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I'm the great-granddaughter
of Bill Traylor.
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My father was the grandson
of Bill Traylor.
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Clement Traylor was my father.
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That's how I got to know
Bill Traylor was somebody.
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You know,
really, really somebody.
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Traylor's an inspired visualist.
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That's the only way you arrive
at work that's that distinct,
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that esoteric,
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that visually elegant
and refined.
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I think Traylor is
probably the greatest artist
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you've never heard of,
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but he's getting heard of
more and more.
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He put down this entire
oral history in the language
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that was available to him,
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which was
the language of pictures.
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The surrealness of it is that,
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in those artworks
that he is creating,
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he is engaging
with issues around class,
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how we behave
and how we treat one another,
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sometimes good
and sometimes not so good,
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often not so good.
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I see a very animated, agitated,
violent,
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mystical realm.
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When I see Bill Traylor's work,
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I see this yearning for a place
that's beyond here,
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it's a place
that's not-not tangible.
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It's almost like someone did
something and vanished.
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The sign of High John de Conquer
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was a laugh,
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and his singing-symbol
was a drum beat.
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No parading drug-shout
like soldiers out for show...
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It was an inside thing
to live by.
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And it was sure to be heard
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when and where
the work was the hardest,
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and the lot most cruel.
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It helped the slaves endure.
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They knew that something better
was coming.
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So they laughed
in the face of things and sang,
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and the white people
who heard them
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were struck dumb
that they could laugh...
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What was Old Cuffy laughing for?
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And all that time,
there was High John de Conquer,
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playing his trick
of making a way out of no way.
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Hitting a straight lick
with a crooked stick.
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Winning the jackpot with
no other stake but a laugh.
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Local art historian
Miriam Fowler documents
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that Traylor got
his blue poster paint
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from a white teenage
sign painter.
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That was Jay Leavell,
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a budding artist himself,
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and he told his teacher
Charles Shannon
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about the old Black man
drawing on the street corner
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in front of the Pekin Pool Hall.
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Shannon was a socially
conscious Montgomery artist
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who went to check Traylor out.
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This is how my involvement
with Bill Traylor started.
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I used to come into town
on weekends
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to see my family and friends.
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Saturday mornings,
I'd go down on Monroe Street.
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It was Black territory,
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a rich and interesting
world unto itself,
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with my sketch pad.
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On one such Saturday,
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an old Black man
was sitting on a box
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on the Monroe Street sidewalk.
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When I got close to him,
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I could see that he had
a small straight edge stick
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and was ruling lines
with a stub of pencil
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on a small piece of cardboard.
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It was curious
for an old man to be
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sitting on the sidewalk drawing
in the first place.
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I mean, just as a phenomenon,
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this was an interesting one.
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That was the way it started.
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I was the first
to discover Traylor.
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He was a good artist and pure
and self-taught.
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He was also a former slave,
he was Black.
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Perhaps the only other attribute
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that could have lent more
to his popularity now
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is if he were a woman.
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I was just simply enjoying him.
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I loved the street
and the place and all that.
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He was part of the fun.
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Man, as it went along,
it started to... you know,
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it began to shape up.
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I mean, wait a minute,
I think this is awfully good.
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He had been around Montgomery
for some time.
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And when I first met him,
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he was drawing very crudely.
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He drew on small pieces
of scrap paper
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and his pictures were
raw, simplistic sketches
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of animals... dogs, cats,
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mainly a single figure.
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For example, a rat.
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Rats, cups, shoes,
all arranged neatly in rows.
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In the Blacksmith Shop,
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the upward movement that
begins with the angular cut
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into the bottom of the board
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is picked up by
the legless man's rockers
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and the curving tong,
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and swings up into the
spinning figures at the end.
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The gray patch where the paper
is torn from the cardboard
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is so perfectly integrated
into the design
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that it's not perceived
as a flaw.
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Shannon saw the brilliance
of composition,
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of textural choices.
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And I think he was bowled over
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by the fact that Traylor
just made the work,
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he didn't think the work.
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He was enamored with it.
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When we think about
Charles Shannon's work
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in relationship to Bill Traylor,
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it seems so divergent.
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Charles Shannon paints
with oils and on canvas.
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He's really rooted in kind of
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an academic approach
and tradition.
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And Bill Traylor's work
is some ways
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the antithesis of that.
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Then came what I called
"exciting events,"
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storytelling pictures
such as possum hunts
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and drinking bouts.
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Soon, I began to bring him
art supplies
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such as pencils,
better cardboard,
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full range of poster paints,
brushes,
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and his work became
more abstract:
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thatched baskets,
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geometric shapes,
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and more complex compositions,
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full of wonderful humor,
a sure touch
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and a great mastery
of his craft.
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He sat quietly.
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A kind of beautiful simplicity
came through,
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something impersonal, selfless.
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"Ancient" is a word
that comes to mind.
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You think of something ancient.
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Like you were looking through
the eye of an elephant
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and seeing something
with a long history to it.
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Not just the history of one man,
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but of the race or something.
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As if you're looking
at something almost eternal.
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One senses when you look
at the work of Bill Traylor,
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he's on his own,
he's on his own path.
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The sources are what's
immediately around him
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but also what's
inside of his head.
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I always felt
like my studio was church,
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you know.
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I have all my books.
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I have my Bill Traylor books,
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and I read
and I try to go back, um,
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and try to get a sense
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of where he may have been
coming from.
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It's very complicated.
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I want to walk
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to those places
where he once lived.
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I want to know those places,
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I want to see those things,
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'cause I get a better sense.
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I mean, it's kind of like
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I want to go back
to all those past experiences.
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Like the dead-seeming
cold rocks,
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I have memories within
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that came out of the material
that went to make me.
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Time and place
have had their say.
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So you will have
to know something
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about the time and place
where I came from
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in order that you may interpret
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the incidents and directions
of my life.
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Throw me anywhere, Lord
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In that ol' field
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Throw me anywhere...
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Bill Traylor, the fourth son
of Sally and Bill Calloway,
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was born into slavery in 1853
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on a small plantation
near Pleasant Hill,
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just outside Benton, Alabama,
in Dallas County.
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At the time of his birth,
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he and the 17 others on the farm
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were some of three million
African Americans
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held in bondage
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in a nation of about 23 million.
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Calloway, Bill Traylor's father,
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was a skilled bricklayer
and carpenter
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who worked with his owner,
John G. Traylor,
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on constructing
the built environments
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on the plantation,
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from the slave quarters,
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cotton press,
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smokehouses,
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and outbuildings,
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to much of
the main house itself.
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February 25th, 1848:
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Bill plowed new ground today.
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March 8:
Bill made a horse rack,
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cow pen, and stable doors
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while George was ditching.
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March 22: Bill and me
working on the house...
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Bill made a chimney.
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Hired a Negro boy to pick cotton
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while me and Bill
worked on the house
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and the rest of the hands
chopped cotton.
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Went preaching;
left Bill in charge.
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Went hunting with Bill...
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went fishing with Bill.
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I, John G. Traylor,
do hereby make this
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my last will and testament.
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First, I give and bequeath
to my three children
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all my property
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to be equally divided.
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It is my will and desire
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that my Negroes
named Bill and wife Sally
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with their children and
with their future increase,
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be kept together...
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And when he died in 1850,
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that's the way it happened.
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People from outside the South
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see slavery and race relations
as, no pun intended,
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but black and white,
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and there's a lot of gray,
right?
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There's all of these
relationships
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that developed in the breach.
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A family would have
owned slaves,
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they may have even
lived in the same house.
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The slaves might have slept
in the kitchen,
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or on the floor.
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So there was
a degree of intimacy.
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You have people who,
like people do,
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develop very close
connections and friendships,
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even in this coercive
environment of slavery.
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It's not surprising then
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if you have a situation where
relative to other situations,
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you feel like, well,
this is not that bad.
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Bill Traylor left little
record of his childhood years
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when he was enslaved.
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We do know
that in 1863, at age 10,
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Bill and the family moved
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to John's brother
George Traylor's
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nearby "Benton Place"
in Lowndes County,
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six miles away.
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Emancipation was proclaimed,
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but slaves were not free
until 1865,
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when the South was
finally defeated.
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It was, in fact, Union troops
who brought the chaos of war
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into young Bill's life.
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In the final days
of the Confederacy,
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Union General James H. Wilson
staged
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the largest cavalry raid
of the war,
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in a final push
to break the South.
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Some of the stragglers came by
the Traylor place.
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They walked through his house
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and took the meat
from the smokehouse.
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They burned his cotton gin
and 100 bales of cotton.
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As one story has it,
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when the Yankees rode through
the Benton plantation,
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Bill brought his slave owner's
young son Marion with him
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when he hid out in the woods.
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The orders were
to ride as quickly
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to shut down the munitions work
at Selma,
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not to liberate the slaves.
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Despite efforts
to dissuade them,
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Negroes still flocked after
Wilson's horsemen.
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The Seventy-Second Indiana
261
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was trailed by
a large group of "contrabands":
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There were Negro men, women,
and children on horseback,
263
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ass-back, mule-back, cow-back;
264
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in carts, wagons, wheel barrows,
265
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and every other way
you could think.
266
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They seemed to be
perfectly happy,
267
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thinking no doubt that
the year of jubilee had come.
268
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The soldiers tell us
after the war
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that we get food, clothes,
270
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and wages from our masters
'fore we leave,
271
00:13:56,335 --> 00:14:00,538
but there was very, very few
that ever got anything.
272
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Old master says he's not going
to pay us anything.
273
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'Course his money was no good
274
00:14:06,512 --> 00:14:10,215
but he wasn't going to pay us
it if it had been...
275
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Them was bad times,
yeah, them was bad times.
276
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I know folks think
the book tells the truth
277
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but they sure don't.
278
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Us niggers had to take it all.
279
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Then, after the war was over,
we was afraid to move.
280
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Just like terrapins or turtles
after emancipation.
281
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Just stick our heads out
and see how the land lay.
282
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With the war over,
283
00:14:43,949 --> 00:14:46,951
young Bill and his family
decided to stay put.
284
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They took the surname Traylor,
285
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rebuilt the damaged buildings,
286
00:14:50,022 --> 00:14:52,257
and continued farming the land.
287
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The family would stay together
on the Traylor plantation
288
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for 40 more years.
289
00:14:57,897 --> 00:15:00,498
It probably seems highly
unlikely to many folks,
290
00:15:00,499 --> 00:15:02,300
especially folks in the North,
291
00:15:02,301 --> 00:15:04,535
but the Black Traylors
continued to maintain
292
00:15:04,536 --> 00:15:07,372
a relationship
with the white Traylors,
293
00:15:07,373 --> 00:15:09,607
the family that had
for so many years
294
00:15:09,608 --> 00:15:11,109
held them in bondage.
295
00:15:11,110 --> 00:15:12,543
For better or worse,
296
00:15:12,544 --> 00:15:15,113
the white Traylors had been
the Black Traylors' white folks
297
00:15:15,114 --> 00:15:17,348
for almost 60 years.
298
00:15:17,349 --> 00:15:19,550
John Traylor left Bill's family
299
00:15:19,551 --> 00:15:22,487
in the custody
of his brother George,
300
00:15:22,488 --> 00:15:26,257
who was mandated
to free them after the war,
301
00:15:26,258 --> 00:15:29,460
which he did reluctantly.
302
00:15:29,461 --> 00:15:32,263
Post-Civil War,
303
00:15:32,264 --> 00:15:34,699
the blues emerges
as a form of entertainment
304
00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:36,334
on the plantations.
305
00:15:36,335 --> 00:15:40,138
Those troubadours are kind of
moving in between stations,
306
00:15:40,139 --> 00:15:42,440
between plantations.
307
00:15:42,441 --> 00:15:46,377
Often people would make
a reference to Yves Klein
308
00:15:46,378 --> 00:15:48,112
because I use a certain blue.
309
00:15:48,113 --> 00:15:50,548
And it was just
a real rich blue,
310
00:15:50,549 --> 00:15:53,017
and I remember
searching for the blue,
311
00:15:53,018 --> 00:15:55,386
but I picked up the blue
through Bill Traylor,
312
00:15:55,387 --> 00:15:58,289
not through Yves Klein.
313
00:15:58,290 --> 00:16:01,192
And I just remember
searching for this color
314
00:16:01,193 --> 00:16:02,360
and it was poster paint,
315
00:16:02,361 --> 00:16:04,228
it was children's poster paint.
316
00:16:04,229 --> 00:16:05,330
But that was one way,
317
00:16:05,331 --> 00:16:07,031
and it was a reference
to Bill Traylor,
318
00:16:07,032 --> 00:16:10,201
but it's also
a reference to blue
319
00:16:10,202 --> 00:16:12,637
used amongst the Yoruba.
