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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:49,449 --> 00:00:52,384 I'm the great-granddaughter of Bill Traylor. 2 00:00:52,385 --> 00:00:55,788 My father was the grandson of Bill Traylor. 3 00:00:55,789 --> 00:00:57,723 Clement Traylor was my father. 4 00:00:57,724 --> 00:01:01,293 That's how I got to know Bill Traylor was somebody. 5 00:01:01,294 --> 00:01:03,128 You know, really, really somebody. 6 00:01:03,129 --> 00:01:05,264 Traylor's an inspired visualist. 7 00:01:05,265 --> 00:01:08,734 That's the only way you arrive at work that's that distinct, 8 00:01:08,735 --> 00:01:10,202 that esoteric, 9 00:01:10,203 --> 00:01:12,137 that visually elegant and refined. 10 00:01:12,138 --> 00:01:14,506 I think Traylor is probably the greatest artist 11 00:01:14,507 --> 00:01:15,674 you've never heard of, 12 00:01:15,675 --> 00:01:17,509 but he's getting heard of more and more. 13 00:01:17,510 --> 00:01:21,613 He put down this entire oral history in the language 14 00:01:21,614 --> 00:01:23,348 that was available to him, 15 00:01:23,349 --> 00:01:25,184 which was the language of pictures. 16 00:01:25,185 --> 00:01:26,585 The surrealness of it is that, 17 00:01:26,586 --> 00:01:28,554 in those artworks that he is creating, 18 00:01:28,555 --> 00:01:31,190 he is engaging with issues around class, 19 00:01:31,191 --> 00:01:33,725 how we behave and how we treat one another, 20 00:01:33,726 --> 00:01:35,494 sometimes good and sometimes not so good, 21 00:01:35,495 --> 00:01:36,728 often not so good. 22 00:01:36,729 --> 00:01:41,233 I see a very animated, agitated, violent, 23 00:01:41,234 --> 00:01:42,835 mystical realm. 24 00:01:42,836 --> 00:01:44,336 When I see Bill Traylor's work, 25 00:01:44,337 --> 00:01:49,174 I see this yearning for a place that's beyond here, 26 00:01:49,175 --> 00:01:52,611 it's a place that's not-not tangible. 27 00:01:52,612 --> 00:01:55,707 It's almost like someone did something and vanished. 28 00:03:34,781 --> 00:03:37,282 The sign of High John de Conquer 29 00:03:37,283 --> 00:03:38,650 was a laugh, 30 00:03:38,651 --> 00:03:41,620 and his singing-symbol was a drum beat. 31 00:03:41,621 --> 00:03:45,591 No parading drug-shout like soldiers out for show... 32 00:03:45,592 --> 00:03:48,360 It was an inside thing to live by. 33 00:03:48,361 --> 00:03:49,895 And it was sure to be heard 34 00:03:49,896 --> 00:03:52,631 when and where the work was the hardest, 35 00:03:52,632 --> 00:03:55,467 and the lot most cruel. 36 00:03:55,468 --> 00:03:58,270 It helped the slaves endure. 37 00:03:58,271 --> 00:04:00,772 They knew that something better was coming. 38 00:04:00,773 --> 00:04:04,243 So they laughed in the face of things and sang, 39 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:05,777 and the white people who heard them 40 00:04:05,778 --> 00:04:09,281 were struck dumb that they could laugh... 41 00:04:09,282 --> 00:04:11,850 What was Old Cuffy laughing for? 42 00:04:11,851 --> 00:04:16,488 And all that time, there was High John de Conquer, 43 00:04:16,489 --> 00:04:19,524 playing his trick of making a way out of no way. 44 00:04:19,525 --> 00:04:22,527 Hitting a straight lick with a crooked stick. 45 00:04:22,528 --> 00:04:26,624 Winning the jackpot with no other stake but a laugh. 46 00:04:35,575 --> 00:04:38,343 Local art historian Miriam Fowler documents 47 00:04:38,344 --> 00:04:40,379 that Traylor got his blue poster paint 48 00:04:40,380 --> 00:04:42,581 from a white teenage sign painter. 49 00:04:42,582 --> 00:04:44,383 That was Jay Leavell, 50 00:04:44,384 --> 00:04:45,884 a budding artist himself, 51 00:04:45,885 --> 00:04:47,953 and he told his teacher Charles Shannon 52 00:04:47,954 --> 00:04:50,589 about the old Black man drawing on the street corner 53 00:04:50,590 --> 00:04:53,058 in front of the Pekin Pool Hall. 54 00:04:53,059 --> 00:04:56,328 Shannon was a socially conscious Montgomery artist 55 00:04:56,329 --> 00:04:58,730 who went to check Traylor out. 56 00:04:58,731 --> 00:05:01,767 This is how my involvement with Bill Traylor started. 57 00:05:01,768 --> 00:05:03,468 I used to come into town on weekends 58 00:05:03,469 --> 00:05:05,570 to see my family and friends. 59 00:05:05,571 --> 00:05:07,873 Saturday mornings, I'd go down on Monroe Street. 60 00:05:07,874 --> 00:05:09,007 It was Black territory, 61 00:05:09,008 --> 00:05:11,677 a rich and interesting world unto itself, 62 00:05:11,678 --> 00:05:13,879 with my sketch pad. 63 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,013 On one such Saturday, 64 00:05:15,014 --> 00:05:16,982 an old Black man was sitting on a box 65 00:05:16,983 --> 00:05:18,784 on the Monroe Street sidewalk. 66 00:05:18,785 --> 00:05:20,385 When I got close to him, 67 00:05:20,386 --> 00:05:22,387 I could see that he had a small straight edge stick 68 00:05:22,388 --> 00:05:24,723 and was ruling lines with a stub of pencil 69 00:05:24,724 --> 00:05:26,658 on a small piece of cardboard. 70 00:05:26,659 --> 00:05:28,527 It was curious for an old man to be 71 00:05:28,528 --> 00:05:31,897 sitting on the sidewalk drawing in the first place. 72 00:05:31,898 --> 00:05:33,965 I mean, just as a phenomenon, 73 00:05:33,966 --> 00:05:36,768 this was an interesting one. 74 00:05:36,769 --> 00:05:38,704 That was the way it started. 75 00:05:38,705 --> 00:05:41,039 I was the first to discover Traylor. 76 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,943 He was a good artist and pure and self-taught. 77 00:05:44,944 --> 00:05:48,080 He was also a former slave, he was Black. 78 00:05:48,081 --> 00:05:49,981 Perhaps the only other attribute 79 00:05:49,982 --> 00:05:52,784 that could have lent more to his popularity now 80 00:05:52,785 --> 00:05:55,020 is if he were a woman. 81 00:05:55,021 --> 00:05:57,789 I was just simply enjoying him. 82 00:05:57,790 --> 00:06:00,826 I loved the street and the place and all that. 83 00:06:00,827 --> 00:06:02,894 He was part of the fun. 84 00:06:02,895 --> 00:06:06,865 Man, as it went along, it started to... you know, 85 00:06:06,866 --> 00:06:08,900 it began to shape up. 86 00:06:08,901 --> 00:06:12,838 I mean, wait a minute, I think this is awfully good. 87 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,140 He had been around Montgomery for some time. 88 00:06:15,141 --> 00:06:16,608 And when I first met him, 89 00:06:16,609 --> 00:06:18,710 he was drawing very crudely. 90 00:06:18,711 --> 00:06:21,446 He drew on small pieces of scrap paper 91 00:06:21,447 --> 00:06:23,915 and his pictures were raw, simplistic sketches 92 00:06:23,916 --> 00:06:26,551 of animals... dogs, cats, 93 00:06:26,552 --> 00:06:28,153 mainly a single figure. 94 00:06:28,154 --> 00:06:30,789 For example, a rat. 95 00:06:30,790 --> 00:06:34,893 Rats, cups, shoes, all arranged neatly in rows. 96 00:06:34,894 --> 00:06:36,495 In the Blacksmith Shop, 97 00:06:36,496 --> 00:06:38,597 the upward movement that begins with the angular cut 98 00:06:38,598 --> 00:06:40,132 into the bottom of the board 99 00:06:40,133 --> 00:06:42,434 is picked up by the legless man's rockers 100 00:06:42,435 --> 00:06:44,603 and the curving tong, 101 00:06:44,604 --> 00:06:48,573 and swings up into the spinning figures at the end. 102 00:06:48,574 --> 00:06:50,942 The gray patch where the paper is torn from the cardboard 103 00:06:50,943 --> 00:06:54,579 is so perfectly integrated into the design 104 00:06:54,580 --> 00:06:56,648 that it's not perceived as a flaw. 105 00:06:56,649 --> 00:07:00,919 Shannon saw the brilliance of composition, 106 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,587 of textural choices. 107 00:07:02,588 --> 00:07:04,489 And I think he was bowled over 108 00:07:04,490 --> 00:07:07,859 by the fact that Traylor just made the work, 109 00:07:07,860 --> 00:07:09,995 he didn't think the work. 110 00:07:09,996 --> 00:07:11,196 He was enamored with it. 111 00:07:11,197 --> 00:07:12,798 When we think about Charles Shannon's work 112 00:07:12,799 --> 00:07:14,766 in relationship to Bill Traylor, 113 00:07:14,767 --> 00:07:16,768 it seems so divergent. 114 00:07:16,769 --> 00:07:21,006 Charles Shannon paints with oils and on canvas. 115 00:07:21,007 --> 00:07:22,874 He's really rooted in kind of 116 00:07:22,875 --> 00:07:25,510 an academic approach and tradition. 117 00:07:25,511 --> 00:07:26,711 And Bill Traylor's work is some ways 118 00:07:26,712 --> 00:07:28,880 the antithesis of that. 119 00:07:28,881 --> 00:07:31,716 Then came what I called "exciting events," 120 00:07:31,717 --> 00:07:34,553 storytelling pictures such as possum hunts 121 00:07:34,554 --> 00:07:35,921 and drinking bouts. 122 00:07:35,922 --> 00:07:37,956 Soon, I began to bring him art supplies 123 00:07:37,957 --> 00:07:39,724 such as pencils, better cardboard, 124 00:07:39,725 --> 00:07:42,194 full range of poster paints, brushes, 125 00:07:42,195 --> 00:07:44,963 and his work became more abstract: 126 00:07:44,964 --> 00:07:46,164 thatched baskets, 127 00:07:46,165 --> 00:07:47,699 geometric shapes, 128 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:49,734 and more complex compositions, 129 00:07:49,735 --> 00:07:52,637 full of wonderful humor, a sure touch 130 00:07:52,638 --> 00:07:55,507 and a great mastery of his craft. 131 00:07:55,508 --> 00:07:56,975 He sat quietly. 132 00:07:56,976 --> 00:08:00,078 A kind of beautiful simplicity came through, 133 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:02,781 something impersonal, selfless. 134 00:08:02,782 --> 00:08:04,950 "Ancient" is a word that comes to mind. 135 00:08:04,951 --> 00:08:06,852 You think of something ancient. 136 00:08:06,853 --> 00:08:09,087 Like you were looking through the eye of an elephant 137 00:08:09,088 --> 00:08:12,257 and seeing something with a long history to it. 138 00:08:12,258 --> 00:08:14,059 Not just the history of one man, 139 00:08:14,060 --> 00:08:16,528 but of the race or something. 140 00:08:16,529 --> 00:08:19,698 As if you're looking at something almost eternal. 141 00:08:19,699 --> 00:08:22,901 One senses when you look at the work of Bill Traylor, 142 00:08:22,902 --> 00:08:25,670 he's on his own, he's on his own path. 143 00:08:25,671 --> 00:08:28,173 The sources are what's immediately around him 144 00:08:28,174 --> 00:08:30,905 but also what's inside of his head. 145 00:08:34,146 --> 00:08:36,982 I always felt like my studio was church, 146 00:08:36,983 --> 00:08:38,216 you know. 147 00:08:38,217 --> 00:08:40,285 I have all my books. 148 00:08:40,286 --> 00:08:42,020 I have my Bill Traylor books, 149 00:08:42,021 --> 00:08:45,624 and I read and I try to go back, um, 150 00:08:45,625 --> 00:08:46,892 and try to get a sense 151 00:08:46,893 --> 00:08:48,927 of where he may have been coming from. 152 00:08:48,928 --> 00:08:50,896 It's very complicated. 153 00:08:50,897 --> 00:08:53,064 I want to walk 154 00:08:53,065 --> 00:08:54,566 to those places where he once lived. 155 00:08:54,567 --> 00:08:55,867 I want to know those places, 156 00:08:55,868 --> 00:08:57,002 I want to see those things, 157 00:08:57,003 --> 00:08:58,637 'cause I get a better sense. 158 00:08:58,638 --> 00:09:00,772 I mean, it's kind of like 159 00:09:00,773 --> 00:09:03,108 I want to go back to all those past experiences. 160 00:09:26,832 --> 00:09:29,734 Like the dead-seeming cold rocks, 161 00:09:29,735 --> 00:09:31,269 I have memories within 162 00:09:31,270 --> 00:09:35,273 that came out of the material that went to make me. 163 00:09:35,274 --> 00:09:37,842 Time and place have had their say. 164 00:09:37,843 --> 00:09:39,177 So you will have to know something 165 00:09:39,178 --> 00:09:42,047 about the time and place where I came from 166 00:09:42,048 --> 00:09:43,882 in order that you may interpret 167 00:09:43,883 --> 00:09:47,786 the incidents and directions of my life. 168 00:09:47,787 --> 00:09:50,755 Throw me anywhere, Lord 169 00:09:50,756 --> 00:09:52,958 In that ol' field 170 00:09:52,959 --> 00:09:54,826 Throw me anywhere... 171 00:09:54,827 --> 00:09:58,163 Bill Traylor, the fourth son of Sally and Bill Calloway, 172 00:09:58,164 --> 00:10:00,732 was born into slavery in 1853 173 00:10:00,733 --> 00:10:03,768 on a small plantation near Pleasant Hill, 174 00:10:03,769 --> 00:10:07,172 just outside Benton, Alabama, in Dallas County. 175 00:10:07,173 --> 00:10:08,340 At the time of his birth, 176 00:10:08,341 --> 00:10:10,742 he and the 17 others on the farm 177 00:10:10,743 --> 00:10:13,111 were some of three million African Americans 178 00:10:13,112 --> 00:10:14,646 held in bondage 179 00:10:14,647 --> 00:10:17,849 in a nation of about 23 million. 