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NYPD!
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Hey! Stop!
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Hey! Do not move!
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Keep your hands right there.
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Get on the van.
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That's nice. Where'd
you get this?
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- I found it.
- You found it, huh? Where?
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- In the trash.
- In the trash.
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- How old are you?
- 18.
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- Try again.
- 15.
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15.
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He's 15.
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We recovered the murder weapon,
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and we're getting
it tested for DNA.
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And if it's a match, that
means life in prison.
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I didn't kill anyone, though.
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Does this kid look like
he wears a necktie?
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We got a witness that says
they saw him running away
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from the dead woman's body.
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He was found with
a very expensive
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piece of women's jewelry.
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Now, I'm willing
to bet that we will
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be able to prove
that that bracelet
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belongs to the dead girl.
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Yeah.
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I was looking for food.
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And she was already dead,
so I took the bracelet.
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All right, and how about
her phone and her wallet?
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That's all there was.
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I swear.
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You living on the street?
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His mother has a
problem with drugs.
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How about your father?
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I don't have one.
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All right.
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We will be right back.
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Did the kid's story check out?
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Got video from the flower shop
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that was near the crime scene.
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Check this out.
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So that is our victim
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27 minutes before the
maintenance guy found her.
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But keep watching.
It gets interesting.
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Whoever the mystery
man is, he drags her
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in the direction
of the dumpster,
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where the body was found.
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And then...
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24 minutes later, there's Joey
walking towards the dumpster...
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no cameras back there.
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Then three minutes
later, he comes back out
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with the vic's bracelet.
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He's telling the truth.
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Okay, call Social Services.
- Already did.
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Uh, how'd you make out
at Missing Persons?
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I cross-checked all
the new reports.
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No luck.
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Facial rec?
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Flower shop footage
is too grainy.
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This is the only other
photo we have of her,
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and her face is too messed
up to make a comparison.
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Poor kid.
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The victim's DNA
is on the necktie,
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along with someone else's.
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You run it through the database?
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It's not in the system, so we
can eliminate convicted felons.
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Anything else?
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Well, it's likely
a Caucasian male,
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but there's no shared genetic
makeup with the victim.
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So we can eliminate
biological family members.
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Well, that only leaves us
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with a few hundred
million suspects.
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Yeah.
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Well, in the more
bad news department,
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I still haven't been
able to determine
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this victim's identity.
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I can't believe her parents
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haven't reported
her missing yet.
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I know.
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- Thank you.
- Yeah.
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Vince, I need you guys to
go back and canvass the area
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around the crime scene,
see if anybody can identify
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the picture of the vic.
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Have you seen this woman?
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Sorry.
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- Any luck?
- None.
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Excuse me, miss?
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Have you seen this woman?
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Yeah, I've seen her
around the neighborhood.
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Do you know her name?
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I've got ten preschool
kids to keep an eye on.
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I don't really have
time to socialize.
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How about yesterday?
You see her yesterday?
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Yeah.
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She was with a guy, and
he was yelling at her.
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Could you hear
what he was saying?
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No.
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What time was this?
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Well, I was on my way home
from work, so around 4:30.
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And this guy, had you
ever seen him before?
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No, sorry.
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Can you describe
what he looked like?
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Uh, white, medium build,
medium height, bald.
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How old was he?
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Old. Like, 50?
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Oh, and he was
smoking a cigarette.
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Can you show us where
he was standing?
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Thank you.
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I don't see any cigarette butts.
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Mm.
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Here we go.
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It's a long shot.
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Maybe we can get some
prints off the box.
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I'll call the lab, see
if they can rush it.
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Yeah, if we can't
get him on murder,
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maybe we can get
him for littering.
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Mr. Paven, NYPD.
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Need to ask you a few questions.
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Hey, what's up?
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You know this woman?
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What'd she say?
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- Nothing now.
- You got a gun on you?
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- Yeah.
- Hands on the car.
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Oh, wait, man!
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But the gun is legal.
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All right? I'm on the job.
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You're a limo driver.
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Yeah, I also work
private security.
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Yeah, well, if everything
checks out, you'll get it back.
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Come on.
- I'm not going anywhere, man.
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My client is in that building.
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Tell him he's gotta
find another ride.
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Is this really necessary?
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Look, whatever that
bitch said, it is a lie.
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You've got a lot of anger
towards this young woman...
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girl...
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and she's dead.
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And we have a witness who saw
you bullying her a few hours
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before she was killed.
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Now, why were you, a grown
man, yelling at a teenage girl
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on the sidewalk?
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Maybe I should have a
lawyer here or something.
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That's fine by me.
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In the meantime, I'm going
to confiscate your gun.
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Wait, look, I need
that for work.
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I've got a license for it.
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You can't just
take that from me.
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Yes, I can.
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You're a person of
interest in a murder case.
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You're refusing to
cooperate with the police.
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As far as I'm concerned,
that makes you
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a threat to public safety.
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H... hold on.
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Look.
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My son, all right, he follows
that girl on social media.
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She was pushing some
new sports drink.
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You know, said that it
would make him strong
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and full of energy or
some bull like that.
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I mean, this girl
made it a contest.
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How many can you drink in a row?
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So my kid ended up
downing, like, five of them
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in less than an hour.
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And there was so
much caffeine in it
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that he ended up having
a freaking heart attack.
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I'm serious, all
right? He almost died.
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How did you find her?
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That girl posted, like,
everything she did,
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literally everything.
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So I knew that she was
doing a commercial.
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She even said the
name of the studio.
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So I looked it up,
went down there,
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and, you know, I had a
little talk with her.
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Okay, where were you between
7:00 and 10:00 p.m. last night?
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I was in Jersey with a client.
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I can give you his
contact info if you need.
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Yeah, I'm gonna need the
name of the young woman
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you accosted.
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Kaitlyn was so special.
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She's beautiful, inside and out.
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I've gotta ask,
is there a reason
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that you didn't report
your daughter missing?
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She didn't live
here. We didn't know.
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She doesn't live here anymore.
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She was 17?
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Yeah, um...
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She's a... a...
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she was a model,
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so she lived with
a group of models.
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No school?
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She graduated early.
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But we're still
very much involved.
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We... we spoke to
her every night.
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Just not last night.
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We were at a premiere,
Michelle's premiere.
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She's a... she's
a film director.
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I promised my daughter
I'd take her this weekend.
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Was Kaitlyn having any
problems with anyone?
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She...
She had a boyfriend.
264
00:11:38,021 --> 00:11:39,761
He's... he's a little older.
265
00:11:39,762 --> 00:11:41,110
They were in the
process of breaking up.
266
00:11:49,946 --> 00:11:52,774
Who the hell lets their
daughter live alone at 17?
267
00:11:52,775 --> 00:11:54,036
What do you mean?
268
00:11:54,037 --> 00:11:56,081
Kids leave for college
all the time at 18.
269
00:11:56,082 --> 00:11:58,083
Same thing.
- No, no, no.
270
00:11:58,084 --> 00:12:00,259
Big difference
between 17 and 18.
271
00:12:00,260 --> 00:12:03,698
And college is filled with
college kids, you know?