320
00:16:12,638 --> 00:16:16,507
There's a blue that just
say blue, blues.
321
00:16:16,508 --> 00:16:18,743
I'm gon' tell ya what the blues
is really all about.
322
00:16:18,744 --> 00:16:20,745
You got to participate
in the blues,
323
00:16:20,746 --> 00:16:22,380
sing the blues,
324
00:16:22,381 --> 00:16:23,614
dance the blues,
325
00:16:23,615 --> 00:16:24,983
play the blues,
326
00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:27,518
and this will keep
the blues offa you.
327
00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:31,255
So now, if you don't want
to participate in the blues,
328
00:16:31,256 --> 00:16:33,558
then the blues gon' be on you,
329
00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:37,128
so this will help
get the blues offa you.
330
00:16:37,129 --> 00:16:38,696
'Cause if you ain't,
you goin' around every day
331
00:16:38,697 --> 00:16:41,432
with the blues,
sad, feelin' low,
332
00:16:41,433 --> 00:16:43,701
look like nothing
goin' your way.
333
00:16:43,702 --> 00:16:46,404
But you start
to howl you some blues,
334
00:16:46,405 --> 00:16:48,139
and man, you can feel them blues
335
00:16:48,140 --> 00:16:50,141
just gettin' in the wind,
336
00:16:50,142 --> 00:16:52,310
gettin' the blues offa you.
337
00:16:52,311 --> 00:16:55,279
So now, that's the way
I get the blues offa me,
338
00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:56,414
keep the blues off me.
339
00:16:56,415 --> 00:16:57,482
'Cause, man, if you don't,
340
00:16:57,483 --> 00:17:00,785
the blues can take you down.
341
00:17:00,786 --> 00:17:02,487
I mean, under.
342
00:17:02,488 --> 00:17:04,489
They can get on you so heavy.
343
00:17:04,490 --> 00:17:05,391
So you got to...
344
00:17:06,625 --> 00:17:10,361
Howl and whatnot, yeah.
345
00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:16,667
Through the all too brief
Reconstruction period
346
00:17:16,668 --> 00:17:20,471
and the long, dark years
of racist white terrorism,
347
00:17:20,472 --> 00:17:22,607
Traylor stayed put,
348
00:17:22,608 --> 00:17:24,142
worked the land,
349
00:17:24,143 --> 00:17:29,614
and, we assume, caroused
whenever he had the chance.
350
00:17:29,615 --> 00:17:33,117
The transcendent surprise
is that all the while,
351
00:17:33,118 --> 00:17:36,387
as he lived what seemed to be
a very small life,
352
00:17:36,388 --> 00:17:39,290
he was doing something very big.
353
00:17:39,291 --> 00:17:41,759
He was living and seeing
354
00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,495
and remembering
a region and a people
355
00:17:44,496 --> 00:17:48,099
that America would
largely ignore or forget.
356
00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:51,369
And he was nurturing
a remarkable gift
357
00:17:51,370 --> 00:17:54,539
that would not be expressed
for decades.
358
00:17:54,540 --> 00:17:57,442
A gift that would bring
the forgotten world
359
00:17:57,443 --> 00:18:02,346
and its marginalized people
back to vibrant, vivid life,
360
00:18:02,347 --> 00:18:06,451
but not always with imagery
that is without mystery.
361
00:18:06,452 --> 00:18:09,353
I'm not thinking
about after slavery.
362
00:18:09,354 --> 00:18:11,355
There's some other kind
of movement that goes on,
363
00:18:11,356 --> 00:18:15,393
that happens, you know,
often when we dream
364
00:18:15,394 --> 00:18:17,829
and things come
in a very fragmented way.
365
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:19,530
I think it's very typical.
366
00:18:19,531 --> 00:18:20,698
You can talk about any artists
367
00:18:20,699 --> 00:18:22,600
who are working
in this combination
368
00:18:22,601 --> 00:18:25,336
of from memory and from life.
369
00:18:25,337 --> 00:18:27,605
I think the two were
very closely knit for him.
370
00:18:27,606 --> 00:18:30,508
I don't think that
he consciously is saying,
371
00:18:30,509 --> 00:18:33,211
"I'm going to channel
what happened
372
00:18:33,212 --> 00:18:36,714
20, 30 years earlier
on the farm."
373
00:18:36,715 --> 00:18:39,450
My sense is that the reason why
these works are so exciting
374
00:18:39,451 --> 00:18:43,221
and so vital for us
is that they erupt
375
00:18:43,222 --> 00:18:46,824
and they erupt with a kind
of a passion and a verve,
376
00:18:46,825 --> 00:18:50,128
and an insistence
on telling the story.
377
00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:54,298
Traylor had a real knack
for going back and forth
378
00:18:54,299 --> 00:18:57,168
between the simple
and the arcane.
379
00:18:57,169 --> 00:18:59,804
He depicted these scenes
380
00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:02,306
that are impossible
to really unpack,
381
00:19:02,307 --> 00:19:03,608
tell what's going on.
382
00:19:03,609 --> 00:19:05,543
They could be dreams,
they could be nightmares.
383
00:19:05,544 --> 00:19:07,545
Well, I mean,
the iconography tells you
384
00:19:07,546 --> 00:19:09,914
he's the conjure man
of the work.
385
00:19:09,915 --> 00:19:11,415
I mean, these are all a part
386
00:19:11,416 --> 00:19:14,785
of the Black Southern
storytelling tradition
387
00:19:14,786 --> 00:19:16,687
and the Native American
tradition
388
00:19:16,688 --> 00:19:19,857
that it kind of formed
a syncretism with as well.
389
00:19:19,858 --> 00:19:21,526
The people who are
involved in hoodoo
390
00:19:21,527 --> 00:19:24,729
are very much concerned
with trying to provide
391
00:19:24,730 --> 00:19:29,400
means of protection
and healing and fulfillment.
392
00:19:29,401 --> 00:19:32,904
I mean, I just understand it
as part of Black expression,
393
00:19:32,905 --> 00:19:37,341
you know what I mean, and Black
mysticism and spirituality.
394
00:19:37,342 --> 00:19:39,443
And anybody who's spent time
395
00:19:39,444 --> 00:19:42,413
with Robert Farris Thompson's
work knows the connection
396
00:19:42,414 --> 00:19:45,483
between the way it was done in
Africa for thousands of years
397
00:19:45,484 --> 00:19:47,785
and then the way
it reasserted itself
398
00:19:47,786 --> 00:19:51,189
in the Americas in the 19th
and 20th Century.
399
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:52,323
If we're talking about hoodoo,
400
00:19:52,324 --> 00:19:53,958
if we're talking
about conjuration,
401
00:19:53,959 --> 00:19:55,826
we're talking about the realm
of mystery.
402
00:19:55,827 --> 00:19:57,929
Hambone, hambone,
where you been?
403
00:19:59,932 --> 00:20:02,567
Round the world and back again
404
00:20:02,568 --> 00:20:05,269
There are certain elements
in the work,
405
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:07,905
the use of animal spirits
and plant spirits
406
00:20:07,906 --> 00:20:09,373
and there's hybrid people,
407
00:20:09,374 --> 00:20:11,442
there's were-people,
408
00:20:11,443 --> 00:20:15,479
but all these speak to someone
operating intentionally
409
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,848
with the desire to render
the fantastic.
410
00:20:17,849 --> 00:20:21,919
So he's giving us a whole
enchanted magical realm.
411
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,323
The figures seem many times
to be apparitions,
412
00:20:25,324 --> 00:20:27,258
you know, just in terms
of the way they float
413
00:20:27,259 --> 00:20:29,260
on the surface of the work.
414
00:20:30,295 --> 00:20:31,963
If that wiggly snake gets smote
415
00:20:33,498 --> 00:20:35,633
There are times when people
have these implements.
416
00:20:35,634 --> 00:20:37,768
We look at the picture
of Chasing Ghosts
417
00:20:37,769 --> 00:20:39,670
and that figure
seems to have an axe.
418
00:20:39,671 --> 00:20:42,340
Is that a ghost
or is that a representation
419
00:20:42,341 --> 00:20:44,775
of the wife's lover?
420
00:20:46,411 --> 00:20:48,913
The mystery prevails throughout.
421
00:20:50,282 --> 00:20:51,849
Around the world
and I'm going again
422
00:20:53,619 --> 00:20:54,685
Now ham
423
00:20:55,721 --> 00:20:56,754
Now ham
424
00:20:57,756 --> 00:20:58,889
Now ham
425
00:21:03,795 --> 00:21:06,664
One subject Bill Traylor
drew more than once was,
426
00:21:06,665 --> 00:21:08,299
he told me, a construction
427
00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:10,968
they made by the river
when he was young.
428
00:21:10,969 --> 00:21:13,638
They would run out on it
and dive into the river,
429
00:21:13,639 --> 00:21:17,642
come out and take a drink,
and return and dive in again.
430
00:21:18,744 --> 00:21:21,646
Close to the time
when he's 18, 19,
431
00:21:21,647 --> 00:21:23,781
young fellow
feel like he's a man.
432
00:21:23,782 --> 00:21:27,351
I know I was feelin' my man,
gettin' up close to grown.
433
00:21:27,352 --> 00:21:31,055
Nature will teach you
like it teaches a stallion
434
00:21:31,056 --> 00:21:34,392
to jump a fence;
you ain't goin' to hold down.
435
00:21:34,393 --> 00:21:37,662
The thing for a boy to do
when he gets old enough
436
00:21:37,663 --> 00:21:39,730
for his nature to teach him,
437
00:21:39,731 --> 00:21:42,366
don't make a dog of himself.
438
00:21:42,367 --> 00:21:44,835
Now, I was always a fellow
439
00:21:44,836 --> 00:21:47,538
that taken well among the girls.
440
00:21:47,539 --> 00:21:49,540
All I had to do
was present myself.
441
00:21:49,541 --> 00:21:51,409
I was a popular young man.
442
00:21:51,410 --> 00:21:54,578
The girls would cut
buttonholes over me.
443
00:21:54,579 --> 00:21:56,914
It was the easiest thing
I ever done in my life,
444
00:21:56,915 --> 00:21:58,649
tamperin' with women.
445
00:22:01,820 --> 00:22:03,688
While most
of Bill Traylor's relatives
446
00:22:03,689 --> 00:22:06,857
seized the opportunity
to farm on their own,
447
00:22:06,858 --> 00:22:09,493
Bill, living at home
with his mother,
448
00:22:09,494 --> 00:22:12,763
worked for day wages
as a field hand.
449
00:22:12,764 --> 00:22:15,466
By 18 7 0, Bill and his
younger brother, Emmitt,
450
00:22:15,467 --> 00:22:17,001
moved out
of their mother's house
451
00:22:17,002 --> 00:22:19,103
and into their own place
next door.
452
00:22:19,104 --> 00:22:20,705
And then, a year later,
453
00:22:20,706 --> 00:22:24,008
he married a neighbor,
Elsey Dunklin.
454
00:22:24,009 --> 00:22:26,844
Years later, he was linked
to another local girl,
455
00:22:26,845 --> 00:22:29,513
- Laura Williams.
- Who ended up having a baby
456
00:22:29,514 --> 00:22:31,382
a few months after
Elsey gave birth
457
00:22:31,383 --> 00:22:33,918
to their third child, Sally.
458
00:22:33,919 --> 00:22:36,387
Sally would change her name
to Sarah.
459
00:22:36,388 --> 00:22:39,657
We don't know exactly
what happened to Elsey,
460
00:22:39,658 --> 00:22:41,058
but we do know
that Bill was left
461
00:22:41,059 --> 00:22:44,862
with their three small children
Pauline, George, and Sarah,
462
00:22:44,863 --> 00:22:46,497
to raise on his own.
463
00:22:46,498 --> 00:22:47,732
Four children.
464
00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:52,403
Bill had also taken in
Nellie as well.
465
00:22:52,404 --> 00:22:54,004
No wonder there's so much tumult
466
00:22:54,005 --> 00:22:56,807
in Bill's farm drawings.
467
00:23:18,463 --> 00:23:20,164
When I look at Traylor's work,
468
00:23:20,165 --> 00:23:24,034
I see this, like,
freedom of expressing
469
00:23:24,035 --> 00:23:26,504
or seeing what's going on
around him,
470
00:23:26,505 --> 00:23:29,073
but also being very lyrical
about it.
471
00:23:39,117 --> 00:23:40,785
Well, when I see them,
I see movement,
472
00:23:40,786 --> 00:23:43,421
I see... I see...
473
00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:45,656
I f... I feel...