180 00:10:17,850 --> 00:10:20,118 Calloway, Bill Traylor's father, 181 00:10:20,119 --> 00:10:22,354 was a skilled bricklayer and carpenter 182 00:10:22,355 --> 00:10:24,956 who worked with his owner, John G. Traylor, 183 00:10:24,957 --> 00:10:26,758 on constructing the built environments 184 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:29,294 on the plantation, 185 00:10:29,295 --> 00:10:31,363 from the slave quarters, 186 00:10:31,364 --> 00:10:33,064 cotton press, 187 00:10:33,065 --> 00:10:34,099 smokehouses, 188 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:36,301 and outbuildings, 189 00:10:36,302 --> 00:10:38,897 to much of the main house itself. 190 00:10:40,106 --> 00:10:43,074 February 25th, 1848: 191 00:10:43,075 --> 00:10:44,976 Bill plowed new ground today. 192 00:10:44,977 --> 00:10:47,646 March 8: Bill made a horse rack, 193 00:10:47,647 --> 00:10:49,748 cow pen, and stable doors 194 00:10:49,749 --> 00:10:51,182 while George was ditching. 195 00:10:51,183 --> 00:10:53,852 March 22: Bill and me working on the house... 196 00:10:53,853 --> 00:10:55,120 Bill made a chimney. 197 00:10:55,121 --> 00:10:56,655 Hired a Negro boy to pick cotton 198 00:10:56,656 --> 00:10:58,123 while me and Bill worked on the house 199 00:10:58,124 --> 00:11:00,258 and the rest of the hands chopped cotton. 200 00:11:00,259 --> 00:11:02,427 Went preaching; left Bill in charge. 201 00:11:02,428 --> 00:11:03,828 Went hunting with Bill... 202 00:11:03,829 --> 00:11:05,397 went fishing with Bill. 203 00:11:05,398 --> 00:11:08,233 I, John G. Traylor, do hereby make this 204 00:11:08,234 --> 00:11:10,435 my last will and testament. 205 00:11:10,436 --> 00:11:13,138 First, I give and bequeath to my three children 206 00:11:13,139 --> 00:11:14,272 all my property 207 00:11:14,273 --> 00:11:15,940 to be equally divided. 208 00:11:15,941 --> 00:11:17,242 It is my will and desire 209 00:11:17,243 --> 00:11:20,011 that my Negroes named Bill and wife Sally 210 00:11:20,012 --> 00:11:23,148 with their children and with their future increase, 211 00:11:23,149 --> 00:11:24,449 be kept together... 212 00:11:24,450 --> 00:11:28,019 And when he died in 1850, 213 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:30,021 that's the way it happened. 214 00:11:30,022 --> 00:11:31,923 People from outside the South 215 00:11:31,924 --> 00:11:35,927 see slavery and race relations as, no pun intended, 216 00:11:35,928 --> 00:11:37,128 but black and white, 217 00:11:37,129 --> 00:11:39,698 and there's a lot of gray, right? 218 00:11:39,699 --> 00:11:41,866 There's all of these relationships 219 00:11:41,867 --> 00:11:44,869 that developed in the breach. 220 00:11:44,870 --> 00:11:46,971 A family would have owned slaves, 221 00:11:46,972 --> 00:11:49,307 they may have even lived in the same house. 222 00:11:49,308 --> 00:11:51,209 The slaves might have slept in the kitchen, 223 00:11:51,210 --> 00:11:53,044 or on the floor. 224 00:11:53,045 --> 00:11:55,346 So there was a degree of intimacy. 225 00:11:55,347 --> 00:11:58,283 You have people who, like people do, 226 00:11:58,284 --> 00:12:02,921 develop very close connections and friendships, 227 00:12:02,922 --> 00:12:07,125 even in this coercive environment of slavery. 228 00:12:07,126 --> 00:12:08,960 It's not surprising then 229 00:12:08,961 --> 00:12:14,065 if you have a situation where relative to other situations, 230 00:12:14,066 --> 00:12:18,870 you feel like, well, this is not that bad. 231 00:12:18,871 --> 00:12:21,206 Bill Traylor left little record of his childhood years 232 00:12:21,207 --> 00:12:22,741 when he was enslaved. 233 00:12:22,742 --> 00:12:26,411 We do know that in 1863, at age 10, 234 00:12:26,412 --> 00:12:28,146 Bill and the family moved 235 00:12:28,147 --> 00:12:30,081 to John's brother George Traylor's 236 00:12:30,082 --> 00:12:32,817 nearby "Benton Place" in Lowndes County, 237 00:12:32,818 --> 00:12:34,085 six miles away. 238 00:12:34,086 --> 00:12:35,787 Emancipation was proclaimed, 239 00:12:35,788 --> 00:12:39,290 but slaves were not free until 1865, 240 00:12:39,291 --> 00:12:42,060 when the South was finally defeated. 241 00:12:44,029 --> 00:12:47,432 It was, in fact, Union troops who brought the chaos of war 242 00:12:47,433 --> 00:12:50,101 into young Bill's life. 243 00:12:50,102 --> 00:12:52,437 In the final days of the Confederacy, 244 00:12:52,438 --> 00:12:54,973 Union General James H. Wilson staged 245 00:12:54,974 --> 00:12:57,876 the largest cavalry raid of the war, 246 00:12:57,877 --> 00:13:02,313 in a final push to break the South. 247 00:13:02,314 --> 00:13:05,150 Some of the stragglers came by the Traylor place. 248 00:13:05,151 --> 00:13:06,317 They walked through his house 249 00:13:06,318 --> 00:13:08,086 and took the meat from the smokehouse. 250 00:13:08,087 --> 00:13:11,556 They burned his cotton gin and 100 bales of cotton. 251 00:13:11,557 --> 00:13:13,158 As one story has it, 252 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:16,060 when the Yankees rode through the Benton plantation, 253 00:13:16,061 --> 00:13:19,164 Bill brought his slave owner's young son Marion with him 254 00:13:19,165 --> 00:13:21,866 when he hid out in the woods. 255 00:13:21,867 --> 00:13:23,268 The orders were to ride as quickly 256 00:13:23,269 --> 00:13:25,270 to shut down the munitions work at Selma, 257 00:13:25,271 --> 00:13:27,272 not to liberate the slaves. 258 00:13:27,273 --> 00:13:28,940 Despite efforts to dissuade them, 259 00:13:28,941 --> 00:13:32,010 Negroes still flocked after Wilson's horsemen. 260 00:13:32,011 --> 00:13:33,244 The Seventy-Second Indiana 261 00:13:33,245 --> 00:13:35,947 was trailed by a large group of "contrabands": 262 00:13:35,948 --> 00:13:39,317 There were Negro men, women, and children on horseback, 263 00:13:39,318 --> 00:13:41,386 ass-back, mule-back, cow-back; 264 00:13:41,387 --> 00:13:43,488 in carts, wagons, wheel barrows, 265 00:13:43,489 --> 00:13:45,323 and every other way you could think. 266 00:13:45,324 --> 00:13:47,192 They seemed to be perfectly happy, 267 00:13:47,193 --> 00:13:50,328 thinking no doubt that the year of jubilee had come. 268 00:13:50,329 --> 00:13:52,263 The soldiers tell us after the war 269 00:13:52,264 --> 00:13:53,965 that we get food, clothes, 270 00:13:53,966 --> 00:13:56,334 and wages from our masters 'fore we leave, 271 00:13:56,335 --> 00:14:00,538 but there was very, very few that ever got anything. 272 00:14:00,539 --> 00:14:05,076 Old master says he's not going to pay us anything. 273 00:14:05,077 --> 00:14:06,511 'Course his money was no good 274 00:14:06,512 --> 00:14:10,215 but he wasn't going to pay us it if it had been... 275 00:14:14,420 --> 00:14:18,623 Them was bad times, yeah, them was bad times. 276 00:14:18,624 --> 00:14:20,592 I know folks think the book tells the truth 277 00:14:20,593 --> 00:14:23,294 but they sure don't. 278 00:14:23,295 --> 00:14:26,931 Us niggers had to take it all. 279 00:14:26,932 --> 00:14:31,536 Then, after the war was over, we was afraid to move. 280 00:14:31,537 --> 00:14:36,241 Just like terrapins or turtles after emancipation. 281 00:14:36,242 --> 00:14:42,480 Just stick our heads out and see how the land lay. 282 00:14:42,481 --> 00:14:43,948 With the war over, 283 00:14:43,949 --> 00:14:46,951 young Bill and his family decided to stay put. 284 00:14:46,952 --> 00:14:48,486 They took the surname Traylor, 285 00:14:48,487 --> 00:14:50,021 rebuilt the damaged buildings, 286 00:14:50,022 --> 00:14:52,257 and continued farming the land. 287 00:14:52,258 --> 00:14:54,926 The family would stay together on the Traylor plantation 288 00:14:54,927 --> 00:14:57,896 for 40 more years. 289 00:14:57,897 --> 00:15:00,498 It probably seems highly unlikely to many folks, 290 00:15:00,499 --> 00:15:02,300 especially folks in the North, 291 00:15:02,301 --> 00:15:04,535 but the Black Traylors continued to maintain 292 00:15:04,536 --> 00:15:07,372 a relationship with the white Traylors, 293 00:15:07,373 --> 00:15:09,607 the family that had for so many years 294 00:15:09,608 --> 00:15:11,109 held them in bondage. 295 00:15:11,110 --> 00:15:12,543 For better or worse, 296 00:15:12,544 --> 00:15:15,113 the white Traylors had been the Black Traylors' white folks 297 00:15:15,114 --> 00:15:17,348 for almost 60 years. 298 00:15:17,349 --> 00:15:19,550 John Traylor left Bill's family 299 00:15:19,551 --> 00:15:22,487 in the custody of his brother George, 300 00:15:22,488 --> 00:15:26,257 who was mandated to free them after the war, 301 00:15:26,258 --> 00:15:29,460 which he did reluctantly. 302 00:15:29,461 --> 00:15:32,263 Post-Civil War, 303 00:15:32,264 --> 00:15:34,699 the blues emerges as a form of entertainment 304 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:36,334 on the plantations. 305 00:15:36,335 --> 00:15:40,138 Those troubadours are kind of moving in between stations, 306 00:15:40,139 --> 00:15:42,440 between plantations. 307 00:15:42,441 --> 00:15:46,377 Often people would make a reference to Yves Klein 308 00:15:46,378 --> 00:15:48,112 because I use a certain blue. 309 00:15:48,113 --> 00:15:50,548 And it was just a real rich blue, 310 00:15:50,549 --> 00:15:53,017 and I remember searching for the blue, 311 00:15:53,018 --> 00:15:55,386 but I picked up the blue through Bill Traylor, 312 00:15:55,387 --> 00:15:58,289 not through Yves Klein. 313 00:15:58,290 --> 00:16:01,192 And I just remember searching for this color 314 00:16:01,193 --> 00:16:02,360 and it was poster paint, 315 00:16:02,361 --> 00:16:04,228 it was children's poster paint. 316 00:16:04,229 --> 00:16:05,330 But that was one way, 317 00:16:05,331 --> 00:16:07,031 and it was a reference to Bill Traylor, 318 00:16:07,032 --> 00:16:10,201 but it's also a reference to blue 319 00:16:10,202 --> 00:16:12,637 used amongst the Yoruba. 320 00:16:12,638 --> 00:16:16,507 There's a blue that just say blue, blues. 321 00:16:16,508 --> 00:16:18,743 I'm gon' tell ya what the blues is really all about. 322 00:16:18,744 --> 00:16:20,745 You got to participate in the blues, 323 00:16:20,746 --> 00:16:22,380 sing the blues, 324 00:16:22,381 --> 00:16:23,614 dance the blues, 325 00:16:23,615 --> 00:16:24,983 play the blues, 326 00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:27,518 and this will keep the blues offa you. 327 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:31,255 So now, if you don't want to participate in the blues, 328 00:16:31,256 --> 00:16:33,558 then the blues gon' be on you, 329 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:37,128 so this will help get the blues offa you. 330 00:16:37,129 --> 00:16:38,696 'Cause if you ain't, you goin' around every day 331 00:16:38,697 --> 00:16:41,432 with the blues, sad, feelin' low, 332 00:16:41,433 --> 00:16:43,701 look like nothing goin' your way. 333 00:16:43,702 --> 00:16:46,404 But you start to howl you some blues, 334 00:16:46,405 --> 00:16:48,139 and man, you can feel them blues 335 00:16:48,140 --> 00:16:50,141 just gettin' in the wind, 336 00:16:50,142 --> 00:16:52,310 gettin' the blues offa you. 337 00:16:52,311 --> 00:16:55,279 So now, that's the way I get the blues offa me, 338 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:56,414 keep the blues off me. 339 00:16:56,415 --> 00:16:57,482 'Cause, man, if you don't, 340 00:16:57,483 --> 00:17:00,785 the blues can take you down. 341 00:17:00,786 --> 00:17:02,487 I mean, under. 342 00:17:02,488 --> 00:17:04,489 They can get on you so heavy. 343 00:17:04,490 --> 00:17:05,391 So you got to... 344 00:17:06,625 --> 00:17:10,361 Howl and whatnot, yeah. 345 00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:16,667 Through the all too brief Reconstruction period 346 00:17:16,668 --> 00:17:20,471 and the long, dark years of racist white terrorism, 347 00:17:20,472 --> 00:17:22,607 Traylor stayed put, 348 00:17:22,608 --> 00:17:24,142 worked the land, 349 00:17:24,143 --> 00:17:29,614 and, we assume, caroused whenever he had the chance. 350 00:17:29,615 --> 00:17:33,117 The transcendent surprise is that all the while, 351 00:17:33,118 --> 00:17:36,387 as he lived what seemed to be a very small life, 352 00:17:36,388 --> 00:17:39,290 he was doing something very big. 353 00:17:39,291 --> 00:17:41,759 He was living and seeing 354 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,495 and remembering a region and a people 355 00:17:44,496 --> 00:17:48,099 that America would largely ignore or forget. 356 00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:51,369 And he was nurturing a remarkable gift 357 00:17:51,370 --> 00:17:54,539 that would not be expressed for decades. 358 00:17:54,540 --> 00:17:57,442 A gift that would bring the forgotten world 359 00:17:57,443 --> 00:18:02,346 and its marginalized people back to vibrant, vivid life, 360 00:18:02,347 --> 00:18:06,451 but not always with imagery that is without mystery. 