272
00:12:03,699 --> 00:12:05,308
You gotta let them fly
at some point, bro.
273
00:12:05,309 --> 00:12:07,092
All I know is, when
my daughter turns 17,
274
00:12:07,093 --> 00:12:09,225
she's not shacking up with some
20-year-old dude named Dylan.
275
00:12:12,185 --> 00:12:14,970
She's dead?
276
00:12:14,971 --> 00:12:16,406
Oh.
277
00:12:16,407 --> 00:12:18,452
That's, like, surreal.
278
00:12:20,237 --> 00:12:21,237
Yeah.
279
00:12:21,238 --> 00:12:22,891
Uh, hey, hey, Dylan.
280
00:12:22,892 --> 00:12:24,283
Yeah?
281
00:12:24,284 --> 00:12:25,589
Are you planning
on going somewhere?
282
00:12:25,590 --> 00:12:27,722
I just got back from Paris.
283
00:12:27,723 --> 00:12:29,811
I was there for
a magazine shoot.
284
00:12:29,812 --> 00:12:32,465
When's the last time
you spoke to Kaitlyn?
285
00:12:32,466 --> 00:12:35,033
I texted her last night at
8:00 when I landed at JFK.
286
00:12:35,034 --> 00:12:36,774
Never heard back.
287
00:12:36,775 --> 00:12:38,254
Did that surprise you?
288
00:12:38,255 --> 00:12:40,256
We've been fighting a lot.
289
00:12:40,257 --> 00:12:42,476
About what?
290
00:12:44,174 --> 00:12:46,001
She was cheating on me.
291
00:12:46,002 --> 00:12:47,611
What makes you say that?
292
00:12:47,612 --> 00:12:49,395
She'd been acting all weird,
spending a lot of time
293
00:12:49,396 --> 00:12:51,746
with other people.
294
00:12:51,747 --> 00:12:57,447
And she didn't wanna
be, you know, intimate.
295
00:12:57,448 --> 00:12:59,450
Any idea who she was seeing?
296
00:13:04,586 --> 00:13:05,934
Can you show us her room?
297
00:13:14,726 --> 00:13:16,988
This her laptop?
298
00:13:16,989 --> 00:13:18,469
You know the password?
299
00:13:29,872 --> 00:13:31,612
Two hours before the
murder, she googled
300
00:13:31,613 --> 00:13:33,657
the address of Daisy's Donuts.
301
00:13:33,658 --> 00:13:35,311
Four blocks from
the murder scene.
302
00:13:35,312 --> 00:13:36,486
Looks like they make
a hell of a cruller,
303
00:13:36,487 --> 00:13:37,835
I'll give them that.
304
00:13:37,836 --> 00:13:40,185
Does anyone remember
seeing Kaitlyn?
305
00:13:40,186 --> 00:13:42,013
- Nope.
- Did they have cameras?
306
00:13:42,014 --> 00:13:43,667
They weren't working.
307
00:13:43,668 --> 00:13:46,496
Manager just emailed me
the credit card receipts.
308
00:13:46,497 --> 00:13:47,857
Is her boyfriend's
name in there?
309
00:13:49,805 --> 00:13:52,328
I don't see it.
310
00:13:52,329 --> 00:13:53,547
This is interesting, though.
311
00:14:00,250 --> 00:14:01,424
Did you find something?
312
00:14:01,425 --> 00:14:02,730
Do you know who
killed my daughter?
313
00:14:02,731 --> 00:14:04,296
We need to speak to
your husband right now.
314
00:14:04,297 --> 00:14:05,994
Is he here?
- Yes, yes. Of course.
315
00:14:05,995 --> 00:14:07,387
Come in. He's...
316
00:14:10,782 --> 00:14:12,174
What's going on?
317
00:14:12,175 --> 00:14:14,263
Do you guys have an update?
- We do.
318
00:14:14,264 --> 00:14:16,395
We can talk about it
down at the precinct.
319
00:14:16,396 --> 00:14:17,875
Now?
320
00:14:17,876 --> 00:14:19,224
Right now.
321
00:14:19,225 --> 00:14:21,487
It's a little late in the day.
322
00:14:21,488 --> 00:14:23,185
Couldn't we do this first
thing in the morning?
323
00:14:23,186 --> 00:14:24,795
No, this can't wait.
324
00:14:24,796 --> 00:14:27,537
And we would prefer to
do it in our office.
325
00:14:27,538 --> 00:14:30,366
So we need you to come with us.
326
00:14:30,367 --> 00:14:32,237
I don't understand.
What's the problem?
327
00:14:32,238 --> 00:14:33,674
Am I under arrest?
328
00:14:33,675 --> 00:14:34,936
We're giving you an opportunity
329
00:14:34,937 --> 00:14:37,068
to come in voluntarily.
330
00:14:37,069 --> 00:14:38,069
But if not...
331
00:14:41,944 --> 00:14:43,771
I guess so.
332
00:14:48,901 --> 00:14:51,832
We've got a credit card
receipt that puts you
333
00:14:51,857 --> 00:14:54,206
in a café a few blocks
from the crime scene
334
00:14:54,231 --> 00:14:56,196
a half hour before
Kaitlyn was killed.
335
00:14:56,242 --> 00:14:59,178
And Kaitlyn just happened to
google the address of that café
336
00:14:59,203 --> 00:15:00,694
a couple hours before
she was killed.
337
00:15:00,719 --> 00:15:02,624
And we got surveillance
video from a flower shop
338
00:15:02,649 --> 00:15:05,241
down the block that picked you
up after you left the café.
339
00:15:05,266 --> 00:15:07,638
It shows a man who
looks a lot like you
340
00:15:07,708 --> 00:15:09,566
grabbing Kaitlyn by
the arm and pushing her
341
00:15:09,591 --> 00:15:11,110
in the direction
of the crime scene.
342
00:15:11,135 --> 00:15:13,397
And you told us that you
didn't talk to Kaitlyn
343
00:15:13,398 --> 00:15:14,659
the day that she was murdered.
344
00:15:14,660 --> 00:15:16,835
Isn't that right?
- Mm-hmm, yeah. Yeah.
345
00:15:16,836 --> 00:15:19,359
You lied about your
alibi, too, didn't you?
346
00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:20,839
Said you were at
a movie premiere?
347
00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,493
No, I was...
348
00:15:22,494 --> 00:15:24,364
I was at the premiere.
349
00:15:24,365 --> 00:15:25,496
Really.
350
00:15:25,497 --> 00:15:27,280
Well, the time stamp
on the bill here
351
00:15:27,281 --> 00:15:29,805
says that you paid six minutes
after the movie started.
352
00:15:29,806 --> 00:15:31,458
So help me out here.
- Correct.
353
00:15:31,459 --> 00:15:33,678
I had coffee with my daughter,
and then I went to the movie.
354
00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:36,116
I got there late.
- Hmm.
355
00:15:42,732 --> 00:15:46,169
Here's me and Michelle
at the theater.
356
00:15:46,170 --> 00:15:48,606
That corroborates
my client's alibi.