474
00:23:45,657 --> 00:23:51,061
I feel jazz,
I feel one with time
475
00:23:51,062 --> 00:23:56,734
and thinking about
their past steps.
476
00:24:00,038 --> 00:24:01,672
It is the lack of symmetry
477
00:24:01,673 --> 00:24:03,174
that makes Negro dancing
478
00:24:03,175 --> 00:24:06,177
so difficult
for white dancers to learn.
479
00:24:06,178 --> 00:24:08,979
The abrupt
and unexpected changes,
480
00:24:08,980 --> 00:24:12,049
the frequent changes
of key and time
481
00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:15,953
are evidences of this quality
in music.
482
00:24:15,954 --> 00:24:17,721
The dancing of the justly famous
483
00:24:17,722 --> 00:24:19,590
Bojangles and Snake Hips
484
00:24:19,591 --> 00:24:21,826
are excellent examples.
485
00:24:21,827 --> 00:24:25,463
The presence of rhythm and lack
of symmetry are paradoxical,
486
00:24:25,464 --> 00:24:26,964
but there they are.
487
00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:29,900
Both are present
to a marked degree.
488
00:24:29,901 --> 00:24:31,769
There is always rhythm,
489
00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:34,505
but it is the rhythm of segment.
490
00:24:34,506 --> 00:24:36,941
Each unit has a rhythm
of its own,
491
00:24:36,942 --> 00:24:38,542
but when the whole is assembled
492
00:24:38,543 --> 00:24:40,878
it is lacking in symmetry.
493
00:24:40,879 --> 00:24:42,546
But easily workable to a Negro
494
00:24:42,547 --> 00:24:44,081
who is accustomed to the break
495
00:24:44,082 --> 00:24:46,517
in going from one part
to another,
496
00:24:46,518 --> 00:24:49,653
so that he adjusts himself
to the new tempo.
497
00:24:52,958 --> 00:24:54,091
When I look at those figures
498
00:24:54,092 --> 00:24:57,161
of people feverishly dancing,
499
00:24:57,162 --> 00:25:00,197
the abstraction of form
and movement there,
500
00:25:00,198 --> 00:25:03,634
and the fact that some
characters are tippling back.
501
00:25:03,635 --> 00:25:06,537
That takes me right into
the juke joints of the South.
502
00:25:06,538 --> 00:25:08,973
They're hearing it all,
they're dancing to it all.
503
00:25:10,842 --> 00:25:16,046
There's this formal vitality
that's kind of irresistible.
504
00:25:16,047 --> 00:25:18,782
There's a tremendous amount
of body language in them
505
00:25:18,783 --> 00:25:20,251
and body motion, you know.
506
00:25:20,252 --> 00:25:21,819
You don't have
little movement marks
507
00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:24,555
around Traylor's figures,
but you feel them.
508
00:25:24,556 --> 00:25:25,856
I mean Friday, Saturday night
509
00:25:25,857 --> 00:25:27,992
were the most important days
in the world
510
00:25:27,993 --> 00:25:30,227
for a sharecropper community.
511
00:25:30,228 --> 00:25:34,265
Let go, release, be yourself,
be among friends.
512
00:25:34,266 --> 00:25:38,669
The music is essential
to that experience,
513
00:25:38,670 --> 00:25:39,737
to that desire.
514
00:25:39,738 --> 00:25:43,073
It's inspired
by conjuration culture,
515
00:25:43,074 --> 00:25:46,143
but so is Louis Armstrong.
516
00:25:52,684 --> 00:25:54,885
After a few years
trying to raise
517
00:25:54,886 --> 00:25:58,689
a houseful of children
on his own, Bill remarried.
518
00:25:58,690 --> 00:26:01,325
Not to his former lover,
Laura Williams,
519
00:26:01,326 --> 00:26:03,627
but to another Dunklin girl,
520
00:26:03,628 --> 00:26:06,564
most probably
Elsey's kin Laurine,
521
00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,261
better known as Lorisa.
522
00:26:10,035 --> 00:26:13,237
If, as it's thought,
Lorisa was Elsey's kin,
523
00:26:13,238 --> 00:26:16,073
she most likely knew
all about Bill,
524
00:26:16,074 --> 00:26:17,875
who, despite that, it was clear
525
00:26:17,876 --> 00:26:20,611
he knew how to farm
with the best of them
526
00:26:20,612 --> 00:26:24,682
and who stuck by his kids
whatever the hardship.
527
00:26:24,683 --> 00:26:27,851
So, on August 23, 1891,
528
00:26:27,852 --> 00:26:30,287
during a lull
in the planting season,
529
00:26:30,288 --> 00:26:34,124
Bill and Lorisa took a wagon
40 miles down and back
530
00:26:34,125 --> 00:26:35,693
to the Hayneville courthouse
531
00:26:35,694 --> 00:26:37,895
in the heart of what was once
532
00:26:37,896 --> 00:26:40,598
one of the nastiest places
in Alabama,
533
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,159
Lowndes County, and got married.
534
00:26:46,671 --> 00:26:49,306
Things had always been bad
around Hayneville,
535
00:26:49,307 --> 00:26:53,644
but in the last few years
they'd gotten even worse.
536
00:26:53,645 --> 00:26:56,347
In March, 1888,
there'd been a shootout
537
00:26:56,348 --> 00:26:59,116
between some white drunk
named Gresham
538
00:26:59,117 --> 00:27:02,753
and a Black field hand,
Theo Calloway.
539
00:27:02,754 --> 00:27:06,156
Now, Theo was one
of the Sandy Ridge Calloways
540
00:27:06,157 --> 00:27:09,126
that might well have been kin
to the Benton Calloways.
541
00:27:09,127 --> 00:27:13,364
Related or not, everyone
in Lowndes knew the story.
542
00:27:13,365 --> 00:27:14,965
Most everyone in the country
543
00:27:14,966 --> 00:27:17,301
heard about how Theo
was arrested
544
00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:20,838
and how the town sheriff
accidentally let 200
545
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:24,241
of Gresham's closest friends
have the jailhouse keys.
546
00:27:27,312 --> 00:27:29,913
Theo Calloway was lynched.
547
00:27:29,914 --> 00:27:32,216
His body was used
for target practice
548
00:27:32,217 --> 00:27:34,151
and left hanging for two days
549
00:27:34,152 --> 00:27:36,320
in front
of the Hayneville Courthouse.
550
00:27:40,125 --> 00:27:42,426
His parents
had to ask permission
551
00:27:42,427 --> 00:27:44,294
to cut down the body.
552
00:27:47,065 --> 00:27:51,101
Local Blacks fought back,
troops were called out,
553
00:27:51,102 --> 00:27:53,070
and over the next ten years,
554
00:27:53,071 --> 00:27:57,908
Bloody Lowndes earned
its nickname ten times over.
555
00:27:57,909 --> 00:28:00,711
Armed skirmishes
and armed retaliation
556
00:28:00,712 --> 00:28:04,748
between Blacks and whites
became a way of life,
557
00:28:04,749 --> 00:28:08,318
until Black church leaders
called on Booker T. Washington
558
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:09,987
to step in,
559
00:28:09,988 --> 00:28:14,425
saying that if God wasn't
answering their prayers,
560
00:28:14,426 --> 00:28:16,226
maybe Mr. Washington would.
561
00:28:18,163 --> 00:28:19,830
And then the story took
562
00:28:19,831 --> 00:28:21,832
an unexpected turn
for the better.
563
00:28:21,833 --> 00:28:23,967
Sometimes that happens.
564
00:28:23,968 --> 00:28:26,437
So Booker T. Washington
travels to Lowndes
565
00:28:26,438 --> 00:28:28,972
and calls on N.J. Bell,
566
00:28:28,973 --> 00:28:30,941
the richest landlord
in the area.
567
00:28:30,942 --> 00:28:33,243
And by the end
of their little meeting,
568
00:28:33,244 --> 00:28:36,914
Bell had donated ten acres
to the Black community
569
00:28:36,915 --> 00:28:39,183
to build their first school
in Lowndes.
570
00:28:39,184 --> 00:28:42,419
It appears that not only
was "the Wizard of Tuskegee"
571
00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:45,089
a persuasive force
of righteousness,
572
00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:48,992
but Bell apparently so disliked
his boorish neighbors,
573
00:28:48,993 --> 00:28:50,994
giving the land
for a Black school
574
00:28:50,995 --> 00:28:52,763
was a great act of spite.
575
00:28:56,835 --> 00:28:58,168
Traylor has certain themes
576
00:28:58,169 --> 00:29:00,804
that come up time and again
in his work.
577
00:29:00,805 --> 00:29:03,907
Certain themes
such as the house,
578
00:29:03,908 --> 00:29:07,144
which we think probably
refers back to the farm days
579
00:29:07,145 --> 00:29:09,046
since that wasn't
the kind of structure
580
00:29:09,047 --> 00:29:11,381
that he was really living in
in Montgomery.
581
00:29:11,382 --> 00:29:14,985
He also depicted animals
very frequently.
582
00:29:14,986 --> 00:29:17,087
Snakes definitely turn up.
583
00:29:17,088 --> 00:29:18,388
Cats.
584
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:19,823
Birds.
585
00:29:19,824 --> 00:29:20,824
Plants.
586
00:29:20,825 --> 00:29:25,229
Some kind of animal figure.
587
00:29:25,230 --> 00:29:27,898
Sometimes you could tell
that he was experimenting
588
00:29:27,899 --> 00:29:30,200
maybe with an animal that
he wasn't very familiar with
589
00:29:30,201 --> 00:29:32,236
and he only did it
once or twice.
590
00:29:32,237 --> 00:29:34,805
Other times,
591
00:29:34,806 --> 00:29:37,141
particularly with the dogs,
592
00:29:37,142 --> 00:29:39,143
you can tell
that he knew that animal.
593
00:29:39,144 --> 00:29:40,544
Well, sometimes
they're attacking,
594
00:29:40,545 --> 00:29:43,013
sometimes they're witnessing.
595
00:29:43,014 --> 00:29:46,517
Sometimes they're in conflict
with other animal spirits,
596
00:29:46,518 --> 00:29:48,452
they're both hunted and hunting.
597
00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:51,355
The silhouette, the shape,
598
00:29:51,356 --> 00:29:54,958
how he fills in the space,
and then the space itself.
599
00:29:54,959 --> 00:29:56,960
He's staging scenes.
600
00:29:56,961 --> 00:29:58,262
He learned how to do that.
601
00:29:58,263 --> 00:29:59,897
And I think that
he that also learned
602
00:29:59,898 --> 00:30:04,568
how to make those images
speak on multiple fronts.
603
00:30:04,569 --> 00:30:07,304
Say one thing
to a Black audience
604
00:30:07,305 --> 00:30:08,505
that might be seeing them.
605
00:30:08,506 --> 00:30:10,340
Say something different
to a white audience
606
00:30:10,341 --> 00:30:13,277
that might be more critical
of that message.
607
00:30:13,278 --> 00:30:15,279
These are things
that you look at,
608
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,248
and you say, "yeah,
that's a dog fight."
609
00:30:18,249 --> 00:30:21,084
Yes, there is something
that we can recognize.
610
00:30:21,085 --> 00:30:22,519
But then there's
this other thing,
611
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,222
something that really works
inside of the head,
612
00:30:25,223 --> 00:30:27,491
and gets you to think
about power,
613
00:30:27,492 --> 00:30:32,095
to think about tension,
to think about energy itself.
614
00:30:32,096 --> 00:30:35,199
He's speaking to just the fear
615
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,102
that had been inculcated
within the Black community.
616
00:30:39,103 --> 00:30:42,506
People didn't feel comfortable
even letting white people know
617
00:30:42,507 --> 00:30:44,942
they even had a thought
about anything.
618
00:30:44,943 --> 00:30:48,078
The meta-narratives
of confrontation,
619
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:49,246
of collision,
620
00:30:49,247 --> 00:30:50,948
of the racial dynamic
that they are living
621
00:30:50,949 --> 00:30:52,482
and experiencing
as they stand and look
622
00:30:52,483 --> 00:30:54,484
at this artist
creating this work
623
00:30:54,485 --> 00:30:56,186
in front of white people.
624
00:30:56,187 --> 00:30:57,421
During his time,
625
00:30:57,422 --> 00:31:00,524
there must have been
some horrific instances.
626
00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:05,128
Certainly, I know he saw
and possibly experienced
627
00:31:05,129 --> 00:31:07,325
some... some pretty bad
situations.
628
00:31:08,967 --> 00:31:12,302
I see pain in a different place
in his work.
629
00:31:12,303 --> 00:31:13,937
I see past pain.
630
00:31:13,938 --> 00:31:15,038
I see...