361 00:18:06,452 --> 00:18:09,353 I'm not thinking about after slavery. 362 00:18:09,354 --> 00:18:11,355 There's some other kind of movement that goes on, 363 00:18:11,356 --> 00:18:15,393 that happens, you know, often when we dream 364 00:18:15,394 --> 00:18:17,829 and things come in a very fragmented way. 365 00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:19,530 I think it's very typical. 366 00:18:19,531 --> 00:18:20,698 You can talk about any artists 367 00:18:20,699 --> 00:18:22,600 who are working in this combination 368 00:18:22,601 --> 00:18:25,336 of from memory and from life. 369 00:18:25,337 --> 00:18:27,605 I think the two were very closely knit for him. 370 00:18:27,606 --> 00:18:30,508 I don't think that he consciously is saying, 371 00:18:30,509 --> 00:18:33,211 "I'm going to channel what happened 372 00:18:33,212 --> 00:18:36,714 20, 30 years earlier on the farm." 373 00:18:36,715 --> 00:18:39,450 My sense is that the reason why these works are so exciting 374 00:18:39,451 --> 00:18:43,221 and so vital for us is that they erupt 375 00:18:43,222 --> 00:18:46,824 and they erupt with a kind of a passion and a verve, 376 00:18:46,825 --> 00:18:50,128 and an insistence on telling the story. 377 00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:54,298 Traylor had a real knack for going back and forth 378 00:18:54,299 --> 00:18:57,168 between the simple and the arcane. 379 00:18:57,169 --> 00:18:59,804 He depicted these scenes 380 00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:02,306 that are impossible to really unpack, 381 00:19:02,307 --> 00:19:03,608 tell what's going on. 382 00:19:03,609 --> 00:19:05,543 They could be dreams, they could be nightmares. 383 00:19:05,544 --> 00:19:07,545 Well, I mean, the iconography tells you 384 00:19:07,546 --> 00:19:09,914 he's the conjure man of the work. 385 00:19:09,915 --> 00:19:11,415 I mean, these are all a part 386 00:19:11,416 --> 00:19:14,785 of the Black Southern storytelling tradition 387 00:19:14,786 --> 00:19:16,687 and the Native American tradition 388 00:19:16,688 --> 00:19:19,857 that it kind of formed a syncretism with as well. 389 00:19:19,858 --> 00:19:21,526 The people who are involved in hoodoo 390 00:19:21,527 --> 00:19:24,729 are very much concerned with trying to provide 391 00:19:24,730 --> 00:19:29,400 means of protection and healing and fulfillment. 392 00:19:29,401 --> 00:19:32,904 I mean, I just understand it as part of Black expression, 393 00:19:32,905 --> 00:19:37,341 you know what I mean, and Black mysticism and spirituality. 394 00:19:37,342 --> 00:19:39,443 And anybody who's spent time 395 00:19:39,444 --> 00:19:42,413 with Robert Farris Thompson's work knows the connection 396 00:19:42,414 --> 00:19:45,483 between the way it was done in Africa for thousands of years 397 00:19:45,484 --> 00:19:47,785 and then the way it reasserted itself 398 00:19:47,786 --> 00:19:51,189 in the Americas in the 19th and 20th Century. 399 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:52,323 If we're talking about hoodoo, 400 00:19:52,324 --> 00:19:53,958 if we're talking about conjuration, 401 00:19:53,959 --> 00:19:55,826 we're talking about the realm of mystery. 402 00:19:55,827 --> 00:19:57,929 Hambone, hambone, where you been? 403 00:19:59,932 --> 00:20:02,567 Round the world and back again 404 00:20:02,568 --> 00:20:05,269 There are certain elements in the work, 405 00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:07,905 the use of animal spirits and plant spirits 406 00:20:07,906 --> 00:20:09,373 and there's hybrid people, 407 00:20:09,374 --> 00:20:11,442 there's were-people, 408 00:20:11,443 --> 00:20:15,479 but all these speak to someone operating intentionally 409 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,848 with the desire to render the fantastic. 410 00:20:17,849 --> 00:20:21,919 So he's giving us a whole enchanted magical realm. 411 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,323 The figures seem many times to be apparitions, 412 00:20:25,324 --> 00:20:27,258 you know, just in terms of the way they float 413 00:20:27,259 --> 00:20:29,260 on the surface of the work. 414 00:20:30,295 --> 00:20:31,963 If that wiggly snake gets smote 415 00:20:33,498 --> 00:20:35,633 There are times when people have these implements. 416 00:20:35,634 --> 00:20:37,768 We look at the picture of Chasing Ghosts 417 00:20:37,769 --> 00:20:39,670 and that figure seems to have an axe. 418 00:20:39,671 --> 00:20:42,340 Is that a ghost or is that a representation 419 00:20:42,341 --> 00:20:44,775 of the wife's lover? 420 00:20:46,411 --> 00:20:48,913 The mystery prevails throughout. 421 00:20:50,282 --> 00:20:51,849 Around the world and I'm going again 422 00:20:53,619 --> 00:20:54,685 Now ham 423 00:20:55,721 --> 00:20:56,754 Now ham 424 00:20:57,756 --> 00:20:58,889 Now ham 425 00:21:03,795 --> 00:21:06,664 One subject Bill Traylor drew more than once was, 426 00:21:06,665 --> 00:21:08,299 he told me, a construction 427 00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:10,968 they made by the river when he was young. 428 00:21:10,969 --> 00:21:13,638 They would run out on it and dive into the river, 429 00:21:13,639 --> 00:21:17,642 come out and take a drink, and return and dive in again. 430 00:21:18,744 --> 00:21:21,646 Close to the time when he's 18, 19, 431 00:21:21,647 --> 00:21:23,781 young fellow feel like he's a man. 432 00:21:23,782 --> 00:21:27,351 I know I was feelin' my man, gettin' up close to grown. 433 00:21:27,352 --> 00:21:31,055 Nature will teach you like it teaches a stallion 434 00:21:31,056 --> 00:21:34,392 to jump a fence; you ain't goin' to hold down. 435 00:21:34,393 --> 00:21:37,662 The thing for a boy to do when he gets old enough 436 00:21:37,663 --> 00:21:39,730 for his nature to teach him, 437 00:21:39,731 --> 00:21:42,366 don't make a dog of himself. 438 00:21:42,367 --> 00:21:44,835 Now, I was always a fellow 439 00:21:44,836 --> 00:21:47,538 that taken well among the girls. 440 00:21:47,539 --> 00:21:49,540 All I had to do was present myself. 441 00:21:49,541 --> 00:21:51,409 I was a popular young man. 442 00:21:51,410 --> 00:21:54,578 The girls would cut buttonholes over me. 443 00:21:54,579 --> 00:21:56,914 It was the easiest thing I ever done in my life, 444 00:21:56,915 --> 00:21:58,649 tamperin' with women. 445 00:22:01,820 --> 00:22:03,688 While most of Bill Traylor's relatives 446 00:22:03,689 --> 00:22:06,857 seized the opportunity to farm on their own, 447 00:22:06,858 --> 00:22:09,493 Bill, living at home with his mother, 448 00:22:09,494 --> 00:22:12,763 worked for day wages as a field hand. 449 00:22:12,764 --> 00:22:15,466 By 18 7 0, Bill and his younger brother, Emmitt, 450 00:22:15,467 --> 00:22:17,001 moved out of their mother's house 451 00:22:17,002 --> 00:22:19,103 and into their own place next door. 452 00:22:19,104 --> 00:22:20,705 And then, a year later, 453 00:22:20,706 --> 00:22:24,008 he married a neighbor, Elsey Dunklin. 454 00:22:24,009 --> 00:22:26,844 Years later, he was linked to another local girl, 455 00:22:26,845 --> 00:22:29,513 - Laura Williams. - Who ended up having a baby 456 00:22:29,514 --> 00:22:31,382 a few months after Elsey gave birth 457 00:22:31,383 --> 00:22:33,918 to their third child, Sally. 458 00:22:33,919 --> 00:22:36,387 Sally would change her name to Sarah. 459 00:22:36,388 --> 00:22:39,657 We don't know exactly what happened to Elsey, 460 00:22:39,658 --> 00:22:41,058 but we do know that Bill was left 461 00:22:41,059 --> 00:22:44,862 with their three small children Pauline, George, and Sarah, 462 00:22:44,863 --> 00:22:46,497 to raise on his own. 463 00:22:46,498 --> 00:22:47,732 Four children. 464 00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:52,403 Bill had also taken in Nellie as well. 465 00:22:52,404 --> 00:22:54,004 No wonder there's so much tumult 466 00:22:54,005 --> 00:22:56,807 in Bill's farm drawings. 467 00:23:18,463 --> 00:23:20,164 When I look at Traylor's work, 468 00:23:20,165 --> 00:23:24,034 I see this, like, freedom of expressing 469 00:23:24,035 --> 00:23:26,504 or seeing what's going on around him, 470 00:23:26,505 --> 00:23:29,073 but also being very lyrical about it. 471 00:23:39,117 --> 00:23:40,785 Well, when I see them, I see movement, 472 00:23:40,786 --> 00:23:43,421 I see... I see... 473 00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:45,656 I f... I feel... 474 00:23:45,657 --> 00:23:51,061 I feel jazz, I feel one with time 475 00:23:51,062 --> 00:23:56,734 and thinking about their past steps. 476 00:24:00,038 --> 00:24:01,672 It is the lack of symmetry 477 00:24:01,673 --> 00:24:03,174 that makes Negro dancing 478 00:24:03,175 --> 00:24:06,177 so difficult for white dancers to learn. 479 00:24:06,178 --> 00:24:08,979 The abrupt and unexpected changes, 480 00:24:08,980 --> 00:24:12,049 the frequent changes of key and time 481 00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:15,953 are evidences of this quality in music. 482 00:24:15,954 --> 00:24:17,721 The dancing of the justly famous 483 00:24:17,722 --> 00:24:19,590 Bojangles and Snake Hips 484 00:24:19,591 --> 00:24:21,826 are excellent examples. 485 00:24:21,827 --> 00:24:25,463 The presence of rhythm and lack of symmetry are paradoxical, 486 00:24:25,464 --> 00:24:26,964 but there they are. 487 00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:29,900 Both are present to a marked degree. 488 00:24:29,901 --> 00:24:31,769 There is always rhythm, 489 00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:34,505 but it is the rhythm of segment. 490 00:24:34,506 --> 00:24:36,941 Each unit has a rhythm of its own, 491 00:24:36,942 --> 00:24:38,542 but when the whole is assembled 492 00:24:38,543 --> 00:24:40,878 it is lacking in symmetry. 493 00:24:40,879 --> 00:24:42,546 But easily workable to a Negro 494 00:24:42,547 --> 00:24:44,081 who is accustomed to the break 495 00:24:44,082 --> 00:24:46,517 in going from one part to another, 496 00:24:46,518 --> 00:24:49,653 so that he adjusts himself to the new tempo. 497 00:24:52,958 --> 00:24:54,091 When I look at those figures 498 00:24:54,092 --> 00:24:57,161 of people feverishly dancing, 499 00:24:57,162 --> 00:25:00,197 the abstraction of form and movement there, 500 00:25:00,198 --> 00:25:03,634 and the fact that some characters are tippling back. 501 00:25:03,635 --> 00:25:06,537 That takes me right into the juke joints of the South. 502 00:25:06,538 --> 00:25:08,973 They're hearing it all, they're dancing to it all. 503 00:25:10,842 --> 00:25:16,046 There's this formal vitality that's kind of irresistible. 504 00:25:16,047 --> 00:25:18,782 There's a tremendous amount of body language in them 505 00:25:18,783 --> 00:25:20,251 and body motion, you know. 506 00:25:20,252 --> 00:25:21,819 You don't have little movement marks 507 00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:24,555 around Traylor's figures, but you feel them. 508 00:25:24,556 --> 00:25:25,856 I mean Friday, Saturday night 509 00:25:25,857 --> 00:25:27,992 were the most important days in the world 510 00:25:27,993 --> 00:25:30,227 for a sharecropper community. 511 00:25:30,228 --> 00:25:34,265 Let go, release, be yourself, be among friends. 512 00:25:34,266 --> 00:25:38,669 The music is essential to that experience, 513 00:25:38,670 --> 00:25:39,737 to that desire. 514 00:25:39,738 --> 00:25:43,073 It's inspired by conjuration culture, 515 00:25:43,074 --> 00:25:46,143 but so is Louis Armstrong. 516 00:25:52,684 --> 00:25:54,885 After a few years trying to raise 517 00:25:54,886 --> 00:25:58,689 a houseful of children on his own, Bill remarried. 518 00:25:58,690 --> 00:26:01,325 Not to his former lover, Laura Williams, 519 00:26:01,326 --> 00:26:03,627 but to another Dunklin girl, 520 00:26:03,628 --> 00:26:06,564 most probably Elsey's kin Laurine, 521 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,261 better known as Lorisa. 522 00:26:10,035 --> 00:26:13,237 If, as it's thought, Lorisa was Elsey's kin, 523 00:26:13,238 --> 00:26:16,073 she most likely knew all about Bill, 524 00:26:16,074 --> 00:26:17,875 who, despite that, it was clear 525 00:26:17,876 --> 00:26:20,611 he knew how to farm with the best of them 526 00:26:20,612 --> 00:26:24,682 and who stuck by his kids whatever the hardship. 527 00:26:24,683 --> 00:26:27,851 So, on August 23, 1891, 528 00:26:27,852 --> 00:26:30,287 during a lull in the planting season, 529 00:26:30,288 --> 00:26:34,124 Bill and Lorisa took a wagon 40 miles down and back 530 00:26:34,125 --> 00:26:35,693 to the Hayneville courthouse 531 00:26:35,694 --> 00:26:37,895 in the heart of what was once 532 00:26:37,896 --> 00:26:40,598 one of the nastiest places in Alabama, 533 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,159 Lowndes County, and got married. 