357
00:15:48,607 --> 00:15:51,087
The theater is, like, 15
minutes from the crime scene.
358
00:15:51,088 --> 00:15:53,567
He could have killed Kaitlyn
and gotten back to the theater
359
00:15:53,568 --> 00:15:54,830
before the movie was over.
360
00:15:54,831 --> 00:15:56,266
Still, I'm confused.
361
00:15:56,267 --> 00:15:58,181
Didn't the ME tell you the
DNA on the murder weapon
362
00:15:58,182 --> 00:16:01,314
didn't come from anyone
in Kaitlyn's family?
363
00:16:01,315 --> 00:16:04,709
The ME said that the
killer's DNA profile
364
00:16:04,710 --> 00:16:07,364
didn't share any
genetic similarities
365
00:16:07,365 --> 00:16:08,931
with the victim.
366
00:16:08,932 --> 00:16:10,802
He's not Kaitlyn's
biological father?
367
00:16:10,803 --> 00:16:12,543
According to family
court records,
368
00:16:12,544 --> 00:16:16,373
Ron adopted Kaitlyn
after he married Michelle
369
00:16:16,374 --> 00:16:18,592
about ten years ago.
370
00:16:18,593 --> 00:16:21,204
Can I go home now?
371
00:16:21,205 --> 00:16:22,727
No.
372
00:16:22,728 --> 00:16:24,250
We have a few more questions.
373
00:16:24,251 --> 00:16:26,383
Hold him while you get
a warrant for his DNA.
374
00:16:26,384 --> 00:16:28,734
If it matches the necktie,
charge him with murder.
375
00:16:37,308 --> 00:16:39,744
Calling docket ending in 5912,
376
00:16:39,745 --> 00:16:41,790
People v. Ronald Lawson,
377
00:16:41,791 --> 00:16:44,793
charging murder in
the second degree.
378
00:16:44,794 --> 00:16:45,881
How do you plead, sir?
379
00:16:45,882 --> 00:16:47,752
My client pleads not guilty.
380
00:16:47,753 --> 00:16:49,493
I'll hear the People on bail.
381
00:16:49,494 --> 00:16:52,278
The victim in this case is
the defendant's daughter.
382
00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:54,237
The evidence shows
that Mr. Lawson
383
00:16:54,238 --> 00:16:58,241
pushed her into a dumpster,
causing a severe head wound.
384
00:16:58,242 --> 00:17:00,634
Then, as she lay
bleeding on the pavement,
385
00:17:00,635 --> 00:17:02,941
he strangled her
with his necktie.
386
00:17:02,942 --> 00:17:05,988
We have video and
credit card statement
387
00:17:05,989 --> 00:17:07,772
putting him near
the crime scene.
388
00:17:07,773 --> 00:17:09,861
His DNA is on the weapon.
389
00:17:09,862 --> 00:17:12,429
We'd submit that he's a
danger to the community
390
00:17:12,430 --> 00:17:14,779
and a flight risk.
People request remand.
391
00:17:14,780 --> 00:17:17,434
The only thing worse than
losing your child, Your Honor,
392
00:17:17,435 --> 00:17:19,479
is losing your child
and then being falsely
393
00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,003
accused of killing her.
394
00:17:21,004 --> 00:17:24,528
The People have no case,
no motive, no eyewitnesses.
395
00:17:24,529 --> 00:17:27,661
My client is a respected
member of his community.
396
00:17:27,662 --> 00:17:29,968
My client's wife,
Michelle Burns,
397
00:17:29,969 --> 00:17:31,578
who is also the victim's mother,
398
00:17:31,579 --> 00:17:34,581
has signed an affidavit
affirming that
399
00:17:34,582 --> 00:17:37,236
they were at a movie premiere
at the time of the murder.
400
00:17:37,237 --> 00:17:38,629
It was a three-hour film.
401
00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:41,197
He had more than enough
time to kill his daughter
402
00:17:41,198 --> 00:17:42,938
and saunter back
into the theater
403
00:17:42,939 --> 00:17:44,984
to enjoy his wife's movie.
404
00:17:47,334 --> 00:17:49,510
The bail is set at 20 million.
405
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:53,731
Don't worry, I got you.
406
00:17:53,732 --> 00:17:54,907
Okay?
407
00:18:01,174 --> 00:18:03,872
The victim's mother posted
bail for the killer?
408
00:18:03,873 --> 00:18:05,525
It was a first for me as well.
409
00:18:05,526 --> 00:18:08,964
She also doubled down on her
husband's so-called alibi.
410
00:18:08,965 --> 00:18:11,270
She obviously believes
in Lawson's innocence.
411
00:18:11,271 --> 00:18:12,750
Are we sure we
got the right guy?
412
00:18:12,751 --> 00:18:14,491
Yeah, evidence is strong.
413
00:18:14,492 --> 00:18:15,797
What about motive?
414
00:18:15,798 --> 00:18:17,320
Why would Lawson
kill his own child?
415
00:18:17,321 --> 00:18:20,018
That is the one missing piece.
416
00:18:20,019 --> 00:18:22,107
Have we done a deep dive
into their texts, emails?
417
00:18:22,108 --> 00:18:24,414
Well, I just finished, actually,
418
00:18:24,415 --> 00:18:26,242
and, uh, I think
we have the answer.
419
00:18:26,243 --> 00:18:28,548
Kaitlyn made a video,
was supposed to go live
420
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:30,463
the day she was killed.
421
00:18:30,464 --> 00:18:31,725
It's horrific.
422
00:18:35,730 --> 00:18:40,125
My father, Ron Lawson...
423
00:18:40,126 --> 00:18:42,519
sexually abused me.
424
00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,524
It started when I was 14,
and he's still doing it.
425
00:18:47,525 --> 00:18:50,179
I know it sounds weird, but, uh,
426
00:18:50,180 --> 00:18:53,660
at first, it made
me feel special.
427
00:18:53,661 --> 00:18:57,012
I actually thought I
was in love with him.
428
00:18:57,013 --> 00:19:00,189
But recently, I...
I started to realize
429
00:19:00,190 --> 00:19:06,021
how horrible and
abusive it actually is.
430
00:19:06,022 --> 00:19:07,675
So...
431
00:19:10,156 --> 00:19:12,897
I told him to stop.
432
00:19:12,898 --> 00:19:15,726
He wouldn't.
433
00:19:15,727 --> 00:19:19,034
So, um, I told my mother.
434
00:19:19,035 --> 00:19:23,474
But she wasn't... she
wasn't able to help.
435
00:19:25,606 --> 00:19:30,915
That's why I'm
making this video,
436
00:19:30,916 --> 00:19:34,266
to tell the world my truth.
437
00:19:34,267 --> 00:19:36,442
The defendant killed
Kaitlyn Lawson
438
00:19:36,443 --> 00:19:38,227
because he was
afraid of exposure.
439
00:19:38,228 --> 00:19:40,490
He didn't want the world to know
440
00:19:40,491 --> 00:19:45,103
his disgusting,
perverted secret.
441
00:19:45,104 --> 00:19:48,846
The evidence will show that
he invited her to a café,
442
00:19:48,847 --> 00:19:51,240
where he tried to talk her
out of posting the video.