631
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:17,007
I see it more like
this is the pill...
632
00:31:17,008 --> 00:31:19,068
His work is the pill
from the pain.
633
00:31:20,245 --> 00:31:24,281
That's how I see it.
634
00:31:26,150 --> 00:31:27,951
Things started to pull together
635
00:31:27,952 --> 00:31:30,487
after Bill and Lorisa
got married.
636
00:31:30,488 --> 00:31:33,991
Lorisa adopted Bill's kids
as her own.
637
00:31:33,992 --> 00:31:37,594
Bill moved up from working for
wages as a simple farm laborer,
638
00:31:37,595 --> 00:31:40,898
to renting his own land
from the white Traylors
639
00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:43,000
and farming it on his own.
640
00:31:43,001 --> 00:31:46,003
Now there are different kinds
of tenant farming.
641
00:31:46,004 --> 00:31:49,273
If you didn't own your own
horse or mule or tools,
642
00:31:49,274 --> 00:31:51,942
you could rent them on credit
from the landlord,
643
00:31:51,943 --> 00:31:53,343
which often led to a debt
644
00:31:53,344 --> 00:31:56,146
and almost slave-like
obligations.
645
00:31:56,147 --> 00:31:57,648
If, on the other hand,
646
00:31:57,649 --> 00:32:01,285
you didn't have to borrow
the means of your livelihood,
647
00:32:01,286 --> 00:32:04,021
you could grow whatever
you wanted on the land,
648
00:32:04,022 --> 00:32:06,356
and farm it pretty much
as your own boss,
649
00:32:06,357 --> 00:32:08,358
if you knew what you were doing.
650
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:10,961
And Bill knew what he was doing.
651
00:32:13,197 --> 00:32:14,564
While others
were planting cash crops
652
00:32:14,565 --> 00:32:17,134
like cotton, Bill diversified.
653
00:32:17,135 --> 00:32:19,136
He used to say,
"You could have that building
654
00:32:19,137 --> 00:32:22,472
over there full of money,
but you couldn't eat it."
655
00:32:22,473 --> 00:32:25,175
Traylor raised foodstuff
as well as cotton,
656
00:32:25,176 --> 00:32:27,344
and kept on raising animals
of all kinds.
657
00:32:27,345 --> 00:32:29,012
You've got to get up,
get out, go on
658
00:32:29,013 --> 00:32:31,415
So even though
depression and hard times
659
00:32:31,416 --> 00:32:33,650
had hit most of Alabama,
660
00:32:33,651 --> 00:32:36,520
Bill kept the farm
and his family above water,
661
00:32:36,521 --> 00:32:38,722
working hard
and clearly drinking,
662
00:32:38,723 --> 00:32:41,558
which by his drawings
looked like an endless source
663
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:44,328
for celebration and despair.
664
00:32:44,329 --> 00:32:46,263
When you hear the tone,
it will be exactly...
665
00:32:47,265 --> 00:32:48,598
Time to get a drink
666
00:32:50,568 --> 00:32:52,161
Just a little drink
667
00:32:54,238 --> 00:32:55,604
Any little drink
668
00:32:57,608 --> 00:32:59,270
Will do
669
00:33:01,179 --> 00:33:04,181
Bill said many times
that drink ruined his life.
670
00:33:04,182 --> 00:33:05,549
Drinking will get you
in trouble.
671
00:33:05,550 --> 00:33:07,484
Drinking will make you
lose your wife.
672
00:33:07,485 --> 00:33:09,686
Drinking will send you
to the penitentiary.
673
00:33:09,687 --> 00:33:13,223
He said what little sense
he had whiskey took away.
674
00:33:13,224 --> 00:33:15,425
He knew drink from the inside.
675
00:33:15,426 --> 00:33:17,627
He once said he drew some
people with duck lips,
676
00:33:17,628 --> 00:33:21,732
you know, to show the tingle
you get from that first drink.
677
00:33:21,733 --> 00:33:24,201
But even
at their most inebriated,
678
00:33:24,202 --> 00:33:26,536
his drinkers
still move with grace
679
00:33:26,537 --> 00:33:29,773
and a certain dignity.
680
00:33:29,774 --> 00:33:32,642
Bill loved imperfection,
anomalies,
681
00:33:32,643 --> 00:33:34,745
and making something remarkable
682
00:33:34,746 --> 00:33:37,647
from the abandoned,
discarded, and flawed.
683
00:33:37,648 --> 00:33:42,419
I see these imageries as
kind of a translated freedom,
684
00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:44,521
a way of being your own person,
685
00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:46,690
and whether that meant
that you were free
686
00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:50,560
to do something
important and powerful
687
00:33:50,561 --> 00:33:54,598
or you were free to mess up
and not do the right thing,
688
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:57,601
it was still a certain...
Certain personal freedom
689
00:33:57,602 --> 00:33:59,436
that was important to have.
690
00:33:59,437 --> 00:34:01,338
Join us in a drink
691
00:34:03,107 --> 00:34:04,808
Or two
692
00:34:04,809 --> 00:34:06,610
Or three
693
00:34:06,611 --> 00:34:08,311
Or four
694
00:34:08,312 --> 00:34:09,613
Or more
695
00:34:13,251 --> 00:34:16,386
Traylor seemed to really prefer
696
00:34:16,387 --> 00:34:20,057
pieces of board that were
found, that were worn.
697
00:34:20,058 --> 00:34:23,160
Discarded cardboard and boxes
698
00:34:23,161 --> 00:34:26,563
and backs of posters
and castoff materials,
699
00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:30,100
whether they're industrial
or from nature.
700
00:34:30,101 --> 00:34:33,303
Everything is used
and it's completely parallel
701
00:34:33,304 --> 00:34:36,306
to the way he's using
the cardboard.
702
00:34:36,307 --> 00:34:38,809
You know, he's getting
everything he can out of that.
703
00:34:38,810 --> 00:34:41,378
Tears and stains and marks.
704
00:34:41,379 --> 00:34:42,846
They kind of carried with them
705
00:34:42,847 --> 00:34:45,115
the story of the road
they had traveled.
706
00:34:45,116 --> 00:34:46,716
Probably the use
of cardboard and stuff
707
00:34:46,717 --> 00:34:49,252
would be considered
more conceptual today.
708
00:34:49,253 --> 00:34:51,555
We call it recycling
and he's just...
709
00:34:53,324 --> 00:34:54,391
...doing it.
710
00:34:54,392 --> 00:34:56,326
He liked drawing on dirty boxes,
711
00:34:56,327 --> 00:34:58,528
I think because the smudges
cracks, stains,
712
00:34:58,529 --> 00:35:00,497
and the irregular shapes
of his boards
713
00:35:00,498 --> 00:35:03,867
generated visual activity
that he responded to.
714
00:35:03,868 --> 00:35:06,503
For example, he found
a counter display card
715
00:35:06,504 --> 00:35:07,804
with staples in it
716
00:35:07,805 --> 00:35:10,474
where men's handkerchiefs
had been attached.
717
00:35:10,475 --> 00:35:13,310
Another window display card
had a thin slot in it
718
00:35:13,311 --> 00:35:16,580
and Bill drew a figure
peeking into the slot.
719
00:35:16,581 --> 00:35:18,815
And in Brown House
with Figures and Birds,
720
00:35:18,816 --> 00:35:20,283
the way the figures are pulled
721
00:35:20,284 --> 00:35:23,253
and tumbling back
into the bulge at the left
722
00:35:23,254 --> 00:35:24,588
and the birds are sweeping up
723
00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:26,857
the right hurling edge
of the board
724
00:35:26,858 --> 00:35:29,459
back into the center
of the picture,
725
00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:31,595
one feels
that had to be in response
726
00:35:31,596 --> 00:35:33,630
to the shape of a given space.
727
00:35:33,631 --> 00:35:36,466
With Traylor in particular,
728
00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:38,168
the mystery really is,
729
00:35:38,169 --> 00:35:41,338
just how did that
come out so quickly,
730
00:35:41,339 --> 00:35:43,773
so clearly?
731
00:35:43,774 --> 00:35:46,776
And you feel like
it was in him for years.
732
00:35:46,777 --> 00:35:49,446
He's 80,
he's seen a lot in his life.
733
00:35:49,447 --> 00:35:51,314
But I really feel
that these are works
734
00:35:51,315 --> 00:35:52,883
that have a kind of insistence.
735
00:35:52,884 --> 00:35:54,417
I think that's why
we like them so much,
736
00:35:54,418 --> 00:35:56,520
that's why we're so moved
by his work,
737
00:35:56,521 --> 00:35:59,456
is that they don't have
this kind of desire
738
00:35:59,457 --> 00:36:02,626
to teach us a story,
or a lesson.
739
00:36:02,627 --> 00:36:04,895
What we're confronted with
is what we see.
740
00:36:04,896 --> 00:36:08,398
And there's such strength
and such beauty
741
00:36:08,399 --> 00:36:12,602
and such poetry in what it is
that we engage with.
742
00:36:12,603 --> 00:36:17,474
It's more powerful
than being taught.
743
00:36:17,475 --> 00:36:24,181
I think the power lies
in self... knowing self,
744
00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:27,784
not being taught self.
745
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:35,725
Bill said to me the reason
he left the plantation was,
746
00:36:35,726 --> 00:36:38,228
as he put it,
"My white folks died
747
00:36:38,229 --> 00:36:40,497
and my children scattered."
748
00:36:40,498 --> 00:36:43,567
However congenial or genuine
the relation between
749
00:36:43,568 --> 00:36:47,504
the Black Traylors and Marion
might or might not have been,
750
00:36:47,505 --> 00:36:50,540
there was clearly
a personal bond there.
751
00:36:50,541 --> 00:36:54,211
And when Marion,
who was in charge, got sick,
752
00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:57,814
his son George Boyd Traylor
took over.
753
00:36:57,815 --> 00:37:00,650
It's said that he was tough
on the laborers.
754
00:37:00,651 --> 00:37:03,453
So, not just Bill
and his family,
755
00:37:03,454 --> 00:37:05,956
but all the Black Traylors
on the farm
756
00:37:05,957 --> 00:37:10,493
after three generations
in one place up and left.
757
00:37:10,494 --> 00:37:13,330
Nothin' but peace in that...
758
00:37:13,331 --> 00:37:15,265
Bill wasn't just moving
his family
759
00:37:15,266 --> 00:37:17,934
from one anonymous
white-owned farm to another.
760
00:37:17,935 --> 00:37:21,504
Traylor was moving from land
he knew intimately:
761
00:37:21,505 --> 00:37:22,906
land he was raised on,
762
00:37:22,907 --> 00:37:25,242
that he'd worked
most of his life
763
00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:27,978
as his father
had done before him.
764
00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:31,814
For the first time in his life,
Bill Traylor was without a home.
765
00:37:34,619 --> 00:37:36,953
Traylor and his family
eventually settled
766
00:37:36,954 --> 00:37:39,689
50 miles away
where Bill rented land
767
00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:41,791
and continued farming.
768
00:37:41,792 --> 00:37:44,461
While there's no information
about the quality
769
00:37:44,462 --> 00:37:47,430
of the new land or the terms
of the new landlord,
770
00:37:47,431 --> 00:37:49,966
records make clear
that the Traylor family
771
00:37:49,967 --> 00:37:51,635
kept growing.
772
00:37:51,636 --> 00:37:54,504
By the time the Traylors set up
in Montgomery County,
773
00:37:54,505 --> 00:37:57,374
there were nine children living
under the same roof.
774
00:37:57,375 --> 00:37:59,476
Four of them Bill had
with Lorisa,
775
00:37:59,477 --> 00:38:01,678
one possibly
with Laura Williams,
776
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:04,547
and another four
outside children
777
00:38:04,548 --> 00:38:06,850
Bill apparently had
with other women.
778
00:38:06,851 --> 00:38:10,720
However many other women
Bill had or hadn't had,
779
00:38:10,721 --> 00:38:13,523
by 1910, after 20 years,
780
00:38:13,524 --> 00:38:17,027
Laura Williams is listed
as his common law wife.
781
00:38:17,028 --> 00:38:20,030
What became of Lorisa
is unclear.
782
00:38:22,033 --> 00:38:23,733
Say, honey
783
00:38:23,734 --> 00:38:26,503
Where did you stay at
last night?
784
00:38:26,504 --> 00:38:27,837
Where... where did I stay
last night?
785
00:38:27,838 --> 00:38:28,938
You heard me
786
00:38:28,939 --> 00:38:31,508
Honey, you'd be surprised
787
00:38:31,509 --> 00:38:33,576
No, I won't be surprised
788
00:38:33,577 --> 00:38:34,844
You'd be surprised...