534 00:26:46,671 --> 00:26:49,306 Things had always been bad around Hayneville, 535 00:26:49,307 --> 00:26:53,644 but in the last few years they'd gotten even worse. 536 00:26:53,645 --> 00:26:56,347 In March, 1888, there'd been a shootout 537 00:26:56,348 --> 00:26:59,116 between some white drunk named Gresham 538 00:26:59,117 --> 00:27:02,753 and a Black field hand, Theo Calloway. 539 00:27:02,754 --> 00:27:06,156 Now, Theo was one of the Sandy Ridge Calloways 540 00:27:06,157 --> 00:27:09,126 that might well have been kin to the Benton Calloways. 541 00:27:09,127 --> 00:27:13,364 Related or not, everyone in Lowndes knew the story. 542 00:27:13,365 --> 00:27:14,965 Most everyone in the country 543 00:27:14,966 --> 00:27:17,301 heard about how Theo was arrested 544 00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:20,838 and how the town sheriff accidentally let 200 545 00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:24,241 of Gresham's closest friends have the jailhouse keys. 546 00:27:27,312 --> 00:27:29,913 Theo Calloway was lynched. 547 00:27:29,914 --> 00:27:32,216 His body was used for target practice 548 00:27:32,217 --> 00:27:34,151 and left hanging for two days 549 00:27:34,152 --> 00:27:36,320 in front of the Hayneville Courthouse. 550 00:27:40,125 --> 00:27:42,426 His parents had to ask permission 551 00:27:42,427 --> 00:27:44,294 to cut down the body. 552 00:27:47,065 --> 00:27:51,101 Local Blacks fought back, troops were called out, 553 00:27:51,102 --> 00:27:53,070 and over the next ten years, 554 00:27:53,071 --> 00:27:57,908 Bloody Lowndes earned its nickname ten times over. 555 00:27:57,909 --> 00:28:00,711 Armed skirmishes and armed retaliation 556 00:28:00,712 --> 00:28:04,748 between Blacks and whites became a way of life, 557 00:28:04,749 --> 00:28:08,318 until Black church leaders called on Booker T. Washington 558 00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:09,987 to step in, 559 00:28:09,988 --> 00:28:14,425 saying that if God wasn't answering their prayers, 560 00:28:14,426 --> 00:28:16,226 maybe Mr. Washington would. 561 00:28:18,163 --> 00:28:19,830 And then the story took 562 00:28:19,831 --> 00:28:21,832 an unexpected turn for the better. 563 00:28:21,833 --> 00:28:23,967 Sometimes that happens. 564 00:28:23,968 --> 00:28:26,437 So Booker T. Washington travels to Lowndes 565 00:28:26,438 --> 00:28:28,972 and calls on N.J. Bell, 566 00:28:28,973 --> 00:28:30,941 the richest landlord in the area. 567 00:28:30,942 --> 00:28:33,243 And by the end of their little meeting, 568 00:28:33,244 --> 00:28:36,914 Bell had donated ten acres to the Black community 569 00:28:36,915 --> 00:28:39,183 to build their first school in Lowndes. 570 00:28:39,184 --> 00:28:42,419 It appears that not only was "the Wizard of Tuskegee" 571 00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:45,089 a persuasive force of righteousness, 572 00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:48,992 but Bell apparently so disliked his boorish neighbors, 573 00:28:48,993 --> 00:28:50,994 giving the land for a Black school 574 00:28:50,995 --> 00:28:52,763 was a great act of spite. 575 00:28:56,835 --> 00:28:58,168 Traylor has certain themes 576 00:28:58,169 --> 00:29:00,804 that come up time and again in his work. 577 00:29:00,805 --> 00:29:03,907 Certain themes such as the house, 578 00:29:03,908 --> 00:29:07,144 which we think probably refers back to the farm days 579 00:29:07,145 --> 00:29:09,046 since that wasn't the kind of structure 580 00:29:09,047 --> 00:29:11,381 that he was really living in in Montgomery. 581 00:29:11,382 --> 00:29:14,985 He also depicted animals very frequently. 582 00:29:14,986 --> 00:29:17,087 Snakes definitely turn up. 583 00:29:17,088 --> 00:29:18,388 Cats. 584 00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:19,823 Birds. 585 00:29:19,824 --> 00:29:20,824 Plants. 586 00:29:20,825 --> 00:29:25,229 Some kind of animal figure. 587 00:29:25,230 --> 00:29:27,898 Sometimes you could tell that he was experimenting 588 00:29:27,899 --> 00:29:30,200 maybe with an animal that he wasn't very familiar with 589 00:29:30,201 --> 00:29:32,236 and he only did it once or twice. 590 00:29:32,237 --> 00:29:34,805 Other times, 591 00:29:34,806 --> 00:29:37,141 particularly with the dogs, 592 00:29:37,142 --> 00:29:39,143 you can tell that he knew that animal. 593 00:29:39,144 --> 00:29:40,544 Well, sometimes they're attacking, 594 00:29:40,545 --> 00:29:43,013 sometimes they're witnessing. 595 00:29:43,014 --> 00:29:46,517 Sometimes they're in conflict with other animal spirits, 596 00:29:46,518 --> 00:29:48,452 they're both hunted and hunting. 597 00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:51,355 The silhouette, the shape, 598 00:29:51,356 --> 00:29:54,958 how he fills in the space, and then the space itself. 599 00:29:54,959 --> 00:29:56,960 He's staging scenes. 600 00:29:56,961 --> 00:29:58,262 He learned how to do that. 601 00:29:58,263 --> 00:29:59,897 And I think that he that also learned 602 00:29:59,898 --> 00:30:04,568 how to make those images speak on multiple fronts. 603 00:30:04,569 --> 00:30:07,304 Say one thing to a Black audience 604 00:30:07,305 --> 00:30:08,505 that might be seeing them. 605 00:30:08,506 --> 00:30:10,340 Say something different to a white audience 606 00:30:10,341 --> 00:30:13,277 that might be more critical of that message. 607 00:30:13,278 --> 00:30:15,279 These are things that you look at, 608 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,248 and you say, "yeah, that's a dog fight." 609 00:30:18,249 --> 00:30:21,084 Yes, there is something that we can recognize. 610 00:30:21,085 --> 00:30:22,519 But then there's this other thing, 611 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,222 something that really works inside of the head, 612 00:30:25,223 --> 00:30:27,491 and gets you to think about power, 613 00:30:27,492 --> 00:30:32,095 to think about tension, to think about energy itself. 614 00:30:32,096 --> 00:30:35,199 He's speaking to just the fear 615 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,102 that had been inculcated within the Black community. 616 00:30:39,103 --> 00:30:42,506 People didn't feel comfortable even letting white people know 617 00:30:42,507 --> 00:30:44,942 they even had a thought about anything. 618 00:30:44,943 --> 00:30:48,078 The meta-narratives of confrontation, 619 00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:49,246 of collision, 620 00:30:49,247 --> 00:30:50,948 of the racial dynamic that they are living 621 00:30:50,949 --> 00:30:52,482 and experiencing as they stand and look 622 00:30:52,483 --> 00:30:54,484 at this artist creating this work 623 00:30:54,485 --> 00:30:56,186 in front of white people. 624 00:30:56,187 --> 00:30:57,421 During his time, 625 00:30:57,422 --> 00:31:00,524 there must have been some horrific instances. 626 00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:05,128 Certainly, I know he saw and possibly experienced 627 00:31:05,129 --> 00:31:07,325 some... some pretty bad situations. 628 00:31:08,967 --> 00:31:12,302 I see pain in a different place in his work. 629 00:31:12,303 --> 00:31:13,937 I see past pain. 630 00:31:13,938 --> 00:31:15,038 I see... 631 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:17,007 I see it more like this is the pill... 632 00:31:17,008 --> 00:31:19,068 His work is the pill from the pain. 633 00:31:20,245 --> 00:31:24,281 That's how I see it. 634 00:31:26,150 --> 00:31:27,951 Things started to pull together 635 00:31:27,952 --> 00:31:30,487 after Bill and Lorisa got married. 636 00:31:30,488 --> 00:31:33,991 Lorisa adopted Bill's kids as her own. 637 00:31:33,992 --> 00:31:37,594 Bill moved up from working for wages as a simple farm laborer, 638 00:31:37,595 --> 00:31:40,898 to renting his own land from the white Traylors 639 00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:43,000 and farming it on his own. 640 00:31:43,001 --> 00:31:46,003 Now there are different kinds of tenant farming. 641 00:31:46,004 --> 00:31:49,273 If you didn't own your own horse or mule or tools, 642 00:31:49,274 --> 00:31:51,942 you could rent them on credit from the landlord, 643 00:31:51,943 --> 00:31:53,343 which often led to a debt 644 00:31:53,344 --> 00:31:56,146 and almost slave-like obligations. 645 00:31:56,147 --> 00:31:57,648 If, on the other hand, 646 00:31:57,649 --> 00:32:01,285 you didn't have to borrow the means of your livelihood, 647 00:32:01,286 --> 00:32:04,021 you could grow whatever you wanted on the land, 648 00:32:04,022 --> 00:32:06,356 and farm it pretty much as your own boss, 649 00:32:06,357 --> 00:32:08,358 if you knew what you were doing. 650 00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:10,961 And Bill knew what he was doing. 651 00:32:13,197 --> 00:32:14,564 While others were planting cash crops 652 00:32:14,565 --> 00:32:17,134 like cotton, Bill diversified. 653 00:32:17,135 --> 00:32:19,136 He used to say, "You could have that building 654 00:32:19,137 --> 00:32:22,472 over there full of money, but you couldn't eat it." 655 00:32:22,473 --> 00:32:25,175 Traylor raised foodstuff as well as cotton, 656 00:32:25,176 --> 00:32:27,344 and kept on raising animals of all kinds. 657 00:32:27,345 --> 00:32:29,012 You've got to get up, get out, go on 658 00:32:29,013 --> 00:32:31,415 So even though depression and hard times 659 00:32:31,416 --> 00:32:33,650 had hit most of Alabama, 660 00:32:33,651 --> 00:32:36,520 Bill kept the farm and his family above water, 661 00:32:36,521 --> 00:32:38,722 working hard and clearly drinking, 662 00:32:38,723 --> 00:32:41,558 which by his drawings looked like an endless source 663 00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:44,328 for celebration and despair. 664 00:32:44,329 --> 00:32:46,263 When you hear the tone, it will be exactly... 665 00:32:47,265 --> 00:32:48,598 Time to get a drink 666 00:32:50,568 --> 00:32:52,161 Just a little drink 667 00:32:54,238 --> 00:32:55,604 Any little drink 668 00:32:57,608 --> 00:32:59,270 Will do 669 00:33:01,179 --> 00:33:04,181 Bill said many times that drink ruined his life. 670 00:33:04,182 --> 00:33:05,549 Drinking will get you in trouble. 671 00:33:05,550 --> 00:33:07,484 Drinking will make you lose your wife. 672 00:33:07,485 --> 00:33:09,686 Drinking will send you to the penitentiary. 673 00:33:09,687 --> 00:33:13,223 He said what little sense he had whiskey took away. 674 00:33:13,224 --> 00:33:15,425 He knew drink from the inside. 675 00:33:15,426 --> 00:33:17,627 He once said he drew some people with duck lips, 676 00:33:17,628 --> 00:33:21,732 you know, to show the tingle you get from that first drink. 677 00:33:21,733 --> 00:33:24,201 But even at their most inebriated, 678 00:33:24,202 --> 00:33:26,536 his drinkers still move with grace 679 00:33:26,537 --> 00:33:29,773 and a certain dignity. 680 00:33:29,774 --> 00:33:32,642 Bill loved imperfection, anomalies, 681 00:33:32,643 --> 00:33:34,745 and making something remarkable 682 00:33:34,746 --> 00:33:37,647 from the abandoned, discarded, and flawed. 683 00:33:37,648 --> 00:33:42,419 I see these imageries as kind of a translated freedom, 684 00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:44,521 a way of being your own person, 685 00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:46,690 and whether that meant that you were free 686 00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:50,560 to do something important and powerful 687 00:33:50,561 --> 00:33:54,598 or you were free to mess up and not do the right thing, 688 00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:57,601 it was still a certain... Certain personal freedom 689 00:33:57,602 --> 00:33:59,436 that was important to have. 690 00:33:59,437 --> 00:34:01,338 Join us in a drink 691 00:34:03,107 --> 00:34:04,808 Or two 692 00:34:04,809 --> 00:34:06,610 Or three 693 00:34:06,611 --> 00:34:08,311 Or four 694 00:34:08,312 --> 00:34:09,613 Or more 695 00:34:13,251 --> 00:34:16,386 Traylor seemed to really prefer 696 00:34:16,387 --> 00:34:20,057 pieces of board that were found, that were worn. 697 00:34:20,058 --> 00:34:23,160 Discarded cardboard and boxes 698 00:34:23,161 --> 00:34:26,563 and backs of posters and castoff materials, 699 00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:30,100 whether they're industrial or from nature. 700 00:34:30,101 --> 00:34:33,303 Everything is used and it's completely parallel 701 00:34:33,304 --> 00:34:36,306 to the way he's using the cardboard. 702 00:34:36,307 --> 00:34:38,809 You know, he's getting everything he can out of that. 703 00:34:38,810 --> 00:34:41,378 Tears and stains and marks. 704 00:34:41,379 --> 00:34:42,846 They kind of carried with them 705 00:34:42,847 --> 00:34:45,115 the story of the road they had traveled. 