443
00:19:51,241 --> 00:19:54,373
When she refused, he
grabbed her by the arm
444
00:19:54,374 --> 00:19:56,419
and dragged her
behind a flower shop.
445
00:19:56,420 --> 00:19:59,770
He shoved her face-first
into a dumpster,
446
00:19:59,771 --> 00:20:05,645
and then he used his necktie to
strangle the life out of her.
447
00:20:05,646 --> 00:20:10,259
Ron Lawson thought
by killing Kaitlyn,
448
00:20:10,260 --> 00:20:13,524
his secret would be safe, but...
449
00:20:15,743 --> 00:20:20,051
But now we all know
what Kaitlyn knew.
450
00:20:20,052 --> 00:20:22,271
The defendant is a pedophile.
451
00:20:22,272 --> 00:20:25,230
He is also a killer.
452
00:20:25,231 --> 00:20:30,453
And he must answer to that.
453
00:20:30,454 --> 00:20:32,716
We're going to take
a brief recess.
454
00:20:32,717 --> 00:20:34,848
I'll see you all back
here in 20 minutes.
455
00:20:47,601 --> 00:20:49,951
Get back! Get back!
456
00:20:49,952 --> 00:20:50,995
Stay...
457
00:20:50,996 --> 00:20:52,040
No, no, no, no!
458
00:20:52,041 --> 00:20:53,911
Back!
459
00:20:53,912 --> 00:20:55,739
Hey. Ron, put the gun down!
460
00:20:55,740 --> 00:20:57,871
Put it down!
461
00:20:57,872 --> 00:21:00,483
Do not do anything stupid.
462
00:21:00,484 --> 00:21:02,094
Put it down.
463
00:21:05,489 --> 00:21:06,968
No, no, no!
464
00:21:19,402 --> 00:21:21,098
- That was...
- Yeah.
465
00:21:21,123 --> 00:21:22,468
I don't even know
how to process it.
466
00:21:22,493 --> 00:21:23,885
Everybody okay?
467
00:21:23,983 --> 00:21:27,159
I'm just glad no
one else was hurt.
468
00:21:32,179 --> 00:21:34,688
Where do we go from here?
469
00:21:34,689 --> 00:21:36,211
I presume you're
gonna file a motion
470
00:21:36,212 --> 00:21:37,561
to dismiss the charges?
471
00:21:37,562 --> 00:21:38,997
Yeah, we'll have to.
472
00:21:38,998 --> 00:21:41,391
Well, bastard got off
easy, if you ask me.
473
00:21:41,392 --> 00:21:43,131
Now nobody gets
held accountable.
474
00:21:43,132 --> 00:21:47,092
Maybe we should look
into the mother.
475
00:21:47,093 --> 00:21:49,007
Well, unfortunately,
posting bail
476
00:21:49,008 --> 00:21:50,661
for your abusive
husband isn't a crime.
477
00:21:50,662 --> 00:21:52,140
She didn't just post bail.
478
00:21:52,141 --> 00:21:54,055
She was aware that her
daughter was being abused,
479
00:21:54,056 --> 00:21:55,187
and she did nothing
to protect her.
480
00:21:55,188 --> 00:21:56,797
She just let it happen.
481
00:21:56,798 --> 00:21:59,322
Hard to imagine.
482
00:21:59,323 --> 00:22:01,411
Is there a reason she
just looked the other way?
483
00:22:01,412 --> 00:22:03,151
Oh, no idea.
484
00:22:03,152 --> 00:22:04,892
Makes no sense to me.
485
00:22:04,893 --> 00:22:08,069
Her movies are all
about female empowerment
486
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:09,636
and gender equality.
487
00:22:09,637 --> 00:22:10,855
So what do you wanna do?
488
00:22:10,856 --> 00:22:12,639
I wanna charge her
with endangering
489
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,119
the welfare of a child.
490
00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:16,121
Can we prove Michelle had
knowledge of the abuse?
491
00:22:16,122 --> 00:22:17,731
We have Kaitlyn's video.
492
00:22:17,732 --> 00:22:19,994
Maybe.
493
00:22:19,995 --> 00:22:21,387
If we offer it for the truth,
494
00:22:21,388 --> 00:22:24,477
it'll likely be
excluded as hearsay.
495
00:22:24,478 --> 00:22:26,045
But I'm with you, Nolan.
496
00:22:27,525 --> 00:22:30,004
Michelle Burns had a duty
to protect her child,
497
00:22:30,005 --> 00:22:32,225
and she didn't, and now
the girl's dead, so.
498
00:22:34,532 --> 00:22:35,967
Talk to Brady.
499
00:22:35,968 --> 00:22:37,882
Maybe she can figure out a
way to get Michelle to admit
500
00:22:37,883 --> 00:22:39,144
she knew what was going on
501
00:22:39,145 --> 00:22:40,425
between her husband and Kaitlyn.
502
00:22:44,846 --> 00:22:46,020
- Michelle.
- Oh.
503
00:22:46,021 --> 00:22:47,413
- Hi.
- Hi.
504
00:22:47,414 --> 00:22:49,241
Thanks so much for coming in.
505
00:22:49,242 --> 00:22:51,852
Do you want a coffee
or water or something?
506
00:22:51,853 --> 00:22:54,072
No. No, thank you.
507
00:22:54,073 --> 00:22:57,467
Well, I can't imagine
what you're going through.
508
00:22:57,468 --> 00:22:59,686
Yeah, it's, uh...
509
00:22:59,687 --> 00:23:02,515
it's been a long few days.
510
00:23:02,516 --> 00:23:04,125
I'm really very
sorry, but I won't
511
00:23:04,126 --> 00:23:05,518
take up much of your time.
512
00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:08,566
I just... I just need to
tie up a few loose ends.
513
00:23:11,569 --> 00:23:12,570
Have a seat.
514
00:23:16,965 --> 00:23:20,533
Some of Kaitlyn's
personal effects.
515
00:23:20,534 --> 00:23:25,059
I thought they might be
of some sentimental value.
516
00:23:25,060 --> 00:23:28,280
You can take them if you want.
517
00:23:28,281 --> 00:23:30,152
I just need you
to sign that form.
518
00:23:36,463 --> 00:23:38,944
I have a lot of
respect for your work.
519
00:23:40,467 --> 00:23:43,426
I think your movies
are very powerful,
520
00:23:43,427 --> 00:23:45,863
and they remind
me of Alice Munro.
521
00:23:45,864 --> 00:23:50,258
I know she's a
novelist, but, um...
522
00:23:50,259 --> 00:23:52,436
I really admire
her work as well.
523
00:23:55,308 --> 00:23:58,658
Yeah, you two have
a lot in common.
524
00:23:58,659 --> 00:24:02,009
I mean, you're both feminists
that wanted to raise
525
00:24:02,010 --> 00:24:04,978
strong, opinionated
daughters, and...
526
00:24:05,003 --> 00:24:06,572
And both stayed with men
527
00:24:06,597 --> 00:24:08,861
even after we knew
about their failings?