789
00:38:34,845 --> 00:38:37,647
When we look at
the relationships he depicts
790
00:38:37,648 --> 00:38:41,418
between men and women,
we have to be careful
791
00:38:41,419 --> 00:38:43,653
about putting
a contemporary overlay
792
00:38:43,654 --> 00:38:47,757
on what was the reality
of his time and place,
793
00:38:47,758 --> 00:38:51,861
which was very much about
shifting family structures
794
00:38:51,862 --> 00:38:53,730
and making do.
795
00:38:53,731 --> 00:38:56,566
We've been married
'bout one year
796
00:38:56,567 --> 00:38:58,335
That's too durn long
797
00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:00,970
But it seemed like heavenly
798
00:39:00,971 --> 00:39:05,475
It's something that we can't
really go back and understand,
799
00:39:05,476 --> 00:39:07,644
and have to give
a lot of latitude
800
00:39:07,645 --> 00:39:13,516
to the reality
that survival was day-to-day
801
00:39:13,517 --> 00:39:15,819
and it happened both
on practical fronts
802
00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:17,020
and emotional ones.
803
00:39:19,724 --> 00:39:22,926
Traylor's subjects are very
specific and local in a way.
804
00:39:22,927 --> 00:39:24,994
But part of their power
is that they're...
805
00:39:24,995 --> 00:39:27,063
I find them
completely universal.
806
00:39:27,064 --> 00:39:28,698
The ones that intrigue me
the most
807
00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:30,100
are the arguments
between couples,
808
00:39:30,101 --> 00:39:34,637
like you just see a couple
standing on the street
809
00:39:34,638 --> 00:39:36,673
and he knows exactly
what's going on
810
00:39:36,674 --> 00:39:38,734
and he can depict that.
811
00:39:41,445 --> 00:39:42,712
When they're fighting,
812
00:39:42,713 --> 00:39:44,581
everybody's pointing
in a different direction,
813
00:39:44,582 --> 00:39:46,149
because they have
their different opinions,
814
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:48,852
and she's pointing that way
and he's pointing that way.
815
00:39:48,853 --> 00:39:51,388
They are just like...
They are not on the same page.
816
00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:54,591
We women can be anything
that you men can be
817
00:39:54,592 --> 00:40:00,630
Yeah, but you'll never be
the father of a family
818
00:40:00,631 --> 00:40:05,168
- Now, I'm a woman
- Yes, and I'm a man
819
00:40:05,169 --> 00:40:10,005
- So you can't do that to me
- So you can't do that to me
820
00:40:12,943 --> 00:40:16,813
Hey, hey, boll weevil
821
00:40:18,482 --> 00:40:20,617
By the time Traylor
and his family
822
00:40:20,618 --> 00:40:23,453
started farming
in Kendell, Montgomery County,
823
00:40:23,454 --> 00:40:27,690
the hard times that plagued
the South got even worse.
824
00:40:27,691 --> 00:40:30,760
The boll weevil infestation
decimates
825
00:40:30,761 --> 00:40:34,431
the cotton industry
for several years.
826
00:40:34,432 --> 00:40:37,000
Then there are other places
around the world
827
00:40:37,001 --> 00:40:38,802
that can pick up that slack.
828
00:40:38,803 --> 00:40:40,503
And so you see Black people
829
00:40:40,504 --> 00:40:42,005
leaving the rural area,
830
00:40:42,006 --> 00:40:45,875
not just because of rural
violence and segregation,
831
00:40:45,876 --> 00:40:48,678
but also because
of mechanization
832
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:50,180
and lower demand
833
00:40:50,181 --> 00:40:52,949
and the lower prices
relative to cotton.
834
00:40:55,152 --> 00:40:58,922
By the 1920s, the Traylors
moved again in response
835
00:40:58,923 --> 00:41:02,826
to the worsening conditions,
physical as well as economic.
836
00:41:02,827 --> 00:41:05,829
It seems the rheumatism
that would eventually cost him
837
00:41:05,830 --> 00:41:08,164
his leg had laid him low.
838
00:41:08,165 --> 00:41:11,768
For the first time since the
post-Civil War census began,
839
00:41:11,769 --> 00:41:14,637
Bill was no longer able
to plow or plant
840
00:41:14,638 --> 00:41:19,242
and his occupation
was now listed as "none."
841
00:41:19,243 --> 00:41:21,778
Laura was no longer
working either,
842
00:41:21,779 --> 00:41:23,546
and their sons
Willie and Clement
843
00:41:23,547 --> 00:41:26,783
appeared to be supporting them
until they also quit the land,
844
00:41:26,784 --> 00:41:29,619
first joining their sister
Nellie in Birmingham
845
00:41:29,620 --> 00:41:32,589
where young Willie,
said to be Bill's favorite,
846
00:41:32,590 --> 00:41:35,758
married and started
a family of his own.
847
00:41:35,759 --> 00:41:42,131
That is until 1928 when he was
brutally shot down by police.
848
00:41:45,603 --> 00:41:48,671
My grandfather Bill Traylor
went to Birmingham
849
00:41:48,672 --> 00:41:51,908
to identify the body.
850
00:41:51,909 --> 00:41:57,046
He felt unending sadness
at the loss of Willie.
851
00:42:01,018 --> 00:42:02,785
Whether they knew it
at the time,
852
00:42:02,786 --> 00:42:04,787
Bill Traylor and his family
were enacting
853
00:42:04,788 --> 00:42:07,690
one of the central rituals
of African American life
854
00:42:07,691 --> 00:42:09,526
in the early 20th century.
855
00:42:09,527 --> 00:42:12,729
Squeezed out and yet locked in
by a Southern world
856
00:42:12,730 --> 00:42:15,298
that both reviled
and needed them,
857
00:42:15,299 --> 00:42:18,268
Blacks were leaving
the rural South for cities,
858
00:42:18,269 --> 00:42:22,005
mostly in the North,
where jobs were more plentiful.
859
00:42:22,006 --> 00:42:24,641
By the time of Willie's death,
860
00:42:24,642 --> 00:42:27,176
all of Bill's children
and Laura Williams
861
00:42:27,177 --> 00:42:29,145
had moved away.
862
00:42:29,146 --> 00:42:31,314
Alone, in his 70s,
863
00:42:31,315 --> 00:42:34,183
cut off from everything
but memories,
864
00:42:34,184 --> 00:42:37,287
Bill Traylor headed
to Montgomery
865
00:42:37,288 --> 00:42:39,722
sometime in 192 7-'28.
866
00:42:39,723 --> 00:42:42,158
Well, I done got old
867
00:42:44,028 --> 00:42:47,096
Well, I done got old
868
00:42:50,968 --> 00:42:55,104
I can't do the things
I used to do
869
00:42:55,105 --> 00:42:57,631
'Cause I done got old
870
00:43:03,047 --> 00:43:05,715
When my grandfather lived
for a time
871
00:43:05,716 --> 00:43:09,786
in a little shack
on Bell Street in Montgomery,
872
00:43:09,787 --> 00:43:14,023
he worked as a shoemaker
for a private family.
873
00:43:14,024 --> 00:43:17,260
He drew with charcoal
and hung his works for sale
874
00:43:17,261 --> 00:43:21,130
on the fence around his shack.
875
00:43:21,131 --> 00:43:26,769
Us grandchildren would also
bring him our shoes for repair.
876
00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:31,374
When he was done with that,
we'd sit and watch the trains.
877
00:43:31,375 --> 00:43:33,943
And sometimes he'd draw me.
878
00:43:33,944 --> 00:43:36,679
And then because of the pain
in his legs,
879
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,615
he couldn't work anymore.
880
00:43:38,616 --> 00:43:40,650
Unemployed and homeless,
881
00:43:40,651 --> 00:43:44,621
Bill had only one place to go:
uptown.
882
00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:46,923
There he placed himself
in what may have been
883
00:43:46,924 --> 00:43:49,926
the most central location
in the city of Montgomery:
884
00:43:49,927 --> 00:43:51,060
Monroe Street.
885
00:43:51,061 --> 00:43:53,129
One of the things
that people talk about
886
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:56,666
when you go to New York City,
it's a city that never sleeps.
887
00:43:56,667 --> 00:43:59,202
That's the way they talked
about Monroe Street,
888
00:43:59,203 --> 00:44:01,771
that there were always people
on Monroe Street.
889
00:44:01,772 --> 00:44:04,073
It was a hub for entertainment.
890
00:44:04,074 --> 00:44:07,143
The Pekin Theater,
it was very prestigious.
891
00:44:07,144 --> 00:44:09,078
It offered Black people
in Montgomery
892
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:11,347
an experience to go
to the theater.
893
00:44:11,348 --> 00:44:15,351
It has an orchestra pit,
it's a really top-rate theater.
894
00:44:15,352 --> 00:44:17,086
And then, of course,
the drug stores,
895
00:44:17,087 --> 00:44:18,955
which were really central.
896
00:44:18,956 --> 00:44:23,192
Dean's Drug Store was
a communication hub also.
897
00:44:23,193 --> 00:44:25,161
Everybody knows where it is.
898
00:44:25,162 --> 00:44:28,297
People went to that drug store
to find out what was happening.
899
00:44:28,298 --> 00:44:31,334
The types of materials that
Bill Traylor would have found
900
00:44:31,335 --> 00:44:34,137
would have been consistent
with Black businesses
901
00:44:34,138 --> 00:44:35,905
trying to reach the most people,
902
00:44:35,906 --> 00:44:38,307
and you could do that
at these drug stores.
903
00:44:38,308 --> 00:44:42,278
The Black business class
had a vested interest
904
00:44:42,279 --> 00:44:44,914
in working with,
and being seen as working with,
905
00:44:44,915 --> 00:44:47,283
and being responsive
to the Black community.
906
00:44:47,284 --> 00:44:51,788
So Traylor would have benefitted
from that type of largesse.
907
00:44:51,789 --> 00:44:53,456
It seems like
the whole neighborhood,
908
00:44:53,457 --> 00:44:56,359
Black merchants and white,
took care of Bill.
909
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,295
The Jewish grocer next
to where he sat gave him food;
910
00:44:59,296 --> 00:45:02,699
they fed him and let him wash
up in the back of the store.
911
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,268
The owner's son Nace used
to bring him sandwiches
912
00:45:05,269 --> 00:45:07,870
when he'd be out there
smoking his pipe and drawing
913
00:45:07,871 --> 00:45:09,405
late into the night.
914
00:45:09,406 --> 00:45:11,774
And many of the local merchants
had this thing going
915
00:45:11,775 --> 00:45:13,443
where they'd put up indigents
overnight
916
00:45:13,444 --> 00:45:15,278
in their businesses and shops.
917
00:45:15,279 --> 00:45:18,748
Bill slept in the coffin room
of Ross Clayton Funeral Home
918
00:45:18,749 --> 00:45:20,917
for so long,
that was where the government
919
00:45:20,918 --> 00:45:22,452
would send his relief checks.
920
00:45:22,453 --> 00:45:26,289
Fifteen dollars a month,
I think it was.
921
00:45:26,290 --> 00:45:29,459
It seems like everyone in
the neighborhood liked Bill.
922
00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:30,960
Not everyone.
923
00:45:30,961 --> 00:45:33,830
For over a generation now,
American Blacks
924
00:45:33,831 --> 00:45:36,899
were trying to unite and define
themselves as people,
925
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:41,337
the key words being
"define themselves."
926
00:45:41,338 --> 00:45:43,940
Urban Blacks, North and South,
927
00:45:43,941 --> 00:45:47,510
were on a crusade to get
as far away as possible
928
00:45:47,511 --> 00:45:51,848
from the racist stereotype
that Blacks, by definition,
929
00:45:51,849 --> 00:45:55,785
were shiftless, lazy,
immoral and dirty,
930
00:45:55,786 --> 00:45:57,787
and here was Bill Traylor,
931
00:45:57,788 --> 00:46:00,890
sitting there
as unapologetic as you please,
932
00:46:00,891 --> 00:46:02,358
representing everything
933
00:46:02,359 --> 00:46:05,194
the nascent Black middle class
despised.
934
00:46:05,195 --> 00:46:08,131
You can see it in the faces
of the women who saw him
935
00:46:08,132 --> 00:46:10,533
as they passed by.
936
00:46:10,534 --> 00:46:15,004
But sit there he did,
reimagining iconic symbols
937
00:46:15,005 --> 00:46:17,774
of white power
and cultural supremacy
938
00:46:17,775 --> 00:46:20,977
alive in the built environment
of Montgomery.