706 00:34:45,116 --> 00:34:46,716 Probably the use of cardboard and stuff 707 00:34:46,717 --> 00:34:49,252 would be considered more conceptual today. 708 00:34:49,253 --> 00:34:51,555 We call it recycling and he's just... 709 00:34:53,324 --> 00:34:54,391 ...doing it. 710 00:34:54,392 --> 00:34:56,326 He liked drawing on dirty boxes, 711 00:34:56,327 --> 00:34:58,528 I think because the smudges cracks, stains, 712 00:34:58,529 --> 00:35:00,497 and the irregular shapes of his boards 713 00:35:00,498 --> 00:35:03,867 generated visual activity that he responded to. 714 00:35:03,868 --> 00:35:06,503 For example, he found a counter display card 715 00:35:06,504 --> 00:35:07,804 with staples in it 716 00:35:07,805 --> 00:35:10,474 where men's handkerchiefs had been attached. 717 00:35:10,475 --> 00:35:13,310 Another window display card had a thin slot in it 718 00:35:13,311 --> 00:35:16,580 and Bill drew a figure peeking into the slot. 719 00:35:16,581 --> 00:35:18,815 And in Brown House with Figures and Birds, 720 00:35:18,816 --> 00:35:20,283 the way the figures are pulled 721 00:35:20,284 --> 00:35:23,253 and tumbling back into the bulge at the left 722 00:35:23,254 --> 00:35:24,588 and the birds are sweeping up 723 00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:26,857 the right hurling edge of the board 724 00:35:26,858 --> 00:35:29,459 back into the center of the picture, 725 00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:31,595 one feels that had to be in response 726 00:35:31,596 --> 00:35:33,630 to the shape of a given space. 727 00:35:33,631 --> 00:35:36,466 With Traylor in particular, 728 00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:38,168 the mystery really is, 729 00:35:38,169 --> 00:35:41,338 just how did that come out so quickly, 730 00:35:41,339 --> 00:35:43,773 so clearly? 731 00:35:43,774 --> 00:35:46,776 And you feel like it was in him for years. 732 00:35:46,777 --> 00:35:49,446 He's 80, he's seen a lot in his life. 733 00:35:49,447 --> 00:35:51,314 But I really feel that these are works 734 00:35:51,315 --> 00:35:52,883 that have a kind of insistence. 735 00:35:52,884 --> 00:35:54,417 I think that's why we like them so much, 736 00:35:54,418 --> 00:35:56,520 that's why we're so moved by his work, 737 00:35:56,521 --> 00:35:59,456 is that they don't have this kind of desire 738 00:35:59,457 --> 00:36:02,626 to teach us a story, or a lesson. 739 00:36:02,627 --> 00:36:04,895 What we're confronted with is what we see. 740 00:36:04,896 --> 00:36:08,398 And there's such strength and such beauty 741 00:36:08,399 --> 00:36:12,602 and such poetry in what it is that we engage with. 742 00:36:12,603 --> 00:36:17,474 It's more powerful than being taught. 743 00:36:17,475 --> 00:36:24,181 I think the power lies in self... knowing self, 744 00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:27,784 not being taught self. 745 00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:35,725 Bill said to me the reason he left the plantation was, 746 00:36:35,726 --> 00:36:38,228 as he put it, "My white folks died 747 00:36:38,229 --> 00:36:40,497 and my children scattered." 748 00:36:40,498 --> 00:36:43,567 However congenial or genuine the relation between 749 00:36:43,568 --> 00:36:47,504 the Black Traylors and Marion might or might not have been, 750 00:36:47,505 --> 00:36:50,540 there was clearly a personal bond there. 751 00:36:50,541 --> 00:36:54,211 And when Marion, who was in charge, got sick, 752 00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:57,814 his son George Boyd Traylor took over. 753 00:36:57,815 --> 00:37:00,650 It's said that he was tough on the laborers. 754 00:37:00,651 --> 00:37:03,453 So, not just Bill and his family, 755 00:37:03,454 --> 00:37:05,956 but all the Black Traylors on the farm 756 00:37:05,957 --> 00:37:10,493 after three generations in one place up and left. 757 00:37:10,494 --> 00:37:13,330 Nothin' but peace in that... 758 00:37:13,331 --> 00:37:15,265 Bill wasn't just moving his family 759 00:37:15,266 --> 00:37:17,934 from one anonymous white-owned farm to another. 760 00:37:17,935 --> 00:37:21,504 Traylor was moving from land he knew intimately: 761 00:37:21,505 --> 00:37:22,906 land he was raised on, 762 00:37:22,907 --> 00:37:25,242 that he'd worked most of his life 763 00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:27,978 as his father had done before him. 764 00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:31,814 For the first time in his life, Bill Traylor was without a home. 765 00:37:34,619 --> 00:37:36,953 Traylor and his family eventually settled 766 00:37:36,954 --> 00:37:39,689 50 miles away where Bill rented land 767 00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:41,791 and continued farming. 768 00:37:41,792 --> 00:37:44,461 While there's no information about the quality 769 00:37:44,462 --> 00:37:47,430 of the new land or the terms of the new landlord, 770 00:37:47,431 --> 00:37:49,966 records make clear that the Traylor family 771 00:37:49,967 --> 00:37:51,635 kept growing. 772 00:37:51,636 --> 00:37:54,504 By the time the Traylors set up in Montgomery County, 773 00:37:54,505 --> 00:37:57,374 there were nine children living under the same roof. 774 00:37:57,375 --> 00:37:59,476 Four of them Bill had with Lorisa, 775 00:37:59,477 --> 00:38:01,678 one possibly with Laura Williams, 776 00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:04,547 and another four outside children 777 00:38:04,548 --> 00:38:06,850 Bill apparently had with other women. 778 00:38:06,851 --> 00:38:10,720 However many other women Bill had or hadn't had, 779 00:38:10,721 --> 00:38:13,523 by 1910, after 20 years, 780 00:38:13,524 --> 00:38:17,027 Laura Williams is listed as his common law wife. 781 00:38:17,028 --> 00:38:20,030 What became of Lorisa is unclear. 782 00:38:22,033 --> 00:38:23,733 Say, honey 783 00:38:23,734 --> 00:38:26,503 Where did you stay at last night? 784 00:38:26,504 --> 00:38:27,837 Where... where did I stay last night? 785 00:38:27,838 --> 00:38:28,938 You heard me 786 00:38:28,939 --> 00:38:31,508 Honey, you'd be surprised 787 00:38:31,509 --> 00:38:33,576 No, I won't be surprised 788 00:38:33,577 --> 00:38:34,844 You'd be surprised... 789 00:38:34,845 --> 00:38:37,647 When we look at the relationships he depicts 790 00:38:37,648 --> 00:38:41,418 between men and women, we have to be careful 791 00:38:41,419 --> 00:38:43,653 about putting a contemporary overlay 792 00:38:43,654 --> 00:38:47,757 on what was the reality of his time and place, 793 00:38:47,758 --> 00:38:51,861 which was very much about shifting family structures 794 00:38:51,862 --> 00:38:53,730 and making do. 795 00:38:53,731 --> 00:38:56,566 We've been married 'bout one year 796 00:38:56,567 --> 00:38:58,335 That's too durn long 797 00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:00,970 But it seemed like heavenly 798 00:39:00,971 --> 00:39:05,475 It's something that we can't really go back and understand, 799 00:39:05,476 --> 00:39:07,644 and have to give a lot of latitude 800 00:39:07,645 --> 00:39:13,516 to the reality that survival was day-to-day 801 00:39:13,517 --> 00:39:15,819 and it happened both on practical fronts 802 00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:17,020 and emotional ones. 803 00:39:19,724 --> 00:39:22,926 Traylor's subjects are very specific and local in a way. 804 00:39:22,927 --> 00:39:24,994 But part of their power is that they're... 805 00:39:24,995 --> 00:39:27,063 I find them completely universal. 806 00:39:27,064 --> 00:39:28,698 The ones that intrigue me the most 807 00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:30,100 are the arguments between couples, 808 00:39:30,101 --> 00:39:34,637 like you just see a couple standing on the street 809 00:39:34,638 --> 00:39:36,673 and he knows exactly what's going on 810 00:39:36,674 --> 00:39:38,734 and he can depict that. 811 00:39:41,445 --> 00:39:42,712 When they're fighting, 812 00:39:42,713 --> 00:39:44,581 everybody's pointing in a different direction, 813 00:39:44,582 --> 00:39:46,149 because they have their different opinions, 814 00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:48,852 and she's pointing that way and he's pointing that way. 815 00:39:48,853 --> 00:39:51,388 They are just like... They are not on the same page. 816 00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:54,591 We women can be anything that you men can be 817 00:39:54,592 --> 00:40:00,630 Yeah, but you'll never be the father of a family 818 00:40:00,631 --> 00:40:05,168 - Now, I'm a woman - Yes, and I'm a man 819 00:40:05,169 --> 00:40:10,005 - So you can't do that to me - So you can't do that to me 820 00:40:12,943 --> 00:40:16,813 Hey, hey, boll weevil 821 00:40:18,482 --> 00:40:20,617 By the time Traylor and his family 822 00:40:20,618 --> 00:40:23,453 started farming in Kendell, Montgomery County, 823 00:40:23,454 --> 00:40:27,690 the hard times that plagued the South got even worse. 824 00:40:27,691 --> 00:40:30,760 The boll weevil infestation decimates 825 00:40:30,761 --> 00:40:34,431 the cotton industry for several years. 826 00:40:34,432 --> 00:40:37,000 Then there are other places around the world 827 00:40:37,001 --> 00:40:38,802 that can pick up that slack. 828 00:40:38,803 --> 00:40:40,503 And so you see Black people 829 00:40:40,504 --> 00:40:42,005 leaving the rural area, 830 00:40:42,006 --> 00:40:45,875 not just because of rural violence and segregation, 831 00:40:45,876 --> 00:40:48,678 but also because of mechanization 832 00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:50,180 and lower demand 833 00:40:50,181 --> 00:40:52,949 and the lower prices relative to cotton. 834 00:40:55,152 --> 00:40:58,922 By the 1920s, the Traylors moved again in response 835 00:40:58,923 --> 00:41:02,826 to the worsening conditions, physical as well as economic. 836 00:41:02,827 --> 00:41:05,829 It seems the rheumatism that would eventually cost him 837 00:41:05,830 --> 00:41:08,164 his leg had laid him low. 838 00:41:08,165 --> 00:41:11,768 For the first time since the post-Civil War census began, 839 00:41:11,769 --> 00:41:14,637 Bill was no longer able to plow or plant 840 00:41:14,638 --> 00:41:19,242 and his occupation was now listed as "none." 841 00:41:19,243 --> 00:41:21,778 Laura was no longer working either, 842 00:41:21,779 --> 00:41:23,546 and their sons Willie and Clement 843 00:41:23,547 --> 00:41:26,783 appeared to be supporting them until they also quit the land, 844 00:41:26,784 --> 00:41:29,619 first joining their sister Nellie in Birmingham 845 00:41:29,620 --> 00:41:32,589 where young Willie, said to be Bill's favorite, 846 00:41:32,590 --> 00:41:35,758 married and started a family of his own. 847 00:41:35,759 --> 00:41:42,131 That is until 1928 when he was brutally shot down by police. 848 00:41:45,603 --> 00:41:48,671 My grandfather Bill Traylor went to Birmingham 849 00:41:48,672 --> 00:41:51,908 to identify the body. 850 00:41:51,909 --> 00:41:57,046 He felt unending sadness at the loss of Willie. 851 00:42:01,018 --> 00:42:02,785 Whether they knew it at the time, 852 00:42:02,786 --> 00:42:04,787 Bill Traylor and his family were enacting 853 00:42:04,788 --> 00:42:07,690 one of the central rituals of African American life 854 00:42:07,691 --> 00:42:09,526 in the early 20th century. 855 00:42:09,527 --> 00:42:12,729 Squeezed out and yet locked in by a Southern world 856 00:42:12,730 --> 00:42:15,298 that both reviled and needed them, 857 00:42:15,299 --> 00:42:18,268 Blacks were leaving the rural South for cities, 858 00:42:18,269 --> 00:42:22,005 mostly in the North, where jobs were more plentiful. 859 00:42:22,006 --> 00:42:24,641 By the time of Willie's death, 860 00:42:24,642 --> 00:42:27,176 all of Bill's children and Laura Williams 861 00:42:27,177 --> 00:42:29,145 had moved away. 862 00:42:29,146 --> 00:42:31,314 Alone, in his 70s, 863 00:42:31,315 --> 00:42:34,183 cut off from everything but memories, 864 00:42:34,184 --> 00:42:37,287 Bill Traylor headed to Montgomery 865 00:42:37,288 --> 00:42:39,722 sometime in 192 7-'28. 866 00:42:39,723 --> 00:42:42,158 Well, I done got old 867 00:42:44,028 --> 00:42:47,096 Well, I done got old 868 00:42:50,968 --> 00:42:55,104 I can't do the things I used to do 869 00:42:55,105 --> 00:42:57,631 'Cause I done got old 870 00:43:03,047 --> 00:43:05,715 When my grandfather lived for a time 871 00:43:05,716 --> 00:43:09,786 in a little shack on Bell Street in Montgomery, 872 00:43:09,787 --> 00:43:14,023 he worked as a shoemaker for a private family. 873 00:43:14,024 --> 00:43:17,260 He drew with charcoal and hung his works for sale 874 00:43:17,261 --> 00:43:21,130 on the fence around his shack. 