528
00:24:11,176 --> 00:24:14,091
Well, yeah, that's
what I was gonna say.
529
00:24:14,116 --> 00:24:15,378
I know.
530
00:24:17,751 --> 00:24:19,839
I'm not here to judge,
Michelle, really.
531
00:24:19,864 --> 00:24:23,823
Honestly, I'm just trying
to tie up some loose ends.
532
00:24:23,848 --> 00:24:26,285
But now that you mention
it, actually, I'm...
533
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:28,051
I must say, I'm curious.
534
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:31,821
About what?
535
00:24:33,410 --> 00:24:37,761
Well, you're a brilliant
and talented woman,
536
00:24:37,786 --> 00:24:40,570
a powerful woman.
537
00:24:40,595 --> 00:24:44,120
I... I... I just don't
see how you could
538
00:24:44,145 --> 00:24:46,930
sit there and let that happen.
539
00:24:49,051 --> 00:24:52,148
I suppose I felt the
same way Alice did.
540
00:24:52,804 --> 00:24:54,326
You know, I love
them both very much,
541
00:24:54,351 --> 00:24:58,413
and I suppose I decided
that it was their business,
542
00:24:58,438 --> 00:25:01,266
and it wasn't my
place to get involved.
543
00:25:03,578 --> 00:25:05,014
Not your place?
544
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:08,955
Well, I know on some level, yes.
545
00:25:08,980 --> 00:25:11,764
I mean, if you eliminate
patriarchal norms
546
00:25:11,789 --> 00:25:15,357
and expectations, why should
I be expected to dismiss
547
00:25:15,382 --> 00:25:18,471
my own wants and desires,
548
00:25:18,496 --> 00:25:20,453
or even worse,
dismiss those wants
549
00:25:20,478 --> 00:25:22,741
and desires for my child?
550
00:25:24,717 --> 00:25:27,765
So you knew about the
video Kaitlyn made?
551
00:25:27,790 --> 00:25:29,343
Yes.
552
00:25:30,435 --> 00:25:33,176
And what about your
husband? Did he know?
553
00:25:33,201 --> 00:25:35,289
Yes, I... I told him.
554
00:25:44,492 --> 00:25:45,492
Well.
555
00:25:47,675 --> 00:25:52,257
Michelle, I have to tell
you, you make me sick.
556
00:25:53,582 --> 00:25:55,279
- What?
- Get up.
557
00:25:56,827 --> 00:25:58,530
- What the hell are you doing?
- Stand up.
558
00:25:58,555 --> 00:26:00,948
Put your hands behind your back.
559
00:26:02,032 --> 00:26:03,468
You're under arrest.
560
00:26:06,685 --> 00:26:08,774
She told her husband
about the video?
561
00:26:08,838 --> 00:26:10,273
That Kaitlyn was
planning to expose her?
562
00:26:10,298 --> 00:26:10,919
Sure did.
563
00:26:10,944 --> 00:26:12,684
She might as well have
handed him a loaded gun.
564
00:26:13,061 --> 00:26:16,716
Ask me, this is more
than child endangerment.
565
00:26:17,022 --> 00:26:19,153
You want me to charge
her with manslaughter?
566
00:26:19,178 --> 00:26:20,310
Man two.
567
00:26:20,335 --> 00:26:22,598
Michelle Burns had a duty
to protect her child,
568
00:26:22,892 --> 00:26:25,099
and her reckless
actions and inactions
569
00:26:25,124 --> 00:26:27,474
directly led to her
daughter's death.
570
00:26:31,526 --> 00:26:32,950
Sam.
571
00:26:33,946 --> 00:26:35,642
- Hi.
- Hey, how are you?
572
00:26:35,643 --> 00:26:37,470
I'm good.
573
00:26:37,471 --> 00:26:39,341
You represent Michelle Burns?
574
00:26:39,342 --> 00:26:41,300
I wish I wasn't.
575
00:26:41,301 --> 00:26:43,911
I can't believe you're
actually prosecuting her.
576
00:26:43,912 --> 00:26:45,130
She's a victim.
577
00:26:45,131 --> 00:26:46,653
Her daughter was murdered.
578
00:26:46,654 --> 00:26:48,263
Yeah, I get it.
579
00:26:48,264 --> 00:26:51,919
But she had a duty, a legal
duty to protect her daughter.
580
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,791
She didn't. So.
581
00:26:53,792 --> 00:26:55,531
Well, you may be right,
582
00:26:55,532 --> 00:26:58,056
but it's more
complicated than that.
583
00:26:58,057 --> 00:27:00,058
What are you talking about?
584
00:27:00,059 --> 00:27:03,628
Kaitlyn wasn't the only
woman Ron Lawson abused.
585
00:27:10,765 --> 00:27:13,114
I'm requesting the court's
permission to allow
586
00:27:13,115 --> 00:27:14,899
an expert witness at trial...
587
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:18,163
a psychologist who can testify
to my client's state of mind
588
00:27:18,164 --> 00:27:21,122
as a victim of physical
and sexual abuse.
589
00:27:21,123 --> 00:27:23,124
How is that relevant
to this case?
590
00:27:23,125 --> 00:27:24,473
Mr. Price has a point.
591
00:27:24,474 --> 00:27:25,997
What does a
psychologist's opinion
592
00:27:25,998 --> 00:27:27,563
have to do with this matter?
593
00:27:27,564 --> 00:27:29,914
Well, the People are required
to prove that my client
594
00:27:29,915 --> 00:27:31,698
ignored an unjustifiable risk
595
00:27:31,699 --> 00:27:33,613
that someone's
death would occur.
596
00:27:33,614 --> 00:27:36,810
I'd like to tell the jury
why she failed to act.
597
00:27:36,835 --> 00:27:38,445
Context is important.
598
00:27:38,663 --> 00:27:40,664
It cuts to the very
core of our defense.
599
00:27:40,665 --> 00:27:44,058
The defendant's reasons
have no legal significance.
600
00:27:44,059 --> 00:27:45,320
This is just a veiled attempt
601
00:27:45,321 --> 00:27:47,323
to elicit sympathy
from the jury.
602
00:27:48,847 --> 00:27:51,326
I'll allow counsel to
conduct a voir dire
603
00:27:51,327 --> 00:27:53,067
outside of the
presence of the jury
604
00:27:53,068 --> 00:27:55,113
to see what this
witness has to say.
605
00:27:55,114 --> 00:27:57,246
I'll issue my
decision afterwards.
606
00:28:00,546 --> 00:28:04,723
Dr. Mankin, did you conduct
a forensic evaluation
607
00:28:04,748 --> 00:28:06,966
of the defendant?
- I did.
608
00:28:06,991 --> 00:28:09,079
She reported that she
was in a physically
609
00:28:09,104 --> 00:28:10,888
and emotionally
abusive marriage.
610
00:28:10,913 --> 00:28:14,481
Did she describe specific
instances of violence?
611
00:28:14,499 --> 00:28:18,414
A fractured eye socket, a
broken ankle, a concussion,
612
00:28:18,415 --> 00:28:21,857
and numerous bruises and cuts.
613
00:28:21,882 --> 00:28:24,319
Did she tell you
about her childhood?