939
00:46:20,978 --> 00:46:24,881
And what better monument
to use over and again
940
00:46:24,882 --> 00:46:28,284
than Montgomery's Greek Revival
Court Square Fountain,
941
00:46:28,285 --> 00:46:30,820
topped with a statue of Hebe,
942
00:46:30,821 --> 00:46:34,056
the cupbearer to the gods
and goddesses of eternal youth,
943
00:46:34,057 --> 00:46:36,259
and festooned
with classical cherubs
944
00:46:36,260 --> 00:46:38,294
and elegant regal birds.
945
00:47:27,244 --> 00:47:31,147
What makes Bill Traylor key
for a lot of people
946
00:47:31,148 --> 00:47:34,050
is his moniker
of "the primitive."
947
00:47:36,253 --> 00:47:37,620
During the Harlem Renaissance,
948
00:47:37,621 --> 00:47:39,956
we have
academically trained artists
949
00:47:39,957 --> 00:47:44,227
who have gone to art schools
and have studied in Paris.
950
00:47:44,228 --> 00:47:46,429
But the only way
that their works
951
00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:49,498
can be embraced by the critics
952
00:47:49,499 --> 00:47:53,169
is that if the critics
see something
953
00:47:53,170 --> 00:47:56,539
that comes from the soil,
that is vernacular,
954
00:47:56,540 --> 00:47:57,640
that is primitive.
955
00:47:57,641 --> 00:48:00,042
And many artists play
with this idea
956
00:48:00,043 --> 00:48:03,279
who recognize the power
and the potential
957
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,183
of an aesthetic sensibility
that is not from the academy,
958
00:48:07,184 --> 00:48:12,655
but comes from the blues,
that comes from folk life.
959
00:48:12,656 --> 00:48:14,123
During that time,
960
00:48:14,124 --> 00:48:16,225
a group of like-minded friends
and artists
961
00:48:16,226 --> 00:48:19,328
rented a meeting place
and called it The New South.
962
00:48:19,329 --> 00:48:21,297
They were definitely
taking a cue
963
00:48:21,298 --> 00:48:22,965
from the Harlem Renaissance,
964
00:48:22,966 --> 00:48:25,902
looking at African American art
and culture
965
00:48:25,903 --> 00:48:30,006
as this really powerful thing
that should be celebrated
966
00:48:30,007 --> 00:48:33,175
and looked at
and was valid in its own right.
967
00:48:33,176 --> 00:48:35,645
It was a third-floor space
in a downtown building
968
00:48:35,646 --> 00:48:37,346
consisting of a few rooms
969
00:48:37,347 --> 00:48:40,082
originally used
for cotton sampling.
970
00:48:40,083 --> 00:48:43,352
I t was here that we hung
Bill Traylor's first show.
971
00:48:43,353 --> 00:48:45,288
We showed maybe
a hundred pieces,
972
00:48:45,289 --> 00:48:47,356
and on the cardboard cover
of the catalogue,
973
00:48:47,357 --> 00:48:49,191
we used
a silk-screen reproduction
974
00:48:49,192 --> 00:48:51,494
of Bill's drawing
"The Sea Cow."
975
00:48:51,495 --> 00:48:53,629
The inside pages
of brown wrapping paper
976
00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:57,099
contained a short essay
and linoleum block-prints
977
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:59,135
of two more Traylor drawings.
978
00:48:59,136 --> 00:49:02,305
I never felt Charles Shannon
spoke for Bill Traylor.
979
00:49:02,306 --> 00:49:06,342
The only thing that I might say
was speaking for Bill Traylor
980
00:49:06,343 --> 00:49:09,211
was the comment
that they had put together
981
00:49:09,212 --> 00:49:10,713
the exhibition in The New South,
982
00:49:10,714 --> 00:49:12,682
and that Bill Traylor
983
00:49:12,683 --> 00:49:14,350
didn't recognize his own work
984
00:49:14,351 --> 00:49:15,584
being hung on the wall.
985
00:49:15,585 --> 00:49:17,453
I took it at the time as meaning
986
00:49:17,454 --> 00:49:20,389
now that it was
formally presented,
987
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:23,059
some of the life
had been removed from the work,
988
00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:25,461
not that he didn't really
recognize his own work.
989
00:49:25,462 --> 00:49:28,597
It came up and went down
within the span of a month.
990
00:49:28,598 --> 00:49:32,034
But people took photographs
991
00:49:32,035 --> 00:49:33,736
and documented
a lot of the works
992
00:49:33,737 --> 00:49:36,739
that were made
within that first year
993
00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:38,441
that we know he was working.
994
00:49:38,442 --> 00:49:42,278
And so it provides
a very valuable sort of lens
995
00:49:42,279 --> 00:49:45,614
into what he was doing at
a very specific moment in time.
996
00:49:45,615 --> 00:49:47,416
A newspaper wrote
a little something,
997
00:49:47,417 --> 00:49:50,586
but nobody bought anything
and few people came.
998
00:49:50,587 --> 00:49:52,989
So I decided to travel
to New York
999
00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:55,324
to see if I could find someone
to take care
1000
00:49:55,325 --> 00:49:57,351
and protect Bill's work.
1001
00:50:00,464 --> 00:50:03,466
Before I left on my trip
to New York in 1941,
1002
00:50:03,467 --> 00:50:06,402
we took up a collection so Bill
could get off the street
1003
00:50:06,403 --> 00:50:08,771
and visit family.
1004
00:50:08,772 --> 00:50:11,340
He headed north to visit
his daughter Easter
1005
00:50:11,341 --> 00:50:14,043
in the Black Bottom section
of Detroit.
1006
00:50:14,044 --> 00:50:15,444
Eighty-six years old
1007
00:50:15,445 --> 00:50:18,047
and Bill Traylor
had spent his whole life
1008
00:50:18,048 --> 00:50:21,117
in a 40-mile radius
of Montgomery.
1009
00:50:21,118 --> 00:50:23,052
He was now joining the migration
1010
00:50:23,053 --> 00:50:26,389
that he had resisted
for a lifetime.
1011
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:29,358
I carried a large group
of Traylor drawings to New York
1012
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:31,594
to show to friends,
one of whom directed me
1013
00:50:31,595 --> 00:50:33,796
to a man employed at the MoMA.
1014
00:50:33,797 --> 00:50:36,232
The man was interested
in the work.
1015
00:50:36,233 --> 00:50:38,234
Later, Alfred Barr and his staff
1016
00:50:38,235 --> 00:50:39,602
were shown the drawings.
1017
00:50:39,603 --> 00:50:42,405
But the truth is,
no one was seeing the genius
1018
00:50:42,406 --> 00:50:45,074
in Bill Traylor
that I witnessed.
1019
00:50:45,075 --> 00:50:46,609
Without ever consulting me
1020
00:50:46,610 --> 00:50:49,478
as to whether or not
I wanted to sell the work,
1021
00:50:49,479 --> 00:50:51,614
or if so, at what prices,
1022
00:50:51,615 --> 00:50:54,383
I simply received a check
with a letter telling me
1023
00:50:54,384 --> 00:50:56,752
that Mr. Barr and staff
had agreed to pay
1024
00:50:56,753 --> 00:50:59,321
$2 a piece
for the larger drawings
1025
00:50:59,322 --> 00:51:01,791
and $1 for the smaller ones.
1026
00:51:01,792 --> 00:51:04,560
"Hope this meets
your approval."
1027
00:51:04,561 --> 00:51:06,796
Taken aback,
I returned the check
1028
00:51:06,797 --> 00:51:09,799
and demanded immediate return
of my drawings.
1029
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,735
The work remained in storage
till the mid-'70s.
1030
00:51:12,736 --> 00:51:15,771
I didn't get any sense
that Shannon
1031
00:51:15,772 --> 00:51:18,674
was upset by the dollars,
1032
00:51:18,675 --> 00:51:22,244
it was that he had brought
the work in for review,
1033
00:51:22,245 --> 00:51:25,581
and rather than getting
a review, he was getting money.
1034
00:51:25,582 --> 00:51:27,249
When I got back to Montgomery,
1035
00:51:27,250 --> 00:51:29,552
I found that Bill
had returned also.
1036
00:51:29,553 --> 00:51:31,420
I never thought
I'd see him again,
1037
00:51:31,421 --> 00:51:34,290
but there he was
in his usual spot.
1038
00:51:34,291 --> 00:51:36,092
Said he hated the trip.
1039
00:51:36,093 --> 00:51:41,197
The bus driver wouldn't stop
to let him use the bathroom.
1040
00:51:41,198 --> 00:51:45,634
And then, the war came.
1041
00:51:45,635 --> 00:51:50,339
I was drafted in the summer
of '42 and duty called.
1042
00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:52,675
Bill left Montgomery
at the same time
1043
00:51:52,676 --> 00:51:54,743
and went north to visit family.
1044
00:51:54,744 --> 00:51:58,340
As he had before, Traylor
soon returned to Montgomery.
1045
00:52:00,283 --> 00:52:02,451
And when Shannon
went into the service,
1046
00:52:02,452 --> 00:52:05,616
his wife Blanche went to buy
pictures from Traylor.
1047
00:52:07,891 --> 00:52:09,692
Meanwhile the war brought
1048
00:52:09,693 --> 00:52:11,894
the defense industry
to Montgomery.
1049
00:52:11,895 --> 00:52:16,365
The face and skyline
of the city changed.
1050
00:52:16,366 --> 00:52:18,601
Charles Shannon
was back in New York,
1051
00:52:18,602 --> 00:52:20,703
where he spent
the final years of the war
1052
00:52:20,704 --> 00:52:24,707
as a picture editor for
the Army Information Division.
1053
00:52:24,708 --> 00:52:26,642
He returned to Montgomery
for good.
1054
00:52:26,643 --> 00:52:31,380
And in 1946, after four years,
Shannon sees Traylor again,
1055
00:52:31,381 --> 00:52:33,716
but they do not stay in touch.
1056
00:52:33,717 --> 00:52:36,252
Now back in Montgomery for good,
1057
00:52:36,253 --> 00:52:39,288
Traylor undergoes surgery
a second time,
1058
00:52:39,289 --> 00:52:42,224
to amputate his left leg.
1059
00:52:42,225 --> 00:52:44,393
A lot of Black folk
didn't leave.
1060
00:52:44,394 --> 00:52:46,395
A lot of Black folk stayed
1061
00:52:46,396 --> 00:52:48,564
in their communities,
in the South.
1062
00:52:48,565 --> 00:52:51,267
Bill Traylor seems to be
one of those people
1063
00:52:51,268 --> 00:52:55,538
for whom Montgomery and Alabama
was kind of his place,
1064
00:52:55,539 --> 00:52:59,375
was his land, was his turf,
you know.
1065
00:52:59,376 --> 00:53:01,477
During the war,
the government discovered
1066
00:53:01,478 --> 00:53:03,746
that Bill had family
to care for him
1067
00:53:03,747 --> 00:53:06,215
and they threatened
to cut off his relief money
1068
00:53:06,216 --> 00:53:08,484
unless he got off the streets.
1069
00:53:08,485 --> 00:53:10,686
That's when Bill moved in
with his daughter,
1070
00:53:10,687 --> 00:53:13,656
Sarah Traylor Howard,
and her husband.
1071
00:53:13,657 --> 00:53:16,225
I knew Bill had relatives
up north in Detroit
1072
00:53:16,226 --> 00:53:18,360
and other places,
but he never mentioned
1073
00:53:18,361 --> 00:53:20,496
any family in Montgomery.
1074
00:53:20,497 --> 00:53:23,666
My name is Frank L. Harrison,
Bill Traylor's great-grandson.
1075
00:53:23,667 --> 00:53:26,402
My name is
Antoinette Staffney Beeks,
1076
00:53:26,403 --> 00:53:31,607
and I am the daughter
of Myrtha Lee Traylor Delks,
1077
00:53:31,608 --> 00:53:35,244
and she is the granddaughter
of Bill Traylor.
1078
00:53:35,245 --> 00:53:38,247
My name is Myrtha Delks.
1079
00:53:38,248 --> 00:53:40,683
My children call me Muhdear.
1080
00:53:40,684 --> 00:53:43,485
Willie Traylor was my father.
1081
00:53:43,486 --> 00:53:46,755
When I was born,
my father didn't think I was his
1082
00:53:46,756 --> 00:53:49,892
and they gave me up
for adoption.
1083
00:53:49,893 --> 00:53:51,760
It doesn't hurt,
1084
00:53:51,761 --> 00:53:54,253
but it's just something
that happened.
1085
00:53:56,967 --> 00:53:59,635
I'm Nettie Jean Trayler-Alford.
1086
00:53:59,636 --> 00:54:02,504
I'm the great-granddaughter
of Bill Traylor.