875 00:43:21,131 --> 00:43:26,769 Us grandchildren would also bring him our shoes for repair. 876 00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:31,374 When he was done with that, we'd sit and watch the trains. 877 00:43:31,375 --> 00:43:33,943 And sometimes he'd draw me. 878 00:43:33,944 --> 00:43:36,679 And then because of the pain in his legs, 879 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,615 he couldn't work anymore. 880 00:43:38,616 --> 00:43:40,650 Unemployed and homeless, 881 00:43:40,651 --> 00:43:44,621 Bill had only one place to go: uptown. 882 00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:46,923 There he placed himself in what may have been 883 00:43:46,924 --> 00:43:49,926 the most central location in the city of Montgomery: 884 00:43:49,927 --> 00:43:51,060 Monroe Street. 885 00:43:51,061 --> 00:43:53,129 One of the things that people talk about 886 00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:56,666 when you go to New York City, it's a city that never sleeps. 887 00:43:56,667 --> 00:43:59,202 That's the way they talked about Monroe Street, 888 00:43:59,203 --> 00:44:01,771 that there were always people on Monroe Street. 889 00:44:01,772 --> 00:44:04,073 It was a hub for entertainment. 890 00:44:04,074 --> 00:44:07,143 The Pekin Theater, it was very prestigious. 891 00:44:07,144 --> 00:44:09,078 It offered Black people in Montgomery 892 00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:11,347 an experience to go to the theater. 893 00:44:11,348 --> 00:44:15,351 It has an orchestra pit, it's a really top-rate theater. 894 00:44:15,352 --> 00:44:17,086 And then, of course, the drug stores, 895 00:44:17,087 --> 00:44:18,955 which were really central. 896 00:44:18,956 --> 00:44:23,192 Dean's Drug Store was a communication hub also. 897 00:44:23,193 --> 00:44:25,161 Everybody knows where it is. 898 00:44:25,162 --> 00:44:28,297 People went to that drug store to find out what was happening. 899 00:44:28,298 --> 00:44:31,334 The types of materials that Bill Traylor would have found 900 00:44:31,335 --> 00:44:34,137 would have been consistent with Black businesses 901 00:44:34,138 --> 00:44:35,905 trying to reach the most people, 902 00:44:35,906 --> 00:44:38,307 and you could do that at these drug stores. 903 00:44:38,308 --> 00:44:42,278 The Black business class had a vested interest 904 00:44:42,279 --> 00:44:44,914 in working with, and being seen as working with, 905 00:44:44,915 --> 00:44:47,283 and being responsive to the Black community. 906 00:44:47,284 --> 00:44:51,788 So Traylor would have benefitted from that type of largesse. 907 00:44:51,789 --> 00:44:53,456 It seems like the whole neighborhood, 908 00:44:53,457 --> 00:44:56,359 Black merchants and white, took care of Bill. 909 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,295 The Jewish grocer next to where he sat gave him food; 910 00:44:59,296 --> 00:45:02,699 they fed him and let him wash up in the back of the store. 911 00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,268 The owner's son Nace used to bring him sandwiches 912 00:45:05,269 --> 00:45:07,870 when he'd be out there smoking his pipe and drawing 913 00:45:07,871 --> 00:45:09,405 late into the night. 914 00:45:09,406 --> 00:45:11,774 And many of the local merchants had this thing going 915 00:45:11,775 --> 00:45:13,443 where they'd put up indigents overnight 916 00:45:13,444 --> 00:45:15,278 in their businesses and shops. 917 00:45:15,279 --> 00:45:18,748 Bill slept in the coffin room of Ross Clayton Funeral Home 918 00:45:18,749 --> 00:45:20,917 for so long, that was where the government 919 00:45:20,918 --> 00:45:22,452 would send his relief checks. 920 00:45:22,453 --> 00:45:26,289 Fifteen dollars a month, I think it was. 921 00:45:26,290 --> 00:45:29,459 It seems like everyone in the neighborhood liked Bill. 922 00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:30,960 Not everyone. 923 00:45:30,961 --> 00:45:33,830 For over a generation now, American Blacks 924 00:45:33,831 --> 00:45:36,899 were trying to unite and define themselves as people, 925 00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:41,337 the key words being "define themselves." 926 00:45:41,338 --> 00:45:43,940 Urban Blacks, North and South, 927 00:45:43,941 --> 00:45:47,510 were on a crusade to get as far away as possible 928 00:45:47,511 --> 00:45:51,848 from the racist stereotype that Blacks, by definition, 929 00:45:51,849 --> 00:45:55,785 were shiftless, lazy, immoral and dirty, 930 00:45:55,786 --> 00:45:57,787 and here was Bill Traylor, 931 00:45:57,788 --> 00:46:00,890 sitting there as unapologetic as you please, 932 00:46:00,891 --> 00:46:02,358 representing everything 933 00:46:02,359 --> 00:46:05,194 the nascent Black middle class despised. 934 00:46:05,195 --> 00:46:08,131 You can see it in the faces of the women who saw him 935 00:46:08,132 --> 00:46:10,533 as they passed by. 936 00:46:10,534 --> 00:46:15,004 But sit there he did, reimagining iconic symbols 937 00:46:15,005 --> 00:46:17,774 of white power and cultural supremacy 938 00:46:17,775 --> 00:46:20,977 alive in the built environment of Montgomery. 939 00:46:20,978 --> 00:46:24,881 And what better monument to use over and again 940 00:46:24,882 --> 00:46:28,284 than Montgomery's Greek Revival Court Square Fountain, 941 00:46:28,285 --> 00:46:30,820 topped with a statue of Hebe, 942 00:46:30,821 --> 00:46:34,056 the cupbearer to the gods and goddesses of eternal youth, 943 00:46:34,057 --> 00:46:36,259 and festooned with classical cherubs 944 00:46:36,260 --> 00:46:38,294 and elegant regal birds. 945 00:47:27,244 --> 00:47:31,147 What makes Bill Traylor key for a lot of people 946 00:47:31,148 --> 00:47:34,050 is his moniker of "the primitive." 947 00:47:36,253 --> 00:47:37,620 During the Harlem Renaissance, 948 00:47:37,621 --> 00:47:39,956 we have academically trained artists 949 00:47:39,957 --> 00:47:44,227 who have gone to art schools and have studied in Paris. 950 00:47:44,228 --> 00:47:46,429 But the only way that their works 951 00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:49,498 can be embraced by the critics 952 00:47:49,499 --> 00:47:53,169 is that if the critics see something 953 00:47:53,170 --> 00:47:56,539 that comes from the soil, that is vernacular, 954 00:47:56,540 --> 00:47:57,640 that is primitive. 955 00:47:57,641 --> 00:48:00,042 And many artists play with this idea 956 00:48:00,043 --> 00:48:03,279 who recognize the power and the potential 957 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,183 of an aesthetic sensibility that is not from the academy, 958 00:48:07,184 --> 00:48:12,655 but comes from the blues, that comes from folk life. 959 00:48:12,656 --> 00:48:14,123 During that time, 960 00:48:14,124 --> 00:48:16,225 a group of like-minded friends and artists 961 00:48:16,226 --> 00:48:19,328 rented a meeting place and called it The New South. 962 00:48:19,329 --> 00:48:21,297 They were definitely taking a cue 963 00:48:21,298 --> 00:48:22,965 from the Harlem Renaissance, 964 00:48:22,966 --> 00:48:25,902 looking at African American art and culture 965 00:48:25,903 --> 00:48:30,006 as this really powerful thing that should be celebrated 966 00:48:30,007 --> 00:48:33,175 and looked at and was valid in its own right. 967 00:48:33,176 --> 00:48:35,645 It was a third-floor space in a downtown building 968 00:48:35,646 --> 00:48:37,346 consisting of a few rooms 969 00:48:37,347 --> 00:48:40,082 originally used for cotton sampling. 970 00:48:40,083 --> 00:48:43,352 I t was here that we hung Bill Traylor's first show. 971 00:48:43,353 --> 00:48:45,288 We showed maybe a hundred pieces, 972 00:48:45,289 --> 00:48:47,356 and on the cardboard cover of the catalogue, 973 00:48:47,357 --> 00:48:49,191 we used a silk-screen reproduction 974 00:48:49,192 --> 00:48:51,494 of Bill's drawing "The Sea Cow." 975 00:48:51,495 --> 00:48:53,629 The inside pages of brown wrapping paper 976 00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:57,099 contained a short essay and linoleum block-prints 977 00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:59,135 of two more Traylor drawings. 978 00:48:59,136 --> 00:49:02,305 I never felt Charles Shannon spoke for Bill Traylor. 979 00:49:02,306 --> 00:49:06,342 The only thing that I might say was speaking for Bill Traylor 980 00:49:06,343 --> 00:49:09,211 was the comment that they had put together 981 00:49:09,212 --> 00:49:10,713 the exhibition in The New South, 982 00:49:10,714 --> 00:49:12,682 and that Bill Traylor 983 00:49:12,683 --> 00:49:14,350 didn't recognize his own work 984 00:49:14,351 --> 00:49:15,584 being hung on the wall. 985 00:49:15,585 --> 00:49:17,453 I took it at the time as meaning 986 00:49:17,454 --> 00:49:20,389 now that it was formally presented, 987 00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:23,059 some of the life had been removed from the work, 988 00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:25,461 not that he didn't really recognize his own work. 989 00:49:25,462 --> 00:49:28,597 It came up and went down within the span of a month. 990 00:49:28,598 --> 00:49:32,034 But people took photographs 991 00:49:32,035 --> 00:49:33,736 and documented a lot of the works 992 00:49:33,737 --> 00:49:36,739 that were made within that first year 993 00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:38,441 that we know he was working. 994 00:49:38,442 --> 00:49:42,278 And so it provides a very valuable sort of lens 995 00:49:42,279 --> 00:49:45,614 into what he was doing at a very specific moment in time. 996 00:49:45,615 --> 00:49:47,416 A newspaper wrote a little something, 997 00:49:47,417 --> 00:49:50,586 but nobody bought anything and few people came. 998 00:49:50,587 --> 00:49:52,989 So I decided to travel to New York 999 00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:55,324 to see if I could find someone to take care 1000 00:49:55,325 --> 00:49:57,351 and protect Bill's work. 1001 00:50:00,464 --> 00:50:03,466 Before I left on my trip to New York in 1941, 1002 00:50:03,467 --> 00:50:06,402 we took up a collection so Bill could get off the street 1003 00:50:06,403 --> 00:50:08,771 and visit family. 1004 00:50:08,772 --> 00:50:11,340 He headed north to visit his daughter Easter 1005 00:50:11,341 --> 00:50:14,043 in the Black Bottom section of Detroit. 1006 00:50:14,044 --> 00:50:15,444 Eighty-six years old 1007 00:50:15,445 --> 00:50:18,047 and Bill Traylor had spent his whole life 1008 00:50:18,048 --> 00:50:21,117 in a 40-mile radius of Montgomery. 1009 00:50:21,118 --> 00:50:23,052 He was now joining the migration 1010 00:50:23,053 --> 00:50:26,389 that he had resisted for a lifetime. 1011 00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:29,358 I carried a large group of Traylor drawings to New York 1012 00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:31,594 to show to friends, one of whom directed me 1013 00:50:31,595 --> 00:50:33,796 to a man employed at the MoMA. 1014 00:50:33,797 --> 00:50:36,232 The man was interested in the work. 1015 00:50:36,233 --> 00:50:38,234 Later, Alfred Barr and his staff 1016 00:50:38,235 --> 00:50:39,602 were shown the drawings. 1017 00:50:39,603 --> 00:50:42,405 But the truth is, no one was seeing the genius 1018 00:50:42,406 --> 00:50:45,074 in Bill Traylor that I witnessed. 1019 00:50:45,075 --> 00:50:46,609 Without ever consulting me 1020 00:50:46,610 --> 00:50:49,478 as to whether or not I wanted to sell the work, 1021 00:50:49,479 --> 00:50:51,614 or if so, at what prices, 1022 00:50:51,615 --> 00:50:54,383 I simply received a check with a letter telling me 1023 00:50:54,384 --> 00:50:56,752 that Mr. Barr and staff had agreed to pay 1024 00:50:56,753 --> 00:50:59,321 $2 a piece for the larger drawings 1025 00:50:59,322 --> 00:51:01,791 and $1 for the smaller ones. 1026 00:51:01,792 --> 00:51:04,560 "Hope this meets your approval." 1027 00:51:04,561 --> 00:51:06,796 Taken aback, I returned the check 1028 00:51:06,797 --> 00:51:09,799 and demanded immediate return of my drawings. 1029 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,735 The work remained in storage till the mid-'70s. 1030 00:51:12,736 --> 00:51:15,771 I didn't get any sense that Shannon 1031 00:51:15,772 --> 00:51:18,674 was upset by the dollars, 1032 00:51:18,675 --> 00:51:22,244 it was that he had brought the work in for review, 1033 00:51:22,245 --> 00:51:25,581 and rather than getting a review, he was getting money. 1034 00:51:25,582 --> 00:51:27,249 When I got back to Montgomery, 1035 00:51:27,250 --> 00:51:29,552 I found that Bill had returned also. 1036 00:51:29,553 --> 00:51:31,420 I never thought I'd see him again, 1037 00:51:31,421 --> 00:51:34,290 but there he was in his usual spot. 1038 00:51:34,291 --> 00:51:36,092 Said he hated the trip. 1039 00:51:36,093 --> 00:51:41,197 The bus driver wouldn't stop to let him use the bathroom. 