614
00:28:24,344 --> 00:28:26,910
Do I have to sit here
and listen to this?
615
00:28:26,935 --> 00:28:28,762
Your lawyer asked
for this hearing.
616
00:28:28,787 --> 00:28:30,398
Please control your client.
617
00:28:33,864 --> 00:28:36,692
Please answer the question.
618
00:28:36,912 --> 00:28:38,497
When she was nine years old,
619
00:28:38,522 --> 00:28:40,505
Michelle was the
victim of sexual abuse
620
00:28:40,530 --> 00:28:42,400
at the hands of an uncle.
621
00:28:42,425 --> 00:28:43,599
Did that surprise you?
622
00:28:43,666 --> 00:28:44,575
No.
623
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,234
Children who are
raised in abusive homes
624
00:28:46,259 --> 00:28:48,443
are six times more
likely to find themselves
625
00:28:48,468 --> 00:28:50,857
in abusive
relationships as adults.
626
00:28:50,882 --> 00:28:52,099
Why is that?
627
00:28:52,433 --> 00:28:54,217
For women like Michelle,
628
00:28:54,239 --> 00:28:57,981
abuse becomes their
definition of love.
629
00:28:59,287 --> 00:29:00,287
Thank you.
630
00:29:00,288 --> 00:29:02,247
Nothing further.
631
00:29:03,813 --> 00:29:05,901
Cross-examination?
632
00:29:05,902 --> 00:29:08,252
Did the defendant ever
report any of this abuse?
633
00:29:08,253 --> 00:29:10,297
When she was a child,
she told her parents,
634
00:29:10,298 --> 00:29:13,300
but they didn't believe her,
and that was shattering.
635
00:29:13,301 --> 00:29:15,911
It reinforced her
sense of powerlessness.
636
00:29:15,912 --> 00:29:19,263
While the defendant may
have been suffering,
637
00:29:19,264 --> 00:29:21,787
wasn't she still capable
of protecting her daughter?
638
00:29:21,788 --> 00:29:25,443
I believe Michelle suffers
from dissociative disorder.
639
00:29:25,444 --> 00:29:27,967
Her survival depends
on her ability
640
00:29:27,968 --> 00:29:30,404
to disengage emotionally.
641
00:29:30,405 --> 00:29:33,973
As a result, she lost her
ability to recognize danger,
642
00:29:33,974 --> 00:29:37,150
along with her maternal
instincts of protection.
643
00:29:37,151 --> 00:29:39,631
You're not saying she's
legally insane, are you?
644
00:29:39,632 --> 00:29:41,589
No, I'm not saying that.
645
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:43,461
Thank you. Nothing further.
646
00:29:43,462 --> 00:29:45,419
You are excused.
647
00:29:48,989 --> 00:29:53,949
While what Ms. Burns
is alleging is tragic,
648
00:29:53,950 --> 00:29:57,068
it is clearly not
relevant to this case.
649
00:29:57,093 --> 00:29:59,390
And as such, the law requires
650
00:29:59,391 --> 00:30:02,306
that you deny the
defendant's motion.
651
00:30:02,307 --> 00:30:04,794
Respectfully, the
defense has the right
652
00:30:04,819 --> 00:30:06,951
to present a full
and complete picture
653
00:30:06,976 --> 00:30:09,005
of what happened...
more specifically,
654
00:30:09,030 --> 00:30:10,684
why this happened.
655
00:30:13,372 --> 00:30:16,505
I agree with Mr. Price.
656
00:30:16,756 --> 00:30:19,107
But Your Honor, as a woman,
how can you possibly...
657
00:30:19,132 --> 00:30:20,437
Don't go there, Counsel.
658
00:30:20,834 --> 00:30:22,786
My decision is based on the law.
659
00:30:23,094 --> 00:30:25,965
And I find that the
defendant's state of mind
660
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:28,724
has no legal significance
in this case.
661
00:30:28,749 --> 00:30:31,707
Therefore, the defendant's
motion is denied.
662
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:36,298
Dr. Mankin will not be
allowed in this trial.
663
00:30:36,361 --> 00:30:37,753
We're adjourned.
664
00:30:37,778 --> 00:30:39,387
I'll see you all here
tomorrow morning.
665
00:30:45,428 --> 00:30:46,740
I'm not sure about this.
666
00:30:46,995 --> 00:30:48,279
Sure about what?
667
00:30:48,305 --> 00:30:52,308
Leaving this evidence out or
even prosecuting Michelle.
668
00:30:52,309 --> 00:30:54,746
She's a victim, Nolan.
669
00:31:01,090 --> 00:31:01,607
Hey.
670
00:31:01,632 --> 00:31:03,720
I've subpoenaed Michelle's
medical records.
671
00:31:04,646 --> 00:31:06,863
They corroborate the
psychologist's testimony.
672
00:31:06,888 --> 00:31:08,918
In the last ten years,
Michelle was treated
673
00:31:08,943 --> 00:31:11,207
for a broken ankle,
fractured eye socket,
674
00:31:11,232 --> 00:31:12,113
and a concussion.
675
00:31:12,114 --> 00:31:14,713
I also found a police report
from Westport, Connecticut,
676
00:31:14,738 --> 00:31:17,566
where Michelle and
Ron used to live.
677
00:31:17,591 --> 00:31:20,366
Shows she called 911 to
report domestic violence.
678
00:31:20,391 --> 00:31:22,305
Withdrew her complaint
a week later.
679
00:31:22,306 --> 00:31:25,134
Well, there was also a
report from Cleveland,
680
00:31:25,135 --> 00:31:26,483
where Michelle grew up.
681
00:31:26,484 --> 00:31:28,703
Teacher suspected there
was abuse in the home.
682
00:31:28,704 --> 00:31:31,227
I don't dispute that
the abuse happened
683
00:31:31,228 --> 00:31:34,144
and that it's horrific.
684
00:31:36,602 --> 00:31:38,211
Jesus.
685
00:31:38,236 --> 00:31:41,064
It also certainly explains why
Michelle would stay with a man
686
00:31:41,089 --> 00:31:42,655
who was abusing her daughter.
687
00:31:42,718 --> 00:31:44,371
Yeah.
688
00:31:44,372 --> 00:31:46,590
But the fact remains,
Michelle Burns
689
00:31:46,591 --> 00:31:48,853
had an obligation
to protect her kid,
690
00:31:48,854 --> 00:31:50,507
and she did the exact opposite.
691
00:31:50,508 --> 00:31:53,249
She wasn't capable of helping.
692
00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:55,295
She was fighting for
her own survival.
693
00:31:55,296 --> 00:31:56,644
You're right about that,
694
00:31:56,645 --> 00:31:59,612
but she let her husband
abuse Kaitlyn for years.
695
00:31:59,637 --> 00:32:01,594
And if that weren't
enough, she told
696
00:32:01,619 --> 00:32:03,815
a violent, sexually
abusive man that
697
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,493
he was about to be
exposed as a pedophile,
698
00:32:05,518 --> 00:32:08,190
which directly led
to her child's death.