1087
00:54:02,505 --> 00:54:05,841
My father was the grandson
of Bill Traylor.
1088
00:54:05,842 --> 00:54:08,344
Clement Traylor was my father.
1089
00:54:08,345 --> 00:54:10,446
Starlene Trayler Williams.
1090
00:54:10,447 --> 00:54:14,283
I am the great-granddaughter
of Bill Traylor.
1091
00:54:14,284 --> 00:54:17,519
In Philadelphia, as a young boy,
you know, being a boy,
1092
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,622
my grandmother would threaten me
1093
00:54:19,623 --> 00:54:22,758
with putting me in what
she called the "owl closet."
1094
00:54:22,759 --> 00:54:25,661
In that closet
was Bill Traylor's artwork.
1095
00:54:25,662 --> 00:54:28,330
They had it up on a top shelf.
1096
00:54:28,331 --> 00:54:32,268
I never saw an owl,
a painting of an owl,
1097
00:54:32,269 --> 00:54:34,270
but I do remember a pig.
1098
00:54:34,271 --> 00:54:36,939
Eight years old,
having to look up,
1099
00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:40,676
already in a frame of mind,
1100
00:54:40,677 --> 00:54:42,444
I don't really want
to go in here.
1101
00:54:42,445 --> 00:54:44,747
So you know...
1102
00:54:44,748 --> 00:54:47,016
Well, I'm... 69.
1103
00:54:47,017 --> 00:54:49,485
But I was a young kid,
but I remember,
1104
00:54:49,486 --> 00:54:51,654
a lot of times
we were over there,
1105
00:54:51,655 --> 00:54:54,723
and I used to draw
on the back of his pictures,
1106
00:54:54,724 --> 00:54:56,792
playing tic tac toe.
1107
00:54:56,793 --> 00:55:00,929
I didn't know that they were
going to be famous paintings.
1108
00:55:00,930 --> 00:55:02,762
We thought it was scratch paper.
1109
00:55:05,035 --> 00:55:08,537
This is quite nice because you
see his use of the brush here.
1110
00:55:08,538 --> 00:55:10,939
The purchasing of images
by Blanche left Shannon
1111
00:55:10,940 --> 00:55:14,443
with a large collection
of Bill Traylor's work.
1112
00:55:14,444 --> 00:55:16,745
I imagine...
1113
00:55:16,746 --> 00:55:20,649
In 1992,
at a Traylor family reunion,
1114
00:55:20,650 --> 00:55:24,453
his relatives, many hearing
about Bill for the first time,
1115
00:55:24,454 --> 00:55:26,650
showed an interest in owning
some of the work.
1116
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:43,572
This led to a lawsuit
and eventually a settlement
1117
00:55:43,573 --> 00:55:46,509
was made to provide drawings
to the family.
1118
00:56:14,571 --> 00:56:17,700
Bill Traylor: His Art, His Life.
1119
00:56:19,709 --> 00:56:22,845
When I was 1 7,
I decided I was gonna go
1120
00:56:22,846 --> 00:56:25,839
and find my family
in Montgomery.
1121
00:56:27,851 --> 00:56:32,087
I found out that my grandfather
was still alive
1122
00:56:32,088 --> 00:56:35,424
and that was Bill Traylor.
1123
00:56:35,425 --> 00:56:39,728
I met him for the first time,
he was wearing a hat.
1124
00:56:39,729 --> 00:56:42,030
He was sitting out there
all day,
1125
00:56:42,031 --> 00:56:45,092
and he was in Aunt Sarah's
backyard.
1126
00:56:47,036 --> 00:56:49,437
That's the way I met him.
1127
00:56:51,741 --> 00:56:54,410
My mother said that when she
would go to Aunt Easter's house,
1128
00:56:54,411 --> 00:56:57,613
several of his drawings would be
tacked on the wall with a nail.
1129
00:56:57,614 --> 00:57:00,416
And she said she asked
her several times,
1130
00:57:00,417 --> 00:57:04,019
"What child drew these pictures?
What kid?"
1131
00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:06,855
And she said Aunt Easter
got very, very, very upset
1132
00:57:06,856 --> 00:57:09,825
with her and said, "Look, those
are the pictures my daddy drew."
1133
00:57:09,826 --> 00:57:14,596
I was working for the IRS
at the Detroit computing center.
1134
00:57:14,597 --> 00:57:18,500
And a co-worker brought
a newspaper clipping in
1135
00:57:18,501 --> 00:57:20,002
and she asked me,
"Well, Nettie,"
1136
00:57:20,003 --> 00:57:21,637
by my last name being Trayler,
1137
00:57:21,638 --> 00:57:23,972
even though we spell ours
with the "e"
1138
00:57:23,973 --> 00:57:26,108
as opposed to the "o,"
1139
00:57:26,109 --> 00:57:27,876
"Are you any relation
to this guy?"
1140
00:57:27,877 --> 00:57:29,545
So she made a photocopy
1141
00:57:29,546 --> 00:57:31,180
and gave it to me
and I took it home.
1142
00:57:31,181 --> 00:57:33,015
Well, Uncle Bubba
was living in the house
1143
00:57:33,016 --> 00:57:36,018
with my mother
and my father and us,
1144
00:57:36,019 --> 00:57:37,186
and I asked him, I said,
1145
00:57:37,187 --> 00:57:39,521
"Uncle Bubba, do you know
who this man is?
1146
00:57:39,522 --> 00:57:40,756
Everybody's asking about him."
1147
00:57:40,757 --> 00:57:42,991
He said, "Yeah,
that was my daddy."
1148
00:57:42,992 --> 00:57:44,893
And that was all he said.
1149
00:57:48,932 --> 00:57:50,566
Bill didn't stay with Sarah long
1150
00:57:50,567 --> 00:57:53,669
before he headed up north
a third and final time,
1151
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:55,671
back to Easter's boarding house.
1152
00:57:55,672 --> 00:57:58,740
He visited children
in Detroit, Chicago,
1153
00:57:58,741 --> 00:58:00,742
New York, Philadelphia,
1154
00:58:00,743 --> 00:58:03,645
and Washington D.C.
during these years.
1155
00:58:03,646 --> 00:58:07,049
After losing a foot
and then his leg to gangrene,
1156
00:58:07,050 --> 00:58:08,817
Traylor moved back to Montgomery
1157
00:58:08,818 --> 00:58:10,819
to live once again
with his daughter,
1158
00:58:10,820 --> 00:58:12,988
Sarah Traylor Howard.
1159
00:58:12,989 --> 00:58:14,890
Soon after I came back
from the war,
1160
00:58:14,891 --> 00:58:16,558
I went to visit him
on Bragg Street
1161
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:19,828
where I found him sitting under
a big tree in the backyard.
1162
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:21,597
He had drawing materials
beside him
1163
00:58:21,598 --> 00:58:23,899
but nothing much was happening.
1164
00:58:23,900 --> 00:58:26,168
I remember when
they took his leg off.
1165
00:58:26,169 --> 00:58:28,804
He cried every day.
1166
00:58:28,805 --> 00:58:30,606
When his leg was healed,
1167
00:58:30,607 --> 00:58:33,542
he went back
to his drawing board.
1168
00:58:33,543 --> 00:58:37,012
He drew all kinds of animals
and men and such.
1169
00:58:39,649 --> 00:58:41,583
I didn't save
any of the work he did
1170
00:58:41,584 --> 00:58:44,152
after he returned from up north.
1171
00:58:44,153 --> 00:58:48,557
Clearly, Traylor's best work
was behind him.
1172
00:58:48,558 --> 00:58:51,860
It's a shame, but so much of
Bill Traylor's work is gone.
1173
00:58:51,861 --> 00:58:53,896
Even when folks saw
his drawings and tried
1174
00:58:53,897 --> 00:58:57,132
to save them, even then,
much of it was lost,
1175
00:58:57,133 --> 00:58:59,768
probably because of the
fragility of the materials
1176
00:58:59,769 --> 00:59:02,004
Bill liked to work with.
1177
00:59:02,005 --> 00:59:04,139
Makes what we do have
so precious,
1178
00:59:04,140 --> 00:59:07,809
especially as that old world
dies away.
1179
00:59:07,810 --> 00:59:10,212
When we think about
the many, many mules
1180
00:59:10,213 --> 00:59:12,180
and horses that Traylor drew,
1181
00:59:12,181 --> 00:59:15,083
I return time and time again
thinking about one
1182
00:59:15,084 --> 00:59:17,986
where his remark
about the picture was,
1183
00:59:17,987 --> 00:59:20,956
"Turned him out
in the pasture to die."
1184
00:59:20,957 --> 00:59:24,326
I think it would be
overly simplistic
1185
00:59:24,327 --> 00:59:28,196
to understand that
simply as a mule
1186
00:59:28,197 --> 00:59:30,723
and not as a greater metaphor
for something.
1187
00:59:32,335 --> 00:59:33,902
He is Chasing Ghosts.
1188
00:59:33,903 --> 00:59:36,138
He's trying to
quantify that life
1189
00:59:36,139 --> 00:59:38,340
and give meaning to it
and also look ahead
1190
00:59:38,341 --> 00:59:43,712
at what's coming
and be celebratory of that,
1191
00:59:43,713 --> 00:59:46,114
and also understand that
1192
00:59:46,115 --> 00:59:47,777
he won't be a part of it.
1193
00:59:53,723 --> 00:59:56,658
It's because you are young.
1194
00:59:56,659 --> 00:59:59,227
You do not understand.
1195
00:59:59,228 --> 01:00:03,799
But we are old
as the jungle trees
1196
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,368
that bloomed forever,
1197
01:00:06,369 --> 01:00:08,770
old as the forgotten rivers
1198
01:00:08,771 --> 01:00:11,673
that flowed into the earth.
1199
01:00:11,674 --> 01:00:16,211
Surely we know
what you do not know;
1200
01:00:16,212 --> 01:00:18,647
Joy of living,
1201
01:00:18,648 --> 01:00:21,249
useless of things.
1202
01:00:21,250 --> 01:00:25,244
You are too young
to understand yet.
1203
01:00:26,956 --> 01:00:31,093
Build another skyscraper
touching the stars.
1204
01:00:31,094 --> 01:00:34,963
We sit with our backs
against the tree
1205
01:00:34,964 --> 01:00:38,333
and watch skyscrapers tumble
1206
01:00:38,334 --> 01:00:42,204
and stars forget.
1207
01:00:42,205 --> 01:00:44,706
Solomon built a temple
1208
01:00:44,707 --> 01:00:46,375
and it must have fallen down.
1209
01:00:46,376 --> 01:00:49,277
It isn't here now.
1210
01:00:49,278 --> 01:00:53,882
We know some things, being old.
1211
01:00:53,883 --> 01:00:57,853
You do not understand.
1212
01:00:57,854 --> 01:01:01,023
I still have the letter
he had someone write to me.
1213
01:01:01,024 --> 01:01:03,058
"Dear Sir,
I am asking you to come"
1214
01:01:03,059 --> 01:01:04,893
to the Fraternal Hospital,
1215
01:01:04,894 --> 01:01:07,663
42 Dorsey Street, Montgomery.
1216
01:01:07,664 --> 01:01:09,431
I want to see you at once.
1217
01:01:09,432 --> 01:01:13,301
"Yours truly, Bill Traylor."
1218
01:01:13,302 --> 01:01:15,904
The place was a large
two-story house
1219
01:01:15,905 --> 01:01:17,973
with a wide hall
down the middle,
1220
01:01:17,974 --> 01:01:20,275
rooms off to each side.
1221
01:01:20,276 --> 01:01:23,378
I went down the hall and it was
the last room on the left,
1222
01:01:23,379 --> 01:01:27,249
a very big room, like a ward
with cots lined up.
1223
01:01:27,250 --> 01:01:30,852
There must have been a dozen
other people in the room.
1224
01:01:30,853 --> 01:01:33,021
It was an awful place.
1225
01:01:33,022 --> 01:01:35,157
Bill could hardly talk.
1226
01:01:35,158 --> 01:01:37,025
I remember kneeling down
beside him
1227
01:01:37,026 --> 01:01:39,761
and he could barely speak.
1228
01:01:39,762 --> 01:01:43,198
I can't even remember now
what was said.
1229
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,300
That was the last time
I saw him.
1230
01:01:45,301 --> 01:01:47,836
A few days later
I got a letter from Sarah
1231
01:01:47,837 --> 01:01:50,372
saying that Bill had died
and would I please pay her
1232
01:01:50,373 --> 01:01:52,708
the $25 I was holding for Bill
1233
01:01:52,709 --> 01:01:55,977
from a drawing of his
I sold to a man in Chicago.