1040 00:51:41,198 --> 00:51:45,634 And then, the war came. 1041 00:51:45,635 --> 00:51:50,339 I was drafted in the summer of '42 and duty called. 1042 00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:52,675 Bill left Montgomery at the same time 1043 00:51:52,676 --> 00:51:54,743 and went north to visit family. 1044 00:51:54,744 --> 00:51:58,340 As he had before, Traylor soon returned to Montgomery. 1045 00:52:00,283 --> 00:52:02,451 And when Shannon went into the service, 1046 00:52:02,452 --> 00:52:05,616 his wife Blanche went to buy pictures from Traylor. 1047 00:52:07,891 --> 00:52:09,692 Meanwhile the war brought 1048 00:52:09,693 --> 00:52:11,894 the defense industry to Montgomery. 1049 00:52:11,895 --> 00:52:16,365 The face and skyline of the city changed. 1050 00:52:16,366 --> 00:52:18,601 Charles Shannon was back in New York, 1051 00:52:18,602 --> 00:52:20,703 where he spent the final years of the war 1052 00:52:20,704 --> 00:52:24,707 as a picture editor for the Army Information Division. 1053 00:52:24,708 --> 00:52:26,642 He returned to Montgomery for good. 1054 00:52:26,643 --> 00:52:31,380 And in 1946, after four years, Shannon sees Traylor again, 1055 00:52:31,381 --> 00:52:33,716 but they do not stay in touch. 1056 00:52:33,717 --> 00:52:36,252 Now back in Montgomery for good, 1057 00:52:36,253 --> 00:52:39,288 Traylor undergoes surgery a second time, 1058 00:52:39,289 --> 00:52:42,224 to amputate his left leg. 1059 00:52:42,225 --> 00:52:44,393 A lot of Black folk didn't leave. 1060 00:52:44,394 --> 00:52:46,395 A lot of Black folk stayed 1061 00:52:46,396 --> 00:52:48,564 in their communities, in the South. 1062 00:52:48,565 --> 00:52:51,267 Bill Traylor seems to be one of those people 1063 00:52:51,268 --> 00:52:55,538 for whom Montgomery and Alabama was kind of his place, 1064 00:52:55,539 --> 00:52:59,375 was his land, was his turf, you know. 1065 00:52:59,376 --> 00:53:01,477 During the war, the government discovered 1066 00:53:01,478 --> 00:53:03,746 that Bill had family to care for him 1067 00:53:03,747 --> 00:53:06,215 and they threatened to cut off his relief money 1068 00:53:06,216 --> 00:53:08,484 unless he got off the streets. 1069 00:53:08,485 --> 00:53:10,686 That's when Bill moved in with his daughter, 1070 00:53:10,687 --> 00:53:13,656 Sarah Traylor Howard, and her husband. 1071 00:53:13,657 --> 00:53:16,225 I knew Bill had relatives up north in Detroit 1072 00:53:16,226 --> 00:53:18,360 and other places, but he never mentioned 1073 00:53:18,361 --> 00:53:20,496 any family in Montgomery. 1074 00:53:20,497 --> 00:53:23,666 My name is Frank L. Harrison, Bill Traylor's great-grandson. 1075 00:53:23,667 --> 00:53:26,402 My name is Antoinette Staffney Beeks, 1076 00:53:26,403 --> 00:53:31,607 and I am the daughter of Myrtha Lee Traylor Delks, 1077 00:53:31,608 --> 00:53:35,244 and she is the granddaughter of Bill Traylor. 1078 00:53:35,245 --> 00:53:38,247 My name is Myrtha Delks. 1079 00:53:38,248 --> 00:53:40,683 My children call me Muhdear. 1080 00:53:40,684 --> 00:53:43,485 Willie Traylor was my father. 1081 00:53:43,486 --> 00:53:46,755 When I was born, my father didn't think I was his 1082 00:53:46,756 --> 00:53:49,892 and they gave me up for adoption. 1083 00:53:49,893 --> 00:53:51,760 It doesn't hurt, 1084 00:53:51,761 --> 00:53:54,253 but it's just something that happened. 1085 00:53:56,967 --> 00:53:59,635 I'm Nettie Jean Trayler-Alford. 1086 00:53:59,636 --> 00:54:02,504 I'm the great-granddaughter of Bill Traylor. 1087 00:54:02,505 --> 00:54:05,841 My father was the grandson of Bill Traylor. 1088 00:54:05,842 --> 00:54:08,344 Clement Traylor was my father. 1089 00:54:08,345 --> 00:54:10,446 Starlene Trayler Williams. 1090 00:54:10,447 --> 00:54:14,283 I am the great-granddaughter of Bill Traylor. 1091 00:54:14,284 --> 00:54:17,519 In Philadelphia, as a young boy, you know, being a boy, 1092 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,622 my grandmother would threaten me 1093 00:54:19,623 --> 00:54:22,758 with putting me in what she called the "owl closet." 1094 00:54:22,759 --> 00:54:25,661 In that closet was Bill Traylor's artwork. 1095 00:54:25,662 --> 00:54:28,330 They had it up on a top shelf. 1096 00:54:28,331 --> 00:54:32,268 I never saw an owl, a painting of an owl, 1097 00:54:32,269 --> 00:54:34,270 but I do remember a pig. 1098 00:54:34,271 --> 00:54:36,939 Eight years old, having to look up, 1099 00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:40,676 already in a frame of mind, 1100 00:54:40,677 --> 00:54:42,444 I don't really want to go in here. 1101 00:54:42,445 --> 00:54:44,747 So you know... 1102 00:54:44,748 --> 00:54:47,016 Well, I'm... 69. 1103 00:54:47,017 --> 00:54:49,485 But I was a young kid, but I remember, 1104 00:54:49,486 --> 00:54:51,654 a lot of times we were over there, 1105 00:54:51,655 --> 00:54:54,723 and I used to draw on the back of his pictures, 1106 00:54:54,724 --> 00:54:56,792 playing tic tac toe. 1107 00:54:56,793 --> 00:55:00,929 I didn't know that they were going to be famous paintings. 1108 00:55:00,930 --> 00:55:02,762 We thought it was scratch paper. 1109 00:55:05,035 --> 00:55:08,537 This is quite nice because you see his use of the brush here. 1110 00:55:08,538 --> 00:55:10,939 The purchasing of images by Blanche left Shannon 1111 00:55:10,940 --> 00:55:14,443 with a large collection of Bill Traylor's work. 1112 00:55:14,444 --> 00:55:16,745 I imagine... 1113 00:55:16,746 --> 00:55:20,649 In 1992, at a Traylor family reunion, 1114 00:55:20,650 --> 00:55:24,453 his relatives, many hearing about Bill for the first time, 1115 00:55:24,454 --> 00:55:26,650 showed an interest in owning some of the work. 1116 00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:43,572 This led to a lawsuit and eventually a settlement 1117 00:55:43,573 --> 00:55:46,509 was made to provide drawings to the family. 1118 00:56:14,571 --> 00:56:17,700 Bill Traylor: His Art, His Life. 1119 00:56:19,709 --> 00:56:22,845 When I was 1 7, I decided I was gonna go 1120 00:56:22,846 --> 00:56:25,839 and find my family in Montgomery. 1121 00:56:27,851 --> 00:56:32,087 I found out that my grandfather was still alive 1122 00:56:32,088 --> 00:56:35,424 and that was Bill Traylor. 1123 00:56:35,425 --> 00:56:39,728 I met him for the first time, he was wearing a hat. 1124 00:56:39,729 --> 00:56:42,030 He was sitting out there all day, 1125 00:56:42,031 --> 00:56:45,092 and he was in Aunt Sarah's backyard. 1126 00:56:47,036 --> 00:56:49,437 That's the way I met him. 1127 00:56:51,741 --> 00:56:54,410 My mother said that when she would go to Aunt Easter's house, 1128 00:56:54,411 --> 00:56:57,613 several of his drawings would be tacked on the wall with a nail. 1129 00:56:57,614 --> 00:57:00,416 And she said she asked her several times, 1130 00:57:00,417 --> 00:57:04,019 "What child drew these pictures? What kid?" 1131 00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:06,855 And she said Aunt Easter got very, very, very upset 1132 00:57:06,856 --> 00:57:09,825 with her and said, "Look, those are the pictures my daddy drew." 1133 00:57:09,826 --> 00:57:14,596 I was working for the IRS at the Detroit computing center. 1134 00:57:14,597 --> 00:57:18,500 And a co-worker brought a newspaper clipping in 1135 00:57:18,501 --> 00:57:20,002 and she asked me, "Well, Nettie," 1136 00:57:20,003 --> 00:57:21,637 by my last name being Trayler, 1137 00:57:21,638 --> 00:57:23,972 even though we spell ours with the "e" 1138 00:57:23,973 --> 00:57:26,108 as opposed to the "o," 1139 00:57:26,109 --> 00:57:27,876 "Are you any relation to this guy?" 1140 00:57:27,877 --> 00:57:29,545 So she made a photocopy 1141 00:57:29,546 --> 00:57:31,180 and gave it to me and I took it home. 1142 00:57:31,181 --> 00:57:33,015 Well, Uncle Bubba was living in the house 1143 00:57:33,016 --> 00:57:36,018 with my mother and my father and us, 1144 00:57:36,019 --> 00:57:37,186 and I asked him, I said, 1145 00:57:37,187 --> 00:57:39,521 "Uncle Bubba, do you know who this man is? 1146 00:57:39,522 --> 00:57:40,756 Everybody's asking about him." 1147 00:57:40,757 --> 00:57:42,991 He said, "Yeah, that was my daddy." 1148 00:57:42,992 --> 00:57:44,893 And that was all he said. 1149 00:57:48,932 --> 00:57:50,566 Bill didn't stay with Sarah long 1150 00:57:50,567 --> 00:57:53,669 before he headed up north a third and final time, 1151 00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:55,671 back to Easter's boarding house. 1152 00:57:55,672 --> 00:57:58,740 He visited children in Detroit, Chicago, 1153 00:57:58,741 --> 00:58:00,742 New York, Philadelphia, 1154 00:58:00,743 --> 00:58:03,645 and Washington D.C. during these years. 1155 00:58:03,646 --> 00:58:07,049 After losing a foot and then his leg to gangrene, 1156 00:58:07,050 --> 00:58:08,817 Traylor moved back to Montgomery 1157 00:58:08,818 --> 00:58:10,819 to live once again with his daughter, 1158 00:58:10,820 --> 00:58:12,988 Sarah Traylor Howard. 1159 00:58:12,989 --> 00:58:14,890 Soon after I came back from the war, 1160 00:58:14,891 --> 00:58:16,558 I went to visit him on Bragg Street 1161 00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:19,828 where I found him sitting under a big tree in the backyard. 1162 00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:21,597 He had drawing materials beside him 1163 00:58:21,598 --> 00:58:23,899 but nothing much was happening. 1164 00:58:23,900 --> 00:58:26,168 I remember when they took his leg off. 1165 00:58:26,169 --> 00:58:28,804 He cried every day. 1166 00:58:28,805 --> 00:58:30,606 When his leg was healed, 1167 00:58:30,607 --> 00:58:33,542 he went back to his drawing board. 1168 00:58:33,543 --> 00:58:37,012 He drew all kinds of animals and men and such. 1169 00:58:39,649 --> 00:58:41,583 I didn't save any of the work he did 1170 00:58:41,584 --> 00:58:44,152 after he returned from up north. 1171 00:58:44,153 --> 00:58:48,557 Clearly, Traylor's best work was behind him. 1172 00:58:48,558 --> 00:58:51,860 It's a shame, but so much of Bill Traylor's work is gone. 1173 00:58:51,861 --> 00:58:53,896 Even when folks saw his drawings and tried 1174 00:58:53,897 --> 00:58:57,132 to save them, even then, much of it was lost, 1175 00:58:57,133 --> 00:58:59,768 probably because of the fragility of the materials 1176 00:58:59,769 --> 00:59:02,004 Bill liked to work with. 1177 00:59:02,005 --> 00:59:04,139 Makes what we do have so precious, 1178 00:59:04,140 --> 00:59:07,809 especially as that old world dies away. 1179 00:59:07,810 --> 00:59:10,212 When we think about the many, many mules 1180 00:59:10,213 --> 00:59:12,180 and horses that Traylor drew, 1181 00:59:12,181 --> 00:59:15,083 I return time and time again thinking about one 1182 00:59:15,084 --> 00:59:17,986 where his remark about the picture was, 1183 00:59:17,987 --> 00:59:20,956 "Turned him out in the pasture to die." 1184 00:59:20,957 --> 00:59:24,326 I think it would be overly simplistic 1185 00:59:24,327 --> 00:59:28,196 to understand that simply as a mule 1186 00:59:28,197 --> 00:59:30,723 and not as a greater metaphor for something. 1187 00:59:32,335 --> 00:59:33,902 He is Chasing Ghosts. 1188 00:59:33,903 --> 00:59:36,138 He's trying to quantify that life 1189 00:59:36,139 --> 00:59:38,340 and give meaning to it and also look ahead 1190 00:59:38,341 --> 00:59:43,712 at what's coming and be celebratory of that, 1191 00:59:43,713 --> 00:59:46,114 and also understand that 1192 00:59:46,115 --> 00:59:47,777 he won't be a part of it. 1193 00:59:53,723 --> 00:59:56,658 It's because you are young. 1194 00:59:56,659 --> 00:59:59,227 You do not understand. 1195 00:59:59,228 --> 01:00:03,799 But we are old as the jungle trees 1196 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,368 that bloomed forever, 1197 01:00:06,369 --> 01:00:08,770 old as the forgotten rivers 1198 01:00:08,771 --> 01:00:11,673 that flowed into the earth. 1199 01:00:11,674 --> 01:00:16,211 Surely we know what you do not know; 1200 01:00:16,212 --> 01:00:18,647 Joy of living, 1201 01:00:18,648 --> 01:00:21,249 useless of things. 1202 01:00:21,250 --> 01:00:25,244 You are too young to understand yet. 1203 01:00:26,956 --> 01:00:31,093 Build another skyscraper touching the stars. 1204 01:00:31,094 --> 01:00:34,963 We sit with our backs against the tree 1205 01:00:34,964 --> 01:00:38,333 and watch skyscrapers tumble 1206 01:00:38,334 --> 01:00:42,204 and stars forget. 1207 01:00:42,205 --> 01:00:44,706 Solomon built a temple 1208 01:00:44,707 --> 01:00:46,375 and it must have fallen down. 1209 01:00:46,376 --> 01:00:49,277 It isn't here now. 1210 01:00:49,278 --> 01:00:53,882 We know some things, being old. 1211 01:00:53,883 --> 01:00:57,853 You do not understand. 