699
00:32:08,215 --> 00:32:12,305
She was more a perpetrator than
victim in this instance anyway.
700
00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:15,112
What kind of precedent
would it be setting
701
00:32:15,137 --> 00:32:17,094
if we gave her a pass?
702
00:32:17,232 --> 00:32:19,712
Society demands that people
in positions of power
703
00:32:19,737 --> 00:32:20,839
protect those who have none.
704
00:32:20,864 --> 00:32:22,526
Parents are the ones
who hold that power.
705
00:32:22,551 --> 00:32:24,026
Yeah, I agree.
706
00:32:24,090 --> 00:32:26,222
But it doesn't mean that
we don't have an obligation
707
00:32:26,223 --> 00:32:27,789
to protect Michelle too.
708
00:32:27,790 --> 00:32:30,574
She's an adult. Kaitlyn
was a kid, a teenager.
709
00:32:30,575 --> 00:32:32,837
In case of a tie,
Michelle loses.
710
00:32:32,838 --> 00:32:35,144
Sorry.
711
00:32:35,145 --> 00:32:36,928
Move forward with the trial.
712
00:32:47,113 --> 00:32:49,724
Lieutenant Brady, did you
speak with the defendant?
713
00:32:49,725 --> 00:32:51,151
I did.
714
00:32:51,176 --> 00:32:54,854
And she told me she was aware
that her husband had been
715
00:32:54,879 --> 00:32:57,315
sexually abusing her
daughter and that the abuse
716
00:32:57,340 --> 00:32:58,862
had gone on for several years.
717
00:32:58,887 --> 00:33:01,976
And did the defendant tell
her husband that Kaitlyn
718
00:33:02,001 --> 00:33:04,183
was going to expose him?
- She did.
719
00:33:04,208 --> 00:33:07,167
And less than 24 hours
later, Kaitlyn was dead.
720
00:33:07,423 --> 00:33:10,033
Thank you. Nothing further.
721
00:33:10,058 --> 00:33:11,538
Cross-examination?
722
00:33:14,371 --> 00:33:17,547
My client didn't kill anyone.
723
00:33:17,572 --> 00:33:18,659
Fair to say?
724
00:33:18,684 --> 00:33:21,034
Fair to say.
725
00:33:21,059 --> 00:33:23,034
In fact, my client
wasn't present
726
00:33:23,059 --> 00:33:24,451
when Kaitlyn died, was she?
727
00:33:24,476 --> 00:33:26,042
Objection, relevance?
728
00:33:26,067 --> 00:33:28,243
Overruled. You may answer.
729
00:33:30,656 --> 00:33:32,309
I don't believe she was, no.
730
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:35,190
The person who actually
did kill Kaitlyn,
731
00:33:35,215 --> 00:33:36,738
Ron Lawson, shot himself.
732
00:33:37,129 --> 00:33:38,870
So he's gone.
733
00:33:38,895 --> 00:33:42,115
And now you and Mr. Price are
trying to compound this tragedy
734
00:33:42,140 --> 00:33:43,182
by blaming it on his wife.
735
00:33:43,207 --> 00:33:45,002
Objection, argumentative.
736
00:33:45,027 --> 00:33:47,115
Withdrawn.
737
00:33:47,218 --> 00:33:48,263
Nothing further.
738
00:33:53,672 --> 00:33:56,152
I love my daughter very much.
739
00:33:57,458 --> 00:34:00,592
More than I can even...
740
00:34:06,772 --> 00:34:12,648
And I tried very
hard to protect her.
741
00:34:14,441 --> 00:34:17,225
I know it wasn't
enough, but I tried.
742
00:34:17,609 --> 00:34:21,041
Tell the jury what
you mean by that.
743
00:34:21,066 --> 00:34:27,246
I taught Kaitlyn to be a
strong, independent woman.
744
00:34:27,271 --> 00:34:30,311
I took her to
self-defense classes.
745
00:34:30,336 --> 00:34:33,991
I... I helped her become
financially independent.
746
00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:38,472
I... I talked to her about
her sex, about her body.
747
00:34:40,648 --> 00:34:44,640
And when I
became aware of what
748
00:34:44,665 --> 00:34:51,192
was going on with Ron, I...
749
00:34:51,294 --> 00:34:56,646
I encouraged her to move out of
the house as soon as possible.
750
00:34:56,936 --> 00:34:58,530
But you were having
your own problems.
751
00:34:58,555 --> 00:34:59,530
Objection.
752
00:34:59,555 --> 00:35:00,358
Sustained.
753
00:35:00,383 --> 00:35:03,515
We've been through
this, Ms. Hogan.
754
00:35:03,992 --> 00:35:05,616
Your witness.
755
00:35:06,027 --> 00:35:08,419
Cross-examination?
756
00:35:08,444 --> 00:35:10,655
After your husband was arrested
757
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,812
for killing your daughter,
758
00:35:12,837 --> 00:35:14,794
you posted his bail, didn't you?
759
00:35:17,790 --> 00:35:19,913
- Yes.
- He was in custody.
760
00:35:19,938 --> 00:35:22,724
He was behind bars. And
you helped him get out?
761
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:25,890
I did.
762
00:35:25,915 --> 00:35:31,267
You also helped him
create a false alibi?
763
00:35:31,948 --> 00:35:32,929
Yes.
764
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:38,186
I know that this won't make
any sense, but I was afraid.
765
00:35:38,956 --> 00:35:40,280
And so I did what he said
766
00:35:40,305 --> 00:35:41,697
because that's the
way it's always been.
767
00:35:41,722 --> 00:35:43,897
Because if I disappointed
him, he became violent!
768
00:35:43,922 --> 00:35:46,147
- Your Honor.
- Next question.
769
00:35:46,172 --> 00:35:50,306
You have made several very
successful films, haven't you?
770
00:35:50,688 --> 00:35:51,397
I suppose.
771
00:35:51,422 --> 00:35:54,015
One of your movies is
about a young woman
772
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,041
who was abused by
a family member.
773
00:35:56,066 --> 00:35:57,893
Objection, relevance.
774
00:35:57,918 --> 00:35:59,092
Overruled.
775
00:35:59,335 --> 00:36:00,728
Please answer.
776
00:36:02,884 --> 00:36:05,069
It was an exploration
777
00:36:05,094 --> 00:36:07,530
in a complicated
family relationship.
778
00:36:07,555 --> 00:36:11,030
In that movie, the
daughter is hurt so badly,
779
00:36:11,055 --> 00:36:12,640
she dies, doesn't she?
780
00:36:12,665 --> 00:36:14,884
Objection. Where is
he going with this?
781
00:36:14,909 --> 00:36:17,214
The People are required to
prove that the defendant
782
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,210
consciously disregarded a
substantial risk to her child,
783
00:36:20,235 --> 00:36:21,499
knowing that death could result.
784
00:36:21,524 --> 00:36:23,961
I'm simply trying to establish
that the defendant was aware
785
00:36:23,986 --> 00:36:26,465
of the risk involved in not
reporting her husband's abuse
786
00:36:26,490 --> 00:36:28,927
because she made
a film about it.
787
00:36:28,952 --> 00:36:30,691
The objection is overruled.