1234
01:01:58,915 --> 01:02:00,449
But Bill hadn't died.
1235
01:02:00,450 --> 01:02:03,752
He lived on another two years.
1236
01:02:03,753 --> 01:02:06,054
He died at Oak Street Hospital.
1237
01:02:06,055 --> 01:02:08,156
He was buried
in an unmarked grave
1238
01:02:08,157 --> 01:02:12,260
near where his daughter Sarah
would eventually be buried.
1239
01:02:12,261 --> 01:02:15,997
In 1966,
when Easter died in Detroit,
1240
01:02:15,998 --> 01:02:18,100
the family found a trove
of drawings
1241
01:02:18,101 --> 01:02:19,835
Bill had done up there.
1242
01:02:19,836 --> 01:02:22,137
Sarah immediately went up
1243
01:02:22,138 --> 01:02:24,372
and brought all the work
back with her.
1244
01:02:24,373 --> 01:02:27,109
When Sarah died in 1974,
1245
01:02:27,110 --> 01:02:29,211
no one claimed
any of her possessions,
1246
01:02:29,212 --> 01:02:32,080
and the realtor
threw all of her belongings,
1247
01:02:32,081 --> 01:02:34,416
including all of Traylor's work,
1248
01:02:34,417 --> 01:02:36,918
into the trash.
1249
01:02:36,919 --> 01:02:39,788
The only time
that I can remember,
1250
01:02:39,789 --> 01:02:43,024
vividly, actually coming
to Montgomery,
1251
01:02:43,025 --> 01:02:44,326
was for the burial
1252
01:02:44,327 --> 01:02:46,928
of my great-grandfather
Bill Traylor.
1253
01:03:03,913 --> 01:03:09,785
I vaguely remember
that the grave-site,
1254
01:03:09,786 --> 01:03:13,822
there were no graves behind me.
1255
01:03:13,823 --> 01:03:15,524
It would be like here, here,
1256
01:03:15,525 --> 01:03:19,087
it would have been on the edge.
1257
01:03:21,397 --> 01:03:24,094
Certainly there was
nothing beside it.
1258
01:03:25,935 --> 01:03:29,538
My real remembrance
1259
01:03:29,539 --> 01:03:32,908
is physically standing
at the grave-site
1260
01:03:32,909 --> 01:03:36,511
with my grandmother
and other people.
1261
01:03:36,512 --> 01:03:38,879
And...
1262
01:03:42,385 --> 01:03:47,055
I would have been right in here.
1263
01:03:47,056 --> 01:03:50,458
Big Ma would have been
about here.
1264
01:03:50,459 --> 01:03:52,994
And it was comical in a sense,
1265
01:03:52,995 --> 01:03:55,831
but very frightening,
1266
01:03:55,832 --> 01:03:59,030
because she lunged toward it.
1267
01:04:01,904 --> 01:04:03,038
Yeah.
1268
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:04,206
She was very emotional.
1269
01:04:04,207 --> 01:04:05,540
Yeah.
1270
01:04:05,541 --> 01:04:08,210
Well, she just wanted
to go with him.
1271
01:04:08,211 --> 01:04:09,845
She was very frightened.
1272
01:04:09,846 --> 01:04:14,616
And it frightened me
because what she said is,
1273
01:04:14,617 --> 01:04:17,118
"Papa, I want to go."
1274
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:18,353
And that scared me.
1275
01:04:18,354 --> 01:04:22,390
Long time ago,
I remember standing here.
1276
01:04:24,460 --> 01:04:26,394
There's no question.
1277
01:04:30,533 --> 01:04:32,901
Wow.
1278
01:04:32,902 --> 01:04:35,337
After Bill Traylor passed,
1279
01:04:35,338 --> 01:04:38,640
and before my grandmother
Lillian died,
1280
01:04:38,641 --> 01:04:40,876
it's something
that she had just said,
1281
01:04:40,877 --> 01:04:44,079
"Buddy, you know this
was your great-grandfather's.
1282
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,480
Why don't you keep it?"
1283
01:04:45,481 --> 01:04:47,415
And I said,
"Big Ma, what is this?"
1284
01:04:47,416 --> 01:04:49,451
And she said,
"Well, it's a pipe holder."
1285
01:04:49,452 --> 01:04:50,952
And I said, "A pipe holder?"
1286
01:04:50,953 --> 01:04:54,222
I didn't smoke, you know,
so I didn't realize.
1287
01:04:54,223 --> 01:04:56,558
I've had it for decades
1288
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:59,628
and it's, you know,
1289
01:04:59,629 --> 01:05:02,664
the same patina is in there.
1290
01:05:02,665 --> 01:05:05,133
You know.
1291
01:05:05,134 --> 01:05:07,602
He's pretty cute.
1292
01:05:07,603 --> 01:05:10,672
I'd like to have his paint
brushes, you know.
1293
01:05:10,673 --> 01:05:13,174
I'd like to have his boots.
1294
01:05:14,977 --> 01:05:18,079
You know, yeah, yeah.
1295
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,616
But this I'll keep
in the family.
1296
01:05:21,617 --> 01:05:24,644
Yeah, yeah, this is great.
1297
01:05:26,656 --> 01:05:32,060
I don't mind waiting
1298
01:05:32,061 --> 01:05:38,233
I don't mind waiting
1299
01:05:38,234 --> 01:05:40,702
Bill Traylor came
to art-making on his own
1300
01:05:40,703 --> 01:05:43,471
and he found his creative voice
without guidance.
1301
01:05:43,472 --> 01:05:46,207
On you, Lord
1302
01:05:46,208 --> 01:05:51,046
His existence was divided almost
equally between two centuries.
1303
01:05:51,047 --> 01:05:54,282
The family he was born into
was enslaved,
1304
01:05:54,283 --> 01:05:57,519
and his life thereafter
spanned multiple worlds:
1305
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,221
Black and white,
rural and urban,
1306
01:06:00,222 --> 01:06:02,524
old and new,
as well as the crucibles
1307
01:06:02,525 --> 01:06:04,960
that indelibly shaped America.
1308
01:06:04,961 --> 01:06:07,028
The headstone
that will now mark the place
1309
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:08,730
in which his body
was laid to rest,
1310
01:06:08,731 --> 01:06:10,231
is long overdue,
1311
01:06:10,232 --> 01:06:12,434
but from here forward,
will honor him
1312
01:06:12,435 --> 01:06:15,236
as an important part of both
Alabamian
1313
01:06:15,237 --> 01:06:17,038
and American history.
1314
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:19,240
It is not an overstatement
to say
1315
01:06:19,241 --> 01:06:21,977
that Bill Traylor
was an American original
1316
01:06:21,978 --> 01:06:24,212
and that his body of artwork
that he left behind
1317
01:06:24,213 --> 01:06:25,347
is an American treasure.
1318
01:06:25,348 --> 01:06:27,015
In honor of Bill Traylor,
1319
01:06:27,016 --> 01:06:29,617
and the gift he used
to share invaluable insights
1320
01:06:29,618 --> 01:06:31,386
of his life experiences,
1321
01:06:31,387 --> 01:06:35,357
do hereby proclaim
March 2 7, 2018
1322
01:06:35,358 --> 01:06:39,427
as Bill Traylor Day
in Montgomery, Alabama.
1323
01:06:50,272 --> 01:06:55,110
How great is our God
1324
01:06:55,111 --> 01:07:00,749
Sing with me,
how great is our God
1325
01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:03,218
All will see how great
1326
01:07:03,219 --> 01:07:04,619
What a momentous moment.
1327
01:07:04,620 --> 01:07:07,589
How great is our God
1328
01:07:07,590 --> 01:07:10,191
God's been good,
1329
01:07:10,192 --> 01:07:13,194
that those who once
picked cotton
1330
01:07:13,195 --> 01:07:16,231
were able to pick a president.
1331
01:07:16,232 --> 01:07:20,635
What a befitting moment
for us to be here today,
1332
01:07:20,636 --> 01:07:24,439
to celebrate one who's dead,
1333
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,708
but yet to celebrate his works.
1334
01:07:26,709 --> 01:07:34,709
Let everybody sing
1335
01:07:35,484 --> 01:07:39,087
And so today, we see that
the character of Mr. Traylor,
1336
01:07:39,088 --> 01:07:41,423
though dead so many, many years,
1337
01:07:41,424 --> 01:07:44,359
still lives on.
1338
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,729
It reminds me of what
Henry Longfellow said,
1339
01:07:47,730 --> 01:07:49,764
that when you live this life,
1340
01:07:49,765 --> 01:07:52,767
you, in fact, leave footprints
1341
01:07:52,768 --> 01:07:54,602
on the sand of time.
1342
01:07:54,603 --> 01:07:57,772
Mr. Traylor today
has left a footprint.
1343
01:07:57,773 --> 01:08:01,743
I want to encourage all of us,
because one day,
1344
01:08:01,744 --> 01:08:05,713
one day, it will be you.
1345
01:08:05,714 --> 01:08:08,809
What footprints
will you have left?
1346
01:08:10,586 --> 01:08:14,856
This little light of mine
1347
01:08:14,857 --> 01:08:17,192
I'm gonna let it shine
1348
01:08:17,193 --> 01:08:20,528
This little light of mine
1349
01:08:20,529 --> 01:08:22,530
I'm gonna let it shine
1350
01:08:22,531 --> 01:08:25,767
This little light of mine
1351
01:08:25,768 --> 01:08:27,802
I'm gonna let it shine
1352
01:08:27,803 --> 01:08:30,705
Let it shine, let it shine
1353
01:08:30,706 --> 01:08:34,442
And all along,
there was ol' John de Conquer,
1354
01:08:34,443 --> 01:08:38,146
fighting a mighty battle
without outside showing force
1355
01:08:38,147 --> 01:08:40,715
and winning his war from within.
1356
01:08:40,716 --> 01:08:42,183
Really winning,
1357
01:08:42,184 --> 01:08:45,320
for he was winning
with the soul of the Black man
1358
01:08:45,321 --> 01:08:47,455
whole and free.
1359
01:08:47,456 --> 01:08:50,725
Making a way out of no way.
1360
01:08:50,726 --> 01:08:53,361
Bill Traylor wasn't just
a chronicler
1361
01:08:53,362 --> 01:08:55,697
of some distant time and place,
1362
01:08:55,698 --> 01:08:58,666
he was bearing witness
to a community
1363
01:08:58,667 --> 01:09:01,436
in an ever-changing now.
1364
01:09:01,437 --> 01:09:05,206
And in doing so,
teaching the future.
1365
01:09:05,207 --> 01:09:07,909
Persevere, rejoice,
1366
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:10,879
endure, remember.
1367
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,548
He reached this moment
when he knew
1368
01:09:13,549 --> 01:09:15,817
that he could
put down his story.
1369
01:09:15,818 --> 01:09:17,719
So when you put it all together,
1370
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:22,290
it is this very deep well
of memories.
1371
01:09:22,291 --> 01:09:24,325
It's just a trove.
1372
01:09:24,326 --> 01:09:27,262
What is humanity but a story,
a history,
1373
01:09:27,263 --> 01:09:30,298
about engagement
or disengagement,
1374
01:09:30,299 --> 01:09:31,900
or collision.
1375
01:09:31,901 --> 01:09:34,602
And we get this from his work.
1376
01:09:34,603 --> 01:09:37,272
It doesn't get tired,
it doesn't get old.
1377
01:09:37,273 --> 01:09:39,240
What I see is a very strong man.
1378
01:09:39,241 --> 01:09:43,244
Wow, very strong man,
had to have been.
1379
01:09:43,245 --> 01:09:45,547
He's a major figure,
1380
01:09:45,548 --> 01:09:49,450
and there's nothing
like him really.
1381
01:09:49,451 --> 01:09:51,586
He's getting his reward.
1382
01:09:51,587 --> 01:09:54,389
Now, now, now, now.
1383
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:58,293
And I believe that he knows it.
1384
01:09:58,294 --> 01:10:01,229
He still says what he says,
the way he says it.
1385
01:10:01,230 --> 01:10:05,292
He's like the person who walked
in off the street and...
1386
01:10:07,703 --> 01:10:11,973
...made a nod at you
and walked away.
1387
01:10:11,974 --> 01:10:14,309
I'm gonna let it shine
1388
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:21,808
Let it shine, let it shine,
let it shine
1389
01:11:13,902 --> 01:11:16,371
Going downtown
1390
01:11:16,372 --> 01:11:17,872
I'll be drunk
1391
01:11:17,873 --> 01:11:20,708
Don't like it,
you can move your trunk
1392
01:12:16,065 --> 01:12:18,933
Hey, hey, hey
1393
01:12:18,934 --> 01:12:24,864
Hey, hey
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