1212 01:00:57,854 --> 01:01:01,023 I still have the letter he had someone write to me. 1213 01:01:01,024 --> 01:01:03,058 "Dear Sir, I am asking you to come" 1214 01:01:03,059 --> 01:01:04,893 to the Fraternal Hospital, 1215 01:01:04,894 --> 01:01:07,663 42 Dorsey Street, Montgomery. 1216 01:01:07,664 --> 01:01:09,431 I want to see you at once. 1217 01:01:09,432 --> 01:01:13,301 "Yours truly, Bill Traylor." 1218 01:01:13,302 --> 01:01:15,904 The place was a large two-story house 1219 01:01:15,905 --> 01:01:17,973 with a wide hall down the middle, 1220 01:01:17,974 --> 01:01:20,275 rooms off to each side. 1221 01:01:20,276 --> 01:01:23,378 I went down the hall and it was the last room on the left, 1222 01:01:23,379 --> 01:01:27,249 a very big room, like a ward with cots lined up. 1223 01:01:27,250 --> 01:01:30,852 There must have been a dozen other people in the room. 1224 01:01:30,853 --> 01:01:33,021 It was an awful place. 1225 01:01:33,022 --> 01:01:35,157 Bill could hardly talk. 1226 01:01:35,158 --> 01:01:37,025 I remember kneeling down beside him 1227 01:01:37,026 --> 01:01:39,761 and he could barely speak. 1228 01:01:39,762 --> 01:01:43,198 I can't even remember now what was said. 1229 01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,300 That was the last time I saw him. 1230 01:01:45,301 --> 01:01:47,836 A few days later I got a letter from Sarah 1231 01:01:47,837 --> 01:01:50,372 saying that Bill had died and would I please pay her 1232 01:01:50,373 --> 01:01:52,708 the $25 I was holding for Bill 1233 01:01:52,709 --> 01:01:55,977 from a drawing of his I sold to a man in Chicago. 1234 01:01:58,915 --> 01:02:00,449 But Bill hadn't died. 1235 01:02:00,450 --> 01:02:03,752 He lived on another two years. 1236 01:02:03,753 --> 01:02:06,054 He died at Oak Street Hospital. 1237 01:02:06,055 --> 01:02:08,156 He was buried in an unmarked grave 1238 01:02:08,157 --> 01:02:12,260 near where his daughter Sarah would eventually be buried. 1239 01:02:12,261 --> 01:02:15,997 In 1966, when Easter died in Detroit, 1240 01:02:15,998 --> 01:02:18,100 the family found a trove of drawings 1241 01:02:18,101 --> 01:02:19,835 Bill had done up there. 1242 01:02:19,836 --> 01:02:22,137 Sarah immediately went up 1243 01:02:22,138 --> 01:02:24,372 and brought all the work back with her. 1244 01:02:24,373 --> 01:02:27,109 When Sarah died in 1974, 1245 01:02:27,110 --> 01:02:29,211 no one claimed any of her possessions, 1246 01:02:29,212 --> 01:02:32,080 and the realtor threw all of her belongings, 1247 01:02:32,081 --> 01:02:34,416 including all of Traylor's work, 1248 01:02:34,417 --> 01:02:36,918 into the trash. 1249 01:02:36,919 --> 01:02:39,788 The only time that I can remember, 1250 01:02:39,789 --> 01:02:43,024 vividly, actually coming to Montgomery, 1251 01:02:43,025 --> 01:02:44,326 was for the burial 1252 01:02:44,327 --> 01:02:46,928 of my great-grandfather Bill Traylor. 1253 01:03:03,913 --> 01:03:09,785 I vaguely remember that the grave-site, 1254 01:03:09,786 --> 01:03:13,822 there were no graves behind me. 1255 01:03:13,823 --> 01:03:15,524 It would be like here, here, 1256 01:03:15,525 --> 01:03:19,087 it would have been on the edge. 1257 01:03:21,397 --> 01:03:24,094 Certainly there was nothing beside it. 1258 01:03:25,935 --> 01:03:29,538 My real remembrance 1259 01:03:29,539 --> 01:03:32,908 is physically standing at the grave-site 1260 01:03:32,909 --> 01:03:36,511 with my grandmother and other people. 1261 01:03:36,512 --> 01:03:38,879 And... 1262 01:03:42,385 --> 01:03:47,055 I would have been right in here. 1263 01:03:47,056 --> 01:03:50,458 Big Ma would have been about here. 1264 01:03:50,459 --> 01:03:52,994 And it was comical in a sense, 1265 01:03:52,995 --> 01:03:55,831 but very frightening, 1266 01:03:55,832 --> 01:03:59,030 because she lunged toward it. 1267 01:04:01,904 --> 01:04:03,038 Yeah. 1268 01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:04,206 She was very emotional. 1269 01:04:04,207 --> 01:04:05,540 Yeah. 1270 01:04:05,541 --> 01:04:08,210 Well, she just wanted to go with him. 1271 01:04:08,211 --> 01:04:09,845 She was very frightened. 1272 01:04:09,846 --> 01:04:14,616 And it frightened me because what she said is, 1273 01:04:14,617 --> 01:04:17,118 "Papa, I want to go." 1274 01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:18,353 And that scared me. 1275 01:04:18,354 --> 01:04:22,390 Long time ago, I remember standing here. 1276 01:04:24,460 --> 01:04:26,394 There's no question. 1277 01:04:30,533 --> 01:04:32,901 Wow. 1278 01:04:32,902 --> 01:04:35,337 After Bill Traylor passed, 1279 01:04:35,338 --> 01:04:38,640 and before my grandmother Lillian died, 1280 01:04:38,641 --> 01:04:40,876 it's something that she had just said, 1281 01:04:40,877 --> 01:04:44,079 "Buddy, you know this was your great-grandfather's. 1282 01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,480 Why don't you keep it?" 1283 01:04:45,481 --> 01:04:47,415 And I said, "Big Ma, what is this?" 1284 01:04:47,416 --> 01:04:49,451 And she said, "Well, it's a pipe holder." 1285 01:04:49,452 --> 01:04:50,952 And I said, "A pipe holder?" 1286 01:04:50,953 --> 01:04:54,222 I didn't smoke, you know, so I didn't realize. 1287 01:04:54,223 --> 01:04:56,558 I've had it for decades 1288 01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:59,628 and it's, you know, 1289 01:04:59,629 --> 01:05:02,664 the same patina is in there. 1290 01:05:02,665 --> 01:05:05,133 You know. 1291 01:05:05,134 --> 01:05:07,602 He's pretty cute. 1292 01:05:07,603 --> 01:05:10,672 I'd like to have his paint brushes, you know. 1293 01:05:10,673 --> 01:05:13,174 I'd like to have his boots. 1294 01:05:14,977 --> 01:05:18,079 You know, yeah, yeah. 1295 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,616 But this I'll keep in the family. 1296 01:05:21,617 --> 01:05:24,644 Yeah, yeah, this is great. 1297 01:05:26,656 --> 01:05:32,060 I don't mind waiting 1298 01:05:32,061 --> 01:05:38,233 I don't mind waiting 1299 01:05:38,234 --> 01:05:40,702 Bill Traylor came to art-making on his own 1300 01:05:40,703 --> 01:05:43,471 and he found his creative voice without guidance. 1301 01:05:43,472 --> 01:05:46,207 On you, Lord 1302 01:05:46,208 --> 01:05:51,046 His existence was divided almost equally between two centuries. 1303 01:05:51,047 --> 01:05:54,282 The family he was born into was enslaved, 1304 01:05:54,283 --> 01:05:57,519 and his life thereafter spanned multiple worlds: 1305 01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,221 Black and white, rural and urban, 1306 01:06:00,222 --> 01:06:02,524 old and new, as well as the crucibles 1307 01:06:02,525 --> 01:06:04,960 that indelibly shaped America. 1308 01:06:04,961 --> 01:06:07,028 The headstone that will now mark the place 1309 01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:08,730 in which his body was laid to rest, 1310 01:06:08,731 --> 01:06:10,231 is long overdue, 1311 01:06:10,232 --> 01:06:12,434 but from here forward, will honor him 1312 01:06:12,435 --> 01:06:15,236 as an important part of both Alabamian 1313 01:06:15,237 --> 01:06:17,038 and American history. 1314 01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:19,240 It is not an overstatement to say 1315 01:06:19,241 --> 01:06:21,977 that Bill Traylor was an American original 1316 01:06:21,978 --> 01:06:24,212 and that his body of artwork that he left behind 1317 01:06:24,213 --> 01:06:25,347 is an American treasure. 1318 01:06:25,348 --> 01:06:27,015 In honor of Bill Traylor, 1319 01:06:27,016 --> 01:06:29,617 and the gift he used to share invaluable insights 1320 01:06:29,618 --> 01:06:31,386 of his life experiences, 1321 01:06:31,387 --> 01:06:35,357 do hereby proclaim March 2 7, 2018 1322 01:06:35,358 --> 01:06:39,427 as Bill Traylor Day in Montgomery, Alabama. 1323 01:06:50,272 --> 01:06:55,110 How great is our God 1324 01:06:55,111 --> 01:07:00,749 Sing with me, how great is our God 1325 01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:03,218 All will see how great 1326 01:07:03,219 --> 01:07:04,619 What a momentous moment. 1327 01:07:04,620 --> 01:07:07,589 How great is our God 1328 01:07:07,590 --> 01:07:10,191 God's been good, 1329 01:07:10,192 --> 01:07:13,194 that those who once picked cotton 1330 01:07:13,195 --> 01:07:16,231 were able to pick a president. 1331 01:07:16,232 --> 01:07:20,635 What a befitting moment for us to be here today, 1332 01:07:20,636 --> 01:07:24,439 to celebrate one who's dead, 1333 01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,708 but yet to celebrate his works. 1334 01:07:26,709 --> 01:07:34,709 Let everybody sing 1335 01:07:35,484 --> 01:07:39,087 And so today, we see that the character of Mr. Traylor, 1336 01:07:39,088 --> 01:07:41,423 though dead so many, many years, 1337 01:07:41,424 --> 01:07:44,359 still lives on. 1338 01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,729 It reminds me of what Henry Longfellow said, 1339 01:07:47,730 --> 01:07:49,764 that when you live this life, 1340 01:07:49,765 --> 01:07:52,767 you, in fact, leave footprints 1341 01:07:52,768 --> 01:07:54,602 on the sand of time. 1342 01:07:54,603 --> 01:07:57,772 Mr. Traylor today has left a footprint. 1343 01:07:57,773 --> 01:08:01,743 I want to encourage all of us, because one day, 1344 01:08:01,744 --> 01:08:05,713 one day, it will be you. 1345 01:08:05,714 --> 01:08:08,809 What footprints will you have left? 1346 01:08:10,586 --> 01:08:14,856 This little light of mine 1347 01:08:14,857 --> 01:08:17,192 I'm gonna let it shine 1348 01:08:17,193 --> 01:08:20,528 This little light of mine 1349 01:08:20,529 --> 01:08:22,530 I'm gonna let it shine 1350 01:08:22,531 --> 01:08:25,767 This little light of mine 1351 01:08:25,768 --> 01:08:27,802 I'm gonna let it shine 1352 01:08:27,803 --> 01:08:30,705 Let it shine, let it shine 1353 01:08:30,706 --> 01:08:34,442 And all along, there was ol' John de Conquer, 1354 01:08:34,443 --> 01:08:38,146 fighting a mighty battle without outside showing force 1355 01:08:38,147 --> 01:08:40,715 and winning his war from within. 1356 01:08:40,716 --> 01:08:42,183 Really winning, 1357 01:08:42,184 --> 01:08:45,320 for he was winning with the soul of the Black man 1358 01:08:45,321 --> 01:08:47,455 whole and free. 1359 01:08:47,456 --> 01:08:50,725 Making a way out of no way. 1360 01:08:50,726 --> 01:08:53,361 Bill Traylor wasn't just a chronicler 1361 01:08:53,362 --> 01:08:55,697 of some distant time and place, 1362 01:08:55,698 --> 01:08:58,666 he was bearing witness to a community 1363 01:08:58,667 --> 01:09:01,436 in an ever-changing now. 1364 01:09:01,437 --> 01:09:05,206 And in doing so, teaching the future. 1365 01:09:05,207 --> 01:09:07,909 Persevere, rejoice, 1366 01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:10,879 endure, remember. 1367 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,548 He reached this moment when he knew 1368 01:09:13,549 --> 01:09:15,817 that he could put down his story. 1369 01:09:15,818 --> 01:09:17,719 So when you put it all together, 1370 01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:22,290 it is this very deep well of memories. 1371 01:09:22,291 --> 01:09:24,325 It's just a trove. 1372 01:09:24,326 --> 01:09:27,262 What is humanity but a story, a history, 1373 01:09:27,263 --> 01:09:30,298 about engagement or disengagement, 1374 01:09:30,299 --> 01:09:31,900 or collision. 1375 01:09:31,901 --> 01:09:34,602 And we get this from his work. 1376 01:09:34,603 --> 01:09:37,272 It doesn't get tired, it doesn't get old. 1377 01:09:37,273 --> 01:09:39,240 What I see is a very strong man. 1378 01:09:39,241 --> 01:09:43,244 Wow, very strong man, had to have been. 1379 01:09:43,245 --> 01:09:45,547 He's a major figure, 1380 01:09:45,548 --> 01:09:49,450 and there's nothing like him really. 1381 01:09:49,451 --> 01:09:51,586 He's getting his reward. 1382 01:09:51,587 --> 01:09:54,389 Now, now, now, now. 1383 01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:58,293 And I believe that he knows it. 1384 01:09:58,294 --> 01:10:01,229 He still says what he says, the way he says it. 1385 01:10:01,230 --> 01:10:05,292 He's like the person who walked in off the street and... 1386 01:10:07,703 --> 01:10:11,973 ...made a nod at you and walked away. 1387 01:10:11,974 --> 01:10:14,309 I'm gonna let it shine 1388 01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:21,808 Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine 1389 01:11:13,902 --> 01:11:16,371 Going downtown 1390 01:11:16,372 --> 01:11:17,872 I'll be drunk 1391 01:11:17,873 --> 01:11:20,708 Don't like it, you can move your trunk 1392 01:12:16,065 --> 01:12:18,933 Hey, hey, hey 1393 01:12:18,934 --> 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