788
00:36:30,871 --> 00:36:32,437
Please answer.
789
00:36:37,508 --> 00:36:40,118
In the film, the daughter dies.
790
00:36:40,435 --> 00:36:44,186
In your home, your husband's
abuse of your daughter
791
00:36:44,211 --> 00:36:47,431
went on for years, didn't it?
792
00:36:47,605 --> 00:36:48,600
Unfortunately.
793
00:36:48,625 --> 00:36:50,679
And you told your
husband that Kaitlyn
794
00:36:50,704 --> 00:36:52,575
was going to expose
him, didn't you?
795
00:36:53,335 --> 00:36:54,001
Yes.
796
00:36:54,002 --> 00:36:57,004
And 24 hours later,
she was dead.
797
00:36:57,005 --> 00:37:00,530
Did I get that right?
- I...
798
00:37:00,531 --> 00:37:02,533
I made a mistake.
799
00:37:05,013 --> 00:37:08,146
I made a mistake.
800
00:37:08,147 --> 00:37:12,272
I wish I could do
it all over again,
801
00:37:12,297 --> 00:37:15,037
be a different person,
a stronger person.
802
00:37:15,062 --> 00:37:16,452
But I wasn't, and I didn't.
803
00:37:16,477 --> 00:37:18,695
And I have to live with that
for the rest of my life.
804
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,852
I'm afraid you do.
805
00:37:21,013 --> 00:37:22,970
I have nothing further.
806
00:37:30,299 --> 00:37:31,905
Nolan.
807
00:37:33,051 --> 00:37:35,530
What you did in
there, using her film
808
00:37:35,531 --> 00:37:36,618
against her in that way?
809
00:37:36,619 --> 00:37:37,750
That was fair game, Sam.
810
00:37:37,751 --> 00:37:40,013
No, no, that was legal.
811
00:37:40,014 --> 00:37:42,668
But it wasn't fair.
812
00:37:42,669 --> 00:37:44,322
I...
813
00:37:44,323 --> 00:37:46,374
you're the one who always
says trials are supposed
814
00:37:46,399 --> 00:37:47,749
to be a search for the truth.
815
00:37:47,774 --> 00:37:51,392
So please tell me how the
hell the jury is supposed to
816
00:37:51,417 --> 00:37:54,382
make a decision about
Michelle, about this case
817
00:37:54,407 --> 00:37:56,491
when they don't
have all the facts,
818
00:37:56,516 --> 00:37:59,124
when they don't
actually know the truth.
819
00:37:59,149 --> 00:38:03,765
The jury decides what is and
isn't true based on the facts,
820
00:38:03,790 --> 00:38:06,705
on the relevant facts.
821
00:38:06,861 --> 00:38:11,374
I respect that you are
a man of principle,
822
00:38:11,399 --> 00:38:13,052
but I have my principles too.
823
00:38:13,207 --> 00:38:17,776
Well, then we'll just
have to agree to disagree.
824
00:38:18,098 --> 00:38:19,142
No.
825
00:38:23,378 --> 00:38:25,727
Do you really think
that you know more
826
00:38:25,752 --> 00:38:29,973
about domestic
violence than I do?
827
00:38:29,998 --> 00:38:33,435
I... I have counseled victims.
828
00:38:33,460 --> 00:38:34,986
I've volunteered at shelters.
829
00:38:35,011 --> 00:38:37,577
I studied the psychological
impact of trauma.
830
00:38:37,602 --> 00:38:41,301
And there's my sister, who
died at the hands of an abuser.
831
00:38:41,903 --> 00:38:45,197
So please don't tell me what
Michelle should have done
832
00:38:45,222 --> 00:38:47,212
or what she was
legally required to do.
833
00:38:47,237 --> 00:38:49,456
She spent most of her
life being abused.
834
00:38:49,481 --> 00:38:52,178
And the truth is,
Nolan, she wasn't
835
00:38:52,203 --> 00:38:55,075
capable of protecting herself,
let alone her daughter.
836
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:58,363
And there is no
punishment in the world
837
00:38:58,388 --> 00:39:00,041
that is going to change that.
838
00:39:03,425 --> 00:39:04,814
Now, if you don't
respect my opinion
839
00:39:04,839 --> 00:39:07,972
when it comes to this issue,
840
00:39:07,997 --> 00:39:11,477
then I don't know what the
hell I'm doing in this office.
841
00:39:16,270 --> 00:39:17,749
What do you mean,
you wanna cut a deal?
842
00:39:17,774 --> 00:39:18,900
We've been through this.
843
00:39:18,925 --> 00:39:21,283
We agreed Michelle
Burns failed in her duty
844
00:39:21,308 --> 00:39:23,047
to protect her child.
845
00:39:23,228 --> 00:39:24,491
I'm having second thoughts.
846
00:39:26,991 --> 00:39:30,341
Sam has been pretty
passionate in her defense
847
00:39:30,366 --> 00:39:33,150
of Michelle Burns, and...
848
00:39:33,322 --> 00:39:34,888
I'm starting to see
her point of view.
849
00:39:34,913 --> 00:39:38,089
I'm not so sure that sending
an abuse victim to prison
850
00:39:38,114 --> 00:39:40,855
for 15 years is the right call.
851
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,587
Neither am I.
852
00:39:42,612 --> 00:39:45,048
But I have to look
at the big picture.
853
00:39:45,073 --> 00:39:48,267
There are larger societal
implications here.
854
00:39:48,292 --> 00:39:50,815
You're right.
855
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,601
But let's face it, Nick, Sam
knows more about these issues
856
00:39:54,626 --> 00:39:55,869
than we do.
857
00:39:55,980 --> 00:39:59,113
Maybe it's time for us to
start listening to her,
858
00:39:59,138 --> 00:40:03,185
instead of telling
her why she's wrong.
859
00:40:11,223 --> 00:40:13,703
Your Honor, the defendant
has agreed to plead guilty,
860
00:40:13,728 --> 00:40:15,408
and we have a sentencing
recommendation
861
00:40:15,433 --> 00:40:16,947
for the court's consideration.
862
00:40:16,972 --> 00:40:18,146
I'll hear it.
863
00:40:18,394 --> 00:40:19,994
The defendant will
admit to so much
864
00:40:20,033 --> 00:40:21,697
of the complaint that
alleges endangering
865
00:40:21,722 --> 00:40:23,478
the welfare of a child,
866
00:40:23,503 --> 00:40:25,809
and she will serve
one year in jail,
867
00:40:26,006 --> 00:40:28,964
followed by three years of
post-release supervision.
868
00:40:29,246 --> 00:40:30,900
Defense?
869
00:40:32,442 --> 00:40:33,964
We have agreed to the terms.
870
00:40:34,012 --> 00:40:37,798
Okay, Ms. Burns, I will
accept your change of plea
871
00:40:37,823 --> 00:40:40,607
and sentence you to
one year in jail.
872
00:40:40,632 --> 00:40:42,111
Court is adjourned.
873
00:40:54,722 --> 00:40:58,768
Thank you for hearing me.
874
00:41:11,567 --> 00:41:14,525
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